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00:03:12 *** yorick has quit IRC 07:43:40 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 08:20:39 *** tycoondemon has quit IRC 08:20:56 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:58:24 *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:43:13 *** tycoondemon has quit IRC 14:24:59 *** teddyD has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:43:20 *** Alberth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:49:43 *** teddyD has quit IRC 16:35:09 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:49:25 <DevZone> Project 2ccts build #167-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 27 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/2ccts/167/ 16:50:52 <DevZone> Project xussrset - Trains from Russia build #326-push: SUCCESS in 3 min 26 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/xussrset/326/ 17:22:16 *** gelignite has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:23:13 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #152-push: STILL FAILING in 26 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/152/ 17:24:31 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #153-push: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/153/ 17:36:13 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #154-push: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/154/ 17:39:45 <Rubidium> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action8#Used_ranges <- anyone want to add their own ranges to that? 17:41:13 <DevZone> Yippee, build fixed! 17:41:14 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #155-push: FIXED in 1 min 52 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/155/ 18:02:47 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I don't think we should promote claiming of 65k ranges of grfIDs 18:03:30 <planetmaker> 256 IDs per person are way enough 18:03:44 <planetmaker> besides, I don't have a range :) 18:06:42 <Rubidium> planetmaker: feel free to change that part of the specs ;) 18:07:39 <Rubidium> but please wait till the current storm has ended 18:08:36 <Alberth> 256 ids seems reasonable to me 18:10:26 <juzza1> is the convention of increasing the GRFID by one for a new version needed? was it useful in the past? 18:10:30 <juzza1> never did that myself 18:12:13 <Alberth> not very useful, unless you expect them to be used side-by-side, I guess 18:12:24 <planetmaker> juzza1, it's not needed and very much discouraged IMHO. In the past it was useful when there was no action14 and your NewGRF was incompatible with previous versions 18:13:08 <planetmaker> now you just use action14 and set min_compatible_version appropriately 18:13:14 <juzza1> so that should probably not be encouraged in the wiki 18:13:25 <planetmaker> yes, should not 18:13:42 <planetmaker> actually action14 should rather be mentioned for that :) 18:36:47 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I think we should change it now in the writing there (maybe with a hint that those 'old' ranges exist. Otherwise we'll have again have to face accusations of blackmail later on 18:44:13 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I think the grfID section should read something like that now. Revert, if you think that doesn't go down well (now). 19:05:58 <Rubidium> planetmaker: technically andy is using whole 64k blocks for a single NewGRF 19:06:52 <planetmaker> not sure he ever claimed that block. There are a few IDs for FIRS, for sure, but... 19:06:56 <planetmaker> pointless anyway :) 19:10:28 <Rubidium> I kinda claimed it for him ;) 19:11:19 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:13:51 <planetmaker> yes, I saw that. But I think he has the same grfID policy as myself: none. Or a per-newgrf-basis 19:14:28 <andythenorth> what are we talking about? o_O 19:21:15 <planetmaker> your giant range of grfIDs which rubi claimed for your FIRS :P 19:21:56 <planetmaker> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action8#GRFID @ andythenorth 19:22:38 <andythenorth> yeah, now that we have action 14 savegame compatibility, I *definitely* am going to be changing grfid often 19:22:43 <andythenorth> like at least, never 19:22:50 <andythenorth> unless there’s a really different v2 19:22:55 <andythenorth> and then I’ll probably change the name 19:23:08 <andythenorth> grfid hoarding is fricking stupid 19:23:19 <andythenorth> grfid is mostly about not breaking the bananas entry 19:24:10 <andythenorth> the “creator’s” initials route is great for auteurs, solitary genii, one-man-bands, lone-wolves, megalomaniacs and Little Napoleons 19:24:19 <andythenorth> it somewhat fails when there is >1 contributor 19:24:33 <andythenorth> I guess the initials of the project manager could be used 19:24:39 <andythenorth> as that is the most important role by fart 19:24:42 <andythenorth> far? * 19:25:05 <planetmaker> fart also fits the sentence ;) 19:25:19 <andythenorth> the project manager does biggest farts 19:25:23 <andythenorth> so