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00:03:54 *** Dred_furst` [i=nn@user-550.wfd84a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:08:34 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-142-208.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 00:10:52 *** tokai|bahamut [n=tokai@p54B825A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 00:36:43 *** Zbeynex [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:40:34 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46c67.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:41:44 <bulio> anyone wanna tutor me ingame? 00:41:53 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 00:42:39 <Sacro> bulio: what kinda stuff u want help with? 00:43:10 <Sacro> my word, ubuntu torrent downloads fast :| 00:43:39 <bulio> heh 00:43:49 <bulio> building a successful mainline 00:43:54 <bulio> and some backbone hubs 00:45:13 <Sacro> ahh, thats #openttdcoop 00:45:29 <Sacro> why not pay a visit to their sandbox server 00:45:31 <bulio> no one is on 00:45:32 <bulio> :/ 00:45:40 <bulio> I have been on there 00:45:52 <bulio> but the place has altready been built, so I can't learn 00:46:46 <Sacro> hmm, well i dont tend to do things that way 00:47:12 <bulio> what way? 00:47:31 <Sacro> using backbones and massive hubs 00:47:46 <bulio> what do you do? 00:48:12 <bulio> if you could just teach me how to do a mainline and link stations to it 00:48:16 <Sacro> well, it depends on what the line demans 00:48:18 <Sacro> *demands 00:48:29 <bulio> I could host the game 00:49:17 <Sacro> can do yeah, what version? 00:49:34 <bulio> .47 00:50:25 <Sacro> cool 00:50:40 <bulio> ok game name is buliotutorial 00:50:53 <Sacro> right 00:51:43 <bulio> tell me when you get on 00:52:12 <CIA-3> belugas * r5354 /branch/newgrf_lab/ (34 files in 6 dirs): [newgrf_lab] Synch with trunk up to 5352 00:52:19 <Sacro> yeah 00:52:19 *** Morlark [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:52:24 <Sacro> wont be on for long im afraid though, got to go to bed 00:52:42 <bulio> ok 00:53:43 <bulio> find it yet? 00:57:30 <bulio> ... 00:58:33 <Belugas_Gone> I repeat myself when understress I repeat myself when understress I repeat myself when understress I repeat myself when understress... 00:58:41 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 00:58:44 <Belugas_Gone> the more I look at it, the more I like it 01:01:09 <Sacro> bulio: sorry, mother came around 01:03:18 <Sacro> bulio: i dont see it 01:04:09 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:09:30 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77231.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:18:40 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176107024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 01:29:19 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:37:35 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 01:39:17 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 01:44:21 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3570D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:51:11 <bulio> ok I'm back 01:51:15 <bulio> whos alive in here? 01:51:24 <lws1984> me 01:51:58 <bulio> wanna play online? 01:52:03 <lws1984> nah 01:52:04 <bulio> I need someone to teach m mainlines 01:52:05 <lws1984> can't 01:52:18 <lws1984> i'm worried about my cell connection down here 01:52:25 <bulio> cell? 01:52:27 <Sacro> im just about to go to bed, sorry :( 01:52:41 <Sacro> yes, his jailmate will come and get him in a minute :P 01:52:41 <lws1984> cellphone, GPRS, using as modem down in the subway 01:52:49 <bulio> oh 01:52:56 <bulio> your in a subway right now? 01:53:01 <lws1984> yep 01:53:05 <lws1984> it's odd 01:53:11 <bulio> what time is it over there? 01:53:12 <lws1984> usually i can't get service down her 01:53:17 <bulio> 10 pm over here 01:53:18 <lws1984> 9:53 PM 01:53:20 <lws1984> Boston, MA 01:54:20 <lws1984> where are you at? 01:55:51 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-15.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 01:58:35 <bulio> Montreal, Canada 02:06:54 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3570D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 02:12:41 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:12:53 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #openttd 02:15:13 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:19:12 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 02:27:57 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has quit ["Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't understand it"] 02:28:50 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has joined #openttd 02:40:41 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-192-102.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! 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apache2 goes into zombie sometimes? 06:48:04 <Tron> what do you mean by "zombie"? 06:48:12 <MiHaMiX> Tron: in fact, pretty often.. once in every few days 06:48:41 <MiHaMiX> Tron: zombie in this case is not a process flag, it means that apache quits and a php process took over tcp/80 06:49:04 <MiHaMiX> Tron: it looks like apache exited _during_ serving a request 06:49:09 <Tron> this sounds a bit strange 06:49:40 <MiHaMiX> i'm doing an STFW right now 06:49:41 <Tron> but i guess it's a problem at your side, because if it happens that often somebody else would have noticed 06:50:57 <MiHaMiX> Tron: yes, i guess also, but what is the problem? :) it both occurs on my notebook 06:53:58 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77231.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:54:07 <Tron> well, the PHP process hanging at port 80 isn't too unusual, it probably has it as stdout and writes the content of page into it 06:55:25 <MiHaMiX> yes, most probably 06:55:49 <MiHaMiX> Tron: but why does apache2 processes exit without any sign (no log, etc) 06:56:26 <MiHaMiX> Tron: I failed to mention yet that the server is amd64 arch 06:56:38 <Tron> *sigh* apache 2 uses threads 06:56:47 <Tron> so there is just one apache process, right? 06:57:05 <MiHaMiX> no 06:57:10 <peter1138> morning 06:57:20 <MiHaMiX> 80/tcp root 11344 f.... apache2 root 11361 f.... apache2 root 11362 f.... apache2 root 11364 f.... apache2 www-data 13668 f.... php 06:57:24 <MiHaMiX> morning 06:57:28 <peter1138> apache2 can use different pooling methods 06:57:37 <MiHaMiX> grr, c'n'p really drives me crazy 06:57:46 <peter1138> threads, processes, probably other stuff 06:58:17 <Tron> i strongly prefer processes. it might be a tad slower, but it's safer 06:58:18 <peter1138> Tron, nice work on the foundations :D 06:58:24 <Tron> thanks 06:58:36 <Tron> i couldn't stand the glitches any longer 07:04:52 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B825A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd ["icebears... take care of them!"] 07:08:42 <Tron> peter1138: are there any further foundation related problems you know of? 07:08:58 <Tron> except the selects-wrong-tile-problem you already mentioned 07:09:03 <peter1138> not that i can think of at the moment 07:09:42 <Tron> this problem is a bit more tricky though, because foundations make the ground non-continuous 07:10:10 <Tron> so the cheap newton-iteration does $STUFF 07:19:53 <MiHaMiX> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..... 07:20:04 <MiHaMiX> found the root cause of the problem? 07:20:15 <MiHaMiX> logrotate 07:20:30 <peter1138> umn 07:21:52 <MiHaMiX> if there is a process which serving a request when the apache is to be shut down, then apache has been shut down and the php process remains 07:23:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77231.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:24:11 <MiHaMiX> hmm.. quick and not so dirty solution: fix apache2 initscript :) 07:27:56 <MiHaMiX> ## Quick hack to made it stop completely 07:28:03 <MiHaMiX> fuser -vk 80/tcp 07:50:36 *** _bitwise 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Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77231.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:27:19 <Gorre`> Ok, as it seems that nobody is interested ... im gonna tell mom ... 08:29:43 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:29:49 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:30:32 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: hmm 08:30:48 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: you should be able to upload images 08:31:29 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:33:07 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181072025.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 08:33:11 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46c67.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:33:14 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:33:18 <Gorre`> Well, I have always found mediawiki messy, so maybe its my fault, but I always get "view source" instead of "edit" 08:33:33 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: what browser? 08:33:41 <Bjarni> hi people 08:33:45 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: did you registered yourself? 08:33:49 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: morning 08:34:06 <Gorre`> opera 9, registred for months, but i think the page is blocked to be edited. 08:34:31 <[Shaman]> lo Bjarni 08:34:33 <Gorre`> Shame on me ... This page has been locked to prevent editing; there are a number of reasons why this may be so 08:34:35 <Gorre`> hi bjarni 08:34:50 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: which page? 08:34:58 <Gorre`> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Enhanced_GFX_replacement 08:35:33 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: that page is a category summarize page 08:35:43 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: you should've edit a subcategory page instead. 08:36:12 <Gorre`> ok 08:36:29 <Gorre`> thanks 08:36:50 *** _bitwise [n=_bitwise@ipa16.6.tellas.gr] has joined #openttd 08:36:54 <Gorre`> thats because i'v run out of tea :/ 08:37:26 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: most probably... 08:38:52 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-550.wfd84a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:41:01 <MiHaMiX> lol: http://www.handras.hu/stuff/zzz.mov 08:42:40 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:42:41 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 08:43:22 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181072025.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:44:11 *** KUDr_wrk [n=KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 08:45:36 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387D6CD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:45:50 <Gorre`> MiHaMiX: If I wanted to post original size of building there, it would completely mess the page (well its messed already). Is it allowed to use imageshacks thumbnails? 08:49:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77231.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 08:50:15 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: upload the image to the wiki if possible 08:50:39 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: we'd like to avoid external images, as they generally slow down the loading of the page, if not even made that impossible 08:51:04 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: since if the external source of images is down then noone will be able to see the image 08:51:24 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181072025.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 08:51:24 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: you should generate two version of the image, a smaller and a bigger one 08:52:47 <Gorre`> Ok, i will try how mediawiki will manage 1536x1536 image ... 