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10:30:08 <planetmaker> !getsave 10:30:09 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: !getsave <url>: downloads the save from given <url> 10:31:06 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 10:32:45 <planetmaker> @op andythenorth 10:32:48 <planetmaker> !getsave 10:32:48 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: !getsave <url>: downloads the save from given <url> 10:33:00 <planetmaker> ^^ with a sane URL allows to upload it to the server 10:33:04 <planetmaker> !rcon ls 10:33:04 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 0) .. (Parent directory) 10:33:04 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 1) autosave/ (Directory) 10:33:04 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 2) uploads/ (Directory) 10:33:04 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 3) nocargoal2.sav 10:33:04 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 4) nocargoal.sav 10:33:16 <planetmaker> !rcon load 3 10:33:23 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 10:33:31 <planetmaker> alternatively the name also works 10:33:33 <planetmaker> @op frosch123 10:33:36 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 10:33:41 <planetmaker> uh... hm 10:33:47 <planetmaker> @services op 10:33:53 *** planetmaker sets mode: +o andythenorth 10:33:57 *** planetmaker sets mode: +o frosch123 10:34:01 *** planetmaker sets mode: +o Yexo 10:34:13 <frosch123> op * :p 10:34:22 <planetmaker> otherwise you can't use rcon ;-) 10:34:30 <frosch123> yup 10:34:32 <planetmaker> it's bound to channel ops 10:35:08 <planetmaker> so, basically !getsave and !rcon load are all you *should* need 10:35:21 <andythenorth> k 10:35:31 <andythenorth> someone can get a save onto the server? 10:35:32 <planetmaker> !rcon pause maybe and !rcon set min_active_clients might be interesting 10:35:33 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: Game is already paused. 10:35:43 <planetmaker> !rcon auto 10:35:43 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: ERROR: command not found 10:35:45 <planetmaker> !auto 10:35:45 <Nachtigall> *** planetmaker has enabled autopause mode. 10:35:46 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 10:35:50 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 10:36:20 <frosch123> !help getsave 10:36:25 <planetmaker> no help :-) 10:36:27 <planetmaker> !getsave 10:36:27 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: !getsave <url>: downloads the save from given <url> 10:36:37 <frosch123> ok :) 10:36:49 <planetmaker> it's only for pros :-P 10:37:55 <planetmaker> btw, frosch123, I think you have ssh to the server: ssh ottdc@games.openttdcoop.org 10:38:20 <planetmaker> use screen. It's in screen 3+4. running in ~/svn-nightly/autopilot 10:38:46 <planetmaker> in the other two screens you can kill the stable server :-P 10:40:39 <planetmaker> rcon load works just by number if you know it via rcon ls 10:40:48 <planetmaker> !rcon los 10:40:48 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: ERROR: command not found 10:40:51 <planetmaker> !rcon ls 10:40:51 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 0) .. (Parent directory) 10:40:51 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 1) autosave/ (Directory) 10:40:51 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 2) uploads/ (Directory) 10:40:51 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 3) nocargoal2.sav 10:40:51 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 4) nocargoal.sav 10:40:56 <planetmaker> !rcon cd . 10:40:56 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: .: No such file or directory. 10:41:05 <planetmaker> !rcon cd uploads 10:41:08 <planetmaker> !rcon ls 10:41:08 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 0) .. (Parent directory) 10:41:14 <planetmaker> !rcon cd .. 10:41:22 <planetmaker> !rcon pwd 10:41:23 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: /home/ottdc/svn-nightly/autopilot/save/ 10:41:27 <frosch123> haha, that ssh gives me "Illegal command '?'" 10:41:29 <planetmaker> !rcon ls 10:41:29 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 0) .. (Parent directory) 10:41:29 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 1) autosave/ (Directory) 10:41:29 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 2) uploads/ (Directory) 10:41:30 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 3) nocargoal2.sav 10:41:30 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: 4) nocargoal.sav 10:41:40 <planetmaker> !rcon load 3 10:41:43 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 10:41:46 <planetmaker> !rcon load nocargoal 10:41:46 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: pause 10:41:46 <Nachtigall> planetmaker: Game is already paused. 