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00:00:07 <Bjarni> well, some of the time I have to spend on getting test subjects 00:00:11 <Vornicus> I can remember ten-digit numbers for years on end. 00:00:40 <Vornicus> and for a very long time I never took notes. 00:00:41 * Bjarni will go to the lab tomorrow 00:00:43 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:01:00 <Bjarni> right now it got a very simple mind as a test subject 00:01:09 <Bjarni> it can only handle one thing at a time 00:01:30 <Bjarni> we call it "PIC16" 00:01:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i meant more like: you have a table with x things on it, and can take only a short look 00:02:04 <Bjarni> bah, those tests 00:02:34 <Bjarni> it's more important to be able to read a text and then remember it 00:02:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it also works with dropdownmenus with x entrys ;) 00:02:58 <Bjarni> ahh 00:03:08 * Bjarni remembers the drop down menus well 00:03:37 <Bjarni> actually memory is not an issue 00:03:45 <Bjarni> just ask ln- ;) 00:04:38 <Eddi|zuHause> lol :) 00:04:56 <Eddi|zuHause> (i actually remember that statement ;)) 00:05:40 <Bjarni> from where? 00:05:51 <Eddi|zuHause> from a week ago or something... 00:06:03 <Bjarni> according to Bill Gates, you should not need more than 640k 00:06:05 <Eddi|zuHause> in this channel 00:06:24 <Bjarni> I said that memory is not an issue a whole lot of times 00:06:30 <Bjarni> it's cheap 00:06:35 <Eddi|zuHause> right, and according to that IBM manager there's a worldmarket of about 5 computers ;) 00:06:41 <Bjarni> sacrifice RAM for lower CPU usage 00:07:04 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has joined #openttd 00:07:22 *** glx_ [n=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"] 00:09:14 <Eddi|zuHause> and someone also said that computers might be under 5 tonnes at some time ;) 00:09:51 <Bjarni> don't spread those lies 00:10:25 <Eddi|zuHause> it's in the internet, it must be true!# 00:10:26 <Bjarni> it's against the laws of physics 00:10:43 *** glx_ [n=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 00:10:50 <Bjarni> just like heavier than air aircrafts 00:10:56 <Bjarni> it will never happen 00:11:10 <Bjarni> physically impossible 00:11:15 <SpComb> hmm? 00:11:34 <SpComb> a-ha 00:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause> and now you want to tell me about warp speed? 00:12:17 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2E0AB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:12:18 *** dp_ is now known as dp-- 00:14:36 <Bjarni> well, that will be possible not too far into the future 00:14:42 <Bjarni> didn't you see Star Trek? 00:15:52 <Bjarni> only question is: how do you build a spaceship in orbit when you can't launch from Earth with anything that is heavier than air 00:15:54 <Bjarni> hmm 00:16:00 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 00:16:21 <SpComb> hot air baloons with propulsion rockets 00:16:53 <Bjarni> ... 00:16:55 <Bjarni> not good 00:17:03 <Bjarni> the hydrogen will simply burn 00:17:13 <SpComb> not if you do it cleverly 00:17:22 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: you got a problem there.... anything lighter than air leaves earth immediately ;) 00:17:34 <Eddi|zuHause> so you cannot use it for lifting anything 00:17:40 * SpComb doesn't know the background here, though 00:18:04 <Eddi|zuHause> what background? 00:18:17 *** glx_ [n=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby"] 00:18:26 *** glx_ [n=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 00:18:39 <Vornicus> why would the hydrogen just burn? 00:18:59 <Vornicus> Also, if your only lifting ability is bouyancy, you won't make it to orbit. 00:19:13 <Bjarni> hydrogen balloons with rockets attached to the sides of them 00:19:18 <Bjarni> accidents will happen 00:19:36 <Bjarni> ahh 00:19:38 <Bjarni> new idea 00:19:46 <Bjarni> you will need a really large spring 00:19:51 <SpComb> aha! 00:19:57 <Bjarni> that can push you into orbit 00:19:59 <SpComb> why not a lot of gunpoweder and some strong material? 00:20:07 <Bjarni> then you can build your spaceship in orbit 00:20:16 <Vornicus> And you know perfectly well that combustion chambers and fuel can be isolated from one another. 00:20:18 <Bjarni> and go to warp speed 00:20:25 <Eddi|zuHause> you can just build a tower that is high enough to touch the sky 00:20:27 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-7361.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:20:37 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: NASA got a plan to do that 00:20:40 <Bjarni> for real 00:20:43 *** glx_ [n=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 00:20:45 <SpComb> and then? 00:21:02 <Bjarni> then they got an elevator to reach orbit 00:21:09 <Bjarni> much cheaper than rockets 00:21:18 <SpComb> load the elevator onto a space ship and then take off? 00:21:24 <SpComb> or is that cheating 00:21:31 <Bjarni> did anybody say cheap satellite services? 00:21:44 <Bjarni> no, a spy elevator for real 00:21:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i fail to see the "cheap" in there... 00:22:05 <Bjarni> one end is on the ground and the other end is a satellite 00:22:06 <SpComb> why make those silly things go around the outside of the earth.. it would be a lot more efficient to make them gon on the other side of the earths surface 00:22:10 <Bjarni> electric powered 00:22:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the maintenance of such a building must be insane 00:22:14 <SpComb> why, they could cover far larger areas 00:22:20 * SpComb draws diagrams 00:22:59 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> the maintenance of such a building must be insane <-- they are not stupid... they just want a really strong cable that some sort of wagon can travel on 00:23:26 <Bjarni> powered by solar panels that gets the energy from a laser beam on the ground 00:23:27 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't change much, really 00:23:34 <SpComb> and the emergency stairs? 00:23:45 <SpComb> doesn't the law require emergency stairs in case of fire? 00:23:54 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 00:24:13 <Bjarni> it's a .gov 00:24:17 <Bjarni> they don't care about laws 00:24:20 <Vornicus> no, see. 00:24:29 <Vornicus> The space elevator isn't a building. 00:24:39 <SpComb> it's still a elevator 00:25:37 <ln-> it is *very* likely not to be categorized as an elevator 00:25:46 <Vornicus> and it's not exactly an elevator, either. 00:26:03 <ln-> although it goes up and down, it's a lot different from all other elevators. 00:27:00 <ln-> e.g. the fact that it goes beyond the earth atmosphere is quite a distinctive feature from the elevators i've seen. 00:27:47 <Eddi|zuHause> since when was "within earth's atmosphere" part of the definition of elevator? 00:28:59 <SpComb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Express_Lift_Tower 00:29:00 <SpComb> hah 00:29:02 <SpComb> heh 00:29:20 <SpComb> that's funny 00:30:38 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: until you provide a reference to something that defines an elevator, we will have to assume it is defined to be within the atmosphere. 00:31:23 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: and indeed, something that defines an elevator in the context where regulations on emergency stairs & stuff apply to it. 00:34:07 <ln-> i bet the regulations are about elevators in buildings, not elevators as separate constructions. 00:37:59 <Vornicus> Indeed. 00:44:34 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:44:35 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca260.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:49:36 *** Matt-W_ [i=maw@wonky.org.uk] has joined #openttd 00:53:28 *** glx_ [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 00:54:52 *** _gass_ [n=any@81.84.150.188] has joined #openttd 00:55:02 <_gass_> hello there 00:58:08 *** Matt-W [i=maw@growl/Matt-W] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:00:42 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B357D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 01:03:41 *** glx_ [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"] 01:04:26 *** glx_ [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined 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executable, languages, and openttd grf 02:27:57 <_gass_> where can i see instructions to test them? 02:28:16 <_gass_> glx: that's waht i want, openttd grf 02:28:32 <_gass_> glx: openttd are replacing original grafics, right? 