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00:00:50 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=Hagbard_@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has left #openttd ["*Leaving Konversation*"] 00:02:08 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B3570D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:02:12 <MeusH> it's pretty late 00:02:12 <MeusH> cya 00:02:18 <MeusH> thanks for help, everybody 00:02:24 <lws1984> gnight 00:02:28 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:09:25 *** paulsen [i=erik@host-81-191-45-251.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 00:10:02 <Sacro> oooh, screen gone dark, wont be long left now... 00:10:42 <lws1984> heh? 00:12:47 <Sacro> lws1984: my battery has been stuck at 8-9% all day 00:12:57 <Sacro> someone suggested running it down and recharging it 00:13:03 <Sacro> so im running it down now :P 00:13:32 <lws1984> oooh 00:13:34 <lws1984> lol 00:13:45 <Sacro> 820mWh 00:13:46 <Sacro> :| 00:14:08 <Sacro> 3% 00:18:19 *** bovik_se [n=buslir20@h58n2c1o968.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 00:26:35 *** bovik_se [n=buslir20@h58n2c1o968.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [] 00:28:41 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-152-211.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:29:17 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 00:35:45 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-152-211.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:42:41 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 00:45:58 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 00:52:12 *** Vornotron is now known as Vornicus 00:54:11 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 00:54:13 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 00:54:20 <black_Nightmare> hm no brianetta :-/ 00:55:37 <paulsen> hmpf 00:55:48 <paulsen> the replace-function in openttd 00:56:10 <paulsen> when does it tell trains to go to depot to get upgraded? when the maintenance period is active? 00:56:23 <glx> it doesn't tell it 00:57:22 <paulsen> could you perhaps explain a little better? :P 00:57:25 <Vornicus> Only scheduled maintenance and user-initiated depot calls tell trains to go to the depot. 00:57:34 <paulsen> ok 00:57:47 <Vornicus> But when a train is due to get replaced, the next time it goes to a depot, it gets replaced. 00:57:53 <glx> it replace when train goes depot, but you need to send it in yourself if breakdown is off and "goto depot when breakdown is off" is disabled 00:59:02 <paulsen> ok, roger. thanks. 01:01:42 <Sacro> whose roger? 01:02:53 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 01:03:43 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:04:21 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 01:08:56 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-152-211.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 01:13:15 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 01:13:15 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:13:21 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 01:15:05 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:15:36 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-245-192.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:19:00 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 01:19:48 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:29:58 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-245-192.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 01:38:08 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["leaving"] 01:38:46 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:39:29 <paulsen> What does the "wagon removal" option do when replacing vehicles? 01:40:10 <glx> if the "new" train is longer in pixel, extra wagons are removed 01:40:46 <glx> so your train can still fit in the station 01:41:16 *** k-man [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has joined #openttd 01:41:19 <k-man> hello 01:41:32 <k-man> is there a list of keyboard shortcuts for openttd somewhere? 01:42:38 <Vornicus> There should be, on the wiki 01:43:37 <Vornicus> Wagon removal makes it so that, when replacing one locomotive (or, in certain sets, wagons) with another, the resultant train is no longer than the original train 01:43:47 <paulsen> ah 01:43:49 <paulsen> nice 01:43:49 <paulsen> :D 01:43:58 <Vornicus> I'm not sure how well it works. 01:44:08 <paulsen> I'll try 01:44:25 <k-man> oh, i can't find the list on the wiki 01:45:10 <glx> try to search for "shortcut" 01:45:47 <k-man> oh 01:45:50 <k-man> theres some there 01:45:52 <k-man> cool 01:46:00 <k-man> there ought to be a list of all shortcuts 01:47:32 <paulsen> Vornicus: worked excellent :D 01:47:46 <paulsen> is it safe to close the replace window when you've pressed "start replacing"? 01:48:01 <glx> yes 01:48:07 <paulsen> it will continue replacing? 01:48:24 <glx> it will continue all replacing 01:48:35 <paulsen> nice. 01:48:45 <glx> it's also stored in savegame 02:00:28 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 02:00:52 <k-man> theres some really nice features in openttd 02:00:58 <k-man> i'm impressed 02:09:22 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 02:09:22 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:13:39 *** guru3_ [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #openttd 02:13:58 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:18:54 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 02:27:01 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 02:45:19 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:48:25 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 02:53:38 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:01:06 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498E0A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:19:34 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498DC89.