Log for #openttd on 1st July 2006:
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00:00:50  <Sacro> and im totally confused by the mass of different cpu/ram speeds/graphics cards :(
00:01:19  <Triffid_Hunter> mainly games eh?
00:01:42  <Triffid_Hunter> well you'll be able to get a cheaper cpu and put that money into a better graphics card.. games don't need stupendously fast cpus
00:01:55  <Sacro> well, no, id like something that i can use for doing websites
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00:02:08  <Sacro> eclipse doesnt run nicely on a 14/15 inch laptop :(
00:02:33  <Triffid_Hunter> lol you can make websites still on that ole p-120, so i doubt a brand new machine would have any problems at all
00:02:44  <Triffid_Hunter> whether or not its designed for gaming ;)
00:02:55  <Sacro> hmm, thats true, win95 does have its good points
00:03:09  <Sacro> im hoping to start open university in september, learning java
00:03:13  <Triffid_Hunter> i said nothing about OS ;)
00:03:18  <Sacro> so i'd like to be able to run Eclipse
00:03:23  <Sacro> hehe, thats true
00:03:41  <Triffid_Hunter> i recommend an nforce motherboard, pci express, nvidia gpu, at least 160gb of storage
00:03:52  <Triffid_Hunter> go for the best you can put together for the amount of money you're allowed to spend
00:04:15  <Sacro> hmm, i was hoping to get a £200ish granty
00:04:25  <Sacro> and then some birthday money, and tell em its for work
00:04:34  <Triffid_Hunter> when buying a motherboard, I went for the one that most sites were using to test athlon xp overclocking abilities, since if it overclocks well, it should be rock solid stable at stock speeds ;)
00:04:47  <Sacro> true
00:04:51  <Sacro> i was thinking about SLI
00:05:17  <Triffid_Hunter> it had all the options too, which lets me peg my cpu at 1.875v so it can overclock to 166x13 during heavy load
00:05:19  <Sacro> maybe athlon 64 939 3200+
00:05:29  <Triffid_Hunter> SLI is expensive because you need two graphics cards
00:05:38  <Triffid_Hunter> yeah 3200+ should be more than enough
00:06:05  <Sacro> hmm, so whats a socket 940, and AM2
00:06:25  <Triffid_Hunter> even my old 2400+ still keeps up with everything nicely, and our p3-900 media pc runs dvds and quake3 just fine
00:06:57  <Triffid_Hunter> Sacro: remember that if the manufacturers keep changing sockets like they have been lately, you'll have no upgrade path
00:07:08  <Sacro> well this laptop is a 2.4GHz P4, but its only got 512MB RAM, and i think 64 goes to the graphics
00:07:25  <Sacro> yeah, i know, my current desktop is a socket A
00:07:29  <Sacro> 2100 palamino
00:07:37  <Triffid_Hunter> mine's a tbred-b
00:07:49  <Sacro> absolutly nowhere more it can go, its only 2100 DDR i think
00:08:15  <Triffid_Hunter> would make a good htpc
00:08:23  <Sacro> i think it was the asus A8N-sli
00:08:27  <Sacro> i was looking at, htpc?
00:08:36  <Triffid_Hunter> htpc = home theater pc
00:08:46  <Sacro> ah, yeah it would
00:09:19  <Sacro> i'd love to shove centos on it, and have it as a permenent ftp/samba/mail/apache/media pc
00:09:35  <Triffid_Hunter> centos eh.. that's redhat based isn't it?
00:09:42  <hylje> yes
00:10:17  <Sacro> yep, either that or Fedora Core 6
00:10:34  <Triffid_Hunter> i'd go with gentoo, but a linux box is always a great idea :)
00:10:46  <hylje> gentoo ftw :>
00:11:01  <Triffid_Hunter> what's this ftw i keep seeing everywhere actually mean?
00:11:03  <Sacro> nah, if i was gonna self-compile, it'd probably be lfs
00:11:05  <Sacro> for the win
00:11:17  <Sacro> wtf is an AthlonT
00:11:33  <Triffid_Hunter> yeah I turned a debian box into an lfs box before realising i should have run gentoo the whole time
00:11:48  <Sacro> debian scared me
00:12:04  <Sacro> is it wrong that i see AGP 8x, and think bah, should get PCI-E
00:12:07  <Triffid_Hunter> it broke and argued too often for me
00:12:27  <Triffid_Hunter> Sacro: depends on your budget.. pci express gpus are cheaper here than their agp counterparts
00:12:37  <Triffid_Hunter> but the motherboards are more expensive
00:12:40  <Sacro> Triffid_Hunter: but i thought PCI-E is better?
00:12:41  <Sacro> ahh
00:12:58  <Triffid_Hunter> it is
00:12:59  <hylje> pci-e is better
00:13:03  <Sacro> i'd love an Alienware ALX
00:13:07  <hylje> it stretches to 16x while agp caps at 8x
00:13:23  <Sacro> from 3 grand though
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00:14:41  <Sacro> do intel do 64bit now?
00:17:23  <Sacro> £29 :| for a modem
00:18:00  <Triffid_Hunter> Sacro: yep.. em64t is their code for 64 bit support compatible with amd64
00:18:11  <Triffid_Hunter> looks like no-one cares about ia64 which is their other 64 bit effort
00:18:57  <Sacro> hmm
00:19:07  <Sacro> where to shop for pc parts then...
00:19:08  <hylje> ye
00:19:16  <hylje> itanium bombed, they call it itanic
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00:23:07  <Sacro> hmm, i dont particularly fancy going with intel, they seem to cost more
00:23:14  <Triffid_Hunter> yep
00:23:30  <Sacro> soooo... i need help to choose :(
00:23:30  <Triffid_Hunter> i've found amd+nvidia chipset+nvidia gpu is a winning combo
00:23:40  <Sacro> yeah
00:23:54  <Sacro> whats AM2 for then?
00:24:02  <Triffid_Hunter> ddr2 ram
00:24:10  <Triffid_Hunter> no other discernible difference
00:24:22  <Sacro> oh, not a diff cpu then?
00:24:46  <Triffid_Hunter> well, the memory controller is on-die nowadays so the cpu is slightly different.. not where it counts though
00:25:06  <Sacro> ah right
00:25:19  <Triffid_Hunter> ddr2 ram is slower than ddr1, more handshaking or something.. only time will tell if it's more scalable
00:25:20  <Sacro> well what make motherboard... so many to choose, Asus, Abit, DFI
00:26:00  <Triffid_Hunter> Sacro: my epox board is great, and i've had many good experiences with albatron lately.. i've never seen an MSI or jetway board that actually worked in my life
00:26:07  <Sacro> Processor - 1 x AMD Athlon 64 3500+ / 2.2 GHz - Socket 939 - L2 512 KB - Box for £80 seems decent
00:26:12  <Triffid_Hunter> i'm told asus isn't bad
00:26:20  <Sacro> ive sold MSI and jetway, never used em
00:26:21  <Triffid_Hunter> yep
00:26:29  <Sacro> ive used Asus, Abit, and Gigibit before
00:26:36  <Triffid_Hunter> what's the ambient temperature in summer like in your country?
00:26:44  <Sacro> errrr...varies
00:26:47  <Triffid_Hunter> if its more than 30c or so, i'd suggest getting a better hsf than the stock one
00:26:52  <Sacro> 19 at the moment
00:27:02  <Sacro> doesnt normally get that high
00:27:15  <Triffid_Hunter> i got a coolermaster aero 7+.. works great :D
00:27:21  <Sacro> but yeah, ill probably get a decent hsf anywya
00:27:50  <Triffid_Hunter> the single piece copper skived heatsink is what really sold me, but the blower is great too
00:28:03  <Sacro> opteron == server chip?
00:28:29  <Triffid_Hunter> yep
00:28:45  <Sacro> right, so, we have a cpu... :)
00:29:19  <Sacro> :o 400GB hard drive
00:29:40  <Sacro> hmm, 200 for 52, Maxtor
00:29:48  <Triffid_Hunter> don't buy maxtor
00:30:02  <Triffid_Hunter> get seagate or western digital
00:30:18  <Sacro> ive always bought maxtor. whats better about seagate or WD?
00:30:21  <Triffid_Hunter> of all the drives i've seen, maxtor has the highest failure rate
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00:30:35  <Sacro> hmm, thats true
00:30:56  <Triffid_Hunter> i've seen two that lasted beyond 6 months, and many dozens that didn't make it to 3
00:31:14  <Sacro> mines been going for 4 years
00:31:23  <Sacro> i got 2x80Gb
00:31:41  <Triffid_Hunter> ah, from just after they took over quantum
00:32:08  <Sacro> yeah, think so
00:34:23  <Sacro> hmm, sata ii
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00:47:19  <Sacro> hmm, so whats crossfirethen
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00:49:24  <hylje> ati's try at SLi
00:49:34  <Sacro> good? oder night good?
00:49:50  <hylje> dunno
00:50:35  <Sacro> nah, ill stick to SLi
00:50:57  <Sacro> soo, talking 80 for cpu, 60 for hard drive
00:51:18  <Sacro> grahics card range is huge :/
00:57:32  <Sacro> now to build a fab
01:01:02  <hylje> you better have some blueprints too
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01:04:33  <Sacro> hylje: isnt that enough? hmm
01:04:40  <Sacro> what grahpics card do i go for, so much choice
01:04:48  <Sacro> id like PCI-E, possibly 2 in SLI
01:06:45  <ln-> the channel is now closed for tonight. welcome back tomorrow.
01:07:16  <ln-> please keep your luggage with you at all times.
01:09:35  <Sacro> :o
01:09:38  <Sacro> lies
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02:58:58  * Vornicus downloads the latest mini_in for osx/powerpc, finds it has a strange performance problem.
03:00:08  <Vornicus> Specifically it hangs briefly every few seconds.
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05:36:40  <CIA-3> tron * r5436 /trunk/known-bugs.txt: Remove dangerous dis-information
05:38:08  <MiHaMiX> morning
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06:26:49  <CIA-3> miham * r5437 /trunk/lang/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
06:26:49  <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-01 08:26:29
06:26:49  <CIA-3> afrikaans - 45 fixed, 4 changed by TrueTenacity (49)
06:26:49  <CIA-3> bulgarian - 500 fixed by groupsky (500)
06:26:49  <CIA-3> norwegian - 21 fixed, 11 changed by brygge_2 (6), oletk (26)
06:26:54  <MiHaMiX> big commit ..
06:28:59  <Vornicus> WT2 is one of my favorite aspects of recent development in OTTD.
06:29:11  <MiHaMiX> Vornicus: may I ask, why? :)
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06:29:42  <Vornicus> You know, I'm not really sure.
06:29:48  <Vornicus> I don't speak any of those languages...
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06:33:47  <MiHaMiX> ok, latvian is now internal, which means that no longer updated by WT2 (since has no translator for the language)
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06:51:17  <MiHaMiX> Qball: hi
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09:01:28  <Wolf01> hi all
09:01:43  <TL|Away> hi
09:01:48  <TL|Away> whoho, 104 pacakges to install X11 :)
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09:09:45  <jnmbk> what happened to 0.4.8 rc1? logins are enabled in sourceforge...
09:11:31  <[Shaman]> sf is gay anyways.
09:14:02  <TL|Away> yup
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09:21:15  <MiHaMiX> jnmbk: will be uploaded soon
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09:37:45  <MeusH> hi
09:37:52  <Wolf01> hey MeusH
09:38:00  <MeusH> what happened to #openttd.gpmi?
