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It was you wasn't it!?"] 01:39:19 *** valhalla1w`pb [n=valhalla@dsl68-30.fastxdsl.nl] has joined #openttd 01:52:29 *** valhallasw`pb [n=valhalla@dsl68-30.fastxdsl.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:01:23 *** GW[school] [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit ["It's a new quit message!"] 02:20:49 <rain````> hey 02:21:00 <rain````> if i have a rail station at a coal mine 02:21:17 <rain````> is it better to have 1 big train w/ full load go to the coal mine and then goto the power station 02:21:22 <rain````> or multiple smaller trains? 02:22:07 <rain````> and if I make a train that goes to the coal mine, does one load, then i delete the train, will the coal mine just produce coal forever? 02:28:11 <Ihmemies> eh 02:28:37 <Ihmemies> multiple small trains, trains should fit to 3-4 square long stations... depends on preference 02:28:56 <Ihmemies> and the coal mine produces coal forever? ;P just try to keep the rating between 60-75% .. 02:32:46 <rain````> So if a coal mine has a ton of coal in it, does it still produce at the same rate, or does it slow down? 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06:56:43 <Celestar> peter1138: that's what the manual recommends 06:56:49 <peter1138> oh 06:56:52 <peter1138> bit late now :) 06:56:59 <Celestar> trunk/ branches/ tags/ 06:57:00 <peter1138> and doesn't really matter that much 06:57:01 <Celestar> late? 06:57:33 <Celestar> svn mv svn://svn.openttd.org/branch svn://svn.openttd.org/branches 06:57:48 <peter1138> and mess up everyone using them 06:57:48 <Celestar> THEORETICALLY it should work 06:58:03 <Celestar> peter1138: svn up will move the branches automagically 06:58:10 <Celestar> (on the client side) 06:58:13 <Celestar> bbl 06:58:18 <Celestar> gotta give an svn presentation 06:58:36 <Celestar> (= 06:58:48 <Prof_Frink> can't you do something like `svn ln -s branch branches` 07:04:13 *** Spoco [n=spoco@dsl-083-102-070-241.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:05:59 *** ector-- [n=meloditr@ygun.brg.sgsnet.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:14:55 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:15:58 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["That's me, over there -->"] 07:15:58 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 07:25:54 *** Torrasque [n=jerome@84-74-157-134.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 07:29:19 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: are you here? 07:30:17 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 07:30:32 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 07:30:49 <peter1138> yes 07:31:15 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:31:33 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: how does the UTF-8 thing progresses? 07:31:44 <peter1138> it progresses right now 07:32:09 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: very nice, since I've been ocntacted by a wannabe serbian translator 07:32:21 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: and afaik serbian doesn't fit into iso8859-15 07:33:07 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: but I don't want to turn him down, so I'd like to write back something which is truth and inspiring 07:33:35 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: do you have an idea what should I write him back regarding utf-8 support? :) 07:33:48 * roboman leaves 07:36:05 <MiHaMiX> bbl, breakfast 07:48:48 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:49:57 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 07:50:04 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B84184.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:51:40 *** WolfLaptop [n=wolf@213.196.14.254] has joined #openttd 07:54:06 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 07:59:21 *** KUDr_wrk [n=KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 08:00:55 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:00:59 *** rain```` [i=rain@24-183-26-9.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has quit [] 08:01:37 <MiHaMiX> here 08:02:33 <peter1138> me too 08:02:40 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.30.199] has joined #openttd 08:02:58 <peter1138> it would be good if the guy could start doing the the translation 08:03:02 <peter1138> with unicode 08:06:46 *** Serotonin_ [n=not@CPE-72-135-2-46.kc.res.rr.com] has quit [] 08:07:39 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: okay, I'm moving toward that direction 08:07:57 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: I mean, I just have to implement per language charset support 08:08:23 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: but that's not too difficult, so I'm try to implement it today (I don't know how much time I'll have) 08:15:30 <peter1138> cool 08:21:44 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: and what should be done until we reach utf-8 support? 08:21:45 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B84184.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:22:26 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: I mean, fonts, internal structures, etc.. 08:22:40 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 08:23:17 <peter1138> input handling mostly 08:23:29 <peter1138> and dynamic font configuration 08:25:11 *** Kjetil [i=kjetil@81.166.7.161] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:30:33 *** Kjetil [i=kjetil@81.166.7.161] has joined #openttd 08:35:03 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 08:37:56 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B84184.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:42:07 <Celestar> any objections to a HAS_SINGLE_BIT macro/function? 08:44:53 <Celestar> I guess that means no ;) 08:45:15 <peter1138> not from me 08:45:16 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 08:45:17 <Noldo> 2 minutes of silence? 08:48:12 <Rubidium> Celestar: Something for on your 'todo before 0.4.8' list: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/161 08:48:42 <Celestar> Rubidium: why before 0.4.8? 08:48:58 <Celestar> Rubidium: it is solved in trunk/ 08:49:13 <Celestar> I'll se whether I can backport it. 08:49:37 <Rubidium> no it isn't (completely) 08:50:27 <Rubidium> the third case is solved in trunk, the second case certainly not 08:50:49 <Celestar> ok I'll check later today. 08:50:50 <Celestar> thanks 08:52:28 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B77901.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:52:39 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/station_list.diff <= please test 08:54:04 <Rubidium> just retested the first case; it is faulty in trunk too <- so first+second broken in trunk and 0.4.7, third only in 0.4.7 08:54:10 <Celestar> ok 08:54:21 <Celestar> the savegame contains all testcases? 08:55:08 <Rubidium> no 08:55:29 <Rubidium> but I can make one 08:55:50 <Celestar> that'd be awesome 08:57:01 *** spoco [n=spoco@dsl-083-102-070-241.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 09:00:03 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: flyspray improvements? :) 09:00:21 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/rtcheck.diff <= Rubidium please try this. 09:01:32 <Celestar> who was on Intel-Mac here? 09:03:03 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-162-121.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:03:31 <peter1138> tobin 09:04:05 <Celestar> any problems compiling the stuff? 09:04:08 <Sacro> morning all 09:04:47 <Celestar> hey Sacro 09:04:53 <peter1138> dunno 09:08:59 <Darkvater> peter1138: got some tasty freetype shots for me? :) 09:11:14 <Rubidium> Celestar: GetTileRailType needs the trackdir (which is not supplied) 09:11:25 <Celestar> er? 09:11:36 <Rubidium> pathfind.c:734: error: too few arguments to function 'GetTileRailType' 09:11:37 <Celestar> whoops 09:11:46 <Celestar> compiled the wrong branch :S 09:13:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B73037.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:13:27 <peter1138> heh 09:15:31 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/rtcheck.diff <= that better? 09:15:46 <peter1138> inue; 09:15:48 <peter1138> er 09:15:53 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8-3.png 09:16:01 <peter1138> freetype, but not much unicode there 09:16:04 <peter1138> (only the pound sign) 09:16:22 <Celestar> freetype means we'll be able to use other fonts? 09:16:34 <Darkvater> lookin' nice 09:16:36 <peter1138> it'll be in the config 09:16:36 <TL|Away> Celestar: why do you say that to me? Change it yourself! 09:16:39 <Darkvater> what is it Times new Roman? 09:16:45 <Celestar> TL|Away: can/may I :) 09:16:52 <peter1138> bitstream vera serif 09:17:23 <TL|Away> Celestar: don't ask me ;) But you are technical allowed 09:17:46 <Darkvater> no waaait 09:17:49 <Darkvater> why would we? 09:17:54 *** mode/#openttd [-o Darkvater] by Darkvater 09:17:54 <Darkvater> hi TL|Away 09:18:09 <Celestar> *hungry* 09:18:12 <TL|Away> hi Darkvater :) 09:18:20 *** TL|Away is now known as TL|Busy 09:19:30 <Naksu> <teh_LaC> who needs a regular partner when you have regular expressions? 09:23:15 <peter1138> Darkvater: damn you, i have work to do, and not freetype/utf8 support :P 09:24:02 <Darkvater> and what about me then, huh? I have to work as well but all the screenies you're posting keep me from doing any real stuff 09:24:26 * Darkvater shakes hands 09:24:28 <Rubidium> Celestar: it compiles and fixes the problems, but ... the second hunk does GetRailType on a tile it does not know the type from <- it should only be called if bits != 0, because then you are sure that the tile has a rail and therefore a railtype, so I suggest to move the check to after the 'if (bits == 0 || ...) break' 09:24:44 <Darkvater> and makes a cocktail 09:25:23 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 09:26:25 <Darkvater> peter1138: I have a very simple solution to your problem though :). Quit irssi. But the temptation is too big for me as wel ;p 09:26:27 <Celestar> Rubidium: lets see 09:26:57 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:27:17 <Celestar> Rubidium: in line 762, we know that it is a Rail Tile 09:27:39 <Rubidium> in 734 you don't 09:28:04 <Rubidium> so, move it like 3 lines down 09:28:09 <peter1138> Darkvater: "quit"? what is that? 09:28:15 <Celestar> ah that hunk you mean :) 09:28:26 <Celestar> Rubidium: done 09:28:41 <Darkvater> peter1138: ^^ 09:29:25 <Rubidium> I've attached a savegame with all the cases I could think of 09:29:25 <Celestar> Rubidium: I hope it works for bridges and stuff now (= 09:30:16 <Darkvater> peter1138: eg /quit 09:30:47 <Celestar> Rubidium: seems to work properly 09:32:06 <Rubidium> yes, trunk with rtcheck.diff is OK 09:32:08 <Celestar> Rubidium: ok. works. 09:32:15 <Celestar> commit? 09:33:00 <Sacro> wooo, commitage 09:33:14 <Rubidium> hmm.. coding style : '( (' -> '((' ? 09:33:34 <Celestar> already fixed :)= 09:34:11 <Rubidium> can you reupload the diff for final checking? 09:34:25 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/rtcheck.diff <= latest 09:35:02 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/save/pf.sav <= enhanced test cases 09:35:36 <Celestar> Tron: what's our stance on local static variables? 09:36:43 <Rubidium> diff looks ok -> you've got my go for a commit 09:37:02 <Celestar> ok. 09:37:12 <Sacro> whats being commited where? 09:37:25 *** tron_ [n=tron@p54A3E540.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:37:46 <blathijs> Celestar: You mean there was no railtype check before? 09:38:04 <Celestar> blathijs: only for normal rail tiles. 09:38:33 <CIA-3> celestar * r4812 /trunk/pathfind.c: -Fix (FS#161) NTP properly checks for railtypes on non-plain-rail-tiles (Rubidium) 09:38:59 <Rubidium> well, that has been added due to elrails, so the 'stable' release didn't do any railtype checks 09:39:42 <Celestar> Darkvater: RFC: backport 4008 and 4812 to 0.4 09:39:56 <Darkvater> put in 0.4.8 prep thread 09:40:10 <Celestar> Darkvater: do we want to backport it? 09:40:16 <Darkvater> will look at it 09:40:42 <Celestar> good. 09:40:49 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D439.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:41:44 <Celestar> 4008: [elrail] Made NTP Railtype-aware 09:41:56 <Celestar> 4812: -Fix (FS#161) NTP properly checks for railtypes on non-plain-rail-tiles (Rubidium) 09:42:14 <tron_> don't forget to merge my fixes for vehicles under bridges 09:42:22 *** tron_ is now known as Tron 09:42:27 <Celestar> Tron: which revision? 09:43:07 <Celestar> Tron: what's our stance on local static variables? 09:43:23 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has joined #openttd 09:43:41 <Tron> 4750 and 4766 09:44:19 <Celestar> Tron: what holds you from backporting them? ;) 09:44:20 <Tron> Celestar: depends 09:44:25 <Celestar> Tron: on? 09:45:04 <Tron> what you're using the static local variable for 09:45:20 <Celestar> sort criterion? 09:45:57 <Darkvater> Tron: yep, (vehicles-under-bridges) will do in the next sweep this week 09:47:08 <Tron> Celestar: ? 09:47:37 <Celestar> how do I add a certain value to a numeric string in vim 09:47:40 <Celestar> Tron: ? ? 09:48:34 <Celestar> shall I store a sort criterion in a global variable or in a local static variable ? 09:48:41 <Tron> Celestar: in nvi it's [number]#, maybe it works for vim 09:48:58 <Darkvater> Tron: celestar is working on station-filter that does sorting, filtering of the stations list the same way we do with vehicles. I suggested to him to remember the sorting stuff when reopening the window. and he is asking somthing about local static variables 09:49:16 <Tron> ah, context, that's nice 09:49:42 <Tron> if nobody else needs to know use a static local variable 09:49:50 <Celestar> k 09:51:26 *** SBT-Xchat [n=Tibeius@211-74-189-47.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:56:46 <Celestar> Tron: FYI: in vim its [number]^A 09:57:51 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-162-121.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [" Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-"] 10:01:37 *** root [n=root@adsl-83-100-162-121.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:02:05 <Celestar> hm .. 10:02:14 *** WolfLaptop [n=wolf@213.196.14.254] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:02:31 *** root [n=root@adsl-83-100-162-121.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Client Quit] 10:02:33 * Celestar goes cleaning new bridge-map-accessors 10:03:02 <Celestar> DAMNIT 10:03:37 <Celestar> STR_ABBREV_ALL :{TINYFONT}ALL 10:03:41 <Celestar> why doesn't this string work? 10:03:44 <Celestar> I get a pink "X" 10:07:15 <Darkvater> weird 10:07:50 *** Sacro [n=root@adsl-83-100-162-121.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:07:55 <Celestar> if I draw it manually (not using the widget) it works 10:12:48 <Sacro> does anyone know how to adjust mouse speed in X? 10:13:33 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 10:15:14 *** TiberiusTeng [n=Tibeius@211-74-189-47.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw] has joined #openttd 10:15:14 <Celestar> you needa jerk around with the mouse resolution somehow 10:15:38 <Celestar> this "static" variable is not very static :S 10:15:52 *** root [n=root@adsl-83-100-162-121.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:15:59 *** root [n=root@adsl-83-100-162-121.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:16:27 <Celestar> hm ... how does one initialize a static variable ONCE :o 10:16:36 <Darkvater> just initialize 10:16:43 <peter1138> static int foo = 0; 10:16:44 <Darkvater> static int blaat = 234; 10:16:47 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:20:50 <Celestar> hmm .. 10:20:55 <Celestar> gcc seems to disagree ;) 10:23:42 <Celestar> AH! 10:26:49 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/station_list2.diff <= please review & test 10:30:39 *** Sacro [n=root@adsl-83-100-162-121.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 10:38:40 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:38:45 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-181-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:39:24 <Celestar> SGI is broke :o 10:39:38 <Noldo> SGI? 10:39:44 <Celestar> Silicon Graphics ... 