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00:07:30 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176123173.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:13:04 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-130.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 00:14:20 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 00:14:32 <black_Nightmare> hm drats..Pikka not here neither..oh well 00:14:40 <black_Nightmare> when anyone seen Pikka here before? 00:16:20 <hylje> no 00:16:38 <black_Nightmare> umm I meant 'when have anyone' sorry :) 00:17:53 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B37817.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:19:32 <black_Nightmare> hylje...if you don't mind me asking... http://www.pikkarail.com/ttdp/nars/download.htm I'm not so sure I understand the grf parameters..if I wanted the full set in artic would it be '0 2 1' or do I skip the 'reserved' and just do '2 1'? 00:19:41 <black_Nightmare> sorry if thats a slight dumb question but I wanted to be sure ^_^ 00:19:52 <hylje> im no newgrf wiz 00:20:06 <black_Nightmare> hm thanks anyhow..guess I'll just try one and if it doesn't load..the other then 00:20:07 <black_Nightmare> brb 00:22:37 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-130.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:23:03 <Sacro> god i hate being here 00:23:19 <hylje> :( 00:23:39 <Sacro> my mums house i mean...not irc 00:24:29 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176114031.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:24:53 <hylje> be less ambiguous 00:27:38 *** Triffid_Hunter [n=Splat@funkmunch.net] has joined #openttd 00:32:31 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B767E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:35:38 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-130.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 00:35:58 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has quit [] 00:36:39 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-239-34.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:41:25 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 00:42:40 *** ammler_ [n=ammler@4.157.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:46:47 <black_Nightmare> just curious..any of you have any comments/reccomendations on road vehicle sets? 00:46:58 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: pb_hovs_bus 00:47:41 *** C-Funky [n=yotamst@bzq-84-109-42-175.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [] 00:47:51 <black_Nightmare> heh...may I ask if you have a second one or not really? :-) 00:48:05 <black_Nightmare> (I already got that but was just a bit curious for more variety if I could help it) 00:51:40 <Sacro> errm, think some people use georges long buses 00:52:25 <black_Nightmare> hmm..thanks :) 00:52:38 <black_Nightmare> I well...still sometimes think its amusing there would be Ford Model T's 00:52:52 <black_Nightmare> but then I guess its cheaper than the train for limited $ over short distance routes 00:53:15 <Sacro> yep 00:53:32 <kbrooks> the train costs more $$ 00:53:35 <kbrooks> :P 00:54:01 <hylje> ukrs got a ford model t bus 00:54:03 <hylje> :o 00:55:00 <black_Nightmare> hylje..it can't even climb ANY slope for whatever its worth 00:55:07 <black_Nightmare> I had tried that already so please ^_^ 00:55:11 <black_Nightmare> hehe 00:55:20 <hylje> ukrs is so realistic it hurts 00:55:40 <black_Nightmare> hehe well I like it 00:55:48 <black_Nightmare> makes you rethink sending more coal than ore to the mill etc 00:55:58 <black_Nightmare> and the different loads too like lumber, etc 00:55:58 <black_Nightmare> ;) 00:56:38 <hylje> what was that, wagon speed limit thing 00:56:38 <black_Nightmare> oh yes should I say fuel depots in cities too? finally you can image a network delivering oil from the refinery to the city for them to gas up their buses+cars with 00:56:41 <black_Nightmare> makes it more relastic ;) 00:57:03 <hylje> yes but the fuel depots shouldnt need a station 00:57:11 <hylje> much like oil rigs 00:57:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B767E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:00:51 <kbrooks> whats a fuel depot 01:02:31 <hylje> fuel station 01:02:44 <hylje> you go to get fuel for your automobile there 01:03:11 <black_Nightmare> well looks like george V2 cooperatives well with the HOVS set (I had disabled the V4 one a while ago because it said it wouldn't load due to HOVS..go figure) 01:03:28 <black_Nightmare> guess I can add some vareity of cargo rigs ya (not stuck with 2-axle small trucks) 01:03:32 <black_Nightmare> variety** 01:17:22 <Sacro> petrol is in ECS 01:18:27 <hylje> newindustries will be cool 01:18:35 <Sacro> yup 01:18:44 <Sacro> belugas was working on it last i heard 01:23:10 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 01:23:12 <black_Nightmare> you know... 01:23:32 <black_Nightmare> I tried ECS for a day once...not so sure if its for me..I mean I don't know about having to download all several pieces just because I wanted one or two of them 01:23:43 <black_Nightmare> to our own anyhow but I've liked pikka's industry set for now 01:25:01 <Sacro> lol 01:25:36 <Sacro> ah well, 2:30 am, bedtime 01:26:42 <black_Nightmare> well pikka's industry set is just one grf and there's -not- too many buildings in it :p 01:26:44 <black_Nightmare> to our own 01:26:46 <black_Nightmare> goodnight sacro 01:27:22 <Sacro> goodnight 01:27:23 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-239-34.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 01:41:37 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:42:07 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 02:11:57 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176123173.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 02:24:52 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 02:26:21 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498D703.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 02:36:08 *** Ihmemies_ [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 03:22:02 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 03:25:36 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-207-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! It was you wasn't it!?"] 03:37:24 *** k-man_ [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has joined #openttd 03:39:13 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:54:39 *** Stixsmaster [n=Stixsmas@c-69-243-217-13.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openTTD 03:54:48 <Stixsmaster> hello 03:56:04 <Stixsmaster> anyone know what license the OTTD is under? 03:56:28 <hylje> GPL 03:56:35 <Stixsmaster> its what i thought 03:56:48 <Stixsmaster> cuzz that is what most freeware products are under 03:57:13 <hylje> freeware != Free software 03:57:22 <k-man_> im not sure "freeware" is quite the same as gpl 03:57:26 <Stixsmaster> yea but freeware still can have a copyright 03:57:48 <Stixsmaster> GPL is used on most freeware products that i have used and seen online 03:58:11 <hylje> freeware can just be distributed for no charge 03:58:18 <hylje> its not necessarily Free 03:58:28 <hylje> ie. it can forbid commercial usage 03:58:35 <Stixsmaster> true 03:59:19 <Stixsmaster> but i was checking because i read the GPL erlier becuss i made an AIO zip with TTD, TTDPatch, & OTTD 03:59:43 <Stixsmaster> and so far all those have what i have found out has been under the same license 03:59:47 <hylje> remember, the original TTD is still under a non-Free licence 03:59:55 <Stixsmaster> yes i know 04:00:10 <Stixsmaster> that i may still ned permission i agree 04:00:15 <Stixsmaster> need* 04:01:02 <Stixsmaster> but i had sum dudes getting on my back before about it and i made the zip to make it easier for peeps to find the game and all the best patches and the latest versions for them asap 04:01:41 <hylje> you're the safest not including the TTD files in it, those can be had elsewhere 04:01:47 <hylje> but its extra hassle 04:01:56 <Stixsmaster> yea true 04:02:30 <Stixsmaster> the zip was to make it easier and less of a hassle to search web for everything 04:02:50 <Stixsmaster> but there is another site that you can get TTD for free 04:03:12 <Stixsmaster> so im not the only one redistributing it online 04:03:36 <hylje> yes 04:03:40 <hylje> its to be found online 04:03:48 <hylje> nobody has given a shit about it this far 04:04:04 <Stixsmaster> and if you are wondering about my connection(even though this is off topic) i am using comcast highspeed internet and it isnt wireless its with a cord 04:04:17 <Stixsmaster> yea well i have found sum that will argue with you about it 04:04:40 <hylje> ok, let me elaborate: a big enough shit to get them offline 04:04:41 <hylje> :P 04:05:03 <Stixsmaster> o and i am currently trying to get my channel on IRC on my site to be registerd to its irc host but i needa wait 10 days if spam was aloud once i would type my website in 04:05:29 <Stixsmaster> and that elaboration i understand 04:05:46 <hylje> theres always whiners and devil's advocates 04:06:00 *** Morlark [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 04:06:36 <Stixsmaster> haha 04:06:59 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B767E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:07:29 <Stixsmaster> also can you help out with a graphix problem i keep getting? 04:07:57 <hylje> im sure someone can 04:08:00 <hylje> so ask aloud 04:09:59 <Stixsmaster> well when i put more then 11 new graphics onto my OTTD and run it, it doesnt give any thing about too many sprites but what it does is run the game in the background of the computer and you cant do jack with it all you can do is hit ctrl+alt+delete and then goto the "Processes" part and look for it and see that it is running and using like 99-98 cpu and just end its task meaning shut it down/off and i dont know why 04:10:07 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B767E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:14:17 <Stixsmaster> i posted this on the tt-forums in the OTTD part 04:20:43 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917161.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 04:26:01 <Stixsmaster> cool sumone else joined and still no one knows the answer to my graphics problem 04:26:56 <hylje> its perhaps tricky and the wiz's are prolly sleeping 04:28:06 <Stixsmaster> haha yea 04:28:27 <Stixsmaster> i hope what i said was clear and sounds to me like you understand sumwhat of what im talking about 04:29:29 <Stixsmaster> o and so that i dont advertise by posting a direct link to my site if you would like to visit my site do a google search or what ever type of search for "Stixsworld" and spelling is criticle so spell it precisely 04:29:57 *** The-Moon_ [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:32:45 <Stixsmaster> im off to play sum OTTD so ttyl! 04:32:56 *** Stixsmaster [n=Stixsmas@c-69-243-217-13.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit ["Bye for now!"] 04:33:37 *** toweri_ [i=timo@a80-186-248-17.