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01:14:22 <Brot6> feed DevZone had 12 updates, showing the latest 10 01:14:22 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2711: (svn r2871) Refactoring of tabs rendering. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2711 (by jplang) 01:14:22 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2712: (svn r2872) Makes 'delete links' the same on admin views. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2712 (by jplang) 01:14:22 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2713: (svn r2873) Email handler: set a default issue subject if the email subj... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2713 (by jplang) 01:14:25 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2714: (svn r2874) Korean translation update (#3847). @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2714 (by jplang) 01:14:29 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2715: (svn r2875) Fixed: issue attachments are saved even if the issue has bee... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2715 (by jplang) 01:14:33 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2716: (svn r2876) Fixes Textile reference link (#3812). @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2716 (by jplang) 01:14:37 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2717: (svn r2877) Adds spent time to the activity view (#3809). @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2717 (by jplang) 01:14:43 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2718: (svn r2878) Slight change to the visibility SQL statement. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2718 (by jplang) 01:14:47 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2719: (svn r2879) Fixes group update form url (#3854). @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2719 (by jplang) 01:14:51 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2720: (svn r2880) Translation updates @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2720 (by winterheart) 01:33:38 <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 98M) 01:33:38 <Brot6> We just joined the civil hair patrol! 02:07:58 *** zachanim1 has quit IRC 06:24:08 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:24:12 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Doorslammer 06:24:59 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:25:14 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v ODM 08:27:24 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:27:36 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 09:47:54 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 10:23:19 *** ODM has quit IRC 11:10:01 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:10:02 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:10:06 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Doorslammer 11:10:11 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v DJNekkid 11:14:21 <DJNekkid> are there any known hotkeys for tram and road? 11:39:55 <Ammler> DJNekkid: http://wiki.openttd.org/Hotkeys 11:41:33 <DJNekkid> in other words, no :) 11:51:53 <Rubidium> hmm? what hotkeys would you expect for tram/road? 11:52:06 <DJNekkid> simliar to "a" ... 11:52:12 <DJNekkid> as in, autorail 11:52:38 <Rubidium> yeah, the a was already used for that 11:52:47 <Rubidium> even so, the a isn't needed to get autorail 11:53:02 <Rubidium> shift+f7, 5 does the same 11:53:17 <Rubidium> a is just a hotkey for a hotkey 11:53:31 <DJNekkid> hehe... 11:53:34 <DJNekkid> i see 11:53:41 <DJNekkid> point was, more or less ... 11:53:46 <DJNekkid> i use hotkeys alot ... 11:53:56 <DJNekkid> and i build lots of rail, road and tram 11:54:09 <DJNekkid> and for rail i just "a" them 11:54:21 <DJNekkid> but for road and tram i need to use the mouse... 11:54:29 <DJNekkid> or in my case, a "Lenovo-clit"... 11:54:49 <DJNekkid> you know, not the touchpad, but that little red "joystick" 11:54:53 <Rubidium> well, shift+f8, 3 11:54:56 <DJNekkid> (hate touchpads) :) 11:54:58 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 11:55:28 <DJNekkid> but that only gives me the "current" road-type (road or tram) 11:55:48 <Rubidium> so does a for rail 11:55:56 <DJNekkid> true ... 