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It was you wasn't it!?"] 03:01:39 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:23:47 *** Jpl_ is now known as Jpl 03:24:01 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 04:06:34 *** Smoky555 [i=01577rv3@sagitta.internal.vlink.ru] has joined #openttd 04:13:46 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 04:51:00 *** Celestar_ is now known as Celestar 05:01:45 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B372D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:03:12 <Celestar> wow 05:03:19 <Celestar> Hell froze over yesterday 05:04:33 <guru3> sounds like a blast 05:04:37 <Celestar> nah 05:04:53 <Celestar> Dell is going to offer AMD-based products soon 05:05:01 <guru3> ahahahahahaha 05:05:03 <guru3> yes it has 05:05:08 <Celestar> no it WILL 05:05:25 <guru3> good thing i've decided to hate dell 05:05:29 <guru3> not that i've got anything against amd 05:05:34 <guru3> but dell comps have turned kinda shitty 05:06:50 <Celestar> yeah 05:07:07 <Celestar> currenty, they will only offer Opteron-based servers ... 05:07:45 <guru3> :/ 05:10:58 <Celestar> but nonetheless interesting 05:17:37 *** dp__ [n=dp@p54B2D772.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:31:58 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:32:04 <roboman> hello 05:33:41 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2D7F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:33:42 *** dp__ is now known as dp-- 05:33:57 <hylje> Celestar: they got to because opteron servers are wtfowning xeons in server demand 05:34:48 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:37:47 *** Leo_ [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:37:47 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:39:19 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:39:39 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 05:40:07 *** Leo_ is now known as roboman 05:41:31 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has joined #openttd 05:42:02 *** Leo_ [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:42:20 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:44:31 *** Leo__ [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:44:36 *** Leo_ [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:45:05 *** Leo__ is now known as roboman 05:56:45 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:11:45 <peter1138> morning 06:12:30 <roboman> morning 06:12:53 * roboman is getting the latest nightly 06:13:04 <hylje> today is yesterday 06:17:44 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:23:00 <Celestar> morning peter1138 06:23:42 <Celestar> peter1138: hows stuff? 06:24:40 <peter1138> good 06:25:02 <Celestar> good to hear 06:27:14 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #openttd 06:42:22 <Celestar> hylje: yeah, but lets see what Woodcrest can do for Intel 06:49:28 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:56:41 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@145.74.200.166] has joined #openttd 06:57:40 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:58:07 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@145.74.200.166] has left #openttd [] 07:05:35 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:10:26 *** CmdKewin [n=cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has joined #openTTD 07:28:19 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.24.191] has joined #openttd 07:40:51 <Darkvater> morning 07:41:02 *** mode/#openttd [-o Darkvater] by Darkvater 07:41:23 <Aankhen``> Afternoon. 07:41:28 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:43:05 <peter1138> hr 07:43:50 <Darkvater> rh 07:44:34 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:52:30 *** e1ko [n=31k0@147.229.210.68] has joined #openttd 07:53:38 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:01:34 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 08:15:19 *** DozZzzzzZZz [n=PX2II@213-84-79-230.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:24:25 <DozZzzzzZZz> does anyone know how to turn the grid of in TTDX? 08:24:33 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 08:25:42 <Darkvater> yes 08:26:11 <Darkvater> grab your monitor and turn it 90 degrees either clockwise or counter-clockwise according to your tastes 08:28:25 <Celestar> so 08:28:37 <Celestar> morning. 08:29:17 <Celestar> Darkvater: I'm going to look at this AI crash 08:30:46 <peter1138> and i'm looking at mart3p's livery patch 08:30:50 <roboman> or get the gridless grf (i dont know if it works in ottd) 08:31:12 <peter1138> it does 08:32:39 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1380.lns1-c9.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:32:55 <DozZzzzzZZz> Darkvater ur so meaN >:( 08:33:04 *** DozZzzzzZZz is now known as Dos` 08:33:19 <Celestar> Dos`: you mean turn off the grid? 08:33:39 <Dos`> uhh yes 08:34:01 <Dos`> btw i tried making a cirvle of trees wenn holding ctrl but that didnt work as explained 08:34:22 <Dos`> circle^^ 08:34:33 <Celestar> a circle? 08:34:37 <Darkvater> Celestar: kk. I really did not crash for me 08:34:40 <Celestar> I think you can only do a rectangle. 08:34:41 <Darkvater> 'work as explained'? 08:34:48 <Celestar> Darkvater: it asserts 08:34:54 <Darkvater> it doesn't assert 08:35:11 <Darkvater> and btw it CANNOT assert in 0.4.7 since it is stripped of all asserts 08:35:38 <Celestar> Darkvater: it asserts in trunk ... 08:36:01 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 08:36:55 <Darkvater> did not for me in0.4/ branch 08:37:44 <Celestar> huh? 08:37:46 * Celestar goes checking 08:37:53 <Dos`> i have read somnewhere u can make a circle too 08:37:54 <Dos`> :/ 08:38:05 <Darkvater> I am using openTTD 0.4.7 with openSUSE 10.0. This happens with the version I compiled myself as well as with the .deb package (which I converted using alien and then installed with rpm). 08:38:16 <Darkvater> the guy is talking gibberish. 08:38:34 <Darkvater> I presume the deb package is a release one? Without debugging infomration? Then it cannot assert 08:38:58 <Celestar> vici@rivendell:[/home/vici/openttd/branch/0.4]> ./openttd -snull -g ~/Documents/autosave0.sav 08:39:02 <Celestar> MD5 of TRG1R.GRF is ****INCORRECT**** - File Corrupt. 08:39:04 <Celestar> openttd: ai/default/default.c:1804: AiStateBuildDefaultRailBlocks: Assertion `!CmdFailed(r)' failed. 08:39:31 <Darkvater> hmm...why doesn't it for me? 08:39:40 <Darkvater> I had it running for at least 20 _minutes_ 08:39:54 <Darkvater> forgot to shut it down :p 08:40:10 <Celestar> dunno ^^ 08:40:19 <Darkvater> peter1138: I have just thought of something with regards to utf-8 08:40:31 <peter1138> oh? 08:40:42 <Darkvater> how is it handled if I use a normal alphabet and someone else cyrillic which my font doesn't support? 08:41:28 <peter1138> you'll get glyph boxes 08:41:47 <Darkvater> ok 08:41:48 <peter1138> this is why i want to look into fontconfig, if possible 08:41:52 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-528571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:42:28 <peter1138> which can tell us which font has the glyphs 08:42:29 <peter1138> however 08:42:33 <peter1138> it may be 1) slow 08:42:39 <peter1138> and 2) i don't know if it works on windows 08:42:45 <peter1138> and 3) the documentation sucks 08:43:23 * Darkvater votes for boxes 08:43:37 <Dos`> u guys talk alot ^^ 08:43:48 <peter1138> and it's YAD 08:43:49 <Darkvater> you get the same thing in warcraft3 for example when those weird koreans start typing 08:43:57 <Darkvater> and going keke ^_^ 08:44:00 <peter1138> hehe 08:44:02 <Celestar> KEKE ^^ 08:44:10 <Darkvater> ^_^' 08:44:34 <Celestar> ret = DoCommand(c, (p->attr&1) | (p->attr>>4)<<8 | (p->attr>>1&7)<<16, _cur_ai_player->ai.railtype_to_use, flag | DC_AUTO 08:44:37 <Celestar> | DC_NO_WATER | DC_AI_BUILDING, CMD_BUILD_RAILROAD_STATION); 08:44:42 <Celestar> hooray for our readable code 08:45:06 <peter1138> Darkvater: should i allow sprite and freetype glyphs at the same time? 08:45:17 <peter1138> i'm thinking it would be handy for the small font to use sprites 08:45:29 <peter1138> (or we can use small.bdf, heh) 08:45:29 <Darkvater> Dos`: it would be so dull otherwise 08:45:55 <Darkvater> peter1138: you still have the offset issues of the small font 08:45:58 <peter1138> i know 08:46:07 <peter1138> but the whole thing isn't finished ;) 08:46:10 <Darkvater> Celestar: :) the AI has been unmaintained for the last 2 years 08:46:32 <Celestar> Darkvater: any objections to cleaning it up? 08:46:59 <Celestar> at least the one frigging function that is crashing? 08:47:01 <Darkvater> Celestar: imho a waste of time. Just fixing the assertion should be nough 08:47:26 <Celestar> Darkvater: I'm not sure I can fix the assertion without cleaning it up first :P 08:47:44 <peter1138> why shouldn't the AI be maintained? 08:47:56 <peter1138> it's not like there's anything to replace it 08:48:34 <Darkvater> because nobody is maintaining it. gpmi would be nice, but TL gave up on anything else than road so the AI is stuck there 08:49:02 <Darkvater> Celestar: I thought you meant cleaning up the *WHOLE* AI 08:49:04 <peter1138> the new road AI is nothing to do with gpmi, heh 08:49:12 <Celestar> Darkvater: nope. that one function to begin with. 08:49:18 <Celestar> like 08:49:47 <Darkvater> peter1138: if given a choice I'd prefer the gpmi road-ai 08:50:05 <Darkvater> the only one that knows how the new road-ai works is TL and it's dead 08:50:20 <Celestar> if (mode < 2) { if (mode == 0) {} else {} } else if {mode = 2) ..... 08:51:04 <peter1138> Darkvater: it does seem a most people still play with the old ai though 08:51:06 <peter1138> -a 08:51:17 <Celestar> yes, they do 08:51:29 <Dos`> So no way to kill the grid? Or shall i post it as a "Suggestion?" 08:51:51 <peter1138> Dos`: 09:32 < roboman> or get the gridless grf (i dont know if it works in ottd) 08:52:06 <peter1138> Dos`: the grid is part of the terrain graphics 08:52:11 <peter1138> it is not applied separately 08:52:14 <peter1138> removing it is not simple 08:52:33 <peter1138> except -- someone has made a grf file containing replaced terrain graphics without the grid 08:52:34 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1380.lns1-c9.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.0 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 08:52:52 <Dos`> ah , well im not the guy for operating stuff like that before i mess up and keep trowing my PC's trough windows 08:53:28 <peter1138> Dos`: to add it is one line (that is easily removed) in openttd.cfg 08:53:33 <peter1138> it won't mess anything else up 08:53:48 <roboman> get the gridless grf 08:53:57 <peter1138> i didn't realise the school of 'pressing the wrong button will blow it up omg no!!!' still existed 08:54:01 *** e1ko [n=31k0@147.229.210.68] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.1/2006040505]"] 08:54:15 <Celestar> stupid stupid stupid global variables 08:54:23 <peter1138> heh 08:54:31 <peter1138> do what i did for newstations 08:54:37 <peter1138> add variables to a struct... 08:54:41 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E801.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 08:54:45 <peter1138> that struct is used once by a global variable ;p 08:54:53 <peter1138> (admittedly, that was already there anyway) 08:54:58 <Darkvater> peter1138: well, it's logical. only road or also road/rail/air? The old AI still doesn't have any ship support though :p 08:55:23 <peter1138> Darkvater: perhaps we should think about reintegrating gpmi 08:55:34 <peter1138> although the current stuff is totally different 08:55:38 <peter1138> (afaik) 08:55:50 <Darkvater> it's no use 08:56:02 <Darkvater> as far as I know TL won't work on rail/air/ship AI 08:56:15 <Darkvater> or there is work on that with the new-new-gpmi? 08:56:39 <Celestar> peter1138: I think Cmds should not return int32 :S 08:56:39 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181117215.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:57:02 <Celestar> but something like (void *) 08:57:03 *** spiff [n=anders@c-a368e353.05-27-6f736c2.cust.bredband.no] has joined #openttd 08:58:37 <Darkvater> and then? 08:58:43 *** YoG [n=zevele@bzq-88-153-58-230.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #openttd 08:59:13 <Celestar> Darkvater: then the caller need to think what to make of it 08:59:52 <peter1138> hmm 09:00:11 <roboman> i was reading the road map, and noticed some of the things such as different road/rail combinations and signals under bridges were not claimed and said they needed the new map array 09:00:11 <Darkvater> all it needs if it failed or not no? And that alreayd works CmdError() 09:00:12 <peter1138> it's not very often that info needs to be returned 09:00:26 <Darkvater> and the cost of course 09:00:39 <peter1138> refitting returns capacity 09:00:48 <peter1138> but that could actually be separated 09:01:19 <peter1138> or split off 09:01:28 <peter1138> to a function that gui side calls, and the cmd side 09:02:00 <peter1138> Darkvater: anyway, with gpmi, the idea was anyone could write an ai 09:02:06 <peter1138> (well, anyone can, just it has to be in C) 09:02:35 <Darkvater> yes but it needs the hooks into the game 09:02:39 <Darkvater> and that only exists for road atm 09:02:40 <peter1138> yup 09:02:43 <Darkvater> so only road works 09:03:09 <peter1138> i think they got further than that, but i think they also restarted 09:03:52 <Darkvater> donnu, could be. What is happening over at gpmi anyways? Last time I as there only about 3-4 lines were said the whole day 09:04:28 *** Leo_ [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:04:29 *** YoG [n=zevele@bzq-88-153-58-230.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:05:02 <Celestar> Darkvater: for example, clearing a tile puts same town rating modification in some ugly variables 09:06:16 *** YoG [n=zevele@bzq-88-154-163-27.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #openttd 09:11:11 *** YoG [n=zevele@bzq-88-154-163-27.red.bezeqint.net] has left #openttd [] 09:12:54 <Dos`> i cant wait for the diagonal bridges w00t =D 09:15:56 <Darkvater> Celestar: got a file:line for me? :) 09:18:17 <Celestar> I didn't know that the AI does build 6 tile long stations .. 09:18:29 <Celestar> Darkvater: town_cmd.c:324 09:20:57 <peter1138> uh 09:21:04 <peter1138> those aren't actually used anywhere else 09:21:49 <peter1138> oh 09:21:51 <peter1138> except in the ai 09:21:52 <peter1138> o_O 09:22:03 <Celestar> peter1138: yes :S 09:23:25 <zemei> can anyone tell me what the new in the bridge branch? 09:23:29 <zemei> thx 09:24:34 <Celestar> zemei: your question doesn't parse 09:25:14 <Celestar> openttd: station_cmd.c:627: GetAcceptanceAroundTiles: Assertion `w > 0' failed. :o 09:28:17 <Darkvater> :q 09:28:19 <Darkvater> oops 09:28:21 <Dos`> i thi nk he means what is new with the bridges or the new bridge models or something 09:28:23 <Dos`> =/ 09:28:56 <zemei> i think that Dos` thx 09:29:24 <Dos`> well i guess you guys should answer now =P 09:29:37 <Darkvater> yeah it's for the AI to assess what impact its actions will have 09:30:47 <Celestar> zemei: the bridge branches allows arbitrary tiles under bridges, like junctions, signals, tunnel entrances ... 09:31:31 <Celestar> hm ... 09:31:39 <Celestar> the whole AI 09:31:42 <Celestar> SUX 09:32:27 <peter1138> damn it 09:32:33 <peter1138> i'm out of choccy 09:32:43 <Celestar> suxx too 09:33:00 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:36:42 <Darkvater> christooss: 09:36:43 <Darkvater> hmm 09:36:51 <Darkvater> I tabbed 'ch' 09:36:56 * Darkvater slaps himself 09:37:37 <Darkvater> when's richk coming back? 09:37:40 <Darkvater> this weekend? 09:37:44 <SpComb> /msg nickserv help 09:37:58 <Celestar> Darkvater: I hope so, I wanna commit his airports 09:38:01 <hylje> rtfm 09:38:49 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181117215.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 09:39:01 * SpComb is glad he decided to get help instead of identify O_o 09:39:14 <SpComb> I wanted to see if I was identified 09:39:28 <Celestar> hell 09:39:32 <Darkvater> Celestar: doy ou still have omy hotuhg it on it/\ 09:39:36 <Darkvater> eek 09:39:37 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 09:39:43 <Darkvater> do you still have my thoughts on it? 09:39:45 <Celestar> isn't there a single decent NAS box? 09:39:51 <Celestar> Darkvater: no? 09:39:56 <Darkvater> yum, nasi 09:40:14 <Darkvater> Celestar: the one I pm'd you when I assessed the airport patch and the station-filter 09:40:26 <Celestar> Darkvater: that's been a long time ago ^^ 09:40:32 <Darkvater> .. 09:40:41 <peter1138> mailist ;p 09:40:41 <Celestar> and I'm currently sick in bed, operating at 25% 09:40:51 <Darkvater> anyways, do NOT commit it when he gets back 09:40:55 <Darkvater> it needs some fixes first 09:40:59 <Celestar> ok 09:41:01 <Celestar> which are? 09:41:01 * Darkvater wishes Celestar well 09:41:09 <Darkvater> look in your logs :) 09:41:09 <Celestar> thanks ;) 09:41:16 <Celestar> logs? :P 09:41:19 <Darkvater> peter1138: what? :P 09:43:19 <peter1138> bah 09:43:24 <peter1138> why doesn't c# have typedefs, eh? 09:43:31 * Celestar ditches the idea of buying a NAS box 09:43:36 <Darkvater> #define typedef 09:43:38 <Darkvater> ;p 09:43:42 * Celestar 'll put up a server 09:44:39 <Celestar> I'm amazed how they manage to put up a NAS box, with 4 disk RAID0 and get 14MB/sec read performance 09:45:18 <Celestar> when every single disk has about 5 times that performance 09:45:40 <Dos`> zzzzzz installiung Win2003 takes so long 09:45:46 <Celestar> yeah 09:45:50 <Celestar> and it's not worth it 09:45:54 <Celestar> stupid OS 09:45:59 <Dos`> indeed 09:46:03 <Darkvater> vista forever! 09:46:08 <blathijs> Dos`: try rebooting it :-) 09:46:09 <Dos`> my server got crashed in the server center 09:46:19 <Prof_Frink> Darkvater: Is that like Duke Nukem Forever? 09:46:20 <Dos`> i got a sasser virus 09:46:28 * Celestar thinks Vista will be Microsoft's Netburst 09:46:29 <Dos`> i crashed the whole rack ^^ 09:46:32 <Celestar> Dos`: get a real OS 09:46:50 <Dos`> im supposed to use linux? 09:46:54 <Prof_Frink> Yes. 09:46:54 <Celestar> yeah 09:46:57 <Celestar> or Solaris 09:46:58 <Celestar> or BSD 09:47:00 <Darkvater> what's wrong with it? 09:47:09 <tank_> well, i think everything else than windows:) 09:47:27 <Dos`> i really dont like command lines ^^ 09:47:29 <Darkvater> lindows ;p 09:47:34 <Dos`> works me on the nerves 09:47:48 <tank_> Dos`: yeah, but reinstalling must be fun for you?:) 09:47:48 <Celestar> Dos`: linux hasn't been command lines for years now 09:48:02 <Darkvater> tank_: it's graphical ^^ 09:48:10 <tank_> Darkvater: ah i see:) 09:48:23 <Prof_Frink> Hold on, a guy called "DOS" doesn't like the command line? :p 09:48:50 <Dos`> more DDos :p 09:49:00 <Dos`> o wait its booting 09:49:04 <Prof_Frink> That's scary... Distributed DOS... 09:49:36 <Celestar> it takes me < 10 minutes to set up a linux server 09:49:47 <tank_> Celestar: but is isn't graphical! :D 09:49:52 <Dos`> well i should try it i think putting redhat on it 09:49:56 <Prof_Frink> Celestar: Unless it's Gentoo ;) 09:50:03 <Celestar> tank_: it IS 09:50:05 <Dos`> i dont know if the drivers are supposed to work on the other distro's 09:50:06 <Celestar> it's called X 09:50:19 <Celestar> maybe even Xgl 09:50:26 <Celestar> BAH 09:50:30 <tank_> Celestar: i meant the installation 09:50:39 <Celestar> is there any sane reason why we have player.h but players.c 09:50:45 <Dos`> but i got a pause , lol 09:50:45 <Celestar> tank_: the installation is fully graphical as well 09:50:54 <tank_> Celestar: ncurses? or real X? 09:50:58 <Celestar> tank_: X 09:51:06 <tank_> Celestar: hm... lame ;) *run* 09:51:37 <tank_> what distro do you mean btw? 09:51:40 <Celestar> I think that's the only time I have X running on my servers (= 09:51:47 <Celestar> tank_: SLES9 or OpenSuSE 10.1 09:52:07 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:52:31 <Prof_Frink> Bwian! 09:52:47 <blathijs> SLES? 09:53:11 <tank_> suse linux enterprise server i assume 09:53:23 <Celestar> yes blathijs 09:53:32 <Prof_Frink> Does it serve starships? 09:53:40 <Celestar> if you need it to .. 09:54:11 <blathijs> ah 09:54:34 <Brianetta> I got an email from TAUniverse (Total Annihilation fan site) wishing me a happy birthday (: 09:54:40 <Celestar> (= 09:54:46 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82BE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:54:50 <ShadowJK> heh 09:54:52 <Celestar> how about you people hardcore-test the bridge branch? 09:54:56 <ShadowJK> I installed that game again recently 09:55:00 <Brianetta> TA rocks 09:55:02 <Brianetta> so hard 09:55:05 <Brianetta> except for the AI 09:55:19 <Brianetta> especially with the bugfix and rebalance mods 09:55:23 <Celestar> well, can't be worse than the ottd AI 09:55:29 <Brianetta> Celestar: hahahahaha 09:55:33 <Brianetta> It's the sibling 09:55:49 <Brianetta> Factories are built with the exit facing a cliff 09:55:50 <Brianetta> and so on 09:56:39 <Dos`> lol 09:57:59 <ShadowJK> The AI sucks so hard that even I can win against it 09:58:44 <Dos`> they cant build straight too 09:59:08 <ShadowJK> straight? 09:59:16 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:04:07 <CIA-3> peter1138 * r4910 /trunk/ (6 files): - NewGRF: add and initialize cargo subtype for vehicle visual variations 10:04:27 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-528571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:05:05 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B83474.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:07:00 <Dos`> anyone got a solution? 10:07:09 <Dos`> normally i use windows remote desktop to my server 10:07:15 <Dos`> but what if i use linux? 10:07:17 *** roboboy [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:07:31 <KUDr_wrk> vnc? 10:08:02 <Darkvater> NX 10:08:16 <Darkvater> or from linx > windows you use rdesktop 10:08:45 <Dos`> it must be almost the same 10:08:48 <Dos`> like booting etc 10:09:02 <Kjetil> Dos`: what OS is running on your server ? 10:09:49 <Darkvater> win2k3 10:10:16 *** roboboboy [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:11:19 <Kjetil> rdesktop then ? 10:11:51 <Celestar> linux fully supports rdp 10:12:30 <blathijs> yes, quite useful :-) 10:13:05 <blathijs> though rdesktop used to segfault on my amd64 machine, so I ran rdesktop over a remote X connection to a x86 machine 10:13:13 <blathijs> pretty nasty, but it worked ;-) 10:13:13 <Celestar> not sure, can you login ([xkg]dm) using rdp 10:13:38 *** roboboboboy [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:13:59 <Celestar> VNC sucks big time 10:14:03 <Celestar> more so on Windows than on linux 10:14:10 <blathijs> Celestar: you can probably start an x server that logs in automatically and can only start rdesktop? 10:14:23 <Dos`> so if i try to connect to Linux server via Microsofts RMC it just works? 10:14:38 <Celestar> Dos`: you can set that up, yes. 10:14:49 <Celestar> but I didn't try it personally 10:14:55 <Celestar> mostly because I don't touch windows 10:14:55 <blathijs> Celestar: is there also an rdp server for linux then? 10:15:01 <Celestar> blathijs: from what I know, yes 10:15:24 <Darkvater> no you can log in with rdesktop 10:15:39 <Celestar> blathijs: I normally use ssh 10:15:49 <Darkvater> I use it all the time 10:15:58 <Celestar> Darkvater: which direction? 10:16:06 <Darkvater> there is no RDP server on linxu :(I 10:16:07 <blathijs> Celestar: yeah, me too 10:16:10 <Darkvater> which sucks BIG time 10:16:23 <Darkvater> VNC sucks and (FreeNX) is not ideal 10:16:35 <Celestar> Darkvater: there's always ssh -x 10:16:37 <Celestar> -X 10:16:39 <Darkvater> hehe 10:16:48 <Darkvater> indeed...but that doesn't really give you a desktop 10:16:54 <Celestar> Darkvater: it can. 10:16:55 <Darkvater> just seperate apps 10:16:57 <Celestar> "startkde" 10:17:01 <Darkvater> :O 10:17:11 <blathijs> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xrdp <-- linux rdp server 10:17:18 <Celestar> lol @ blathijs 10:17:19 <Darkvater> wow 10:17:21 * Darkvater checks it out 10:17:28 <Darkvater> that would be awesome 10:17:30 <blathijs> looks a little alpha-ish though 10:17:39 <Celestar> y2pmsh is great 10:18:14 <Darkvater> Currently, xrdp uses Xvnc to manage the X session 10:18:17 <Darkvater> hmm 10:18:43 <peter1138> hack 10:18:58 <Darkvater> isn't xnvc VNC? 10:19:25 <peter1138> "Unlike Windows NT/2000/2003 server, xrdp will not display a Windows desktop but an X window desktop to the user" 10:19:28 <peter1138> really! 10:19:46 <Darkvater> 02/06/2006 10:19:46 <Darkvater> I've been working on an Xserver lately and I got some progress to report. I used the sources from Xvnc 1.2.9 from tightvnc.com. I got an Xrdp project started. More to come soon. 10:19:49 <Darkvater> Thanks to IBM, I got xrdp working on 64 bit power processors. 10:19:56 <Celestar> what wrong with NX ? 10:19:56 <Darkvater> hmm I think we can shun this project for a while 10:20:03 <roboboboboy> can you guys answere a general freenode question? my question is how do i request a new password with nickserv 10:20:35 <Darkvater> Celestar: it was really slow for me (slow pc I guess, 1.3GHz not enough) and I couldn't attach it to a local login, I had to start a new one 10:20:51 <Darkvater> althought TrueLight got a true NX account and said that that works a *LOT* better 10:21:29 <Dos`> Does linux require some knowledge from something im supposed to know? 10:21:48 <peter1138> it's called "being a computer geek" 10:21:53 <Celestar> Dos`: any Operating System requires knowledge 10:22:06 <Celestar> did anyone try Xgl yet? 10:22:10 <Kjetil> Dos`: you can use a standard X server connection to get a remote desktop 10:22:12 <peter1138> i did, why? 10:22:23 <Celestar> peter1138: any good? 10:22:29 <peter1138> bit slow 10:22:35 <peter1138> but i've only got a gf2mx 10:22:36 <Kjetil> Dos`: together with Xwin32 10:22:48 <peter1138> also shift-backspace kills it 10:23:02 <peter1138> the effects are fun, but useless 10:23:30 <peter1138> was using compiz, didn't try with xcompmgr 10:24:55 <ledow> Celestar: I tried XGL... fun for about a minute but nothing spectacular - I did it on a serious nVidia card (can't remember which) and did the virtual desktop stuff each... pretty but useless and doesn't give you anything you can't do normally. 10:24:56 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a4161f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:24:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 10:25:55 <Dos`> do you think if i run 2 virtual OS's 1 Redhat 1 windows i can test it? 10:26:11 <Dos`> so im sure that my own server will run Remote? 10:27:49 <Darkvater> vmware server :) 10:27:56 <Darkvater> it's even free 10:29:03 <Dos`> im using Virtual PC 10:29:03 <Dos`> lol 10:29:09 <Dos`> installing redhat now 10:29:16 <peter1138> urgh 10:29:24 <peter1138> redhat-- 10:29:48 <Darkvater> haha 10:29:50 <hylje> :x 10:30:01 <Darkvater> no matter what distro you choose people will always be against one or the other 10:30:06 <hylje> gentoo ! 10:30:08 <peter1138> newgrf "11:27 < Dos`> so im sure that my own server will run Remote? 10:30:09 <peter1138> err 10:30:10 <Darkvater> ugh 10:30:18 * Darkvater slaps hylje 10:30:20 <peter1138> newgrf "hou can i let them wurk can some 1 send me the files to let them make for 0.4.7" 10:30:23 <peter1138> o_ 10:30:26 <peter1138> O 10:30:28 <peter1138> my eye fell off 10:30:36 * Darkvater picks up peter1138 eye 10:30:43 <Darkvater> and sticks it back into place 10:30:44 <Darkvater> o_O 10:30:50 *** Leo_ [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:30:53 <hylje> l2write 10:30:57 <Celestar> tron totally disappeared right? 10:32:02 <Celestar> peter1138: that doesn't really parse 10:32:09 <Darkvater> well he drops in occasionally 10:32:12 <Darkvater> but not much 10:32:16 <Dos`> "You don not have enough ram to run the graphical installer" 10:32:17 <Dos`> lol 10:32:29 <Darkvater> haha 10:32:36 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Connection timed out] 10:32:52 <Darkvater> "how do I get newgrf to work? Can someone send me files to change 0.4.7 so it works?" 10:33:06 <Celestar> "Limitation disturbs me very sprites. Goes it throw out limitation?" 10:33:22 <Darkvater> yes, that is #1 10:33:34 <Darkvater> which reminds me... is 0.5.0 any soon? :) 10:33:37 <hylje> sentence wtfs? 10:33:56 <Celestar> Darkvater: there isn't 0.4.8 yet, right? 10:34:01 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:34:10 <Celestar> 0.5.0 .. what about bridge merge? ;) 10:34:18 <hylje> yes 10:34:30 <Celestar> it needs testing peope 10:34:30 <hylje> merge all shit into .5.0 10:34:32 <Celestar> poeple* 10:34:39 <Celestar> hylje: bridges and YAPF will be merged (= 10:34:47 <Darkvater> save newgrf 10:35:02 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/ottd_features 10:35:21 <peter1138> yeah, what happened to 0.4.8? :P 10:35:34 <hylje> whats the most advanced text-based browser 10:35:37 <Celestar> peter1138: I'm trying to locate one of the last remaining bugs. 10:35:43 <Celestar> hylje: w3m probably? 10:35:51 <hylje> k 10:36:16 <Darkvater> peter1138: he..nothing. Didn't have any time this week to do any merging 10:36:20 * Darkvater hopes for tomorrow 10:36:26 <Darkvater> hylje: notepad 10:36:36 <hylje> no rly 10:36:42 <Celestar> Darkvater: he said browser ... 10:36:46 <Darkvater> oh 10:36:54 <Darkvater> I didn't get that far 10:36:59 <hylje> i think a browser should have at least internet functionality 10:37:05 <peter1138> links2 10:38:40 <Celestar> still 3 bugs left for 0.4.8 10:39:01 <Dos`> whats new in 4.8? 10:39:13 <Darkvater> less bugs 10:39:21 <Dos`> only bugs? 10:39:55 <Bjarni> <Dos`> whats new in 4.8? 10:39:55 <Bjarni> <Dos`> only bugs? 10:39:58 <Bjarni> I hope not 10:40:03 *** Leo_ [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:40:04 <Dos`> me too 10:40:11 <Dos`> useless update then\ 10:40:23 <Bjarni> also it's 0.4.8, not 4.8 10:40:37 <Bjarni> 4.8 will contain a lot of cool stuff compared to 0.4.8 10:40:46 <Dos`> ah 10:40:47 *** roboboy [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Connection timed out] 10:40:49 <Dos`> tell me? 10:40:49 <Bjarni> that is, if we ever got that far 10:40:49 <Dos`> :P 10:41:16 <hylje> bug releases are just as good as feature releases 10:41:19 <Bjarni> I would tell you, but I think your 640k limit will overflow with such a long changelog 10:41:23 <hylje> less bugs makes for better gameplay 10:41:48 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1380.lns1-c9.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:41:51 <Dos`> what are the changes for 4.8? 10:41:57 <Bjarni> ... 10:42:06 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:42:09 <Bjarni> time will tell 10:42:18 <Dos`> i cant wait =D 10:42:29 <Bjarni> you will have to wait say 10 years or so 10:42:39 <hylje> operation CWAL: project OTTD 10:42:41 <Dos`> buu 10:42:52 <Dos`> i want to be beta tester lol 10:43:05 <Bjarni> oh that's easy 10:43:08 <Bjarni> download the nightly build 10:43:15 <Dos`> doesnt work here 10:43:17 <Bjarni> that's a mix of alpha and beta 10:43:19 <Dos`> install says error 10:43:39 <Bjarni> that's the risk of alphas/betas ;) 10:43:50 *** roboboboy [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Connection timed out] 10:43:55 <Dos`> i mean , could be usefull if they put a readme in it 10:45:03 <Darkvater> brb guys lunch 10:45:09 <Darkvater> will answer to all your questions 10:45:10 <roboman> bye 10:45:51 <Celestar> Dos`: 0.4.8 will be a buxfix-release 10:45:54 <Celestar> bugfix* 10:46:52 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-528571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 10:46:56 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176113216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:46:58 <Celestar> openttd: ai/default/default.c:1772: AiStateBuildDefaultRailBlocks: Assertion `!CmdFailed(r)' failed. <= I find this problem to happen rather often ... 10:47:20 <ledow> Celestar: I've had that ever a few times. 10:47:27 <Celestar> ledow: yeah 10:47:31 <ledow> s/ever/error 10:47:40 <Celestar> it's starting to annoy me 10:47:47 <Dos`> just like 4,7 and 4,6? 10:47:49 <Bjarni> what's up with bobingabout? I just posted that you can switch engine headings with control+click and then 5 minutes later he posts "also, CTRL Click a vehicle and see what happens" 10:47:59 <Bjarni> I just said so 10:48:46 <Bjarni> oh, 34 posts away from 1337 posts 10:48:53 <Dos`> lol 10:49:16 <Dos`> i dont really get how to install nightly 10:49:39 <Bjarni> I noticed at one time I had posted 1138 posts and got peterified :s 10:49:39 <Celestar> hm. 10:49:41 <Celestar> guys. 10:49:57 <Celestar> if I abandon a game while fast forwarding, does the title screen appear fast forwarded for you? 10:50:10 *** robotboy [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:50:10 <peter1138> :s 10:50:21 <Bjarni> hopefully not, but I will test now that you mentioned it 10:51:02 <Celestar> because sometimes it does .. 10:51:28 <peter1138> dunno 10:51:34 <peter1138> but that maglev sure comes in fast 10:51:52 <Bjarni> Celestar: well, if I push the FF button, then no, but if I hold down tab while doing so, then yes 10:52:02 <robotboy> celestar if you didnt see what i said about the roadmap on the wiki, i noticed that it had a category that i think you bridge stuff fits under 10:52:15 <Bjarni> if I let go of tab, it will return to normal and nothing happens if I press it again 10:52:27 <Celestar> robotboy: http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/ottd_features <= that is a planned-features list 10:52:50 *** robotman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:53:12 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:53:32 <Dos`> hmm got it working nvm 10:54:44 <ledow> Aw.... 32-bit dates are ages away 10:54:49 <Celestar> robotboy: http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/ottd_features <= that is a planned-features list 10:55:03 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:55:03 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:57:03 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas_Wakes 10:57:14 <peter1138> ledow: well, they don't add much to the game 10:57:23 <peter1138> (and it is a massive change) 10:57:44 <Celestar> Darkvater: peter1138: interesting, that AI crash happens much less frequently in the bridge branch 10:57:48 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:57:53 <Celestar> me->food(); 10:58:00 <ledow> There was a patch on bugs.openttd.com that already did it (although I haven't tested so there may be major problems) 11:00:16 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82BE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:01:54 <Dos`> i would like traffic light in OTTD lol 11:02:00 <Dos`> for road vehicles 11:03:05 <hylje> AI road traffic 11:03:21 <hylje> so that cities produce traffic 11:03:34 <hylje> and discourages freight lines through cities 11:04:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, road traffic is a great idea 11:05:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> but before you need a proper roadbuilding ai for towns... 11:05:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> and initially connected towns 11:05:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> and more realistic town growth 11:05:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> and and and... 11:07:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> how about speed limit in towns? ;) 11:07:13 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:08:53 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:09:15 <roboman> stupid router 11:10:11 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: yeah, 3 km/h in town centres 11:10:14 <Bjarni> *30 11:10:23 <Bjarni> 3 might be a bit slow :p 11:11:03 *** roboboboboy [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Success] 11:11:28 <ledow> Bjarni: More realistic speed if you live near London, though 11:11:30 <roboman> now i just have to stay connected 11:11:47 *** Leo_ [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:11:47 <hylje> * has quit (Success) ? 11:11:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... there must be a lot of map bits free for roads? 11:12:08 *** Leo_ [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:12:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> could be used to store data for AI usage? 11:12:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> or is so much for that reserved for trams? 11:13:55 * Bjarni wonders how the map rewrite goes 11:14:01 *** robotman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:14:43 <hylje> i think towns should get scaled up 11:14:50 <hylje> bigger buildings and so 11:15:17 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:15:42 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 11:15:54 *** Leo_ is now known as robotman 11:17:23 <MiHaMiX> http://haha.nu/2006/05/17/seamless-pictures 11:17:39 <Dred_furst> Hey 11:17:52 <Dred_furst> Can someone help me with compiling TTD? 11:18:34 <Bjarni> get the source 11:18:36 <Bjarni> type make 11:18:43 * Bjarni fails to see the hard part 11:18:48 <Celestar> very very weird 11:18:56 <Tobin> Bjarni: He's probably using Windows. 11:19:21 <Celestar> rofl @ Bjarni 11:19:23 <Dred_furst> Bjarni Im in windows, would i do that with dev-cpp or mingw? 11:19:33 <Celestar> mingw should work 11:19:40 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-528571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:19:41 <Brianetta> Helen is buying an iBook today 11:19:52 <Celestar> ok guys. 11:19:56 <Brianetta> How easy is it to compile OpenTTD on a stock iBook> 11:19:59 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:20:03 <Brianetta> or is it just easier to use the nightlies? 11:22:20 <Bjarni> http://serv2.imagehigh.com/imgs/ih000001/26647_rob_gonsalves_13.jpg <--- awesome pic 11:22:27 <Bjarni> (worksafe) 11:22:40 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #openttd 11:22:49 <Dred_furst> Bjarni how would i compile with devcpp or mingw 11:23:01 *** robotboy [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Connection timed out] 11:23:05 <Bjarni> how should I know? It's windows.... 11:23:15 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/muchai.png <= awesome 11:23:20 <Celestar> Dred_furst: I suggest using mingw 11:23:21 <Tobin> Brianetta: Very easy, just install the developers tools and type make. 11:23:33 <Brianetta> "just install" 11:23:41 <Bjarni> Brianetta: it's pretty simple. Just read the wiki. Basically you inset the OS install CD after you installed the OS (which is pretty easy) and then install Xcode 11:23:42 <Tobin> Brianetta: You wont get some things such as PNG support without installing the relevant libraries though. 11:23:57 <Bjarni> then install fink from http://fink.sourceforge.net 11:24:04 <Brianetta> Well, it's Helen's laptop 11:24:12 <Brianetta> She might be happy with the nightly builds 11:24:13 <Celestar> Darkvater: peter1138 the AI bug is rather miraculous 11:24:18 <Bjarni> then open the terminal and type "fink install svn-client libpng3" 11:24:24 <Brianetta> It's me who's the compile-happy geek anyway (: 11:24:29 <Bjarni> and it's ready to compile after that 11:24:34 <Brianetta> Cool 11:24:39 * Brianetta has this logged 11:24:59 <Tobin> Brianetta: It's pretty much the same as any other UNIX system. 11:25:11 <Bjarni> you will both have svn installed and libpng so you can compile with all features enabled 11:25:35 <Bjarni> yeah. It's gcc 4 and GNU make 11:26:06 <Bjarni> I think they include gcc 4.0.1 when you get the install DVD today 11:26:44 <Celestar> Darkvater: peter1138 game in question does NOT crash on the bridge branch 11:27:26 <Brianetta> Cool 11:27:36 <Bjarni> Brianetta: actually the only thing you need from Xcode is the precompiled gcc (I think), but a full install could be nice. You never know when you are going to need to to compile something else from source 11:27:37 <Brianetta> Does OSX come with a unix xhell? 11:27:46 <Bjarni> yeah 11:27:57 <Bjarni> tcsh, bash and one more I forgot the name on 11:28:05 <Brianetta> Helen's buying it because she likes the Darwin thing 11:28:11 <Bjarni> bash is the default one, but you can select any of the other ones if you like 11:28:39 <Bjarni> you can also install x11, but it's not needed unless you want to use something that needs it 11:29:02 <Bjarni> OTTD got native drivers so you don't need x11. The native drivers tend to be faster 11:29:05 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:29:05 <Brianetta> Can you run Darwin on X? 11:29:37 <Bjarni> err, I'm not really following that question 11:29:44 <Bjarni> OS X can't run without Darwin 11:29:58 <Brianetta> What's the name of the GUI? 11:30:12 <Brianetta> I might be confused, I've never used one 11:30:13 <Bjarni> you can add x11 on top of OS X and reach Darwin from that one if you like 11:30:46 <Brianetta> Well, I might play... if Helen ever lets go of it (: 11:31:05 <Bjarni> good luck 11:31:30 <Bjarni> once you tried OSX, odds are that you will not go back to the stoneage OS you came from 11:31:48 <Brianetta> Linux? 11:32:06 <Brianetta> I dunno, I quite like this OS 11:32:57 <Brianetta> Anyway, we have to go shopping now... 11:32:59 <Brianetta> ... (: (: (: (: (: 11:33:21 <Bjarni> that looks like you are going to buy naughty underwear or something 11:33:25 <Bjarni> with all those smilies 11:34:08 <Bjarni> actually I compared it to windows 11:34:09 <tokai|noir> Bjarni: i have osx, but i wouldn't want to miss MorphOS for it:) 11:34:47 <tokai|noir> osx is slow bloat compared to the simplicity and elegance of morphos:) 11:34:58 <Brianetta> I went form DOS to Linux in 1994 11:35:11 <Brianetta> Windows wsa something I never upraded from 11:35:27 <Bjarni> Brianetta: I wonder if it is wise to buy an iBook now. The G4 CPUs aren't that fast compared to modern standard and they will likely appear with a dual core x86 later this year, making them much faster 11:35:31 <Brianetta> I have never been a Windows user, where Windows is my first OS 11:35:44 <Bjarni> the problem with G5 is power and heat, so they never made it to powerbooks/iBooks 11:35:46 <Brianetta> Bjarni: It's half the price of an iBook Pro 11:35:59 <Bjarni> making the G4 powered iBooks ancient in comparison 11:36:10 * robotman goes downstairs 11:37:07 <Bjarni> it's called a MacBook Pro, but I meant new iBooks will likely arrive later this year as they most likely already stopped producing PPC macs by now 11:37:16 <Brianetta> The G4 is capable fo running Ghost Master, Age of Kings, The Sims, OpenTTD and others of that ilk. Aside from that, it'll be playing DVDs, surfing the net, doing email and the odd document 11:37:30 <Brianetta> Later this year will be too close to the wedding 11:37:30 <hylje> new ibooks are called macbooks :x 11:37:31 <Bjarni> they intend of switch out all PPC macs with x86 macs this year 11:37:54 <Brianetta> I know about the evil x86 move 11:37:59 <Bjarni> no, no iBooks are called MacBook Pro 11:38:09 <Bjarni> it's the powerbooks, that got renamed to MacBook Pro 11:38:21 *** roboman [n=leojbg@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:38:32 <Brianetta> Tumbling prices is something that we live with in IT 11:38:43 <Brianetta> One can *always* wait for abetter price, a faster CPU 11:38:51 <Brianetta> but one might never actually buy anything 11:39:06 <Brianetta> It has Tiger (: 11:39:07 <Bjarni> <Brianetta> I know about the evil x86 move <-- I'm still not sure if it is a good move, but since they are moving.... It's a wise move for laptops though 11:39:25 *** roboman is now known as roboboy 11:39:25 <roboboy> yey my pc is connecting to the wireles network 11:40:09 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-157-87.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 11:40:47 <hylje> Bjarni: ibooks are now macbooks, powerbooks are macbook pros 11:41:55 <Bjarni> hey, they started shipping iBooks/MacBooks with intel CPUs 11:42:01 <Bjarni> I didn't notice before now 11:42:20 <Brianetta> yes 11:42:27 <Brianetta> we've seen them 11:42:31 <Brianetta> but they cost more 11:42:43 <Brianetta> Helen's getting the little G4 model 11:42:49 <Brianetta> It's only 2.2kg 11:43:09 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit ["I'm gone, bye bye :)"] 11:43:14 <Bjarni> I would have to say that a dualcore 1,87 GHz sounds faster than singlecore 1,25 GHz 11:43:27 <Brianetta> Uses more battery, too 11:43:38 * Bjarni wonders why they skipped the 12" model and made all MacBooks 13" 11:43:53 <hylje> bigger, better ? 11:43:54 <Brianetta> OK, gtg now 11:43:57 <Bjarni> you can always disable one core if batterylife is important 11:43:59 <Brianetta> cya later 11:44:36 <Bjarni> hylje: actually they made it 12" to make it smaller and easier to take with you 11:44:44 <Bjarni> also they skipped the 14" one as well 11:46:17 <Bjarni> I wonder how long it takes before the powermac G5s are replaced. It appears that they are next 11:46:28 <Bjarni> because all other macs got x86 today 11:46:59 <Bjarni> I guess it takes some effort to replace a 2*dualcore G5 with anything else 11:47:10 <Bjarni> specially since they tend to run software optimised for G5 11:50:55 *** roboboy [n=leojbg@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:53:14 *** Gibbo [i=Gibbo@host86-142-191-160.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:54:35 *** Gibbo [i=Gibbo@host86-142-191-160.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 11:56:03 <hylje> and possibly because G5s are actually better than most Intel high-end chips 11:57:27 *** roboman [n=leojbg@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:57:39 <Tobin> Bjarni: The Xserves haven't changed yet either. 11:57:44 <Dred_furst> yay my custom stuff is done :)_ 11:58:04 <hylje> i bet Apple wants Opterons inside the workstations and servers 11:58:56 <Tobin> "<Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/muchai.png <= awesome" <-- Oh my the AI is stupid. 11:59:15 <Tobin> I need to get enough free time to try my YAPF based AI route planner idea. 12:00:58 <Tobin> hylje: A lot of people are predicting Mermon for the workstations and servers. 12:01:10 <hylje> yep but it isnt quite out yet 12:01:26 <hylje> merom that is, not mormon ;p 12:01:27 <Tobin> And neither are the workstations and servers. :) 12:01:42 * Tobin is quite happy with his Core Duo iMac 12:02:01 * Tobin is angry about the state of cross platform video conferencing 12:05:18 <Tobin> I mean what's the use of having a built in video camera if there's nothing you can use it for except taking snap shots and short video clips? 12:05:26 * Tobin rants 12:06:05 <Tobin> Now, if everyone else used Macs iChat would over all this nicely but there's not much chance of the great unwashed switching any time soon. 12:06:11 <Tobin> I know you care. 12:06:21 <hylje> no i dont 12:08:05 <CIA-3> celestar * r4911 /trunk/ai/default/default.c: (log message trimmed) 12:08:05 <CIA-3> -Fix (FS#156): The Ai no longer attempts to build signals under bridges. 12:08:05 <CIA-3> NOTE 1: Remove/revert this for the bridge branch 12:08:05 <CIA-3> NOTE 2: Bug displays fundamental flaw in command system: 12:08:05 <CIA-3> If two commands, where command 2 depends on command 1, have 12:08:06 <CIA-3> to be checked, all those checks need to be manual. 12:08:10 <CIA-3> (like in this example, first build rail then build signal. 12:08:13 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit ["Leaving."] 12:08:22 * Tobin re-calibrates hylje's sarcasm detector 12:08:52 <Celestar> one bug down for 0.4.8 12:10:46 <CIA-3> celestar * r4912 /branch/bridge/BUGS: [bridge] Add a TODO to the BUGS file concerning r4911 12:15:02 *** Belugas_Wakes is now known as Belugas 12:21:18 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 12:22:50 *** [Hallo] [n=me@141.24.45.251] has joined #openttd 12:34:07 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:36:22 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181117215.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:42:12 <Dos`> zzzzzz 12:43:46 * roboman gets the latest nightly 12:44:59 <spiff> when's 0.6 due? 12:45:07 <peter1138> 2014 12:45:10 <hylje> what about .7 ? 12:45:10 <spiff> (approx) 12:45:16 <peter1138> 2020 12:45:24 <spiff> okay. 12:45:29 <Tobin> peter1138: Which month? :) 12:46:00 <roboman> whabout .5 12:46:14 <hylje> .4 ? 12:46:29 <spiff> smarch 2020 then 12:47:36 <roboman> my ttdp save game crashes emediately once i unpause it, and i think its because im using ttdp newstations and im trying to open it in 0.4.7 12:47:55 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-4716.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 12:48:24 <Tobin> roboman: Absolutely no guarantee of compatibility with ttdp games. 12:48:33 <roboman> yeah 12:49:41 *** Biff [n=biff@30.80-203-176.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 12:49:59 <roboman> although ive seen people do it 12:49:59 <roboman> im going to try it with the latest nightly 12:50:49 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:51:08 <Celestar> roboman: ask peter1138 :) 12:51:29 <peter1138> anything like newstations should be ignored 12:51:35 <peter1138> but there could be other incompatibilities 12:53:32 <Dos`> i found out a new way to climb a hill 12:54:02 <roboman> yeah 12:55:20 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:56:29 <Dos`> lol 12:56:40 *** robotman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:56:44 <Dos`> my train wagons keep disapering wenn i build on a ramp 12:56:47 <Dos`> and above that 12:56:48 <Dos`> a bridge 12:57:27 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 12:58:36 <roboman> train lord is anoying and stupid 12:59:17 <peter1138> another maley1234 12:59:19 <peter1138> er 12:59:21 <peter1138> -4 :) 12:59:32 <Dos`> i try taking a SS lol 12:59:53 <Dos`> aww cant upload anything 13:01:25 <roboman> the nightly just says it performed an ilegal operation with my savegame 13:01:32 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 13:04:46 *** TheMask96 [i=martijn@sirius-r4.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:10:27 <Celestar> people. 13:11:46 <Celestar> if any of you want arbitary tiles under bridges anytime soon, you ought to test out that branch 13:13:11 <Celestar> hm .. 13:13:21 <Celestar> since revision 4000, both peter1138 and I have 191 commits 13:14:16 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E801.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:15:37 <Dos`> rev4000? 13:15:38 <glx> Celestar: in your latest bridge commit : "Reallow the AI to build bridge under bridges" 13:15:43 <Celestar> glx: ... 13:15:50 <glx> I think it's signal under bridge 13:16:47 <CIA-3> celestar * r4913 /branch/bridge/BUGS: [bridge] Fix typo in last commit (glx) 13:16:56 <Celestar> that puts me ahead of peter1138 ^^ 13:17:15 <Dos`> where u get r413? 13:17:19 <Dos`> errr 13:17:22 <Dos`> 4913 13:17:23 <Dos`> ^^ 13:17:34 <Celestar> svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/ 13:17:45 <glx> that too general 13:17:49 <Celestar> or use $SVN_TOOL_OF_CHOICE 13:17:57 <glx> he will get all svn repo 13:18:22 <Celestar> checkout svn://svn.openttd.org by doing $AS_SPECIFIED_IN_MANUAL_OF_SVN_TOOL_OF_CHOICE 13:18:33 <Celestar> glx: true 13:18:40 <peter1138> ahread of me? 13:18:46 <Celestar> peter1138: 191 commits 13:18:50 <Celestar> Celestar: 191 commits 13:18:51 <peter1138> ah 13:18:53 <Celestar> 192* 13:18:56 <Celestar> since rev 4000 13:19:02 <peter1138> :D 13:19:27 <Celestar> Darkvater still leads in commits in 2006 (= 13:19:36 <Darkvater> yeah, right 13:19:49 <peter1138> but he's retired! 13:20:06 <Darkvater> hmm, perhaps because of all the backport-commits 13:20:11 <Celestar> ^^ 13:20:12 <Darkvater> but those don't really count imho 13:20:18 <Celestar> lo 13:20:19 <Celestar> l 13:20:40 <Darkvater> 15:17 < Celestar> svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/ < better add trunk/ after that 13:20:41 <Celestar> hm .. 13:20:46 <Darkvater> or you'll get a shitload of stuff 13:20:51 <Celestar> how to fix the last two outstanding bugs for 0.4.8 13:21:01 <glx> talking of backport, maybe r4906 should go in 0.4 branch 13:21:29 <Celestar> yeah 13:22:44 *** Smoky555 [i=01577rv3@sagitta.internal.vlink.ru] has left #openttd [] 13:25:07 <Celestar> Darkvater: "uniq -c" doesn't really have an idea about which commits count and which don't :P 13:25:15 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:26:27 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:26:28 <Darkvater> :P 13:30:00 *** Boes [n=SerriaRo@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 13:35:02 <glx> hmm FS#180 is fixed for ship I think 13:35:42 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:36:33 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #openttd 13:37:18 <Celestar> 180? 13:37:34 <glx> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/180 13:37:52 <Celestar> it IS repaired for ships 13:38:33 <roboman> is anyone oing to fix the train lockup that happens in the start screen 13:39:02 <glx> the bad design network? 13:41:20 *** Dos` [n=PX2II@213-84-79-230.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:42:17 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-198-54.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:42:54 <Sacro> afternoon all 13:43:35 *** Boes [n=SerriaRo@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [] 13:44:35 <CIA-3> celestar * r4914 /trunk/aircraft_cmd.c: -Fix (FS#180) Aircraft can now serve as feeders 13:46:28 <Celestar> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/181 <= this isn't a bug, is it? 13:47:16 <glx> don't know 13:47:22 <Celestar> it's intended 13:47:27 <Celestar> it has been since the days of TT 13:48:01 <glx> but if the AI doesn't lose rating by terraforming, it could be considered as a bug 13:48:30 <Biff> well, if ai had lost rating it couldnt build any stations 13:48:40 <Celestar> no, because a flag , DC_NO_TOWN_RATING is explicitly used, glx 13:48:49 <Biff> probably a workaround for a not so intelligent ai 13:49:09 <peter1138> the chances of the AI *not* losing its rating? 13:49:28 <glx> Biff: right, the AI does a lot of stupid things before building something useful :) 13:49:41 <Biff> indeed :P 13:49:42 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["And he disappears, like a fox, in the night."] 13:50:41 <Celestar> hmm... 13:51:25 <glx> Celestar: so not a bug then :) 13:52:33 <hylje> why AI doesnt just terraform the world flat 13:52:37 <hylje> its much easier that way 13:53:07 <Celestar> BAAH 13:53:17 <Celestar> MiHaMiX: Flyspray has problems on KHTML 13:53:35 * roboman bed 13:53:49 *** roboman [n=leojbg@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["bedtime"] 14:03:10 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 14:05:41 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [K-lined] 14:08:02 <Celestar> hm 14:08:11 <Celestar> jmp_ghli: Whatis HDMI 14:09:16 <Bjarni> that's not how it works 14:09:20 <Bjarni> !whatis HDMI 14:09:23 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> No match. 14:09:30 <Bjarni> that's how it works :p 14:09:54 <Bjarni> "No match" is the reply I tend to get most often 14:09:55 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3FE6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:11:40 <Sacro> Bjarni: High Definition Multimedia Interface 14:12:26 <peter1138> !whatis Got a light? 14:12:27 <valhallasw> HDMI :R 14:12:28 <jmp_ghli> >peter1138> No match. 14:12:32 <peter1138> hurr hurr 14:12:36 <valhallasw> :D 14:13:14 <Celestar> I mean why do I want HDMI? 14:13:23 <Bjarni> good question 14:13:35 <Bjarni> !whatis HDMI 14:13:37 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> No match. 14:13:39 <Belugas> Society of consumers : MUST BUY!!! 14:13:42 <Bjarni> I still don't know 14:14:06 <valhallasw> Celestar: because it allows full-HDTV display 14:14:10 <valhallasw> aka 1080p-data 14:14:25 <Celestar> valhallasw: DVI allows that at well? 14:14:36 <valhallasw> but DVI has no copy protection 14:14:38 <glx> Celestar: DVI doesn't have DRM 14:14:41 <Bjarni> ahh, some high definition TV signal, right? 14:14:47 <Celestar> so I do not want HDMI 14:14:53 <valhallasw> you do 14:14:58 <valhallasw> as content will be DRM'ed 14:15:06 <Celestar> I do not want any DRM-supporting shit 14:15:22 <Celestar> and I will not buy such Nazi-Devices 14:15:33 <valhallasw> :D 14:17:07 <Celestar> I'm only using RPC1 DVD players for example 14:17:22 <Bjarni> RPC1? 14:17:29 <Bjarni> is that code for region free? 14:17:33 <Celestar> yes 14:18:24 <Prof_Frink> Celestar: You want one of those HDMI-enabled boxes that outputs non-DRM'd signal then 14:18:26 <Bjarni> I learned the other day that the DVDs that are recorded those DVD-recorders for TV produce area codes on them 14:18:38 <Celestar> Prof_Frink: where to get those? 14:18:47 <Celestar> Bjarni: ? 14:18:53 <Bjarni> hey, if I record something myself, why copy protect it so I can't send it to family overseas? 14:19:02 <Prof_Frink> Not sure, but I know they exist 14:19:25 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B77A77.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:19:36 <Bjarni> instead of VCR, you can record on DVDs today. When you do that, they will add area code to the DVDs, so you can't just give it to everybody 14:19:48 <Celestar> Bjarni: you can make region-free DVDs 14:20:07 * Prof_Frink wants a MythTV setup 14:20:22 <Darkvater> you can already buy deDRM-boxes that strip any cp stuff from the signal 14:20:33 <Darkvater> unfortunately it's still quite expensive ~0 14:20:48 <Bjarni> most likely, but I know now that at least some of them adds that stupid region code to the DVDs 14:20:52 <Celestar> Darkvater: any link? 14:21:16 *** Eddi [i=johekr@p54B77A77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:21:32 <Darkvater> natm 14:21:40 <Darkvater> will try to look for it at home 14:21:50 <Darkvater> this whole region coding is bullshit 14:22:00 <Bjarni> yeah 14:22:07 <Bjarni> specially since it's so easy to break 14:22:25 <Sacro> so no region locked versions of OpenTTD then 14:23:46 <Celestar> this planet fucking sucks 14:24:25 <Prof_Frink> Yep, Newton was wrong. 14:24:25 <Prof_Frink> There is no gravity, the planet just sucks. 14:25:43 * valhallasw suggest regions earth, mars, venus, etc to the MPAA 14:25:44 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:25:52 <Bjarni> why? 14:26:04 <Bjarni> to harm space faring people like me? 14:26:10 <valhallasw> yes. 14:26:23 <Bjarni> that's just plain stupid 14:26:26 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:26:43 <Bjarni> 1: I got the computer power to break all copy protection 14:26:48 <Celestar> the MPAA and RIAA is nothing but a bunch of fucktards who really need a life 14:26:59 <Bjarni> 2: I would just make an orbital bombardment if they upset me too much 14:27:12 <valhallasw> Bjarni: why don't you right now? 14:27:24 <glx> even the artists disagree with MPAA and RIAA decisions 14:27:25 <valhallasw> that would mean you would damage yourself 14:27:37 <valhallasw> which would mean that... YOU WORK AT THE MPAA! 14:27:52 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: I just travel forwards in time until the copyright expires, then come back with public-domain copies. Simple. 14:28:16 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E95E.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:30:40 <valhallasw> Prof_Frink: If that would work, why take the time to travel through time? 14:30:56 <valhallasw> Or are you gonna get a signed letter that states 'x is public domain'? 14:30:57 <Darkvater> I bought a Sony DVD player and could just unlock it with a simple code from the remote 14:31:02 <Darkvater> thise whole RPC is a joke 14:31:13 <valhallasw> yep. 14:32:21 <Sacro> i like the fact that the law in the UK says all dvd players must be marked with a region code on the box, but nowhere does it say you have to inform the dvd player 14:35:33 <SpComb> hmm 14:39:02 <peter1138> region codes as part of law? 14:39:11 <peter1138> i find that dubious 14:42:05 <Bjarni> Sacro: now that's a nice law 14:44:26 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACBCE476.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 14:44:45 <Born_Acorn> Anyone! Bake me a cake! 14:45:49 <Bjarni> why? 14:46:34 <Bjarni> if I bake a cake for you and send it to you with snailmail, then the snail will have multiplied and all the snails will have eaten the cake before arrival 14:46:44 <Bjarni> so I don't see the point 14:47:58 * valhallasw overclocks Bjarni's snails 14:48:03 <valhallasw> that should help. 14:48:20 <Belugas> With garlic... snails and garilc :) miam! 14:48:44 <valhallasw> O_o 14:49:21 <hylje> salt snails 14:49:38 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-208-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:50:11 <SpComb> send it over pailmail 14:50:16 <SpComb> pails don't eat cake 14:50:16 <Celestar> Born_Acorn: go test the bridge branch 14:50:46 <Belugas> !whatis pail 14:50:48 <jmp_ghli> >Belugas> Pail \Pail\ (pl), n. A vessel of wood or tin, etc., usually cylindrical and having a bail, -- used esp. for carrying liquids, as water or milk, etc.; a bucket. It may, or may not, have a cover. --Shak. pail n 1: a roughly cylindrical that is vessel open at the top 2: the quantity contained in a pail 14:51:01 <Belugas> right 14:51:23 <SpComb> a bucket, in other words 14:51:39 <Celestar> !whatis Bjarni 14:51:41 <jmp_ghli> >Celestar> No match. 14:51:47 <Bjarni> right 14:52:02 <Bjarni> !whatis Celestar 14:52:04 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> No match. 14:52:12 <SpComb> !whatis open 14:52:21 <Belugas> !whatis whatis 14:52:21 <Darkvater> closed 14:52:23 <jmp_ghli> >Belugas> whatis <tool> 1. A command which searches for a given string in the headings of all pages. 2. A command which searches the for a given string, with case being ignored. (1995-11-12) 14:52:24 <SpComb> doesn't like me :( 14:52:27 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729D4.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:52:27 <Belugas> :) 14:52:32 <Bjarni> !whatis OpenTTD 14:52:34 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> No match. 14:52:36 <Darkvater> SpComb: you are not registered 14:52:37 <glx> SpComb: you are not registered :) 14:52:38 <Darkvater> :O 14:52:40 <SpComb> I so am 14:52:44 <Darkvater> somebody add openttd! 14:53:12 <SpComb> I am registered! 14:53:18 <SpComb> I so am! 14:53:20 <glx> not for jmp_ghli 14:53:23 <SpComb> huh 14:53:26 <SpComb> you should have said so 14:53:32 <glx> !reg 14:53:34 <jmp_ghli> >glx> Regisztracio magyarul: http://user.peticio.hu/igor2/projects/jmp/jmpreg.html | registration in english: http://user.peticio.hu/igor2/projects/jmp/jmpreg_en.html 14:53:51 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3FE6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:53:52 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3FE6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:54:23 <Darkvater> Celestar: ^ 14:54:34 <Darkvater> oh, he wait, nvm 14:54:36 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> somebody add openttd! <-- I just mailed igor2 about it. He coded jmp_ghli in the first place 14:54:50 <Celestar> it's a frontend to whatis.com ... 14:54:52 <Celestar> I g2g 14:55:06 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E7DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:55:49 <Darkvater> me too, bb later tonight 14:55:51 <Darkvater> cheers 14:55:58 <Bjarni> !whatis OpenTTD - News 14:56:00 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> No match. 14:56:05 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B82BE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:57:33 <Bjarni> !whatis OS X 14:57:35 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> No match. 14:57:40 <Bjarni> !whatis OSX 14:57:42 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> osfosgosioslosmosnosoosposross osiosp 14:57:46 <Bjarni> o_O 14:58:06 <Bjarni> !whatis windows 14:58:08 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Windows <operating system> See , . (1997-11-23) 14:58:13 <hylje> !whatis gentoo 14:58:22 <Bjarni> !whatis OS 14:58:24 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> O \O\ (), n.; pl. or (z). 1. The letter O, or its sound. "Mouthing out his hollow oes and aes." --Tennyson. | 2. Something shaped like the letter O; a circle or oval. "This wooden O ". --Shak. | 3. A cipher; zero. |Thou art an O without a figure. --Shak. Os \Os\, n. (Chem.) The chemical symbol for the element . Os \Os\, n.; pl. . A bone. Os \Os\, n.; pl. . A mouth; an opening; an entrance. Os \Os\, n.; pl. . (Geol.) One 14:58:44 <glx> !uncy windows 14:58:50 <jmp_ghli> >glx> [7/31] "Just because we can build a computer that can run for 100 years doesn't mean we should," Steve Ballmer observed. "I mean, look—it almost fucking killed the light bulb industry." 14:59:07 <glx> !uncy windows 8 14:59:11 <jmp_ghli> >glx> [8/31] "True," Bill Gates replied. "But these aren't lightbulbs. The market will dry up and people will sue if we engineer computers that burn out after 1000 hours." 14:59:47 <Bjarni> !uncy windows 9 14:59:51 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> [9/31] It was Rowland Hanson, the head of marketing at Microsoft, who inadvertently hit upon the answer when he pondered aloud. 15:00:03 <Bjarni> !uncy windows 10 15:00:07 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> [10/31] "It's too bad we couldn't make people so irritated that they'd throw their computers out of their windows," he mused. "It'd be their own fault, and they'd have to buy a new unit complete with software once they came back to their senses." 15:00:28 <Bjarni> !uncy windows 11 15:00:31 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> [11/31] Without so much as another word spoken, it was understood by the whole room that Microsoft would begin the process of systematically removing all the improvements it had made to QDOS, the "Quick and Dirty Operating System" it had purchased from Seattle Computer Products in 1980 for . 15:00:41 <XeryusTC> is the mitsubitchi (or something) thing in there? 15:01:02 <Bjarni> !whatis car 15:01:04 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Gauge \Gauge\, n. 1. A measure; a standard of measure; an instrument to determine dimensions, distance, or capacity; a standard. |This plate must be a gauge to file your worm and groove to equal breadth by. --Moxon. |There is not in our hands any fixed gauge of minds. --I. Taylor. | 2. Measure; dimensions; estimate. |The gauge and dimensions of misery, depression, and contempt. --Burke. | 3. (Mach. & Manuf.) Any instrument for a 15:01:22 <Bjarni> !whatis mitsubitchi 15:01:23 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> No match. 15:01:25 <glx> hmm whatis looks broken 15:01:38 <Bjarni> you don't say 15:01:41 <Bjarni> !whatis gauge 15:01:43 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Gauge \Gauge\ (gj), v. t. 1. To measure or determine with a gauge. | 2. To measure or to ascertain the contents or the capacity of, as of a pipe, barrel, or keg. | 3. (Mech.) To measure the dimensions of, or to test the accuracy of the form of, as of a part of a gunlock. |The vanes nicely gauged on each side. --Derham. | 4. To draw into equidistant gathers by running a thread through it, as cloth or a garment. | 5. To measure 15:02:01 <Bjarni> !whatis railroad 15:02:03 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Railroad \Rail"road`\ (rl"rd`), Railway \Rail"way`\ (rl"w`), n. 1. A road or way consisting of one or more parallel series of iron or steel rails, patterned and adjusted to be tracks for the wheels of vehicles, and suitably supported on a bed or substructure. | Note: The modern railroad is a development and adaptation of the older tramway. | 2. The road, track, etc., with all the lands, buildings, rolling stock, franchises, etc., 15:02:04 <XeryusTC> !whatis mitsubishi 15:02:26 <glx> !whatis mitsubishi 15:02:28 <jmp_ghli> >glx> No match. 15:02:30 <XeryusTC> hmm 15:02:39 <peter1138> whatis spam 15:02:40 <Bjarni> !whatis stupidity 15:02:42 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Stupidity \Stu*pid"i*ty\, n. 1. The quality or state of being stupid; extreme dullness of perception or understanding; insensibility; sluggishness. | 2. Stupor; astonishment; stupefaction. |A stupidity Past admiration strikes me, joined with fear. --Chapman. stupidity n 1: a poor ability to understand or to profit from experience 2: a stupid mistake 109 Moby Thesaurus words for "stupidity": absurdity, absurdness, act of foll 15:02:49 <peter1138> Tron: hello 15:02:51 <XeryusTC> seems like that igor2 still didn't accept my registration :( 15:02:53 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B82BE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Don't give me logic, give me emotions!"] 15:02:57 <Bjarni> !whatis spam 15:02:59 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Spam n 1: a canned meat made largely from pork 2: unwanted e-mail (usually of a commercial nature sent out in bulk) v : send unwanted or junk e-mail SPAM Send Phenomenal Amounts of Mail (Usenet, EMP, telecommunication-slang) SPAM Spiced Pork and hAM (Usenet, EMP) spam vt.,vi.,n. 1. To crash a program by overrunning a fixed-size buffer with excessively large input data. See also , , . 2. To cause a newsgroup to be flooded wi 15:03:16 <Bjarni> !whatis forum 15:03:18 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Forum \Fo"rum\, n.; pl. E. , L. . 1. A market place or public place in Rome, where causes were judicially tried, and orations delivered to the people. | 2. A tribunal; a court; an assembly empowered to hear and decide causes. |He was . . . more eminent in the senate than in the forum. --Brougham. forum n 1: a public meeting or assembly for open discussion 2: a public facility to meet for open discussion 3: a place of assembly 15:03:42 <Bjarni> !whatis peter 15:03:45 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Peter \Pet"er\ (p"tr), v. i. To become depleted; to run out; to fail; -- used generally with out; as, that mine has petered out. Peter \Pe"ter\ (p"tr), prop. n. A common baptismal name for a man. The name of one of the twelve apostles of Christ. | , a fishing boat, sharp at both ends, originally of the Baltic Sea, but now common in certain English rivers.| , the auctioneer in a mock auction. | , or . (a) An annual tax or trib 15:03:47 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*i=rezso@*.catv.broadband.hu] by peter1138 15:04:02 <XeryusTC> lol 15:04:19 <Bjarni> lol 15:04:30 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54946FC0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:43 <hylje> lol 15:04:48 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*i=rezso@*.catv.broadband.hu] by Bjarni 15:04:54 <Bjarni> !whatis ban 15:04:56 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Ban \Ban\, v. t. 1. To curse; to invoke evil upon. --Sir W. Scott. | 2. To forbid; to interdict. --Byron. Ban \Ban\ (bn), n. A kind of fine muslin, made in the East Indies from the fiber of the banana leaf stalks. Ban \Ban\ (bn), n. 1. A public proclamation or edict; a public order or notice, mandatory or prohibitory; a summons by public proclamation. | 2. (Feudal & Mil.) A calling together of the king's (esp. the French kin 15:05:11 <Celestar> er ... 15:05:12 <Bjarni> see, it learned that 15:05:42 * MiHaMiX waves goodbye for the weekend 15:05:50 <MiHaMiX> bye, will be back at late sunday 15:05:58 <XeryusTC> cya MiHaMiX 15:06:05 <Bjarni> bye MiHaMiX 15:06:09 <XeryusTC> !uncy windows 15:06:18 <Bjarni> !uncy windows 15:06:22 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> [2/31] "That crafty Mr. Gates. I was having fun rogering people up the arse long before he went and patented it." ~ Oscar Wilde on Windows 15:06:30 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E95E.pool.t-online.hu] has quit ["Leaving."] 15:06:54 <Bjarni> !reg 15:06:56 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Regisztracio magyarul: http://user.peticio.hu/igor2/projects/jmp/jmpreg.html | registration in english: http://user.peticio.hu/igor2/projects/jmp/jmpreg_en.html 15:06:59 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: you need to do that 15:07:04 <Bjarni> first 15:07:04 <Celestar> great 15:07:13 <Bjarni> I know 15:07:17 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: i just did it (again) 15:07:17 <Celestar> the fucktards in our government raised the taxes again 15:07:37 * Celestar accelerates plans for emigration 15:07:40 <Bjarni> to what? 15:07:47 <glx> I've heard that 15:07:49 <XeryusTC> Celestar: play dead for a year, it will help you save money ;) 15:08:21 <Bjarni> what is the new tax level in Germany? 15:08:21 <Celestar> there are like two countries in the EU that really suck :S 15:08:28 <Bjarni> ? 15:08:36 <Bjarni> only two? 15:08:40 <Celestar> Bjarni: overall? something close to 70% of an average employee 15:08:44 <Celestar> Bjarni: Germany and France 15:09:10 *** Magus_X [i=t7DS@201-34-81-43.paebv700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 15:09:10 <Bjarni> what about the remaining 20, that also sucks? 15:09:17 <Celestar> I didn't say that 15:09:18 <Magus_X> hey 15:09:22 <Magus_X> how the waypoints works? 15:09:32 <Bjarni> you make trains head for them 15:09:39 <Bjarni> just like stations 15:09:50 <Magus_X> hm.... 15:09:50 <Bjarni> but they will not stop, just pass through 15:09:53 <Celestar> I 15:09:57 <Magus_X> ok but 15:10:01 <Magus_X> whats the function? 15:10:04 <Celestar> I'm not at all fond of the socialistic fucking around ... :S 15:10:05 <Magus_X> what it does? 15:10:10 <Bjarni> so you can order the trains to pass through certain tiles 15:10:34 <Magus_X> it is like signals? 15:10:40 <XeryusTC> Celestar: your taxes are calculated based upon your salary in the netherlands :) 15:10:45 <Belugas> Celestar : don't emigrate in Canada if you don't like high taxs 15:11:07 <Celestar> taxes in Canada are laughably low compared to Germany 15:11:20 <Bjarni> most likely 15:11:30 <Celestar> plus the TV programme sucks. 15:11:39 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-157-87.vodafone-net.de] has quit ["muss wech"] 15:11:46 <Celestar> it's friday afternoon and the best show in about 40 channels in Knight Rider :S 15:11:50 <Bjarni> you mean the German sync speech thing? 15:12:35 <Celestar> XeryusTC: here too. 15:12:49 <Celestar> ok lets see... 15:13:23 <Bjarni> ok, right now I can see some child something ( don't know wtf is is), news and friends 15:13:33 <Belugas> same difference with salaries, Celestar 15:13:37 <XeryusTC> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25230 rofl 15:13:52 <Bjarni> so I'm not watching TV 15:13:56 <Celestar> I see about 48% of what my employer pays. 15:14:20 <Belugas> Mmmm... quite the same here :( 15:14:27 <Celestar> and of what I spend, I pay 19% on most goods 15:14:39 <Celestar> 48+19 == 76 15:14:41 <Celestar> 67* 15:14:48 <Belugas> 19% ?? I win : 15.02% 15:15:55 <glx> 19.6% in france 15:16:10 <XeryusTC> i don't get payed at all :( 15:16:19 <glx> or 5.5% depends on product category 15:16:22 <Celestar> I pay 200 EUR extra tax on fuel per month 15:16:30 <peter1138> hmm 15:16:54 <XeryusTC> hmm, could someone donate 35 euro every year to me? 15:17:05 <Bjarni> depending on how much you earn, you can pay up to 68% income tax in Denmark and then we got 25% vat on everything 15:17:10 * XeryusTC wants to register www.xeryus.tc :) 15:17:42 <XeryusTC> heh, you can pay up to 51% income tax in the netherlands 15:18:02 <XeryusTC> but you pay about 1000-2000 euro anyways for insurances and stuff like that 15:20:30 <Celestar> well. 15:20:44 <Celestar> I don't make a lot, so I pay about 30% income tax 15:20:58 <Bjarni> Celestar: I know how you can save on your taxes 15:21:03 <Bjarni> it's pretty simple 15:21:08 <Bjarni> move to Thailand 15:21:09 <Celestar> plus about 1500 EUR for insurances and stuff, which I consider taxes as well. 15:21:13 <Bjarni> they don't have income tax at all 15:21:26 <Celestar> no need to move that far 15:21:31 <Celestar> Switzerland is enough 15:21:36 <glx> hmm but they don't have real income too 15:21:52 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has joined #openttd 15:22:05 <Bjarni> Isle of Man is a nice place as well (from a tax paying point of view) 15:22:22 <Bjarni> but there is one thing I always wondered 15:22:30 <Bjarni> where is Isle of Woman? 15:22:31 <XeryusTC> the best thing to do to get rid of taxes is to mark yourself as death 15:22:41 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:22:46 <Bjarni> and is that some amazon island? 15:23:00 <Celestar> it's called Isle Of Wight :P 15:23:03 <peter1138> XeryusTC: get a scythe and a hooded jacket? 15:23:19 <Magus_X> hey... anyone know a good site 15:23:25 <Magus_X> for download of scenarios 15:23:28 <Celestar> www.sex.com? 15:23:30 <Celestar> oh 15:23:33 <Celestar> dunno 15:23:34 <Magus_X> LOL 15:23:51 <Bjarni> domain names can be so expensive 15:23:53 <XeryusTC> peter1138: i guess that he also payes taxes :P 15:24:12 <Bjarni> I'm told that www.sex.tv costs a million US dollars a year 15:24:36 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-198-54.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:24:56 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-198-54.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:24:58 <Celestar> maybe I should start a job as part-time-terrorist ... 15:25:16 <Bjarni> o_O 15:25:18 <Bjarni> why? 15:25:23 *** TheUndefined [n=me@cable-213-132-140-171.upc.chello.be] has joined #openttd 15:25:26 <TheUndefined> hi 15:25:26 <Bjarni> and it would be a bad thing 15:25:34 <Sacro> hmm, that was a bad idea 15:25:34 <Bjarni> since then I should have to part time kill you 15:25:38 <Celestar> Bjarni: to blow up a few terrorists ... er ... government members 15:26:13 <TheUndefined> i've been looking for something on the wiki, but can't find it, what's the multiplyer for moving cargo over X distance? 15:26:13 <Bjarni> bad idea 15:26:15 * XeryusTC gives Celestar some advice on how to make nice bombs :) 15:26:25 <Bjarni> because then they get replaced with Hitler wannabes 15:26:32 <Prof_Frink> Celestar: Could be worse, you cauld become a part-time CS player 15:26:39 <Bjarni> good point 15:26:40 <Celestar> Bjarni: I don't think so 15:27:54 <Sacro> TheUndefined: AFAIK its an ingame graph 15:28:13 <Celestar> TheUndefined: in the menu ... 15:28:14 <TheUndefined> sacro: isn't that the 'days in transit' graph 15:28:32 <Celestar> "cargo payment rates" 15:28:35 <TheUndefined> yes 15:28:48 <TheUndefined> or did openTTD add a distance graph too? 15:29:14 <Celestar> TheUndefined: the payment is (current) proportional to the distance 15:29:19 <Celestar> +ly 15:29:44 <TheUndefined> as in, what proportion? :) that's what i'm looking for 15:30:17 <Sacro> TheUndefined: distance = speed / time 15:30:34 <Celestar> well in the graph you see, the payment is for 20 tiles, for 10 tiles half the income, for 40 tiles twice the income ... get it? 15:30:41 <TheUndefined> ah, thx 15:31:19 <TheUndefined> celestar: ... i tought there was only a graph showing for : 10 days, 20 days ... ect 15:31:23 * TheUndefined opens ottd 15:31:44 <Celestar> methinks TheUndefined need to read up on what "proportional" means ;) 15:32:17 <TheUndefined> yeah, think so 15:32:29 <Celestar> payment == constant_factor * distance; 15:32:43 <TheUndefined> yes, that's what i tought it was :) 15:32:59 <Celestar> where constant_factor is any function that is no dependent on distance 15:33:17 *** ledow [n=ledow@jaimejwalker.plus.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:33:35 *** ledow [n=ledow@jaimejwalker.plus.com] has joined #openttd 15:33:38 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:33:43 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:34:54 <TheUndefined> ah, right, the cargo payment rate is for 20 squares, so i can just do *2 for 40 squares then, well, considering the days in transit 15:35:23 <TheUndefined> ok :) got it 15:35:24 <TheUndefined> thx 15:35:48 <TheUndefined> great job on ottd btw :P i just moved from TTD to ottd this week 15:36:06 <Celestar> TheUndefined: nice :) 15:36:06 <TheUndefined> if you're one of the coders, that is :) 15:36:24 <Celestar> I am (= 15:36:54 <TheUndefined> it's odd, i keep like, playing it again about every year, for about a month, never get tired of it 15:37:13 <TheUndefined> while other versions like locomotion and such... just... dunno 15:37:35 <TheUndefined> ah well, i've got a company to run :) cya 15:38:09 *** TheUndefined [n=me@cable-213-132-140-171.upc.chello.be] has quit [] 15:38:23 <Celestar> hehe 15:39:09 <Tobin> Night all. 15:39:42 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 15:45:15 *** UnderBuilder [i=UnderBui@168.226.104.90] has joined #openttd 15:45:28 <UnderBuilder> hello all :) 15:45:48 <Celestar> hi 15:45:59 <Celestar> g2g a bit 15:46:45 <UnderBuilder> ok 15:47:21 <UnderBuilder> I have still the same problem with my linux ottd 15:47:23 <Sacro> hey UnderBuilder 15:47:28 <Sacro> what was the problem? 15:48:19 <UnderBuilder> another day too explained the error 15:48:49 <UnderBuilder> the game doesn't want to find the sample.cat and the lang files 15:49:41 <ledow> UnderBuilder: where are you putting them and what are they called? 15:50:06 <UnderBuilder> I tried adding read permission to both files and putting all names in lower case but still same trouble 15:50:14 <Sacro> either its ./data or /usr/share/openttd/data 15:50:33 <ledow> UnderBuilder: What error do you get? 15:50:59 <UnderBuilder> Error: no available language packs 15:51:29 <ledow> have you got a lang folder? What is the permission on that folder? What user are you running as? 15:51:32 <UnderBuilder> and your sample.cat file is missing or corrupted 15:51:34 <glx> UnderBuilder: where are your lang files 15:51:55 <Sacro> ./lang or /usr/share/openttd/lang on mine 15:52:27 <UnderBuilder> my lang files are in a folder inside the opentttd one. It's called lang (in lower case) 15:53:03 <ledow> UnderBuilder: What are the permissions on that folder? 15:54:46 <UnderBuilder> I have read permissions on it (read for all and read & write for my user) 15:55:57 <ledow> Do you also have excute permission on the folder itself so that you can ENTER the folder? 15:56:49 <UnderBuilder> I think that yes but if no, when I enter I will change it 15:56:51 <Sacro> and is there an english.lng in that folder? 15:56:56 <UnderBuilder> yes 15:57:51 <Sacro> right, what distro is it? 16:03:53 <ledow> Do you also have excute permission on the folder itself so that you can ENTER the folder? 16:03:57 <ledow> sory 16:04:11 <UnderBuilder> distro? what's that? 16:04:38 <ledow> Maybe we need a bit of a better error message here: Removing the X permission to the lang folder gives me: Error: Invalid version of language packs openttd: openttd.c:77: error: Assertion `0' failed. 16:04:56 <ledow> Not only unhelpful but wrong as well 16:04:57 <Sacro> UnderBuilder: which linux distribution? 16:05:21 <UnderBuilder> ledow: that's the exact error message that I get 16:05:34 <ledow> UnderBuilder: chmod +x lang 16:05:36 <UnderBuilder> I use the installed version of knoppix 16:05:52 *** Magus_X [i=t7DS@201-34-81-43.paebv700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit ["The 7 Deadly Sins: No. This is not a religious script [www.t7ds.com.br]"] 16:05:59 <ledow> UnderBuilder: and chmod +x data also 16:06:30 <UnderBuilder> well, I g2g2 school 16:06:34 <UnderBuilder> cya 16:07:16 *** UnderBuilder [i=UnderBui@168.226.104.90] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Try something fresh"] 16:16:12 <Eddi> [19.05. 17:22] <Bjarni> where is Isle of Woman? <- there exists an island of "Lesbos" in greece ;) 16:21:03 <Sacro> mmmmmmm, Lesbos 16:22:55 <Bjarni> bye Sacro 16:22:58 <Bjarni> have a nice trip 16:23:09 <Sacro> i cant go, i got no passport 16:23:58 <Bjarni> you can travel within EU without a passport, but (this is the good part) you need a EU passport to proof that you don't have to show a passport 16:25:34 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: it is called an ID card 16:25:56 <Bjarni> that's the idea, but the only valid ID card today is a passport 16:26:10 <Bjarni> they can't agree on any other ID card even though they agree that they should 16:26:35 <XeryusTC> afaik not, the EU has a standardized ID card that you can use in the EU and some other countries 16:26:45 * XeryusTC has one in his wallet :) 16:26:52 <Bjarni> but it's not valid in the entire EU 16:27:17 * Bjarni wonders what such a card looks like 16:27:24 <Bjarni> can you scan it and send it to me? 16:27:45 *** Jezral [n=projectj@jribenfors.plus.com] has joined #openttd 16:27:50 <XeryusTC> my scanner drivers brake my computer :( 16:28:05 <Bjarni> ... 16:28:06 <XeryusTC> so i haven't used it in a few years 16:28:17 <XeryusTC> old thing with even older drivers 16:28:18 <peter1138> they slow it down? 16:28:36 <XeryusTC> no, i get blue screens everywhere 16:28:44 <XeryusTC> and the best part is, they don't work anymore :( 16:29:05 * XeryusTC thinks that the last driver update was from the time that everyone used 98 16:29:17 <peter1138> oh, they *break* your computer 16:29:27 <peter1138> silly words 16:29:59 <Bjarni> I think they are safe for the computer, but not for windows 16:30:53 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: windows isnt save for a computer, so they are unsafe for my computer indirectly ;) 16:36:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 16:38:29 *** Eddi is now known as Eddi|zuHause 16:38:46 *** Markavian [n=Markavia@cpc2-cove7-0-0-cust190.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:38:49 <Markavian> good day 16:42:01 <Darkvater> ok guys I think a ban of either bjarni or jmp_ghli soon would be in order 16:42:54 <hylje> both 16:42:59 <Darkvater> I concur 16:46:03 <Sacro> i agre 16:48:10 <Bjarni> o_O 16:48:12 <Bjarni> why? 16:50:07 <tokai|noir> windows fanatics:) 16:50:19 <Markavian> x.x 16:50:31 <Markavian> ___ 16:50:39 <Bjarni> did you ever wonder if you can survive without me? 16:51:47 <Darkvater> yes, and very finely indeed :) 16:52:58 <Sacro> Bjarni: we've never had chance 16:54:57 <hylje> you have no chance to survive 16:54:59 <hylje> make your time 16:55:11 <Aankhen``> Ha Ha Ha. 16:55:57 *** Bringa2 [i=Bringa@pD9E2E7B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:12 <Bringa2> Does the NewCargo.grf set work in ottd already? 16:56:17 <Bringa2> The one that adds fish and beer 16:57:01 <Sacro> Bringa2: nope 16:57:24 <peter1138> and "already" is not the same as "yet" 16:57:32 <Darkvater> Bringa2: no, newcargos and newindustries both of which are needed are not working atm 16:57:51 <peter1138> but i know a man who's working on them 16:57:52 <Darkvater> < food 16:57:56 <Darkvater> is he a man? 16:57:58 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> yes, and very finely indeed :) <--- but you would lack a proper OSX support 16:58:01 <peter1138> well, i think he is 16:58:04 <Bjarni> and autoreplace 16:58:24 <Darkvater> Bjarni: is that a problem? ;) 16:58:46 <peter1138> autoreplace is handy 16:58:58 <peter1138> even if where it hooks in is... dodgy 16:59:00 <Bjarni> try to go to the forum and ask if they would be bothered if all future releases of OpenTTD would lack autoreplace 16:59:31 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has joined #openttd 16:59:42 <Darkvater> Bjarni: they probably won't if it means they get rid of you ^^ 17:00:13 *** CmdKewin [n=cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 17:00:21 <Darkvater> hmm what's up with the physics patches? 17:00:25 <Darkvater> damn off to food 17:00:30 <peter1138> well 17:00:35 <peter1138> i've not done anythign with them 17:02:10 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B76D32.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:03:16 * peter1138 > home 17:04:19 <Sacro> hmm 17:10:02 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:11:53 <Belugas> I wish someone good enough will come out with a psychics patch : the trains will follow your orders without having to put on signals ;) 17:12:10 <Belugas> Might as well include that into text editing ... 17:12:15 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 17:12:38 <Sacro> hmm, would be cool 17:15:13 <Vornicus> will yapf work properly with one-way signals, the way npf does? 17:15:57 <KUDr> what you mean? 17:16:29 <Sacro> dont need to use 2 ways at stations and things 17:16:33 <Belugas> Yes Sacro, really cool :) 17:17:04 <KUDr> doesn't it work properly now? 17:19:00 <Sacro> KUDr: with opf and ntp you need to use 2 way signals when the train can go either wy 17:19:40 <KUDr> YAPF has also different two-way signal handling 17:20:03 <KUDr> so you must tell me if it doesn't work as you like 17:20:53 <KUDr> last_ret_signal_penalty may be insufficient in some cases 17:21:26 <KUDr> so it can need to use two-way signals sometimes to force it as dead-end if it is red 17:22:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B77A77.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:23:55 <Celestar> hey 17:24:00 <Sacro> hey Celestar 17:24:04 <KUDr> hey 17:24:06 <Celestar> KUDr: hows things? 17:24:15 <KUDr> slowly 17:24:31 <Celestar> KUDr: how difficult will it be to adapt YAPF to the bridge branch? 17:24:31 * Bjarni overclocks KUDr 17:24:37 <Bjarni> that should solve that issue 17:24:46 <Vornicus> KUDr: I don't know if it works properly now. 17:24:54 <KUDr> Celestar: no idea. I must try it 17:25:16 <KUDr> Vornicus: can't test it? 17:25:22 <Vornicus> I'm reading the discussion on the forums about two-way signals and how OPF and NTP (but not NPF) you need to use a two-way signal wherever a train might need to make a decision 17:27:00 <Celestar> a good signalling system should not need that 17:27:01 <Bjarni> that is how pathfinding works now 17:27:04 <KUDr> with YAPF it is generally not needed, but if the green path is MUCH longer, it can be needed 17:27:11 <Bjarni> it will not be needed in the future 17:27:27 <Celestar> KUDr: I'll do some more thinking on newsignalling over the weekend,k? 17:27:46 <KUDr> would be good to start with it asap 17:27:54 <Bjarni> Celestar: why do you ask permission to think during the weekend? 17:27:59 <Celestar> like (possibly) giving trains different priorities 17:28:06 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729D4.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:28:18 <Celestar> KUDr: I agree. 17:28:28 <Celestar> KUDr: as soon as YAPF is merged in initial form possibly 17:28:34 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729D4.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:28:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> priorities could be part of the order system 17:28:48 <KUDr> i can do it today if you like 17:28:53 <KUDr> (merge) 17:29:03 <Celestar> KUDr: is it mergable? 17:29:23 <KUDr> not yet, but i can do that 17:29:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> a train going from pickup to dropoff station might need higher priority than a train going from dropoff to pickup 17:29:41 <Celestar> KUDr: if 2 more devs agree, go ahead .. 17:29:48 <Bjarni> you mean like merging it into the trunk? 17:29:53 <KUDr> not much work (if i give up my idea with dynamic settings) 17:30:04 <KUDr> yes into trunk 17:30:07 <Celestar> Bjarni: jah I do 17:30:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> what dynamic setting? 17:30:36 <Bjarni> don't do it before the nightly builds are made, then we got 24 hours to fix whatever might have gone wrong before a new nightly build is made 17:30:48 <Celestar> KUDr: but only if you help me later to sync it with bridges :) 17:30:49 <Bjarni> yeah, what Eddi|zuHause2 said. I was about to ask the same 17:31:04 <Celestar> KUDr: YAPF is network-tested, right? 17:31:16 <KUDr> Eddi|zuHause2: into savegame - using not only <value>s but {<tag>, <value>} 17:31:32 <Bjarni> oh, did the boolean issue got solved? 17:31:34 <Celestar> XML-savegames 17:31:42 <KUDr> Celestar: not very much, but should be ok 17:31:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> but that has nothing to do with yapf? 17:32:06 <Celestar> KUDr: but it is desync save? 17:32:08 <Bjarni> yapf is written in C++ and the boolean issue is C++ related 17:32:13 <KUDr> Eddi|zuHause2: it has - i wanted to use it for YAPF only for now 17:32:30 <Celestar> Bjarni: most C++ compilers have switches on how long a bool is 17:32:52 <KUDr> Bjarni: boolean issue is C/C++ and BE related 17:33:14 <Bjarni> I know, but did it get fixed or will it still break MorphOS? 17:33:18 <Celestar> -mone-byte-bool 17:33:24 <KUDr> Bjarni: and you are only one who can fix that i guess 17:33:30 <Bjarni> (and maybe PPC OSX) 17:33:37 <Celestar> Bjarni: see above 17:33:51 <Celestar> PPC OSX has 4-byte bools by default 17:33:58 <KUDr> Bjarni: without yapf (force bool to be 4 bytes and debug - on BE computer) 17:34:18 <KUDr> and then it will work fine 17:34:19 <Celestar> KUDr: as I said, force it to use 1-byte bools 17:34:38 <Bjarni> I guess we have to do that for him 17:34:45 <Bjarni> he is not the makefile guru in here 17:34:57 <Celestar> Bjarni: I guess so, because KUDr is not very adapt at modifying makefiles :) 17:35:04 <KUDr> Celestar: if it is possible also on morphos, that yes, but 4 byte bool in C would not hurt (they tell it is faster) 17:35:13 <Bjarni> to say it mildly. I made most of the changes to the makefile, at least the complex ones 17:35:17 <Bjarni> bbl 17:35:24 * Bjarni goes to find some food 17:35:34 <Born_Acorn> I am back. I shall do as Celestar instructs and test the bridge branch 17:35:34 <Bjarni> I might need to go all the way to the kitchen 17:35:34 <Celestar> KUDr: not sure. 17:35:41 <Celestar> KUDr: variables should be aligned 17:36:15 <KUDr> Celestar: they can be aligned - on intel it works with 4 bytes bool in OTTD 17:36:32 <KUDr> only PowerPC has problem 17:39:59 <Celestar> KUDr: then just limit it to one byte. 17:40:07 <Celestar> KUDr: otherwise we have savegame problems 17:40:10 <KUDr> Celestar: how? 17:40:15 <KUDr> no 17:40:25 <KUDr> it has nothing to do with savegame 17:40:36 <KUDr> in savegame it is always 1 byte 17:40:48 <KUDr> it is independent on real bool size 17:40:52 <Celestar> well yes 17:40:53 <KUDr> and it works 17:40:58 <KUDr> on intel 17:41:04 <Celestar> it works on LE 17:41:04 <KUDr> and it is compatible 17:41:18 <KUDr> yes, there must be some bug 17:41:24 <KUDr> related to BE 17:41:28 <Celestar> well no bug. 17:41:32 <KUDr> so i can't debug it 17:41:37 <Celestar> but in BE true is stored at 00 00 00 01 17:41:37 <KUDr> bug 17:41:45 <KUDr> i know 17:41:48 <Celestar> and only the first byte is stored ... 17:41:54 <KUDr> but in savegame it is only 01 17:41:58 <KUDr> always 17:42:02 <Celestar> because the saveload code assumes a bool to be 1 byte 17:42:09 <KUDr> no 17:42:12 <KUDr> i checked it 17:42:17 <KUDr> it looks fine 17:42:26 <KUDr> it must be somewhere else 17:42:37 <KUDr> maybe config 17:42:48 <KUDr> or something else 17:43:00 <Celestar> why? it uses SlWriteByte right? 17:43:17 <KUDr> not directly 17:43:37 <KUDr> it is like SlWriteByte(val != false) 17:43:44 <KUDr> so it is fine 17:44:00 <Celestar> hm .. 17:44:00 <KUDr> val != false evaluates to 0 or 1 17:44:08 <KUDr> and this is saved as 1 byte 17:44:11 <Celestar> and theres the problem 17:44:14 <Celestar> or no. 17:44:16 <KUDr> the same for load 17:44:16 <Celestar> it SHOULD work 17:44:19 <KUDr> yes 17:44:26 <KUDr> i think so 17:44:38 <KUDr> but still there is some problem 17:44:53 <Celestar> SlWriteByte(val != false) <= where? 17:45:04 <KUDr> somebody with BE computer can debug it easily 17:45:21 <KUDr> uff, wait 17:46:52 <Celestar> erm 17:47:01 <Celestar> most bools are written as uint8 17:47:30 <KUDr> saveload.c (428): 17:47:30 <KUDr> case SLE_VAR_BL: *(bool *)ptr = (val != 0); break; 17:47:46 <KUDr> 403: 17:47:46 <KUDr> case SLE_VAR_BL: return (*(bool*)ptr != 0); 17:47:48 <Celestar> ah! 17:48:01 <Celestar> KUDr: I'm afraid it's my bug 17:48:10 <KUDr> where? 17:48:13 <Celestar> station_cmd.c:2874 17:48:46 <KUDr> hmm: 17:48:49 <KUDr> ClickTile_Station, /* click_tile_proc */ 17:49:19 <Celestar> 2885 in yapf branch 17:49:39 <KUDr> SLE_VAR(RoadStop,used, SLE_UINT8), 17:49:41 <KUDr> ? 17:49:48 <Celestar> used is a boolean 17:49:54 <Celestar> but gets treated as uint6 17:49:54 <KUDr> aha 17:49:57 <Celestar> uint8 17:49:59 <KUDr> it can be 17:50:23 <Celestar> er ... 17:50:46 <Celestar> so maybe by changing that ... 17:51:11 <Celestar> you might elminate the problem 17:51:15 <Celestar> eliminate* 17:51:49 <Celestar> note to self: I have bool 17:51:51 <Celestar> hate* 17:53:19 <KUDr> hmm, it can be also somewhere else 17:53:35 <KUDr> i wonder how i can check it programatically 17:54:10 <KUDr> or at least not manually by reviewing whole code 17:54:11 <Celestar> you can't 17:54:49 <KUDr> hmm >100k lines 17:54:54 <Celestar> vici@rivendell:[/home/vici/openttd/branch/yapf]> grep SLE *.[ch] | wc -l 17:54:54 <Celestar> 767 17:54:56 <KUDr> not good 17:54:59 <Celestar> 767 lines of code to check 17:55:27 <Celestar> lets rule out all 16, 32, and 64 bit variables 17:55:29 <KUDr> more 17:55:38 <KUDr> declarations are elsewhere 17:55:39 <Celestar> vici@rivendell:[/home/vici/openttd/branch/yapf]> grep SLE *.[ch] | grep 8 | wc -l 17:55:42 <Celestar> 292 17:56:52 <KUDr> in C++ it would be bit easier 17:57:04 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-185-238.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:18 <Celestar> players.c: SLE_CONDVAR(Player,is_ai, SLE_UINT8, 2, SL_MAX_VERSION), 17:57:21 <Celestar> players.c: SLE_CONDVAR(Player,is_active, SLE_UINT8, 4, SL_MAX_VERSION), 17:57:22 <Celestar> wrong 17:57:39 <Celestar> players.c: SLE_CONDVAR(Player,engine_renew, SLE_UINT8, 16, SL_MAX_VERSION), 17:57:43 <Celestar> players.c: SLE_CONDVAR(Player,renew_keep_length, SLE_UINT8, 2, SL_MAX_VERSION), 17:57:45 <Celestar> wrong 17:58:02 <KUDr> they are bool? 17:58:15 <Celestar> yes 17:58:17 <Celestar> all bools 17:58:27 <KUDr> yes 17:58:44 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-4716.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:58:55 <Celestar> write them down 17:59:29 <Celestar> settings.c: SDTG_VAR("autoclean_unprotected",SLE_UINT8, S, 0, _network_autoclean_unprotected,12, 0, 60, STR_NULL, NULL), 17:59:32 <Celestar> not sure. 17:59:35 <Celestar> settings.c: SDTG_VAR("autoclean_protected", SLE_UINT8, S, 0, _network_autoclean_protected, 36, 0, 180, STR_NULL, NULL), 18:00:03 <Celestar> station_cmd.c: SLE_VAR(RoadStop,used, SLE_UINT8), 18:00:03 <Celestar> wrong 18:00:13 <KUDr> "S" flaf - is it not "NO SAVE"? 18:00:46 <KUDr> huh 18:00:52 <KUDr> it will be too many 18:01:27 <Celestar> that's it. 18:01:36 <Celestar> all variables checked 18:01:47 <KUDr> hmm, how? 18:02:03 <Celestar> well a bit of grepping and searching 18:02:11 <KUDr> hmmmmmmmmmmmm 18:02:20 <KUDr> i have to learn a lot 18:02:20 <Celestar> we only have few bool variables 18:02:28 <Celestar> you can't do that in VS :) 18:02:48 <KUDr> i guess so 18:05:13 *** TheUndefined [n=me@cable-213-132-140-171.upc.chello.be] has joined #openttd 18:05:37 <TheUndefined> i've just tried to get 100% transported on some cargo source, but i can't get it higher as 83% 18:05:49 <TheUndefined> still, there are constantly trucks waiting 18:06:03 <TheUndefined> isn't 100% possible? 18:06:25 <Celestar> grep "[[:space:]]SLE" *.[ch] | grep 8 | less | awk '{ print }' | cut -d: -f1 | uniq <= this gives all the files of interest 18:07:01 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-208-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:07:12 <TheUndefined> they better be, with such an exotic command 18:07:48 <Celestar> TheUndefined: ? 18:07:52 <TheUndefined> nm :) 18:08:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> "Brandnew Breakingnews: Windows Vista edition OpenSource, for Selfcompiler. (Newsflash: 01.04.2006)" ;) 18:08:10 <Celestar> :P 18:08:15 <TheUndefined> any clue about the cargo tho? :) 18:09:12 <TheUndefined> MS open source ? ^^ 18:10:35 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 18:10:51 <RichK67> ahhhhhhh.... home at last :) 18:10:54 <Celestar> I dunno what the max is 18:10:58 <Celestar> RichK67: \o/ 18:11:04 <RichK67> hi Celestar 18:11:20 <Celestar> Darkvater had some task for you ;) 18:11:20 <TheUndefined> well, in percentages my intuition tells me it should be 100% :) 18:11:28 <RichK67> oh good :) 18:11:37 <Celestar> to finally get the airports applied 18:11:51 <Celestar> I've carefully extraced the district airports from the diff ;) 18:12:54 <RichK67> thats ok... it was my least liked airport 18:13:29 <TheUndefined> ah well, gotta go to aikido training, i'll just assume 83% is the max :P 18:13:33 <RichK67> 2 whole weeks away from openttd... agony :) 18:14:05 *** TheUndefined [n=me@cable-213-132-140-171.upc.chello.be] has quit [] 18:14:25 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/air2.diff <= latest diff 18:14:29 <RichK67> Celestar: did you see the suggested small helipad 2x3 in the Six Airports thread... quite a good idea 18:14:36 <Celestar> the grf file needs adjustment 18:14:42 <Celestar> RichK67: no not yet, was rather busy on my end 18:15:14 <RichK67> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=444670#444670 18:15:16 <Celestar> with the bridge branch for example 18:15:53 <Celestar> RichK67: looks nice 18:15:55 <Celestar> better even 18:16:59 <RichK67> yeah, i quite like it... it may be possible to modify fairly easily 18:17:52 <RichK67> btw - that diff has cut the helidepot & helistation station placement definitions 18:18:46 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181077000.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:19:15 <RichK67> oops - nope it hasnt... im blind 18:20:26 <RichK67> Celestar: any more thoughts on TGP from the dev team? 18:20:42 <Celestar> RichK67: dunno, ask Darkvater or peter1138 18:21:00 <RichK67> okies - will do 18:21:32 <peter1138> hello 18:22:21 <RichK67> hi peter1138: any TGP thoughts since i last chatted with you? 18:23:10 *** Bringa2 [i=Bringa@pD9E2E7B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:24:26 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 18:25:06 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3F47D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:25:14 <peter1138> been a bit absent with thoughts recently 18:25:16 <peter1138> busy busy at work :( 18:25:56 <RichK67> ahh... been absent too... :) :) no work at all :) (Menorca 2 weeks) :) 18:26:39 <Celestar> how was it? 18:27:44 <RichK67> sunny, and very hot last 3 days - 32C with 30-40mph winds 18:27:58 <Celestar> wow 18:28:27 <RichK67> yeah - air straight off sahara... ouch! 18:28:35 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:28:35 <RichK67> normal for time of year is 22C 18:28:50 <Celestar> I think 32C is rather decent 18:29:10 <RichK67> 2 weeks was rather long tho... i would have preferred 10days methinks 18:29:19 <Celestar> 10 days is a good time 18:29:49 <RichK67> yeah, 1 week too little, 2 too much... felt really out of touch 18:30:06 <Celestar> well I usually carry my lappy as well 18:32:37 <RichK67> bbl... curry is served :) 18:32:47 <Celestar> curry :) 18:33:09 *** RichK67 is now known as RichK67|eatingcu 18:33:12 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181117215.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:33:31 <Belugas> On an island, for me, 2 is far from been enough :) 18:33:44 <Belugas> way too many fishes and corals to see 18:33:55 <Celestar> FISH! 18:33:58 <Celestar> it's FISH! 18:34:02 <Celestar> not fishes 18:34:04 <Celestar> :) 18:34:57 <Celestar> and in the Mediterranean there's not much to see 18:34:57 <Belugas> I'm not diving to see you ;) 18:35:11 <Sacro> the plural if fish, is fishes isnt it? 18:35:25 <Celestar> the plural of fish is fish 18:36:02 <Celestar> the plural of aircraft is aircraft .. 18:36:04 <Belugas> plural is the same? Gaaaaaa 18:36:09 <Belugas> planes 18:36:19 <Celestar> and aircraft is not the same as an airplane 18:36:36 <Celestar> it's something totally different 18:36:45 <Celestar> rather "airplane" is a subset of "aircraft" 18:36:49 <Belugas> Je prefere le francais ^^ 18:37:04 <Prof_Frink> yeah, cos choppers are aircraft, but not aeroplanes 18:37:05 <Sacro> hmm, francais c'est bien 18:37:18 <Belugas> bravo Sacro ;) 18:37:27 <Sacro> merci 18:37:52 <Celestar> an aircraft is a device which is used, or intended to be used, for flight in the air 18:38:05 <Celestar> an airplane is an engine-driven, fixed-wing aircraft 18:38:39 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3FE6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:38:51 <Prof_Frink> No, an airplane is a device that uses compressed air to shave bits off wooden things 18:39:34 <Sacro> can i create a symlink via ftp? or create one locally and upload it...? 18:39:52 <Belugas> so a balloon can be considered an aircraft ? 18:40:09 <Celestar> other aircraft are: ballons, airships, sailplanes, helicopters, .... 18:40:35 <Belugas> "Way too many fish and coral reefs to see" better like that? 18:40:40 <Prof_Frink> Celestar: so gliders aren't aeroplanes? 18:40:43 <Belugas> Ok, I think I see the distinction 18:40:49 <Celestar> Prof_Frink: Sailplanes are not Airplanes 18:41:01 <Prof_Frink> you can't plane a sail. 18:41:06 <Prof_Frink> you'd rip it. 18:41:21 <Celestar> that's why the the fight between the Germans and the Americans who built the first airplane, because airplanes in German need to be engine-driven 18:41:31 <Celestar> s/to/not/ 18:41:56 <Celestar> and Lilienthal made the first flight in a sailplane around 1890 18:42:05 <peter1138> aeroplane! 18:42:12 <Celestar> the Wrights built (supposedly) the first airplane 18:42:32 <Celestar> peter1138: the FAA and JAA definitions do not contain the term "aeroplane" iirc 18:43:13 <peter1138> yeah, but they're wankers 18:43:20 <Markavian> ain't they american bodies? 18:43:24 <Celestar> FAA is 18:43:26 <Celestar> JAA isn't 18:44:53 <Celestar> JAA is a European Body 18:47:43 *** Markavian [n=Markavia@cpc2-cove7-0-0-cust190.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has left #openttd ["Leaving"] 18:48:14 <Ayoze> which frecuency (fps) does use openttd? 18:48:36 <Celestar> normally 37 fps 18:48:43 <Ayoze> ok, ty 18:48:45 <Celestar> er 18:48:46 <Celestar> 27 18:49:03 <Celestar> 74 milliseconds per frame 18:49:52 <peter1138> ... 18:50:13 <peter1138> it's 33 18:50:20 <Ayoze> :O .. 18:50:20 <peter1138> 30 milliseconds 18:50:27 <peter1138> 74 is the number of ticks in a day 18:50:58 <Celestar> erm 18:51:02 <Celestar> am I being stupid today? 18:51:14 <Celestar> .oO(you shouldn't make such statements when you have a temperature) 18:51:16 <peter1138> yes? :) 18:51:40 <Celestar> then it's 27 milliseconds (= 18:51:57 <peter1138> it's 30 18:52:23 <Celestar> a day is 1998 milliseconds 18:53:09 <peter1138> according to what? 18:53:16 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3F47D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 18:53:34 <peter1138> the video drivers (best place for it) say 30 ticks, where a tick is 1 millisecond 18:53:37 <Celestar> openttd.h:43 18:53:52 <peter1138> that's just a comment 18:54:02 <Celestar> but maybe it's video driver dependent 18:54:06 <Celestar> (= 18:54:06 <peter1138> it i 18:54:09 <peter1138> it is 18:54:13 <Celestar> Ayoze: everything clear now? ;) 18:54:15 <peter1138> all the video drivers say 30 :) 18:54:22 <Ayoze> Celestar: yes, thanks :P 18:54:44 <Celestar> so about 30 milliseconds if CPU load <= 100% 18:58:47 <peter1138> if you want 18:58:50 <peter1138> we can make it 27 18:58:53 <peter1138> to speed it up a bit ;p 18:59:46 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F47D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:09 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:03:26 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:36 <Celestar> Every tick this variable (date_fract) is 19:05:37 <Celestar> * increased by 885. 19:05:42 <Celestar> is this kinda braindead? 19:06:20 <Vornicus> sounds braindead to me 19:10:48 <Celestar> WHY is distance(me.position, tv.rcu.position) always > me.arm.length? 19:11:18 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:11:20 <Vornicus> because I stole your remote. 19:11:31 <Vornicus> And sent it to Jupiter. 19:11:46 <Vornicus> Mars Needs Women, but Jovians need TV. 19:12:10 <Tron> Celestar: 32768 / 37 = 885 19:12:50 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:12:51 <Celestar> yeah 19:13:58 <Tron> well, that's the reason 19:14:48 <Vornicus> 885 as a magic number is a bit odd, though - the provenance should be more obvious 19:15:29 <Celestar> some define ... 19:15:40 <Tron> the magic is easy: 19:16:06 <Tron> when this 16bit counter flips from positive to negative (or vice versa) then the overflow flag gets set 19:16:44 <Tron> so a simple conditional jump on the OF is enough to detect a new day 19:16:51 <Tron> instead of a compare + conditional jump 19:17:29 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.24.191] has quit ["Look ma, no script!"] 19:17:49 <Tron> and yes, it's a pretty pointless optimisation, because this test is run just 37 times per second 19:18:01 <Tron> that's about never 19:20:00 <Tron> something tells me this comment is stale 19:20:03 <Celestar> that's not never 19:20:11 <Celestar> that's about once every 60 million cycles 19:20:25 <Tron> that's never for any practical purposes 19:21:05 <Tron> _date_fract++; <--- the something 19:21:52 *** RichK67|eatingcu is now known as RichK67 19:22:06 <RichK67> howdy... back again 19:22:13 <Celestar> wb 19:22:51 <RichK67> is newstations support in trunk? 19:22:56 <glx> yes 19:23:02 <glx> you missed a lot :) 19:23:02 <RichK67> woohoo! 19:23:16 <RichK67> anything else cool? 19:23:44 <Prof_Frink> end of the worls. 19:23:44 <Prof_Frink> s/s/d/ 19:23:49 <Celestar> bridge stuff is working well, as does YAPF 19:23:58 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit ["In the end, all that matters is your relation with God..."] 19:24:02 <Celestar> and if you don't look quick enough you'll miss me departing 19:24:21 <RichK67> bridge stuff? diagonal rails under bridges? 19:24:25 <Celestar> ay 19:24:31 <RichK67> woohoo ^ 2 19:24:40 *** Forexs [n=forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 19:24:45 <glx> RichK67: but not in trunk yet 19:24:53 <RichK67> ah 19:24:56 <Tron> yep, that comment is wrong... since r2041 19:25:17 <RichK67> btw - did 0.4.8 make it? it was nearly ready when i went on hols 19:25:25 <Celestar> nope 19:25:42 <Celestar> but few things miss 19:25:48 <Tron> well, mr. stout didn't update the comment back then 19:25:58 <Celestar> it took me 3 days to find the damn AI bug 19:26:25 *** TiberiusTeng [n=Tibeius@211-74-182-249.adsl.dynamic.seed.net.tw] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:28:40 <Prof_Frink> Celestar: the AI *is* a bug 19:29:07 <Tron> 3 words: make it better 19:29:56 <Prof_Frink> one word: no 19:30:26 <peter1138> we're doomed 19:30:31 <RichK67> does gpmi work for rail yet? 19:30:35 <Celestar> making an AI better than THIS one is not too hard :P 19:30:36 <Celestar> peter1138: ? 19:30:46 <peter1138> to never having a decent ai 19:31:22 <Prof_Frink> Celestar: an Ai that does bugger all would be better than the curren ;) 19:31:41 <Celestar> and I still suck at drawing signal sprites. 19:32:00 <Celestar> which we need before 0.5.0-final 19:32:33 <glx> RichK67: no and it's not the correct channel :) 19:33:34 <RichK67> i would just love to get the rail AI to build a nice (reasonably) straight track, then know when to, and how to double track it, then how to upgrade the stations to ro-ro... that would be enough for me 19:33:51 <Celestar> I think you can skip the latter part 19:34:01 <Celestar> but a reasonably straight track .... yes ... 19:34:28 <RichK67> i wouldnt want to have it doing full networking - i think that is way too much future design planning 19:34:58 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:36:20 <RichK67> ive already got a simple proof-of-concept VB program for track route planning, but i dropped dev of it to concentrate on TGP & airports 19:36:21 <CIA-3> KUDr * r4915 /trunk/ (players.c station_cmd.c): - Fix: SLE_UINT8 replaced by SLE_BOOL for bool variables (found by Celestar) 19:36:56 <Celestar> hm ... looking for suggestions where to emigrate to 19:37:03 <Tron> This sentence no verb 19:37:31 *** ProfFrin1 [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:37:50 <Celestar> Switzerland? Canada? USA? Australia? 19:37:54 <Celestar> New Zealand? 19:38:21 <KUDr> Celestar: slovakia 19:38:27 <Celestar> KUDr: that is an option. 19:38:36 <Celestar> KUDr: we already have a house there. 19:38:38 <KUDr> flat taxes 19:38:47 <Belugas> According to the tax comparaison we had earlier, I would say Canada :) 19:39:36 <Celestar> I liked Canada ... 19:40:16 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:40:19 <Belugas> Think of it : just besides USA, but without the burden of having Bush as head of state 19:40:24 <Celestar> hehe 19:40:42 <Celestar> I've survived Schröder ... 19:41:00 <Belugas> He did say no to Irak, at least 19:41:14 <RichK67> lol - Bush will be a fading nightmare in 2 yrs anyway :) 19:41:46 <Belugas> it's enough... And don't forget, he have a brother :) 19:42:23 <RichK67> hmmm.... time to SVN update the Mini IN.... from 4613 to 4914... any takers on number of conflicted files??? im guessing 7 ;) 19:42:31 <Celestar> I 19:42:33 <Celestar> 25 19:43:20 <RichK67> ok - here goes 19:43:50 <Celestar> weee 19:43:58 <RichK67> 12 19:44:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> RichK67: i think peter1138 mentioned he has a workaround for the PBS <-> newstation problem 19:44:12 <Celestar> one game, 7 AIs 1950-2050 in the bridge branch and no crash \o/ 19:44:30 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause2: PBS will most likely be implemented completely different 19:44:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> i know ;) 19:44:52 <RichK67> eddi - what problem? (ive been away 2 weeks) 19:44:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> but in the meantime, we have to live with the old implementation ;) 19:45:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> RichK67: newstations uses all map bits for station tiles, including the one previously used by PBS 19:45:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> (if i understood that correctly) 19:46:03 <Celestar> peter1138: have you updated the html documentation with newstations? 19:46:45 <RichK67> ah - maybe its time to drop PBS from Mini IN... its causing all my problems 19:46:55 <XeryusTC> heya RichK67, nice to see you again :) 19:47:03 <RichK67> (bait bait ;) ) 19:47:11 <RichK67> hi hi xeryustc :) 19:48:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> NOOO 19:49:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> i cannot live without PBS ;) 19:49:26 * Celestar gives Eddi|zuHause2 a Bratwurst 19:49:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> i hate bratwurst... 19:49:50 * XeryusTC slaps Eddi|zuHause2, get a hold of yourself 19:49:50 * Eddi|zuHause2 slaps XeryusTC back with some suitable device 19:49:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> i prefer steak ;) 19:50:12 * XeryusTC stabs Eddi|zuHause2's script 19:50:14 <RichK67> lol 19:50:32 <Celestar> I wonder why we have sooo many printfs in the statement 19:50:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> oh, yes... it is very stupid ;) 19:54:52 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181077000.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 19:55:16 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:55:17 *** ProfFrin1 is now known as Prof_Frink 19:57:57 <Celestar> soo ... 19:58:04 <Celestar> I gotta go 19:58:20 <Sacro> bye Celestar 19:58:21 <RichK67> cya 19:58:31 <Celestar> I think we should merge YAPF and bridge of the weekend :) 19:58:40 <Celestar> s/of/over/ 19:58:58 <Sacro> nooooooooooo, tonight 19:59:10 <rain````> whats yapf? 19:59:28 <rain````> ohhh 19:59:29 <rain````> i get it 19:59:32 <rain````> "Yet another pathfinding" 19:59:48 <rain````> is it going to be (basically) cheating like pbs was? 19:59:59 <rain````> or is it still going to require some effort to make good quality tracks 20:00:15 <Celestar> it will ... 20:01:57 <glx> rain````: for now it will just work like npf (without killing cpu) 20:03:47 <Celestar> later on there will be a totally new signalling concept 20:03:51 *** Mucht|zZz [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 20:14:20 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp83-237-234-47.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:21:16 <Celestar> WHHHYY is svn merge that slow at times ? 20:24:36 <Belugas> lots of people doing svn co? 20:24:48 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82BE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:25:44 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has quit [] 20:25:56 <Celestar> dunno 20:26:02 <Celestar> and openttd.dsp is going on my butt 20:26:11 <Celestar> didn't we drop official VS6 support anyway? 20:26:19 <Sacro> think so 20:27:00 <glx> btw why still support VC6 as VS2005 express is free 20:27:31 <Sacro> because VS2005 express is pants 20:27:48 <Celestar> nevertheless we can remove openttd.dsp right? 20:27:51 <Sacro> glx: why support Windows and OSX when linux is free 20:27:59 <Celestar> why's that file in anyways? 20:28:24 <Celestar> I mean I'm not committing files I need for devving as well 20:28:43 <glx> dsp is VC6 project file (like makefile I think) 20:28:52 <Celestar> ok 20:29:04 <glx> dsw is VC6 workspace 20:30:24 <glx> group all dsp of the project (openttd, strgen, lang) 20:30:33 <Celestar> .oO(I think YAPF is not VS6-compatible anyway) 20:30:47 <KUDr> right 20:30:54 <KUDr> remove them 20:31:14 <peter1138> 20:47 < Celestar> peter1138: have you updated the html documentation with newstations? << which bit of the documentation? 20:31:29 <Celestar> landscape.html and landscape_grid.html 20:31:52 <peter1138> yes 20:32:07 <Celestar> cool :) 20:32:50 <CIA-3> KUDr * r4916 /trunk/settings.c: - Fix: SLE_BOOL replaced by SLE_UINT8 for byte _network_lan_internet 20:33:48 <Celestar> hm? 20:33:57 <Born_Acorn> (20:59:05) <Celestar> I think we should merge YAPF and bridge of the weekend : 20:34:00 <Born_Acorn> :O :O :O :O 20:34:02 * Born_Acorn dies 20:34:11 <Born_Acorn> (from shock) 20:34:14 <Celestar> Born_Acorn: that's only an opinion (yet) 20:34:17 <KUDr> why? 20:34:19 <Tron> exactly how is this a fix? where's the bug report about it? 20:34:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B752BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:34:46 <KUDr> Tron: morphos bool problems 20:34:55 <Tron> bridges are _far_ from finished 20:35:13 <KUDr> bool == uint8 is wrong assumption 20:37:48 <Born_Acorn> Roflsocks. 20:37:57 <Born_Acorn> Someone just queried me 20:38:02 <Born_Acorn> (21:19:22) <shorty> hi 20:38:02 <Born_Acorn> (21:19:30) <shorty> pelase talk to me no one else will 20:38:02 <Born_Acorn> (21:19:50) <shorty> please talk to me 20:42:02 <valhallasw> rofl 20:42:10 <valhallasw> ./ignore shorty 8) 20:44:08 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B83C6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:46:18 *** UnderBuilder [i=UnderBui@168.226.106.117] has joined #openttd 20:46:27 <UnderBuilder> I'm back :) 20:46:34 <Sacro> hey UnderBuilder 20:50:42 *** Bringa2 [i=Bringa@pD9E2FD95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:50:44 <UnderBuilder> I tried your hints but the game still giving me errors 20:50:53 <UnderBuilder> (the same ones) 20:52:30 <Sacro> oh right 20:52:41 <Sacro> where is the binary placed? 20:52:51 <UnderBuilder> in .\ 20:53:25 <Sacro> hmm, ./ is relavent to where you are though 20:53:30 <glx> and . is what dir ? 20:53:53 <Sacro> glx: the current one 20:54:13 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B76D32.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:54:17 <glx> Sacro: I know that but what is the current dir :) 20:55:23 <Sacro> `pwd1 20:55:30 <Sacro> :S `pwd` 20:55:30 <UnderBuilder> ./ is a normal folder 20:55:52 <hylje> how about a normal folder named -rf 20:56:08 <Sacro> hylje: only an evil person calls it that 20:56:20 <glx> UnderBuilder: a full path on linux is /xxx/xxxx/xxx 20:56:24 <glx> not ./ 20:56:25 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82BE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:56:26 <hylje> really ? 20:57:15 <Sacro> . means here 20:57:21 <Sacro> .. means parent dir 20:57:23 <glx> so what we want to know is the full path of OpenTTD 20:57:30 <glx> on your system 20:58:44 <UnderBuilder> my OTTD is installed in openttd_0.4.7/usr/shared/games/openttd 21:02:25 *** Dos` [n=PX2II@i209233.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:02:42 <Dos`> lol just got my redhat working but how do i start? 21:02:44 <Dos`> rofl 21:04:11 <UnderBuilder> anyway I will not play on internet because my linux don't recognize my usb modem 21:04:57 <glx> usb and linux are always fun 21:04:58 <Tron> <UnderBuilder> my OTTD is installed in openttd_0.4.7/usr/shared/games/openttd <--- i doubt that 21:05:58 <glx> UnderBuilder: how can you talk here if your modem is not recognised? 21:06:41 <UnderBuilder> well, it is only a comment 21:06:42 <Dred_furst> When do maglevs come into service again? 21:07:17 <Sacro> 2015? 21:07:26 <Dred_furst> Not 2015 21:07:27 <Sacro> right, be back later all 21:07:29 <Dred_furst> were in 2020 21:07:30 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-198-54.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Off to pub"] 21:07:34 <Dred_furst> no maglev yet 21:08:32 <Bringa2> Speaking of maglev, maglev doesn't really work when using the DB set, does it? 21:08:39 <Bringa2> certain resources can't be transported etc 21:09:04 <peter1138> it's designed to be like that 21:09:24 <Dred_furst> peter1138 you know what year maglev comes in? 21:09:30 <glx> like ukrs maglev can only transport passengers, mail or goods 21:09:41 <peter1138> Dred_furst: depends 21:09:47 <Dred_furst> standard sets 21:09:55 <peter1138> then around 2020 21:10:01 <Dred_furst> hmm 21:10:04 <Dred_furst> soon then 21:10:10 <Bringa2> I transported wood and steel with maglev too, but that was probably because the savegame was started without the DB set 21:10:30 <Dos`> linux sucks 21:10:34 <Dos`> i cant eve login 21:10:36 <Dos`> tsktsk 21:10:49 <peter1138> dbsetxl only allows for passengers and mail 21:11:03 <Dred_furst> my rail network is gonna be a bitch to uypgrade to maglev 21:11:03 <Belugas> Dos`, it does not sucks... you just don't know how to do it :) 21:11:30 <Dos`> whatever 21:11:33 <Dos`> i should just oot 21:11:36 <Dos`> boot* 21:11:38 <Dred_furst> its so big lol 21:11:42 <Dos`> in a GUI 21:11:48 <Dos`> but i get a stupid command line 21:12:00 <glx> you forgot to configure X 21:12:00 <Dos`> where i cant get out 21:12:11 <Dos`> no i just installed 21:12:15 <Tron> there is no 'out' 21:12:15 <glx> but that's normally done by setup 21:12:28 <Dos`> o wait maybe ur right 21:12:29 <Dred_furst> Dos` login as root 21:12:32 <Dred_furst> then do startx 21:12:51 <Tron> and btw: this is not #linux 21:12:59 <Dos`> yes that eplains why my "start"didnt work 21:13:00 <Dred_furst> XD 21:16:53 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:17:45 <UnderBuilder> Is egladil too busy or why the 32bpp isn't in the tasks section of thewiki? 21:18:35 <Belugas> he's REALLY busy 21:18:44 <Belugas> with life :) 21:20:41 <Dos`> linux at laptop = rampage omg 21:25:53 <Dos`> be right back switching internet 21:25:58 *** Dos` [n=PX2II@i209233.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [] 21:28:20 <Dred_furst> http://loz.superleet.net/images/tcpip_network.png :D 21:29:10 <peter1138> too many towns 21:29:18 <peter1138> too easy ;p 21:29:22 <Dred_furst> lol 21:29:32 <Dred_furst> Im doing mainly industry 21:29:43 <Dred_furst> its more of the scale :P 21:30:15 <glx> too many industries too :) 21:30:24 <Dred_furst> its not THAT bad 21:31:01 <UnderBuilder> Dred_furst: what server is it? I want join :D 21:31:13 <Dred_furst> UnderBuilder Its a personal game against my friend IRL 21:31:18 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:33:51 <UnderBuilder> someone knows how to generate a nice terrain without any new terrain generators or scenarios? 21:34:08 <Dred_furst> Do it yourself? 21:35:48 *** Boes [n=SerriaRo@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 21:36:20 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:36:21 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:36:31 <Vornicus> define "a nice terrain", and "scenarios" 21:40:53 *** _Red is now known as Red 21:44:30 <UnderBuilder> whi I can't start my server? I get an could not start server error 21:44:55 <UnderBuilder> why* 21:45:29 <peter1138> how descriptive 21:46:03 <UnderBuilder> that's the exact error 21:46:52 <UnderBuilder> I can give cfg file but it isn't possible in IRC 21:49:14 <Brianetta> White Rabbit thinks I'm a girl 21:49:23 *** Jezral [n=projectj@jribenfors.plus.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:49:27 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! The customary daily newsounds! 21:49:30 <Brianetta> At least, he does until he reads my reply 21:49:43 <Born_Acorn> Brianetta, you aren't a girl? 21:49:52 <Born_Acorn> That avatar made it look like it was so! 21:49:55 * Born_Acorn runs away 21:49:58 *** Jezral [n=projectj@jribenfors.plus.com] has joined #openttd 21:50:02 <Brianetta> That avatar is me ): 21:50:16 <Born_Acorn> Which is why I'm running awayyyyyyy..... 21:50:18 <Belugas> I tough it was your boyfriend ;) 21:50:30 * Brianetta is rofling 21:50:39 <Brianetta> Helen seems unimpressed 21:51:01 <Born_Acorn> White_Rabbit needs no know girls do not exist on t'internet 21:51:06 <Born_Acorn> s/no/to 21:52:30 <Born_Acorn> Although I kinda see how your avatar could be mistaken for a really macho looking East German woman. 21:52:38 <Brianetta> There are girls on the internet, but if you try to catch one you have to remember the 2/3 rule 21:53:16 <Brianetta> Attractive, single, mentally stable - pick any two. 21:53:24 <Belugas> Say Hello to Helen on my behalf. Tell her how patient and brave she is to tolerate a train nuts like that :) 21:53:39 <Belugas> Mine is quite less permissive ;) 21:53:47 <Brianetta> She's smiled, Belugas 21:54:03 <Belugas> Good :) 21:54:15 <Brianetta> But it's still my birthday at the moment 21:54:27 <Born_Acorn> Who is Helen and why did she agree to marry the other person! 21:54:33 * Born_Acorn has been lost 21:54:37 <Brianetta> Helen is my dear wife to be 21:54:40 <Belugas> Happy birthday to you!!! 21:54:54 <Brianetta> <-- 31 21:55:05 <Born_Acorn> Oh. I though Belugas was you. Got confused there. 21:55:12 <Brianetta> My mum forgot, for the first time EVER 21:55:19 <Brianetta> I know she did, and why 21:55:19 <RichK67> woo - happy birthday brianetta 21:55:29 <Belugas> Too much booze Born_Acorn ! 21:55:40 <Brianetta> I rang her the night before last to give her a wedding date, and to tell her to come up with invitations 21:56:00 <Born_Acorn> The both names start with B, and have an e and an a in! 21:56:02 <Brianetta> She was clearly distracted by that, because I got a cheque this morning dated yesterday, and a card with the price sticker still on it 21:56:05 <Born_Acorn> I was confuddled! 21:56:08 <Belugas> lol!!! 21:56:08 <Brianetta> That's so not my mum (: 21:56:29 <Born_Acorn> I know what you all did last summer. 21:56:44 <Born_Acorn> Sometime... during the last summer... you all BREATHED. 21:56:49 <Brianetta> I didn't 21:56:51 <Belugas> not me! 21:56:53 <Brianetta> I held my breath 21:57:01 <Belugas> you too??? 21:57:02 <Born_Acorn> Then welcome to hell! 21:57:11 <Brianetta> Belugas: We were kissing, weren't we? 21:57:26 <Born_Acorn> This is the afterlife, a life of torment in which peter1138 never released newsounds and goes "do-do" occasionally! 21:57:30 <Belugas> don't tell that, in front of Helen what'smore 21:57:36 <Brianetta> heh 21:57:37 <peter1138> mrrr mrrrmrrrmrrr do-do 21:57:51 <Belugas> Good nigh Master Newgrf 22:01:06 <Born_Acorn> Night is for the silly 22:01:15 <Born_Acorn> Which is why I live on the sun. 22:02:09 <peter1138> hmm 22:02:19 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B77620.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:02:26 <Belugas> You must be a little tired running like that all day long to catch up with the sun??? 22:03:51 <peter1138> nini 22:06:26 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:07:57 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-4716.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 22:10:15 <Brianetta> sun-- 22:10:40 <Brianetta> It's like your employer. Without it, you have no means to live. Doesn't mean you want to spend time with it. 22:11:05 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:11:09 <Bringa2> Uh, someone help me? I remember reading somewhere on the tt forums (probably) about how it was a widely known fact that airplanes fly a lot slower than advertised (a 912 km/h aircraft will lose in a race with a 330 km/h train), and that they had a fix for it? 22:12:45 <Brianetta> Speeds are scaled. They travel at a quarter of their stated speed, relative to trains. 22:13:03 <Brianetta> Or, trains travel at four times their stated speed, relative to aircraft. 22:13:05 * Bringa2 nods 22:13:15 <Bringa2> and this is something that patch/ottd are going to keep that way? 22:13:25 <Brianetta> FOr the forseeable, yes. 22:13:25 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-203-170.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:13:32 <Bringa2> k 22:13:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> rebalancing is supposed to come post 0.5 22:13:57 <Sacro> evening all 22:14:22 <glx> Bringa2: if the aircraft speed use the same scale as trains, you can't clic on them while they fly 22:15:06 <Biff> but it affects profits? 22:15:20 <glx> don't know 22:16:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's what the vehicle list and/or the pause key is for ;) 22:18:04 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37E4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:18:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B752BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:18:50 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-89-81.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:19:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> suggestion: when you click on the bar in the vehicle window, that would normally stop a vehicle, make a flying airplane go in (wide) circles 22:20:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> (or keep it in the waiting loop at the destination airport) 22:23:33 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 22:24:12 <Belugas_Gone> Good night all 22:24:22 <RichK67> new Mini IN posted :) 22:24:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> did you scrap PBS? 22:24:49 <RichK67> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=426900#426900 22:25:15 <RichK67> nope - i just carefully updated 4593 to 4916, and applied some fixes and new patches 22:25:30 <RichK67> but ive not fixed pbs bugs 22:25:51 <RichK67> if someone else wants to fix them, they can :) 22:25:57 <glx> how did you fixed the fact that there's no free bits in map for station ? 22:26:12 <Sacro> dont have pbs blocks and station blocks together 22:26:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> i guess he rather ignored it ;) 22:26:30 <RichK67> ah - it would help if that was actually listed in the Mini IN thread.... 22:26:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> neither svn nor gcc will complain about it 22:26:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's purely a game logic problem 22:28:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> i.e. in some occasions, newstation tiles will behave as occupied tracks, and trains reserving tiles might change the look of newstations 22:28:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> or similar problems 22:29:39 <RichK67> ah - so you can have a tile that is station AND track ??? yeah, that would break PBS if there are no spare bits 22:29:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> in the worst case, you get train crashes, but you get them all the time anyway ;) 22:31:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> like i said, you should talk to peter1138, he said he could work around it 22:32:05 *** raspi [i=raspi@phpfi.org] has joined #openttd 22:32:31 <RichK67> not worth effort IMO - old PBS will be dead in a couple of months anyway. no point trying to bugfix it now 22:33:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> if peter1138 says workaround, i assume it is a small thing ;) 22:33:59 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-89-81.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:47 <RichK67> sure, well ill accept any bugfixes into MiniIN that people want to contribute - just dont expect me to support them ;) 22:39:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> i just don't know what peter1138 had in mind, so i can not help any further... 22:39:47 <RichK67> okies - something for later then :) 22:40:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> i really wish the mini_in was a branch 22:41:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> makes maintaining personal patches against it much easier 22:42:15 <RichK67> that may be worth doing. as it is current, a branch can be easily split off, and my master source then used to create the first set of changes 22:43:51 <RichK67> bbl 22:44:05 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729D4.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:47:00 <Sacro> RichK67: speak to Celestar,im sure he mentioned it being possible 22:48:11 <RichK67> branching?? yeah, im sure it will be ok - ive just not taken the plunge yet 22:48:46 <Sacro> i wouldnt mind a UKRS IN server 22:49:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> err... what? "The file vehicle_gui.h was found twice!?! This usually happens if you applied a patchfile to the wrong folder!" 22:50:06 <Sacro> pmsl 22:52:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> i really do not understand this error... 22:53:30 <RichK67> its me - a SNAFU... im fixing 22:55:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> what went wrong? 22:57:35 *** valhallasw is now known as valhallazzzw 22:59:14 <Born_Acorn> The world ended. 22:59:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> we had that last week already (or so)? 22:59:34 <RichK67> dunno - its a bit weird... doesnt affect my compile 22:59:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> remember? we stole it from TTDP ;) 23:00:27 <Sacro> the SnAFU concept? 23:00:31 *** Magus_X [i=t7DS@201-40-176-210.paebv700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 23:00:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, the end of the world ;) 23:01:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> although, probably that too ;) 23:01:05 <Magus_X> what? 23:07:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> RichK67: could you distribute the "new" files separate from the diff? they always cause sooo many problems... 23:08:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> like pbs.c 23:08:55 <RichK67> nope - its only a problem when applying the patch multiple times (bug the TortoiseSVN devs ;) ) 23:09:19 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 23:09:34 <glx> indeed patch does the same :) 23:10:23 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E7DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:11:49 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498CB73.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:14:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... this livery refit... is that already supposed to work with the dbsetxl? 23:15:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> because, apparently, it doesnt :) 23:17:27 <glx> what sort of livrery refit? 23:19:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... like the rheingold wagons 23:20:24 <XeryusTC> Eddi|zuHause2: you mean the livery refit so the wagons get another color scheme? 23:20:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 23:20:47 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: mart3p has a patch for that in the dev forum 23:20:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25144 23:20:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> i know 23:20:53 <XeryusTC> they didn't work yet with the db set xl iirc 23:20:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have seen it 23:21:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> and RichK67 said he included the patch 23:21:07 <XeryusTC> that is with mart3p's patch 23:21:20 <XeryusTC> it should work with UKRS 23:21:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> but probably not yet the dbset changes 23:22:02 <RichK67> hmm - i cant find why i get the vehicle_gui.h error. its caused by the livery patch to vehicle_gui.h, but doesnt show up with just the cargo_subtypes patch applied :( 23:22:52 <RichK67> mart3p says : There is now an updated patch in the first post. It seems to be working ok with DBSetXL. 23:24:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> is that the same version as in the mini_in? 23:24:44 <RichK67> yup - i applied it tonight 23:24:50 <RichK67> both 4916 23:25:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> so then why isn't it working? 23:26:12 <RichK67> if i knew i would fix it 23:26:27 <RichK67> just trying something... brb 23:26:34 <glx> hmm patch in the first post says revision 4906 23:26:58 <glx> but in his last post he says he updated to 4916 23:27:46 <RichK67> yeah - dont think thats it tho 23:29:29 <shintah> anyone know what out of sync problems might be cause by? is it a bandwith isue? 23:29:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> 99% of all cases it is different newgrfs 23:29:50 <glx> sync problem are mainly grf issue 23:29:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> or different order of newgrfs 23:30:03 <glx> can also be a slow cpu 23:30:23 <shintah> shouldn't be newgrfs 23:30:27 <glx> especially with NPF on 23:30:41 <shintah> it was running fine untill just recently 23:30:58 <shintah> then I started getting out of sync msg every 3-4 minutes 23:31:03 <shintah> just me and my friend playing 23:31:12 <glx> somebody built a ship ? 23:31:16 <shintah> nope 23:31:21 <shintah> but we have quite a lot of trains now 23:31:35 <glx> that could be the problem 23:31:44 <shintah> like 1300+ or something 23:31:48 <glx> try to disable NPF if it's possible 23:32:11 <shintah> that would probably cause major trouble for all the stupid trains :D 23:32:41 <shintah> well, we'll try some different settings and see if it'll get better 23:32:51 <glx> yes you surely needs to change some junstion for NTP but this will stop desyncs I think 23:35:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> or try using the yapf branch, it is supposed to use less cpu 23:36:08 <glx> that too :) but if they use 0.4.7 disabling NPF is the only solution 23:36:36 <shintah> yep using 4 7 23:37:31 <UnderBuilder> I think that the Local Autority sometimes hurts too much 23:37:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> place stations first 23:37:56 <shintah> but shouldn't it be only the server cpu that calculates paths? 23:37:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> then terraform 23:38:04 <UnderBuilder> for example, when are two towns near is impossible to raise rating on one 23:38:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, each client calculates the same thing as the server 23:38:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> and afterwards transfer a checksum 23:38:29 <shintah> ok 23:38:34 <shintah> might be my comp then 23:38:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> otherwise the network traffic would not be handleable 23:38:47 <glx> your are the slower client ? 23:38:52 <shintah> though one would think a amd 64 would be able to handle quite a lot 23:39:14 <shintah> I'm the one getting out of sync yes 23:39:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> try watching the cpu usage on each computer 23:39:36 <glx> btw NPF can kill the faster cpu :) 23:39:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> btw. the yapf branch needs network testing anyway ;) 23:40:11 <glx> yes but most players don't compile 23:40:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm not sure if a nightly is created for it 23:40:33 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-4716.bb.online.no] has quit ["Bunchie!"] 23:41:26 <shintah> sure is my cpu 23:41:26 <Sacro> hmm, just got this message from eclipse - "The plugins you have downloaded cannot verified, do you wish to install them" -> "Yes" -> "Verifying plugins..." 23:41:47 <shintah> 100% usage then "out of sync" :/ 23:41:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> you see ;) 23:42:06 <shintah> :) 23:42:09 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: KUDr release win32 versions himself 23:42:33 <glx> but I remember TL talk about nighlies for branch 23:42:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> maybe the 32-bit emulation on AMD64 is slow? 23:43:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway... does disabling NPF solve it? 23:43:30 <glx> openttd can be compiled in 64bit version I think 23:43:56 <UnderBuilder> nobody responses my opinion? 23:44:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> you said anything? 23:48:24 <UnderBuilder> I think that the Local Autority sometimes hurts too much 23:48:27 <UnderBuilder> for example, when are two towns near is impossible to raise rating on one 23:49:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... pile transport crashes the yapf branch even with npf/yapf off 23:50:05 <RichK67> ahh - eddi - looks like the bug is in TortoiseSVN: I got a dialog box when trying to 23:50:06 <RichK67> > apply the patch: "The file chatBanner_Inc.xslt was found twice..". 23:50:06 <RichK67> > I've attached a picture of the dialog box. 23:50:06 <RichK67> Thanks for the report. 23:50:06 <RichK67> Fixed in revision 6271. 23:50:28 <RichK67> thats 1.3.3.6271 23:50:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> i got 1.3.2.something i believe 23:51:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> i should update 23:51:36 <Born_Acorn> v 23:53:29 <Sionide> w 23:53:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... strange... 23:53:52 <UnderBuilder> still no response to my opinion? 23:54:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> if i load the pile transport with yapf enabled, it runs a few seconds, and then hangs with 99% cpu usage 23:54:40 <glx> but you can move the mouse no? 23:54:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, but i have to kill the app 23:55:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> if i start with yapf/npf disabled, i get ~95% cpu usage, but it runs 23:55:11 <RichK67> gotta reboot :( 23:55:13 <RichK67> brb 23:55:17 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 23:55:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> when i then enable yapf, it drops to 50% 23:56:14 <Born_Acorn> Typing make while in a recently checkedout bridgebranch gives a stop error how not handy. 23:56:42 <glx> hmm? 23:58:03 <Born_Acorn> hmm. It didn't checkout right the first time. an SVN update did the trick. 23:59:51 <glx> lol they played a coop with toyland