09:38:13  <MeusH> only TL|Away is there, and I can't write there
09:38:19  <MeusH> some bug or something
09:38:25  <TL|Away> +m on the channel
09:38:29  <TL|Away> you might want to read the topic
09:39:15  <MeusH> okay, thanks
09:39:33  <MeusH> excuse me, but I rarely read topics...
09:39:33  <TL|Away> :)
09:39:38  <TL|Away> that isn't my problem :)
09:40:24  <TL|Away> but #openttd.gpmi is moved to an other IRC network, FreeNode starts to suck more and more and more
09:40:35  <TL|Away> (most of all, lilo is driving me crazy with his 'good intentions blabla'
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09:45:31  <[Shaman]> gpmi? :o
09:47:06  <TL|Away> yes, a library that makes programs somewhat more dynamic ;)
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09:48:09  <MeusH> TL|Away: do you have some OpenTTD.gpmi binaries so I can i.e. see your progress?
09:48:32  <TL|Away> MeusH: We have a version that is no longer supported (based on 0.4.5) that allows custom AIs
09:48:51  <TL|Away> and currently Rubidium and glx are starting from scratch, Rubidium has some pictures, but nothing playable yet
09:49:07  <MeusH> and now, what are you doing? dividing OpenTTD code into separate modules?
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09:49:29  <TL|Away> me myself am doing nothing TT related (game-wise)
09:49:38  <TL|Away> I have too many other shit :(
09:49:52  <MeusH> allright, a pity
09:49:54  <TL|Away> But I believe the plan is to build everything up from scratch, and in small and logic modules/parts
09:49:58  <MeusH> I wish you more free time :)
09:50:05  <TL|Away> :) Tnx!
09:50:13  <TL|Away> pay me 1000 dollar a month, and I will :p
09:50:16  <MeusH> without all TT legacy (aka limitations)?
09:50:17  <TL|Away> (yeah, I am that cheap :p)
09:50:36  <TL|Away> MeusH: limitations should be gone, anyway, moved ahead far more, yes
09:50:49  <TL|Away> and the main game will most likely be very different, even from OpenTTD
09:50:58  <TL|Away> but I always suggested to make modules and packages that give the old touch and feel back
09:51:09  <MeusH> what do you mean? Gameplay- or graphic wise?
09:51:16  <TL|Away> so, a collection of TT modules and packages and graphics and everything
09:51:20  <TL|Away> so that it feels and acts like TT did
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09:51:23  <TL|Away> with all his stupid things
09:51:43  <TL|Away> but currnetly I guess they will write it to be a bit better ;)
09:51:44  <TL|Away> hehe
09:51:52  <MeusH> how will OpenTTD.gpmi be different?
09:52:17  <TL|Away> browse around in... and I have to guess this URL, because X11 is upgrading, so I don't have any browser or anything:
09:52:46  <TL|Away> for example, trams, elrails and all that kind of stuff will be just an other type, adding them will be really easy
09:53:01  <TL|Away> busses will be smarter in path finding
09:53:11  <TL|Away> towns will have different kind of growing sets
09:53:17  <TL|Away> (so one truely grows different then the other)
09:53:23  <TL|Away> shit like that
09:53:55  <TL|Away> I am not completely sure what is on the program currently
09:54:01  <TL|Away> but that were my ideas when I made my drafts :)
09:55:59  <MeusH> that's great
09:56:01  <MeusH> but...
09:56:01  <MeusH>   2006-05 -> Having all pieces in Stage 2
09:56:02  <MeusH>   2006-07 -> Having all pieces in Stage 3
09:56:03  <MeusH>   2006-08 -> Releasing alpha
09:56:09  <MeusH> seems it won't be achieved
09:56:10  <TL|Away> yeah, dates won't be made :)
09:56:23  <TL|Away> In that time I thought it was easy possible, it was in fact long term planned
09:56:28  <TL|Away> but ... then I ran out of time
09:58:40  <MeusH> I'm just wondering about that backwards compatibility
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09:58:49  <MeusH> like TT way of handling stuff
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09:59:11  <MeusH> I think one may take a TTDPatch to play with old system
09:59:17  <TL|Away> it will, or rather, should be able to read savegames from all 3 known games (TTD, TTDPatch and OpenTTD)
09:59:18  <MeusH> this will just spare your time
09:59:47  <MeusH> so you won't have to code obviously bad and old code, just for some people who want to go back in time
10:00:33  <TL|Away> Yeah, you might be right, it were just ideas :) We will see ;)
10:01:24  <MeusH> a brand new game would be very nice. It would be probably just like your original ideas - "old" code
10:01:29  <MeusH> s/-/minus
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10:01:39  <TL|Away> :)
10:03:13  <TL|Away> But me myself have seen enough trains after 3 years of developing for TT-like games now :p
10:03:26  <TL|Away> when you stop dreaming about them, it is enough :p
10:03:27  <TL|Away> hehehehehe
10:03:58  <Bjarni> you started dreaming about trains?
10:04:11  <TL|Away> in the beginning? Yeah, dah
10:04:16  <TL|Away> you want to say you didn't? :)
10:04:21  <Bjarni> no
10:04:27  <TL|Away> poor bastard
10:04:46  <Bjarni> usually it's real life trains though
10:06:55  <TL|Away> Anyway, I wanted to start opendune :p
10:06:59  <TL|Away> but oh well
10:07:00  <TL|Away> time :p
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10:19:51  <Bjarni> hpuwaegfdfglad
10:20:05  <Bjarni> I hate that we don't have the scenarios in SVN
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10:31:31  <[Shaman]> [TL|Away]: Anyway, I wanted to start opendune :p << now that would be something sweet :P
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10:32:53  <CIA-3> bjarni * r5438 /trunk/os/macosx/Makefile: -Code cleanup [OSX] removed UNIVERSAL_BINARY as a phony target since the target is long gone. Also corrected BUILD_OSX_BUNDLE as phony target
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10:41:07  <Wolf01> sidew has found a bug on the miniIN: with the USset when in tropical climate and you want to refit tankers from oil to water, appears a popup which tell you that is impossible to refit
10:41:29  <Bjarni> hmm
10:41:45  <Bjarni> the interesting part here is if the trunk/nightly build behaves the same way
10:44:34  <CIA-3> bjarni * r5439 /branches/0.4/os/macosx/Makefile:
10:44:34  <CIA-3> -Backport [OSX] rev 5438 -Code cleanup [OSX] removed UNIVERSAL_BINARY as a phony target since the target is long gone. Also corrected BUILD_OSX_BUNDLE as phony target
10:44:34  <CIA-3>  also corrected two $(BUILD_OSX_BUNDLE) to BUILD_OSX_BUNDLE, so the bundle will always build
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10:46:55  <CIA-3> bjarni * r5440 /branches/0.4/vehicle.c: -Backport: rev 5428 -Fix: [vehicles] sovled crash when trying to build a vehicle type, that is set to max 0 (spotted by roboman)
10:48:07  <MeusH> :P
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10:50:47  <Bjarni> MeusH: well, you forgot one thing: trains should all have poor reliability and randomly lose wagons in depots
10:50:48  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i cannot get hommv to run :(
10:51:04  <Bjarni> actually that would be two things :P
10:51:13  <MeusH> :)
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10:55:06  <Bjarni> ohh, better yet: also randomly add lost wagons, that was left in depots
10:57:28  <Sacro> Bjarni: ahh yes, you just cant get the staff
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11:35:43  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... so this crashed badly...
11:35:56  <Eddi|zuHause> i should try something easier first ;)
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13:26:33  <UnderBuilder> still logins to sf disabled?
13:26:44  <TL|Away> yesterday not
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13:28:26  <Bjarni> hmm
13:28:32  <Bjarni> should we release now?
13:28:40  <Bjarni> the RC1 release, that is
13:28:55  <Bjarni> the issue is, I only got the OSX binaries
13:28:59  <TL|Away> Bjarni: I believe MiHaMiX made a nice mail about it :p
13:29:13  <Bjarni> I read it
13:29:18  <TL|Away> I know :)
13:29:21  <Bjarni> and I'm still waiting for people to show up with binaries
13:29:28  <TL|Away> but I believe you guys now are all asking eachother: should we release now?
13:29:37  <TL|Away> and therefor nobody come with binaries
13:29:42  <TL|Away> and so everything is frozen :)
13:29:42  <Bjarni> ok
13:29:49  <TL|Away> the tag is made
13:29:51  <Bjarni> order: show up with binaries NOW
13:29:59  <TL|Away> so I believe it is safe to assume Darkvater ment to you guys make binaries :)
13:31:39  <Bjarni> I noticed that it's buggy. Somebody (your or me) accidentally modifed os/macosx/Makefile to not to make bundles o_O
13:31:51  <TL|Away> hehe
13:31:52  <Bjarni> *(you or me)
13:31:59  <TL|Away> the compile-farm did compile nicely
13:32:00  <TL|Away> but oh well
13:32:05  <TL|Away> as long as it is (correctly) fixed now :p
13:32:05  <Bjarni> I fixed this in the 0.4 branch
13:32:12  <Bjarni> it works in the trunk
13:32:18  <TL|Away> MiHaMiX asked me why the compile-farm doesn't make release binaries..
13:32:23  <TL|Away> I guess we should try to work towards this
13:32:27  <Bjarni> so I have no idea how 0.4 broke. It never broke in the trunk
13:32:29  <TL|Away> although you have to make the dmg file
13:32:39  <Sacro> Bjarni: which binaries are you wanting? i can do a few
13:32:40  <TL|Away> wrong backports maybe?
13:33:02  <TL|Away> Bjarni: Celester should have the windows binary from Darkvater
13:33:08  <Bjarni> most likely, even though I have no idea how that happened
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13:33:56  <Bjarni> it's a wise choice to send it to somebody, who is offline when we need it :P
13:34:24  <TL|Away> :)
13:34:31  <Bjarni> TL|Away: btw how did your dmg project go? is it possible to do?
13:34:31  <Sacro> you'd like a windows binary doing?
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13:34:39  <TL|Away> Bjarni: nope
13:34:41  <ems> hi
13:34:42  <ems> <__20h__> Open Transport Tycoon does crash if you have too many stations/vehicles.
13:34:50  <Sacro> ems: most likely
13:34:57  <Bjarni> Sacro: Celestar got a windows binary, but he is not here :(
13:35:07  <TL|Away> Sacro: and release binaries are pretty special :)
13:35:26  <Sacro> ah, cos i have MinGW and i know how to use it
13:35:28  <Bjarni> ems: it should stop you from building too many instead of crashing
13:35:39  <TL|Away> Sacro: you need a bit more then just mingw :p
13:35:43  <Bjarni> Sacro: the release binaries aren't build with mingw
13:35:51  <Bjarni> at least I don't think so
13:35:59  <TL|Away> nope
13:36:01  <Sacro> Bjarni: i dont think it really matters does it?
13:36:03  <TL|Away> and are msi wrapped :p
13:36:10  <TL|Away> Sacro: it does, for releases, it does
13:36:16  <Sacro> ahh yes, the msi installer
13:36:20  <ems> reminding of the offer:
13:36:21  <ems> <__20h__> If anyone gets Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe to work on Plan 9, then he will get a beer.
13:36:36  <Bjarni> ems: plan 9?
13:36:46  <Sacro> ems: yes, but theres no SDL port from what i could see
13:37:10  <ems>
13:37:16  <Sacro> about linux binaries?
13:37:17  <ems> Sacro: check contribs
13:37:22  <Bjarni> Sacro: "If anyone gets Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe to work" <-- without SDL, I guess it would have to be a dedicated server :P
13:37:32  <Sacro> ems: ah right, and plan9 is open source
13:37:37  <Sacro> i wonder if it has gcc...