11:56:00 <DJNekkid> absolutely :) 11:56:16 <DJNekkid> so ... what about a hotkey to change "current type" ? 12:04:27 <Rubidium> good luck finding a nice hotkey that doesn't break when 'newroutes' gets implemented 12:04:41 <DJNekkid> hehe... 12:04:53 <DJNekkid> i am avare that the current keyboard is quite ... full :P 13:21:36 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 13:21:54 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:21:59 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Brot6 14:30:01 <DJNekkid> Rubidium: btw... what is newroutes? :) 14:58:22 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:58:28 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 15:05:40 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:55:49 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:56:04 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v ODM 16:18:01 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. 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(r538) 17:28:56 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:29:01 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 17:31:39 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest2326 17:31:51 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:32:03 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 17:38:03 *** Guest2326 has quit IRC 18:06:00 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 18:20:59 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:21:04 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Doorslammer 18:33:19 *** Audigex has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:33:24 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Audigex 18:34:11 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Revision 13: fixed typo, fix #570 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nmts/repository/revisions/13 (by DJNekkid) 18:34:11 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Revision 14: TR9-2 almost worked, but i fixed it :P (were one px... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nmts/repository/revisions/14 (by DJNekkid) 18:34:11 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #570 (Closed): Transrapid 09 stat typo @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/570#change-1398 (by DJNekkid) 18:36:34 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #569 (Closed): Transrapid 09 alignment @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/569#change-1399 (by DJNekkid) 18:44:58 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 104: Change: added graphics for loaded state to Large Coaster @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/104 (by andythenorth) 18:44:58 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 105: Change: (experimental) added a wake to one angle of the large coaster using ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/105 (by andythenorth) 18:44:58 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 106: Change: added bow / prop wash to Large Coaster, yay @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/106 (by andythenorth) 18:45:00 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 107: Change: graphics for loaded state and bow / propellor wash for Medium Coaster @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/107 (by andythenorth) 18:45:04 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 108: merge @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/108 (by andythenorth) 18:57:28 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Feature #566: Transrapid 08 - CODE @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/566#change-1400 (by lawton27) 18:59:26 <Audigex> in the devzone, is there much capacity for a discussion thread regarding each individual sprite? 