08:53:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77231.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:57:16 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:57:38 *** jonty-comp [i=bottage@88-107-56-122.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Au reviour!"] 08:57:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77231.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:58:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77231.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:59:25 <ln-> "Translators must use the charater set "Windows latin-1", also known as ISO 8859-1. Otherwise, some characters will not display correctly in the game." 08:59:49 <ln-> Windows latin-1 is exactly not known as ISO 8859-1. 09:01:25 <MiHaMiX> ln-: where did you read that? 09:01:51 <MiHaMiX> ln-: nope, found. 09:02:41 *** Tino|Hafen [n=Tino@i5387EC1A.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:05:07 <MiHaMiX> ln-: ok, fixed 09:07:53 <CIA-3> tron * r5356 /branch/0.4/ (tile.h town_cmd.c tunnelbridge_cmd.c): Move the inclusion of slope.h to reduce diff to trunk 09:08:26 <Gorre`> MiHaMiX: One last question. I havent found any example or anything I could follow about thumbnails use on our wiki. Is there any consensus about the size of thumbnails or anyone can just use the size he wants? 09:09:27 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: well, you shouldn't use bigger than the average unless you have a real reason to do it. 09:09:50 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-16226.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 09:11:00 <Gorre`> You should have been a lawgiver MiHaMix :/ 09:12:19 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: ok, let me tell you a typical th size 09:13:40 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: say, 200x400 should be more than enough as a thumbnail. 09:14:00 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: sorry, 200x320 09:14:49 <Gorre`> Ok, ok, thanks. 09:16:44 <Gorre`> I will remake the page to fit these standarts then 09:16:47 <peter1138> for a thumbnail? 09:17:31 <peter1138> a thumbnail shouldn't be bigger than 100x100 09:17:42 <peter1138> else it's verging on not being a thumbnail any more 09:18:00 <Gorre`> There are some pictures with 500px in width which are making the page looking not very professional. 09:18:31 <Gorre`> And I want to make them to fit one style (read: to have the same size in width) 09:18:36 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host235-235.pool874.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 09:18:55 <Wolf01> hi all 09:19:25 <Wolf01> hey anboni, i thought about another way to show cargo stats: http://www.tt-forums.net/files/cargostats_114.png 09:20:18 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: My advise was for the newgraphics tables, not actually thumbnails, even though I used the expression thumbnail 09:21:05 <anboni> Wolf01, do you have that actually coded already? or is that a mockup? :) 09:21:23 <Wolf01> paint artwork :P 09:22:33 <anboni> looks interesting.. what's the produced column? 09:22:56 <Wolf01> is what the station accepts from industries 09:23:25 <anboni> ah ok 09:23:42 <[Shaman]> Wolf01: where's the lower-right corner to 'expand' the window gone to? :o 09:24:01 <anboni> and what about the statistics button? :) 09:24:06 <[Shaman]> yar 09:24:32 <Wolf01> uhm... you have to put it in statistic panel XD 09:24:50 <Wolf01> i used the first panel that i found 09:25:10 *** TL|Away [n=trueligh@truelight.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:25:26 <Bjarni> brb 09:25:27 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46c67.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:27:23 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80AC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:28:31 <Wolf01> you can resize it anyway, i made it as you see because i'm too lazy to do more artwork :P 09:29:10 <anboni> hehe 09:30:55 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46c67.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:30:58 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 09:35:19 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-550.wfd84a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:35:47 *** mode/#openttd [+o MiHaMiX] by ChanServ 09:38:55 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B825A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:39:05 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B825A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:39:06 <CIA-3> KUDr * r5357 /branch/TGP/industry_cmd.c: [TGP]: Fixed crash when TileHeight() called for invalid tile 09:39:50 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80AC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:45:55 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@AC8F1DAF.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 09:51:09 *** michi_cc [i=e0624a2b@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [] 09:51:11 *** michi_cc [i=03c827ec@pdpc/supporter/student/michi-cc] has joined #openttd 09:57:42 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:00:24 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:04:51 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 10:07:37 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:14:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77231.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:14:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77231.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:16:30 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77231.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:16:57 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 10:17:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77231.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:19:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77231.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:24:52 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:25:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77231.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:26:27 *** rubyruy [n=ruyasan@S0106000f66054cc0.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:28:21 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 10:29:43 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 10:32:55 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Client Quit] 10:33:05 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 10:36:54 <Bjarni> it 10:37:09 <Bjarni> damn, that enter key should not be next to ' :P 10:37:44 <Gorre`> amen. 10:38:00 <Gorre`> i still cant get used to this new keyboard as well ... 10:38:04 <Bjarni> anyway, what I was about to say was: 10:38:20 <Bjarni> it's good that I returned.... I would have missed a lot 10:38:57 <KUDr> and we would have missed you 10:38:59 <Bjarni> I mean, it's good to see all the people joining and leaving 10:39:08 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176107024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:43:39 *** Frostregen [i=SADDAM@dslb-084-058-150-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:46:38 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has quit ["Client exiting"] 10:52:54 <anboni> when setting vehicle orders, was there any special behaviour in ttdpatch when ctrl-clicking on a station? i find myself wanting to press ctrl quite often while setting orders :) 10:53:12 <Gorre`> MiHaMiX: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/City_Buildings_(New_Graphics) You may take a look (at the bottom mainly) on the thumbnails. Looks good with 1280x1024, but it should be less the 200px. 10:53:36 <Bjarni> anboni: well, there is the shared order thing 10:53:49 <anboni> yeah, but that's ctrl-click on another train:) 10:53:55 <anboni> (or other vehicle) 10:54:04 <KUDr> train can be in station 10:54:05 <Nubian> when will be all new graphics inplemented in ottd rlse? 10:55:04 <Bjarni> Nubian: for a start, not as long as you invent your own words like rlse 10:55:20 <anboni> ouch.. that's going to be a problem... 10:55:33 <Nubian> rlse=release 10:59:06 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 11:00:09 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: I'm using 1024x768 on my notebook, and it looks good here 11:00:37 <Gorre`> Better then I expected 11:00:38 <MiHaMiX> Gorre`: however, if you want, you can make the thumbnails smaller :-) 11:01:17 <Gorre`> If peter wants ... I find this size 11:01:24 <Gorre`> ... good 11:03:49 <Bjarni> it's nice to see that we got so many new sprites, but it makes me wonder... how is progress on an engine to use them in the game? 11:03:56 <MiHaMiX> ok, then :) 11:03:56 <Bjarni> did anything happen there at all? 11:04:15 <anboni> Bjarni, isn't that what newgrf_lab is for? 11:04:40 <Bjarni> not displaying 32 bit graphics 11:05:13 <Bjarni> newgrf_lab is for improving support for newgrf files, not altering the graphic engine 11:05:39 <anboni> ah ok, guess that would be the 32bpp branch then.. haven't seen much progress there lately 11:09:36 <Gorre`> <Bjarni> how is progress on an engine to use them in the game? 11:09:42 <Gorre`> That, detective, is the right question 11:09:44 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp24-101.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 11:13:58 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:17:41 <ln-> "Translators must use the charater set ISO 8859-11, otherwise, some characters will not display correctly in the game." 11:18:10 <ln-> "ISO 8859-11 is an 8-bit character encoding, part of the ISO 8859 standard. It covers the characters used for the Thai language." [Wikipedia] 11:19:13 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80AC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:19:49 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 11:20:40 <hylje> thai? 11:20:41 <hylje> :< 11:21:29 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80AC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:21:54 <anboni> how long is a game day, in seconds? 11:22:13 <hylje> i recall its 5 11:22:36 <anboni> no, it's much less.. visually i'm guesstimating it between 1 and 2 seconds 11:25:23 <anboni> hmm.. #define DAY_TICKS 74 11:25:49 <anboni> assuming a tick is still 18ms,. that means a day is 1332ms or 1.3 seconds 11:26:45 <anboni> that means openttd is taking somewhere around 11-13 seconds to save my game :/ 11:26:54 <Rubidium> a tick is about 27 milliseconds (openttd.h:42) 11:27:11 <Rubidium> and 1 day thus about 2 seconds 11:28:16 <anboni> guess these are different ticks than what i was thinking of :) 11:28:30 <anboni> but that then means that openttd takes about 18 seconds to save my game :( 11:29:49 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6037.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 11:30:10 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6037.bb.online.no] has quit [Client Quit] 11:30:12 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 11:31:27 <MiHaMiX> ok, bbl, bye for now :-) 11:32:46 <Gorre`> Well, its time, after ... 6 months of vacation to start Blender again ... 11:32:49 <Gorre`> *sigh* 11:33:01 <Gorre`> (actually, my mmorpg server is down ...) 11:39:43 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:43:03 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 11:43:45 <black_Nightmare> any of you ever been in the place where you're barely trying start up (with large loan too) and jad just landscaping a lot of $$$ into water>land at edge of a city and suddenly someone else builds right on that flat land rendering you useless? 