13:37:40  <ems> there is SDL
13:37:49  <ems> Sacro: it is open source
13:38:01  <ems> Sacro: it has a compiler by Ken Thompson
13:38:10  <Sacro> ems: i know, but its kind of hard to compile without a compiler
13:38:20  <Sacro> you'd need to compile a compiler...but using what...
13:38:30  <ems> Sacro: gcc was ported back in the old days... it is being updated recently
13:38:32  <ems> kencc
13:38:43  <ems> Plan 9 has its own C compiler
13:38:47  <ems> by Ken Thompson
13:38:47  <Bjarni> Sacro: no, you just open a file in HEX and write some random numbers... if you try enough times, you will hit the right combo eventually ;)
13:38:55  <Sacro> hmm, now how nicely does it run under QEmu
13:39:14  <ems> Sacro: it runs okay
13:39:15  <Sacro> Bjarni: i've downloaded a torrent, its stuck at 99% with 64k to go, i was considering that approach
13:39:17  <Bjarni> is it free to download?
13:39:27  <ems> Sacro: just don't try using it with DMA
13:39:48  <Bjarni> why not?
13:39:50  <ems> Sacro: Qemu doesn't have DMA and it kills it if you try using it with it turned on
13:40:16  <ems> Bjarni: yes it meets DFSG
13:40:43  <ems> Bjarni: the install cd is also bootable... this is not linux... we have rules :p
13:41:53  <Sacro> i wonder if freeoszoo has a predone qemu install
13:42:06  <ems> Sacro: yes it does
13:42:14  <ems> Sacro: it was one of the first images
13:42:15  <Sacro> 060327
13:42:35  <Sacro> would it be easier than installing using the cd?
13:42:57  <ems> depends
13:43:01  <Sacro> on?
13:43:04  <ems> but most likely yes
13:43:25  <ems> depends on if the installed version is how you want it
13:43:51  <Sacro> hum...a torrent
13:43:54  <Sacro> that is true
13:43:58  <Sacro> ill install it myself :)
13:44:15  <ems> its only 80MB
13:44:22  <ems> the offical CD
13:44:50  <Sacro> yep, DTA is working on it
13:45:01  <Sacro> 37% @ 120KB/s
13:45:09  <TL|Away> why would someone want to use this plan9? :s
13:45:14  <ems> Bell Labs has quiet a bit of bandwidth
13:45:26  <ems> TL|Away: that question was asked on osnews
13:45:26  <Sacro> ive found a gcc and X11 port
13:45:26  <Bjarni> TL|Away: I have no idea
13:45:38  <Sacro> why do people use os/2?
13:45:47  <Bjarni> good question
13:45:52  <Bjarni> I can't answer that
13:46:10  <Sacro> i'd run OpenTTD on my amiga 500 if i could, just cos i can
13:46:18  <ems>
13:46:20  <TL|Away> ems: many people ask many things.. doesn't mean it is a good question ;)
13:46:21  <Bjarni> you can't :P
13:46:22  <ems> see the comments
13:46:45  <ems> Sacro: the x11 port is crap
13:46:54  <Sacro> what are ape sources
13:46:54  <ems> Sacro: native graphics is much better
13:47:00  <Sacro> ems: ahh, it has native graphics
13:47:02  <ems> x is just crap
13:47:10  <Sacro> hmm as long as SDL supports it should be ok
13:47:23  <ems> SDL should work under APE
13:47:31  <Sacro> what do i need for gcc
13:47:31  <ems> I heard it is working
13:47:37  <Sacro> there seem to be seperate downloads
13:47:48  <ems> Sacro: we don't use gcc
13:47:54  <Sacro> oook
13:48:03  <ems> this isn't linux
13:48:21  <ems> anyway join #plan9
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13:48:31  <ems> I am by no means an expert
13:48:35  <__20h__> Guten Tag.
13:48:35  <ems> hi __20h__
13:48:58  <Bjarni> I guess that would make it German beer
13:49:08  <__20h__> Yes.
13:49:56  <Sacro> hmm, it wont have autotools
13:50:32  <Bjarni> autotools sucks anyway
13:50:33  <Eddi|zuHause> you could try if it has a wine port, and run the windows version ;)
13:51:15  <__20h__> There is no WINE or autohell on Plan 9.
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13:52:04  <Sacro> i see they have mk
13:52:33  <ems> yes it was move along from v10 unix
13:52:39  <ems> so was rc
13:52:44  <Sacro> ive never used unix
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14:15:52  <Sacro> its all quiet in here
14:16:18  <peter1138> yes
14:16:25  <__20h__> That's IRC.
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14:36:50  <Sacro> ems: given up
14:37:43  <__20h__> Still thanks for OpenTTD.
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14:39:21  <Sacro> __20h__: i would continue, but i cant get plan9 to install
14:39:58  <TL|Away> it doesn't sound like a good plan
14:40:00  <TL|Away> (hehe, sorry :p)
14:40:33  <__20h__> Sacro, you would need to port SDL to Plan 9.
14:40:44  <Sacro> __20h__: i was told it had been done
14:40:48  <Sacro> TL|Away: thanks for that
14:40:57  <TL|Away> the name is just funny :)
14:41:05  <TL|Away> what are you going to do? Use a plan!
14:41:07  <__20h__> Sacro, don't trust ems.
14:41:19  <TL|Away> The statement above is false
14:41:19  <Sacro> __20h__: oh, ok
14:41:24  <TL|Away> :p
14:41:30  <TL|Away> The statement below is false
14:41:33  <TL|Away> The statement above is true
14:41:34  <Sacro> TL|Away: This statement is false
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14:41:38  <TL|Away> I love paradox :)
14:41:45  <__20h__> You guys just suck. :P
14:41:55  <TL|Away> I bet you suck better
14:42:06  <Sacro> :o i dont wanna know
14:42:11  <TL|Away> sad
14:42:13  <TL|Away> said
14:42:15  <TL|Away> sad
14:42:16  <TL|Away> hmmz
14:42:17  <TL|Away> what ever :p
14:42:17  <__20h__> Where can we meet?
14:42:56  <TL|Away> behind the old tree
14:43:15  <__20h__> Ah, where we met for the first time.
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14:43:44  <TL|Away> no, now you confuse me with Bjarni
14:44:20  <__20h__> Then I met you and Bjarni in the old barn.
14:44:59  <TL|Away> you can meet Bjarni and me everywhere you like
14:45:01  <TL|Away> just close your eyes
14:45:36  <__20h__> No I won't. Last time I did this did some dark-leather clothed guys appear.
14:45:45  <TL|Away> hehe
14:45:51  <TL|Away> that would have been Sacro indeed
14:46:22  <Sacro> :o
14:46:26  <Sacro> lies!
14:47:32  <TL|Away> ALL LIES!!!
14:47:34  <TL|Away> IT WAS HIM!
14:47:43  <Eddi|zuHause> [2006-07-01 16:41] <TL|Away> The statement below is false
14:47:43  <Eddi|zuHause> [2006-07-01 16:41] <TL|Away> The statement above is true
14:47:51  <Eddi|zuHause> that can leave only one conclusion
14:47:55  <Eddi|zuHause> false = true
14:47:59  <TL|Away> that I am an idiot?
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14:49:16  <Sacro> TL|Away: makes sense to me
14:49:22  <TL|Away> yup, to me too :)
14:50:23  <TL|Away> And all those people in my head agree too
14:50:28  <TL|Away> so that makes us a happy family :)
14:50:42  <Brianetta> The statement below is false
14:50:43  <Brianetta> The statement above is false
14:50:43  <Brianetta> This is also paradoxical.
14:50:57  <TL|Away> no Brianetta, that is just you talking gibberish :p
14:51:23  <TL|Away> Brianetta: that aint paradox btw, because they are simply both true
14:51:25  <TL|Away> nothing wrong with that
14:51:43  <Brianetta> They aren't both truwe
14:51:52  <Brianetta> If they were, they'd refer to each other as true
14:52:00  <TL|Away> yes they are :) Statement 1 doesn't lie, neither does statement 2 :p
14:52:28  <Brianetta> If statement 1 doesn't lie, then statement 2 does.
14:52:37  <TL|Away> butthen the bunny comes along
14:52:40  <TL|Away> and eats them all
14:52:42  <TL|Away> so in the end
14:52:43  <TL|Away> it is true
14:53:05  <Sacro> hmm
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14:59:59  <CIA-3> miham * r5441 /trunk/lang/ (danish.txt estonian.txt finnish.txt galician.txt):
14:59:59  <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-01 16:59:36
14:59:59  <CIA-3> danish - 8 fixed by Bjarni (8)
14:59:59  <CIA-3> estonian - 16 fixed by t2t2 (8), vermon (8)
14:59:59  <CIA-3> finnish - 17 fixed by lauri.kajan (17)
15:00:00  <CIA-3> galician - 25 fixed by Condex (25)
15:04:17  <MiHaMiX> hmm
15:05:08  <MiHaMiX> noone around? :D
15:05:46  <TL|Away> of course not
15:06:01  <ln-> absolutely not, the sun is shining out there.
15:06:08  <TL|Away> and HOT it is :(
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15:11:28  <Bjarni> hmm
15:11:39  <Bjarni> how do I remove the last 4 chars from a string in bash?
15:11:50  <ems> lol
15:11:59  <Bjarni> at one time, I used a very simple command, but I forgot it :(
15:12:11  <ems> Bjarni: try rc, seriously.
15:12:32  <ln-> Bjarni: do you know those last 4 chars?
15:12:32  <TL|Away> Bjarni: cut -b -4
15:13:18  <Bjarni> I know the string, I just don't know the total length of the string in question
15:13:36  <Sacro> Bjarni: s/string//
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15:13:46  <ln-> Sacro: a great way to do it wrong.
15:13:52  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: in clean bash?
15:13:59  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: without external cmds?
15:14:01  <Sacro> s/*(4)^// ?
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15:14:32  <Sacro> Bjarni: end, bksp, bksp, bksp, bkps
15:14:34  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: len=$((${#string_variable}-4))
15:14:47  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: echo ${string_variable:0:$len}
15:15:45  <ln-> but, if the 4 chars is something like a file extension, e.g. '.jpg', then using the basename command is the easy way.
15:16:02  <ln-> especially if the extension is always the same.
15:16:10  <Bjarni> yeah, now it's working
15:16:15  <Bjarni> thanks MiHaMiX
15:16:38  <Bjarni> and everybody else, who said something, which I ended up not using ;)
15:16:43  <MiHaMiX> :DD
15:20:38  <Sacro> hmm, if i wanted a program to bring in f1 timings from a website, and output it as XML, would C/C++ be better...or perl
15:20:44  <Sacro> can you make perl into an EXE?
15:21:17  <ln-> C/C++ is the hard way.
15:21:37  <MiHaMiX> Sacro: perl/php is the easiest.. or python
15:21:39  <anboni> that sounds more like a job for a shell script with some awk and other similar tools
15:21:52  <anboni> or, failing a proper shell, python would also be good i guess :)
15:21:57  <Sacro> i was thnking php, but its hardly distributable
15:22:23  <Sacro> i ideally wanted some kind of binary
15:22:30  <KUDr> on what platform it should run?
15:22:46  <Sacro> KUDr: well, Windows, Linux, OSX
15:23:35  <KUDr> hmm, default windows has no java, no perl, no anything (except jscript & vbscript)
15:23:44  <Sacro> KUDr: yes...i know
15:23:51  <anboni> python can be compiled to an executable
15:23:55  <Sacro> output would probably be GTK
15:23:58  <ln-> you could code it in pseudo code
15:24:00  <Sacro> anboni: but i dont know python
15:24:09  <KUDr> so then some engine (runtime) + script or C
15:24:14  <anboni> python is fairly easy to learn if you know programming in general
15:24:33  <ln-> see wxPython
15:25:13  <KUDr> and then distribute it with python engine + wxwindows => big package
15:26:10  <anboni> define 'big'? a few mb isn't really big anymore nowadays.. and i think that's estimating way too much
15:26:12  <KUDr> or use expat + LUA and it can have up to 200k
15:26:26  <KUDr> big ~ some megs
15:26:33  <Sacro> home
15:26:36  <Sacro> *hmm
15:27:26  <Sacro> expat? LUA?
15:27:40  <anboni> anyone have a good tgp seed for a low number of lakes in a flat-ish map?
15:27:46  <Sacro> ooh, cool
15:27:56  <Sacro> anboni: 2824743034
15:29:09  <anboni> uhm.. that seems to be too much for the int32 value i can fill in there :)
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15:29:33  <Sacro> anboni: ah, you want an int32
15:29:36  <Sacro> hmm
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15:29:44  <Sacro> 52709544
15:29:48  <anboni> well, that's what the MiniIN tgp seems to ask for :)
15:30:31  <Sacro> s'ok, i can come up with numbers for any length
15:30:37  <anboni> ...
15:31:21  <Sacro> ;)
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15:32:23  <Sacro> hmm, next f1 session isnt far off, i could do with some kinda tests going then
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15:50:40  <Sacro> whoops
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16:03:51  <Eddi|zuHause> found out, what that little 'x' button is for? ;)
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16:06:09  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: didnt notice laptop wasnt plugged in
16:06:54  <Eddi|zuHause> and it does not scream when on low battery?
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16:11:19  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: no
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16:13:33  <MeusH> hi
16:14:39  <Sacro> arrrrrrrrrrrgh its a MeusH
16:14:41  <Sacro> hey :)
16:15:29  <MeusH> hello hello mr Sacro
16:15:45  <Sacro> how are you Mr MeusH ?
16:16:29  <MeusH> I'm fine, thanks, however it's raining all the day
16:17:51  <Sacro> its boiling hot here, 25/26 degrees, sunny
16:18:27  <MeusH> hehe, it was 34 deg here recently
16:18:41  <MeusH> about one week ago
16:19:00  <Sacro> ouch
16:19:00  <MeusH> now my skin rips down
16:19:07  <MeusH> or how to say it...
16:19:08  <Sacro> they reckon it could get up to 31/32 here
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16:22:14  <TL|Away> who knows how to make a yes/no question in javascript?
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16:26:03  <Sacro> TL|Away: someone must do
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16:26:44  <trogdorx> are tracks supposed to cost a shitload in the r5422 MiniIN?
16:28:27  <trogdorx> 2 diagonal tracks cost ,718
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16:31:59  <trogdorx> a TINY stretch of tracks cost me 18k
16:37:47  <trogdorx> and my coal train just earned me 19k
16:37:51  <trogdorx> this doesnt make any sense
16:39:11  <MeusH> hey I do
16:39:14  <MeusH> TL|Away
16:39:20  <TL|Away> yes?
16:39:29  <Sacro> TL|Away: BOO!
16:39:35  <TL|Away> NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :(
16:39:40  <TL|Away> you scared me :(
16:39:51  <MeusH>
16:39:51  * Sacro pats TL|Away on the
16:39:56  <Sacro> it's ok, tis only me
16:40:05  <TL|Away> the big scary man
16:40:08  <Sacro> hehe
16:40:11  <MeusH> where?
16:40:15  <Sacro> im trying to learn libxml, its not going well
16:40:26  <TL|Away> libxml2 is EASY!
16:40:34  <MeusH> and who is scary here? ;)
16:40:42  <TL|Away> tnx MeusH, I hope that helps
16:40:50  <MeusH> np, I just googled :)
16:41:00  <TL|Away> I was too lazy :p
16:41:18  <MeusH> TL|Away: how about making a (long awaited) webpage with scenarios to download?
16:41:32  <MeusH> says some are downloadable
16:41:35  <TL|Away> MeusH: not my department
16:41:40  <MeusH> so... whose?
16:41:44  <TL|Away> Darkvater I guess
16:41:48  <MeusH> okay
16:42:16  <MeusH> anyway the link is
16:43:16  <trogdorx> are tracks supposed to cost a shitload in the r5422 MiniIN?
16:43:57  <MeusH> HOLY COWS
16:44:14  <trogdorx> are tracks supposed to cost a shitload in the r5422 MiniIN?
16:44:17  <trogdorx> for crying out loud
16:44:19  <trogdorx> can someone reply?
16:44:29  <MeusH> I just downloaded sth with a speed of over 1400 kB/s
16:44:48  <Sacro> lol
16:44:51  <MeusH> I haven't ever seen something like that with my current net provider
16:44:54  <Sacro> 1 floppy/sec
16:44:58  <MeusH> :P
16:45:07  <MeusH> Usually I dl things 8kB/s
16:45:15  <MeusH> however, sometimes it goes 1,5kB/s
16:45:26  <MeusH> I phone them and shout at them
16:45:39  <MeusH> and for two days I have ~20kB/s
16:46:16  <trogdorx> i usually get around 13mb/s
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16:48:26  <MeusH> omg nice
16:48:45  <MeusH> that would be over 1CD/min :)
16:50:17  <MiHaMiX> the biggest bandwidth I managed to use practically was 1.86Gbit/s between two servers
16:50:57  <Sacro> trogdorx: how can you have a mb?
16:50:57  <trogdorx> yea, but networkied servers?
16:51:03  <trogdorx> fine
16:51:05  <trogdorx> mB/s
16:51:11  <trogdorx> no wait
16:51:14  <Sacro> :P
16:51:14  <trogdorx> megabyte/s
16:51:16  <trogdorx> bastard
16:51:16  <MeusH> megabyte?
16:51:18  <Sacro> MB :P
16:51:24  <MeusH> megabit?
16:51:27  <Sacro> M = mega, m = milli
16:51:28  <trogdorx> megabyte
16:51:41  <Sacro> B= byte, b=bit (generally)
16:51:42  <trogdorx> i have a 100mbit connection
16:51:48  <MeusH> b = bit B = byte :)
16:51:59  <trogdorx> oh for fucks sake
16:52:02  <Sacro> 100 millibit...
16:52:07  <trogdorx> thirten megabytes per second
16:52:11  <trogdorx> thirteen*
16:52:39  <toweri> And Mi = 2^(20), M = 10^6
16:52:45  <toweri> To add to the confusion ;)
16:53:08  <trogdorx> ehm
16:53:10  <trogdorx> i know this shit
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16:53:14  <trogdorx> i just dont care about it :)
16:53:35  <trogdorx> anyways, 100mBIt
16:53:43  <trogdorx> ok this keyboard is getting on my nerves
16:53:53  <Sacro> lol
16:53:56  <Sacro> Mbit
16:53:58  <trogdorx> 100mBps
16:54:03  <Sacro> nooo, M
16:54:11  <trogdorx> its too late
16:54:12  <trogdorx> anyways
16:54:17  <Sacro> you cant have a millibit
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16:54:26  <trogdorx> are tracks supposed to cost a shitload r5422 mini nightly?
16:54:48  <Sacro> depends
16:54:56  <trogdorx> wait..
16:55:00  <trogdorx> no they cost less
16:55:00  <trogdorx> wtf
16:55:19  <trogdorx> 6 for 2 diagonal
16:56:14  <trogdorx> thats not normal is it?
16:56:27  <trogdorx> oh there it is
16:56:34  <trogdorx> 2 diagonal tracks in the farms
16:56:41  <trogdorx> ,876
16:57:20  <trogdorx> and yes construction cost is low
16:57:38  <Sacro> thats cos your destorying farmland
16:57:48  <trogdorx> ...
16:57:57  <trogdorx> its still not supposed to cost ,876
16:58:12  <MeusH> guys you're confusing me
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16:58:27  <MeusH> how about m,876bytes?
16:58:54  <Sacro> errm...
16:58:59  <Sacro> invalid
16:59:14  <Sacro> you cant have .876 of a byte i dont think
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17:12:53  <Brianetta> peter1138: ping
17:18:05  <MeusH> how do you dare play ping pong here?
17:18:13  <MeusH> shame on you
17:18:50  <Sacro> |.
17:19:17  <Sacro>                     .|
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17:20:25  <toweri> |.
17:20:34  <toweri>                      | .
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17:24:53  <Sacro> toweri: hehe, 1:0 to me
17:25:01  <toweri> oops
17:25:11  <Sacro> unless...
17:25:19  <Sacro>                                                       .| saved!
17:29:55  <hylje> :o
17:33:40  <Sacro> :P
17:34:25  <toweri> d:
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17:36:05  <Sacro> :B
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17:36:26  <TL|Away> cheaters
17:38:11  <Sacro> TL|Away: nah we isnt
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17:56:20  <CIA-3> miham * r5442 /trunk/lang/danish.txt:
17:56:20  <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-01 19:56:03
17:56:20  <CIA-3> danish - 12 fixed by Bjarni (12)
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18:39:39  <Rens2Sea> File ``\newgrf\'' lost in cache.
18:39:42  <Rens2Sea> help? :(
18:40:24  <scia> Rens2Sea: add an 'f' :)
18:40:35  <Rens2Sea> ...
18:40:39  <Rens2Sea> File ``\newgrf\ph_hovs_bus.grf'' lost in cache.
18:40:41  <Rens2Sea> happy now?
18:41:08  <scia> yes :p
18:41:12  <scia> what did you do?
18:41:14  <Rens2Sea> good
18:41:15  <Rens2Sea> now help me :o
18:41:26  <Rens2Sea> added some more grf's
18:41:33  <scia> ok
18:41:35  <Rens2Sea> is there a limit? :/
18:41:44  <scia> some grf can conflict with eachother
18:41:50  <scia> try to isolate the problem
18:42:15  <scia> there is a limit too, but that limit is very high in the nightlies i believe
18:46:22  * scia is away
18:46:24  <scia> bye
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18:50:12  <Sacro> Rens2Sea: pb not ph
18:51:04  <Rens2Sea> eh?
18:52:03  <Sacro> ok, /nick og /quit var på en båt. /nick falt av, hvem satt igjen?
18:52:46  <Rens2Sea> o_o
18:53:01  <Sacro> O_o
18:53:01  <Bjarni> <-- o_O
18:53:07  <Bjarni> fish tank simulator???
18:53:16  <Sacro> Bjarni: been there, played that
18:53:26  <Bjarni> I rest my case
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18:53:42  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	ok, /nick og /quit var på en båt. /nick falt av, hvem satt igjen? <-- that would be /quit
18:53:50  <Sacro> Bjarni: :)
18:53:52  <Bjarni> but why did you write it in Norwegian?
18:54:17  <Sacro> because i can
18:55:00  <Bjarni> I can walk from here to say Rome. That's not the same as will do it
18:55:38  <Sacro> maybe, maybe not
18:55:45  <Bjarni> Sacro might
18:55:58  <Bjarni> but then again, he got nothing better to do :P
18:56:53  <Sacro> i cant walk to Rome
18:56:57  <Sacro> theres water in the way
18:57:19  <Bjarni> ok, I will allow you to take a boat in Dover to get to the other side
18:57:35  <Sacro> Dover to Rome?
18:57:43  <Bjarni> no
18:57:53  <Bjarni> to Calaris (or whatever that place is called)
18:58:01  <Sacro> hmm
18:58:03  <Sacro> Calais
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18:58:50  <Bjarni> alternatively you can swim across
18:59:50  <Bjarni> or you can try to figure out how to walk on the water. It's mentioned in history, so it might be possible
18:59:57  <Sacro> oooh, maybe so
18:59:58  <Bjarni> you would not be the first to do it
19:00:23  <Sacro> no, thats true
19:00:28  <Sacro> ill wait for an icy day first though
19:00:33  <Bjarni> hey, get two plane seats (those, which floats) and tie them to your shoes. Then you can walk on water
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19:00:59  <C-Funky> hi all, going to watch t.v.
19:01:08  <Bjarni> thanks for the info
19:01:12  <Bjarni> who are you?
19:01:55  <ln-> T minus 9 minutes
19:01:55  <Sacro> C-Funky: and you joined irc because...?
19:01:59  <C-Funky> hmm
19:02:04  <C-Funky> mingw, i think i'm getting it
19:02:05  <C-Funky> ttyl
19:02:12  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	ill wait for an icy day first though <-- in a location with palm trees during a global warming?
19:02:18  <Sacro> Bjarni: yep
19:02:19  <C-Funky> i just need some files who are corrupted on the wiki and i can't dl them
19:02:27  <C-Funky> but else everything is working :L)
19:02:29  <C-Funky> :)
19:02:50  <Bjarni> ln-: see you in 12 days (hopefully)
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19:03:28  <heller> can i run server from console in unix?
19:03:33  <heller> i mean without any X
19:04:16  <Bjarni> yes
19:04:26  <Bjarni> make a dedicated server
19:04:37  <heller> k
19:04:42  <Sacro> doesnt need to be server, can run OpenTTD too
19:04:53  <Bjarni> that would make little sense ;)
19:05:12  <heller> but i only want server for linux :)
19:05:24  <heller> how fast connection does it require for 10players?
19:05:31  <Sacro> Bjarni: it saves on starting X
19:06:07  <Bjarni> heller: you can edit Makefile.config to make a dedicated server, then you will not even need the libs for X and making the stuff for the user interface (like SDL)
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19:07:24  <Wolf01> bye
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19:11:04  <Bjarni> ln-: does NASA TV lag at your location as well?
19:12:44  <Bjarni> ahh, all it takes is to complain about it
19:12:51  <Bjarni> now it's more or less perfect :)
19:13:27  <Sacro> ?
19:13:44  <ln-> Bjarni: no lag
19:13:55  <Sacro> nasa tv?
19:14:09  <ln-> National Aeronautics and Space Administration TeleVision.
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19:17:29  <Bjarni> URL?
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19:17:48  <Bjarni> it's likely better than the image I get. IT's rather small :(
19:18:15  <Bjarni> oh
19:18:19  <Bjarni> nevermind
19:18:29  <Bjarni> most likely the same URL :P
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19:20:47  <heller> Bjarni, okay.. i guess
19:20:48  <heller> mabe
19:20:50  <heller> maybe*
19:20:51  <heller> not
19:20:52  <heller> :)
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19:22:09  <heller> btw, is here any openttd admins?
19:22:14  <ln-> mms://
19:22:16  <heller> i mean ppl who make it?
19:22:46  <Bjarni> err
19:22:49  <Bjarni> I'm here :)
19:23:13  <heller> ah :)
19:23:18  <heller> i have something to do for you
19:23:39  <ln-> did you mean to say "i have something i want to do for you"?
19:23:53  <[Shaman]> probably not, ln- :P
19:24:21  <Bjarni> for me to to me?
19:24:27  <Bjarni> err
19:24:34  <Bjarni> for me or to me?
19:24:50  <heller> when user disconnects from server, he/she should have choise to have hes/her company sold or auctioned or just deleted
19:24:58  <heller> a choise
19:25:03  <Sacro> hmm, an interesting thought
19:25:27  <heller> cos sometimes i see irrited ppl (me including) when ppl only make maybe one train and then leave
19:25:30  <Bjarni> heller: goto and make a feature request
19:25:31  <ln-> heller: impossible. you need to create a fork of the game.
19:25:38  <Bjarni> otherwise I will just forget it
19:25:56  <heller> it would be nicer to have new ppl to make new companies instead of having one company with one train
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19:26:02  <heller> Bjarni, okies
19:26:03  <heller>  :)
19:26:31  <heller> argh
19:26:34  <heller> do i need to register?
19:26:42  <Sacro> heller: dont you like my 1 train companies?
19:26:47  <heller> heh
19:26:49  <Sacro> register for what?
19:27:00  <heller> to make feature request
19:27:17  <Bjarni> that is the preferred way. Basically somebody can reply to a feature request/bug report to ask for stuff
19:27:23  <Bjarni> not more than that
19:27:32  <Bjarni> your email will not be public available
19:27:35  <heller> ah got it
19:27:37  <heller> makin ano
19:27:43  <Sacro> just come here and say OI DEVS :P do this
19:27:59  <heller> OI DEVS, do this: when user disconnects from server, he/she should have choise to have hes/her company sold or auctioned or just deleted
19:28:02  <heller> like that? :D
19:28:09  <Sacro> heller: yep :)
19:28:11  <Bjarni> !insult Sacro
19:28:20  <heller> now im expectin that Bjarni will have it done by new version :)
19:28:35  <Bjarni> damn, the bot is offline
19:28:38  <Bjarni> how did that happen???
19:28:48  <peter1138> yes
19:28:53  <peter1138> great idea
19:29:11  <heller> Bjarni, he thinks my idea is great and started flooding your forums about it
19:29:15  <peter1138> so my connection drops and i lose my company?
19:29:17  <heller> and took a time off from irc for that
19:29:28  <heller> peter1138, not in that case
19:29:42  <Bjarni> peter1138: it will never be like that
19:29:54  <peter1138> i know
19:30:08  <peter1138> it wouldn't get in
19:30:15  <Sacro> !slap Bjarni
19:30:16  <Bjarni> it is somebody leaves on purpose
19:30:26  <Bjarni> +when
19:30:36  <heller> +boo
19:30:40  <heller> Bjarni, why did you say boo?
19:30:45  <heller> are you trying to scare us?
19:30:56  <heller> (ha ha ha)
19:30:58  <Sacro> -boo
19:30:59  <heller> anyway
19:31:03  <Bjarni> well, I scared our bot away :|
19:31:05  <Sacro> :P mwahahaha, i countered you
19:31:08  <heller> Bjarni :)
19:31:14  <Sacro> with my l33t diff skills
19:31:17  <heller> Sacro, evil :J
19:31:19  <heller> anyway
19:31:21  <heller> im off to somewhere
19:31:26  <heller> catch ya later
19:31:27  <heller> ->
19:31:32  <Sacro> heller: see you's later
19:31:33  <Bjarni> you will never catch me
19:31:40  <Bjarni> I'm uncatchable
19:31:46  <Sacro> your the gingerbread man?
19:31:56  <Bjarni> lol
19:32:08  * Sacro is sat eating them now
19:32:17  <Bjarni> actually what is the British story about the gingerbread man?
19:32:48  <Bjarni> I have seen it mentioned in more than one place, but I guess there is a story behind it
19:33:27  <Sacro> errm...ill see if i can find it
19:34:00  <Sacro> Bjarni:
19:34:26  <XeryusTC> peter1138: ping
19:34:55  <Sacro> XeryusTC: pong
19:35:16  <XeryusTC> Sacro has a split personallity?
19:35:27  <Sacro> XeryusTC: maybe
19:35:30  <Sacro> maybe not
19:35:50  <peter1138> pong
19:35:51  <XeryusTC> did you consider to see a srink?
19:36:05  <peter1138> i might disappear
19:36:10  <peter1138> low battery
19:36:12  <XeryusTC> peter1138: there seems to be a problem conserning grfs
19:36:20  <Bjarni> Sacro: ahh. We got a similar story, but with a pancake
19:36:29  <Sacro> pancake?
19:36:32  <Bjarni> peter1138: start the generator
19:36:44  <Sacro> XeryusTC: im seeing one
19:36:54  <XeryusTC> we're using DBset with the alpine grf on the #openttdcoop sandbox
19:36:56  <Sacro> concerning :P
19:37:01  <Bjarni> Sacro: yeah, one of those really flat "cakes" you "bake" on a pan
19:37:32  <Sacro> Bjarni: yes, i know :) like a yorkshire pudding but fried
19:37:49  <XeryusTC> the server gives asserts because some wagons have invalid cargo types because the DB set wasnt originally meant to be used in the arctic climate (which we're playing in)
19:38:09  <Sacro> hmm, im confuesed as to the difference of "A" and 'A' in C
19:38:13  <XeryusTC> peter1138: still there?
19:38:31  <Sacro> im guessing its that 'A' = 'A', whereas "A" = 'A' '/0'
19:39:21  <peter1138> " is a string, ' is a char
19:39:38  <XeryusTC> peter1138: the exact message: openttd: newgrf_engine.c:871: GetCustomEngineSprite: Assertion `cargo != GC_INVALID' failed.
19:39:44  <peter1138> xeryus, yes, but i'm not gboing to look at it
19:39:48  <Sacro> peter1138: yes...but surely a string is a group of chars?
19:39:56  <XeryusTC> :(
19:39:56  <[Shaman]> a string is an array of chars
19:40:03  <peter1138> sacro, exactly
19:40:06  <peter1138> a char isn't
19:40:10  <XeryusTC> [Shaman]: same differense
19:40:11  <Sacro> "hello" == 'h''e''l''l''o'' ?
19:40:36  <Bjarni> ...
19:40:37  <Sacro> bet its null termination that differs...
19:40:47  <Sacro> Bjarni: im sat reading C Primer Plus
19:40:54  <Bjarni> it's actually really tricky to find a picture of a proper pancake
19:41:07  <Bjarni> now I ended up finding a recipe for them in Danish
19:41:12  <Bjarni> I don't think that will help a lot
19:42:03  <Sacro> i could go make one...
19:42:44  <Bjarni> no need
19:42:58  <Bjarni> except if you want to eat it, then I will not stop you :)
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19:44:00  <Sacro> i quite fancy some actually, but i dont think we have maple syrup
19:44:16  <Bjarni> NASA gave up on getting into space today
19:44:34  <Sacro> reason?
19:44:38  <Bjarni> thunder
19:44:48  <Sacro> hmm, i was hoping "wrong kind of leaves"
19:45:14  <Bjarni> or rather, they are scared that they will start thunder by launching
19:45:43  <Bjarni> the weather appears to be fine in the video
19:45:53  <Bjarni> a bit cloudy, but no rail or thunder
19:46:11  <Bjarni> and the clouds do not appear to be a thunder risk
19:46:21  <C-Funky> Sacro pm
19:46:41  <Sacro> C-Funky: you lie
19:46:59  <Sacro> thunder is no harm
19:47:04  <Sacro> lightning maybe...
19:47:14  <C-Funky> personal message...
19:47:22  <Sacro> C-Funky: none that i can see
19:47:32  <Bjarni> you know what would be funny?
19:47:48  <C-Funky> ok, then press /query C-Funky
19:48:02  <Sacro> done
19:48:23  <Bjarni> if everything would be just fine if they had launched and that before their attempt tomorrow, it will be bad weather and the space shuttle will be hit by lightning on the ground
19:48:27  <C-Funky> now you can see what i type you?
19:48:30  <Sacro> in principle, only requires one bit of memory, because that is enough to cover the full range from 0 to 1.
19:48:33  <Sacro> C-Funky: nope
19:48:37  <Sacro> are you registered?
19:48:39  <C-Funky> duh
19:48:44  <C-Funky> well, not on this server...
19:48:50  <Sacro> ...
19:48:51  <Bjarni> you need to
19:48:56  <Sacro> hence the lack of pm
19:49:00  <Bjarni> otherwise you can't send private messages
19:49:11  <Bjarni> they added that due to a serious spam issue
19:49:11  * Sacro considers setting up an ssh lightswitch system
19:49:31  <Sacro> or a clapper
19:49:47  <Bjarni> you want to give each of your lambs in your room an IPv6 address?
19:49:58  <Bjarni> and Wifi?
19:50:35  <C-Funky> ok now?
19:50:39  <Bjarni> actually it would be kind of cool to have computer controlled lights and stuff
19:50:41  <Sacro> hmm, is 12E20 floating point? im sure it isnt
19:50:58  <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah it would, especially when im out
19:51:06  <Bjarni> and an always on computer, that got speech to text, so you can just say certain commands to turn on the lights, open the window or whatever
19:51:57  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	Bjarni: yeah it would, especially when im out <-- "open the front door 100%... oops, now I can't close it again... I better get home in a hurry"
19:52:29  <C-Funky> sacro?
19:52:32  <Sacro> Bjarni: hehe
19:52:40  <Sacro> C-Funky: yes'm?
19:52:45  <C-Funky> pm!
19:53:08  <Sacro> C-Funky: i know!
19:53:15  <C-Funky> ohh ok
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19:54:02  <black_Nightmare> hey brianetta ?
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19:54:49  <C-Funky> i have this problem with mingw, in the wiki it says to type svn help but the mysys proggy sais it's unknown command, i did unpacked the svn zip to where i was told...
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19:56:53  <RichK67> hi all
19:57:05  <black_Nightmare> hey richk :p
19:57:30  <MeusH> hey RuchK67
19:57:32  <MeusH> sorry
19:57:35  <MeusH> RichK67
19:57:44  <RichK67> lol - thats ok mouse
19:57:44  <MeusH> I've got a question to you
19:57:50  <RichK67> ;)
19:58:54  <MeusH> did you update my tooltips patch? I'd like to know because I'm going on holidays, my parents are taking the PC to watch the movies, and I think I may do some coding in a stormy day
19:59:13  <Brianetta> (:
20:00:23  <RichK67> nope
20:00:56  <MeusH> allright
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20:01:27  <black_Nightmare> hey eddi
20:03:03  <Sacro> ooh tis him
20:05:29  <Sacro> hm, anyone there?
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20:07:55  <MeusH> sure
20:08:29  <black_Nightmare> sacro...I am...just pondering about my particular junctions in.....umm...another game :p
20:08:54  <Sacro> :o
20:08:59  <Sacro> shock horrer
20:09:44  <black_Nightmare> sacro...?
20:10:05  <Sacro> black_Nightmare: what game?
20:10:20  <MeusH> another :|
20:10:28  <Sacro> MeusH: i know!
20:10:30  <black_Nightmare> sacro.. ttdpatch
20:10:32  <Sacro> the cheek of it
20:10:36  <black_Nightmare> hehe meush
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20:22:42  <MeusH> cya people
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20:23:00  <black_Nightmare> what you doing anyhow sacro?
20:23:24  <Sacro> listening to the lightning seeds and reading a CHM
20:24:26  <RichK67> bugger it... we screw up against the portuguese, and now the beatable french are winning :(
20:24:44  <Sacro> hmm
20:24:45  <black_Nightmare> hehe ok :p
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20:37:03  <TL|Away> <- isn't it a sweet pussy?
20:37:17  <TL|Away> I think she is really really really sweet :)
20:38:21  <Sacro> pussy?
20:38:29  <RichK67> awwww
20:38:33  <TL|Away> poesie mauw
20:38:37  <TL|Away> I only fail to translate
20:39:32  <MiHaMiX> kitty
20:39:38  <TL|Away> tnx
20:39:49  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: it's in the name of the picture, too :P
20:39:57  <TL|Away> DOH!
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20:43:14  <TL|Away> 1+1=2
20:43:15  <TL|Away> 2+2=4
20:43:17  <TL|Away> 4+4=8
20:43:19  <TL|Away> 8+8=17
20:43:21  <TL|Away> compute error
20:43:23  <TL|Away> closing
20:43:23  <trogdorx> yea
20:43:32  <trogdorx> why 17? :\
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20:43:43  <TL|Away> FPU is damaged
20:44:12  <MiHaMiX> trogdorx: you can decrease both sides with 16.5, then raising them to square :)
20:44:31  <MiHaMiX> decrease = substract 16.5 from each side :)
20:45:08  <TL|Away> trogdorx: what he wants to say: 8.3 + 8.3 = 16.6. But rounded it gives: 8 + 8 = 17
20:45:26  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: no:)
20:45:32  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: 17 = 16
20:45:41  <TL|Away> okay, true :p
20:45:42  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: 0.5 = -0.5
20:45:43  <TL|Away> my mistake :)
20:45:49  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: 0.25 = 0.25 :)
20:45:59  <TL|Away> that last statement is true very much yes
20:45:59  <TL|Away> :)
20:46:04  <MiHaMiX> 0.25 = 0.5^2 = -0.5^2
20:46:30  <Sacro> true = false
20:46:40  <MiHaMiX> if you substract 16.5 from both sides (17 and 16), you'll get 0.5 = -0.5
20:46:50  <Sacro> which is true
20:46:52  <Sacro> almos
20:46:52  <Sacro> t
20:47:16  <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: you are a weirdo
20:47:18  <TL|Away> :p
20:47:29  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: :P
20:47:59  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: no, i'm just a qualified programme designer mathematician, so I knows these jokes :D
20:48:25  <TL|Away> was it a joke?!?!?! :p
20:48:37  <TL|Away> and say that title 3 times fast
20:48:39  <TL|Away> come on
20:48:41  <TL|Away> you can do it :)
20:48:54  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: I can prove you that 2 = infinity, but I'm too lazy to type that much.. it's a geometry-based prove
20:49:06  <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: yeah, I can prove that 2 = 3
20:49:21  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: everybody can :D
20:49:28  <TL|Away> not everybody
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20:49:40  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: well, maybe :)
20:49:42  <TL|Away> enough morrons on this world that can't even answer what 1 / 0 results in :)
20:49:47  <Sacro> TL|Away: inf
20:49:51  <Sacro> !calc 1/0
20:49:55  <Sacro> damn, no bot
20:49:58  <MiHaMiX> lol
20:50:06  <TL|Away> Sacro: we will not discuss it again, but not inf :)
20:50:09  <MiHaMiX> Sacro: NaN :D
20:50:11  <TL|Away> undefined is a better answer :)
20:50:11  <[Shaman]> N/A
20:50:18  <MiHaMiX> Not a Number
20:50:29  <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: it isn't 'a' number indeed :)
20:50:46  <TL|Away> but okay
20:50:46  <Sacro> hmm
20:50:47  <Sacro> its -1
20:50:51  <TL|Away> maths at 23:00 is bad
20:50:53  <MiHaMiX> Sacro: lol :D
20:51:03  <Sacro> MiHaMiX: you know your a programmer...
20:51:47  <MiHaMiX> Sacro: ok, sorry :)
20:51:49  * Sacro wonders if 2.5TB is enough ram to store 1/0
20:51:50  <TL|Away> <- it doesn't matter how many time I watch it, it keeps make me smiling :)
20:51:57  <Sacro> watch?
20:52:08  <TL|Away> make = making, smiling = smile
20:52:11  <TL|Away> view
20:52:11  <TL|Away> what ever
20:52:28  <Sacro> watch seems to give the impression it does something
20:52:36  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: I'll show you something more beautiful :)
20:52:41  <RichK67> hi TL - did you update the MiniIN build frequency?
20:52:50  <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: please, keep the pictures of your wife to yourself :p
20:52:56  <TL|Away> RichK67: nope, didn't touch it
20:52:56  <TL|Away> why?
20:52:57  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away:
20:53:09  <RichK67> i would like to go to Mon am, Weds am, Fri am
20:53:09  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: no, it's not my wife :D
20:53:13  <TL|Away> IT IS A HUGE ASS FLY!
20:53:15  <Sacro> MiHaMiX: instead... TL|Away's wife ;)
20:53:23  <TL|Away> Sacro: yeah...
20:53:27  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: and? :DD is't it nice? :DDDDDDDD
20:53:28  <TL|Away> RichK67: why? :p
20:53:32  <RichK67> all european world cup
20:53:35  <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: it is a fly!!
20:53:39  <Sacro> :D3
20:53:51  <RichK67> why?   because it would be better at 3x per week :)
20:53:56  <TL|Away> :p
20:53:59  <TL|Away> always more then you get :)
20:54:05  <TL|Away> (always wanting more then you get)
20:54:08  <TL|Away> bah, my english is bad!!
20:54:14  <RichK67> lol
20:54:22  <TL|Away> t
20:54:24  <Sacro> t?
20:54:27  <TL|Away> I hear you say: just his english
20:54:27  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: you doesn't like this fly? :-(((
20:54:31  <TL|Away> yeah, 't'
20:54:43  <TL|Away> "you don't" is the english word
20:54:47  <TL|Away> you doesn't is wrong :p
20:54:55  <MiHaMiX> ehh
20:54:57  <TL|Away> but I do not fancy this fly, no, sorry :)
20:54:57  <MiHaMiX> you don't
20:55:02  <MiHaMiX> it's way too late :D
20:55:07  <Sacro> you do not
20:55:09  <TL|Away> yup :)
20:55:15  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: ok, let me show you something else :D
20:55:40  <TL|Away> RichK67: you now first have to bribe me
20:55:42  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away:
20:55:44  <Sacro> MiHaMiX: now theres anoffer ;)
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20:56:21  <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: now that I like :)
20:56:58  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away:
20:57:00  <TL|Away> RichK67 / peter1138: changed branch compiling to:
20:57:15  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: or this one:
20:57:19  <TL|Away> MiniIN: mon, wed, fri, at 02:00 local server time
20:57:31  <TL|Away> utf8: tue, fri, at 03:00 local server time
20:57:50  <MiHaMiX> yet another funny background:
20:57:52  <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: I have enough bugs as it is already, thank you
20:57:56  <RichK67> okies :)
20:58:07  <TL|Away> RichK67: does that make you happy?
20:58:13  <TL|Away> I assume your bribe is on his way?
20:58:16  <RichK67> yeah :)
20:58:21  <TL|Away> good
20:58:21  <Sacro> hehe, post it on flyspray
20:58:22  <TL|Away> :p
20:58:29  <RichK67> err...
20:58:31  <Sacro> DV: theres a huge bug :P
20:58:32  <TL|Away> haha
20:58:37  <TL|Away> nailed you there, didn't I RichK67? :)
20:59:08  <[Shaman]>
20:59:09  <RichK67> well... im just doing my accounts, and there is nothing left in my bribe fund :)
20:59:26  <TL|Away> RichK67: so I revert the changes, okay, no problem
20:59:32  <TL|Away> :)
20:59:51  <TL|Away> RichK67: how is it going with MiniIN?
21:00:03  <RichK67> pretty good - i think
21:00:56  <RichK67> lots of popular patches going in - the only problem comes when i sync with trunk and corrections have been made to a line that has MiniIN changes... resolving the conflicts is a nightmare
21:01:16  <TL|Away> yup
21:01:21  <TL|Away> but that was to be expected :)
21:01:38  <TL|Away> mister svn does a lot for you
21:01:42  <RichK67> its only the mega-changes like r5391 that cause problems
21:01:43  <TL|Away> but can't do everything :)
21:02:29  <TL|Away> I remembed I once told Tron I was going to commit my indent run on OpenTTD (I was in a funny mood)
21:02:42  <TL|Away> I remember he almost drop dead at the spot, because of all the conflitcs it would cuase
21:02:49  <RichK67> yup
21:02:52  <TL|Away> some weeks later, he himself does such a commit :)
21:02:55  <TL|Away> but oh well, it is needed
21:02:59  <Sacro> wow, what i link
21:03:15  <MiHaMiX>
21:03:17  <RichK67> sometimes... it makes my life hell sorting the mess out though
21:03:30  <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: you are so pretty :)
21:03:39  <TL|Away> RichK67: always a problem with a close branch, with many changed lines :)
21:03:52  <TL|Away> reminds me I still have to find a way to make indent indent like I want that
21:03:53  <MiHaMiX>
21:03:59  <TL|Away> I can't find the profile to match my needs :)
21:04:15  <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: auch
21:05:34  <Sacro>
21:05:36  <MiHaMiX> another funny background:
21:06:08  <Sacro> nice
21:06:17  <TL|Away> very cool MiHaMiX
21:06:28  <TL|Away> Sacro: shall we trash that topic immediatly?
21:06:37  <Sacro> TL|Away: hehehe
21:06:41  <Sacro> its asking for it
21:06:49  <MiHaMiX>
21:06:52  <Sacro> send Dalestan in
21:07:06  <TL|Away> it for sure is asking for it
21:07:12  <TL|Away> I mean, come on, idioits...
21:07:24  <Sacro> yep
21:07:37  <RichK67> LOL - "send Dalestan in"... makes me think of Monty Burns saying "release the hounds"
21:07:42  <MiHaMiX> anoher funny pic from mihamix:
21:07:57  <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: lol
21:08:15  <Sacro> RichK67: i did think after that, that i should have put "send in the Dalestan"
21:08:39  <TL|Away> Sacro: so many possible replies come in mind
21:08:40  <TL|Away> things like:
21:08:44  <Sacro> MiHaMiX: wasnt that what happen with the channel tunnel?
21:08:44  <TL|Away> "don't start a new game"
21:08:47  <RichK67> "pedants away!!"
21:08:53  <Sacro> "Dont lean on the keyboard"
21:09:10  <TL|Away> "Move your head fast enough to compensate the speed"
21:09:15  <TL|Away> or: "don't move your head"
21:09:27  <Sacro> PEBCAK
21:09:52  <Sacro> insert new user and press any key to continue
21:10:26  <TL|Away> this really is just...
21:10:30  <TL|Away> the signature
21:10:31  <TL|Away> even worse
21:10:42  <TL|Away> hmmz
21:10:46  <TL|Away> in theory I have admin rights
21:10:46  <TL|Away> :p
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21:11:11  * Sacro wants inflatable hammer rights
21:11:27  <Sacro> a giant pink and yellow one
21:11:44  <Sacro> i mean a 4 LETTER SENTANCE
21:11:50  <Sacro> s/letter/word
21:12:01  <Sacro> "when i start a game"
21:12:10  <Sacro> oooh, i could add 4 more words and make it a game :D
21:12:11  <TL|Away> that are 5 words
21:12:21  <Sacro> TL|Away: hush :P
21:12:31  <TL|Away> Sacro: what do you want to add?
21:12:42  <Brianetta> What dod black_nightmare want?
21:12:49  <Sacro> TL|Away: im not sure...theres sooo many repiles
21:12:50  <TL|Away> money?
21:12:57  <TL|Away> Sacro: yeah, I have that problem too
21:12:58  <Sacro> gingerbread men?
21:13:16  <Sacro> TL|Away: copy paste the irc log :)
21:13:27  <TL|Away> After long discussion on #openttd, we decided that there are so many replies possible on this kind of posts, that we will just post all of them:
21:13:30  <TL|Away> I was ahead of you :)
21:13:49  <Sacro> hehe, just about covers it, cos most likely there will be more
21:13:56  <MiHaMiX> okay folks, gn :)
21:14:01  <TL|Away> night MiHaMiX :)
21:14:06  <Sacro> night MiHaMiX
21:15:21  <TL|Away> [23:11:44] <Sacro> i mean a 4 LETTER SENTANCE
21:15:21  <TL|Away> [23:12:01] <Sacro> "when i start a game"
21:15:21  <TL|Away> Really brilliant quote :)
21:15:32  <TL|Away> there are 3 kind of people, those who can count, and those who can't
21:15:35  <Sacro> :o
21:15:55  <Sacro> there are 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who dont
21:16:07  <TL|Away> :)
21:16:15  <Sacro> there are 2 groups of people in the world. those who belive the world can be split into 2 groups...
21:16:16  <TL|Away> any one else a reply for mister I can't make a normal topic?
21:16:36  <Sacro> shall we involve #tycoon?
21:16:59  * Sacro reckons we'd get some more answers
21:17:16  <TL|Away> :) You mean this is a boring channel? :p
21:17:34  <Sacro> nooooooo, they are just more...random and off topic
21:18:10  <TL|Away> true :)
21:20:50  <TL|Away> boring boring boring people.. 110 people in chan, and just 2 talking... :(
21:21:29  <Sacro> TL|Away: hehe, wait for him to reply
21:21:50  <TL|Away> Sacro: maybe he doesn't know how to do that
21:21:58  <TL|Away> I think the forum keeps on scrolling in front of his face
21:22:03  <TL|Away> hard to press thhe right button
21:22:16  <Sacro> TL|Away: well...he did post a topic
21:22:30  <Sacro> there should be an IQ test instead of a captcha
21:22:36  <TL|Away> :)
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21:36:58  <TL|Away> I remember days where you could have long long talks in this channel
21:37:00  <TL|Away> with many many people
21:37:12  <Sacro> ahh the good old days
21:37:14  <TL|Away> these days there are more people sitting here never saying anything
21:37:16  <TL|Away> then something else
21:37:23  <Sacro> TL|Away: /ping #openttd :)
21:37:25  <TL|Away> I really wonder what would happen if we +v everyone who said something
21:37:32  <TL|Away> I think about 80% of the channel will be -v
21:37:37  <Sacro> most likely
21:38:04  <Sacro> !stats
21:38:10  <Sacro> damnit, wheres that bot
21:38:15  <TL|Away> reminds me of the Monthy Python scatch, about the invisible man
21:38:31  <TL|Away> "and here I sit, talking, but everyone ignores me, so I am invisible, nobody notices me"
21:38:32  <hylje> python ftw
21:38:33  <Sacro> hehe, monty python is amazing
21:38:33  <hylje> :>
21:38:39  <TL|Away> (someone tlaking with a REALLY boring voice)
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21:38:59  <TL|Away> Belgium is airing them again, finally (flying circus)
21:39:02  <TL|Away> just lvoely :)
21:40:11  <Sacro> yay
21:40:19  <Sacro> my mates got the full flying circus box set
21:41:19  <TL|Away> why btw doesn't linux make a backup save on segfault or assert?
21:41:20  <RichK67> the larch
21:41:24  <TL|Away> OEH! I want to have that box too!!
21:41:28  <TL|Away> but I don't want to spend money on it :)
21:41:31  <TL|Away> RichK67: indeed, THE LARCH!
21:41:37  <TL|Away> or: SPANISH INQUISITION!
21:41:46  <TL|Away> Or I slap you with a fish :p
21:41:50  <RichK67> nobody expects the spanish inquisition
21:41:56  <TL|Away> "Today we are going to talk about dejavu"
21:42:51  <Sacro> hehd
21:43:03  <Sacro> i miss my movies set :( have to fork out another £20 for it
21:44:26  <TL|Away> hehe
21:45:51  <Sacro> ooh a set of free patches for timidity, i think they should be on the wiki
21:45:58  <Sacro>
21:46:25  <TL|Away> I really wonder why SIGINT isn't captured and a savegame is made in case that happens
21:46:29  <TL|Away> or in case of an assert()
21:46:53  <C-Funky> who knows minGW good here and can help me?
21:47:15  <TL|Away> C-Funky: I guess it depends on your question
21:47:52  <C-Funky> hmm
21:47:52  <Sacro> arrgh, hes back
21:47:59  <Sacro> TL|Away: code it
21:48:32  <TL|Away> Sacro: yeah, possible...
21:48:32  <C-Funky> i just don't understand the process, i save a .diff file or .patch file from the forums on my comp, now what do i to to compile it?
21:48:39  <TL|Away> if openttd wouldn't have C++ in it, I would have done it
21:48:57  <TL|Away> C-Funky: has little to do with mingw, so your begin question was misleading, not to say wrong :)
21:49:07  <TL|Away> next time, ask the question, not try to find out who has knowledge about something you have not :p
21:49:08  <TL|Away> hehe
21:49:13  <TL|Away> anyway, there is a wiki entry about it I believe
21:49:17  <Sacro> TL|Away: its an opensource OS, and an opensource game :P
21:49:18  <TL|Away> but you need a program called 'patch'
21:49:55  <C-Funky> yeah the entry on wiki it totally usless...
21:50:04  <TL|Away> then someone should update it :) Hehehe!
21:50:18  <C-Funky> and it depends on 3 files from a zip file which my computer finds as corrupted...
21:50:26  <TL|Away>
21:50:39  <TL|Away> yeah, then we can stop trying, if you can't open your .zip :)
21:51:31  <TL|Away> (is it really a .zip? Not a .tar.gz or .tar.bz2? :p)
21:51:47  <TL|Away> (btw, for mingw, follow linux way)
21:51:58  <C-Funky> nope, simple zip
21:52:10  <TL|Away> then we can try long and short how you should apply a patch
21:52:14  <TL|Away> but if you can't open the .zip
21:52:19  <TL|Away> we aren't going anywhere till you can
21:52:25  <C-Funky>
21:52:27  <TL|Away> so go back to the source and figure out why you can't open a .zip
21:52:43  <C-Funky> i can open a zip, this specific one is corrupted...
21:52:53  <TL|Away> so, contact the creator of the zip
21:52:57  <TL|Away> we can't help you with that at all
21:53:57  <C-Funky> yeah i guess...
21:54:20  <TL|Away> people did a nice job on wiki :)
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21:57:21  <C-Funky> ok
21:57:27  <C-Funky> it writes svn not found...
21:57:35  <TL|Away> install subversion
21:57:56  <C-Funky> step by step?
21:58:12  <TL|Away> no, just the package :) Should be on the wiki
21:58:19  <C-Funky> tolstoie?
21:58:26  <TL|Away> no, the mingw
21:58:29  <TL|Away> see the wiki or forum post
21:58:31  <TL|Away> it tells that
21:58:53  <C-Funky> yeah, i know it tells you to unzip it into your user folder in the mysys, i did so and it doesn't work...
21:59:10  <RichK67> bbl
21:59:12  <Sacro> :D MIDI
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21:59:14  <TL|Away> then I can't help you, sorry :)
22:00:01  <Sacro> ahh, what crappy quality they really are
22:00:48  <Sacro> i think mod files are so much nicer
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22:01:22  <TL|Away> night all
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22:02:51  <Sacro> TL|Away: night
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22:03:53  <Sacro> why does OpenTTD lag so much :(
22:04:05  <Sacro> i dont see why i should have to use -m null -s null
22:04:32  <Sacro> strangley it sounds better on this laptop with some free patch files, than on my desktop with an Audity
22:04:34  <Sacro> *Audigy
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22:07:25  <[Shaman]> midi sounds crap on a 64-bit sound system :P
22:07:37  <hylje> :b
22:07:46  <[Shaman]> whereas laptop speakers are usually crap and capable of just 32b sound
22:07:54  <Sacro> [Shaman]: possibly true
22:07:55  <[Shaman]> which is much closer to midi
22:08:17  <Sacro> yeah
22:08:20  <Sacro> i prefermod
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22:12:27  <ln->
22:12:46  <hylje> ah
22:14:20  <Sacro> ?