18:59:30 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 109: Change: loaded state graphics and bow / prop wash for Small Coaster @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/109 (by andythenorth) 19:03:21 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:03:29 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Webster 19:07:01 *** Guest2331 has quit IRC 19:07:29 <planetmaker> Audigex: there can be, if it's sensible 19:07:31 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: British Rail Set - Wiki edit: Wiki (#1) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/47/wiki/Wiki?version=1 (by audigex) 19:07:47 <planetmaker> Though I'd make it for each vehicle 19:09:04 <Audigex> thats what i meant 19:09:17 <Audigex> im just trying to work out how it all works :-) 19:09:40 <Audigex> how would i create a model and group all it's sprites under it, with comments? 19:10:05 <planetmaker> a vehicle has usually at least 4 real sprites, often many more, and even many more again, pseudo sprites (e.g. just lines of nfo code) ;-) 19:10:31 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 111: Change: loaded state graphics and bow / propellor wash for Island Trader @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/111 (by andythenorth) 19:10:45 <planetmaker> Audigex: depends. I'd use one of DJN's templates for the sprites and then talk of the horizontal, vertical etc. views of it. 19:10:54 <planetmaker> or number them in the image... 19:11:00 <planetmaker> whatever feels easy :-) 19:11:09 <Audigex> djn's templates? anywhere I can see that in action? 19:12:19 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/111 <-- that's how e.g. an OpenGFX discussion looks like 19:12:34 <planetmaker> Audigex: look at the 2cc trainset. 19:12:46 <planetmaker> it has templates for rail vehicles, both MU and normal 19:12:51 <planetmaker> both for graphics and NFO 19:13:22 <planetmaker> the grf itself uses them in some places, though not consequently (yet) 19:13:33 <planetmaker> nmts is all template, I think 19:14:10 <Audigex> hmm 19:14:17 <Audigex> i was more meaning in the style of the brforum 19:14:23 <Audigex> where there's a thread for each class 19:14:34 <Audigex> and then comments and images are posted in there 19:14:46 <Ammler> nmts might be the example for template usage. 19:15:13 <Audigex> new monorail ...etc 19:15:14 <Audigex> ? 19:15:22 <planetmaker> new monorail train set 19:15:50 <Audigex> yeah 19:15:58 <Audigex> its still not what i mean though 19:16:02 <Audigex> unless i'm in the wrong place 19:16:10 <Audigex> the devzone looks great for code 19:16:21 <Audigex> i just cant see how it works as well for the sprites 19:16:32 <Audigex> especially for a group grf 19:16:38 <Audigex> where there's a lot of discussion about each model 19:17:01 <Ammler> one ticket per vehicle? 19:17:04 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/111 <-- so not like that? 19:17:35 <Audigex> hmm 19:17:38 <Audigex> that looks better :-) 19:17:39 <Ammler> maybe, you should talk with the was guy.s 19:17:49 <Audigex> i was looking in the files and repositories 19:18:08 <Audigex> when it's updated, can that include the image it's updated to in the post? 19:18:37 <planetmaker> forum and repo are not really linked in that respect 19:18:47 <planetmaker> it still needs submission to the repo 19:19:03 <Audigex> yeah 19:19:12 <Ammler> I would keep it that way, nothing wrong to have the repo independent 19:19:18 <Ammler> much better to fork it. 19:19:22 <Audigex> it just seems a lot more fiddly for the artists 19:19:55 <Ammler> well, else it is for the coder... 19:20:31 <Audigex> is there no way that each file can be updated, while keeping the previous versions and comments? 19:20:39 <Audigex> ie a forum thread, but keep a track of the most recent version? 19:20:41 <planetmaker> eh? 19:20:51 <Audigex> hmm 19:21:00 <Audigex> sorry, i'm probably not phrasing this too well, i'm tired 19:21:05 <planetmaker> I don't understand what you're asking? 