10:39:52 <Noldo> ah, yes 10:39:52 <Celestar> That's what you get for selling crap 10:39:57 <Celestar> a.k.a Itaniums 10:41:01 <peter1138> heh 10:41:49 <Celestar> prolly the biggest money pit Intel ever had 10:43:10 <Celestar> poor performance, high price, loads of heat output 10:45:10 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176126014.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:50:07 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-162-121.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:53:01 <CIA-3> miham * r4813 /trunk/lang/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 10:53:01 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-05-10 12:51:40 10:53:01 <CIA-3> dutch - 3 fixed by webfreakz (3) 10:53:01 <CIA-3> hungarian - 2 fixed by miham (2) 10:53:01 <CIA-3> lithuanian - 50 fixed, 3 changed by Plyta (53) 10:53:01 <CIA-3> polish - 2 fixed by meush (2) 10:53:03 <CIA-3> portuguese - 2 fixed by izhirahider (2) 10:57:15 <CIA-3> celestar * r4814 /branch/bridge/roadveh_cmd.c: [bridge] -Fix: When trying to turn a road vehicle while it is driving into a tunnel or onto a bridge you now get a proper error message (instead of just nothing happening) 11:00:40 <Celestar> hm .. shall I port that thing for tunnels into trunk? 11:01:00 <Celestar> currenty if you reverse a vehicle on a tunnel entrance, it drives ALL the way through the tunnel and reverses there. 11:01:03 <Celestar> back later 11:03:03 <peter1138> hmm 11:03:09 <peter1138> when i did it gave the error 11:10:16 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable065.248-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 11:11:21 <black_Nightmare> was just wondering but how did you make some of the default engines use the electric wires? 11:11:27 <black_Nightmare> (like the SH30/etc) 11:15:30 <peter1138> adjusted the table of default engines, why? 11:15:55 <black_Nightmare> oh hm..didn't think that the original engines could be altered at first 11:20:05 <peter1138> you thought wrong 11:21:45 *** roboman [n=leojbg@c211-30-118-160.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:22:02 *** roboman [n=leojbg@c211-30-118-160.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:22:21 <black_Nightmare> well heh...funny thing is I always thought that all of the original engines were just either steam or diesel ^_^ 11:22:46 <Darkvater> did I miss anything? :) 11:22:46 <black_Nightmare> when I saw the SH30 coming out but yet there was nothing in depot..I started to wonder.. and when it announced the SH40 I was starting to have enough of that and poke around a bit 11:23:03 <black_Nightmare> and thats how I figured out the electric depot actually had the SH's in them (except the SH125) ^_^ 11:23:49 <Darkvater> you can't turn around a vehicle inside a tunnel?? 11:24:11 * Vornicus ponders BoominGranny 11:24:12 <peter1138> black_Nightmare: the SH125 being a diesel... 11:24:31 <peter1138> BoominGranny of the scary avatar 11:24:43 <black_Nightmare> vater...in theory actual trains can reverse direction out...but leave that up to the openttd coders to get ideas me think 11:25:00 <peter1138> road vehicles 11:25:07 <peter1138> trains can reverse, i think 11:25:47 <Vornicus> of the scary avatar and the many, many patch ideas. 11:25:53 <peter1138> yes 11:26:21 <Vornicus> the face customizer is quite nice 11:26:53 <Darkvater> I never reverse trains ;p 11:27:27 <Darkvater> I still have the same objections against the face customizer as I did when Truelight coded it 11:28:22 <peter1138> which are? 11:28:50 <Darkvater> the same :) 11:29:01 <Vornicus> but what are they? 11:29:06 <Darkvater> unchanged 11:29:32 <Darkvater> :P 11:29:36 * Vornicus beats Darkvater with a stick 11:29:40 <Darkvater> auch 11:29:45 <Darkvater> don't tempt me 11:30:03 * Darkvater digs up SF post 11:30:06 <peter1138> the freetype fontcache is less memory hungry now 11:30:11 <Darkvater> :D 11:30:15 <peter1138> at the expense of a couple of dererences 11:30:17 <peter1138> err 11:30:20 <peter1138> dereferences 11:30:21 <Darkvater> our fontcache or freetype2's built-in? 11:30:25 <peter1138> ours 11:30:32 <peter1138> not using freetype2's 11:30:38 <peter1138> i want our shadow :) 11:30:44 <Darkvater> :) 11:31:14 <peter1138> it now gets allocated in sparse chunks of 256 11:31:37 <peter1138> (rather than being a fixed array of 3 * 65536) 11:32:05 <Darkvater> hmm seems I haven't commented on the SF face-customizer 11:32:52 <Darkvater> my objections are that generating a face should be kept random cause it is so much fun 11:33:01 <Darkvater> hmm, how meekly it sounds 11:33:05 <peter1138> "fun" heh 11:33:11 <peter1138> i never bother with it 11:33:51 <Darkvater> I did. Sometimes even for 30 minutes until I found one I liked. Had the most fun ever :D 11:34:01 <peter1138> you're strange :) 11:34:18 * roboman never bothers 11:34:58 <Darkvater> thanks 11:35:34 <roboman> gnight 11:37:07 *** roboman [n=leojbg@c211-30-118-160.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["bedtime"] 11:38:24 <peter1138> what extra characters does serbian need? 11:39:02 <Celestar> back 11:39:51 <Tron> Celestar: about r4814: atm you can turn around road vehicles on bridges 11:41:10 <Celestar> Tron: that'S what I was referring to "for tunnels" 11:41:20 <Celestar> s/what/why/ 11:42:36 <Tron> well, the behavior of turning road vehicles on bridges is broken in branch/bridge 11:43:11 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12.208.40.81] has joined #openttd 11:43:11 <Celestar> they just cannot be turned 11:43:17 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12.208.40.81] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:43:24 * Celestar needs to do some work. 11:43:54 <peter1138> hmm 11:43:54 <peter1138> i've got openttd 0.3.5 on here. how strange... 11:44:02 <Celestar> hr hr 11:44:04 <peter1138> eek, the old map 11:44:07 <peter1138> (minimap) 11:44:09 <Celestar> ^^ 11:44:14 <Celestar> you should look at 0.1 11:45:35 *** Hackykid [i=Hackykid@dyn-105215.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 11:45:44 * Sacro has 0.1 somewhere 11:45:55 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a81-197-110-97.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:46:50 <peter1138> bloody debian unstable 11:47:03 <peter1138> unless it's not actually part of debian. hmm. 11:47:59 <Celestar> hmmm 11:48:02 <Celestar> 0.1.4 isn't THAT bad 11:48:21 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-181-170.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 11:48:42 <peter1138> ah, it's not 11:48:49 <Darkvater> it's TTDLX 11:49:55 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:51:52 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:52:47 <peter1138> mr tobin 11:54:15 <Celestar> hey Tobin 11:54:30 <Celestar> Tobin: Question: do you have any problem with compiling trunk on i386 MacOS? 11:55:53 <Celestar> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/155 <= can anyone reproduce this? 11:56:18 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm225.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:56:32 <Singaporekid> Woo, server restarting! 11:56:52 <Tobin> Celestar: Let me check. I didn't yesterday though. 11:57:05 <Tobin> peter1138: Celestar: Hello. 11:58:25 <Tobin> What sort of trouble am I looking for? 11:59:44 <Celestar> I hope little, was just curious whether it works 12:00:50 <Tobin> It builds and runs OK as far as I can see. 12:01:11 <Tobin> Lots of warnings when building the Quartz video driver but that's "normal". 12:02:43 <peter1138> yay, utf8 support without freetype 12:04:16 <Celestar> peter1138: Darkvater Tron new bug report for 0.4.8 12:04:18 <Celestar> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/156 12:04:27 <Darkvater> peter1138: ??? how? 12:04:32 <Darkvater> oh wait I kno 12:04:33 <Darkvater> w 12:04:36 <peter1138> a glyph map 12:04:45 <peter1138> maps to sprite ids 12:04:53 <peter1138> so can map to existing sprites 12:04:54 <Darkvater> I am NOT touching the AI 12:04:55 <peter1138> or be changed 12:05:23 <Celestar> Darkvater: it'S a command that fails for some reason 12:05:30 <Darkvater> it's the AI 12:05:35 <Tobin> Darkvater: Not even to remove it? ;-) 12:05:44 <Darkvater> and this bug has been there for about 2 years I think 12:05:55 <Darkvater> Tobin: perhaps that, yes 12:06:27 <Celestar> Darkvater: we should try to not have crashes in 0.4.8 12:06:55 <Darkvater> it's an assertion 12:07:15 <Celestar> we should not have assertions in 0.4.8 maybe? 12:07:28 <Darkvater> it's an assertion 12:07:41 <Noldo> release will take it a way 12:07:42 <Darkvater> but perhaps it can be looked at if it's 20-30 seconds into the game to find the cause 12:08:07 <Celestar> Darkvater: it's 3 seconds into the game 12:09:50 <peter1138> hee 12:09:57 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8-4.png < sprites 12:10:02 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8-5.png < freetype 12:10:20 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-181-170.vodafone-net.de] has quit ["muss wech"] 12:10:23 <peter1138> sprites looks better. hohum. 12:10:26 <Darkvater> The attached saved game crashes after some 20-30 seconds with the message 12:10:44 <Celestar> Darkvater: use fast forward (= 12:11:37 <Darkvater> peter1138: I like freetype better 12:11:44 <Celestar> freetype > sprites 12:11:45 <Darkvater> hmm doesn't 'world population' bleed? 12:12:01 * peter1138 updates 5's rv list, heh 12:12:37 <Darkvater> especially accents look a lot better with freetype 12:12:51 <peter1138> i think the world pop text is one pixel too low 12:13:02 <Celestar> file a bug report ;) 12:13:26 <Darkvater> peter1138: look at the number 1 in freetype....there is an awful lot of SPACE behind it 12:13:31 <Darkvater> looks really weird 12:13:43 <peter1138> mmm 12:13:44 <Darkvater> bad font? 12:13:52 <peter1138> it's tahoma... 12:13:58 * Darkvater checks 12:14:11 <peter1138> it's probably designed to make numbers be the same width 12:14:18 <peter1138> but i'm ignoring the X-offset currently 12:14:36 <Celestar> does freetype support kerning? 12:14:45 <Darkvater> no, in word it looks fine 12:14:50 <Darkvater> Celestar: yes 12:15:17 <peter1138> i'd need to remember the last char. hmm :) 12:15:51 <peter1138> i'll see what happens if i use the pixel width 12:15:52 <Celestar> KUDr_wrk: how's progress? 12:16:18 <Darkvater> peter1138: can't you just center the letter inside its box? 12:16:52 <peter1138> the box is the pixel width, 12:17:05 <peter1138> the width is the font's character width 12:17:09 <peter1138> they're not quite the same 12:21:42 <peter1138> the 1s are fine if i add the x offset 12:22:05 <Darkvater> I think that looks much better 12:22:22 <peter1138> you've seen it? :P 12:22:34 *** Mackensen [n=cfulton@wikipedia/Mackensen] has joined #openttd 12:23:01 <peter1138> (but it does) 12:23:15 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8-6.png 12:23:41 <Darkvater> no but I am sure it does 12:24:00 <Darkvater> yes, yes much better 12:24:28 <Darkvater> ok now we want to mail the russian ottd-guys to drop their fork ;) 12:24:29 *** stillunknown [n=unknown@82-168-179-194.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 12:24:44 <peter1138> ^^ 12:24:59 <Mackensen> hello all 12:24:59 <Celestar> yes 12:25:41 <Darkvater> and this guy 12:25:42 <Darkvater> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1113757&group_id=103924&atid=636367 12:26:03 <Celestar> write him :) 12:26:21 <Darkvater> although we (peter) haven't (hasn't) handled input yet, right? 12:26:29 <peter1138> not yet 12:27:22 <Darkvater> I think we should promote peter1138 to head-dev 12:27:35 <Celestar> yah \o/ 12:27:37 <Darkvater> since he already has his praise-thread :) 12:27:46 <Noldo> the Code Monkey General 12:27:50 <Mackensen> the wiki appears to be overrun with spam 12:28:07 <Darkvater> hi Mackensen 12:28:31 <Mackensen> hi Darkvater 12:28:37 <peter1138> hmm, old patch 12:28:43 <peter1138> that i've not even looked at o_O 12:29:06 <Darkvater> Mackensen: it is? 12:29:16 <Darkvater> o_O 12:29:24 <Darkvater> recent changes:Mackensen (Talk) (spam removed) 12:29:24 <Mackensen> Darkvater: yeah 12:29:30 <Mackensen> I'm removing it 12:29:35 <Mackensen> but the IPs need to be blocked 12:29:58 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: ping 12:30:11 <Darkvater> I hate those fucking spammers 12:32:37 <peter1138> hm, smaller than my patch 12:32:42 <peter1138> but... for 0.3.6 12:32:42 <peter1138> heh 12:33:02 <peter1138> also uses SDL-ttf not freetype 12:33:02 <peter1138> hmm 12:35:24 *** Eddi|Uni|hier [n=johekr@winpc19.informatik.Uni-Halle.DE] has joined #openttd 12:36:06 * Mackensen whistles 12:36:37 <peter1138> doesn't change the codes 12:36:51 <peter1138> so relies on a mix of utf8 and invalid encodings to work 12:40:36 <Mackensen> does the wiki have any active sysops? 12:41:39 <Celestar> Hackykid: did you happen to test xbridge a bit more? 12:42:01 <Hackykid> hmm, not really 12:42:28 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/bridgesource.tar.gz <= try it (= 12:43:20 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["And he disappears, like a fox, in the night."] 12:43:34 <Darkvater> Mackensen: don't think so. MiHaMiX is admin so we go to him for sysopping ;) 12:47:38 * Mackensen nods 12:47:45 <Mackensen> I think most of it has been cleared out now 12:47:51 <Mackensen> some went back to mid-April 12:48:33 <Darkvater> nice job 12:48:34 <Darkvater> :) 12:48:40 *** Aankh|Clone [n=pockled@203.101.30.199] has joined #openttd 12:49:29 *** Xeryus|bed is now known as XeryusTC 12:50:27 *** Torrasque [n=jerome@84-74-157-134.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:50:40 *** Torrasque [n=jerome@84-74-157-134.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 12:51:25 <Tobin> Mackensen: Have the edits from the spamming IPs stopped? 12:51:32 * Tobin goes looking 12:51:58 <Mackensen> Tobin: I saw a few new ones as I was reverting 12:52:59 *** spoco is now known as Spoco 12:53:22 <peter1138> uh 12:53:28 <peter1138> is this my build, or trunk? 12:54:07 <peter1138> clear out your hosts from openttd.cfg, go to the multiplayer window, and click on one of the headers to sort. 12:54:45 <Darkvater> what? 12:54:51 <peter1138> it crashes for me 12:55:18 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: pong. 12:55:18 <Darkvater> before pressing refresh? 12:55:25 <peter1138> yes 12:55:31 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: spam-alert on wiki. /me forwards MiHaMiX to Mackensen 12:55:33 <peter1138> so you have an empty list 12:55:38 <Darkvater> peter1138: haven't tested 12:56:29 <Mackensen> MiHaMiX: there was another spam attack on the wiki 12:56:34 <Mackensen> MiHaMiX: over the last four days 12:56:37 <MiHaMiX> Mackensen: hmm, lemme check 12:56:47 <Mackensen> MiHaMiX: I've finished cleanup, but those IPs should be blocked indef 12:58:38 <MiHaMiX> Mackensen: ok, and I'm updating the spam regexps as well 12:58:47 <MiHaMiX> Mackensen: or should I give you admin access? 12:59:09 <Mackensen> MiHaMiX: I'm willing 12:59:21 <Mackensen> MiHaMiX: I'm a sysop over at wikipedia 12:59:44 <Celestar> please people do testing ... 13:00:22 <MiHaMiX> Mackensen: ok, you're a sysop now 13:00:37 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1380.lns1-c9.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:00:39 <MiHaMiX> Mackensen: My_spam_blacklist is the blacklist page, which contains the regexps 13:00:45 <Mackensen> ok 13:01:00 <Darkvater> anyone has openttd running? 13:01:20 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: not currently 13:01:44 <Darkvater> that is of no help :"p 13:02:47 <Mackensen> oh, rollback, thank god 13:05:01 *** Hallo [n=me@141.24.48.94] has joined #openttd 13:06:06 <Darkvater> WHAT Kind of a channel is this that nobody has ottd running? 13:06:40 <Celestar> Darkvater: what do you mean? 13:07:07 <Celestar> Darkvater: I can run it ... 13:07:46 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.30.199] has quit [Connection timed out] 13:08:53 <Darkvater> Celestar: the MP-window-sort-crash-on-startup-with-no-servers 13:09:02 * Darkvater takes a deep breath 13:09:23 <Celestar> Darkvater: er? 13:09:47 <Darkvater> remove all favourite servers from your config 13:09:50 <Darkvater> start openttd 13:09:53 <Darkvater> multiplayer 13:10:03 <Darkvater> press one of the bars to sort 13:10:08 <Darkvater> without pressing 'refresh' 13:10:12 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable065.248-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 13:10:18 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: ok, lemme check it 13:10:51 <Darkvater> great 13:10:59 <Celestar> Darkvater: hm. 13:11:05 <Celestar> another todo for 0.4.8 13:11:12 <Darkvater> if it happens, file at bugs@ and flag for .8 13:11:22 <Celestar> Darkok 13:11:36 <Celestar> Darkvater: assign to whom? 13:12:02 <Darkvater> me 13:12:15 <Darkvater> I wrote the sorter 13:12:32 <Darkvater> probably some initializer missin' 13:12:54 <Celestar> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/162 13:12:56 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:13:12 <Darkvater> thx 13:13:12 <Darkvater> hi glx 13:13:20 <MiHaMiX> aaaaaaaaa 13:13:22 <MiHaMiX> grrrr 13:13:23 <glx> hi 13:13:25 <MiHaMiX> I'll kill someone 13:13:31 <MiHaMiX> it fucked up my display 13:13:33 * Darkvater appoints glx for that task 13:13:35 <MiHaMiX> but it froze 13:13:36 <Celestar> MiHaMiX: someone specific? 13:13:55 <MiHaMiX> glibc detected double free on corruption *!prev) 13:14:03 * Darkvater thinks MiHaMiX was in FS trying to crash openttd with 8-bit ? 13:14:37 *** Aankh|Clone is now known as Aankhen`` 13:16:28 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B362B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:34 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:17:10 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has joined #openttd 13:17:22 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: i tried the multiplayer bug you mentioned 13:17:59 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: it not only froze, bug also fucked up my desktop and after X restart I can't login 13:18:08 <peter1138> "oops" 13:18:13 <Darkvater> _oops_ 13:18:58 <Eddi|Uni|hier> that sounds fun ;) 13:19:06 <MiHaMiX> Eddi|Uni|hier: not so funny... 13:19:36 <Darkvater> it sounds funny from the other side of the screen 13:21:25 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: ok, i admit it.. but from my side, it's not so big fun, since I was in hurry writing a code.. 13:21:33 <MiHaMiX> ok, let's try to recover 13:22:01 <MiHaMiX> okay, it'll be a reboot 13:22:17 <MiHaMiX> since local keyboard is no longer functional 13:22:38 <glx> yeah nice crash :) 13:22:49 <peter1138> o_O 13:23:19 * Darkvater is ashamed but I AM laughing here 13:23:44 <Singaporekid> >:3 13:24:07 <Eddi|Uni|hier> i would cheer you up with a 100%-sure-football-bet-article 13:24:10 <Eddi|Uni|hier> but it is in german 13:24:19 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: don't laugh, i blame you, it must be your fault! :-) 13:24:29 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm225.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has left #openttd ["/me scuttles off"] 13:24:35 <Eddi|Uni|hier> http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/0,1518,415325,00.html (for all people that understand) 13:27:11 <MiHaMiX> bbl, reboot 13:27:21 *** MiHaMiX [n=miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has quit ["IRC Session Terminated."] 13:28:05 <Darkvater> rofl 13:28:13 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1380.lns1-c9.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:28:20 <Darkvater> man I couldn't hold it much longer 13:31:21 <Celestar> Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. 13:32:20 <Darkvater> don't worry I have it all the time 13:32:41 * Darkvater checks if he understood correctly 13:33:22 <Darkvater> yep 13:33:44 <Tron> "whatever is said in latin sounds important" 13:34:08 <Eddi|Uni|hier> google says "profound" 13:34:17 <Eddi|Uni|hier> not "important" 13:35:15 <Tron> well, the base meaning of "altum" is "high" ... or "low", depending on context (; 13:35:19 <Celestar> profound 13:35:23 <Tron> s/low/deep/ 13:35:26 <Eddi|Uni|hier> http://www.thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html 13:35:36 <Celestar> Eddi|Uni|hier: ^^ 13:35:48 <Sacro> Celestar: that was my last weeks MSN name 13:35:56 <Celestar> Tron: we need new bridge sprites, the stuff we have here is crap :S 13:36:06 <Tron> we need new everything 13:36:09 <Celestar> you need FOUR height levels to fit a single depot under it. 13:36:19 <Tron> want to hear something funny? 13:36:31 <Celestar> "Hungarian Notation is the tactical nuclear weapon of source code obfuscation techniques; use it! Due to the sheer volume of source code contaminated by this idiom nothing can kill a maintenance engineer faster than a well planned Hungarian Notation attack." 13:36:36 <Celestar> Tron: yeah? 13:36:37 <Tron> according to a person i won't further name - let's call him "MB" ... 13:36:51 <Eddi|Uni|hier> we need steeper slopes and cliffs 13:36:56 <Celestar> Mary Bobbins? 13:37:02 <Tron> this MB says that ottd copied the idea of larger maps from ttdp 13:37:23 <Tron> oh, and the stable multiplayer, too 13:37:23 <Celestar> when last I checked, ttdp did not have larger maps? 13:37:24 <glx> hmm that's wrong :) 13:37:28 <Eddi|Uni|hier> to make bridges somewhat reasonable height levels 13:37:51 <Celestar> Eddi|Uni|hier: THEORETICALLY it wouldn't be difficult. 13:37:59 <peter1138> player_gui.c:46: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type 13:37:59 <peter1138> hmm 13:38:00 <Celestar> if only the BBs would be in order. 13:38:12 <Darkvater> Tron: haha, that's gold 13:38:20 <Hackykid> indeed :-) 13:38:45 <Darkvater> german forums? 13:38:56 <Hackykid> next thing you know we are accused of stealing the idea to use trains in ottd from ttdpatch :-) 13:39:07 <Hackykid> clearly, they were first! 13:39:10 <Hackykid> ehm.... 13:39:20 <Kjetil> You stole the idea of programming from ttdp 13:39:22 <Darkvater> it is absolutely clear we copied OSX support from TTDP 13:39:30 <peter1138> and utf8 13:39:35 <peter1138> oops, it has utf8 13:39:39 <peter1138> but wait 13:39:50 <Darkvater> isn't it utf8-grf? 13:39:57 <peter1138> it's utf8 with non-utf8 bits 13:40:02 <peter1138> much like that jp patch... 13:40:13 <Tron> Darkvater: yes 13:40:37 <Darkvater> ah, let's this further undisclosed person smoke further whatever it is he's smoking 13:40:48 <Tron> Darkvater: i want that stuff too 13:41:04 <Tron> i never had haalucinations even remotly close to that 13:41:31 <Celestar> that undisclosed person sounds like Microsoft 13:41:44 <Kjetil> Microsofts Ballmer == MB ? 13:41:45 <Celestar> Q: do we want to include other (more pretty) elrail graphics? 13:42:30 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 13:42:31 <peter1138> don't we just change the grf, for that? heh 13:42:32 <Darkvater> yeah must be a helluva strong stuff 13:42:45 <Celestar> peter1138: yes, the question is which grf to include in 0.5.0 13:42:49 <peter1138> ah 13:42:51 <Kjetil> Maybe it's space melange 13:42:57 <Darkvater> :D 13:42:58 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACD70DEB.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 13:42:59 <Kjetil> ehm space=spice 13:43:06 <peter1138> dutch ones look nice 13:43:16 <Darkvater> I didn't know it caused hallucinations though 13:43:37 <Darkvater> it does have prescience or whatever you call it 13:43:38 <Kjetil> Darkvater: He is probably comparing ottd to future versions of ttdp 13:43:42 <Darkvater> so accoding to it we 13:43:44 <Darkvater> exactly 13:44:05 <Born_Acorn> Whats going on? 13:45:08 <Kjetil> The world is comming to an end 13:45:31 <Eddi|Uni|hier> and OTTD stole the end of the world from TTDP 13:45:33 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:45:56 <Kjetil> right on 13:46:15 <Darkvater> lolz 13:46:43 <glx> Darkvater: I tried something for the server list crash: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/network_sort.diff 13:46:56 <Darkvater> put up@bugs 13:47:00 <Darkvater> will look at it 13:47:00 <glx> ok 13:47:29 <Darkvater> that's a possibility 13:47:49 <Darkvater> I gotta see how other sorters handle this 13:48:08 <Celestar> I love the fact that vim can open urls 13:48:10 <Kjetil> Hm.. is Armageddon implemented in OTTD ? :P 13:48:13 <izhirahider> peter1138: are you still looking for tiny fonts? 13:48:22 <peter1138> yeah 13:48:31 <peter1138> preferable with good unicode support 13:48:43 <Eddi|Uni|hier> Kjetil: yes, if the date reaches 1. Jan 2091 ;) 13:48:57 *** Serotonin_ [n=not@CPE-72-135-2-46.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:49:26 <Kjetil> Eddi|Uni|hier: hahah 13:49:28 <izhirahider> peter1138: http://artwizaleczapka.sourceforge.net/images/shots/artwiz-aleczapka.jpg 13:49:39 <izhirahider> peter1138: with unicode support is harder 13:50:09 <peter1138> i know 13:50:15 <peter1138> but with unicode is the whole point :) 13:51:13 <izhirahider> peter1138: are you looking for ttf fonts? 13:51:16 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 13:51:23 <peter1138> no 13:51:26 <glx> peter1138: you can't use the same font with different size? 13:51:28 <peter1138> (but can be) 13:51:39 <peter1138> of course 13:51:54 <izhirahider> peter1138: what are their use? programming? 13:52:32 <Celestar> peter1138: Verdana should work out well 13:52:53 <peter1138> izhirahider: for openttd 13:53:01 <peter1138> Celestar: our normal size font is what most people consider tiny o_O 13:53:07 <peter1138> it's out tiny font that's the problem 13:53:17 <peter1138> (normal looks great with verdana or tahoma) 13:53:24 <Celestar> peter1138: what font size are we talking about? 6? 13:53:35 <peter1138> yeah, 6 pixels high 13:53:41 <Darkvater> I think this calls for.... Matt-W 13:53:43 <Celestar> Albany AMT. 13:53:43 * Darkvater hdies 13:53:54 <izhirahider> hmmm, it must be a font with a *proper* license then 13:53:54 <peter1138> Darkvater: and a scalable UI? oh yes! 13:54:00 <Darkvater> yep 13:54:10 <peter1138> izhirahider: not really, we don't have to ship with it 13:54:14 <Darkvater> izhirahider: well you can choose the font yourself :) 13:54:21 <Celestar> peter1138: Andale Sans might even work with 5 pt 13:54:36 <peter1138> sazanami-mincho.ttf works ok for the normal font 13:54:43 <peter1138> though it is monospaced 13:54:44 <peter1138> hmm 13:54:55 <izhirahider> I see, what you're looking for is artwiz with unicode support. We are currently working on it, but it takes time :/ 13:55:09 <Celestar> peter1138: you will not get Kanji chars with 6 pixels height. 13:55:14 <peter1138> Celestar: i know 13:55:25 <Celestar> but for latin, I think Andale works best 13:56:04 <izhirahider> you can always take the long road and create the font to your likings : http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/gbdfed.html 13:56:10 <peter1138> Celestar: not at 6 pixels high :( 13:56:21 <peter1138> heh, true 13:57:13 <Matt-W> just need a scalable font system 13:57:17 <Celestar> peter1138: how many POINTS are we talking about 13:57:18 <Matt-W> then we can argue about which ones to use 13:57:25 <peter1138> Matt-W: we've got that 13:57:31 <peter1138> points, no idea 13:57:43 <Matt-W> we do? cool 13:57:45 <peter1138> but the average text height is... 5 pixels 13:57:54 *** Eddi|Uni|hier [n=johekr@winpc19.informatik.Uni-Halle.DE] has quit [] 13:58:23 <peter1138> yup, 5 pixels 13:58:33 <peter1138> maybe we could create our own tiny font... 13:58:42 <peter1138> creating a bitmap font is not exactly hard work 13:58:47 <Darkvater> just use the current sprites? 13:58:58 <peter1138> yes 13:59:00 <izhirahider> for people who is used to create sprites and graphics, no 13:59:06 <peter1138> currently the system is freetype *or* sprites 13:59:11 <peter1138> i'd have to change bits to allow both 13:59:15 <Darkvater> ah 13:59:16 <peter1138> (but not much) 13:59:27 <peter1138> also 13:59:39 <peter1138> we'd have to faff around with sprite loading and making a glyph map 13:59:59 <peter1138> if we did a font, it would be simpler 14:00:33 <peter1138> Matt-W: http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8-6.png 14:00:37 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 14:00:42 <peter1138> ^^ tahoma at 10 pixels high :) 14:00:45 <peter1138> (bold) 14:01:07 <glx> hey that"s nice 14:01:19 <Matt-W> nice 14:01:20 <Matt-W> very nice 14:01:27 <Matt-W> I'll remember that 14:01:32 <Matt-W> no need to rewrite font system 14:01:34 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7C998.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:01:44 <peter1138> nope :) 14:02:08 <Matt-W> shame about the rest of it 14:02:16 <Matt-W> I need to put in some concentrated effort and get a proposal done 14:02:36 <Celestar> peter1138: TINYFONT sucks 14:02:36 <Darkvater> is mihamix still rebooting? 14:03:28 <Matt-W> peter1138: for 32bpp can the freetype system do antialiasing? 14:03:57 <Celestar> Antialiasing + small fonts == smeary, unidentifyable objects on the screen 14:04:36 <peter1138> Celestar: it is a bit small... 14:04:39 <peter1138> Matt-W: yes, we could 14:04:43 <Matt-W> Celestar: antialiasing + large fonts in newspaper headlines = pretty 14:04:50 <Celestar> Matt-W: true 14:04:54 <peter1138> Darkvater: maybe it didn't reboot... 14:05:00 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-227-167.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 14:05:05 <Matt-W> I'm not as stupid as I look 14:05:28 <Darkvater> we dont' know how you look :) 14:06:03 <peter1138> right, i need a non iso8859-15 lang file 14:06:07 <peter1138> to really test it 14:11:08 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-227-167.vodafone-net.de] has quit ["muss wech"] 14:11:50 <peter1138> anyone? :p 14:12:03 <Celestar> write one! :) 14:12:07 <peter1138> :/ 14:12:11 <peter1138> i make one up... 14:12:16 <Celestar> yeah (= 14:13:09 <peter1138> altavista babel fish! 14:13:15 <peter1138> has english to japanese 14:13:19 <peter1138> this will be lollable 14:14:01 <Celestar> Tron: I'm going to add some accessors that'll be needed later on (and rename some of what we have now) 14:15:07 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1380.lns1-c9.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:16:29 <Darkvater> peter1138: :D 14:18:20 <Celestar> Tron: whatever GetBridgeHeight returns, is nowhere near the height of the bridge, right? 14:18:54 <peter1138> damn, ^S doesn't work on the menu 14:20:18 * Sacro thinks wt2 is actually a backdoor to/from babelfish 14:21:49 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:22:59 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has joined #openttd 14:24:49 *** Torrasque [n=jerome@84-74-157-134.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 14:24:53 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-1544.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 14:26:01 *** MiHaMiX [n=miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 14:26:10 *** MiHaMiX [n=miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has quit [Client Quit] 14:26:49 *** MiHaMiX [n=miham@160.114.48.62] has joined #openttd 14:27:05 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8-jp.png 14:27:38 <MiHaMiX> here 14:27:51 <peter1138> machine blew up? 14:27:52 <MiHaMiX> fsck, I had to dist-upgrade my debian 14:27:55 <peter1138> o_O 14:28:07 <MiHaMiX> X-server was in an incomplete state 14:28:17 <peter1138> but look at the screenshot! 14:28:26 <MiHaMiX> halfly upgraded to xorg, halfly to xfree86 14:28:27 <MiHaMiX> ok 14:28:37 <MiHaMiX> wow ;) 14:28:48 <MiHaMiX> where did you get the fonts? :) 14:29:02 <peter1138> that is sazanami-gothic 14:29:05 <peter1138> (.ttf) 14:30:01 <peter1138> with tahoma, it's all empty boxes :/ 14:30:48 <MiHaMiX> :-( 14:31:06 * peter1138 tries arial unicode 14:31:16 <peter1138> hee, nice 14:31:21 <peter1138> otoh 14:31:25 <peter1138> 23MB font 14:31:39 <peter1138> sazanami-gothic is 7.5MB 14:31:55 *** valhalla1w`pb is now known as valhallasw 14:33:40 <MiHaMiX> :DDD 14:33:53 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8-jp2.png 14:34:07 <Celestar> peter1138: nicely looking (= 14:34:58 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: got anywhere with allowing utf8 for certain langs? 14:35:47 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: nope, I hadn't had a chance, but it really will take a 5 or 10 minutes 14:35:48 <peter1138> our default glyphs are available at 0xE200 -> 0xE300 14:36:14 <peter1138> to allow for vehicle icons, arrows, etc 14:36:28 <Celestar> uh huh 14:36:38 <Tobin> Night people. 14:36:55 <MiHaMiX> Tobin: night? 14:37:00 <MiHaMiX> at 16:36? :) 14:37:02 <peter1138> .au :) 14:37:15 <peter1138> must be late 14:37:22 <MiHaMiX> btw, the problem was a faulty memory module 14:37:36 <peter1138> weird 14:37:41 <Dred_furst> came up with a good compamu name for once :D 14:37:44 <peter1138> just happened to show up then? 14:37:57 <Dred_furst> *company 14:38:05 <Dred_furst> TCP\IP connections :D 14:38:42 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: it somehow happened.. i don't know why.. but after my machine has been stopped and restarted, BIOS wrote that memory decreased in size 14:38:58 <CIA-3> celestar * r4815 /branch/bridge/tunnelbridge_cmd.c: [bridge] Remove another check that is no longer used (When on a bridge v->tile points to one of the bridge heads, so it is perfectly sufficient to check only the bridge heads for present vehicles) 14:39:12 <Darkvater> peter1138: sweeet. But what happened to quit and custom? or not translated 14:39:24 *** Jpl_ [i=jpl@dsl-86-60-135-203-DynIP.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 14:40:01 <peter1138> Darkvater: i translated the wrong quit text :D 14:40:07 <tokai|noir> Darkvater: u do not need to translate everything anyway.. japanese ppl are usualy able to read romaji :) 14:40:24 <peter1138> tokai|noir: it's only a mock up :) 14:40:30 <peter1138> (of jp lang) 14:40:43 <Darkvater> tokai|noir: quit and custom is NOT romaji :) 14:41:18 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 14:41:29 <tokai|noir> Darkvater: it is. as far i know they call everything written in latin letters romaji:) 14:41:54 <Sacro> yeah, as opposed to hirigana and katakana 14:42:08 <Celestar> and Kanji 14:42:15 <MiHaMiX> bbl 14:43:02 <Sacro> yeah 14:44:46 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B84184.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["off... for taking over the world.. take care of evil tokai flying over your heads! whuaahahaha"] 14:45:03 <Darkvater> tokai|noir: hmm, I thought it was only japanese but written in western alphabet 14:45:30 <tokai> Darkvater: that would be romaji too :) 14:46:11 <peter1138> o_ 14:46:12 <peter1138> O 14:46:48 <tokai> Darkvater: but actually they even write western languages in kanas :) see the screenshot.. stuff like Se-I-Ze, Ga--Me etc. :) 14:47:08 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8-jp3.png 14:47:11 <peter1138> just for Darkvater 14:47:40 <Sacro> romanji = roman chars, hiragana = complex japanese, katakana = simple japanese, kanji = 1 symbol per word 14:47:55 <Sacro> according to my brother 14:48:29 *** [D]Xaroth [n=nnscript@ip503c1f52.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:48:43 *** [D]Xaroth is now known as [Shaman] 14:49:29 <Darkvater> peter1138: ;) 14:49:52 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [n=Qrr@p54A7C998.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:52:43 *** Jpl [i=jpl@86.60.133.206] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:53:17 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/branch/bridge]> svn diff | wc -l 14:53:18 <Celestar> 4828 14:56:10 <peter1138> svn diff | wc -l 14:56:11 <peter1138> 3477 14:57:17 <Celestar> that's a good 10% of the code what we got (= 14:58:14 <[Shaman]> so, hows things going on dem stations peter.. did i miss anything? :o 15:02:55 <peter1138> must've done 15:02:56 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:03:26 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:53 <peter1138> Celestar: 1544 lines are in table/namegen.h 15:06:58 <Celestar> peter1138: ah 15:07:15 <Celestar> well I have 3500 lines ripping apart tunnelbridge_cmd.c 15:07:20 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7C998.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:07:21 <peter1138> :) 15:07:39 <peter1138> that's only 1400 lines... 15:09:13 <Celestar> yeah 15:10:19 <peter1138> quite a lot of changes in formatstring for me 15:10:27 <peter1138> i removed the escape sequences 15:10:50 <peter1138> as they're not needed, heh 15:11:12 <Celestar> bah 15:11:29 <Celestar> if (max(max(a, b), max(c, d)) >= bridge_height) 15:11:49 <[Shaman]> I should see if VS.NET 2k5 can compile ottd without errors :P.. think i understand C enough to fix those minor things i think 15:12:22 <peter1138> well, it can 15:12:28 <peter1138> so it's not that much of a challenge ;p 15:12:41 <[Shaman]> yer talking about a microsoft product here :P 15:12:44 <[Shaman]> don't give it -too- much credit 15:12:56 <XeryusTC> [Shaman]: it can, i've tried and it worked :) 15:13:01 <[Shaman]> k >_< 15:13:02 * [Shaman] bored 15:13:08 <XeryusTC> you might need to disable some stuff though 15:13:13 <Celestar> Tron: got rid of "GetBridgeHeight", and reimplemented it completely 15:14:37 <[Shaman]> I should have known better when i started fiddling with C# and gone for C instead >_> 15:15:46 <Darkvater> shintah: I'm using vs2005 to compile 15:15:59 <Celestar> as long as you aren'T on linux (= 15:16:11 <Darkvater> I hate devving on linux 15:16:21 <Darkvater> kdevelop is a big pile'o crap and crashes about every 5 minutes 15:16:22 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12.208.40.81] has joined #openttd 15:16:32 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12.208.40.81] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 15:16:36 *** rain```` [i=rain@24-183-26-9.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 15:16:36 <[Shaman]> Celestar: I compile some of my apps on linux as well 15:16:38 <Celestar> I'm not using kdevelop 15:16:39 <Celestar> (= 15:16:39 <Darkvater> and I am not going CLI on programming 15:16:48 <[Shaman]> just to see if they would ever be able to work on linux :P 15:16:56 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@212.24.150.227] has joined #openttd 15:16:58 <Celestar> I'm still looking for a IDE that has a vim-like editor 15:17:00 <peter1138> i find vim's search superior to vs2005, heh 15:17:05 <[Shaman]> but now that i started using .net 2.0 Mono dun like me anymore :P 15:17:14 <Celestar> VS's editor is utter crap 15:17:15 <Ayoze> kdevelop is the best ide :P 15:17:25 <Celestar> kate/kwrite isn't much better 15:17:31 <[Shaman]> 2k5 improved quite a bit from 2k3 tbh 15:17:55 <Celestar> and I still have no proper editing functions. 15:17:59 <[Shaman]> it can still be gay as fuck, but it's workable 15:17:59 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:18:39 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 15:18:41 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/bridgesource.tar.gz <= new version 15:18:52 <Sacro> Celestar: cant you set kwrite/kate to use Vim? 15:19:08 <Celestar> Darkvater: didn't you want to review station lists? 15:19:14 <Celestar> Sacro: haven't tried for a long time. 15:19:24 <Celestar> the only thing that misses in vim is a gdb interface :S 15:19:35 <[Shaman]> Celestar: that full ottd or just the bridge edit part? 15:19:36 <peter1138> cgdb++ 15:19:57 <Celestar> [Shaman]: that is full ottd source for xbridge. svn diff still does some crap :S 15:20:08 <[Shaman]> k 15:20:28 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12.208.40.81] has joined #openttd 15:22:51 <peter1138> 27066 peter 15 0 41728 14m 22m S 13.6 2.9 0:04.20 openttd 15:22:54 <peter1138> big :/ 15:23:03 <[Shaman]> HA! no sollution files <3 15:23:05 <Celestar> peter1138: is that just because of loading the font? 15:23:06 <[Shaman]> time to go fiddle 15:23:11 <Celestar> solution files?! 15:24:05 <peter1138> s27084 peter 15 0 20056 7408 6092 S 12.6 1.5 0:03.32 openttd 15:24:06 <[Shaman]> yar, another gay thing of microsoft :P 15:24:09 <peter1138> Celestar: yes 15:24:36 <peter1138> [Shaman]: there are solution files there 15:24:41 <Celestar> peter1138: ugly, we need smaller fonts. 15:25:02 <[Shaman]> not in the updated tar file celes just posted? :o 15:25:02 <peter1138> Celestar: that *was* using a 7.5MB font file... 15:25:08 <Celestar> ?? 15:25:13 <[Shaman]> just.. makefile ^^ 15:25:29 <peter1138> oh 15:25:55 <Celestar> peter1138: [Shaman] just copy into your branch/bridge directory (= 15:26:20 <peter1138> i don't need it ;p 15:26:23 <Celestar> (but you'll need to add bridge_cmd.c and tunnel_cmd.c to the project 15:26:23 <[Shaman]> nah i'll just keep kicking it untill it works ^^ 15:26:36 * [Shaman] enjoys kicking things 15:26:42 * peter1138 still wonders about the extra processing of utf8 15:26:58 <peter1138> must slow it down somewhat 15:27:09 <Celestar> peter1138: so by how much does mem usage go up ? 15:27:18 <Celestar> (and is there any way to make it optional?) 15:27:29 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:40 <peter1138> depends on the font, but not that much by itself 15:27:40 <Celestar> .oO(I guess loading individual chars is not an option) 15:27:46 <peter1138> and yes, it is already optional 15:27:49 <peter1138> well 15:28:02 <Celestar> so then, worry not (= 15:28:05 <peter1138> we could close the font file after a while 15:28:06 <Darkvater> < going home 15:28:15 <peter1138> then reopen if it's needed 15:28:26 <Celestar> < going to town 15:28:27 <peter1138> we (permanently) cache the glyphs 15:28:35 <Celestar> peter1138: sounds like a decent idea. 15:28:56 <Celestar> Darkvater: please drop comments about station_lists2.diff (= 15:29:13 <peter1138> i suspect reopening the file for each real glyph draw, even if it's only once on start up, would suck 15:29:17 <peter1138> hmm 15:29:28 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/station_list2.diff 15:29:51 <peter1138> i don't see any need to expire the cache 15:29:59 <peter1138> as the produced sprites are tiny 15:30:03 <Celestar> peter1138: unless $USER switches language. 15:30:19 <peter1138> most langs use the same glyphs 15:30:33 <[Shaman]> yarr, lots of errors \e/ 15:30:43 * [Shaman] is doing a good job in fucking things up 15:30:55 <Celestar> [Shaman]: ? 15:31:29 <[Shaman]> tunnel_cmd.c:240 .. but i'll first check if it wasn't my own doing :P 15:31:39 <[Shaman]> there's a good few dozen tho, so might be just my doing ^^ 15:32:07 <Celestar> [Shaman]: REMOVE tunnelbridge_cmd.c from the project 15:32:44 <[Shaman]> it allready is 15:33:01 <Celestar> ooo kkk 15:33:21 <[Shaman]> hang on lemme get my buildlog 15:34:28 <Celestar> me.etd = "1545Z" 15:35:24 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has quit [""Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness." - Terry Pratchett"] 15:35:54 <[Shaman]> http://www.shamanserv.nl/ottd/BuildLog.htm 15:36:28 * peter1138 wonders how to strip this patch down 15:37:03 <[Shaman]> hm, zlib/libpng 15:37:14 <Celestar> [Shaman]: plug the source in branch/bridges 15:37:19 <Celestar> and there ARE warnings 15:37:30 <Celestar> so disable "turn warnings into errors" 15:37:46 <Celestar> plus you need png-devel and zlib-devel or you disable PNG and ZLIB functionality 15:37:57 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12.208.40.81] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:37:58 *** Hackykid [i=Hackykid@dyn-105215.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:39:00 <[Shaman]> lemme check with the warnings thing 15:39:12 <glx> [Shaman]: you need to compile strgen first 15:39:26 <Celestar> [Shaman]: wait I'm coocking up a new tarball 15:39:29 <glx> to fix STR_* errors 15:41:30 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/bridgesource.tar.gz <= new tarball 15:41:44 <[Shaman]> glx: strgen compiled first, yes 15:42:02 <glx> and runned before ottd compilation? 15:42:18 <peter1138> runned! 15:42:33 <glx> peter1138: yeah my english is bad 15:42:39 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/branch/bridge]> grep -o "^#include" *.[ch] | uniq -c | sort -n | tail -3 15:42:42 <Celestar> 31 rail_cmd.c:#include 15:42:44 <Celestar> 31 station_cmd.c:#include 15:42:47 <Celestar> 50 openttd.c:#include 15:42:52 <[Shaman]> strgen - up-to-date. 15:43:01 <Celestar> WHY does openttd.c have 50 includes? 15:43:02 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:43:05 <Celestar> [Shaman]: use new tarball. 15:43:13 <[Shaman]> Celestar: wget-ing 15:43:14 <glx> [Shaman]: did you compiled lang files ? 15:43:15 * [Shaman] lazy 15:43:18 <[Shaman]> glx: aye 15:43:37 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 15:44:06 <[Shaman]> whoa, new tarbal has less errors that's fer sure 15:44:17 <[Shaman]> 19 compared to the old.. 90-something 15:44:57 * [Shaman] updates build-log 15:46:31 <Celestar> dunno whats wrong with your sprite.c 15:46:36 <Celestar> maybe peter1138 knows (= 15:47:04 <[Shaman]> heh 15:47:11 <[Shaman]> last error sounds funny 15:47:19 <[Shaman]> arrays need 'curly' brackets 15:48:03 <[Shaman]> maybe i don't have the deps for the thing to build.. sdl? :o 15:48:24 <peter1138> yeah 15:48:29 <peter1138> sprite.c doesn't exist anymore 15:48:31 <Celestar> blathijs: I'll have some npf questions later on. 15:48:46 <Celestar> then remove sprite.c? ;) 15:48:49 <peter1138> i did 15:48:54 <glx> [Shaman]: sdl not needed for windows 15:49:05 <peter1138> hence it doesn't exist anymore :P 15:49:10 <[Shaman]> ahem, might want to update the sln file then :P 15:49:12 <Celestar> rm: cannot remove `sprite.c': No such file or directory <= it'S for sure not in the tarball (= 15:49:15 * [Shaman] compiles again 15:49:23 <peter1138> feh 15:49:56 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has joined #openttd 15:49:58 <[Shaman]> now 1 error left 15:50:02 <[Shaman]> the curly brackets ^^ 15:50:02 <glx> [Shaman]: on which ottd sources did you untar Celestar's tarball? 15:50:16 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:50:17 <[Shaman]> latest i could get my hands on 15:50:28 <[Shaman]> so that'd be 0.4.7 unless we moved to .8 within the past.. 5 days 15:50:48 <Celestar> did you ever hear about svn? 15:50:56 <Celestar> ok 15:50:58 <Celestar> damnit 15:51:01 <[Shaman]> Yes, about 10 seconds ago 15:51:02 <peter1138> that would explain it :P 15:51:10 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has joined #openttd 15:51:11 <[Shaman]> no seriously, my projects are 1-man things 15:51:14 <[Shaman]> plus i don't do C 15:51:17 <Celestar> time > me.etd 15:51:20 <[Shaman]> i do the ghey microsoft version 15:51:25 <Celestar> so me->depart(); 15:51:35 <[Shaman]> me.Wave(); 15:52:15 <peter1138> version control is good even for 1-man projects 15:52:46 <[Shaman]> not when you have 1 main programming rig :P 15:52:54 <[Shaman]> the source won't run away :P 15:52:58 <[Shaman]> only your backups 15:53:15 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:54:38 <peter1138> ... 15:55:09 *** ector-- [n=meloditr@ygun.brg.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 15:56:51 <peter1138> o_O 15:57:11 <peter1138> glad i didn't spend any time on the "Can't Load game..." topic 15:57:17 <peter1138> "I copied a savegame from my notebook running OTTD 4.5 and i'm running 4.7 on my pc and when i try to load the game, i get "Game Load Failed". " 15:57:33 <peter1138> where "OTTD 4.5" == nightly, apparently 15:58:42 <Celestar> :S 15:58:53 <Celestar> away 16:00:31 <XeryusTC> peter1138: so you're happy that I did that for you? :) 16:01:17 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B84184.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:02:20 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [n=Qrr@p54A7C998.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:02:56 *** Jango [n=Jango@mettab.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:03:25 <Jango> morning 16:04:17 <blathijs> Celestar: I'll be around I think 16:04:46 <peter1138> XeryusTC: :) 16:04:56 <XeryusTC> :) 16:05:06 <XeryusTC> a smiley says more then a thousand words ;) 16:06:33 * [Shaman] back 16:07:17 * [Shaman] contemplates svn 16:08:21 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50c79ac1.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:08:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:16:05 <Born_Acorn> XeryusTC, even >{{:^[}}? 16:16:08 <Born_Acorn> :p 16:16:37 <XeryusTC> yes :P 16:16:53 <XeryusTC> looks like a guy with a lot of rimples :P 16:16:53 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1380.lns1-c9.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:17:06 <Born_Acorn> :p 16:17:18 *** Jango [n=Jango@mettab.demon.co.uk] has quit ["Using KVIrc 3.0.1 'System Virtue'"] 16:17:24 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: waypoints! 16:17:43 <XeryusTC> lol 16:18:26 <peter1138> hmm 16:18:45 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/hutfingford_transport_10_ago_1992_101.png 16:19:16 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! trams! 16:19:26 <peter1138> someone else is planning those 16:19:47 <Born_Acorn> Who? I must "<nick>! trams!" them! 16:20:08 <peter1138> hah 16:20:19 <peter1138> you'll get no such information from me 16:21:04 <Born_Acorn> I have your dog's wife's best friend, named Puddles, hostage! 16:23:03 <Born_Acorn> So, where is the hideen rebel base located? 16:25:50 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: /whereis :) 16:26:08 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tsch??"] 16:26:18 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.30.199] has quit ["Look ma, no script!"] 16:26:51 <Born_Acorn> But I want to test this fully operational battlestation! 16:28:23 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: thats no battlestation, thats a ploddyphut choo choo 16:29:36 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12.208.40.81] has joined #openttd 16:29:42 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12.208.40.81] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:30:51 <Sacro> Born_Acorn! Variable mineral pile sizes and colours! 16:32:15 <peter1138> YES! 16:32:25 <Sacro> peter1138: you ok there? 16:32:26 <peter1138> and i should finish off things like cargo selection in newstations 16:33:12 <Sacro> peter1138! finish newstations! 16:33:40 <Born_Acorn> Sacro, yes, yes. Doing so. 16:33:46 <Born_Acorn> (NOW) 16:33:52 <Born_Acorn> As in the present time! 16:34:02 <peter1138> (not sure what the criteria for cargo selection is / should be, heh 16:34:04 <peter1138> ) 16:34:23 <Born_Acorn> When you are unsure, ask patchman! 16:34:29 <peter1138> ino 16:34:33 <peter1138> because he'll say 16:34:40 <peter1138> oh, it's just that 16:34:44 <peter1138> only takes 1 line of code 16:34:47 <peter1138> etc etc 16:36:11 <Born_Acorn> Maybe it does! 16:36:14 <Born_Acorn> Maybe it doesn't. 16:36:19 <peter1138> WHO KNOWS 16:36:26 <Born_Acorn> patchman does! 16:36:38 <Born_Acorn> You should ask him! 16:36:41 <peter1138> it's probably go through the station's list of cargo in the order of amount waiting 16:39:41 * peter1138 ponders static inline Utf8Decode() 16:40:08 <peter1138> hmm 16:41:05 <Born_Acorn> I pick fights with fast moving freight trains 16:41:43 <Born_Acorn> I win, because I have a Death St- pluddyphut choo choo 16:44:14 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729D4.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:50:51 <Vornicus> I was not aware that a ploddyphut choo choo had enough firepower to destroy a planet. 16:51:38 <[Shaman]> peter1138: I'll blame you if i get addicted to this. 16:53:45 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.11.160] has joined #openttd 16:59:17 <XeryusTC> lol @ [Shaman] 16:59:26 <[Shaman]> wha? 16:59:37 <[Shaman]> I assumed it was common to blame him.. so i am :P 16:59:51 <XeryusTC> you should blame your schrink :P 17:01:21 <[Shaman]> I did.. he ended up six feet under >_< 17:01:43 <[Shaman]> He said I had some anger issue.. dunno what he was talking about 17:03:30 <Born_Acorn> Vornicus, you were not well informed. 17:03:36 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@84.67.229.100] has joined #openttd 17:04:13 <Born_Acorn> The mouth on the face of the train asplodes galaxies. 17:04:24 <XeryusTC> there is a deux chevau in front of my house, and a hippie in it :P 17:05:29 <Sacro> send Born_Acorn to get them 17:05:29 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:05:42 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 17:06:20 <Born_Acorn> I have a gun. 17:06:32 <XeryusTC> Sacro: where dit you get the insane idea that i want to be in the same building as Born_Acorn? 17:06:35 <peter1138> i have freetype 17:06:39 <Born_Acorn> I won't need to shoot it, because the hippie will run away from the sight of a gun. 17:06:57 <Born_Acorn> I also have a teleportation device to be in anyones house. 17:07:46 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:10:22 <XeryusTC> good, grab your gun, teleport to peter1138 and threaten to shoot him if he doesnt give the name of the person that's wornking on trams :) 17:10:47 <Born_Acorn> I know where peter1138 lives! 17:11:13 <peter1138> http://www.marax.at/funpix/porsche_mega_crash.html 17:13:32 <XeryusTC> peter1138: that happens more often 17:17:47 <[Shaman]> somehow i got the feeling tortoiseSVN is trying to get the entire content of the svn rep :/ 17:18:17 <XeryusTC> [Shaman]: that is what it is supposed to do 17:18:27 <peter1138> heh 17:18:30 <peter1138> you want /trunk 17:18:36 <[Shaman]> yar but not for.. the past 20 minutes!? 17:18:47 <peter1138> (or possibly /branch/bridge) 17:19:07 <[Shaman]> finally.. done.. after 21 minutes and 34 seconds >_> 17:20:16 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:20:59 <Ayoze> what option means to use euros in the openttd.cfg? currency? 17:21:51 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 17:23:43 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has quit [Client Quit] 17:24:31 <blathijs> peter1138: You want just the head revision, not the entire svn repos :-) 17:24:43 <blathijs> but I don't think Tortoise can get more than one rev 17:24:47 <peter1138> well, yeah 17:25:06 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947DDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:00 <Darkvater> ok backk0rz 17:27:21 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, I'm working on Livestock storage for Brick Freight" 17:27:22 <Born_Acorn> ! 17:27:32 <peter1138> \o/ 17:27:45 * MiHaMiX back 17:27:51 * Born_Acorn front 17:28:03 <MiHaMiX> I had a task with FLASH priority :) 17:28:11 <Born_Acorn> so add them together and get Born_aMiX 17:28:31 <MiHaMiX> Born_Acorn: lol 17:30:05 <Darkvater> hmm it seems I am still not back 17:31:58 <Born_Acorn> wow. I just compiled the bridge branch. Thats amazing work. 17:32:09 * MiHaMiX is going to go home in 30 minutes :) 17:32:13 <Born_Acorn> It will revolutionise the way of people using diagonal track more! 17:32:14 <peter1138> beats the pants of my old one 17:32:27 <MiHaMiX> but until then let's do something useful ;) 17:35:49 <peter1138> wt2 utf8! 17:37:29 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: yes, but only after creating the accounts for signed up wannabe translators 17:39:54 <MiHaMiX> ok, no more pending requests, let me work on WT2 17:40:09 <Bjarni> MiHaMiX: did you open my account? 17:41:02 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: er.. no :D wait pls :D 17:41:38 <Bjarni> I guess that explains why WT2 login didn't like me 17:42:28 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: most probably :) 17:42:36 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: it's just a matter of seconds now :) 17:43:53 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: msg 17:45:12 *** Andrew67 [i=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has joined #openttd 17:45:42 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 17:47:48 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 17:49:04 <MiHaMiX> ok, going home, will be back later 17:53:34 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 17:55:25 * Sacro consider's translating into 'Ull, or t'Yorkshire 17:55:40 <peter1138> ;p 17:56:06 <Sacro> peter1138: i think OpenTTD would be amusing in local dialects 17:56:19 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-196-022.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:21 *** Andrew67 [i=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:02:23 * peter1138 sulks at the nightly build server 18:02:46 <peter1138> so much faster than my build ;( 18:03:17 <Darkvater> we should hijack it 18:03:58 <tokai|noir> don't moan :) i'm currently fighting with a bug in the os, which slows down gcc and other certain apps by a factor of 3 :) 18:07:51 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-181-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:08:41 <Born_Acorn> I'm currently fighting 6 ninjas and 3 pirates and one ninja pirate. 18:08:46 <Born_Acorn> in fact, brb. 18:09:48 <Born_Acorn> ooh. That last one was tricky. He found the sharp items drawer. 18:12:38 <tokai|noir> full openttd build (after make clean) needs 6m 42s currently here:) 18:12:46 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3E540.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:18:29 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:19:11 <Darkvater> hehe this further undisclosed person's rants are hilarious 18:20:26 <Sacro> Darkvater: which undisclosed person? 18:21:00 <Darkvater> eh.. Microsoft Ballmer 18:21:05 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:21:43 <Trippledence> Hello 18:22:59 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 18:23:17 <Darkvater> hi 18:24:16 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 18:25:04 <Sacro> hey Trippledence 18:27:01 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 18:27:01 <peter1138> hmm 18:28:26 *** Awezome|00 [n=Awe@port757.ds1-suoe.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 18:29:04 <Born_Acorn> I've been Ballmer TV ads from the early Microsoft days. They are so cheesey. 18:29:14 <peter1138> fuck 18:29:17 <Born_Acorn> Like a modern day used car advert. 18:29:30 <hylje> :> 18:30:03 <hylje> chair of throwing | fortify Throw skill by 20 if you are Ballmer 18:30:03 <Born_Acorn> "Come down to Michael Bloombergs used car emporium. This Model T Ford with cinder block wheels is now only 499! 18:30:58 <Born_Acorn> There is no wiki page on Newstations! D: 18:31:10 <hylje> E: 18:31:31 <Born_Acorn> Alert the police! 18:31:39 <Awezome|00> Hello guys i have a problem with setting up the server im broadingst my dedicated server to your master server but its not join able eigther from my home or from the internet? 18:32:03 <peter1138> `fuckety fucking fuck 18:32:07 <peter1138> just opened a beer 18:32:11 <peter1138> it... 18:32:17 <Born_Acorn> That only happens when you can touch your nose with your tongue. 18:32:20 <peter1138> it sprayed 18:32:28 <peter1138> over my desk 18:32:30 <peter1138> keyboard 18:32:30 <peter1138> face 18:32:31 <[Shaman]> O_O eek 18:32:31 <peter1138> carpet 18:32:40 <peter1138> what a fucking waste of beer :( 18:32:44 <Awezome|00> i need help plz :/ i have opened the port on my router etc. to the dedicated server? 18:32:54 <Born_Acorn> If somebody joined just before "(19:33:02) <peter1138> it..", that would be bash.org worthy. 18:33:31 <Born_Acorn> I have a biere, with no spillage! 18:33:49 <Darkvater> hmm 18:33:58 <Darkvater> I remember there was a bash quote like this 18:34:13 <Awezome|00> oka i guess noone can hhelp me no ? :( 18:34:25 <Darkvater> it was with cola, and the guy went 'god you're fucking disgusting' and quit 18:34:32 <peter1138> Awezome|00: sorry 18:34:41 <Darkvater> Awezome|00: got a router? 18:35:01 <Awezome|00> yes 18:35:06 <peter1138> Awezome|00: to advertise you need to forward the port too 18:35:15 <Awezome|00> 'i have forwareded the right port 18:35:26 <Awezome|00> OHHH FUCK 18:35:28 <peter1138> udp & tcp? 18:35:29 <Awezome|00> i think i know the problem hahahaah 18:35:32 <peter1138> :) 18:35:40 <Awezome|00> blow me i hate zonelabs 18:35:40 <Awezome|00> :) 18:35:50 <[Shaman]> zonelabs is the root of all evil 18:35:51 <Awezome|00> hope this does it :) 18:35:59 <Darkvater> it figures 18:36:02 <Awezome|00> HAHAHA 18:36:03 <Awezome|00> pownage 18:36:08 <hylje> iptables 18:36:08 <hylje> ! 18:36:21 <Bjarni> hey, we got an awesome visitor :D 18:36:22 <Awezome|00> how do i change my map on the server? 18:36:34 <peter1138> Bjarni: no, i'm always here 18:36:41 <Bjarni> good one 18:36:47 <hylje> Awezome|00: load a savegame 18:36:50 <Awezome|00> oka 18:37:03 <peter1138> are there no slovakians interested in fixing the broken strings? 18:37:20 <peter1138> hmm 18:37:23 <Awezome|00> i will try and go play now guys thanks a lot 18:37:26 <Brianetta> My autopilot pauses the game as soon as it realises that there are no players, just spectators 18:37:30 <peter1138> very strange pm on the forums 18:37:31 <peter1138> subject: hi 18:37:31 <Brianetta> but I think it needs more testing 18:37:32 <peter1138> message 18:37:38 <peter1138> "how do i bost my rank on this site? i just want to know" 18:37:57 <Prof_Frink> peter1138: reply: bribe the admins 18:38:04 <Darkvater> haha 18:38:10 <peter1138> become a dev :) 18:38:15 <Darkvater> http://bash.org/?207373 18:38:17 <Darkvater> ah there we go 18:39:19 <peter1138> heh 18:39:25 <hylje> out of context = FUN 18:40:02 <hylje> http://bash.org/?1585 18:41:14 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:41:24 <Darkvater> OMG that guy must a fucking idiot 18:44:21 <Sacro> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25063 <- thats a nice request 18:44:54 <Sacro> not for 56k's though, my 2.5M is struggling with the linked image 18:45:34 <Born_Acorn> I don't know about 3rd rail. For starters there are no default locos that are 3rd rail. 18:46:02 <Darkvater> http://bash.org/?52967 \o/ 18:46:10 <Rubidium> Born_Acorn: there are no default trams :) 18:46:28 <Born_Acorn> I know! 18:46:39 <Prof_Frink> Born_Acorn: Yet. 18:46:53 <Born_Acorn> But that odesn't mean to say that tram tracks only appear when a trams grf is loaded! 18:46:59 <Prof_Frink> Remember that we want to replace the original gfx 18:47:01 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: London Underground trains 18:47:19 <Sacro> well, pre-steam era 18:47:39 <Born_Acorn> Yes, but those aren't default, and would need to be drawn. 18:47:48 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: DRAW THEM 18:48:08 <Prof_Frink> Born_Acorn! MoreSprites! 18:48:09 <Born_Acorn> I don't do trains as well as others. 18:48:22 <Prof_Frink> peter1138! MoreFeatures! 18:48:44 <Born_Acorn> http://graphics.tt-terminal.co.uk/apt.PNG is as good as it gets. 18:48:54 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=22445 18:49:30 <Born_Acorn> Thats not default! 18:49:35 <Born_Acorn> Thats a grf! 18:50:10 <Sacro> [19:47] <Born_Acorn> Yes, but those aren't default, <b>and would need to be drawn.</b> 18:50:30 <Born_Acorn> I meant in time for what Prof_Frink said. 18:50:32 <Born_Acorn> The new graphics. 18:50:37 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: code! 18:52:40 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B362B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:53:34 <Bjarni> http://bash.org/?640259 <-- awesome :D 18:54:10 <peter1138> hmm, so, freetype 18:56:30 <Sacro> peter1138: nice change of subject there, subtle 18:56:50 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8-jp3.png 18:57:25 <Darkvater> hmm haven't I seen this before? 18:57:29 <Darkvater> are you cheating us boi? 18:57:30 <peter1138> yes 18:57:33 <peter1138> yes 18:57:37 <peter1138> i've not anything since 18:57:44 <Darkvater> *shock* 18:57:53 <Sacro> peter1138: newcharectersets! 18:58:07 <peter1138> .lol 18:58:15 <MiHaMiX> :DD 18:58:22 <LIIT> peter1138! feed me! ;-) 19:00:44 <peter1138> with what? 19:01:19 <LIIT> hmmm, I feel like nice mexican food :-) 19:02:44 *** Andrew67 [i=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has joined #openttd 19:02:54 *** Belugas [n=jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 19:02:59 *** Belugas [n=jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:04:28 <Bjarni> I got a question for the channel. The translation of "Ship Depot" sounds awful in Danish. Would it be wrong to call it a "dry dock" instead? 19:06:33 <blathijs> I don't think so 19:07:10 <peter1138> i don't think 19:07:31 <LIIT> Bjarni: what's the current Danish Translation ? "Skib's Depot" ? 19:08:07 *** Mucht|zZz [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 19:08:18 <LIIT> maybe "wet dock" - since it's normally in the middle of the water ? any thoughts ? 19:08:36 <Bjarni> ... 19:08:50 <Bjarni> "våddok".... that just makes no sense whatsoever 19:08:57 <[Shaman]> shipyard? :o 19:09:07 <LIIT> I don't know anything about ships :-) 19:10:10 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176106160.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:10:45 <Bjarni> "værft", "skibsværft" 19:11:16 *** |Jurgen| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:12:42 <LIIT> hmmm, I like "skibsværft" 19:13:15 <Darkvater> http://bash.org/?608068 19:13:17 <Darkvater> heh 19:14:53 <peter1138> lol 19:15:42 <LIIT> my fav quote (please don't take offense if you are religous): <[TN]FBMachine> i got kicked out of barnes and noble once for moving all the bibles into the fiction section 19:18:18 <[Shaman]> LIIT: Skibsvaerf == ship warf? (sp?) (no i don't have them funky keys, sue me. ) 19:18:56 <LIIT> Might be, I don't speak dutch :-) 19:19:12 <Sacro> "ae" is used in english too 19:19:56 <LIIT> he ment 'æ' -> 'ae' 19:21:03 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B84184.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 19:23:49 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176126014.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:25:05 <Bjarni> hmm 19:25:10 <Bjarni> default in Danish... 19:26:19 <Darkvater> dammit 19:26:24 <Darkvater> now I am addicted again to bash.org 19:26:33 <Bjarni> maybe I will think of something later 19:26:47 <Bjarni> Darkvater: you mean you have to try the stuff you read? 19:26:54 <Darkvater> eh nooo. 19:26:55 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3E540.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 19:26:58 <Bjarni> like putting on a ski mask? 19:26:59 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 19:27:08 <Darkvater> yeah, that's awesome 19:27:17 <Darkvater> my mother's too old for that though 19:27:27 <Darkvater> hmm 19:27:29 <Darkvater> shit 19:27:36 <Bjarni> it should not be your own mom :p 19:27:39 <Tron> congratulations, Mr. Farago 19:27:54 <Tron> you just made it to bash.org 19:27:55 <Bjarni> but I guess that is what you want... or something 19:28:14 <Darkvater> fuck 19:28:23 <Darkvater> I'm not reading any bash anymore 19:28:30 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: ebbol mar nem jossz ki jol.. :) 19:28:40 <Prof_Frink> Darkvater: qdb.us 19:28:48 <[Shaman]> are there ideas for 'cliffs' or is that something a patch would introduce? :o 19:29:06 <Sacro> MiHaMiX: i cant decrypt that :( 19:29:11 <Tron> this sentence makes no sense 19:29:38 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: no problem, it was intended for Darkvater only ;) 19:29:57 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: only he has enough computation power to decrypt that message :DD 19:30:12 <Darkvater> ;p 19:30:34 <Darkvater> I will not speak for the remainder of this day to save myself from any more embarassments 19:30:42 <MiHaMiX> ok :) 19:30:49 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: csak okosan :) 19:31:02 <Darkvater> ugy van 19:31:53 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-141-201-11.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:32:01 <MiHaMiX> na, <work> 19:33:10 <Bjarni> I just got a new favourite page 19:33:12 <Bjarni> http://qdb.us/59746 19:34:13 <MiHaMiX> okay, I voted on this. 19:34:43 <MiHaMiX> LOL 19:34:45 <MiHaMiX> <gorilla> if i added up all the penis enlargement emails i have, i would be entitled to, with a money back guarantee, a 14 foot 9 inch penis 19:34:52 <MiHaMiX> http://qdb.us/31211 19:36:48 <Bjarni> sounds a bit like the the slim spam+dong enlarger where the guy replied to both to make them work to move the extra tissue from the stomach to the dong 19:37:08 <Darkvater> .. 19:37:30 <MiHaMiX> <studdud> what the fuck is wtf 19:37:31 <MiHaMiX> :D 19:37:34 <Bjarni> or the scary one: penis enlargement pills .... for dogs 19:37:36 <Bjarni> o_O 19:38:26 <MiHaMiX> lol 19:38:35 <LIIT> One for Bjarni (and everyone else who understands Danish) 19:38:46 <LIIT> http://www.bash.org/?71136 19:39:11 <orudge> so, er, what does the Danish bit really mean then? :p 19:39:34 <LIIT> he is asking for a nice girl who wants to get to know him better, a web-designer is prefered 19:39:52 * Sacro has a girl who'd suit him 19:39:59 <Bjarni> <Shelbob> im a reatrd when i type 19:40:05 <MiHaMiX> bbl, 19:40:08 <LIIT> lol, nice 19:40:34 <Bjarni> LIIT: LOL 19:40:51 <Sacro> whoo, new fave - http://www.qdb.us/queue 19:41:03 <Sacro> http://www.qdb.us/59746 even 19:41:59 <LIIT> phew, did a search for 'LIIT' on bash.org - no results :-) 19:42:27 <Sacro> i quite often do seaches for 'Sacro', i fear Bjarni adding me 19:42:35 *** zr40 [n=zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:42:37 <LIIT> hehe 19:43:34 <Vornicus> http://bash.org/?36911 <--- hey it's me 19:43:36 <LIIT> is there a way to search google case-sensitive ? 19:43:45 <XeryusTC> luckily i'm on a dutch quote db that nobody knows of :) 19:43:57 <LIIT> lol V 19:44:33 <zr40> XeryusTC: quotes.negotiator.nl? 19:44:37 <LIIT> XeryusTC: we know: http://quotes.negotiator.nl/5439 19:44:40 <XeryusTC> no comment 19:44:41 <LIIT> bah, I'm too slow 19:44:42 <zr40> heh :D 19:44:58 <XeryusTC> damn, that quote was bad :( 19:45:34 <XeryusTC> http://quotes.negotiator.nl/5268 :P 19:45:57 <[Shaman]> rofl 19:46:12 <Vornicus> I can't read that language! 19:46:19 <[Shaman]> be glad! 19:46:26 <Bjarni> KingFelix: Oh, dear, that's funny. Glad I caught that! 19:46:27 <Bjarni> KingFelix: I just created a new account for the Naval Academy on one of our services, & the randomly-generated password came out as "KILLNAVY". had to fix that right quick! 19:46:28 <[Shaman]> i can and i nearly choked laughing too hard :/ 19:46:53 <XeryusTC> http://quotes.negotiator.nl/4870 <- that one is the best ever 19:47:31 <[Shaman]> lol 19:47:35 <zr40> I'm in one of the earlier quotes... no, no hints! ;) 19:47:40 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/59655 <-- great timing 19:48:00 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: rofl 19:48:05 <[Shaman]> <3 timing 19:48:24 <[Shaman]> think i'm in 1 quote on bash.. but i can't find it anymore 19:48:27 <peter1138> stop reading quotes and get on with something useful :) 19:48:33 *** Trippledence__ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:44 <Bjarni> like dancing? 19:48:51 <[Shaman]> but i'm about 200-300 quotes on the eggdrop bot tho :/ 19:48:56 <Bjarni> or breathing? 19:49:03 <[Shaman]> peter1138: like dem new stations? :o 19:49:16 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 19:49:25 *** zr40 is now known as Zr40 19:49:51 <LIIT> hmmm, babelfish does not like Dutch: 19:49:53 <LIIT> <Leandres> XeryusTC want pay wrom you so much to CZ? 19:49:53 <LIIT> <XeryusTC> Leandres: don't I don't want, I must get ff already the money at each other 19:49:53 <LIIT> <Leandres> really? 19:49:53 <LIIT> <Leandres> if you offer yourself buy to then? 19:49:53 <LIIT> <Leandres> on the street for example 19:49:54 <LIIT> <KabalA> XeryusTC must stoop for his holiday:p 19:49:56 <LIIT> <XeryusTC> :no: 19:49:58 <LIIT> <Leandres> to KabalA idd. seem it there, however, on 19:50:00 <LIIT> <KabalA> reflect nie hear XeryusTC... you must but this way think by the time that CZ are allaaaaang can you sit and then it not at all falls on:p 19:50:03 <LIIT> <Leandres> _O_ !!!!! 19:50:05 <[Shaman]> XeryusTC: funny.. "bullshit: 1398" .. about 33% of what gets posted is bullcrap there :P 19:50:14 <XeryusTC> i know 19:50:23 <XeryusTC> there are alot of funny quotes in the bullshit 19:50:24 <[Shaman]> LIIT: crappy translation :P 19:50:35 <XeryusTC> http://quotes.negotiator.nl/bullshit 19:50:46 <LIIT> I say dutch ppl just never make sence when they are talking :-) Perfect translation ;-) 19:50:48 <Bjarni> actually if I were that devil guy in the timing one, I would have replied to that question: "I have come for you" or something.... just by reading the two lines he wrote and it would fit so perfectly :D 19:51:28 <XeryusTC> LIIT: that translation is like really crappy 19:51:43 <Bjarni> I think that's the point 19:51:49 <[Shaman]> LIIT: Dutch is an annoying language to translate to english 19:51:55 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-234-25.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 19:52:00 <[Shaman]> for us it's easy to learn english cuz it's easyer than our fucked-up language :p 19:52:00 <LIIT> XeryusTC: hehe, I figured as much.. Try writing something in English, then convert to French, then German, then back to English 19:52:06 <XeryusTC> it isnt, you just need to do it right 19:52:07 <[Shaman]> but other way around is... pure horror :P 19:52:07 <LIIT> lol :-D 19:52:17 <Zr40> [Shaman]: try finnish 19:52:30 <[Shaman]> Sorry, I'm not going to speak viking :P 19:52:31 <XeryusTC> LIIT: why do you want to do that? 19:52:38 <Bjarni> <LIIT> I say dutch ppl just never make sence when they are talking :-) Perfect translation ;-) <-- but for some reason, Dutch only homepages never stopped me :) 19:52:40 <XeryusTC> http://www.bash.org/?16707 _O- 19:52:44 <[Shaman]> any of the languages from that region is just plain wrong :/ 19:52:52 <LIIT> XeryusTC: just too see how bad the translation is 19:52:53 <Noldo> [Shaman]: our language has nothing to do with those scandinavian ones 19:53:04 <LIIT> Bjarni: heh, the only Dutch page I have ever used is nforce :-) 19:53:21 <Zr40> nforce isn't dutch 19:53:30 <Zr40> it's got a dutch domain, but that's all 19:53:36 <LIIT> hehe, it's on a .nl domain - close enough for me :-D 19:53:54 <LIIT> well, actually, I stopped by ID-T's page once, but couldn't make any sense of it 19:54:00 <Bjarni> <[Shaman]> Sorry, I'm not going to speak viking :P <-- viking is not a language, so you just claimed that you will not speak a certain made up language 19:54:17 <XeryusTC> lol Bjarni :D 19:54:21 <[Shaman]> Bjarni: Viking being any of the scandinavian / near-to-scandinavian languages 19:54:28 <Prof_Frink> So he's probably right then 19:54:28 <Sacro> as well as english 19:54:29 <Bjarni> oh 19:54:33 <Bjarni> that includes Dutch 19:54:48 <XeryusTC> http://www.bash.org/?29442 _O_ 19:55:02 <[Shaman]> if it includes dutch it'd include english and german as well :P 19:55:10 <XeryusTC> frisian is connected to scandinavian languages 19:55:15 <LIIT> Bjarni: A friend of mine was once asked, if us Danes have the same problems with our Vikings in the Reservates - as they (American) had with Indians... 19:55:19 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B362B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:35 <[Shaman]> heh 19:56:02 <Bjarni> LIIT: well, we got even worse problems. I mean they go berserk with their battle axes, kill all the guards and go postal 19:56:11 <[Shaman]> few friends were over last queensday (national holliday) so we went translating english words to danish, swedish and dutch, and then let the brits try to do the opposite :P 19:56:20 <LIIT> aye, and they eat all our 'shrooms :-D 19:56:34 <LIIT> [Shaman]: lol, nice 19:56:47 <[Shaman]> It's funny to see that some words actually are close to eachother 19:56:50 <LIIT> I normally just ask them to say "To Røde Pølser Med Brød" :-) 19:56:56 <[Shaman]> often the danish and swedish more close to eachother than the dutch to them 19:57:12 <Bjarni> LIIT: that wrong. It's "Rød grød med fløde" :p 19:57:13 <[Shaman]> s/them/theirs 19:57:40 <LIIT> Bjarni: nono, that's lvl2 :-) 19:58:14 <Prof_Frink> Nah, the challenge is to get Americans to pronounce Loughborough 19:58:27 <Bjarni> what's so hard about that? 19:58:34 <Bjarni> Loughborough 19:58:39 <Bjarni> it's just like that 19:58:44 <LIIT> Loughborough << all done 19:58:48 <XeryusTC> the challenge is to let english people say the "g" on the dutch way 19:58:50 <[Shaman]> We usually let the brits try to pronounce "Groningen" or "Grolsch" .. sounds really bad :p 19:58:53 <Bjarni> maybe that would work better in an audio channel 19:58:55 <Prof_Frink> 'pronounce', not 'spell' 19:58:58 <[Shaman]> XeryusTC: Aye 19:59:25 <Bjarni> Gro-ning-en, right? 19:59:31 <Bjarni> err 19:59:33 <LIIT> Prof_Frink: are you one of those ppl who actually 'meet' other ppl ? I thought they were all dead... 19:59:37 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: its a weird g to pronounce 19:59:44 <Bjarni> we really need audio for something like that 19:59:47 <Prof_Frink> Grolsch isn't prononced. 19:59:52 <XeryusTC> its like there is something stuck in your throth 20:00:16 <Bjarni> <Prof_Frink> Grolsch isn't prononced. <--- it sounds partly eastern European to me 20:00:36 <Bjarni> <XeryusTC> its like there is something stuck in your throth <-- ok, that's Dutch alright 20:00:46 <Prof_Frink> Well, the only time it would be pronounced is when ordering beer, and I wouldn't be getting a Grolsch. 20:00:47 <[Shaman]> heh 20:01:03 <[Shaman]> Grolsch is better than Heineken tbh :P 20:01:06 <Bjarni> btw what do you call { 20:01:12 <XeryusTC> [Shaman]: i dont agree on that :P 20:01:12 <[Shaman]> and the name is just an added effect :P 20:01:25 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 20:01:28 <[Shaman]> XeryusTC: Everybody their own style ;) 20:01:30 <Bjarni> Grolsch is a beer? 20:01:35 <[Shaman]> a beer brand, yes 20:01:41 *** Trippledence__ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:01:42 <XeryusTC> you still taste grolsch hours after you drank it 20:01:47 <Prof_Frink> No, it's a silly foreign lager. 20:02:00 <Bjarni> so you decided to name your beer something so hard to say, that drunk people can't order any more? 20:02:01 <Bjarni> nice 20:02:11 <[Shaman]> http://www.grolsch.nl/ << Click "Ja" then click "Bier" :) 20:02:15 <XeryusTC> the best (dutch) beer would still be "Hertog Jan" or "Palm" 20:02:29 <Prof_Frink> the best beer wouldn't be dutch. 20:02:31 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: grolsch is pronounced really simple 20:02:32 * Zr40 is probably the only one here who doesn't drink beer 20:02:34 <XeryusTC> sch = s 20:02:45 <Noldo> Zr40: no 20:02:49 <Bjarni> Zr40: why do you say that? 20:03:28 <[Shaman]> Grolsch is easy, but you need to get the hang of it, even when you explain people how to say it they still say it wrong.. well either their mistake or the beer they been drinking tbh :P 20:04:00 <Bjarni> Zr40: do you really think that everybody drink beer all the time??? 20:04:03 <Prof_Frink> "Pride" is so much easier to say. And nicer to drink on top. 20:04:05 <XeryusTC> http://www.bash.org/?106560 sicko :D 20:04:25 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:04:48 <XeryusTC> [Shaman]: heineken has a nickname btw, it's freddy after the guy that came up with it :D 20:04:53 *** KritiK_ [i=Maxim@ppp85-141-201-11.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:04:54 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:04:57 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: you are named Silver on the other server? 20:05:14 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: i'm named XeryusTC everywhere 20:05:29 <XeryusTC> if you see it somewhere it would probably be me 20:05:36 <Bjarni> so they changed XeryusTC to Silver to cover you 20:05:39 <Bjarni> that was nicely done 20:05:58 <XeryusTC> yes, many thanks to them :) 20:06:19 <XeryusTC> man, Zr40 is talking to me on the other server :| 20:06:31 <Zr40> ... 20:06:35 * Zr40 just said ping 20:06:58 <XeryusTC> nuff said :P 20:07:16 <XeryusTC> Zr40: ga jij naar cz? 20:07:23 <Bjarni> Zr40: why don't you drink beer? 20:07:24 <[Shaman]> lol @ flabber .. office humour: http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=3569 20:07:32 <Bjarni> and why do you presume that everybody else does? 20:07:46 <Zr40> XeryusTC: cz = campzone? dunno yet 20:08:41 <Zr40> note to self: don't type stuff in one window and continue typing in another one 20:08:49 <XeryusTC> Zr40: you could always join [BI] if you go 20:08:49 <[Shaman]> o_O 20:09:14 <XeryusTC> im in [BI] too :) 20:09:27 <XeryusTC> #bikkels (not on this server) is our channel 20:09:33 <Zr40> what's [BI]? 20:09:34 <[Shaman]> o_O 20:09:36 <Bjarni> err 20:09:45 <[Shaman]> let me guess 20:09:48 <[Shaman]> a dutch clan? :P 20:09:53 <Bjarni> guys, who chase guys and girls.... talk about your guy catches elsewhere 20:09:57 <XeryusTC> Zr40: our clan tag, its short for "Bikkels Inc" 20:10:02 <Bjarni> but it's ok to talk about the girls in here 20:10:13 <XeryusTC> there is a girl in [BI] 20:10:18 <XeryusTC> but she is already taken :( 20:10:23 <hylje> :o 20:10:25 <[Shaman]> XeryusTC: QNet? :o 20:10:25 <hylje> is she bi 20:10:40 <Bjarni> I presume that she is lesbian 20:10:45 <Zr40> [Shaman]: TNet 20:10:47 <XeryusTC> [Shaman]: irc.tweakers.net 20:10:51 <Bjarni> I mean everybody on IRC chases girls 20:10:51 <[Shaman]> o_O pff :/ 20:10:56 <[Shaman]> not going on a 5th network :/ 20:11:00 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: no, she is the gf off one of my clanmates 20:11:15 <Bjarni> o_O 20:11:19 <Sacro> girls? on IRC? 20:11:21 <Bjarni> hahaha 20:11:29 <Bjarni> I nearly fell for that one 20:11:33 <XeryusTC> Sacro: yes, it is possible 20:11:37 <Bjarni> it was a good joke 20:11:43 <[Shaman]> Sacro: By counting in 1 channel alone on another network i see... 4 women :P 20:11:45 <XeryusTC> very unlikely though 20:11:51 <[Shaman]> (confirmed, even) 20:12:05 <XeryusTC> #tweakers.net has a few too iirc 20:12:11 <[Shaman]> pretty.. only 1, but that's a different story :P 20:13:35 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:51 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?15071 <--- I guess she got upset :p 20:14:01 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:14:52 <XeryusTC> http://www.bash.org/?244367 :D 20:15:11 <Bjarni> <Ravage> anyone here have a computer? 20:15:44 <XeryusTC> http://www.bash.org/?443246 <- sicko :D 20:15:45 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 20:16:48 <Bjarni> <XeryusTC> http://www.bash.org/?443246 <- sicko :D <-- I would call a friend of mine and tell him to come over 20:17:01 <peter1138> woo, making money! 20:17:08 <peter1138> though i did have to set the running costs to low 20:17:12 <XeryusTC> :D 20:17:15 <XeryusTC> that reminds me 20:17:22 <Bjarni> and I might mention, that he should properly bring the fire engine with him 20:17:49 <XeryusTC> there was a dutch quote once, some guy invited his friend to come over and listen to the neighbours making love 20:17:59 <Bjarni> lol 20:18:07 <hylje> peter1138: grats 20:18:10 <Bjarni> that reminds me 20:18:17 <XeryusTC> and the guy said on irc "He doesn't have a sense of rythem, and she moans fake" 20:19:01 <Bjarni> two people that lived in an apartment (in Iceland) and they fucked several times a day.... very loud 20:19:02 <LIIT> <XeryusTC> there was a dutch quote once, some guy invited his friend to come over and listen to the neighbours making love 20:19:02 <LIIT> <@Bjarni> that reminds me 20:19:02 <LIIT> -- be afraid... 20:19:18 <Noldo> fires have always gatherer watchers atleast here 20:19:21 <hylje> -- be very afraid... 20:19:39 <Bjarni> so the other people in the building called for a meeting that was only about noises from love making 20:19:57 <Noldo> I've heard old people even saying "The house fires are not what they used to be" 20:19:57 <XeryusTC> Noldo: there are alot of quotes like "The dorm room is on fire" "And he says that on irc before going to put it out" 20:20:06 <Bjarni> after a few meetings and some people from outside, that witnessed the sounds, the couple had to move 20:20:12 <hylje> "omg my house is on fire brb ->" 20:20:20 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-141-201-11.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:20:24 <LIIT> Bjarni: lol 20:20:47 <Bjarni> image being kicked out of your apartment because you fuck too often and too loud 20:20:47 <Vornicus> "brb, tornado" is better 20:20:51 <LIIT> aye, classis 20:20:55 <LIIT> classic* 20:20:57 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: maybe brick walls would have solved the problem 20:21:21 <Bjarni> not to mention "girl friend wants me to spend more time with her. brb" 20:21:38 <[Shaman]> heh 20:22:00 <XeryusTC> hehe 20:22:04 <Bjarni> <morah> I MADE A VOODOO DOLL 20:22:04 <Bjarni> * morah stabs Vireo in the eye 20:22:04 <Bjarni> ... 20:22:04 <Bjarni> * Vireo (sverreba@so817.hig.no) Quit (Dead socket) 20:22:09 <Bjarni> morah is mean 20:22:15 <XeryusTC> lol 20:22:19 <Bjarni> either that or Vireo was mean 20:22:20 <LIIT> another classic: http://bash.org/?23601 20:22:47 <XeryusTC> lol 20:23:01 <Bjarni> <plod> i love wireless network card and laptop 20:23:01 <Bjarni> <plod> u aint lived till youve irced on the toilet 20:23:09 <LIIT> *yikes* 20:23:14 <LIIT> too much info 20:23:25 <Bjarni> actually that's not the reason why I don't like wireless, but it added yet another reason 20:24:02 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d39.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 20:24:50 <XeryusTC> http://www.bash.org/?4745 <- learn to recognize the nerds :+ 20:24:55 <Bjarni> <@Zeth> SLing: Will you take 3 years, .5 million with a 0,000 signing bonus? 20:24:55 <Bjarni> <@SLing> Dude, for that much money I'd eat poop for a living 20:25:06 <Bjarni> SLing, you are not welcome here with a mind like that 20:25:26 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: geek detected 20:26:39 <LIIT> http://bash.org/?80921 << geek ? 20:27:32 <XeryusTC> no, he's right 20:27:32 <Bjarni> Lush Puppy: I lost my virginity at an anime convention - this sentence makes me sound a lot fatter than I actually am. 20:27:34 <Bjarni> wtf 20:27:51 <Bjarni> stuff like that happens at anume conventions? 20:28:06 <LIIT> wtf ? 20:28:07 <Vornicus> http://bash.org/?37767 <--- other ones I've seen 20:28:25 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:28:31 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:08 <Bjarni> hmm 20:29:21 <Bjarni> actually I think that guy is wrong 20:29:53 <Bjarni> stealing a cardboard doll and hide in the bathroom with her and jerk off do not count as losing your virginity 20:30:00 <Vornicus> 20:30:21 <Prof_Frink> 20:30:27 <Bjarni> and he is right. To have room to do that, he can't be as fat as it sounds 20:30:31 <Zr40> bathrooms? at anime conventions? 20:30:39 <Bjarni> toilets 20:30:49 <hylje> toilets and anime conventions are mutually exclusive 20:30:57 <Bjarni> oh 20:31:03 <Bjarni> I didn't know that 20:31:07 <Bjarni> I have never been to one 20:31:18 <Bjarni> maybe I should if stuff like that happens 20:31:25 <Bjarni> err 20:31:36 <Bjarni> I mean if it is a real girl, not a cardboard one 20:31:54 <Tron> Ladys and gentlemen, we have a second bash.org winner tonight! 20:32:10 <LIIT> I've added a few tonight already ;-) 20:32:16 <ln-> "Ladies".. though it doesn't matter, i bet there aren't any here. 20:32:51 <Celestar> ? 20:32:57 <Celestar> bash.org winner? 20:33:10 <Tron> damn, english deteriorating ): 20:33:19 <hylje> you, sir, win the internets 20:34:04 <Bjarni> <Celestar> bash.org winner? <-- http://qdb.us/59746 20:34:09 <LIIT> hmmm, someone should code a IRC-client based on VIM and call it multiplayer-vim - would be a sweet program :-) 20:34:22 <Celestar> LIIT: there IS a vim-based irc client 20:34:34 <LIIT> w00t, nice, name ? 20:34:35 <Prof_Frink> :wqtastic! 20:34:35 <blathijs> oeh 20:34:42 <blathijs> nice :-) 20:34:48 <LIIT> I'm hoping it's Open Source ? 20:34:50 <Celestar> LIIT: not sure. 20:34:55 <LIIT> hmmmmm 20:34:58 <Celestar> blathijs: you got a sec? 20:35:06 <blathijs> http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=931 20:35:07 *** egladil [n=egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 20:35:10 <blathijs> Celestar: yes 20:35:15 <Bjarni> Celestar: I got a mail telling me that you assigned me for a bug 20:35:23 <Celestar> blathijs: ah no, I got it meanwhile ... 20:35:25 <LIIT> sweet, I need to try that 20:35:31 <Celestar> Bjarni: yes, something related to clone vehicles 20:35:44 <Bjarni> yeah, I replied to it and forgot to assign me to it 20:35:58 <Bjarni> I'm not 100% sure how to solve it though 20:36:25 <Celestar> Bjarni: count the number of engines in the train to be cloned and see if there are enough slots left 20:36:45 <Bjarni> I was aiming for something else 20:36:52 <Celestar> well, your call (= 20:37:09 <Bjarni> like a build command, that would only assign a number to the first one 20:37:29 <Celestar> nothing too complex for 0.4.8 if possible 20:37:54 <Bjarni> but if I add a flag (one bit) in P2 to always assign #0 to the train number, could that be abused? 20:38:11 <Celestar> I'm not quite sure why it actually asserts 20:38:12 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 20:38:16 <Celestar> the command should just fail 20:38:23 <Bjarni> no, it asserts 20:38:26 <Bjarni> because 20:38:46 <Bjarni> in the test run, it checks if it can build each engine, which will work 20:38:53 <MiHaMiX> hmm 20:39:12 <Bjarni> when it executes, it builds the first one, and then it will fail to build the next one since it's out of free numbers 20:39:20 <Celestar> Bjarni: it seems that our command system is seriously faulty 20:39:38 <Bjarni> the rest returns a cost, while the execute will return CMD_ERROR 20:39:43 <Celestar> Bjarni: UGLY workaround: increase maximum trains number temporarily 20:39:54 <Bjarni> I wondered about that as well 20:40:11 <Celestar> Tron: any suggestions on that problem? 20:40:15 <Bjarni> but it's ugly 20:40:33 <Celestar> Tron: which does NOT involve rewriting the whole command system? 20:41:19 <Celestar> Bjarni: another suggestion: add a flag "ignore maximum train count" ? 20:41:29 <Bjarni> I wondered about making a global bool, that's false and CmdClone will set it to true and then false when exiting. While it's true, it will not assign numbers to trains and they will be called 0 (it will never be read, but it needs to be init, I think) 20:41:54 <Bjarni> well, that could be the name of a flag like that 20:42:22 <Bjarni> but if it just assigns 0 to it right away, it even saves the loop though all vehicles, which will always take time when you got that many 20:42:52 <Celestar> does the unitnumber 0 have any special meaning for now? 20:43:07 <Bjarni> and it will be a loop for each engine in the train 20:43:08 <peter1138> unit numbers don't have any special meaning afaik 20:43:13 <Celestar> ok 20:43:20 <peter1138> well, perhaps for window identification 20:43:27 <peter1138> but 0 should be ok 20:43:33 <Bjarni> <Celestar> does the unitnumber 0 have any special meaning for now? <-- it's mainly a display thing. Wagons always got 0 though, so I guess it fits 20:43:52 <Celestar> Bjarni: just don't make any more globals, especially with that ugly VARDEF stuff 20:43:52 <Bjarni> it should only be used for non-front engines 20:44:03 <Bjarni> hmm 20:44:08 <Bjarni> then how should I make that flag? 20:44:13 <Celestar> in p1 or p2? 20:44:41 <Bjarni> but if it's added to p2, wouldn't that risk abuse? 20:44:45 <MiHaMiX> Celestar, peter1138, Bjarni, Darkvater, Tron: Call for votes on http://translator2.openttd.org/langdiff.txt 20:45:11 <hylje> http://www.bash.org/?70206 20:45:13 <hylje> and you ? :> 20:45:23 <MiHaMiX> it would be a comment in the language, not a pragma. 20:45:30 <LIIT> hylje: lol, nice 20:45:35 <Celestar> Bjarni: how? 20:46:04 <Darkvater> network problem? 20:46:08 <Bjarni> Celestar: that's the question. Somebody hacks a client to make 5000 #0 trains in a game 20:46:09 <Celestar> Darkvater: ? 20:46:14 <Bjarni> or something 20:46:26 <Celestar> Bjarni: I think we can live with that, since you cannot manage them anyway :) 20:46:30 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: with what i'm doing, the lang files will need to all be utf8 20:46:36 <Bjarni> heh 20:46:41 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: okay, but until then 20:46:49 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: or when will you finish that? :) 20:46:52 <Bjarni> if it's a comment only, then what's the point? 20:47:01 <Celestar> Bjarni: because the train view window will only open for the same train :) 20:47:15 <Bjarni> ok, I will try again 20:47:21 <Celestar> Bjarni: that client will possible desync right away. 20:47:22 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: well, if you want all langfile to be converted to utf8, please do tell me, WT2 will do that in a second :) 20:47:24 <Bjarni> MiHaMiX: if it's a comment only, then what's the point? 20:47:33 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX's stuff, can't reach it? 20:47:53 <Celestar> Bjarni: just make sure that, when giving orders, the unitnumber is non-zero. 20:47:55 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: ok, I just didn't want to cause problems :) 20:48:06 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: ? 20:48:06 <Bjarni> Celestar: at least when trying to climb over the limit 20:48:08 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: is it possible to make some test utf8 lang files that i can use? 20:48:32 <Bjarni> ok, I will fix that bug when I get home tomorrow 20:48:39 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: of course, please wait a little, I'll give you converted langfiles 20:48:55 <Celestar> Bjarni: great. 20:48:57 <peter1138> well, i didn't mean instantaneously :) 20:49:14 <Celestar> Tron: It'd be great if you could read my "diff" over the weekend. 20:49:22 <Celestar> me->bed(); 20:49:25 <MiHaMiX> Celestar: byte 20:49:26 <Celestar> cu tomorrow 20:49:30 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: ok :) 20:49:39 <Celestar> MiHaMiX: byte? 20:49:44 <MiHaMiX> Celestar: bye :) 20:49:48 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:49:49 <Celestar> oh (= 20:49:54 <Celestar> Adios Hombres 20:49:58 <MiHaMiX> :D 20:50:35 * Zr40 also zzz 20:50:35 <MiHaMiX> the word 'waving' is 'integet' in hungarian. I used to write integer without niticing it :D 20:50:38 <MiHaMiX> noticing 20:53:40 *** Trippledence__ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 20:53:52 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:55:22 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B84184.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:55:47 <Sacro> peter1138: you there? 20:55:55 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@212.24.150.227] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:56:04 *** Trippledence__ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 20:56:26 <peter1138> no 20:57:23 <peter1138> wait 20:57:24 <peter1138> yes 20:58:52 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! http://graphics.tt-terminal.co.uk/newstationstuff.PNG 20:58:52 <Sacro> :S got a ukrs newgrf bug, is it you who looks at them? 20:58:52 <peter1138> what's that? 20:58:52 <peter1138> standard five being black i know about 20:58:52 <Sacro> its a glitch with bolster wagons 20:58:52 <peter1138> hmm 20:59:07 <Sacro> they're been drawn at 8/8 length instead of 5/8 and every 2nd one is reversed 20:59:09 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:31 <peter1138> er 20:59:39 <peter1138> not for me 20:59:52 <peter1138> resetengines? 21:00:17 <Born_Acorn> are you dancing with anyone? That causes problems. 21:00:22 <peter1138> yes, don't dance 21:00:34 <peter1138> and definitely don't ctrl-click on them in the depot 21:01:10 <Born_Acorn> last person to do that was... er... well, lets put it this way, have you heard from Dominik81 recently? 21:01:18 <Born_Acorn> and now look! He exploded. 21:02:00 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 21:02:12 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: i think you need to take less medication, or maybe more... 21:02:19 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:02:20 <XeryusTC> http://www.bash.org/?178825 <- the truth! :D 21:02:52 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: code it 21:03:56 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: 'empty squares' should be 'little tiny bits of scrap wood / sawdust left over' 21:04:18 <Born_Acorn> lies. The stationmaster has a hoover. 21:04:22 <peter1138> hehe 21:04:36 <Bjarni> new version of MS word weirdness. I double clicked on a .doc file, then it said that word could not open because word was open and then word crashed o_O 21:04:51 <hylje> hahah 21:04:57 <hylje> microsoft quality 21:05:04 <hylje> lord of the wtf 21:05:27 *** Andrew67 [i=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has quit [Client Quit] 21:06:01 <Bjarni> the best thing that when I typed that in here, it decided on it's own to restart word and open the doc 21:06:09 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.11.160] has quit ["Look ma, no script!"] 21:06:15 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:06:16 <peter1138> virus! 21:06:24 <Bjarni> no 21:06:26 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 21:06:34 <Bjarni> I already broke windows, so I'm not using windows right now 21:06:40 <Bjarni> or rather 21:06:43 <Bjarni> windows did it on it's own 21:06:56 <Bjarni> no surprise there 21:09:42 *** CmdKewin [n=cmdkewin@84-74-37-155.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openTTD 21:11:25 *** |Jurgen| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:17:53 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit ["My BNC will keep you warm, vist #teamlag, #hexus.cs"] 21:23:45 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729D4.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 21:25:32 *** stillunknown [n=unknown@82-168-179-194.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [] 21:28:21 <Born_Acorn> I thought I could have bridges under bridges with this bridge branch 21:28:29 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B84184.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:28:45 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 21:28:45 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B84184.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:30:00 <Born_Acorn> ooh. buying land under bridges makes the bridge disappear 21:30:14 <MiHaMiX> ugh 21:31:03 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947DDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["gn"] 21:35:00 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r4816 /trunk/newgrf.c: 21:35:00 <CIA-3> - NewGRF: action 7/9 improvements: 21:35:00 <CIA-3> - split of parameter retrieving to separate function, 21:35:00 <CIA-3> - handle param size for grf parameters, 21:35:00 <CIA-3> - add more grfid (param 0x88) tests. 21:35:26 <peter1138> (placing pb_viaduct before combroad works now :D) 21:36:18 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 21:37:00 <[Shaman]> nice 21:37:47 <[Shaman]> btw is 4.9 / 5.0 kept in mind with a set date, or is it 'we'll see when it's done' 21:38:10 <peter1138> there's no planned date for 1.0 yet, so... 21:38:21 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 21:38:28 <[Shaman]> 0.* 21:38:28 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: ok, i think I've implemented utf-8 support on selected languages 21:39:07 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: at least, editing works :) 21:39:13 <peter1138> cool 21:40:36 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: Should I start notifying wannabe russian translators or I should wait a little before that? 21:40:59 <peter1138> yeah, would give me something to test with ;) 21:41:18 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r4817 /trunk/newgrf.c: - NewGRF: allow partial support for parameter retrieval in action D. 21:42:53 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:43:11 <ln-> ??? ????? ??????? ??-?????? 21:43:27 <MiHaMiX> ln-: ? 21:44:00 * ln- ????? ??????? ???????. 21:44:13 <ln-> you aren't using utf-8, let me guess? 21:44:31 <MiHaMiX> ln-: árvíztûrõ tükörfúrógép, a kurva anyád. 21:44:32 <MiHaMiX> :P 21:44:42 <MiHaMiX> ln-: not here, dude, but at WT2 21:45:54 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 21:48:01 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: ok, in this case I'll enable utf-8 on russian 21:48:05 <Born_Acorn> Hackykid! Signal GUI and autocomplete! 21:48:06 <Born_Acorn> REMIND 21:48:35 <Hackykid> hmm, right 21:49:46 <XeryusTC> is it me or are the forums offline? 21:50:22 <ln-> russian is not the only language that benefits from utf-8. 21:50:59 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-162-121.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- State of the art IRC"] 21:53:13 <MiHaMiX> ln-: ukrainian, chinese, almost every eastern-european, etc.. 21:53:41 <MiHaMiX> ln-: but russian is the most important, since they contact me in vast numbers daily :D 21:53:42 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-184-203.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:55:47 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r4818 /trunk/newgrf.c: - NewGRF: add support for reading another GRF file's parameters, and warn if GRF Resource Management is tried. 21:56:26 <peter1138> i guess you can enabled utf-8 on any language that isn't in trunk 21:56:44 <peter1138> whoops, pissing off the missus 21:56:48 <peter1138> tis bed time :( 21:56:55 <Born_Acorn> Get in there! 21:57:39 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: i'm contacting those wannabe translators who are contected me and i had to refuse them due to charset problems 21:58:14 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 21:58:20 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: as soon as they'll respond, I'll create their language and we'll start to test utf8 support in openttd :) 21:59:54 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 22:00:21 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-1544.bb.online.no] has quit ["Bunchie!"] 22:01:13 *** Red168 [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 22:02:18 <peter1138> \o/ 22:02:45 <ln-> what happened to utf-16 support? 22:03:32 <MiHaMiX> ln-: go and get some sleep 22:04:05 <MiHaMiX> ln-: utf-16 was not planned. utf-8 will bemore than enough for us imho 22:04:14 *** Red799 [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:04:20 <glx> ln-: it's ?????? :) (I'm late but it's hard to type russian on a french keyboard) 22:04:21 <ln-> utf-16 was indeed planned and discussed on this channel. 22:04:57 <ln-> back then i asked why not utf-8 instead, and someone said "no-no, utf-16". 22:05:06 <Hackykid> hmm, strange 22:05:29 <Hackykid> iirc there was indeed a discussion about if we should use utf-8 or utf-16 22:05:50 <MiHaMiX> ln-: I can't recall the discussion you mentioned 22:05:52 <Hackykid> i dont remember there being any definite decisions being made 22:06:02 <MiHaMiX> but let me check my irclog 22:06:48 <peter1138> there is no reason to choose utf-16 over utf-8 22:07:01 <ln-> peter1138: i agree. 22:07:07 <Hackykid> yeah, that was what i said back then too :-) 22:07:10 <peter1138> (general) support for utf-8 is better than utf-16 22:07:18 <Kjetil> What about the large Chinese ottd community :P 22:07:24 <peter1138> Darkvater was under the impression that utf-16 supported a wider charset than utf-8 22:07:32 <peter1138> Kjetil: what about them? 22:07:37 <ln-> Kjetil seems to be under that impression, too. 22:07:40 <peter1138> utf-8/utf-16 makes no difference 22:08:00 <Born_Acorn> utf-5.6! 22:08:06 <Kjetil> utf-2 ! 22:08:35 <Kjetil> utf-32 is bigger right ? 22:08:51 <ln-> no 22:09:01 <Hackykid> someone said utf-16 was somehow faster/more efficient, but i didnt really believe that :-) 22:09:16 <Kjetil> then whats the point having different utf stanards then ? 22:09:28 <peter1138> Hackykid: utf-16 can support more characters with less multicharacter sequences 22:09:40 <Hackykid> hmm, yeah, thats true 22:09:41 <MiHaMiX> utf-16 is still not an official standard, still subject to change (afaik) 22:09:51 <peter1138> otoh, if most of your text was plain ascii (like ours) then it's larger 22:10:01 <peter1138> nope 22:10:01 <Hackykid> yeah, of course 22:10:11 <peter1138> utf-8/16 is purely an encoding 22:10:20 <peter1138> they both encode the same unicode data 22:10:40 <MiHaMiX> well, more-or-less devs understood that utf-8 is the way to go 22:10:45 <MiHaMiX> 13:47 <ludde> Tron: I want to make the language.txt files utf-8 22:10:49 <MiHaMiX> 23:36 <peter1138> utf-8 is useful 22:10:51 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [] 22:10:52 <MiHaMiX> 12:44 <TrueLight> ludde: hmmz ,possible.. so basicly, do UTF-8 :) 22:11:02 <peter1138> heh 22:11:23 <peter1138> the question of utf-8 versus utf-16 internally is valid though 22:11:32 <peter1138> i've left everything as utf-8 internally 22:11:40 <peter1138> then it's still char *s everywhere 22:11:43 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has joined #openttd 22:11:51 <peter1138> unfortunately it's slower then just char * 22:11:55 <Bjarni> <Hackykid> someone said utf-16 was somehow faster/more efficient, but i didnt really believe that :-) <-- that was pipian and he failed to make any unicode to work right 22:11:58 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: what should internal utf-16 help? 22:12:04 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: not a lot 22:12:12 <Hackykid> ah, yes, pipian it was indeed 22:12:18 <ln-> yeah, pipian. 22:12:25 <Bjarni> according to pipian, it should help a lot, but he was the only one to believe that 22:12:31 <peter1138> internal ucs-4 (i.e. 32bit values) would be fast but memory inefficient 22:12:31 <MiHaMiX> :) 22:12:53 <Bjarni> but.... ludde? 22:12:55 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: yes, but not everyone having 4G of ram :D 22:13:00 <Bjarni> was he here recently? 22:13:06 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: no, it was an old log 22:13:09 <Hackykid> ucs-4 equals utf-32 i see here 22:13:12 <Bjarni> and do we finally get unicode support now? 22:13:13 <peter1138> Hackykid: pretty much 22:13:17 <Hackykid> interesting :-) 22:13:25 <peter1138> Bjarni: http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8-jp3.png 22:13:37 <ln-> MiHaMiX: i bet "we" don't have 4G of text strings in OTTD even with UCS-4 encoding. 22:14:05 <Hackykid> worst case is just about 4 times the size of the current stuff :-) 22:14:08 <peter1138> problem is, we have a lot of string literals in our code 22:14:11 <Bjarni> peter1138: how long did it take to make that? 22:14:13 <Hackykid> not that bad hehe 22:14:26 <peter1138> so we'd be doing a lot of utf8->ucs4 conversion anyway 22:14:34 <Bjarni> pipian never came so far and he used months 22:14:34 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B84184.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 22:14:34 <peter1138> Bjarni: half an hour with photoshop ;) 22:14:41 <Bjarni> but then again, he didn't use photoshop :p 22:14:52 <Bjarni> damn, you beat me to it :( 22:15:08 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8-6.png 22:15:27 <ln-> pipian had some kind of acceptance for his project from the superior developers. 22:15:53 <peter1138> heh 22:16:17 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:16:17 <Bjarni> ln-: from who? 22:16:32 <Bjarni> I kind of tried to push him into get something to work... that didn't really work 22:16:37 <MiHaMiX> ln-: yes, I know, I just exaggerated. 22:16:37 <guru3> anyway i can get a 2bit int in c? 22:16:38 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/utf8-4.png 22:16:39 <ln-> i don't remember. 22:16:46 <peter1138> ^^ utf8 without freetype support 22:17:14 <peter1138> guru3: in a packed struct, perhaps 22:17:15 <peter1138> hmm 22:17:16 <Bjarni> his code contained a lot of warnings and to make it even funnier, using iconv could do the job better and it would have been faster to code 22:17:18 <peter1138> 2 bit signed int 22:17:23 <peter1138> -2 -1 0 1 22:17:26 <guru3> 2 bit unsigned 22:17:26 <Bjarni> like he did the conversion manually 22:17:28 <guru3> so like 0, 1, 2, 3 22:17:48 <peter1138> Bjarni: um 22:17:50 <peter1138> *hides* 22:17:54 <Hackykid> haha 22:17:59 <peter1138> however 22:18:06 <Bjarni> just the current use of iconv mean that OTTD got better unicode support that his patch 22:18:14 <peter1138> iconv depends on locale and wchar_t and stuff 22:18:23 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:18:25 <peter1138> (or something) 22:18:31 <Bjarni> it can handle UTF-8-MAC when loading/saving. He never made it to do that 22:18:41 <guru3> how do you do packed structs? 22:18:58 <peter1138> fucking macs 22:19:07 <Hackykid> :O 22:19:16 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:19:24 <peter1138> guru3: somestruct { int foo:2; }; 22:19:27 <Bjarni> actually it makes sense when you study why they use wide UTF-8 (aka UTF-8-MAC) 22:19:34 <ln-> peter1138: macs are ok, but saving latin-1 filenames on an otherwise utf-8 linux system isn't that wise either. 22:19:40 <peter1138> heh 22:19:53 <Bjarni> it is used when sorting stuff on the HD and in the end, it produces faster disk access 22:19:55 <ln-> guru3: #pragma pack(1) 22:19:57 <peter1138> Hackykid: anyway, the code i have written is concerned with converting utf8 sequence to ucs4 22:20:00 <Tobin> Morning. 22:20:03 <peter1138> not translating charsets 22:20:07 <Bjarni> it's only used for filenames 22:20:13 <peter1138> for that, i will use iconv 22:20:35 <guru3> ln-: #pragma? 22:20:40 <peter1138> keyboard input needs handling properly 22:20:58 <Bjarni> :( 22:20:59 <peter1138> a pound sign gets entered as in latin-15, so cuts the utf-8 string off 22:21:01 <ln-> guru3: #pragma. ok, maybe you should first define more clearly what do you mean by "packed structs". 22:21:06 <Bjarni> we got native keyboard drivers :/ 22:21:16 *** CobraA3 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:21:17 <peter1138> (my utf-8 code is not tolerant. if it gets a bad sequence it will stop processing a string) 22:21:17 <MiHaMiX> Tobin: morning :D 22:21:18 <guru3> 23:52:50 <@peter1138> guru3: in a packed struct, perhaps 22:21:35 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-234-25.vodafone-net.de] has quit ["muss wech"] 22:22:30 <ln-> peter1138: cool. still that's better than what gtk+ does. it crashes. 22:22:48 <peter1138> ln-: i could make it output '?'s or something for invalid sequences 22:23:19 <peter1138> i didn't want something hacky that relied on broken utf8 sequence to handle control codes, etc... 22:23:34 <Hackykid> hmm, wouldnt it be difficult to redetect at what char a valid sequence started again? 22:23:42 <peter1138> (all our control codes get mapped to the 0xE000 private space) 22:24:09 <peter1138> Hackykid: no, you just keep failing until it is valid 22:24:29 <ln-> Hackykid: i doubt you can trust the validity of string anymore after a broken byte. 22:24:52 <ln-> anyway, in what situations do you expect to encounter broken utf-8? 22:24:54 <Hackykid> hmm, yeah 22:25:06 <peter1138> ln-: when handling latin-15 as utf-8 directly :) 22:25:16 <Hackykid> well.... dont do that then :-) 22:25:28 <peter1138> even our newgrf text handler converts to utf-8, heh 22:25:40 <peter1138> (except where it's utf-8 originally) 22:26:03 <peter1138> that's the vehicle names in utf8-6.png 22:26:14 <peter1138> "?KD KT4" 22:26:40 <ln-> do you have a cyrillic font in ottd? 22:27:02 <peter1138> that's an issue at the moment 22:27:11 <peter1138> you have to find a font with the glyphs you need 22:27:44 <ln-> i can tell you something. 22:28:12 <ln-> i have used a cyrillic patch for ottd, which included suitable glyphs, too. 22:28:22 <peter1138> ln-: uh 22:28:23 <peter1138> font 22:28:29 <peter1138> this uses freetype 22:28:38 <peter1138> (it doesn't have to) 22:28:50 <ln-> well yes, it was not a font in that sense. 22:28:54 <guru3> peter1138: thanks that worked 22:29:08 <peter1138> guru3: you've implemented utf-2? :)O 22:29:20 <guru3> no 22:29:20 <guru3> but 22:29:25 <guru3> i got my 2 bit integer 22:29:27 <peter1138> hehe 22:30:04 <guru3> which makes me happy 22:30:20 <peter1138> ln-: if freetype is disabled, this patch can load sprite glyphs 22:30:45 <peter1138> so it would just be a case of getting those sprites in the right format 22:32:28 <ln-> it might be this one: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/tmp/russian.grf 22:34:40 <peter1138> thanks 22:34:47 <peter1138> i'll see about converting that 22:34:53 <peter1138> (but it's not necessary :)) 22:35:40 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACD70DEB.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 22:37:20 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 22:37:20 * MiHaMiX found 10 emails waiting for WT2 account.. all of them from may, 3rd.. somehow they escaped my attention 22:37:31 <peter1138> hm 22:37:40 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@84.67.229.100] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.0 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 22:37:48 *** CmdKewin [n=cmdkewin@84-74-37-155.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 22:40:36 <ln-> talking of multi-language support... do you think certain stations could have their names listed in more than one language? 22:40:57 <ln-> i mean, that's quite common in some countries, cities have names in two or more official languages. 22:41:01 <peter1138> could be possible 22:46:58 *** CobraA3 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 22:56:22 <Sacro> hmm, i know some dutch - "met verkrachte eenden" 22:57:18 <MiHaMiX> okay folks - it's time to go to sleep :) 22:57:22 <MiHaMiX> good night :) 22:57:35 <Sacro> night MiHaMiX 22:58:20 *** Red71 [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 23:00:03 *** Hallo [n=me@141.24.48.94] has quit [] 23:10:02 *** Red168 [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:21:14 *** valhallasw is now known as valhallazzzw 23:25:32 *** Hackykid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:27:56 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 23:37:47 *** ector-- [n=meloditr@ygun.brg.sgsnet.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:40:36 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-184-203.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- State of the art IRC"]