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00:00:21 <exe_> and dirty screen pieces and just render it all 00:00:34 <peter1138> slow 00:00:37 <peter1138> so slow 00:00:44 <peter1138> (which is why it's not done like that currently) 00:01:06 <exe_> at least on windows and linux you could use hardware acceleration 00:01:07 <peter1138> of course, the current blitter isn't much cop 00:08:12 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 00:10:33 <Brianetta> I want to see it. 00:10:42 <Brianetta> Just so that the nay-sayers have to eat their words. 00:13:35 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 00:13:50 <Belugas_Gone> redbull ... pffff 00:14:00 <Belugas_Gone> coffee! now you're talking! 00:14:02 <peter1138> actually it is tesco's own brand, called "kick" 00:14:10 <peter1138> exactly the same, but cheaper 00:14:13 <Sacro> ooh thats potent stuff 00:14:23 <Belugas_Gone> :) 00:14:33 <Sacro> specially with vodka 00:14:36 <peter1138> :) 00:14:41 <peter1138> unfortunately, not at work 00:14:44 <Belugas_Gone> ha! now you're talking! 00:14:56 <peter1138> so yeah 00:15:00 <Belugas_Gone> they don't have to know, as long as you provide the code 00:15:08 <peter1138> our PCI compliance demands we run tripwire on our servers 00:15:10 <peter1138> however 00:15:30 <peter1138> our PCI compliance security testing says we can't run tripwire because it has known security flaws 00:15:37 <peter1138> how dumb. 00:15:59 <Belugas_Gone> dancing on one foot :) 00:16:19 <Belugas_Gone> how much longer are they going to keep you on this schedule? 00:16:42 <Belugas_Gone> until overtime paid the new house ;) ? 00:17:20 <peter1138> hehe 00:18:09 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp15-169.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 00:19:18 <RichK67> yo there belugas! 00:22:33 <Sacro> heh 00:22:40 <Belugas_Gone> i wonder if my son can absorb cafein through my breath... he does not want to sleep o_O 00:22:46 <Belugas_Gone> hello RichK67 00:22:58 <Sacro> :S 00:25:34 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:25:34 <RichK67> how old is he? 00:27:22 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #openttd 00:31:18 *** glx_ [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 00:31:35 <Belugas_Gone> 2 year and a half 00:31:53 <Belugas_Gone> hello glx 00:32:32 <Belugas_Gone> ho... yo're not really there... reflex 00:33:12 <Sacro> hehe 00:33:52 <RichK67> bit old for a fractious night... is he well? 00:34:07 <RichK67> or just hyper? 00:34:54 <Belugas_Gone> well... as i come home, before supper, we always play a lot. 00:35:17 <Belugas_Gone> so, i guess he might be a little over excited 00:35:20 <RichK67> ah... sorry... i forgot 5hrs behind :) 00:35:30 <RichK67> 8.35 00:35:33 <Belugas_Gone> ho, yes, that :) 00:35:48 <RichK67> i thought ... my god, the kids up at 1.35am :) 00:36:28 <Belugas_Gone> in a matter of fact, up until he was 1.5 year, he was a real nightmare. waking up at least 5 times per night 00:36:32 <Belugas_Gone> we were exhausted 00:36:41 <RichK67> ow 00:36:59 <peter1138> anyone ever used rsync as a daemon on windows? 00:36:59 <Belugas_Gone> the first week he decided to do full nights, it was heaveb 00:37:11 <Belugas_Gone> nope 00:37:46 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCA1028.