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TRANSPORT! TYCOON! DELUXE! OPENTTD HAS IT ALL 02:20:34 <kbrooks> Hi all 02:22:06 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:23:08 <ThePizzaKing> indeed 02:25:52 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Connection timed out] 02:36:28 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:47:45 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 02:51:10 *** joed [n=James@CPE-58-166-8-210.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:51:32 *** joed [n=James@CPE-58-166-8-210.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:55:01 <ThePizzaKing> what, CIA-5's gone :o 02:55:10 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 02:55:32 <ThePizzaKing> well, that was cool 02:55:42 <kbrooks> openntd is slow. why. 02:55:50 <kbrooks> openttd is slow. why. 02:57:42 *** joed [n=James@CPE-58-166-8-210.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:01:59 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Don't worry, I'll be back tomorrow to annoy you then :)"] 03:02:06 <Tobin> kbrooks: How is it slow? 03:04:05 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:05:52 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 03:14:40 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 03:16:40 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 03:29:51 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 03:32:16 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 03:35:41 *** TPK [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:36:07 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 03:36:15 *** TPK is now known as ThePizzaKing 03:39:39 *** Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: eQualizer, Zahl22, stavrosg, SimonRC, izhirahider, Kalpa, MagicJohn, Kjetil, BurtyB, Tobin, (+7 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 03:39:49 *** Netsplit over, joins: Tobin, Zahl22, dst_, Forexs, stavrosg, MagicJohn, izhirahider, BurtyB, valhallasw, michi_cc (+7 more) 03:41:33 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-201-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! It was you wasn't it!?"] 03:51:29 *** jnmbk [n=jnmbk@81.213.69.40] has joined #openttd 03:58:29 *** dp__ [n=dp@p54B2CD2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:02:38 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 04:06:07 *** joed [n=James@CPE-58-166-8-210.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Client exiting"] 04:12:59 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2F5F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:13:00 *** dp__ is now known as dp-- 04:20:05 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 04:21:30 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 04:44:48 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:48:48 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 05:06:11 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 05:16:55 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:21:59 *** jnmbk [n=jnmbk@81.213.69.40] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:22:33 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 05:58:31 *** jnmbk [n=jnmbk@81.213.69.40] has joined #openttd 06:12:41 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 06:56:26 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 07:02:11 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 07:04:02 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:08:07 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A1FD.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 07:33:03 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 07:34:43 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 07:46:43 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:49:32 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 07:53:40 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 07:54:57 *** dst_ [n=dennis@p213.54.80.124.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:55:37 *** dst_ [n=dennis@p213.54.85.155.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #openttd 08:01:33 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 08:02:27 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 08:03:00 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Don't worry, I'll be back tomorrow to annoy you then :)"] 08:09:48 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B8120D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:10:18 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B832E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:18:33 *** jacke^ [n=mm@h217n2fls33o1104.telia.com] has joined #openttd 08:20:05 *** stavrosg_ [n=stavrosg@athedsl-58494.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 08:33:50 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-20144.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:36:31 *** jerome_ [n=jerome@124-198.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 08:40:20 <stillunknown> what is a normal mass for rail freight car? 08:40:30 *** x87 [i=id@207.44.180.3] has joined #openttd 08:44:48 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 08:46:15 <Vornicus> Depends on the kind of freight, the gauge, the country... 08:47:23 <stillunknown> bulk hopper(or similar), late twentieth century 08:48:35 <stillunknown> is 15-20 metric tonnes a reasonable mass? (i'm wondering if i've messed up rail cars weight) 08:49:12 *** gone`Nijn [n=Detonato@a80-127-25-50.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:49:18 <Vornicus> Sounds approximately right. 08:49:33 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:50:34 <stillunknown> then i only have to worry about the buildscreen saying a coal wagon will fit 500 metric tonnes of coal :-) 08:51:34 *** Gamble [i=BLAZER@cc825580-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 08:51:37 <Gamble> hey 08:53:48 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:54:15 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 08:56:44 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 08:56:55 <stillunknown> what's the normal weight for a truck? 08:57:16 *** jnmbk [n=jnmbk@81.213.69.40] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:57:32 <Gamble> with the thing where the cargo goes on? 08:57:34 <Gamble> or just the cabin? 08:57:51 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 08:58:24 <stillunknown> the ttd kind :-) 08:58:36 <stillunknown> where the cargo goes on 08:59:07 <Gamble> the normal weight.. lol i dont what the normal weight is for an ingame truck 08:59:47 <Gamble> look at the weight for like 3 trucks and take the average? 09:00:12 <stillunknown> i've been messing with my game and it's easier to ask then recompile an unmodified version :-) 09:00:36 <Gamble> well i dont know, sorry 09:01:16 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 09:03:59 <peter1138> stillunknown: they don't have weight 09:04:53 <stillunknown> peter1138: guess i've been playing with the physics patches too long :-) 09:06:22 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 09:07:07 *** CIA-5 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 09:08:09 <stillunknown> @peter1138: i'm ironing out the last few bugs of the physics patches (imo) which probably broke on recent trunk 09:21:31 *** Gamble` [i=BLAZER@cc825580-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:25:46 <michi_cc> is it just me or is flyspray down? 09:29:54 <CIA-5> tron * r4332 /trunk/rail_cmd.c: Turn a table lookup into a ternary operator 09:30:23 <Vornicus> michi: not just you. 09:32:56 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:35:12 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B832E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd ["icebears... take care of them!"] 09:35:40 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B832E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:35:48 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:40:07 *** Gamble [i=BLAZER@cc825580-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:40:13 *** Gamble` is now known as Gamble 09:40:16 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 09:43:35 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:44:23 *** stavrosg_ is now known as stavrosg 09:45:30 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B832E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:45:51 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:48:06 *** SimonRC [n=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 09:49:00 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 09:49:05 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has quit ["Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't understand it"] 09:49:46 *** trayrace [n=kimi@cs78248044.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 09:49:46 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:54:00 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 09:55:01 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 09:55:01 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:59:02 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:00:30 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:03:14 *** Gamble [i=BLAZER@cc825580-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:04:02 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:05:24 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:05:33 <Zr40> bugs is down? 10:05:51 *** chu_ [n=chu@chu.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de] has left #openttd [] 10:05:55 *** Spoco [i=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 10:06:55 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176101077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:07:09 <stillunknown> @Zr40: yes 10:07:35 *** |MeusH| [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 10:07:38 *** Gamble [i=BLAZER@cc825580-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:07:43 *** |MeusH| is now known as MeusH 10:07:44 <MeusH> hi 10:07:46 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498CD17.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:08:59 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: wiki service seems to be down, could you restart it, please? 10:09:02 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:09:34 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:09:52 <MeusH> Developers, please take a look at http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=427771#427771 10:12:36 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498CD17.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:13:48 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498CD17.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:14:02 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:14:07 <Tron> integrated nightly, stable, good joke 10:15:30 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:16:01 <Tron> btw: i totally dislike this term, because there are quite some people who think it's some kind of officially supported thing 10:16:47 <MeusH> Tron, I thought IN won't be a good argument, but there are also others 10:16:59 <MeusH> the most important is probably that people want patches 10:17:10 *** Cheery [n=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:17:15 <MeusH> I fully understand it's time consuming to merge a patch 10:17:24 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B80C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:17:48 <MeusH> but some are being supported for some months, which proves they are bug free 10:17:51 <Tron> people want the moon on a stick and on the other hand flame endlessly if something breaks 10:18:36 <MeusH> Tron: any bug would mean revert. This is the blessing feature of revisions system 10:19:02 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:19:12 <Tron> do you have the slightest idea how time consuming it is to determine the cause of a bug? 10:19:27 <Tron> uh... which of the N changes we made last week causes this problem... 