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22:14:34  <Sacro> it all makes sense
22:15:40  <hylje> no
22:17:39  <Eddi|zuHause2>  [2006-07-01 22:51] * Sacro wonders if 2.5TB is enough ram to store 1/0 <- storing "1/0" takes exactly 4 byte ;) (3 characters and a string length, or alternatively a closing 0-byte)
22:18:04  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: ooooh, your right
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22:29:36  <C-Funky> ok i'm back
22:29:40  <C-Funky> anyone here?
22:29:43  <C-Funky> TL|Away?
22:29:51  <C-Funky> Sacro?
22:33:59  <Brianetta> nobody here
22:34:06  <Brianetta> try #openttdcoop
22:34:36  <C-Funky> Brianetta
22:34:45  <C-Funky> i have just a little question, in the mingw
22:35:00  <C-Funky> there's this stage in the wiki where it tells you to go to OpenTTD build directory
22:35:08  <C-Funky> what is this directory?
22:35:44  <Brianetta> When you unpack the source
22:35:50  <Brianetta> you have a directory full of stuff
22:35:53  <Brianetta> That's it
22:36:10  <C-Funky> unpack what source?
22:36:20  <Sacro> C-Funky: ?
22:36:24  <C-Funky> hey
22:36:26  <Brianetta> What are you reading?
22:36:34  <Sacro> the daily star
22:36:35  <C-Funky>
22:36:48  <C-Funky> Code:
22:36:49  <C-Funky> cd ../OpenTTD/trunk
22:36:49  <C-Funky> Change to OpenTTD build directory
22:36:56  <C-Funky> i have no idea what this means...
22:36:56  <Brianetta> Oh, you're using svn
22:37:09  <Brianetta> trunk is the build directory
22:37:40  <C-Funky> which is? my ottd is installed in c:/games/openttd...
22:37:50  <Brianetta> Delete that.
22:37:54  <Brianetta> Well, ignore it.
22:38:00  <Brianetta> It's nothing to do with building a new one.
22:38:18  <Brianetta> Nothing at all.
22:38:34  <Brianetta> What happened when you typed in the command?
22:38:38  <Brianetta> cd ../OpenTTD/trunk
22:38:42  <Brianetta> ??
22:39:00  <Sacro> hehe, its like ssh but sooo much slower
22:39:37  <C-Funky> i need to go to a certain folder... what folder is it? where should it be? where ym game is installed? or somewhere around the msys?
22:39:37  <hylje> in linux compiling a new build is dead easy
22:39:43  <Brianetta> cd ../OpenTTD/trunk
22:39:43  <Brianetta> cd ../OpenTTD/trunk
22:39:43  <Brianetta> cd ../OpenTTD/trunk
22:39:43  <Brianetta> cd ../OpenTTD/trunk
22:39:47  <Brianetta> THAT IS YOUR FOLDER
22:39:54  <Brianetta> It's being SPOON FED to you#
22:39:58  <Brianetta> sorry
22:40:09  <C-Funky> no such file or directory...
22:40:13  <C-Funky> this is what it sais...
22:40:40  <Brianetta> type ls
22:40:42  <Brianetta> ls
22:40:49  <Brianetta> past the output here
22:40:50  <hylje> Brianetta: hes on windows, duh
22:40:56  <Brianetta> hylje: He's in mingw
22:40:59  <hylje> k
22:41:10  <C-Funky> mingw on windows
22:41:32  <Brianetta> Did you run ls?
22:42:11  <C-Funky> what is ls?
22:42:17  <Brianetta> it's like dir
22:42:20  <Sacro> man ls
22:42:20  <Brianetta> unly unixy
22:42:26  <Sacro> only better :P
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22:43:00  <Brianetta> while you're at it, type pwd
22:43:06  <Brianetta> and tell us what *it* says, too
22:43:23  <C-Funky> it sais:
22:44:14  <C-Funky> /home/ %. ... s |
22:44:50  <Sacro> :S? that aint valid
22:44:59  <C-Funky> i guess this jebrish stuff is my user folder.. i have no idea why it's in jebrish... i use english windows and my user acount is in english...
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22:45:22  <C-Funky> ‰…š
22:45:28  <C-Funky> this is what it sais excatly
22:45:32  <black_Nightmare> when anyone seen pikka?
22:46:49  <Sacro> black_Nightmare: i got him online on msn currently i think
22:46:56  <Sacro> hmm, why the UTF-8
22:47:04  <Sacro> or am i missing a charset
22:47:09  <black_Nightmare> could you check if he's still online?  if so you mind forwarding a quick question for me?
22:47:19  <Sacro> yeah, he's there
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22:47:38  <Brianetta> black_Nightmare: You were after me earlier, I'm told
22:47:47  <black_Nightmare> ask if he might know anything about using the uk trainset without the maglevs'?
22:47:57  <Sacro> Brianetta: yes, im his secretary
22:48:07  <black_Nightmare> LOL
22:48:08  <C-Funky> Sacro: no i don't think so, i don't know how to change the user name...
22:48:11  <Brianetta> black_Nightmare: Only option is to use an old version
22:48:33  <Brianetta> Even if the grf is configurable, openttd doesn't configure grfs very well
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22:48:45  <black_Nightmare> brianetta....crap....meh...not using pikka's trainset -or- not using the serbian NG trainset (which replaces maglev) .... decisions decisions!!!
22:49:04  <Brianetta> Pikka's maglevs rule
22:49:12  <Brianetta> anyway
22:49:14  <black_Nightmare> I can't get the NG trainset to replace monorail instead (it requires unifiedmaglev to be enabled in ttdxc so)
22:49:17  <Brianetta> UK *and* Serbian?
22:49:33  <Brianetta> UKRS replaces monorail already
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22:49:53  <Sacro> UKRS doesnt have monorail does it?
22:50:14  <Brianetta> No - because it needs the IDs for real trains.
22:50:18  <black_Nightmare> brianetta... wile released two serbian trainsets.. one is a lengthy serbian standard gauge trainset and other is a small NG serbian trainset that replaces the maglev list (together with ngrailsw.grf to replace track&depot)
22:50:32  <black_Nightmare> I quite like the NG set so..go figure
22:50:37  <Brianetta> (:
22:50:51  <Brianetta> Unfortunately, it would seem that they aren't compatible - although you could try simply loading both
22:50:58  <Brianetta> load UKRS first, then Serbian
22:51:13  <Brianetta> it should overload some UKRS trains (including maglevs, if you'r elucky)
22:51:16  <Sacro> it seems its to with ID's
22:51:28  <black_Nightmare> I'm already looking at alternative trainsets now just in case....the north america one I may try .. I dunno .. I just liked pikka's trains but I dunno know
22:51:30  <Sacro> same as the fun we had wiht London Underground trains
22:51:31  * black_Nightmare blabs :p
22:51:42  <Brianetta> black_Nightmare: Just try it
22:51:47  <Brianetta> UKRS first, Serbian second
22:51:55  <black_Nightmare> and for the record if anyone wanted to know: I have -all- plane and ship id full :)) .. got love that
22:52:04  <black_Nightmare> brianetta...yeah I'll try that already but just in case :p
22:53:28  <black_Nightmare> planesetw_459.grf + newshipsw.grf + 777_gr_107.grf = :D
22:53:47  <black_Nightmare> its a bit funny... cruise ship holds 400 passengers but is quite slow like a real huge cruiser would be
22:53:54  <black_Nightmare> think was like 42km/h or something
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22:54:20  <Brianetta> slow passengers means low profit
22:54:26  <Brianetta> They aren't there for the view
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22:54:54  <black_Nightmare> I know but when you think about it....putting it in the game maybe didn't seem like bad idea... could relieve a overpiling airport
22:55:21  <black_Nightmare> its better than the original two passenger ships which only held 100 or 130 passengers at similar slow speed respectly
22:56:09  <black_Nightmare> I didn't check if they had any fast passenger ships (alak the original hover ship)
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22:57:16  <black_Nightmare> anyway brianetta..I think what I was looking for you for was...I had to ask just when the server resets because this is the third time I've tried check it out and saw its way past year 2020 again as usual
22:57:24  <black_Nightmare> I'm only curious
22:57:39  <Brianetta> As it says on the page
22:57:43  <Brianetta> When I update it,
22:57:47  <Brianetta> I check the year.
22:58:01  <Brianetta> If it's beyond 2050 when I do so, I start a new game.
22:59:07  <black_Nightmare> hm...what year is the current game now? :p
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23:01:12  <Brianetta> It was 2048 when I updated.
23:01:21  <Brianetta> That was hours ago.
23:01:34  <Brianetta> I will next update when a new nightly is released,
23:01:39  <Brianetta> and that will be a new game.
23:02:02  <Brianetta> Is this unclear somehow?
23:03:26  <black_Nightmare> if you say so..ok then
23:03:44  <black_Nightmare> maybe I'll try one last time monday lunchtime and see :p
23:04:44  <Brianetta> If you want a new game, simply get here at or after 18:00 GMT.
23:04:59  <Brianetta> I update manually, so I can't guarantee an immediate update
23:05:07  <black_Nightmare> ughh....what was that in east coast north america time again? :)) ... *is always lost by time zone heh*
23:05:10  <Brianetta> but that point is when I check the game date.
23:05:27  <Brianetta> What's your plu/minus hours?
23:05:55  <Brianetta> I think east coast is -5
23:06:06  <black_Nightmare> right now its a few minutes past 7pm (thats 19:00 I believe)
23:06:13  <Brianetta> so that would be 13:00 GMT
23:06:24  <Brianetta> so that would be 13:00 EST even
23:06:29  <Brianetta> at 18:00 GMT
23:06:38  <Brianetta> Yes, you'r e-5
23:06:58  <black_Nightmare> ah ok....guess I'll check on monday and see
23:06:59  <Brianetta> You should probably pencil that onto your monitor's surround
23:07:04  <Brianetta> "I am in UTC-5"
23:07:10  <Brianetta> or GMT-5
23:07:24  <black_Nightmare> fair enough
23:07:46  <Brianetta> Monday will likely be a late game
23:07:53  <Brianetta> since tomorrow's update will be a new one
23:08:02  <black_Nightmare> oh tomorrow? hm I'll check tomorrow then
23:08:33  <Sacro> hey, its tommorow here
23:09:13  <Brianetta> It's tomorrow here, too, locally
23:09:13  <black_Nightmare> sacro....very funny
23:09:16  <black_Nightmare> :p
23:10:16  <Sacro> Brianetta: strange how its tommorow there too
23:10:20  <black_Nightmare> its like 290 minutes to the start of sunday here :p
23:10:34  <Sacro> but tommorow in relation to who...
23:12:16  <Brianetta> Sat Jul  1 23:12:09 UTC 2006
23:12:21  <Brianetta> It's still today
23:12:34  <black_Nightmare> ;)
23:13:11  <Brianetta> Sun Jul  2 00:13:10 BST 2006
23:13:15  <Brianetta> Locally, it's tomorrow
23:13:23  <Brianetta> Stupid "daylight saving"
23:13:29  <Brianetta> It's  amoronic idea
23:13:32  * Sacro is confused
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23:13:50  <Sacro> a site asked me earlier what timezone i was in, i wsnt sure...i answered GMT
23:13:52  <Brianetta> Sacro: That didn't take much...
23:13:55  <black_Nightmare> seem to make sense tho
23:13:59  <Brianetta> We aren't GMT
23:14:07  <Brianetta> We're GMT for five months in winter
23:14:13  <Brianetta> BST for seven months in summer
23:14:27  <Brianetta> BST = British Stupid Time
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