02:28:50 <glx> still not done 02:29:02 <glx> you need original grf for now 02:29:36 <_gass_> i saw that there were some of them already made 02:29:56 <glx> oh I just understand, you mean the graphics from graphics forum 02:30:24 <_gass_> some were in the wiki 02:31:04 <glx> link? 02:31:05 *** csuke [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:31:38 *** csuke [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 02:31:46 <_gass_> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/GFXDev:Main_Page 02:31:53 <_gass_> here is the index 02:32:19 <_gass_> here are some 02:32:19 <_gass_> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Graphics_Replacement 02:32:47 <glx> ok this page is just a place to know what is done and what is not 02:33:08 <glx> but it's still WIP 02:33:37 <_gass_> WIP? 02:33:48 <glx> work in progress 02:34:40 <_gass_> oh 02:34:52 <_gass_> i thought some of them were available right now 02:38:01 <glx> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/GRF_list <-- those should work in openttd 02:38:22 <glx> but I didn't tried myself 02:38:27 <_gass_> glx: here is some nice stuff ... ehehe http://www.ewetel.net/~michael.blunck/ttd/puzzles.html 02:39:57 <_gass_> ok, ok ... thanks 02:49:20 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-11048.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 03:10:05 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 03:18:11 *** Matt-W [i=maw@growl/Matt-W] has joined #openttd 03:25:50 *** Matt-W_ [i=maw@wonky.org.uk] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 03:33:30 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 03:41:48 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 03:42:06 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined 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*** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-10425.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 14:16:47 <Uatec> i'm trying to compile on a linux, but for some reason, when i type make, i get "You need to have SDL installed in order to run OpenTTD on UNIX. Use DEDICATED if you want to compile a CLI based server. Stop." 14:16:55 <Uatec> this makes no sense, because I do have SDL installed 14:17:08 <glx> do you have sdl-devel? 14:17:23 <Uatec> yes, i do, these machines are uni development machines 14:17:36 <Uatec> however it is not installed properly 14:17:54 <Uatec> i.e. sdl-config is not in the path, so i have modified the line that refers to sdl-config in the make file 14:18:05 <Uatec> to what i know to be correct, but it still does nto work 14:18:42 <glx> in Makefile.config, do you have set WITH_SDL? 14:19:07 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37110.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:19:21 <Uatec> err, there is no Makefile.config 14:19:39 <glx> it is created when you run make 14:19:45 <Uatec> hrm... 14:19:51 <Uatec> well, make doesn't get that far 14:23:00 <Tron> make SDL-CONFIG=$path_to_your_sdl_config 14:23:43 <Uatec> WTF? 14:23:46 <Uatec> that persuaded it 14:23:47 <Uatec> thanks 14:25:09 *** tank_ is now known as tank 14:25:10 <Tron> np 14:28:57 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] 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connection] 18:57:42 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B8433E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:59:27 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 19:03:12 *** iridium [n=iridium@host-84-9-199-48.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 19:04:26 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.85.67] has joined #openttd 19:08:29 *** Plnt_ [n=someone@goodspeed.vscht.cz] has joined #openttd 19:09:02 <Brianetta> Is there any reason why my server is listening on 65535 despite being told to listen on 3979? 19:10:09 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B8495D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:10:17 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B8495D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:10:36 <Tron> could be an undocumented feature 19:10:50 <Brianetta> It's an undocumented annoyance which has bene plaguing my server for a week 19:11:04 <Brianetta> dbg: [NET] Listening on 84.18.203.130:65535 19:11:40 <peter1138> could be dv's changes... 19:11:40 <Tron> is the port really 65535 or is the display just wrong? 19:11:47 <Brianetta> It's real 19:11:51 <Brianetta> It's real annoying 19:12:00 *** glx is now known as glx|away 19:12:02 <Tron> BE or LE? 19:12:07 <peter1138> dbg: [NET][UDP] Listening on port 195.112.37.102:65535 19:12:10 <peter1138> same here... 19:12:21 <Brianetta> Tron: huh? 19:12:24 <peter1138> server_port = 65535 19:12:25 <peter1138> hmmz 19:12:31 <Tron> endianess 19:12:34 <Brianetta> IUntel 19:12:49 <peter1138> changing it in the config doesn't affect it -- it resets to 65535 on save 19:12:53 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7D9F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["http://mir.ist-langweilig.de/oh_man.jpg/"] 19:13:01 <Tron> settings.c: SDTG_VAR("server_port", SLE_UINT16, S, 0, _network_server_port, NETWORK_DEFAULT_PORT, 0, -1,STR_NULL, NULL), 19:13:01 * peter1138 points again at Darkvater :) 19:13:01 <Brianetta> peter1138: This isn't new 19:13:04 <Tron> network.h:VARDEF uint _network_server_port; 19:13:07 <Tron> any questions? 19:13:14 <Brianetta> bobingabout alerted me to it 19:13:28 <peter1138> Brianetta: no, it's a few days old... 19:14:56 <peter1138> i should update my server more often... i'd notice it them 19:15:11 <peter1138> ... 19:15:17 <peter1138> "i'd've noticed it then" 19:17:08 <Tron> peter1138: would you test if fixing the obvious bug helps? 19:18:04 <Brianetta> Might want to check restart_date too 19:18:08 <peter1138> -VARDEF uint _network_server_port; 19:18:08 <peter1138> +VARDEF uint16 _network_server_port; 19:18:09 <peter1138> that? 19:18:20 <Brianetta> A player yesterday was telling me my servert restarted the game every year 19:18:21 <Tron> that's possible, too 19:18:44 <Brianetta> Some magic numbers are Good Things 19:18:50 <ln-> does someone have an opinion about this patch? http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/window-centering-with-twinview.diff 19:19:08 <Brianetta> ln-: Yes 19:19:33 <hylje> :) 19:19:58 *** Plnt [n=someone@goodspeed.vscht.cz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:19:58 <peter1138> - SDTG_VAR("server_port", SLE_UINT16, S, 0, _network_server_port, NETWORK_DEFAULT_PORT, 0, -1,STR_NULL, NULL), 19:20:02 <peter1138> + SDTG_VAR("server_port", SLE_UINT16, S, 0, _network_server_port, NETWORK_DEFAULT_PORT, 0, 65535,STR_NULL, NULL), 19:20:05 <peter1138> that works 19:20:11 <ln-> its function is to keep the windows and bars on the left when the screen is wide enough. 19:20:13 <peter1138> uint -> uint16 also a good idea 19:20:45 <peter1138> fuck 19:20:48 <peter1138> 19:23!? 19:20:57 <Tron> 19:23? 19:21:26 <ln-> peter1138, adjust your clock. 19:23:12 <peter1138> Tron: still at work o_O 19:23:20 <peter1138> gonna be killed 19:23:32 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r3775 /trunk/ (network.h settings.c): Fix loading of server_port from config file, introduced in Darkvater's unified configuration changes (r3719+) 19:23:36 <Tron> 1. look for a door 19:23:37 <hylje> "work" 19:23:40 <Tron> 2. go through it 19:23:41 <hylje> rly 19:23:45 <Tron> 3. if not outside, go to 1 19:23:46 <hylje> Tron: id open the door at 2.5 19:24:08 <Tron> nah, real men don't open doors 19:24:14 <hylje> :] 19:24:22 *** tank_ is now known as tank 19:25:21 *** DjViper- [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 19:26:47 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:27:05 *** DjViper- is now known as DjViper 19:27:09 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 19:37:12 <Tron> err... 19:37:26 <Tron> there are 3 or so functions to get the other tunnel entrance tile 19:37:50 *** iridium [n=iridium@host-84-9-199-48.bulldogdsl.com] has quit ["Hi. 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20:00:32 <Diablo-D3> ghosts are clients that are no longer connected 20:00:38 <AlexFili> um 20:00:40 <AlexFili> afkers? :S 20:00:46 <Diablo-D3> idlers. 20:00:49 <Diablo-D3> and idling is good 20:00:52 <hylje> idlekick is the sux 20:00:52 <AlexFili> lol 20:01:00 <AlexFili> but 20:01:07 <AlexFili> how are u meant to tell how full this room is? :S 20:01:10 <Diablo-D3> there wouldnt be a channel if people didnt idle here. 20:01:23 <Diablo-D3> the more people who idle in a channel, the more popular that project is 20:01:24 <AlexFili> id rather there be 5 people 20:01:26 <hylje> rarely i have anything worthwhile to say but watching other people talk is sometimes interesting 20:01:26 <AlexFili> then 50 idlers 20:01:51 <hylje> you should set up your client to hide people idle for 5 min 20:01:58 <hylje> should be possible with some scripting 20:02:03 <AlexFili> lol no thanks 20:02:05 <AlexFili> that takes effort 20:02:14 <hylje> then dont ask others to do that :] 20:02:19 <AlexFili> lol 20:02:26 <AlexFili> im hosting a toyland game in 1950s if anyone is interested 20:02:35 <hylje> unless the place to ask is a request board/list 20:04:29 <AlexFili> hylje, Diablo-D3, WANT TO PLAY? 20:04:40 <hylje> not at this time 20:04:43 <AlexFili> k 20:04:48 <hylje> and besides i dont fancy online ottd 20:04:50 <Diablo-D3> NO I DONT WANT TO PLAY 20:04:50 <Diablo-D3> AND YOU SHOULDNT USE CAPS 20:04:51 <Diablo-D3> IT MEANS YOU'RE YELLING 20:04:59 <hylje> ! means yelling 20:05:00 <Diablo-D3> SO STOP YELLING 20:05:01 <AlexFili> why not hylje? 