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 00:39:08 <peter1138> hmm 00:39:13 <peter1138> it's working fine 00:39:20 <peter1138> but it's being very unixy 00:39:35 <peter1138> the files it creates are owned by the service owner, with no other permissions 00:39:36 <Belugas_Gone> http://optics.ph.unimelb.edu.au/help/rsync/rsync_pc1.html 00:39:43 <peter1138> such that even administrator can't change them 00:42:07 *** Kejhic [n=Kejhic@224-26.connection.cz] has left #openttd [] 00:46:05 <Sacro> hmm, not good 00:49:39 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:56:42 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has quit ["The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him"] 01:04:16 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 01:05:37 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 01:09:23 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:16:46 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-245-49.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:17:24 *** BurningFeetMan [n=BurningF@CPE-203-51-109-69.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:18:29 <BurningFeetMan> Morning 01:20:54 <exe_> not yet 01:21:19 <BurningFeetMan> Sure it is! ^_^ 01:23:27 <Matex> it's almost afternoon 01:23:29 <Matex> ^^ 01:23:43 <Belugas_Gone> not for me :) the world is speaking in here! 01:24:08 <lws1984> 'tis late evening 01:24:16 <lws1984> 9:24:15 01:24:17 <Belugas_Gone> err... i'm not the world... everypart of the world is speaking in here... 01:24:20 <Matex> tis 11:20AM ^^ 01:24:34 <Belugas_Gone> yeah 9:24 me too! 01:24:42 <Belugas_Gone> how funny! 01:24:46 <lws1984> Belugas_Gone, where you at? 01:27:49 <Belugas_Gone> montreal, quebec. and you? 01:28:01 <lws1984> Boston 01:28:01 <exe_> 03:30 01:28:08 <Belugas_Gone> american! 01:28:20 <lws1984> indeed 01:28:25 <lws1984> but not happy about it 01:28:32 <Belugas_Gone> neighbours :) 01:28:44 <Belugas_Gone> not happy to be american? 01:28:51 <Belugas_Gone> or be my neightbours?? 01:29:13 <lws1984> not happy to be american 01:29:23 <lws1984> at least, to have Dubya as president 01:29:42 <Belugas_Gone> yeah... that... thing 01:30:11 <lws1984> yeah, bloody Texans 01:31:09 <Belugas_Gone> I cannot understood why he got back in power... that was a shock all over the country, and presumably all over the world too 01:32:24 <Belugas_Gone> that is strange, first time i meet an american who is not proud to be one... 01:32:41 <lws1984> well, i like America 01:32:45 <lws1984> i just don't like teh government 01:32:50 <lws1984> and most of the people 01:34:55 <Belugas_Gone> heheh feeling is mutual :D 01:35:12 <Belugas_Gone> i am dealing with some texans, right now 01:35:17 <Belugas_Gone> the guys are cool 01:35:26 <Belugas_Gone> but they want everything right now 01:35:31 <lws1984> hmmm 01:35:39 <Belugas_Gone> and cannot take a no for answer 01:35:48 <lws1984> sound familiar? :p 01:35:59 <Belugas_Gone> yes, indeed :) 01:37:36 <mikk36> err, who is a texan ? 01:38:18 <BurningFeetMan> I'm Australian ^_^ 01:38:42 <Matex> I'm Australian ^^ 01:39:05 <Matex> You're not Australian BurningFeetMan, you're a dirty Sydneyrian. 01:39:10 <Matex> I spit on you. 01:39:14 <mikk36> lol 01:39:24 <BurningFeetMan> At least I don't live in the ACT. 01:39:44 <Matex> I don't live in the ACT. :P 01:39:54 <Matex> I live about 500 metres from the ACT border. 01:39:59 <Matex> I'm a New South Welshman. 01:40:28 <Belugas_Gone> ACT? 01:40:46 <Matex> Australian Capital Territory 01:40:53 <Belugas_Gone> ho... ok :) 01:41:15 <RichK67> BurningFeetMan??? hmm... is that from Icehouse's Great Southern Land? 01:41:19 <Matex> I pretty much do say I live in the ACT, considering I shop, work, do everything there. 01:41:28 <Matex> The Australian Capital Territory (ACT) is the capital territory of the Commonwealth of Australia and its smallest, but most populous, self-governing territory. It is an inland enclave in New South Wales, situated in bushland. 