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 04:40:20 *** toweri [i=timo@a80-186-248-17.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:02:10 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has quit ["Client exiting"] 05:23:31 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387C16F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 05:32:32 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:41:50 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:59:00 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 07:00:04 *** The-Moon_ [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)"] 07:10:28 *** The-Moon_ [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:24:13 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:24:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 07:34:09 *** toweri_ is now known as toweri 07:50:05 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 07:51:27 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 07:55:50 <CIA-3> miham * r5455 /trunk/lang/ (finnish.txt german.txt spanish.txt): 07:55:50 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-04 09:55:23 07:55:50 <CIA-3> finnish - 2 fixed by kerba (2) 07:55:50 <CIA-3> german - 14 fixed by moewe2 (14) 07:55:50 <CIA-3> spanish - 4 changed by eusebio (4) 08:01:52 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [n=johekr@p54B76680.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:06:05 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: you are always at home (at least according to your nick) Don't you go to school or work? 08:06:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes ;) 08:06:30 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 08:06:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, it does not actually mean _I_ am home, but my computer is home ;) 08:07:03 <Bjarni> ahh 08:07:04 <Bjarni> VNC 08:07:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> i am occasionally known as e.g. "Eddi|Uni" if i am at university 08:07:41 <Spoco> RealVNC <3 08:09:37 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B3792E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:14:38 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 08:17:20 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 08:18:03 <peter1138> VNC-- 08:18:29 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 08:20:33 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 08:23:13 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B767E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:39:35 <hylje> http://qdb.us/60986 08:41:39 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:44:10 <Bjarni> I just noticed something 08:44:13 <Bjarni> the AI cheats 08:44:20 <Bjarni> it can always refit for free 08:44:32 <Bjarni> yet I don't think it will ever refit 08:46:31 <hylje> you noticed that only now? 08:50:48 <Bjarni> well, part of it I noticed before 08:51:06 <Bjarni> but the part of that it can do it for free... 08:51:16 <Bjarni> why is it even free for the AI? 08:51:36 <Bjarni> I mean if it never refits anyway, then why check if it is an AI? 08:51:41 <hylje> free terraforming too 08:51:54 <Bjarni> an if, that's always false is just a waste of cycles 08:55:10 <peter1138> take it out then :D 08:56:20 <ln-> it's Bjarni 08:56:31 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:56:43 <Bjarni> actually I'm trying to do something else 08:57:35 <hylje> omg 08:57:36 <hylje> no 08:57:37 <hylje> ! 08:57:41 <Bjarni> I'm wondering about making Clone vehicles pay the refit cost as well, but it would mean that I will have to make a function to get the price to refit a certain engine type before it's build 08:58:09 *** fusey [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22"] 08:58:31 <Bjarni> peter1138: you did some work on refit, right? 08:58:35 <scia> why would you pay refit cost for a carriage that you just bought anyway? 08:58:48 <Bjarni> that's the next thing 08:59:06 <scia> nice :) 08:59:36 <Bjarni> actually maybe I should just skip the autoreplace thing and go strait to figure out why it cost money refitting something brand new 09:01:28 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean you want to make the first refit free? 09:01:46 <RichK67_wrk> yeah - that is just silly atm 09:02:12 <Eddi|zuHause> how about, you choose the cargo type _before_ you buy it? 09:02:25 <Bjarni> say if you refit within 10 days or something 09:02:29 <Bjarni> or before it's bought 09:02:54 <Eddi|zuHause> like a dropdown box in the buy list 09:03:05 <Bjarni> yeah 09:03:08 <Bjarni> that would be cool 09:03:23 <Bjarni> specially because then people can see all the stuff it can refit to BEFORE it's bought 09:03:36 <Eddi|zuHause> right ;) 09:03:40 <Bjarni> useful when using custom refit masks 09:04:34 <RichK67_wrk> mart3p has already created a patch that shows the possible refits 09:04:53 <Eddi|zuHause> but that can cause problems, too... like some wagon refits are only possible with certain engines 09:05:10 <Bjarni> hmm 09:05:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm thinking of the Rheingold wagons 09:05:31 <Bjarni> RichK67_wrk: where is that patch? 09:05:44 <Bjarni> I can't recall ever seeing it 09:06:43 <RichK67_wrk> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25681 09:07:07 <ln-> Bjarni: did you evaluate the Patch? 09:07:27 <hylje> ooh, the Patch? 09:08:01 <Bjarni> oops 09:08:04 <Bjarni> I forgot 09:10:25 *** ammler [n=ammler@161.147.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 09:10:36 *** joed_ [n=James@58.168.212.10] has joined #openttd 09:11:17 <Bjarni> ln-: for a start, I can't tell the difference here 09:15:25 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 09:16:15 *** Stixsmaster [n=Stixsmas@c-69-243-217-13.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openTTD 09:16:31 <Stixsmaster> hey figured out my graphix problem from erlier 09:17:12 <Bjarni> sprite limit, right? 09:17:23 <Stixsmaster> i was doing what others thought i was doing and that was going over the sprite limit so now im requesting to be able to have a larger sprite limit in later versions of this 09:18:24 <Stixsmaster> i have all from this one site and they are excellent and now i want the new water graphic and well i cant get it because i exceed the sprite limit with it so im sacrificing not having it 09:18:28 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138's last reply to that request was 'no way' 09:18:56 <Eddi|zuHause> (that was like 2 days ago) 09:19:57 <Stixsmaster> yea well before the effect was the game would hide in background of pc without you knowing unless you type ctrl+alt+delete and then looked in the processes for game and saw it using 99-98 cpu and ended its task 09:20:17 <Stixsmaster> that only happens if you go waaaaay over the sprite limit 09:22:40 <peter1138> no it doesn't 09:22:50 <peter1138> over the sprite limit == error popup 09:23:04 <peter1138> ahh 09:23:09 <peter1138> but only in the nightlies 09:23:21 <peter1138> in 0.4.7- anything can happen 09:24:12 <peter1138> anyway, the sprite limit can't be increased without either: 09:24:21 <peter1138> 1) changing a sprite id from 32 to 64 bits 09:24:36 <peter1138> 2) splitting sprite id and palette map, and leaving both as 32 bits 09:24:41 <peter1138> 3) a redesign 09:24:48 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:25:51 <Stixsmaster> ok well when i go waaaay over the sprite limit i told you what happens when i run the game then 09:26:01 <peter1138> well, use a nightly 09:26:07 <peter1138> better support anyway 09:26:20 <Stixsmaster> i thought it wasnt as stable 09:26:49 <RichK67_wrk> stixs - from your config, you have some DOS grfs and their Windows versions as well... drop the DOS ones 09:27:58 <Stixsmaster> all the downloaded grfs i have are windows all the others are what come with v0.4.7 09:30:07 <RichK67_wrk> no - you have LongBusesNA.grf (DOS) and LongBusesNAw.grf (windows)... LongBuses.grf (DOS) LongBusesw.grf (Windows)... 09:30:38 <Stixsmaster> i dont have any of those you must be reading my TTDPatch config 09:31:57 <Stixsmaster> actually i dont even see those in my TTDPatch so i have no idea what you are looking at 09:33:00 <RichK67_wrk> ah - sorry, maybe im confusing you with someone else who complained about "i cant load 25 gazillion sprites... why not?" 09:33:12 <Stixsmaster> lol mayb 09:33:36 <Stixsmaster> but if you have aim i can send you my config file and you can see what graphix i use 09:33:44 <RichK67_wrk> ah yes - gkirilov 09:34:07 <Stixsmaster> and i guess you know lots about grfs for OTTD? 09:34:10 <RichK67_wrk> sorry i dont 09:34:17 <RichK67_wrk> peter is the guru 09:35:28 <guru3> people have to stop saying guru randomly 09:35:31 <guru3> it pings me :/ 09:35:33 <Stixsmaster> so your aim sn is gkirilov? if so i added it and you aint online 09:36:06 <RichK67_wrk> nope - gkirilov is the guy i was confusing you with 09:36:09 <RichK67_wrk> i think 09:36:21 <Stixsmaster> o ok well can i get your aim sn? 09:36:37 <Stixsmaster> ill send you my config and you can tell see what grfs i use 09:37:01 <Stixsmaster> unless anyone else cares enuff that theyd like to look 09:38:54 <RichK67_wrk> stixs: i dont have one 09:39:14 <RichK67_wrk> as i said: [10:34] RichK67_wrk: sorry i dont 09:40:44 <Stixsmaster> o ok sry didnt catch that and ill either later post the contents of my config on my site or in the tt-forums in wha ti believe to be the proper part and o so i dont get caught for spamming do a search for my site in google by typeing in the search box "Stixsworld" and type it precisely or you wont get the proper link 09:41:28 <Stixsmaster> and sry if my typing is off it is about 6 AM here and ive been up all night 09:44:10 <Stixsmaster> as a matter of fact night all ill be back on later today mayb but later tonite for july 4th my friend is taking me to a fireworks show and i may sleep till then now and also everyone i am so glad to slowly be learning litlle by little about this game because i may just may become a modder in sum sort of way or a graphix designer 09:44:32 <Stixsmaster> and check out my site to see if i posted the contents of my config or the tt-forums 09:44:45 *** Stixsmaster [n=Stixsmas@c-69-243-217-13.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit ["PJIRC Chat MOD User"] 09:45:24 *** mode/#openttd [+b Stixsmaster!*@*] by peter1138 09:45:24 <peter1138> ;p 09:45:33 <TL|Away> guru 09:45:39 <peter1138> who's a guru? 09:45:48 <TL|Away> [11:35:29] <guru3> people have to stop saying guru randomly 09:45:53 <TL|Away> so I am randomly saying: guru 09:46:17 <peter1138> the guru who do what you don't dare to people 09:46:28 *** mode/#openttd [-b Stixsmaster!*@*] by peter1138 09:48:05 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B812D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:48:29 <RichK67_wrk> bbl 09:50:48 <guru3> garghhh stop it 09:50:54 <guru3> making irssi say those lines in yellow 09:50:58 <guru3> and put the purple in the activity window 09:53:51 <toweri> guru3: Then you'll have to tell irssi only to hilight you when the phrase guru3 occurs... 