is most important 19:25:28 <planetmaker> ^^ 19:27:01 <andythenorth> well at least the thread has provided soapboxes for those who like soapboxing 19:30:20 <andythenorth> Rubidium: I actually don’t give a flying fuck about reserving ranges, and putting ‘my’ ranges in the list only perpetuates the silly behaviour :D 19:30:32 <andythenorth> but thanks :) 19:33:02 <frosch123> andythenorth: i would like to use the grfid F125F123. can it get it for a lump sum? or do you insist on a monthly rent? 19:33:20 <andythenorth> hmm 19:33:24 <andythenorth> monthly rent 19:33:27 <andythenorth> I set the price 19:34:31 <Rubidium> andythenorth: I could add 00 after it, so you reserve only a small range ;) 19:34:38 <andythenorth> ha 19:34:43 <andythenorth> just list the grfids :P 19:34:53 <andythenorth> “Hai, I would like to reserve my actual grfids plz" 19:35:08 <planetmaker> tbh, it would work to add those there, too 19:35:33 <frosch123> you saw the links at the bottom? 19:35:53 <frosch123> sure, you could compress the list by removing the md5sum 19:35:57 <frosch123> but it would still be long 19:36:21 <frosch123> also, grfids like 32323232 or 00000001 only make the author look stupid 19:37:38 <andythenorth> I am definitely going to move Road Hog to 32323232 19:37:58 <andythenorth> is it taken? 19:38:04 <frosch123> yes :/ 19:38:07 <andythenorth> hey, this is tedious 19:38:22 <andythenorth> can we write a web service that generates known unique grfids? 19:38:32 <frosch123> my theory is that someone was missing the first 4 letters of the grfname in game, and padded it with blanks until it was viisble :) 19:38:35 <andythenorth> honestly there’s a lot anxiety over the meaning of simple uids 19:38:47 <andythenorth> I’ve seen this kind of crap before 19:38:55 <andythenorth> the only meaning is ‘this is unique item' 19:39:14 <andythenorth> we should have just dished them out starting at 00000001 19:39:24 <andythenorth> and incrementing by 1 per newgrf 19:39:30 <frosch123> how about enforcing the rule: use the unix time stamp from when you start writing the grf? 19:39:44 <andythenorth> ha 19:39:49 <andythenorth> collision-proof :P 19:40:40 <frosch123> we need 64bit grfids to surive 2056-ish 19:54:07 <Alberth> space character is 20 rather than 32 :p 19:57:13 <Rubidium> there's no 32323232; the last two are 33 and 22 19:57:56 <Rubidium> or 223" (in ASCII) 19:59:12 <Rubidium> luukland uses 20202020 though 20:00:14 <Rubidium> oh... 42424242 20:02:54 <frosch123> Alberth: oh, damn, i messed that up 20:22:36 <andythenorth> Ammler! 20:22:38 <andythenorth> is alive :) 20:23:07 <frosch123> or undead :p 20:23:52 <Ammler> always was and will :-P 20:24:01 <Ammler> and always reading 20:24:17 <Ammler> Grüezi andythenorth 20:25:26 <Ammler> I wonder if you deleted the part in the GRF spec which tells the first 2 bytes define the author 20:26:19 <frosch123> we did, just 2 hours ago 20:26:24 <Ammler> oh, or was it one byte :-) 20:26:32 <Ammler> hehe 20:26:40 <andythenorth> how many grfids are there in total? 4 billion? 20:27:16 <planetmaker> heya Ammler :) 20:27:40 <frosch123> andythenorth: depends whether you consider all chars equal :) 20:27:54 <frosch123> @calc (26*2)^2 20:27:56 <andythenorth> I just care that it’s a uid that doesn’t cause handbags 20:28:00 <Ammler> frosch123: oh, before my post but after Alberth's :-P 20:28:11 <frosch123> !calc (26*2)^2 20:28:30 <frosch123> @calc (26*2)**2 20:28:30 <Webster> frosch123: 2704 20:28:40 <andythenorth> that’s not that may :o 20:28:43 <andythenorth> many * 20:28:44 <frosch123> so, only 2704 two letter prefixes, including lowercase 20:29:03 <frosch123> andythenorth: exactly, and some are more likely than others 20:29:30 <frosch123> you can tell that by companies who assign email adresses using initals 20:29:50 <frosch123> like pmaker@openttd.org :p 20:30:22 <andythenorth> Ammler: you were missed ;) 20:32:51 <Ammler> my new email has also a number at the end and we use the whole name 20:33:14 <Ammler> (zuerich.ch) 20:34:49 <Alberth> I didn't really want to post more in that thread, but alas :( 20:35:41 <frosch123> i didn't even bother reading it :p 20:35:47 <frosch123> did i miss something? 20:39:00 <Ammler> oztrans had/has many issues, but the GRFID/Versioning wasn't one, he has not the comfort of Action14 to control it 20:40:00 <Ammler> people start to forget about ttdpatch 20:40:17 <frosch123> about what? 20:40:29 <Ammler> about it existence :-P 20:51:34 *** Alberth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 20:54:08 <Ammler> ah gone, just wanted to tell him, he blames oz to claim 2 bytes for all his grfs, while andythenorth claims the same per grf 20:54:52 <andythenorth> I do? :) 20:55:06 <andythenorth> iirc, I claim 4 bytes per grf? 20:55:33 <Ammler> he, according to the wiki you do 20:55:56 <andythenorth> :P 20:55:58 <Ammler> looks like "A _ _ _" belongs to you, well you earn it :-P 21:24:56 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:15:40 *** gelignite has quit IRC 22:25:08 *** frosch123 has quit IRC