10:19:27 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:20:06 <Tron> atm there are quite enough unstable changes in the works 10:20:18 <Tron> electrified rails 10:20:20 <Tron> multistop 10:20:27 <Tron> map accessor functions 10:21:00 <Tron> the first causes desyncs in an yet unknown way 10:21:11 <Tron> the second is just broken per se 10:21:49 <Tron> and the third changed well above 10.000 lines of code, go figure 10:22:12 <MeusH> Hey Tron, who said about merging patches _now_? 10:22:18 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:22:42 <MeusH> take your time, some people understand developement process more than others 10:22:55 <MeusH> and others, like you, understand it completly 10:23:04 <Tron> oh, btw: from which magic hat do you want to pull 4 active developers? 10:23:05 <MeusH> this is why you are developer, not the "others" 10:23:54 <MeusH> Darkvater, Peter1138, You, Celestar, TrueLight... it's just a matter of you all to agree 10:24:02 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:24:05 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@CPE-60-225-54-52.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:24:20 *** MeusH is now known as MeusH[brb] 10:24:59 <CIA-5> tron * r4333 /trunk/ai/trolly/pathfinder.c: Revert back to a direct map access in one case until the exact conditions for this piece of code are investigated. The IsRoad() function is causing me headaches... 10:25:52 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:26:02 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:26:36 <Tron> truelight isn't available at all, Celestar and Darkvater have quite a tight schedule at work 10:27:23 <Tron> i only have time at the weekends which doesn't even leave enough to do the things i want to get done 10:27:40 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498CD17.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:28:28 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 10:28:37 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:28:49 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:29:02 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:29:04 <Vornicus> Or you could give trunk access to richk. :) 10:31:34 <Tobin> Heh. 10:31:34 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:33:15 <trayrace> hi 10:34:03 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:34:19 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B832E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:35:08 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B832E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:36:10 <trayrace> is it possible to run openttd on a pocketpc (windows mobile 2002/2003) 10:38:55 <Vornicus> how wide is the screen? 10:39:52 <CIA-5> KUDr * r4334 /branch/yapf/yapf/ (18 files in 2 dirs): [YAPF] EOL flag changed to Native 10:40:17 <trayrace> 320x240 or 240x320, most pocketpcs allow flipping of screen 10:40:38 <trayrace> high-end devices seem to have a 480x640 (640x480) screen but they are rare 10:42:30 <Tobin> trayrace: There is a third party port made by some company whose name I forget. 10:42:36 <Tobin> trayrace: Search the forums. 10:42:38 <Vornicus> The widgets at the top of the screen are 640 pixels wide total. 10:42:49 <Vornicus> the PSP port had to scrunch the things together to get them all to fit. 10:43:42 <trayrace> Tobin, ok, i'll check it out 10:44:29 <trayrace> Vornicus, do you think it's possible to place the buttons on two rows? 10:45:00 <Vornicus> you can try. 10:45:23 <Vornicus> I think you'd also have to do that to the rail construction toolbar... 10:46:19 *** b4ka [i=WinNT@200-127-198-118.cab.prima.net.ar] has joined #openttd 10:46:55 <Vornicus> the 320 mark on the current toolbar is smack dab in the center of the rail constructin button. 10:47:30 <Vornicus> oops. the trains button. 10:49:07 <trayrace> http://www.esoftinteractive.com/openttd.html :) 10:49:55 <Vornicus> ...that is practically unplayably small. 10:52:17 <trayrace> yeah :/ 10:52:25 <ThePizzaKing> although it would be cool to have OpenTTD in your pocket all day 10:52:46 <Vornicus> Also they screwed up the UI, they need to at least put separators in the toolbar. 10:59:29 <Vornicus> also I don't see any pictures of the various windows. 11:01:20 *** |Jeroen| [n=users@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:11:04 <SimonRC> Sorry about my connection earlier. 11:11:13 <SimonRC> The whole Uni was dropping off the net. 11:14:46 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:18:35 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:29:00 *** Gamble` [i=BLAZER@cc825580-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 11:30:48 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498F549.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:34:50 <TSC> Is the wiki not working at the moment? 11:35:31 *** b4ka [i=WinNT@200-127-198-118.cab.prima.net.ar] has left #openttd [] 11:38:33 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:40:50 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 11:41:02 *** gone`Nijn [n=Detonato@a80-127-25-50.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:41:41 *** Gamble [i=BLAZER@cc825580-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:49:57 *** Gamble [i=BLAZER@cc825580-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 11:52:55 *** Gamble` [i=BLAZER@cc825580-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:55:28 <TL|Away> wiki runs again 11:55:30 <TL|Away> something was hanging 11:55:42 <peter1138> :/ 11:55:42 <TL|Away> problem has been reported 11:55:45 <TL|Away> tnx TSC :) 11:56:01 <TSC> Yay, it's working 12:00:28 *** Xeryus|bed is now known as XeryusTC 12:01:15 <CIA-5> KUDr * r4335 /branch/yapf/ (lang/english.txt settings.c settings_gui.c variables.h): [YAPF] uint8 yapf_type_ships added to Pathes 12:07:25 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37116.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:14:04 <izhirahider> why do quantities appear in english while the rest appears translated? For instance, I always see "50 _tonnes_ <'of grain' in my own language>" 12:14:45 <Vornicus> Because the translation system is incomplete. 12:15:00 <peter1138> because nobody's translated them 12:15:06 <Vornicus> They're working on it, though. 12:15:07 <izhirahider> no, they are translated 12:15:12 <izhirahider> ok then 12:15:33 <izhirahider> the translation is there in lang/*.txt, it just isn't shown in the game 12:15:49 <peter1138> it is not 12:16:37 <peter1138> the relevant strings starts at STR_UNITS_IMPERIAL and ends at STR_UNITS_VOLUME_LONG_SI 12:17:05 <izhirahider> the translation is in STR_TONS, for the tonnes 12:17:12 <peter1138> it is not 12:17:27 <izhirahider> you mean it is not in the game, or it is not used 12:17:51 <izhirahider> > grep toneladas lang/portuguese.txt 12:17:51 <izhirahider> STR_TONS :toneladas 12:17:57 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B80C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:17:58 <izhirahider> for instance 12:18:09 <izhirahider> but in the game I see "tonnes" instead of "toneladas" 12:18:14 <izhirahider> that's what I meant 12:18:45 <peter1138> that string was never used for cargo display 12:19:08 <SimonRC> Hey, the music files are just re-named MIDI files .'. Standard media players can play them! 12:19:19 <peter1138> the relevant text was in the STR_QUANTITY_* strings 12:19:38 <peter1138> it was STR_QUANTITY_COAL :{COMMA} tonnes of coal, now it is {WEIGHT} of coal 12:20:06 <izhirahider> peter1138: so all translations need to be changed, that's it? 12:20:07 <peter1138> so if you want to translate the STR_UNITS_ strings, that would be grand 12:20:20 <izhirahider> peter1138: because none of the languages i've seen so far use it 12:20:21 <peter1138> updated 12:20:51 <izhirahider> well, a small script could fix that 12:20:51 <peter1138> all languages have been updated to use {WEIGHT} instead of "{COMMA} <word for tonnes>" 12:20:55 <peter1138> no 12:21:00 <peter1138> a script can't translate correctly 12:21:11 <izhirahider> but the translations are already there 12:21:11 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:21:20 <peter1138> the STR_UNITS_* translations are not there 12:21:36 <izhirahider> you mean put what's in STR_TONS to STR_QUANTITY_TONS 12:21:49 <peter1138> no 12:21:52 *** glx [n=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:21:59 <izhirahider> heh, it's hard to understand, sorry 12:22:02 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:22:03 <peter1138> look at english.txt and find the STR_UNITS strings 12:22:10 <peter1138> that is what needs to be translated 12:22:49 <izhirahider> so all other translations are outdated except this one? 12:23:08 <peter1138> english.txt is the base language 12:23:08 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:23:21 <peter1138> so yes 12:23:57 <peter1138> i have not translated them myself as i am not multilingual :) 12:24:01 <izhirahider> so STR_TONS, STR_LITTERS, STR_CRATES, are not used anymore? 12:24:10 <peter1138> it's better to have no translation than an incorrect one 12:24:22 <izhirahider> I agree there 12:24:42 <peter1138> they are used 12:24:59 <peter1138> in *one* string 12:25:18 <peter1138> in the train total capacity 'tab' 12:25:43 <peter1138> (except STR_TONS and STR_LITERS are actually replaced internally with WEIGHT_S and VOLUME_S) 12:27:02 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:27:25 <izhirahider> I'll take a screenshot 12:27:47 <peter1138> i know it's wrong for non english :) 12:29:40 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["And he disappears, like a fox, in the night."] 12:30:33 <izhirahider> I won't mind fixing it in 6 languages, but I have to know exactly what I'm doing first :) 12:30:40 <izhirahider> just a sec. 12:30:47 <peter1138> all you need to do is translate STR_UINTS_* 12:30:52 <peter1138> errr 12:30:53 <peter1138> UNITS :) 12:32:31 <MeusH[brb]> nice one peter1138 :) 12:33:35 <izhirahider> When STR_UNITS_* don't exist, they are replaced by english default ones? 12:33:41 <peter1138> yes 12:33:55 <peter1138> for any string, if it doesn't exist, the english string is used 12:34:02 <peter1138> hence english is the base language 12:35:14 <izhirahider> is STR_QUANTITY still being used? 12:35:18 <izhirahider> _* 12:35:20 <peter1138> yes 12:35:29 <peter1138> they have already been translated 12:35:38 <peter1138> (because it didn't involve adding text) 12:37:59 <izhirahider> Ok, I'll add those STR_UNITS_* here in and check if it's fixed 12:40:10 <izhirahider> What does *_SI mean? 12:40:16 <peter1138> SI 12:40:23 <izhirahider> The SI part :) 12:40:32 <peter1138> systeme international 12:40:38 <peter1138> (or international system, heH) 12:40:44 <izhirahider> ok 12:41:37 <peter1138> basically metric but with some differences 12:41:48 <peter1138> i.e. speed is metres/second instead of kilometres/hour 12:42:33 <izhirahider> Please, explain me how the plural works. the {P "" s} is supposed to add an 's' to the end of the word if it's more than one. But what if the word for singular is totally different from the one in plural? 12:42:36 <Vornicus> SI simply defines the primary measures - the gram, the meter, the second, the ampere, the kelvin... 12:43:08 <peter1138> Vornicus: yeah, that's what i meant :) 12:43:09 <Kalpa> Vornicus: The kilogram, actually. 12:43:25 <peter1138> izhirahider: you have have more than one letter in the P part 12:43:27 <Kalpa> (though a gram of course is 1/1000th of a kilogram) 12:43:34 <peter1138> {P foo bar} 12:43:36 <Vornicus> And depending on what field you're working in, you choose specific sets of unit sizes. 12:43:50 <peter1138> (some langs can have {P foo bar baz}, but i don't pretend to understand that) 12:43:53 <Vornicus> Chemistry usually uses centimeters and grams, physics usually uses meters and kilograms. 12:44:18 <izhirahider> for instance, gallon -> gallons translated to galao -> galoes 12:44:25 <izhirahider> what would I put there? 12:44:39 <peter1138> gal{P ao oes} 12:44:43 <glx> gal{P "ao" "oes"} 12:44:51 <Vornicus> Peter1138: that looks like it might be "no foo, 1 bar, 2 baz" or something. 12:46:00 *** Osai^2 [n=Osai@p54B364E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:04 <peter1138> bah 12:47:13 <peter1138> i need a new toner cartridge 12:47:44 <Kalpa> child{P "" "ren"} ? 12:48:23 <peter1138> i suppose 12:48:59 <glx> or child{P "" ren} (I can't remember if all " are needed :) ) 12:49:09 <peter1138> no they're not 12:49:39 *** jerome_ [n=jerome@124-198.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 12:49:56 <SimonRC> Where are the song names stored? 12:50:13 <izhirahider> alright 12:50:17 <Kalpa> {P "child" "children"} ? 12:50:31 <glx> valid too 12:50:37 <Kalpa> Roger tha.t 12:50:43 <Kalpa> Hmm, too fast typing 12:55:17 *** jerome_ [n=jerome@124-198.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 12:58:10 <izhirahider> I think there might be a bug : even though I have Imperial setting, I still see "litres" instead of "gallons" 12:59:20 <izhirahider> please reproduce it 12:59:32 <peter1138> nope 12:59:42 <peter1138> the original "imperial" setting is... uh ... mixed 13:00:12 <izhirahider> open up an oil well, and open the settings and change it interactively 13:00:35 <peter1138> before this units system is was litres, litres or litres 13:00:40 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-82-115.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 13:00:40 <izhirahider> you see SI changes to m^3, metric to litres, but imperial doesn't change to (as supposed) to STR_UNITS_VOLUME_LONG_IMPERIAL 13:00:42 <peter1138> metric / imperial only applied to speed 13:01:13 <izhirahider> why would you need STR_UNITS_VOLUME_LONG_IMPERIAL then :) 13:01:15 <peter1138> so it is kind of a bug, but the behaviour is as it always was 13:01:19 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 13:01:22 <peter1138> izhirahider: so i can add it at some point :) 13:02:04 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37116.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:02:46 <izhirahider> I guess you still need to fix the unit change too, the units are different but show exactly the same number 13:02:58 <izhirahider> 108 m^3 != 108 litres 13:03:03 *** trayrace [n=kimi@cs78248044.pp.htv.fi] has quit [] 13:16:12 <Zr40> 1 dm^3 == 1 litre, but only for water 13:16:50 <glx> Zr40: 1dm^3 == 1 litre for all liquids 13:16:56 <Qball> isn't liter specified as 1 dm^3, so it doesn't matter what is in there 13:17:05 <Zr40> oh wait, was confused with weight 13:17:16 <peter1138> - 1000, 0, STR_UNITS_VOLUME_SHORT_SI, STR_UNITS_VOLUME_LONG_SI, 13:17:16 <peter1138> + 1, 0, STR_UNITS_VOLUME_SHORT_SI, STR_UNITS_VOLUME_LONG_SI, 13:17:28 <peter1138> should do the trick i think? 13:18:23 <peter1138> (1000 litres = 1 cu. metre) 13:19:51 <Vornicus> Probably 13:20:45 <izhirahider> yes 13:27:12 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:35:01 <SimonRC> Where are the song names stored? 13:37:14 <izhirahider> SimonRC: _song_names[] 13:37:18 <izhirahider> SimonRC: see strings.c 13:37:42 <izhirahider> line 991 13:37:53 <izhirahider> (revision 4335) 13:40:02 <michi_cc> Any dev here to look at http://bugs.openttd.org/task/105 ? 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(patch changes file that has been changed_ 14:59:43 <Noldo> I don't understand what you mean 14:59:49 *** webfreakz [n=Ronald@195.73.147.226] has joined #openttd 14:59:56 <webfreakz> ey 15:00:06 <webfreakz> i get a compiler error: 15:00:18 <stillunknown_> variable = 1; i change it to 3, but a new revision changes it to 2, but i still want it to be 3 15:00:23 <webfreakz> roadveh_cmd.c 15:00:23 <webfreakz> C:$games\#openttd_sources\#ottd_clean\roadveh_cmd.c(1622) : error C2065: 'UINT_MAX' : undeclared identifier 15:00:54 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:01:00 <webfreakz> could anybody help me out with that? :) 15:01:36 <izhirahider> actually, what I said to STR_UNITS_WEIGHT_LONG_SI applies to STR_UNITS_VOLUME_LONG_SI 15:01:44 <izhirahider> m^3 should be replaced by "cubic meters" 15:01:54 <Noldo> stillunknown_: how is that svn diff problem? 15:01:57 <izhirahider> that's why we have LONG and SHORT 15:02:03 <izhirahider> IMHO 15:02:30 *** Messy [i=djkie@user-1783.wfd80a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:02:37 <stillunknown_> i want to svn to make a diff against a revision which is not the revision i made 15:03:08 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:03:09 <peter1138> ... 15:03:28 *** Oncer [n=simon@adsl-239.240.166.194.arpa.as1901.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:27 <glx> stillunknown_: svn diff -r rev 15:05:43 *** Messy [i=djkie@user-1783.wfd80a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 15:06:05 *** Oncer [n=simon@adsl-239.240.166.194.arpa.as1901.net] has left #openttd [] 15:10:11 <stillunknown_> if i do svn checkout on modified sourcecode, will it just apply the diff between the revisions? 15:10:35 <Noldo> stillunknown_: what exactly are you doing? 15:10:36 <peter1138> svn checkout will probably replace it 15:10:39 <peter1138> svn up is what you want 15:11:07 <stillunknown_> @Noldo: i wanted to make a svn diff of some patches because someone asked for them 15:11:24 <stillunknown_> but peter1138 broke my patch 5 minutes after i made it :-) 15:11:33 <webfreakz> i just did a fresh SVN checkout, and got a compiler error in roadveh_cmd.c 15:11:35 <Noldo> stillunknown_: between your working copy and what? 15:12:17 <glx> stillunknown_: just do svn up then svn diff 15:12:31 <webfreakz> i just did a fresh SVN checkout, and got a compiler error in roadveh_cmd.c 15:12:34 <stillunknown_> i made a diff between my working copy and one revision newer than what it was based on 15:12:59 <stillunknown_> but i will do svn up to get the newest revision (unfamiliar with svn) 15:14:57 <webfreakz> i just did a fresh SVN checkout, and got a compiler error in roadveh_cmd.c 15:15:56 *** stillunknown [n=unknown@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:17:23 <Vornicus> You don't have to tell us three times. 15:17:25 <Vornicus> What is the problem. 15:18:07 <webfreakz> roadveh_cmd.c 15:18:07 <webfreakz> C:$games\#openttd_sources\#ottd_clean\roadveh_cmd.c(1622) : error C2065: 'UINT_MAX' : undeclared identifier 15:18:15 <webfreakz> that's what MSVC 6 says 15:18:38 <Vornicus> that value should be in limits.h 15:19:07 <webfreakz> i don't know about that 15:19:15 <webfreakz> how could i do that? 15:23:00 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCABD54.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 15:23:40 <Vornicus> somewhere in the various includes should be limits.h. 15:23:47 <Jaraziah> maybe try (no shure yet, bin a while that i bin in cpp) 15:23:47 *** jnmbk [n=jnmbk@85.97.95.11] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 15:24:02 <Vornicus> If your install of MSVC does not have it, there's something wrong. 15:24:14 <Jaraziah> Ln 1621: uint dist, badness; change to uint dist, badness, minbadness; 15:24:15 <glx> UINT_MAX is used in roadveh_cmd.c since r4259 15:24:26 <webfreakz> yes 15:24:31 <webfreakz> it's been added by Celestar 15:24:43 <Jaraziah> Ln 1622 : uint minbadness = UINT_MAX; change to : minbadness = UINT_MAX; 15:24:48 <webfreakz> http://svn.openttd.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/changeset/4259 15:24:49 <glx> ask him to fix your problem :) 15:25:27 <glx> Jaraziah: your suggestion will not fix it 15:25:43 <webfreakz> undeclared identifier 15:25:59 <webfreakz> :( 15:26:28 <webfreakz> what should i add to limits.h ? 15:26:32 <Jaraziah> int a identifier and apoint value 15:26:42 <Jaraziah> in same line :P 15:27:06 <webfreakz> could you be more precize? :) 15:28:11 <glx> webfreakz: in my mingw limits.h : #define UINT_MAX 0xffffffff 15:28:58 <webfreakz> does it matter where i add this line in limits.h? 15:30:15 <webfreakz> hmm 15:30:22 <webfreakz> this line is already in limits.h? 15:30:57 <glx> is it a question or a constation ? 15:33:57 <peter1138> editting limits.h? that sounds wrong... 15:34:27 <kbrooks> OK 15:34:33 <kbrooks> i need sdome help. 15:35:40 <kbrooks> ihave a bus service between 2 cities, and I'm thinking of expanding the stations... but... 15:36:02 <kbrooks> the stations adjoin a certain road 15:36:22 <kbrooks> and i dontt want tohave to bombard other things near the station 15:36:26 <kbrooks> must i? 15:36:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> what? 15:37:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are no on-road-busstops (yet) 15:37:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> bus terminals must be built on a free tile 15:38:24 <kbrooks> === 15:38:29 <kbrooks> _\ 15:38:44 <kbrooks> the _\ represents the bus stations 15:39:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have no idea, what you are talking about... 15:39:24 <glx> if you can show us a screenshot it will be easier 15:40:50 <kbrooks> well 15:41:03 <kbrooks> i did bvomb an adjoining house so nm 15:41:54 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [i=Q@p54A7C713.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:43:22 * kbrooks curses at this AI 15:43:31 <Vornicus> limits.h should not be changed. 15:43:34 <Vornicus> ever. 15:44:01 <glx> btw limits.h should already have the correct values in it 15:47:06 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 15:47:15 <Vornicus> (some systems will pull limits.h 's actual content from other files, so that it's possible to change architectures or systems without having every possible combination of the two represented as a single file.) 15:47:45 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 15:47:52 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:48:25 <glx> msdn says UINT_MAX is defined in LIMITS.H 15:50:13 <stillunknown_> webfreakz has MSVC6, maybe it's different for that version 15:50:59 <Vornicus> webfreakz, see if you can open limits.h, and then do a find in it for UINT_MAX 15:53:04 <Vornicus> (uint_max by the way is part of the standard C library. It pretty much has to be there.) 15:53:39 *** test [n=test@host225-92.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 15:53:39 *** Qrrbrbirlbel__ [i=Q@p54A7C713.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:53:39 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has joined #openttd 15:53:46 <test> hey 15:58:42 *** Gamble` [i=BLAZER@cc825580-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 15:58:44 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:59:33 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #openttd 15:59:59 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [i=Q@p54A7C713.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:00:10 <MeusH[brb]> hello test 16:00:25 <MeusH[brb]> cya 16:00:31 *** MeusH[brb] [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Goodbye"] 16:00:49 <test> I'm here for the same problem of yesterday, the bugs I reported seems fixed in the SVN but the nightly build is still vulnerable. do you have info about? 16:01:31 <peter1138> when and what was fixed in svn? 16:02:05 <test> I saw the comment in network_udp.c about the UDP packet which caused the returning of the client to the main menu 16:02:06 <Vornicus> The nightly only gets updated, well, nightly. I wouldn't worry about it too much. 16:02:43 <test> (I saw the phrase "thanx to test" so I think it's just referred to the bug I reported) 16:03:18 <glx> test: rev of your nightly? 16:04:12 <test> the nightly is that available in this moment on the server while I saw the comment in the SVN version 4291 16:05:03 <test> I have not found references about the other worst garbage problem affecting the server (the sprite error) but I think you have fixed it too 16:05:16 *** Gamble [i=BLAZER@cc825580-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:08:22 <test> by watching your fixes I think the problem with UDP was in str_validate, do you have more details about? 16:09:52 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 16:10:44 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:11:25 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:11:55 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [i=Q@p54A7C713.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:13:51 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:14:55 <peter1138> test: have you tested SVN? 16:14:59 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [i=Q@p54A7C713.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:15:12 <webfreakz> Vornicus? 16:15:19 <peter1138> if it's still broken in 4326 then it's not fixed 16:15:27 <test> not yet, I was waiting the nightly build because I want to be sure that all the players have the fixed version 16:16:02 <test> anyway now I check if the SVN is fixed 16:16:18 <izhirahider> peter1138: how do I generate a patch here? svn diff > patch.txt ? 16:16:53 <glx> izhirahider: yes but use .patch or .diff instead .txt 16:16:56 <peter1138> yes 16:17:03 <peter1138> not 16:17:05 <peter1138> nod 16:17:06 <peter1138> .diff 16:17:21 <izhirahider> ok 16:20:24 <izhirahider> http://www.spunge.org/~canuck/language_units.diff 16:20:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... this "integrated nightly" thing by richk has problems loading files... 16:20:37 <izhirahider> I only changed three files for now, to see if what I did is ok 16:20:40 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 16:23:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> you might include the affected languages in the filename ;) 16:24:50 <glx> {COMMA} mètre{P " cube" "s cubes"} -> {COMMA} mètre{P "" s} cube{P "" s} 16:24:54 <glx> same for others 16:25:25 <test> I have tested the linux dedicated server and doesn't seem affected by the garbage problem, but the garbage problem could depend by the platform 16:25:52 <izhirahider> glx: ah, I didn't know that syntax, ok, I'll change 16:26:07 <test> I want to test the UDP client problem but at the moment I have problems with my video card so no client 16:26:08 *** jnmbk [n=jnmbk@85.97.95.11] has joined #openttd 16:31:15 <izhirahider> http://spunge.org/~canuck/language_units-pt-pt_BR-fr.diff 16:31:20 <izhirahider> there 16:32:40 <test> peter, did you tested Openttd after having fixed the bugs I reported? 16:32:40 <glx> {COMMA} gal{P "ão" "ões"} <-- remove double quotes 16:33:04 *** Qrrbrbirlbel__ [i=Q@p54A7C713.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:34:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> is there a particular system behind the position of these strings? (relative to the existing ones) 16:34:39 <jnmbk> celestar: could my Turkish Town name generator patch be merged to svn, if not why? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1462983&group_id=103924&atid=636367 16:35:57 <Vornicus> If it's a new feature, I'd bug richk first, he's the integrated build guy. 16:36:04 <izhirahider> glx: ok 16:37:22 <izhirahider> glx: reload 16:37:22 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 16:38:09 <glx> izhirahider: now it's ok, you just need a dev to accept or reject it 16:38:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... 16:38:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> ===> Compiling language german 16:38:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> lang/german.txt:2821: Warning: STR_PURCHASE_INFO_PWAGPOWER_PWAGWEIGHT: Param idx 16:38:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> #0 'POWER' doesn't match with template command 'COMMA' 16:38:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> lang/german.txt:2821: Warning: STR_PURCHASE_INFO_PWAGPOWER_PWAGWEIGHT: Param idx 16:38:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> #1 'WEIGHT_S' doesn't match with template command 'COMMA' 16:38:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> english string: STR_PURCHASE_INFO_PWAGPOWER_PWAGWEIGHT :{BLACK}Powered Wagons: {GOLD}+{COMMA}hp{BLACK} Weight: {GOLD}+{COMMA}t 16:38:47 <Vornicus> I got that too a week or two ago. I was told to wait for MiHaMiX. 16:39:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> german string: STR_PURCHASE_INFO_PWAGPOWER_PWAGWEIGHT :{BLACK}Angetriebene Waggons: {GOLD}+{POWER}{BLACK} Gewicht: {GOLD}+{WEIGHT_S} 16:39:14 <izhirahider> peter1138: when you can check the patch. Thanks. 16:39:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> something does not look right there 16:39:50 <glx> hmm english seems wrong 16:42:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> urks... 16:43:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> changing english.txt recompiles the entire game 16:43:40 <peter1138> heh 16:43:42 <peter1138> most of it 16:44:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> why is english not treated like any other language? 16:44:46 <glx> because english.txt is used to create strings.h 16:45:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> but now the warning is gone ;) 16:46:38 *** Sacro [i=Ben@83.100.255.239] has joined #openttd 16:47:12 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: you used an old english.txt ? 16:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think so... 16:47:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> maybe one of the patches is wrong... 16:48:51 *** guru3_ [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #openttd 16:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> looks like it's the Terragenesis Perlin... 16:49:24 <glx> I asked because current english.txt has no problem 16:49:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> terragenesisperlin_v3h_501.patch has: 16:49:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> -STR_PURCHASE_INFO_PWAGPOWER_PWAGWEIGHT :{BLACK}Powered Wagons: {GOLD}+{POWER}{BLACK} Weight: {GOLD}+{WEIGHT_S} 16:49:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> +STR_PURCHASE_INFO_PWAGPOWER_PWAGWEIGHT :{BLACK}Powered Wagons: {GOLD}+{COMMA}hp{BLACK} Weight: {GOLD}+{COMMA}t 16:50:21 <glx> and there wasn't a conflict when you applied it? 16:50:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> not that i remember.. 16:50:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> i also see no reason for there being one 16:50:47 <glx> indeed 16:51:01 <glx> so blame richk for that :) 16:51:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, i do ;) 16:51:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> mini_in_r4302_150.patch also has it... 16:52:10 <glx> he used his patches to make IN patch :) 16:52:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> so he does not seem to have noticed it 16:53:33 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:54:43 *** guru3_ is now known as guru3 16:56:56 <stillunknown_> is local branching possible? (where i create a reference other than svn) 16:57:49 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [i=Q@p54A7C713.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> a branch is nothing other than a directory 16:59:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> so as long as your filesystem supports directories, that should be possible :) 16:59:20 <stillunknown_> can i use svn diff against something other than a svn revision? 16:59:25 <Celestar> jnmbk: I'll have a look as soon as I can, but that'll take a bit of time. currently I'm full of work till end of April :( 16:59:49 <Sacro> there arent many non directory supporting filesystems 17:00:03 <jnmbk> ok, thanks. 17:00:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> hence the ":)" 17:01:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> stillunknown_: you probably need to use the normal "diff" there, but i really do not know 17:01:29 <Celestar> jnmbk: bug me in about 2 weeks please :) 17:02:03 <jnmbk> celestar: I noted that in korganizer :) 17:03:21 <Celestar> jnmbk: I like that product :) 17:03:31 <michi_cc> Celestar: any chance you can look at http://bugs.openttd.org/task/105 ? seems to involve elrails 17:04:19 <Celestar> michi_cc: will do. 17:04:44 <michi_cc> thanks, maybe you have more insight into that 17:05:00 <Celestar> michi_cc: have you bugged peter1138 as well? 17:05:20 <michi_cc> tried, but no answer so far 17:06:22 <Celestar> michi_cc: investigating.. 17:09:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have added another comment 17:09:27 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 17:10:14 <Sacro> stillunknown_: just do "diff -u (before) (after) 17:15:09 *** guru3 is now known as you_are 17:15:22 *** you_are is now known as guru3 17:15:43 *** Jaraziah [i=Jaraziah@cc66454-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl] has quit ["Dinnertime"] 17:16:13 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [i=Q@p54A7C713.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:16:49 <test> well I need to go, please peter check that doubt about the bugs 17:16:51 <test> BYEZ 17:16:54 *** test [n=test@host225-92.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:18:10 <Celestar> this is weird 17:18:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> Celestar: while you are here, i have something easy for you: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/german_string_too_long_fix.diff and www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/language_units_de.diff 17:19:58 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause2: gimme a couple of minutes, I'm just investigating that bug. 17:20:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> probably easier, if i put that in one diff... 17:20:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/german_fix.diff 17:23:33 <izhirahider> http://spunge.org/~canuck/language_units-pt-pt_BR-fr.diff 17:23:37 <izhirahider> while you're at it :) 17:25:03 <Celestar> er guys :P 17:25:05 <Celestar> chill :P 17:25:42 <Celestar> this bugs seems weird 17:25:45 <glx> important is the bug fix, languages can wait :) 17:26:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> we have a consensus there ;) 17:26:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> this bug was freaking me out... 17:27:23 <Celestar> the rail power is changed somewhere else :P 17:27:26 <michi_cc> Celestar:Ii don't if it helps, but I observed those problems only on rail converted to elrail, but it could be random of course 17:27:33 <Celestar> oh wait. no. 17:27:47 <Celestar> michi_cc: possibly bridges are not converted correctly or something? 17:28:19 <michi_cc> was my guess, but I couldn't spot an obvious error in the code for that 17:28:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> the way i see it, the reproduceable version in my savegame is a problem with bridge over anything that is not an elrail 17:29:54 <michi_cc> I can only say that those lines I quoted on FS are somehow involved, 'cause if I comment them out, everything works as intended 17:31:00 <michi_cc> Celestar: I did have a train that seemed to have lost power near a tunnel, the next bridge was quite far away 17:31:05 <Celestar> uh huh. 17:31:17 <Celestar> (gdb) p GetTileRailType(gp.new_tile, chosen_track) 17:31:17 <Celestar> = INVALID_RAILTYPE 17:31:26 <Celestar> the problem is apparently somewhere else :) 17:31:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> i suppose GetRailTypeOnBridge(u->tile) does not get the type ON the bridge, but UNDER the bridge 17:31:59 <webfreakz> Celestar: 17:31:59 <webfreakz> Last week you modified some source code using UINT_MAX, but my compiler (MSVC 6) gives an error at that line? 17:32:24 <Celestar> webfreakz: do you not have a limits.h file? 17:32:39 <Celestar> webfreakz: KUDr told me that MSVC6 supports it? 17:33:08 <KUDr> yes 17:33:12 <webfreakz> yes, i do have limits.h 17:33:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> but that is probably not the only cause of 0hp 17:34:16 <webfreakz> Celestar: my compiler says: 17:34:16 <webfreakz> C:$games\#openttd_sources\#ottd_clean\roadveh_cmd.c(1622) : error C2065: 'UINT_MAX' : undeclared identifier 17:34:18 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 17:34:41 <Celestar> webfreakz: sync with KUDr, he's using MSVC. I don't touch that thing. 17:34:49 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause2: will it partly is. 17:34:53 <webfreakz> ok :) 17:35:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> without deeper knowledge of the code, i would look in those map accessors ;) 17:35:22 <webfreakz> KUDr: could you help me with that? 17:35:31 <KUDr> can try 17:35:45 <webfreakz> that would be nice :) 17:35:48 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause2: rail_cmd.c has not been midified. 17:36:01 <KUDr> webfreakz: PM 17:36:36 <glx> GetRailTypeOnBridge is correct 17:36:43 <Celestar> ? 17:37:08 <glx> it access the right bits so it is not the responsible 17:37:59 <Celestar> yah 17:38:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... it screws up when the tile under the bridge is elrail, but it fails if it is anything else (i tried empty and conventionel rail) 17:38:30 <glx> but it's not an accessor problem :) 17:38:41 <glx> it's somewhere else 17:38:52 *** Zothar_ [n=chatzill@adsl-69-155-218-8.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> then it's maybe a storage problem? that the accessed data is wrong in the first place 17:39:52 <Celestar> no the data is correct 17:40:02 <Celestar> (gdb) p /x _m[805649] 17:40:03 <Celestar> = {type_height = 0x93, m1 = 0x10, m2 = 0x61, m3 = 0x10, m4 = 0x0, m5 = 0xc1, extra = 0x0} 17:40:11 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:40:15 <Celestar> why does this return INVALID_RAILTYPE? 17:40:17 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:40:28 <KUDr> webfreakz: PING! 17:40:39 *** |Jeroen| [n=users@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:40:41 <webfreakz> KUDr: ping? 17:40:49 <KUDr> where are you? 17:40:53 <webfreakz> here? 17:40:57 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:40:59 <KUDr> no PM? 17:41:07 <webfreakz> what PM? 17:41:18 <KUDr> webfreakz is away: I'm not here right now 17:41:25 <KUDr> private message 17:41:34 <KUDr> to don't disturb here 17:42:08 <Celestar> looking at the data .. 17:42:10 <Celestar> it IS wrong. 17:42:11 <Celestar> :o 17:42:17 <Celestar> or .. nope wait 17:42:22 * Celestar thinks 17:43:41 <KUDr> webfreakz: try this: /j #VC6 17:43:44 <Celestar> ok. 17:43:48 <Celestar> I have a hunch 17:44:09 <glx> rail_cmd:1802 & 1825 , wrong function used : should be GetRailTileType 17:46:45 <Celestar> glx: WOHA 17:47:42 <michi_cc> might be unrelated, affects waypoints and depots 17:47:43 <glx> but only used in TileLoop_Track, so should not be the cause of this bug 17:48:50 <Celestar> it's a problem nonetheless 17:50:07 <CIA-5> celestar * r4337 /trunk/rail_cmd.c: -Fix: A problem where GetRailType was called instead of GetRailTileType. Thanks to glx for noticing 17:50:15 <Celestar> thanks a buncho glx 17:51:27 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 17:52:04 * stillunknown_ was curious if an unstable branch has ever been considered seriously where every once in a while user could add patches, test, fix the bugs, until it's done, then merge to trunk and start over again 17:53:12 <Celestar> BAH 17:53:27 <Celestar> the stopall commands needs to set vehicle speeds to 0. 17:53:43 <Celestar> stillunknown_: I'm all for it. that's what I did with elrails. 17:54:15 <glx> but it din't prevent bugs :P 17:54:34 <stillunknown_> is restricted svn acces possible so "users" can help? 17:55:13 <webfreakz> guess not... 17:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> i am pretty sure that a registered svn user's access can be restricted to certain directories 17:56:32 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause2: possibly. 17:56:39 <Celestar> ask TL|Away he's the svn boss 17:57:20 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176097245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:57:24 <Zr40> it's possible since svn 1.3 17:57:37 <TL|Away> Zr40: it works sinse ever 17:57:45 <Zr40> only with mod_svn 17:57:45 <TL|Away> we can restrict users in aynway 17:57:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> m5 bits 2..1: 0 - railway bridge, 1 - road bridge <- why 2 bits for a 0/1 value? 17:57:50 <Zr40> not with svn:// 17:57:54 <TL|Away> even the amount of users 17:57:57 <TL|Away> Zr40: yes, it can 17:58:02 <TL|Away> or the amount of bytes to read 17:58:05 <TL|Away> or ... what ever :p 17:58:11 <TL|Away> you can limit reading and writing how ever you like 17:58:16 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: because you could have water bridge too 17:58:18 <TL|Away> pre and post-scripts takes care of that 17:58:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> the amount of coffee to drink? 17:58:45 <TL|Away> Zr40: I am running access policies sinse the first version, so :p 17:58:49 <Zr40> :) 17:58:56 <Celestar> I think I have the bug. 17:59:16 <TL|Away> Zr40: and the scripts coming with the server version (example scripts) show pretty well how it can be done :) 17:59:25 <stillunknown_> i would like to have a unstable branch if possible, there are several patches which i think would be nice but shouldn't be put directly into trunk 17:59:31 <TL|Away> and mod_svn is just for apache, has little to do with all of this :) Restricting anyone on that base would be sucky sucky :p 17:59:47 <TL|Away> But anyway, a main dev has to request a branch or useradd 17:59:58 <Celestar> michi_cc: it was you :ÖP 18:01:05 <michi_cc> me? impossible ;) 18:01:08 <CIA-5> celestar * r4338 /trunk/train_cmd.c: -Fix (FS#105): Bug introduced in r4290. IsLevelCrossing does NOT check the tile type, it assumes the tile type IS MP_STREET 18:01:19 <stillunknown_> @TL|Away: does any main dev know how to create restricted useraccounts? 18:01:38 <TL|Away> stillunknown_: I know, and they can request it to me ;) 18:01:54 * peter1138 hmms at the physics accel patch 18:01:56 <peter1138> 120 KB... 18:02:02 <Celestar> peter1138: :)) 18:02:21 <michi_cc> peter1138: there's some junk in it, I was going to clean it up a bit 18:02:33 <Sacro> id like to see realistic deceleration 18:02:33 <peter1138> quite a lot :) 18:02:47 <michi_cc> Celestar: so I fixed one bug and made a new bug right away? 18:02:55 <Celestar> Sacro: me too, but it is difficult. it requires a reserving pathfinder. 18:03:04 <Celestar> michi_cc: yeah. but it is fixed now, so no hard feelings :) 18:03:31 <stillunknown_> @TL_Away: consider it requested 18:03:38 <TL|Away> stillunknown_: wrong person :) 18:03:47 <stillunknown_> aha 18:03:48 <TL|Away> I only run the SVN :) 18:03:55 <TL|Away> retired dev ;) 18:04:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> "Fixing one bug creates two new ones" (direct corollary from murphys law) 18:04:23 <Zr40> Eddi|zuHause2: so you're saying: "stop fixing bugs!"? 18:04:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't know where you read that from... 18:04:49 <glx> yeah like the npf bug I helped to fix twice because we didn't checked well 18:04:57 <stillunknown_> @Celestar: let me know if and when an unstable branch is possible, or who to bother :-) 18:05:13 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:05:41 *** Cheery [n=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:05:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> stillunknown_: you should probably combine your efforts with RichK's integrated nightly 18:05:46 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 18:05:48 <michi_cc> Celestar: a comment for that function might be good, or even an assert like in other places, should prevent something like that from happening again 18:06:07 <stillunknown_> nightlies are not in svn, they cannot be a collaborated effort 18:06:31 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:06:37 <TL|Away> stillunknown_: nightlies are not in svn?! 18:06:48 <stillunknown_> did i not look? 18:06:53 <TL|Away> what do you mean? 18:07:21 <Celestar> michi_cc: I'm just checking whether I can just include it (the asserT) 18:07:48 <stillunknown_> a svn branch can be changed by many people, can be updated to match trunk 18:07:56 <stillunknown_> a local copy cannot 18:08:16 <TL|Away> you clearly mean an other sort nightly 18:08:29 <TL|Away> in here, when we talk about nightlies,w e mean the nightly compile for all targets that is done every day of the trunk 18:08:31 <peter1138> integrated? 18:08:32 <peter1138> hmm 18:08:35 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r4339 /trunk/newgrf.c: - Comment Change: NewGRF, update comments for units of speed 18:08:49 <peter1138> stillunknown_: breaking the patch, but doing bits slowly... 18:09:17 <peter1138> x10³ lbf 18:09:18 <peter1138> hmm 18:09:25 <TL|Away> but okay, short: SVN can have users restriction, in fact, it already has. 18:09:28 <TL|Away> I am out again :) 18:09:30 <TL|Away> have fun! 18:09:33 <stillunknown_> i mean a branch with experimental features, which is (mostly) maintained by the people who want those features 18:09:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> in this case, i refered to this: http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24423 18:09:56 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:10:01 <stillunknown_> @peter1138: i fixed the comment where i felt was neccesary, much is unchanged code 18:11:25 <stillunknown_> what does svn mean by good and bad? 18:11:59 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176101077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:13:28 <peter1138> uh? 18:13:31 <peter1138> hmm 18:13:34 <peter1138> -···············args[0] = GetInt32(&argv) * units[_opt_ptr->units].w_m >> units[_opt_ptr->units].w_s; 18:13:38 <peter1138> +···············args[0] = GetInt32(&argv) * (units[_opt_ptr->units].w_m) >> units[_opt_ptr->units].w_s; 18:13:44 <peter1138> what're those braces supposed to do ? ;) 18:14:11 <stillunknown_> probably a leftover from some bitswifting which changed at some point 18:14:15 *** ector- [n=meloditr@ygun.brg.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 18:14:19 <peter1138> :) 18:14:21 <stillunknown_> which file? 18:14:28 <peter1138> strings.c 18:14:30 <peter1138> don't worry about 18:14:32 <stillunknown_> what does svn mean by good and bad? 18:14:43 <peter1138> context? 18:14:43 <Zr40> ?? 18:14:56 <stillunknown_> good:; 18:14:56 <stillunknown_> best_track = i; 18:14:56 <stillunknown_> best_bird_dist = fd.best_bird_dist; 18:14:56 <stillunknown_> best_track_dist = fd.best_track_dist; 18:14:56 <stillunknown_> reverse_best = reverse; 18:14:57 <stillunknown_> bad:; 18:14:59 <stillunknown_> if (reverse != 0) break; 18:15:01 <stillunknown_> reverse = 2; 18:15:13 <peter1138> that's not svn 18:15:24 <peter1138> that's the code :P 18:15:40 <stillunknown_> it said file updated with a code G 18:15:49 <stillunknown_> which i don't know 18:15:50 <peter1138> G = good update 18:16:01 <peter1138> it won't need to change anything in the file 18:17:23 <Celestar> G == merge 18:17:33 <peter1138> ya 18:17:48 <Celestar> ah ha 18:19:33 <webfreakz> Celestar: my problem is solved! 18:19:41 <webfreakz> Thx to KUDr :0 18:20:05 <Celestar> webfreakz: what was it? 18:20:16 <webfreakz> uhm 18:20:22 <Celestar> ChangeOwnershipOfPlayerItems <= weird functio 18:20:26 <webfreakz> do you want me to give a .diff? 18:20:35 <webfreakz> it's just one simple line... 18:21:48 <peter1138> uhm 18:21:50 <webfreakz> Celestar: ? 18:21:51 <peter1138> why 18:21:56 <peter1138> why is it snowing? 18:22:35 <webfreakz> works 18:23:34 *** jerome_ [n=jerome@124-198.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:23:51 <stillunknown_> @peter1138: will you keep breaking the patch(if so i will wait a day to fix it)? 18:25:22 <webfreakz> Celestar: are you therE? 18:25:33 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r4340 /trunk/ (lang/english.txt strgen/strgen.c strings.c): Add force {FORCE} to the units system. This is currently unused. 18:25:53 <peter1138> stillunknown_: er, does that answer anythign? ;) 18:26:15 <Celestar> webfreakz: yes I am. 18:26:45 <webfreakz> Celestar: you should switch line 3 and line 4 from this file: http://svn.openttd.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/trunk/roadveh_cmd.c 18:27:31 <webfreakz> Celestar: That solved my problem! 18:27:46 <peter1138> stdafx and limits? 18:27:46 <peter1138> hmm 18:27:48 <webfreakz> Celestar: that's what KUDr found out... 18:28:25 *** Meznev [i=Elshar@just.another.lame.unix-admin.com] has joined #openttd 18:29:16 *** Elshar [i=Elshar@just.another.lame.unix-admin.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:32:33 <Celestar> webfreakz: let me check in half an hour, I'm just trying to find a bug. 18:32:55 <Celestar> and need some food. 18:33:03 <webfreakz> Celestar: Thanks :) 18:33:08 *** jnmbk [n=jnmbk@85.97.95.11] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:33:19 <stillunknown_> is there any main dev opposed to an unstable branch (i will ask richk67), because it will gain openttd more in the end than intergrated nightlies and stuff like that (if you're busy anser later :-) ) 18:33:39 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82DF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:34:58 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:35:13 <Vornicus> There isn't an "unstable" branch - there are several one-feature branches, like for yapf. 18:35:18 <Vornicus> And formerly for elrail. 18:35:26 <CIA-5> celestar * r4341 /trunk/vehicle.c: -Fix (FS#101) When a player got bankrupt, slots were not cleared, because vehicles got deleted directly by DeleteVehicle 18:35:48 <Hendikins> Question. What's new since PBS got axed? 18:35:54 * Hendikins hasn't played in that long 18:36:08 <Vornicus> elrail! 18:36:10 <Sacro> Hendikins: elrails 18:36:23 <stillunknown_> @Vornicus: that's why i'm asking, because it would be nice to have 18:36:25 <Vornicus> also, KUDr is working on Yet Another PathFinder but that's not panned out completely yet. 18:36:48 <Celestar> stillunknown_: I have no objections, and neither has peter1138 afaik :) 18:36:50 <Celestar> food time 18:37:04 <Vornicus> He says it's going to be as good as or better than NPF, and faster too. I'll believe that when I see it. 18:38:36 <peter1138> stillunknown_: speed in 2km/h for road vehicles 18:38:50 <peter1138> 1 unit is 4 x the original? hmm 18:39:19 <peter1138> allowing speeds upto 510 km/h for a vehicle o_O 18:40:01 <webfreakz> ^^, 18:40:45 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B82DF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:46:23 <peter1138> hmm 18:48:28 <izhirahider> Is there some documentation flying around about how to create localized town names? I could add a new language there too. 18:50:23 *** Gamble` [i=BLAZER@cc825580-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:50:33 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 18:51:08 *** Angst [n=Angst@p549464A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:53:09 <kbrooks> if i have various companies competing against me, how can i attack them or at least do something bad against them 18:53:28 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:54:06 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:54:19 <webfreakz> compete harder? 18:54:35 <peter1138> exclusive transport rights 18:55:01 <Vornicus> Steal industries out from under them. 18:55:29 <Vornicus> (by getting a better rating than them) 18:57:11 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 19:00:05 <Sacro> how on earth can an mp3 skip? 19:00:34 <webfreakz> bad recording? 19:02:02 *** Sacro [i=Ben@83.100.255.239] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:04:26 <kbrooks> WHERE is a list of cheats? 19:04:42 <Celestar> press ctrl+alt+c 19:07:59 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:10:10 <Celestar> peter1138: did you happen to have a chance to read my lastvehicle fix? 19:13:08 <Kalpa> Coughcough 19:13:47 <stillunknown_> @peter1138: which piece of the code? 19:15:52 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 19:17:11 <stillunknown_> @peter1138: you probably mean the accel = lines, good catch 19:19:50 <peter1138> hmm 19:20:07 <peter1138> Celestar: dunno 19:20:14 <peter1138> bit preoccupied with house hunting. hmm. 19:20:18 <Celestar> ok. 19:20:26 <Celestar> I'm not preoccupied with work. 19:20:34 <Celestar> s/not/now 19:22:47 *** webfreakz [n=Ronald@195.73.147.226] has left #openttd [] 19:24:35 *** Mucht|zZz [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 19:24:56 *** jerome_ [n=jerome@205.124.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 19:37:32 *** Sacro [i=Ben@87.102.7.140] has joined #openttd 19:38:15 <peter1138> work? 19:38:24 <peter1138> but it's sunday, 8:40pm 19:38:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, it is 21:40 :) 19:39:48 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-5398.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 19:40:42 <peter1138> even worse 19:43:27 *** Elshar [i=Elshar@just.another.lame.unix-admin.com] has joined #openttd 19:48:11 *** Meznev [i=Elshar@just.another.lame.unix-admin.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:49:16 *** Gamble [i=BLAZER@cc825580-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 19:52:13 <stillunknown_> peter1138: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=427972#427972 <-- think i fixed a bug in roadveh accel 19:52:52 <kbrooks> why would a transport company be declared bankrupt? 19:52:55 <kbrooks> PING 19:53:16 <XeryusTC> because it doesn't make profit for a certain time 19:53:47 <XeryusTC> that is, it has a negative amount of money for 6 months in a row 19:56:20 *** tubechallenger [i=tubechal@cpc2-pool4-6-0-cust170.sot3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:57:24 <Celestar> KUDr: how is progress on YaPF? 19:57:39 <kbrooks> how do i know if a road is town owned? 19:59:15 <Celestar> when the owner is OWNER_TOWN maybe? 19:59:44 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7880C.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 19:59:48 <kbrooks> in the game, Celestar 20:00:02 <kbrooks> i dont want to use the ? button 20:00:23 <Celestar> then you cannot :)* 20:01:17 <glx> kbrooks: why don't you want to use the ? button ??? 20:01:25 <KUDr> Celestar: working on first real pf (ships) 20:01:33 <KUDr> nearly works 20:01:40 <KUDr> just found one mistake 20:03:07 <peter1138> heh 20:03:47 <Celestar> KUDr: nice going :) 20:04:52 <Celestar> peter1138: we needa decide when a town can replace a house by a road. the current version makes little sense. 20:05:02 <kbrooks> i wonder how to kill the railroad service ... can i by destroying every rail and every station? 20:05:22 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:07:23 <peter1138> ... 20:14:45 <kbrooks> yay i have no train stations 20:17:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> must i be concerned that the BR 425 should come out in 1998, but i still not have it by 2005? that is 7 years... 20:18:36 <x87> the dbgstr[100] buffer in debug.c(115) is getting quite small... 20:18:39 <Kalpa> Correct landscape? 20:18:45 <Kalpa> And what thing is BR425 anyway 20:19:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> BR 425 is a passenger train in the DBSetXL 20:20:03 <Kalpa> Ah, I see 20:20:04 <Kalpa> Nevermind me. 20:20:22 <Kalpa> I have absolute no idea of newgrf 20:20:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://www.ewetel.net/~michael.blunck/ttd/br425_2.html 20:21:19 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 20:21:32 *** christoos1 [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 20:21:50 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Client Quit] 20:22:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://www.ewetel.net/~michael.blunck/ttd/br425_1.html 20:22:47 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:24:27 <Celestar> peter1138: I have a really interesting bug for you :) 20:25:00 <peter1138> uh oh :) 20:25:13 <Celestar> load this game 20:25:23 <Celestar> (DCC) 20:25:48 <Celestar> then reverse the train in the middle, and start it. observe the crossings. 20:26:02 <Celestar> then load DBSetXL, and repeat above procedure. 20:26:48 * peter1138 recompiles 20:26:53 <peter1138> back in 5 ;p 20:27:14 <Celestar> (= 20:28:51 <peter1138> right, done 20:29:07 <peter1138> right 20:29:10 <peter1138> game loading 20:29:14 <peter1138> what am i looking for 20:29:42 <Celestar> reverse the train in the middle, and start it. observe the crossings. 20:29:50 <Celestar> then load DBSetXL, and repeat above procedure 20:30:23 <peter1138> right? 20:30:44 <Celestar> it works properly without DBSetXL, when you load it, one crossing will not open. 20:31:05 <peter1138> reason is those wagons are shorter when dbsetxl is loaded 20:31:16 <peter1138> one reason why enabling/disabling grf sets midgame is a bad idea 20:31:56 <Celestar> ah! 20:32:00 <Celestar> we should interdict that 20:32:27 <Celestar> Tron: peter1138 has an adequate explanation for the crossing anomaly 20:32:53 <Celestar> and I am going to bed 20:33:51 <peter1138> with grf saveload code, i'll make it harder to do 20:33:57 <peter1138> not impossible though, as that could be annoying 20:37:48 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 20:39:55 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Odletam do paralelniho vesmiru..."] 20:41:36 <Celestar> good night. 20:43:41 <peter1138> http://www.sequencehome.co.uk/detail.asp?type=0&src=property&cs=&bs=AYL,CFS,MKY,NPL,PRB,STS,WDV,WOS&br=6&prop=-1&min=-1&max=-1&bed=-1&page=1&id=CFS100397 20:43:45 <peter1138> i'll take two! 20:44:02 <kbrooks> how do i do nontop service? 20:44:09 <kbrooks> what is it, anyway? 20:44:12 <kbrooks> nonstop* 20:44:27 <peter1138> what do you think nonstop is? 20:44:31 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn12-72.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:44:37 <stillunknown_> non-stop will not stop at every station it comes through 20:45:07 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn12-72.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:45:10 <michi_cc> stillunknown_: Am I seeing things or did you upload a wrong file? 20:45:57 <kbrooks> stillunknown_: er, any usecases for that? 20:46:15 <kbrooks> stillunknown_: any examples? :P 20:46:15 *** x87 [i=id@tor/session/x-8429c55409a902e1] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:46:43 <glx> kbrooks: yes multi-waypoint 20:47:02 <glx> I mean waypoint with multiples tracks 20:47:16 <Celestar> glx: we have no such thing (yet) 20:47:16 <stillunknown_> @michi_cc: wrong how? 20:47:21 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn12-72.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:47:49 <michi_cc> the changes that peter committed are still in, and it's not an svn diff again 20:47:55 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn12-72.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:47:59 <glx> Celestar: I know, so for that you use a 1 tile long station with "non-stop" 20:48:08 <Celestar> glx: currently yes. 20:48:25 <Celestar> future, possibly not 20:49:16 <stillunknown_> you are right 20:51:40 <stillunknown_> look again 20:52:06 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:53:40 <michi_cc> yeah, looks better now :) 20:53:52 <stillunknown_> i'm gone 20:53:55 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3D3A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:53:58 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D01E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:54:33 <stillunknown_> let me know how realistic the roadveh accel is (compare no load vs full load) 20:54:48 *** Richk67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 20:55:30 <glx> hi Richk67 20:55:33 <Richk67> hi glx 20:55:52 <glx> your patches have some errors in english.txt 20:56:06 <Richk67> looks like my offer to get a new IN nightly sorted has stirred people into action :) 20:56:30 <Sacro> hmm, new IN 20:56:50 <Richk67> which patches? ive got new versions up-to-date, but not necessarily posted 20:57:46 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: which Richk67 have english.txt problems? 20:58:03 <glx> +patches :) 20:58:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> at least the Terragenesis Perlin and the Mini IN 20:59:03 <Richk67> what sort of problem? english.txt usually requires a conflict-merge by TortoiseSVN, and then its fine 20:59:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> [09.04. 18:52] <Eddi|zuHause2> terragenesisperlin_v3h_501.patch has: 20:59:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> [09.04. 18:52] <Eddi|zuHause2> -STR_PURCHASE_INFO_PWAGPOWER_PWAGWEIGHT :{BLACK}Powered Wagons: {GOLD}+{POWER}{BLACK} Weight: {GOLD}+{WEIGHT_S} 20:59:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> [09.04. 18:52] <Eddi|zuHause2> +STR_PURCHASE_INFO_PWAGPOWER_PWAGWEIGHT :{BLACK}Powered Wagons: {GOLD}+{COMMA}hp{BLACK} Weight: {GOLD}+{COMMA}t 21:00:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> this line should not be replaced 21:00:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> this is the last line of the original english.txt 21:00:59 <Richk67> okies... for some reason it has always insisted on replacing it - it would do this if someone left the carriage return off the last line 21:01:45 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:02:00 *** Sacro [i=Ben@87.102.7.140] has quit ["Sacro has no reason"] 21:02:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> your version is an outdated one 21:02:18 <peter1138> damn those developers making conflicts everywhere ;p 21:04:29 <kbrooks> how do i share orders? 21:05:30 <Richk67> thanks eddi / glx - all patches updated, will release new ones later 21:06:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> kbrooks: there is a wiki for this kind of question 21:06:32 <kbrooks> Eddi|zuHause2: it doesnt really work. can you help :) 21:06:54 <kbrooks> i have 2 aircrafts 21:07:07 <kbrooks> aircraft #2 goes to 2 airports 21:07:26 <kbrooks> and i want aircraft #1 to go to the same 2 airports 21:07:48 <peter1138> click on "goto" 21:07:55 <peter1138> and then ctrl click on the other plane 21:08:05 <kbrooks> peter1138: OK 21:08:40 <kbrooks> nope, doesnt work 21:09:28 *** Zothar_ [n=chatzill@adsl-69-155-218-8.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:09:33 <kbrooks> i selected the last item, "end of orders" and tried that again. no workie 21:09:57 <Richk67> you must CTRL-click the *actual* plane (in depot or in a view window)... if its just in another list (eg. aircraft list) it doesnt work 21:10:15 *** Spoco [i=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 21:10:34 <Richk67> it will *always* overwrite the orders, so it doesnt matter what you have selected in the order list 21:11:20 <kbrooks> oh 21:12:03 <Richk67> peter: how do I remove a plane from shared orders without messing up all the other planes sharing orders? 21:12:54 <glx> click on last line of orders ("shared orders...") and press delete 21:13:29 <Richk67> hmm... i thought i tried that... ill have to check if it still works... 21:14:32 *** stillunknown_ [n=unknown@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [] 21:18:00 <kbrooks> i need help. 21:18:04 * kbrooks frustrated 21:18:17 <kbrooks> I AM TRYING TO SHARE ORDERS AND IT DOESNT WORK 21:18:26 <kbrooks> i have 2 aircrafts 21:18:45 <kbrooks> both of them go to 2 destinations, one after the other 21:18:54 <glx> if you follow what we said it should work 21:19:13 <kbrooks> please clarify, in step by step form 21:19:27 <glx> ok set orders for the 1st plane 21:19:35 <Richk67> 1. open view window to airplane 1 & 2 21:19:43 <glx> open order for the second plane 21:19:48 <Richk67> 2. open movement order window for plane 2 21:19:55 <XeryusTC> heya Richk67 :) 21:19:58 <glx> clic on "goto" for the second plane 21:20:11 <glx> ctrl-clic on the first plane 21:20:14 <Richk67> 3. hold CTRL down, and click airplane 1 in its window... the aircraft, not the window 21:20:51 <Richk67> oops... 3. click GOTO, then hold CTRL...... 21:21:00 <XeryusTC> Richk67: did you know that your terragenesis perlin levels down all the way when it reaches the edge of a map? 21:21:30 <XeryusTC> even when it is far from touching the edge as is normal with the other map generator 21:21:42 <Richk67> it smoothes the edge out... 21:22:14 <Richk67> can you explain better, i dont entirely follow 21:22:37 <XeryusTC> i will put some screenshots online :) 21:22:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> Richk67: did you know, that your Mini IN cannot load current savegames? 21:22:47 <Richk67> okies 21:23:18 <Richk67> eddi - thank whoever decided that config would be saved as packed bits in the savegames for that one 21:23:22 <kbrooks> glx: i followed exactly all these steps. 21:23:37 <glx> and? 21:23:38 <kbrooks> glx: doesnt work 21:24:38 <Richk67> eddi: as it changes a lot of config parameters, any savegame that doesnt 100% match the pattern of the config, will not load. its a royal pain-in-the-butt 21:25:23 <XeryusTC> Richk67: see notice 21:25:45 <glx> kbrooks: it works for me and for others 21:25:58 <Richk67> xeryus: where? 21:26:02 *** Gamble [i=BLAZER@cc825580-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit ["Christopher Wallace, Frank White holdin' it down, I guess you with the real king in New York now, for real!"] 21:26:20 <XeryusTC> Richk67: see the screenies :) 21:26:59 <kbrooks> glx: let me try again 21:26:59 <Richk67> where... nothing showing on forums? which forum/post? 21:27:09 <kbrooks> glx: i clicked on GOTO exactly 21:27:26 <glx> then ctrl-clic on the plane 21:27:34 <XeryusTC> Richk67: see pm in your irc client 21:27:38 <kbrooks> glx: i did, doesnt work 21:27:58 <Richk67> i have no idea how to access it 21:28:13 <XeryusTC> hmm 21:28:28 <kbrooks> ahhhhhhhhhhhhh 21:28:31 <kbrooks> im stupid 21:28:32 <XeryusTC> http://xeryustc.bikkelsinc.nl/OpenTTD/problem1.png http://xeryustc.bikkelsinc.nl/OpenTTD/problem2.png http://xeryustc.bikkelsinc.nl/OpenTTD/problem3.png <- only Richk67 click please, my bandwidth is very limited 21:28:50 <kbrooks> gl: i clicked on aircraft 2, i think 21:28:54 <kbrooks> wait. 21:28:59 <kbrooks> glx: 21:29:50 <kbrooks> glx: still doesnt work. i indeed clicked on aircraft 1 with CTRL 21:29:59 <Richk67> xeryus - its working exactly as planned 21:30:07 *** jacke^ [n=mm@h217n2fls33o1104.telia.com] has quit ["hej"] 21:30:07 <kbrooks> why oh why doesnt it work for me? 21:30:23 <Richk67> are you paused? 21:30:30 <kbrooks> no 21:30:34 <Richk67> oh 21:30:44 <XeryusTC> nope 21:30:52 <XeryusTC> but it looks a bit weird 21:31:28 <glx> kbrooks: you clicked on aircraft1 in it's window or in plane list? 21:31:51 <kbrooks> glx: in its window 21:31:54 <Richk67> xeryus - if i didnt do that edged coastline, you would have an absolutely straight edge running right along the map edge 21:32:08 * peter1138 plays with train physics accel 21:32:27 <Richk67> it would look very very dull - like a slice had been taken out of the hillside (as in current OTTD) 21:32:35 <glx> kbrooks: aircraft 1 is running or in a depot? 21:32:40 <Richk67> at least with this, its slightly wiggly 21:33:00 <XeryusTC> i suspected that, but isn't there a way that you could stretch/squece it? 21:33:34 <kbrooks> glx: stopped 21:33:42 <Richk67> well, its fairly random, and its hard to bias it to be less 21:34:02 <Richk67> what are your map dimensions? 21:34:04 <kbrooks> glx: aircraft 2 doesnt have any orders 21:34:12 <glx> kbrooks: so in aircraft 1 window you just see the depot right? 21:34:26 <kbrooks> glx: aircraft 2 too is stopped (in depot) 21:34:48 <kbrooks> glx: aircraft 1 is stopped before it flies away 21:34:51 <XeryusTC> 1024x128, seed was 65523 iirc 21:34:58 <kbrooks> on the runway 21:35:20 <Richk67> okies, ill have a quick look, but i think its working as planned 21:35:32 <XeryusTC> terrain type: hilly, sea level: very low, smoothness very smooth 21:37:03 <kbrooks> glx: ANY IDEAS? 21:37:16 <glx> no, it works for me 21:40:15 <kbrooks> "To prevent easy mistakes you can only copy orders to a vehicle that doesn't already have orders." 21:40:19 <kbrooks> glx: 21:40:27 <kbrooks> aircraft 1 has orders... 21:40:50 <glx> yes and you want to copy his orders to aircraft2 21:41:10 <Richk67> ok xeryus - i can reproduce the terrain... just what is "wrong"? or is it just too different to OTTD? 21:41:29 <SimonRC> hmm, I have a UFO 21:41:38 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has joined #openttd 21:41:51 <SimonRC> What do I do with it? 21:42:01 <XeryusTC> Richk67: it looks a bit weird that it forms a "cliff" on a very smooth terrain. 21:42:05 <Richk67> glx: you can *always* CTRL-click share orders... its the exception to the copy orders rule 21:42:38 <SimonRC> Hey! It blew up! 21:42:48 <glx> airforce raid :) 21:43:13 <kbrooks> glx: yes 21:43:32 <kbrooks> Richk67: i god damning want this to work :'( 21:43:57 <glx> explain us what you do exactly 21:44:07 <Richk67> xeryus - its a bit unavoidable - if you change the terrain to 1024x256, that cliff is in the middle of a lengthy raised area. i cut into it to create cliffs, so that you dont get the ruler-straight map edge of original OTTD 21:44:20 <kbrooks> glx: shall i save the game and reopen? 21:44:35 <glx> not needed I think 21:45:05 <kbrooks> glx: i did that. now to get the orders shared. 21:45:07 <XeryusTC> Richk67: you said that before, and i understand it. but my suggestion is to stretch/squeece the map so it fits 21:45:23 <XeryusTC> kbrooks: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Copy_orders and http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Shared_orders 21:45:53 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [i=Q@p54A7C713.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["http://mir.ist-langweilig.de/oh_man.jpg/"] 21:46:16 <Richk67> perlin generation doesnt work that way... there is no "edge" to the map - effectively, you could continue terrain 65523 off to infinity 21:46:39 <Richk67> so at some point, you have to say "that will do" 21:46:49 <Richk67> and clip the map 21:47:36 <XeryusTC> ok 21:48:13 <Richk67> i can perhaps reduce the size of the edge boundary, but that means that on some other maps the interesting variations will be lost 21:48:49 <Richk67> long/thin narrow maps arent the best this algorithm can do... 21:49:21 <XeryusTC> i see :) 21:51:11 <SimonRC> Aaaaand this steel mill has decided to accept passengers. 21:51:58 <XeryusTC> SimonRC: maybe it needs more employees :P 21:53:48 <kbrooks> can I land at some other airport that a company owns 21:54:16 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bed 21:57:54 *** ector- [n=meloditr@ygun.brg.sgsnet.se] has quit ["Hi, I'm a quitmessage virus. Replace your qmess and help me take over IRC"] 21:59:17 <kbrooks> how do i build a vehicler depot? I forget. 21:59:35 <kbrooks> ah yes 21:59:42 <kbrooks> road contrustion 22:03:36 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:04:10 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:49 <kbrooks> why would I want to "clone" a vehicle? 22:06:41 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82DF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 22:06:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> a) lazyness to search for the right vehicle 22:07:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> b) to copy/share the orders 22:07:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> c) to avoid refit costs 22:07:22 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82DF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:08:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> (while i think c is rather a bug) 22:10:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is probably most useful for trains... 22:14:24 <kbrooks> i like that Eddi|zuHause2 22:15:02 *** Angst [n=Angst@p549464A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [""cal 9 1752""] 22:15:03 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:15:46 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:45 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 22:18:11 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 22:18:33 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 22:20:57 <SimonRC> Darnit, the second UFO landed in teh same place as the first! 22:20:59 <SimonRC> What's the significance of going through a waypoint "Non-Stop"? 22:21:27 <glx> a waypoint is already non-stop 22:21:29 <Richk67> waypoints - none... 22:22:38 <SimonRC> Okay, another bug for someone who has an account to report: The "non-stop" button should be disabled for waypoint in order lists, as it means nothing. 22:22:42 * SimonRC goes to bed 22:23:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> what? non-stop means you do not stop anywhere ELSE 22:23:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> like a station you pass through 22:24:01 <glx> he means for real waypoint 22:24:08 <glx> I guess 22:24:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> train -- station -- waypoint -- goal 22:24:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> when the train has the option "goto waypoint" 22:24:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> it stops at the station 22:25:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> when the train has the option "goto waypoint non-stop" 22:25:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> it does not stop at the station 22:25:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> it will never stop at the waypoint, only pass through 22:26:20 <glx> it stop at the station 22:26:23 <SimonRC> ah, I though "Non-stop" meant "go through and don't stop there" rather than "go to without stopping on the way". 22:26:26 <SimonRC> silly me 22:26:28 * SimonRC goes to bed 22:27:20 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82DF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 22:27:47 <kbrooks> i have 4 vehicles. 22:28:39 <kbrooks> all of them go to 2 towns. so how do i know if one town needs a vehicle on full load? 22:29:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> SimonRC: that is the "TTDPatch compatible non-stop" ... i hate that... 22:30:13 <kbrooks> all of them go to 2 towns. so how do i know if one town needs a vehicle on full load? 22:31:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> am i the only person that does not understand this question? 22:31:20 *** MrRexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-5398.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 22:31:36 <glx> hmmm I think he wants to know when use full load 22:31:45 <kbrooks> glx: correct 22:33:01 <glx> personally I always use full load for everything except passengers 22:33:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> full load for goods, no full load for passengers/mail 22:33:43 <glx> mail wagon in my passenger trains :) 22:34:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> i usually don't do mail 22:34:34 <glx> full load could be problematic for valuables too 22:34:46 <kbrooks> um 22:35:08 <kbrooks> why is full load bad w/ passengers if the passengers are like... filling up? 22:35:21 *** DjViper- [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 22:35:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> for passengers, you rather want to deliver them fast... 22:35:36 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:35:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> the longer you wait, the less money you get 22:35:55 <Richk67> someone did an analysis - you lose more waiting for a full pass load, than you do going with what is there 22:36:03 *** DjViper- is now known as DjViper 22:36:03 <glx> and while you wait for loading at one stop, the others stop is overfulled 22:36:23 <glx> so bad ratings ... 22:37:42 <Richk67> it *really* helps on airports to grab and go - as it stops full loads of passengers being prevented from disembarking because a terminal is blocked with a "full load" aircraft 22:38:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> Richk67 is "the airportguy" ;) 22:39:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> i rarely do airports... 22:39:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> when cities are small, they do not give enough revenue 22:39:40 <glx> I once refited concorde to carry coal 22:39:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> and when they get bigger, you can't place them anywhere 22:40:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> and feeder-services will not work until we get passenger-destinations 22:40:34 <Richk67> lol - and the IN guy, the terrain guy, the scenario guy, the "oh-no-not-him-again" guy ;) 22:40:43 <kbrooks> how do I USE the replace vehicles interace 22:41:03 <kbrooks> i selected the two vehicles 22:41:08 <kbrooks> and now what? 22:41:14 <glx> press replace now 22:41:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> click in left table on the old vehicle, click on right table on the new vehicle 22:41:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> click activate replacement 22:41:33 <glx> and wait 22:41:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> wait for vehicle to check into the depot 22:41:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> or send it manually 22:41:55 <Richk67> you should be charged for its replacement once it stops in depot 22:41:57 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-5398.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:42:03 <glx> can take a long time if service and breakdowns are disabled 22:42:07 <Richk67> if you have enough money 22:44:45 <kbrooks> heh 22:44:59 <kbrooks> i love these cool features in openttd 22:45:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> i hate that there are features that are NOT in OpenTTD ;) 22:45:57 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: examples? 22:46:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> new stations 22:46:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> new cargo 22:46:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> the aforementioned passenger destinations 22:46:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> PBS 22:46:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> livery refit 22:47:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> i probably find more, when i dig deeper ;) 22:47:05 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:47:14 <glx> newgrf is still in development 22:47:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah... custom bridgeheads 22:47:27 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 22:47:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> bridges over arbitrary tiles 22:47:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> diagonal bridges/tunnels 22:48:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> underground rail 22:48:06 <glx> ok ok 22:48:09 <glx> :P 22:48:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> elevated rail 22:48:42 <glx> tramways 22:48:51 <TSC> Rotating the map 22:48:51 <kbrooks> i really need to do just one more city for this bus service 22:49:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> busses are best used inner-citty 22:49:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> -t 22:49:40 <glx> then unload in a train station 22:50:03 <kbrooks> heh 22:50:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> not unload, transfer ;) 22:50:17 <kbrooks> because of the distance? 22:50:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> transfer&unload, to be exact 22:51:07 <glx> kbrooks: because the more passengers you take regulary, the faster the town grows 22:51:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> trains are a lot faster, so better for long distance travel 22:51:46 <glx> and trains have better capacities too 22:52:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> does anyone know a decent roadvehicle set that starts in 1920? 22:52:19 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:52:19 <izhirahider> the problem is the wider the city spreads, the less space you have to build train stations, so think ahead 22:53:03 <glx> you can put train station outside the city with a feeder bus 22:53:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> the problem with train stations is usually not the station itself, but the rails leading to it 22:54:12 <Richk67> eddi: pb_hovs_bus.grf 22:54:36 <glx> it's ukrs, doesn't it? 22:55:13 <kbrooks> what is a feeder bus? :) 22:55:17 <Richk67> it works well with it, but it is separate 22:55:35 <glx> I like the 'Ford T bus' 22:57:01 <Richk67> i like the good mix of single and double-decker busses 22:59:18 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:01:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://users.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Regenswald%20Transport,%209.%20Mai%202005.png <- my station inmidst of a city, with bus-feeder service 23:03:11 <glx> one good thing with OpenTTD is you can have dbsetxl and ukrs working together 23:03:13 <kbrooks> ahhhh now i have a feeder service :P 23:04:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'll try this set... 23:04:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> i really hate the size of those long vehicles 23:05:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> glx: how do you mean that? 23:05:23 <kbrooks> great :) 23:09:10 <glx> hmm indeed there's some problems 23:10:36 <kbrooks> question 23:10:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> answer 23:10:46 <glx> again ! 23:10:53 <glx> :P 23:11:36 <kbrooks> i have 2 feeder buses for an airport. how do i take advantage of it? 23:11:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> reminds me of: http://www.bash.org/?23396 23:12:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> kbrooks: make sure, the airport accepts passengers and mail (for the incoming planes) 23:12:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> set the busses to transfer&unload at the airport 23:13:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> the planes will then grab the passengers brought by the busses 23:13:53 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 23:15:22 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: you have a destroy bus zone :) 23:16:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> glx: usually, the busses should not go there... 23:16:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> and if they do, they deserve it ;) 23:16:41 <glx> only AI buses should go there :P 23:17:48 <glx> it's more efficient if AI has a roadstop near these places 23:19:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> error: null-pointer dereferencing at "AI" 23:19:42 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7880C.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:21:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> germany is a weird country... there are railroad tracks that got electrified 3 times :p 23:21:55 <glx> ha? 23:22:22 <kbrooks> Eddi|zuHause2: 3 times? eh? 23:23:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> once in the phase between 1911 and 1914... the electrification got removed at the start of the first worldwar (for use with other war relevant things probably) 23:23:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> then again 1922 till the 1940s 23:23:42 <glx> then same cause, same effects? 23:23:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> then the electrification got torn down by the russians, for reparation 23:24:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> then it got electified again starting 1955 23:24:46 *** DaleStan__ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 23:24:48 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 23:25:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is, not counting the partial destruction 1944/45 and provisory rebuild in 1945 23:25:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> that would be 4 times ;) 23:27:34 <Richk67> hi dalestan - is new pngload ready to put into IN? 23:29:25 <DaleStan> Richk67: It should be. I don't have any malicious PNGs to test, but I didn't touch that code, that shouldn't be an issue. 23:29:44 <Richk67> okies - ill try to integrate it then 23:30:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> what does pngload do? 23:34:13 <Richk67> pngload lets you import a png terrain bump map - its how i made the Africa map 23:42:35 <kbrooks> i noticed an UFO. what does it do? 23:42:38 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:43:10 <glx> it blows up 23:43:29 <Richk67> early ones land and kill busses, late ones land on railway tracks and get blown up 23:43:54 <glx> and can destroy your beautiful junctions 23:43:59 <Richk67> if you have no railways late on, the ufo lands on water, and then gets blown up ;) 23:44:14 <kbrooks> whats a early ufo? 23:44:23 <kbrooks> im in 2012 23:44:43 <Richk67> early ones are really small (smaller than a bus) 23:44:53 <kbrooks> and late ones? 23:45:06 <glx> big and destroy pas airforce 23:45:08 <Richk67> big ones looking like from UFO:Enemy Unknown 23:45:40 <kbrooks> Richk67: they're round & have white on top and a visible shadow on the ground 23:46:05 <glx> looks like big ufo 23:46:34 <kbrooks> ok. i dont have a railway 23:46:50 <kbrooks> so i dontt have to worry about it? 23:48:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> watch and wait ;) 23:50:23 <kbrooks> Eddi|zuHause2: the plane left now XD 23:51:25 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCABD54.ipt.aol.com] has quit []