20:05:22 <hylje> singleplayer is funnier with less people torpedoing my plans 20:05:29 <AlexFili> im a nice person 20:05:33 <AlexFili> i wouldnt torpedo you 20:05:49 <hylje> i could believe that 20:05:56 <AlexFili> really! im a nice person :D 20:06:01 <hylje> yes really 20:06:02 <AlexFili> i'd even give money if you were in trouble 20:08:33 *** AlexFili2 [n=AlexFili@host86-143-18-111.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:08:48 <AlexFili2> Anyone want to play openTTD on toyland at 1951? 20:10:02 <Prof_Frink> ewwwwwww, toyland :\ 20:10:19 <AlexFili2> whats wrong? :o 20:10:23 <AlexFili2> u dont like it? 20:10:42 <Prof_Frink> Who does? 20:10:51 <AlexFili2> i like the look of the trains and roads :p 20:11:00 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit ["I seem to be off"] 20:11:03 <AlexFili2> i could change to temperate if you want? 20:12:16 <AlexFili2> interested? 20:12:26 <hylje> temperate k 20:12:31 <AlexFili2> alright then 20:12:34 <Prof_Frink> nope 20:12:53 <AlexFili2> its called AlexFili's Random Server 20:13:37 <hylje> cant see it .x 20:13:45 <AlexFili2> it should be there 20:15:06 <AlexFili2> "AlexFili's Random Server" 20:15:09 <AlexFili2> thats what i called it 20:16:13 <hylje> still not showing up on the list 20:16:15 <AlexFili2> hmm 20:16:17 <AlexFili2> i'll try rehosting 20:16:37 <AlexFili2> ok im hosting it again 20:17:49 <hylje> it seems to not show up even if i add your ips 20:18:00 <AlexFili2> :s 20:18:13 <AlexFili2> am i meant to host it on lan/internet, or internet (advertise)? 20:18:16 *** AlexFili2 [n=AlexFili@host86-143-18-111.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 20:18:38 <hylje> i believe internet, perhaps with advertise to make it show on the list 20:20:00 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit ["Connection not reset by peer."] 20:20:36 *** AlexFili2 [n=AlexFili@host86-143-18-111.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:20:40 <AlexFili2> hi again 20:20:46 <hylje> hi hi 20:20:55 <AlexFili2> so hylje, what options do i have to choose? 20:21:39 *** |VillageIdiot| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:21:44 <hylje> lan/internet is for priv servers which need to be added 20:21:53 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has quit [""Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness." - Terry Pratchett"] 20:21:57 <hylje> internet (advertise) is for pub servers which are listed 20:22:19 <AlexFili2> right 20:22:24 <AlexFili2> so i need that 2nd one then? 20:22:32 <hylje> likely 20:22:47 <AlexFili2> ok 20:24:10 <AlexFili2> thats odd 20:24:15 <AlexFili2> i opened another TTD 20:24:18 <AlexFili2> but i cant see my server on it 20:24:58 <hylje> firewall problems 20:25:14 <AlexFili2> i dont think so... 20:25:26 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 20:25:27 <AlexFili2> can you try hosting? 20:25:52 <hylje> no 20:25:56 <hylje> im behind nat 20:26:03 <AlexFili2> nat? 20:26:10 <hylje> network address translation 20:26:14 <hylje> look it up at wikipedia 20:26:16 <AlexFili2> k 20:26:33 <hylje> it sure explains it better than i ever could 20:26:42 <AlexFili2> lol 20:26:54 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host86-136-113-36.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:28:06 <AlexFili2> ok 20:28:08 <AlexFili2> ive hosted it again 20:28:12 <AlexFili2> dunno if it will come up or not 20:28:32 <CIA-5> tron * r3776 /trunk/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Replace many ints and magic numbers by Direction, DiagDirection and friends 20:31:02 *** DjViper- [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 20:31:04 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:31:30 *** DjViper- is now known as DjViper 20:31:55 <AlexFili2> what version do you have hylje 20:35:41 <AlexFili2> this is stupid 20:35:45 <AlexFili2> why the **** wont it work 20:41:13 *** Pipian [n=pipian@jacobi.stu.rpi.edu] has joined #openttd 20:45:13 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:46:58 *** orudge [n=orudge@res05-ocr2.res.st-and.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:48:56 <AlexFili2> can anyone help me host a multiplayer game? 20:51:48 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: what is the problem? 20:52:05 * Prof_Frink guesses port forwarding 20:52:18 <Prof_Frink> AlexFili2: are you behind a router? 20:52:31 <AlexFili2> TL|Away i cant seem to host a server 20:52:44 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: what goes wrong? 20:52:48 <AlexFili2> it doesnt give me an error when i click start server, but its not showing up in the master list 20:52:51 <TL|Away> okay, wrong question most likely :p 20:53:04 <TL|Away> okay, you are behind some firewall? 20:53:14 <AlexFili2> is there an easy way to find out? 20:53:19 <TL|Away> what is your IP? 20:53:22 <AlexFili2> 86.143.18.111 20:53:49 <TL|Away> hmmz, let me find a page to test ports 20:53:53 <AlexFili2> k 20:54:01 <AlexFili2> 3979 is the one i need right? 20:54:08 <TL|Away> tcp and udp 20:55:28 <CIA-5> tron * r3777 /trunk/ (11 files): Add some functions to handle tunnels 20:55:29 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: do you have a local LAN, or is your server directly connected to the internet? 20:55:38 <AlexFili2> well, i dont have a LAN 20:55:50 <AlexFili2> I used the Internet (advertise) option 20:55:54 <peter1138> are you using a recent nightly? 20:55:59 <AlexFili2> nope 20:56:05 <peter1138> k 20:56:08 *** orudge [n=orudge@res05-ocr2.res.st-and.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:57:12 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: the master-server never saw you under that IP :) 20:57:24 <AlexFili2> um yeah 20:57:24 <TL|Away> so, we go a bit deeper ;) AlexFili2: which OS? 20:57:26 <AlexFili2> thats the problem 20:57:30 <AlexFili2> Windows XP 20:57:34 <TL|Away> start openttd with -d 20:57:41 <TL|Away> then an extra window opens 20:57:42 <TL|Away> euh 20:57:42 <TL|Away> sorry 20:57:46 <TL|Away> openttd.exe -d net=6 20:57:49 <AlexFili2> k 20:57:50 <TL|Away> that opens an extra window 20:58:02 <TL|Away> now start the server again, make sure you use Internet, and enable Advertise 20:58:06 <AlexFili2> ah ok 20:58:08 <AlexFili2> i see it now 20:58:14 <TL|Away> you will see things happen in the debug-window 20:58:23 <TL|Away> showing that it is advertising 20:58:25 <TL|Away> right? 20:58:36 <AlexFili2> ok hosting 20:58:44 <AlexFili2> advertising to master server it says 20:58:51 <TL|Away> do you see anything coming back? 20:59:00 <TL|Away> or does it repeat itself 3 times, and then it silences? 20:59:07 <AlexFili2> ah 20:59:10 <AlexFili2> you hit the nail on the hammer 20:59:20 <TL|Away> If it repeats itself 3 times, and then nothing 20:59:26 <AlexFili2> yes, that is what happened 20:59:27 <TL|Away> it means a firewall is blocking the incoming connection 20:59:33 <AlexFili2> oh :( 20:59:38 <AlexFili2> any easy way to solve it? 21:00:02 <TL|Away> to assure our users that when they see a server on the internet, they are able to join, we check the server, before adding it to the list, if it can be reached from outside 21:00:03 <Prof_Frink> Turn off the firewall? 21:00:07 <TL|Away> to avoid listings of people like you ;) 21:00:19 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: what Prof_Frink says, or configure it to accept 3979 on TCP and UDP, incoming 21:00:29 <AlexFili2> Prof_Frink i didnt even f**king know i had one, so how the hell can i turn it off? 21:00:29 <TL|Away> and maybe, like my ISP, your ISP blocked it totally 21:00:46 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: no need to start talking like that 21:00:54 <AlexFili2> well, its true :S 21:00:55 <TL|Away> you won't get any faster to a solution 21:01:05 <TL|Away> we didn't do it to you, so keep it to yourself :) 21:01:10 <AlexFili2> lol 21:01:14 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: first, check if the WinXP firewall is active 21:01:17 <glx> win xp sp2 have a firewall enabled by default 21:01:24 <TL|Away> I am sure it is, WinXP SP2 assured that 21:01:35 <TL|Away> very nice piece of software, do all kinds of stuff without telling anyone 21:01:38 <glx> it blocks all incoming and allow all outcomming 21:01:44 <TL|Away> and then make commercials that they keep on securing your PC mroe and more 21:01:50 <TL|Away> my ass is also a nice place to secure for them 21:01:51 <AlexFili2> so um 21:02:05 <AlexFili2> where can i see my firewall settings? 21:02:05 <TL|Away> at least they admin that pre WinXP SP2 the security was 0.00 21:02:08 <TL|Away> that makes me happy 21:02:08 <TL|Away> but okay 21:02:17 <TL|Away> just my anti-WinXP campaign ;) 21:02:23 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: you can't, install linux ;) 21:02:25 <TL|Away> okay, kidding 21:02:30 <AlexFili2> :o 21:02:31 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656dbc.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 21:02:33 <TL|Away> Start -> Control Panel 21:02:33 <AlexFili2> u better be 21:02:38 <AlexFili2> ok im there 21:02:38 <TL|Away> Network 21:02:41 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["kwiet"] 21:02:50 <TL|Away> Right click LAN connection 21:02:52 <TL|Away> (or what ever) 21:02:54 <TL|Away> Properties 21:02:58 <TL|Away> Last tab 21:03:02 <TL|Away> (Advanced 21:03:07 <TL|Away> Settings 21:03:09 <TL|Away> that was the long way 21:03:24 <TL|Away> Next time just press Firewall on the Control Panel, and don't ask silly questions again ;) 21:03:30 <AlexFili2> what do i do from there? 21:03:37 <TL|Away> It is enabled? 21:03:50 <AlexFili2> what am i meant to be looking at 21:04:07 <AlexFili2> in advanced it just says a little line 21:04:11 <TL|Away> top items shows: Firewall 21:04:18 <AlexFili2> "windows firewall" protect my computer bla bla bla... 21:04:19 <TL|Away> right of it: Settings 21:04:31 <TL|Away> so, we press it 21:04:32 <AlexFili2> Windows bla bla bla connect to firewall service 21:04:43 <TL|Away> then you see a green and a red shield 21:04:46 <TL|Away> which one is selected 21:04:48 <AlexFili2> um 21:04:49 <AlexFili2> no i dont 21:04:57 <AlexFili2> mine comes up with a window 21:05:23 <TL|Away> and what does the window say? 21:05:28 <AlexFili2> "Windows firewall settings cannot be displayed because the associated service is not running. 21:05:33 <TL|Away> hmmz 21:05:37 <TL|Away> that would be the first 21:05:38 <TL|Away> funny 21:05:39 <AlexFili2> Do you want to start the Windows Firewall/Internet Connectiohn Sharing ICS Service? 21:05:43 <TL|Away> a user with a disabled Firewlal 21:05:46 <TL|Away> hehe: NOOOoooooooooooooooo 21:05:47 <AlexFili2> Yes/No 21:05:53 <AlexFili2> ? 21:05:59 *** |DorpsIdioot| [n=Jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 21:06:06 <TL|Away> remove some 'o's and you have your answer ;) 21:06:07 <AlexFili2> what? 21:06:11 <TL|Away> anyway, ZoneAlarm installed? 21:06:14 <TL|Away> any other firewall software? 21:06:18 <hylje> . 21:06:19 <AlexFili2> i dont think so 21:06:20 <TL|Away> McAffee Firewall? 21:06:24 <TL|Away> Norting Security blablabla 21:06:25 <AlexFili2> nothing like that 21:06:31 <TL|Away> A virus scanner? 21:06:41 *** |DorpsIdioot| [n=Jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has quit [Client Quit] 21:06:41 <AlexFili2> sophos, but it doesnt run in the backgrounds 21:06:50 <Belugas_Work> Router? 21:06:55 <AlexFili2> whats a router 21:07:00 <TL|Away> lol 21:07:03 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: ADSL? 21:07:04 <AlexFili2> if you mean a wireless connection to the internet, yes 21:07:09 <TL|Away> ............. 21:07:09 <TL|Away> oh my 21:07:10 <TL|Away> LOL! 21:07:15 <TL|Away> Okay, sorry, my mistake :) 21:07:17 <AlexFili2> is that important? 21:07:19 <TL|Away> So, you have a local LAN :) 21:07:20 <Belugas_Work> a box that is connected between your internet conenction and your computer 21:07:28 <AlexFili2> oh lol 21:07:30 <glx> port forwarding 21:07:31 <AlexFili2> well i guess you could call it that 21:07:42 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: does your pc itself have that IP you just gave me? 21:07:55 <AlexFili2> well, thats the IP my pc says 21:08:04 <AlexFili2> 86.143.18.111 21:08:06 <TL|Away> hmmz 21:08:18 <TL|Away> you have a box near your telephone line or what ever? 21:08:23 <AlexFili2> um 21:08:25 <TL|Away> that gave you wireless? 21:08:26 <AlexFili2> wireless router? 21:08:40 <TL|Away> something like that yes? 21:08:44 <AlexFili2> um 21:08:45 <AlexFili2> yeah 21:09:00 <TL|Away> Lol 21:09:04 <AlexFili2> but its not got tons of switches on it or anything 21:09:14 <AlexFili2> it just plugs the telephone line into the wireless connector 21:09:24 <AlexFili2> so, can you help me? :p 21:09:33 <TL|Away> Define: wireless connector? 21:09:37 <AlexFili2> ... 21:09:44 <AlexFili2> the line from my phone goes into the box 21:09:47 <TL|Away> a box, about the size of your hand? 21:09:49 <AlexFili2> and my pc can recieve wireless internet 21:09:52 <AlexFili2> um yeah, about that big 21:09:58 <TL|Away> there is your router 21:10:02 <AlexFili2> oh ok 21:10:11 <TL|Away> so what we have learnt today: that box next to the phone line is called a router :) 21:10:15 <AlexFili2> lol 21:10:21 <TL|Away> Routers are very nice things, but, more annoying then windows they are 21:10:28 <TL|Away> they give you all kind of security and stuff 21:10:29 <AlexFili2> hosting servers on OTTD is a pain in the arse? :p 21:10:35 <TL|Away> and accesing them in bridged mode, which you seem to be 21:10:40 <TL|Away> is different for each route 21:10:44 <TL|Away> so, as I see it, 2 options: 21:10:46 <AlexFili2> any easy way to open up a port? 21:10:48 <TL|Away> or your ISP doesn't allow thing 21:10:50 <Belugas_Work> no, it requires a bit of knowledge, that 's it :) 21:10:56 <TL|Away> or you need to find that book you got with your router 21:10:58 <TL|Away> and access it 21:11:15 <TL|Away> I have no doubt in that lovely book there is a story about Port Forwarding 21:11:24 <TL|Away> or... sometimes called DMZ (bad naming in this case) 21:11:32 <TL|Away> or 'Server Address' 21:11:40 <TL|Away> or something remotely like it :) 21:11:45 <TL|Away> (what type of router is it?) 21:12:06 <AlexFili2> a wireless one lol 21:12:14 <AlexFili2> BT Voyager 1500 21:12:44 <TL|Away> http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/BT/Voyager220V/Battlefield_2.htm 21:12:47 <TL|Away> wrong type 21:12:50 <TL|Away> but check the page people :) 21:12:53 <TL|Away> first screen shows: 10.0.0.2 21:12:57 <TL|Away> next shows 192.168.1.2 21:13:00 <TL|Away> euh 21:13:05 <TL|Away> next shows 192.168.62.1 21:13:11 <TL|Away> confusing information!!! LoL! 21:13:26 <AlexFili2> um yeah... 21:13:29 <AlexFili2> this whole page is confusing 21:13:35 <AlexFili2> so, what am i meant to be doing again? lol 21:13:46 <TL|Away> voyager 1500 isn't listed :p 21:14:01 <AlexFili2> >_< well that sucks 21:14:13 <TL|Away> oeh, but it does have pretty lights :) 21:14:23 <AlexFili2> yeah, it does >_< 21:14:43 <AlexFili2> i wish OpenTTD would hurry up and change the port 21:14:51 <AlexFili2> 3979 is such a bad number 21:15:00 <TL|Away> it doesn't matter, no number will work 21:15:00 <ln-> why is it bad? 21:15:01 <AlexFili2> why the hell couldnt they have just used 7171 like everyone else?! 21:15:19 <TL|Away> "like everyone else" 21:15:20 <TL|Away> LOL! 21:15:20 <AlexFili2> 3979 = line used for trojans 21:15:26 <TL|Away> most likely BECAUSE everyone else :p 21:15:32 <AlexFili2> meh 21:15:37 <TL|Away> yeah, sorry we didn't checked if any trojan was using the port (??) 21:15:37 <AlexFili2> is there any way i can do something else 21:15:41 <AlexFili2> like host a dedicated server? 21:15:44 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:15:45 <AlexFili2> or something? 21:15:47 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 21:16:04 <TL|Away> to run ANY server for the outside world on your PC you have there 21:16:09 <TL|Away> you need to follow tha tURL I gave you 21:16:12 <TL|Away> or find your book 21:16:13 <TL|Away> or both 21:16:14 <AlexFili2> WHOA 21:16:16 <TL|Away> and hope they are compatible 21:16:19 <AlexFili2> HOLD THE PHONE 21:16:24 <AlexFili2> its started searching again :o 21:16:27 <TL|Away> and yo uneed to follow it till it starts about Battle Field 21:16:34 <AlexFili2> its trying to find the master server 21:16:41 <AlexFili2> :o 21:16:49 <TL|Away> it always does 21:16:50 <TL|Away> 3 times 21:16:54 <TL|Away> every 15 minutes 21:16:54 <AlexFili2> but 21:16:57 <AlexFili2> oh lol 21:17:02 <AlexFili2> but u said it does it 3 times and then stops! 21:17:05 <AlexFili2> you're such a liar!!! lol 21:17:07 <TL|Away> for 15 minutes 21:17:12 <AlexFili2> lol u never said that 21:17:12 <TL|Away> but okay, more we can;t do for you 21:17:19 <AlexFili2> :o 21:17:19 <TL|Away> you never asked 21:17:20 <AlexFili2> um ok lol 21:17:28 <AlexFili2> so, how do i host a dedicated server? 21:17:51 <TL|Away> You? On your PC? 21:18:01 <AlexFili2> um yeah 21:18:03 <TL|Away> a) follow that manual 21:18:04 <TL|Away> b) not 21:18:07 <TL|Away> your only options 21:18:09 <TL|Away> take it or leave it 21:18:18 <AlexFili2> what manual? 21:18:26 <glx> router manual 21:18:32 <TL|Away> http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/BT/Voyager220V/Battlefield_2.htm 21:18:40 <TL|Away> the ony I home is most comaptible with your router 21:18:40 <AlexFili2> but u said that was the wrong model 21:18:43 <TL|Away> it is 21:18:58 <TL|Away> http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/BT/Voyager220V/ 21:19:01 <TL|Away> thatone is a bit better 21:19:10 <glx> http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/routerindex.htm <-- all models they have 21:19:26 <TL|Away> yeah, and 1500 isn't there ;) 21:19:37 <AlexFili2> ah 21:19:45 <TL|Away> but it should give you enough idea how it should be done 21:19:45 <AlexFili2> but wireless 1250 is 21:19:58 <TL|Away> else, get your handy near-family guy at your house 21:20:00 <TL|Away> and let him do it 21:20:37 * AlexFili2 throws a large rock at the person who made openttd, written on the rock it says "dont use port 3979 you <insert word here" 21:20:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o TL|Away] by ChanServ 21:20:54 <hylje> what port then 21:20:55 <TL|Away> Try that again 21:20:57 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Odletam do paralelniho vesmiru..."] 21:21:12 <TL|Away> And I can assure you you are the one flying like a rock 21:21:18 <AlexFili2> :o 21:21:19 <AlexFili2> oh 21:21:23 <AlexFili2> u didnt tell me u were an admin >_< 21:21:34 <glx> you didn't asked :p 21:21:41 <TL|Away> I made the phreaking network code.. wrong person, wrong person... 21:21:43 <TL|Away> freaking 21:21:44 <TL|Away> hmmz 21:21:45 <TL|Away> what ever 21:21:51 <AlexFili2> :S 21:21:58 <Belugas_Work> http://www.gconnect.net/downloads/pdf/BT_Voyager_1500_Issue2.pdf#search='BT%20VOYAGER%201500' 21:22:00 <hylje> phear? 21:22:04 <Belugas_Work> HEre is your manual 21:22:07 <TL|Away> so, be a bit nice, don't bitch about port-numbers, becaues they are _not_ the issue 21:22:11 <AlexFili2> :O 21:22:11 <TL|Away> Belugas_Work: nice work :) 21:22:19 <AlexFili2> wow, that was fast 21:22:31 <Belugas_Work> that is why work@work :) 21:22:33 <AlexFili2> um 21:22:35 <AlexFili2> no offence 21:22:38 <AlexFili2> but why are there only 2 pages 21:22:51 <Belugas_Work> Search yourself 21:22:58 <AlexFili2> :s 21:23:04 <TL|Away> find the book you got with the modem 21:23:05 <TL|Away> router 21:23:06 <TL|Away> what ever 21:23:11 <TL|Away> don't say you didn't got any 21:23:14 <TL|Away> because you sure have :) 21:23:18 <AlexFili2> hmmm 21:23:26 <TL|Away> this is all we can do for you 21:23:26 <AlexFili2> i'll see if the box is lying around somewhere 21:23:32 <TL|Away> your router is blocking all incoming signals 21:23:44 <TL|Away> so all games you try to host give this problem 21:23:49 <AlexFili2> sorry, i was just a bit upset thats all :p 21:23:55 <TL|Away> Yeah, don't take it out on us 21:24:03 <TL|Away> we are here spending 20+ minutes to help you out 21:24:05 <TL|Away> so it aint fair 21:24:12 <TL|Away> 30+ minutes 21:24:25 *** mode/#openttd [-o TL|Away] by TL|Away 21:24:26 <AlexFili2> it will probably be 300 before my problem is solved :p 21:24:30 <AlexFili2> :o 21:24:35 <AlexFili2> you de-oped yourself? 21:24:51 <hylje> camouflage 21:24:51 <TL|Away> "You don't need to be an op to have power" ;) 21:25:21 <AlexFili2> really? lol 21:25:54 <TL|Away> Anyway, I wish you good luck in figuring out your router :) 21:26:03 <TL|Away> We can't access it from here 21:26:07 <TL|Away> so it is all you now :) 21:26:43 <hylje> AlexFili2: yes really 21:27:17 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-a.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 21:29:49 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 21:29:54 <MeusH> hi 21:30:56 *** Coder`TuX [n=codertux@85.204.17.98] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:31:14 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: have you read my e-mail? 21:31:24 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: yes 21:31:32 <TL|Away> hi MeusH :) 21:31:47 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: there is a problem: I have to upgrade wiki before I can apply those patches 21:31:48 <MeusH> great 21:31:50 <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: hi 21:31:52 <MeusH> so what's the plan? 21:31:57 <MeusH> oh allright 21:32:01 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: but afaik DV made changes on the wiki source 21:32:05 <MeusH> can I help you somehow? 21:32:06 <AlexFili2> oh thats just great 21:32:11 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: and I don't want to screw those changes 21:32:13 <AlexFili2> my dad doesnt know where he put the wireless boxes 21:32:15 <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: diff it :) 21:32:21 <AlexFili2> so now i have no <censored> idea where they are 21:32:40 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: just make a copy of the database 21:32:44 <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: will do someday, but today i had a very busy day 21:32:52 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: will make, of course 21:32:57 <MeusH> read manual on upgrading the wiki 21:33:02 <MeusH> this should help you 21:33:05 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: even more, probably I'll move the db to another box 21:33:06 <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: I never said anything about today or this week ;) :) 21:33:08 *** DjViper- [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 21:33:09 <MeusH> I was upgrading my forums taht way 21:33:38 <AlexFili2> omg 21:33:38 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: but that's still doesn't solve the problem that I don't want to lose the changes DV made on the wiki source 21:33:43 *** DiabloD3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:33:48 <AlexFili2> what the <censored> is with these crappy 2 page PDFs 21:34:05 <AlexFili2> I want a massive manual, not a some stupid little guide for 2 year olds 21:34:21 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:34:44 *** DjViper- is now known as DjViper 21:34:44 <glx> AlexFili2: do you know how to use google? 21:34:50 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:37:20 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 21:37:24 <AlexFili2> glx um yeah 21:37:28 <glx> AlexFili2: http://www.voyager.bt.com/1500/downloads.htm <-- I think you can download the manual you want 21:37:29 <AlexFili2> but i cant find diddly squad 21:37:43 <AlexFili2> glx that link doesnt work 21:38:40 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: may you tell me what DV did to the sourcecode? 21:38:50 <MeusH> just curious, you know 21:39:24 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: currently I don't know 21:39:36 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: tomorrow I'll make a diff on the source 21:39:41 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: and i'll know more :) 21:39:57 <AlexFili2> "OTTD uses port 3979. This is a known trojan horse port, so it might be blocked. Because of that, we will change the port in the future. Until then, you can change it yourself" 21:40:20 <TL|Away> !me slaps who ever wrote that :p 21:40:25 <MeusH> great 21:40:27 <AlexFili2> Bjarni 21:40:28 <AlexFili2> OpenTTD Developer 21:40:34 <TL|Away> !me slaps Bjarni :) 21:40:39 <AlexFili2> omg 21:40:40 <AlexFili2> hes right here 21:40:42 * AlexFili2 punches Bjarni 21:40:43 <AlexFili2> lol 21:40:44 <TL|Away> I know :) 21:40:53 <AlexFili2> i guess hes asleep >_< 21:41:03 <TL|Away> I haven't met a computer that couldn't start a server because of this 'problem' :) It rarely is :) 21:41:15 <AlexFili2> :S 21:41:19 <AlexFili2> hmm 21:41:23 <AlexFili2> im gonna try hosting on a different port 21:41:32 <TL|Away> you do that :) 21:41:42 <TL|Away> if it works, you are the first :p So we add that to a list somewhere 21:41:44 <TL|Away> :) 21:41:44 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-5360.bb.online.no] has quit ["Que?"] 21:42:18 <AlexFili2> so 21:42:28 <AlexFili2> how many times is it meant to look for the master list without a firewall? 21:42:51 <TL|Away> 1 time 21:42:54 <TL|Away> then you see a query back 21:42:59 <AlexFili2> >_< 21:43:07 <AlexFili2> i hate <censored> routers and <censored> firewalls 21:43:32 <AlexFili2> sometimes im glad the internet doesnt have voice communication 21:44:36 <TL|Away> it does ;) 21:44:42 <AlexFili2> lol 21:44:53 <hylje> irc doesnt 21:44:53 <AlexFili2> hey 21:44:54 <hylje> yet 21:44:56 <AlexFili2> if i have a firewall 21:44:59 <MeusH> my irc client does 21:45:01 <AlexFili2> how come i can access the mirc ports? 21:45:03 <MeusH> I hear you all 21:45:11 <MeusH> I hear you doing bad things 21:45:22 <hylje> usually established sessions work 21:45:30 <hylje> but listening sessions dont 21:45:34 <AlexFili2> um 21:45:38 <hylje> so you can browse the net 21:45:39 <AlexFili2> in english? lol 21:45:45 <hylje> but not host a website 21:45:46 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: outgoing connections are allowed 21:45:50 <TL|Away> incoming connections are not 21:45:58 <AlexFili2> :S 21:46:08 <AlexFili2> so 21:46:14 <AlexFili2> are routers and modems very different? 21:46:27 <TL|Away> you have a router + modem in one 21:46:35 <AlexFili2> lucky me >_< 21:46:39 <TL|Away> and in between there is a thing called a firewall 21:46:42 <TL|Away> yeah, lucky you 21:46:46 <TL|Away> I have 2 boxes to do the same 21:46:47 <AlexFili2> i should have just got a psp 21:46:47 <TL|Away> even 3 21:46:48 <TL|Away> hmmz 21:46:50 <AlexFili2> then i could play TT on the go 21:46:55 <AlexFili2> instead, i got a DS and wireless router 21:46:59 <TL|Away> I have a modem, a router, and a wireless station ;) 21:47:12 <hylje> ds port could be funny 21:47:18 <TL|Away> the router is 1m x 30cm x 60cm (biggy ;)) 21:47:19 <AlexFili2> hylje i pray for that 21:47:35 <AlexFili2> please TL|Away, can you make a DS port? lol 21:47:37 <hylje> TL|Away: thats a box 21:48:09 <glx> AlexFili2 http://www.voyager.bt.com/ and look th FAQ 21:48:21 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: donate me a DS :) 21:48:35 <TL|Away> hylje: no, it is a 486 21:48:38 <AlexFili2> lol TL|Away, no lol 21:48:44 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:48:50 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: so don't request it, unless you want to donate the hardware :) 21:49:02 <AlexFili2> LOL 21:49:10 <AlexFili2> glx... that doesnt really help 21:49:15 <AlexFili2> it says nothing about ports anywhere 21:49:49 <glx> http://www.voyager.bt.com/faqs/wireless_products/1500/windowsxp/config/vserver.htm 21:50:05 <AlexFili2> virtual server? :o 21:50:10 <hylje> its funny how we talk about TCP/IP ports and architechture ports at the same time 21:50:12 <glx> yes 21:50:21 <AlexFili2> if you want to open ports 6000 to 6100 then you would input 6000 in the start field and 6100 in the end. If you wish to open only one port, type the same port number in all boxes :o 21:50:23 *** DjViper- [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 21:50:30 <AlexFili2> so, i can use this to open ports?! 21:50:30 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:50:36 <glx> yes 21:50:40 <AlexFili2> omg wow 21:50:44 * AlexFili2 kisses TL|Away 21:50:47 <glx> it's called port forwarding 21:50:50 <TL|Away> IEUW! 21:50:53 *** DjViper- is now known as DjViper 21:50:53 <MiHaMiX> :DDDDDD 21:51:16 <MiHaMiX> /topic PG13: Sex on the channel: AlexFili2 kisses TL|Away 21:51:17 <MiHaMiX> :DD 21:51:27 <TL|Away> LOL!! 21:51:52 <hylje> boy love! 21:52:02 <glx> I do the search and TL|Away is kissed 21:52:12 <TL|Away> glx: you are never loved 21:54:18 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:55:14 <AlexFili2> hmmm 21:55:20 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-a.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:55:22 <AlexFili2> can anyone help me make sense of this page? 21:55:34 <AlexFili2> i'll put it in a jpg 21:56:21 <AlexFili2> huh 21:56:23 <AlexFili2> it wont let me send it 21:57:01 <AlexFili2> i'll host it somewhere 21:57:14 <hylje> imageshack.us 21:57:29 <AlexFili2> ive got my own site thanks :p 21:57:42 <hylje> good for low bandwidth imgs but sux for high 21:57:56 <AlexFili2> lol 21:58:09 <AlexFili2> http://www.sitesled.com/members/alexfili/help%20please.JPG 21:58:13 <AlexFili2> im stuck at this page 21:58:51 *** Torrasque_ [n=chatzill@84-74-150-246.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.69.3 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 21:59:06 <TL|Away> try Apply 21:59:27 <orudge> . 21:59:27 <AlexFili2> internal server ip address is invalid 21:59:36 <TL|Away> very true 21:59:37 <TL|Away> hmmz 21:59:39 <glx> put your machine IP 21:59:45 <AlexFili2> glx wont that change when i d/c 21:59:46 <AlexFili2> ? 22:00:04 <glx> depends on how smart is the router 22:00:04 <TL|Away> glx: it appears he is in bridged mode 22:00:31 <TL|Away> "Virtual Server", that really is a new one 22:00:46 <AlexFili2> well 22:00:49 <AlexFili2> i put it my ip 22:00:50 <Prof_Frink> That's what they're called on the Belkin thing here 22:01:12 <AlexFili2> i'll see if that changed anything 22:01:53 <AlexFili2> oh my god 22:02:02 <AlexFili2> its still doing that 3 searches thing 22:02:07 <AlexFili2> i am really pissed off now 22:02:07 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 22:02:15 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:02:17 <TL|Away> useless, getting pissed off at a machine 22:02:57 <AlexFili2> i dont get it 22:03:01 <AlexFili2> i entered everything right 22:03:03 *** Spocoo [i=Spoco@dsl-083-102-036-25.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:03:12 <glx> AlexFili2: look other settings 22:03:15 <MeusH> cya 22:03:28 <glx> maybe one his for blocking port 22:03:28 <MeusH> good luck MiHaMiX 22:03:31 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Cya layer"] 22:03:33 <AlexFili2> :S 22:05:19 <AlexFili2> blocking port... 22:05:52 <TL|Away> check Security 22:06:00 <TL|Away> does it say anything about firewall, allowing ports, what ever 22:06:43 <AlexFili2> hmmm 22:06:47 <AlexFili2> i'll try again 22:07:09 <AlexFili2> argh 22:07:13 <AlexFili2> 3 search thing again 22:07:16 <AlexFili2> this is getting stupid now 22:08:01 <AlexFili2> um 22:08:07 <AlexFili2> whats the difference between TCP and UDP? 22:08:26 <TL|Away> doesn't matter for you, they just differ 22:08:31 <AlexFili2> :s 22:08:42 <TL|Away> it is like apple and peer 22:08:44 <TL|Away> euh 22:08:46 <TL|Away> stupid english 22:08:48 <AlexFili2> why not just use apple? :S 22:09:00 <AlexFili2> is there an important reason? 22:09:03 <TL|Away> yes 22:09:32 <AlexFili2> are you going to tell me? :p 22:09:38 <TL|Away> nope 22:09:43 <TL|Away> you won't understand, I am afraid 22:09:53 <AlexFili2> um ok 22:09:58 <AlexFili2> well 22:10:03 <AlexFili2> i did that port forwarding thing 22:10:05 <TL|Away> you need basic UDP and TCP knowledge for that :) 22:10:10 <AlexFili2> and i changed some ip filter settings 22:10:14 <AlexFili2> but nothing has changed at all 22:10:54 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2D84D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["This quitmessage has been left intentionally blank."] 22:12:05 <AlexFili2> glx any ideas? 22:15:15 <glx> AlexFili2: can you show me the "Local Network" page? 22:15:39 <AlexFili2> ok 22:15:41 <AlexFili2> hang on 22:16:41 <AlexFili2> http://www.sitesled.com/members/alexfili/help2.JPG 22:17:44 <TL|Away> helpful page 22:17:45 <TL|Away> :s 22:17:46 <TL|Away> :p 22:17:47 <TL|Away> hehe 22:17:54 <TL|Away> glx: you requested the wrong page!!! :p 22:18:02 <AlexFili2> :O 22:18:12 *** dp_ [n=dp@p54B2D84D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:18:25 *** dp_ is now known as dp-- 22:18:46 <AlexFili2> TL|Away, if people with firewalls have problems with incoming stuff, cant you just make everything outgoing? :s 22:19:02 <AlexFili2> oh wait, was it the other way round? im confused ;S 22:19:19 <Prof_Frink> AlexFili2: Then how would people join? 22:19:32 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: you are a boy, right? 22:19:38 <AlexFili2> yeah for sure 22:19:45 <glx> AlexFili2: I can dl the manual with ie, but the file seems broken :( 22:19:52 <AlexFili2> um 22:19:54 <TL|Away> Okay, now if a woman has a big belt in front of her yuo know what 22:19:57 <TL|Away> she can still pie 22:19:57 <AlexFili2> i had a look at a manual i had 22:19:59 <TL|Away> it comes out 22:20:02 <TL|Away> but no way you can go in there 22:20:04 <TL|Away> so what ever you do 22:20:07 <AlexFili2> but it was about as helpful as brick 22:20:10 <TL|Away> she can never be the host of your child 22:20:15 <TL|Away> same goes here 22:20:53 <TL|Away> (worst comparison EVER!) 22:21:34 <TL|Away> pie = pee 22:21:37 <TL|Away> oops ;) 22:21:40 <AlexFili2> hmmm 22:21:51 <AlexFili2> http://www.sitesled.com/members/alexfili/help%20please.JPG 22:21:59 <glx> oh there's a "DHCP Server" thing on top of the "Local Network" page 22:22:17 <glx> maybe this one could help 22:22:21 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit ["I seem to be off"] 22:22:51 <TL|Away> oh man, I am having a good laugh here :p 22:23:27 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 22:23:34 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: while OpenTTD is running as server 22:23:41 <TL|Away> open this page till it shows green: 22:23:43 <TL|Away> https://www.grc.com/x/portprobe=3979 22:23:50 <TL|Away> then you know you succeeded :) 22:23:53 <TL|Away> (just to help you a bit) 22:23:59 <TL|Away> It won't show green if you don't do anything :p 22:24:12 <TL|Away> it just checks if it can make inbound connections (connections from the outworld) 22:24:13 <AlexFili2> its at red >_< 22:24:20 <TL|Away> sure it is 22:24:26 <TL|Away> so now try and fiddle and try again 22:24:27 <glx> yeah I test my firewall settings with this page 22:24:47 <AlexFili2> :S 22:24:48 <AlexFili2> ok 22:24:51 <glx> everything is red for me (and I want that :p ) 22:25:04 <TL|Away> it is read here too 22:25:05 * TL|Away shots ISP 22:26:02 <AlexFili2> DHCP server? 22:26:13 <AlexFili2> "Enabling DHCP Server on LAN interface can provide the proper IP address settings to your computer." 22:26:34 <glx> so each computer on your LAN has his own IP 22:26:47 <AlexFili2> :S 22:26:55 <TL|Away> glx: possible he is in bridge mode 22:27:02 <TL|Away> so it is just the firewall keeping things out 22:27:10 <TL|Away> pings btw are also silenced 22:27:18 <glx> but where is the firewall? 22:27:29 <TL|Away> in China 22:27:29 <AlexFili2> glx it might be in the actual router itself 22:27:44 <AlexFili2> hence all this virtual server crap 22:28:02 <AlexFili2> why isnt there just a big button that says open port, and you type in 3979 22:28:06 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: Security, does that tab give you any more info? 22:28:08 <AlexFili2> that would really please me a lot 22:28:16 <AlexFili2> a bit 22:28:21 <AlexFili2> i tried doing stuff, but nothing happened 22:28:26 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: write your router company 22:28:28 <AlexFili2> i'll take some shots 22:28:32 <TL|Away> show us what options there are 22:28:38 <AlexFili2> BT VOYAGER 1500 = router 22:29:57 <AlexFili2> http://www.sitesled.com/members/alexfili/help3.JPG 22:29:59 <AlexFili2> http://www.sitesled.com/members/alexfili/help4.JPG 22:30:22 <AlexFili2> i tried to set something up there, but it had no effect whatsoever 22:30:32 <TL|Away> (btw, AlexFili2, if it works, yo uhav to send us flowers for the trouble :p) 22:30:51 <glx> udp is N/A 22:31:04 <TL|Away> try allowing 3979 on UDP yes ;) 22:31:07 <AlexFili2> glx it wouldnt let me type in any values for some reason 22:31:21 <AlexFili2> wtf? 22:31:25 <AlexFili2> suddenly it let my type in 3979 22:31:35 <TL|Away> it is magic 22:31:36 <TL|Away> magic 22:31:37 <TL|Away> magic! 22:31:39 <TL|Away> A magic bean 22:31:42 <TL|Away> what are you going to do with it 22:31:45 <TL|Away> plant it in the ground 22:31:45 <AlexFili2> its still red though 22:31:48 <TL|Away> or hold it in your hand! 22:31:51 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: just try OpenTTD now 22:31:53 <TL|Away> who knows 22:31:55 * hylje casts Devour Magic 22:31:55 <Qball> glx is fun 22:31:56 <AlexFili2> its red 22:32:13 <hylje> all your magic are belong to us 22:32:23 <TL|Away> AlexFili2: I ment: restart OpenTTD and check the advertise 22:32:36 <AlexFili2> :s 22:32:40 <AlexFili2> but, the site is still red 22:32:47 <TL|Away> fuck the site 22:32:49 <TL|Away> try OpenTTD 22:32:57 <AlexFili2> ok lol 22:33:42 <AlexFili2> well isnt that swell 22:33:48 <AlexFili2> 3 stupid search thing 22:33:49 <AlexFili2> happy now?! 22:33:56 <AlexFili2> lol 22:33:57 <TL|Away> okay, remove the entry from Virtual Server now 22:34:06 <AlexFili2> ;s 22:34:13 <AlexFili2> ok 22:34:28 <TL|Away> make sure the entries in Security are still there 22:34:35 <AlexFili2> yup 22:34:36 <TL|Away> reboot your router (suggested by Belugas_Work) 22:34:37 <AlexFili2> they definately are 22:34:41 <TL|Away> and then try again 22:34:42 <AlexFili2> um ok 22:34:46 <AlexFili2> brb 22:34:49 <TL|Away> :) 22:35:03 <TL|Away> (finally, peace and quiet... can we keep it that way? Shall I block him? :p) 22:35:11 <Qball> TL|Away: jerk 22:35:16 <TL|Away> would be an awful joke, to block him now :p 22:35:22 <TL|Away> Qball: tnx, love you too :) 22:35:29 <Qball> and gay 22:35:51 <TL|Away> My gf shows me differently :s 22:36:00 <TL|Away> so I guess I have to break her the bad news 22:36:00 <Qball> false pretend 22:36:10 <TL|Away> she says I am indeed very happy 22:36:10 <TL|Away> hmmz 22:36:11 <TL|Away> weird 22:36:14 <Qball> you do that, but wait until I'm there with the camera 22:36:16 *** |VillageIdiot| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:36:44 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host86-143-18-111.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:36:44 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host86-143-18-111.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:37:35 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host86-143-18-111.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:37:40 <AlexFili> um im back 22:37:44 <TL|Away> oh-oh 22:37:46 <TL|Away> so, tell us 22:37:56 <TL|Away> you have to know 22:37:59 <TL|Away> I can't take bad news 22:38:01 <TL|Away> :p 22:38:02 <AlexFili> ? 22:38:04 <AlexFili> huh 22:38:36 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:38:50 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 22:39:13 <Qball> AlexFili: TL|Away just came out of the closet, he is very fragile atm 22:39:35 <AlexFili> :s? 22:39:45 <TL|Away> Qball: don't confuse him anymor then is needed :p 22:39:48 <AlexFili> um if u expected that to magically fix something 22:39:49 <AlexFili> it didnt 22:39:59 <AlexFili> signal is red and ottd gives me 3 search thing 22:40:05 <TL|Away> Okay, one last try 22:40:12 <TL|Away> switch that switch to Disabled 22:40:14 <TL|Away> in security 22:40:24 <TL|Away> so no more IP filtering 22:40:27 <TL|Away> byebye security 22:40:28 <TL|Away> this is bad btw 22:40:33 <TL|Away> never do this at home boys and girls 22:40:35 <MiHaMiX> hmm 22:40:45 <AlexFili> um 22:40:49 <AlexFili> was that thing supposed to change to green? 22:40:52 <AlexFili> because its still red 22:41:02 <TL|Away> then I am totally out of ideas 22:41:14 <TL|Away> ask a friend of yours that is _really_ good with computers 22:41:17 <glx> you refreshed the page? 22:41:29 <Qball> 1/0 for glx 22:41:42 <glx> and ottd is running? 22:41:43 <AlexFili> EH? 22:41:46 <AlexFili> STEALTH?! 22:41:50 <AlexFili> huh 22:41:54 <AlexFili> the bar is full of little red bars 22:41:57 <TL|Away> bah, why did I give that page :p 22:41:59 <AlexFili> and it says stealth on it 22:42:04 <AlexFili> what does that mean? 22:42:26 <TL|Away> that it doesn't work :p 22:42:31 <TL|Away> but iam not sure the page works at all 22:42:34 <TL|Away> that is a bit sad 22:42:43 <AlexFili> why does it say stealth? 22:42:50 <TL|Away> meaning: blocked 22:42:54 <TL|Away> meaning: no connection 22:42:55 <AlexFili> eh? :o 22:42:58 <TL|Away> meaning: can't reach this address 22:42:59 <AlexFili> that makes no sense 22:43:01 <TL|Away> meaning: yo uare still fucked 22:43:06 <AlexFili> i disable firewall, and it still blocks it :S 22:43:21 <AlexFili> shove it 22:43:26 <AlexFili> i'll just have to get people to host it for me lol 22:43:28 <TL|Away> I now go get some sleep 22:43:36 <TL|Away> join Official Server #1 :p 22:43:45 <AlexFili> lol 22:43:49 <TL|Away> Or you can rent a server if you like, ask me or orudge :) 22:44:02 <AlexFili> RENT? 22:44:07 <AlexFili> im playing an old dos game 22:44:13 <AlexFili> you think i can afford stuff like that?! 22:44:31 <orudge> Ah well 22:44:33 <orudge> If you can, just ask ;) 22:44:42 <AlexFili> lol 22:44:54 <TL|Away> That woke orudge, hehe ;) 22:44:58 <AlexFili> lol 22:44:58 <TL|Away> We can make a nice deal, I am sure :) 22:45:00 <orudge> ;) 22:45:07 <AlexFili> no matter what language everyone speak 22:45:11 <AlexFili> we all speak the language of money :p 22:45:19 <orudge> ¬_¬ 22:45:26 <TL|Away> normally it is 20 euro a month, but for you, we make it 30 :p 22:45:29 <TL|Away> (sorry, bitch mode :)) 22:45:34 <TL|Away> I have to go now 22:45:37 <AlexFili> :o 22:45:38 <AlexFili> lol 22:45:40 <TL|Away> AlexFili: good luck, I hope you fix it 22:45:49 <AlexFili> yay 22:45:50 <TL|Away> We can't help you anymore, and we can't change anything that it will work 22:45:50 <AlexFili> stealth 22:45:58 <AlexFili> f**k it, i cant be arsed anymore 22:46:02 <TL|Away> don't forget to put that IP Filter back to enabled 22:46:12 <TL|Away> and change everything back you changed 22:46:12 <AlexFili> to be honest, i'd rather have not wasted these last 3 hours when i could have been PLAYING IT 22:46:16 <AlexFili> TL|Away already done 22:46:24 <TL|Away> he, don't tell us :) I could have been playing all tha ttime too :) 22:46:27 <AlexFili> >_< 22:46:30 <AlexFili> why didnt you? 22:46:34 <AlexFili> you only have to look back every 10 mins 22:46:35 <TL|Away> because we are friendlt 22:46:35 <AlexFili> lol 22:46:38 <AlexFili> awwww 22:46:40 <AlexFili> ur my friend too 22:46:42 * AlexFili hugs TL|Away 22:46:43 <TL|Away> and want to help our players :) 22:46:46 <TL|Away> :$ :$ 22:46:49 <TL|Away> Qball: he is gay too ;) 22:46:51 <AlexFili> anyway 22:46:53 <AlexFili> gotta go to sleep 22:46:55 <TL|Away> Night all :) 22:46:57 <TL|Away> night AlexFili 22:46:57 * AlexFili falls asleep 22:46:59 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host86-143-18-111.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 22:47:13 <TL|Away> glx and Belugas_Work, tnx for helping out too :) 22:47:26 <glx> we tried 22:48:37 <Qball> that is all you can make of it 22:50:37 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37110.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:52:09 *** DjViper- [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 22:52:35 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:53:21 *** DjViper- is now known as DjViper 22:53:21 *** AlexFili2 [n=AlexFili@host86-143-18-111.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:56:46 *** BFM [n=chatzill@CPE-60-229-122-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:01:39 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r3778 /trunk/news_gui.c: - Fix crash when resizing news history window. 23:03:31 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! 23:03:35 <peter1138> no 23:03:37 <Born_Acorn> newstations! 23:03:41 <peter1138> sleep :P 23:03:46 <Born_Acorn> :O 23:04:16 <Belugas_Work> lucky one :) 23:04:59 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B8433E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 23:08:46 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7D9F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:15:50 *** Red is now known as Red^gone 23:15:54 *** Xeryus|bed [n=irc@cc480157-a.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 23:17:49 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 23:20:34 <BFM> Bah, who needs sleep! 23:20:47 <BFM> Besides, it's 10:20am :P 23:25:30 *** uatec [n=uatec@82-39-97-173.cable.ubr01.newy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:25:36 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-10425.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 23:25:36 <uatec> hi there 23:28:03 <uatec> why is it that i've built no planes, but whenever i try to build one it says 'maximum number of vehicles reached'? 23:28:56 <glx> how many trains, road vehicles, boats? 23:29:13 <uatec> well, none to begin with 23:29:52 <uatec> so i thought it mighyt be a relative cap, but now i've built... 4 trains, and 3 busses 23:29:58 <uatec> same message 23:30:18 <glx> is there other players? 23:30:30 <BFM> You've got plane limit set to zero? 23:30:34 <uatec> there weren't when i started 23:30:40 <Bjarni> <AlexFili2> "OTTD uses port 3979. This is a known trojan horse port, so it might be blocked. Because of that, we will change the port in the future. Until then, you can change it yourself" <--- should I have said that 3979 is a known trojan horse port??? 23:30:41 <uatec> now there are 2 AIs 23:30:58 <glx> Bjarni: he's gone 23:31:02 <uatec> not that i know of, BFM 23:31:07 <Bjarni> I know we moved away from 12345 because of that 23:31:25 <Bjarni> and picked 3979 because nobody could find anything that used that port 23:31:43 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: * is a known tojan port. 23:31:56 <Bjarni> heh 23:32:23 <Bjarni> but when we picked it, we could not find anything that wanted to use that specific port 23:32:41 <Bjarni> I can remember searching the net for anything that could use it 23:32:55 <Bjarni> verified that Apple didn't use it for anything at all 23:33:35 <Bjarni> I would like to know where he read such a thing 23:34:19 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Apparently it's used by a trojan called openTTD 23:34:29 <Bjarni> ahh found the text 23:34:34 <Bjarni> I wrote it a long time ago 23:34:37 <Prof_Frink> It disguises itself as an innocent game, then eats your life. 23:34:40 <Bjarni> and then a lot of people edited it :p 23:34:51 <Bjarni> now it's not possible to say who wrote it 23:35:29 <uatec> lol 23:36:19 <uatec> Prof_Frink: i showed openttd on my psp to my lecturer this morning 23:36:32 <uatec> at the next lecture, when we walked in he was playing on the lecture theatre PC 23:36:42 <Bjarni> actually I think I wrote that it used port 12345 and then it was changed, somebody just changed the port number without looking at the remark about it being a known trojan horse port 23:36:52 <Prof_Frink> uatec: see! 23:36:58 <Prof_Frink> It's dangerous! 23:36:58 <Bjarni> uatec: LOL 23:36:59 <uatec> :) 23:38:25 *** Red^gone is now known as Red 23:38:58 <BFM> This game has destroyed my life in 3 stages over a 10 year period. :( 23:39:19 <uatec> lol 23:39:33 <uatec> it destroyed my GCSEs 5 years ago 23:41:45 <uatec> played the original transport tycoon, over a serial cable with my mate 23:42:03 <coppercore> OLDSK00L 23:42:11 <ShadowJK> uatec, nice :( 23:42:14 <ShadowJK> in a sad way 23:42:34 <ShadowJK> (o)ttd is so addictive! 23:42:51 <BFM> You know the worst part of it all? It can only get better =( 23:43:06 * Vornicus ponders that, eventually, there will be no more ports that aren't used by trojans. 23:45:10 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7D9F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["http://mir.ist-langweilig.de/oh_man.jpg/"] 23:45:30 <Bjarni> ok, I fixed the wrong message 23:48:43 <Bjarni> Vornicus: yeah, but I will not wonder about that issue now 23:48:54 <Bjarni> we got a default port that appears to work now :) 23:49:33 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498D937.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 23:50:31 *** Belugas_Work is now known as Belugas_Gone 23:50:35 <Bjarni> <coppercore> OLDSK00L <--- then what do you call playing stunt car racer over a link cable on Amiga 500? 23:51:02 <BFM> ... Stunt car racer? You mean that game, stunts? Where you design your own track!? 23:51:14 <Bjarni> I can't remember if the link cable was serial or parallel. It had so many connectors that it had to be parallel 23:51:28 <Bjarni> BFM: no, it was called "Stunt car racer" 23:51:31 <BFM> Last week I completed Space Quest III in 45 minutes... :\ 23:51:44 <Vornicus> SCSI-3 has 68 pins but is somehow serial. 23:52:07 <Bjarni> http://www.classicgaming.com/amigareviews/stuntcar.htm 23:52:24 <Bjarni> everything is serial in a way 23:52:26 <Vornicus> zomg 23:52:48 <Bjarni> and everything is also parallel, unless it only use one data pin 23:53:08 <uatec> only 1? 23:53:19 <uatec> only 1?surely that's... just nothing 23:53:23 <uatec> surely it needs atleast 2 23:53:30 <Bjarni> I said one data pin 23:53:39 <uatec> hrm... 23:53:45 <Bjarni> it could contain other pins, like common ground and power supply 23:54:01 <Bjarni> USB got power supply and a data pin 23:54:11 <BFM> Haha! I remember that game too! 23:54:18 <uatec> the USB game? 23:54:20 <Bjarni> it got 4 pins in total and I'm not sure if it even got more than one data pin 23:54:31 <Bjarni> USB is an interface, not a game :p 23:54:46 <Bjarni> look at your keyboard/mouse/joystick/whatever 23:54:59 <Bjarni> oh wait, not your biological joystick :p 23:55:08 <glx> USB is +5V, 0V, D+ and D- 23:55:30 <uatec> that's serial duplex with power 23:55:39 <uatec> i think that still counts as pure serial 23:55:47 <uatec> that's a question i was asked in a lecture today 23:55:56 <uatec> think of a TRUE peer to peer system... 23:56:13 <uatec> like Bonjour, or Bluetooth 23:56:26 <DiabloD3> bonjour isnt "peer to peer" 23:56:27 <Bjarni> like an I2C bus... you don't believe how it works 23:56:36 <DiabloD3> its simply multicasting 23:56:37 <uatec> more specifically a game which uses true peer to peer... 23:56:38 <Bjarni> it got data and bus pin... and that's it 23:56:38 <uatec> it's not? 23:56:40 <DiabloD3> its single peer to many peer. 23:56:49 <uatec> that's still peer to peer 23:56:55 <Bjarni> it depends on the devices to use common ground though 23:56:58 <uatec> peer to peer, doesn't mean one to one 23:57:08 <DiabloD3> uatec: not really, the many peer cant talk to the single peer 23:57:15 <DiabloD3> and the many peer cant talk to each other 23:57:25 <DiabloD3> its one way udp traffic only. 23:57:32 <Vornicus> trackerless BT? 23:57:36 <uatec> hrmm... 23:57:47 <uatec> trackerless BT? 23:57:48 <uatec> how? 23:57:52 <DiabloD3> trackerless BT is easy 23:57:59 <DiabloD3> uatec: uses the magnet network 23:58:15 <DiabloD3> something designed for something different, but azeurus and now other bt clients use it for bt stuff 23:58:31 <uatec> weird 23:58:43 <uatec> but what about systems which ARE peer to peer, not which aren't... 23:59:26 <uatec> what was that secure file share system by nullsoft called?