10:41:47 <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players) 10:41:51 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 10:42:29 <planetmaker> sorry, frosch123, I forgot the port number: ssh -p11022 ottdc@games.openttdcoop.org 10:42:40 <planetmaker> I use an alias, thus I forget :-) 10:42:57 <andythenorth> biab 10:48:58 <frosch123> hmm, i don't know screen. i'll leave my fingers from it for now :) 10:50:21 <frosch123> and my irc client is somewhat getting to many tabs... they all start with #openttd and it clips on the right :p 10:50:23 <planetmaker> when you ssh'ed, just call screen -x 10:50:30 <frosch123> let's close some 10:50:35 <planetmaker> hehe 10:51:06 <planetmaker> get vertical tabs ;-) 10:51:39 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 10:52:13 <frosch123> that wastes too much space 10:53:06 <frosch123> planetmaker: it seems to use weird hotkeys 10:53:12 <frosch123> like ctrl+a ctrl+\ 10:53:24 <frosch123> i am always worried how to type ctrl 10:53:30 <frosch123> ctrl+\ correctly :) 10:53:34 <planetmaker> yes, screen uses weired hotkeys 10:53:54 <planetmaker> but you should only need ctrl+a ctrl+c (new tab) 10:54:02 <planetmaker> ctrl+<num> (switch tab) 10:55:10 <frosch123> and how to close it? :p 11:03:03 <frosch123> i wonder whether it is ctrl+a+d or ctrl+a+\ 11:03:09 <frosch123> and whether the other one kills it all :p 11:07:20 <planetmaker> oh, don't close a screen. as long as you run screen you can just close that tab locally and the server will just carry one 11:07:25 <planetmaker> that's why you use screen :-) 11:09:38 <frosch123> you mean i shall just kill my local ssh connection? :p 11:14:11 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 11:14:37 <planetmaker> yes, that's fine. It won't change the screen on the server. That's what it's used for 13:07:40 *** Alberth has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 13:07:55 <Alberth> woep 13:08:01 <andythenorth> hello 13:09:02 <andythenorth> can we get a FIRS nightly? Or too hard? 13:09:18 <frosch123> i have no idea how firs works :p 13:09:31 <frosch123> i guess if we get a goal for a supply, we are screwed :p 13:09:35 <Alberth> bring cargo, get paid? :p 13:10:02 <frosch123> anyway, as long as you do not add a too fancy vehicle set, i guess i can handle it 13:10:24 <andythenorth> I'd prefer nightly to Bananas version, there are improvements 13:11:29 <andythenorth> obv. I have a nightly here :) 13:11:38 <andythenorth> can the server get one? 13:13:26 <frosch123> i have scp access 13:13:46 <frosch123> so, can you prepare a savegame with everything added? 13:13:54 <frosch123> (don't forget the gs :p) 13:14:02 <frosch123> how many are we? 3? 13:14:15 <frosch123> should we go for a lower goal, or for a longer time? 13:14:30 <frosch123> (i guess lower goal might be better) 13:15:19 <Alberth> yeah 13:16:10 <andythenorth> I invited terkhen 13:16:42 <andythenorth> better check my OpenTTD works here :P 13:17:07 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 13:17:11 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual) 13:17:17 <andythenorth> works :P 13:17:33 <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving) 13:17:33 <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players) 13:17:37 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 13:17:37 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 13:18:00 <Alberth> still the 24494 version? 13:18:08 <andythenorth> yup 13:18:21 <frosch123> yes, i don't want to install a new version on the server :p 13:18:26 <andythenorth> +1 13:19:06 <andythenorth> 14 year game? 13:19:12 <Alberth> maybe it got changed friday 13:19:23 <andythenorth> I connected to it with 24494 13:19:39 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 13:19:43 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual) 13:20:08 * andythenorth is finishing up some work 13:20:11 <frosch123> !rcon rescan_newgrf 13:20:18 <andythenorth> 512^ seems to be optimum map size 13:20:40 <Alberth> I should get a nightly FIRS? 13:20:45 <andythenorth> please 13:20:52 <frosch123> i think i managed to install firs 2876 :) 13:21:02 <frosch123> (build with nml tip) 13:21:25 <andythenorth> hmm 13:21:35 <Nachtigall> *** alberth has left the game (general timeout) 13:21:35 <Nachtigall> *** alberth has left the game (connection lost) 13:21:35 <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players) 13:21:36 <andythenorth> I am missing some python stuff here due to laptop upgrade :P 13:21:39 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 13:21:39 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 13:21:39 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 13:22:25 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/firs2876.grf 13:22:29 <frosch123> use that one then :) 13:22:37 <andythenorth> \o/ 13:23:32 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 13:23:36 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual) 13:24:09 <Alberth> newgrf window does not list firs 13:24:18 <andythenorth> rescan 13:24:19 <andythenorth> ? 13:24:24 <andythenorth> thinking start 1965 13:24:26 <frosch123> Alberth: we have not yet loaded a save 13:24:33 <andythenorth> I don't care what terrain or other map stuff 13:24:49 <andythenorth> industries 'normal' is usually ok 13:24:56 <frosch123> i already triggered rescan, but we need a save 13:25:07 <andythenorth> Alberth: want to make one? :P 13:25:19 * andythenorth is deep in Twitter Bootstrap wrangling :P 13:25:31 <andythenorth> [need to finish some work before play] :) 13:25:38 <Nachtigall> *** alberth has left the game (leaving) 13:25:38 <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players) 13:25:41 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 13:25:41 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 13:26:01 <frosch123> firs nightly, ogfx+trains, heqs, fish, ogfx+rv ? 13:26:21 <frosch123> ok, i'll do the save then :p 13:28:29 <frosch123> i just need to review all my settings to not debug-stuff :p 13:30:41 <andythenorth> add CHIPS? 13:30:50 <andythenorth> nicer for walking stations :P 13:31:05 <frosch123> what goal? 13:31:14 <andythenorth> I like "expensive short and slow bridges" too, but maybe I'm weird :P 13:31:23 <andythenorth> 14 years 13:31:30 <frosch123> so long? 13:31:30 <andythenorth> hmm 13:31:46 <andythenorth> might need it with FIRS if we get a secondary cargo 13:31:53 <andythenorth> 11? 13:31:58 <andythenorth> shorter :P 13:32:03 <frosch123> 50k then? 13:32:18 <Alberth> ok 13:32:21 <frosch123> 11 years, 50k 13:33:02 <frosch123> wood, metal, scrap emtal 13:33:03 <frosch123> good? 13:33:12 <andythenorth> hoo 13:33:15 <andythenorth> ok :) 13:33:29 <andythenorth> big loan 13:33:33 <andythenorth> otherwise it's too hard 13:33:40 <frosch123> 300k 13:33:49 <andythenorth> k 13:35:29 <frosch123> !rcon loadgame ncg20120826 13:35:29 <Nachtigall> frosch123: ERROR: command not found 13:35:36 <frosch123> !rcon load ncg20120826 13:35:36 <Nachtigall> frosch123: ncg20120826: No such file or directory. 13:35:42 <frosch123> !rcon ls 13:35:42 <Nachtigall> frosch123: 0) .. (Parent directory) 13:35:42 <Nachtigall> frosch123: 1) autosave/ (Directory) 13:35:42 <Nachtigall> frosch123: 2) uploads/ (Directory) 13:35:42 <Nachtigall> frosch123: 3) nocargoal2.sav 13:35:42 <Nachtigall> frosch123: 4) nocargoal.sav 13:37:33 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 13:37:37 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual) 13:37:48 <frosch123> !rcon cd uploads 13:37:51 <frosch123> !rcon ls 13:37:51 <Nachtigall> frosch123: Current/maximum clients: 1/16 13:37:51 <Nachtigall> frosch123: Current/maximum companies: 1/ 8 13:37:51 <Nachtigall> frosch123: Current/maximum spectators: 0/ 8 13:37:51 <Nachtigall> frosch123: Client #1 name: 'Nachtigall' company: 255 IP: server 13:37:51 <Nachtigall> frosch123: Client #30 name: 'alberth' company: 1 IP: 82.95.164.127 13:37:51 <Nachtigall> frosch123: you have 3 more messages 13:37:57 <Alberth> oh, I am too fast :) 13:38:10 * andythenorth is just doing a bit of committing :) 13:38:13 <frosch123> !rcon load ncg20120826 13:38:24 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 13:38:26 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 13:38:28 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 13:38:40 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 13:38:40 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 13:39:10 <frosch123> so, let's see... can you spot anything i screwed up with the savegame creation? 13:39:51 <frosch123> !rcon pause 13:39:53 <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (manual) 13:39:57 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual) 13:39:57 <frosch123> damn, i thought it was paused 13:40:40 <frosch123> 6 forests only? 13:40:46 <frosch123> i think we have no chance for 50k :p 13:41:09 <frosch123> same for the other cargos 13:41:54 <frosch123> 52800 if we transport everything from the start of the game :p 13:42:17 <andythenorth> FIRS makes it...hard :) 13:42:37 <andythenorth> need supplies to stand any chance of winning :) 13:42:44 <andythenorth> try 30k goal? 13:42:56 <andythenorth> we'll probably make it, but there's only three of us.... 13:43:20 <Alberth> euhm, where's the goal? 13:43:31 <frosch123> 50k 13:43:58 <frosch123> so, restart with 30k? 13:44:04 <frosch123> and other settings i shall change? 13:44:08 <frosch123> *any 13:44:45 <frosch123> start date ok? vehicle availability? 13:44:50 <Alberth> I don't see a goal at all 13:45:01 <frosch123> check the news 13:45:07 <frosch123> it pops up every month 13:45:07 <andythenorth> frosch123: 1965 start date 13:45:18 <andythenorth> means we'll get improved ships and trucks quickly 13:45:30 <frosch123> why is the game unpaused again? 13:45:40 <andythenorth> frosch123: also more rivers 13:45:44 <andythenorth> I just joined to check settings 13:45:47 <andythenorth> I'm leaving ;) 13:45:49 <Nachtigall> *** frosch has left the game (leaving) 13:45:50 <andythenorth> many more rivers ;) 13:45:55 <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving) 13:45:55 <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players) 13:46:06 <Nachtigall> *** alberth has left the game (leaving) 13:46:10 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 13:46:30 <frosch123> oil, wood, manufac supply? 13:46:31 <frosch123> good? 13:46:49 <frosch123> two easy cargos, one hard :) 13:47:03 <andythenorth> fine by me 13:47:11 <Alberth> ok 13:47:13 <andythenorth> manufac supply is interesting 13:47:15 <andythenorth> lots of sources 13:48:07 <frosch123> !rcon load ncg20120826_2 13:48:11 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 13:48:19 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 13:48:23 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual) 13:48:26 <frosch123> !rcon pause 13:48:26 <Nachtigall> frosch123: unpause 13:48:26 <Nachtigall> frosch123: Game is already unpaused. 13:48:27 <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (manual) 13:48:31 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (manual) 13:48:34 <frosch123> !rcon set min_active_clients 5 13:48:34 <Nachtigall> frosch123: unpause 13:48:34 <Nachtigall> frosch123: Game is already unpaused. 13:48:36 <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players) 13:49:24 <frosch123> what industries produce manufac supply? 13:50:28 <andythenorth> industry chain view tells you 13:50:37 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 13:50:50 <frosch123> how to open that for a cargo? :p 13:51:06 <andythenorth> find a bakery or such 13:51:16 <andythenorth> then get the view, then click the cargo you want 13:51:34 <andythenorth> or I tell you ;) 13:51:38 <andythenorth> Metal Workshop 13:51:44 <andythenorth> Paper Mill 13:51:49 <andythenorth> Plastics Plant 13:51:53 <andythenorth> Glass Works 13:51:56 <frosch123> so, forest -> paper mill wood work? 13:52:01 <andythenorth> Recycling Plant (not available) 13:52:04 <andythenorth> yes that will work 13:52:08 <andythenorth> give me 5 mins to finish committing 13:52:10 <andythenorth> you can plan :) 13:52:16 <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving) 13:52:32 <frosch123> ok, so we should start with forest -> papermill :) 13:52:38 <frosch123> and oil 13:52:58 <andythenorth> oil -> refinery -> chemicals -> plastics plant -> mnsp 13:53:10 <andythenorth> also chemicals -> paper mill -> mnsp 13:54:16 <Alberth> Keningwell paper mill? 13:54:28 <frosch123> can you put a sign? 13:55:04 <Alberth> done 13:55:11 <frosch123> yay, 3 forests in range 13:55:14 <frosch123> looks nice 13:55:52 <andythenorth> commits done 13:55:53 <andythenorth> brb 13:55:59 <Alberth> f4 - mill first? 13:56:21 <Alberth> oh, no hurries, it is still paused :) 13:56:37 <frosch123> f3 has more production 13:57:57 <Alberth> ok, doesn't matter much 13:59:01 <frosch123> hmm, this are so few industries, it might not be enough for 3 players 13:59:32 <frosch123> we'll see how hard it will be to get the secondary stuff :) 13:59:46 <andythenorth> k game on :) 14:00:04 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 14:00:14 <frosch123> start? 14:00:28 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> what a lot of industries :) 14:00:32 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> compared to default :P 14:00:41 <frosch123> only 6 forests :p 14:00:56 <Alberth> busy labeling oil wells 14:01:06 <frosch123> let's start 14:01:08 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> there's a forest at West of map 14:01:14 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> which is near a sawmill 14:01:18 <frosch123> !rcon set min_active_clients 3 14:01:20 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 14:01:20 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and miles from paper mills 14:01:24 <frosch123> paper mill only! 14:01:34 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> strict rules :P 14:01:39 <Alberth> find the paper mill sign andy :) 14:01:59 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> you're doing the dump-to-one-industry thing? 14:02:09 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'd dump to nearest, but hey I'm easy :P 14:02:20 <Alberth> not necessarily, but you have to start somewhere 14:02:44 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we *will* need a money maker :) 14:03:03 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> subsisdies with PAX & ships can be great for money 14:03:25 <frosch123> let's see how much this wood train earns 14:03:31 <Alberth> just 1 track ? 14:03:41 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Funtburg Springs: oil wells next to refiney 14:04:02 <frosch123> i always start singletrack 14:04:06 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> +1 14:04:09 <frosch123> until there are at least 3 trains 14:04:25 <Alberth> tedhattan oil refinery in the center ? 14:04:45 <Alberth> or dintford at the east 14:04:45 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I've just started supplying Kendworth 14:05:09 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> there are 3 wells that can supply Kendworth 14:05:09 <Alberth> ok, let's do that for a few then 14:06:25 <frosch123> might have choosen the wrong engine though 14:09:07 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ah 14:09:19 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> if we had improved station rating on this would be easier 14:09:25 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's a FIRS parameter :) 14:09:29 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> nvm 14:09:31 <frosch123> cheating 14:10:15 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> money is low :) 14:10:30 <Alberth> yeah, can't buy an engine :( 14:10:35 <frosch123> yup, neither me :) 14:10:43 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'm not trying to build right now 14:10:51 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> so when we have money - go ahead ;) 14:10:57 <frosch123> don't build tracks at least :) 14:11:04 <frosch123> enough tracks for too few trains :p 14:11:26 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> someone is building tracks via Sinningley? 14:11:48 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> those can move metal to Funtburg Springs Metal Workshop too 14:11:54 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> once I have metal running :P 14:12:20 <frosch123> Alberth: does the newspaper work for you meanwhile? 14:12:23 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I swear the totals double count :P 14:12:44 <Alberth> frosch123: yes it does 14:13:13 <Alberth> I am looking at the insanely long oil trams :) 14:13:55 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> someone bought a train? :) 14:14:01 <frosch123> yup :p 14:14:36 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trucks are expensive :o 14:16:10 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fr0sch: do you want to upgrade that silly train? :) 14:16:20 <frosch123> i want to buy more wagons :p 14:16:26 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> exactly 14:17:09 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> this will be too easy :) 14:17:12 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we're going to win it 14:17:30 <frosch123> who knows about manufac stuff :p 14:17:33 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> if we ever have any money :P 14:17:59 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> a better train 14:17:59 <Yexo> playing nocargoal again? 14:18:03 <frosch123> yes 14:18:04 <Alberth> andythenorth: I still have not bought any engine :p 14:18:06 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yarp 14:18:15 <frosch123> Alberth: go, next one for you :) 14:18:15 <Yexo> too bad I don't have time to join 14:18:34 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :o trains are expensive too 14:19:08 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> alberth: the route is flat, buy the cheap train 14:19:20 <frosch123> cs2400 is best i guess 14:19:32 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> buy the MJS thing 14:19:36 <frosch123> cheapst and most powerfull 14:19:37 <Alberth> I was thinking wills-2-8-0 14:19:48 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> then when we have money, make it haul scrap metal to steel mill instead (short route) 14:19:54 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> wills is ok 14:20:16 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I need to buy more trucks 14:20:36 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> done 14:21:55 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we are wasting supplies at Keningwell mill 14:22:17 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> a ship can haul them out to Wuston dairy 14:22:20 <frosch123> find an industry which accept it :p 14:22:20 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> cheap 14:22:29 <frosch123> you know the chain best :) 14:22:43 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I need about 60k I think 14:22:58 <frosch123> Alberth: what's you train status? 14:23:13 <Alberth> it's moving to the refinery for the first time 14:23:20 <frosch123> need more? 14:23:35 <Alberth> would be nice, one is too few imho 14:23:50 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> the ship I need is 98k 14:23:58 <frosch123> my train is 40k :) 14:23:59 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ach I'll buy the cheap one 14:24:05 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> buy the train? 14:24:21 <Alberth> supplies is a bigger problem 14:24:31 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> buy the ship in that case 14:24:33 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oil is done :P 14:24:37 <frosch123> do supplies pay good? 14:24:49 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> not too bad 14:24:59 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'm buying the ship... 14:26:05 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fr0sch: clay from Great Tronfingley clay pit will increase MNSP production at paper mill 14:26:58 <frosch123> ok, will be enxt 14:27:41 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> the lime kiln will also make chemicals from coal near there 14:28:12 <frosch123> and farm supplies? 14:28:24 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yeah, but ignore those ;) 14:28:42 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> that subsidy is worth having :O 14:28:45 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'm doing that 14:28:56 <frosch123> would be just a short tram route to the forest 14:28:59 <frosch123> for the farm supplies 14:30:51 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> money money money 14:30:54 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> where are you :P 14:31:09 <frosch123> need more wood trains :) 14:31:20 <Alberth> yeah :) 14:31:35 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> fr0sch: the line you just built - use it to haul stone to the lime kiln 14:31:43 <frosch123> i didn't build any line 14:31:47 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I would plan for a very congested route there :P 14:31:50 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> must be alberth 14:32:04 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Runfingwell City forest 14:33:38 * Alberth is guilty :) 14:34:06 <frosch123> i am still wating for money for the next train :) 14:34:10 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> +lots 14:34:24 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trucks are bad value 14:34:30 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 13k cost, low profit 14:34:50 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> train pays cost back in about 18months, truck is about 4 years 14:35:33 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oil is so done :P 14:35:48 <Alberth> we'd need to double the tracks of the south wood line for the stone? 14:35:54 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes 14:36:04 <frosch123> it's almost doubled 14:36:04 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and we can get chemicals, mnsp, and coal on them 14:36:12 <frosch123> but i want more trains before more tracks :p 14:36:48 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> can we do stone next? 14:36:53 <Alberth> and we are broke again :) 14:37:03 <frosch123> stone looks fine 14:37:07 <frosch123> no addtional tracks :) 14:37:09 <frosch123> *hardly 14:39:34 <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth waits for next train to arrive :| 14:40:45 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's not a big quarry, use a cheap train? 14:41:52 <Alberth> I was considering that :) 14:42:23 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> just do the cheapest 14:42:29 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> swap it to haul out FMSP later 14:43:43 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> trucks to somewhere? 14:43:50 <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth notices a roadstop 14:44:17 <frosch123> we need another ship 14:44:23 <frosch123> too few manufac transprot 14:44:29 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I know :( 14:44:32 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> no money :P 14:44:51 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> mnsp pickup is Keningwell docks btw 14:45:00 <frosch123> oh crap, you build a separate station 14:45:03 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> not Keningwell west ;) 14:45:07 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> sorry :) 14:45:17 <frosch123> now i screwed up the acceptance :p 14:45:20 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> change of strategy 14:45:21 <frosch123> need to merge them 14:45:28 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> scrap the ship 14:45:34 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> take MNSP to the windmill near the lime kiln 14:45:40 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> use cheap train 14:46:02 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I'll sell the ship after it has delivered 14:46:54 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> how to do pickup platforms at Keningwell mill? 14:47:34 <frosch123> where? 14:47:50 <frosch123> you mean kenningwell west? 14:47:54 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Keningwell west 14:47:56 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes 14:48:08 <frosch123> i only build the rv to cheat the rating 14:48:13 <frosch123> because it dropped below 30% 14:48:35 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> someone build a MNSP train? :) 14:48:43 <frosch123> where to transport mnsp to now? 14:48:52 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> Dartfield grain mill 14:48:59 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's connected 14:49:09 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we're about to get 35k from scrapping the ship 14:49:19 <Alberth> more stone? 14:49:33 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> not until mnsp is moving 14:49:36 <frosch123> ok, i'll build the mnsp station then 14:49:46 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> money money 14:49:49 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> is here 14:51:43 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> bigger station? :) 14:52:17 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> do these trains refit? 14:55:45 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> can the stone train auto-refit? 14:55:51 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> buy menu doesn't say 14:55:57 <Alberth> I don't know 14:56:29 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yes it can 14:56:43 <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth has a plan with trams 14:56:49 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oh nvm 14:56:55 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I was going to save the cost of a clay train 14:57:10 <frosch123> no clay train? 15:08:12 <frosch123> you built too few stone trains, didn't you? 15:08:39 <Alberth> you can add a second one :) 15:08:48 <frosch123> did so :) 15:09:27 <Alberth> oil to the Tedhattan refinery (about center), and then petrol the machine shop a bit south 15:09:48 <Alberth> and then the engineering supplies to somewhere? :) 15:10:15 <Alberth> oh nvm, wrong supplies 15:10:29 <frosch123> aren't we already transporting them? 15:10:44 <Alberth> just 5000 units now 15:11:57 <frosch123> 6 years to go :p 15:13:04 <frosch123> wow, no money 15:13:08 <frosch123> someone bought a ship? 15:13:39 <Alberth> andy is doing stuff :) 15:15:50 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ` 15:16:19 <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth had toddler interruption 15:16:59 <Alberth> f1 -> paper mill and back to the grain mill? 15:18:00 <frosch123> just build :) 15:18:16 <frosch123> usually we should have enough money now 15:19:14 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> aaa 15:19:18 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oops 15:19:36 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> need to move chemicals from Great Tronfingley limie kiln to paper mill 15:19:46 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I don't want to mess up the station layout... 15:20:32 <frosch123> just add another platform 15:20:37 <frosch123> and feed it from the back 15:22:20 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 5 years? 15:22:58 <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (general timeout) 15:22:58 <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (connection lost) 15:22:58 <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players) 15:23:02 <Nachtigall> *** Game still paused (number of players) 15:23:02 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 15:30:44 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I like this frantic phase :) 15:33:13 <frosch123> ah, those trucks are so expensive :p 15:33:20 <frosch123> i wondered where all the money is going 15:33:27 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> all RVs are too expensive in this game 15:33:37 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> HEQS I usually play with 1/2 buy cost 15:33:43 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I should fix that permanently :P 15:35:22 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> hmm 15:35:35 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we'll make it :P 15:53:47 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> think we've won yet? 15:55:03 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> we're doing about 1k supplies per month I think 15:55:03 <Alberth> looks like it :) 15:55:11 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I swear it over-counts :P 15:55:48 <frosch123> the mfsp production varies a lot 15:55:53 <frosch123> 280 some months 15:55:56 <frosch123> 80 some other months 15:56:00 <frosch123> at the paper mill 15:56:05 <frosch123> i guess similiar at the other places 15:56:09 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> depends what else gets delivered 15:56:19 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> cargos combine to produce more output... 15:57:17 <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth upgrades a train or 2 15:57:33 <frosch123> i already removed all steamers 15:57:36 <frosch123> only cs2400 15:57:58 <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth wants some centenials 15:58:01 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 70mph 15:58:06 <Alberth> in that case you missed one frosch123 :) 15:58:27 <frosch123> Alberth: that one is newer 15:58:39 <frosch123> andythenorth: cs2400 is just as fast 15:58:42 <frosch123> 112 km/h 15:58:46 <Alberth> :) 15:58:52 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> oh yes 15:58:56 <frosch123> and 2400 is way cheaper 15:59:13 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> not if you have 2x2400 15:59:19 <Nachtigall> * andythen0rth did that :P 16:00:09 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ho ho 16:00:27 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> should we have had a harder goal? 16:00:40 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 100k would be really hard here 16:00:58 <frosch123> according to news we produced 800 mfsp ni one month 16:01:52 <frosch123> i think it counts at least double :p 16:01:58 <frosch123> maybe pickup and delivery 16:02:01 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> are we about to win? 16:02:05 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I think it counts double 16:02:11 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> I think it counts town and industry 16:02:18 <Alberth> pickup and delivery sounds plausible 16:02:20 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and I think town counts industry within catchment 16:02:30 <frosch123> town and industry sounds even more plausible 16:02:36 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> how is cargo 'delivered' to a town? 16:02:40 <Alberth> indeed 16:02:56 <frosch123> station always delivers to town in station sign 16:03:03 <frosch123> independent of any industry taking it as well 16:03:08 <Alberth> just like a subsidy, to a station 'near enough' 16:03:09 <frosch123> anyway, won 16:03:09 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> so counting both... 16:03:15 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> have a look at the GS code ;) 16:03:21 <frosch123> 9 years, instead of 11 16:03:23 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> \o/ 16:03:25 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> winners 16:03:31 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> except for double count 16:03:34 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> :P 16:03:40 <Alberth> so we are 1/2 way :p 16:04:17 <frosch123> we can get back to the original 50k goal 16:05:13 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> play on ? 16:05:15 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> or stop ? 16:05:24 <frosch123> play for 50k imo 16:05:28 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> k 16:13:17 <Alberth> I don't know the industry chains sufficiently :) 16:13:32 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> sand -> glassworks is good for mfsp 16:19:47 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> 9 months :O 16:20:02 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> having a baby seems to take longer than this 16:20:23 <Alberth> a baby takes 12 years or so :p 16:20:44 <frosch123> :p 16:26:16 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> \o/ 16:26:43 <frosch123> i think we set the wrong goals :p 16:27:04 <frosch123> we know better next time 16:27:06 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ' 16:27:10 <Alberth> better too low than too high 16:27:14 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> it's a lot more brain-aching with FIRS :) 16:27:37 <Alberth> many more paths in the chains :) 16:27:43 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> yup 16:28:03 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> one spine track can also have a lot more cargos going along it... 16:28:11 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> optimising trains with FIRS is hard 16:28:17 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> hence I use ships + RVs :P 16:28:32 <Alberth> how is it hard? 16:28:59 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> lot of connections and combinations of routes 16:29:09 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and the industries tend to be in the way of stations :P 16:29:19 <Alberth> :) 16:29:29 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> if we played longer, we'd start delivering supplies 16:29:41 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> then our 99t forests would be 600t forests 16:29:49 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> and we'd flood our network with trains 16:30:08 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> ok so that was still fun 16:30:14 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> but I'd like a new GS now :P 16:30:20 <Nachtigall> <andythen0rth> game over here? 16:30:26 <Alberth> ok 16:30:33 <Nachtigall> *** andythen0rth has left the game (leaving) 16:30:33 <Nachtigall> *** Game paused (number of players) 16:30:47 <Nachtigall> *** alberth has left the game (leaving) 16:31:09 <andythenorth> thanks for that game 16:31:26 <frosch123> !rcon min_active_clients 1 16:31:26 <Nachtigall> frosch123: ERROR: command not found 16:31:31 <frosch123> !rcon set min_active_clients 1 16:31:31 <Nachtigall> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 16:31:33 <andythenorth> any post-game comments? 16:31:48 <frosch123> the double cargo thing should be fixed :) 16:32:28 <frosch123> no, the game is officially finished :p 16:32:31 <frosch123> *now 16:32:56 <frosch123> we failed the 60k goal :p 16:33:15 <frosch123> !rcon set min_active_clients 10 16:33:42 <andythenorth> we could have won it :) 16:33:49 <andythenorth> should have moved sand earlier :) 16:34:02 <frosch123> no idea, what does sand do? :p 16:34:02 * andythenorth ponders writing GS 16:34:08 <andythenorth> goes to glass works 16:34:11 <andythenorth> makes MFSP 16:34:17 <andythenorth> 8:6 ratio 16:34:25 <andythenorth> pretty handy 16:34:29 <andythenorth> we'd have got oil and wood easily 16:34:51 <andythenorth> all the MP games I've played, we start moving the easiest / most-availale cargo first 16:34:59 <andythenorth> should move the hardest / least available first 16:35:15 <Nachtigall> *** fr0sch has left the game (leaving) 16:35:20 * andythenorth is one of those people who eats all vegetables before meat :P 16:35:28 <andythenorth> because vegetables are very boring, and more so when cold :P 16:35:44 <andythenorth> hmm 16:35:54 <andythenorth> work, or write a GS, or play another game? :P 16:38:57 <frosch123> i am not available for a second game 16:39:02 <frosch123> one is enough :) 16:39:09 <andythenorth> I don't want to play it too much either :) 16:39:21 <andythenorth> will lose the fun 16:41:09 <Alberth> time for some food :) 17:00:09 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:00:15 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 17:24:44 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:24:57 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.nightly 17:58:47 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.nightly 18:12:35 *** Alberth has left #openttdcoop.nightly 20:34:24 *** frosch123 has quit IRC