19:21:11 <Audigex> right 19:21:13 <planetmaker> Nothing ever posted or submitted gets deleted 19:21:29 <Audigex> no, but it might not necessarily be in a nice easy-to-read order 19:21:33 <Audigex> by the looks of things 19:21:36 <Ammler> Audigex: you should look, how a vcs works 19:21:45 <Ammler> we mostly use mercurial on the devzone. 19:21:53 <planetmaker> I think there's a mix-up between vcs and forum 19:21:59 <planetmaker> both are two distinct things 19:22:07 <Audigex> yes, for code 19:22:11 <Audigex> but for the images 19:22:13 <Ammler> both 19:22:14 <planetmaker> also 19:22:30 <planetmaker> nfo + images = grf --> both in repo 19:22:55 <Audigex> it just doesnt seem as easy to post a sprite, then comment on it, then post a new version, then comment on it 19:23:02 <planetmaker> before something is added to a repo, it might be worth to discuss it in a forum thread w/o adding it actually. 19:23:10 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/changes/sprites/pcx/monolev-ba.pcx 19:23:37 <planetmaker> but ... I don't see the problem actually which you seem to see. 19:23:45 <Audigex> maybe i'm misunderstanding how it works 19:23:52 <Audigex> i just can't see anyone using it the way i mean 19:24:11 <Audigex> currently 19:24:37 <planetmaker> If you want to discuss different versions: best done somewhere where people can look at each easily, e.g. a discussion thread in a forum. 19:24:47 <planetmaker> Once that's decided, the decision is submitted to the repo 19:24:59 <planetmaker> it can, of course, always be changed 19:25:05 <Audigex> where are the images stored in the meantime? 19:25:10 <Audigex> can they be attached to the forum? 19:25:14 <Audigex> and does the forum have categories? 19:25:26 <planetmaker> Audigex: they are in the place I linked you? 19:25:47 <planetmaker> each "feature" can have its own discussion thread. Like what I linked. 19:25:52 <planetmaker> it's one thing only 19:25:58 <planetmaker> with many graphics attached 19:26:08 <planetmaker> all kept track of 19:26:15 <Audigex> so if i made a "class 390" thread 19:26:20 <Audigex> i could attach new versions of it etc? 19:26:23 <Audigex> non-deletable 19:26:32 <planetmaker> yes 19:26:47 <Audigex> and can the threads be in categories? 19:27:27 <Ammler> I wouldn't use the board for 19:27:32 <Ammler> I would use the tracker 19:27:37 <planetmaker> you could define categories. what do you mean with "categories"? 19:27:52 <Audigex> EMU/DMU/Steam/Diesel/Electric 19:27:53 <Ammler> then you link revisions to the tracker and so you have one nice group. 19:27:55 <Audigex> hang on 19:27:58 <planetmaker> please browse other projects here to get an impression 19:28:02 <Audigex> brforum.csuke.com 19:28:07 <Audigex> i just want that, on the devzoone 19:28:10 <Audigex> *devzone 19:28:13 <Audigex> if that makes sense 19:28:19 <planetmaker> well, does 19:28:20 <Audigex> basically a forum, but linked with the code 19:28:29 <Audigex> i've tried looking around 19:28:34 <Audigex> but i couldn't see anyone doing what i mean 19:28:38 <Audigex> thats why i asked :) 19:28:47 <Ammler> well, the devzone has a board too, you can use it 19:28:50 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/issues 19:29:47 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:29:51 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Frankr 19:29:53 <planetmaker> ^^ has categories 19:29:56 <planetmaker> freely definable 19:30:12 <Audigex> hmm 19:30:16 <Audigex> i'll have a play around 19:30:21 <Audigex> it's not my decision what we use anyway :-) 19:30:26 <planetmaker> :-) 19:30:32 <planetmaker> it would make sense 19:30:36 <Audigex> but i just can't quite get my head around this vcs 19:30:42 <planetmaker> but it's not required, of course :-) 19:30:42 <Audigex> it's always made sense for code 19:30:46 <Audigex> just not for images 19:30:54 <planetmaker> Audigex: images are code here, too 19:30:59 <Ammler> the VCS is one little part of the whole 19:31:19 <Audigex> well, this devzone then 19:31:21 <planetmaker> and the discussion threads here relating to a feature: they're independent of the vcs 19:31:21 <Audigex> :) 19:31:23 <planetmaker> completely 19:31:23 <Ammler> (maybe not little) 19:31:43 <Audigex> thats the thing, i want the discussion thread to be linked to the image 19:31:52 <Audigex> so that you dont have to talk about it, then submit it 19:32:09 <Audigex> it's probably just easier if i cock about with it 19:32:16 <planetmaker> Audigex: well, not linked to an image, but to a "feature", which would be "Train XYZ" 19:32:16 <Audigex> as soon as i find out how to join the br group :-) 19:32:50 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/102 <-- Associated revisions 19:33:21 <planetmaker> ^ indeed. Very good discussion thread :-) 19:35:15 <Ammler> [21:32] <Audigex> as soon as i find out how to join the br group  <-- register on the DevZone and ask the current managers to add you as member 19:35:24 <Audigex> i'm already registered :-) 19:35:37 <Audigex> but i dont think the managers are around much 19:35:53 <Ammler> well, maybe you like to take the lead? 19:36:03 <Ammler> then ask them to add you as Manager ;-) 19:36:07 <planetmaker> Audigex: then it basically needs one manager to add you there. If I have it on good word, we could add you there, too 19:36:14 <Audigex> aaaah 19:36:26 <Audigex> in that case, we're probably buggered anyway 19:36:31 <planetmaker> why? 19:36:34 <Audigex> because we're looking for an alternative to that very issue 19:36:42 <Audigex> having to register then wait to be activated on the forum 19:36:51 <Ammler> I thought, that IS the alternatve :-P 19:37:01 <DJNekkid> Audigex: is it just me, or are the BR-set to full of people that want to run it? 19:37:09 <Frankr> Lol 19:37:13 <Doorslammer> :/ 19:37:15 <Audigex> the brset is full of people who like to argue over inconsequential bollocks 19:37:16 <DJNekkid> and that have too strong opinions on most of the stuff there? 19:37:19 <Audigex> that too 19:37:24 <Frankr> I would suggest to add Audigex as a developer 19:37:30 <Audigex> i'm just drawing some sprites and trying to find a way to appease everyone :-) 19:37:33 <Frankr> i know he works for the BR set 19:37:44 <Frankr> and Beardie is rarely on recently 19:37:47 <Audigex> yeah 19:37:48 <planetmaker> hello Doorslammer 19:37:53 <Doorslammer> Evening 19:37:54 <Audigex> and doorslammer doesn't seem to have a clue what's going on with it :p 19:38:01 <Frankr> So he could be waiting a long time 19:38:01 <Audigex> he didnt even know he was a manager 19:38:03 <Ammler> well, developer means, he does push to the repo 19:38:03 <Doorslammer> Pfff 19:38:06 <Audigex> doorslammer 19:38:15 <Audigex> go add me on the brset on the devzone 19:38:16 <Frankr> Especially since the new leader Leanden seams to have done nothing 19:38:17 <Audigex> gogogogo 19:38:17 <Ammler> else contributor is fine. 19:38:24 <Audigex> leanden's heart is in the right place 19:38:29 <Doorslammer> He's right you know 19:38:30 <Audigex> he's got good intentions 19:38:34 <Doorslammer> I haven't a clue 19:38:40 <Audigex> i'm not sure about his competency 19:38:52 <Doorslammer> Oh, cheers 19:38:56 <Audigex> not you, fool 19:39:04 <Doorslammer> Oh, him 19:39:11 <Audigex> Audigex> leanden's heart is in the right place 19:39:11 <Frankr> lol 19:39:12 <Audigex> <Audigex> he's got good intentions 19:39:14 <Audigex> <Audigex> i'm not sure about his competency 19:39:28 <planetmaker> hehe 19:39:31 <Audigex> if i'm going to insult you, i'll at least have the sense to bitch about you behind your back :-) 19:39:41 <Frankr> neither Leanden or Beardie are on MSN 19:39:42 <Doorslammer> That's quite alright 19:39:57 <Audigex> beardie is pretty inactive 19:40:02 <Audigex> and leanden usually appears later 19:40:13 <Frankr> Beardie is inactive on his own set 19:40:17 <planetmaker> well... beardie is around from time to time 19:40:19 <Ammler> well, currently the project is quite empty. 19:40:22 <Frankr> I'm basically manager 19:40:37 <Audigex> the project is empty because we've not decided to move to it :) 19:40:41 <planetmaker> Frankr: the advantage of open source: anyone can continue :-) 19:40:45 <Frankr> I only came to help out here and there 19:40:46 <Audigex> thats why DS didn't know what was going on 19:40:50 <planetmaker> with a good concience. 19:40:53 <Frankr> lol, true planetmaker 19:40:56 <Audigex> but i want to move the set to somewhere more open 19:41:00 <Ammler> I meant, it doesn't matter, who is manager now. 19:41:06 <Audigex> at the moment, csuke goes away for a few days and we're stuck 19:41:19 <Audigex> because nobody else can activate members on the forum 19:41:34 <Doorslammer> Hence this morning's outburst 19:41:42 <Frankr> sure an active member on Csuke's site should be Admin 19:41:48 <planetmaker> Audigex: you could start it easy: try to create a "feature" for each train. Add the graphics there for it. 19:41:51 <Doorslammer> That, and Dave W calling everyone a cock again 19:41:54 <planetmaker> and the start is done. 19:42:05 <Audigex> planet - the problem being that people still have to be activated 19:42:08 <Ammler> well, we can add you as manager for now, so you can test the devzone. 19:42:14 <Audigex> ammler, please 19:42:15 <planetmaker> DaveW is foul-mouthed but not evil 19:42:31 <Doorslammer> Ambivalence on the evil? 19:42:36 <Audigex> dave is grouchy 19:42:40 <Audigex> as are you 19:42:44 <Doorslammer> Dave is drunk 19:42:46 <Audigex> nobody is innocent in this row 19:42:58 <planetmaker> hehe. 19:43:01 <Audigex> well 19:43:07 <Audigex> planetmaker is innocent 19:43:11 <Ammler> drunk? I was for sure at least one time too often :-P 19:43:12 <Audigex> nobody in the set is innocent 19:43:15 <planetmaker> :-D 19:43:21 <Doorslammer> Nope 19:43:22 <planetmaker> Then you don't know me yet, Audigex ;-) 19:43:27 <Frankr> lol 19:43:31 <Doorslammer> With the possible exception of karlneil 19:43:35 <Audigex> innocent of making ronstar fuck off and take all his sprites with him :-) 19:43:40 <Doorslammer> He escaped quietly 19:43:42 <planetmaker> but yes, I'm not involved in BRSet. 19:43:54 <Ammler> Audigex: you are manager now 19:43:54 <DJNekkid> the BR-set isnt a set yet! 19:43:59 <Audigex> i just want to make it GPL and somewhere everyone can access it easily :p 19:44:02 <Ammler> feel free to play with it. 19:44:03 <DJNekkid> its just a bunch of sprites :p 19:44:04 <Audigex> well, the BR-collection-of-sprites 19:44:05 <planetmaker> And I won't be beyond supplying devzone and my makefile system, if wanted :-) 19:44:06 <Audigex> thanks ammler :-) 19:44:24 <Audigex> i think there's a good chance though, that we'll use the devzone for code 19:44:31 <Audigex> and an alternate arrangement for sprites 19:44:33 <Audigex> sometime more basic 19:44:33 <planetmaker> Apropos GPL: DJNekkid please add a license to nmts 19:44:39 <Ammler> use settings to enable/disable modules 19:44:39 <planetmaker> and make it GPL2 or GPL3 19:44:42 <Audigex> until the set is complete, anyway 19:45:16 <Ammler> planetmaker: hehe 19:45:27 <planetmaker> Ammler: yes, or I have to withdraw my makefile ;-) 19:45:42 <Ammler> well, the project is GPL 19:45:43 <planetmaker> it'd be un-licensed otherwise. 19:46:13 <planetmaker> well. There are exceptions. Like BSD or so. 19:46:16 <planetmaker> I guess 19:46:54 <Ammler> planetmaker: btw. new projects should use GPL v3 19:47:07 <planetmaker> Well. I'd like to leave it to the authors. 19:47:19 <planetmaker> I don't care about the version 2+ 19:47:32 <Audigex> brb 19:47:37 <Audigex> tuna+cheese toasty required 19:47:40 <Ammler> I still don't get the "real" difference 19:47:40 <Audigex> :) 19:47:51 <Doorslammer> Don't ask me 19:47:56 <Ammler> I just know, you can't change a existing license anymore. 19:48:01 <Doorslammer> I'm the clueless one, remember? 19:48:01 <Audigex> gpl3 has something about tivo, if i recall 19:48:01 <Ammler> that is why openttd is v2 19:48:20 <Doorslammer> tivo? 19:48:22 <Audigex> well, not about tivo 19:48:27 <Audigex> but caused by an argument with tivo 19:48:35 <Ammler> afaik, something about comercial usage 19:48:41 <Ammler> not? 19:48:42 <planetmaker> Ammler: you can say GPL 2 or any later 19:48:42 <Audigex> something to do with their use of GPL'd code for commercial use in a way they didnt want 19:48:51 <Frankr> Ameecher stick his nose in again lol 19:48:55 <Doorslammer> lol, I would like to see tivos argue 19:49:10 <Audigex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization 19:49:11 <Webster> Title: Tivoization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 19:49:13 <Doorslammer> WE ARE TAPING SEINFELD! NO, AMERICAN CHOPPER! 19:50:20 <planetmaker> ? 19:51:52 <Doorslammer> I see 19:52:21 *** Audigex has quit IRC 19:52:21 <Doorslammer> But not really appropriate for here unless there were other software implementations? 19:52:57 *** Audigex has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:53:09 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Audigex 19:53:20 <Audigex> stupid wireless 19:53:45 * DJNekkid kicks Audigex's wireless 19:54:12 <DJNekkid> hope it helps 19:54:24 <Frankr> :) 19:54:29 <Audigex> tyty 19:54:31 <Doorslammer> Oh well, that's enough argument for tonight 19:54:37 <Doorslammer> Same time tomorrow? 19:54:41 <DJNekkid> lol 19:54:42 <Audigex> no, that's enough argument for the existence of the set 19:54:46 <Audigex> bloody well stop it 19:54:57 <Doorslammer> Charming 19:55:13 <Audigex> i am 19:55:25 <Audigex> more charming than most of the comments flying around the place, anyway 19:55:26 <DJNekkid> well, off to be lvl55 before bedtime :P 19:55:37 <Frankr> It usually isn't u 2 doin it is it? 19:55:41 <Ammler> DJNekkid: wow? 19:55:47 <DJNekkid> aye 19:55:51 <Ammler> you followed Purno? 19:55:53 <planetmaker> ok. Please don't mind, if I'm a bit inative the next 4 weeks. 19:55:57 <DJNekkid> nah 19:56:01 <planetmaker> I'm away on a business trip 19:56:02 <DJNekkid> i play with my wife 19:56:11 <Ammler> same char? 19:56:13 <DJNekkid> am i allowed to say that pubicly? 19:56:13 <planetmaker> and might only show up infrequently 19:56:18 <Frankr> lol 19:56:20 <DJNekkid> im playing with my wife :p 19:56:25 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: ... :-) 19:56:28 <DJNekkid> nah, im a warrior, ashes a priest 19:56:29 <Ammler> wäh 19:56:30 <Audigex> openttd is gplv2 right 19:56:36 <Doorslammer> Double entendres for the win 19:57:59 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 19:58:25 <Audigex> ? 19:59:17 <DJNekkid> a month long buisniss trip? 19:59:23 <DJNekkid> sounds like a grease-trip :) 19:59:27 <DJNekkid> if thats an english term 20:09:37 <planetmaker> not really. Measurment campaign 20:09:51 <planetmaker> two weeks integration, two weeks experiments 20:12:40 <Mark> what will you be measuring then? :P 20:16:15 <Ammler> andythenorth: possible to upload the last firs to bananas? 20:16:39 <Ammler> (r217) 20:16:43 <andythenorth> Ammler: probably 20:16:47 <andythenorth> is there a version on there already? 20:17:04 <Ammler> no, don't think so. 20:17:15 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:17:17 <Ammler> just set min version to nightly 20:17:20 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Doorslammer 20:17:32 <Ammler> so it won't be downloaded from ususal people ;-) 20:18:30 <Ammler> afaik, run make tar for the banans pack. 20:19:02 <andythenorth> think my Bananas password is on the devzone somewhere... 20:19:21 <Ammler> did you forgot? 20:19:22 <andythenorth> feel free to do it if you want - I never get around to maintaining bananas 20:19:41 <Ammler> well, I would upload it with openttdcoop account 20:19:44 <andythenorth> (I know the password, I'm just lazy / doing boats) 20:20:00 <Ammler> we shouldn't share our private accounts 20:20:56 <andythenorth> well as long as we/someone can maintain it in future....I would prefer not to be responsible for Bananas 20:21:01 <andythenorth> that goes for all my sets in fact 20:21:07 <andythenorth> it's just one extra hassle 20:22:14 <planetmaker> Mark: videos of micro-particles moving in weightlessness under the influence of light and their collisional behaviour onto bigger targets. 20:22:19 <planetmaker> sound gay enough? 20:22:42 <planetmaker> anyway. Good night for now. Gotta start early tomorrow. 20:22:55 <Mark> no idea what that means 20:23:05 <Mark> sounds interesting though :P 20:23:06 <Mark> enjoy 20:23:11 <planetmaker> watch at 250 fpm small particles move 20:23:25 <planetmaker> *fps. frames per second 20:23:58 <Ammler> planetmaker: is it right? 20:24:04 <Ammler> make tar for bananas pack? 20:24:17 <planetmaker> should work, yes 20:24:27 <planetmaker> make bananas will work, though, too 20:24:39 <planetmaker> I only made it synonym to tar. 20:24:42 <planetmaker> tar is thus better 20:25:16 <planetmaker> andythenorth: then, if you want an account per set, make a separate one for each set. Then you can share it. 20:25:33 <Ammler> marcel@inspiron:~/hg/firs> make tar 20:25:35 <Ammler> make: *** No rule to make target `tar'. Stop. 20:25:47 <planetmaker> hm 20:25:59 <planetmaker> what does make bananas do? 20:26:18 <Ammler> worked 20:26:31 <Ammler> bananas.tar 20:26:35 <planetmaker> hm. 20:26:44 <planetmaker> please make a bug report 20:30:52 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 20:31:45 <Ammler> planetmaker: for? 20:31:54 <Ammler> Mark: firs is uploaded 20:31:59 <Ammler> (to bananas) 20:33:38 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:33:43 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 20:34:22 <planetmaker> Ammler: for tar not working as intended :-) Or does it match documentation? I don't properly recall... 20:34:23 <Frankr> Any1 here use GIMP 20:34:37 <Frankr> ? 20:34:42 <Ammler> anyONE! 20:34:51 <Frankr> sorry 20:34:55 <Ammler> 2 letters more shouldn't hurt :P 20:34:59 <Frankr> Anyone here use GIMP 20:35:01 <Frankr> ?? 20:35:02 <Audigex> 3 more letters, one less numeral ;-) 20:35:03 <Ammler> :-) 20:35:39 <Ammler> Frankr: I do, but I am not a good artists 20:35:44 <planetmaker> Frankr: it's a clear case of "ask your real question". Not useless meta-questions 20:35:50 <Ammler> indeed. 20:35:51 <Frankr> ok 20:35:56 <DJNekkid> i use i.mage :) 20:36:07 <Frankr> Well i want to know if you create co-ordinates 20:36:12 <Ammler> gimp is good for start 20:36:16 <Frankr> if so how do you with GIMP 20:36:27 <Frankr> any quick tool 20:37:02 <Ammler> don't work with coordinates, but I use the helping lines 20:37:08 <planetmaker> ^^^ 20:37:49 <Frankr> ok thanks 20:38:03 <Frankr> Just i use Paint SHop Pro 20:40:47 <Audigex> what do you use coordinates for? 20:40:54 <Frankr> graphics 20:41:02 <Frankr> implementing graphics in game 20:42:23 <Frankr> You use the co-ordinates of a pcx for the graphic of the train at certain points in game 20:43:11 <planetmaker> use the grid-lines for rough alignement and zoom in for detailed one 20:43:17 <Ammler> don't your drawers use the same template for every plane? 20:43:21 <planetmaker> ctrl+ and ctrl- zoom in and out 20:43:31 <Frankr> Yh 20:43:48 <Frankr> But we have different planes and Alex doesn't even use GIMP anyway 20:44:01 <Frankr> He uses bloody Paint 20:44:14 <planetmaker> Frankr: use a template to accomodate the biggest plane. Have artists use that 20:44:32 <planetmaker> or make three templates for small, mid, large air planes. 20:44:49 <Frankr> Alex is creating Co-ordinates by hand 20:46:20 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:46:27 <Frankr> Uing paint but they keep on being incorrect obviously 20:46:33 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 20:47:03 <andythenorth> goodnight 20:47:46 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 21:22:17 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:35:25 <Ammler> planetmaker: gone? 21:35:51 <Ammler> possible make bundle_zip does create another grf than make bananas? 22:25:17 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 22:25:57 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:26:09 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 22:27:07 <Frankr> cya 22:27:09 *** Frankr has quit IRC 22:33:19 *** DJ_Nekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:33:24 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v DJ_Nekkid 22:38:03 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 22:55:10 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 23:42:21 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC