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00:02:03 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-142-128.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! 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Caused assert exceedingly rarely. 01:02:53 <CIA-3> Random() in landscape.c needed shifting to ensure positive. 01:02:53 <CIA-3> Also fixed error on line 490. Denominator should have read (max_perlin_value - water_level). 01:02:53 <CIA-3> Tested for 10,000 64x64 maps, 500 256x256 maps. 01:03:22 <Sacro> RichK67: if anyone asks you, it took you and a few others hooooooooooours to test that many :P 01:03:38 <RichK67> lol 01:07:45 <CIA-3> richk * r5246 /branch/MiniIN/landscape.c: [MiniIN]: [TGP]: Rule 1: compile before commit ;) Left bracket in from testing. Grrr. 01:10:58 <Sacro> hehe 01:13:53 <RichK67> and the question is; will Tron be able to resist applying TGP to trunk tomorrow ;) 01:14:43 <glx> yes because it will be applied only if you think it can be 01:15:29 <RichK67> ah - you're right there... i think i can now say; it is... all the rest of the developments on it are almost cosmetic 01:16:29 <RichK67> i really needed the new histogram and scaling to solve the small map problem 01:21:48 <RichK67> oh well - more debugging to do... small maps still arent happy :( ok in scengen, but it must be town + ind placement causing probs 01:45:25 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:00:31 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 02:30:32 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 02:55:02 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@87.102.18.212] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:56:23 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit ["Leaving."] 03:33:43 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@217.123.28.144] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:39:32 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:09:08 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181101222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:22:59 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181101222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 04:28:43 *** egladil [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has joined #openttd 04:31:06 *** Osai^2 [n=Osai@p54B374E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:40:28 *** egladil_ibook [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:44:12 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Shields up, set a course for the REM-4 sector, Warp 8."] 04:48:41 *** Osai^2 [n=Osai@p54B374E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:52:46 *** _Red is now known as Red 05:14:42 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:14:44 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 05:21:23 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:21:23 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 05:31:40 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:51:37 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@217.123.28.144] has joined #openttd 05:55:43 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:55:45 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 06:11:22 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 06:11:22 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:11:43 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 06:26:47 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:41:56 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-4474.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 06:42:24 <peter1138> hmm 06:47:51 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has joined #openttd 06:48:21 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 06:51:41 *** CIA-3 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:54:01 *** CIA-3 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 07:01:29 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 07:03:54 *** Morlark [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:24:55 *** Zerot_ [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:25:04 *** DarkSSH [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 07:25:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 07:25:32 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:25:45 <DarkSSH> ole 07:26:01 <DarkSSH> MiHaMiX: ok now I am definitely here :) 07:26:05 *** DarkSSH is now known as Darkvater 07:26:10 <peter1138> morning darkvater 07:26:23 <Darkvater> morni' 07:26:23 <peter1138> i have a pocketpc to play with 07:26:28 <Darkvater> :O 07:26:34 <peter1138> that esoft version sucks 07:26:40 <Darkvater> it does? 07:26:43 <Darkvater> did you buy one? 07:26:46 <peter1138> autorail is broken :( 07:27:00 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*@ksenos.fi] by Darkvater 07:27:01 <peter1138> no, it's works unfortunately 07:27:19 <Darkvater> syntax error ;p 07:27:44 <peter1138> belongs to my work 07:28:09 <Darkvater> I couldn't get any further than compiling it. Somehow stock ppc just crashed on some window-startup in the emulator 07:32:12 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: me too 07:32:33 <Darkvater> ok very quickly then, I needa chauffeur my sister :) 07:32:52 <MiHaMiX> :) 07:32:55 <MiHaMiX> msg 07:34:25 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387C080.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:35:36 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:36:10 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 07:42:45 <Trenskow> sooo annoying when you change a string in the language files, it has to recompile everything 07:42:46 <peter1138> heh 07:43:01 <peter1138> the window buttons are about the same size as the stylus point 07:45:22 <Trenskow> is the an development mailing list ? 07:46:28 <[Shaman]> staying on irc and filtering out all messages from CIA-3 will give you the same effect :P 07:46:34 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 07:46:51 <Trenskow> :) 07:47:14 <[Shaman]> plus you can shout at the devs when they mess up :P 07:49:08 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 07:49:33 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=692 07:49:39 <peter1138> hurrgrr 07:50:57 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 07:51:01 <peter1138> hmm, blurry non-flash photography :( 07:51:16 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a81-197-103-246.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:55:43 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:59:16 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:05:35 *** egladil_ [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has joined #openttd 08:05:50 *** egladil_ [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:06:07 <[Shaman]> peter1138: Nice :o 08:06:09 *** iridium`nh [n=iridium@host-84-9-208-77.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:06:43 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-182-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 08:09:49 <[Shaman]> apparently it's possible to use the .net framework in C/C++ ... though i'm not sure if that'd compile at all on linux :p 08:10:02 <Sacro> morning all 08:10:08 <Sacro> [Shaman]: mono 08:10:42 <[Shaman]> yeh i know 08:10:55 <peter1138> C++, not C 08:10:56 <[Shaman]> but will mono compile C AND .net together properly? ;) 08:11:02 <[Shaman]> C++* 08:11:12 <peter1138> it's called C++ .NET though 08:11:30 <[Shaman]> yeh, microsoft gayness 08:11:37 <[Shaman]> it's just C++ including the .net libraries :p 08:12:18 <Sacro> what about C#/ 08:12:43 <[Shaman]> C# is different 08:12:48 <peter1138> what about it? 08:13:02 <[Shaman]> c++.net is c++ with access to .net, C# won't function without .net in it 08:13:51 <Sacro> ah 08:16:13 <[Shaman]> If it compiles properly I might be able to make a simple irc interface for servers xD 08:18:21 <Sacro> lol 08:20:03 <[Shaman]> would be funny though 08:20:07 <[Shaman]> a yearly summary or summat :p 08:20:20 <[Shaman]> or perhaps news display :o 08:20:29 <[Shaman]> but that could turn real gay real soon :p 08:24:04 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 08:26:09 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:26:15 <Sacro> hmm 08:28:00 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 08:33:31 *** Triffid_Hunter [n=Splat@funkmunch.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:34:02 *** egladil is now known as egladil_ibook 08:34:12 *** egladil_ibook is now known as egladil 08:37:32 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:38:17 <peter1138> morning RichK67_wrk 08:38:19 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:38:22 <peter1138> did some tidyups at 4am... 08:38:27 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/tgp.diff 08:39:15 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #openttd 08:41:31 <Sacro> lol 08:41:43 <Sacro> so i wasnt the only one up at 4am 08:42:36 <RichK67_wrk> lol - i changed my coding style to have the spaces inside brackets to match with other OTTD code, and then mine gets changed back!! cant win! ;) 08:43:07 <peter1138> spaces inside braces is definitely wrong 08:43:16 <RichK67_wrk> peter - commit away if you want, but please use [MiniIN]: [TGP]: meaningful comment 08:43:24 <peter1138> ok 08:43:29 <peter1138> i'm not immune to rules ;) 08:43:51 <RichK67_wrk> peter - once again, that is *not* mentioned in the OTTD coding style... so how am i meant to know?? 08:44:15 <peter1138> well, i just told you :) 08:45:18 <RichK67_wrk> btw there is a bug in placing unmovable lighthouses - it can get in an infinite loop if there is no land near enough the map edge for it to find in its "walk" 08:46:04 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca208.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:46:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:47:51 <RichK67_wrk> unmovable_cmd.c: 350 ish ... if you add a if (loop_count++ > 1000) break; (plus declare var of course) then it works.... cant update from here 08:47:54 <[Shaman]> lo RichK67_wrk. 08:48:26 <RichK67_wrk> lo shaman 08:52:46 <peter1138> hmm 09:02:48 <Sacro> telnet ascii-wm.net 2006 <-- world cup in ascii :D 09:03:04 <Bjarni> like we care? 09:03:49 <Sacro> Bjarni: im easily amused 09:04:08 <Bjarni> we know 09:04:40 <Bjarni> somehow you remind me of Lenny from "Of mouse and men" 09:04:47 <Bjarni> except for the strength thing 09:05:10 <Sacro> not read it 09:05:39 <Bjarni> no surprise there 09:06:15 <Bjarni> but they made a movie out of it 09:06:20 <Bjarni> you might have seen that one 09:06:59 <Trenskow> just recieved this from my brother : 09:07:00 <Trenskow> Vital information just received from the "Washington Report" : In an attempt to stop the spread of bird flu, President George W. Bush has just bombed the Canary Islands. Turkey is next.... 09:07:01 <Sacro> nope 09:08:58 <Bjarni> speaking about Turkey. Did you see that today Turkey blamed EU to allowing Greece to join. Having the Greece part of Cyprus in EU is poison for Turkey 09:09:26 <Bjarni> well, if they don't want to join, then why try to convince them otherwise? 09:09:41 <Bjarni> I mean regarding the Turks 09:11:39 *** iridium`nh [n=iridium@host-84-9-208-77.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:12:41 *** Triffid_Hunter [n=Splat@funkmunch.net] has joined #openttd 09:14:02 <RichK67_wrk> peter: please commit your diff, i may forget it otherwise 09:23:10 <peter1138> oh, yeah 09:23:17 <peter1138> got carried away with... work 09:23:53 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has quit ["Disconnecting from stoned server."] 09:24:21 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has joined #openttd 09:24:44 * peter1138 kicks CIA-3 09:26:06 <Sacro> he aint listening 09:26:15 <peter1138> mean thing 09:28:25 <RichK67_wrk> thanks peter 09:32:01 <Bjarni> !slap CIA-3 09:32:03 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Bjarni burries CIA-3 deeply under a printed book of windows error messages. 09:32:10 <Bjarni> ouch 09:32:19 <Bjarni> that gotta hurt 09:33:21 <[Shaman]> murderer. 09:33:34 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/ppc1.jpg -> ppc4.jpg 09:33:45 <peter1138> clearly that version needs improving 09:33:46 <[Shaman]> You don't have permission to access /o/ppc1.jpg on this server. 09:33:50 <peter1138> like. uh 09:33:59 <peter1138> do now 09:34:06 <[Shaman]> works 09:34:11 <peter1138> but you saw them already 09:34:25 <peter1138> hmm 09:34:57 <peter1138> Bjarni: you know about cross compiling? ;) 09:35:08 * Sacro spys lego 09:36:46 <peter1138> heh yes 09:38:53 <Sacro> peter1138: what are you cross compiling to/from? 09:39:27 <peter1138> well, let me see... 09:42:39 *** wolf^_ [i=wolf@rev2.kamp.pl] has joined #openttd 09:42:40 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:43:39 *** wolf^_ is now known as wolf^ 09:44:08 *** Skiddles^ [n=Skiddles@cm209.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:44:13 <Skiddles^> http://qdb.us/60446 09:44:22 * Skiddles^ dances with Celestar and Prof_Frink 09:44:27 * Skiddles^ hides 09:45:12 <Bjarni> <peter1138> Bjarni: you know about cross compiling? ;) <-- well, I know more than most people on the forum 09:45:18 <Bjarni> not that it tells much :P 09:46:02 <Bjarni> but I know a great deal about crosscompiling between PPC and x86 OSX and I got a pretty good idea about what to do when compiling across different OSes, even though it's a bit more complicated 09:46:04 <Bjarni> why? 09:46:53 <Bjarni> brb phone 09:49:00 <Sacro> i have a linux/win32 crosscompiler setup 09:50:20 <peter1138> yes phone... 09:50:38 <peter1138> pocketpc 09:50:54 <peter1138> an official pocketpc port would be nice 09:51:05 <Sacro> yeah 09:51:18 <Sacro> im waiting for a S60 port and NDS 09:52:14 *** valhalla1zzw [n=valhalla@dsl68-30.fastxdsl.nl] has joined #openttd 09:52:24 <valhalla1zzw> ... 09:52:34 <Sacro> ...? 09:52:52 <valhalla1zzw> my router is dying :/ 09:53:04 <Sacro> aww 09:57:44 *** valhallazzzw [n=valhalla@dsl68-30.fastxdsl.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:57:44 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:57:52 <Trenskow> is there an equiliant to sprintf ? 09:58:19 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 09:58:59 <Sacro> Trenskow: meaning? 09:59:17 <Trenskow> is there a way of formatting the strings 09:59:31 <peter1138> setdparam 09:59:32 <Trenskow> if i have {BLACK}{NUM} years to {BLACK}10 years 09:59:49 <Trenskow> peter1138, and then put it in a char* ? 09:59:58 <peter1138> why? 10:00:28 <Trenskow> wanna generate the years ddl instead of fixed values 10:00:51 <peter1138> ah 10:00:56 <peter1138> don't bother ;p 10:01:06 <Trenskow> hehe ok 10:01:29 <Trenskow> i wanne do a ping time ddl lataer on, for which is would also be great 10:01:36 <Trenskow> but you say it's imposible? 10:01:49 <Trenskow> theres no way of formatting a string ? 10:01:51 <peter1138> no 10:02:00 <Bjarni> back 10:02:03 <peter1138> it's just a lot of work, especially with a dropdown list 10:02:12 <Trenskow> hmm ok 10:02:15 <Trenskow> ill take your word :D 10:02:20 <Bjarni> oh a pocketPC crosscompile 10:02:24 <Bjarni> that should be doable 10:02:38 <peter1138> Trenskow: my old newstations code used char*s in a dropdown list 10:02:40 <peter1138> it's not pretty 10:02:42 <Bjarni> making a binary might be the easy part though 10:02:51 <Bjarni> I mean, they tend to have a different interface 10:02:55 <Bjarni> and small screens 10:02:57 * Sacro considers the NDS port again 10:03:00 <Trenskow> peter1138, hehe ok 10:03:01 <Trenskow> thx 10:03:04 <peter1138> Bjarni: this particular one is 640x480 :) 10:03:12 <peter1138> (in 2.5") 10:03:19 <Sacro> peter1138: impressive 10:03:35 <Bjarni> what about mouse+keyboard? 10:03:40 <ledow> does it come with a magnifying glasss as standard? 10:03:43 <peter1138> 's got a keyboard and pen 10:04:06 <Bjarni> touchscreen like pen? 10:04:10 <peter1138> yes 10:04:20 <peter1138> (and cursor keys for scrolling) 10:04:36 <Bjarni> so you will need my patch to remove the mouse pointer as it do not fit touchscreens 10:04:48 <Bjarni> I coded that one for Nokia S770 and never committed it 10:04:59 <Bjarni> so, what is the issue? 10:05:01 <peter1138> yes 10:05:13 <peter1138> the esoft interactive version leaves the pointer on o_O 10:05:21 <peter1138> Bjarni: libs at the moment 10:05:38 <Bjarni> start by getting SDL to work 10:05:45 <Bjarni> then the rest should be doable after that 10:06:20 <Bjarni> it's more fun when it actually compiles into something that can do something when you work on it. Then you feel that you are near your goal 10:06:31 <peter1138> SDL is a VS project for pocketpc, but not makefile/configure :( 10:06:55 <peter1138> guess it's mostly defines that change though 10:07:05 <Bjarni> my first x86 OSX port didn't handle libpng. I solved that lib issue after I got something that could execute 10:07:27 <peter1138> i'm not worried about that 10:07:30 <Bjarni> peter1138: can your device/crosscompiler handle makefiles? 10:07:40 <peter1138> Bjarni: my crosscompiler is gcc... 10:07:45 <peter1138> so yes 10:07:48 <Bjarni> ahh, then it's easy 10:07:52 <peter1138> although our configure is totally fucked 10:08:01 <Bjarni> compile SDL in the crosscompiler from source 10:08:16 <peter1138> yes, but its configure doesn't understand the target 10:08:19 <peter1138> so i need to modify that 10:08:31 <Bjarni> our configure is well, something that is made for the nightly build compiling 10:09:03 <peter1138> well, CXX_TARGET doesn't work 10:09:06 <Bjarni> you are the first to crosscompile for this target, so you should run make upgradeconf and then edit Makefile.config until you get something, that works 10:09:20 <peter1138> hmm, guess that was added later though 10:09:22 <Bjarni> you need g++, not gcc 10:09:28 <Bjarni> for C++ files 10:09:33 <peter1138> no shit sherlock 10:09:55 <Bjarni> don't make the same mistake as I did :P 10:10:09 <peter1138> the makefile handles that 10:10:16 <peter1138> but the configure doesn't set CXX_TARGET 10:10:25 <peter1138> so it stays as g++ 10:10:29 <peter1138> instead of /usr/bin/foo-g++ 10:10:49 <Bjarni> edit Makefile.config to change that 10:11:02 <Bjarni> you have to edit it manually when setting up a crosscompiler 10:11:40 <peter1138> shouldn't have to. that's the point of configure 10:12:18 <Bjarni> our configure is not meant to handle crosscompilers. It's a script to fit our compilerfarm, not crosscompiling in general 10:12:35 <peter1138> Bjarni: when i tell you it's broken, i mean it 10:12:50 <Bjarni> don't use it 10:13:04 <peter1138> why, when i can fix it? 10:13:26 <Bjarni> it's not a "normal" configure script as the "normal" configure scripts are part of the autotools, and they fuck up OpenTTD 10:14:11 <Bjarni> you should be able to make your crosscompiler by editing Makefile.config only 10:14:37 <Bjarni> and then you got that to work, then you can wonder about fixing configure to apply to what you need (without breaking the nightly builds) 10:24:00 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:27:04 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:29:02 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 10:29:26 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:30:01 *** jmp_ghli [i=rezso@catv-506284ed.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:31:40 *** jmp_ghli [i=rezso@catv-506284ed.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 10:34:43 <peter1138> CC_TARGET:=/usr/bin/arm-wince-pe-gcc 10:34:43 <peter1138> CC_HOST:=cc 10:34:43 <peter1138> CXX_TARGET:=/usr/bin/arm-wince-pe-g++ 10:34:43 <peter1138> CXX_HOST:=g++ 10:34:45 <peter1138> that's more like it 10:34:53 <peter1138> (and done with configure too) 10:35:00 <peter1138> (and no, i'm not committing anything) 10:36:41 <Bjarni> so do you get a working binary from that? 10:36:54 <Bjarni> you can always start with a dedicated server in case you lack SDL 10:38:15 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:38:53 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 10:40:28 <peter1138> i need to write the screenshot palette routine, too 10:40:47 <peter1138> (but that's easy) 10:44:18 <peter1138> misc_gui.c:1861: error: unrecognizable insn: 10:44:18 <peter1138> (insn:HI 251 249 1061 11 variables.h:374 (set (mem/s:SI (plus:SI (mult:SI (subreg:SI (reg:DI 133 [ i ]) 0) 10:44:22 <peter1138> is a nice error ;p 10:45:07 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:46:17 <Sacro> hmm, i think metacity has died 10:46:28 <peter1138> kill! 10:47:08 <Sacro> hehe 10:47:09 <Sacro> brb 10:47:13 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-182-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:48:38 <Bjarni> peter1138: now you killed Sacro 10:48:50 <Bjarni> that is outrageous!!! 10:48:54 <Bjarni> I was gonna kill him 10:50:16 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-182-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:50:39 <peter1138> sorry 10:51:04 * peter1138 King Crimsons 10:51:45 <peter1138> Bjarni: http://fuzzle.org/o/palette.diff <-- look right? 10:52:11 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 10:52:11 <Sacro> King Crimsons? 10:52:30 <peter1138> yeah 10:55:02 <Sacro> hmm 11:02:21 <Xaroth> <3 laptops 11:02:27 <Xaroth> << sitting in the sun xD 11:03:15 <Bjarni> peter1138: well, a quick glance didn't show any fatal errors 11:03:48 <Bjarni> <Xaroth> << sitting in the sun xD <-- you know, that's dangerous, right? 11:04:04 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["back to meetings, no internet :("] 11:04:15 <Bjarni> the ozon layer is pretty thin these days. You might want to wait a few days so it can recover 11:04:32 <Bjarni> it's some wind something, that pushed it away from us 11:04:35 <Bjarni> it will return 11:05:15 <Bjarni> you will be hit by a whole lot more ultra violet beams than you normally would, which in time can turn into skin cancer 11:06:08 *** Osai^2 [n=Osai@p54B374E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:11:26 <Xaroth> lol 11:15:41 <peter1138> that's ok, he's unimportant to the cause ;) 11:16:20 <peter1138> Bjarni: btw, too many 256s there for my liking, but, what can you do, eh? 11:16:47 <Xaroth> oi! 11:17:00 <Xaroth> I allready submitted 1 patch :( 11:18:49 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82567.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:21:53 <peter1138> heh 11:29:20 <Skiddles^> I've always wondered, what is that red dot when joining a company in a multiplayer game? 11:30:00 <Sacro> Skiddles^: i think last years profit > 0 11:30:02 <Sacro> < even 11:30:15 <Skiddles^> Hah, no wonder my company alwyas has it. 11:30:23 <Skiddles^> alwyas :o 11:30:24 <Sacro> lol 11:30:30 <Sacro> Lordi :D 11:30:41 <Skiddles^> Lordi? :o 11:33:04 <Sacro> yup 11:33:11 <Sacro> Eurovision winners 2006 11:35:11 <Bjarni> <peter1138> Bjarni: btw, too many 256s there for my liking, but, what can you do, eh? <-- #define magic_number 256 11:35:12 <Bjarni> :P 11:35:23 <Bjarni> <Xaroth> I allready submitted 1 patch :( <-- err, you did? 11:35:25 * Brianetta has a new sun hat 11:35:34 * Bjarni is indoor 11:35:37 <Brianetta> My wide-brimmed black fedora was left on a train ): 11:35:52 <Brianetta> so now I have a beige M&S thing 11:35:57 <Brianetta> made in Sri Lanka 11:36:04 <Brianetta> Very colonial (: 11:36:32 <Bjarni> made by forced labour? 11:37:11 <Brianetta> Undoubtedly. 11:38:07 <Bjarni> I once lost a tie on a train 11:38:25 <Bjarni> I found it one or two weeks later 11:38:47 <Bjarni> needless to say, it was a train WITHOUT passengers ;) 11:39:14 <Bjarni> but I wonder where it went, because I'm sure I didn't leave it where I found it 11:40:37 <Bjarni> well, you don't want to know what people forget in trains 11:41:08 <Sacro> Organization of Independent Software Vendors -- surely thats not allowed 11:41:12 <Bjarni> how about a false leg? You know, one of those they use today when somebody lose a leg 11:41:32 <Bjarni> how can somebody forget something like that??? 11:42:08 <Bjarni> or a pair of glasses, that nobody goes to the lost&found to look for o_O 11:42:25 <Bjarni> how can you forget your glasses and not try to reclaim them??? 11:42:48 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Organization of Independent Software Vendors -- surely thats not allowed <-- why not? 11:42:49 <hylje> maybe some people have exceptional ability to forget stuff 11:44:24 <Bjarni> at one time, there was somebody, who dropped a wallet in the central station in Copenhagen and somebody found it and gave it to the local police station without looking in it 11:44:37 <Bjarni> it turned out to contain something like £1500 11:45:19 <Bjarni> that's a valuable found, so the laws state that the finder got a claim of 10% of the value 11:45:39 <Bjarni> now that's a good payment for walking 150 meters to hand something in ;) 11:45:47 <hylje> :> 11:46:23 <Sacro> Bjarni: because if your in an organisation, your not independant 11:46:35 <Bjarni> hmm 11:46:37 <Bjarni> good point 11:48:16 <Bjarni> but then again, an organisation of independent people could indicate something other than you think, like a joined effort to speak to the government regarding laws, that affects all of them 11:48:27 <Sacro> maybe 11:48:30 <Bjarni> while they are still independent on all over areas 11:49:43 <Bjarni> s/over/other 11:49:50 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:51:06 <Sacro> maybe so 11:53:09 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 11:57:13 <Bjarni> another possibility is that they can join together to try to get a group discount on something like insurance, like insurance against personal injury if they got similar worktasks 11:57:35 <Bjarni> things like that really do exist out there 11:57:45 <Bjarni> usually we don't hear about them, but they are there 11:58:15 <Sacro> like a union 11:58:38 <Bjarni> yeah, something like that 11:58:56 <Bjarni> but not as strong as a real union 12:02:25 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 12:02:51 *** ln- [i=lauri@ksenos.fi] has joined #openttd 12:03:52 *** michi_cc [i=55325258@pdpc/supporter/student/michi-cc] has quit [] 12:04:01 *** michi_cc [i=60b8c390@pdpc/supporter/student/michi-cc] has joined #openttd 12:05:18 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:11:03 <RichK67_wrk> bjarni: ping 12:11:37 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:14:20 <peter1138> ge el ex 12:14:48 <RichK67_wrk> peter, glx: got a question 12:14:48 <glx> peter1138: is it to not hilight me? 12:15:58 <RichK67_wrk> i was running tests last nite on small maps; and even the current (naff) old-OTTD map dies about 1 map in 25 on "high" water, as it cant place a town... any thoughts??? (TGP is a little better, but its only about 1:30) 12:16:52 <glx> RichK67_wrk: if it fails try to auto-restart it with less water 12:17:07 <RichK67_wrk> (i also ran a test of 10,000 64x64 maps in the scengen - so no towns, etc.. - but it only took 212secs for 10,000 maps :) ) 12:17:28 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has quit ["Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't understand it"] 12:18:11 <glx> hmm is there some space to place a town when it fails? 12:18:13 <RichK67_wrk> glx: that is changing the user's settings; as i say, its in old-OTTD as well 12:18:39 <RichK67_wrk> glx: dont know - it crashes to desktop, so i cant check 12:19:24 <glx> hmm disable the assert to see what has been done (I think it's possible) 12:22:32 <Bjarni> RichK67_wrk: it's a known issue that once very small maps, the computer is sometimes not able to find a location for any towns at all. Not good, but why would you want to have 64x64 water tiles anyway? 12:23:07 <peter1138> "fun" :) 12:23:10 <RichK67_wrk> personally, i think 128 should be smallest dimension 12:23:12 <peter1138> fcov 12:23:22 <peter1138> nah, 64* is nice 12:23:25 <RichK67_wrk> then this problem goes away for TGP and all 12:23:27 <peter1138> maybe 64x64 should be disallowed 12:23:33 <peter1138> but 64 * 128... 12:23:38 <peter1138> btw 12:23:40 <peter1138> your tgp gui 12:23:53 <peter1138> all the duplicated stuff... i reckon should be removed from the front screen 12:24:04 <peter1138> (but the mapx/y thing for scenarios... hmm.) 12:24:19 <peter1138> mapx/y should also be removed from patch settings 12:24:39 <peter1138> perhaps even in the code 12:25:13 <peter1138> moved to GameOptions, i reckon 12:25:57 <Bjarni> 64x64 savegames are pretty small, so they could do nice for main menu backgrounds ;) 12:26:06 <Bjarni> that would be a good thing if we got more than one 12:26:10 <peter1138> Bjarni: not for 1600x1200 :) 12:26:32 <peter1138> f'kin 'ell 12:26:40 <peter1138> windows keeps do-doing at me 12:26:49 <peter1138> (the usb connected/disconnected sounds) 12:26:53 <Sacro> hehe 12:28:46 <peter1138> self-powered hub, too 12:28:56 <peter1138> one of its lights is off o_O 12:29:01 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit ["In the end, all that matters is your relation with God..."] 12:30:27 *** Osai^2 [n=Osai@p54B374E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 12:30:41 <Sacro> lol 12:33:18 <RichK67_wrk> sorry - was in another window 12:35:04 <RichK67_wrk> peter: i wouldnt want to be the one who changed the main front screen of OTTD; that can be done by some other (mug) developer ;) 12:38:39 <peter1138> hmm, ok ;p 12:39:09 <RichK67_wrk> it would be a major change to the look & feel 12:39:24 <peter1138> yes 12:39:40 <peter1138> but really, climate and size only apply to new games and the scenario editor 12:39:53 <RichK67_wrk> btw - do you think the new game screen needs any more options?? i was thinking of start date 12:40:12 <peter1138> hmm that might be nice 12:40:15 <RichK67_wrk> yeah, but they are pretty :) 12:40:16 <Sacro> put that on TGP, and make it generate larger towns :D 12:41:03 <RichK67_wrk> im thinking of an "Advanced" button on the NewGame screen where you can set a host of overrides; but that may be for a future version of TGP 12:42:10 <RichK67_wrk> the ScenGen version needs a load of extras anyway - eg. "Do as NewGame: towns, inds, trees, unmovables" 12:42:53 <RichK67_wrk> its annoying that you cant generate a map in the ScenGen that has the same distribution of stuff that is in a NewGame 12:42:58 *** Skiddles^ [n=Skiddles@cm209.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has quit ["Wheez!"] 12:45:45 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["And he disappears, like a fox, in the night."] 12:58:28 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:00:28 <RichK67_wrk> bbl 13:02:54 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 13:03:10 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:03:53 <Brianetta> Bridge-over-everything is still in the trunk, is it not? 13:04:28 <peter1138> nope 13:06:50 <peter1138> but it will be back 13:07:03 *** ShadowJK [i=jk@208.53.150.226] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:07:30 <GoneWacko[LAN]> GoneWacko[LAN]? 13:07:39 <GoneWacko[LAN]> I'm not at a LAN, you silly mIRC 13:07:39 *** GoneWacko[LAN] is now known as GoneWacko 13:07:52 <peter1138> "at" a LAN? 13:08:11 <Brianetta> It's just that I can't find its removal in the revision log 13:08:22 <peter1138> tron did it 13:08:34 <peter1138> so it's probably "reverted r1234" or something 13:08:37 <GoneWacko> peter1138: fine, at a LAN party. 13:09:05 <Brianetta> Aha 13:09:09 <Brianetta> "Undo r5070" 13:09:18 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:09:19 <Brianetta> tron needs to learn to become useful 13:09:25 <peter1138> r5155 | tron | 2006-06-07 20:35:21 +0100 (Wed, 07 Jun 2006) | 2 lines 13:09:25 <peter1138> - Remove the bridge branch merge (revision r5070) 13:10:00 <Brianetta> 06/07/06 19:35:21 @5155 [5155] tron Undo r5070 13:10:10 <peter1138> i guess someone changed it :) 13:12:36 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 13:17:01 <Darkvater> well, it WAS unreadable 13:17:28 <peter1138> tron's favourite ^^ 13:17:43 <Darkvater> :O 13:18:08 <peter1138> does my pcx screenshot patch look ok? heh 13:18:09 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 13:19:37 <Darkvater> where? 13:19:41 <Brianetta> <xml><row><pixel><red>FF</red><green>B0</green><blue>34</blue><alpha>0</alpha></pixel><pixel>... 13:19:59 <Brianetta> I'm considering the elast space-efficient but potentially most portable image format ever. 13:20:11 <Brianetta> s/elast/least/ 13:20:20 *** Qball [n=qball@ipd50a4125.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:21:32 <peter1138> that's tiff ;p 13:22:50 <Darkvater> bitmap? 13:25:58 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/palette.diff 13:26:23 <peter1138> (unless there's a define, or lengthof i can use instead of 256) 13:26:38 <Darkvater> hmm 13:26:49 <Darkvater> doesn't fwrite return the number of bytes written? 13:26:50 <Prof_Frink> Brianetta: I was thinking of something like that for documents... 13:27:19 <peter1138> hmm 13:27:37 <peter1138> Darkvater: no, number of blocks 13:27:37 <Sacro> isnt that what ODF uses? 13:27:41 <Prof_Frink> <xml><paragraph><sentence><word><letter>H</letter><letter>e</letter><letter>l</letter> 13:27:46 <Darkvater> peter1138: well anyways, not a boolean value :) 13:27:48 <peter1138> there a block is 768 bytes 13:27:51 <Brianetta> Prof_Frink: <character>(</character><character>:</character> 13:28:08 <peter1138> Darkvater: i know, i'm not treating it as a bool :P 13:28:33 <Darkvater> omg I'm blind 13:28:35 <Darkvater> ... 13:28:40 <Darkvater> 1, f) == 1 13:28:43 <Darkvater> tralalal 13:28:44 <Darkvater> a 13:29:25 * Darkvater hates MS yet again 13:29:35 <Darkvater> can't even send normal msdn pages to non-ie browsers 13:29:44 <Darkvater> and *surprise* it works if I identify as IE 13:29:46 <Brianetta> You should try to hate it constantly. It's computationally cheaper. 13:29:47 <Darkvater> fucking assholes 13:29:48 * Sacro hugs IE tab 13:30:23 <Brianetta> IE tab would do me a load of good 13:30:28 <Brianetta> being on Linux as I am 13:30:48 * Sacro hides, /opt/cxoffice/bin/iexplore 13:31:56 <Sacro> but then i need it for work, damn incompatible with firefox routers 13:32:17 <Brianetta> You r*routers* are incompatible with a *browser*? 13:32:26 <Brianetta> Gah 13:32:29 <Brianetta> Get some real ones 13:32:39 <Darkvater> anyone seen the Italy game yesterday? 13:32:49 <Brianetta> Is that a film? 13:32:51 <Darkvater> pretty awesome...nice gameplay 13:33:07 * Darkvater wonders under which rock Brianetta just crawled out of 13:33:12 <Darkvater> soccer? 13:33:19 <Brianetta> You mean football? 13:33:22 <Brianetta> Can't stand it 13:33:27 <Darkvater> soccer 13:33:32 <Brianetta> Yanks call it that 13:33:47 <Darkvater> hmm ins't football that english butchery? 13:34:08 <Brianetta> You've lost me 13:34:15 <Darkvater> the one which the americans have bastardized and called american football 13:34:23 <Brianetta> That's Rugby football 13:34:32 <Brianetta> We don't call it football, we ca;; it rugby 13:34:45 <Darkvater> brrr 13:34:50 *** glx_ [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:34:51 <Darkvater> now that's hwat I call a man-sport 13:34:53 <RichK67_wrk> i call it legalised thuggery myself :) 13:34:58 <Belugas> yeah.. american footbal... weird name, as it is used by the foot once in a very long while... 13:35:07 <Brianetta> RichK67_wrk: It's voluntary, and therefore to be encouraged. 13:35:16 <Brianetta> RichK67_wrk: Perhaps they should be armed 13:35:38 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:35:43 <RichK67_wrk> it wasnt the arms i had the problems with, it was the fists ;) 13:35:43 <Darkvater> there was a computergame like that once about 8 years ago. You could buy guns, kill the opponent, etc 13:35:48 <Brianetta> American Football is rugby with a pansy-arsed suit of armour 13:35:59 *** glx_ is now known as glx 13:36:08 <Brianetta> and stops for a rest 13:36:11 <peter1138> heh 13:36:36 <Darkvater> so football then, yesterday Italy :) 13:36:57 <Brianetta> I remember watching an episode of Friends where the annoying one went to play rugby to impress his English girlfriend 13:37:06 <Brianetta> The funny one knew what rugby was actually like 13:37:10 <Brianetta> It was amusing 13:37:14 <RichK67_wrk> yeah, i still love the story of when Rob Andrew was visiting an NFL team, and while in his suit on the half-way line was thrown the ball - so he drop-kicked it 50+yards... and the yanks were just dumbfounded 13:37:16 <RichK67_wrk> :) 13:37:28 <peter1138> friends was amusing? that's a first 13:37:50 <Brianetta> peter1138: The annoyng one got scrummaged 13:37:56 <Brianetta> It was satisfying to a degree 13:37:57 <Darkvater> annoying one? 13:38:04 <peter1138> i don't know any of the characters 13:38:08 <Brianetta> The black haired one who overpronounces everything 13:38:17 <Darkvater> the geek? 13:38:22 <peter1138> RichK67_wrk: who? 13:38:22 <Brianetta> and played the same character in Band of Brothers 13:38:33 <RichK67_wrk> i have to suffer the "delights" of rugby league here... warrington/st helens is my home area... cant stand league... union is the only true rugby (even tho i hate it) 13:38:34 <Darkvater> ah david schimmer or something 13:38:35 <peter1138> never seen that 13:40:21 <RichK67_wrk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Andrew 13:41:35 <Darkvater> does anyone have a savegame with all kinds of terraform cornercases? 13:41:54 <Brianetta> Rugby League is pathetic. When tackled, they get to give the ball to a team mate. In Union, when tackled, they get to keep limbs if they let go. Maybe. 13:42:26 <Sacro> im guessing you mean Ross :P 13:42:38 <Brianetta> Aye, that's th eone 13:42:43 <Brianetta> The annoying one 13:42:50 *** valhalla1zzw [n=valhalla@dsl68-30.fastxdsl.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:43:28 <Sacro> lol 13:43:35 <Darkvater> damn terraform :s 13:43:39 <Darkvater> bjezus 13:45:01 <peter1138> not fixed it yet? 13:45:19 <Darkvater> just started to work on it in earnest 13:45:34 <Sacro> lol 13:45:34 <Darkvater> the biggest problem is that there are so many accessor functions I donnu which one to use 13:45:41 *** valhallazzzw [n=valhalla@dsl68-30.fastxdsl.nl] has joined #openttd 13:45:42 * Sacro is having fun with php 13:45:45 <Darkvater> considering about 70% of them isn't documented 13:45:48 <Darkvater> :S 13:47:25 *** Qball [n=qball@ipd50a4125.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:49:06 <Sacro> hehe, fun 13:56:33 <Belugas> My kind of boring job 13:59:09 *** Osai^2 [n=Osai@p54B374E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:59:36 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 14:00:33 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B374E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:00:36 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B374E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:02:37 *** arex [n=q@cm-84.211.66.043.chello.no] has joined #openttd 14:06:00 * Darkvater kicks CIA-3 14:06:25 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.2/2006051612]"] 14:06:29 <glx> CIA-3 is dead too 14:06:48 <Darkvater> seems like it 14:07:07 <arex> Hello. Does this station make sense? http://lystad.org/stuff/pics/ttd_station.png 14:07:18 <hylje> yes 14:08:00 <Darkvater> copied from the wiki? ;) 14:09:57 <XeryusTC> arex: it does make sense, but you are using entry signals in stead of combo signals at some places AFAICT 14:11:16 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@AC8F1DAF.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 14:12:31 <peter1138> not enough trains for that station ;) 14:12:35 <arex> yes but isn't that most correct? 14:14:49 <Bjarni> <arex> Hello. Does this station make sense? http://lystad.org/stuff/pics/ttd_station.png <-- no because you got one entrance track and one exit track... you can never fit so many trains/day though those to justify such a large station 14:16:30 <arex> I see 14:16:42 <arex> How about the depot... There must be a better way to place it? 14:17:00 <Bjarni> but the idea of making sections of such a large station, so you got "sub stations" so more than one train can enter at once is the way to go 14:17:11 <Bjarni> either that or use PBS once we get it working 14:22:16 <Bjarni> generally I think it's a bad idea to make example/template stations/junctions/whatever since when you play, the real trick is to make it work with the hills and the space available and templates can't do that 14:22:28 <Bjarni> don't try to make THE solution since there is none 14:23:58 <RichK67_wrk> (although for a really big station, for me the COAL DROPOFF from Pile Transport is a beauty) 14:24:59 <hylje> RichK67_wrk: link 14:25:37 <peter1138> ban terraforming! 14:25:41 <Bjarni> yeah 14:25:50 <Darkvater> hehe 14:25:57 <Bjarni> or at least, make it insanely expensive 14:25:58 <peter1138> that'll fix dv's bug too ;) 14:26:51 <Bjarni> but it would cause a problem with those tiles that are too steep for building slopes on 14:26:56 <Bjarni> we should solve that as well 14:27:06 <hylje> you have infinite money later on 14:27:07 <hylje> :| 14:27:19 <Bjarni> we should fix that bug as well ;) 14:27:21 <peter1138> bah, explicit foundations++ 14:27:36 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B63EA7.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:27:40 <RichK67_wrk> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/blog/ is the site, but i cant find the old game... i use a save 14:28:00 <RichK67_wrk> heya thgergo!! do you have a link to the final Pile Transport?? 14:28:04 <Darkvater> goddammit fucking crap fuck fuck 14:28:46 <RichK67_wrk> "your machine has encountered an unknown Windows error...please buy a new one" 14:28:47 <Bjarni> Darkvater: "crap fuck" is a pretty gay thing... are you sure you mean that??? 14:28:48 <Bjarni> o_O 14:29:06 <hylje> :o 14:29:10 <hylje> i dont want to see that 14:29:32 <Bjarni> none of us wants to see Darkvater, but that's another story :P 14:29:39 <Darkvater> I really don't want to know what you are doing at home Bjarni 14:29:45 <Darkvater> that you instantly think of such sick stuff 14:29:56 <Bjarni> hey, you said it 14:30:48 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B63EA7.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:31:04 <Darkvater> ok anyone wanna EXTENSIVELY test terraforming? 14:31:04 <hylje> pass teh blame 14:31:22 <Bjarni> Darkvater: you made a patch to test? 14:31:26 <Darkvater> this includes terraforming and tunnel-building under the most bizarre circumstances 14:31:31 <Darkvater> specific to railway 14:31:37 <Darkvater> Bjarni: duh :) 14:31:58 <Darkvater> lemme diff it 14:31:58 <Born_Acorn> most bizarre circumstances? Like while juggling plates? 14:32:23 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> I really don't want to know what you are doing at home Bjarni <-- well, since you didn't ask me nice, I will not tell you that I'm sitting in a chair, reading what some people, whom I never met in real life writes in an IRC channel 14:32:49 <Bjarni> juggling plates? 14:33:12 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.openttd.org/terraform.diff 14:33:24 <Born_Acorn> Yes. Building tunnels while juggling plates is a bizarre circumstance 14:33:33 <hylje> for real 14:33:43 <hylje> we need examples 14:34:06 <peter1138> everyone calls a change to terraforming "terraform.diff" 14:34:11 <peter1138> i have tons of terraform.diffs 14:34:19 <Darkvater> FINE 14:34:21 <hylje> diff them 14:34:29 <hylje> and make a Super_TERRAFORM.diff 14:34:47 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.openttd.org/terraform_peters_favourite.diff 14:34:53 <RichK67_wrk> hylje: here is the link; its about 3rd game down.... http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Mainserver:Archive 14:34:54 <Darkvater> bet you don't have that! 14:35:00 <Born_Acorn> He has twelve. 14:35:11 <peter1138> heh 14:35:23 <Bjarni> + uint a, b, c, d, min; 14:35:26 <Bjarni> nice var names 14:35:27 <Darkvater> it is still ugly, but seems to work 14:35:32 <peter1138> i have twelve 20 year girls waiting on me 14:35:46 <Darkvater> :O send some through please ^^ 14:35:52 <Prof_Frink> -!- peter1138 is now known as pimp1138 14:35:56 <Born_Acorn> peter1138 is a pimp. 14:36:00 <Born_Acorn> aww. 14:36:19 <peter1138> Born_Acorn has twenty 12 year olds... 14:36:26 <peter1138> making tea 14:36:29 <Bjarni> peter1138: how did you manage to make them so angry, that they are downright waiting for you to leave the area with cameras? 14:36:52 <Born_Acorn> I run my corn industry with cheap labour. 14:37:04 <Born_Acorn> just don't tell anyone. 14:37:16 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: exploiting Indians again, eh? 14:37:32 <Born_Acorn> no! 14:37:40 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:37:43 <Born_Acorn> Chinese. 14:37:51 <peter1138> hard poor corn 14:38:23 <Darkvater> anyone testing? 14:39:05 <Bjarni> Darkvater: yeah... in a moment 14:39:11 <hylje> those openttdcoop people are fucking nuts 14:39:13 <Bjarni> now it's done compiling 14:39:25 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-4469.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:39:32 <RichK67_wrk> thats me... :) 14:40:15 <RichK67_wrk> bbl 14:40:48 <Bjarni> Darkvater: forgive me if I'm not reading the diff right, but what is the gameplay change of this? 14:41:07 <peter1138> it should fix terraforming bugs 14:41:17 <peter1138> i guess you don't actually play the game :P 14:41:24 <Darkvater> Bjarni: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25488 14:41:25 <Darkvater> this 14:41:25 <XeryusTC> <hylje> those openttdcoop people are fucking nuts <- no i aint :P 14:41:40 <hylje> XeryusTC: :> 14:43:09 <XeryusTC> im just a sandbox player though 14:43:16 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: you are guilty until you proof otherwise 14:43:38 <Born_Acorn> This man can now simaltaneously build tunnels in OTTD. http://www.rit.edu/~jugwww/Misc/photo07.htm 14:43:51 <XeryusTC> last time i checked it was still "innocent until proven guilty" 14:43:52 <hylje> Born_Acorn: interesting 14:43:56 *** Hallo [n=me@141.24.48.94] has joined #openttd 14:44:07 <Bjarni> Darkvater: it appears that your patch solves this problem :) 14:44:31 <Darkvater> Bjarni: I know it solves THIS problem 14:44:38 <Darkvater> the question is what it introduces :) 14:44:43 <Bjarni> hmm 14:44:50 <Bjarni> I didn't find anything else, that changed 14:44:56 <hylje> hmm 14:45:31 <peter1138> you probably didn't test enough :) 14:45:37 <peter1138> does it fix the other issues 14:46:03 <peter1138> i.e. get to the second stage of that screenshot, and try raising the middle bit 14:47:17 <hylje> when are tunnels going to get disenchanted 14:47:31 <hylje> ie. get rid of the magic 14:47:43 <hylje> (bendy tunnels! woo) 14:48:00 <Darkvater> peter1138: what ya mean? 14:48:52 <peter1138> oh. first stage. 14:49:10 <Darkvater> peter1138: what ya mean? 14:49:21 <peter1138> with the track over the single 'hole' 14:49:39 <peter1138> it is possible to 'fill' the 'hole' currently 14:49:44 <peter1138> which is wrong 14:50:00 <Darkvater> with the patch it isn't 14:50:08 <peter1138> good 14:50:14 <peter1138> that was my question :P 14:50:47 <Born_Acorn> implement autoslope from TTDPatch for maximum effect. 14:51:01 <peter1138> lies 14:51:10 <hylje> i think its good that you can "fill" holes like that 14:51:20 <hylje> but it needs to be consistant :| 14:51:34 <Born_Acorn> you can lower ground under buildings! woo! 14:51:38 <Darkvater> I think until slopes are not removed from their hack-status it shouldn't be possible 14:51:46 <Born_Acorn> (with autoslope) 14:51:51 <Darkvater> you have no idea how damn ugly foundations are :S 14:53:50 <hylje> :> 14:53:54 <peter1138> Darkvater: yes 14:59:19 <Darkvater> < bbiaf 14:59:44 <Tobin> f? 14:59:53 <Tobin> fortnight? 15:00:05 <Born_Acorn> big brother is a fool 15:02:28 *** ledow [n=ledow@jaimejwalker.plus.com] has left #openttd [] 15:11:37 <Darkvater> be back in a few 15:11:42 <Darkvater> jezus people 15:12:02 <Darkvater> ok, l'testers: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/199 < if this is out of the way and 100% correct the way is free for 0.4.8 15:12:42 <Darkvater> but alas, gotta run, back around mid' 15:13:45 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 15:18:21 <arex> Suggestion: Borrow max and repay max buttons :) 15:18:52 <glx> arex: use ctrl while clicking them 15:18:53 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-50-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:19:15 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:19:37 <arex> ah 15:19:40 <arex> :) 15:19:57 <arex> would be nice to put that info in the tooltip 15:19:57 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 15:20:29 <arex> like in the clone train button, "hold ctrl to share orders", very nice 15:26:07 <arex> can one set default standard service interval for new trains in-game? 15:27:31 <peter1138> in patch settings 15:30:19 <arex> sure, but each player 15:30:36 <arex> when playing multiplayer 15:30:41 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 15:31:49 <peter1138> yes... 15:31:56 <peter1138> in... patch settings 15:32:04 <peter1138> i think 15:32:05 <peter1138> heh 15:32:15 <arex> so i can set 100 and another player can set 120? 15:32:34 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-182-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:33:55 <peter1138> dunno actually 15:33:56 <peter1138> o_O 15:34:58 <Brianetta> I'd set it to 1,000,000 15:35:22 <Brianetta> then order my trains to go to a depot as part of the schedule I give them, not one they make up as they go 15:40:17 <arex> Even if "service at depot" is in the schedule, they only go in for service if the interval has passed, right? 15:41:45 <vondel> afaik not 15:45:29 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-182-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:46:27 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-182-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:46:49 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B82567.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:49:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... peter1138: that picture ppc1... is that a left hand mouse? it looks so strange... 15:50:07 *** gradator [n=gradator@cryogenia.devnullteam.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:54:18 *** znikoz [n=1@193.227.251.17] has joined #openttd 15:55:15 <peter1138> no 15:57:23 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B82567.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:59:51 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:01:04 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 16:02:19 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:02:57 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 16:03:19 <MeusH> hi 16:07:24 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-182-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:10:44 *** egladil [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has quit [] 16:12:00 <Brianetta> Your system is up to date. 16:12:00 <Brianetta> That's one of the things I like to see my server's security package updateer say. 16:12:53 *** egladil [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:17:02 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54945AE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:21:11 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 16:24:00 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:24:13 *** znikoz [n=1@193.227.251.17] has quit [] 16:31:11 *** gradator [n=gradator@cryogenia.devnullteam.org] has joined #openttd 16:33:47 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:34:27 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 16:35:17 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 16:45:21 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:45:58 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:00 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 16:52:25 *** jonty_comp [n=Jonty@88-107-50-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:52:25 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-50-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:52:38 *** jonty_comp is now known as jonty-comp 16:53:46 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B8216E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:56:26 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:35 <The-Moon> I got my Dedicated server up 16:56:38 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Goodbye"] 16:56:41 <The-Moon> if anyone wants to join 16:56:51 <The-Moon> it uses the MinilN nightly fix 16:57:07 <Sacro> fix? 16:57:15 <The-Moon> i mean 16:57:19 <The-Moon> patch 16:57:37 <The-Moon> they just fixed the problem with not being able to connect tho.... 16:57:41 <hylje> i need my nightly fix!1111 16:57:43 <hylje> ;p 16:57:49 <peter1138> nighlt patch or nightly build? 16:57:49 <The-Moon> heh 16:57:59 <The-Moon> Nightly Build, with MiniIN 16:57:59 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3ECEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:06 <The-Moon> http://nightly.openttd.org/MiniIN/files/ 16:58:17 <The-Moon> Long Live MiniIN 16:58:21 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B8216E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:58:29 <glx> ha MiniIN branch nightly :) 16:58:37 <The-Moon> Its awsome 16:58:48 <The-Moon> New Stations work :D 16:59:01 <The-Moon> so youll probley need to enable them befor you join 16:59:08 <glx> newstations are in standard nightlies too 16:59:36 <peter1138> "they" fixed it? 16:59:44 <peter1138> that was me ;p 16:59:55 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-4469.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:00:33 <glx> The-Moon: you should post the newgrf config of you server somewhere because potential players need to have their newgrf config EXACTLY THE SAME as your server 17:00:50 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:01:03 *** iridium`nh [n=iridium@host-84-9-208-77.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 17:01:29 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 17:01:30 <The-Moon> How ? 17:01:50 <peter1138> most put up a web page 17:02:09 <The-Moon> which is fine 17:02:17 <The-Moon> but how do i tell them about the website 17:02:29 <The-Moon> wihtout having to use the server name for the web url 17:02:36 <peter1138> in the server name 17:02:44 <The-Moon> I dont want the server name, for my server, to read a web url 17:02:47 <peter1138> heh 17:02:49 <The-Moon> i want it to be the server 17:02:54 <The-Moon> there should be a seprate link 17:03:05 <The-Moon> so you can attach a website url to that server 17:03:12 <The-Moon> and i dont know why they havent added it in yet 17:03:12 <Triffid_Hunter> so link to your server from your webpage, and point people at the webpage instead of your server 17:03:24 <The-Moon> ? 17:03:43 <The-Moon> no idea how to do that, or what your talking about 17:06:25 <The-Moon> Shit 17:06:29 <The-Moon> Fullload aint working now 17:07:21 <glx> hmm there's a patch in MiniIN that changes the 'fullload' behaviour 17:07:38 <The-Moon> I think i got it working now... 17:07:46 <The-Moon> theres like several diffrent loading options now 17:08:40 <The-Moon> These maps are so much better now 17:08:50 <The-Moon> Nice Smooth Landscape 17:09:02 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B82567.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:09:40 <The-Moon> And there is some sort of New Measurement system 17:09:52 <The-Moon> SI 17:09:57 <The-Moon> whatever that is 17:10:03 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82567.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:11:15 *** _StefaN^ [n=StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl] has joined #openttd 17:12:10 <The-Moon> Omg and these new airports Rock0rs 17:13:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> SI measurement is in trunk, too 17:13:20 <The-Moon> No idea what that means :( 17:13:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> Système Internationale or something 17:13:54 *** _StefaN^ is now known as _StefaN_ 17:14:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> the standard base units, that are used worldwide 17:14:15 <The-Moon> oh 17:14:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> Meter, Second, Newton, Watt 17:14:23 <The-Moon> You mean, used world wide, aside from the USA 17:14:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> i mean the REAL world ;) 17:14:45 <The-Moon> ? 17:14:52 <The-Moon> USa aint part of the real world? 17:14:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> not some obscure isolated leftovers 17:15:11 <The-Moon> :( 17:15:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, not the world that wants to unify things and live peacefully 17:15:26 <The-Moon> The only reason your on a computer right now, is because of the usa 17:15:36 <The-Moon> Oh 17:15:39 <peter1138> lol 17:15:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> actually, that is not entirely true 17:15:41 <The-Moon> yeah well thats whati want as well 17:15:46 <The-Moon> Well 17:15:53 <The-Moon> computers were invented in the usa 17:15:58 <peter1138> *snigger* 17:16:06 <peter1138> and so was the tv? 17:16:07 <The-Moon> Well 17:16:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> most of the theoretical and practical base works on computers was done by europeans 17:16:11 <The-Moon> acctally 17:16:13 <The-Moon> i dont know 17:16:17 <The-Moon> for a fact 17:16:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> the USA are just good as mass manufacturers 17:16:28 <The-Moon> im just assumeing the circuit board was first created here 17:16:34 <The-Moon> because thats what the history channel said 17:16:42 <peter1138> so's taiwan 17:16:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> so now everyone believes the computer comes actually from the USA 17:16:52 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:16:56 <The-Moon> Nothing comes from the USA 17:17:01 <The-Moon> everything is made in japan or china 17:17:06 <The-Moon> or some other oriental countrey 17:17:22 <The-Moon> Stupied Republicans.... 17:17:25 <Belugas> Bush is made in the USA 17:17:39 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 17:17:40 <The-Moon> Lets not get into bush 17:17:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> which proves exactly what point? 17:18:59 *** egladil_ibook [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:19:05 <The-Moon> bush is a coward, if i had any say in things. I would hand him a rifle, and ship his ass off to the middle of a iraq 17:19:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> btw... the reason why the USA are so good at mass manufacturing is because they have not fought a war on their ground since 150 years 17:19:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> s/since/for 17:19:50 <The-Moon> Heh well 17:19:57 <The-Moon> i acctally just watched the history channel this morning 17:20:04 <The-Moon> and they was talking about the Assembely line 17:20:10 <The-Moon> The first person to use the assembley line 17:20:13 <The-Moon> was Ummm Ford 17:20:16 <The-Moon> the Ford dude 17:20:25 <The-Moon> and then everyone else followed 17:20:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, i know that 17:20:29 <glx> for 'model T' 17:20:36 <The-Moon> yeah 17:20:38 <The-Moon> modle t 17:20:42 <The-Moon> model 17:21:40 <Tron> peter1138: byte *tmp = malloc(256 * 3); <-- byte tmp[]; ? 17:22:07 <The-Moon> Tron : ? 17:22:25 <Tron> what? 17:22:33 <The-Moon> :|, nvm 17:22:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> The-Moon: but that was right around the time when every european country started clamping at each other 17:22:55 <peter1138> fixed array like? 17:23:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... they did that the 2000 years before also... but... 17:23:13 <peter1138> (or i've missed somat) 17:23:22 <The-Moon> i know c++, but i have no idea what malloc is 17:23:28 <peter1138> (probably lunch) 17:23:42 <Tron> missing lunch is a big mistake 17:23:58 <Tron> just like missing any meal 17:24:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> malloc() is the primitive counterpart of new() 17:24:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> it allocates memory 17:24:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> as the name suggests ;) 17:24:53 <The-Moon> 768.... 17:25:10 <The-Moon> what exatcly are you using that for? 17:25:21 <Tron> peter1138: the array has always 768 entries, so malloc() is a bit over the top 17:25:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> a pallette i assume 17:25:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> 256 colours with RGB value each 17:25:41 <The-Moon> No a pallet should be setup diffrently 17:25:43 <Tron> if it was a several megabyte arrays, malloc would be fine, you don't want that on the stack 17:25:47 <Tron> but 768 bytes... 17:26:00 <The-Moon> you should make a RGB struct 17:26:02 <The-Moon> and then 17:26:04 <peter1138> hmm, yes, duhh 17:26:07 <Tron> The-Moon: it's perfectly setup correct 17:26:12 <The-Moon> RGB Pal[256]; 17:26:14 <Tron> no 17:26:19 <The-Moon> why not? 17:26:21 <Tron> that exactly _won't work 17:26:26 <The-Moon> why not? 17:26:30 <The-Moon> works for me just fine 17:26:33 <Tron> read the commit log 17:26:50 <The-Moon> unless your working with already existing code, which uses 768 for a pallet 17:27:35 <The-Moon> whcih would explain the pointer.... 17:27:36 *** egladil [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:27:46 <Tron> it's for serialisation, here writing a PCX file 17:27:54 <Tron> the palette has to have exactly 768 bytes 17:28:10 <The-Moon> struct RGB 17:28:12 <Tron> and not some alignment depedent length the compiler choses for the struct 17:28:15 <The-Moon> unsigned char R; 17:28:17 <The-Moon> unsigned char G; 17:28:19 <The-Moon> unsigned char B; 17:28:22 <The-Moon> }; 17:28:24 <Tron> read it from my lips: 17:28:25 <Tron> THIS 17:28:27 <Tron> DOESN'T 17:28:28 <Tron> WORK 17:28:31 <The-Moon> :) 17:28:42 <The-Moon> If you say so.... 17:28:51 <Tron> i just explained why 17:28:54 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:28:57 <The-Moon> ok 17:29:04 <The-Moon> im too tired to try and understand what your doing 17:29:19 <Tron> then don't waste my breath 17:29:24 <The-Moon> ok 17:29:26 <The-Moon> sorry 17:29:46 <The-Moon> you mean fingers, as your not exactly using your mouth :) 17:29:52 <MiHaMiX> lol 17:30:19 <Tron> i hate it when people interfere, have no clue and even brag about they don't even want to understand 17:30:28 <The-Moon> .... 17:30:34 * MiHaMiX is going to make a page called "Tron's best wisecrack" :D 17:30:38 *** Schamane_ is now known as SchAmane 17:30:39 <The-Moon> if you need help with programming, then goto > #gpwiki 17:30:46 <The-Moon> they will help you fore sure 17:30:53 <The-Moon> for* 17:30:57 <peter1138> i seriously doubt tron needs help :) 17:31:15 <The-Moon> oh, ok 17:31:30 <peter1138> hmm 17:31:36 <peter1138> this pda went mad on my drive home 17:31:45 <peter1138> kept picking up different wifi signals 17:31:58 <Tron> you've been wardriving? (; 17:32:00 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: wardrive? :) 17:32:13 <peter1138> not exactly... it was just on :) 17:32:16 <MiHaMiX> lol :D 17:32:41 <Tron> what else is Wardriving? Moving around with a wifi capable device (: 17:32:44 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 17:32:59 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: you're welcomed to my workplace.. If you'll manage to crack our wifi, I'll personally give you an unlimited wifi account :D 17:33:03 <Prof_Frink> Tron: Warcycling is better for you 17:33:25 <Prof_Frink> http://www.alanblanchflower.co.uk/images/kismet/wifimap-names.png 17:33:56 <Tron> war-nordic-walking, anyone? 17:34:51 <peter1138> heh 17:37:22 <Tron> given the current climate here, i should rather try war-snorkeling 17:39:13 *** egladil_ibook is now known as egladil 17:39:16 <MiHaMiX> hehe :) 17:39:34 <MiHaMiX> Tron: are you having a waterproof wifi-capable device?:) 17:39:53 <Tron> damn, i knew there was something i missed... 17:40:22 <Tron> on the other hand: i don't have any wifi capable device at all 17:40:58 <MiHaMiX> hmm 17:41:06 <MiHaMiX> CIA-3: don't sleep! 17:41:14 * MiHaMiX kicks CIA-3 17:41:45 <MiHaMiX> hmm 17:42:05 <MiHaMiX> in this case .. Khmm... 17:42:06 <MiHaMiX> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-06-13 19:40:20 17:42:06 <MiHaMiX> italian - 4 fixed, 1 changed by sidew (5) 17:42:10 <MiHaMiX> New Revision: 5250 17:42:35 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-50-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Restart"] 17:42:41 <Tron> CIA on strike? 17:42:48 <hylje> broken 17:52:55 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit ["My BNC will keep you warm, vist #teamlag, #hexus.cs"] 17:53:41 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:05 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B374E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:58:25 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 17:59:16 *** Tron is now known as CIA-0 17:59:18 <CIA-0> tron * r5251 /branch/bridge/ (bridge_map.h tunnelbridge_cmd.c unmovable_cmd.c): 17:59:21 <CIA-0> Handle owned land under bridges 17:59:25 *** CIA-0 is now known as Tron 17:59:42 <glx> Tron: nice :) 18:00:12 <Tron> if you want it done right, you have to do it yourself 18:00:43 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E897.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 18:01:20 <Belugas> lol! 18:02:27 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:02:50 <Brianetta> A day to remember. A set of monumental changes committed to trunk. 18:03:46 <Tron> what is he talking about? 18:04:25 <Brianetta> Sometimes, when I update my nightly, I wonder whether I should just leave it to the next day, rather than kick all the players off and reset their passwords (: 18:04:45 <Brianetta> But I'm not nice to my players, so I kick them off, and their company passwords vanish. 18:05:26 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E897.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 18:17:09 <ln-> what's the roadmap regarding cargo types; will there ever be more than what we have now? 18:20:52 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 18:20:58 <peter1138> it is being worked on 18:24:06 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 18:26:28 <Belugas> ln- : be patient ;) ---> http://openttd.belugasmasques.org/cargo-2.png 18:27:32 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp83-237-234-48.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:27:55 <ln-> peter1138: what about all three types of climates on one big map (and thus all cargo types available in the same game)? 18:28:48 <Belugas> in my humble opinion, a bit tricky 18:29:03 <Brianetta> Long term goal, short term impossibility. 18:29:25 <Belugas> industries, vehicles, stations... there are a lot of things that would have to be worked on 18:29:30 <peter1138> toyland's a climate too! 18:29:37 <Brianetta> No, it really isn't 18:29:44 <Brianetta> "Brr, it's toyland out here" 18:30:15 <Brianetta> It has nice looking tracks, though 18:30:22 <peter1138> don't you say it all the time? 18:30:48 <Belugas> what would be usefull is to add a climate flag or something. 18:31:02 <peter1138> why am i streaming music to the pda? 18:31:16 <Brianetta> Belugas: Some high bits to all IDs might work 18:31:22 <ln-> first of all, couldn't the cargo types be numbered so that their numbers are unique across climates? even if no further support was made at this point. 18:31:23 <Belugas> newgrf specs for OpenTTD :) 18:31:35 <Belugas> could do, Brianetta 18:31:44 <Brianetta> ln-: That's what high bits could achieve 18:32:07 <Brianetta> Additoinally, those bits could be masked out for the purpose of loading legacy (by which I mean Patch) stuff. 18:35:08 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:35:54 * Belugas nods 18:36:28 <Sacro> well, in the words of Captain Jean Luc Picard - Make it so 18:39:46 <Belugas> problem, tough, is that they (by they I mean Patch) are using precise slots. And that "index" is used by industries and all too. 18:39:52 <Belugas> So it would be a matter 18:40:02 <Brianetta> Bah 18:40:03 <Belugas> of translationsd 18:40:09 <Brianetta> It's time we stopped following and started leading 18:40:15 <Belugas> I agree 18:40:24 <Brianetta> Patch is legacy software 18:40:33 <Belugas> don't agree 18:40:47 <Belugas> or disagree 18:40:50 <Brianetta> well, we disagree on terms, most likely 18:41:13 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:41:13 <Belugas> They are pionneers as we are 18:41:17 <Brianetta> I consider Windows to be legacy software, too. 18:41:23 <Belugas> just not on same base 18:41:52 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181085090.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:42:09 <Belugas> Battling over OS is futile. What is not is doing something platform abstract 18:42:15 <Belugas> and that it works :) 18:42:25 <Brianetta> It'd be nice to give patchman (for example) a document saying, "This is how newgrf supports irregular airports. Implement it or be incompatible." 18:42:26 *** paulstuffins is now known as kieron_lowe 18:43:55 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:44:16 <Belugas> Dalestan already wrote the specs for newairports (based on Richk67). 18:44:25 <Belugas> the idea is : do Patch want it? 18:44:56 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:44:58 <Belugas> I have found, after a few communications with him, that Patchman is a really open minded guy. 18:45:36 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3EE53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:58 <Brianetta> No question 18:46:12 <Brianetta> but where Patch leads, OpenTTD follows. 18:46:34 <Brianetta> This is mainly because they were there first, but I suspect that it's also a mindset. 18:47:10 <Belugas> Not true. Different evolutions. But, Patch wrote newgrf, and there are lots of grfs to load. OF course, on this matter, there is a follow to do 18:47:23 <Belugas> wrote NFO, i mean... 18:47:39 *** Hallo [n=me@141.24.48.94] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:47:44 <Brianetta> Part of me wants NFO replaced just to see what DaleStan says 18:48:07 <Noldo> DaleStan is a BFO fanboy? 18:48:12 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 18:48:26 <Brianetta> Noldo: *THE* fanboy 18:48:28 <Belugas> hehehe : good luck, Brianetta. That will be fun to watch over :) 18:48:44 <Belugas> Dalestan is a NFO master 18:48:57 <Brianetta> and very opinionated with it 18:49:18 <RichK67> nk 18:49:26 <Belugas> But I remember him saying once something like "if Ottd catches up on Patch newgrf, i' 18:49:31 <Belugas> ll switch over" 18:49:34 <Belugas> or something alike... 18:49:44 <Belugas> hello RichK67 18:49:49 <RichK67> News Flash: ice skating in hell :) 18:50:05 <Brianetta> (: 18:50:29 <Noldo> Finland di win the eurovision song contest so everything is possible 18:50:50 <peter1138> it was rigged 18:51:05 <RichK67> nah... the rest were crap ;) 18:51:21 <peter1138> they were all crap 18:51:31 <Brianetta> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5066538.stm 18:51:37 <Brianetta> ): whales 18:53:53 <Belugas> bastards |-( 18:56:27 *** TronBSD [n=tron@p54A3CE6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:56:45 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 18:58:15 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3ECEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:58:17 *** TronBSD is now known as Tron 18:59:51 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 19:04:48 <peter1138> ouch 19:07:58 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:08:48 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 19:10:38 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3EE53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:10:39 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:10:57 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 19:14:52 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B75BFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:15:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B75BFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:23:15 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 19:37:28 <Hagbard_Ub> Where do OTTD save the config file? 19:37:32 <Hagbard_Ub> On Linux 19:37:45 <Noldo> ~/.openttd ? 19:37:57 <Hagbard_Ub> no 19:38:05 <Hagbard_Ub> oh 19:38:09 <Hagbard_Ub> now it's there 19:38:14 <Hagbard_Ub> wasn't there earlier 19:38:23 <glx> first run? 19:38:26 <Noldo> I put it there! 19:38:29 <Hagbard_Ub> yepp 19:38:45 <glx> it's created on first exit 19:38:47 <Hagbard_Ub> reinstall of Xubuntu 19:38:51 <Hagbard_Ub> glx, Aha 19:39:18 <Hagbard_Ub> Gotta get new drivers... :D 19:39:21 *** christoos1 [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 19:39:21 <Hagbard_Ub> OTTD lag =) 19:39:59 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:40:19 *** christoos1 [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:41:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the sound driver ;) 19:41:26 <Hagbard_Ub> Eddi|zuHause, I say it's the Graphic driver... 19:41:42 <Eddi|zuHause> believe me, it's the sound driver ;) 19:41:58 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 19:42:03 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 19:42:14 <Hagbard_Ub> Eddi|zuHause, Do you know much about Linux? 19:42:25 <Hagbard_Ub> Unless you're ironicall 19:42:29 <Sacro> yep, sounds 19:42:32 <Sacro> *sound 19:42:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i read the logs of this channel... and it's always the sound driver 19:42:53 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody ever had graphics problem 19:42:53 <Hagbard_Ub> You guys doesn't have a clue :P:P 19:42:54 *** [BRASIL]Magus_X_ [i=t7DS@201.35.146.5] has joined #openttd 19:42:56 *** [BRASIL]Magus_X_ is now known as Magus_X 19:43:03 <Sacro> Hagbard_Ub: we do 19:43:06 <Magus_X> OMG 19:43:10 <Magus_X> hello 19:43:21 <Eddi|zuHause> but to answer your question: no, i have no clue about linux 19:43:23 <Hagbard_Ub> Eddi|zuHause, It's my graphic driver 19:43:27 <Sacro> Magus_X: hello 19:43:32 <Magus_X> :) 19:43:44 <Magus_X> OMG 19:43:46 <Magus_X> YEAH 19:43:47 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:43:48 <Sacro> what? 19:43:52 <Magus_X> GOAL!!! 19:44:11 <Sacro> ? 19:44:19 <hylje> football 19:44:26 <Magus_X> ^^ 19:44:46 <Magus_X> er... whats up? 19:44:47 * Sacro tries telnet ascii-wm.net 2006 19:46:00 <peter1138> too many connections :) .. try later 19:46:40 <Vornicus> hm 19:47:22 * Sacro wanted ascii football 19:47:43 <Vornicus> Railroad engines are often described by the number of wheels they have in particular positions, like 4-4-0. But I've never seen an engine described as having an odd number of wheels in any positions. Are there any? 19:47:58 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit ["It's a new quit message!"] 19:49:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah... 19:49:22 <Eddi|zuHause> there were some monorail attempts 19:49:30 <Eddi|zuHause> with like 1-3-1 engines 19:49:48 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a website somewhere 19:50:23 <Eddi|zuHause> btw. it's not the positions, but wether the wheels are driven or not 19:50:31 <Eddi|zuHause> first number: front undriven wheels 19:50:41 <Eddi|zuHause> middle number: middle driven wheels 19:50:50 <Eddi|zuHause> last number: back undriven wheels 19:50:50 <Vornicus> yeah, but it's... uh... something. 19:51:04 <Eddi|zuHause> and that's the british system 19:51:06 <Vornicus> And then I'd sewar there were ones with four numbers 19:51:12 <Eddi|zuHause> the german system is much more flexible 19:51:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and that one counts axles, not wheels 19:52:00 <Eddi|zuHause> where undriven axles are described with numbers, and driven wheels with letters 19:52:12 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:52:17 <Eddi|zuHause> plus some odd modifications that i never remember what they mean 19:52:33 <Eddi|zuHause> like: Bo'Bo' 19:52:37 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:52:48 <Eddi|zuHause> o means that the axles are driven independently 19:52:52 <Eddi|zuHause> but the ' i have no clue 19:53:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the 4-4-0 engine would be 2B in that system 19:54:30 *** Tom_Fredrik [n=chatzill@cpe-066-057-252-127.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:54:48 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:56:06 <Eddi|zuHause> ah... the ' denotes that the axles are not connected directly to the frame 19:56:20 <Eddi|zuHause> but can be turned (in curves) 19:58:22 *** Tom_Fredrik [n=chatzill@cpe-066-057-252-127.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:58:46 <Bjarni> where do you read that? 19:58:48 <Vornicus> aha, so Bo'Bo' is a thing with two little two-axle trucks that meet the curves, like NY subway cars? 19:59:23 <Bjarni> Bo'Bo' is actually pretty common these days 19:59:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Bo'Bo' is pretty much every modern engine ;) 19:59:57 <Eddi|zuHause> except if you have "monsters" 20:00:08 <Bjarni> you mean like Co'Co' ? 20:00:09 <Bjarni> ;) 20:00:16 <Eddi|zuHause> for example 20:01:02 <Bjarni> or Do'Do' (centennial) 20:01:21 <Bjarni> actually that one is vintage by now, so it's not a modern engine 20:01:24 <Bjarni> it's from 1969 20:02:04 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498DB96.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 20:02:31 <Bjarni> I don't think I have seen the A1A'A1A' since the early 60s 20:02:36 <Bjarni> is it still used? 20:02:47 <Bjarni> apart from engines, that are likely to be retired soon 20:03:29 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: <Bjarni> where do you read that? <-- you didn't answer me and I still like to know that ;) 20:03:41 <Eddi|zuHause> what? 20:03:56 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> ah... the ' denotes that the axles are not connected directly to the frame 20:04:02 <Bjarni> sounds like you are reading that somewhere 20:04:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i googled for "achsfolge bezeichnung" 20:04:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and took the first result 20:04:33 <Bjarni> ok, that's one way to do it 20:05:15 <Bjarni> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achsfolge <-- seems pretty complete 20:05:31 <hylje> ewww german 20:05:57 <ln-> deutsch macht spaß! 20:06:19 <Bjarni> guys, you forgot something 20:06:22 <ln-> so hat unsere deutschbuch gesagt, und so muß es sein. 20:06:26 <Bjarni> CAPITAL LETTERS 20:06:27 <Bjarni> :P 20:07:19 <hylje> YA BECAUSE CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME 20:07:23 <hylje> (RLY) 20:07:46 <Bjarni> ... 20:07:53 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:07:53 <Bjarni> it's German, not german 20:07:55 *** dp__ [n=dp@p54B2F7C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:07 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 20:08:19 <Bjarni> D 0-8-0 Eight-Wheel-Switcher <-- not entirely true. I have seen that wheel configuration on non-switchers as well 20:09:39 <Bjarni> (2'D)D2' 4-8-8-4 Big Boy (Mallet-Type) <-- Big Boy was no mallet since it only got high pressure pistons. A mallet got two high pressure and two low pressure pistons 20:10:00 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: you feel like editing wikipedia, since I don't intend to do that in German 20:10:17 <ln-> Bjarni: warum nicht? 20:10:32 * ln- hat deutsche wikipedia geeditiert... 20:10:42 <Bjarni> I think Eddi|zuHause is better at making German sounding sentences 20:10:55 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i am not really sure what a mallet is... 20:11:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd rather not edit anything 20:11:05 <Bjarni> !whatis mallet 20:11:07 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Mallet \Mal"let\, n. A small maul with a short handle, -- used esp. for driving a tool, as a chisel or the like; also, a light beetle with a long handle, -- used in playing croquet. mallet n 1: a sports implement with a long handle and a head like a hammer; used in sports (polo or croquet) to hit a ball 2: a light drumstick with a rounded head that is used to strike percussion instruments 3: a tool resembling a hammer but with 20:11:07 <Brianetta> or who 20:11:15 <Bjarni> it's not that :P 20:11:20 <Eddi|zuHause> well.. i would translate "Mallet" with Hammer 20:12:10 <Bjarni> Mallet is a steam locomotive (almost all of them was built in USA), where the boiler could turn, so they had two sets of driving wheels 20:12:15 <Bjarni> just like Big Boy 20:12:41 <Eddi|zuHause> ah... 20:12:49 <Bjarni> but the mallets got small high pressure pistons on the rear set and big low pressure pistons on the front set 20:12:59 <Bjarni> the front set then ran on the excaust steam from the rear set 20:13:07 <Eddi|zuHause> still i would rather not edit anything 20:13:20 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn13-168.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:13:49 <Bjarni> big boy only had high pressure pistons, so it didn't use the exhaust steam for anything (hence the bad fuel economy) 20:14:23 <Bjarni> it did give it extra traction power though, which were a pretty good thing at the rather nasty grades it was running on 20:14:42 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:15:31 <Bjarni> actually I think narrow gauge got a lot of mallets, but the ones on normal gauge tend to be in USA 20:16:03 <Bjarni> we only had one in Denmark ever and it never really worked 20:16:40 <Bjarni> the constructor decided to go to America to see how they did it and he had the misfortune to get a ticket to Titanic and nobody else was able to take over 20:16:57 <Bjarni> hmm 20:16:58 <Born_Acorn> How unlucky. 20:16:59 <Eddi|zuHause> fun ;) 20:17:09 <Bjarni> yeah 20:17:17 <Bjarni> it was pretty unlucky 20:17:22 <Bjarni> he made pretty good engines 20:18:16 <Bjarni> small tank engines to fit shortlines, which turned out to be ideal to the task 20:18:52 <Bjarni> and a large (at least compared to what you see on shortlines) tank engine to handle freight 20:20:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i ever heard of such double-engines in germany... 20:20:22 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2CC50.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:20:22 *** dp__ is now known as dp-- 20:20:28 <Eddi|zuHause> they experimented with all kinds of turnable driven axles though 20:21:11 <Bjarni> they did have some of those down south, but I think it was narrow gauge only 20:22:05 <Bjarni> they are mainly designed for sharp curves and steep grades, which is often the case with relatively cheaply build lines in mountainous areas 20:22:32 <Bjarni> narrow gauge is cheaper than normal gauge, so they tend to not avoiding grades as much as normal lines 20:23:07 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:23:32 <Bjarni> http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/misc/cb_DSB_bike.jpg <-- not really that vehicle, that I was looking for, but nice pic 20:23:48 <Bjarni> railroad bicycle :) 20:23:57 <hylje> mountains? in denmark? 20:24:49 <Bjarni> yeah 20:25:02 <Eddi|zuHause> german mountains also have a lot of narrow gauge 20:25:04 <Bjarni> we got the highest mountain in the world. Didn't you know that? 20:25:05 <Noldo> how high is the highest point in denmark? 20:25:17 <hylje> Bjarni: fo sho 20:25:25 <Bjarni> actually we do 20:25:33 <hylje> proof 20:25:34 <peter1138> they're just buried 20:25:41 <Bjarni> it's around 20 km high. They discovered it like a month ago 20:25:45 <Bjarni> or 2 or something 20:25:55 <Bjarni> the peak is 10 km below sea level 20:26:46 <Bjarni> peter1138: how did you know? 20:27:16 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.166.154] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:27:19 <Bjarni> <Noldo> how high is the highest point in denmark? <-- naturally... I think it's 172 meters or something like that 20:27:30 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:27:42 <Bjarni> but the highest point is actually a bridge, since it's 210 meters or something 20:28:16 <Bjarni> http://www.uni-kassel.de/ssv/fb14/images/storebaelt.jpg <-- the highest point in Denmark 20:28:42 <Eddi|zuHause> you build bridges over your mountains? ;) 20:28:53 <hylje> that is a dedicated highway no? 20:28:58 <Bjarni> it is 20:29:09 <Bjarni> since it's a political solution 20:29:24 <hylje> :o 20:29:31 <Bjarni> the thing is that the question was if we should have a bridge or a tunnel 20:29:41 <Bjarni> a tunnel would be better for the waterflow 20:29:58 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["in /dev/null no one can hear you scream"] 20:30:17 <Bjarni> so the environmentalists got a railroad tunnel since railroads are good the for environment and the motorists got their bridge 20:30:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd imagine a tunnel to be more expensive 20:30:25 <Bjarni> and we left the realm of sanity 20:30:44 <Bjarni> there is a tunnel below the bridge 20:30:54 <Eddi|zuHause> that is _real_ fun ;) 20:31:41 <hylje> ye thought that there was a railroad somewhere 20:32:09 <Bjarni> http://www.sundogbaelt.dk/dk/Menu/Presse/Billeder/Storeb%c3%a6lt/Sprog%c3%b8.jpg <-- ok, it's not directly below the bridge, but still 20:32:15 <Bjarni> it connects the same islands 20:33:32 <hylje> you can go from Uppsala to mainland Europe by highway 20:33:39 <Bjarni> and here is the funny part: the crossing of the water is done in two parts (this is the island in the middle). The eastern bridge can handle both rails and road, but the politicians could not agree on that for the western part 20:33:39 <Eddi|zuHause> that is a _large_ picture 20:34:02 <Bjarni> well, I hate those 32x32 pics 20:34:09 <Bjarni> and we all got good connections 20:34:41 <Eddi|zuHause> for certain weird definitions of "we" 20:35:03 <hylje> :p 20:35:08 <Eddi|zuHause> we all know that i have the worst connection under the sun 20:35:25 <hylje> define 20:35:50 <Bjarni> you are on 28.8? 20:35:58 <Magus_X> lol 20:36:11 <Magus_X> 14.4? 20:36:14 * Bjarni looks at his 28.8 modem 20:36:23 <Magus_X> o.O 20:36:36 <Magus_X> really? 20:36:40 <Bjarni> FAX/MODEM 28800 BPS 20:36:45 <Magus_X> rofl 20:36:45 <Bjarni> that's what it says 20:37:01 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i have DSL light ;) 20:37:02 <Magus_X> oh my... 20:37:07 <Bjarni> Xlink 288E 20:37:10 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@80.251.195.2] has joined #openttd 20:37:16 <Trenskow> ping Bjarni 20:37:26 <Magus_X> QC-5000 -> 128k/608k :/ 20:37:31 <Bjarni> I have it on display or whatever you called ever since I got DSL 20:37:44 <Bjarni> Trenskow: I'm not here 20:37:57 <Trenskow> huh ? 20:37:58 <Eddi|zuHause> 384k/72k or something like that... 20:38:11 <Eddi|zuHause> but in my experience, ISDN reacted much faster... 20:38:15 <Eddi|zuHause> while browsing 20:38:17 <Bjarni> Trenskow: my firewall filters out pings of suspicious origin 20:38:32 <Bjarni> so I didn't see your ping request :P 20:38:38 <Eddi|zuHause> which is certainly why you reacted ;) 20:38:53 <Eddi|zuHause> hey... the picture is done 20:38:58 <Bjarni> lol 20:38:59 <hylje> "sorry, i had you on ignore. what?" 20:39:00 <Magus_X> LOL 20:39:49 <Bjarni> <hylje> you can go from Uppsala to mainland Europe by highway <-- you are in Uppsala? 20:40:12 <hylje> no 20:40:14 <Trenskow> Bjarni, hehe :) 20:40:17 <hylje> but the highway starts there 20:40:20 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:40:31 <Bjarni> I don't know why anybody would want to go to Uppsala 20:40:38 <Trenskow> Bjarni, what do you think of this solution: 20:40:40 <Bjarni> it's full of Swedes >_< 20:40:42 <Eddi|zuHause> he said "from" ;) 20:40:43 <Trenskow> before clicking filtering: 20:40:45 <hylje> o rly ? 20:40:49 <Trenskow> www.trenskow.com/data/before.png 20:40:53 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181085090.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 20:40:55 <Trenskow> and after clicking filter 20:40:59 <Trenskow> www.trenskow.com/data/after.png 20:41:06 *** _StefaN_ [n=StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl] has quit [] 20:41:06 <Sacro> pmsl -> http://www.pleasemakethiswork.com/ 20:41:18 <Bjarni> The image "http://www.trenskow.com/data/after.png" cannot be displayed, because it contains errors. 20:41:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i get only small pictures with a red cross ;) 20:41:31 <Trenskow> argh 20:41:32 <Bjarni> The image "http://www.trenskow.com/data/before.png" cannot be displayed, because it contains errors. 20:41:33 <Trenskow> what about after 20:41:39 <hylje> after is broken 20:41:39 <Trenskow> ahh both 20:41:43 <Trenskow> two seks 20:41:47 <Bjarni> 1 20:41:49 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498DB96.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:49 <Bjarni> 2 20:41:52 <hylje> 6 20:41:54 <Trenskow> yea yea :D 20:41:55 <Sacro> esx? 20:41:56 <Eddi|zuHause> 24 20:41:58 <Bjarni> still not fixed 20:42:04 <Trenskow> hehehe 20:42:09 <Bjarni> you are already long (in %) overdue 20:42:17 <Trenskow> photoshop and ppc 1.33 is a bad cocktail 20:42:19 <Eddi|zuHause> (but i also have the worst clock under the sun ;)) 20:42:38 <[Shaman]> Hmf 20:42:40 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: 0,6 MHz? 20:42:57 <[Shaman]> getting an idea for a patch, but i don't even know how to make patches lol 20:43:03 * [Shaman] goes fiddle 20:43:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean... my clock goes wrong all the time... no matter how often i set it 20:43:19 <Eddi|zuHause> and it got worse in the last week 20:43:44 <hylje> Eddi|zuHause: i dont think Sun made any clocks, apart from teh clocks in their boxen 20:43:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean... previously it was like 5 minutes late every few days 20:44:03 <Eddi|zuHause> but now it's like 10 minutes after 2 hours 20:44:27 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 20:44:34 <Eddi|zuHause> even installing NTP did not actually help 20:44:43 <Eddi|zuHause> (or i did not configure it correctly) 20:45:03 <Trenskow> Bjarni, www.trenskow.com/data/before.jpg and www.trenskow.com/data/after.jpg 20:45:14 <hylje> you configured it to get time off a random number generator? :> 20:45:26 <Trenskow> wtf ? same thing ? 20:45:34 <Eddi|zuHause> even that'd give more accurate results ;) 20:45:34 <hylje> yes 20:46:13 <Bjarni> Trenskow: now you killed the error 20:46:35 <Bjarni> and now it even figures out what URL I try to reach and replies with it :P 20:46:53 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing changed for me... 20:46:54 <peter1138> clever that 20:47:14 <Bjarni> lol 20:47:22 <Eddi|zuHause> or it is just IE telling "bugger off, that last picture you sent me to get took fricking ages" 20:47:29 <Bjarni> try to go to that page and get it to say "http://www.trenskow.com/data/after.jpg" 20:47:34 <Bjarni> and get the source for that page 20:47:44 <Trenskow> Bjarni, just deleted the images 20:47:50 <Bjarni> if I print it it will be several pages 20:47:56 <peter1138> good ol' IIS 20:48:05 <Trenskow> just created new screenshots 20:48:07 <Trenskow> uploading now 20:48:15 <hylje> :> 20:48:22 <hylje> good old M$ bloat 20:48:29 <Bjarni> 11 pages to write "http://www.trenskow.com/data/after.jpg" in plain text 20:48:44 <peter1138> Bjarni: that's your brower 20:48:46 <peter1138> +s 20:48:51 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 20:49:10 <Trenskow> well... before is ready 20:49:10 <Nubian> The image "http://www.trenskow.com/data/after.jpg" cannot be displayed, because it contains errors. 20:49:11 <peter1138> Trenskow: using ftp? uploading in binary mode? 20:49:19 <Trenskow> www.trenskow.com/data/before.png 20:49:25 <Trenskow> theres really no reason for that shot 20:49:30 <Trenskow> as it is the same as always 20:49:37 <Belugas_Gone> night all 20:49:38 <peter1138> yeah, it's always text that says it's broken ;p 20:49:42 <RichK67> gn 20:49:50 <hylje> :< 20:49:55 <Trenskow> same thing ? 20:50:00 <Trenskow> wtf is happening ? 20:50:00 <Bjarni> yeah 20:50:01 <hylje> yes 20:50:04 *** Forexs- [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 20:50:06 <hylje> try imageshack.us ? 20:50:22 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:50:40 <Eddi|zuHause> ah well... as long as winamp works, i am happy ;) 20:50:47 <Bjarni> Trenskow: you need to beat your computer some more, otherwise it can get rebellious like now 20:51:06 * Eddi|zuHause listens to The Colour - Save Yourself 20:51:17 <hylje> install linux on it 20:51:17 <Trenskow> Bjarni, i know why...... doh! 20:51:18 <hylje> :p 20:51:21 <Bjarni> think about it. You paid a one time price to get it and then you expect it to work for you whenever you want without payment 20:51:21 <Trenskow> fucking iis 20:51:27 <Trenskow> needs to say image in ftp client 20:51:28 <Bjarni> that's kind of like slavery 20:51:37 <Trenskow> hehehe 20:51:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i treat my computer with care... 20:52:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and look where it got me 20:52:09 <Bjarni> so go beat some sense into your computer to remove that rebellious act 20:52:28 <Trenskow> i wont be uploading before, because it's the same network server list dialog as it's always been 20:52:36 <Trenskow> it's just when clicking filters i wanna show 20:52:38 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: well, you didn't get it to work fast. It took you ages to get that picture, that the rest of us got in no time 20:52:50 <Eddi|zuHause> see my point ;) 20:53:05 <Trenskow> Bjarni, now it should be right: www.trenskow.com/data/after.png 20:54:01 <Trenskow> so when you click filters, it moves the networks window, and displays the filter dialog below 20:54:14 <Trenskow> and the filtering is instantly when clicking/unclicking checkboxes 20:54:28 <Bjarni> did you do anything to languages or advanced? 20:54:33 <Eddi|zuHause> moving the window is an awful idea 20:54:47 <Trenskow> Bjarni, no those i haven't done yet 20:54:52 <[Shaman]> where's the whole chat thingie located anyhow? :O 20:55:02 <Trenskow> just wanted to know your thought of the window concept before continuing 20:55:29 * peter1138 > sleep 20:55:34 <Eddi|zuHause> like i said... moving is awful... 20:55:39 <Bjarni> hey, Trenskow uses the same IRC client as me 20:55:39 <Trenskow> Eddi|zuHause, cool 20:55:46 <Bjarni> did you steal it from me??? 20:55:46 <Trenskow> Bjarni, hehehe 20:55:48 <Eddi|zuHause> show the window a little higher from the beginning 20:56:04 <hylje> interesting 20:56:11 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B374E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:56:34 <Trenskow> Bjarni, you're using mac too? 20:56:38 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> moving the window is an awful idea <-- why not having it in the big size all the time, so it doesn't move around the screen? 20:56:46 <Bjarni> !slap Trenskow 20:56:47 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Bjarni believes that Trenskow names his children after an NE2000 boot rom. That geek... 20:56:57 <hylje> thats not a slap 20:57:00 <Trenskow> hehehe 20:57:01 <Bjarni> Trenskow: you should know. I made the mac port 20:57:07 <Trenskow> Bjarni, lol hehehe 20:57:13 <Trenskow> alright i think you do :D 20:57:25 <Trenskow> actually i thought it was darkvater :) 20:57:26 <Trenskow> sorry 20:57:38 <Trenskow> Bjarni, but thank you for bringing this game to mac :D 20:57:39 <Bjarni> Darkvater don't know shit about how OSX works 20:57:52 <Trenskow> hehe :) 20:58:15 <Trenskow> Bjarni, do you think the window should be stationary, or should you be able to show / hide ? 20:58:19 <Bjarni> actually I got access to the svn server before Darkvater did, which makes me the developer, who had svn access for the longest period 20:58:23 <Bjarni> more than 2 years now 20:58:24 <Trenskow> actually i like the show/hide option 20:58:33 <Trenskow> nice 20:58:34 <Trenskow> :) 20:58:41 <Bjarni> send me a diff, so I can try it 20:58:53 <Trenskow> allright 20:59:03 <Trenskow> but remember. now feature complete 20:59:08 <Trenskow> can't hide it right now 20:59:17 <Bjarni> sometimes something looks really cool in a still image and sucks to work with 20:59:46 <Bjarni> <Trenskow> but remember. now feature complete <-- already? that was quick. You missed doing a whole lot of stuff a moment ago :P 21:00:03 <Bjarni> (s/now/not) 21:00:22 <Bjarni> one letter, and such a big difference 21:01:06 <Sacro> http://gabbly.com/www.openttd.org :D 21:01:23 <Trenskow> Bjarni, hehehe sorry... now = not :) 21:01:31 <Trenskow> Bjarni, www.trenskow.com/data/network_filter.diff 21:01:42 <Trenskow> i have to go... i'll be back online in 30 21:02:09 <Bjarni> LOL 21:02:15 <Trenskow> what 21:02:17 <Trenskow> 404 ? 21:02:20 <Trenskow> this sucks 21:02:21 <Bjarni> I started to wonder where that sound came from 21:02:35 <Bjarni> then I noticed that gabby chat 21:02:56 <Bjarni> I didn't notice that that page got a chat window, but it plays a sound each time somebody new visits the page 21:02:57 <Trenskow> Bjarni, be back in 30 21:03:01 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@80.251.195.2] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 21:09:07 <[Shaman]> Any of you got a clue where the 'chat' section is in the source ? :o 21:10:16 <gradator> grep -r "chat" * ? :p 21:10:35 <[Shaman]> windows, foo 21:10:44 <[Shaman]> else i wouldn't be asking it :P 21:10:58 <[Shaman]> linux thing == refusing to run subversion for some odd reason 21:11:02 <[Shaman]> and i cba to 'fix' it :P 21:11:26 <hylje> theres the GNU core tools for windows too, foo 21:11:44 <hylje> but *the* solution to everything would be a switch to linux 21:11:44 <Eddi|zuHause> mingw ftw \o/ 21:11:59 <[Shaman]> I.. use linux allready, as server 21:12:07 <[Shaman]> usefull to look through fucktons of code as well 21:12:11 <[Shaman]> if.. it would listen :/ 21:12:14 <hylje> :< 21:13:24 <[Shaman]> AH! found 21:13:25 <[Shaman]> i think 21:13:34 <[Shaman]> now to see if it works if i change the max text entered :p 21:14:28 <Sacro> god i hate CSS 21:18:03 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["BBL"] 21:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i better not start listing what i hate ;) 21:19:31 <Qball> Sacro: I do too 21:19:53 <[Shaman]> I wonder if i change this size from 64 to 512... 21:19:55 * [Shaman] fiddles 21:20:13 <Sacro> Qball:i can never get it to work :( 21:20:18 <Sacro> my id and class never work 21:20:44 <Qball> yes.. 21:21:18 <Sacro> but i have Naked Gun to keep me amused 21:21:58 <[Shaman]> ok that had much use...... 21:22:21 <Qball> Sacro: hmmm 21:22:26 <Sacro> might just give up and use style= in all my tags 21:22:30 <RichK67> bah!!! small maps are a useless pain... im thinking of disabling 64x for TGP 21:22:33 <hylje> Amusei! 21:22:41 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 21:22:46 *** A1win [i=a1win@loota.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:22:52 *** A1win [i=a1win@loota.fi] has joined #openttd 21:23:43 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387C080.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 21:24:59 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B8216E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 21:25:42 <[Shaman]> RichK67: Do you happen to know where to change the max-size of the chat input thingie? :o 21:30:11 <RichK67> nope - but my guess would be network_gui.c 21:31:08 <[Shaman]> yeh 21:31:16 <[Shaman]> first working on multi-line support for chat though 21:31:24 <[Shaman]> that is, if it will EVER work :P 21:31:35 <RichK67> interesting idea 21:32:33 <RichK67> _chat_window_widgets in network_gui.c nearly at the bottom of the file 21:32:40 * [Shaman] nods 21:32:41 <[Shaman]> found the input area 21:32:50 <[Shaman]> output is in texteff.c 21:33:36 <[Shaman]> now the nasty thing is, i'm absolutely CLUELESS on how texteff does it, so this will be a lot of googling xD 21:35:48 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:37:48 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 21:40:12 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 21:43:46 <[Shaman]> ok, somebody's bound to know this, char buf[DEFINED_1][DEFINED_2] gives an error.. that because of DEFINED_2 ? 21:43:53 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54945AE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["gn"] 21:44:46 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 21:47:20 <ln-> hmm, at what year are electrified rails introduced, and why? ... or is it the same year as the first electric locomotive? 21:47:37 *** hylje [i=hylje@a84-230-90-195.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:48:43 <Sacro> ln-: first electric loco 21:49:07 <XeryusTC> http://qdb.us/8705 rofl 21:49:13 <[Shaman]> sh'30 iirc 21:49:24 <ln-> my point is just that surely electrified railways were known way before 1950's irl. 21:49:25 <[Shaman]> lol xer 21:49:42 <[Shaman]> ln- It's the same as maglev/monorail 21:49:48 <[Shaman]> they were known before the trains came out 21:50:20 <ln-> well yeah, but electrified railways were in quite wide use even in the 1920's 21:51:12 * [Shaman] shrugs 21:53:07 <[Shaman]> any of you know what the 'proper' way is to do something like "char buff[MAX_TEXTMESSAGE_LINES][MAX_TEXTMESSAGE_LENGTH];" 21:53:12 <ln-> another question: is the elrail support currently considered to be completed, as far as user interface is concerned? 21:53:38 <RichK67> depends if you have a stunning new way of handling it... 21:53:42 <ln-> [Shaman]: std::vector<std::string> buff; 21:54:16 <[Shaman]> o_O 21:54:28 <[Shaman]> now I'm really confused :p 21:54:37 <RichK67> In: there is no point building electric rails until there is rolling stock to use it, and that is defined by the .grf set 21:55:19 <RichK67> if you want electric in 1921, create a .grf set with an electric train available then... and poof!! the dialogs will appear 21:55:32 <ln-> it's very annoying that i cannot connect elrail and non-elrail, i.e. cannot make them cross each other. the piece of normal rail should automatically be converted to elrail if building such a junction is attempted. 21:56:11 <RichK67> agreed - electric should always "trump" normal rail 21:56:47 <XeryusTC> isn't that quite impossible with the current map array? 21:58:01 <RichK67> i think its possible; just not implemented like that... its probably if (railtype_existing != railtype_constructing) dont allow construction 21:58:47 <ln-> XeryusTC: not impossible at all. read my sentence, i didn't suggest having two types of rail in the same square. 21:59:12 <RichK67> but it should be if (railtype_existing != railtype_construction && most_compatible(railtype_construction, railtype_existing)) allow construction 21:59:24 * XeryusTC rereads 21:59:48 <XeryusTC> hmm 22:00:04 <RichK67> [22:56] XeryusTC: isn't that quite impossible with the current map array? <-- isnt very specific "that" ... what "that"?? 22:00:20 <XeryusTC> RichK67: i misread 22:00:26 <RichK67> okies :) 22:00:34 <XeryusTC> i thought that ln- meant that he wanted to have normal and erail on the same tile 22:00:50 <ln-> i could even make a patch unless i had stopped making patches for OTTD. 22:02:01 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498E19F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:03:06 <RichK67> ok - question... TGP now detects whether you have chosen to use TGP or original map generator, and greys-out the inappropriate options... should i also print a phrase like "Using TerraGenesis Maps", or "Using Traditional Maps" on the dialog, or is the fact its greyed out enough?? 22:03:37 <XeryusTC> i think you should put the text somewhere 22:04:21 <RichK67> how about in the title bar; "Landscape Generation - TerraGenesis", "L...G... - Traditional"?? 22:04:27 <XeryusTC> if someone else wants to add another map generator and it doesn't use all of TGP's options then it's kinda hard to tell the difference between the original and the new 22:04:42 <XeryusTC> RichK67: i think that something like that would be best 22:05:01 <RichK67> i would expect someone else to build a new gui, and hook in what they want there 22:05:04 <anboni> RichK67, how about making the choice between TGP and traditional happen in that same window as well? 22:05:39 <RichK67> anboni - im not keen on that, and some of the devs dont want to see it there either 22:06:19 <XeryusTC> it would be nice if you could have something "tabbed" like the patch config window 22:06:21 <anboni> it would seem to me that's the only logical place to put it, frankly :) but then i'm not familiar with the previous trains of thought from the devs :) 22:06:39 <[Shaman]> ln-: That thing you said isn't really working? :o 22:06:54 <[Shaman]> then again, i suck at C so it's probably me :P 22:10:30 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a81-197-103-246.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 22:10:37 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498DB96.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:10:49 *** Schamane_ is now known as SchAmane 22:11:35 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-182-64.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:13:28 <ln-> [Shaman]: it was C++, not C... you didn't specify your language. 22:14:14 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [] 22:14:37 <[Shaman]> .. true that 22:19:09 <ln-> http://www.tuug.fi/~pkio/bin/erkki.jpg 22:23:37 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.2/2006051612]"] 22:24:02 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 22:28:30 <Bjarni> ln-: interesting... 22:28:40 <Bjarni> the pic, that is 22:29:11 <Bjarni> and I bet it will be a whole lot more interesting if I could understand it ;) 22:30:01 <Bjarni> a guess is "do not ohraa" 22:30:34 <Bjarni> hmmm 22:30:45 <Bjarni> a wild guess "do not open" 22:31:18 <Bjarni> ln-: it's illegal to post a link in here and then run away without explaining it 22:32:05 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.166.154] has joined #openttd 22:32:38 *** _Red is now known as Red 22:33:40 <ln-> well it says Erkki O. is harvesting barley and not rye to feed his pigs, as stated earlier in local news paper. the text below says "REALLY?!?!? Tell me more!" 22:34:15 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-239-48.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:34:16 <Bjarni> hehe 22:34:21 <Bjarni> it a proof 22:34:31 <Bjarni> Finnish is not a human language 22:34:38 <Bjarni> I had no idea what it said :P 22:35:11 <Jpl> I'm a Finn. I'm a human. 22:35:16 <Jpl> Beware. 22:35:17 <Sacro> dah, missed it 22:35:34 <Sacro> before of finns bearing...err, whatever finns bear 22:37:02 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:37:04 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 22:37:13 <valhallazzzw> Jpl: I though all finns were monsters! :o 22:37:14 <valhallazzzw> :p 22:37:55 * valhallazzzw <-- :Z 22:37:56 <valhallazzzw> :w 22:38:34 <Bjarni> <Jpl> I'm a Finn. I'm a human. <-- o_O 22:38:37 <Bjarni> a hybrid 22:38:43 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:39:59 <Bjarni> actually I wonder how close Finnish is to what Scandinavian was before European (mainly German) influence 22:40:28 <Bjarni> odds are that it's closer than we usually think 22:40:38 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 22:44:19 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:44:37 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:47:34 <ln-> hmm, interesting, frankfurt an der oder is really that near to another town in Poland. 22:47:52 <ln-> only a river between them. 22:48:20 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp83-237-234-48.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 22:49:00 <bulio> hrmm 22:49:10 <Trenskow> Bjarni, scandinavian ? 22:49:11 <bulio> are there any interesting openttd fetures I could utrn on? 22:49:18 <bulio> Just to make the game a little different 22:51:31 <ln-> just in case someone didn't notice, Google Earth has been released on Linux®. 22:51:37 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B75BFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:52:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B7753F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:52:29 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:53:15 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:53:56 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-4474.bb.online.no] has quit ["Bunchie!"] 23:02:07 <bulio> whats the difference between ttdpatch and openttd? 23:02:29 <Bjarni> do you really have to ask? 23:02:58 <Bjarni> I mean did you try the patch? 23:03:21 <bulio> I'm looking at the fatures of it 23:03:40 <bulio> openTTD has some of the fatures from the patch 23:04:17 <Bjarni> some features are patch only and some features are OpenTTD only 23:04:30 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.166.154] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 23:07:33 <RichK67> some are both, and some dont work ;) 23:07:43 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:07:47 <The-Moon> RichK67 23:07:54 <RichK67> that is me 23:08:02 <The-Moon> add in a feature, so that you can set a URL to your server 23:08:08 <The-Moon> that way players can goto your website 23:08:14 <The-Moon> to see the server details 23:08:17 <KUDr> RichK67: can i send you update? 23:08:24 <The-Moon> and you still will be able to have a normal server name, in the server list 23:08:29 <RichK67> sounds good - i would prefer that to be in trunk tho 23:08:31 <The-Moon> Im sure it cant be 2 hard 23:08:36 <The-Moon> What is truck? 23:08:51 <RichK67> hi KUDr - i got an update to upload to MiniIN in a second 23:08:55 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 23:09:37 <KUDr> RichK67: so don't you want updated coasts? 23:09:45 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 23:09:51 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 23:11:37 <Born_Acorn> and most features in TTDPatch we want in OTTD. (Like autoslope!) and some we don't (Locomotion GUI) 23:11:40 <Born_Acorn> autoslope woo. 23:12:03 <The-Moon> auto slope? 23:12:32 <Born_Acorn> you can raiseand lower land underneath things and it automatically makes a foundation in its place. 23:12:48 <The-Moon> oh 23:13:11 <Born_Acorn> quite hand in towns. 23:13:13 <Born_Acorn> *handy 23:18:47 <RichK67> KUDr - further comments in the chat window 23:18:50 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.2/2006051612]"] 23:19:12 <KUDr> RichK67: i don't hear you there 23:21:50 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:22:00 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 23:26:39 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 23:26:39 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:27:53 <bulio> what is a terminus? 23:28:44 <gradator> end of line 23:30:10 <Darkvater> so any problems with the terraform thingie? 23:30:59 <Born_Acorn> I had problems remembering to test it. 23:31:31 <Darkvater> fuck, I've been playing tennis for 5 hours straight today 23:31:37 <Darkvater> bleh...tired 23:33:27 *** Osai^2 [n=Osai@p54B368C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:53 *** Cipri [n=cipri@a47034.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:34:39 <glx> RichK67: you should learn how to use debug() ;) 23:37:13 *** Osai^2 [n=Osai@p54B368C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:44:49 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B374E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:45:21 <arex> What's the easiest way to convert from railway to monorail? Do I have to do everything over again? :) 23:51:48 <Kjetil_> there is a convertion tool, but you have to convert all the trains manually 23:52:19 <arex> ouch 23:52:24 <Kjetil_> There was a depot conversion patch available earlier 23:52:35 <arex> that's what i was afraid of 23:52:46 <arex> not fun with almost 100 trains :p 23:55:18 *** iridium`nh [n=iridium@host-84-9-208-77.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:58:16 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca208.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"]