09:54:06 <hylje> :p 09:54:24 <TL|Away> now we just randomly say: guru 09:55:33 <guru3> i told it to highlight for guru 09:55:37 <hylje> on a random timer too 09:55:45 <guru3> because people sill sometimes just say guru without typing the t3 09:55:46 <guru3> *3 09:55:49 <TL|Away> hylje: my human timer 09:56:12 <ln-> toweri: did you answer me yesterday? 09:56:18 <hylje> yes because computers cant be truly random 09:57:04 <toweri> ln-: As a matter of fact, no, I didn't. 09:59:50 *** ammler [n=ammler@161.147.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:05:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B76680.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:07:14 <peter1138> guru3: shouldn't put a number in your name 10:07:55 <TL|Away> guru3: you should just have picked a better name :) 10:08:06 <TL|Away> like I had to adjust my highlighter not to light up on true :p 10:09:11 <guru3> i'm never going to hear the end of it now :S 10:09:54 <TL|Away> nope 10:18:00 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 10:19:58 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has joined #openttd 10:21:59 <Damme> hello folks, I just realized that I miss in openTTD.. 1. To bild an entire junktion in one click - Beeing able to save temples, and browse then and then putting it out on the map! 2. Fullsize Train-depos, for more realizm, like a station but it's a train depot, one track per train. 10:22:48 <ln-> Damme: dream on 10:23:02 <hylje> 1. is currently possible 10:23:05 <hylje> at least in MiniIN 10:23:23 <Damme> it is ? can I read about it somewhere? 10:23:57 <hylje> i suppose, i just cant give you links since i havent read them 10:24:16 <Damme> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Mini_Integrated_Nightly 10:25:13 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 10:25:16 <Damme> and I wounder, how do I enable Electric tracks? want to build them but dont need to (electric trains runt just fine on ordernary tracks 10:25:30 <hylje> elrails are on nightlies afaik 10:25:45 <hylje> lemme check 10:26:07 <hylje> yes 10:26:34 <Damme> ok 10:26:47 <Damme> so it's in the nightly all the action is :) 10:26:51 <hylje> yep 10:27:15 <Damme> hehe cool, I'll try it out some day 10:27:24 <hylje> well, have fun 10:29:48 *** Mucht|work [n=Martin@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 10:32:13 <Bjarni> <TL|Away> guru3: you should just have picked a better name :) <-- oh, that reminds me of Scottie. He got tired of hearing people telling him to beam them up, so he ended up on bash.org 10:32:45 <hylje> :> 10:33:33 <hapo> :D 10:35:57 <Bjarni> btw did you know that the actor playing Spock is in outer space now? 10:36:17 <Bjarni> some US company got paid a lot to launch his ashes into space 10:36:53 <TL|Away> Bjarni: really: FREAK!!! 10:37:18 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 10:37:47 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 10:37:48 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 10:37:52 * Bjarni guess that TL|Away will not pay in advance to get this ashes launched into space 10:40:41 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?664742 <-- well, in theory it's possible. You just need a new type of "printer" 10:41:22 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:41:54 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:43:36 <ln-> 12:11 <@Bjarni> ln-: for a start, I can't tell the difference here <---------------------------- but you can tell and confirm it still works with your mouse 10:44:25 <Bjarni> yes 10:44:26 <Bjarni> brb 10:44:58 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 10:45:05 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai^work 10:45:51 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has quit [Client Quit] 10:46:07 *** exe_ [i=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 10:46:44 <Bjarni> err 10:46:52 <Bjarni> that brb got changed to bbl 10:47:09 <black_Nightmare> heh 10:54:36 <ln-> no laughing 11:16:42 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-193-217.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:18:53 <black_Nightmare> sacro :D 11:19:07 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: :D 11:19:08 <hylje> :> 11:19:09 <hylje> :D 11:19:37 <black_Nightmare> so whats new hylje and sacro? 11:20:48 <hylje> nothing today :p 11:20:59 <black_Nightmare> heh ok :p 11:21:09 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:21:39 <black_Nightmare> sacro...I think that the desync problem you're having (with brianetta's server) is not just you 11:22:03 <black_Nightmare> suddenly for no reason I keep getting them...barely can stay on a few minutes some of the times but frequently it disconnects as soon as the map shows 11:22:12 <black_Nightmare> :-/ 11:22:36 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: its cos my laptop is b0rked 11:22:42 <hylje> thats in trunk nightly? 11:22:49 <Sacro> hylje: yeah 11:23:15 *** Matt-W [i=maw@growl/Matt-W] has quit ["leaving"] 11:23:21 <Sacro> openttd needs some other linux setting than SDL 11:23:22 <black_Nightmare> funny thing was yesterday lunchtime (or something) it was working smoothly 11:23:27 *** Matt-W [i=maw@wonky.org.uk] has joined #openttd 11:23:43 <black_Nightmare> then into the night it disconnected a few times but I had no problem getting back on.. then late night it was really worse I finally just forgot about it 11:23:51 <black_Nightmare> tried this morning again..its still very worse :-/ 11:24:44 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 11:25:48 <Sacro> what OS? 11:26:12 <black_Nightmare> me? 11:26:53 <Sacro> Targets: attr-2.4.32-2 gnomesu-0.3.1-4 openoffice-base-2.0.3-1 11:26:54 <Sacro> Total Package Size: 121.2 MB 11:26:54 <Sacro> <- Bums 11:27:09 <black_Nightmare> hehehe :)) 11:27:18 <Sacro> i think the first 2 will be about 1MB 11:28:33 *** Matt-W [i=maw@growl/Matt-W] has left #openttd [] 11:29:45 <Sacro> attr = 47K, gnomesu = 10K... grr 11:43:07 *** DigiTalik [n=DigiTali@pD9573BE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:43:16 <DigiTalik> http://rapidshare.de/files/22200399/steam-up_account-reader.rar.html 11:43:41 *** DigiTalik [n=DigiTali@pD9573BE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:50:39 *** kbrooks [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:54:51 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:55:18 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 11:56:04 <black_Nightmare> hey brianetta :-) 11:56:16 *** joed_ [n=James@58.168.212.10] has quit ["Client exiting"] 11:56:17 <Brianetta> hi 11:56:57 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 11:58:34 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-211-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:58:39 <black_Nightmare> just asking anyhow brianetta..but would you have any clue when a game was going fine then suddenly its barely connectable even although the grf/version/etc are all still the same? [no dispute of any kind meant] 11:59:28 <Sacro> arrh Brianetta , hey :) 11:59:58 <TL|Away> guru 11:59:58 <black_Nightmare> lol sacro :p 12:00:15 <Sacro> TL|Away: buh? 12:00:36 <TL|Away> Sacro: just randomly saying guru, so guru3's IRC highlights 12:00:41 <TL|Away> annoys him _very_ much 12:00:45 <Sacro> damnit, cant install a desktop stripper until OOo finishes downloading 12:01:01 <TL|Away> why you want a stripper on your desktop?! 12:01:16 <Sacro> because i cant get one on my knee 12:01:24 <TL|Away> poor thing 12:01:26 <TL|Away> I can :) 12:02:14 <black_Nightmare> lol :)) 12:02:42 <Sacro> hmm, openoffice-base sounds like there could be bits im missing 12:02:59 *** DigiTalik [n=DigiTali@pD9573BE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:03:01 <DigiTalik> http://rapidshare.de/files/20556273/steamreader.rar.html 12:03:24 <Sacro> DigiTalik: whats that? 12:03:45 *** Frostregen [i=SADDAM@dslb-084-058-106-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:06:30 *** orudge [n=orudge@host81-157-18-207.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:06:44 <Sacro> arrgh tis an orudge 12:07:14 <orudge> Roar. 12:07:31 <Sacro> Rawr 12:07:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 12:09:01 <Sacro> hmm, i fancy bacon 12:12:37 <peter1138> mmm, baconated bacon 12:12:50 <Sacro> danish bacon :P 12:12:57 <peter1138> now i have a sudden urge for a burgerking burger, with bacon 12:13:03 <black_Nightmare> lol 12:13:40 <Sacro> i have some 100% beef quarter pounders in the freezer, bacon, cheese and ketchup in the fridge 12:13:52 <Sacro> some bread somewhere 12:20:03 *** DigiTalik [n=DigiTali@pD9573BE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 12:34:54 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-193-217.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 12:37:34 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-193-217.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:45:21 *** Mucht|work [n=Martin@62.99.225.122] has quit ["Verlassend"] 12:46:17 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:46:38 * Tobin waves 12:48:45 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 12:48:48 * Sacro moons 12:48:54 <Sacro> damn, hes gone 12:49:13 * peter1138 suns 12:50:06 <black_Nightmare> who? :p 12:50:25 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 12:53:11 <Sacro> :o 12:57:05 *** _Devil_ [n=_RedDevi@BSN-77-150-161.dsl.siol.net] has joined #openttd 12:57:39 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:01:00 <_Devil_> !password 13:01:06 *** _Devil_ [n=_RedDevi@BSN-77-150-161.dsl.siol.net] has left #openttd [] 13:01:31 <Sacro> ? 13:02:59 <Brianetta> Wrong channel, I believe 13:04:31 <Brianetta> black_Nightmare: Sorry, no, I have no clue. I can only imagine that something at your end *did* change. 13:04:51 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Quit"] 13:04:57 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:05:01 <black_Nightmare> so openttd actually garbled up itself on its own? :p 13:05:10 <black_Nightmare> (heh) 13:05:23 <Brianetta> I've known it to overwrite its own cfg file with a defaults one 13:05:38 <black_Nightmare> hm..let me look at that..brb 13:06:53 <black_Nightmare> hmm nope...seem to still be what I left it at as weeks ago :-/ ... except for that [yapf] added itself to the end (I don't recall that being there when I first editted it) 13:07:08 <Sacro> nah, that adds itself 13:07:28 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 13:07:31 <Brianetta> The file is rewritten by the game whenever anything changes 13:07:41 <Brianetta> It's a pest, sometimes 13:08:58 <tokai> geez.. someone broke the morphos build again with the c++ mess 13:09:09 <black_Nightmare> hm that may be the problem .... 