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:46:16 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-209-193.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! 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05:58:25 <CIA-3> miham * r5366 /trunk/lang/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 05:58:25 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-06-26 07:55:30 05:58:25 <CIA-3> afrikaans - 293 fixed, 13 changed by TrueTenacity (306) 05:58:25 <CIA-3> dutch - 13 fixed by webfreakz (13) 05:58:25 <CIA-3> hungarian - 13 fixed by miham (13) 05:58:26 <CIA-3> italian - 13 fixed by sidew (13) 05:58:28 <CIA-3> polish - 13 fixed by meush (13) 05:58:48 <MiHaMiX> turkish - 14 fixed, 1 changed by jnmbk (15) 05:59:39 <MiHaMiX> Total I18N Status: 94% - 4095 bad strings out of 73500 strings 06:00:40 *** roboboy is now known as roboman 06:09:16 <MiHaMiX> hylje: ;P 06:10:02 *** k-man [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:27:45 *** Ammler [n=irc@25.147.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 06:34:27 <roboman> bye 06:41:10 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 06:42:26 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Client Quit] 06:46:57 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 06:47:18 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:49:09 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917057.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 06:53:02 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 06:57:33 *** Hendy [n=wolfox@202.43.227.24] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:59:24 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@81.183.137.152] has joined #openttd 06:59:34 *** Hendy [n=wolfox@202.43.227.24] has joined #openttd 07:00:45 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 07:03:33 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 07:03:34 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:08:18 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:13:55 <Richlv> Trenskow, yeah ? :) 07:14:19 <Trenskow> hehe... i've made the filter patches for the MiniIN branch 07:14:25 <Trenskow> how do you wan't it ? 07:14:31 <Trenskow> want 07:14:33 <Trenskow> = get 07:15:23 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 07:16:47 <Richlv> Trenskow, um, i suppose you want somebody with a nick 'richk', right ? 07:17:04 <Trenskow> Richlv, doh 07:17:05 <Trenskow> :D 07:17:06 <Trenskow> sorry 07:23:39 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181097189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 07:26:28 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 07:38:07 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:42:51 *** Wolfox [n=wolfox@202.43.227.24] has joined #openttd 07:43:23 *** Hendy [n=wolfox@202.43.227.24] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 07:46:58 *** guru3_ is now known as guru3 07:49:17 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has joined #openttd 07:55:47 *** eleusis [n=eleusis@l3-202-89-185-126.arach.net.au] has quit [Client Quit] 08:12:40 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 08:30:31 *** Richk67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:31:59 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 08:35:39 *** HackyKid [i=Hackykid@dyn-104170.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 08:40:17 <peter1138> the kid of hacks 08:43:41 <Richk67_wrk> ? 08:50:34 <peter1138> mr hackykid 08:50:41 *** Wolfox [n=wolfox@202.43.227.24] has quit ["Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't understand it"] 08:50:52 <HackyKid> heh 08:57:49 <Richk67_wrk> bbl 09:25:29 *** egladil [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:29:54 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 09:30:27 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Client Quit] 09:44:30 *** gigajum [i=lucy@dslb-084-056-143-202.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 09:48:15 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:00:12 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83E2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:02:44 *** nlhans [n=webroom@82-217-1-137.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:02:51 <nlhans> hey 10:16:08 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B83E2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:16:08 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83E2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:16:16 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:16:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 10:16:30 <Darkvater> good day to you sirs 10:17:25 <hylje> oh noes 19:32:20 *** SpComb [i=terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 19:33:04 <CIA-3> richk * r5373 /branches/MiniIN/ (patches/MiniINpatches.zip rail_cmd.c rail_map.h variables.h): 19:33:04 <CIA-3> [MiniIN]: [AutoComplete]: Update to Signal Autocomplete patch to be ready for Signal GUI. 19:33:04 <CIA-3> Thanks to Hazelrah for the update. 19:33:36 <Sacro> RichK67: you looked at daylength patch? 19:33:53 <RichK67> give me chance 19:34:09 * peter1138 notes the 'bad signal with track above a bridge end' bug only appears when a train's inside the tunnel 19:34:43 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:49 <scia> Heya! 19:34:55 <peter1138> and even then not always 19:35:06 <lws1984> Heya! 19:35:16 <peter1138> > home 19:37:05 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 19:37:53 <Sacro> RichK67: hehe, ok 19:41:16 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B35890.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:04 <RichK67> wakey wakey CIA 19:44:16 <lws1984> CIA-3? 19:44:18 * Sacro prods CIA-3 19:44:20 <lws1984> are you there? 19:44:22 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 19:44:25 * lws1984 pokes CIA-3 19:44:27 * Sacro kicks CIA-3 19:44:44 * lws1984 kicks CIA-3 with a steeltoed boot 19:44:48 <RichK67> nope - its missed my r5374 19:44:54 *** bulio [n=bulio@unaffiliated/bulio] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:45:15 <RichK67> lol - i read that as "steeltoed bot" 19:45:34 <CIA-3> richk * r5374 /branches/MiniIN/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [MiniIN]: [Planeset1.5]: Update to allow creation of Osprey at helidepot and helistation. 19:45:35 <CIA-3> ow 19:45:43 <Sacro> hehe 19:45:50 <Sacro> now THATS lag 19:45:55 <Wolf01> code message for RichK67: transparency -> miniIN 19:47:02 <RichK67> hi wolf - can you prepare a miniin version of the patch...? 19:47:11 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 19:47:17 *** Belugas_Gone [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:47:32 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 19:47:59 <Wolf01> i think that should work the patch that is in the development forum 19:48:15 <Wolf01> if it doesnt i make a miniin version 19:49:02 <RichK67> it doesnt apply to miniin - i tried - but i use tortoise, so patch may apply it, but i hate command lines with a passion 19:50:17 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:50:58 <RichK67> sacro: same goes for daylength patch - can you send me a miniin version? 19:51:19 <anboni> RichK67, did you happen to try my station stats patch? 19:51:23 <Sacro> RichK67: cant tortoise set fuzziness? 19:51:39 <RichK67> i cant find an option for it :( 19:52:00 <RichK67> its probably under "patch preferences" rather than options... ;) 19:53:10 *** MeusH[away] is now known as MeusH 19:53:11 <MeusH> back 19:54:11 <ln-> developers, attention. 19:54:20 <Sacro> RichK67: http://tt-forums.net/download.php?id=50922 19:54:27 <RichK67> try hello - works better ;) 19:54:52 <RichK67> ty 19:55:11 <MeusH> Sacro: you asked about X and Y values 19:55:14 <Sacro> attention campers :P 19:55:18 <Sacro> MeusH: yes 19:55:32 <MeusH> map size in tiles is: width = 2^X, height = 2^Y 19:55:55 <Sacro> MeusH: i know, i just wondered why it was in patch options, as well as main screen, AND in TGP options :| 19:56:01 <MeusH> is X = 9 then map width will be 512 19:56:22 <RichK67> its a mess, isnt it ;) 19:56:23 <MeusH> Sacro: this is one of the annoyances waiting to be fixed 19:56:34 <MeusH> Celestar said he will do a cleanup after... 0.5.0... or 0.6.0 19:56:36 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit ["In the end, all that matters is your relation with God..."] 19:56:39 <RichK67> hopefully, TGP will become king ;) 19:56:43 <ln-> dear developers, what do you think it would be like to develop OpenTTD without having any contact info to other devs, you could only read the svn log to see what has changed? 19:56:47 <RichK67> for that anyway 19:57:23 <Sacro> ln-: it'd be...interestingly chaotic 19:57:36 <ln-> Tron, peter1138: comments? 19:57:56 <peter1138> ln-: isn't that how it is? :P 19:58:22 <MeusH> ln-, let me voice in spite the fact that I'm not an OpenTTD developer: This will both speed up and slow down developement :? It will be faster because there will be noone to voice objections. However, if there are some problems, developer won't be able to rely on any other developer for help 19:58:39 <MeusH> anyway, it will be a mess 19:59:02 <ln-> peter1138: for translations, it is. i thought it wouldn't be that way for the code. 19:59:04 <MeusH> now the developement isn't that fast, but hopefuly OpenTTD is not a chaos 20:00:09 <Wolf01> RichK67: here is transparency+daylength for miniIN http://rafb.net/paste/results/YDSvy098.html 20:00:22 <RichK67> sacro: what is effect of use of daylength on network games??? should it work? 20:00:34 <RichK67> ty wolf 20:00:44 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84D9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:00:56 <ln-> my point is actually: translators of the same language don't necessarily know anything about each other, and mihamix refuses to give contact info to other translators. 20:01:10 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:01:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:02:00 <MeusH> yeah, that's true, I know nothing about the other translator 20:02:03 <MeusH> even his nick 20:02:17 <MeusH> but MiHaMiX never refused to give me his data 20:02:20 <MeusH> I just didn't asked for it 20:02:39 <RichK67> wolf - sorry, i need transparency on its own, not with daylength 20:02:47 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176113170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:02:50 <MeusH> I don't really care, he didn't do any change since I became a translator 20:03:02 <Bjarni> MeusH: I read that as you don't care for other people :P 20:03:06 <RichK67> i will submit daylength seperately, so it can be removed if necessary 20:03:10 <MeusH> MiHaMiX says maybye I'm too fast and he didn't had a chance to contribute :) 20:03:42 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84D9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:03:44 <MeusH> Bjarni: of course I care, I even made a wiki page, but that dude probably didn't even jump in 20:03:54 <MeusH> I'd like to know more about him but he's just absent 20:04:52 <Sacro> RichK67: daylength has been shoved onto dev forum 20:06:07 <MeusH> RichK67: please take a look at http://bugs.openttd.org/task/220 20:06:26 <Wolf01> uhm, something blocked day_length multiplier, it can't be more than 8 20:06:32 <MeusH> there is a newer version of patch in comments 20:06:38 <Sacro> Wolf01: meaning? 20:06:41 <MeusH> you know, a small GUI bugfix 20:06:53 <Wolf01> 1 to 8 20:06:57 <Wolf01> instead 1 to 32 20:07:00 <MeusH> in seconds? 20:07:43 <Sacro> MeusH: x DAY_TICKS 20:07:52 <MeusH> allright 20:08:09 <MeusH> isn't one day around 33 ticks? 20:08:15 <Sacro> 37 20:08:20 <RichK67> MeusH: yeah, good point. yes, ill commit it in a mo 20:08:28 <MeusH> thanks RichK67 20:09:16 <MeusH> Sacro: then 1 to 8 will make the time go faster, won't it? 20:09:34 <Sacro> MeusH: its not a multiplier,its a divisor 20:09:40 <MeusH> ahh, I see 20:09:44 <Wolf01> why is changed automatically from 32 to 8 i don't know 20:09:47 <MeusH> so can't one make a day faster? 20:09:52 *** dp_ [n=dp@p54B2E496.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:10:02 <MeusH> seems 0.5 is impossible if x is a integer 20:10:08 <Sacro> well, you could, i did at one point, but it seemed a silly idea 20:10:29 <Sacro> 32 x quicker, a month as fast as a day 20:10:31 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 20:10:35 <black_Nightmare> anyone seen brianetta? 20:10:38 <MeusH> :P 20:10:45 <MeusH> no I haven't 20:10:48 <Sacro> i see him 20:10:51 <Sacro> !seen Brianetta 20:10:54 <MeusH> where? 20:10:57 <Sacro> MSN 20:11:02 <MeusH> it looks like a plane for me 20:11:12 <black_Nightmare> hrm..and I was wondering about trying his server one more time...oh well 20:11:15 <black_Nightmare> never mind that 20:11:32 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: brianetta hasnt seen him :S 20:11:35 <Sacro> which server? 20:11:44 <black_Nightmare> the nightly one 20:11:55 <RichK67> hmm - daylength appears to load ok 20:12:01 <Wolf01> [22:10:33] <Sacro> 32 x quicker, a month as fast as a day 20:12:01 <Wolf01> the multiplier multiplies the day_ticks required for a day 20:12:40 <Wolf01> so a day can be slow as a month 20:12:43 <Sacro> Wolf01: errm, yeah 20:13:19 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3E16F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:36 <Wolf01> i have to correct some points, wait for a new patch... or better, two independent patches 20:13:56 <RichK67> appears to work too - at /8 1 day = 18secs, at /2 1 day = ~4-5secs 20:15:01 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 20:15:09 <Sacro> RichK67: should work up to /32 day 20:15:15 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Odletam do paralelniho vesmiru..."] 20:15:16 <Sacro> except it takes aaaaaaaaaaaaages for a new day 20:15:44 <Sacro> the only problem being is you make money 32x more, but running costs arent increased 20:16:06 <MeusH> ;) 20:16:34 <CIA-3> richk * r5375 /branches/MiniIN/ (20 files in 4 dirs): 20:16:34 <CIA-3> [MiniIN]: [Daylength]: Added Sacro's Daylength patch. 20:16:34 <CIA-3> Many thanks for MiniIN version of patch. Savegame version increased to 34, and daylength stored as SDT_CONDVAR. 20:16:57 <Sacro> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT :D 20:22:32 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2DFB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:22:32 *** dp_ is now known as dp-- 20:26:40 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D36D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:30:17 <RichK67> MeusH: ive gone for "airport has no runway" ... gives the real reason why an aircraft cannot/should not be built 20:30:58 <glx> RichK67: it would be better to not have aircraft in the build list 20:31:28 <RichK67> it would, but that was beyond my skills ;) if someone else wants to program that.... patch away ;) 20:33:10 <MeusH> RichK67: this one is good, too 20:33:27 <MeusH> glx: no aircraft in the build list won't do the trick 20:33:32 <MeusH> as it would be just a GUI change 20:34:02 <MeusH> RichK67: "airport has no runway" is good 20:34:05 <MeusH> patch it :) 20:34:45 *** MeusH is now known as MeusH[away] 20:37:56 <Wolf01> RichK67: here is the daylength corrected: http://rafb.net/paste/results/qY04gM16.html 20:38:09 <Wolf01> now the transparency 20:38:15 <RichK67> lol - daylength is already committed ;) 20:38:29 <Wolf01> .... but has some errors 20:38:35 <Wolf01> i told you 20:40:34 <RichK67> ah... not quite, but is it just that it needs to limit to 32 20:41:14 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:41:36 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387CCCD.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:41:56 <Sacro> it should limit to 32 20:42:05 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit ["It's a new quit message!"] 20:43:09 <RichK67> wolf - i cant get a clean download from that interface, please provide a straight .diff or .patch please 20:43:46 <Frostregen> RichK67: there's an update to the copy&paste patch in the miniIN thread 20:44:09 <RichK67> arrrghhh.... one at a time please ;) 20:44:22 <Wolf01> can you wait until i made a diff of the transparency? 20:44:39 <RichK67> yeah, transp is more important 20:44:48 <Frostregen> just a reminder 20:44:49 <RichK67> but .diff or .patch file pls :) 20:45:06 <RichK67> frost - give me a break... you are way down the list ;) 20:45:16 <RichK67> but at least you are on it ;) 20:45:28 <anboni> what about me? what's my position on the list?:) 20:45:43 <Frostregen> np, i just thought it is not much work ;) 20:45:53 <RichK67> every time someone asks, they slip a position ;) :) 20:46:07 <Frostregen> hehe 20:46:24 <anboni> bummer :) 20:46:54 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 20:56:22 <ln-> http://static.flickr.com/64/167011569_837bc20969_o.jpg 20:57:09 <peter1138> RichK67: http://fuzzle.org/o/freighttrainsminiin.diff 20:57:20 <[Shaman]> lol ln-.. 20:57:33 <peter1138> (Hmm, although the adjustment step in the patches window is... 5??) 20:58:51 <CIA-3> richk * r5376 /trunk/ (aircraft_cmd.c lang/english.txt): - Fix: Changed error message when trying to build a CTOL aircraft at a helidepot/helistation to "Airport has no runway". (Thanks to MeusH). Osprey can now be built at helidepot/helistation. (Thanks to mart3p). 21:00:35 *** znikoz [i=1@npa223.kv.ukrtel.net] has quit [] 21:01:04 <RichK67> peter: applied fine 21:01:19 <peter1138> not sure on the patch setting thing... not done much with that, heh 21:01:37 <RichK67> patch setting? 21:01:52 <peter1138> yeah. hmm. 21:02:04 <peter1138> hmm, previous version of that diff: r2902 o_O 21:02:14 <RichK67> ah - do you mean the settings.c entry? 21:02:25 <RichK67> looked fine to me 21:02:39 <peter1138> 's what i thought 21:02:40 <peter1138> but in the gui 21:02:45 <peter1138> it changes 5 at a time 21:02:49 <peter1138> when 1 is plenty, heh 21:03:01 <peter1138> maybe the range is too large 21:03:04 <RichK67> ah.... yes, i dont like that - its cos it does 1/50th of range 21:03:08 <RichK67> per step 21:03:09 <peter1138> hmmm 21:03:20 <peter1138> well, limiting it to 15 to 30 would be *plently* 21:03:25 <RichK67> hence dates go up in about 3year jumps :( 21:03:43 <peter1138> *or 21:03:46 <Sacro> which patch are we discussing? 21:03:51 <peter1138> freighttrains :) 21:03:54 <RichK67> freight trains 21:04:00 <Sacro> ahh, makes them heavier? 21:04:03 <peter1138> yeah 21:04:07 <RichK67> its a weight multi 21:04:25 <Sacro> ahh, nice, and with TE, will make a big challenge 21:04:36 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 21:04:37 <peter1138> yeah... does miniin have te? 21:04:47 <Sacro> peter1138: no, but it should 21:04:48 <RichK67> te? 21:04:51 <peter1138> hmm 21:04:53 <peter1138> tractive effort 21:04:54 <Sacro> RichK67: tractive effort 21:04:58 <RichK67> ooh... gimme 21:05:11 <Sacro> peter1138: MiniIN UKRS Server :D 21:05:17 <peter1138> :D 21:05:23 <anboni> oh boy.. will we be seeing trains going backwards on upslopes?:) 21:05:28 <peter1138> hehe 21:05:34 <Sacro> hmm, ISO has unsaved data...even though i just burned it 21:05:45 <Sacro> anboni: reminds me of theme park... 21:05:48 <RichK67> lol - time to expand the patches window ;) 21:05:53 <peter1138> lol 21:06:05 <RichK67> damn you :p ;) 21:06:13 <anboni> maybe add a new tab in the patches window.. "realism settings"? 21:06:20 <peter1138> not really 21:06:23 <peter1138> nothing is real ;p 21:06:38 <Sacro> :O you take that back, OpenTTD is quite real 21:06:52 <peter1138> hmm 21:06:57 <peter1138> compiling a 2.6 kernel is fecking slow 21:07:30 <Sacro> hmm, whats the mininmum system for OTTD 21:07:41 <Sacro> kernel, glibc, OpenTTD, SDL? 21:08:08 <peter1138> uh 21:08:11 <peter1138> try it ;p 21:08:17 <Sacro> hehe, see what i can remove before it bails 21:08:22 <peter1138> hmm, sdl with framebuffer 21:08:32 <Sacro> i wonder if i even need init, or bash 21:08:38 <Sacro> init=/usr/bin/openttd 21:08:39 <peter1138> i wonder if that would be a decent speed 21:08:43 <hylje> ascii ottd 21:08:44 <hylje> :b 21:08:51 <Sacro> hylje: hehe 21:08:56 <peter1138> svgalib ftw 21:08:59 <Sacro> i hear its been done 21:10:14 <Wolf01> ok i had to patch by my hand the miniIN to make a working patch 21:10:21 <Wolf01> now i try if works 21:11:29 <Sacro> could add the physics patches to MiniIN 21:11:33 *** Nubi [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 21:11:33 <Sacro> that'd be ace 21:11:43 <peter1138> 'cept for its issues 21:11:46 <peter1138> woo, kernel built! 21:11:50 <peter1138> now the modules, i guess 21:11:52 * Sacro considers trying to mke an OpenTTD livecd in under 10MB 21:12:04 <peter1138> liveusbkey :D 21:12:05 <hylje> livecd? aim for livefloppy 21:12:22 <Sacro> hylje: not including grfs...maybe 21:12:41 <HackyKid> autodownload the grfs :-) 21:12:45 <hylje> :-) 21:12:55 <peter1138> hmm, that'll need a download-grf-to-memory feature 21:12:56 <Sacro> HackyKid: but then there's licencing issues 21:13:02 <Sacro> ramdisk :P 21:13:13 <CIA-3> richk * r5377 /branches/MiniIN/ (9 files in 3 dirs): 21:13:13 <CIA-3> [MiniIN]: [FreightTrains]: Added freight trains weight multiplier. 21:13:13 <CIA-3> Thanks to peter1138 for MiniIN version of patch. 21:13:19 <Sacro> whoo RichK67 21:13:28 <Kjetil> Can openttd run i FB ? 21:13:53 <RichK67> sacro: i dont know if the physics patches will interfere with sirkoz's real acceleration... do you know? 21:13:54 <Sacro> Kjetil: yep 21:13:55 <peter1138> should do, via SDL 21:14:03 <Sacro> RichK67: as far as i know its switchable 21:14:12 <peter1138> 's not 21:14:16 <Kjetil> and does SDL compile on µclibc ? 21:14:22 <peter1138> the physics patches wipe out the original realistic acceleration 21:14:30 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 21:14:30 <hylje> can sdl command the gfx card directly? 21:14:32 <peter1138> (despite me pestering him to make it an option :s) 21:14:47 <peter1138> no 21:14:55 <RichK67> ok - thanks peter... ill stick with sirkoz for the moment then 21:15:00 <RichK67> go with what i know 21:15:08 <peter1138> it's the simple direct medialayer that's not exactly direct... 21:15:17 <hylje> :D 21:15:32 <peter1138> and with the nvidia drivers in X, you can't even do DGA any more :( 21:15:41 <hylje> dga? 21:15:46 <peter1138> direct graphics access 21:15:58 <peter1138> an X extension 21:16:03 <hylje> :x 21:16:03 <Kjetil> isn't DGA depreceated ? 21:16:14 <hylje> so it has to go through ogl ? 21:16:16 * Wolf01 ftp://wolf01.game-host.org/IMG_HOST/transparency_miniIN.diff 21:16:16 * Wolf01 ftp://wolf01.game-host.org/IMG_HOST/daylength_miniIN.diff 21:16:24 <Wolf01> here are the patches RichK67 21:16:27 <peter1138> it's always been ... not used much... cos it needs root access, heh 21:16:30 <RichK67> great thanks 21:16:32 <peter1138> but it's *fast* 21:16:49 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B7549A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 21:16:57 <Kjetil> I used to run mplayer with DGA :P 21:18:48 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Success] 21:21:24 <Sacro> LOL 21:21:28 <Sacro> *lol, brb 21:21:29 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-209-236.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 21:28:05 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B84D9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:28:18 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-209-236.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:29:30 <CIA-3> richk * r5378 /branches/MiniIN/lang/english.txt: [MiniIN]: Replacement of tabs with spaces in english.txt. 21:29:33 <Sacro> hmm 21:30:36 <Sacro> wish someone would run a MiniIN server with Brianettas GRF set 21:32:43 <[Shaman]> I could. 21:32:51 <[Shaman]> Given I have the right revision etc :P 21:32:58 <peter1138> I could, too 21:33:01 *** bjarni_ [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:33:10 <Sacro> arrgh its a bjarni_ 21:33:28 <Sacro> [Shaman]: peter1138: go on then :P 21:33:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B7549A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:33:44 <Sacro> i would if i had a machine i could leave running 21:34:07 <peter1138> i might 21:34:09 <peter1138> hmm 21:34:10 <anboni> what kind of bandwidth does an openttd server chew? 21:34:38 <Eddi|zuHause> about 3kb/s per client, plus transferring savegames on connect 21:34:46 <CIA-3> richk * r5379 /branches/MiniIN/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 21:34:46 <CIA-3> [MiniIN]: [Daylength]: Corrections to daylength patch. 21:34:46 <CIA-3> Thanks to Wolf01 for MiniIN patch. 21:34:50 <[Shaman]> 2kbps/client at semi-idle state, more when transfering maps 21:34:54 <Sacro> corrections? 21:35:21 <peter1138> so, er, what's the version to use? 21:35:23 <[Shaman]> but then I'd want to have a 'working' version of that autopause thing Brianetta made 21:35:27 <Wolf01> i had to patch about the whole diff by hand 21:35:49 <RichK67> yeah, it can get awkward 21:35:52 <Sacro> peter1138: use the precompiled versions, updated twice weekly 21:35:55 *** Nubi [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:36:00 <Sacro> Wolf01: i just told it to be more fuzzy 21:36:00 <peter1138> 5345's old ;( 21:36:15 <[Shaman]> I'm tempted to 'wait' untill a new load of patches are in MiniIN (and work properly) 21:36:23 <RichK67> :P 21:36:31 <peter1138> 'twas built today... 21:36:36 <peter1138> when's the next, richk? 21:36:49 <Sacro> Wolf01: why the revert in trolly.c? 21:36:50 <RichK67> thurs 9am BST 21:36:53 <peter1138> poo 21:36:57 <peter1138> svn up -r5366 21:36:58 <peter1138> er 21:36:58 <Sacro> :| thats miles away 21:37:07 <Sacro> peter1138: this isnt bash :P 21:37:12 <hylje> wrong terminal? ive seen that too much lately 21:37:14 <[Shaman]> thursday isn't -that- far away tho. 21:37:30 <[Shaman]> gives a few days to properly test the patches being added now 21:38:30 <anboni> hmm.. i wonder if improved loading could be further improved for large volume stations... 21:38:43 <RichK67> peter: is a patch var with the S flag saved, or not? 21:38:59 <peter1138> RichK67: no idea 21:39:07 <RichK67> lol 21:44:04 *** HackyKid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:45:26 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B35890.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:45:35 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-209-236.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:47:23 <Ihmemies> is it 10000hp per engine with 2-engine mono/maglevs etc? 21:47:32 <Ihmemies> or is it 10000 for both engines total? 21:48:11 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-209-236.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:48:13 <glx> Ihmemies: multi-head in buying list? 21:48:27 <Sacro> for sale, 1 verbatim coaster 21:48:31 <Sacro> 52x 21:48:34 *** MeusH[away] is now known as MeusH 21:48:41 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:48:52 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181105175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:48:59 <Ihmemies> yes 21:49:01 <Wolf01> uhm, how works the miniIN new loading thing? 21:49:07 <peter1138> hmm 21:49:15 <glx> Ihmemies: it's the total the 21:49:16 <glx> n 21:49:19 <peter1138> 51ms for a 9x8 map on a 1GHz celeron 21:49:21 <peter1138> not bad 21:49:38 <peter1138> Sacro: does that miniin server work? 21:49:51 <Ihmemies> ok.. is there any difference if the wagons are between the engines, or 2 engines next to each other? 21:49:53 <peter1138> dunno if it's any good 21:49:58 <Ihmemies> or if the engines push the wagons instead of pulling? :D 21:50:16 <glx> I don't think so 21:50:17 <Ihmemies> does it matter at all? ;) 21:50:18 <Sacro> peter1138: sorry, my laptop locked up, which revision/grfs? 21:50:25 <peter1138> lol 21:50:54 <peter1138> last binary rev, the usual ukrs grfs, pw of orange 21:51:02 <peter1138> and now, i go to sleep 21:51:35 <Sacro> hehe 21:51:54 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has quit [] 21:53:37 <RichK67> woo - transparency is cracking :) 21:54:01 <Wolf01> is what? 21:54:12 <MeusH> RichK67, thanks for committing 21:54:19 <MeusH> now http://bugs.openttd.org/task/220 may be closed 21:54:43 <MeusH> something is wrong with flyspray 21:54:48 <RichK67> cracking = really good 21:54:50 <Sacro> RichK67: you enjoying all the patches? 21:54:52 <MeusH> and it doesn't have a good manual... 21:54:59 <MeusH> I can't close my own task 21:55:03 <MeusH> but a dev can 21:55:48 <CIA-3> richk * r5380 /branches/MiniIN/ (14 files in 3 dirs): 21:55:48 <CIA-3> [MiniIN]: [Transparency]: Added More Transparency Options patch. 21:55:48 <CIA-3> Many thanks to Wolf01 for MiniIN version. 21:56:05 <Sacro> RichK67: i think there should be compiles more often 21:56:20 <Sacro> so that i have more people to play with 21:56:50 <RichK67> hmm... 4 per week? 21:57:17 <Sacro> RichK67: thats a bit better yeah 21:57:29 <Sacro> is it not possible to go up to 7...14 even :P 21:57:46 <RichK67> nah - 3 - mon am (post weekend), weds, fri (pre weekend) 21:58:02 <Sacro> isnt it 2 at the moment? 21:58:09 <RichK67> yeah, mon, thurs 21:58:09 <Sacro> mon - weds - fri is good 21:58:25 <RichK67> ill have a word with TL tomorrow 21:59:02 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B78998.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:59:18 <Sacro> nice one 21:59:41 *** gigajum [i=lucy@dslb-084-056-143-202.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:00:38 <Wolf01> RichK67, how i can set up the loading options to have the old behaviour? 22:01:42 <gigajum> Wolf01? 22:01:52 *** bjarni_ is now known as Bjarni 22:01:57 <gigajum> additional orders? 22:02:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 22:02:30 <Wolf01> no, trains leave station also if they are empty 22:02:35 <Bjarni> I wonder what happened 22:02:39 <Wolf01> and in orders have full load 22:02:55 <Sacro> Bjarni: evening 22:03:01 <Bjarni> first why I timed out (I was online all the time) and then why I had problems getting my nick back 22:03:10 <Bjarni> even after the timeout 22:03:19 <Sacro> dunno 22:03:33 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Success] 22:03:44 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181097189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:04:13 <Bjarni> once in a while you should not wonder too much about such issues 22:05:27 <RichK67> wolf01 - it happens when you load an old game... im not happy about it either 22:05:49 <RichK67> try selecting "% load, full".. it should reset it 22:06:31 <Wolf01> yes i read in the forum, now seem fixed 22:06:38 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:07:15 <RichK67> it really needs correcting during load - but im the integrator - so ill await the update from the author, unless some bright spark can solve it ;) 22:07:32 <Sacro> hmm 22:07:49 <gigajum> RichK67 me too :D 22:07:52 <Sacro> all this vast expanse of internet, and i dont know what to do 22:07:53 <RichK67> lol - my own new airports patch in trunk is causing trunk games to not load in MiniIN ;) 22:08:12 <Wolf01> i really love transparent catenary, now i can see clean elrail junctions 22:09:07 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 22:09:14 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 22:10:47 <RichK67> yup - confirmed... if i take pile transport, save it in current nightly, it loads in MiniIN... but if i build an intercon, it wont load in miniin - CTD in fact! 22:11:01 <RichK67> maybe time to adjust MiniIN... 22:11:28 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-165-190.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:16:38 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:17:06 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 22:18:17 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:18:24 <Wolf01> i think the author of the "station options button" should update it with daylength settings... if a train have to wait for 10 days at 32x it has to wait for about 10 minutes 22:19:04 <Sacro> Wolf01: who is the author? 22:19:10 <gigajum> <- 22:19:15 <Wolf01> lol 22:19:21 <Sacro> gigajum: hmm, off you go then :P 22:19:49 <Wolf01> can you set it for single days? 22:20:02 <Wolf01> instead of 10 days per click 22:20:11 <gigajum> i can 22:20:51 <gigajum> i had no idea how long is the best 22:20:57 <Wolf01> that because 10 days at 32x is like 2 game months :P 22:21:09 <gigajum> 32x? 22:21:41 <Wolf01> try setting the daylength in economy patches tab 22:21:48 <Wolf01> and see what happen 22:22:06 <gigajum> oh, is that new? 22:22:11 <Wolf01> yes 22:22:14 <RichK67> in MiniIN 22:22:36 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-209-236.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 22:22:38 <gigajum> ok 22:23:26 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-209-236.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:23:34 <gigajum> added after the compile? 22:23:34 <MeusH> hey Sacro 22:23:40 <Sacro> whoops 22:23:44 <Sacro> hey MeusH 22:23:48 <Sacro> damn that close button :P 22:25:50 *** Morlark [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:27:02 <Wolf01> my next patch will be "show catchement areas for existent stations" 22:27:09 <Sacro> Wolf01: nice 22:27:13 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:27:21 <Sacro> ooh tis him 22:28:28 <Brianetta> who? 22:28:32 <Brianetta> I deny everything 22:30:29 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:30:42 <Sacro> Brianetta: thats fine then... 22:31:04 <Wolf01> going to bed... 'night all 22:31:09 <Sacro> Wolf01: night 22:31:14 <MeusH> goodnight 22:31:15 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host235-235.pool874.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 22:35:50 *** _Red is now known as Red 22:37:15 <CIA-3> richk * r5381 /branches/MiniIN/ (13 files in 4 dirs): [MiniIN]: [NewAirports]: Reverted r4999, removing MiniIN version of NewAirports patch, as patch now in trunk. 22:38:57 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181105175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Client Quit] 22:39:54 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:43:31 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1052.wfd81a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.0 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 22:45:12 <Sacro> ARRRRRRRRRRRGHHHH QDB.US DOWN 22:45:40 <Brianetta> bash.org is superior 22:45:58 <SpComb> what's qdb.org :P 22:46:07 <Brianetta> a wannabee 22:46:54 <Brianetta> <Fade_> heh, truent, you have a big fat dick up my ass 22:46:54 <Brianetta> <Fade_> err your ass 22:46:54 <Brianetta> That's sheer class. 22:48:30 <Sacro> hmmm 22:48:46 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B84D9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Don't give me logic, give me emotions!"] 22:52:20 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:53:12 <RichK67> bah!! 22:53:15 <RichK67> im baffled 22:53:20 <Sacro> RichK67: hehehe 22:53:51 <RichK67> if i build a helidepot, helistation, or commuter in trunk... it loads fine in MiniIN 22:54:10 <RichK67> build an intercon in trunk.... CTD when loading into MiniIN :( 22:54:27 <RichK67> same code... merged :( 22:55:04 <Sacro> hmm, strange 22:55:21 <RichK67> very 22:56:04 <RichK67> gotta be some sprite combo thing 22:56:08 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 22:56:14 <RichK67> since no vehicles 22:57:09 <RichK67> doh 22:57:25 <Sacro> hmm 22:57:29 <Sacro> doh? sorted? 22:57:45 <RichK67> yeah - i think so - i updated the sprites last night 22:57:54 <RichK67> not backported that bit yet 22:59:06 <CIA-3> richk * r5382 /branches/MiniIN/ (14 files in 4 dirs): [MiniIN]: [NewAirports]: Backport of r5346 adding trunk version of NewAirports. 22:59:13 <Sacro> ahh right 23:00:09 <RichK67> i need 5362 to sort it 23:00:15 <Vornicus> RichK67: has mini_in been made a nightly? 23:00:24 <RichK67> twice weekly at the mo 23:00:36 <Vornicus> cool 23:00:54 <RichK67> files available at http://nightly.openttd.org/MiniIN/files 23:01:16 <RichK67> all flavours, including dedicated servers 23:01:18 <Vornicus> woohoo! 23:02:10 <Sacro> hehe 23:06:57 <RichK67> YES!! you da man!! :) 23:07:49 <Sacro> who? me? 23:08:10 <RichK67> nah me ;) 23:08:41 <Sacro> lol, okies 23:08:52 <Sacro> i think you should do another build tommorow 23:08:57 <Sacro> well, today as it is no 23:09:02 <Sacro> *now 23:09:11 <CIA-3> richk * r5383 /branches/MiniIN/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [MiniIN]: [NewAirports]: Backport of r5362 from trunk. Updates sprites for better handling of SPR_AIRPORT_APRON. 23:12:10 <RichK67> ok - currently district airports are dead... shall i leave them out (and stay in sync with trunk), or try to patch them back in?? 23:12:59 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 23:13:13 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:13:43 <Sacro> RichK67: i'd try and merge them back in 23:14:17 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:14:28 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 23:14:46 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-209-236.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 23:15:39 <gigajum> small question: does FOR_ALL_ORDERS include current_order? 23:16:23 <CIA-3> richk * r5384 /branches/MiniIN/ (aircraft_cmd.c lang/english.txt): [MiniIN]: [NewAirports]: Backport of r5376 from trunk. 23:16:47 <RichK67> i would guess so 23:17:40 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 23:18:12 <gigajum> ok, let's give it a try 23:20:14 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 23:22:44 <gigajum> RichK67 it does not 23:25:20 *** bulio|out [n=bulio@Sherbrooke-HSE-ppp3606822.sympatico.ca] has joined #openttd 23:30:37 <gigajum> RichK67 23:30:59 <RichK67> hi 23:31:46 <gigajum> you commited "st->max_wait_time = 60;" on r5345, i set it in my diff file to "st->max_wait_time = 0;" 23:31:54 <gigajum> any reasons for changing that? 23:32:59 <RichK67> yeah, for some reason, when on 0, the trains just left.... on 60 at least they stay a while 23:33:17 <RichK67> i know there is a check for 0, but it didnt seem to stop them leaving 23:33:51 <MeusH> RichK67: we don't like magic numbers 23:34:03 <MeusH> IMO developers would like to see some constant 23:34:22 <gigajum> RichK67 strange 23:35:05 <gigajum> they should not do that, maybe that was caused by the loading bug 23:35:19 <RichK67> its not - its the waiting time... 60 days... its totally in context, and its like saying "const max_wait_time = 60;" is wrong, because 60 is a magic number ;) 23:35:57 <RichK67> gigajum - yeah, i think so... full load doesnt set the 100% - thats all as far as i can see 23:36:24 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-165-190.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:36:56 <MeusH> cya 23:37:00 <gigajum> yeah, was a loading problem with savegame versions which had no addioinal orders 23:37:04 <gigajum> n8 MeusH 23:37:10 <MeusH> bye 23:37:13 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:38:31 <gigajum> i only ask while i got a merge error during update my copy, and someone in the forum asked for a global option, or he has to edit every station 23:38:35 <CIA-3> richk * r5385 /trunk/table/station_land.h: - Fix: Corrected new helipad layering so helicopters go over the H, not through it! ;) Thanks to mart3p for spotting this. 23:39:18 <RichK67> its only on the create station side, so existing stations should retain their state i think 23:41:17 <CIA-3> richk * r5386 /branches/MiniIN/table/station_land.h: [MiniIN]: Backport r5385 from trunk to fix sprite layering on new helipad. 23:42:48 <RichK67> gigajum: have you found the load bug, and have a fix? im unhappy with the way it breaks full load behaviour - its pretty significant 23:43:08 <gigajum> yeah 23:43:58 <gigajum> give me some seconds to fix the update 23:44:09 <RichK67> excellent 23:52:08 <gigajum> dcc? 23:52:33 <RichK67> try it 23:53:00 <gigajum> omg @ freenode irc server ... 23:55:16 <gigajum> check your forum inbox 23:55:42 <gigajum> server here said "unable to connect to localhost", and i know dcc is working on my side .. 23:56:22 <RichK67> cool - looks simple 23:56:30 <gigajum> yeah 23:56:53 <gigajum> was only the 100% which are not set 23:58:37 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 23:59:19 <gigajum> maybe you set "max_wait_time = 0;" and give it a try if the trains leave correct