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00:01:12 <Richk67> lol 00:02:57 <nappe1> hmmh... 00:03:24 <nappe1> it looks like quite few things have changed between 4287 and 4303... 00:05:30 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:05:41 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACD65E8D.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 00:07:41 <Bjarni> Tobin is here 00:07:44 <Bjarni> time to go to bed 00:08:00 <Bjarni> well, it was time to go to bed like 2 or 3 hours ago 00:08:05 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit ["Go on, get out. Last words are for fools who haven't said enough. - Karl Marx"] 00:08:14 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:08:18 <Tobin> Morning all. 00:08:23 <Tobin> Bye Bjarni. 00:08:32 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x53588af2.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:09:15 <Richk67> mini IN posted - just the patch ATM against r4302 00:12:46 *** CobraA2 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:07:16 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-200-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 01:08:20 *** Richk67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 01:19:10 *** Elshar [i=Elshar@just.another.lame.unix-admin.com] has joined #openttd 01:19:28 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-202-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:29:39 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B778DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:35:28 *** Meznev [i=Elshar@just.another.lame.unix-admin.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:46:54 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 01:46:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 01:48:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B77558.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:06:51 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:31:39 *** bp0 [i=pburt0@watertownDHCP-2.216-254-231.iw.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:47 *** bp0 [i=pburt0@watertownDHCP-2.216-254-231.iw.net] has left #openttd [] 02:47:56 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3FAD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:50:02 *** Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:50:04 *** Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #openttd 03:03:21 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3EE41.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:41:17 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 03:42:36 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-200-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! It was you wasn't it!?"] 03:53:47 *** dp__ [n=dp@p54B2F875.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:09:51 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2D9CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:09:52 *** dp__ is now known as dp-- 04:21:41 *** CobraA2 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:11:28 *** Morlark|Yarr is now known as Morlark 05:30:41 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:40:13 <egladil> well, for those who are wondering there won't be any 32bpp progress for a week now as i am going away skiing 05:40:31 <egladil> so goodbye for a while #openttd 05:40:39 <stillunknown> have fun 05:41:09 <egladil> i will :) 05:41:15 *** egladil [n=egladil@akvarium.csbnet.se] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:54:29 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 06:23:38 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 06:25:58 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:34:29 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3FAD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 06:35:54 *** ector- [n=meloditr@ygun.brg.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 06:37:03 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3E1FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:44:00 <peter1138> ouch 06:44:12 <peter1138> each GRFFile is over 40KB 06:44:32 <peter1138> that's without loading any data into it 06:48:40 <Tobin> Which GRF files? 06:48:54 <peter1138> GRFFile 06:48:54 <peter1138> a data structure 06:48:55 <Tobin> Oh, right. 06:49:01 <Tobin> Why so large? 06:50:00 <peter1138> because it contains a fixed array of 256 station specs 06:50:08 <peter1138> each is ~ 180 bytes 06:50:16 <peter1138> oh, 159 06:50:45 <peter1138> i'm changing it to allocate dynamically 06:51:46 <Tobin> Hooray for dynamic allocation! 06:51:59 <peter1138> == malloc etc, but... heh 07:02:09 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 07:06:44 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 07:08:26 <CIA-5> tron * r4304 /trunk/network_gui.c: The chat box' parent window (the main toolbar, wtf?) doesn't care for the WE_ON_EDIT_TEXT_CANCEL event, so don't send one. This code looks like it was mindlessly copy&pasted from the query box 07:12:49 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x53588af2.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:12:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 07:17:20 <Celestar> morning 07:18:35 <Celestar> Tron: ping 07:18:43 <Rubidium> morning, you've got a bug in ELrails, #103 07:19:16 <CIA-5> celestar * r4305 /trunk/elrail.c: -Codechange: Minor elrail cleanup (Tron) 07:19:25 <Celestar> I do? 07:19:56 <Rubidium> look at it 07:20:29 <Celestar> roger 07:21:56 <Celestar> Rubidium: ah I see. 07:22:52 <Rubidium> nice 07:24:01 <Celestar> Rubidium: wouldn't it be a better fix to reset the railtype under the bridge? 07:25:09 <Rubidium> then your going to assume a lot; you should at least state that explicitly there, otherwise it will show up in a thorough code review 07:25:42 <Rubidium> but in that case, the function will not work for plain rail, only for EL, monorail and maglev 07:26:02 <Celestar> Rubidium: then both fixes? ;) 07:27:25 <Rubidium> that's maybe even better; resetting all unused bits to 0 when not used 07:28:25 <Celestar> but I agree that your fix is correct. 07:28:32 <Celestar> :q 07:28:39 <Celestar> ENOVI 07:29:41 <Rubidium> ENOVI? 07:29:57 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:38:18 <Tron> Rubidium: error code for not being a vi 07:39:06 <CIA-5> celestar * r4306 /trunk/elrail.c: -Fix (103). Assertion when removing elrails under bridges. Thanks to Rubidium for reporting and fixing 07:39:12 <Celestar> thanks 07:39:27 <Rubidium> you're welcome 07:40:49 <CIA-5> celestar * r4307 /trunk/elrail.c: -Fix: Coding style in previous commit. Thanks to Tron for instant notice 07:42:25 <MiHaMiX> :DDD 07:42:32 <MiHaMiX> E_NOVI LOL :DD 07:43:33 <MiHaMiX> btw, good morning :) 07:44:10 <Naksu> vi? 07:44:11 <Naksu> pfft 07:44:18 <Naksu> real men use copy con 07:45:43 <Tron> %copy con 07:45:43 <Tron> copy: Command not found. 07:46:00 <Tron> cat is the way to go 07:46:24 <Tron> code reuse: cat a.out.header - > binary 07:46:57 *** Scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:48:10 <Celestar> con: Command not found. 07:48:14 <Naksu> tron: use dos 07:48:42 <Tron> Celestar: that's the DOS pseudo device for the terminal 07:48:53 <Celestar> uh huh 07:48:55 <Naksu> copy con test.txt :) 07:49:02 <Tron> Naksu: real men don't use DOS 07:49:08 <Naksu> you get the best text editor in the universe 07:49:11 <Naksu> Tron: sure they do 07:49:58 <Tron> absolutly not, only quiche eaters do 07:50:52 <Naksu> o rly? 07:52:05 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 07:52:09 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84213.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:52:19 <Tron> your keyboard drops letters randomly 07:54:50 <Naksu> no 07:54:57 <Naksu> it was fully intended 08:08:42 <peter1138> morning 08:09:30 <peter1138> Tron: so does yours :) 08:10:46 <Celestar> hm? 08:10:51 <Celestar> hi peter1138 08:10:55 <Celestar> how's stuff? 08:12:09 <peter1138> pretty ok 08:12:15 <peter1138> busy busy though 08:18:04 <CIA-5> KUDr * r4308 /branch/yapf/yapf/blob.hpp: [YAPF] added CBlobT::RemoveBySwap (remove item by ptr) 08:19:40 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3E1FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 08:19:52 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3E1FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:20:19 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3E1FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:22:11 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@217.123.34.28] has joined #openttd 08:23:30 <peter1138> Celestar: i need to work on newstation loading code 08:23:54 <peter1138> currently it uses a fixed array in each GRFFile that is about 40KB 08:24:08 <peter1138> even if there are no stations 08:27:47 <CIA-5> tron * r4309 /trunk/ (gui.h main_gui.c network_gui.c): The initial string of the chat box is always the empty string, so don't jump through hoops to check if nothing was entered and simplify the code 08:28:13 <peter1138> gzunip 08:28:14 <peter1138> guznip 08:28:16 <peter1138> gunzip 08:28:25 <peter1138> third time lucky o_O 08:29:45 <peter1138> Tron: http://195.112.37.102/ottd/toco.diff < probably pretty hacky, but it gives the chat window colour when sending team messages 08:30:11 <Tron> peter1138: atm i'm busy with fixing the more severe problems of the chat box 08:30:26 <Tron> like the 86byte buffer overflow 08:33:33 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691923210.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:34:33 <peter1138> heh 08:36:02 <Tron> or the never printed string 08:37:10 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84213.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:37:30 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84213.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:37:45 <CIA-5> tron * r4310 /trunk/ (27 files in 3 dirs): The chat box has no visible window title, therefore remove the string 08:40:38 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176112200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:40:48 *** jerome_ [n=jerome@124-198.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 08:42:35 <CIA-5> celestar * r4311 /trunk/bridge_map.h: -Fix/Codechange: Clear the railtype when removing rail under a bridge. FS#103 exhibited this problem 08:52:15 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:54:41 *** DarkSSH [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 08:54:42 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 08:57:07 <CIA-5> tron * r4312 /trunk/ (gui.h main_gui.c network_gui.c): Calculate the maximum pixel width of the entered text in the chat box from the "text box"-widget instead of hardcoding an arbitrary - and wrong - number 08:59:07 <Vornicus> yey 09:00:03 <DarkSSH> jezus, it took me 10 minutes to log on to this damn thing 09:00:09 *** DarkSSH is now known as Darkvater 09:00:19 *** mode/#openttd [-o Darkvater] by Darkvater 09:00:59 <CIA-5> tron * r4313 /trunk/ (gui.h main_gui.c network_gui.c): The parent window of the chat box is always the main toolbar (?!), therefore don't pass this information as parameter 09:03:55 <Darkvater> nice going Tron :) 09:04:43 <Celestar> Tron: Darkvater: what do you think about "the" gantt chart? 09:05:30 <Zr40> woo, my first working and useful patch :D 09:05:40 <Celestar> Zr40: ? 09:05:59 <Zr40> just created :) 09:06:48 <Darkvater> Celestar: "the" ;) 09:07:06 <Darkvater> I had to make one for a project at school. named it that gnatt chart 09:07:37 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/openttd-chart.html <= I've made an exemplary gantt chart 09:07:57 <CIA-5> tron * r4314 /trunk/ (gui.h main_gui.c network_gui.c): -Fix: a buffer overflow of the chat box introduced in r1263. Don't tell the Textbuf an arbitrary number as size of the string buffer, but the real lengthof() it 09:08:10 <Zr40> Celestar: I've put it here: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/104 09:09:01 <Celestar> Zr40: HOW did you create that patch? 09:09:16 <Zr40> with vim? 09:09:20 <Tron> Celestar: gantt chart? i heard about that in operations research. what about it? 09:09:27 <Celestar> Zr40: I mean the diff. 09:09:31 <Celestar> Tron: see link above 09:09:38 <Zr40> tortoisesvn 09:09:55 <Celestar> uh huh 09:10:01 <Celestar> tortiose svn diff need a -p3 :S 09:10:52 <Tron> Celestar: the uncertainity is bigger than any other input value, so i think it's pretty pointless to make a schedule 09:11:15 <Celestar> Tron: I think an approximate scheudle would be of help. 09:11:19 <Celestar> schedule* 09:11:31 <Celestar> Zr40: nice. but I have some remarks :) 09:11:41 <Zr40> go ahead :) 09:12:13 <Celestar> Zr40: 1) you should group the groups into "+" and "-" groups, currently you have a - + - arragement. 09:12:27 <Celestar> 2) there is only one "Total" the rest should be "subtotals" 09:12:37 <Celestar> 3) whiler your'e at it, can you increase column size? 09:13:07 <Zr40> re. 2: I didn't modify any strings ;) 09:13:41 <Celestar> I noticed :) 09:15:23 <CIA-5> tron * r4315 /trunk/network_gui.c: Remove MAX_QUERYSTR_LEN, rather use lengthof() the real thing 09:16:07 <Celestar> Tron: it's not really meant to be an exact schedule but more of a 1) what will be in the next release, 2) who does it, 3) dependency information. 09:18:13 <Darkvater> I think doing any gantt chart 09:18:17 *** rvsjoen [n=spam@179.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 09:18:20 <Darkvater> ok I won't talk for the rest of 09:18:21 <Darkvater> the day 09:18:28 <peter1138> ... 09:19:07 * peter1138 watches ottd fail miserably when given ttdp grf processing 09:19:20 <Tron> Celestar: well, "not exact" is a bit of an understatement. I estimate about three times the time for rewriting bridges than you did - if it works out at all 09:19:48 <Tron> peter1138: ? 09:20:03 <Zr40> Celestar: about the - + -, I subtract at most one time, and it's done at the end 09:20:27 <Darkvater> i am not 09:20:32 <peter1138> Tron: the order of processing actions 09:20:39 <peter1138> well, the stage mask 09:26:47 *** nappe1 [i=ohj8laka@adsl-130-253-186.kymp.net] has left #OpenTTD [] 09:26:50 <Zr40> Celestar: updated patch 09:28:03 <Zr40> oh, right 09:28:20 <Zr40> Celestar: about the grouping: the bottom one is not always negative 09:28:36 <Celestar> Zr40: I see 09:28:37 <Celestar> Darkvater: ? 09:28:54 <Zr40> selling railroad tracks gets you a positive construction item. same with selling vehicles 09:29:03 <Celestar> ok 09:30:27 <Zr40> I think construction/vehicle items aren't that interesting because they're player controlled. The recurring expenses/income are the main reason for that window, I think, that's why I put them on top 09:30:41 <Celestar> that sounds like a good reason 09:31:21 <Noldo> Zr40: what are you playing with? 09:31:39 <Zr40> but I could place the income group above the expenses group :) 09:31:45 <Zr40> Noldo: reordering the finances window 09:37:07 <CIA-5> celestar * r4316 /trunk/station_cmd.c: -Codechange: finished r4257 (forgot one variable there) 09:46:56 <Zr40> Celestar: updated again. Looks like it's done, aside from the strings ;) 09:54:23 <Zr40> right, forgot to attach the patch 09:56:03 <Celestar> Zr40: lemme check a bit later. 09:56:05 <Celestar> working... 09:56:25 * Zr40 also leaves for a few hours 09:59:11 *** RoySmeding_ [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:02:50 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176112200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:05:16 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176112200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:08:27 *** ector [n=meloditr@ygun.brg.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 10:09:33 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 10:12:11 *** faassen [n=faassen@a80-127-80-154.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:15:49 <Celestar> I hate this fucking crap :S 10:15:59 <peter1138> me too 10:16:32 <Celestar> "please specify a valid architecture". GIVE A FUCKING OPTION LIST 10:16:59 <Celestar> because "x86_64" is NOT valid. 10:17:04 <Celestar> neither is i386 :S 10:17:13 <ShadowJK> try VAX 10:17:19 <KUDr_wrk> or x64 10:17:25 <Celestar> nope 10:17:38 *** TL|Away is now known as TrueLight 10:17:47 <Celestar> found it 10:17:54 <Celestar> if course the arch is "glnxa64" 10:18:01 <Celestar> which is immidiately clear 10:18:01 <ShadowJK> lol 10:18:01 <Celestar> :S 10:18:20 <ShadowJK> OpenGL-NoExecute-Athlon64? :-) 10:18:44 <Celestar> gnu linux possibly :S 10:18:57 * Celestar rants 10:19:00 <ShadowJK> hm :-) 10:19:06 <ShadowJK> what the hell are you using anyway 10:20:25 <Celestar> matlab 10:21:00 <ShadowJK> ah 10:21:13 <ShadowJK> I only ever ran it remotely over X from a machine where it was preinstalled 10:21:33 <Celestar> which is what I'm doing. 10:21:35 <Celestar> preinstalling it. 10:21:39 <Celestar> the 64 bit version 10:21:44 <Celestar> or at least attempting to do so. 10:22:03 <Celestar> damn, can I re-export NFS stuff without restarting the NFS server? 10:22:28 <ShadowJK> maybe 10:23:13 <ShadowJK> exportfs? 10:23:43 <ShadowJK> with the -r option 10:24:02 <ShadowJK> On Linux atleast. Don't know about BSD 10:26:04 *** ector- [n=meloditr@ygun.brg.sgsnet.se] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:33:33 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-83-100-198-85.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:34:01 <Sacro> morning all 10:48:48 <Celestar> found it 10:48:51 <Celestar> thanks 10:52:23 <Naksu> http://www.bash.org/?632900 :D 10:58:49 <Celestar> http://www.qdb.us/57407 <= dis one is better :) 10:59:52 <Noldo> that one is good 11:00:58 <Celestar> K Class :) 11:01:03 <Celestar> http://www.nasi.com/hp_K-Class.php 11:01:12 <Celestar> "in built 10Base/T Ethernet" 11:02:04 <Celestar> http://www.qdb.us/57129 <= that one aint bad either. 11:02:31 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-83-100-198-85.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:03:05 <Vornicus> I wonder if he's the guy that lost his server before. 11:03:15 <Celestar> lol 11:03:21 <Celestar> I've lost comps too 11:03:24 <Celestar> in the department 11:03:28 <Celestar> took me 2 weeks to find it. 11:04:57 <Celestar> http://www.qdb.us/57018^^ 11:07:53 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@tnt-1-90.easynet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:11:52 <Bjarni> <Celestar> I've lost comps too <-- I never went that far. All I lost have been CDs/floppy disks 11:12:30 <Vornicus> I have lost computers, but not while they were running. 11:12:41 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-213-249-184-246.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:12:44 <Bjarni> bbl 11:14:42 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@tnt-1-90.easynet.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 11:20:47 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B81193.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:20:58 <stillunknown> what is the easiest way to solve an overflow in integer calculations(larger tha 2^31)? 11:21:25 <ShadowJK> use long long ;) 11:21:47 <Vornicus> Use a more numerically stable form of the calculation. Show me? 11:22:30 <ShadowJK> :) 11:22:39 <stillunknown> the calculations are physics realistic acceleration and i'm trying to improve accucasy with fixed point math 11:23:05 <stillunknown> *accuracy 11:23:39 <Vornicus> (in general, overflow can be prevented by using floating point math, or by making sure that all intermediate results are between the inputs and the intended output.) 11:24:10 <stillunknown> floating point is a no go 11:24:38 <stillunknown> peter told speed related calculations may not be floating point 11:24:49 <stillunknown> (multiplayer related) 11:25:06 <Vornicus> oh, you need cross-platform accuracy. 11:25:27 <stillunknown> do long long "blend" with int or do i need to redeclare everything? 11:25:30 <Vornicus> Which means no floating point because every platform picks something different. 11:25:54 <Vornicus> long long can be a pain in the ass; show me the caluclations you need to do, and we can work on making the thing numerically stable. 11:27:04 <stillunknown> return(fxtoi(Mulfx(Divfx(itofx(force),itofx(1000*T_ACCEL_MAGIC_CONSTANT)),itofx(mass)))); 11:27:07 <stillunknown> this is one 11:27:33 <stillunknown> the *fx* stuff are macros is fixed point stuff 11:27:37 <Vornicus> okay. 11:28:03 <stillunknown> note by original author: 11:28:04 <stillunknown> ** force * T_ACCEL_MAGIC_CONSTANT may reach 2^31 = 2 147 000 000 if force is larger than (say) a few millions 11:28:07 * Vornicus fiddles with it. 11:28:19 <Vornicus> aha 11:28:25 <stillunknown> return (force / 1000 * T_ACCEL_MAGIC_CONSTANT / mass); 11:28:33 <stillunknown> this was the original 11:29:04 <stillunknown> can't i delare a int64? 11:29:15 <Vornicus> you can, but I'm not sure it's necessary. 11:29:42 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B81193.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:29:42 <Vornicus> force / 1000 * t_accel_magic_constant / mass is the same as (t_accel_magic_constant / 1000) * force / mass 11:30:23 <Tron> no, it isn't 11:30:33 <Vornicus> it's close, anyway. 11:30:43 <Tron> set force to 1 for example 11:30:48 <stillunknown> the problem was that there are several calculations which cause a deviation of a few km/h in max speed 11:30:54 <Tron> (or any value < 1000) 11:30:59 <Tron> the former is always 0 then 11:31:17 <Vornicus> Is this integer arithmetic or float/fixed? 11:31:23 <Vornicus> It looks float/fixed. 11:31:47 <stillunknown> fixed but with converted int's and output is int too 11:32:05 <Vornicus> Okay, then mine is right; tron was assuming integer arithmetic. 11:32:25 <Celestar> Tron: did you have a chance to look at this? http://bugs.openttd.org/task/102 11:33:47 <Tron> mom 11:34:38 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:34:42 <Tron> the whole IsRoad() thingie is suboptimal 11:35:05 <Celestar> we need a quick fix for this bug 11:36:24 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:38:07 <stillunknown> @Vornicus: that didn't work, is there anything besides going to long long or int64? 11:41:43 <stillunknown> i see a potential problem, let me try :-) 11:42:17 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B84213.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:42:22 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84213.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Success] 11:43:55 <Vornicus> Note that if you're careful you can do multiple different fixed-point precisions. 11:45:12 <stillunknown> i've moved some of the calculations to fixed point variables, to prevent possible overload of the return int 11:45:37 <Celestar> why do we need that big numbers? 11:46:34 <stillunknown> it's the force provided by a train, which gets pretty big quickly 11:47:08 <stillunknown> i'm just making small modifycations to a patch which is not accurate enough 11:48:46 <stillunknown> how "long" is a long? 11:49:15 <stillunknown> (the fixed points are stored in a long, which may be too small) 11:49:20 <Vornicus> long is 32 bits 11:49:21 <peter1138> it needs to be integer 11:49:36 <Vornicus> long long is 64. 11:49:39 <Vornicus> usually. 11:49:48 <ShadowJK> long is 64bits on AMD64 11:50:01 <ShadowJK> 32bits on x68 11:50:07 <Vornicus> x86 11:50:23 <stillunknown> int64, int128,etc, do those have use performance penalties? 11:50:37 <stillunknown> *huge 11:50:52 <ector> int128 does not exist, __int64 isn't horribly slow and is 100% speed on amd64 11:51:12 <ector> long is not 64-bits on windows, only on unix 11:51:23 <Celestar> on AMD64 adding two int64s should be 1 cycle 11:51:25 <ector> you have to use safe typedefs 11:51:40 <ector> if you really need 64bit ints 11:51:48 <Vornicus> I don't know if "huge" applies, but they are considerably slower than int32 calculations on 32-bit processors like Power and x86. 11:51:50 <Celestar> long long is always 64 bits afaik. 11:52:09 <ector> long long isn't standard and doesn't exist on MSVC 11:52:23 <ector> these things are very badly standardized 11:52:31 <Celestar> MSVC.crappiness++; 11:52:32 <ector> so you have to kludge per compiler 11:52:37 <Vornicus> how much slower depends on the architecture and the operation 11:52:41 <stillunknown> int and int64 cooperate well when mixed in calculations? 11:52:47 <Celestar> ERROR: buffer overflow in MSVC.crappiness 11:52:53 <ector> stillunknown, as well as short<->int 11:53:02 <Celestar> stillunknown: why do you need that big variables? 11:53:12 <ector> msvc isn't crappy, long long is a gcc "extension" to the standard 11:53:19 <ector> it doesn't really exist 11:53:27 <Vornicus> What is the magic number we're talking about here? and what are some typical force and mass numbers? 11:54:09 <stillunknown> ratio between SI and ottd units 11:54:17 <stillunknown> 220 in this case 11:54:26 <Celestar> stillunknown: whats the computation in question again? 11:54:28 <ector> fixed point math should be done with powers of 2 as multipliers since you can use shifts instead of multiplications anyway 11:54:39 <ShadowJK> I thought they had long long in C99 11:54:49 <Celestar> MSVC doesn'T know about C99 11:54:58 <Celestar> for (int i ... ) fails 11:55:20 <stillunknown> @Celestar: acceleration calculations 11:55:20 <Noldo> what? there is bcd fixedpoint math in ode? 11:55:25 <ShadowJK> Yes yes, we know MS doesn't care much about standards :) 11:56:07 * Vornicus fears bcd. 11:56:13 <ector> MSVC's C++ compiler is more standards compliant than GCC, unfortunately the same thing can't be said about it's C compiler :P 11:57:23 *** ector [n=meloditr@ygun.brg.sgsnet.se] has quit ["Hi, I'm a quitmessage virus. Replace your qmess and help me take over IRC"] 11:57:25 <Celestar> ector: well but you can't always fit whatever you want to do in powers of two. 11:57:41 <Celestar> plus: multiplications are not THAT slow normally. 11:57:57 <Celestar> about 1.4 cycles on the average on a K8 core 11:58:26 <ShadowJK> http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-ctypes3/index.html 11:58:37 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:11:07 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:24:13 *** RoySmeding_ [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 12:26:59 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-213-249-184-246.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:35:09 <stillunknown> is there any special requirement for declaring an int64? 12:35:33 <Vornicus> not really 12:41:19 <stillunknown> strange, i'm inside a function and the compiler thinks otherwise :-| 12:43:41 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 12:46:25 <stillunknown> my mistake ofcource :-) 12:48:05 <stillunknown> can int32 and int64 be mixed in calculations without giving it another thought? 12:52:18 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:55:07 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Don't worry, I'll be back tomorrow to annoy you then :)"] 12:57:40 <Vornicus> The output is usually int64. 12:57:45 <Vornicus> You'll have to fiddle with it. 12:57:57 <Vornicus> to get it to something usual. But that's not too bad. 12:59:00 <stillunknown> is there anyway to get a function to spiff out an log with the calculations of a specific funtion for debugging purpose? 13:00:32 <Belugas> Tron : ping ? 13:01:56 <Vornicus> stillunknown: printf etc? 13:02:32 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 13:06:13 * Brianetta explodes messily 13:08:00 * valhallasw tapes Brianetta back together 13:08:13 <Brianetta> Hmm, leaky still 13:08:37 * stillunknown uses woodfiller to fill the holes 13:08:38 <Brianetta> I have my new tent 13:08:39 * valhallasw adds some glue 13:08:48 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 13:08:57 <Brianetta> This tent exceeds my previous tent records in three respects. 13:09:07 <Brianetta> 1. It's the largeswst tent I have ever owned. 13:09:15 <Brianetta> 2. It's the lightest tent I have ever owned. 13:09:29 <Brianetta> 3. It's the most expensive tent I have ever owned. 13:11:47 <valhallasw> interesting 13:13:12 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B81193.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 13:14:00 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81193.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:25:38 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-142-88.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 13:26:32 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:28:55 *** MagicJohn [n=magical@host81-156-145-209.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:28:56 *** MagicJohn [n=magical@host81-157-122-180.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:33:44 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has joined #openttd 13:39:14 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:40:41 *** verl [i=verl@c-8b17e155.528-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 13:41:08 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 13:46:06 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-83-100-200-28.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:46:08 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-83-100-200-28.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [] 13:46:11 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-83-100-200-28.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:47:07 <Noldo> does openttd have the revision number in the tilebar also on windows? 13:47:34 <Sacro> Noldo: nightlies do 13:48:29 <Noldo> how is it done? 13:48:52 <Darkvater> Noldo: check video/win32_v.c, easy 13:49:07 <Sacro> i think its part of hWnd 13:49:12 <Noldo> Darkvater: thanks 13:49:15 <Tron> Darkvater: i don't think that's his question 13:49:17 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-20144.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 13:49:54 <Tron> the magic is in the Makefile 13:49:56 <glx> Noldo: in Makefile, svnversion is runned to get revision, then rev.c is created according to that value 13:50:47 <glx> hmm runned is not english :) 13:50:57 <Noldo> That magic I found 13:51:05 <Darkvater> ah 13:51:06 <RichK67> glx: in my mingw32, i always get sh.exe svnversion not found, but generally ignore it. should i have this prog somewhere, or is it missing in mingw32? 13:51:24 <glx> RichK67: you need command line client of svn 13:51:39 <RichK67> where do i get it from 13:52:04 <Sacro> glx: runned => ran 13:52:15 <RichK67> i use tortoiseSVN for all my SVN stuff 13:52:26 <glx> Sacro: thanks :) 13:52:40 <Sacro> glx: your welcome :) 13:52:44 <glx> RichK67: http://subversion.tigris.org/ 13:53:07 <glx> but maybe tortoise has it too but not in mingw32 path 13:53:07 <RichK67> sacro: glx: in your sentence it is "run", 13:53:40 <RichK67> glx: ty 13:53:48 <Sacro> RichK67: either is legal 13:54:00 <Tron> not really 13:54:07 <Sacro> depends whether your talking in past tense or present 13:54:29 <Tron> if a process is described it's always simple present 13:55:35 <RichK67> sacro: nope... "is ran" is not english... "is run" is. 13:56:54 <Sacro> no, ran = was run 13:57:48 <FauxFaux> I ran into your mum != I was run into your mum. 13:57:53 <RichK67> sacro: look, i spent 11 years as a technical author; his sentence 100% is "svnversion is run to get revision"... not "svnversion is ran to get revision" 13:58:14 <Sacro> not "the revision"? 13:58:37 * Sacro is never going to pass GCSE english :( 13:58:49 <RichK67> yeah, i just didnt correct that bit... technically it would be better to say "svnversion is executed to obtain the revision" 13:59:21 <RichK67> english is a pig.. :) 14:00:03 <orudge> It is "is run", not "is ran" 14:00:08 <orudge> as people have said ;) 14:00:38 <Sacro> orudge: leave me alone! i got thrown out of english at 14 :( 14:01:49 <Tobin> Sacro: Don't worry at lot of native speakers don't write as well as you. 14:01:52 <Tobin> Sadly. 14:03:12 <RichK67> yeah, i once edited a manual that contained a 107 word sentence, with only 2 commas.... if you tried to read it out loud, you ran out of breath around word 65! 14:03:25 <Sacro> nasy 14:03:27 <Sacro> *nasty 14:03:52 <Tobin> Heh. 14:04:12 <RichK67> glx: about svn do i have to use the command line version to checkout, or can i continue using tortoise? 14:04:24 <FauxFaux> RichK67: You can continue using tortoise. 14:04:51 <RichK67> and svn will use tortoise's checkout? 14:05:04 <RichK67> use/point to/refer to 14:05:50 <glx> if you have .svn directory in your checkout, it should be ok 14:06:38 <RichK67> ok, good, i may try it 14:06:54 <glx> just be sure svnversion is in mingw32 path 14:14:12 <RichK67> ok - but will it cope ok with my 5 separate downloads of trunk? (i keep my developments in separate checkouts) 14:14:46 <glx> it's not a problem 14:15:11 <RichK67> okies 14:25:51 *** lc [n=lc@pchelix1.univ-lyon1.fr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:36:32 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 14:44:03 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3E1FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 15:11:02 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit ["Leaving."] 15:17:10 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 15:19:45 *** jerome_ [n=jerome@124-198.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 15:25:53 <Belugas> Tron Ping ? 15:26:23 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 15:42:21 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tsch??"] 15:42:23 *** |Jeroen| [n=users@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:56:11 <Celestar> ok guys 15:56:12 <Celestar> I'm off 15:56:17 <Celestar> and on the road tomorrow 15:56:20 <Celestar> so c u sunday. 15:56:29 <MiHaMiX> Celestar: C U :) 15:56:53 <Tobin> Night. 15:57:08 <CIA-5> celestar * r4317 /trunk/ (ship_cmd.c station_map.h): -Codechange: More map accessors for ship_cmd. it is now map-access free, but still requires a huge cleanup 15:57:09 <Celestar> night Tobin 15:57:10 <Celestar> :) 15:58:35 <Celestar> I expect you guys to hit 4350 this weekend :P 16:02:45 <TrueLight> RichK67: ping 16:07:06 *** |VillageIdiot| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:08:09 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 16:12:12 <RichK67> pong 16:12:32 <RichK67> Truelight: ping pong in fact ;) 16:14:34 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCABD54.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 16:15:37 <MiHaMiX> http://dampf.webmedia.hu/index.php?showgal=15&page= 16:16:02 <MiHaMiX> pictures about old dieselengines from hungary (Ganz-Mavag) 16:21:52 <stillunknown> what is the meaning of >> in c? 16:22:13 <RichK67> bit shift down 16:22:33 <RichK67> ie. 32 >> 3 = 4 16:23:07 <stillunknown> i don't see the logic in that 16:23:43 <RichK67> 32 bitshift to right 3 times... 32 becomes 16 becomes 8 becomes 4 16:24:07 <stillunknown> thank you 16:24:30 <stillunknown> what happens if 33 >> 3? 16:24:41 <stillunknown> because the one is already the first bit 16:24:47 <RichK67> the lower bits are lost 16:25:06 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [i=Q@p54A7F72D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:25:38 <RichK67> its often used in OTTD to take the upper nibble of a byte... eg. 255 >> 4 = 15 16:26:12 <stillunknown> int speed = (v->cur_speed * 5 / 9 + 1) >> 1; i saw this and wondered what exactly it did 16:26:23 <RichK67> halves it 16:27:03 <RichK67> so it takes 5/9ths of v->cur_speed, and rounds it up to nearest int 16:27:12 <stillunknown> that i know 16:27:16 <stillunknown> now 16:27:33 <stillunknown> i had seen the >> and it's kind of hard to google for that :-) 16:27:44 <stillunknown> *seen the >> several times already 16:28:28 <RichK67> sorry - my interpretation isnt quite right on that v->cur_speed line... it halves the amount in the bracket tho 16:30:21 *** |VillageIdiot| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:31:21 *** |VillageIdiot| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:33:28 <SimonRC> stillunknown: >> and << are bit shifts 16:33:47 <stillunknown> RichK67 ansered that 16:33:50 <SimonRC> thery return the shift of their left argument by the amount of their right argument 16:33:57 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:34:01 <SimonRC> oh, wait, so he did 16:34:27 <SimonRC> negative shifts are not permitted 16:35:06 <RichK67> which is silly really since a -ve << is a >> shift 16:35:30 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [i=Q@p54A7F72D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:01 <stillunknown> i am away now, thanks for everyones patience today :-) 16:40:00 <TrueLight> RichK67: still here? :) 16:42:02 <TrueLight> guess not ;) 16:42:03 <TrueLight> bbl :) 16:43:31 *** |MeusH| [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 16:43:38 <|MeusH|> hello 16:43:43 *** |MeusH| is now known as Meush 16:44:09 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:45:24 *** Meush [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 16:45:28 <RichK67> hi truelight 16:49:04 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 16:49:25 <RichK67> truelight: just saw your comment in the mini IN thread - it might work, but im concerned that it will be difficult to keep all the patches working across any major SVN updates 16:49:48 <RichK67> truelight: lots of workload for me i fear 16:50:53 <Sacro> RichK67: you need minions 16:51:07 <RichK67> muhahahaha :) 16:53:16 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [i=Q@p54A7F72D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:53:19 *** Angst [n=Angst@p549465E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:54:13 * Sacro finds openttd-0.1 16:56:02 <MiHaMiX> lol ;) 17:04:16 <DaleStan> Is there an accessor for _m[tile].m5? 17:04:48 <RichK67> GetTileType(tile) I think 17:06:16 <Belugas> m5 is used for more then one type of tile. For which one DaleStan? 17:06:42 <DaleStan> Either MP_VOID or MP_CLEAR. 17:08:04 <Belugas> clear_map.h for MP_CLEAR 17:08:13 <DaleStan> GetTileType accesses type_height. 17:08:18 <Belugas> as for void... DOn't think it is much required ;) 17:08:59 <RichK67> belugas - its used in map creation, which is part of the PNGload thing Dalestan is updating 17:09:43 <RichK67> Dalestan: i used some of the PNGload code in doing some of the basics in TGPerlin. you may find the answers i found in my code 17:09:53 <Belugas> Ho! Ok. Good thing 17:10:10 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:10:51 <Belugas> I think landscape.html should be updated : what to use, where it is etc... 17:11:12 <RichK67> IIRC i had to add some error checking to ensure i didnt try to access SetTileHeight for a MP_VOID tile 17:13:22 <Belugas> For void, the only thing that has been done is on void_map.h -> MakeVoid 17:14:28 *** e1ko [n=31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 17:14:39 <RichK67> a check was added to SetTileHeight to ensure that VOID tiles werent updated. so i had a nice CTD, even though I later edged the map with MP_VOID before it was going to be used in game 17:16:48 <RichK67> sorry - on settiletype, not tileheight - i havent got my code in front of me ;( 17:19:25 <RichK67> gotta go.. bbl 17:19:27 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 17:22:00 *** x87 [n=x87@tor/session/x-270918044415f333] has joined #openttd 17:26:43 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_AfK 17:29:14 * SimonRC eats food 17:29:29 <Sacro> grr im hungry 17:38:33 *** BurtyB [n=chris@cpc3-nwrk1-0-0-cust410.nott.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:48:25 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A1EF.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:49:30 *** TrueLight is now known as TL|Away 17:58:21 *** BJH__ [n=chatzill@e176113154.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:08:04 *** |VillageIdiot| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:08:22 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-83-100-200-28.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:08:32 *** |VillageIdiot| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:12:46 <peter1138> hmm, yeah, should SetTileHeight assert if it's a VOID tile? 18:12:49 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176112200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:13:47 <KUDr> peter1138: probably yes 18:14:09 <KUDr> it is map edge, or not? 18:18:15 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 18:24:13 *** AlexFili[TT-PS1] [n=AlexFili@host81-152-92-24.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:24:17 <AlexFili[TT-PS1]> hi peeps 18:28:26 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:28:48 <AlexFili[TT-PS1]> anyone there? :p 18:29:30 *** faassen [n=faassen@a80-127-80-154.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 18:32:41 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:34:09 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 18:34:13 *** BurtyB [n=chris@cpc3-nwrk1-0-0-cust410.nott.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:38:53 * AlexFili[TT-PS1] pokes room 18:40:32 <valhallasw> http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/dlink/ :| 18:40:38 <AlexFili[TT-PS1]> hi there :p 18:41:31 <valhallasw> i'm not here \o/ 18:43:07 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host81-152-92-24.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:53:43 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host81-152-92-24.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 18:59:16 *** AlexFili[TT-PS1] [n=AlexFili@host81-152-92-24.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:02:41 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 19:02:47 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:05:23 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:15:46 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 19:19:36 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E364.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:26:51 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81193.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 19:42:51 <Bjarni> valhallasw: so you are saying that if you are big enough, you can make DDoS attacks in the open and nothing happens about it? 19:43:20 <Bjarni> that seems fair... if you are that big 19:43:25 <Bjarni> for the rest of us.... 19:44:01 <valhallasw> well, yeah, pretty much 19:45:42 *** Sacro [i=Ben@87.102.2.175] has joined #openttd 19:45:55 <valhallasw> Shall we ask D-link to join lilo's april 1st effort? :P 19:45:55 <BurtyB> d-link suck 19:46:04 <BurtyB> ditto with lilo 19:47:06 * valhallasw slaps BurtyB 19:47:14 <Bjarni> d-link suck lilo? o_O 19:49:07 * BurtyB would like to see D-link being DDoS'd via all of those routers :) 19:49:16 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:51:31 *** Sacro [i=Ben@87.102.2.175] has quit ["Sacro has no reason"] 19:59:23 *** Scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:03:30 *** jnmbk [n=jnmbk@85.103.84.244] has joined #openttd 20:13:37 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:19:17 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [i=Q@p54A7F72D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:42 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 20:28:52 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:30:51 *** izhirahider [n=izhirahi@unaffiliated/izhirahider] has joined #openttd 20:37:48 <izhirahider> Hi. There seems to be a bug with svn r4317, I started a new campaign, new trains keep on being "discovered", but they don't appear in the train list to build. For instance, I'm now in 1975, and the newest train I got on the list is Floss '47' from 1962 (Diesel). Some electric ones showed up as being discovered but they don't appear in the list. 20:38:03 <hylje> elrails? 20:38:10 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [i=Q@p54A7F72D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:38:18 <XeryusTC> izhirahider: build a erail depot 20:38:24 <hylje> if true, you need to have electrified depots and lines to get them 20:39:23 <izhirahider> hmmm 20:39:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> you need electric lines to run electric engines ;) 20:41:03 <izhirahider> Do you happen to know where that is built? 20:41:10 <Bjarni> yeah 20:41:15 <izhirahider> or how 20:41:18 <Bjarni> the same way sa monorail 20:41:21 <Bjarni> *as 20:41:22 <XeryusTC> click and hold the build thingy 20:41:32 <XeryusTC> select the second item in the list 20:41:51 <izhirahider> ah, indeed! 20:42:00 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 20:42:12 <izhirahider> this is different from the original ttd, nice :) 20:42:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can either build new lines, or upgrade the old ones via the "convert rail" button 20:43:07 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E364.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 20:44:10 <izhirahider> Eddi|zuHause2: where is that convert button? 20:44:24 <XeryusTC> izhirahider: next to the tunnel tool 20:44:26 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:44:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> pretty far on the right 20:44:48 <XeryusTC> the thing with the big yellow arrow 20:45:09 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?2142 <-- I got to remember this one :D 20:45:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> right click on a button to see what it does 20:45:20 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E364.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:45:32 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:46:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> rofl :) 20:46:03 <izhirahider> Eddi|zuHause2: Do we have to convert train depots too? 20:46:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 20:46:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> but that can be done while there are trains inside, i believe 20:48:58 *** |MeusH| [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 20:49:57 <izhirahider> thanks for the help guys 20:50:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... fun... (or bug ;)) Celestar: you can downgrade a depot to normal rail while there is an electric engine inside, if you then start the engine, it can leave the depot, despite not being electrified 20:51:29 <|MeusH|> hi 20:51:32 *** |MeusH| is now known as MeusH 20:52:31 <MeusH> DaleStan_ probably I have asked this before, but what's stopping "Importing Heightmaps to OpenTTD" from being merged into the trunk? 20:52:31 <izhirahider> one other thing: I put all .gm files inside gm/ directory for music, it worked the first time, but never again I heard the music. The music jukebox keeps on passing every song continuosly 20:54:28 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Goodbye"] 20:54:33 *** |MeusH| [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 20:54:44 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 20:54:44 <DaleStan> |MeusH|: I don't know. 20:54:44 *** |MeusH| is now known as MeusH 20:54:54 <MeusH> ok, thanks 20:55:15 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 20:57:05 <Bjarni> <Lointamer> oh crap...kids found my vibrators again 20:58:09 <izhirahider> What dependencies are needed to have music in openttd? 20:59:05 <MiHaMiX> bbl, good night 21:00:09 <MeusH> cya MiHaMiX 21:01:33 *** Nubian [n=nubian@217.67.21.194] has joined #openttd 21:01:34 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:01:51 <Belugas_Gone> Good Weekend/night to you all 21:05:58 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:06:11 *** MagicJohn [n=magical@unaffiliated/magicjohn] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:07:21 *** MagicJohn [n=magical@host81-156-198-53.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:08:32 <Bjarni> <pbqd> "Do not attempt to stop chain with your hands or genitals." -Warning label on a swedish chain saw 21:08:45 <Bjarni> if they didn't say that, I would not even have got the idea :p 21:08:51 <hylje> those swedes.. 21:08:52 <Bjarni> I mean the last part 21:09:26 <peter1138> you *would* have the idea of stopping it with your hands? 21:09:47 <Bjarni> hey, I just cut though a 30 cm thick log without any problems, so now I will use my Johnson to stop the chain instead of letting go of the gas handle 21:09:51 <Bjarni> what a bright idea 21:09:59 <Bjarni> actually, that's Darwin at work 21:10:38 <Bjarni> <peter1138> you *would* have the idea of stopping it with your hands? <-- no, but I could image somebody doing it, but with.... wtf 21:11:09 *** JTanczos [n=Blah@24.229.215.188.res-cmts.ovr.ptd.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:22 <Bjarni> also is it advisable to stop the chain with your foot? 21:11:29 <Bjarni> it's not mentioned that you should not do it 21:11:56 <hylje> again, those swedes.. 21:13:27 *** jnmbk [n=jnmbk@85.103.84.244] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:13:34 <Bjarni> the good part is that there are rules that says how long it should take the chain to stop if you let go of the gas handle (that's quick for security reasons) 21:14:18 <Bjarni> <Ohtani> one day I will kill ever person on earth who says 'u' instead of 'u' 21:14:18 <Bjarni> <Ohtani> err 21:14:18 <Bjarni> <kaientai> Ohtani: Planning a suicide run? 21:14:42 <hylje> :-) 21:14:50 <Bjarni> I will not fear Ohtani. He will kill himself before trying to kill me 21:15:06 <Bjarni> crap, I just tried to tab complete Ohtani 21:15:08 <Bjarni> :s 21:18:01 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?5370 <--- such an incident actually got a name, it's called "progress" 21:18:40 <Zr40> http://www.bash.org/?632906 21:18:46 *** Oletimer [i=Oletimer@82-37-1-149.cable.ubr01.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:20:52 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?15840 <-- left hand offset error? 21:21:15 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [i=Q@p54A7F72D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["http://mir.ist-langweilig.de/oh_man.jpg/"] 21:21:54 <Bjarni> Zr40: good one, but I would not try to say more stuff to this guy, or maybe I would since he just entered the road to problems 21:23:39 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?17392 <-- LOL 21:24:04 <Oletimer> can someone suggest how i get ottd running after i downloaded it please. 21:25:43 *** Oletimer [i=Oletimer@82-37-1-149.cable.ubr01.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 21:25:48 *** hylje [n=HYLJE@a84-230-90-195.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:25:50 <Bjarni> ... 21:26:12 *** Nubian [n=nubian@217.67.21.194] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:26:53 <Bjarni> well, it's a good thing he left 21:27:09 <Bjarni> I would have kicked him for leaving without leaving time for answers 21:27:15 *** Nubian [n=nubian@217.67.21.194] has joined #openttd 21:27:56 <Zr40> you can't kick someone who's not there 21:32:42 <glx> but you still can ban him :) 21:33:34 <MeusH> Your Johnson : 21:33:40 <MeusH> XD you rock 21:36:03 <Bjarni> ... 21:36:20 <Bjarni> you will damage the chain by trying to stop it by dropping rocks on it 21:36:49 <MeusH> or the balls 21:37:08 <MeusH> balls as heavy as rocks... 21:40:36 <Darkvater> so what did I miss? 21:40:58 <MeusH> Johnson and his commrades, two stone balls 21:41:11 <Qball> and a failed attemped to take over hte world 21:41:20 <Qball> nothing new.. 21:42:52 <Bjarni> you got rocks that small in Poland? 21:43:35 <TL|Away> http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/dlink/ 21:43:44 <TL|Away> We should 'boycot' DLink :) 21:45:26 <Darkvater> gn all :) 21:45:28 *** Darkvater [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 21:46:34 *** Angst [n=Angst@p549465E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:47:17 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B34C5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:48:17 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:48:45 <Brianetta> 0.3.6 released - thread necromancy. 21:49:37 <Bjarni> TL|Away: I already do that 21:50:05 <TL|Away> Bjarni: so do I, but still 21:50:10 <TL|Away> Brianetta: I already have 0.4.7, but okay 21:50:11 <TL|Away> :p 21:50:52 *** |VillageIdiot| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:51:27 <Bjarni> somebody should put this on slashdot.org to make people realise this 21:51:45 <Bjarni> somehow I'm not surprised 21:52:26 *** Nubian [n=nubian@217.67.21.194] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:52:27 *** e1ko_AfK [n=31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 21:53:04 <TL|Away> Bjarni: go ahead 21:53:36 <TL|Away> night all 21:55:28 <MeusH> cya 21:55:29 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Goodbye"] 22:22:48 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:24:56 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:24:58 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E364.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 22:29:39 <JTanczos> Bjarni: i had sent him here from #tycoon because it was such a general question about ottd 22:29:47 <JTanczos> i figured he would stick around longer 22:30:15 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498CB17.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:37:59 *** Gussoh^ is now known as Gussoh 22:38:21 <Born_Acorn> Pikkabird's signals are great. Lets ask him to make semaphores to replace the lanky ones we currently have! 22:41:49 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A1EF.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:42:23 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCABD54.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 22:43:42 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 22:51:18 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:51:27 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit ["<volcone> tycker inte man borde få idrotta i skolan, eftersom man springer så jävulskt mkt i wow"] 23:06:29 <Bjarni> goodnight 23:06:33 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x53588af2.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:07:04 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-142-88.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 23:15:52 *** Richk67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 23:24:45 <Richk67> hi all 23:25:01 <glx> hi Richk67 23:26:28 <Richk67> gone quiet tonite 23:26:49 <glx> yeah that happens sometime :) 23:27:04 <glx> does svnversion work for you? 23:27:32 <Richk67> dunno - not downloaded it to home computer.. i downloaded earlier at work... what was that url again? 23:29:01 <glx> http://subversion.tigris.org 23:29:11 <glx> but I can't reach it now :( 23:30:02 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["/quit"] 23:30:49 <Richk67> yeah, no response here too 23:31:11 <Richk67> ive bookmarked it tho - i'll try again sometime this weekend 23:36:36 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-13679.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:40:33 <izhirahider> Is there a way to erase just the intersection of a road without eliminating the whole square first? 23:41:16 <izhirahider> i.e, I have a 'T', and I want an 'I' only without erasing everything 23:41:34 <glx> use the "remove" button 23:41:35 <Richk67> you can use the road remove tool (select the road sort you want, then press "R") 23:41:55 <glx> it's the bulldozer 23:42:16 <izhirahider> thanks 23:42:18 <izhirahider> I got it 23:42:23 <Richk67> np 23:43:39 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 23:49:13 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has joined #openttd