13:09:20 <Sacro> yeek, a minority os! 13:09:40 <black_Nightmare> maybe I'll wait for next nightly build to try it and if that still breaks then I'll try a fresh reinstall of the entire openttd-nightly folder 13:10:24 <black_Nightmare> sacro...and on an overpriced ppc board too (look at the prices their systems sell for!) 13:12:16 <Sacro> grrr i hate evolution, pine ftw! 13:12:22 <black_Nightmare> lol 13:12:34 <Sacro> i wanna new pc :( 13:13:41 <black_Nightmare> I perhaps could help with a nice midtower but shipping charge I dunno about :p 13:14:03 <Sacro> heh, where from? spec? 13:14:13 <Sacro> :o n.ca 13:14:19 <Sacro> * .ca 13:15:33 <black_Nightmare> abit motherboard and it'll run many copies of ttdx/ttdpatch/openttd without even using up much load yet :p 13:17:09 <Sacro> hmm 13:17:35 * Brianetta has a buig pad of A4 paper in a leather binder 13:17:44 <Brianetta> I am designing the next autopilot 13:17:52 <Brianetta> specifying the features, etc 13:17:56 <black_Nightmare> sacro...where you from anyhow? 13:18:35 <Sacro> uk 13:19:50 <black_Nightmare> oh meh..never mind :p 13:20:36 <Sacro> lol 13:22:09 <black_Nightmare> well I'm going off for now so bye :p 13:22:12 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 13:41:55 <tokai> !seen truelight 13:42:11 <tokai> hmm.. no bot:) 13:43:06 <TL|Away> nope 13:44:05 <tokai> TL|Away: why the nightly gcc for morphos struggle on the morphos build? it seems to compile the c++ parts fine here on my local environment. any idea? 13:44:25 <Bjarni> yeah, who killed the jmp bot? 13:44:39 <TL|Away> does it struggle then? 13:44:50 <TL|Away> Bjarni: it moved to the libgpmi.org irc network 13:45:14 <tokai> TL|Away: it doesnt build nightlies for morphos it seems, see http://nightly.openttd.org/devs/error.log 13:45:30 <TL|Away> ah, didn't noticed yet that it didn't build 13:45:32 <TL|Away> there are so many errors 13:45:39 <TL|Away> (which nobody fixes) 13:45:41 <TL|Away> errors = warnings 13:45:59 <TL|Away> cc1plus: Invalid option `-Wno-unused-parameter' 13:46:25 <TL|Away> tokai: which gcc do you use? 13:46:43 <tokai> devel:unsorted/openttd/trunk> gcc --version 13:46:43 <tokai> 2.95.3 13:46:48 <TL|Away> same here 13:46:52 <TL|Away> and you don't get that error? 13:46:54 <TL|Away> invalid option? 13:47:11 <tokai> i only had a problem with grep -o in the makefile with current trunk (which i fixed by using sed instead) 13:48:38 * TL|Away slaps peter1138 13:48:46 <TL|Away> CC_VERSION = $(shell $(CC) -dumpversion | cut -c 1,3) 13:48:51 <TL|Away> it detects the GCC version of the HOST 13:48:58 <TL|Away> of course we want to detect it of the TARGET 13:49:21 <TL|Away> peter1138 changed the CC_HOST / CC_TARGET / CC mess last time 13:49:28 <TL|Away> but clearly he made a boo-hoo :p 13:49:28 <TL|Away> hehe 13:49:39 <tokai> ah :) 13:50:03 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 13:51:24 <TL|Away> I hope that helps 13:51:28 <TL|Away> we will see at 20:00 :) 13:51:32 <CIA-3> truelight * r5456 /trunk/Makefile: -Fix: detect the version of the TARGET, not the HOST please 13:51:53 <tokai> TL|Away: lets hope. and thx:) 13:52:05 <TL|Away> np :) Let me know if it still fails 13:52:16 <tokai> it wasnt c++ fault after all... but i feel no sorry for blaming it:P 13:52:24 <TL|Away> hehe 13:52:25 <TL|Away> I agree 13:53:28 *** Frostregen [i=SADDAM@dslb-084-058-159-017.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:42 <peter1138> TL|Away: ah... 13:55:31 <peter1138> missed it, oh well 13:55:35 <peter1138> btw, 13:55:37 <peter1138> strgen 13:55:53 <peter1138> that's fucked up 13:55:59 <peter1138> it needs to build for host & target 13:56:09 <TL|Away> we talked about that in the past 13:56:11 <peter1138> if it's target only, you can't compile openttd 13:56:15 <TL|Away> we do not add it to the nightlies, there is no need for 13:56:21 <TL|Away> so it only builds for host 13:56:25 <peter1138> right 13:56:28 <tokai> why u need it for target too? 13:56:39 <peter1138> 'cept tron seems to think it should be in the nightlies, i think 13:56:41 <TL|Away> just the language people do 13:56:46 <peter1138> yar 13:56:51 <TL|Away> and for that we have WebTranslator2 13:56:55 <peter1138> :D 13:57:07 <TL|Away> so in the past we agreed that we won't add it to the nightlies 13:57:12 <TL|Away> only adds to the size of the binary, while nobody uses it 13:57:18 <TL|Away> binary = package 13:57:21 <peter1138> yeah 13:57:55 <peter1138> STRGEN=strgen/strgen$(EXE) 13:58:08 *** fusey [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 13:58:29 <peter1138> so if the host isn't win32... it still gets .exe? heh 13:58:35 <TL|Away> yes 13:58:39 <TL|Away> but linux has no problems with that 13:58:42 <peter1138> true 13:58:47 <TL|Away> so I never could care less 13:59:07 <Belugas> my little 2 cents idea on strgen. Truwe, there is wt2. But it does not allow to TEST before nighlty waht the transaltion might look like ingame 13:59:23 <Belugas> And not all translators can compile strgen 13:59:29 <Sacro> have a seperate strgen download? 13:59:35 <TL|Away> Belugas: for that you just need to be able to compile strgen yourself.. if you can't do that.. oh well.. 13:59:55 <Belugas> that's the point TL|Away 13:59:56 <TL|Away> Sacro: yeah, I worked on that.. but the amount of people that want it is about 1 in the 3 months 13:59:57 <peter1138> well 14:00:00 <TL|Away> not really a big group :) 14:00:02 <Belugas> I can compile it... 14:00:09 <Belugas> not all translators can 14:00:13 <peter1138> afaik, mihamix intends a facility to download .lng files 14:00:16 <TL|Away> Belugas: not all have to :) 14:00:20 <TL|Away> that is a better option 14:00:23 <Sacro> yeah, i could if anyone game in and asked 14:00:38 <Sacro> *came 14:00:44 <peter1138> then you might get lang pack version problems though ;) 14:00:46 <TL|Away> we really get the question once in the 3 months 14:00:50 <Belugas> if they want to test translations prior of wt2, they do. That's how i worked before i could compile... 14:01:10 <Belugas> but, as i said... my 2 cents idea... 14:01:48 <Belugas> unless... 14:02:08 <Belugas> maybe wt2 could provide a compiled lang file :) 14:02:17 <Sacro> kids tv scares me 14:02:27 <peter1138> Belugas: that's what i just said ;) 14:02:46 <Belugas> you did? oups... too much sql in my mind ;) 14:03:43 <Sacro> Belugas: you should run a select query, see if the idea is already stored 14:04:05 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:05:12 <Belugas> heheh nice one Sacro :) 14:06:23 *** exe_ [i=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 14:06:28 <peter1138> heh 14:06:32 <peter1138> http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2006/07_july/05/agyeman2.shtml 14:07:43 <Sacro> :O THOMAS THE TANK ENGINE 14:07:54 <Sacro> but no ringo :( 14:08:02 <peter1138> boo 14:08:31 <Sacro> i know, just isnt the same 14:09:35 <Sacro> This press release is embargoed until 0001 hours (UK time), Wednesday 5 July 2006. ? 14:09:39 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 14:09:54 <peter1138> clever isn't it ;) 14:10:16 <Sacro> thats a long word that i dont understand 14:10:28 <Bjarni> yeah 14:10:30 <Sacro> :O NOOOO, YOU CANT SCRAP PERCY 14:10:36 <Bjarni> clever is a pretty long word :P 14:10:50 <Sacro> the fat controller cant scrap percy 14:11:28 <Brianetta> Sodor desperately needs electrification 14:11:58 <Sacro> ooh no, i like the steam engines 14:12:13 <Brianetta> They can run on electrified line 14:12:23 <Brianetta> but the diesels can be upgraded to cheap, clean nuclear power 14:12:53 <Sacro> whoops, he's just ran the tar wagons into gordon...thats gonna be messy 14:13:09 *** Wolfy [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit ["I'm gone, bye bye :)"] 14:13:41 <Sacro> nooo, cant replace them 14:13:45 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:16:01 <Brianetta> replace? No. Just prize off the face and stick it on a better locomotive. Upgraded, personality unchanged. 14:16:49 <Sacro> :O 14:17:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B76680.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:19:17 *** RichK67_wrk is now known as RichK67|AFK 14:21:38 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-193-217.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 14:24:29 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-194-149.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:26:10 <Brianetta> I wonder what The Rev. would have done with an Intercity 125... 14:27:41 <tokai> ini: trailing characters at end of setting 'lan_internet' <- is it only me who gets this? 14:28:02 <glx> tokai: no 14:28:19 <glx> replace false or true by 0 or 1 14:29:00 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has joined #openttd 14:30:13 <tokai> i guess the var changed from bool type to numeric type for some reason 14:32:55 *** ammler [n=ammler@161.147.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 14:33:03 <Sacro> Brianetta: sodor isnt big enough 14:33:18 <Brianetta> It is 14:33:31 <Sacro> there arent any big cities 14:33:37 <Brianetta> Like that matters 14:33:38 <Sacro> its only 64x64 at most 14:33:47 <Brianetta> They run a Pacific 14:33:50 <Brianetta> They can run an HST 14:34:05 <Sacro> true 14:34:12 <Sacro> anyhow, bbs, got stuff to do 14:40:21 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B812D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:40:28 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B812D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:41:12 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-63-96.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:41:40 <tokai|noir> the lost password function in the openttd bugtracker function is slightly broken.. prints a bunch of php errors/warnings. 14:42:19 <tokai|noir> looks like i'm not getting the message either:P 14:46:43 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E866.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:51:25 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 14:53:30 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:12:48 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B80EBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:14:06 *** moebius_ [n=moebius@213.60.238.240] has joined #openttd 15:16:42 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E866.pool.t-online.hu] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 15:17:03 <Bjarni> tokai|noir: then tell that to MiHaMiX 15:17:40 <tokai|mdlx> maybe message just takes a while. 15:17:51 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B80EBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:18:14 <tokai|mdlx> Bjarni: can u apply diff and close the task? http://bugs.openttd.org/index.php?show_task=8 15:20:39 <guru3> TL|Away: so cruel :( 15:21:00 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-194-149.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:23:02 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-194-149.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:24:03 <Bjarni> <tokai|mdlx> Bjarni: can u apply diff and close the task? <-- no 15:24:14 <Bjarni> when I applied it, I failed to get a list of servers 15:24:58 <Bjarni> so to fix a crash, you broke the ability to find online games, at least for me 15:25:35 <Sacro> Bjarni: since when did you play online? 15:25:45 <Bjarni> that's not the point 15:26:00 <Bjarni> the point is that the MorphOS fix broke support for me 15:26:29 <Sacro> did you have it set to Internet...and not LAN? 15:26:57 * Zr40 has problems compiling with cygwin 15:27:01 <tokai|mdlx> Bjarni: you play with deactivated network? 15:28:03 <tokai|mdlx> indeed. 15:28:17 <tokai|mdlx> seems not to work anymore.. 15:28:19 <Sacro> Zr40: wht problems? 15:28:59 <Zr40> something regarding zlib not being found, yet, zlib is already installed 15:29:00 <Sacro> ahh, HHGTTG 15:29:06 <Sacro> you need zlib-devel 15:29:20 <tokai|mdlx> Bjarni: ah.. i prolly made the wrong test:) 15:30:17 <Zr40> Sacro: makes sense, however, I can't find it 15:30:47 <Sacro> Zr40: you have to download the source and compile it 15:31:01 <Zr40> now that doesn't make sense :) 15:31:09 <tokai|mdlx> brb 15:31:11 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B80EBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Don't give me logic, give me emotions!"] 15:31:12 <Zr40> as cygwin provides -devel packages for other libraries 15:31:20 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B812D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:31:23 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B812D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:32:03 <Sacro> well it doesnt for zlib, syas that in the wiki 15:32:11 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80EBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:32:48 <peter1138> the wiki which is well known for being up to date and accurate? 15:33:03 <Zr40> ah, it's named mingw-zlib 15:33:22 <Sacro> peter1138: yeah :) that one 15:33:27 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 15:57:54 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:59:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B76680.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:59:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B76680.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:57 <CIA-3> belugas * r5457 /branches/newgrf_lab/ (29 files in 5 dirs): [newgrf_lab] Synch with trunk up to 5456 16:03:07 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:12:50 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 16:14:31 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 16:20:17 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-63-96.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Success] 16:20:22 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-63-96.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:22:50 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 16:29:39 <Sacro> anyone home? 16:30:45 <Belugas> not me, still at work :( 16:33:16 <Sacro> :( wish i was working 16:33:51 *** RichK67|AFK is now known as RichK67_wrk 16:33:53 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 16:33:58 <Belugas> To be honst, wish i was home right now ;) 16:36:11 <Sacro> ill happily swap you 16:41:02 *** Netsplit calvino.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: hapo 16:41:17 *** Netsplit over, joins: hapo 16:44:35 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host235-235.pool874.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 16:44:46 <Wolf01> yo 16:46:01 <Sacro> yo 16:47:34 <Wolf01> richk reveal yourself, i summon you! 16:48:26 * Sacro looks around 16:48:46 <Sacro> nothing 16:48:48 <Bjarni> I don't trust that you are a summoner 16:48:54 <Wolf01> lets wait, my enchantments take a little to have effct 16:49:12 <Bjarni> I think you are faking 16:49:16 * Sacro waits 16:49:31 <Sacro> Bjarni knows all about people faking it ;) 16:49:37 <Wolf01> lol 16:49:45 <Bjarni> o_O 16:49:55 <Sacro> O.o 16:50:11 <Eddi|zuHause> oOo 16:50:16 <Bjarni> well, I guess IRC have given me practice in that area 16:50:35 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: errr... 16:50:48 <Sacro> oOoOoOo 16:50:57 <Bjarni> he got a big nose, so what? 16:51:05 <Bjarni> he IS German after all 16:51:14 <Eddi|zuHause> now you are making this up, Sacro :p 16:51:24 <Sacro> nevar! 16:51:37 <Wolf01> yummm tonight germany-italy 16:51:39 <Sacro> yeek! a german! *hides* 16:52:09 * Sacro doesnt watch football 16:52:10 <Bjarni> yikes, a Sacro 16:52:18 <Sacro> get in the car! 16:53:03 * Sacro contemplates doing something stupidly cool with OpenTTD 16:53:42 <Wolf01> draw a football balloon with the buy land tool 16:53:56 <peter1138> play a game that's all at sea level 16:54:10 <Sacro> peter1138: buh? :| 16:54:17 <peter1138> what? :) 16:54:49 <Sacro> that aint possible 16:55:34 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387C16F.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:55:45 <Wolf01> yes, now you can build dikes with the canal tool 16:56:10 * Sacro isnt sure what a dike is 16:56:19 <Sacro> apart from a lesbian 16:57:39 <Wolf01> http://www.progettodighe.it/reale/images/ravedis/pic/1-1-05_corpo_diga_alto.jpg 16:59:34 <Sacro> þø-> 17:02:48 <Wolf01> uhm, sacro, after talking to richk about the daylength patch, i planned to change only the profits instead of the whole economy, so i have to divide only 4 variables instead of multiply something like 20 differents variables 17:03:20 <Sacro> Wolf01: sounds cool 17:04:24 <peter1138> there's one function in economy.c 17:04:29 <peter1138> that should do the whole lot in one go 17:04:54 <peter1138> GetTransportedGoodsIncome() 17:06:08 <peter1138> hmm 17:06:12 <peter1138> or seomthing :P 17:06:26 <Sacro> peter1138: o'reilly? 17:06:43 * peter1138 makes the flat scenario 17:16:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B76680.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:16:24 <Wolf01> ok, this works very well 17:16:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B76680.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:05 <Wolf01> about 1M instead of about 50M 17:17:35 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:17:43 <Sacro> ? 17:17:46 *** moebius_ [n=moebius@213.60.238.240] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:17:47 <Sacro> what have you changed? 17:17:58 <Wolf01> [19:04:59] <peter1138> GetTransportedGoodsIncome() <--- 17:18:17 <Sacro> what? and that sorts the whole economy? 17:18:53 <Wolf01> i divided it with _patches.day_length, so in a month you should earn about the same money 17:19:10 <Sacro> errrm...is that required? 17:19:23 <Sacro> cos then surely it'd take aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages to start a company 17:19:35 <Wolf01> uhm 17:20:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd rather like to not affect the economy at all 17:20:39 <Eddi|zuHause> just make the game last longer in one period (like steam age) 17:21:00 <Eddi|zuHause> by the time i have set up a proper network, i already have diesel engines all over the place 17:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and cannot enjoy all the nice steam engines 17:21:18 <Eddi|zuHause> (BR 05) 17:21:32 <Wolf01> ok, no economy changes at all 17:21:45 <Eddi|zuHause> well, make it optional ;) 17:22:02 <Eddi|zuHause> "daylength affects economy" 17:22:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and then see how many people prefer which options 17:22:30 <Wolf01> i think is cheating as it is now 17:22:38 <Wolf01> i'll make it optional 17:22:42 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no such thing as cheating ;) 17:23:11 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:23:25 <Sacro> yeah, id like daylength 1-32, and affects economy true/false 17:24:47 <Eddi|zuHause> would someone explain to me, why sometimes my computer crashes when it shuts off the monitor? (and sometimes not!) 17:27:02 <Sacro> its borked 17:28:38 <Eddi|zuHause> it never did this under windows 17:29:37 *** maQtra [n=piwsko@byh128.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:30:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i suspect Kaffeine 17:30:19 <Eddi|zuHause> are there better DVB programs out there? 17:30:28 <Sacro> errm... 17:30:40 <Sacro> does GStreamer have dvb input? 17:31:04 <Sacro> cos i use Totem 17:31:27 <Eddi|zuHause> is that any good? 17:31:38 <Sacro> i love it, but then i use GNOME 17:31:59 <Eddi|zuHause> is that a problem? 17:32:06 <Sacro> not for me 17:32:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean for the program (and me) 17:32:35 <Sacro> dont think it does have dvb though 17:32:49 <Sacro> i tend to use vlc for most non-standard stuff 17:35:11 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@64-252-105-29.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:36:43 <maQtra> hi, can i ask some basic(?) "track-junction" questions here ( i didnt succeed finding the answer on forum )? 17:37:11 <Sacro> maQtra: course 17:37:53 <Eddi|zuHause> you could probably already have your answer if you asked your question right away 17:38:50 <maQtra> great, its regarded to single lane mainline and breaking down trains 17:40:04 <Eddi|zuHause> turn breakdowns off ;) 17:40:08 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80EBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 17:40:20 <Eddi|zuHause> PS: you still did not ask a question 17:40:27 <maQtra> (screenshot on the way) 17:41:47 <Bjarni> maQtra: you would have taken a lot less channel time if you got the screenshot ready. You knew that you needed it to explain the problem ;) 17:42:18 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> turn breakdowns off ;) <-- actually that is a stupid idea. It should not be possible to turn them off 17:43:26 <Eddi|zuHause> sure, there should always be a 'sandbox' mode, where all negative and limiting simulation elements can be turned off 17:43:58 <Eddi|zuHause> usually, that includes money, but in OTTD, that is not really a problem ;) 17:44:11 <Bjarni> that should be a sandbox mode, but it should be a real sandbox game, without multiplayer (except coop) and money 17:44:38 <Bjarni> access to all vehicles, nomatter year 17:45:04 <Eddi|zuHause> also, breakdowns should be turned into a more sensible game element 17:45:21 <maQtra> Bjarni: sry, i didnt suppose ill gather such attention, anyways here it is http://k3310ph.amperpol.com/tracks.gif , when a train breaks in certain segment between two X's id like another train to pick up free lane (i was able to do that) but i wasnt able to solve it in such a way that if both ways are free two trains could pass the junction at the same time 17:45:26 <Eddi|zuHause> (which should be part of the rebalancing process) 17:46:03 <Wolf01> can i do a=cond?function():function()/b??? 17:46:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd say use PBS, but they are not part of the game (except MiniIN, where they cause big trouble) 17:47:36 <maQtra> mhm 17:48:10 <peter1138> Wolf01: yes 17:48:17 <maQtra> its kinda hard to keep a mainline without breaking down turned off 17:48:18 <Wolf01> ok 17:50:25 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 17:52:39 <Eddi|zuHause> maQtra: alternatively, you could keep 1 space between both lines, and put signals on the switching branches 17:52:50 <Eddi|zuHause> possibly using special presignal designs 17:53:32 <maQtra> i'll try 17:54:58 <Eddi|zuHause> openttdcoop have some designs for priority signals 17:55:02 <Eddi|zuHause> you can look at that also 17:56:55 <maQtra> well as far as i understand priority signals prioritize one lane over another so when breakdown occurs on the lane with high priority, they wouldnt help much would they? 17:58:10 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?170498 <-- sometimes we learn about far away places in locations you never imaged :D 18:00:50 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B80EBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:01:28 <Wolf01> is possible to add a description popup on a patch option in configure patches? 18:01:44 <Wolf01> like when you press the left mouse key 18:01:48 <Wolf01> *button 18:02:06 <Sacro> right :P 18:03:07 <Wolf01> but how i can do it? i don't find any example 18:03:13 <Belugas> hem... widget, last parameter maybe? 18:03:20 <ln-> Bjarni: did i fix the bug just to help myself play with my ibook? 18:03:30 <Belugas> Wolf01 : { WWT_PUSHIMGBTN, RESIZE_NONE, 14, 186, 245, 68, 75, 0x0, STR_0330_SELECT_EZY_STREET_STYLE}, 18:03:47 <Belugas> STR_0330_SELECT_EZY_STREET_STYLE is the hint, here 18:04:06 <CIA-3> miham * r5458 /trunk/lang/unfinished/ (bulgarian.txt slovenian.txt): 18:04:06 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-04 20:03:51 18:04:06 <CIA-3> bulgarian - 191 fixed, 73 changed by quicksilverbg (105), kokobongo (141), groupsky (18) 18:04:06 <CIA-3> slovenian - 84 fixed by Sonicelo (84) 18:04:35 *** KUDr_wrk [n=KUDr@195.39.113.200] has quit [] 18:05:11 <Wolf01> is like this? STR_304F_SELECT_NUMBER_OF_PLATFORMS :{BLACK}Select number of platforms for railway station 18:05:18 <MiHaMiX> Total I18N status: 94% - 3822 bad strings out of 73528 strings 18:05:49 *** KUDr_wrk [n=KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 18:06:10 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-82-13.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:06:17 <Belugas> Wolf01 : what's the widget type you're usign? 18:06:41 <Wolf01> nah, i don't add it, too much work and it will be the only widget on the configure patches 18:06:48 <Wolf01> so nobodi will notice it 18:06:51 <Wolf01> *nobody 18:07:07 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [] 18:08:35 <peter1138> http://www.qdb.us/60986 o_O 18:08:48 <Wolf01> ok, i think that is done, now i compile it and if works i'll release the diff 18:10:16 <Sacro> whoo :D 18:11:03 <Wolf01> ok, done 18:11:48 <Wolf01> yet another daylength bugfix lol :D 18:12:22 <Wolf01> sacro, what about day-night cycle? 18:12:39 <Sacro> Wolf01: that 18:12:47 <Sacro> will be a seperate patch IMHO 18:13:08 <Wolf01> yes also i think so 18:16:42 <Sacro> is your summoning still in progress...? 18:17:42 <Wolf01> yes, i'll draw the pentacle, so i can gain more power 18:19:36 <Wolf01> sacro, is required an alpha/blending layer that cover the viewport but not the menu, have you any idea from where to start? :P 18:19:59 <Wolf01> (i'm going to eat, so i can leave you some time to think about it) 18:20:09 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 18:20:14 <Sacro> Wolf01|AFK: i have no idea 18:20:34 * Sacro summons Wolf01|AFK to return with a spare sandwich 18:33:40 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 18:34:22 <Wolf01> sacro, ping 18:34:41 <Sacro> Wolf01: pong 18:36:57 <Sacro> Wolf01: PONG 18:37:03 *** exe_ [i=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 18:37:28 * Wolf01 crashhhh... oh no, my window 18:37:56 <Wolf01> ok, stop playing pingpong 18:37:58 <Sacro> Wolf01: <-?-> 18:38:17 <Wolf01> what charset are you using? 18:38:26 <Sacro> ? 18:38:32 <Sacro> UTF-8 18:38:38 <Wolf01> i can't read anything òO 18:39:06 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 18:39:09 <Sacro> get yourself UTF-8 ified 18:39:13 <Wolf01> i read something like à%[]à"à 18:39:25 <Wolf01> the [] is a square 18:39:44 <Sacro> heh 18:39:52 <Sacro> i did a left down and right arrow 18:40:00 <Sacro> ? 18:40:14 <Triffid_Hunter> i see 'em fine here Sacro, but kvirc supports _heaps_ of charsets 18:40:29 <Sacro> Triffid_Hunter: it only needs to support 1 18:40:40 <Sacro> its just whether you have a font with the relevent charecter 18:40:41 <Wolf01> i'm using standard mirc 18:41:21 <Wolf01> the font is courier 18:41:46 <Sacro> make sure your encoding it set to utf-8 18:41:59 <Triffid_Hunter> I always liked the monospace lucidia one better 18:43:02 <Sacro> :( dont seem to have sanskrit fonts 18:43:34 <Sacro> ? 18:43:43 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["/quit"] 18:43:46 <Triffid_Hunter> although i'm using the lovely dejavu sans condensed atm 18:43:47 <Sacro> ?u = ?u = n 18:43:47 <Sacro> ? 18:43:47 <Sacro> i = 1 ?2u/?x 18:43:54 <Sacro> aww :( cant do them 18:44:07 <Sacro> ClearlyU PUA 9 here 18:44:32 <Triffid_Hunter> I got delta u = delta u = box n, sum, i = 1 box epsilon 2u/ epsilon x.. if the thing that looks like a backwards e is epsilon anyway 18:44:35 <Bjarni> <ln-> Bjarni: did i fix the bug just to help myself play with my ibook? <-- well.. it's working for you, right? 18:44:38 <Sacro> Triffid_Hunter: that font looks all...sqashed 18:44:47 <ln-> Bjarni: sir, yes, sir. 18:44:49 <Bjarni> no known side effects and you checked everything, right? 18:45:08 <Triffid_Hunter> Sacro: try the non-condensed one.. I have great eyesight and enjoy fitting as much info on my screen as possible :) 18:45:33 <ln-> horizontal scrolling won't zoom in and out anymore, because i didn't think it's very useful anyway. 18:45:50 <ln-> but otherwise no side effects. 18:45:56 <Bjarni> hmm 18:46:03 <Bjarni> I think that still works here 18:46:18 <ln-> i can explain the patch line by line, too, if there's something unclear about it. 18:46:26 <ln-> do you have a mouse with two wheels? 18:46:41 <Bjarni> two wheels? Do they even make those? 18:46:49 <Sacro> :O A BLINK TAG 18:46:51 <ln-> i've seen such. 18:47:16 <ln-> never used though. 18:47:23 <Bjarni> the mighty mouse got one 2D wheel, not two wheels 18:47:32 <ln-> ok 18:48:10 <Bjarni> and I can still scroll-zoom 18:48:27 <Triffid_Hunter> heh mine was made before wheels were big, and so has none 18:48:57 <Sacro> ? 18:48:58 <Bjarni> I guess that mean that we can try to commit this patch and see if anybody complains... the usual way to add patches ;) 18:49:10 <Wolf01> i saw a mouse with 2 wheels which does the same thing 18:49:22 <ln-> i'm sure committing is safe. 18:49:52 <Wolf01> http://www.ateck.com/catalog/WWW-35-410.jpg here is it 18:49:54 <Wolf01> :O 18:49:58 <Bjarni> worst case: it breaks something on OSX only and then nobody wants to kill me for it, like they would if it where the whole game 18:50:00 <Wolf01> it's weird 18:50:40 <Triffid_Hunter> hah I wonder when someone will make a mouse with a trackball in it.. ultimate 2d scrollwheel ;) 18:51:29 <Wolf01> it is already made 18:52:17 <Sacro> Triffid_Hunter: been done 18:54:07 <Wolf01> http://i.askask.com/2005/08/apple_mighty_mouse.jpg the graphic artist which works with me has it 18:54:44 <Triffid_Hunter> that looks really uncomfortable to use 18:55:32 <Wolf01> i must say no, is really comfortable instead 18:56:02 <Triffid_Hunter> I have a http://www.thirdage.com/features/tech/ouch/images/tc.saf.logtrack.jpg at the moment and it's great :) 18:57:57 <Wolf01> http://www.microcenter.com/image.phtml?id=0217650&sku=570978 <--- looks cool 18:59:50 <CIA-3> miham * r5459 /trunk/lang/finnish.txt: [Translations] Changed: finnish (siirtaa -> poistaa [patch from hapo]) 19:02:56 <CIA-3> bjarni * r5460 /trunk/video/cocoa_v.m: -Feature: [OSX] macs with touchpads, that supports two finger scrolling can now use this feature to move around the map (ln-) 19:04:44 <hapo> wow :) 19:04:54 <hapo> ln-'s patch finally got trough 19:05:09 <Bjarni> finally? 19:05:16 <Bjarni> it got though in less than 24 hours 19:05:36 <Sacro> Bjarni: is that the same for synaptics ones? 19:05:55 <Bjarni> synaptics ones? 19:06:17 <Sacro> yeah 19:06:22 <Wolf01> Bjarni, what about make it possible also in window? test if the mouse is plumbed to screen or parallel to screen XD 19:06:54 <Bjarni> Sacro: what do you mean? 19:07:06 <Bjarni> Wolf01: what do you mean? 19:07:22 <Sacro> Bjarni: allows similar things on a laptop 19:07:49 <Wolf01> if you put the mouse horizontal you should be able to scroll the screen horizontally with the wheel 19:07:54 <Sacro> hmm, 2kbps on firefox 19:08:01 <Sacro> Wolf01: hehe 19:09:18 <Sacro> Features include variable scrolling areas, corner tap areas which act as virtual buttons, and the ability to start any application or perform a keyboard sequence from a button, whether real or virtual. This means any of their products have up to six 'buttons'. Their drivers are Windows certified 19:09:20 <Wolf01> sacro, your idea is cool, i have a laptop so i could use the touchpad to scroll the map... but how to separate it from the mouse itself? 19:09:25 <Bjarni> Sacro: well, this patch applies to games using the cocoa drivers only, so it applies to OSX only 19:09:41 <Sacro> Bjarni: ah, would need some synaptics specific code i imagine 19:09:46 <Sacro> unless its OS level 19:10:09 <Sacro> Bjarni: v 19:10:12 <Sacro> http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/ 19:11:30 <Sacro> i think its more likely to be part of X 19:12:22 <anboni> hmm.. the replace train window isn't wide enough when using UKRS 19:12:43 <Sacro> hehe 19:12:55 <Bjarni> anboni: screenshot? 19:13:14 <Sacro> Bjarni: a photo of the whole screen 19:13:16 <Bjarni> Sacro: ok, now you just need to find somebody to code this for you 19:13:56 <Bjarni> Sacro: I know. I asked for one of the possible bug in my window 19:14:06 <anboni> Bjarni, http://ivory.xs4all.nl/anboni/replace.png 19:14:20 <anboni> strictly speaking, the name fits, but the counters dont 19:14:27 *** ammler [n=ammler@161.147.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]"] 19:16:29 <Bjarni> well, it could be worse 19:16:42 *** Morlark [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:16:46 <anboni> true 19:17:08 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B80EBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["icebears... take care of them!"] 19:18:35 <Bjarni> but you reminds me of an other issue 19:18:40 <Sacro> :O MY EYES] 19:18:47 <Bjarni> the count is wrong for dualheaded engines 19:18:50 <Sacro> Bjarni: people using deltics for hauling coal? 19:19:14 <anboni> Sacro, yes, i use deltics for hauling coal 19:19:21 <Sacro> anboni: dont :P 19:19:28 <anboni> why? 19:19:29 <Bjarni> why? 19:19:42 <Bjarni> an engine is an engine 19:19:55 <anboni> and it's by far the most powerful engine available to me at this stage 19:20:03 <Sacro> yes, a deltic is a 3000hp engine capable of doing 100mph 19:20:20 <Sacro> that train is restricted to 45mph, and probably doesnt even require half that power to haul it 19:20:42 <anboni> i dont have wagon speed limits on 19:20:48 <Sacro> ah right 19:21:02 *** Sedated [n=gokeefe@S01060050da7af46c.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [""Mom and dad say I should make my life an example of the principles I believe in. But every time I do, they tell me to stop i] 19:21:21 <anboni> so then it's a choice between 3000hp/160kph or 1800hp/184kph... easy choice 19:21:40 <Sacro> 1800/184 its faster 19:21:54 <anboni> slightly.. and it looses that edge as soon as it hits a slope 19:22:07 <Sacro> i suppose 19:24:39 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 19:25:23 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 19:26:46 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:28:01 <Bjarni> brb 19:28:04 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:28:15 <Sacro> Brianetta: goooooooooood evening 19:29:05 <Brianetta> Yes, it is 19:29:09 <Brianetta> very goooooooooood. 19:29:19 *** znikoz [i=1@ant-122.ag1.dp.ukrtel.net] has joined #openttd 19:29:53 <Sacro> i hear your doing autopilot recoding 19:30:48 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:30:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:31:04 <Sacro> :O hes back 19:31:11 <Sacro> quick everybody, hide 19:32:36 <Bjarni> I said brb 19:32:40 <Bjarni> I needed to reboot 19:34:52 <ln-> 10.4.7? 19:38:10 <Brianetta> erm 19:41:23 <Bjarni> no 19:41:32 <Bjarni> I updated that a long time ago 19:42:00 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 19:43:55 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Client Quit] 19:44:46 <Bjarni> I guess Trenskow connects though a bad hotspot or something like that. It's not the first time he visits for a few sec 19:45:02 <Bjarni> maybe he should tell his neighbour to get a better one :P 19:45:54 <ln-> Bjarni: vornicus doesn't use Xcode, btw. 19:46:01 <Bjarni> ok 19:46:47 <Bjarni> tobin upgraded to Xcode 2, so I'm not really sure if anybody is left with 1.x anymore 19:49:11 <Bjarni> ln-: I guess we can try to update to Xocde 2 in svn. If you like, you can make your project file look nice, with the correctly setup of files and such and then zip the project bundle (openttd.xocdeproj or something like that... the name is longer than for Xcode 1.x) and send it to me 19:49:43 <Bjarni> I guess we should ask Trenskow what version of Xcode he uses before actually getting rid of the old one 19:50:15 <Bjarni> of cause since they don't actually have the same name, we can have both, but then we will add to make a messy trunk... 19:51:46 *** Osai^work is now known as Osai 19:57:04 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 19:57:13 *** tokai|odw2 [n=tokai@p54B810D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:58:02 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 19:58:03 <black_Nightmare> hey 19:58:33 <black_Nightmare> just wondering but did they add 'force train to depot on autoreplace' into the nightly build? 19:58:54 <black_Nightmare> because autoreplacing trains never worked when breakdowns were disabled but now oddly it did o0 0o 20:00:02 <XeryusTC> black_Nightmare: that is probably because you had "Disable servicing when breakdowns set to none" on 20:00:04 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 20:00:53 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-194-149.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:02:35 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-186-26.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:02:39 <black_Nightmare> hmmm brianetta must have changed that 20:03:01 <black_Nightmare> <is on brianetta's nightly server :p 20:05:15 * black_Nightmare still wondered where that german server using dbset xl grf went to 20:08:34 *** maQtra [n=piwsko@byh128.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:09:35 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 20:13:23 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B80EBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:13:29 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 20:13:40 <black_Nightmare> quiet isn't it? ;) 20:19:02 <Brianetta> black_Nightmare: That setting has always been on# 20:19:30 <black_Nightmare> hmm odd 20:19:56 <black_Nightmare> weird..first it was autoreplace always needing to be manually sent to depot then trains wouldn't turn around properly..and suddenly autoreplace works.... 20:20:10 <black_Nightmare> must have had a buggered openttd folder before 20:22:18 *** tokai|odw3 [n=tokai@p54B80B87.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:26:42 *** Sacro_ [n=ben@212.50.172.126] has joined #openttd 20:30:30 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:33:55 *** maQtra [n=piwsko@bxk249.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 20:34:27 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-186-26.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:34:44 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 20:39:06 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2E3CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:39:31 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B81D2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:41:57 *** tokai|odw2 [n=tokai@p54B810D5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:42:38 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 20:42:45 <Belugas_Gone> 'night all 20:43:31 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@64-252-109-92.adsl.snet.net] has joined #openttd 20:46:03 <Sacro> grr, missed the stripper at wimbledon 20:47:53 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:48:18 <black_Nightmare> what files is the 'data' folder supposed to come with? 20:48:25 <black_Nightmare> (just wondering which one were actually necessary alone) 20:49:04 <Sacro> not tr*.grf or sample.cat 20:49:16 <Triffid_Hunter> black_Nightmare: you need some of the grf files from the dos game.. it should say on the site somewhere what you need 20:49:37 <Sacro> Triffid_Hunter: not necesserily the dos one 20:52:16 <black_Nightmare> sacro..hm ty .. that seem to work 20:52:19 <black_Nightmare> bbl now :p 20:53:25 <Sacro> :) 20:53:58 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B81D2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Don't give me logic, give me emotions!"] 20:54:32 *** tokai|odw3 [n=tokai@p54B80B87.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:55:39 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2F1C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:55:39 *** dp is now known as dp-- 20:57:06 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-63-96.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:11:54 *** znikoz [i=1@ant-122.ag1.dp.ukrtel.net] has quit [] 21:13:14 <black_Nightmare> dumb question but do the 'Cht:' flags even work in openttd at all or not anymore? (this is an offline map of course) 21:14:00 <peter1138> they never have done 21:15:10 <black_Nightmare> ah hrm....where to skip it to year 2020 now...heh.... 21:16:45 <black_Nightmare> any idea? :p 21:17:01 <black_Nightmare> (me wanted see what this trainset had and there's no website for this grf so heh) 21:17:57 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@tnt-1-123.easynet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:20:45 <Bjarni> then you can play for a while 21:21:07 <Bjarni> gee, do we really have to tell you guys everything? 21:21:43 <glx> black_Nightmare: cheat menu 21:22:17 <hapo> use ctrl+alt+C 21:22:19 <hapo> to get to it 21:22:43 <black_Nightmare> ah thanks a lot 21:22:49 <hapo> no problem :) 21:22:51 <glx> or windows+ctrl+alt+C if the previous doesn't work 21:22:51 <black_Nightmare> oh...woah..thats one really big trainset.....! 21:24:02 <black_Nightmare> 10 steam, 11 diesel, 9 electric .. 10 mail/pass cars, 15 freight cars :p (this is tropical btw) 21:24:11 <black_Nightmare> heh ty for letting me see the 'full list' now :p 21:24:28 <black_Nightmare> now I know what to expect on the online tropical server (currently in year 1925 now) 21:25:59 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:26:46 <Bjarni> we should add a feature to have several grf sets and then the game pick random vehicles from those to make a game where you don't know what you get 21:27:39 <Bjarni> so you don't know what the future will bring and you don't sit and think "if I wait a year or two, I will get this vehicle, and then I can do...", but instead you have to plan stuff using the currently available vehicles 21:27:53 <peter1138> hah 21:28:02 <peter1138> you've not seen my "loads more vehicles" feature 21:28:10 <black_Nightmare> bjarni..actually... 21:28:18 <Bjarni> no, I can't say I have 21:28:19 <black_Nightmare> pikka has a full table for there's uk trainset 21:28:26 <black_Nightmare> I wish more people would do things like these 21:28:27 <peter1138> Bjarni: let's just say... pool 21:28:36 <black_Nightmare> makes it easy to know what you're going expect when downloading it as well 21:29:54 <Bjarni> black_Nightmare: I meant say the game only uses say 35% of the trains and the rest of the trains available will be from other sets. That way you will have enough available engine types, but you don't know which you can get before they arrive 21:30:11 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 21:30:14 <Bjarni> nothing to do with the user reading what each grf contains 21:30:19 <peter1138> yeah 21:30:38 <peter1138> the randomized 2 year intro date thing helps 21:30:39 <peter1138> but not much 21:30:53 <Sacro> errm...hmmm, fell off 21:31:01 <peter1138> call a doctor 21:31:02 <black_Nightmare> well bjarni....eg in pikka' ukrs set... 21:31:16 <black_Nightmare> I actually built a city-to-city heavy line but didn't put any trains on it for like close to 2 years 21:31:25 <peter1138> well that was silly 21:31:28 <black_Nightmare> was waiting for the first electric dmu unit to use on it 21:31:34 <black_Nightmare> would had been better than any of the current engines 21:31:43 <Sacro> what? your playing with UKRS, and suddenly Bjarni pops up 21:31:43 <peter1138> feh! 21:31:45 <peter1138> diesel railcar! 21:32:09 <Bjarni> steam all the way 21:32:16 <peter1138> steam railcar! ? 21:32:19 <black_Nightmare> peter.. I wanted 160km/h 21:32:35 <Bjarni> peter1138: well, that would do too 21:32:53 <peter1138> Bjarni: let's randomize the vehicle attributes! 21:33:50 <Bjarni> that would be nice as well 21:35:35 <Sacro> pointless 21:35:53 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: whats the password? 21:36:20 <Prof_Frink> 1-2-3-4-5 21:36:30 <Sacro> once i caught a fish alive? 21:36:39 <Bjarni> damn, I can't find an online picture of the steam railcars I'm thinking of 21:36:46 <Prof_Frink> No, that's the code to Born_Acorn's luggage 21:36:46 <Brianetta> Sacro: Akalamanaia misses you 21:37:01 <Trenskow> thought about making a auto-password thing. that will automaticly set the password of a company you create 21:37:08 <Bjarni> I even tried to google for two different ones, but it appears that none of them got pictures of them online 21:37:22 <Sacro> Brianetta: i cant remember the password 21:37:38 <Brianetta> Yours, or the server's? 21:37:53 <Sacro> Brianetta: servers.. 21:37:58 <Brianetta> ppcis.org/aka 21:38:03 <Sacro> firefox is taking its time 21:38:15 <Sacro> i could just wget the page actually 21:38:34 <Brianetta> It's a redirect 21:38:48 <Brianetta> I'm just providing him with a short URL for his server name 21:39:32 <Sacro> links ftw! 21:39:42 <Bjarni> ? 21:39:42 <Bjarni> why? 21:39:43 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:39:43 <Sacro> whats wrong with tinyurl 21:39:49 <Sacro> PMSL :D 21:39:51 <Brianetta> Apparently, they expire 21:39:58 <Sacro> ah, most likely 21:40:27 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:40:28 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:40:50 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 21:44:13 <Bjarni> http://www.railwaytouring.co.uk/ReportPics/SriRay2005/350Photo%209.jpg <-- here is a pic of a steam railcar. Not like the ones I were looking for though 21:46:54 <Bjarni> http://www.railpage.org.au/comrails/common/a_a0318.html <-- this pic is a bit better 21:47:15 <Bjarni> as you can see, it's not a far out fantasy, but something, that was actually used 21:47:21 <valhallasw> lol 21:47:54 <Bjarni> all of those, that I know of got one problem in common: weak and "undurable" steam engines 21:48:03 <black_Nightmare> that luggage van seem so alike to what the old buses were like 21:48:15 <black_Nightmare> they didn't even have any cargo storage under floor at all 21:48:31 <black_Nightmare> (today's buses can carry tons of bags under floor themself now tho....greyhound, etc) 21:51:03 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917161.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:51:27 <Bjarni> http://www.theglasgowstory.com/imageview.php?inum=TGSE00057&PHPSESSID=bb1fdba098e21eb4b432224458f9eadd <-- you all know those, right? 21:51:35 <Bjarni> they were also made as busses 21:53:48 <Bjarni> no reply... is that the same as none of you will admit to not knowing that such vehicles were built? 21:54:22 <Brianetta> http://www.urbanadventure.org/main/2002trip/scotland/glasgow2.htm 21:55:33 <Sacro> grr, Brianetta and Bjarni both seem to be lime green 21:55:46 <Brianetta> xchat? 21:55:49 <Sacro> yes 21:55:51 <Brianetta> It's lame 21:55:57 <Brianetta> Everybody is lime green or maroon 21:55:59 <Sacro> and you recommend...? 21:56:04 <valhallasw> irssi! 21:56:07 <Brianetta> turning off coloured nicks (: 21:56:14 <Sacro> no, black_Nightmare is red :) valhallasw is dark green 21:56:16 <lws1984> irssi! 21:56:27 <valhallasw> Sacro: is dark green, Brianetta in dark blue, lws1984 is lime 21:56:28 <Brianetta> I am always green 21:56:36 <lws1984> no colors whatsoever, except what you say, that shows in white 21:56:39 <Brianetta> Brianetta codes to green in xchat 21:56:42 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@tnt-1-123.easynet.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:56:45 <Sacro> :o i just made u blue 21:56:47 <Sacro> and im not sure how 21:56:48 <lws1984> i'm lime? yay, at least i'm a form of green 21:56:51 <black_Nightmare> everyone's just white here 21:56:54 <lws1984> how does it choose? 21:56:57 <lws1984> you 21:56:58 <Sacro> hmmm, its changed 21:57:00 <valhallasw> black_Nightmare: is red 21:57:02 <lws1984> you're all orange here 21:57:20 <Sacro> mwahahaha germany out the coupe de monde 21:57:36 <Bjarni> <Sacro> no, black_Nightmare is red :) valhallasw is dark green <-- and Sacro is valhallasw coloured 21:58:11 <Sacro> Bjarni: dont confuse me, ive just made u go bright red 21:58:14 <Vornicus> woo xchat nick colring 21:58:23 <Sacro> :O purple, whered that come from 21:59:21 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zzz 21:59:28 *** Osai^zzz is now known as Osai^zZz 21:59:29 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 21:59:40 <Sacro> :O group sleeping 22:00:27 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917161.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 22:05:21 <Sacro> hmm, if i put x-chat background to black... i cant read replies 22:05:36 * Sacro deems this as a good thing 22:05:45 <lws1984> lol 22:06:05 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:06:27 <Sacro> i want a whole new look for gnome, any recommendations? 22:07:20 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:08:26 <Brianetta> Sacro: Mine look slike MacOS X 22:08:47 <Sacro> Brianetta: if i wanted OSX (which i dont!) id get a mac :P 22:09:21 * Vornicus yeys for mac 22:09:30 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 22:10:20 * Sacro has just realised that the console is almost what im after 22:12:08 <Brianetta> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=32768 22:12:12 <Brianetta> Black, but not awful 22:12:28 <lws1984> i love mac 22:12:41 <Brianetta> Helen's iBook is lovely 22:12:46 <lws1984> mine is too 22:12:51 <lws1984> as is all my other Macs 22:13:40 <Sacro> oh yes :) this is nice 22:13:47 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B823AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:13:55 <Sacro> all dark and grey 22:13:59 <Brianetta> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=13548 22:14:03 <Brianetta> Cheating BUGGERS! 22:14:08 <Sacro> who 22:14:08 <Sacro> ? 22:14:15 <Brianetta> Their MacOS theme for Gnome has MacOS X screenies 22:14:19 <Brianetta> not Gnome screenies 22:14:23 <Sacro> pmsl 22:14:32 <Brianetta> Talk about overselling it 22:14:52 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176123173.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:15:05 <Sacro> how can you tell? 22:15:16 <Brianetta> I can tell by the panel 22:15:23 <Brianetta> There's no such animal on Linux 22:15:35 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Brianetta: if i wanted OSX (which i dont!) id get a mac :P <-- well, so far we have benefited from doing stuff you didn't. I guess that would apply to that statement as well :P 22:15:39 <Brianetta> There are panels, sure, but they work very differently, and it shows 22:15:43 <Sacro> Brianetta: you can get a similar dock for linux 22:16:01 <Brianetta> Sacro: Similar, perhaps, but not that. 22:16:08 <Brianetta> Also, Gnome doesn't support top-screen menus. 22:16:16 <Brianetta> KDE does, but it's not a KDE theme 22:16:25 <Brianetta> It's blatantly a Mac shot. 22:16:39 <Brianetta> Just like the KDE-XP theme screenshot was blatantly an XP shot. 22:16:55 <Brianetta> You know, that Start menu is hard to fake. 22:17:27 <Sacro> Brianetta: yeah, thats true, does look very Mac like 22:17:43 <Brianetta> That's because it's aMac 22:17:49 <Brianetta> Both of the shots 22:17:58 <lws1984> indeed, mildly photoshopped 22:18:04 <Brianetta> lws1984: Not even 22:18:13 <Brianetta> Gimp works on Mac 22:18:14 <lws1984> yes, the font is diffrent 22:18:26 <lws1984> true, but it's using teh wrong font in the menubar 22:18:26 <Brianetta> You can change font 22:18:33 <Brianetta> It's an X application 22:18:40 <lws1984> oh right... duh 22:18:41 <Brianetta> Have you run OpenOffice on MacOS X? 22:18:45 <lws1984> of course 22:18:48 <Brianetta> It's fugly 22:18:50 <lws1984> i just wasn't thinking 22:18:53 <Brianetta> and so is Gimp (: 22:19:06 <lws1984> indeed, they ought to find a way to make the standard font work on X 22:19:24 <Brianetta> When they do, they can port those changes to X.Org (: 22:19:31 <Brianetta> I'd like mac font handling 22:20:17 <lws1984> indeed, it works well 22:20:27 <lws1984> and the whole Mac system works very well 22:20:39 <Brianetta> yes 22:23:36 <Sacro> http://benwoodward.me.uk/desktop.png <- the best i can come up with so far 22:25:06 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 22:25:51 <Brianetta> It's OK 22:26:01 *** tokai|odw2 [n=tokai@p54B826CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:26:31 <Sacro> Brianetta: :) 22:26:39 <Sacro> need an audacious skin, mine looks too...OSX like 22:26:41 <Bjarni> Sacro: 71°C... 22:26:43 *** tokai|odw2 [n=tokai@p54B826CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:27:02 <Sacro> Bjarni: yes' 22:27:08 <Bjarni> you want to fry eggs on that thing? 22:27:23 <glx> Sacro: intel? 22:27:26 <Sacro> Median decieded to stick a desktop p4 in a laptop 22:27:33 <Sacro> glx: yes, 2.4 22:28:20 <eQualizer> Would it be anykind of idea to add a patch to make ships material? Meaning there wouldn't be 5234 ships on one tile. 22:28:59 <Brianetta> http://ppcis.org/Screenshot.png 22:29:08 <Bjarni> eQualizer: well, we just remove the free space between the atoms, and then there will be room for that 22:29:12 <Bjarni> it's called compression 22:29:39 <lws1984> indeed, it's existed for ages. 22:29:44 <Trenskow> how much is actually patch into trunk from the miniin branch 22:29:49 <Sacro> its like a mac running gnome... 22:29:54 <Bjarni> zip files work the same way. You get rid of the info you don't have to store, because you know what it will be anyway 22:30:07 <Brianetta> Sacro: More than you know 22:30:27 <Brianetta> Gnome borrows a lot from Mac - much more than KDE. 22:30:35 <Sacro> Brianetta: cool 22:30:36 <glx> Trenskow: most of patches in MiniIN will never go in trunk 22:30:42 <Sacro> im thinking of going to my first LUG meeting soon 22:31:05 <Trenskow> glx, hmm 22:31:11 <Trenskow> there's some cool stuff in there 22:31:28 <Sacro> yeah, its a shame 22:32:08 <Trenskow> like the terrain generator 22:33:12 <Sacro> TGP i think is being merged 22:33:31 <glx> yes it has it's own branch for now 22:33:54 <glx> and I said most not all :) 22:35:59 <Sacro> glx: heh 22:36:10 <Trenskow> hope my network patch makes it :) 22:36:16 <Trenskow> to trunk 22:36:30 <glx> what does it do? 22:36:43 <Trenskow> it's just a network filter for the network server list 22:37:09 <glx> hmm yeah it has a chance to go in trunk I think :) 22:37:21 <Trenskow> + it adds the possibility of the server running other languages than any/english/german/french 22:37:52 <Wolf01> 'night people 22:37:59 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host235-235.pool874.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 22:39:22 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B823AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:39:54 <Bjarni> goodnight 22:39:56 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:45:42 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:50:06 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:58:14 *** valhallasw is now known as valhallazzzw 23:01:15 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 23:09:16 *** Lord^^Pas [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 23:11:10 <Brianetta> versus 23:11:57 *** coppercore is now known as copperheatpipes 23:12:16 <Sacro> ? 23:12:40 *** copperheatpipes is now known as coppercore 23:13:05 <Brianetta> My mouse drifted over this window mid-sentence 23:13:14 <Sacro> oooh, clever 23:13:34 <Brianetta> not so much 23:13:45 <Brianetta> I should kepe my mouse still whilst typing 23:14:02 <Sacro> heh 23:16:58 <Sacro> hmm, firefox seems to want to be wider than the screen 23:17:06 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has joined #openttd 23:27:16 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:27:45 *** Lord^^Pas is now known as PAStheLoD 23:29:23 *** maQtra [n=piwsko@bxk249.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:29:54 <Eddi|zuHause> everybody always wants more than they can get ;) 23:33:32 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 23:46:13 *** fusey [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22"] 23:46:14 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 23:56:22 *** exe_ [i=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:57:47 *** fusey [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd