Log for #openttd on 15th June 2006:
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00:00:17  <Sacro> desperate enough to sleep with me? seems so
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00:04:32  <Sacro> <- dredged up after 1 year and 10 months :|
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00:08:47  <Sacro> back
00:09:21  <Brianetta> I've disabled the amazing Active Spam Killer on my flat's mail server in favour of something a little nastier (:
00:10:32  <Sacro> Brianetta: what are you using?
00:10:41  <Brianetta> Everything else/
00:10:42  <Brianetta> .
00:10:45  <Brianetta> At once.
00:11:23  <Brianetta> I have stricks RFC compliancy testing, greylisting, pattern matching, bayesian statistical analysis and a virus scanner.
00:11:46  <Brianetta> No longer will everybody who emails me get a challenge email.
00:12:01  <Sacro> hmm
00:12:02  <Brianetta> No longer will people who never sent me spam receive such challenges.
00:12:13  <Sacro> so i cant interest you in some free pills then?
00:12:15  <Brianetta> Now, all I pay is a small delay in getting my mail
00:12:21  <Sacro> or a conservatory?
00:12:27  <Brianetta> Sacro: Sure.  Email it to if you can.
00:12:39  <Sacro> Brianetta: but then itll get blocked
00:12:44  <Brianetta> Sure will.
00:13:37  <Sacro> and hence is a waste of my time
00:13:48  <Brianetta> Rather waste yours than mine.
00:14:00  <Brianetta> I'm practically spam-proof.
00:14:14  <Sacro> practically eh?
00:14:14  <Brianetta> Look, there goes another one
00:14:18  <Sacro> i need a spam filter
00:14:22  <Brianetta> (I'm watrching the log scroll by)
00:14:32  <Brianetta> Sacro: Which OS?
00:14:40  <Sacro> im thinking about setting up a web/mail server on my mums pc, however its windows xp, and i dont want her tokonw its there
00:14:51  <Sacro> Brianetta: gentoo
00:14:57  <Brianetta> Use SpamAssassin.
00:14:58  <Sacro> orudge's server
00:15:01  <Sacro> i think it has it
00:15:08  <Brianetta> Even better, go out and buy a Mac Mini
00:15:14  <Brianetta> use it as a domestic mail server
00:15:30  <Brianetta> PostFix comes as standard, and SPamAssassin loves it
00:15:37  <Sacro> hmmmm
00:15:39  <Brianetta> and it takes practically no space
00:15:45  <Brianetta> Under £400
00:15:50  <Sacro> :|
00:15:55  <Sacro> i only have about £30
00:16:03  <Brianetta> and it isn't so ugly or loud that your mum will insist on it not being in the living room
00:16:11  <Brianetta> Save up (:
00:16:13  <orudge> Indeed, it does, Sacro
00:16:19  <Brianetta> Seriously, it can double as an openttd game server
00:16:32  <Sacro> Brianetta: yeah, i know that, but i cant
00:16:51  <Brianetta> orudge: You use postfix?
00:16:57  <orudge> No, Spamassassin
00:17:13  <Brianetta> um
00:17:17  <orudge> exim is used on the ol' server
00:17:22  <orudge> (spamassassin is what Sacro was referring to)
00:17:43  <Brianetta> I never got on with exim
00:18:00  <Sacro> cries theres too many options
00:18:00  <Brianetta> I tried, really, but we didn't hit it off, and parted amicably
00:18:19  <Brianetta> I recently dumped sendmail for postfix, who is younger and prettier
00:18:39  <Brianetta> Sacro: What's your email address?
00:18:45  <Sacro>
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00:19:44  <Brianetta> That's handled by zernebok
00:19:51  <Sacro> orudge: complaint, spamassasin has too many options
00:19:54  <Sacro> Brianetta: yep
00:20:02  <Brianetta> So, what you need to do is
00:20:06  <Brianetta> use procmail
00:20:12  <Brianetta> to sort spam from ham
00:20:12  <Sacro> ah and i have boxtrapper too
00:20:34  <Brianetta> I'm kind of assuming that zernebok has procmail
00:21:20  <Brianetta> Do you use pop, Sacro?
00:21:34  <Sacro> i have no idea
00:21:36  <Sacro> no imap
00:21:40  <Brianetta> imap is good
00:21:45  <Brianetta> you have shell access?
00:21:46  <Sacro> if i was using pop id filter it in thunderbird
00:21:49  <Sacro> yep
00:21:52  <Brianetta> good
00:22:00  <Brianetta> orudge: You have procmail?
00:22:48  <Brianetta> Sacro: You try it
00:23:27  <Brianetta> procmail -v
00:23:27  <Brianetta> See what it says
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00:23:39  <Sacro> yeah
00:23:47  <Brianetta> Default rcfile?
00:23:51  <Sacro> v3.22
00:23:56  <Sacro> not sure
00:24:03  <Brianetta> Should be at the bottom of the blurb
00:24:03  <orudge> Yup, Brianetta
00:24:09  <Brianetta> orudge (:
00:24:40  <Brianetta> Sacro: Let's assume it's .procmailrc - I can't think why Owen would have changed it.
00:24:44  * orudge is off to bed, anyway
00:24:47  <Brianetta>
00:24:49  <Sacro> default rcfile $HOME/.procmailrc
00:24:50  <Brianetta> night, orudge
00:25:00  * Sacro cant open gedit on his server :(
00:25:04  <Brianetta> That URL is a .procmailrc file
00:25:11  <Brianetta> Sacro: Try pico
00:25:13  <Brianetta> or nano
00:25:25  <Sacro> ive got nano, its what i normally use
00:25:34  <Brianetta> Good.
00:25:37  <Sacro> and i can paste into the terminal
00:25:49  <Brianetta> That URL contains a file that will basically work.
00:26:06  <Brianetta> It will need minro changes
00:26:16  <Brianetta> almost-certainly-spam is a folder name
00:26:20  <Brianetta> as is probably-spam
00:26:34  <Brianetta> They need to exist already
00:26:41  <Brianetta> You can rename them if you want
00:26:58  <orudge> Oh, by the way
00:27:01  <Sacro> exist where? this is all looking complex :S
00:27:08  <orudge> It may be easier, and/or better, to just use the cPanel interface
00:27:13  <orudge> as I'm not sure if cPanel will have tweaked things
00:27:18  <Sacro> orudge: yeah maybe
00:27:19  <Brianetta> Sacro: Just create the folders in your imap cclient
00:27:36  <orudge> but basically, the spamassassin options in cPanel should be able to sort ham from spam into separate folders
00:27:55  <Brianetta> Never used cPanel
00:28:06  <orudge> specifically, the "spam box" option
00:28:19  <Brianetta> (:
00:28:33  <orudge> Just make sure you clear it out now and then, or your disk space will get eaten up ;)
00:28:37  <Brianetta> I use procmail to sort mail from various mailing lists to folders
00:28:38  <orudge> (at least, if you have a significant amount of spam)
00:29:46  * Brianetta expunges
00:29:48  <Sacro> hmm
00:29:52  <Brianetta> I love imap
00:30:11  <Brianetta> orudge: I can recommend SquirrelMail if you don't have webmail but want it.
00:30:13  <Sacro> yeah, me too, allows me to check emails on multiple systems, with portable thunderbird
00:30:20  <Sacro> Brianetta: its on there
00:30:23  <orudge> It's on there
00:30:26  <Brianetta> Neat (:
00:30:28  <orudge> along with Horde, which I personally prefer
00:30:30  <Brianetta> I have it on three servers now
00:30:35  <Sacro> yeah horde is there too
00:30:39  <orudge> (but then, I have my own, custom installation of Horde anyway)
00:30:41  <Sacro> but i cant remember how to access mine :(
00:30:45  <orudge> (very handy, particularly the calendar)
00:30:49  <orudge> Sacro:
00:30:54  <Sacro> orudge: do we have webdav?
00:30:59  <orudge> or port 2095
00:31:52  <orudge> No, no webdav I'm afraid
00:31:54  <Sacro> horde still doesnt work :(
00:32:11  <orudge> What does it say/do?
00:32:30  <Sacro> its showing emails for benwoodw, instead of
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00:32:38  <Sacro> soi only get the Welcome toZernebok message
00:32:54  <orudge> And you're logging in as ""?
00:32:55  <orudge> Hmm
00:32:57  <Sacro> yeah
00:33:05  <Sacro> hmm, theres a good few viagra sales going on
00:33:17  <orudge> And that's from /webmail, not from cPanel itself?
00:33:19  <orudge> Odd.
00:33:24  <Sacro> orudge: yep
00:33:40  <orudge> I'll maybe have another look into it tomorrow if you remind me
00:33:43  <Sacro> can i use the calender and stuff from squirrelmail with an external program like evolution or outlook?
00:33:58  <Sacro> orudge: thanks :) and ive given up with Ruby on Rails, im using cakephp now
00:33:58  <orudge> I have no idea how or where squrrelmail stores the calendar
00:34:04  <orudge> but you should be able to export it to iCalendar format
00:34:12  <Sacro> hmm, i was hoping to use evolution, or the firefox one
00:34:19  <orudge> Well
00:34:25  <orudge> iCalendar is the standard format
00:34:26  <Sacro> i didnt want to export/import, i wanted it seamless, like imap
00:34:30  <orudge> Well
00:34:37  <orudge> I'm not sure, I'd guess not
00:34:40  <Sacro> not squirrelmail, horde :P
00:35:00  <Brianetta> IMP looks cool, but javascripty
00:35:10  <orudge> What wrong with it being "javascripty"?
00:35:34  <orudge> Sacro: At the moment, no, but I think it'd be possible if I was to run a whatsit server
00:35:41  <orudge> I looked into it a while ago
00:35:45  <Brianetta> orudge: Browser support...
00:35:47  <Sacro> a whatsit server? sounds fun :)
00:35:56  * orudge forgot the name
00:35:58  <Sacro> like cheesy wotsit?
00:35:59  <Sacro> webdav?
00:36:03  <orudge> No
00:36:07  <orudge> Kolab
00:36:11  <orudge> I think was what I was looking into
00:36:13  <Brianetta> Novell OpenExchange Server
00:36:24  <Brianetta> Expensive, but exceedingly cool
00:36:36  <orudge> Brianetta: Hmm, well, it seems to work with the main browsers, anyway. For the most part, it doesn't use JavaScript for the main things anyway (ie, you can browse perfectly well without it)
00:36:40  <Sacro> Kolab? /me researches
00:36:50  <orudge>
00:37:07  <orudge> That was something I found a while ago that Horde claims to integrate with, anyway
00:37:11  <orudge> but I didn't get too far with it
00:37:36  <Sacro> orudge: yeah, wikipedia says it integrates with horde, along with Thunderbird and Outlook
00:37:44  <Sacro> ooh and Kontact
00:37:56  <orudge> It may have been Wikipedia I found it from ;)
00:38:02  <orudge> Anyway, I'm off to bed now, really
00:38:04  <orudge> Night night
00:38:08  <Sacro> night orudge
00:38:13  <orudge> (driving test tomorrow afternoon!)
00:38:23  <Brianetta> orudge: cool
00:38:41  <Sacro> orudge: good luck
00:38:42  <Brianetta> night
00:38:45  <Brianetta> have fun
00:38:52  <Brianetta> driving in the sunny weather
00:39:10  <Sacro> yeah, wish i had my motorbike
00:41:35  <Sacro> damn. im staying up waiting for a download to finsih, and i forgot to start it
00:41:57  <Brianetta> lol
00:42:01  <Brianetta> lolamongtastic
00:42:41  <Sacro> X3.iso :P
00:42:59  * Sacro wishes he had a pc that could run it :(
00:45:26  <orudge> Beware: Mae'r tegell yn rhy boeth.
00:45:28  <orudge> Night night, again.
00:45:56  <Sacro> orudge: dont threaten me in strange languages
00:52:12  <Brianetta> X3.iso?
00:52:21  * Brianetta beats Sacro to death with a slipper
00:52:36  <Sacro> a slipper eh
00:52:46  <Brianetta> You have no idea how hard I worked on that game
00:53:04  <Sacro> nah i aint got it, ill purchase it when i get some pc upgrades
00:53:17  <Sacro> i still need to complete X-Gold and X2
00:53:30  <Brianetta> Complete, lol
00:53:38  <Brianetta> BTF could be completed, I suppose
00:53:54  <Brianetta> I still play X2
00:53:59  <Sacro> thats true X didnt have an end
00:54:08  <Sacro> X2 is very nice, i havent been on it in ages through
00:54:30  <Sacro> my nice little money making factories
00:55:54  <Sacro> flying around hunting goners...
00:56:24  <Brianetta> Don't do that
00:56:31  <Sacro> :O X2 FOR LINUX :D
00:56:33  <Brianetta> There's no way to get your rating back up again
00:56:42  <Brianetta> X2 for Linux, yes
00:56:58  <Brianetta> IFF you have hardware drivers
00:57:14  <Sacro> errm...not sure about that
00:57:25  <Brianetta> I can't run it in Linux, I'm pretty certain
00:57:29  <Sacro> on desktop i have Nvidia drivers, and emu10k1 kernel drivers
00:57:37  <Brianetta> since my Radeon 9800 Pro only goes in 2D mode in Linux
00:57:49  <Sacro> this laptop i dont think will run it :( stupid sis graphics chipset
00:58:51  <Sacro> i bet itll only be online purchasing too :(
01:01:56  * Sacro wonders if it'll be GPL
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01:03:49  <Brianetta> lol
01:03:50  <Brianetta> no
01:03:54  <Sacro> thats a shame
01:04:02  <Sacro> i wonder if theres any more news on OpenGTA
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08:23:07  <peter1138> morning
08:27:21  <The-Moon> peter1138!
08:27:23  <The-Moon> Your here :D
08:27:32  <peter1138> i'm over, The-Moon
08:27:35  <The-Moon> ?
08:27:42  <The-Moon> your not leaving are you?
08:28:05  <The-Moon> UI need you to do something for me
08:28:12  <The-Moon> Its really, Really, REALLY important
08:28:45  <The-Moon> I want you to make a way, where you can put a Server_URL= ect... Into the Server ini file
08:29:04  <The-Moon> and then, when you contact a server and get to the main server window.... IE, start company, join company ect
08:29:13  <The-Moon> and make a button which opens the URL for that server
08:29:21  <The-Moon> You will make me extreamly happy if you do
08:29:43  <The-Moon> and im sure alot , ALOT of other peoples
08:30:01  <peter1138> how about you suggest it as a feature request at the appropriate place
08:30:13  <The-Moon> rich told me to ask you
08:30:33  <The-Moon> plus i dont feel like signing up for the openttd fourms....
08:30:35  <peter1138> and i gave my response
08:30:41  <The-Moon> where?
08:30:48  <peter1138> 4 lines ago
08:31:07  <peter1138> the appropriate place doesn't require signing up
08:31:09  <The-Moon> So then thats a yes, you are going to code it
08:31:15  <The-Moon> Gr8!
08:31:18  <The-Moon> Tell me when it gets done
08:31:56  <The-Moon> should only take you 10 - 20 minutes not even....
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08:34:44  * Tobin wonders if The-Moon is actually trying to be annoying
08:34:52  <The-Moon> Yes
08:34:54  <The-Moon> i am acctally
08:35:02  <The-Moon> i dont feel like going and posting in some website
08:35:09  <The-Moon> and then getting shot down by a bunch of jerkoffs
08:35:12  <The-Moon> like i ussally do
08:35:17  <The-Moon> Or ill get told to code it myself
08:35:21  <The-Moon> because everyones lazy
08:35:58  <The-Moon> Yeah, i have no idea what the OpenTTD code is, but im going to take time off my life, to learn that code. Just to add in a simple a feature....
08:36:11  <The-Moon> No offence to peter1138
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08:36:27  <The-Moon> Or anyone else here
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08:37:21  <The-Moon> Hey rich, we was just talking about you
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08:37:38  <RichK67_wrk> uhoh
08:37:38  <The-Moon> No im jk, your not that popular ;o)
08:37:58  <The-Moon> jk....
08:38:06  <The-Moon> playin wit ya
08:38:25  <The-Moon> Just not in the gay way :o|
08:38:37  <The-Moon> Wanted to make that clear
08:39:17  <RichK67_wrk> ooookay
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08:39:46  <The-Moon> .....
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08:40:49  <The-Moon> peter1138 said he wouldnt code it
08:40:54  <The-Moon> and told me to goto some forums
08:41:00  <The-Moon> but failed to give me a url
08:41:43  <peter1138> you didn't ask for it
08:41:48  <peter1138>
08:42:09  <The-Moon> oh
08:42:13  <The-Moon> is there a forum some wheres?
08:42:26  * [Shaman] points at topic
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08:44:52  <The-Moon> who do i asign this too? Or no one?
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08:57:02  <peter1138> don't assign it
08:57:18  <The-Moon> i didnt
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09:01:10  * Tobin sighs
09:01:31  <peter1138> Tobin: i know
09:01:37  <Tobin> Feature requests should not be given critical severity or immediate priority.
09:03:18  <Bjarni> hehe
09:03:26  <peter1138> The-Moon: do you actually believe it's highly important and should be in a bugfix release? or are you playing silly buggers?
09:03:50  <peter1138> well, i've changed the severity/priority and due values now ;p
09:04:07  <Tobin> An amusing example of request stupidity:
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09:04:45  <The-Moon> ?
09:04:46  <The-Moon> Yes
09:04:52  <peter1138> Tobin: hehe
09:04:55  <The-Moon> Its critical that it be implemented ASAP
09:05:09  <The-Moon> i cant run my server until it gets done
09:05:11  <The-Moon> this blows
09:05:18  <The-Moon> i wanna play, but no one can join
09:05:30  <The-Moon> its not a bug fix
09:05:34  <The-Moon> i posted as a new feature
09:05:43  <Tobin> That doesn't make it critical.
09:05:55  <The-Moon> Yeah it dose
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09:06:04  <The-Moon> me not being able to run a server, means theres a serious problem
09:06:37  <The-Moon> ummm
09:06:46  <The-Moon> where did my feature request go?
09:06:48  <Tobin> The-Moon: Look at the way other people handle it and do that.
09:06:54  <The-Moon> nm
09:07:02  <peter1138> it's there
09:07:03  <The-Moon> Im not putting a URL as the server name
09:07:16  <The-Moon> I want it to be called, The-Moons Server
09:07:30  <The-Moon> Not
09:07:37  <Tobin> Then put up.
09:07:38  <The-Moon> Okay?
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09:07:49  <Tobin> (... or shut up)
09:07:55  <Bjarni> about that OTTD URL server thing... write something to handle it yourself since I'm not going to do it :P
09:08:06  <The-Moon> ....
09:08:22  <The-Moon> As i said, jerk offs shooting my ideas down....
09:08:31  * The-Moon leaves....
09:08:34  <Tobin> It's not a terrible idea but you're being a dick about it.
09:08:43  <peter1138> exactly
09:08:50  <Bjarni> bascially it's due to 1: I don't know how to do it, 2: I don't have time to research how to do it
09:09:04  <Tobin> A general notes section would be better than a URL field, IMHO.
09:09:23  <Bjarni> nobody said that we can't have both
09:09:30  <Tobin> True.
09:09:45  <peter1138> it's actually easy enough to do, but it will not be in 0.4.8, because 0.4.8 is a bug fix release
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09:10:31  <Bjarni> I think he left for real
09:10:50  <Tobin> Heh, I've got him on ignore for now anyway.
09:12:18  <Bjarni> btw something funny happened at the office yesterday. One guy had to print a document in 2 copies (for two different people) and the computer/printer/printserver/whatever decided to save some paper, so it printed the first copy and then the other copy on the backside of the first one
09:12:25  <Bjarni> now that's useful :P
09:12:38  <peter1138> hehe
09:12:42  <Tobin> Teehee.
09:13:58  <Bjarni> I don't know what caused this issue, so I will blame windows
09:14:05  <Bjarni> it's usually right to do that anyway
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09:16:22  <Bjarni> that was a quick visit o_O
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09:27:37  <Tron> + /* approximate number of tiles by dividing by DIAG_FACTOR */
09:27:37  <Tron> + tfdd->best_length = length / 3;
09:27:43  <Tron> i really don't understand people
09:27:50  <Tron> there's a enum
09:27:56  <Tron> they mention the enum in the comment
09:28:03  <Tron> and use a magic number in the code
09:28:12  <Tron> i've seen this many many times
09:28:20  <Tron> i really don't understand why people do this
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09:30:41  <peter1138> where's that?
09:31:22  <Tron> not in the code, it's in bugs.
09:33:09  <Tron> any AmigaOS guy/gal here?
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09:36:05  <peter1138> ah
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09:56:13  <Ihmemies> how to make oil drop and goods pickup from oil ref? does the ref need to be next to ocean?
09:57:17  <RichK67_wrk> no, but only certain squares of the oil refinery accept oil - so you have to make sure your station footprint includes the accepting square
09:59:39  <Tobin> Don't oil refineries still need to be placed near the edge of the map though?
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10:01:18  <Ihmemies> can be positioned only near edges of map..
10:01:20  <Ihmemies> damn
10:01:32  <Ihmemies> how i'm sposed to make goods pickup and oil drop then?
10:01:58  <Ihmemies> make one humungous 24-line station instead of 2x12?
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10:02:09  <hylje> :o?
10:03:39  <Ihmemies>
10:03:47  <Ihmemies> don't i need something like that for oil ref too.. ? :o
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10:04:13  <peter1138> no
10:04:18  <peter1138> i tend to make do with 2 or 3 platforms...
10:04:29  <Ihmemies> :S
10:04:39  <Ihmemies> so i just make one big station then
10:05:07  <peter1138> why can't you build either side of it?
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10:06:08  <Ihmemies> ocean?
10:06:21  <peter1138> terraform?
10:06:23  <Tobin> Raise the land out of the sea. :)
10:06:58  <Tobin> If/when TGP gets into trunk it'd be nice to be able to place rigs near inland seas.
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10:09:52  <Ihmemies> duh,
10:09:54  <Ihmemies> see, ? :D
10:10:01  <Ihmemies> gotta make it 1-sided
10:10:28  <peter1138> that's a lot of very short platforms...
10:10:31  <peter1138> however
10:10:40  <peter1138> you could build in the direction
10:10:51  <peter1138> although the lighthouse is a problem, he
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10:11:23  <Tobin> Bloody stupid FedEx. I'm going to the USA on Sunday and a package I ordered from the USA will get here Monday. :/
10:11:45  <Ihmemies> yeah
10:11:49  <Ihmemies> we use 3-title platforms.
10:12:01  <Tobin> Is this a coop thing?
10:12:34  <Ihmemies> yes
10:13:47  <Tobin> Maybe one of the co-op people could help? I'm sure they've dealt with this kind of thing before.
10:14:02  <peter1138> it seems obvious what to do, for me
10:14:04  <Tobin> These giant construction projects bother me. :P
10:14:13  <peter1138> Ihmemies: do you only use templates or something?
10:14:27  <peter1138> are you unable to actually think about what you need to put down? :P
10:14:34  <Ihmemies> yes.
10:14:34  <peter1138> Tobin: yeah
10:14:38  <Ihmemies> i just copypaste!
10:14:43  <peter1138> o_O
10:14:47  <Tobin> Hehe.
10:14:49  <peter1138> what's the point? :P
10:15:00  <Tobin> Wait, I think we're close to solving the problem then.
10:15:11  <Tobin> And the solution is.....
10:15:12  <peter1138> if i really wanted 3 long platforms (urgh!)
10:15:18  <Tobin> *drumroll*
10:15:23  <peter1138> an airport ;)
10:15:27  <Tobin> ... dont just copy and paste. ;-)
10:15:54  <Ihmemies> why not :(
10:16:02  <peter1138> Ihmemies: first, stations don't have to touch the industry. you knew that, right?
10:16:10  <Ihmemies> yeah, but..
10:16:21  <Tobin> I'm just kidding, if copy and paste is fun go right ahead.
10:16:41  <peter1138> build two long stations either side of the refinery
10:16:55  <peter1138> away from the ocean
10:17:27  <peter1138> then at the ends farthest away, build your strange 3 long multiple platform areas as part of the two existing station
10:17:30  <peter1138> +s
10:17:37  <peter1138> then connect the rail up as necessary
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10:18:01  <peter1138> you'll have to put curves in the distribution junctions though
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10:18:43  <Ihmemies> why 3 long stations are strange? ;)
10:18:54  <Ihmemies> and it's not my decision! it's what i got when i joined the game
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10:19:08  <peter1138> because you need a lot of trains which don't carry much freight
10:19:10  <peter1138> == less profit
10:19:51  <peter1138> otoh, loading times and ratings are probably quite good
10:20:48  <Ihmemies> maybe that was the idea behind it :P
10:22:34  <peter1138> it's boring and tedious though
10:23:16  <peter1138> you could transport the oil by ship :)
10:23:31  <peter1138> only one dock needed to service it
10:26:11  <Ihmemies> i don't think they like other means of transport than trains ;)
10:28:44  <Trenskow> theres a problem with the sign up script on the flyspray
10:29:40  <Trenskow> Notice: Undefined variable: register_text in /www/ on line 607
10:29:41  <Trenskow> Notice: Undefined index: project_title in /www/ on line 607
10:29:41  <Trenskow> Notice: Undefined index: flyspray_userid in /www/ on line 264
10:30:23  <Trenskow> but i got the notice email
10:30:34  <Trenskow> sorry for spamming :S
10:31:11  <Ihmemies> this copypasting business is also safer than random building!
10:32:55  <Ihmemies> i saw one game of random building, and it was like fixing other's work all the time because previous stations sucked ... were slow, caused jams etc :|
10:33:27  <Ihmemies> and of course i've tried to build differently, but it simply results that others rebuild it like that :F
10:33:28  <Ihmemies> so..
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10:59:53  <Bjarni> <Tron>	any AmigaOS guy/gal here? <-- a long time ago we added some AmigaOS support from a patch from sourceforge. The reason why we added it was that it created issues with MorphOS and we fixed those. We never really got AmigaOS to work as the patchwriter left
11:00:04  <Bjarni> so we never really got true AmigaOS support
11:00:36  <Tron> hmhm
11:00:39  <Bjarni> we figured that somebody would show up to complete the rest, but maybe it just works so nobody bothers
11:00:47  <Tron> i doubt it does
11:01:04  <Tron> at least ending a multiplayer session should cause nasty things to happen
11:01:06  <Bjarni> somehow I don't think it works either
11:01:20  <Tron>       if (TimerBase)    { CloseDevice((struct IORequest *) TimerRequest); }
11:01:23  <Tron> this line smells
11:01:36  <Tron> check for Base -> close Request
11:02:31  <Bjarni> well, the main reason for adding it was to avoid a new patchwriter to break MorphOS and getting that patch committed by a developer, who didn't know that those OSes got some common flags defined
11:03:00  <Bjarni> to tell the truth, I don't really care for that OS unless somebody shows up and makes some serious work to it
11:03:52  <Trenskow> Bjarni, are you experienced in gui ?
11:04:20  <Trenskow> ottd gui that is
11:04:22  <Bjarni> actually I don't think we ever committed the changes to the Makefile (AMIGAOS flag and so on) because it was written really poorly
11:04:23  <Trenskow> :)
11:04:36  <Bjarni> Trenskow: well, I did make the autoreplace GUI
11:04:47  <Trenskow> ok... then maybe you can help :)
11:05:01  <Bjarni> if I can remember it... I did it more than a year ago
11:05:16  <Trenskow> if you got the WDF_UNCLICK_BUTTONS flag on a window
11:05:30  <Trenskow> is there someway to make a button not auto unclick ?
11:05:46  <Bjarni> I have no idea :P
11:05:46  <Trenskow> there is one button, that i would like to control the click_state of
11:05:53  <Trenskow> damn
11:05:54  <Trenskow> :S
11:06:15  <Bjarni> WDF_UNCLICK_BUTTONS <-- I never used that flag and I can't remember reading about it
11:07:00  <Trenskow> Bjarni, it is being used on the WC_NETWORK_WINDOW
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11:47:22  <valhalla`passed> now for the english people ;)
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11:55:12  <Sacro> afternoon all
11:55:28  <valhalla`passed> 'lo Sacro
11:55:47  <Sacro> lo valhalla`passed,  what have you passed?
11:58:18  <valhalla`passed> my final exams :P
12:04:44  <Ihmemies> copy paste copy paste!
12:05:05  <hylje> copy paste exams
12:05:54  <valhalla`passed> :/
12:05:56  <valhalla`passed>
12:05:58  <valhalla`passed> have fun
12:09:04  <The-Moon> RichK67_wrk you there
12:12:53  <Sacro> hmmm
12:16:49  <RichK67_wrk> back
12:17:01  <Sacro> front
12:17:06  <RichK67_wrk> mmm... beef goulash :)
12:25:12  <Xaroth_> another dutchie :o
12:25:30  <Sacro> RichK67_wrk: isnt dutch is he?
12:25:48  <Sacro> or are we talking about "dutchies"
12:25:50  <RichK67_wrk> thats right.... i isnt dutch ;)
12:26:09  <Xaroth_> no,valhal is :P
12:26:14  <Xaroth_> dutch exams :P
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12:27:13  <blathijs> valhalla`passed: gefeliciteerd :-)
12:29:07  <RichK67_wrk> The-Moon: ping
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12:34:23  <valhalla`passed> thx blathijs :)
12:35:59  <Xaroth_> which exam? vmbo/havo/vwo?
12:36:05  <Xaroth_> or something more.. funky
12:36:52  <valhalla`passed> gymnasium ^_^
12:37:33  <Xaroth_> nice, grats
12:37:34  <TrueLight> gefeliciflapstaart valhalla`passed ;)
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12:42:38  <Xaroth_> you guys heared of button's F1 accident?
12:42:44  <Xaroth_>
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12:43:39  <Hagbard_Ub> fint ut
12:43:48  <RichK67_wrk> at least there was an escape ;)
12:44:05  <Xaroth> yar
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12:45:41  <hylje> Xaroth: thats so lame
12:45:42  <hylje> :D
12:45:47  <Xaroth> :P
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12:46:12  <wH1spEr> hi all
12:46:19  * valhalla`passed doet een dansje met TrueLight :)
12:46:38  * Xaroth puts up YMCA for valhalla`passed to dance on
12:47:03  <valhalla`passed> :|
12:47:07  <Xaroth> lol
12:47:12  <hylje> thats really enthusiastic
12:47:13  <hylje> :o
12:47:20  <Xaroth> heh
12:47:59  <blathijs> Xaroth: what exactly is funny about that? Are people supposed to read "Formula 1" there?
12:48:19  * Xaroth sighs.
12:48:23  <Xaroth> party pooper :p
12:48:31  <Xaroth> a lot of people -do- think that :P
12:52:31  <blathijs> Hmm, apparently my nerdness is too much :-)
12:52:55  <Xaroth> yeh
12:57:42  <vondel> formula 1 fans are also a kind of nerd
12:57:49  <vondel> just a different kind
12:57:58  <vondel> apply patch of that diff to fix ;)
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13:01:32  <peter1138> that keyboard is disgusting
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13:02:27  <The-Moon> Hey guys, how do i turn on teh cheat, which lets me delet industrys?
13:02:33  <The-Moon> im in single player mode :)
13:03:28  <Belugas> ctrl+alt+c (on windows)
13:04:21  <The-Moon> Thanks :D
13:13:04  <Xaroth> control alt win c
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13:53:40  <TrueLight> For your information, I emailed the owner of CIA to ask what is going on
13:54:44  <peter1138> oh?
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13:55:05  <hylje> "well we dont know WTF its doing, maybe it acquired self-awareness"
13:55:20  <TrueLight> I can also enable jmp_ghli to spit out CIA like stuff in this channel
13:55:23  <TrueLight> but okay, that is cheap
13:55:48  <hylje> fake commits?
13:55:53  <TrueLight> ?
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13:59:47  <Darkvater> oi
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13:59:52  <TrueLight> hi Darkvater
14:00:00  <wH1spEr> buzz
14:00:04  <wH1spEr> opus, sry, not here
14:00:13  <hylje> *BZZT*
14:00:33  <Darkvater> ey
14:00:43  <Darkvater> anyone watching cr vs eq?
14:01:37  <peter1138> Cubic Rhubarb Visual Studio Elephant Queues
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14:02:30  <Darkvater> woow, nice
14:02:34  <Darkvater> so what's the score? :)
14:02:54  <RichK67_wrk> ecu 1 - cos 0
14:03:18  <Darkvater> hmm..
14:03:19  <glx> RichK67_wrk: you're watching tv at work?
14:03:24  * Darkvater goes home to catch the second half
14:03:43  <RichK67_wrk> nope - bbc website has text update
14:03:52  <RichK67_wrk>
14:04:08  <Darkvater> we got a mail at work (Shell) about soccer. In Dutch the mail said you can watch games occasionally, the English translation said you are prohibited of watching any football during work-hours
14:04:23  <Darkvater> the question is: did I read the Dutch or the English mail?
14:04:43  <RichK67_wrk> ah - so it doesnt prohibit listening ;)
14:05:41  <Darkvater> :)
14:06:33  * peter1138 prohibits listening
14:06:41  <peter1138> get on with some ottd work instead ;p
14:06:46  <Darkvater> :O
14:07:06  <Darkvater> well well well. The little timid boy has grown up to be such a tyrant
14:07:09  <Darkvater> who would've thought
14:07:11  <Darkvater> <off
14:07:40  <RichK67_wrk> DV: about NewAirports - does it need to have a savegame bump for trunk? (definitely when part of release)   and if so, how about commiting this weekend
14:07:45  <RichK67_wrk> or earlier
14:08:33  <peter1138> little timid boy...
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14:11:22  <hylje> ZOMGZOMGZOMG
14:11:33  <hylje> there's AN ERROR in the FINNISH TRANSLATION
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14:13:56  <peter1138> well fix it?
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14:15:30  <Sacro> hmm, think this router is working fine...
14:16:31  <Sacro> got sent here with a new router, to install and commision it, get here, and someones beaten me to it! stupid forgetful landlord
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14:44:55  <Sacro> ho hum
14:49:27  <Brianetta> hum ho
14:50:02  <Brianetta> The entire organisation's internet is currently being routed through a domestic ADSL router that we normally use to provide free internet to the teenagers
14:50:44  <hylje> how large is this organisation
14:52:16  <Sacro> its Brianetta and a can of beer
14:53:04  <hylje> oh
14:53:05  <hylje> k
14:53:36  <RichK67_wrk> quick question: i know you can place track above a tunnel, and (straight) track beneath a bridge; but can you have a layer of tunnel/rail/bridge??
14:54:34  <hylje> try
14:54:39  <Sacro> RichK67_wrk: ill try
14:54:44  <RichK67_wrk> im at work -  cant
14:56:30  <Sacro> RichK67_wrk: yes, but the bridge and the straight track have to be perpendicular
14:56:54  <Belugas> RichK67_wrk : they don't let you play at work???  Change company :)
14:57:02  <Tron> RichK67_wrk: tunnels don't exists
14:57:11  <Tron> s/s$//
14:57:16  <Brianetta> This orgnisation is 500 people
14:57:21  <Sacro> there is no tunnel
14:57:54  <Tron> so you can have any number of tunnels (well, 15, then you run out of height levels) below any kind of tile
14:58:14  <Sacro> nice
14:58:27  <Sacro> gtg
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14:59:19  <RichK67_wrk> cool
15:00:43  <RichK67_wrk> Tron: have you taken a look at the latest TGP in the branch??? looking great, and now 2048x2048 in ~8secs  (my routine uses two map generations; KUDr's only one, hence his being quicker)
15:00:56  <hylje> why tw
15:00:57  <hylje> o
15:01:05  <Tron> no, i haven't
15:01:16  <RichK67_wrk> checkout the branch :)
15:03:02  <RichK67_wrk> why two?  i use the second as a "reinforcing" layer to help bias mountain and hilly to higher levels, without losing the sea levels... just doing a transform on the single layer raises the shorelines too much; gives it more variety of terrain
15:03:10  <Tron> 8 secs for the map? not counting placement of stuff (industries, towns, etc.)?
15:03:18  <RichK67_wrk> yeah
15:03:33  <RichK67_wrk> towns & industries still old, still > 1 minute :(
15:03:41  <Tron> how many octaves do you use?
15:04:29  <RichK67_wrk> still 6, but the lower ones 5+ are a bit irrelevant - you can see how little they contribute if you look at the _perlin_p_value_powers table
15:05:04  <RichK67_wrk> biggest speed gain was dumping the pow() function... instant 300% speed increase :)
15:08:45  <Tron> hm, pretty good. my cheap perlin hack does 6 octaves in about 4 seconds (on an Athlon XP 2000+), but it doesn't nearly have the bells and whistles
15:09:30  <RichK67_wrk> if i disable the second layer, mine drops to about 4.5-5 secs, but i think the second layer really improves it
15:10:02  <Tron> how many points does the first octave have?
15:10:16  <Brianetta> 15 minutes to re-draw an X window
15:10:32  <Tron> period length is a fixed number of tiles or scales with the map size?
15:10:39  <Brianetta> I have a good mind to re-route the web proxy to outer space
15:10:50  <Brianetta> That'll spare me some bandwidth
15:11:06  <Brianetta> 512kbps averages at 1kbps per member of staff
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15:11:50  <RichK67_wrk> tron: not sure; i think the period is effectively fixed - it certainly doesnt scale to the map
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15:13:40  <RichK67_wrk> as for the octaves; i dont think the octaves have points; its one point per X&Y AFAIK. its only when you view it across a varying X (or Y) that it gains the appearance of oscillation
15:14:56  <RichK67_wrk> brianetta: you may have to block the BBC website by about 16:45 - they are webcasting the match!
15:15:09  <Brianetta> RichK67_wrk: Good idea
15:15:43  <RichK67_wrk> or just be really selective and block the video stream (and url)
15:16:32  <Brianetta> Just checking the state of the proxy server
15:16:51  * Brianetta installs iptraf
15:19:53  <Brianetta> Nobody's using it
15:20:08  <RichK67_wrk> yet ;)
15:20:40  <Brianetta> When they do, I don' tthink I can be arsed reconfiguring the squid server with an ACL to deny access to the BBC, which I'll only have to undo
15:20:53  <Brianetta> I'll just add a prohibited route
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15:32:43  <Brianetta> Looks like I'll need three prohibited routes
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15:32:54  <Brianetta> Oooh, see how resolves
15:32:57  <Brianetta> It's ugly
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16:35:42  <Ihmemies> sigh
16:35:48  <Ihmemies> coop's 2 rail circles aren't enough
16:35:54  <Ihmemies> 4 rail interconnects are ok.. but.. bah
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16:46:01  <hylje> :<
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17:14:31  <Ihmemies> 416 trains!
17:17:41  <Sacro> ?
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17:26:53  <Ihmemies> in coop server :/
17:26:55  <Ihmemies> and it's stuttering
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17:29:08  <Sacro> hehe, tell Brianetta
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18:11:43  <GoneWacko> har har
18:11:43  * GoneWacko notices a comment @ posted by Darkvater :o
18:13:29  <anboni> rated -1 (onzin)? :)
18:14:27  <GoneWacko> 1 (dubbelpost) :p
18:14:31  <anboni> hahaha
18:14:42  <hylje> :o
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19:00:30  <TrueLight> Why is nobody jumping up and down that CIA-14 is back? :p
19:00:42  * lws1984 jumps up and down
19:00:43  <lws1984> :p
19:00:56  <TrueLight> tnx :)
19:01:06  *** mode/#openttd [+v lws1984] by ChanServ
19:01:06  <TrueLight> There you go :)
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19:01:40  * lws1984 thanks you all
19:01:44  <lws1984> woo, that's two channels
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19:23:04  <TrueLight> who in here knows a thing or two about shm?
19:24:24  <Belugas> don't even know what it stands for :(
19:24:52  <TrueLight> Shared Memory shit :)
19:25:29  <Belugas> hem...
19:25:31  <Belugas> rings a bell
19:25:45  <Belugas> pipe...
19:25:52  <Belugas> pool
19:25:52  <gradator> /proc/sys/kernel/shm* :)
19:25:53  <TrueLight> I only wonder how it works
19:25:59  <TrueLight> and how long a sessions stays active
19:26:04  <TrueLight> gradator: now that rings a bell here...
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19:43:26  <Eddi|zuHause> narf... 5.37KB/s ... this is getting rediculous
19:45:05  <eleusis> shm 'sessions'?
19:46:03  <eleusis> TrueLight: ^
19:46:18  <TrueLight> eleusis: yeah, or how ever you want to call them
19:46:52  <TrueLight> eleusis: I assumed something needs to stayed hooked to the memory, else it would be free'd, but that doesn't seem to be the case... just I can't find details about the process
19:46:56  <eleusis> maybe until all processes detach from it? :P
19:47:04  <eleusis> oh
19:47:05  <TrueLight> yeah, all processes are detached from it
19:47:51  <eleusis> yeah that's right.. there's a util to remove unused segments, i think..
19:48:17  <TrueLight> I keep a server running, and when it shuts down, it marks the segment to be removed
19:48:22  <TrueLight> that will work just fine I guess
19:49:15  <eleusis> what are you doing? :)
19:50:01  <TrueLight> eleusis: I am writing a webbased application, but as you might know it is pretty annoying that a server-session is closed when the client is done with his request, and with that you have the reinitialize the data every time...
19:50:06  <TrueLight> shm will solve that problem for me just fine :)
19:50:31  <TrueLight> will boost the performance with a factor 10 to 20
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19:51:42  <eleusis> a webapp that uses shm? o_O
19:51:59  <TrueLight> eleusis: welcome to Web 2.0
19:52:04  <eleusis> rofl
19:52:14  <TrueLight> I am pretty serious :)
19:52:58  <eleusis> ok :D
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19:57:35  <eleusis> TrueLight: what happens if there are too many clients?
19:57:42  <hylje> then the server dies
19:57:45  <TrueLight> eleusis: define too many :p
19:57:55  <TrueLight> of course you can trottle that in all kinds of ways
19:58:03  <TrueLight> but a single client uses something like 10kb of memory
19:58:09  <TrueLight> so I guess you really need A LOT of clients
19:58:09  <eleusis> iirc, there's a limit on the number of shm segments you can have, right?
19:58:21  <TrueLight> there is
19:58:27  <TrueLight> it goes per pagesize
19:58:32  <eleusis> mhm
19:58:33  <TrueLight> and I assume there is at least 10MB of data
19:58:38  <TrueLight> that makes 1000 clients
19:58:43  <TrueLight> I guess that won't ever happen :p
19:58:47  <eleusis> ok :)
19:58:47  <TrueLight> if it does, it needs an other system :)
19:59:07  <eleusis> what are you writing this webapp in? C?
19:59:15  <TrueLight> eleusis: then we make tcp/ip connection between daemon and client ;)
19:59:16  <TrueLight> Mostly C
19:59:18  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i need a router software that can give bandwidth priorities (to users, computers, or single connections)
19:59:21  <eleusis> mhm
19:59:22  <TrueLight> partly in any script GPMI supports :p
19:59:34  <Eddi|zuHause> nobody here happens to know such a thing?
19:59:48  <eleusis> Eddi|zuHause: nope..
19:59:48  <Eddi|zuHause> (preferably for windows ;))
19:59:49  <anboni> Eddi|zuHause, should it run on dedicated hardware? (p2 or better)?
20:00:28  <eleusis> he said windows, maybe he wants a desktop app :P
20:00:55  <anboni> never heard of anything that advanced for windows :)
20:00:58  <Eddi|zuHause> my current router software is wingate 4.something and runs on some 600MHz machine that is not used for much else
20:01:01  <eleusis> :D
20:01:09  <TrueLight> Eddi|zuHause: bad choice :p
20:01:16  <TrueLight> take FreeSCO, runs even on a 486 :p
20:01:18  <eleusis> on linux, you could try tweaking the routing queues..
20:01:19  <Eddi|zuHause> well... it works ;)
20:01:28  <anboni> if you can afford to have it do nothing else instead of 'not much else'... Astaro is for you :)
20:02:01  <eleusis> TrueLight: what is GPMI?
20:02:04  <Eddi|zuHause> well... "not much else" is basically my mother playing freecell or my brother browsing
20:02:12  <anboni> bummer
20:02:13  <TrueLight> eleusis: a piece of software Igor2Code and I designed in the last 2 years
20:02:20  <TrueLight> it is General Module and Package Interface
20:02:21  <eleusis> :o
20:02:32  <TrueLight> it handles packages and modules in a good way (plugin system, small (25k))
20:02:34  <eleusis> libgpmi on
20:02:41  <eleusis> ah
20:02:47  <TrueLight> and it allows scripts to work as modules (ruby, tcl, lua, perl, .... the list is getting long)
20:02:49  <TrueLight> libgpmi on yes
20:03:07  <TrueLight> so very useful for webapps
20:03:13  <TrueLight> most part is done in C, to make it fast and stable
20:03:18  <TrueLight> the non-default stuff is done in scripts
20:03:21  <eleusis> interesting.. so you can even combine modules written in different scripts/languages?
20:03:24  <TrueLight> making it compatbiel and useful :)
20:03:29  <TrueLight> in theory, yes
20:03:31  <eleusis> nic
20:03:31  <eleusis> e
20:03:36  <TrueLight> sadly some scripts give problems
20:03:42  <eleusis> heh
20:03:49  <TrueLight> (some have REALLY bad embed parts.. take PHP, just impossible)
20:03:58  <TrueLight> Perl leaks 1M per session :s
20:04:03  <eleusis> :D
20:04:03  <hylje> :X
20:04:06  <glx> TrueLight: impossible with gcc :)
20:05:02  <glx> and perl doesn't work for win32 version
20:05:27  <TrueLight> but okay, eleusis, I like the software very much, so I use it for everything :) I never have to make the same code twice again, I just make it a package once, and canuse it for any application I want/like
20:05:44  <eleusis> serious reuse
20:05:49  <hylje> sts
20:05:55  <TrueLight> just windows support is a bit less
20:06:02  <TrueLight> and Bjarni once worked on OSX, but that stopped too :p
20:06:32  <glx> he the base packages work on windows :)
20:06:33  <Bjarni> o_O
20:06:45  <TrueLight> glx: you are doing your best, I know :)
20:06:53  <Bjarni> 	<TrueLight>	and Bjarni once worked on OSX, but that stopped too :p <--- wtf are you talking about?
20:06:59  <TrueLight> Bjarni: GPMI, what else
20:07:03  <Bjarni> ahh
20:07:11  <Bjarni> I never stopped
20:07:16  <Bjarni> I'm taking a break :P
20:07:19  <TrueLight> you just never continued :p
20:07:20  <Zavior> Just slowed down considerably?
20:07:22  <Zavior> :P
20:07:41  <eleusis> ran out of modules to code
20:08:07  <eleusis> openttd has been taking away all my coding time lately
20:08:16  <TrueLight> hehe
20:08:18  <TrueLight> been there, done that
20:08:23  <eleusis> :D
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20:52:27  <Belugas_Gone> good night
20:53:05  <TrueLight> night Belugas_Gone
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20:54:59  <TL|Away> yeah, me out too, night all
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21:34:39  <hylje> how does your svn update the website, i assume it got a post-commit hook for that?
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21:34:54  <hylje> if so, i got a use for such a script :>
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21:42:29  <Rubidium> hylje: too lame to code it yourself? <- easiest way is to do a checkout in your www directory, say $CDIR and let the (post)commit hook script do 'cd $CDIR && svn up'
21:43:50  <hylje> yeah im lame
21:43:50  <hylje> :P
21:44:05  <hylje> (and i'd rather not go and invent the wheel yet again)
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22:41:22  <Sacro> hmmm, does OpenTTD need a port open for finding network games?
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22:42:00  <[Shaman]> eh, maybe for broadcasted lan games?
22:42:44  <Sacro> [Shaman]: no, for internet
22:42:52  <Sacro> its the first time ive had my own router
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22:43:53  <glx> yes the usual port
22:44:47  <glx> hmm wait, not needed for a client
22:44:47  <Sacro> glx: 3979? for looking for games?
22:44:57  <Sacro> glx: yeah, its a client, i didnt think i needed one
22:45:28  <glx> I misread :)
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22:49:03  <Sacro> hm
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22:55:34  <[KrusheR]> wassup
22:55:45  <[Shaman]> the sky.
22:55:55  <lws1984> le ceiling.
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23:00:29  <Sacro> grr, cannae get wifi working
23:00:38  <Sacro> and Brianettas nightly is sooo quiet
23:02:21  <Sacro> hmm, /me considers /ping #openttd
23:03:23  <lws1984> bad idea
23:03:45  * lws1984 does it anyway
23:03:45  <lws1984> :p
23:04:15  <glx> seen :)
23:04:18  <tokai|mdlx> u think this is funny?
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23:04:44  <Sacro> i never saw owt
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23:22:00  <Born_Acorn> lws1984 has upset various people.
23:22:14  <Born_Acorn> I vote we burn him at the stake CIA-14 set up.
23:22:23  <lws1984> heh?
23:22:30  <lws1984> who have I upset?
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23:24:01  <Born_Acorn> I think the dood up there.
23:24:09  <lws1984> fine
23:24:13  * lws1984 dashes off
23:24:50  <Sacro> Born_Acorn: ping flood him?
23:24:59  <lws1984> uhoh
23:25:54  <Sacro> hmm, my laptop appears to be and at the same time
23:26:17  <Born_Acorn> Lets hax Sacro!
23:26:27  <Born_Acorn> he has given us his two IP adresses!
23:26:44  <lws1984> aye
23:26:54  * lws1984 uses his 1337 POWAHS
23:26:56  <Sacro> Born_Acorn: oh and theres also
23:27:03  <tank_> Sacro: sorry, but i think he's schizophrenic:)
23:27:14  <Sacro> tank_: who?
23:27:21  <tank_> your laptop
23:27:27  <Sacro> tank_: yeah...
23:27:37  <Sacro> its connected on wifi and ethernet to the router...
23:27:52  <tank_> ah
23:28:08  * Sacro hugs his new shiny router
23:28:58  * Born_Acorn routes it
23:29:06  <Born_Acorn> through a wall
23:29:12  <Born_Acorn> 's ice cream
23:29:18  <Born_Acorn> on fire
23:29:29  <Born_Acorn> It could go on forever.
23:29:39  <Sacro> nooo, burgeses
23:29:41  <Sacro> so much nicer
23:29:53  <Born_Acorn> but Walls make sausages too.
23:30:16  <Born_Acorn> You cannot beat a company that makes Ice Creams and sausages. It is scientifically impossible.
23:30:19  <Sacro> the same walls?
23:30:32  <Born_Acorn> Why yes.
23:30:44  <Sacro> hm
23:30:49  <Sacro> didnt know that
23:31:55  <Born_Acorn> Now you know how physically impossible it is to beat.
23:32:06  <Sacro> yeah, thats true :(
23:32:17  <Sacro> unless i set up an ice cream sausage and bacon company
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23:32:24  <Sacro> now the danes make nice bacon...
23:32:30  <Born_Acorn> You expect ice creams, and then WHAM.  They hit you with sausages when you least expect it.
23:32:51  <Sacro> i can imagine that being quite surprising
23:32:56  <Eddi|zuHause2> wow... heavy thunderstrom outside
23:33:21  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: not outside my window
23:33:23  <Born_Acorn> No, thats the giant turkey on its way to eat the orphanage.
23:35:43  <Sacro> Born_Acorn: ahhh
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23:36:25  <[Shaman]> isn't CIA-14 supposed to be spamming svn updates or summat? :o
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23:38:54  <Born_Acorn> There might be no SVN updates to spam.
23:39:26  <Born_Acorn> or the illegal immigrant warehouse that runs CIA-14 was the orphanage the giant turkey just went to eat.
23:39:28  <Sacro> hence we have Born_Acorn  :)
23:39:54  <Born_Acorn> I am a ghoooooost.
23:40:13  <[Shaman]> Born_Acorn: Then do something about it! :P
23:40:33  <Born_Acorn> The next shipment of illegal immigrants is not until next week.
23:40:42  <lws1984> lol
23:41:10  <Born_Acorn> This weeks shipment got lost in parliament, where they worked as cleaners.
23:41:22  <lws1984> lol
23:41:30  <lws1984> did they take out the trash?
23:41:54  <Born_Acorn> Yes. Parliament was empty.
23:42:00  <lws1984> lol
23:42:01  <lws1984> good good
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23:43:26  <Eddi|zuHause2> grr... sattelite tv sucks during bad weather :p
23:44:10  <Sacro> lol
23:44:54  <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: well, last week we must have had a magnetic storm or something
23:45:08  <Bjarni> I lost my TV signal
23:45:24  <Bjarni> it disappeared into noise
23:45:38  <Bjarni> all channels, so it was not a transmitter error
23:45:53  <Bjarni> I refuse to believe that all transmitters failed at the same time ;)
23:46:11  <Sacro> hmm
23:46:23  <Sacro> das evil bill is stepping down i see
23:46:38  <Bjarni> when I regained the signal, it was not worth watching as about half of the frames died in transmission... the same goes for the sound
23:47:22  <Bjarni> I guess it was related to the abnormally high ultra violet beam level from the sun
23:47:44  <lws1984> Sacro: aye ,tis good news
23:48:01  <Sacro> lws1984: it? how mcuh input does he have nowadays/
23:48:13  <lws1984> not much, i don't think
23:48:16  <Bjarni> this is a bit funny. We got the physical laws described so we know what goes on, but we can do nothing to prevent it from happening :P
23:48:20  <lws1984> he's really kinda symbolic
23:48:26  <lws1984> but he's a symbol of evil
23:48:30  <lws1984> so it's still good :)
23:48:36  <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2>	wow... heavy thunderstrom outside <-- where are you in Germany?
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23:49:16  <Bjarni> ...
23:49:21  <Bjarni> [01:48] 	<Bjarni>	<Eddi|zuHause2> wow... heavy thunderstrom outside <-- where are you in Germany?
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23:49:58  <Eddi|zuHause> i correct my last statement... power supply sucks during bad weather :p
23:50:10  <Eddi|zuHause> i am near Halle (Saale)
23:50:29  <Eddi|zuHause> we call that "central germany"
23:51:13  <Bjarni> ahh, near Leipzig
23:51:19  <Eddi|zuHause> yes
23:51:56  <Bjarni> I just looked up Germany in my Atlas and for some reason it was the first town name that I read
23:52:35  <Sacro> germany...due east from here i belive
23:53:08  <Bjarni> Sacro: well, that depends on your location ;)
23:54:08  <Sacro> Bjarni: due west of germany :P
23:54:17  <Bjarni> It appears that London is due west of Eddi|zuHause
23:54:21  * lws1984 is west of Germany also
23:54:58  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, london is almost the same degree (north)
23:55:12  <Bjarni> actually... central Germany... I heard of East and West Germany, but central....
23:55:17  <Bjarni> did you build walls as well?
23:55:19  <Bjarni> :P
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23:55:41  <Eddi|zuHause> well... it's a little more complicated than that ;)
23:56:06  <Bjarni> you built force fields?
23:56:19  <lws1984> lol
23:56:20  <Eddi|zuHause> right ;)
23:56:48  <Bjarni> well, force fields ARE more complicated than standard walls
23:56:57  <Sacro> or maybe an iron curtain
23:56:59  <Eddi|zuHause> you know... at high times, germany was split up in more than 200 different countries
23:57:33  <Bjarni> I didn't know that the number was that high, but I knew that it was pretty high
23:57:48  <Eddi|zuHause> then napoleon came along and made some "cleaning up"
23:58:21  <Bjarni> so did Bismarck and Hitler
23:58:28  <Eddi|zuHause> well... there are some funny pictures of that time
23:59:03  <Eddi|zuHause> one is a horse wagon, and a customs guy stands besides it
23:59:43  <Eddi|zuHause> the wagon driver says: "i have nothing to declare... the front of my wagon is already out of your country, in the middle there is nothing, and the back is not in your country yet"

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