Log for #openttd on 10th June 2006:
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00:08:23  <Hackykid> hmm, what does "Smooth economy 5147             in MiniIN" do?
00:11:07  <RichK67> it controls how responsive the industries are to your service level
00:11:21  <RichK67> at a high setting, it can increase a LOT
00:11:48  <RichK67> so a 144 coal may be 2000+ after 50 years of service
00:11:51  <Hackykid> aah, i see the setting for it now
00:11:58  <Sacro> ooh
00:12:10  <Hackykid> let tune it down a bit
00:12:25  <Hackykid> my network will be crammed with trains already without that heh
00:13:22  <Hackykid> i indeed noticed some thingies almost doubling prod in a 10 year period or so
00:13:29  <Hackykid> way too easy :-p
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00:14:33  <Sacro> grr, #winehq is dead
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00:21:01  <CIA-3> richk * r5208 /branch/MiniIN/ (28 files in 6 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk: 5186-5203.
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00:49:17  <glx> [D]Shaman: so you can close the server :)
00:49:22  <Sacro> hmm
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00:50:11  <[D]Shaman> glx: nah, going to leave it running
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00:50:19  <[D]Shaman> It's supposed to be running non-stop anyways
00:50:41  <Eddi|zuHause> get brianettas autopilot
00:50:56  <Eddi|zuHause> for pause on no players and stuff
00:50:57  <RichK67> cya all
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00:51:15  <[D]Shaman> Eddi|zuHause: Eh, twas a test if it worked :P
00:51:20  <[D]Shaman> so i'm going to leave it running
00:51:25  <[D]Shaman> if it crashes I'll find out tomorrow
00:51:31  <[D]Shaman> and inform RichK of it
00:51:33  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, sure...
00:51:40  <Eddi|zuHause> i mean in the future
00:51:50  * [D]Shaman nods
00:51:54  <[D]Shaman> on my to-do list yeh :p
00:52:03  <[D]Shaman> I'll be running a Dedicated MiniIN server soon
00:53:39  <Eddi|zuHause> btw... it's impressive that none of my code changes caused desync
00:55:12  <[D]Shaman> heh
00:55:41  <[D]Shaman> planes make awesome profit
00:55:43  <[D]Shaman> :P
00:55:56  <Eddi|zuHause> most of them should be just visual... like catenary height, and no fences
00:56:11  <Eddi|zuHause> but i have lost overview what is actually changed where
00:56:21  <Eddi|zuHause> in which ottd version i have
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01:01:19  <[D]Shaman> my plane profits went from 0 to 100k to now 450k
01:01:40  <Eddi|zuHause> i should check mine ;)
01:01:55  <[D]Shaman> 186k
01:02:17  <[D]Shaman> ooo desync?
01:02:48  <[D]Shaman> again
01:02:56  <Eddi|zuHause> fun...
01:04:24  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm trying a clean compile
01:05:30  <Eddi|zuHause> taking forever...
01:06:21  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: dont worry, im sat compiling mingw
01:06:26  <Eddi|zuHause> ah... i know
01:06:30  <Eddi|zuHause> wrong .cfg
01:06:42  <Sacro> compiler compiling takes aaaaaages
01:09:39  <XeryusTC> compiling yapf takes ages o_O
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01:12:13  <Sacro> hmmm,im sure binutils has run ./configure 3 times
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01:14:57  <[D]Shaman> now 700k will probably end up at 750k at end of year
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02:28:17  <Hagbard_Ub> Right channel :D
02:29:56  <Sacro> Hagbard_Ub: sure?
02:30:03  <Hagbard_Ub> Yes... :D
02:30:25  <Hagbard_Ub> I'm trying to get my dedicated server to work...
02:30:27  <Sacro> err...good on ya :D
02:30:31  <Sacro> ahh fun
02:30:40  <Hagbard_Ub> got it to load the right scenario... so i think i got it...
02:32:05  <Hagbard_Ub> time for bed
02:32:07  <Hagbard_Ub> nite
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05:37:47  <arex> Hi :) What influences what actions are availibe in the local  authority section?
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06:11:58  <Noldo> size of the town atleast
06:12:21  <arex> aha, thank you
06:12:42  <arex> how can i get a town to build a bank faster? (except for making it bigger)
06:31:54  <CIA-3> tron * r5209 /branch/bridge/docs/ (landscape.html landscape_grid.html): Update the documentation about bridges
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07:20:49  <peter1138> morning
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07:57:57  <MiHaMiX> morning? bahh :D
07:58:23  <Noldo> morning
07:59:35  <MiHaMiX> it's 10:00am here
07:59:42  <Noldo> 11 here
08:00:56  <MiHaMiX> well, the main problem that in hungarian the morning only refers to that time interval of the day which ands at 9:00 am
08:01:07  <MiHaMiX> s/ands/ends/
08:01:25  <Noldo> oh
08:01:46  <Noldo> my wife and I have different view of what afternoon means
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08:02:29  <MiHaMiX> afterwards (before 12:00) is called beforenoon ('délelõtt') :)
08:03:04  <Noldo> in finnish the word for afternoon is nightday :D
08:03:12  <MiHaMiX> :))
08:04:07  <Tefad> interesting
08:04:08  <MiHaMiX> afternoon is délután, which ends at 18:00 :)
08:04:20  <Noldo> and I think it's from noon to the time when night starts
08:04:36  <Tefad> afternoon is 12- 16~18 for me
08:04:36  <Noldo> which is somewhere 17-18
08:04:37  <MiHaMiX> after that (evening = este), which ends at 22:00
08:05:01  <Tefad> evening ends at 00
08:05:13  <MiHaMiX> 22:00 - 06:00 is night (éjszaka)
08:05:32  <Noldo> to my wife nightday starts about 1400 and ends somewhere 18-19
08:05:33  <Tefad> some say morning is 00-12
08:05:40  <MiHaMiX> 06:00-09:00 is morning (reggel)
08:05:47  <Tefad> though morning for most is 03-12
08:06:04  <Tefad> night is 21-03 or so
08:06:23  <MiHaMiX> Tefad: so you're usually get up at around 03:00? :)
08:06:37  <Tefad> no but if i'm awake then i'll refer to it as morning
08:06:41  <Tefad> or late night
08:06:45  <Tefad> just depends on mood.
08:07:04  <MiHaMiX> :D
08:07:31  <Noldo> but basically it means we can't use the word nightday when talking to each other
08:07:39  <Noldo> or rather 'iltapäivä'
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08:25:54  <anboni> so since bridges got removed from trunk again recently, did they get removed from MiniIN too?
08:32:09  <iridium`nh> 'removed' ?
08:32:19  <iridium`nh> are they completely disabled?
08:32:50  <MiHaMiX> iridium`nh: no, just they undo the merge from bridge branch
08:33:25  <MiHaMiX> s/just they/they just/;s/from/with/
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08:34:31  <MiHaMiX> ehh, headache again..
08:34:49  <MiHaMiX> bbl
08:36:04  <anboni> guess my question doesnt even matter much.. MiniIN doesnt want to load a savegame from my patched trunk game :(
08:37:48  <CIA-3> tron * r5210 /trunk/ (44 files in 6 dirs): Many small changes which piled up: const, unsigned, variable scope, CSE for readability, DeMorgan, if cascades -> switch, whitespace, parentheses, bracing, misc.
08:45:54  <peter1138> our coding guidelines still say const Player *p, not const Player* p
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08:48:32  <Hackykid> what is CSE if i might ask?
08:49:46  <Tron> Common Subexpression Elimination
08:49:57  <Hackykid> aah
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09:45:47  <CIA-3> tron * r5211 /trunk/lang/ (24 files in 2 dirs): Remove stray minus after colon, i.e. :- -> : (in one case even a stray colon)
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09:48:17  <CIA-3> tron * r5212 /trunk/lang/unfinished/afrikaans.txt: Afrikaans can be encoded in ISO8859-15, there's no need to make it unusable by encoding it in UTF-8
09:49:31  <MiHaMiX> Tron: it's the last time I ask you: don't do any changes on languages unless you contacted me _before_
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09:50:53  <Tron> the last time i contacted you about some changes and you commited them unchecked, so what?
09:52:14  <CIA-3> miham * r5213 /trunk/lang/unfinished/afrikaans.txt: [languages] reverted last change from tron
09:52:47  <MiHaMiX> Tron: there are certain changes which must be done from WT2
09:53:25  <Tron> do NOT revert my changes
09:53:58  <Tron> i explicitly changed the ISO tag in the file
09:54:02  <MiHaMiX> do not commit before my approval.
09:54:02  <Tron> that has to be enough
09:54:06  <Tron> the svn is the primary data source
09:54:15  <MiHaMiX> Tron: you know nothing about the internal state of wt2.
09:54:26  <Tron> everything else is below and has to work with the data from it
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09:55:04  <Tron> ok, that was not funny
09:55:32  <Tron> i didn't insult you, i didn't use improper language, etc.
09:55:39  <Tron> explain the reason for your action
09:56:04  <CIA-3> miham * r5214 /trunk/lang/unfinished/afrikaans.txt: [languages] Re-done afrikaans change, this time proper
09:56:34  <MiHaMiX> Tron: wt2 was unable to parse the changes you made, since it's internal languages table contained UTF8 encoding for afrikaans language
09:56:49  <MiHaMiX> Tron: that's why I asked you not to commit languages before my approval
09:57:12  <MiHaMiX> Tron: last time when I simply committed your proposed changes there was no such change which endangered WT2
09:57:13  <Tron> super change
09:57:14  <Tron> really good
09:57:20  <Tron> it's EXACTLY the same change i did
09:57:27  <Tron> two totally useless commits
09:57:35  <MiHaMiX> Tron: yes, but BEFORE i commited, I changed the DB
09:57:41  <Tron> then change the internal table of yours
09:57:42  <MiHaMiX> Tron: so that WT2 is able to parse it again.
09:57:48  <MiHaMiX> Tron: I already changed.
09:57:59  <MiHaMiX> Tron: you're so heavy minded today...
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09:58:20  <MiHaMiX> Tron: I must change the DB _before_ the change on SVN takes place
09:58:36  <MiHaMiX> Tron: otherwise WT2 can't follow the changes
09:58:46  <anboni> Tron, those two useless commits could've been prevented if you took your change through the proper channels.. (and that useless and uncalled for ban would've been prevented as well :) )
09:59:17  <anboni> s/ban/kick/
09:59:20  <MiHaMiX> Tron: OTOH, afrikaans is still in unfinished, so noone can use it just because it's iso8859-5
09:59:23  <MiHaMiX> Tron: OTOH, afrikaans is still in unfinished, so noone can use it just because it's iso8859-15
09:59:42  <MiHaMiX> Tron: and by the time afrikaans will be ready every language will use utf8
09:59:57  <MiHaMiX> Tron: so the _whole_ idea behind your commit was wrong.
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10:06:28  <MiHaMiX> Tron: moreover, FYI: WT2 has been fixed yesterday, so that no more {STRINGn} problem should occur.
10:07:14  <MiHaMiX> Tron: WT2 missed that particular code which should prevent wrong {STRINGn} commands, but yesterday I've implemented that
10:13:24  <Tron> you're talking about some not-yet existing future
10:13:41  <Tron> afrikaans can be used right now if it's in iso8859-15
10:14:13  <Tron> on the other hand nobody can test it when it's in UTF-8, except if he uses an unfinished development branch
10:14:36  <Tron> so the _whole_ idea behind my commit was correct
10:15:38  <MiHaMiX> Tron: so? could you please show me how can one use afrikaans with the latest nightly?
10:15:52  <MiHaMiX> Tron: assuming nightly will made of the latest revision now.
10:16:41  <MiHaMiX> Tron: unfinished languages are not available tu users because they are unfinished.
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10:18:40  <Tron> just use strgen
10:18:55  <Tron> it's in releases, not sure about nightlies, but if it's not there, it's a bug
10:18:55  <MiHaMiX> Tron: yes, but nightlies doesn't include that.
10:19:19  <peter1138> that requires the txt files. which also aren't in the nightlies
10:19:25  <Tron> at least now there's a way for a translator to see it in-game, before there wasn't
10:19:38  <Tron> peter1138: the translator can download a full .txt via WT2
10:19:58  <Tron> i have to go now, bbl
10:19:59  <MiHaMiX> Tron: the translator will be able to download the generated .lng file as well (just not yet)
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10:46:10  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5215 /branch/utf8/string.c: [utf8] Make str_validate() utf8 aware
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10:56:50  <Sacro> afternoon all
10:57:13  <[D]Shaman> lo
10:57:32  <Magus_X> Hey, Sacro: hi
10:57:39  <Magus_X> here is morning
10:57:40  <Magus_X> 07:57:36
10:58:00  <Hagbard_Ub> OMFG...
10:58:26  <Hagbard_Ub> The load -g "scenario/sweclockers3.scn" isn't that correct?
10:58:31  <[D]Shaman> 12:58
10:58:41  <Magus_X> :)
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10:59:17  <Hagbard_Ub> anyone know?
10:59:38  <Hagbard_Ub> it's load -g "scenario/map.scn" right?
10:59:40  <Magus_X> no idea
10:59:47  <[D]Shaman> from the console?
10:59:53  <Hagbard_Ub> yeha
10:59:57  <[D]Shaman> try
11:00:00  <[D]Shaman> load map.scn
11:00:03  <[D]Shaman> or 'load map'
11:00:28  <Hagbard_Ub> no such file/directory
11:00:34  <[D]Shaman> eh
11:00:40  <Hagbard_Ub> i'm in the openttd directory'
11:00:44  <[D]Shaman> 'ls' , check number of the scenario folder
11:00:47  <[D]Shaman> cd <number>
11:00:55  <[D]Shaman> ls, check number of map.scn
11:00:58  <[D]Shaman> load <number>
11:01:31  <Hagbard_Ub> but ls only check directories
11:02:07  <Hagbard_Ub> not files
11:02:13  <Hackykid> hmm, it does here?
11:02:25  <Hagbard_Ub> are you on 0.4.7 then?
11:02:44  <Hackykid> ah, nope
11:03:04  <Hagbard_Ub> i am
11:05:10  * Sacro is confused
11:05:27  <Hagbard_Ub> You on Windows or Linux or anything else?
11:05:56  <Hackykid> windows hete
11:05:59  <Hackykid> *here
11:06:04  <[D]Shaman> win32.
11:06:04  <Hagbard_Ub> kk
11:06:08  <Hagbard_Ub> linux <3
11:06:11  <[D]Shaman> it checks both files and directories.
11:06:15  <[D]Shaman> even on linux
11:06:19  <[D]Shaman> since my server does.
11:06:21  <Hagbard_Ub> not 0.4.7
11:06:28  <[D]Shaman> then.. upgrade?
11:06:38  <Hagbard_Ub> but i wan't the latest stable
11:06:48  <[D]Shaman> the latest nightly is pretty stable to me
11:06:55  <Hagbard_Ub> and all friends i play against has that
11:06:56  <Hackykid> its indeed weird in my 4.7 too
11:07:07  <Sacro> Hackykid: 4.7?
11:07:15  <Hagbard_Ub> Sacro, 0.4.7
11:07:20  <Hackykid> 0.4.7
11:07:29  <Hackykid> hmm, it does show savegames with ls
11:07:34  <Hackykid> but not scenarios
11:07:48  <[D]Shaman> Hagbard_Ub: make them all compile the latest miniIN nightly and play that :o
11:08:03  <Hagbard_Ub> [D]Shaman, nope
11:08:09  <Hagbard_Ub> better to use the 0.4.7
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11:08:29  <Hackykid> try renaming the scenario to .sav? :-p
11:08:51  <Hackykid> well, it might even work
11:09:04  <DarkSSH> he so what was revision 5212-5214? :)
11:09:23  <DarkSSH> orudge: ah that's a nice amount, thanks for sorting it out :)
11:09:41  <Tron> DarkSSH: much ado about nothing
11:09:48  <Hackykid> indeed
11:09:52  <Tron> DarkSSH: they're bitwise identical
11:10:17  <DarkSSH> I love the commit message though
11:10:28  <DarkSSH> Re-done afrikaans change, this time proper" < hehe
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11:11:00  <Hackykid> very proper! and still exactly the same!
11:11:11  <DarkSSH> hilrs
11:11:14  <DarkSSH> hlrs
11:11:16  <peter1138> different things behind the scenes
11:11:52  <Sacro> right, caught up with the forum
11:12:05  <Tron> from the svn point of view (which is the only important) it's totally useless
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11:12:24  <Sacro> Tron: but i suppose it kept you amused for a while?
11:12:40  <DarkSSH> SGP: Oranje-gekte stoort kerkdiensten ^_^
11:12:56  <DarkSSH> no I think r 5214 is the proper one
11:12:58  <DarkSSH> reasons?
11:13:02  <Qball> it should be forbidden
11:13:08  <DarkSSH> 1. 5214 is a better number than 5212
11:13:15  <DarkSSH> 2. the commit message says it's proper so it must be
11:13:34  <Qball> 3. it's fun to confuse
11:13:45  <DarkSSH> 4. It's Saturday
11:13:56  <Qball> 5. It's hot outside
11:14:37  <DarkSSH> 6. 6
11:14:44  <Qball> 6
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11:15:49  <Tron> Darkvater: are you working on the terraform problem?
11:15:53  <valhalla1zzw> lol Darkvater
11:15:57  <valhalla1zzw> kill the SGP :p
11:16:17  <Darkvater> Tron: yes, hopefully. See there are some complications
11:16:23  <Darkvater> 1. it's my sister's Birthday today
11:16:29  <hylje> 2. o rly?
11:16:32  <Darkvater> 2. England's gonna play at 3PM
11:16:34  <valhalla1zzw> 3. pics
11:16:35  <valhalla1zzw> 4. specs
11:16:39  <Darkvater> 3. we're going out tonight
11:16:44  * Darkvater slaps valhalla1zzw
11:16:47  <valhalla1zzw> :D
11:16:51  <Magus_X> [Darkvater]: hey
11:16:55  <Qball> 5. age?
11:16:57  <Magus_X> its England vs ?
11:16:58  <Darkvater> she's probably too old for ya
11:17:02  <Darkvater> paraguay
11:17:06  <Magus_X> pff
11:17:07  <valhalla1zzw> so what, pics!
11:17:09  <Magus_X> 4x1 england
11:17:09  <Magus_X> :
11:17:10  <Magus_X> :D
11:17:16  <SpComb> There be SSH
11:17:20  <Magus_X> the final will be England vs Brazil
11:17:25  <Darkvater> lolz
11:17:29  <Magus_X> same chances
11:17:32  <Magus_X> for both team
11:17:33  <Darkvater> she's 24 btw o/
11:17:40  <peter1138> too young
11:17:42  <Magus_X> at least it is what they are saying on my school
11:17:51  * Magus_X 16
11:18:19  <Qball> DV: well that isn't to old
11:18:20  <Darkvater> peter1138: we know YOU like old women ^^
11:18:25  <valhalla1zzw> yesterday there was free beer at school :9
11:18:30  <peter1138> ;p
11:18:31  <Darkvater> Qball: well considering valhalla1zzw is about 16
11:18:36  <Magus_X> [valhalla1zzw]: :oo
11:18:41  <valhalla1zzw> 17 Darkvater :p
11:18:41  <Qball> who was talking about valhalla1zzw
11:18:44  * peter1138 wonders if Darkvater is the protective sort
11:18:51  *** valhalla1zzw is now known as valhallasw
11:18:55  * Darkvater isn't
11:18:56  <Qball> peter1138: lets put that to the test
11:19:01  <Qball> Darkvater: I give you 2 beers
11:19:02  <Magus_X> valhalla1zzw: when on your school there have a free sex, call me
11:19:03  <Magus_X> lol
11:19:04  <Darkvater> but I will definitely gut anyone who hurts my sister
11:19:19  <valhallasw> Magus_X: I've got better ways to get free sex
11:19:25  <Magus_X> [(valhallasw)]: :þ
11:19:27  <valhallasw> it's calles a 'girlfriend'
11:19:30  <valhallasw> called*
11:19:35  <Qball> that isn't free
11:19:39  <Qball> it's horrible expensive
11:19:42  <valhallasw> the sex is
11:19:44  <Magus_X> LOL!!!!
11:19:48  <Qball> the gf isn't
11:19:48  <valhallasw> the clothes are not
11:19:50  <Magus_X> Qball: thats the point!
11:19:55  <Magus_X> lol
11:20:16  <valhallasw> then try a one-night-stand, you bastard
11:20:27  <Magus_X> ah, lol
11:20:28  <Darkvater> Tron: so in short I will try to work on it today
11:20:32  <valhallasw> just don't compain if you get a STD
11:20:39  <Magus_X> "Hello, whats your name? wanna do sex with me?"
11:20:41  <Magus_X> lol
11:21:06  <Magus_X> STD?
11:21:44  <valhallasw>
11:21:52  <Magus_X> ahh
11:21:59  <Magus_X> here is DST
11:22:06  <Magus_X> :P
11:22:14  <Tron> Daylight Savings Time?
11:22:18  <Magus_X> lol
11:22:19  <valhallasw> SOA here ^_^
11:22:32  <Darkvater> ah Seer Open Asfaltbeton
11:22:33  <Magus_X> im brazilian :?
11:22:35  <Darkvater> ;p
11:22:36  <Magus_X> so
11:22:44  <Sacro> Darkvater: sister?
11:22:45  <valhallasw> lol Darkvater :D
11:23:09  <Darkvater> Sacro: meh?
11:23:10  <Magus_X> Doenças(disease) Sexualmente(Sexually) Transmissíveis(Transmitted)
11:23:38  * Sacro catches up
11:23:51  <Qball> and falls behind again
11:23:54  <valhallasw> Seksueel (Sexually) Overdraagbare (Transmittable) Aandoeningen (Diseases)
11:24:01  <Magus_X> o.O
11:24:03  <valhallasw> >:)
11:24:06  <Magus_X> wow
11:24:13  <Magus_X> someday i will learn deustch
11:24:14  <Magus_X> lol
11:24:19  <valhallasw> >:(
11:24:39  <Qball> deustch?
11:24:46  <Qball> what is that?
11:24:52  <valhallasw> dutch + deutsch? :+
11:24:57  <Qball> I guess so
11:25:15  <Magus_X> ah
11:25:15  <Magus_X> lol
11:25:19  <Magus_X> sorry, deutsch
11:25:30  <Qball> why the f*** do you want to learn that
11:25:47  <Qball> that is just crazy talk
11:25:50  <valhallasw> SOA is not deutsch
11:25:51  <Magus_X> its a cool, interesting language
11:25:59  <valhallasw> it is dutch however
11:26:04  <Magus_X> Crazy? you dont saw nothing, try portuguese, LOL
11:26:28  <valhallasw> try latin
11:26:30  * Darkvater hints at Hungarian
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11:26:44  <Magus_X> ah, latin is an exception
11:26:44  <Magus_X> lol
11:26:49  <Qball> or that crazy language bush tries to talk
11:27:01  <Darkvater> gibberish
11:27:01  <Magus_X> ah lol!
11:27:08  <MeusH> hi
11:27:23  <Magus_X> gibberish?!
11:27:32  <Magus_X> wtf?
11:27:38  <hylje> piglatin
11:27:44  <Magus_X> lol
11:27:55  * Qball is listening to Doors, The - People Are Strange
11:28:06  <Darkvater>
11:28:09  <MeusH> Tron: are you around?
11:28:18  <MeusH> Darkvater: do you know Tron's IP?
11:28:33  <Qball> ::1
11:28:42  * valhallasw agrees with Darkvater and points to finnish
11:29:09  <XeryusTC> MeusH: /dns Tron
11:29:11  * Darkvater disagrees with valhallasw about the finnish link
11:29:18  <valhallasw> :O
11:29:22  <Tron> MeusH: ?
11:29:29  <Darkvater> MeusH: wanna ddos?
11:29:32  <MeusH> <- was it you or some punk?
11:29:33  <hylje> moon language > u
11:29:45  <Hagbard_Ub> load -g "scenario/sweclockers3.scn"
11:29:45  <Hagbard_Ub> - Load a game by name or index. Usage: 'load <file | number>'
11:29:46  <MeusH> I mean, the latest change
11:29:53  <Darkvater> haha lol
11:30:00  <Hagbard_Ub> Isn't the first line correct?
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11:30:25  <Tron> MeusH: the same idiot who did the last vandalism
11:30:33  <Darkvater> I think we have someone who is not really into tron
11:30:34  <MeusH> okay I'll ban him
11:30:40  <MeusH> or not?
11:30:42  <Darkvater> Will kick you if you disagree with him.
11:31:03  <Qball> the info does look pretty accurate
11:31:28  <Darkvater> hmm it's someone finnish
11:31:38  <MiHaMiX> if so many people intersted about 5212-5214, I'll issue a statement
11:32:39  <peter1138> must be... SpComb!
11:32:44  <SpComb> lies
11:33:02  <Darkvater> burn the witch!
11:33:53  <Darkvater> btrb
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11:38:32  <MagusX> hohoho, im back
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11:40:50  <XeryusTC> Magus_X: it's a bit early for x-mas
11:46:43  <MagusX> :O
11:49:03  <MagusX> My team plays thuesday :D
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11:49:55  <Eddi|zuHause> is that inbetween tuesday and thursday?
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11:50:12  <Eddi|zuHause> we usually call that wednesday ;)
11:50:13  <MagusX> ah
11:50:15  <MagusX> Lol
11:50:16  <MagusX> sorry
11:50:21  <MagusX> my english sucks
11:50:46  <MeusH> cya
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11:51:20  <Hagbard_Ub> Explain: How do you load a .scn file? load -g "scenario/file.scn" won't work
11:51:33  <Eddi|zuHause> tried renaming it to .sav?
11:51:35  <Hagbard_Ub> It's displays the load --help
11:51:48  <Hagbard_Ub> I shouldn't have to do that FFS!
11:52:11  <Eddi|zuHause> well... it's probably a bug if that works ;)
11:52:19  <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise it's... something else ;)
11:52:25  <Tron> works for me
11:53:01  <orudge> Darkvater: No problem ;)
11:53:36  <Hagbard_Ub> Just does that:
11:53:38  <Hagbard_Ub> load -g "scenario/sweclockers3.scn"
11:53:38  <Hagbard_Ub> - Load a game by name or index. Usage: 'load <file | number>'
11:54:24  <Eddi|zuHause> that won't change if you try the same thing 20 times :p
11:54:47  <Hagbard_Ub> huh?
11:54:50  <peter1138> Hagbard_Ub: -g is from the command line, not the console
11:55:08  <Hagbard_Ub> peter1138, ok... thank you for an answer....
11:55:24  <Hagbard_Ub> well howto load a game from the console?
11:55:40  <Tron> exactly as the help describes it
11:55:40  <Hagbard_Ub> and i run it on linux so i don't have command line... Terminal... :D
11:55:53  <Hagbard_Ub> Tron, I don't get it???
11:55:59  <Tron> load name/number
11:56:07  <Hagbard_Ub> i don't have a number?
11:56:21  <Hagbard_Ub> load sweclockers3.scn/what?!
11:56:41  <Tron> it works only for savegames
11:56:45  <Hagbard_Ub> ls and dir won't display numbers on my .scn files
11:57:11  <Tron> dir is just an alias for ls, it won't show anything different than ls
11:57:18  <Tron> and still: it works only for savegames
11:57:43  <Hagbard_Ub> You mean i can't load a map?
11:58:01  <MagusX> LOL
11:58:02  <MagusX> some maps
11:58:06  <MagusX> dont work at the nightly
11:58:10  <Hagbard_Ub> 0.4.7
11:58:14  <Hagbard_Ub> not nightly
11:58:23  <MagusX> strange
11:58:28  <MagusX> here almost all maps work
11:58:28  <Hagbard_Ub> don't tell me to get nightly
11:58:33  <MagusX> why? :
11:58:33  <MagusX> o
11:58:35  <MagusX> :o
11:58:40  <MagusX> get nightly
11:58:41  <MagusX> LOL
11:58:42  <Hagbard_Ub> cause i won't do it...
11:58:51  <Hagbard_Ub> I don't want nightly
11:58:57  <MagusX> what do you have against nightly?
11:58:59  <Hagbard_Ub> simple answer.... don't ask why
11:59:04  <Hagbard_Ub> niothing
11:59:08  <Hagbard_Ub> but i won't get it
11:59:15  <MagusX> i have both running here :P
11:59:16  <MagusX> btw
11:59:20  <MagusX> what map
11:59:23  <MagusX> you are trying to load?
11:59:40  <Hagbard_Ub> a custom....
11:59:58  <Hagbard_Ub> it's in scenario and it's name is sweclockers3.scn
12:00:11  <MagusX> well
12:00:11  <Hagbard_Ub> scenario/sweclockers3.scn
12:00:14  <MagusX> can u dccsend to me?
12:00:17  <MagusX> to me test here
12:00:20  <Hagbard_Ub> wait
12:00:57  <Hagbard_Ub> accept...
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12:03:11  <Hagbard_Ub> MagusX, Accept...
12:04:59  <Hagbard_Ub> Why can't you do so I can load a fucking simple .scn file in dedicated server mode???
12:05:04  <Hagbard_Ub> IS IT SO HARD?
12:05:31  <MagusX> ah
12:05:32  <MagusX> sorry
12:05:37  <MagusX> damn modem
12:05:45  <Hagbard_Ub> oh...
12:05:49  <MagusX> damn router
12:05:53  <MagusX> well...
12:05:55  <MagusX> what happens
12:05:59  <MagusX> when u try to load?
12:06:14  <Hagbard_Ub> load "scenario/sweclockers3.scn"
12:06:14  <Hagbard_Ub> scenario/sweclockers3.scn: No such file or directory.
12:06:16  <Hagbard_Ub> that
12:06:21  <Hagbard_Ub> when not using -g
12:06:39  <peter1138> ./openttd -D -g scenario/sweclockers3.scn ...
12:08:45  <Hagbard_Ub> peter1138, You're the best... Finally an answer that works
12:08:48  <Hagbard_Ub> Thanks!
12:11:19  <Hagbard_Ub> remove_company 0 <--- What's wrong?
12:12:30  <peter1138> 1 -- 8
12:13:07  <Hagbard_Ub> remove_company 1
12:13:07  <Hagbard_Ub> ERROR: command or variable not found
12:13:11  <Hagbard_Ub> won't work
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12:13:30  <Hagbard_Ub> oh well... shit on this...
12:13:36  <Hagbard_Ub> leaving
12:14:07  <Sacro> ?
12:14:45  <Hagbard_Ub> Someone get a real guide... that's working and is user friendly
12:15:01  <anboni>
12:15:09  <anboni> you wont even have to register to write the article :)
12:15:22  <Hagbard_Ub> not in the mod for wiki
12:15:34  <Hagbard_Ub> have to take a shower... then go over to a friend
12:16:14  <[D]Shaman> wiki = good
12:16:19  <[D]Shaman> all you need to know is in there.
12:16:27  <[D]Shaman> and if it's not it's bound to be somewhere else.
12:16:36  <Sacro> tbh you can find most stuff out in here when theres people around
12:16:42  * Sacro considers /ping #openttd
12:16:43  <Hagbard_Ub> [D]Shaman, Well i know wiki...
12:17:03  <Hagbard_Ub> but not in the mood for writing an article
12:17:16  <[D]Shaman> you don't have to -write- one :o
12:17:24  <[D]Shaman> there's allready enough guides there to help with anything.
12:17:32  <Hagbard_Ub> Nope there
12:17:34  <Hagbard_Ub> 's not
12:17:39  <[D]Shaman> which one?
12:18:08  <Hagbard_Ub> for dedicated servers
12:18:26  <[D]Shaman> eh
12:18:27  <[D]Shaman> it's there.
12:18:42  <[D]Shaman> even -I- managed to get a dedicated server running
12:18:54  <Sacro> hmm, firefox has too many visited wikis
12:19:58  <[D]Shaman>
12:20:10  <[D]Shaman> there, took me longer to type than to find it.
12:20:49  <[D]Shaman> has a link to all console commands
12:20:53  <[D]Shaman> has a link to some setup things
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12:22:56  <anboni> i really wish the failure messages would be a bit more descriptive when trying to place a new industry
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12:28:41  *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*] by Tron
12:28:48  *** ln- was kicked from #openttd by Tron [You know why]
12:29:22  <Tobin> "You know why" <--- Oh, now we're all curious. :P
12:29:56  <MagusX> All your base belong to us!
12:29:57  <Tron> wiki vandalism
12:30:01  <Eddi|zuHause> Tobin: you might get a clue from the backlog ;)
12:30:16  <hylje> "You might want to find out why"
12:30:32  <Tobin> I've been offline.
12:30:42  <Tobin> Only got back online 20 minutes ago.
12:31:36  <Tobin> anboni was the only person who spoke before I saw ln- get kicked.
12:33:03  <MiHaMiX> hmm..
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13:14:27  <Sacro> grrr, why cant i play openttd
13:14:54  <Hagbard_Ub> IP: pass: swec
13:15:59  <MagusX> [(Hagbard_Ub)]: nightly?
13:16:06  <MagusX> or normal without newgrf?
13:16:11  <Hagbard_Ub> MagusX, 0.4.7
13:16:15  <Hagbard_Ub> newgrf?
13:16:23  <MagusX> forget Ç)
13:16:26  <MagusX> :)_
13:16:34  <MagusX> [Hagbard_Ub]: your server?
13:16:34  <Hagbard_Ub> you from franc?
13:16:38  <Hagbard_Ub> MagusX, Yes
13:16:40  <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: it must be *flip-flip* ... increased solar activity
13:16:40  <MagusX> good
13:16:43  <MagusX> i will go there i think
13:16:47  <Hagbard_Ub> kk
13:16:59  <Hagbard_Ub> it's a 1024x512 scenario
13:17:03  <MagusX> np
13:17:10  <MagusX> im newbie :(
13:17:10  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: well win32 under wine works faster than self compiled, with and without optimisation
13:17:17  <Hagbard_Ub> will restart later this night when i get home
13:17:31  <Sacro> and both i386 and i686 precompiled
13:17:32  <Eddi|zuHause> that is definitely your system that is screwed up ;)
13:17:37  <MagusX> [[Hagbard_Ub]]: ok then i will wait you restart the game
13:17:37  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: yeah...
13:17:48  <Hagbard_Ub> MagusX, It's newstarted
13:17:50  <MagusX> a
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13:17:52  <MagusX> ok
13:17:58  <MagusX> im going
13:18:05  <Hagbard_Ub> just that i will restart it again later this day
13:18:08  <MagusX> you should try the newgrfs :)
13:18:12  <Sacro> i wonder if its SDL
13:18:16  <Eddi|zuHause> but except from saying, reinstall and configure correctly... there's not much i can do to help you...
13:18:32  <Hagbard_Ub> MagusX, Try to get someone more to play to... as i'm going to a friend and can't play
13:18:39  <MagusX> ahh
13:18:40  <MagusX> :(
13:18:49  <Hagbard_Ub> i will play later
13:18:54  <Hagbard_Ub> after the restart
13:19:09  <MagusX> ok
13:19:12  <MagusX> i will wait you then
13:19:21  <MagusX> see you later
13:19:38  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: i just run "./configure && make"
13:19:53  <Hagbard_Ub> MagusX, you can explore the map a bit..
13:19:57  <Eddi|zuHause> i mean configure your system... not openttd ;)
13:20:00  <MagusX> i explored
13:20:02  <Hagbard_Ub> hehe
13:20:03  <MagusX> a lot of 'islands'
13:20:07  <Hagbard_Ub> yes
13:20:08  <Eddi|zuHause> there is nothing wrong with openttd ;)
13:20:16  <MagusX> :D
13:20:26  <Hagbard_Ub> and hills
13:20:32  <MagusX> [Hagbard_Ub]: newgrf are new graphics
13:20:33  <MagusX> new stations
13:20:35  <MagusX> new vehiclse
13:20:37  <MagusX> cles
13:20:44  <Hagbard_Ub> i have a extreeme hill and snow map to
13:20:45  <MagusX> well, you understood :)
13:20:48  <Hagbard_Ub> MagusX, okey
13:20:55  <Hagbard_Ub> i have the ones from TT
13:20:57  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: what can i do?
13:21:06  <Hagbard_Ub> well bye
13:21:09  <MagusX> [Hagbard_Ub]: bye...
13:21:14  <Eddi|zuHause> i told you... i have no clue ;)
13:21:41  <Sacro> ooh, i wonder what graphics im using
13:21:55  <MagusX> ¡!Sacro!¡: you installed the modules of your 3d card correclty?
13:21:59  <MagusX> *correctly
13:22:28  <MagusX> because shit happens
13:22:30  <MagusX> :D
13:23:27  <Sacro> 250 fps in glxgears
13:23:29  <Sacro> using sis driver
13:23:34  <MagusX> O.O
13:23:36  <MagusX> 250
13:23:39  <MagusX> LOL
13:23:47  <anboni> ouch
13:23:58  <MagusX> well... try a trident 3d 4mb
13:24:00  <Sacro> yeah, iknow
13:24:01  <MagusX> should be better
13:24:02  <MagusX> LOL
13:24:08  <Sacro> MagusX: its a flaptop
13:24:13  <MagusX> well
13:24:18  <MagusX> thats the reason
13:24:24  <MagusX> 250fps on glxgears
13:24:42  <MagusX> place more coal on it!
13:24:42  <Sacro> hmm
13:24:42  <MagusX> lol
13:25:00  <peter1138> fps on glxgears is pretty irrelevant
13:25:13  <MagusX> [peter1138]: not at this time
13:25:14  <peter1138> e.g. openttd doesn't use opengl...
13:25:19  <MagusX> but...
13:25:23  <MagusX> a SIS...
13:25:35  <MagusX> Shit Integrated System lol
13:25:43  <MagusX> [Sacro]: well
13:25:45  <anboni> peter1138, it's still a bit of an indication what the speed of the graphics system is, comperative to others
13:25:52  <MagusX> the game runs REALLY slow?
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13:26:40  <peter1138> anboni: not really. software opengl is always slow...
13:26:57  <Sacro> MagusX: the win32 build is fine, but not linux
13:27:05  <MagusX> [Sacro]: thats weird
13:27:07  <Sacro> im wondering how to speed up sdl
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13:27:22  <MagusX> well
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13:27:25  <orudge> Eek, my music patch has some 2000 revisions to be updated...
13:27:31  <Sacro> brb, gonna try using vesa
13:27:32  * orudge may have a look at that later
13:27:34  <MagusX> lol
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13:29:43  <MagusX> [Sacro]: worked:
13:29:45  <MagusX> ?
13:31:18  <Sacro> its the sounds that are running slow
13:31:53  <MagusX> :/
13:32:03  <MagusX> try using alsa drivers
13:32:11  <MagusX> *modules
13:33:19  <Sacro> its sdl
13:33:27  <Sacro> now how to tell sdl to use something else
13:33:49  <peter1138> export SDL_SOUNDDRIVER
13:34:18  <peter1138> also SDL_VIDEODRIVER=dga, if you're ok with fullscreen only (and suid root, urgh)
13:34:23  <peter1138> (and not nvidia. fuckers.)
13:35:24  <Sacro> mwahahaha
13:35:32  <Sacro> SDL_SOUNDDRIVER=alsa
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13:36:00  <Sacro> and now she works
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13:36:11  <anboni> sweet
13:38:05  <anboni> i'm glad this local authority was quite happy with getting 1000s of cactii dumped around their town :)
13:38:23  <MagusX> ((Sacro)): i told u
13:38:23  <MagusX> :)
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13:39:01  <MagusX> alsa rocks
13:39:22  <peter1138> hmm
13:39:27  <peter1138> it's hot 'n' breezy
13:39:28  <Sacro> argghgh BUMS
13:39:36  <Sacro> i cant listen ot music now cos opentted is using alsa
13:39:40  <MagusX> lol
13:39:56  <peter1138> -s null?
13:40:35  <Sacro> peter1138: but ive only just got it working :'(
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13:50:57  <Qball>  a decent card that does hw mixing?
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14:01:53  <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of card does NOT do that?
14:02:29  <anboni> an ancient laptop card?
14:02:47  <Eddi|zuHause> with his specs, it can't be that ancient...
14:03:27  <peter1138> well
14:03:32  <anboni> good point
14:03:34  <peter1138> directx will just software mix...
14:03:49  <peter1138> alsa needs extra configuration to do that
14:04:19  <MagusX> OMGGGG, check the Casualties o.O
14:04:25  <Eddi|zuHause> you see... that is exactly the reason why i like windows ;)
14:04:36  <Eddi|zuHause> it does most common tasks automatically
14:05:02  <MagusX> died more soldiers on stalingrad, a lot more than omaha
14:05:09  <MagusX> o.O
14:05:10  <Eddi|zuHause> of course, there are a dozen reasons why i hate windows... but well...
14:05:10  <Tron> Linux and sound support is a neverending story
14:06:49  <Eddi|zuHause> MagusX: of course... because most of germanys army was focused against the communist russians... and the russians don't care about masses of dead soldiers... there are more where they came from
14:07:06  <MagusX> yeah..., if you leave from the battle
14:07:14  <MagusX> you get killed by your teammates
14:07:15  <MagusX> o.o
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14:08:54  <Eddi|zuHause> leaving from battle in war times? that is immediate death sentence
14:09:01  <MagusX> well
14:09:18  <MagusX> at least on the other Theaters you could leave with a chance of survive
14:09:33  <MagusX> if you leave from battle in russian army... you are dead meat
14:09:54  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: its a few years old this laptop
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15:40:05  <hylje> CIA-3: who are you
15:40:08  <hylje> hmph
15:40:16  <hylje> CIA-3: info
15:41:08  <hylje> stupid me
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15:42:07  * peter1138 kicks CIA-3
15:42:07  <CIA-3> ow
15:52:05  <Darkvater> jezus what did england play a boooring game
15:52:20  <Darkvater> they couldn't even score themselves
15:52:28  <Darkvater> and I fell asleep :s
15:53:12  <peter1138> fool
15:53:17  <peter1138> should've been coding :)
15:54:05  <Darkvater> indeed...waste of time
15:54:51  <MagusX> lol
15:54:52  <MagusX> same
15:54:57  <MagusX> and an owngoal
15:54:57  <MagusX> LOL
15:56:15  <Eddi|zuHause> i know why i avoid this kind of stuff ;)
15:56:50  <peter1138> waaa-aaa-aaa-aaa-aaave
15:58:07  <Eddi|zuHause> (well... i avoid both football and coding... but... ;))
16:01:08  <Darkvater> hmmm...sweden \o/
16:01:27  <Darkvater> plus: barbecue \o/!!!
16:03:24  <MagusX> hey
16:03:34  <hylje> Darkvater: omg wtf bbq !
16:03:38  <MagusX> there is any map of brazil bigger than 256x256?
16:03:50  <MagusX> because that one in forum is small :/
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17:06:40  <TL|Away> I hate Linux USB Wireless, I can't get it to work on Linux :'(
17:07:02  <Sacro> TL|Away: yeah, wifi is a pain under linux
17:07:02  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: hi :)
17:07:14  <TL|Away> Hi
17:07:18  <MiHaMiX> Sacro: I'm using wifi right now under linux
17:07:27  <TL|Away> just all manuals say it should work like this
17:07:29  <Sacro> MiHaMiX: so am i
17:07:30  <TL|Away> but nothing happens...
17:07:36  <TL|Away> ndiswrapper tells me the driver is installed
17:07:41  <TL|Away> and nothing happens :(
17:07:46  <TL|Away> I am sure I forget something :p
17:07:55  <Sacro> TL|Away: you tried modprobe ndiswrapper?
17:08:10  <TL|Away> yeah
17:08:15  <TL|Away> dmesg shows ndiswrapper is loaded
17:08:17  <TL|Away> but then nothing
17:08:19  <Sacro> ndiswrapper -l ?
17:08:55  <TL|Away> driver installed, hardware present
17:09:06  <TL|Away> dmesg only shows that usbcore registered the ndiswrapper
17:09:09  <Sacro> iwconfig?
17:09:24  <Sacro> or ls /dev/wlan*
17:09:24  <TL|Away> empty, besides the wired interfaces
17:09:31  <TL|Away> doesn't exists...
17:09:33  <TL|Away> udev sucks
17:09:34  <Sacro> iwconfig shouldnt show wired
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17:09:48  <TL|Away> it shows it with: no wireless extension :p
17:10:04  <Sacro> ah right yeah
17:11:00  <TL|Away> but what I really don't understand, is that ndiswrapper does detect the USB device
17:11:07  <TL|Away> (and when I disconnect it responds corectly)
17:11:11  <TL|Away> but nothing else happens
17:11:27  <TL|Away> maybe something I should start? :s
17:11:44  <Sacro> it might be that udev isnt responding
17:11:57  <TL|Away> yeah, udev is giving more problems from time to time ;)
17:12:36  <TL|Away> bah, sucky suck :p
17:12:46  <TL|Away> Do you guys use USB devices?
17:12:46  <Sacro> actually i dont think my wireless card has a /dev entry
17:12:51  <Sacro> no mines PCMCIA
17:13:45  <Noldo> network devices don't seem to have
17:14:00  <Sacro> no
17:14:03  <Sacro> strange
17:14:26  <TL|Away> but should anything else start besides ndiswrapper
17:14:30  <TL|Away> (via modprobe)
17:14:40  <Sacro> TL|Away: dont think so
17:14:59  <Sacro> did you do ndiswrapper -m?
17:15:14  <TL|Away> ... already contains alias ...
17:15:16  <TL|Away> so I guess so :p
17:15:32  <Sacro> i have "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper"  in /etc/modprobe.conf
17:15:51  <TL|Away> I have too many items there
17:15:54  <TL|Away> but indeed, that line too :p
17:16:34  <Sacro> hmmm, what distro?
17:16:38  <TL|Away> Gentoo
17:16:43  <TL|Away> and a Linksys USB device
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17:17:23  <Sacro> have you asked in #gentoo?
17:17:28  <TL|Away> no
17:17:34  <TL|Away> it isn't really Gentoo related either
17:18:55  * Prof_Frink forgets how many times he's had to fix his wireless cards under linux
17:19:16  <Sacro> hmmm
17:19:19  <Sacro> Prof_Frink: yeah, me too
17:19:59  <Prof_Frink> I now have NetworkManager working for my bcm43xx card
17:20:16  <Prof_Frink> and my Libretto has my rt2500 card working
17:21:40  <TL|Away> biggest problem is that I have 64bit
17:21:47  <TL|Away> which makes everything just a bit more difficult then needed
17:22:28  <Sacro> TL|Away: ahh, yes it will
17:24:18  <MagusX> hey
17:24:23  <MagusX> is there a way to make
17:24:28  <MagusX> sv0creator.exe
17:24:39  <MagusX> save maps bigger than 256x256?
17:24:52  <peter1138> no
17:24:59  <MagusX> damn
17:25:01  <MagusX> :(
17:25:08  <peter1138> sv0 == ttdpatch == 256x256
17:26:36  <MagusX> shit :(
17:26:42  <MagusX> because i wanna make a brazil scenario
17:26:46  <MagusX> but bigger than 260
17:26:47  <MagusX> 256
17:27:01  <MagusX> but... if i do the scenery, it will take years
17:27:39  <MiHaMiX> committime
17:27:43  <MagusX> ?
17:27:45  <MiHaMiX> hmm
17:27:50  <MagusX> :(
17:29:52  <CIA-3> miham * r5216 /trunk/lang/ (french.txt polish.txt unfinished/lithuanian.txt):
17:29:52  <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-06-10 19:27:22
17:29:52  <CIA-3> french - 4 fixed, 2 changed by glx (6)
17:29:52  <CIA-3> lithuanian - 102 fixed, 16 changed by Plyta (118)
17:29:52  <CIA-3> polish - 4 fixed by meush (4)
17:31:16  <Eddi|zuHause> MagusX: maybe you should look for the pngload patch for the scenario editor
17:31:32  <MagusX> i dont know how to install patches :/, win32 version
17:31:37  <MiHaMiX> Total I18N status: 93% - 4785 bad strings out of 73276 strings
17:31:38  <Eddi|zuHause> that's what richk used for e.g. the africa scenario
17:31:53  <MagusX> :/
17:31:56  <Eddi|zuHause> there was a time when it was in miniIN
17:32:02  <MagusX> well
17:32:06  <MagusX> i will check it later
17:32:11  <Eddi|zuHause> but that might make the scenario incompatible with trunk
17:32:21  <MagusX> :(
17:34:36  <Sacro> shouldnt be incompatible
17:35:08  <MagusX> :/
17:36:34  <Sacro> afaik theres never been much problem with scenario problems
17:36:42  <Sacro> its mainly save games that have fancy things on them
17:38:12  <MagusX> well... i will look for that patch later
17:38:15  <MagusX> i will play a bit now
17:38:40  <Sacro> OpenTTD needs more girls
17:39:04  <scia> no
17:39:08  * scia needs more girls
17:39:12  <scia> :p
17:39:27  * MagusX needs a lot more girls
17:39:36  <MagusX> ^^
17:39:36  <Eddi|zuHause> well... technically, scenarios ARE savegames
17:39:37  <Sacro> ooh pi
17:39:41  <Sacro> *pizza
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17:45:56  <Tron> HES_NEW_NONSTOP <-- please tell the lithuanian translator there's probably something wrong with these strings (stray question marks)
17:47:44  <MiHaMiX> Tron: well, ? can't get into a string otherwise than a translator insert that, since WT2 validates input to iso8859-15 on languages which are not utf-8 encoded.
17:48:14  <Tron> these strings are _old_
17:48:22  <MiHaMiX> Tron: ahh, ok.
17:48:59  <Tron> and the conversion for to the power of 3 (³) still doesn't work
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17:49:40  <MiHaMiX> Tron: no, you're wrong - again.
17:49:49  <MiHaMiX> Tron: I've just checked that yesterday
17:49:58  <Tron> no, you're wrong again
17:50:01  <Tron> i just saw the diff
17:50:02  <MiHaMiX> Tron: ^3 is inserted as ^3,
17:50:16  <Tron> +STR_UNITS_VOLUME_SHORT_SI                                       :{COMMA}m?
17:50:16  <Tron>
17:50:16  <Tron> +STR_UNITS_VOLUME_LONG_SI                                        :{COMMA} m?
17:50:22  <Tron> straight from your last commit
17:50:33  <MiHaMiX> most probably they copied from english
17:50:42  <Tron> it's correct in english
17:51:35  <MiHaMiX> (in utf8)
17:51:41  <MiHaMiX> grr
17:51:58  <Tron> it's perfectly correct in english, i know, because if fixed it
17:52:07  <MiHaMiX> if ?
17:53:51  <MiHaMiX> strange, I'll show you a screenshot.
17:53:51  <Tron> if ? what?
17:53:58  <MiHaMiX> [[19:52]] <Tron> it's perfectly correct in english, i know, because if fixed it
17:54:11  <Tron> s/if/i/
17:54:41  <Tron> i'm deliberatly going to fix it now in the lithuanian translation
17:55:21  * peter1138 attempts to remove a gas pipe and ends up removing a layer of skin instead
17:55:23  <MiHaMiX> wait pls.
17:56:13  <Tron> peter1138: doesn't that hurt?
17:56:28  <MiHaMiX> Tron:
17:56:34  <peter1138> yes
17:56:39  <peter1138> however, it came off  :)
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17:56:44  <peter1138> now to affix to bbq
17:56:54  <peter1138> (lazy, i know, but so much more convenient)
17:56:56  <Sacro> peter1138: i hope your corgi certified
17:57:14  <Tron> MiHaMiX: check lang/english.txt, it's correct there
17:57:25  <peter1138> Sacro: what, for flexible rubber tubing connected to small gas bottle and portable equipment? heh
17:57:27  <Tron> (and that's the only thing, which counts)
17:57:32  <MiHaMiX> Tron: i know.., I've checked
17:57:48  <Sacro> peter1138: you know wht the mother state is like
17:57:59  <MiHaMiX> Tron: it's correct in the db, too
17:58:22  <MiHaMiX> Tron: but I was able to write a cubic sign in WT2
17:58:44  <Tron> it's something at your end, don't ask me what, there's no source available
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18:02:22  <MiHaMiX> hm
18:07:14  <Tron> MiHaMiX: please tell the polish translator that the {G} in STR_8868_TRAIN_CRASH_DIE_IN_FIREBALL and STR_9032_ROAD_VEHICLE_CRASH_DIE are probably wrong and should be {P}
18:07:37  <Tron> STR_A034_PLANE_CRASH_DIE_IN_FIREBALL, too
18:08:07  <TL|Away> Lol, Gentoo sometimes sucks... it has drivers put on masking, because it is in kernel 2.6.17, but that kernel isn't stable for all platforms yet.... useful! :p
18:09:28  <MiHaMiX> Tron: ok, thanks for your bug report against cubic sign - I've succeeded to track down the bug
18:11:30  <MiHaMiX> Tron: I'll forward your requests to them..
18:13:52  <Tron> MiHaMiX: slovak -> some questions have a space before the ?, some don't. I'd make it uniform, but it's hard to tell what's the usual style
18:15:50  <MiHaMiX> Tron: I suggest you to leave the translation work to translators, I'll forward your request to slovakian translators
18:18:44  <Sacro> TL|Away: 2.6.16 here still
18:18:55  <ShadowJK> More translators should do what the .fi translator(s) have done
18:19:23  <MiHaMiX> ShadowJK: what did they do?
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18:20:29  <ShadowJK> made STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_NEW_NONSTOP actually say something comprehensible.
18:20:59  <ShadowJK> "TTDPatch compatible nonstop handling" says nothing really. I'd have to install TTDPatch, whatever that is, and investigate what it does, or hope that it explains what it is.
18:21:54  <MiHaMiX> good :)
18:21:56  <Sacro> Non-Stop = via
18:22:12  <Sacro> or pass-through
18:24:08  <ShadowJK> Though sadly "Improved loading algorithm" is translated word for word
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18:26:19  <MeusH> hello
18:26:22  <MiHaMiX> MeusH: hi
18:26:29  <MiHaMiX> MeusH: did you receive my email?
18:26:41  <MeusH> not yet, I'll do it soon
18:26:58  <MeusH> now I'm configuring linux, as I managed to install ubuntu stuff
18:27:06  <MiHaMiX> MeusH: grat :)
18:27:11  <MeusH> however, I've got problems making openttd
18:27:18  <MeusH> seems I don't have compilator configured
18:27:22  <MeusH> cc: command not found
18:27:31  <MeusH> I think cc stands for C Compiler, but I'm not sure
18:28:18  <MeusH> /bin/sh: cc: command not found
18:28:24  <MiHaMiX> MeusH: apt-get install gcc g++ make
18:28:28  <MeusH> thanks
18:28:46  <MiHaMiX> MeusH: -> #openttd.wt2
18:28:53  <MeusH> okay
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18:31:14  <MeusH> Gmail is great. So does OpenTTD I love cross platform things :)
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18:38:19  <TL|Away> Sacro: 2.6.16 everywhere almost :p But okay, I got those drivers installed, still nothing
18:38:27  <TL|Away> 64 bit drives that match the USB ID, still nothing
18:38:33  <TL|Away> 32bit drivers that match the USB ID, still nothing
18:38:39  <TL|Away> short: wifi sucks
18:38:39  <Sacro> TL|Away: hmmm, i dunno
18:38:55  <TL|Away> it seems that v2 of my USB thingy works better.. of course I have v1 :p
18:41:08  <Sacro> oh dear
18:41:21  <Sacro> hm, how do you change GNOME colours for panels and suchlike
18:41:40  <MeusH> System > Preferences > Themes
18:41:57  <MeusH> "System" = third drop-down of main menu
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18:42:37  <Sacro> MeusH: im in theme preferences now, but all ive found so far is how to add them
18:42:44  <Sacro> but i want to change clearlooks colours
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18:52:17  <MeusH> Sacro: Try the second button
18:52:24  <MeusH> in themes window
18:52:44  <MeusH> that's the button with screwer and hammer
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18:54:30  <CIA-3> miham * r5217 /trunk/lang/polish.txt:
18:54:30  <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-06-10 20:54:18
18:54:30  <CIA-3> polish - 4 changed by meush (4)
18:54:55  <MiHaMiX> Tron: polish {G ...} commands have been fixed.
18:56:04  <Tron> thanks
18:56:34  <MiHaMiX> Tron: slovakian translator has been asked to fix up the question marks as well
18:56:57  <MiHaMiX> Tron: I'm thinking of a web interface where one can report bugs found in translations
18:58:37  <Sacro> MeusH: eh?
18:59:08  <Sacro> MeusH: i have an alternate theme :) but still, nothing
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19:12:42  <MeusH> Sacro: I remember I changed it on Fedora Core 4
19:12:47  <MeusH> however I don't remeber that
19:12:58  <Sacro> MeusH: apparently i have to edit the metacity config file
19:13:03  <MeusH> Try help, chapter 9.19
19:16:31  <MeusH> cya
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19:27:54  <Sacro> its all quiet in here
19:28:52  <MagusX> yeah
19:28:53  <MagusX> :/
19:28:56  <MagusX> i wanna play =o
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19:35:13  <TrueLight> Does anyone have Windows XP 64bit installed?
19:35:18  <TrueLight> I need 2 files of that system...
19:35:38  <jonty-comp> I wish I had :(
19:37:59  <MagusX> =/
19:39:19  <michi_cc> TrueLight: what do you need?
19:39:34  <TrueLight> michi_cc: usb8023.sys and rndismpw.sys
19:39:49  <michi_cc> moment. DCC?
19:39:54  <TrueLight> rather http
19:39:58  <TrueLight> DCC goes to the wrong PC
19:40:02  <TrueLight> mail is fine too
19:40:17  <TrueLight> also please let me know where it is stored at your end
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19:40:40  <TrueLight> (it complains here that the drivers aren't 64bit :()
19:40:45  <CIA-3> tron * r5218 /trunk/terraform_gui.c: Remove GenericRaiseLowerLand(). It's not really as generic as the its name suggests, it's just an unnecessary indirection
19:40:54  <michi_cc> I've go a rndismp.sys, without the w at the end
19:41:06  <TrueLight> also just fine :)
19:41:11  <TrueLight> :q
19:41:13  <TrueLight> lol
19:41:27  <TrueLight> oh, I typed it wrong: rndismpk
19:41:29  <TrueLight> was the name :p
19:42:41  <michi_cc> well, still only rndismp.sys
19:42:44  <michi_cc>
19:45:17  <TrueLight> hehe, segfault
19:45:20  <michi_cc> TrueLight: got it?
19:45:21  <TrueLight> but okay, at least it is 64bit :p
19:45:23  <TrueLight> yeah, tnx :)
19:45:26  <TrueLight> but in what dir are they?
19:45:39  <michi_cc> windows\system32\drivers
19:45:45  <TrueLight> k, than kyou VERY much!
19:45:52  <michi_cc> no problem
19:49:36  <orudge> If you need any other files, let me know, TrueLight, as I may be able to help too :p
19:50:06  <TrueLight> hehe
19:50:10  <TrueLight> this should be sufficiant
19:50:14  <TrueLight> if they would not segfault
19:50:14  <TrueLight> :s
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19:54:16  <TrueLight> michi_cc: what SP version was that?
19:54:39  <michi_cc> there is no service pack yet
19:54:43  <TrueLight> ah
19:54:44  <TrueLight> k :p
19:54:47  <TrueLight> Tnx :)
19:55:19  <michi_cc> it might be important that WinXP x64 is actually a Win2003 in disguise and no real XP
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20:02:42  <MagusX> Link:  i uploaded a version with some newgrfs and the 5205 if someone who dont knows how to install new graphics, download mine :)
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20:03:01  <petterhj> I have some helicopters and they only circulate the heliports, how come?
20:04:15  <Eddi|zuHause> MagusX: you might want to check out if you actually may distribute those newgrfs
20:08:22  <CIA-3> tron * r5219 /trunk/road_gui.c: CMD_CLEAR_AREA doesn't use p2, so don't pass anything seemingly meaningful
20:11:04  <CIA-3> tron * r5220 /trunk/configure: Testing for existence AND using rm -f is tautologous
20:11:29  <Tron> boring, there doesn't seem to be a good translation for "doppelt gemoppelt"
20:11:48  <Eddi|zuHause> hm...
20:12:10  <orudge>
20:12:21  <Eddi|zuHause> closest i find is "redundant"
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20:12:32  <Sacro> Tron: pmsl, whats it mean?
20:12:32  <orudge> As does that page
20:12:53  <orudge> "tautologous" is not a word one hears often at all
20:13:07  <orudge> "redundant" would make more sense to me
20:13:09  <orudge> but ah well, tis done now
20:13:11  <Sacro> orudge: thats exactly what i was going to say
20:13:11  <Sacro> followed by asking what it meant
20:13:15  <Eddi|zuHause> except if you're taking mathmatical logic lessons ;(
20:13:16  <Eddi|zuHause> ;)
20:13:47  <Tron> orudge: well, tautologous was exactly what dict.leo told me
20:15:23  <Tron> Sacro: "doppelt gemoppelt" is an informal expression if something is done or stated redundantly redundant (sic) multiple times
20:16:21  <Sacro> Tron: cool
20:16:41  <orudge> Tron: And then there's that page suggesting it may not be the best translation ;)
20:16:43  <orudge> but anyway
20:16:55  <Tron> orudge: i didn't check the forum
20:17:05  <Eddi|zuHause> the ethymology of that phrase could be intresting...
20:17:12  <orudge> Was just the result of a google search, anyway
20:17:23  <Eddi|zuHause> might be something for "Genial Daneben" ;)
20:18:41  <Tron> my Langscheidts (Longman) tells me "the same thing twice over"
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20:19:07  <Eddi|zuHause> that sound ridiculous ;)
20:19:10  <Tron> but that doesn't /feel/ fitting either
20:20:26  <Tron> "Etymologisches Wörterbuch des Deutschen" ... let's see
20:21:19  <Eddi|zuHause> that's written without h?
20:21:48  <Tron> yep
20:22:13  <Eddi|zuHause> ah well... my orthographic intuition plays tricks on me occasionally
20:23:32  <Tron> nothing
20:24:31  <Tron> maybe you english speaking guys should just adopt the phrase, like you did with Kindergarten, Rucksack or Gesundheit (;
20:26:35  <Sacro> hehe, i do use all 3 of them
20:26:48  <[D]Shaman> If RichK gets on, somebody tell him there were 0 desyncs and the server is still running.
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20:30:03  <Eddi|zuHause> actually, there were 2 desyncs, but they were totally unrelated ;)
20:30:49  <glx> good I now have a lot of money :)
20:38:35  <[D]Shaman> those were you
20:38:38  <[D]Shaman> glx: i got more :P
20:39:10  <[D]Shaman> 2043 atm
20:39:14  <[D]Shaman> got 300-m
20:39:16  <glx> yeah I saw :)
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20:39:48  <glx> I tried to connect but I forgot my CPU was already at 100% :)
20:40:14  <[D]Shaman> lol
20:40:33  <[D]Shaman> Client #46 is dropped because the client did not respond for more than 4 game-days
20:40:45  <glx> it was me ::
20:40:49  <[D]Shaman> yeh i know :P
20:44:51  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i got too much music...
20:44:59  <[D]Shaman> there is NO such thing as too much music :P
20:45:04  <[D]Shaman> I hit 304 hours :P
20:45:09  <[D]Shaman> on for another... 304 hours xD
20:45:19  <Eddi|zuHause> 1051 items [2 days+16:31:32] [5.02 GB]
20:45:28  <TrueLight> wasted my whole day on installing my wireless USB under linux :p
20:45:28  <TrueLight> lol
20:45:38  <[D]Shaman> Eddi|zuHause: only 5g?
20:45:46  <glx> TrueLight: and it works finally?
20:45:50  <TrueLight> Sacro: btw, the problem before was that 2.6.16 has a nice glitch ;)
20:45:52  <TrueLight> glx: no :(
20:45:54  <TrueLight> it segfaults
20:46:02  <Eddi|zuHause> i was going through them manually, and ended up with a playlist of 350 "good" songs
20:46:02  <Sacro> TrueLight: ahhh, so not a feature then
20:46:42  <TrueLight> The fix in the kernel;
20:46:45  <TrueLight> -#ifndef CONFIG_USB_NET_RNDIS
20:46:45  <TrueLight> +#ifndef CONFIG_USB_NET_RNDIS_HOST
20:46:47  <SchAmane> TrueLight, ndiswrapper ?
20:46:49  <TrueLight> :| :| :|
20:46:52  <TrueLight> SchAmane: yes
20:47:27  <Sacro> TrueLight: ill keep an eye out for that one when Arch released 2.6.16
20:47:31  <Sacro> *releases
20:47:35  <TrueLight> Sacro: do that :)
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20:47:39  <SchAmane> i got my wireless working throw ndiswrapper very well, but its pci device
20:47:50  <TrueLight> yeah, most pci devices are supported
20:48:02  <SchAmane> 2.6.16.x + ndiswrapper 1.17
20:48:07  <TrueLight> Sacro: BUS=="usb", SYSFS{idProduct}=="001b", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0baf", PROGRAM="/bin/sh
20:48:07  <TrueLight> -c 'echo 1 > /sys/%p/device/bConfigurationValue'"
20:48:15  <TrueLight> That fixes the problem via udev ;)
20:48:32  <TrueLight> I believe it is USB only, but I am not sure
20:48:35  <TrueLight> it is annoying for sure
20:48:59  <Sacro> TrueLight: ...that looks like a hack
20:48:59  <TrueLight> but okay
20:49:03  <TrueLight> Sacro: it is :)
20:49:22  <TrueLight> I believe it will be fixed in 2.6.17 :p
20:49:24  <Sacro> mines PCMCIA, so it might be different
20:49:31  <TrueLight> I hope so for you :)
20:49:39  <TrueLight> But it segfaults now because of the 64bit system here
20:50:07  <TrueLight> I Still don't get why 32bit is better supported then 64bit :(
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20:50:55  <SchAmane> what application today need 64bit OS ?
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20:51:02  <MagusX> because 64bits is new and they hate the fact of amd64bits processor be better
20:51:15  <TrueLight> MagusX: 'they'?
20:51:22  <MagusX> intel
20:51:24  <MagusX> microsoft
20:51:24  <TrueLight> SchAmane: floating point programs :)
20:51:32  <TrueLight> MagusX: this is a more general problem :)
20:51:37  <MagusX> yeah :/
20:51:42  <SchAmane> floating points use SSE2
20:51:51  <SchAmane> thats has nothing with 64bit adressing to do
20:52:08  <TrueLight> hehe, true, I mean more: I use a lot of big (really big) numbers
20:52:21  <TrueLight> in that you do notice it :) Hehe!
20:52:23  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... my music amounts to an average of 181.2839537 kbit/s
20:52:27  <SchAmane> 64bit has nothing to do with BIG Numbers
20:52:37  <Noldo> just bigger
20:52:41  <TrueLight> (sorry, did a bit too much calculation routines lately, I am a bit.. what is the english word for it...)
20:52:45  <SchAmane> its just bigger range for adress array
20:52:48  <SchAmane> in cpu
20:52:52  <TrueLight> SchAmane: it can handle 64bit numbers a bit faster ;)
20:52:59  <Sacro> you need 64 bits for a REALLY good openttd game :P
20:53:17  <SchAmane> Sacro, ah, yes, how i forgot
20:53:29  <TrueLight> Sacro: yeah, special features are enabled :p
20:53:30  * Sacro remembers the night we overflowed the money counter
20:53:36  <SchAmane> TrueLight you have no idea what 64bit is for :p
20:53:53  <Sacro> SchAmane: its for counting twice as high
20:53:57  <TrueLight> SchAmane: more then you know :) I just did too much calculations these last days :)
20:54:24  <TrueLight> You just asked what apps uses 64bit
20:54:33  <SchAmane> Sacro, yes, you get your credits in openttd double that fast on x86_64 than on x86 :o=
20:54:37  <TrueLight> I use software which does use it, and they are lovely and fast :)
20:54:51  <TrueLight> fast more because they are newer
20:54:53  <TrueLight> but all besides the point
20:54:55  <SchAmane> TrueLight, i asked what application need 64bit OS
20:55:11  <TrueLight> SchAmane: yes, and I have a few which do :)
20:55:14  <Eddi|zuHause> SchAmane: 64bit does not only mean you got 64 bit address space, but also that you got 64 bit instructions, so you can handle more data per machine instruction
20:55:16  <TrueLight> floating point programs
20:55:18  <TrueLight> big numbers :)
20:55:28  <MagusX> imo openttd should stay as is in graphics, the blender graphics will 'destroy' the classic
20:55:39  <TrueLight> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, and what were the stats... 3% speed increase? ;) :p
20:55:44  <SchAmane> TrueLight, this applications are faster on 64bit atlons only because this cpu cores are more productive than old one
20:55:57  <TrueLight> SchAmane: I did said that a moment ago, didn't I? :p
20:56:06  <SchAmane> mmx can handle 64bit already for long time
20:56:08  <SchAmane> :p
20:56:21  <TrueLight> yeah, even before that it was possible
20:56:25  <TrueLight> but the question is, with what speed :p
20:56:35  <TrueLight> I can handle up to 1024bit integers
20:56:44  <TrueLight> I just rather don't use it for massive matrix calculation :p
20:56:48  <TrueLight> just my idea...
20:57:08  <SchAmane> stupid discussion
20:57:13  <TrueLight> yeah
20:57:14  <TrueLight> it is late
20:57:16  <TrueLight> and I am VERY bored
20:57:22  <SchAmane> 64bit self dont give any performance
20:57:35  <MagusX> what gives is the programs
20:57:37  <SchAmane> there are just better cpu core designs in new cpus
20:57:38  <MagusX> who uses the 64bits
20:57:39  <SchAmane> thats all
20:57:48  <TrueLight> SchAmane: just intel fucked it up
20:57:52  <TrueLight> so that isn't true in general :p
20:58:00  <MagusX> intel SUCKS
20:58:04  <jonty-comp> :D
20:58:05  <MagusX> they dont accept amd as better
20:58:08  <MagusX> AMD OWNS
20:58:11  <SchAmane> i never had an intel cpu
20:58:20  <TrueLight> SchAmane: one tip, never get one
20:58:20  <MagusX> [SchAmane]: i had, my first computer, a pentium 100
20:58:20  <MagusX> =o
20:58:23  <SchAmane> and i had a lot of cpus in my life
20:58:33  <MagusX> TrueLight, obvious =o
20:58:38  * jonty-comp has AMD Sempron64 3400+ and it performs better than his mum's P4 3.2 Ghz
20:58:43  <TrueLight> I didn't touched intel CPUs for a long long time
20:58:45  <SchAmane> my first cpu was amd 586
20:58:53  <TrueLight> mine a 286! :p
20:58:56  <MagusX> i have a AMD Sempron 2600+
20:58:57  <TrueLight> Ooh, that makes me old....
20:58:58  <MagusX> im poor
20:59:01  <SchAmane> i think it was at 100Mhz
20:59:05  <MagusX> but it haves a good performance to mee
20:59:06  <MagusX> :)
20:59:08  <SchAmane> i mean my personal
20:59:09  <TrueLight> MagusX: I have a AMD 2000+ :p
20:59:18  <SchAmane> i also had comondore 64K
20:59:21  <MagusX> [TrueLight]: computer here is expensive
20:59:22  <MagusX> :/
20:59:29  <SchAmane> and worked on 8086 in UNI
20:59:35  <TrueLight> MagusX: here it is payable, just I don't feel like upgrading
20:59:37  <TrueLight> works just fine
20:59:56  <MagusX> [[TrueLight]]: same... but i will when i got enough money
21:00:01  <MagusX> probably at year end
21:00:21  <peter1138> hmm
21:00:25  <peter1138> that was a nice bbq
21:00:28  <SchAmane> so i worked on 8086, 286, 386, 486, 586, k5, k6, k7 and now i have Athlon-64 X2 here
21:00:34  <MagusX> wow
21:00:38  <TrueLight> MagusX: I don't feel like upgrading until I really can't start doing stuff...
21:00:49  <TrueLight> the only thing that sucks is that my HDs are slow (ATA33 RULEZ! :p)
21:00:51  <MagusX> ««TrueLight»»: oh... good point
21:00:58  <MagusX> im 16 :P
21:01:09  <TrueLight> so you still want too much :p
21:01:10  <TrueLight> good point :)
21:01:13  <MagusX> yeah lol
21:01:32  <SchAmane> amd was good most of the time (if you forget some overhiting problems with few cpu cores =) )
21:01:35  <MagusX> but what else a teen of 16 years can think except sex and games? lol
21:01:40  <Sacro> hmm, sex
21:01:48  <MagusX> except sex
21:01:52  <TrueLight> sex? What is sex?
21:01:55  <MagusX> lol
21:02:00  <TrueLight> can you eat that?
21:02:04  <MagusX> LOL
21:03:33  <TrueLight> I am just 7 years old and I have no idea what you guys talk about :p
21:03:35  <TrueLight> heheheheheh
21:04:07  <MagusX> ok, i will play soldat
21:04:38  <TrueLight> !whatis solday
21:04:40  <jmp_ghli> >TrueLight> No match.
21:04:45  <TrueLight> !whatis soldat
21:04:46  <jmp_ghli> >TrueLight> No match.
21:05:23  <SchAmane> how long it takes until openttd svn version get utf-8 ?
21:05:41  <peter1138> well there's a utf8 branch
21:05:44  <TrueLight> SchAmane: as long as it takes you to type: svn switch svn:// .
21:05:49  <MagusX> LOL
21:05:50  <MagusX> owned
21:06:12  <SchAmane> ok, how long it take until branch would be merged in to trunk ?
21:06:32  <CIA-3> tron * r5221 /trunk/tile.h:
21:06:32  <CIA-3> Make the assertion in SetTileType() more strict: "lower edge of map <=> VOID" instead of just "lower edge of map => VOID"
21:06:32  <CIA-3> This works since the hack abusing SetTileType() in openttd.c is gone (r5171)
21:06:39  <peter1138> "when it's ready"
21:06:43  <MagusX> owned
21:06:58  <TrueLight> MagusX: okay, you just confirmed you being 16
21:06:59  <peter1138> MagusX: anything useful to say?
21:07:17  <SchAmane> any ETA ?
21:07:22  <MagusX> nothing
21:07:24  <SchAmane> is there still a lot to do ?
21:07:26  <MagusX> :~~
21:07:31  <peter1138> no. however, it is fully playable.
21:07:53  <Noldo> peter1138: what is missing then?
21:09:20  <TrueLight> Is there still a lot to do? No. However <- However mostly indicates a controdiction, I fail to see it here, or is it not a good thing it is almost done?
21:09:21  <TrueLight> :p
21:09:40  <peter1138> conversion of savegame data, some way of inputting arbitrary unicode characters, lots of testing...
21:09:52  <peter1138> TrueLight: 'twas in response to "any ETA" :-)
21:09:56  <TrueLight> :p
21:10:25  <peter1138> and tron probably has some opinion on it, but hasn't enlightened us yet
21:12:50  <SchAmane> hmm
21:15:43  <[D]Shaman> Hmf, think I'll go re-build Thresher then.
21:15:56  <SchAmane> hmm
21:16:00  <peter1138> you could test it, but the lang files aren't utf8 yet
21:16:15  <SchAmane> i compiled utf8, but it shows only "?????" for works
21:16:22  <glx> only unfinished/ukrainian is utf8
21:16:33  <SchAmane> i use ukrainian
21:16:50  <SchAmane> txt file is very well
21:16:56  <peter1138> yeah, it's cyrillic. by default there's no cyrillic chars
21:17:07  <SchAmane> maybe i need congifure some monual cyrylic font ?
21:17:22  <peter1138> did you enable freetype support?
21:17:31  <SchAmane> no, how i do this ?
21:17:41  <peter1138> there's a grf you can use which has cyrillic characters
21:17:44  <SchAmane> i just get svn and than typed "make"
21:18:02  <SchAmane> 2ccmap.grf ?
21:18:54  <peter1138>
21:19:14  <SchAmane> how i do use freetype font ?
21:19:17  <peter1138> (it's missing some ukrainian chars, but most of it's there)
21:19:31  <peter1138> for freetype, you firstly need the freetype dev stuff installed
21:19:36  <peter1138> then ./configure --with-freetype
21:19:37  <peter1138> and recompile
21:19:52  <SchAmane> its missing ?
21:19:58  <peter1138> yes
21:20:02  <peter1138> and overs
21:20:11  <SchAmane> peter1138, i am on gentoo =)
21:20:17  <peter1138> errr
21:20:19  <peter1138> others
21:20:46  <SchAmane> and ?
21:20:49  <SchAmane> ?
21:20:55  <peter1138> yup
21:20:56  <SchAmane> that must be all
21:21:10  <peter1138> there's a couple of other ukrainian chars missing
21:21:16  <peter1138> i didn't draw them though
21:21:20  <SchAmane> i will try first grf way, than recompile it with freetype support
21:21:45  <peter1138> i only converted the grf from the russian openttd patch to use the unicode mapping stuff
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21:23:34  <SchAmane> hehe
21:23:45  <SchAmane> grf way looks nice
21:25:44  <SchAmane> is freetype a problem for other platform than linux ?
21:26:18  <peter1138> shouldn't be, but only the makefile supports it currently
21:26:36  <peter1138> the compile farm can build windows binaries fine
21:27:01  <SchAmane> do it compile staticaly in to opentd binary ?
21:27:08  <peter1138> no
21:27:16  <SchAmane> dll ?
21:28:19  <SchAmane> peter1138, i recompiled openttd with --with-freetype but it shows "?" for chars
21:34:54  <Rubidium> you might need to specify the fonts it has to use
21:35:03  <SchAmane> peter1138, shoul i reconfigure it somehow to use correct font on freetype ?
21:35:08  <SchAmane> Rubidium, and how ?
21:35:11  <peter1138> oh, yeha, that's the other thing that's suboptimal
21:35:46  <Rubidium> under '[misc]' in openttd.cfg I have:
21:35:48  <peter1138> in openttd.cfg in the misc section, there'll now be some font settings
21:35:50  <Rubidium> small_font = /usr/share/fonts/truetype/tahoma.ttf
21:36:00  <Rubidium> and same for normal and large
21:36:19  <SchAmane> ok
21:36:27  <peter1138> i'm using arial unicode atm, heh
21:36:35  <peter1138> contains pretty much every character you'll ever need :D
21:36:46  <peter1138> it is 23MB though
21:37:31  <SchAmane> i try bitestream vera
21:42:12  <SchAmane> arial  works, bitstream vera not
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21:47:50  <Sacro> hmm, Windows Whistler
21:48:25  * Sacro realises that'd be a pointless download
21:50:34  <[D]Shaman> hmf, apt-get installing mono-gmcs will download more than that apt-get upgrade of last week O_O
21:51:24  <Sacro> lol
21:52:12  <[D]Shaman> that can't be right :P
21:52:26  <[D]Shaman> and it all seemed to work still O_O
21:52:28  * [D]Shaman is impressed
21:52:36  <[D]Shaman> usually mono fucks the old mono up :o
21:52:40  <Sacro> lol
21:52:41  <[D]Shaman> eh, mono-gmcs
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21:52:54  <Sacro> i havent used mono yet, any nice tutorials? or can i just learn C#?
21:53:00  <[D]Shaman> it's being like "Ah yer using the new shit anyways, why use the old one!?!?"
21:53:06  <SchAmane> gmcs ?
21:53:07  <[D]Shaman> C# is easy tbh :P
21:53:11  <[D]Shaman> if you can do C you can do C#
21:53:18  <SchAmane> mono works great
21:53:22  <[D]Shaman> SchAmane: the .net 2.0-lookalike version of mcs
21:53:37  <[D]Shaman> it supposedly supports a lot of .net 2.0 shit
21:53:40  <[D]Shaman> which is HANDY
21:53:47  <SchAmane> ok
21:54:10  <[D]Shaman> I can still remember when I was inheriting ArrayList or SortedList to make arraylists out of certain types
21:54:22  <[D]Shaman> now you can use SortedList<Type> or List<Type> and it works smooth
21:54:37  <[D]Shaman> saves at least 20 typos per type-list :P
21:54:42  <SchAmane> :o]
21:54:53  <Sacro> hmm
21:55:19  <[D]Shaman> Sacro: If you use windows, get Visual Studio 2005
21:55:26  <[D]Shaman> else.. get the linux similar of it :P
21:55:36  <[D]Shaman> SharpDevelop might work, never used it myself
21:55:41  <Sacro> [D]Shaman: i cant stand VS2005
21:55:46  <Sacro> i have MonoDevelop
21:55:48  <SchAmane> i use monodevelop
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21:55:54  <[D]Shaman> Sacro: It's better than MonoDevlop/SharpDevelop tbh
21:56:09  <SchAmane> actualy it not working here, because of gtk+2.9.2 bugs =)
21:56:20  <Sacro> [D]Shaman: well ive been looking into my future, and its either do a uni course -> java
21:56:33  <Sacro> or try and get a job, and save up and do MCAD -> C#
21:56:39  <Sacro> or maybe CCNA
21:56:46  * [D]Shaman nods
21:56:49  <[D]Shaman> do all ;)
21:57:00  <[D]Shaman> SchAmane: I don't use gtk ;)
21:57:16  <Sacro> hmm, my mum wanted a cup of tea an hour ago...
21:57:34  <Sacro> [D]Shaman: wish i could afford to
21:57:42  <Sacro> id also like to do my HGV and PPL
21:57:50  * [D]Shaman nods
21:58:15  <[D]Shaman> There's a lot of things you can do
21:58:21  <[D]Shaman> hacking microsoft can get you a job as well ;)
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21:58:51  <[D]Shaman> either a job of picking up soap
21:58:55  <[D]Shaman> or a job IN ms :P
21:59:22  <TrueLight> !calc ibase=16
21:59:24  <jmp_ghli> >TrueLight> Internal error. Use !bug to report it
21:59:34  <TrueLight> stupid c/p
21:59:41  <glx> hehe
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21:59:58  <TrueLight> !calc ibase=16 fffff78000000000 - fffff77f8862aa60
22:00:00  <jmp_ghli> >TrueLight> Internal error. Use !bug to report it
22:00:03  <TrueLight> bah
22:00:07  <TrueLight> I always fail in this :p
22:00:17  <glx> 0x?
22:01:04  <[D]Shaman> !calc 0xfffff78000000000 - 0xfffff77f8862aa60.
22:01:20  <[D]Shaman> think the bot dun like me :p
22:01:26  <glx> [D]Shaman: you're not registered
22:01:27  <TrueLight> !reg
22:01:28  <jmp_ghli> >TrueLight> Regisztracio magyarul: | registration in english:
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22:01:57  <glx> !calc 0xfffff78000000000 - 0xfffff77f8862aa60
22:01:58  <jmp_ghli> >glx> Internal error. Use !bug to report it
22:02:05  <glx> !calc help
22:02:06  <jmp_ghli> >glx> 0
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22:02:16  <[D]Shaman> pff, cba :P
22:02:29  * peter1138 implemented ssss in c# today. not nice.
22:02:32  <TrueLight> google rules!
22:02:37  <TrueLight>
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22:03:05  * peter1138 > sleep
22:03:14  <glx> good night peter1138
22:03:26  <SchAmane> peter1138, are you from ukraine ?
22:03:28  <[D]Shaman> yer greater than sleep? sweet, have fun pulling an all-nighter then :P
22:03:39  <peter1138> no
22:03:44  <peter1138> uk ;p
22:03:53  <peter1138> [D]Shaman: yes
22:03:55  <SchAmane> some west city ?
22:04:08  <[D]Shaman> ah, brits :o
22:04:09  <[D]Shaman> whereabouts?
22:04:30  <peter1138> uh, middleish
22:04:39  <peter1138> but... nini
22:04:46  <SchAmane> kiev ? =)
22:04:55  <[D]Shaman> SchAmane: He's a brit.
22:05:00  <[D]Shaman> kiev is waaaaaaaaay off :P
22:05:05  <peter1138> i dunno
22:05:13  <peter1138> i can get nice chicken kievs at tesco
22:06:01  <SchAmane> ah, uk, sorry
22:06:24  <[D]Shaman> lol
22:08:21  <SchAmane> uk charset is "ukraine"
22:08:28  <SchAmane> so i missunderstud
22:08:57  <SchAmane> you meaned GB
22:10:01  <[D]Shaman> .uk == United Kingdom ;)
22:11:40  <SchAmane> uk_UK is ukrainian charset
22:12:00  <SchAmane> uk_UA.UTF-8
22:12:12  <SchAmane> i like new sounds in openttd =)
22:12:37  <SchAmane> they are funky and not annoing
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22:20:39  <Sacro> what about us?
22:21:05  <Sacro> new sounds in openttd??? since when???
22:21:20  <Sacro> and is it actual newsounds?
22:21:32  <Sacro> like chuff chuff chuff...WHOOO WHOOOO etc?
22:25:12  <SchAmane> its not only new sound
22:25:16  <SchAmane> its 3d sound =)
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22:25:46  <Sacro> SchAmane: are we talking about newgrf newsounds?like in UKRS on TTDPatch?
22:25:49  <SchAmane> wow, i just realized, that my sound box do WHOOOP on left or right speaker if i place rails left or right
22:25:58  <Sacro> yeah, stereo openttd
22:26:08  <SchAmane> no, no new grf
22:26:25  <SchAmane> just svn version sounds are different than thay was
22:29:54  <SchAmane> funny things
22:30:07  <SchAmane> i build 95% only trains if i play openttd =)
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22:34:14  <Sacro> hmm
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22:52:39  <Eddi|zuHause> am i the only persong getting confused when there is a "Sxh
22:52:52  <Sacro> :?
22:52:56  <Eddi|zuHause> "SchAmane" and a "[D]Shaman"
22:52:59  <Eddi|zuHause> in the channel
22:53:14  <Eddi|zuHause> sorry... hit return instead of backspace
22:53:21  <Eddi|zuHause> happens to me all the time :p
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22:53:52  <Bjarni> we all tried that
22:54:00  <SchAmane> Eddi|zuHause, you are only one persong
22:54:06  <SchAmane> :D
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22:54:23  <Sacro> hmm
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22:54:47  <Xaroth> Eddi: I can talk through this as well ;)
22:54:52  <[D]Shaman> To confuse you even more
22:54:59  <Xaroth> Or am I just being mean now?
22:55:03  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, please ;)
22:55:39  *** Bjarni is now known as |D|Shaman
22:55:46  <SchAmane> anyway i am older one of SchAmane's
22:55:58  <|D|Shaman> Eddi|zuHause: now you got a nice little task to tell people apart in here :P
22:56:03  <[D]Shaman> lol
22:56:08  <[D]Shaman> The @ would do it for me :)
22:56:09  <SchAmane> i am pretty long on this channel :p
22:56:20  *** Sacro is now known as {D}Shamen
22:56:25  <{D}Shamen> this is quite fun
22:56:47  *** mode/#openttd [-o |D|Shaman] by |D|Shaman
22:56:51  <|D|Shaman> no more @
22:56:58  <SchAmane> what is that |D| for ?
22:56:59  <{D}Shamen> one of us :P
22:57:15  <|D|Shaman> I had to think for a moment to figure out which shaman, that should have the op status removed
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22:57:29  <|D|Shaman> no, don't go back now
22:57:32  <Eddi|zuHause> NOW this is getting intersting ;)
22:57:37  <[D]Shaman> lol
22:57:38  <Bjarni> lol
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22:57:46  <Sacro> ahem :P
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22:58:00  <[D]Shaman> lol
22:58:04  <Bjarni> im not sure quite who i am now
22:58:17  <Eddi|zuHause> that is normal state for you i thought ;)
22:58:19  <CrazyGoogle> nobodys perfect
22:58:20  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: The [D] is my clantag.
22:58:25  <Sacro> dammit, my head hurts from his inpersonation :(
22:58:44  <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, for what game ? [D] is for Deutchland ?
22:58:45  <CrazyGoogle> =)
22:58:46  <Bjarni> nothing wrong with it
22:58:55  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: [D]oomcraft, and multiple games
22:59:01  <[D]Shaman> we're more a community than a 'clan'
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22:59:13  <CrazyGoogle> doomer
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22:59:34  <CrazyGoogle> opentdd sucks as name
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22:59:50  <CrazyGoogle> openttder sounds like shit
22:59:58  <Bjarni> CrazyGoogle: you got a better name?
23:00:07  <Bjarni> I mean one that we can agree on
23:00:12  <CrazyGoogle> ;o]
23:00:20  <Sacro> OI
23:00:22  <CrazyGoogle> i didnt think on that yet
23:00:24  <Sacro> :P
23:00:40  <Bjarni> each time we talked about getting a decent name, nobody could agree to anything, so nothing changed
23:00:49  <CrazyGoogle> imagine on some openttd con, somebody comes to you and say - hey, i am openttder
23:01:05  <[D]Shaman> you don't say that
23:01:11  <[D]Shaman> you say, "Hey, I play OpenTTD".
23:01:20  <Bjarni> no you don't
23:01:22  <Bjarni> you say
23:01:32  <CrazyGoogle> yea
23:01:33  <Bjarni> "Are you a fellow OpenTTD freak?"
23:01:35  <Eddi|zuHause> somehow i don't think that openttd can get enough people at the same place to call it a "openttd-con" ;)
23:01:37  <CrazyGoogle> so uncool
23:01:37  <[D]Shaman> "All your trains are belong to me"
23:02:06  <CrazyGoogle> Hi, i play OpenTDD, do you want i clean your shoes? " =)
23:02:09  <Brianetta> all your stations are belong to us
23:02:15  <Sacro> im in your depot, destroying your trains
23:02:21  <Bjarni> actually I would not go to an OpenTTD con
23:02:24  <Brianetta> hm
23:02:30  <Brianetta> s/stations/depot/
23:02:38  <Brianetta> all your depot are belong to us
23:02:39  <Sacro> i would
23:02:39  <Bjarni> people, that might show up at such a event scares me
23:02:43  <CrazyGoogle> yo man
23:03:00  <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: that was exactly Bjarni's point ;)
23:03:01  <Bjarni> Sacro: we have known for a long time, that you are really scary
23:03:22  <[D]Shaman> Bjarni: I'd go, and take a bb-gun with me to shoot Sacro :P
23:03:40  <Bjarni> why a bb-gun?
23:03:43  <CrazyGoogle> D-Shaman, you play UT ? or BF2 ?
23:04:02  <[D]Shaman> used to, don't play BF2 though, hate that game
23:04:09  <Brianetta> Bjarni: You can shoot somebody, and only be tried for assault, not murder
23:04:31  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: yes, i gathered it'd be a dig at me
23:04:43  <[D]Shaman> ATM, My play list: WoW(Untill subscription runs out in a week or 2), EVE-Online, Warsow, GR:AW, RVS, CSS, Planetside, OpenTTD, NexusWar
23:04:45  <Sacro> what if i brought bobingabout with me
23:04:48  <[D]Shaman> and.. a lot more of EVE :p
23:04:50  <CrazyGoogle> openttd'ever
23:04:57  <CrazyGoogle> eve
23:05:08  <Bjarni> Brianetta: if it depends on that, I would do (CLASSIFIED) and I would not even be charged of anything
23:05:12  <CrazyGoogle> oh, that nice crazy virtual reality game
23:05:40  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	what if i brought bobingabout with me <-- then we will give you and bobingabout a bbgun each
23:05:42  <CrazyGoogle> how its going ? Still so laggy and GMs still play unfair ?
23:05:43  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: Yep, it's definatly a crazy game :P
23:05:49  <Bjarni> that would be a win-win
23:06:01  <[D]Shaman> yeh, shoot eachother, I'll bring popcorn.
23:06:17  <Bjarni> nomatter who pulls the trigger first, we would win
23:06:24  <[D]Shaman> lol
23:06:26  * CrazyGoogle takes his AK-74
23:06:35  <Bjarni> 74???
23:06:40  <[D]Shaman> pff
23:06:42  <[D]Shaman> 47 > 74
23:06:48  <Sacro> hes got it pointing backwards
23:06:50  <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, i left eve about 1 year ago
23:06:59  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: That.. is your sin ;)
23:07:01  <Sacro> [D]Shaman: i assure you that 47 < 74
23:07:05  <Bjarni> you don't know much about weaponry when you make mistakes like that :P
23:07:09  <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, as Curse Aliance goes down
23:07:17  * [D]Shaman shrugs
23:07:20  <Sacro> or maths :)
23:07:27  <[D]Shaman> we got BoB up our ass at our alliance's space :P
23:07:41  <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: but in a field with characteristic > 0 it is both ;)
23:07:42  <[D]Shaman> so.. grieving/ganking/laming on their side
23:07:45  <CrazyGoogle> i dont know any BoB
23:07:50  <Bjarni> 	<[D]Shaman>	we got BoB up our ass <--- no details, thank you
23:08:04  <CrazyGoogle> i played in beta, than 2 years in release, and left because this game sucks a lot
23:08:18  <[D]Shaman> Bjarni: BoB is the 'main' cunt-guild, they like to take people up their asses :P
23:08:33  <[D]Shaman> It doesn't such tbh, at least way less than wow :P
23:08:33  <Bjarni> what is BoB anyway?
23:08:38  <CrazyGoogle> i am sure BoB would be never so good loke moO was
23:08:39  <[D]Shaman> an alliance
23:08:53  <[D]Shaman> in that game you have corperations, like guilds in wow
23:08:59  <Sacro> <[D]Shaman> Bjarni: BoB is the 'main' cunt-guild, they like to take people up their asses :P <--- i dont think i even wnana think about that
23:08:59  <CrazyGoogle> did you heared about moO corporation ?
23:09:03  <[D]Shaman> and alliances that can be formed between corps
23:09:23  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: I've only played that game for 4 months, I know nothing about oldskool corps :P
23:09:33  <Eddi|zuHause> (characteristic of a field is n, if n is the smallest number that fulfills x+n*1 = x, 0 if it is never fulfilled)
23:09:49  <Sacro> how much is Eve?
23:09:59  <[D]Shaman> same as wow
23:10:06  <[D]Shaman> in euros.. 38/3m
23:10:07  <Bjarni> oh btw, about the shooting of each other. At one time there was a tie in a duel in the wild west... the bullets hit each other o_O
23:10:13  <CrazyGoogle> 15Euro/mounth
23:10:23  <CrazyGoogle> game idea is amazing
23:10:29  <CrazyGoogle> better than you can imagine
23:10:35  <CrazyGoogle> but realisation sucks in any point
23:10:35  <[D]Shaman> that game is massive
23:10:37  <Bjarni> try me
23:10:39  <[D]Shaman> they said wow would be 'big'
23:10:45  <Sacro> can i have it in GBP?
23:10:49  <[D]Shaman> but after 3 days people been anywhere
23:10:50  <CrazyGoogle> starting at using microsoft as server platform
23:10:58  <[D]Shaman> Sacro: 1 pound == 1.4 euros
23:11:04  <Sacro> it looks kinda like X Online'
23:11:06  <CrazyGoogle> ending at GameMasters playing
23:11:09  <[D]Shaman> Sacro: yep
23:11:18  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: GM's don't play, ISD do.
23:11:26  <CrazyGoogle> X Online is babyfax to compare to eve
23:11:27  <[D]Shaman> but ISD are just players who can 'answer shit'
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23:11:43  <Bjarni> what game are you talking about?
23:11:47  <[D]Shaman> eve.
23:11:57  <Bjarni> never heard of it
23:12:01  <CrazyGoogle> GM i know, they never play, but they do support some corporations with information, you would see that clearly some day
23:12:02  <[D]Shaman>
23:12:04  <Sacro> i hope you can get it on direct debit, or splashplastic
23:12:13  <CrazyGoogle> whach trailer
23:12:17  <CrazyGoogle> from gameplay
23:12:30  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: Nowadays the gms who do events 'take over' npcs and make a massive invasion in an alliance's space :P
23:12:35  <Sacro> do i need a joystick?
23:12:41  <[D]Shaman> Sacro: I can get you a 14-day trial?
23:12:43  <CrazyGoogle> Sacro, no =)
23:12:48  <CrazyGoogle> you dont need fly self
23:12:51  <Sacro> [D]Shaman: that'd be great
23:12:53  <Sacro> i like flying
23:12:57  <CrazyGoogle> ;o) its not X Online
23:13:01  <[D]Shaman> then I'd need an email addy
23:13:01  <Sacro> im a big player of X and X2
23:13:11  <Sacro> [D]Shaman:
23:13:12  <CrazyGoogle> Sacro, believe me, you dont what fly self in this game
23:13:14  <[D]Shaman> Eve has no 'manual control'
23:13:19  <[D]Shaman> it's.. point and it'll fly there :p
23:13:22  <CrazyGoogle> its tactic game - not babyflying
23:13:47  <[D]Shaman> Sacro: Sent
23:13:48  <CrazyGoogle> you would have no time to fly your ship manualy
23:14:04  <Sacro> hmm, 200kbps
23:14:12  <Sacro> oh righ
23:14:12  <Sacro> t
23:14:19  <Sacro> well ill have a play around, see what i can figure
23:14:21  <[D]Shaman> the tactics in eve are amazing tbh.. -every- mmo has the level 2 > level 1
23:14:25  <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, i still have 400 kk and few battleships in game =)
23:14:29  <Bjarni> In the case of EVE, a nominal monthly subscription is charged for each player's account <-- they steal people's time by making them go online each day and they even take their money on a regular basis
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23:14:35  <[D]Shaman> here, there are no levels, but still, get enough people in tiny ships and you can fuck -everything- up :P
23:14:48  <[D]Shaman> Bjarni: true :P
23:14:53  <CrazyGoogle> Sacro, if you try this game - be prepared, you would play it alot than
23:14:54  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: giev! :o
23:14:58  <CrazyGoogle> and its not easy to leave
23:15:11  <Sacro> yeah, ive had that with OpenTTD too, and X2
23:15:11  <MagusX> [CrazyGoogle]: only if you are without money to pay
23:15:12  <MagusX> ^^
23:15:18  <Sacro> i am without money
23:15:18  <MagusX> X2?
23:15:21  <MagusX> X3 OWNS
23:15:24  <MagusX> Freelancer OWNS
23:15:27  <CrazyGoogle> MagusX, yes, that solve a lot =)
23:15:27  <[D]Shaman> X3 isn't in shops here :/
23:15:33  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: gimme yer money xD
23:15:35  <MagusX> torrent? :P
23:15:43  <[D]Shaman> I'm stuck at 10m atm >_<
23:15:43  <Sacro> dont let brianetta hear that
23:15:48  <MagusX> i played Freelancer alot of time
23:15:52  <CrazyGoogle> Shaman i would better share my expirience with you =)
23:16:00  <CrazyGoogle> you play 4 mount ?
23:16:02  <Bjarni> and it's windows only
23:16:03  <Sacro> does eve run well under wine?
23:16:05  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: I'm a carebear :P
23:16:15  <[D]Shaman> Sacro: It supposedly works under linux, though i don't know how
23:16:21  <CrazyGoogle> so you even cant fly battle. My money wouldnt help you
23:16:30  <[D]Shaman> read the forums, game-dev forum would give some info
23:16:33  <CrazyGoogle> it dont work on linux
23:16:37  <Sacro> [D]Shaman: hmm, just wondering whether it'd be wine, or cedega thats needed
23:16:39  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: I'm an industrialist
23:16:41  <CrazyGoogle> i tryed
23:16:43  <CrazyGoogle> hardly
23:16:48  <CrazyGoogle> it dont work on linux
23:16:49  <[D]Shaman> my next step is exhumers, not battleships :p
23:17:00  <CrazyGoogle> Shaman, industrialist sucks
23:17:08  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: Not at all, we fuel the wars ;)
23:17:08  <MagusX> well
23:17:12  <MagusX> i heard alot good
23:17:13  <CrazyGoogle> there is only one true profession - pirate
23:17:14  <MagusX> about eveonline
23:17:18  <MagusX> but im out of $$
23:17:20  <MagusX> ahhh :(
23:17:37  <[D]Shaman> here, buy this BS off of me, <person buys bs, gets blown up>, awww got blown up? got another one for sale you know <person buys ANOTHER bs> :p
23:17:53  <[D]Shaman> MagusX: If you want a 14-day trial let me know
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23:17:55  <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, beleave me i played a lot more than you. I builded and managed POS self. I am telling you - there is only one true profession - pirate
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23:18:02  <MagusX> [D]Shaman: nah
23:18:07  <MagusX> ([D]Shaman)~%: then i will love the game
23:18:12  <MagusX> and i will not be able to play
23:18:13  <MagusX> :(
23:18:15  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: Piratting seems fun tbh
23:18:16  <MagusX> then i prefer dont play
23:18:19  <[D]Shaman> but I'm anti-pie-rat
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23:18:33  <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, i was also first year
23:18:38  <[D]Shaman> supporting a POS is piss easy btw :P
23:18:48  * Sacro tries to pirate eve
23:19:16  <CrazyGoogle> maybe this days. First days POS was included in game there was no easy way to get ICE
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23:19:58  <[D]Shaman> heh
23:20:07  <CrazyGoogle> every body, if you dont plan to spend weeks in game and pay 15euro/month - even dont look the web site
23:20:08  <[D]Shaman> there's an ice field 5 jumps away from me in a .9 system
23:20:19  <CrazyGoogle> oh o_O
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23:20:28  <[D]Shaman> lots of afk-miners though
23:20:35  <CrazyGoogle> as i was playing ICE fields was rare and only in 0.0 systems
23:20:38  <[D]Shaman> helped the gms bust at least 8 of em
23:20:43  <CrazyGoogle> even there very rare
23:20:45  <Bjarni> 	<[D]Shaman>	but I'm anti-pie-rat <-- oh that reminds me of something I heard. Piracy is when you steal stuff, and if you make a pirated copy of some software, you don't steal from the company, that originally coded this, therefore pirated copies do not exist
23:20:57  <[D]Shaman> Eh, not -THAT- kind of pie-rats, Bjarni :P
23:21:08  <Bjarni> somehow I think it's invented by somebody, who wants to pirate everything or something like that
23:21:25  <[D]Shaman> the ice fields in 0.0 are way better though
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23:21:42  <[D]Shaman> way better as in better^100000
23:22:00  <Bjarni> even if piracy is physical stealing, so software pirate is the wrong word for it, it will not be legalised by such an argument
23:23:50  <CrazyGoogle> one day we was pirating in trading 1.0 solar system using game bug
23:23:53  <CrazyGoogle> that was fun
23:24:05  <CrazyGoogle> how this central system is called ? Agile ?
23:24:11  <CrazyGoogle> or something like that
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23:24:21  * Sacro hoists the main brace, grabs his cutlass and sets charge towards bittorrent
23:24:28  <[D]Shaman> It's now Jita / Oursulaert / Rens
23:24:33  <[D]Shaman> as main 'hubs'
23:24:42  <[D]Shaman> Sacro: btw, IF you go play it, FINISH THE TUTORIAL
23:24:49  <[D]Shaman> the ingame tutorial is -SO- important to do
23:24:50  <CrazyGoogle> there was also another bug - called "dupe" - it made our corporation reachest corp in one night
23:25:23  <Sacro> [D]Shaman: yeah so i see
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23:26:12  <RichK67> hi all
23:26:18  <[D]Shaman> the tut will say 1 thing multiple times, which is "When in doubt, right click"... obey that rule
23:26:22  <[D]Shaman> RichK67: hi :)
23:26:30  <[D]Shaman> server's all fine, no desyncs no crashes.
23:26:31  <CrazyGoogle> hi
23:26:37  <[D]Shaman> except Eddi who fails to have a sane client :P
23:26:39  <Sacro> helloooooooo RichK67
23:26:50  <RichK67> looks like i may have got the bug then :)
23:26:58  <RichK67> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii sacroooooooooooooooooooooooo
23:27:37  <Sacro> RichK67: cool doppler affect you got going there
23:27:47  <Eddi|zuHause> nah... the client was fine... i just had a .cfg that contained newgrf and forgot about it ;)
23:27:55  <RichK67> lol - speed o light baby.. yeah
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23:28:18  <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, what aliance you play for ?
23:28:28  <Eddi|zuHause> Doppler Effekt has nothing to do with speed of light...
23:28:38  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: Atm, Fountain Alliance
23:28:41  <Eddi|zuHause> you notice it every time a police car goes by
23:28:59  <Eddi|zuHause> and they hardly got speed of light ;)
23:28:59  <[D]Shaman> we joined them 3 weeks ago, but due to bob infestations i'm not heading there untill i have jumclones
23:29:04  <RichK67> eddi: no TGP release (MiniIN or patch) yet has the fix in it
23:29:09  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: yes it does, cars lights are white when they come towards you, and red when its going away
23:29:16  <RichK67> only my dev version
23:29:31  <[D]Shaman> working on making bpc's out of every bpo i got..taking fkin ages :/
23:30:08  <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: that reminds me of a joke ;)
23:30:10  <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, hehe, your aliance sucks. We was fighting FA alltime
23:30:19  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: ooh, recite it for us
23:30:21  <Eddi|zuHause> Physics teacher asks the class what is faster, sound or light
23:30:26  <RichK67> close to the speed of light, a white car will appear blue to an observer as it approaches, and red as it recedes
23:30:28  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: Things changed.. what alliance you in?
23:30:49  <Eddi|zuHause> first pupil says: light... because when you switch the radio on, you first see light, and then hear sound
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23:31:01  <CrazyGoogle> i was in Curse Aliance, but it dont exist now
23:31:12  <Eddi|zuHause> second pupil says: no, sound... when you switch on the TV, you first hear voices before seeing the picture
23:31:26  <Eddi|zuHause> third pupil says: no, they are both same
23:31:31  <CrazyGoogle> primary we fight Stain and secondary FA
23:31:33  <Eddi|zuHause> teacher asks why he thinks that
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23:31:46  <[D]Shaman> ah
23:31:54  <[D]Shaman> We're helping Stain kick the shit out of bob :p
23:31:57  <Eddi|zuHause> because, when there's storm, you first see lightning, and then hear the thunder
23:31:59  <CrazyGoogle> actualy FA looks like territorialy bigest allience there
23:32:01  * RichK67 awaits punchline
23:32:19  <Eddi|zuHause> pupil answers: yes, that is because the ears are behind the eyes
23:32:22  <[D]Shaman> -if- people get arroused enough to actually get off their lazy asses and fight we manage to put multiple bob pos'es in reinforced
23:32:31  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: hmm, it make sense
23:32:40  <Sacro> [D]Shaman: you have to be aroused to fight :|
23:32:51  <[D]Shaman> Sacro: Some people apparantly do.
23:33:02  <Hagbard_Ub> can any of you join pass:swec ?
23:33:04  <RichK67> eddi: lol
23:33:22  <CrazyGoogle> all newbs are industries :o) They do mining for people like me, who like have fun from game :o)
23:33:29  <[D]Shaman> and atm, ASCN is the biggest alliance, follower by Goonfleet.. bob somewhere around the top-10 range.. but our main 'enemy' (if bob fucks off again) is Xelas.. but we outnumber them now bigtime
23:33:31  <RichK67> what release?
23:33:47  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: I'm slowly training to HAC atm, but i'm doing 50-50 now
23:34:06  <[D]Shaman> it's all to damn expensive anyways :p
23:34:07  <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, buy you only skills you need in fight - and you would have a much more from game
23:34:35  <[D]Shaman> I've been in battles, had my share of newbiepirates etc
23:34:43  <[D]Shaman> only not real fleet-battles yet
23:34:59  * Sacro fancies an OpenTTD battle royale
23:35:00  <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, with my tech2 projektile 1400 i made about 1400 hit from 80km distance :o)
23:35:07  <[D]Shaman> which i was hoping to find in FA space... but it's useless for me if there's so much bob around :/
23:35:22  <CrazyGoogle> this day it maybe not same, devs changed a lot in game i think
23:35:24  <Sacro> MiniIN TGP 2048x2048, countries against each other
23:35:43  <[D]Shaman> they might be cunts, but most bob pilots are experienced pvpers so I'd stand 0 chance to them
23:35:50  <CrazyGoogle> EMP + tech2 1400 projektiles was best you could get some days
23:36:05  <[D]Shaman> I did have fun with some newbie pirate a few weeks ago, i was in my rupture, he in a cyclone
23:36:10  <[D]Shaman> and he didn't go through my armor tank
23:36:19  <CrazyGoogle> :o)
23:36:20  <CrazyGoogle> hehe
23:36:35  <[D]Shaman> so i got him down to half structure since he was dumb enough not to align for warp
23:36:41  <RichK67> sacro: which release?? branch? current branch?
23:36:53  <[D]Shaman> (I was scrambled so couldn't do anythign anyways)
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23:37:35  <Sacro> RichK67: who knos
23:37:45  <Sacro> but id like a daylength patch adding so it last aaaaaaaaages
23:38:04  <CrazyGoogle> last my fight befor i leaved game i was in frigate
23:38:15  <CrazyGoogle> dont remember in which one
23:38:45  <CrazyGoogle> and i taked fight with some enemy aliance member in frigate lvl2
23:38:50  <[D]Shaman> nice
23:39:05  <[D]Shaman> last week we made a dozen of trial accounts and pod-jumped to bob space
23:39:05  <CrazyGoogle> oh, i forgot all alredy
23:39:13  <[D]Shaman> going on their HAC's with rookie ships
23:39:15  <CrazyGoogle> and i win this batle
23:39:31  <[D]Shaman> we ended up seeing one of their frigs getting blown up by a HAC of theirs.. it was loaded with T2 things, was fun :p
23:39:32  <CrazyGoogle> but i was on 10% structure =)
23:39:38  <[D]Shaman> O_O
23:39:38  <[D]Shaman> auch
23:40:12  <CrazyGoogle> ah
23:40:17  <CrazyGoogle> i was in rifter
23:40:34  <Eddi|zuHause2> 10% structure of a spaceship? how do you get the thing air tight? :)
23:40:50  <CrazyGoogle> and he was in dreadnought
23:40:57  <CrazyGoogle> Eddi|zuHause, yep =)
23:41:05  <CrazyGoogle> better 10% and win than pod kill
23:41:26  <[D]Shaman> Rifters are THE best T1 frigs there are :P
23:41:48  <CrazyGoogle> ah, no sorry it was destroyer
23:42:00  <[D]Shaman> destroyer? pff
23:42:25  <CrazyGoogle> yep
23:42:26  <[D]Shaman> Thrasher? :o
23:42:31  <CrazyGoogle> i dont remember
23:42:33  <CrazyGoogle> but i think so
23:42:40  <CrazyGoogle> i must have screenshots somewhere
23:42:42  <[D]Shaman> minmatar destroyer == thrasher
23:42:45  <CrazyGoogle> but i dont know here
23:42:49  <CrazyGoogle> but i dont know where
23:43:03  <CrazyGoogle> it was realy amazing buttle
23:43:08  <CrazyGoogle> i was sure i lose
23:43:30  <CrazyGoogle> even if newb is flying destroyer, you lose in frigate
23:43:43  <CrazyGoogle> but he was sure he win, that gived me chance
23:43:51  <CrazyGoogle> and i was very good fitted
23:44:00  <CrazyGoogle> tech2 guns
23:44:16  <CrazyGoogle> and he was not warping
23:44:33  <CrazyGoogle> because there where people watching
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23:44:41  <CrazyGoogle> we made public fight
23:44:57  <CrazyGoogle> so you could leave fight only in pod =)
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23:45:57  <[D]Shaman> CrazyGoogle: Destroyers are -only- good against frigs
23:46:11  <[D]Shaman> though a good fitted frig has a high survivability rate
23:46:54  <CrazyGoogle> yea, but not that good
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23:47:07  <CrazyGoogle> if he made one more shoot, he would win
23:47:11  <CrazyGoogle> :o)
23:47:18  <CrazyGoogle> i got luck
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23:49:40  <CrazyGoogle>
23:50:31  <[D]Shaman> nice
23:50:34  <[D]Shaman> what ship? :o
23:50:51  <CrazyGoogle> minmatar battle
23:50:54  <[D]Shaman> btw, activation cost of projectile turrets == gone
23:50:59  <Eddi|zuHause2> what would one read out of that picture?
23:51:02  <[D]Shaman> typhoon or tempest? :o
23:51:09  <CrazyGoogle> temp
23:51:10  <[D]Shaman> Eddi|zuHause2: gun specifications :P
23:51:13  <CrazyGoogle> Eddi|zuHause, a lot
23:51:20  <CrazyGoogle> :o)
23:51:44  <CrazyGoogle> what you mean with "gone activation cost" ?
23:51:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> the chat is especially comprehensible ;)
23:51:56  <CrazyGoogle> there is no more activation cost on projektile ?
23:52:03  <CrazyGoogle> Eddi|zuHause, =)
23:52:20  <CrazyGoogle> Eddi|zuHause, you can see battle ship feet on this picture
23:52:30  <CrazyGoogle> you can also see POS managemend window
23:52:49  <[D]Shaman> eh
23:52:51  <Eddi|zuHause2> i can decipher the word "destroyer"
23:52:51  <CrazyGoogle> and some corp chat
23:53:01  <[D]Shaman> projectile turrets used to have an activation capacitor cost
23:53:03  <[D]Shaman> that == p00f
23:53:04  <[D]Shaman> no more cost
23:53:07  <CrazyGoogle> destroyer is a clas of ships
23:53:12  <Eddi|zuHause2> in the 4th line of the chat
23:53:18  <[D]Shaman> so NO MORE SHUTTING DOWN GUNS.. when you're nos'ed
23:53:39  <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, capacitor usage by projectile was never  a problem
23:54:01  <[D]Shaman> if you were getting drained by more than 1 large nos your guns could deactivate by lack of cap
23:54:06  <[D]Shaman> now that's impossible ;)
23:54:34  <[D]Shaman> that gives us a HUGE advantage vs amarr
23:55:21  <CrazyGoogle> Eddi|zuHause, you can also see that 55km is optimal range for this guns, so +40km accuratcy
23:55:54  <CrazyGoogle> so i can shout you in the eye with my bullet on 80km distance in good position with nearly x10 damage
23:56:37  <CrazyGoogle> there where days. you could kill frigate with 3 shuts on 80km from this mashine
23:56:51  <[D]Shaman> 3?!?
23:56:54  <[D]Shaman> that's a lot man :p
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23:57:03  <CrazyGoogle> but than devs changed game, and large projektile was not that good on shooting frigates down
23:57:08  <[D]Shaman> i got 2-shot by a BS in a destroyer from 160km :/
23:57:18  <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, i mean that 2 of tham dont meet the target =)
23:57:45  <CrazyGoogle> [D]Shaman, yes, 150km with special devices was  real to take frigate down also
23:58:20  <CrazyGoogle> i wasnt able to do that only with my skills, but my corp mates
23:58:47  <CrazyGoogle> i was not that good fighter, because 1 year of playing i speend everything in developing industrie skills
23:59:06  <CrazyGoogle> so as i changed it, another people was  a lot better than i

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