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01:11:32  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2731: (svn r2891) Makes tickets and timelogs filters collapsible (UI). @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2731 (by jplang)
01:11:32  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2732: (svn r2892) Makes saved query filters visible (#2883). @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2732 (by jplang)
01:11:32  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2733: (svn r2893) Makes timelog report work at issue level (#2935). @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2733 (by jplang)
01:11:34  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2734: (svn r2894) Fixed: Custom values with a nil value cause error on (projec... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2734 (by jplang)
01:11:38  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2735: (svn r2895) Adds missing native eol properties. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2735 (by jplang)
01:11:42  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2736: (svn r2896) Unexpected closing tag removed. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2736 (by jplang)
01:11:45  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2737: (svn r2897) Set mime-type property (#3885). @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2737 (by jplang)
01:11:48  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2738: (svn r2898) Fixed: RepositoriesController#revision may show wrong revisi... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2738 (by jplang)
01:33:37  <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 99M)
01:33:37  <Brot6> Is it NOUVELLE CUISINE when 3 olives are struggling with a scallop in a plate of SAUCE MORNAY?
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11:14:17  <Ammler> planetmaker: am I right?
11:14:50  <Ammler> opengfx alpha6 does have dos txt files, but trunk doesn't?
11:15:41  <Ammler> and the makefile does convert those to dos while building?
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11:28:52  <planetmaker> I'm not sure about the last statement yet. But the first two are right afaik
11:28:54  <planetmaker> ^ Ammler
11:28:57  <planetmaker> I cannot remember to have implemented a lin2dos conversion :-)
11:29:54  <Ammler> you might have seen, the Fedora packer was in #openttdcoop
11:30:34  <planetmaker> I missed that
11:31:05  <Ammler> imo, the source package should be unix format
11:31:18  <Ammler> but the binary bundles should be windows
11:31:31  <planetmaker> yeah. I think we had that discussion and that was the outcome
11:31:47  <Ammler> but that isn't implemented yet?
11:31:54  <planetmaker> though it might have been that we agreed that any reasonable win text editor can handle lin line endings
11:32:04  <Ammler> no
11:32:21  <Ammler> reasonable win editor is notepad which can't
11:32:49  <Ammler> I guess, we more agreed that windows people don't read readmes anyway.
11:33:01  <planetmaker> ah, yes.
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11:33:05  <Ammler> :-)
11:33:07  <planetmaker> I guess that's why no action was taken
11:35:26  <planetmaker> but we changed to lin style line endings.
11:35:34  <planetmaker> I remember that... endeavour
11:42:03  <Ammler> hmm, that would have been worth a new release :-P
11:43:29  <Ammler> also talked with him, about building opengfx from scratch or using the binaries, as they are the same everywhere.
11:43:49  <Ammler> they have a policy in Fedora, so everything needs to be build from source.
11:54:05  <planetmaker> hehe
11:54:54  <Ammler> oh, and there is no Recommends
11:54:56  <planetmaker> well, I don't care how they do it.
11:55:01  <Ammler> (in fedora at least)
11:55:13  <planetmaker> what does "recommends" mean?
11:55:18  <planetmaker> in that context?
11:55:32  <Ammler> you install openttd and it recommends to install opengfx.
11:55:43  <planetmaker> ah. Well.
11:55:47  <planetmaker> without it's pointless
11:55:59  <Ammler> he does make it the other way
11:56:04  <planetmaker> it should be a (mutual) dependency
11:56:16  <Ammler> you install openttd-opengfx and that requires openttd
11:56:34  <planetmaker> right. And the other way around, I'd say, makes sense, too
11:57:11  <Ammler> well, I wouldn't like to make it a dependency as long as it isn't finished.
11:57:19  <Ammler> specially because of the sound.
11:57:35  <Ammler> (don't care about toyland)
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11:57:50  <Ammler> well, I do care about it, just not in that matter :-P
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11:58:04  <Beardie> ignore that lol
11:58:07  <Ammler> Beardie: /
11:58:10  <Beardie> missed the / out
11:58:12  <Beardie> yes sorry
11:58:32  <planetmaker> Ammler: better making it a dependency and have something working than having a game and "it doesn't work!"
12:08:59  <Ammler> well, the description does point to that, but maybe better to tell the people, that they have now opengfx and a dummy sound
12:09:19  <Ammler> and if they want the ttd graphics and sound, they need to take care self...
12:24:42  <Ammler> oh, we should use bzip2 for compressing, not gzip
12:37:00  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #576: Makefile: use bzip2 for source package @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/576 (by Ammler)
12:42:07  <Rubidium> not sure whether blathijs will like that
12:42:20  <Ammler> for debian?
12:42:25  <Rubidium> yup
12:42:41  <Ammler> hmm, well it is just a warning...
12:43:03  <Ammler> but also the openttd.spec in trunk does use bzip2
12:43:53  <Ammler> I need to define openttd as buildrequired to build opengfx :-)
12:44:14  <Rubidium> do you need it to build?
12:44:25  <Ammler> yes, for the data folder :-)
12:44:45  <Ammler> well, it does also just produce a warning.
12:45:19  <Rubidium> hmm, I thought you just changed the tar --gzip to tar --bzip2 in the makefile, but it's just a tracker report
12:47:12  <Rubidium> solution is simple: just make a .tar.gz and .tar.bz2 ... oh and .tar.lzma because that seems to be Fedora's favourite format
12:47:31  <Ammler> now, I need a idea, how to handle version and revision tag to solve the issue for prereleases.
12:48:11  <Rubidium> see fedora?
12:48:42  <Ammler> as suse does overwrite the release tag with the project revision
12:49:05  <Ammler> yeah, fedora solution doesn't work :-(
12:49:52  <Ammler> and if I add preversion to version, the package installer doesn't determine the "stable" release as newer.
12:50:52  <Rubidium> it doesn't have anything fancy with ordering of 'special-ish' seperators
12:51:38  <Rubidium> openttd-0.7.0~beta1 < openttd-0.7.0 < openttd-0.7.0+b1
13:01:40  <Ammler> Rubidium: but you forgot about the release and distro tags: openttd-0.7.0-11-fc10.rpm
13:03:40  <Ammler> I thought 0.7.0~RC1-10 < 0.7.0-11 but that seems not the case
13:04:32  <Ammler> Fedora does add the preversion after the release tag
13:04:48  <Ammler> like 0.7.0-11.RC1
13:26:14  <Ammler> Rubidium: why do you install the binary per default to /usr/games, but the rpm spec does define bin as bin-dir?
13:26:43  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #576: Makefile: use bzip2 for source package @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/576#change-1418 (by Ammler)
13:27:09  <Rubidium> uhm... because it was that way... since the concept of install directory got introduced by the Debian port maintainer
13:27:53  <Ammler> ok, well, /usr/games would work in suse too
13:31:30  <Rubidium> even so, /usr/games is covered by the filesystem hierarchy standard (http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SPECIFICOPTIONS9)
13:31:31  <Webster> Title: Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (at www.pathname.com)
13:32:58  <Rubidium> (it also covers /usr/local/games)
13:33:40  <Rubidium> as well as /usr/share/games
13:41:03  <Ammler> but it seems not used here, /usr/games i empty.
14:04:58  <planetmaker> Ammler: I don't entirely understand issue 576
14:05:32  <planetmaker> it reads to me at least like two separate issues, though I don't understand your addition and what the problem is exactly
14:05:45  <Ammler> well, it seems like debian can't read bzip2, so we have to reject it.
14:06:06  <planetmaker> uh? So the source as gzip?
14:06:17  <Ammler> the makefile doesn't check if the installation dir exists
14:06:33  <planetmaker> yeah, true I think
14:06:45  <planetmaker> ok, so at least two completely unrelated things? ;-)
14:06:49  <Ammler> it should create it for the case it doesn't :-)
14:07:13  <planetmaker> a) use gzip for src, right?
14:07:17  <Ammler> well, it is related to make a easy rpm.
14:07:19  <planetmaker> b) create installdir?
14:07:36  <Ammler> c) make wintxt files for bundles ;-)
14:07:56  <Ammler> a) use bzip2, but don't :-P
14:08:04  <planetmaker> ...
14:08:19  <planetmaker> what now?
14:08:45  <Ammler> well, b at least, if you care....
14:09:07  <Ammler> c isn't in the ticket yet.
14:09:23  <planetmaker> I'm asking what the issue is / are
14:09:40  <planetmaker> b) is possible
14:09:50  <planetmaker> and what is now the meaning of a)
14:10:06  <Ammler> well, rpm prefers bzip2, but debian can't handle it.
14:10:13  <planetmaker> ah
14:10:24  <Ammler> that I found our after I created it.
14:10:32  <Ammler> out*
14:10:33  <planetmaker> ok, so a makefile parameter?
14:10:40  <Ammler> no
14:10:44  <planetmaker> why not?
14:10:54  <planetmaker> SCRZIP = bzip2 | gzip
14:11:02  <Ammler> I can life with gzip
14:11:03  <planetmaker> for Makefile.local
14:11:05  <planetmaker> ok
14:11:06  <Ammler> it is just a warning.
14:11:49  <Ammler> well, the source file won't be created, it will be downloaded from bundles.
14:11:52  <planetmaker> ok, gzip is used anyway
14:11:56  <planetmaker> already now :-)
14:12:01  <Ammler> yeah, that is the bug :-P
14:12:07  <planetmaker> :-P
14:12:22  <Ammler> alternative would be to make both
14:13:00  <planetmaker> would that work then smoothly with debian?
14:13:17  <Ammler> or ask blatjis, if he can use bzip2
14:21:48  <Ammler> Rubidium: the solution I get from build community is: using 0.7.3.0 for the stable release
14:37:05  <Ammler> planetmaker: btw nice that "make install INSTALLDIR=%{buildroot}%{_datadir}/games/openttd/data" works
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15:12:49  <planetmaker> I guess that's the usual makefile behaviour. You can always override variables.
15:13:47  <Ammler> well, it looks they are "constant" then, not overrideable anymore
15:19:43  <planetmaker> hm, yeah. Might be a difference between a=expression and a:=expression
15:20:17  <planetmaker> where the first is what I always use (evaluate only when needed) where the 2nd evaluates at the time the line is executed
15:20:52  <Ammler> well, it is fine as it is now :-)
15:21:10  <Ammler> at least it works, it doesn't with grfcodec.
15:21:11  <planetmaker> pull :-)
15:21:17  <planetmaker> and test
15:21:31  <Ammler> I need to install grfcodec manually
15:21:37  <planetmaker> oh.
15:22:13  <Ammler> dunno really why, just that fedora does install manually too, so.
15:22:47  <planetmaker> but check r201 of ogfx
15:22:55  <Ammler> ok
15:23:05  <planetmaker> whether it now works with the install dir :-)
15:23:11  <Ammler> well, for the package I make, I use the release.
15:23:26  <planetmaker> doesn't matter. Should also work :-) Same install dir ;-)
15:23:36  <Ammler> ?
15:24:05  <planetmaker> well. I added installdir as dependency to release-install
15:24:15  <planetmaker> and both use the same install dir
15:24:17  <Ammler> I meant, I use the release bundle: 0.1.0-alpha6
15:24:38  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 201: Change: Create the install directory, if it doesn't exist (part of issue ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/201 (by planetmaker)
15:25:06  <Ammler> btw. there is no keyword needed anymore to link a revision to a ticket.
15:25:13  <planetmaker> oh?
15:25:26  <planetmaker> how does it distinguish between rXXX and issue YYY ?
15:25:31  <Ammler> if you mention #XXX, it will be linked.
15:25:41  <planetmaker> as will rXXX to the rev?
15:25:45  <planetmaker> that's nice
15:25:46  <Ammler> also [#XXX] :-)
15:26:03  <Ammler> didn't try, just guess ^
15:26:10  <planetmaker> but I guess I like my commit message style by now :-)
15:26:19  <Ammler> added the keyword "*"
15:27:05  <Ammler> where shall I add the spec file?
15:27:13  <Ammler> or shouldn't I?
15:27:55  <planetmaker> hm... I referenced the wrong issue :-P
15:28:00  <Ammler> hmm, your commit didn
15:28:04  <Ammler> ah :-)
15:28:12  <planetmaker> 536 instead of 576 :-P
15:28:29  <Ammler> I liked to whine because of :-P
15:28:57  <planetmaker> :-O but issue 536 doesn't exist...
15:29:06  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #576 (Feedback): Makefile: use bzip2 for source package @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/576#change-1419 (by planetmaker)
15:29:29  <Ammler> planetmaker: not in that project, I guess
15:30:13  <planetmaker> well. If I enter it in the webbrowser bar
15:30:14  <Ammler> or it was a test/sandbox issue, which I deleted
15:30:26  <planetmaker> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/576 vs https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/536
15:30:27  <Ammler> or from project I deleted
15:30:38  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #576: Makefile: use bzip2 for source package @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/576#change-1420 (by planetmaker)
15:31:29  <planetmaker> he, you closed all assoc issues?
15:32:00  <Ammler> they weren't used.
15:32:14  <Ammler> it was a demo, but not liked by the board :-P
15:32:21  <planetmaker> :-P
15:32:40  <Ammler> I thought, they could be used to make the minutes.
15:32:45  <planetmaker> wow, the president is online. But neither the vice nor the cashier in the channel :-P
15:32:52  <planetmaker> nor our accountant
15:33:03  <Ammler> online?
15:33:09  <planetmaker> in the channel
15:33:20  <Ammler> no need :-P
15:33:27  <planetmaker> :-P :-(
15:33:28  <Ammler> I have too many open channels
15:34:52  <Ammler> Managers are able to delete issues, shall I remove that cap?
15:36:52  <planetmaker> hm, why?
15:37:05  <planetmaker> ah. You mean only let them close them?
15:37:06  <Ammler> because you were suprised about delted issues :-P
15:37:39  <planetmaker> Sounds reasonable to close them as either invalid or won't fix instead to delete them.
15:38:10  <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/roles/report
15:40:14  <Rubidium> removing issues is stupid
15:40:31  <Rubidium> actually losing any tracker history is stupid
15:41:41  <Ammler> well, the tracker issues which got removed are issues assigned to a deleted project
15:41:54  <Ammler> sandbox
15:46:45  <Ammler> but pm now removed the cap from managers
15:47:02  <planetmaker> what did I do? I didn't change anything :-)
15:47:10  <Ammler> :-P
15:47:30  <Ammler> btw, how about changing versioning to dot style only?
15:47:41  <Ammler> 0.1.0.alpha6
15:48:04  <Ammler> wouldn't need rpm hacks anymore.
15:48:28  <planetmaker> I don't mind. If it helps I have no objection
15:49:29  <Ammler> hmm, I need to suggest it in FS, it would need to be done by openttd, either.
15:49:39  <Ammler> afaik, debian can't handle it eihter.
15:51:03  <planetmaker> Ammler: "either" cannot be used in a positive statement without a comparison
15:51:14  <planetmaker> in those cases it's "also" or ",too"
15:51:16  <Ammler> sorry
15:51:19  <planetmaker> :-)
15:51:30  <Rubidium> debian can handle 0.1.0-alpha6 fine-ish; it'd probably be called 0.1.0~alpha6
15:51:31  <planetmaker> just telling as you always mis-use that word.
15:51:50  <Ammler> Rubidium: that is what I mean, it does "hack" it too
15:52:10  <Rubidium> the . makes it even worse
15:52:31  <Rubidium> - > ~ isn't that much of a difference, . -> ~ is
15:52:43  <Rubidium> because a > 0
15:52:52  <Ammler> http://opensu.se/~darix/rpmvercmp.py
15:54:23  <Ammler> and why not using ~
15:54:41  <Ammler> well, it would also need to use ~0 for stables
15:54:56  <Ammler> so I guess, that "hack" isn't avoidable
15:55:22  <Rubidium> debian would use 0.1.0-1, which is higher than any 0.1.0~whaevar
15:56:22  <Ammler> you meant 0.1.0~whatever-1 ?
15:56:38  <Rubidium> no
15:56:50  <Rubidium> 0.1.0~alpha6 < 0.1.0-1 (in Debian)
15:56:53  <Ammler> well, nvm then, I keep it that way.
15:57:15  <Rubidium> actually, it would be 0.1.0~alpha6-1 in Debian :)
15:57:26  <Ammler> 0.1.0~alpha6 < 0.1.0~0 (in suse)
15:57:58  <Rubidium> ~ != -
15:58:01  <Ammler> (not sure about nonsuse)
15:58:14  <Ammler> Rubidium: I know.
15:58:26  <Rubidium> but you used ~ in both
15:58:33  <Ammler> yes
15:58:47  <Rubidium> hmm, a letter is lower than a number?
15:58:53  <Ammler> well, that is just the version tag, the release that is appended then with -
15:59:06  <Ammler> Rubidium: seems so.
15:59:49  <Ammler> "your" debian way doesn't work at least on suse.
16:00:02  <Rubidium> anyhow... something completely different: to what extent is 0.1.0-alpha6 meant to be used as unstable testing stuff that ought not to end up in a distro?
16:00:27  <Rubidium> e.g. OpenTTD's rcs and betas should not end up in a distro
16:00:45  <Rubidium> whereas your alphas basically are getting into distros all over the place
16:00:47  <Ammler> doesn't debian have tesing repos?
16:01:12  <Rubidium> yes
16:01:21  <Ammler> there, they belong to :-)
16:01:30  <Ammler> at least from my view
16:01:44  <Rubidium> though the repos 'testing' and 'unstable' are only meant for stuff that ends up in releases
16:02:03  <Ammler> but the opengfx needs to go the "stable" repos, as there is nothing else.
16:02:04  <Rubidium> 'experimental' is for unfinished/totally untested stuff
16:02:53  <Ammler> I took 2 years for me to use "Factory" repos from suse.
16:03:26  <Rubidium> Ammler: but if it's *that* stable to go into stable distros, why don't you just drop the alpha and use proper version numbers and the 'free software versioning' that everything < 1.0.0 isn't the finished product?
16:03:53  <Ammler> true
16:04:28  <Ammler> at least, as you can't break soemthing with unfinished opengfx
16:05:54  <Rubidium> except playability
16:06:04  <Ammler> planetmaker: let us remove prerelease tags :-)
16:06:20  <Ammler> or preversions or how you call that.
16:06:52  <Ammler> let us release version 0.1.1
16:07:34  <Ammler> and the beta from roadmap is 0.2.0
16:08:38  <Ammler> Rubidium: opengfx is by far better playable as original
16:08:45  <Ammler> as original toyland isn't at all ;-)
16:09:32  <Ammler> (but that is something else...)
16:17:55  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #577: Remove the mess with preversion tags @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/577 (by Ammler)
16:18:02  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r269)
16:18:02  <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r217)
16:18:02  <Brot6> fish: update from r131 to r132, starting nightly compile
16:18:23  <Brot6> fish: compile done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/fish/nightlies/
16:18:23  <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169)
16:18:23  <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r14)
16:18:23  <Brot6> opengfx: update from r200 to r201, starting nightly compile
16:19:15  <Brot6> opengfx: compile done (0 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/
16:19:15  <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r41)
16:19:15  <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r538)
16:21:56  <Ammler> Rubidium: maybe you like to comment ^ :-)
16:24:09  <Rubidium> still no osfx updates :(
16:24:56  <Ammler> osfx need a big annoucement in tt-forums.
16:25:24  <Ammler> dunno, if general forum is the right place.
16:25:44  <Ammler> maybe make it sticky
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17:35:26  <Rubidium> Ammler: you mean like... a sticky in General OpenTTD?
17:35:45  <Ammler> Rubidium: yes
17:35:58  <Ammler> like opengfx is sticky in graphics.
17:36:16  <Ammler> but it might be worth to make a new thread
17:36:34  <Rubidium> already done that... 38 days ago
17:36:56  <Ammler> wasn't that attached to the thread from orudge?
17:38:16  <Rubidium> yes and no. I did add something to orudge's thread *and* made a new sticky one
17:38:52  <Ammler> well, I almost never visit the general forums :-)
17:39:15  <Ammler> too many open threads there ;-)
17:42:15  <Ammler> ah, indeed, sorry
17:42:58  <Ammler> can't you somehow crosslink to other forums?
18:04:07  <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated.
18:47:15  <planetmaker> [18:06]	<Ammler>	planetmaker: let us remove prerelease tags :-) <-- I don't mind. And yes, I agree: anything < 1.0 is not yet finished
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18:49:04  <Ammler> planetmaker: then we should make such a release this week somewhen....
18:49:28  <planetmaker> why not today?
18:49:38  <Ammler> :-P
18:49:48  <Ammler> well, I don't care
18:50:30  <planetmaker> well... does the automatic generation of a release work? I guess not, or?
18:50:40  <planetmaker> if the repo gets taged?
18:51:02  <Ammler> no :-(
18:51:20  <planetmaker> well, don't worry :-)
18:51:40  <planetmaker> how do I trigger the compile and upload to the bundles?
18:51:51  <Ammler> well, do we just rename alpha6 to 0.1.1 or update readme and changelog, too?
18:51:54  <planetmaker> or rather: is there an easy way?
18:52:10  <planetmaker> well... IF we make a new release, we make it as of now
18:52:16  <planetmaker> so new readme and changelog
18:52:18  <Ammler> ssh ottdc@openttdcoop.org
18:52:23  <Ammler> and then run the make there
18:52:33  <planetmaker> with hg up 0.1.1 ?
18:52:40  <Ammler> yes
18:52:42  <planetmaker> ok
18:52:46  <planetmaker> the "usual" way :-)
18:52:50  <planetmaker> make isntall?
18:52:57  <Ammler> you didn't change the source tarball compression?
18:53:02  <planetmaker> nope
18:53:09  <planetmaker> tgz was desired I read :-P
18:53:10  <Ammler> no
18:54:02  <Ammler> make release and make source, afaik
18:54:12  <Ammler> never did release
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19:02:18  <planetmaker> make release-source
19:09:12  <planetmaker> Ammler: what's the weblink to the source tarballs?
19:09:27  <Ammler> they are in releases too
19:09:32  <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/releases/ ?
19:10:31  <Rubidium> hmm... why are people asking all those questions they can answer themselves easily?
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19:12:03  <Ammler> planetmaker: did you make the tags?
19:12:20  <Ammler> just because no annoucements here
19:13:01  <Ammler> or are you still preparing :-)
19:17:49  <planetmaker> I'm still preparing
19:18:09  <planetmaker> Rubidium: referring to something specifically? :-)
19:20:21  <Rubidium> no, just a feeling I got today
19:20:45  <planetmaker> only today? ;-)
19:21:59  <Rubidium> yes, I'm good in forgetting stuff; as such I can't remember why 90% got on my ignore list
19:22:17  <Rubidium> but if they're on it, they must have earned it somehow
19:24:32  <planetmaker> :-D
19:24:44  <planetmaker> I don't consider it worthwhile to maintain such list
19:25:05  <planetmaker> it doesn't make life easier, rather more complicated IMO
19:25:40  <planetmaker> as it makes a channel at least partly not well readable.
19:25:52  <planetmaker> as it might result in things appearing out of context
19:25:58  <Rubidium> why doesn't it make easier? now I dont' have to look at those pointless conversations in #openttd by ln and 'friends'
19:26:06  <Rubidium> or listen to stupid questions from alain
19:26:11  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 203: Added tag 0.1.1 for changeset 8ec81678eed7 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/203 (by planetmaker)
19:26:11  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 202: Doc: Update changelog and readme for version 0.1.1 @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/202 (by planetmaker)
19:26:11  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #577 (Assigned): Remove the mess with preversion tags @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/577#change-1421 (by Ammler)
19:28:20  <Ammler> ... for beta1 targets <-- in the readme :-)
19:28:55  <Ammler> no, in the changelog
19:29:22  <planetmaker> hm, Ammler ?
19:29:30  <planetmaker> oh, still in there?
19:29:33  <planetmaker> :-P
19:30:46  <Ammler> edited the roadmap and moved all closed tickets from 0.2.0 to 0.1.1
19:31:26  <planetmaker> ottdc@mozart:~/hg-repos/opengfx> make install
19:31:28  <planetmaker> [BUNDLE]
19:31:29  <planetmaker> [Generating:] opengfx-nightly/.
19:31:31  <planetmaker> [Generating:] opengfx-nightly.tar
19:31:31  <Ammler> oh, the GRFID fix was also after alpha6 :-o
19:31:32  <planetmaker> Install dir didn't exist. Creating /home/ottdc/.openttd/data
19:31:34  <planetmaker> [INSTALL] to /home/ottdc/.openttd/data
19:31:35  <planetmaker> :-D
19:31:48  <Ammler> as I said, no install
19:31:53  <Ammler> :-P
19:31:55  <planetmaker> oh, mis-understood.
19:32:02  <planetmaker> Asche auf mein Haupt
19:32:02  <Ammler> make release
19:32:13  <Ammler> and make release-source ?
19:32:21  <planetmaker> yes, did that. and release-source and release_zip
19:32:23  <Ammler> oh
19:32:30  <Ammler> and hg up 0.1.1 first :-P
19:32:45  <planetmaker> sure
19:32:55  <planetmaker> I called every release target now :-)
19:32:58  <Ammler> [21:31] <planetmaker> [Generating:] opengfx-nightly/. <- doesn't look like
19:33:31  <planetmaker> uhm...
19:33:34  <planetmaker> hm
19:33:37  <Ammler> :-)
19:33:59  <Ammler> do you build in screen?
19:34:03  <planetmaker> yeah. I should have called make release-install
19:34:06  <planetmaker> yes, I did
19:34:22  <Ammler> install?
19:34:35  <Ammler> why do you want to install it there?
19:34:48  <planetmaker> I don't. I want install to copy it to bundles.
19:34:56  <Ammler> hmm
19:35:15  <Ammler> that is strange
19:35:20  <planetmaker> but I guess I could just copy it :-)
19:35:44  <Ammler> install does only make a tar
19:35:55  <Ammler> we need zips and tar.gz
19:36:07  <planetmaker> yes. we have both.
19:36:20  <planetmaker> release_zip and release_source built them
19:36:32  <planetmaker> release creates the tar
19:36:33  <Ammler> yep, that sounds better :-)
19:37:12  <Ammler> and make md5sums with
19:37:52  <planetmaker> first copy them to the release folder... I think
19:42:14  <planetmaker> Ammler: the plain tar, too?
19:42:18  <Ammler> np
19:42:30  <Ammler> that is for bananas
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19:42:52  <planetmaker> I just wondered. It's there for 0.4.2
19:43:00  <Ammler> well, those have no zips
19:43:01  <planetmaker> 0.1.0-alpha4.2
19:43:06  <planetmaker> ah... right :-)
19:43:27  <Ammler> we changed to the zip for the windows guys :-)
19:43:46  <Ammler> hmm
19:44:32  <Ammler> now, the windows guys can't read it
19:44:46  <Ammler> we should unix2dos them
19:44:59  <Ammler> or did you?
19:45:31  <Ammler> (only the zip of course)
19:45:58  <Ammler> Rubidium: does bananas convert the txt files?
19:46:29  <Rubidium> could be, read the TOS
19:47:14  <Ammler> mäh :-P
19:47:19  <planetmaker> FooBar: here?
19:47:31  <Ammler> don't you have access there too?
19:47:45  <planetmaker> FooBar: we need you to upload a new OpenGFX version to bananas :-)
19:47:50  <planetmaker> Nope
19:47:58  <Ammler> I thought, rubi gave you
19:48:09  <planetmaker> It was afaik a one-time only :-)
19:48:23  <planetmaker> at least it didn't work anymore once FB re-appeard :-)
19:48:44  <Ammler> hmm, maybe because of the migration so singlesignon
19:49:24  <Ammler> I do convert the zip to dos txt files, ok?
19:50:39  <planetmaker> if you like: do so.
19:52:46  <planetmaker> Rubidium: can there actually be done something about putting v0.1.1 of OpenGFX into bananas?
19:53:06  <Rubidium> slap TB into finishing bananas...
19:54:03  <planetmaker> :-D I'll remember that and do when I see him ;-)
19:54:19  <planetmaker> His problem are too many projects
19:54:28  <planetmaker> or too short attention span ;-)
19:54:49  <Rubidium> either I broke bananas now or you and foobar can upload now
19:54:51  <planetmaker> as are mine... :-P
19:54:58  <planetmaker> ok, I'll try
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19:56:20  <planetmaker> Seems to work :-)
19:56:29  <planetmaker> Thanks a bunch!
19:57:48  <Ammler> planetmaker: makefile does put the docs in a subfolder, is that intendend?
19:58:22  <planetmaker> oh-oh... Rubidium:
19:58:23  <planetmaker>  Unhandled Exception
19:58:25  <planetmaker> An unhandled exception was thrown by the application.
19:58:40  <Ammler> the zip looks quite silly, need to check alpha6
19:58:53  <planetmaker> Ammler: in the zip: yes
19:59:00  <Rubidium> planetmaker: good luck with debugging that; your bananas knowledge is roughly the same as mine
19:59:12  <planetmaker> :-D
19:59:18  <planetmaker> that's bad
19:59:43  <Ammler> planetmaker: maybe the upload worked anyway
20:00:30  <Ammler> no, it didn't :-(
20:00:40  <planetmaker> nope
20:00:52  <Ammler> planetmaker: on alpha6, there was no subolfer for the docs
20:01:30  <Ammler> maybe I broke it :-(
20:01:53  <Ammler> or is that the first time, we "make" the release?
20:02:02  <planetmaker> dunno.
20:02:07  <planetmaker> I don't think
20:02:13  <planetmaker> and I tried to upload the tar
20:02:42  <planetmaker> and afaik all, readme.txt, changelog.txt and license.txt should be accepted
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20:15:11  <Ammler> rpm works...
20:16:57  <DJNekkid> lol, i have to DL the 2cc trainset for the public server :)
20:18:11  <planetmaker> :-)
20:19:08  <Ammler> bananas version :-P
20:19:18  <DJNekkid> aye
20:19:25  <Ammler> you probably use a nightly
20:19:37  <DJNekkid> nah, nightlyM
20:19:39  <DJNekkid> hehe
20:20:10  <planetmaker> :-P
20:23:19  <Ammler> the suse farm can now build opengfx for exactly 2 versions
20:23:23  <Ammler> SLE11 and suse 11.1
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20:23:37  <Ammler> everything else fails
20:24:05  <Ammler> because some can't build nforenum, some can't grfcodec and some can't openttd
20:24:48  <Ammler> I should at least be able to build for the suse versions :-)
20:31:52  <Ammler> planetmaker: might it be, because ot the new GRFID?
20:32:35  <Ammler> would be silly, thought
20:47:07  <DJNekkid> hmm...
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20:59:10  <planetmaker> Ammler: THAT might be an idea...
20:59:15  <planetmaker> I'll add it to the bug report. Thanks for that
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22:04:08  <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated.
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22:40:17  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - OpenGFX 0.1.1 release @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/news/14 (by Ammler)
22:40:31  <Ammler> planetmaker: copy that to the release thread? ^
22:46:25  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - OpenGFX 0.1.1 release @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/news/14 (by Ammler)
22:49:02  <Ammler> he, you already made one :-P
22:50:08  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #577: Remove the mess with preversion tags @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/577#change-1435 (by Ammler)
22:52:40  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - OpenGFX 0.1.1 release @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/news/14 (by Ammler)
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