Log for #openttd on 23rd May 2006:
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04:57:39  <roboman> hello
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05:30:51  <brygge_2> KUDr: when do you plan to merge yapf with the trunk?
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05:46:06  <Celestar> hmmm
05:46:11  <Celestar> still 2 bug reports for 0.4.8
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06:10:09  <peter1138> hmm
06:10:11  <peter1138> max_speed += (max_speed / 2) * v->u.rail.railtype;
06:10:42  <peter1138> i guess that
06:10:51  <peter1138> 1) that needs to make el rail the same as normal rail
06:11:11  <peter1138> 2) it might want to use v->u.rail.compatible_railtypes
06:11:16  <peter1138> or
06:11:27  <peter1138> a multiplier. hmm.
06:14:40  <Celestar> er what?
06:16:13  <Celestar> peter1138: that bridge pathfind bug annoys me :S
06:16:39  <peter1138> ah, you found it now ;)
06:16:53  <Celestar> there's an official bug report now :)
06:16:53  <peter1138> Celestar: before elrails, maglev had a multiplier of 2 there
06:16:57  <peter1138> now it has a multiplier of 3
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06:17:34  <peter1138> basically, elrail trains go faster around bends than normal rail
06:19:31  <Celestar> peter1138: rofl, that bridge-pathfinding bug is weird in the bridge branch
06:19:41  <Celestar> sometimes NTP takes one route, sometimes the other :o
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06:21:43  <peter1138> :)
06:21:57  <Celestar> this smells like a desync
06:22:03  <Celestar> ok
06:22:06  <peter1138> does it even work?
06:22:10  * Celestar goes diving into solaris
06:22:20  <Celestar> good Q :P
06:22:21  <peter1138> it has to totally ignore the railtype there
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06:29:32  <peter1138> hmm
06:29:34  <peter1138> yeah
06:29:45  <Celestar> hell
06:29:55  <Celestar> I don'T even know how to configure my network devices :(
06:29:58  <peter1138> you didn't add bridge length
06:30:01  <peter1138> hmm
06:30:05  <Celestar> not YET
06:30:19  <Celestar> that's one of the last big remaining tasks (before custombridgeheads)
06:30:43  <peter1138> +·····tile_end = GetOtherBridgeEnd(tile);
06:30:44  <peter1138> +·····si.cur_length += DistanceManhattan(tile, tile_end) * DIAG_FACTOR;
06:30:44  <peter1138> +·····tile = tile_end;
06:30:54  <peter1138> (big?)
06:31:45  <Celestar> well
06:31:46  <Celestar> no :)
06:32:00  <Celestar> I just didn't do it yet :P
06:32:10  <peter1138> hmm, in bridge:
06:32:17  <peter1138> ········//   need to find the exit of the tunnel.
06:32:17  <peter1138> ········if (IsTileType(tile, MP_TUNNELBRIDGE)) {
06:32:17  <peter1138> ············if (IsTunnel(tile)) {
06:32:17  <peter1138> ················if (GetTunnelDirection(tile) != ReverseDiagDir(direction)) {
06:32:20  <peter1138> in trunk:
06:32:23  <Celestar> tile = GetOtherBridgeEnd(tile); // TODO add bridge length to costs
06:32:23  <peter1138> 		//   need to find the exit of the tunnel.
06:32:23  <peter1138> 		if (IsTunnelTile(tile) &&
06:32:23  <peter1138> 				GetTunnelDirection(tile) != ReverseDiagDir(direction)) {
06:33:17  <peter1138> maybe that's an optimization
06:33:23  <peter1138> only checks the tiletype once in bridge
06:33:49  <peter1138> i don't know how well that would be compiler-optimized
06:35:31  <peter1138> i think the sanest thing is to backport this. unless it doesn't work. you said it was flipping?
06:36:26  <Celestar> yes
06:36:31  <Celestar> investigating ...
06:37:53  <CIA-3> celestar * r4951 /branch/bridge/pathfind.c: [bridge] -Fix: NTP now penalized bridge according to their length
06:39:07  <Celestar> 1 down, 2 to go
06:40:16  <peter1138> hmm
06:40:21  <peter1138> i tell you what
06:40:25  <peter1138> that is a *horrible* loop
06:40:36  <peter1138> with gotos etc...
06:45:03  <Celestar> pathfind.c?
06:45:04  <Celestar> yes
06:45:07  <peter1138> yeah
06:45:18  <Celestar> tis disgusting
06:45:46  <CIA-3> celestar * r4952 /branch/bridge/pathfind.c: [bridge] -Fix: TPFMode1 now penalizes bridges according to their length
06:45:50  <Celestar> 2 down, 1 to go.
06:48:11  <CIA-3> celestar * r4953 /branch/bridge/pathfind.c: [bridge] -Remove a comment that accidently slipped in during the last commit
06:49:50  <Celestar> hm ... I think NPF does it correctly anyway
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06:50:37  <Celestar> no
06:50:43  <Celestar> NPF doesn't plan over bridges at all
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06:51:52  <Celestar> blathijs:
06:51:54  <Celestar> you there?
06:53:12  <peter1138> i'm not convinced it behaves correctly yet
06:53:37  <Celestar> in trunk?
06:53:55  <peter1138> yea
06:53:55  <peter1138> it works ok if the bridge is in the path
06:54:07  <peter1138> but what if a train starts pathfinding from the middle of a bridge?
06:54:15  <Celestar> it doesn't
06:54:22  <Celestar> pathfinding happens at junctions
06:54:39  <Celestar> and I haven'T done anything in trunk :)
06:55:21  <Celestar> me->meeting();
06:59:11  <peter1138> Celestar: seems it does
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07:01:19  <peter1138> not very often
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07:07:19  <peter1138> Celestar: a train will pathfind from the middle of the bridge
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08:05:33  <Celestar> peter1138: under what circumstances?
08:06:46  <peter1138> turning a train around when it's on a bridge
08:06:51  <peter1138> for one
08:07:01  <peter1138> there are other circumstances, but i haven't determined what yet
08:07:28  <Celestar> suggestions
08:07:48  <KUDr> peter1138: servicing (searching for depot)?
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08:12:53  <peter1138> KUDr: could be
08:13:51  <peter1138> Celestar: did you say that a train's tile points to the end of the tunnel ?
08:14:07  <peter1138> (whereas for bridges it won't)
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08:22:12  <Celestar> peter1138: in bridge/ v->tile always points to the end of tunnel/bridge
08:22:26  <Celestar> in trunk/ v->tile points to end of tunnel, and currentl tile on bridge
08:23:44  <peter1138> ah
08:23:58  <peter1138> hmm
08:24:00  <peter1138> so, uh
08:24:12  <Celestar> and I'm too much in bridge/ at the moment
08:24:14  <Celestar> wow
08:24:18  <Celestar> those Woodcrests are nice
08:24:22  <peter1138> you have some weird magic going on with x_pos / y_pos...
08:24:33  <Celestar> peter1138: "me?"
08:28:32  <peter1138> ok, we :P
08:29:21  <peter1138> so anyway
08:29:30  <peter1138> i guess my plan of using the code from bridge/ isn't going to work
08:29:33  <peter1138> at least, not simply :/
08:29:46  <peter1138> otoh, it needs to be fixed for 0.4.8
08:30:20  <Celestar> does it?
08:30:24  <Celestar> I mean did it work before?
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08:30:39  <peter1138> yes, it worked until the railtype check was put in
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08:31:18  <Celestar> oh
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08:31:27  <Celestar> then it needs fixing
08:31:59  <peter1138> hmm, i have a "stuff" build here
08:32:02  <peter1138> r2335M
08:32:03  <peter1138> heh
08:32:30  <peter1138> NTPEnum is quite different
08:32:36  <peter1138> with different loops and gotos
08:32:48  <peter1138> so which fool keeps using goto? heh
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08:42:16  <roboman> im off to dinner
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08:56:26  <Celestar> man
08:57:55  <webfreakz> ?
09:05:34  <CIA-3> KUDr * r4954 /branch/yapf/ (openttd.vcproj openttd_vs80.vcproj yapf/blob.hpp):
09:05:34  <CIA-3> [YAPF] Fix: missing files in VC2003 project files.
09:05:34  <CIA-3> Fix: warnings in non-debug build - both VC2003 and VC2005 (thanks to webfreakz)
09:07:50  <Celestar> network_interface=ipge0 {dhcp protocol_ipv6=yes} <= this should configure ipge0 with dhcp right?
09:09:21  <Celestar> er
09:09:24  <Celestar> wrong window
09:11:26  <Darkvater> morning
09:11:28  <Fujitsu> Silly suns.
09:11:31  <Fujitsu> Morning, Darkvater
09:11:36  <Fujitsu> *Suns
09:11:40  <CIA-3> KUDr * r4955 /branch/yapf/openttd.vcproj: [YAPF] Fix: missing new files (not added on r4954 by mistake)
09:11:43  <KUDr_wrk> morning my lord
09:15:42  <HentaiXP> Darkvater, you work on the windows part of openTTD?
09:16:02  <Darkvater> possibly
09:16:04  <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: pm
09:16:20  <HentaiXP> wondering if you can make it more user friendly
09:16:24  <HentaiXP> user\LUA
09:17:02  <KUDr_wrk> Darkvater: ok
09:17:08  <Darkvater> which part? The compile?
09:17:20  <HentaiXP> since it wants to save to program files by deafult (auto save) when ran under a accoutn with user status it will just get aut save failed
09:17:23  <HentaiXP> auto
09:17:45  <Darkvater> ah yes, that. It is planned to be more user-aware
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09:18:00  <Darkvater> eg use documents&settings
09:18:11  <HentaiXP> yes that would be great later on
09:18:27  <webfreakz> i hope you can switch the option to save settings to docs&settings off?
09:18:29  <HentaiXP> seeing as I run under user only, unless admin is needed, than I just use runas
09:18:46  <peter1138> my
09:18:48  <webfreakz> becaus i like the way it saves the config files in the openttd directory
09:18:50  <peter1138> you are a rarity :)
09:18:51  <Darkvater> until that is fixed you can install openttd to your my documents for example
09:19:20  <HentaiXP> yep Darkvater, I just gave write perm to my user for the autosave dir
09:19:31  <peter1138> most windows users i know just ignore that and run as administrator all the time
09:19:54  <Darkvater> HentaiXP: that's not what I meant :). I meant install openttd to your my documents folder so it's only for you and is only there so you have no problems at all
09:20:14  <HentaiXP> peter1138, we raritys are in ##windows
09:20:47  <Darkvater> HentaiXP: got a question though. I think the official user-profile convention on windows would be to save user-stuff in %USERPROFILE%\Application Data\<name>, right?
09:20:57  <Darkvater> I see most games save in My Documents though
09:21:07  <HentaiXP> you could do that
09:21:26  <HentaiXP> like I believe %appdata%\openTTD\autosave\
09:21:47  <Darkvater> yes that is what I was thinking about
09:21:48  <Darkvater> but
09:21:59  <Darkvater> if you are not a computer literate you'll never find that folder
09:22:09  <HentaiXP> yeah exactly as I though
09:22:12  <Darkvater> appdata is even a *hidden* folder
09:22:24  <Darkvater> windows is really fucked :s
09:22:35  <HentaiXP> so I would think %userprofile%\openTTD\autosave\ would be better
09:22:54  <Darkvater> 1. that is totally against conventions and 2. still hard to find
09:25:07  <Darkvater> lool
09:25:10  <Darkvater>
09:25:16  <Darkvater> What this means is that you should not place save games in \Program Files, instead they should go in a sub-folder in \My Documents
09:25:24  <Darkvater> Also you should not place temporary application data in \Program Files or \My Documents, instead it should be placed in Application Data folder
09:25:54  <Darkvater> ok so I guess we got the official status
09:26:33  <Darkvater> I think best is to use My Documents\OpenTTD for all cause you'll probably want to access your savegames, config file, custom data and screenshots
09:27:27  <Darkvater> HentaiXP: is that satisfying?
09:27:35  <HentaiXP> sorry back
09:27:41  <HentaiXP> parents bothering me
09:28:01  <Darkvater> hmm I wonder if we should put the highscore file in all users\ :)
09:28:34  <HentaiXP> yeah that would be good, but alas I'm no coder I wish I could help
09:28:58  <Darkvater> no just asking if the convention is satisfiable
09:29:26  <HentaiXP> Darkvater, wonder how would you install for all users?
09:29:44  <HentaiXP> would you install the game in my docs on all user accounts?
09:29:58  <Darkvater> no install would be to program files\
09:30:19  <HentaiXP> I thoguht so
09:30:19  <Darkvater> and when started settings are read from my documents\openttd etc.
09:30:26  <HentaiXP> yeah
09:31:06  <HentaiXP> thats satisfying if you really care about my idea, since I'm probably the only person to complain abou tit
09:31:50  <Darkvater> no we had these plans for some time now
09:32:03  <Darkvater> can you write a summary of this conversation into ?
09:32:04  <Fujitsu> HentaiXP, back before I became fully enlightened, I griped about this.
09:32:07  <Darkvater> would be great :)
09:32:20  <HentaiXP> fully enlightened?
09:32:32  <Darkvater> wtf's up with flyspray? search works like crap
09:32:37  <HentaiXP> Fujitsu, don't tell me it involes nix?
09:32:40  <HentaiXP> Darkvater, ok
09:32:53  <White_Rabbit> when constructing things that require a pop-up window (e.g. stations, depots and waypoints), why do those windows always pop up right in front of the construction menu? why can't the windows stay out of each others way, like with the 'follow vehicle' windows?
09:33:03  <Fujitsu> HentaiXP, I mean, back when I didn't use Linux full-time.
09:33:15  <HentaiXP> ok
09:33:31  <HentaiXP> yeah I don't care much about unix file system layout
09:34:19  <HentaiXP> Darkvater, I'll have reg than write it up, ok?
09:34:33  <Darkvater> I think anon also works
09:36:07  <Celestar> hm
09:36:08  <Celestar> hi
09:38:01  <Darkvater> 'ello
09:40:00  <peter1138> hi!
09:40:06  <peter1138> i'm ed winchester
09:40:06  <Darkvater> !ih
09:40:22  <Celestar> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: com/sun/management/viperimpl/console/BaseConsoleOptionsManager (Unsupported major.minor version 49.0)
09:40:27  <Celestar> rats
09:41:17  <peter1138> mice
09:44:04  <Fujitsu> rabbits
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09:57:35  <peter1138> squirrels
09:58:51  <Celestar> suxx
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10:11:12  <Celestar> blathijs: assistance required
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10:15:17  <peter1138> Darkvater: for the bridge stuff, i think number 2, with a note to say that it can be removed when the bridge branch is merged
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10:17:25  <Darkvate1> bah
10:17:30  <Darkvate1> can anyone paste me back the stuff since 12:00?
10:17:39  <Darkvate1> connection died :s
10:17:58  <Celestar> <@peter1138> Darkvater: for the bridge stuff, i think number 2, with a note to say that it can be removed when the bridge branch is merged
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10:18:06  <Celestar> nothing else of importance
10:18:18  <Darkvater> Celestar, KUDr_wrk PM's?
10:18:21  <peter1138> 11:15 <@peter1138> Darkvater: for the bridge stuff, i think number 2, with a  note to say that it can be removed when the bridge branch is  merged
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10:18:31  <peter1138> uh
10:18:37  <peter1138> too slow ;p
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10:18:39  <Darkvater> peter1138: ok that's fine
10:18:41  <Darkvater> wtf
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10:18:54  <peter1138> attack of the clones!
10:19:39  <Darkvater> he
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10:51:52  <Darkvater> peter1138: going to backport bridgehack2.diff as well or shall I do that?
10:54:35  <Celestar> me->food();
10:54:46  <TechSalvager> hdc1 =?
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11:21:44  <Sacro> afternoon all
11:22:10  <webfreakz> hello
11:23:09  <Sacro> hey webfreakz, how are you?
11:25:08  <webfreakz> fine :)
11:25:15  <webfreakz> what about you?
11:26:37  <Darkvater> peter1138: rats
11:27:31  <webfreakz> chickens
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11:30:28  <peter1138> hmm?
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11:34:06  <Leissi> hi
11:34:39  <Leissi> I was wondering if anyone could help me with OTTD graphics, as i can't seem to find a way to use them.
11:35:23  <Sacro> webfreakz: not bad thanks
11:35:44  <webfreakz> leissi: what's the problem?
11:35:48  <Sacro> Leissi: copy newgrfs into the ./data/ folder, then add them to your openttd.cfg under a [newgrf] section :)
11:36:24  * webfreakz points at Sacro's explaination
11:36:50  <Leissi> ok,i will test that
11:40:21  <webfreakz> und?
11:40:32  <Leissi> "custom .grf has an invalid format"
11:41:27  <Celestar> which grf are we talking about?
11:43:30  <Darkvater> peter1138: he there you are < commit?
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11:45:44  <Leissi> I was actually looking up for new airport .grfs, but i just might try something else, if you are willing to guide me.
11:47:11  <peter1138> Darkvater: ya
11:48:17  <Darkvater> hmm wtf
11:48:24  <Darkvater> I think trunk/ is broken
11:48:41  <Darkvater> my train truns around at every waypoint instead of going through
11:49:09  <Darkvater> with old PF
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11:49:37  <Sacro> Leissi: theres quite a few nice newgrfs around
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11:49:56  <peter1138> Darkvater: yes, mine do too
11:50:03  <peter1138> not always though
11:50:07  <Darkvater> or is that a difficulty setting?
11:50:11  <Darkvater> but NPF doesn't do that
11:50:14  <peter1138> shouldn't be
11:50:14  <peter1138> hmm
11:50:21  <Leissi> Sacro: yes, i know. but would you guide me to mend them into the game, with some "easyish" way
11:50:50  <Sacro> Leissi: download newgrfs, copy newgrfs into the ./data/ folder, then add them to your openttd.cfg under a [newgrf] section :)
11:50:53  <Darkvater> is really broken
11:50:55  <Darkvater> who di this?
11:50:58  <roboman> hello
11:51:10  * Sacro whistles and points at roboman
11:51:20  <Sacro> hey roboman
11:51:27  <Leissi> Sacro: thank you. I wonder why i couldn't find an explanation as easy as that on the tt-forum =?
11:51:46  <Sacro> Leissi: its there somewhere, its my usual reply
11:51:56  * roboman hops on brianettas nightly
11:52:48  <Darkvater> peter1138: I think 'turn around' should *NOT* be active for waypoints
11:53:22  <Sacro> i dont think trains should be able to turn around at all
11:53:47  <Darkvater> it looks like it does turn around on slopes (foundations)
11:54:09  <webfreakz> /status away
11:56:58  <roboman> did anyone see the vandal on brianettas server last game
11:57:21  <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: domain down?
11:57:59  <Sacro> roboman: heard about him
11:58:17  <roboman> he vandalised my company
11:58:19  <Sacro> roboman: someones had my company a few times
11:59:58  <Sacro> devs: is it possible to have host blocking similar to IRC, like via domains and things?
12:08:21  <peter1138> Darkvater: no, it shouldn't
12:12:37  <Darkvater>
12:12:38  <Darkvater> there
12:14:14  <Darkvater> why is there explicit code to reverse a train at a waypoint?
12:14:20  <Darkvater> 		case OT_GOTO_WAYPOINT:
12:14:20  <Darkvater> 			v->dest_tile = GetWaypoint(order->station)->xy;
12:14:20  <Darkvater> 			result = CheckReverseTrain(v);
12:14:21  <Darkvater> 			break;
12:14:21  <Darkvater> ?
12:16:58  <Fujitsu> Hahahahaha.
12:17:02  <Fujitsu> Terrific.
12:17:07  <Fujitsu> svn blame is your friend.
12:17:22  <Fujitsu> Who committed the offending line?
12:17:26  <Leissi> hi and ho again. dumb questions need someon to ask them. how can I mend .patch files into the game? i tried tortoisesvn, but couldnt's make anything out of it :F
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12:20:03  <Darkvater> Leissi: do you know how to program?
12:20:18  <Leissi> Darkvater: very, very basically
12:20:37  <Leissi> equalling almost no skill :P
12:21:25  <Darkvater> then I would advise against using .patch files :)
12:21:58  <peter1138> Darkvater: read it properly :P
12:22:09  <peter1138> it doesn't mean "reverse at a waypoint"
12:22:22  <peter1138> it means "if the next order is a waypoint, check if we need to reverse to reach it"
12:22:57  <Leissi> Darkvater: with my skills, that would prolly be the best answer.. maybe i'll just stick to .grfs then :(
12:23:30  <peter1138> Darkvater: i think it's ntp thinking it can find a better path going the way it's just come from
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12:23:49  <peter1138> oh i see, always leaving
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12:24:06  <Darkvater> shit
12:24:08  <Darkvater> did you say anything peter?
12:24:16  <hylje> he did
12:24:19  <hylje> =]
12:24:21  <Sacro> yup he did :)
12:24:34  <peter1138> 13:21 <@peter1138> Darkvater: read it properly :P
12:24:34  <peter1138> 13:22 <@peter1138> it doesn't mean "reverse at a waypoint"
12:24:34  <peter1138> 13:22 <@peter1138> it means "if the next order is a waypoint, check if we need  to reverse to reach it"
12:24:41  <peter1138> 13:23 <@peter1138> Darkvater: i think it's ntp thinking it can find a better  path going the way it's just come from
12:24:53  <peter1138> (definite "maybe" on the last line though)
12:25:21  <Darkvater> hmm well anyways imho nothing should reverse at a waypoint
12:26:28  <peter1138> try making the CheckReverseTrain() calls dependent on the last order type, too
12:26:37  <peter1138> i.e. do it if the last order wasn't a waypoint
12:26:38  <peter1138> hmm
12:26:39  <peter1138> but
12:27:01  <peter1138> oh no, that might work
12:30:53  <roboman> gnight
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12:31:51  <peter1138> heh, we could use stations as waypoints really easily
12:32:03  <peter1138> hmm
12:32:07  <peter1138> actually not that easily
12:32:09  <peter1138> but fairly
12:33:17  <Darkvater> eh?
12:33:29  <peter1138> nvm
12:38:17  <Sacro> how about stations as depots?
12:38:32  <peter1138> major work
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12:39:15  <peter1138> for (perhaps) the advantage of not having to send a train to a depot to service it
12:39:22  <peter1138> you might as well play locomotion ;p
12:41:07  <peter1138> Darkvater: that Autoreplace bug post is an almost useful bug report :)
12:41:11  <peter1138> however
12:41:15  <peter1138> how should we solve it
12:41:21  <peter1138> i vote delegating to bjarni
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12:51:51  <Sacro> peter1138: no, i mean a station set as a depot, that can only service trains, doesnt accept or produce any transportable materials
12:52:01  <Sacro> well, maybe it could accept steel, that'd be cool
12:55:28  <peter1138> ...
12:55:38  <peter1138> why would you want a station that doesn't accept anything?
12:55:44  <peter1138> (or produce)
12:56:02  <peter1138> if you want a big depot complex, that shouldn't really involve stations
12:57:46  <Sacro> peter1138: fine then, i'd like a big depot complex
12:58:06  <peter1138> heh
12:58:08  <peter1138> code it? :)
12:58:51  <Sacro> if i did would it be committed?
12:59:10  <peter1138> might be
12:59:16  <Sacro> thats the M question
12:59:43  <peter1138> things that can be done in stages have better chance
13:01:58  <Sacro> yeah, thats true, just trying to think how best to start it
13:02:29  <peter1138> i'd suggest expanding depots
13:02:43  <peter1138> they already have off-map storage, which is easy to add to
13:03:06  <peter1138> (depending on what it needs, of course)
13:03:26  <Sacro> yeah, and have it so a depot can only produce a train as long as itself
13:03:30  <glx> and if possible it should be optionnal (for people who don't want it :) )
13:03:54  <glx> because I'm sure a lot will not want it
13:05:00  <Sacro> glx: yeah, thats true
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13:07:48  <peter1138> yeah
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13:17:17  <Bjarni> anybody here, who knows bison?
13:17:59  <Sacro> Bjarni: isnt it like a yak?
13:18:18  <Bjarni> !slap Sacro
13:18:22  <Bjarni> I'm serious
13:18:30  <KUDr_wrk> bison is like old cow
13:18:32  <Bjarni> and I know that you don't know shit about it
13:18:58  <KUDr_wrk> or big rabbit?
13:19:18  <glx> KUDr_wrk: bison like the GNU tool
13:19:33  <Darkvater> peter1138: which one (autoreplace) ?
13:19:34  <peter1138> yacc
13:19:41  <peter1138> the sh40->tim
13:19:41  <KUDr_wrk> glx: no, i saw one in ZOO
13:19:49  <Bjarni> nice, serious people
13:20:05  <Darkvater> ah peter1138 that's a job for Bjarni
13:20:11  <peter1138> "Replace Vahicles - BUG 0.4.7"
13:20:11  <peter1138> yup
13:20:14  <Bjarni> I'm trying to add the ability to use functions in my homemade compiler (for uni)
13:20:19  <Bjarni> and I can't figure out how :(
13:20:24  <Darkvater> bison is undeniably tied to yacc
13:20:50  <Bjarni> everything OTTD related have to be postponed until after the deadline (at 17:00)
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13:21:22  <Darkvater> what are you doing here?
13:21:27  <Bjarni> asking for help
13:21:28  <Darkvater> get to work on the compiler!
13:21:44  <Bjarni> hoping that somebody knew bison better than I do
13:21:48  <Bjarni> How do I make a function?
13:22:01  <Darkvater> what function?
13:22:20  <Darkvater> I used yacc and lex for our sub-pascal compiler but never had such problems
13:22:28  <Bjarni> nevermind. igor2 showed up :D
13:22:36  * Darkvater is curious
13:22:56  * Sacro was curious, but then looked it up and was terrified
13:23:07  <Darkvater> I still don't get your question though
13:23:24  <peter1138> bison/yacc are scary
13:23:33  <peter1138> i never want to see them in any project i work with
13:23:35  <Darkvater> nah, they're fun :)
13:23:43  <Darkvater> we should use it for newgrf
13:24:06  <Sacro> Darkvater: why not java? cross platform :)
13:24:21  <Darkvater> what does java have to do with bison?
13:24:50  <Sacro> errm, drinking coffee whilst eating one/
13:25:12  <peter1138> hmm
13:25:16  <peter1138> back hurts :/
13:26:50  <Darkvater> :(
13:28:42  <peter1138> i still want exceptions in C :P
13:28:55  <Darkvater> sweeeet
13:29:01  <Darkvater> Nvidia 1.0-8762 is out *D
13:29:14  <peter1138> 1.0? hrmm
13:29:34  <Darkvater> hmm not too many changes :S
13:29:48  * Darkvater is still waiting for that bridge-hackfix fix from peter1138
13:30:05  <peter1138> yeah
13:30:12  <peter1138> i'm looking at this grf code
13:30:23  <peter1138> the unsupported variables one
13:30:37  * Darkvater is unfamiliar witht he problem
13:31:29  <Darkvater> AND xorg 7.1 is out
13:31:32  <Darkvater> good day today
13:31:53  <Sacro> oooh, might have to see about putting those on
13:33:00  <peter1138> does it support aiglx yet?
13:33:30  <Darkvater> not the nvidia driver, it will only do it in 9xxx series
13:33:53  <Sacro> aiglx?
13:34:53  <Darkvater>
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13:37:14  <Belugas> wtf???
13:37:17  <Belugas> hheh
13:37:37  <Belugas> "New program installed"
13:37:51  <Belugas> Ho? where ?  in "Games"
13:37:52  <peter1138> ow
13:37:55  <Belugas> Openttd!
13:37:57  * peter1138 tries not to move
13:38:20  <Darkvater> oook, cool down Belugas :)
13:38:31  <Belugas> surprised I am
13:41:41  <Darkvater> so happened what has ?
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14:01:45  <Belugas> don't know I.  Rebooted the PC even didn't I.
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14:02:03  <Belugas> But amused and puzzled I am :)
14:04:24  <hylje> resembles yoda your talking does
14:07:10  <Belugas> Always wondered like that why was talking Yoda  I
14:07:15  <Belugas> muwhahaha
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14:10:01  * Darkvater is going to install xgl/compiz
14:10:25  <peter1138> but it's pants
14:10:50  <Darkvater> but I want pants
14:12:07  * Belugas imagines Darkvater running around searching his pants
14:12:12  <Belugas> yeurk
14:13:06  <hylje> Darkvater: im about to get on the way to xgl/compiz
14:13:18  <hylje> but i got to upgrade xorg first
14:13:19  <hylje> :x
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14:21:22  <Belugas> There were some files been converted from MSV6 to 2005
14:22:11  <Belugas> got to check with KUDr's work on them
14:25:52  <Celestar> so people ...
14:26:02  <Celestar> any feedback concerning branch/bridge?
14:26:12  <Darkvater> sweeet, compiz :D
14:27:36  <Sacro> Darkvater: yeah i know, i was fiddling with it last night
14:27:45  <Darkvater> it is sloooooow though
14:27:46  <Darkvater> he
14:27:51  <Darkvater> don't try to run mplayer :OP
14:27:59  <Sacro> lol, what DE?
14:28:00  <Darkvater> doesn't like twinview either
14:29:30  <Sacro> i can understand that
14:29:38  <Sacro> i like CTRL-ALT-left/right :)
14:29:52  <peter1138> yeah, xv doesn't work
14:30:14  <Darkvater> yeah that's awesome :D
14:31:01  <Darkvater> hmm I should probably use -vo gl for mplayer
14:31:34  <Sacro> that sounds more likely, you using Xorg 7.1?
14:31:42  <Darkvater> 7.0
14:31:59  <peter1138> that didn't work for me either
14:32:12  <hylje> :X
14:32:35  <Darkvater> gl or gl2 works like a charm
14:33:35  <Sacro> i got it going in GNOME last night, but everytime i touch the switcher, something crashes and i loose my window manager, plus i can only ctrl-alt-bksp out of X
14:36:36  <Darkvater> well this was fun...not much use though and slow
14:36:39  <Darkvater> but it was fun :)
14:36:46  <Darkvater> gotta show this to my dad when he gets home
14:37:09  <Sacro> hehe, my brother was amused
14:37:18  <Sacro> try and resize a maximised window :)
14:38:09  <Darkvater> :)
14:40:06  <Darkvater> too bad the zoom sucks
14:40:24  <Darkvater> it just zooms in, nothing antialiasing etc
14:41:08  <Darkvater> hmm what is the key for window organizing?
14:41:46  * ledow has their first convert in the shape of his elder brother who played his first game of OpenTTD today after playing TTD for years.  Loves the game, AI sucks (nothing new), thinks the Wiki is fantastic for learning how to use the new stuff.
14:41:49  <Celestar> Darkvater: whats going on?
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14:41:58  <Darkvater> fun with xgl/compiz
14:42:09  <Celestar> ah
14:42:40  <Sacro> Darkvater: F12
14:42:49  <Darkvater> no that's beagle
14:43:07  <Darkvater> the readme says F11 here but that does nothing
14:43:27  <Sacro> Darkvater: has a list
14:44:59  <Darkvater> hmm I think I needa kill beagle then
14:45:47  <peter1138> i didn't get zoom working
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14:46:15  <Darkvater> windowskey + scroll
14:46:42  <peter1138> didn't work for me
14:46:43  <peter1138> mind
14:46:49  <peter1138> shift-backspace liked to kill it
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14:48:01  <Sacro> brb
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14:50:59  <Darkvater> This increases accessibility for the Linux desktop, providing a powerful tool to visually impaired users. Zoom keeps text and images very smooth when magnified.
14:51:05  <Darkvater> yeah smooth my ass
14:55:20  <peter1138> would be nice if it was rerendered
14:55:25  <peter1138> rather than just a scaled bitmap
14:56:04  <Darkvater> yeah
14:56:43  <peter1138> was it just a fuck, just a fuck, just another fuck i say
14:57:09  <TheMask96> rendered images for ottd... would be cool, but very cpu consuming I think...
14:57:28  <peter1138> not openttd :p
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15:01:15  <Jango> oh, Celestar, sorry i haven't got that savegame to you yet
15:01:17  <Jango> been busy :S
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15:06:52  <Darkvater> ugh I lost my window decorations :O
15:09:10  <Sacro> Darkvater: GNOME? switcher?
15:09:12  <Darkvater> gaaah
15:09:15  <Darkvater> no in KDE
15:09:23  <Darkvater> can't type anything into any window :O
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15:09:44  <Sacro> ooh, thast nasty
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15:15:39  <Darkvater> phew window decorations are back
15:15:55  <Darkvater> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2006-05-23 17:11 X -> /usr/X11R6/bin/Xgl
15:15:59  <Darkvater> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2006-05-23 17:13 X -> /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg
15:16:54  <Bjarni> be back in an hour or so
15:16:56  <Bjarni> going home
15:16:59  <Bjarni> I'm done :D
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15:17:21  <Darkvater> 17:15 <Celestar> <= I think peter should fix this for 0.4.8
15:17:24  <Darkvater> 17:16 <Celestar> please poke peter into that :)
15:17:25  <Darkvater> ^^
15:17:28  <Darkvater> there
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15:23:59  <peter1138> what?
15:24:06  <Darkvater> yes
15:24:17  <peter1138> oh
15:24:23  <peter1138> why should i fix a dodgy grf?
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15:25:03  <Darkvater> peter1138: Celestar recommended that the code should not assert, eg be a bit more robust
15:25:22  <peter1138> well
15:25:30  <peter1138> i can make the blitter ignore it
15:25:35  <Darkvater> I suggested perhaps, but perhaps not now as asserts are stripped anyways from releases so as long as ottd doesn't crash it's ok
15:27:04  <ledow> Darkvater: Would that include the asserts in ?
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15:35:07  <[Shaman]> peter1138: If I make a scenario in the mini_IN, would it load (at all) in 0.4.7 (or any other 'standard' releases)
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15:44:38  <JVassie> howdy Buggernaut
15:45:03  <Buggernaut> Howdy
15:45:22  <JVassie>
15:45:30  <JVassie> would anyone like to join the project?
15:45:59  <[Shaman]> That's a brit-thing right?
15:46:11  <[Shaman]> I'll poke a brit then, hang on :P
15:49:17  <Buggernaut> Dont have to be just brits, think of all the foreign people that have used the tube
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15:49:42  <peter1138> [Shaman]: no
15:50:26  <JVassie> come on
15:50:36  <JVassie> theres gotta be some people in here who wanna join ;)
15:50:49  <[Shaman]> peter1138: Same reason as savedgames I presume?
15:51:23  <Buggernaut> What reason is that?
15:51:51  <peter1138> [Shaman]: it *is* a saved game
15:51:58  <[Shaman]> ah
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15:52:00  <[Shaman]> explains
15:52:01  <[Shaman]> cheers
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15:53:07  <Buggernaut> *sighs*
15:54:51  <Darkvater> ledow: yes
15:56:17  <Darkvater> JVassie: "a map of 265x528 in temperate climate" < mapsize not supported
15:56:42  <[Shaman]> I think he meant 256*512 :P
15:56:46  <Buggernaut> Yep, typo on my behalf
15:57:03  <Darkvater> and ttdpatch only has 256x256
15:57:13  <[Shaman]> true
15:57:25  <Buggernaut> Its intended to be built in Openttd though
15:57:26  <[Shaman]> hence, ottd > ttdp (imo)
15:57:43  <[Shaman]> I -so- want to play a 256*2048 map once :p
15:58:01  <Prof_Frink> nah
15:58:05  <peter1138> feh
15:58:11  <peter1138> 64x2048 is where it's at
15:58:19  <Prof_Frink> 64x2048
15:58:22  <Darkvater> I am playing the africa scenario which is 1024x1024 but it is really big though. You don't have a sense of an interconnected network
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15:58:42  <peter1138> i like smaller maps :)
15:58:47  <peter1138> 128x256 or something
15:58:51  <[Shaman]> Darkvater: I only play on 10 or 11 size :P
16:02:46  <webfreakz> JVassie: are your there?
16:02:54  <Buggernaut> He is
16:03:17  <webfreakz> ?
16:03:43  <JVassie> i am
16:03:57  <webfreakz> Jvassie: i saw your .doc and i want to make a note, it's 256x528 and NOT 265x528
16:04:11  <JVassie> lol
16:04:14  <JVassie> 512 you mean?
16:04:23  <JVassie> and btw, its Buggernaut's .doc
16:04:29  <JVassie> he posted it
16:04:32  <JVassie> but were both working on it
16:04:42  <Buggernaut> Darn, and i thought we had a recruit, not another comment on my typo
16:05:37  <Sacro> webfreakz: 512 :)
16:06:03  <hylje> add support for really fucking small maps ?
16:06:12  <hylje> like 1x1
16:06:27  <Buggernaut> ?
16:07:01  <Sacro> hylje: and the point would be?
16:07:05  <Darkvater> peter1138: < here the zoomed in windows look great
16:07:19  <Darkvater> strange that all we got is blown-up pixmaps
16:11:29  <hylje> Sacro: well, really fucking small maps.
16:15:38  <Sacro> lol
16:15:44  <Buggernaut> Can i assume then, that nobody wants to join the project????
16:16:11  <Sacro> what project?
16:16:48  <peter1138> Buggernaut: i wouldn't assume anything after a mere 30 minutes of publicity
16:16:49  <[Shaman]>
16:16:58  <[Shaman]> @Sacro
16:17:19  <Buggernaut> Well, i would after 30 minutes of speaking to actual people
16:17:28  <Buggernaut> surely its wouldnt take 30 minutes to decide
16:17:31  <peter1138> you're speaking to programmers
16:17:32  <Sacro> make me feel like an op, or an instance variable
16:18:00  <peter1138> and people who are at work
16:18:10  <[Shaman]> static string Sacro = "";
16:18:15  <[Shaman]> satisfied?
16:18:17  <Buggernaut> all of you are programmers?
16:18:25  <Sacro> [Shaman]: i was talking ruby :)
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16:18:29  <Tron> orudge: ?
16:18:35  <[Shaman]> Sacro: Don't do ruby, soz.
16:18:43  <[Shaman]> Buggernaut: Most people here are.
16:18:48  <Tron> or anybody else with admin rights in the forums
16:18:52  <Tron> Darkvater?
16:19:11  <Buggernaut> peter1138 is staff, ent he.
16:19:29  <Sacro> peter1138: he's some kind of dev isnt he?
16:19:46  <peter1138> Tron: i've some
16:20:00  <peter1138> Tron: what's up?
16:20:07  <Tron> some thread
16:21:41  <Sacro> [Shaman]: reading now
16:21:50  <peter1138> Buggernaut: you might get a better response with a text file
16:22:24  <Buggernaut> how come?
16:22:58  <peter1138> because not everyone can read word docs
16:23:03  <argonel> or even better, a flat posting in the forum
16:23:16  <peter1138> and not everyone who can will, because they can contain viruses
16:23:27  <orudge> Tron: ?
16:23:32  <Tron> nvm
16:23:32  <Buggernaut> are, okay
16:23:53  <Sacro> Buggernaut: want a nice HTML page?
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16:24:56  <Buggernaut> sure, thanks. Sounds nice
16:25:56  <Sacro> hang on then, ill write one up
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16:28:24  <Darkvater> what was it with tron?
16:28:36  <Sacro> Darkvater: needed a forum admin
16:28:43  <hylje> yay, upgrade to modular xorg seems to work flawlessly
16:29:01  <hylje> gnome just crashed when i attempted to restart
16:29:14  <Darkvater> you should use kde, didn't crash even once
16:29:20  <Sacro> hylje: what distro you in?
16:29:33  <Sacro> Darkvater: ive crashed KDE a few times, never GNOME, except when mucking with XGL
16:31:36  <hylje> actually it didnt work that flawlessly, xorg appears to fail to load some modules
16:31:50  <hylje> but gentoo is not gentoo without problems !
16:32:59  <Sacro> lol
16:33:34  <JVassie> thnx Sacro
16:34:10  <Sacro> JVassie: pour qui?
16:36:13  <JVassie> [17:23] <Sacro> Buggernaut: want a nice HTML page?
16:36:15  <JVassie> :)
16:36:57  <Sacro> JVassie: ahh right :) well its a lot easier than opening it in OOo
16:40:50  <JVassie> yeah
16:40:54  <JVassie> thnx very much
16:41:36  <Buggernaut> tt-forums down again?
16:44:16  <JVassie> duno
16:44:52  <JVassie> not for me
16:46:27  <glx> <Sacro> JVassie: pour qui? <- pour quoi? :)
16:46:38  <webfreakz> Meush?
16:48:46  <Sacro> glx: i have limited french
16:48:58  <peter1138> i have limited english
16:49:20  <glx> I know but I help you to increase your knowledge :)
16:49:27  <Darkvater> I have limited sprites
16:49:54  <Belugas> I have limited wallet
16:50:06  <glx> I have a limited CPU
16:50:17  <Sacro> glx: thanks :) i thought it was only 3 letters, but qui and quo didnt seem right
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17:06:31  <blathijs> 08:51 < Celestar> blathijs: you there? <-- Look at the time, of course I wasn't there!
17:07:05  <blathijs> though I was already underway by train by that time, but I try not be be awake around nine ;-)
17:07:44  <blathijs> Celestar: But I have no time right now, try to poke me again tomorrow morning
17:07:58  <blathijs> Celestar: Or just pose your question/problem and I'll see
17:07:59  <Darkvater> Celestar is away
17:08:48  <blathijs> Darkvater: Then I'll hit his awaylog ;-)
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17:17:37  <peter1138> hmmz
17:18:28  <peter1138> bah
17:18:40  * peter1138 wonders how to handle this
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17:29:53  <Bjarni> longest trip home ever
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17:34:18  <JVassie> cya later all
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17:36:11  <Bjarni> oh, poor timing. I just figured out that I would say something to JVassie :(
17:36:21  <Bjarni> well, it's his loss :p
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17:43:40  <Sacro> hmm, i wanted to speak to JVassie or Buggernaut
17:44:27  <Born_Acorn> I'm the Buggernaut, bitch!
17:44:40  <hylje> no you're Born_Acorn
17:45:13  <Born_Acorn> No, no no. Its a video.
17:45:40  <Born_Acorn> Which has attracted some moderate internet fame.
17:45:46  <MiHaMiX> let's commit
17:45:56  <CIA-3> miham * r4956 /trunk/lang/ (8 files): (log message trimmed)
17:45:56  <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-05-23 19:45:23
17:45:56  <CIA-3> catalan - 29 fixed, 9 changed by jecaro (38)
17:45:56  <CIA-3> czech - 1 fixed by Hadez (1)
17:45:56  <CIA-3> german - 1 fixed by Neonox (1)
17:45:57  <CIA-3> hungarian - 1 fixed by miham (1)
17:45:59  <CIA-3> italian - 1 fixed by sidew (1)
17:46:17  <MiHaMiX> and several others...
17:46:51  <MiHaMiX> norwegian  - 2 fixed by brygge_2 (2)
17:46:51  <MiHaMiX> portuguese - 1 fixed by izhirahider (1)
17:46:51  <MiHaMiX> romanian   - 16 fixed by kneekoo (16)
17:47:11  <MiHaMiX> let's go home
17:47:21  <Bjarni> sorry, I didn't have time to translate
17:47:28  <Bjarni> I had uni stuff to do
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17:53:53  <MeusH[bbl]> hey
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17:53:57  <MeusH> I'm back
17:54:15  <peter1138> oh no!
17:55:37  <Bjarni> they let you out already?
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17:55:49  <MeusH> yes
17:56:02  <MeusH> freedom, eh?
17:56:19  <Bjarni> in the old days, you would have been hung, now you just get a few days in jail o_O
17:56:26  <Bjarni> what have the world become?
17:56:27  <Bjarni> :(
17:57:12  <hylje> forgiving
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17:57:49  <Bjarni> bbl
17:59:46  <Kalpa> What did he do to get few days of jail anyway? :<
18:00:42  <Bjarni> worst crime of them all
18:00:46  <Bjarni> being Polish
18:00:48  * Bjarni hides
18:00:52  <Bjarni> bbl 4 real
18:01:01  <izhirahider> I prefer to translate slow than bad
18:01:05  <Prof_Frink> Nah, if you're polish,. people rub you on their shoes
18:10:44  <Eddi|zuHause2> "Kaum gestohlen schon in Polen?" ;)
18:11:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> (german proverb... usually referring to cars ;))
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18:13:16  <Born_Acorn> wow.
18:13:16  <Born_Acorn>
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18:15:43  <hylje> :x
18:23:38  <Eddi|zuHause2> some trains should be prevented from driving backwards...
18:24:55  <Eddi|zuHause2> or if a train does not have a steering wagon at the other end, it enters a special "shunting mode", which is limited to like 40km/h
18:25:44  <Bjarni> back
18:25:55  <Prof_Frink> top
18:26:17  <Bjarni> shunting backwards is limited to 40, 25 or 5 km/h, depending on location and situation
18:26:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> bikini
18:26:21  <CIA-3> KUDr * r4957 /branch/yapf/ (15 files in 2 dirs): [YAPF] Codechange: Removed non-standard Save/Load of YAPF settings introduced in r4948.
18:26:27  <Bjarni> yes, sometimes the limit is 5 km/h
18:26:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> well... we can't have too many options ;)
18:26:59  <Bjarni> 5 km/h in OTTD is near nothing
18:27:05  <Bjarni> so I would go for 40 km/h
18:27:21  <Bjarni> even though that is actually rather fast in real life
18:27:27  <Prof_Frink> what's that in real money? 25mph?
18:27:36  <XeryusTC> <- that one is really good :D
18:27:36  <Bjarni> lol
18:27:48  <Eddi|zuHause2> /1.6 Prof_Frink
18:28:03  <Prof_Frink> 40/1.6 = 25 ;)
18:28:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> "if you give a man a fish, he has food for a day, if you show him how to fish, he has food for his life"
18:28:54  <Prof_Frink> Nonono
18:29:07  <Prof_Frink> "if you give a man a fish, he has food for a day, if you show him how to fish, you lose your monopoly on fish"
18:29:33  <Eddi|zuHause2> besides of that... i cannot calculate anyway ;)
18:30:17  <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: like 40/1.6 = 237?
18:30:31  <Eddi|zuHause2> showing someone how to fish does not necessarily require me to be able to fish myself
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18:30:54  <Bjarni> wow, Born_Acorn found a nice link
18:30:59  <Bjarni> MB did it again
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18:31:13  <Eddi|zuHause2> actually, 40/1.6 is not that difficult, because you can derive it from powers of 2
18:31:33  <Prof_Frink> 40 kph -> mph is simple
18:31:38  <Prof_Frink> 40 is 8 x 5
18:31:43  <Prof_Frink> 5 x 5 = 25
18:32:00  <Born_Acorn> Bjarni, and just after you disproved such things. :p
18:32:24  <Bjarni> I didn't disproofed it. I said that it's not simple to do
18:32:37  <Born_Acorn> Well yes, of course..
18:32:41  <Born_Acorn> -.
18:32:42  <Bjarni> it's not impossible
18:32:53  <Bjarni> also, something is only impossible until somebody does it
18:33:05  <Born_Acorn> What about eating themselves.
18:33:13  <Born_Acorn> Every bit.
18:33:21  <Born_Acorn> with no tools or cutlery.
18:33:31  <Bjarni> hmm
18:33:48  <Bjarni> ever heard of a temporal paradox and time shifting?
18:34:14  <Born_Acorn> But naturally occuring time travel may be impossible!
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18:34:28  <Born_Acorn> and the Dalorean car company went bust.
18:35:32  <Prof_Frink> Yeah, ans police boxen are hard to find these days
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20:59:08  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r4965 /trunk/newgrf.c: - NewGRF: add support for action 0x06 (modify sprite data) for pseudo sprites
20:59:28  <KUDr> hmm: "ini: trailing characters at end of setting 'lan_internet'"
20:59:44  <KUDr> what it does mean?
21:00:01  <peter1138> i means someone changed the lan_internet setting from bool -> int
21:00:05  <peter1138> i don't know who that was....
21:00:31  <KUDr> hmm
21:00:41  <KUDr> it was not there
21:02:21  <KUDr> aha! false -> 0
21:02:27  <KUDr> understand
21:02:39  <Sacro> i thought true -> 0?
21:02:40  <KUDr> i tested it without .cfg before...
21:02:56  <KUDr> heh
21:03:23  <Bjarni> hey, I got 1337 posts
21:04:36  <Sacro> Bjarni: nice one :)
21:04:39  <Eddi|zuHause> y00 4r3 s00 üb3r1337, 8j4rn1
21:04:57  <Eddi|zuHause> hm...
21:04:59  <Eddi|zuHause> i suck at this ;)
21:05:24  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: n00b :P
21:05:39  <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: I have no idea what you just said
21:06:03  <Eddi|zuHause> fine ;)
21:06:08  <Sacro> UTF-8 l33t :D
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21:06:55  <Bjarni> btw I once said I would ban the next guy to use l33t in here and then everybody stopped, so Eddi|zuHause ended up being the next one
21:07:14  <Eddi|zuHause> err...
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21:07:26  <Belugas_Gone> bye boys and girls
21:07:31  <Bjarni> bye Belugas_Gone
21:07:51  <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: now is your time to make up for it
21:07:53  <Belugas_Gone> Sweet dreams Bjarni :)
21:08:00  <Bjarni> what can you offer for not being banned?
21:08:18  <Eddi|zuHause> hm...
21:08:21  <Eddi|zuHause> i could...
21:08:29  <Bjarni> Belugas_Gone: well, one thing is for sure: I will sleep rather nicely tonight :D
21:08:30  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: hide?
21:08:32  <Eddi|zuHause> RUN
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21:08:39  <Bjarni> ...
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21:08:50  <Sacro> well, that woks
21:08:53  <Eddi|zuHause> ;)
21:08:54  <Sacro> *works
21:09:15  <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: I meant for OTTD
21:10:04  <Bjarni> hmm
21:10:09  <Eddi|zuHause> well... i found at least a dozen bugs ;)
21:10:48  <Bjarni> when you can remember that you once wrote a patch, committed it, but have forgotten how it works internally and in what c file it is in, is that a sign of aging?
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21:11:02  <CIA-3> KUDr * r4966 /branch/yapf/ (102 files in 7 dirs): Sync with trunk (4831:4965)
21:11:14  <MeusH> cya
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21:12:55  <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: it is not worse than forgetting where you put the remote control 20 times a day
21:13:07  <Bjarni> oh, I do that as well
21:13:09  <Bjarni> :p
21:13:29  <Bjarni> ok, maybe not 20, but sometimes it happens more than once
21:13:45  <Bjarni> specially on busy days with a lot of phone calls and stuff like that
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21:13:53  <Eddi|zuHause> then you have quite a problem, i fear ;)
21:14:07  <Bjarni> what problem?
21:14:12  <Bjarni> I forgot :/
21:14:24  <Eddi|zuHause> :p
21:15:06  <Eddi|zuHause> What was Dr. Alzheimers first name? ;)
21:15:23  <Bjarni> hmmm
21:15:30  <Bjarni> somehow that slipped my mind
21:15:38  <Eddi|zuHause> see... that's how it starts ;)
21:15:48  <Bjarni> I didn't forget it
21:15:53  <Bjarni> I just can't remember it right now
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21:17:36  <Bjarni> btw now I know where and how I did that patch
21:17:45  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i hate german TV...
21:17:50  <Bjarni> it's downright simple, so I didn't bother to remember it
21:18:02  <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause>	hm... i hate german TV... <--- me too
21:18:16  <Bjarni> they speak some strange ununderstandable language :p
21:18:18  <Eddi|zuHause> they showed exactly 1 season of the sopranos...
21:18:21  * Bjarni hides
21:18:33  <Hallo> ^^
21:18:54  <Eddi|zuHause> which means i have to catch up almost 5 seasons now...
21:19:19  <Bjarni> oh, Danish TV showed 'Allo 'Allo... all seasons except the last one and they planned it like that from the very beginning
21:19:40  <Eddi|zuHause> lol ;)
21:19:51  <Eddi|zuHause> (not that i would know what kind of show that is)
21:19:53  <Sacro> hehe, Allo Allo is brilliant
21:20:05  <Bjarni> yeah
21:20:19  <Sacro> though probably quite racist to others
21:21:28  <Bjarni> like the British agent craptree, who says the strangest things... like people in Britain can't speak :p
21:21:43  <Bjarni> I think he was named craptree or crabtree or something like that
21:21:53  <Eddi|zuHause> "In Deutschland ist die Serie leider noch nicht gelaufen.
21:21:54  <Eddi|zuHause> "
21:22:01  <Sacro> crabtree
21:22:03  <Eddi|zuHause> you see... another thing ;)
21:22:22  <Bjarni> it would have been even funnier if it were craptree :p
21:22:26  <Sacro> in germany, there is a hmmm...
21:22:38  <Sacro> good moaning :)
21:23:20  <Eddi|zuHause> ?
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21:23:52  <Bjarni> actually I don't think any German TV station will ever send it. The German officers tries to hide valuables from Hitler to gain personal wealth after the war
21:24:02  <Bjarni> [23:22] 	<Sacro>	good moaning :)
21:24:02  <Bjarni> [23:23] 	<Eddi|zuHause>	?
21:24:15  <Bjarni> clearly Eddi|zuHause is missing out on all the fun here :p
21:25:12  <Eddi|zuHause> i get that feeling also ;)
21:25:14  <Bjarni> that show had one bad thing though: you have to be good at English to get a lot of the jokes as they aren't translateable
21:26:04  <Bjarni> if you thought that translating OTTD was hard, wait until you get to translate 'Allo 'Allo without losing the points in all the jokes
21:26:58  <Sacro> I dont think you could
21:27:32  <Eddi|zuHause> that is a problem with a lot of shows...
21:27:38  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: unless you have a really good sense of humour, you'd probably see it as racist
21:28:01  * Eddi|zuHause searchifies
21:28:03  <Bjarni> specially this one because more than half of the jokes are based on word playing (more than one meaning and so on)
21:28:27  <Sacro> im looking for somewhere to get it, ive only found it in polish :(
21:28:37  <Bjarni> lol
21:29:02  <Sacro> Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once
21:29:40  <Eddi|zuHause> on an average tv show, at least 25% of the jokes are not translated at all, and another 25% do not get translated properly
21:29:56  <Bjarni> this reminds me. I read that they wanted to make Faulty towers in German with German actors. They didn't really know how to make the episode "The Germans" though since it was all about Basil blaming some German tourists for starting WW2 :D
21:30:28  <Sacro> hehe
21:30:28  <Bjarni> somehow that joke is not as good when the remake takes place in Germany
21:30:42  <Sacro> "Yes you did! You invaded Poland"
21:31:02  <Sacro> Bjarni: what people dont actaully realise, thats only about 2 minutes of the episode
21:31:31  <Bjarni> John Clese got the idea when they were at a hotel like that with a crazy manager
21:32:12  <Bjarni> even from the beginning, it made problems. He thought the Monty Python guys had a bomb in their suitcase and threw it as far away as he could
21:32:26  <Sacro> yeah, and there are people who thought it was a documentory
21:32:37  <Bjarni> he did some other obscene stuff as well, but I forgot the rest
21:33:28  <Bjarni> I bet the Monty Python guys still remember though :D
21:34:10  <Sacro> Monty Python is fantastic
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21:49:20  <CIA-3> bjarni * r4967 /trunk/vehicle.c:
21:49:20  <CIA-3> -Fix: [clone vehicles] a cloned train engine heads the same way as the original (pointed out by bobingabout)
21:49:20  <CIA-3>  [autoreplace] the same applies to autoreplaced trains if the engine is a single unit (not dualheaded or articulated)
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21:51:20  <Sacro> Bjarni: must you give bobingabout credit :(
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21:51:55  <Bjarni> for once, he actually did something good
21:52:05  <Bjarni> the question is if/when it will happen again
21:52:45  <Bjarni> also he just pointed it out, he didn't actually do anything about it except talking about it
21:52:54  <Sacro> Bjarni: ive known him 6 years, it doesnt happen often
21:53:09  <Bjarni> you are related?
21:53:24  <Bjarni> hmm
21:53:26  <Bjarni> maybe not
21:53:31  <Bjarni> it's only 6 years
21:53:34  <Sacro> no, i went to college with him
21:53:40  <Bjarni> or maybe he IS 6 years
21:53:42  <Bjarni> old
21:53:52  <Sacro> nope he is 22
21:53:53  <Bjarni> o_O
21:54:00  <Bjarni> you went to college???
21:54:06  <XeryusTC> lol
21:54:09  <Bjarni> bobingabout went to college???
21:54:21  <Sacro> i failed he passed
21:54:33  <Bjarni> O_o
21:54:41  <Bjarni> bobingabout passed???
21:54:50  <Bjarni> what a mean bastard
21:54:50  <Sacro> yup
21:54:54  <Bjarni> no wonder you hate him
21:54:55  <Bjarni> :p
21:55:17  <Sacro> he drives me mad
21:55:58  <Bjarni> well, so far he did a great job at that
21:56:06  <Sacro> true
21:56:57  <Bjarni> what did he do, that is so horrible?
21:57:01  <Bjarni> besides passing
21:58:14  <Bjarni> thought so
21:58:20  <Sacro> he's just a pain
21:59:38  <Bjarni> remember what master Yoda said
22:00:01  <Bjarni> anger leads to pain, pain leads to suffering
22:00:11  <Bjarni> no, that's not it
22:00:28  <Bjarni> anger leads to hatred, hatred leads to pain, pain leads to suffering
22:00:32  <Bjarni> that's it
22:00:40  <XeryusTC> i think that it was something like: force may the you with
22:00:47  <Bjarni> that too
22:00:55  <Sacro> well im full of anger and hate, and i am suffering
22:01:11  <Bjarni> and you talked about pain regarding bobingabout
22:01:17  <XeryusTC> Sacro: you could do 3 things, 1. forget it 2. kill him 3. commit suicide
22:01:21  <Bjarni> Yoda was right
22:01:24  <XeryusTC> i would advice that you do the first 1
22:01:36  <Bjarni> XeryusTC: do not say such a thing
22:01:46  <XeryusTC> Bjarni: ok
22:01:48  <Bjarni> Sacro might decide on 3
22:01:57  <Bjarni> he is not like us
22:02:11  <XeryusTC> no he wont, i would kick his ass then
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22:02:51  * Sacro does like 3
22:02:56  <Bjarni> see
22:03:01  * XeryusTC kicks Sacro's ass
22:04:22  <XeryusTC> Sacro: you're not a goth or emo, are you?
22:06:27  <Bjarni> wtf is emo?
22:06:34  <Bjarni> not to mention goth
22:07:43  <XeryusTC> emo is something that we call breezahs around here
22:07:52  <XeryusTC> and goth is just short for gothic
22:08:07  <Bjarni> what is breezahs and gothic?
22:08:49  <XeryusTC> a breezah is something that you dont want to know
22:08:54  <XeryusTC> and you know what gothic is
22:09:12  <Bjarni> hmm
22:09:22  <Bjarni> not really, but maybe I don't want to know
22:10:50  <XeryusTC> anyways
22:10:53  <XeryusTC> im off to bed
22:11:05  <XeryusTC> cya guys later
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22:11:22  <Sacro> back
22:11:23  <Xeryus|agoodnigh> stupid server
22:11:26  *** Xeryus|agoodnigh is now known as Xeryus|sleep
22:11:36  <Sacro> Xeryus|sleep: im not goth or emo
22:11:55  <Xeryus|sleep> good
22:11:58  <Xeryus|sleep> but im off now
22:12:23  <Sacro> Xeryus|sleep: night
22:13:08  <Bjarni> Sacro: then what are you?
22:13:26  <Bjarni> I mean, if you are not goth, emo or vampire, then what's left for your type?
22:13:28  <Sacro> Bjarni: im just a geek with depression
22:13:44  <Bjarni> hmm
22:13:55  <Bjarni> most of us left the depression in the 30s
22:14:13  <Sacro> well im back in it
22:14:32  <Bjarni> <-- I guess I better do that in OTTD as well
22:15:44  <Sacro> Bjarni: DO THAT NOW :D
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22:16:12  <Xeryus|sleep> shit, i cant leave this place :(
22:16:35  <Sacro> Xeryus|sleep: its addicting
22:16:37  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	Bjarni: DO THAT NOW :D <-- why should I take orders from a depressed geek?
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22:17:05  <Bjarni> Sacro: <-- you saw that I made this one a long time ago, right?
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22:18:26  <Sacro> Bjarni: i know where you live :)
22:18:44  <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah i saw that pic
22:19:00  <Bjarni> you know where I live?
22:19:01  <Xeryus|sleep> im really off now
22:19:04  <Xeryus|sleep> cya guys
22:19:14  <Bjarni> Xeryus|sleep: why should we trust you this time?
22:19:18  <Bjarni> :p
22:19:31  <Xeryus|sleep> because im telling the thruth
22:19:45  <Xeryus|sleep> shit
22:19:49  <Sacro> if we see you again in 2 minutes we will know your lying
22:19:51  <Xeryus|sleep> that proves Bjarni's point
22:19:57  <Xeryus|sleep> im off
22:20:31  <Bjarni> he will be back
22:20:47  <Sacro> yep
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22:24:02  <Sacro> grr im confused
22:26:18  <Bjarni> I fail to see the news value in that line
22:26:31  <Bjarni> which means it's a waste of bandwidth :p
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22:28:03  <Sacro> hmm
22:28:16  <Sacro> [23:19:51] <Bjarni> :p <- and that was useful?
22:30:15  <Bjarni> yeah
22:30:22  <Sacro> to whom?
22:30:32  <Bjarni> it's short and it actually  contains a message
22:30:48  <glx> I prefer :P
22:31:04  <Bjarni> it said that I don't think he will keep his word
22:31:05  <glx> because it displays a smiley in my irc client :)
22:31:12  <Bjarni> :P
22:31:35  <Bjarni> ok, I can't tell a big difference, but if you say so, I can change it to :P
22:31:46  <glx> and I'm too lazy to add :p
22:32:51  <Sacro> lol
22:33:36  <Sacro> think i might rewrite the wiki page for eclipse
22:34:46  <Sacro> it doesnt actually tell you how to set it up
22:39:48  <Sacro> anyone around?
22:40:43  * Sacro finds Allo Allo on tv
22:44:24  <Born_Acorn> Newstations wiki page!
22:49:41  <Sacro> Born_Acorn: you want?
22:50:38  <Born_Acorn> Yes.
22:50:45  <Sacro> Born_Acorn: maybe later
22:51:03  * Born_Acorn nods, as if poorly trained in the art of English and from an Eastern Country
22:51:06  <Born_Acorn> PLS.
22:51:10  <Born_Acorn> etc.
22:53:42  <Sacro> psst, it is I, 'eclerc
22:53:57  <Sacro> Born_Acorn: your just poorly trained
22:54:18  <Born_Acorn> PLS teach english
22:54:21  <Born_Acorn> PLS
22:54:33  <Born_Acorn> etc etc.
22:54:50  <Born_Acorn> I have had three emails from .ru adresses like that.
22:54:54  <Sacro> lol
22:55:02  <Born_Acorn> "Give download to stations. PLS"
22:55:24  <Born_Acorn> Which is why I was happy when I stopped recieving emails!
22:57:30  <Sacro> lol
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