11:45:18 <black_Nightmare> or am I the only one to have just gotten into that hole now? 11:45:42 <anboni> i tend to do limited (if any) landscaping when i'm just starting 11:46:18 <black_Nightmare> anboni..how would you feel if you did one and suddenly you can't use the land you had made anymore? :-/ 11:47:54 <Frostregen> just try to talk 11:47:58 <anboni> i probably wouldn't be amused 11:48:09 <black_Nightmare> go figure 11:48:24 <black_Nightmare> frostregen...its one of these usual deaf-and-never-talks player 11:48:26 <anboni> but then, i dont play multiplayer games, so i dont generally run into that kind of trouble 11:48:35 <black_Nightmare> and he just quitted connection a few minutes ago too :-/ 11:48:59 <anboni> see if his company is passworded and if not, return the favor :) 11:49:07 <Frostregen> exactly 11:49:11 <black_Nightmare> I wish I wish..lol...it -is- passworded tho 11:49:18 <anboni> bummer 11:49:26 <anboni> only other option i can think of is to talk to the server admin 11:49:28 <black_Nightmare> I already thought of that as soon as he did that..anyhow ;) 11:50:42 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:54:21 <Trenskow> Richlv, ping ? 11:54:28 <_bitwise> Why is the highest rated tube bridge is something like 611kph but the fastest road vehicle is 112? 11:55:15 <anboni> because the bridges are universal between road and rail 11:55:19 <Gorre`> Because its shared 11:55:21 <Gorre`> right. 11:55:22 <Wolf01> because the same bridge is used for maglev 11:55:45 <anboni> and that same bridge isn't even fast enough for the fastest maglev : 11:55:46 <anboni> :) 11:56:08 <Gorre`> Then the right question would be: Why does the fastest maglev runs at 643kph (?) while the fastest bridge is only 611 11:56:16 <Wolf01> that's correct, you shouldn't run too fast on bridges 11:56:17 <Gorre`> anboni: I hate you. 11:56:18 <Gorre`> :) 11:56:30 <anboni> Gorre`, type faster :) 11:56:35 <Wolf01> lol 11:56:54 <Gorre`> :-/ 11:57:24 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:57:52 <Gorre`> Thats because I havent been there for ages, thus I have forgotten to type fast. 11:57:59 <Gorre`> ... in english 11:59:42 <black_Nightmare> :p 12:00:26 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 12:00:32 <Wolf01> anyone wants to help me to made a massive "stretched time + show catchement areas + enhanced terraforming (this to break darkvater's terraforming patch)" 12:01:18 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:01:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 12:01:19 <Darkvater> 'ello :) 12:01:30 <KUDr> 'ello my master 12:01:36 <Wolf01> you talk about devil... 12:01:44 <hylje> hah, Wolf01 12:02:08 <Darkvater> Wolf01: he's talking about me 12:02:11 <Darkvater> hi KUDr 12:02:33 <Gorre`> Wolf01 has summoned you Darkvater ... 12:02:36 <Gorre`> Hello anyway 12:03:17 <Wolf01> Darkvater, was your the terraforming unwanted tiles patch, wasn't? 12:03:28 <Darkvater> eh? 12:03:29 <Bjarni> <Gorre`> Wolf01 has summoned you Darkvater ... <-- well those Italians started with Mussolini and now Darkvater... I fear for their next step 12:03:45 <Darkvater> terraforming unwanted tiles? 12:03:54 <Wolf01> yes, tiles under tracks 12:04:13 <Darkvater> ? 12:04:18 <Darkvater> those with foundations? 12:04:23 <Wolf01> yes them 12:04:30 <Darkvater> es, that was me 12:04:40 <Gorre`> Bjarni: Behold! Benito Darkvater! 12:04:47 <Wolf01> i want to break your patch by allowing it like ttdp :P 12:05:05 <hylje> yes lets break all dv's stuff 12:05:10 <Gorre`> blasphemy 12:05:30 <Darkvater> well my patch fixed the broken method until now where you could terraform certain foundationed tiles and others not 12:06:08 *** Ammler [n=irc@141-94.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 12:06:44 <Ammler> help 12:06:50 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:07:13 <black_Nightmare> hey brianetta :) 12:07:23 <Wolf01> [14:06:45] <Ammler> help <- some infos about your problem? 12:07:24 <Brianetta> hi 12:07:31 <Wolf01> hi Brianetta 12:07:38 <anboni> nothing like a good intro.. "help" 12:08:21 <black_Nightmare> brianetta...is your server still up? 12:08:26 <black_Nightmare> (not the deathmatch one) 12:08:43 <Frostregen> http://ppcis.org/nightly/ 12:09:04 <CIA-3> Darkvater * r5358 /branch/yapf/: - Remove the now finished and merged YAPF branch 12:09:09 <Ammler> sorry, was mistake (helpone) 12:09:38 <Gorre`> I'm afraid i have completely forgotten everything in blender :/ 12:10:49 <black_Nightmare> ohh nightly build..that explains why I wasn't seeing it 12:10:56 <black_Nightmare> how often do nightly build come out? 12:11:02 <Darkvater> nightly? 12:11:29 <_bitwise> It would be nice if coop multiplay had some indicator for which client was doing building etc 12:13:08 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-209-193.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:11 <Frostregen> maybe a sign over the "last build tile"? 12:14:53 <Frostregen> hmm, could be annyoing 12:15:27 <black_Nightmare> frostregen..know anything about my above question? (and re that sign being annoying..I could agree) 12:15:57 <Frostregen> i think there is a variable which stores the "last build tile" already 12:16:18 <Wolf01> Darkvater, have you some suggestions for me, like what i have to change to allow "wanted" terraforming under things? 12:16:54 <Frostregen> darkvater said it already: nightly....every night 12:17:26 <Darkvater> Wolf01: look in clear_cmd.c for cmdterraform/terraformproc..pretty nasty stuff :P 12:18:12 <Wolf01> ok, i'll try it 12:18:49 <Darkvater> is tron gone missing? :) 12:19:48 <black_Nightmare> frostregen..oh... :-/ 12:19:54 * black_Nightmare isn't sure I want to bother much then 12:20:50 <Frostregen> why? 12:20:53 <Frostregen> too much? 12:21:01 *** scia_ [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 12:21:30 <Frostregen> to* 12:21:36 <black_Nightmare> one of the few reason I think I recall quitted was that its too tiring to have to keep update every single day 12:21:57 <black_Nightmare> give me something that only needs weekly/monthly updates :p 12:22:14 <Frostregen> then just stick to the official release ;) 12:22:21 <Brianetta> black_Nightmare: You aren't obliged to update to each nightly 12:22:40 <Brianetta> Most nightly servers are a few revisions out of date 12:23:01 <Brianetta> http://www.openttd.org/servers.php 12:23:03 <Brianetta> check it out 12:23:12 <Brianetta> Only one is up to date, and that's because I'm a nut 12:23:37 <Frostregen> yeah, I keep my code in sync with your servers revision =) 12:24:01 <Brianetta> I manually update it 12:24:16 <Brianetta> I could automate it, but I like to archive games off etc 12:24:23 <Frostregen> thought so...as last weeke there were 2-3 days without an update 12:24:48 <Frostregen> confused me =) 12:25:27 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:25:54 *** Hendy [n=wolfox@202.43.227.24] has joined #openttd 12:26:51 <Frostregen> best of all your patch settings are the same as mine, so I don't have to change my style of play 12:27:16 *** Schamane_ is now known as SchAmane 12:27:52 <CIA-3> Darkvater * r5359 /trunk/settings.c: 12:27:52 <CIA-3> - Setting a patch value through the console would show the old value as a 12:27:52 <CIA-3> confirmation. This was caused by the actual action being executed a tick later 12:27:52 <CIA-3> in multiplayer mode. Simply work around it by not showing the new value. If 12:27:52 <CIA-3> someone really must now it, just query again. 12:28:43 <CIA-3> Darkvater * r5360 /trunk/settings.c: - Fix (r5359): *sigh*, compile before you commit... 12:28:58 <hylje> busted 12:29:53 * Darkvater smacks hylje 12:29:56 <Darkvater> shut up you :) 12:30:42 <Darkvater> peter1138: sind Sie hier? 12:32:17 <Darkvater> hmm 12:32:25 * Darkvater ponders of committing terraform fix 12:32:27 <Darkvater> try #4 12:33:14 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 12:33:40 <Eddi|zuHause> arggh... filenames ending with spaces are nasty :p 12:33:56 <Triffid_Hunter> Eddi|zuHause: that's what tab completion is for ;) 12:35:03 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 12:35:15 <hylje> ffs, the town im servicing actually shrinks and ceases accepting goods 12:35:17 <Eddi|zuHause> well... using the files manually worked fine, but some program stripped the spaces and then did not find the file anymore 12:39:11 <Darkvater> anyone around with a compiler and wanna test terraforming? 12:39:22 <Darkvater> in its most stupid and outrageous forms? 12:39:43 <hylje> :D 12:39:55 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.openttd.org/terraform_final.diff 12:41:15 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B820FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:43:13 <anboni> Darkvater, any specifics to look out for? 12:43:48 <Darkvater> everything 12:43:55 <Darkvater> mainly terraforming with rail-tiles 12:44:09 <anboni> does that include AI terraforming? 12:44:11 <Darkvater> up/down/bridge/tunnel where there is a rail-tile nearby 12:44:18 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@84.152.220.137] has quit ["Ciao"] 12:44:42 <Darkvater> the AI doesn't normally terraform tiles with rails on them (only sporadically) 12:44:51 <Darkvater> but that as well 12:45:09 <Darkvater> the problem with AI is, is that you can't really check what it terraformed and if that was allowed or not ;p 12:45:16 <Bjarni> Darkvater: you moron.... now you wasted a revision... now we are one commit closer to the hard limit :( 12:45:30 <Darkvater> idiot 12:45:38 <Bjarni> hehe 12:45:42 <Darkvater> :) 12:45:52 <Wolf01> there is an hard limit? 12:45:54 <Bjarni> it's true.... but we are still so far from any hard limits that I don't care 12:45:58 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B820FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 12:46:01 <hylje> and besides 12:46:05 <hylje> when you get to the hard limit 12:46:11 <hylje> just archive the old and start fresh 12:46:12 <Bjarni> I think it's 2^32 or 2^64 revisions 12:46:52 <Bjarni> or something else that is so high that we will not reach it in a very long time 12:47:06 <Bjarni> maybe our grand children might reach it 12:47:08 <CIA-3> Darkvater * r5361 / (branch/ branches/): - Conform more closely to SVN specs. Rename 'branch' to 'branches' 12:47:11 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-203-135.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:47:12 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B820FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:48:09 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B820FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:48:36 <Bjarni> actually the bad part is that it takes room in the log... we got too many "fixed issue added in last commit" messages :| 12:52:42 <anboni> Darkvater, terraforming surrounding rail seems to be fine.. but i did notice an issue with road.. when there's a piece of road on one half of the tile, and you raise the land on one of the far corners, that piece of road gets removed 12:53:55 *** Gorre` [i=dik@ip-89-102-198-247.karneval.cz] has quit ["Glory be to Thee, O Gorre! <k!15b8>"] 12:53:55 <Darkvater> hmm lemme check anboni 12:53:55 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:54:17 <anboni> not related to your patch though, it does that in my r5258-bridge game too 12:54:49 <Darkvater> hmm indeed 12:56:27 <Wolf01> that's an old bug 12:57:05 <Wolf01> you can also buy the tile when there is a half tile roadpiece 12:57:58 <Wolf01> i used this alot to reserve tiles to make square cities 12:59:34 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-165-190.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Disappearing /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\"] 12:59:53 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B820FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 13:00:37 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80AC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 13:01:27 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80AC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 13:02:21 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:09:40 <Tron> it's actually not a bug 13:10:03 <Sacro> its a feature? 13:10:06 <Tron> there's a special case, which specifically allows this 13:10:06 <_bitwise> What sort of things classify as "other" in Expenditures column of the finance report? 13:10:27 <Sacro> _bitwise: biscuits, cups of tea 13:10:30 <Darkvater> I wonder what this special case is good for... 13:10:44 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Town expansion 13:10:59 <_bitwise> Sacro: those little rubber mats outside HQ's dorrs? 13:11:05 <_bitwise> s/dorr/door 13:11:06 <Darkvater> hmm been there since rev1 13:11:12 <Sacro> _bitwise: yep, that kinda thing 13:11:21 <Tron> Darkvater: been there since 0.1.0.1 13:11:30 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B820FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:11:34 <Tron> (oldest complete source i could find on the net) 13:11:50 <Sacro> i have r290 ish somewhere 13:19:20 <anboni> Darkvater, you said a while ago that saving a game wouldn't take more than 2-4 seconds or so, right? well, my current game takes 8-9 game days, so 16 seconds or so :) 13:20:00 <Darkvater> to anyone who has a checkout of a branch and does an 'svn update': it will break. You need to 'svn switch to branches/' and then update. Sorry for all the trouble :( 13:20:12 <Darkvater> anboni: which saving? While it is pausing or while it is busy? 13:20:18 <anboni> while it's busy 13:20:38 <Darkvater> anboni: anyways it depends on 1) your pc 2) mapsize 3) load on your OS 13:20:47 <Darkvater> 4) if the game is in FF or not 13:20:59 <anboni> what's FF? 13:21:03 <Darkvater> fast forward 13:21:06 <anboni> ah 13:21:46 <Frostregen> darkvater: thx for the "switch" info 13:21:52 <Darkvater> 16 seconds is possible on a big map and not-a-so-fast pc 13:22:07 <Darkvater> Frostregen: I created a lot of trouble for some peeps :( 13:22:07 <anboni> well.. 1) athlon64 4000+, 2) 2048x2048, 3) openttd running with 44% cpu util and X running with 23% 13:22:21 <Darkvater> 2) < there you go 13:22:44 <Triffid_Hunter> anboni: what kind of screen has a 1:1 w/h ratio? 13:22:44 <Darkvater> 3) < also relevant, just game uses 44%, saving will need to compete with that 13:23:11 <anboni> Triffid_Hunter, we're talking mapsize here 13:23:34 <Triffid_Hunter> ah 13:23:51 <anboni> so i guess we'd need to figure out why the game is using 44% cpu :) 13:24:03 <Darkvater> big map, lots of vehicles? 13:24:11 <Darkvater> and SDL is ... 13:24:13 <anboni> 405 trains 13:24:21 <Darkvater> ships and pathfinder 13:24:30 <anboni> only using trains 13:24:42 <anboni> with yapf enabled 13:24:58 *** Cxaxukluth [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:25:06 <Darkvater> you can test what the impact is of the gameplay if you pause the game, then save it manually 13:26:09 <anboni> counting manually, ~5 seconds 13:27:10 <anboni> and the biggest chunk of that is probably coping the entire data area to the snapshot area in memory (or doesnt it do that when the game's paused?) 13:27:28 <Darkvater> biggest chunk is probably zlib 13:27:46 <Darkvater> you can test it if you save the game uncompressed 13:28:07 <anboni> is that a setting somewhere, or do i need to recompile? 13:28:12 <Darkvater> openttd.cfg 13:28:25 <Darkvater> savegame_format = 13:28:42 <anboni> is empty now 13:29:07 <Darkvater> lzo, none or zlib 13:29:24 <Darkvater> so that would be 'none' :) 13:29:32 <glx> but none with 2048x2048 takes a lot of space 13:30:08 <anboni> well.. game paused and format set to none, game really saves in the blink of an eye 13:30:30 <anboni> and what's 34M on today's harddrive... 13:30:50 <Darkvater> zlib it is 13:31:00 <Sacro> 34M save :| 13:31:00 <anboni> clearly 13:31:07 <Darkvater> 34M is a lot if you save it every month :) 13:31:11 <Darkvater> (autosave) 13:31:27 <anboni> yup, with game running, autosave still completes in the blink of an eye 13:31:47 <Darkvater> you can recompile openttd to take the fastest compression 13:31:52 <Darkvater> it's a setting from 0 to 9 13:32:04 <anboni> that's worth a try 13:32:23 <Darkvater> saveload.c:1108 in trunk/ 13:32:49 <anboni> 9=best, 0=fastest? 13:32:49 <Darkvater> 'default (-1) 13:32:49 <Darkvater> 'bestspeed (1) 13:32:49 <Darkvater> 'bestcompression (9) 13:32:50 <Darkvater> 'nocompression (0) 13:32:53 <Darkvater> it's at 6 now 13:32:55 <anboni> :) 13:33:54 <Darkvater> < food 13:35:24 <anboni> still a noticable delay with it set to 1... (but definately less).. and diskspace usage difference isn't spectacular... 7.5M for default, 8.7M for bestspeed 13:38:07 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-16226.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:39:00 *** MrRexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-12501.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 13:40:19 *** Zbeynex [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Connection timed out] 13:42:12 <Wolf01> a friend of mine has a problem compiling zlib and libpng when setting up mingw... solutions? 13:42:40 <CIA-3> richk * r5362 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 13:42:40 <CIA-3> - Fix: Updated sprites in New Airports to be allow cleaner replacement by newgrf 13:42:40 <CIA-3> graphics. All tiles now use SPR_AIRPORT_APRON as the tarmac. Created two new 13:42:40 <CIA-3> sprites in airports.grf for half-grass half-tarmac tiles on Intercontinental 13:42:40 <CIA-3> airport. 13:42:55 <Frostregen> on windows? 13:42:57 <glx> Wolf01: works well with mingw + msys 13:43:06 <Wolf01> yes that 13:43:30 <Frostregen> the scripts wont work, because wget is missing in msys 13:43:55 <glx> I used configure, make and make install 13:44:01 <Frostregen> i had to download the packages manually, put them into my tmp folder, the the script worked 13:44:20 <Frostregen> this didn't work for me on win 13:45:53 <Frostregen> i think you could use the stuff from the useful.zip too 13:46:02 <Frostregen> without compiling anything 13:47:13 <Sacro> Wolf01: linux? 13:47:18 <Wolf01> no, winxp 13:47:29 <Sacro> Wolf01: that was a suggestion, not a question :P 13:47:34 <Frostregen> lol 13:47:44 <Wolf01> ...XD 13:48:25 <Frostregen> cya later 13:55:05 <Sacro> http://blog.sykosopp.com/wp-content/rulethemall.txt :| 13:56:36 <hylje> rofl :| 13:57:00 <Sacro> now THATS cross platform 13:57:27 <hylje> cross language 13:57:46 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82C85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:57:52 <hylje> i assume that does compile/run on all compilers/interpreters 13:58:25 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:59:05 <Sacro> yeah, can you spot the bottom one? 13:59:16 <hylje> brainfuck and python 13:59:41 <Sacro> yep 14:00:38 <hylje> bf is sheer geniu 14:00:39 <hylje> s 14:00:44 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@85.165.253.187] has joined #openttd 14:00:55 <Sacro> yeah ive just been reading about it 14:01:22 <Qball> I like the if 0 14:01:49 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:02:14 <hylje> theres not much to be written about bf 14:02:24 <hylje> its not like its _that_ complex language 14:02:34 <Sacro> Qball: im trying to follow it :S 14:03:03 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B82C85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:04:42 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 14:06:02 *** MrRexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-12501.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:08:12 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-203-135.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:14:06 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B820FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:14:37 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B820FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:19:17 *** Vornotron [n=vorn@64-252-101-110.adsl.snet.net] has joined #openttd 14:21:50 <SimonRC> Guys/gals, it you are interested in bf you should head over to #brainfuck 14:23:49 <hylje> :o 14:24:04 <hylje> ##brainfuck you mean 14:25:15 <Brianetta> wtf is it? 14:28:12 <anboni> Brianetta, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck 14:28:14 <SimonRC> oh, yeah 14:28:22 <anboni> i was just reading up on it :) 14:28:23 <SimonRC> I meant ##brainfuck 14:30:22 <Brianetta> Oh, the language 14:30:24 <Brianetta> meh 14:30:29 <Brianetta> I never was interested in it 14:31:52 <anboni> rulethemall.txt missed a language that could've easily been included :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_programming_language 14:34:07 <hylje> syntax highlighting rules with whitespace 14:34:25 <anboni> yeah 14:37:47 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@64-252-98-2.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 14:40:43 *** _bitwise [n=_bitwise@ipa16.6.tellas.gr] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]"] 14:41:39 *** _bitwise [n=_bitwise@ipa16.6.tellas.gr] has joined #openttd 14:47:56 <peter1138> Darkvater: pong? 14:52:13 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E858.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:53:39 <Darkvater> pong 14:53:41 <Darkvater> peter1138: nvm 14:54:04 <peter1138> oh 14:54:30 <peter1138> unwanted, eh? ;p 14:55:00 <Darkvater> yes ;p 14:58:12 <Darkvater> Richlv: 14:58:13 <Darkvater> ping 14:58:14 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46c67.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:01:36 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E858.pool.t-online.hu] has quit ["Leaving."] 15:02:29 <Darkvater> hmm does perl have a function to convert a string to a timestamp? 15:04:58 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:05:08 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E858.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:05:53 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 15:06:04 <Rens2Sea> \o/ 15:08:28 <Born_Acorn> lies. 15:10:00 <peter1138> ? 15:17:31 <Wolf01> ok, my friend now can compile OTTD 15:17:41 <Wolf01> i sent him the whole msys folder XD 15:18:07 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 15:19:08 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-66.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:26:29 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B765E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:30:57 *** bulio [n=bulio@Sherbrooke-HSE-ppp3606822.sympatico.ca] has joined #openttd 15:31:35 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 15:32:27 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 15:39:40 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176112142.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:46:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77231.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:48:26 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B83E2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:50:23 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B83E2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:51:40 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3570D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 15:53:43 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176107024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:01:04 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3570D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:03:07 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B82C85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:03:08 *** scia_ [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 16:03:11 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82C85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:03:15 <Zavior> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/25/1440236 16:04:08 <anboni> eww 16:04:18 *** bulio is now known as bulio|out 16:04:19 <Zavior> Yes 16:05:36 <anboni> guess it's time to go through a bunch of sites and change my password :/ 16:06:52 <Born_Acorn> You use the same password everywhere? Thats silly. 16:07:16 <anboni> not everywhere, but yes there's a bunch of not-so-important sites where i use the same password 16:07:40 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1052.wfd81a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:08:42 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498DC89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:08:54 <Zavior> Well 16:09:03 <Zavior> Atleast I didn't have to time to register yet 16:09:24 <Zavior> -to 16:09:36 <peter1138> heh, i don't automatically register 16:10:02 <peter1138> and i use a throw-away-i-don't-actually-give-a-shit password for freenode 16:10:04 <hylje> good that i have a uniq passwd here 16:10:20 <peter1138> i only registered because of the stupid private message restriction, heh 16:10:49 <Darkvater> yeah, that's pretty dumb 16:11:08 <anboni> yeah, same here.. but i grabbed the password i use for a few other irc sites and some forums as well... gonna be way too many different passwords to remember otherwise:) 16:13:23 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:15:42 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@AC8F1DAF.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 16:20:35 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B765E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:18 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B765E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:25:35 <Wolf01> yumm stretched the day time to 8 secs and the industries have quadruple production XD 16:26:55 <peter1138> heh 16:27:08 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:27:32 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:27:41 <Wolf01> that is correct, a month take the quadruple as before 16:29:14 <Zavior> ;P 16:34:28 <Ihmemies> ahahaha I said 16:34:30 <Ihmemies> to these coop guys 16:34:44 <Ihmemies> at lesat 4 rails to each direction if they are going to convert to maglevs 16:34:54 <Ihmemies> well, they made 2 (while i wasn't around) and converted :F 16:34:57 <Ihmemies> now it's jammed to hell 16:35:27 <Zavior> k 16:35:44 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-230-40.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:35:57 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 16:38:29 *** Code601 [i=code601@cpc3-glen1-0-0-cust948.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:44:40 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 16:45:06 <black_Nightmare> anyone want take over an online co? just wondering (I'm wanting to quit soon and that I'll be out for several hours etc so :p) 16:45:38 <Sacro> version? newgrfs? 16:45:48 <black_Nightmare> just plain 0.4.7 :p 16:46:25 <Sacro> hmm, i would but the f1 is about to start 16:46:36 <black_Nightmare> heh its ok 16:46:54 <black_Nightmare> nothing major....can always let the server lasp my co into nothing .... I mean its just a game 16:47:00 <Sacro> hmm 16:47:06 * Sacro listens to Oh Canada 16:48:31 <black_Nightmare> how often you play anyhow sacro? 16:49:28 *** Zr40_ [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:51:40 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 16:58:03 *** Zr40__ [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:01:42 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 17:04:30 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:04:41 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit ["It's a new quit message!"] 17:06:11 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:06:49 * Ihmemies needs diagonal tunnels 17:07:27 * Ihmemies needs faster bridges 17:08:53 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@AC8F1DAF.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 17:12:48 *** Zr40_ [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:15:23 <SimonRC> anboni: I know the guy who invented Whitespace. 17:15:25 *** michi_cc [i=03c827ec@pdpc/supporter/student/michi-cc] has quit [] 17:15:30 *** michi_cc [i=b93f1c63@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 17:15:32 <Sacro> as in " "? 17:15:51 <anboni> cool 17:16:01 <SimonRC> Sacro: the programming language 17:16:59 <Sacro> SimonRC: ah 17:19:02 *** michi_cc [i=b93f1c63@pdpc/supporter/student/michi-cc] has quit [Client Quit] 17:19:12 *** michi_cc [i=6c977dd9@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 17:22:09 <anboni> hmm.. 20 days to unload and load... 17:22:47 *** Zr40__ [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:24:16 *** michi_cc [i=6c977dd9@pdpc/supporter/student/michi-cc] has quit [] 17:24:20 *** michi_cc [i=65ef8c8b@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 17:24:37 *** Belugas_Gone [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 17:25:19 *** michi_cc [i=65ef8c8b@pdpc/supporter/student/michi-cc] has quit [Client Quit] 17:25:23 *** michi_cc [i=92f4bea7@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 17:27:01 *** michi_cc [i=92f4bea7@pdpc/supporter/student/michi-cc] has quit [Client Quit] 17:27:27 *** michi_cc [i=145562b7@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 17:31:24 *** michi_cc [i=145562b7@pdpc/supporter/student/michi-cc] has quit [Client Quit] 17:33:29 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:33:59 *** michi_cc [i=6857f112@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 17:34:48 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:34:52 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181072025.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:34:58 *** michi_cc [i=6857f112@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Client Quit] 17:36:20 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 17:38:10 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:39:22 <CIA-3> tron * r5363 /trunk/ (clear_cmd.c rail_cmd.c tile.c tile.h): 17:39:22 <CIA-3> Revert 5312, 5288, 5248, 3992, 3249, 3228 17:39:22 <CIA-3> They were all aimed at fixing the terraform-into-tunnel problem, but introduced new sideeffects while doing so 17:39:42 <[Shaman]> rofl.. freenode highjacked: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/25/1440236&from=rss 17:40:44 <Wolf01> i see hijacked 17:41:11 <[Shaman]> yar, my typing sucks 17:42:17 <hylje> olde 17:42:27 <hylje> too bad i got disconnected while that happened 17:42:45 *** bulio|out is now known as bulio 17:44:23 <Wolf01> uhm, changing the #define DAY_TICKS 74 to something higher may have unwanted effects or only stretches the time? 17:44:59 <anboni> from the comments i read around that #define, i understand that the 74 was picked to prevent some value from wrapping 17:45:13 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:46:07 <Wolf01> if i use multiples of 74 i think that not changes soo much 17:46:18 <anboni> still will make that value wrap 17:46:27 <anboni> which could cause a lot of other things to mess up 17:46:42 <Sacro> Wolf01: you doing another daylength patch? 17:46:48 <Wolf01> yes :P 17:46:50 * Sacro quickly considers updating his 17:47:23 * peter1138 mutters at r5361 17:47:50 * Darkvater hides 17:48:15 <Darkvater> peter1138: svn switch from inside your branch to branches/ 17:48:42 <Sacro> Wolf01: theres "Sacros daylength patch" somewhere... 17:49:11 <Wolf01> i want to make the day longer so when i'll want to add an alpha layer for day-night cycle i can see it not flashing all the time 17:49:34 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B83E2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:49:40 *** zeme1 [n=zemei@dsl5400E8EF.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:50:09 <anboni> sure... trains are loading/unloading for 20 days straight (ok, 5 in your modified daylength), but at least we have day/night cycles :) 17:50:53 *** YoG [n=zevele@bzq-88-154-196-24.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #openttd 17:51:17 *** YoG [n=zevele@bzq-88-154-196-24.red.bezeqint.net] has left #openttd [] 17:51:25 <CIA-3> tron * r5364 /trunk/clear_cmd.c: Clean up r5363 17:51:41 <Wolf01> have you ever seen a train loading for 20 days? (in real world i mean) 17:52:00 <anboni> nope 17:52:16 <anboni> that's why i dont really see the need for an attempt at adding realism in day/night cycles :) 17:52:18 <Wolf01> have you ever seen a train taking 2 monts to drive for 500 km? 17:52:33 <Wolf01> so, daylenght patch make it more realistic 17:52:46 <Wolf01> i like realism 17:53:03 <peter1138> Darkvater: can't 17:53:52 <Sacro> Wolf01: im looking for mine 17:53:57 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/daylength_405.diff 17:54:04 <Wolf01> here is it XD 17:54:12 <peter1138> guess i'll have to do another load of checkouts ;p 17:54:27 <Sacro> hmm, yep :) 17:55:46 *** Code601 [i=code601@cpc3-glen1-0-0-cust948.belf.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:56:35 *** michi_cc [i=b4c24c1f@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 17:56:49 *** michi_cc [i=b4c24c1f@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Client Quit] 17:56:54 <peter1138> yay, original bridge terraform bug back :D 17:57:25 <Sacro> hehe 17:57:41 <peter1138> errr 17:57:44 <peter1138> s/bridge/tunnel/ o_O 17:57:57 <hylje> .> 17:59:52 <Tron> peter1138: yes, and my shiny new solution proofed faulty, too, in the last test before commit 17:59:53 <Tron> /: 18:00:26 <peter1138> :( 18:00:29 *** michi_cc [i=f52ad632@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 18:00:58 <peter1138> i wonder why it appears so hard to get right... 18:02:05 *** michi_cc [i=f52ad632@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Client Quit] 18:02:35 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 18:04:56 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E858.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:08:44 *** michi_cc [i=0b7bdd43@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 18:09:07 *** michi_cc [i=0b7bdd43@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Client Quit] 18:10:52 *** michi_cc [i=42df388d@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 18:11:47 *** michi_cc [i=42df388d@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Client Quit] 18:11:47 <Darkvater> peter1138: what do you mean you can't? 18:12:10 *** michi_cc [i=9f9c0077@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 18:12:17 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387D6CD.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:12:43 *** michi_cc [i=9f9c0077@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Client Quit] 18:13:06 *** michi_cc [i=0b7d201c@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 18:13:28 <peter1138> eh, worked now 18:14:06 <Darkvater> :) 18:14:57 <hylje> eheh 18:15:49 *** michi_cc [i=0b7d201c@pdpc/supporter/student/michi-cc] has quit [Client Quit] 18:15:56 *** michi_cc [i=8428de53@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 18:16:18 <scia> STAY! 18:16:21 <scia> :p 18:17:15 *** michi_cc [i=8428de53@pdpc/supporter/student/michi-cc] has quit [Client Quit] 18:20:52 *** michi_cc [i=aff66cba@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 18:21:29 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-230-40.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:21:49 *** michi_cc [i=aff66cba@pdpc/supporter/student/michi-cc] has quit [Client Quit] 18:22:55 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-230-40.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:24:07 *** michi_cc [i=670538a3@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 18:24:31 <scia> michi_cc: having trouble? 18:25:22 *** michi_cc [i=670538a3@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Client Quit] 18:25:44 *** michi_cc [i=d1fd67b3@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 18:25:47 <Wolf01> ok sacro, i think i have updated your patch to trunk, now i compile and try it 18:26:29 *** michi_cc [i=d1fd67b3@pdpc/supporter/student/michi-cc] has quit [Client Quit] 18:27:26 <Sacro> Wolf01: nice 18:27:49 <Wolf01> uhm options don't appear on configure patches.. 18:27:59 <Sacro> oh dear 18:28:24 <Wolf01> oh i found it 18:28:29 <Sacro> lol 18:28:35 *** BurtyB [n=chris@cpc3-nwrk1-0-0-cust410.nott.cable.ntl.com] has left #openttd [] 18:28:35 <Wolf01> is under another tab 18:28:35 <Wolf01> XD 18:29:25 <Wolf01> ok, it works 18:29:26 *** michi_cc [i=c792a493@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 18:29:32 <_bitwise> Well this is encouraging http://tgmandry.blogspot.com/2006/06/worlds-largest-foss-irc-network.html 18:29:58 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 18:30:04 <[Shaman]> _bitwise: -19:41:44- [[Shaman]]: rofl.. freenode highjacked: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/25/1440236&from=rss 18:30:08 <[Shaman]> yer.. an hour behind :P 18:30:22 <_bitwise> mea culpa 18:30:23 <[Shaman]> and yes I did typo there. 18:30:25 <_bitwise> :) 18:31:23 <Wolf01> good, the day length is about 70 seconds :D 18:31:44 <Wolf01> 16x 18:31:47 *** michi_cc_ [i=michi_cc@p57A2DB96.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:54 <hylje> actually 18:31:55 <hylje> > 18:58:32 Zavior> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/25/1440236 18:32:16 <hylje> and im a hour later than shammy 18:33:31 *** michi_cc is now known as michi_cc__ 18:33:36 *** michi_cc_ is now known as michi_cc 18:33:59 *** michi_cc is now known as michi_cc_ 18:34:09 *** michi_cc_ [i=michi_cc@pdpc/supporter/student/michi-cc] has quit [Client Quit] 18:34:22 <Wolf01> how i can set up tortoise to make patches of only what i changed in the last change? 18:34:31 *** michi_cc__ [i=c792a493@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [] 18:34:35 *** michi_cc [i=1178bd8e@pdpc/supporter/student/michi-cc] has joined #openttd 18:35:17 <[Shaman]> hylje: more than an hour :P 18:35:43 <hylje> your clock might be more wrong than mine 18:36:36 <[Shaman]> nah 18:36:50 <Wolf01> only if your clocks have different multiplier XD 18:36:53 <[Shaman]> -18:05:17- [Zavior]: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/25/1440236 on my clock 18:37:34 <anboni> does anyone happen to have a game with an example of a working 2 to 1 line merger? 18:37:58 <Wolf01> maybe i, but i don't remember 18:38:28 <Wolf01> i have about 60 savegames 18:38:33 <anboni> heh 18:38:56 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:39:07 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:39:16 <Wolf01> :O in the max day-length the coal mine produces about 6,000 tonnes at month 18:39:35 <hylje> :D 18:39:39 <hylje> realistic much 18:39:45 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:39:54 <Wolf01> is realistic when a day takes a real day XD 18:40:45 <hylje> yes 18:40:48 <hylje> lets bring it all to scale 18:41:05 <hylje> but let the user speed up the time up to current daylength in ottd 18:41:17 <Wolf01> yes you can configure it 18:41:23 <Wolf01> from 1x to 8x 18:41:41 <hylje> then what we need is realistic building time w/ rail 18:42:02 <hylje> and daytime / nighttime distinction 18:42:10 <Wolf01> yes that is the next step 18:42:32 <hylje> so it would be ideal to do revising at night 18:42:47 <hylje> and take passenger trains to depots at night 18:43:00 <hylje> since theres not many people going around at that time 18:43:03 <Wolf01> more passenger at day, less passengers at night 18:43:19 <Wolf01> more mail at night and less mail at day 18:43:20 <hylje> little to no at night 18:43:32 <hylje> maybe enough for one or two night trains 18:43:38 <hylje> but nothing like commuters 18:43:48 <Wolf01> i thought about 10% and 90% 18:44:00 <hylje> multiplayer would likely be harder to do with mass realism 18:44:26 <hylje> or -- at least -- less convenient 18:44:27 <Wolf01> i think i'll make it disableable 18:44:57 <Sacro> ooh, u discussing daylength? 18:44:58 <Wolf01> or if you want, you can set the multiplier to 1x so it don't changes too much from now 18:45:03 <Wolf01> yes 18:45:12 <Sacro> my patch work? 18:45:22 <hylje> bringing it all to scale would be possible with 3d gfx 18:45:25 <Wolf01> yes, and it is cool 18:45:47 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 18:46:22 <Wolf01> http://rafb.net/paste/results/HGtMJ792.html 18:46:23 <Wolf01> the changes are mixed with my transparency patch, so if you want to extract it you have to do it by hand :P 18:46:47 <Sacro> hmmm 18:50:16 <Wolf01> yeah, i played for 10 minutes and the year isn't finished yet 18:51:10 <Wolf01> now i can upgrade rail to monorail and maglev doesn't appear when i'm at half of the work 18:51:26 <hylje> im usually done monorail when maglev comes available 18:52:18 <Wolf01> and so 2090 is not so close, i can play for half a year to reach it 18:52:41 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387CA56.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:55:26 <Sacro> get RichK to add it to MiniIN, start a 2048x2048 game, and play for months :D 18:55:39 <Wolf01> XD 18:55:53 <Wolf01> now i'll try to make a clean patch 18:55:55 <Sacro> im serious :P 18:56:03 <[Shaman]> yar 18:56:08 <Sacro> why are there so many distros :( 18:56:08 <[Shaman]> that patch would be the BOMB 18:56:10 <hylje> SRSLY 18:56:10 <Sacro> yar? 18:56:15 <[Shaman]> YARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR 18:56:15 <Sacro> YA RLY 18:56:31 <Sacro> Wolf01: but if u do it...it'll get a new name :( 18:56:48 <Wolf01> i only updated yours 18:57:02 <Wolf01> so is still your invention 18:57:23 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 18:58:49 <CIA-3> tron * r5365 /trunk/clear_cmd.c: 18:58:49 <CIA-3> -Fix: It was possible to dig into a tunnel if certain rail combinations were ontop of it 18:58:49 <CIA-3> (Hopefully this time it works for real) 18:59:02 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Client Quit] 18:59:40 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 19:01:27 <Wolf01> what was the command to diff 2 folders with msys? 19:01:33 *** _bitwise [n=_bitwise@ipa16.6.tellas.gr] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]"] 19:01:46 <Wolf01> i tried diff from to > file 19:01:56 <Wolf01> but writes if files differs 19:02:02 <Wolf01> not in what differ XD 19:04:28 <Wolf01> oh, the -u parameter 19:04:36 *** michi_cc is now known as michi_cc-away 19:05:19 *** michi_cc-away is now known as michi_cc 19:07:30 <Sacro> Wolf01: i dont mind 19:07:37 <Sacro> diff -u from to 19:08:22 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:08:34 <Wolf01> http://rafb.net/paste/results/bIqyWy55.html here is the diff made from msys 19:08:47 <Wolf01> enjoy :P 19:08:51 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-66.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:09:21 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387CA56.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 19:09:42 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 19:09:55 <Sacro> that doesnt look to be a valid diff 19:10:02 <Sacro> you dont need to show matching files/folders 19:10:04 <Wolf01|AFK> is not a valid diff 19:10:16 <Sacro> eh? 19:10:46 <Sacro> also you appear to have crossed versions :S 19:10:54 <Wolf01|AFK> i made it with diff -u trunk my > file.diff 19:11:16 <Wolf01|AFK> because tortoise cannot diff folders 19:11:20 <Sacro> ahh, just use svn diff 19:11:58 <Wolf01|AFK> i'm going eating, i'll made a valid diff later 19:12:24 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:13:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B765E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:14:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B765E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:21:20 <Sacro> lol, ok 19:21:31 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit ["My BNC will keep you warm, vist #teamlag, #hexus.cs"] 19:21:54 * peter1138 boggles at the signal post guy 19:22:12 <SimonRC> where? 19:22:18 <Sacro> peter1138: the one i just replied to? 19:22:40 <peter1138> ea 19:22:43 <peter1138> +yh 19:23:54 <Sacro> lol 19:24:06 *** rubyruy [n=ruyasan@S0106000f66054cc0.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 19:25:32 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:28 *** rubyruy [n=ruyasan@S0106000f66054cc0.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:28:09 *** TL|Away [n=trueligh@truelight.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Upgrading client"] 19:33:58 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:13 *** Trenskow^ is now known as Trenskow 19:44:00 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 19:45:01 <bulio> anyone wanna tutor me ingame? 19:45:07 <bulio> I need some help building mainlines 19:47:03 <SpComb> lay track. 19:47:17 <hylje> yes lay more track 19:47:37 <hylje> and then use magic on tracks too stuck 19:47:39 <Brianetta> dbg: [NET] Trying to execute a packet in the past! 19:47:39 <Brianetta> openttd: network.c:1158: NetworkHandleLocalQueue: Assertion `0' failed. 19:47:58 <Brianetta> Happens when you try to join a server that's full. 19:48:02 <hylje> :o 19:48:09 *** fusey [i=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22"] 19:48:11 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 19:48:13 <Brianetta> If there's a space, the clienbt attempts it. If there'a a queue, it fails and asserts. 19:48:23 *** egladil_ibook [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:48:31 <hylje> could use some exception handling 19:49:22 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 19:50:09 <Ihmemies> http://www.kotiposti.net/ihmemies/roina/massive_gridlock.png 19:50:29 <Ihmemies> hilarious 19:50:30 *** ledow [n=ledow@jaimejwalker.plus.com] has joined #openttd 19:52:36 <hylje> :o 19:52:43 <hylje> elaborate 19:53:24 <anboni> is there a limit to the number of combo signals in a row that'll take their status from each other? 19:53:28 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:54:17 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:57:38 *** fusey [i=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:13 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit ["It's a new quit message!"] 19:59:18 *** egladil [n=egladil@81.230.154.31] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:01:25 *** fusey [i=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:03:11 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=Hagbard_@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:05:23 *** baske [n=baske@ip-81-11-187-247.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:06:13 <Sacro> anboni: dont think so 20:07:14 <anboni> you're probably right, turns out that after checking and doublechecking twice, i had one exit signal in the lot... those things are way too hard to distinguish :/ 20:08:10 <Sacro> hehe 20:09:21 <anboni> i need to merge one low traffic line into a high traffic line.. cant really afford having any trains on the high traffic line come to a full stop.. but that's pretty hard to get done reliably :/ 20:09:51 <Sacro> no it aint 20:10:32 *** dp_ [n=dp@p54B2DFB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:10:46 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3D36D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:10:50 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:10:52 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3DB3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:10:58 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 20:11:51 <anboni> Sacro, got any working examples? currently i have a priority block of 6 combo signals, which works okish, but every once in a while a train from the merging line sneaks in too early making the prio line come to a halt 20:12:09 <Sacro> anboni: no, best to check the co-op wiki 20:12:30 *** fusey [i=fusion@220.142.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has joined #openttd 20:15:55 <Wolf01> sacro, i made a valid diff 20:15:58 <Sacro> bulio: evening 20:16:02 <Sacro> Wolf01: ah good :) 20:16:45 <Wolf01> if you want to try it: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Sy7Dd080.html 20:17:47 <Sacro> it needs someting in saveload.c i think 20:18:01 <Sacro> i dunno, have to speak to some other devs, find out about network game handling 20:18:04 <Wolf01> no, it doesn't break savegames 20:18:51 <Sacro> i know it doesnt, but i dont thnk it works with network games, causes desyncs 20:19:06 <Wolf01> that's true 20:20:56 <Sacro> and thats what needs fixing mainly before its good for MiniIN 20:21:22 *** Walle [n=Walle@cust-247-56.dsl.versateladsl.be] has joined #openttd 20:21:27 <Walle> yay 20:21:43 <Wolf01> do you plan to fix it? i did the hard work by updating it to r6535 :P 20:22:54 *** Walle [n=Walle@cust-247-56.dsl.versateladsl.be] has left #openttd [] 20:22:54 <valhallazzzw> Walle: #openttdcoop, not #openttd :P 20:22:57 <valhallazzzw> argh 20:23:07 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2F7D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:23:08 *** dp_ is now known as dp-- 20:23:41 <Sacro> Wolf01: yeah, i did plan on fixing it 20:23:45 <Sacro> 6535 :|? 20:24:13 <Wolf01> maybe is 5364 20:24:29 <Wolf01> i don't know what i had into my mind 20:24:53 <Wolf01> i was reading bash.org XD 20:25:04 <Wolf01> maybe 6535 is from there XD 20:25:08 <Sacro> hehe 20:26:23 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387CCCD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:27:20 <Sacro> Wolf01: what needs doign then? 20:27:38 <Wolf01> the multyplayer thingy 20:28:03 <Sacro> ah yeah, hmm 20:28:07 <Sacro> ANY PATCH DEVS IN HERE :D 20:30:38 <Sacro> Wolf01: maybe best to read a few other patch's, see how they do it 20:31:56 *** egladil_ibook is now known as egladil 20:33:07 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B60ED3.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:34:22 <Sacro> egladil: hey 20:36:02 <egladil> hello 20:36:03 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@AC8F1DAF.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:36:44 <Sacro> you do patches dont you? 20:37:48 <egladil> sometimes, but not much lately (school and broken computer and stuff) 20:38:32 <Sacro> oh right, cos me and Wolf01 are trying to get the daylength patch to work on network games 20:39:17 <egladil> ok 20:41:05 <Wolf01> i think that the best solution is to lock the control in multyplayer and use the server's setting 20:41:10 <Wolf01> as other patches 20:42:40 <Sacro> Wolf01: yeah, but im not sure how to do that... 20:43:57 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@AC8F1DAF.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 20:45:29 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Odletam do paralelniho vesmiru..."] 20:45:45 <Sacro> hmm, just looking for a relevant patch to use 20:49:54 <Wolf01> what is the S or N or whatelse in SDT_VAR(Patches, day_length, SLE_UINT8, S, 0, 1, 1,16, STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_DAY_LENGTH, NULL), ??? 20:50:10 <Wolf01> after SLE_UINT8 20:50:33 <Sacro> did i right that line? 20:50:37 <Sacro> *write 20:50:44 <Wolf01> no 20:50:45 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 20:50:54 <Wolf01> is a line that i updated 20:51:12 <Wolf01> because is changed a lot since your patch 20:51:37 <Sacro> yeah i know 20:52:06 <Wolf01> in the header seems to be a flag, but what it does? 20:52:33 <Sacro> which file? 20:52:49 <Wolf01> settings.c/.h 20:52:57 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Client Quit] 20:53:16 <Sacro> i didnt touch settings.h 20:53:39 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 20:53:50 <Wolf01> no i'm looking in settings.h to know what are the various arguments 20:55:05 <Wolf01> 1,1,16 are the values i choose to set in the gui: std,min,max 20:55:22 <Sacro> i had 1,1,32 20:56:00 <Brianetta> #openttdcoop sandbox now has an advanced rolling password system 20:56:21 <peter1138> nice 20:56:47 <Brianetta> A new password every 5 minutes 20:56:57 <Brianetta> forcing players to visit the Wiki to get it 20:57:26 <Wolf01> somebody knows how to handle server side patches in multiplayer? 20:57:27 <Sacro> cool 20:58:38 <Sacro> http://www.datatek.net/Humor/How%20to%20write%20good 20:59:18 <Darkvater> OMG OMG 20:59:23 <Sacro> Darkvater: ? 20:59:26 <Darkvater> you have NOT seen such a football-game before 21:00:10 <Darkvater> totally insane, they were almost fighting. 4 red cards and 20!! yellow 21:00:13 <Darkvater> o_O 21:00:19 <Sacro> Darkvater: not for many years... i dont like football 21:00:35 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:01:03 <fusey> what game was this?? 21:01:11 <Darkvater> Netherlands - Portugal 21:01:15 <anboni> so is the nonsense over yet? or did "we" make it to the next round? 21:01:26 <fusey> 20 yellow jesus 21:01:29 <fusey> im gonna have to download that one 21:01:37 <Darkvater> anboni: we just got kicked 21:01:38 <Sacro> ooh, so are england against netherlands? 21:01:43 <Sacro> ah, portugal 21:02:17 <Darkvater> i can't get how retarded dutch players can play. Bunch of assholes 21:02:25 *** zeme1 [n=zemei@dsl5400E8EF.pool.t-online.hu] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:02:36 <Darkvater> and that faggot of a Kuyt can't even score a single goal...asshole 21:02:44 *** Frostregen_ [i=SADDAM@dslb-084-058-135-232.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:43 <Darkvater> just insane, totally insane 21:04:05 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 21:04:20 <glx> Sacro: england played against equador 21:05:06 <valhallazzzw> Darkvater: yes, we suck 21:05:38 <Wolf01> ehm sacro... /* Shortcuts for macros below. Logically if we don't save the value we also don't sync it in a network game */ 21:05:39 <Wolf01> #define S SLF_SAVE_NO | SLF_NETWORK_NO 21:06:18 <Sacro> Wolf01: ah, right 21:06:55 <Sacro> well then maybe it has to be saved 21:07:08 <peter1138> yay, spy who shagged me on C4 21:07:46 <Sacro> yeah i just put that on 21:07:56 <Wolf01> i'm trying on network game... the day is not sync'ed but the games not de-sync 21:08:37 <Sacro> hmm, well how to sync the day? 21:08:47 <Wolf01> i don't know :P 21:09:05 <Wolf01> but i know that the patch option is not disabled 21:09:35 <Wolf01> ok, it desynced 21:09:38 <Sacro> hmmm 21:09:42 <Wolf01> after 5 server's days 21:10:07 <Sacro> try pause, then connect, then unpause 21:10:07 <Wolf01> and as i can see, all thingyes are in day, not in ticks 21:11:06 <Wolf01> yes, the date is synched on connect 21:11:14 <Sacro> right 21:12:10 <Wolf01> is synched also if i use the same multiplier for the day_length 21:12:22 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:12:44 <Sacro> right 21:13:02 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:14:02 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 21:14:13 <RichK67> Darkvater ping 21:14:59 <Darkvater> WHAT 21:15:03 <Darkvater> dammit 21:15:06 * Darkvater is irritated 21:15:12 <[Shaman]> lol 21:15:22 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:15:34 <RichK67> so is RichK - your change to "branches" has broken the revision history 21:17:12 <glx> RichK67: what do you mean? 21:17:25 <Wolf01> sacro, we need also to use ticks for popups... otherwise we get the newspaper stay for 5 minutes on the screen, and chat strings too 21:17:58 <RichK67> when i do "show log" for an individual file, it just errors with "File not found : revision 5360, path '.... 21:18:18 <glx> did you 'switch' before? 21:18:21 <RichK67> yes 21:18:27 <Sacro> Wolf01: just divide it by _patches.daylength 21:18:40 <Wolf01> but is not good 21:18:41 <Darkvater> RichK67: you need to switch it to branches/ then it works 21:18:54 <Darkvater> RichK67: I know because I did so and it works perfectly 21:19:15 <Wolf01> A*B/B = A... use A directly 21:19:17 <RichK67> well, ive switched my TGP and MiniIN branches and both fail 21:19:32 <Darkvater> RichK67: then you did something wrong 21:19:48 <RichK67> try selecting one file, and do a show log... then do "show all" revisions 21:19:54 <RichK67> bombs every time 21:20:29 *** Frostregen [i=SADDAM@dslb-084-058-150-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:20:43 <Darkvater> weird it works 21:20:47 <Zr40> works fine here 21:20:50 <Darkvater> or it's not weird? 21:20:52 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 21:21:19 <RichK67> have you actually tried to show a history previous to r5361 on a branch? 21:21:26 <Darkvater> yes 21:21:30 <Darkvater> didn't I just say so? 21:21:50 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 21:21:59 <RichK67> well, its not working here, on all my 8 checkouts of branches 21:22:14 <Zr40> RichK67: assuming you're on windows, what do properties -> subversion tab -> URL say for such a file? 21:22:34 <RichK67> im doing a fresh checkout now of the MiniIN branch, and will confirm whether its SNAFU 21:22:46 <Sacro> do i make you horny baby :P 21:23:25 <peter1138> works for me, with a switched branch 21:23:29 <RichK67> Zr40: svn://svn.openttd.org/branches/MiniIN/airport_movement.h 21:24:10 <Zr40> that looks correct 21:24:11 <RichK67> show all just lists the 5361 snafu 21:24:27 <RichK67> yes, i know it does... i wouldnt complain if it was trivial 21:24:28 <Zr40> try unchecking 'stop on copy/rename' 21:25:12 <RichK67> ah.... yup, that got it, thanks.... as i said, not trivial 21:25:20 <Darkvater> so can I get an excuse now? 21:25:41 <RichK67> apols - but its a daft change IMO anyway 21:26:05 <RichK67> its not as tho someone will misunderstand "branch" for "branches" 21:26:21 <Darkvater> ... 21:26:55 <Zr40> if you notice a typo, you (try to) fix it 21:27:02 <Zr40> I assume Darkvater's reasoning was similar :) 21:27:40 <RichK67> its not a typo, and affects everybodies configs... its like a savegame version change squared ;) 21:28:00 <glx> RichK67: it affects only tortoise users :) 21:28:03 <Zr40> are savegame version changes fixed by svn switch? 21:28:35 <RichK67> glx: ah, of course, its "punish the windows users... ha ha" time ;) 21:28:53 <Darkvater> it's not svn's fault tortoisesvn is unable to cope with this 21:28:53 *** TL|Away [n=trueligh@truelight.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:29:07 <Darkvater> you know now how to fix it, so do it and stop complaining :) 21:29:07 <glx> I'm a "windows user", but I use svn cli 21:29:19 <RichK67> DV: :) 21:31:59 <RichK67> yeah, its a real problem now... before when i did "show log" for my MiniIN branch, it showed the MiniIN branch since creation... it now shows all revisions back to r1 21:32:43 <Darkvater> why do you use 'show all'? 21:32:48 <Darkvater> there is no use in that 21:33:06 <RichK67> i said show log 21:33:10 <Darkvater> you're much better off using http://svn.openttd.org/ :) 21:33:19 <Darkvater> show log only shows a maximum of 100 revisions 21:33:37 *** _Red is now known as Red 21:33:42 <RichK67> and you hassle me for not using an IDE... tortoise/showlog is in my IDE 21:33:43 <Darkvater> hi TL|Away 21:34:02 <TL|Away> hi Darkvater, and bye, if you have nothing to ask ;) 21:34:05 <Darkvater> I don't particularly like it for show log, too slow :) 21:34:10 <Darkvater> TL|Away: good night :) 21:34:47 <TL|Away> night :) 21:35:21 <RichK67> ah well... ill just have to live with it 21:35:21 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:35:31 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 21:37:23 <Darkvater> < going to bed 21:37:24 <Darkvater> gn all 21:37:26 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 21:39:35 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@AC8F1DAF.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 21:39:44 <SpComb> hmm 21:40:06 * SpComb pokes Born_Acorn 21:41:15 <Sacro> id wash your hands now 21:43:44 <hylje> so wash them 21:49:02 <Wolf01> i can't understand why the option is not deactivated 21:49:06 <Sacro> ? 21:49:39 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 21:49:44 <Wolf01> i cloned another option that is deactivated in multy 21:49:55 <Wolf01> but doesn't work 21:50:04 <Sacro> oh right 21:52:54 <SpComb> Sacro: I'd preferr it if I could wash my own hands myself 21:53:46 <Sacro> SpComb: hmm 21:53:58 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181097189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:57:47 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B60ED3.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:01:07 *** Ammler [n=irc@141-94.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:05:11 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181072025.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:05:37 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 22:07:26 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:12:26 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:16:27 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917057.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:19:33 *** paulsen [i=erik@host-81-191-45-251.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:25:22 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1052.wfd81a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.0 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 22:27:40 *** paulsen [n=erik@host-81-191-45-251.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 22:29:53 <ln-> http://ksenos.eu/~lauri/redarrows/ 22:31:47 *** jong [n=jong@130.89.169.40] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 22:33:12 <Wolf01> 'night 22:33:22 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host235-235.pool874.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 22:34:14 <[Shaman]> ln-: nice 22:34:20 <[Shaman]> slow connection tho :P 22:34:38 <ln-> yeah, i know :/ 22:35:13 <RichK67> http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1308778&forward=viewportfolio 22:35:20 <ln-> right now i'm replacing those files with scaled-down versions that are smaller in size. 22:35:33 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-165-190.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:38:43 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-230-40.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 22:41:39 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 22:43:57 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-152-211.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:46:27 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917057.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 22:48:39 *** paulsen [n=erik@host-81-191-45-251.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:50:09 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181097189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Client Quit] 22:51:07 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp24-101.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 22:54:03 <Eddi|zuHause> wtf means prudent? 22:54:23 <Triffid_Hunter> careful and sensible; marked by sound judgment; "a prudent manager"; "prudent rulers"; "prudent hesitation"; "more prudent to hide than to fight" 22:55:44 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 22:56:08 <Sacro> !dict prudent 23:03:53 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 23:05:54 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 23:05:57 <MeusH> hi 23:06:20 <Sacro> hi MeusH 23:06:47 <MeusH> does any of you here use mIRC? 23:07:07 *** christooss [n=matic@153.5.32.83] has quit ["Leaving."] 23:07:10 <Triffid_Hunter> MeusH: used to a bit back 23:07:28 <Triffid_Hunter> learnt pretty much all i could find about it, then moved on 23:07:58 <MeusH> Triffid_Hunter: a server window pops up at mIRC startup, but there is no freenode 23:07:58 <Sacro> MeusH: i used to 23:08:19 <MeusH> neither I can connect to freenode using /connect irc.freenode.net 23:08:31 <Triffid_Hunter> MeusH: why not? 23:08:38 <MeusH> I don't know why 23:08:52 <Triffid_Hunter> it tells you in the status window... 23:08:53 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:09:10 <MeusH> so how can I make mIRC connect a server on startup, then join several channels? 23:09:31 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 23:09:55 <Triffid_Hunter> MeusH: write a script. google will provide you with millions of tutorials 23:10:12 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 23:10:18 <MeusH> okay, but how to set it a startup script for mIRC? 23:10:29 <Sacro> i cant remember, i switched to HydraIRC 23:10:47 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 23:11:15 <Triffid_Hunter> MeusH: you can just set mirc to auto connect to a server at startup, then you just need your script to join your channels when you successfully connect 23:11:40 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 23:13:03 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [] 23:13:12 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 23:13:32 <Sacro> MeusH: any luck? 23:14:17 <MeusH> I had to type a "new server" data 23:14:32 <MeusH> IRC Server: irc.freenode.net 23:14:44 <MeusH> I clicked "ok" here, "join" there and I'm here :) 23:15:23 <valhallazzzw> MeusH: why use mirc? :X 23:15:36 <Sacro> that is true 23:16:21 <MeusH> dunno, valhallazzzw, what do you suggest? 23:16:44 <MeusH> I just had a keygen for mIRC from Belugas :) 23:16:50 <valhallazzzw> it has been a long time since I used a windows client 23:16:54 <valhallazzzw> but xchat is available 23:16:54 <Triffid_Hunter> MeusH: if you must use mirc, see what you think of http://triffid.funkmunch.net/mIRC/mircvision%20v1.3.mrc 23:16:59 <valhallazzzw> (and better scriptable) 23:17:09 <valhallazzzw> klient (non-free), also better scriptable 23:17:10 <valhallazzzw> kvirc 23:17:13 <MeusH> oh yes, xchat is amazing 23:17:19 <MeusH> but now I'm on windows 23:17:19 <valhallazzzw> (should have good scripting) 23:17:21 <valhallazzzw> yes 23:17:27 <valhallazzzw> then use xchat for windows 23:17:27 <glx> kvirc works well 23:17:31 <valhallazzzw> a non-official build 23:17:47 <glx> yeah official x-chat is not free 23:17:53 <MeusH> valhallazzzw: doesn't xchat for windows cost $$? 23:17:59 <valhallazzzw> it is open-source 23:17:59 <MeusH> oh okay 23:18:03 <valhallazzzw> so there are free builds ;) 23:19:44 <Sacro> i use HydraIRC under windows 23:21:07 <MeusH> Triffid_Hunter, that's a big nice script 23:21:20 <MeusH> but seems I'll go x-chat 23:21:27 <MeusH> mIRC isn't me-friendly 23:21:27 <Triffid_Hunter> MeusH: yeah i wrote it back in 2002 when i was still using windows 23:21:55 <Triffid_Hunter> there's a web server, file server and package manager in that directory too btw.. kinda why i got over mirc ;) 23:23:18 <Triffid_Hunter> I still use the debugging proxy (portforwardlog) from time to time 23:24:10 *** BJH__ [n=chatzill@e176107024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 23:27:19 <MeusH> hmm 13 new strings 23:27:34 <MeusH> gotta check who merged something cool :) 23:27:56 <RichK67> :) 23:28:30 <MeusH> wow 23:28:35 <MeusH> RichK67 :) 23:28:55 <RichK67> miracles do happen eh! 23:29:33 <Sacro> ? 23:32:18 <RichK67> new airports made trunk friday night 23:32:57 <Sacro> ah yes, openttd fell over due to a missing grf 23:33:55 <MeusH> RichK67: was it you who invented the airport group names? 23:33:57 <RichK67> hmm... i included it in the upload... did it need adding to the build script manually? 23:34:09 <MeusH> can you give me a... thesaurus(?) for "Hub airport"? 23:34:11 <RichK67> MeusH: nope - that is celestar's 23:34:12 <Sacro> i dont have a build script... 23:34:47 <Sacro> make && cp openttd ../Nightly && cp lang/english.lng ../Nightly && cd ../Nightly && openttd 23:34:49 <MeusH> anyway, does the Hub mean something like queue or ro-ro? 23:34:51 <Sacro> is aobut all i have 23:34:52 <RichK67> sacro: the file was in the commit, but the compile-build scripts probably needed to add it - a manual operation 23:35:02 <Sacro> RichK67: i build myself from svn 23:35:12 <RichK67> its in the SVN 23:35:29 <Sacro> i know, i just didnt notice it 23:35:33 <RichK67> check the commit log - airports.grf listed ;) 23:36:19 <RichK67> Hub - a central point about which things rotate - in airport terms, a big airport serving many major routes 23:36:21 <Sacro> hehe, i know 23:36:26 <SimonRC> MeusH: A hub airport is a major one in an air network. 23:36:36 <RichK67> i thought celestar's terms were good 23:36:42 <MeusH> thanks 23:36:55 <MeusH> these are good 23:37:07 <MeusH> I just need more info to translate them well 23:37:47 <MeusH> you see, english has one word "commuter", while there is "czlowiek dojezdzajacy do pracy (srodkami publicznego transportu)" in polish 23:38:00 <RichK67> lol 23:38:09 <MeusH> we just don't see some words 23:38:28 <MeusH> and vice-versa, we have some nice words that simply don't exist in some other langs :) 23:38:52 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176112142.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:39:20 <RichK67> the idea for the commuter airport is that it is like Docklands in London - a small inner city modern airport 23:39:44 <RichK67> so "inner city" may be better 23:42:02 <Eddi|zuHause> or just call it 'modern small airport' :) 23:42:23 <Sacro> hmm, my battery seems to be stuck at 8% and not charging 23:42:48 <Sacro> but then when i remove the plug, it says 3hours and 38 mins remaining 23:42:49 <Eddi|zuHause> throw it away, buy new one 23:44:24 <Sacro> ic ant afford it 23:44:29 <Sacro> im not sure how to tell if its borked or not 23:45:34 *** BJH__ [n=chatzill@e176107024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:46:07 <Eddi|zuHause> well, then simply test it ;) 23:46:30 <RichK67> well, if you get 3hr38min out of it, its only the recharge reporting thats dodgy 23:47:01 <Eddi|zuHause> several times full load and full unload can 'revive' an akku 23:47:25 <Eddi|zuHause> (is 'akku' an english word?) 23:47:52 <Eddi|zuHause> seems not 23:48:36 <Eddi|zuHause> in german, 'Akku' is short for 'Akkumulator', which means rechargable battery 23:48:38 <MeusH> Sacro: like Eddi said, use your mobile as long as possible, so the battery gets empty 23:48:46 <MeusH> then full load it 23:49:09 <Sacro> hmm, but then i fear it'll just die and take linux out with it 23:49:26 <Sacro> oh well, i guess thats what fsck is for 23:49:48 <Sacro> 0mins, 8% and yellow light on 23:50:00 <Eddi|zuHause> well, try not to have anything 'important' open 23:50:13 <Sacro> hmm, only XChat and gaim i think 23:50:41 <Eddi|zuHause> preferably nothing that has write access (like log files) 23:50:56 <Sacro> ooh, errm, hmm 23:51:00 <Sacro> im guessing syslog is running 23:51:04 <Sacro> and GNOME... 23:53:19 <MeusH> lang changes committed 23:53:24 <MeusH> but some are totally different 23:53:30 <MeusH> especially the helipad ones 23:53:40 <Sacro> hehe 23:53:44 <MeusH> I'm wondering how will polish tycoons react 23:54:52 <MeusH> brb, gotta check x-chat 23:54:55 *** MeusH [n=poiutre@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [] 23:55:47 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 23:55:52 <MeusH> hey 23:56:16 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:57:21 <Sacro> hey MeusH