01:41:38 <Matex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Capital_Territory 01:41:50 <Matex> Belugas_Gone, that's where the capital of Australia is 01:41:55 <Matex> it's a creative name 01:41:59 <Matex> leaves a lot to the imagination 01:42:04 <Belugas_Gone> indeed :) 01:42:30 <Belugas_Gone> i would love to take a visit to australia sometimes 01:42:44 <Matex> Just don't goto Sydney. 01:42:51 <Matex> Despite what tourism says - it's a hole. 01:42:56 <Matex> Go to Melbourne instead 01:43:01 <Belugas_Gone> the great coral thing... 01:43:05 <Matex> reef? 01:43:11 <Matex> go there before it's gone 01:43:12 <Belugas_Gone> yeah, anywhere where water is! 01:43:14 <Matex> it's being destroyed 01:43:17 <BurningFeetMan> Hey Belugas_Gone, I live in the best place in the world ^_^ Sydney Beaches rock 01:43:19 <Belugas_Gone> ??? 01:43:21 <RichK67> stuff that... i gotta go see the Morning Glory :) 01:43:23 <Matex> Sydney sucks nuts BurningFeetMan. 01:43:34 <Matex> It is the most vile, dirty city in the world. 01:43:40 <BurningFeetMan> Matex, you haven't seen north of the harbour bridge. Stop talking outa your arse. 01:43:45 <Matex> People spit on the streets, and there are a lot of homeless people/. 01:43:53 <Matex> That's true I haven't, but the CBD is disgusting. 01:44:01 <Matex> And it smells really weird, you're probably just used to it. 01:44:07 <BurningFeetMan> The CBD of most cities is disgusting 01:44:15 <Belugas_Gone> what do yo mean it's destroyed??? 01:44:16 <Matex> not Canberra 01:44:26 <BurningFeetMan> Canberra isn't a city. It's a country town. 01:44:29 <Matex> Belugas_Gone, shipping lanes, heating of water, etc. 01:44:40 <Belugas_Gone> ho :( 01:44:42 <Belugas_Gone> sad day 01:44:48 <Belugas_Gone> illusions went away 01:44:51 <peter1138> hmm 01:44:58 <Matex> Canberra is the capital city of Australia and with a population of just over 325,000 is Australia's largest inland city. 01:45:02 <Matex> it says city BurningFeetMan 01:45:02 <Matex> :P 01:45:04 <Matex> take that! 01:45:07 <RichK67> climate is killing off the coral... its getting too warm, and bleaching... makes it a lifeless shell 01:45:39 <BurningFeetMan> RichK67... another million years it'll all be back to normal. 01:45:46 <peter1138> :( 01:45:49 *** Artea_ [i=xtreme@bl7-208-48.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #OpenTTD 01:45:57 <Matex> thats true Burgundavia 01:45:59 <Matex> BurningFeetMan 01:46:09 <Matex> except it won't be how it is today 01:46:36 <Belugas_Gone> one day, i was on a diving boat. about 10 minutes before jumping in the sea, there is that chick who starts spreading sun lotion on her. sun lotion kills coral. i bursted... poor girl... 01:46:37 <RichK67> well.. normal is a weird word.... normal for the earth is about 5-10C warmer worldwide than today, with no permanent ice at poles... 01:46:48 <Belugas_Gone> freaked her out of the water for good 01:47:41 <Matex> Due to the range of human uses made of the water catchment area adjacent to the Great Barrier Reef some 400 of the 3000 reefs are within a risk zone where water quality has declined owing to sediment and chemical runoff from farming, and to loss of coastal wetlands which are a natural filter. 01:47:44 <RichK67> lol - cruel man... a friend swears by the diving out in the Red Sea 01:47:51 <BurningFeetMan> Richk67... the earth is frozen usually, compared to what we have today... IE, the world is usually in an Ice Age... currently, we're over due for our next Ice Age. 01:48:09 <RichK67> nope... we are in an ice age 01:48:16 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:48:23 <RichK67> ice age = permanent ice cap at pole 01:48:29 <Matex> we are technically still in an iceage 01:48:31 <Matex> at the end of one 01:48:40 <Belugas_Gone> well... since autralia does not have cute coral reef, i have to change my dstination to red sea then 01:48:52 <Matex> it's still there Belugas_Gone 01:48:54 <Matex> and cute 01:49:57 <Matex> The present ice age began 40 million years ago with the growth of an ice sheet in Antarctica, but intensified during the Pleistocene (starting around 3 million years ago) with the spread of ice sheets in the Northern Hemisphere. Since then, the world has seen cycles of glaciation with ice sheets advancing and retreating on 40,000 and 100,000 year time scales. The last glacial period ended about 10,000 years ago. 01:49:57 <RichK67> its all a matter of perspective... last 1000 years; we are warm.... last 2000 years, we are cool... last 10000 years, we are warm... last million years, we are cool... last 200 million years, we are frozen 01:49:59 <BurningFeetMan> I thought Ice ages was when the northern seas were frozen over... 01:50:45 <BurningFeetMan> Short term ice ages, and long term ones. 01:50:58 <RichK67> yup ...we are in an "inter-glacial"... so the ice should be coming back, and is often preceeded by a warming 01:51:14 <Matex> yeah 01:51:18 <BurningFeetMan> Interesting 01:51:18 <Matex> we won't be alive when it comes back though 01:51:24 <Belugas_Gone> hhehe better yet, i now have two destinations! now, to convince my boss 01:51:25 <Matex> everyone needs to stop complaing 01:51:32 <BurningFeetMan> but is this warming we're experiencing now caused by humans :P 01:51:36 <Matex> there is plenty of oil, and there is plenty of warming up to do before there is any damage 01:52:00 <Belugas_Gone> have you heard of the hypothesis that in fact all that climate change is due to change in poles orientation? 01:52:02 <Belugas_Gone> meaning 01:52:06 <BurningFeetMan> The amount of oil isn't the problem, it's the cost of it :P No more "free energy" 01:52:16 <Matex> the cost will become a constant 01:52:32 <Matex> it won't go up dramatically 01:52:42 <Matex> and over the next 7 years, it's meant to go down 01:52:43 <RichK67> it may be accelerated by us, but the earth has suffered much worse 01:52:46 <Matex> according to Bloomberg 01:53:06 <RichK67> its just our current culture isnt adapted to how else it may change 01:53:18 <Matex> humans are just weak and fragile 01:53:37 <Matex> and people when they get in large numbers, tend to complain about a non-existant factor 01:53:53 <Matex> and if there is nothing to complain about - people will find something 01:54:08 <RichK67> so what if water level rises... people will move, or drown.. no other two options... will the earth care? probably not 01:54:32 <Matex> but the water level will rise so damn slowly that noone will notice 01:54:37 <Matex> it doesn't really matter 01:54:38 <RichK67> its only us humans who want a static unchanging world... well, its all moving... 01:54:49 <Matex> and if it does rise, Sydney will be like Venice 01:54:51 <RichK67> always has, always will 01:54:56 <Matex> they'll just put up whopping damns 01:54:57 <BurningFeetMan> MAtex, why do you think the price of oil will drop? Because of one article you've read? 01:55:14 <Matex> BurningFeetMan, Bloomberg knows much more then internet weiners who write articles. 01:55:21 <Matex> I'm sick of all these 'e-opinions'. 01:55:34 <Matex> Opinions are best kept to yourself unless you're a non-selfproclaimed expert 01:56:38 <BurningFeetMan> Who says I got my "e-opinion" of the internet? 01:56:46 <Matex> where did you get it from? 01:56:59 <Belugas_Gone> Beware of those who proclaim opinions openly. Those who really who just shut up, especially when there is something to gain out of it 01:57:44 *** glx_ is now known as glx 01:58:06 <BurningFeetMan> Many documentries I've seen, along with my knowledge of geology and minerals. Personally, I've visited powerplants, open cut mines, lots of fun stuff. My day to day job is actually drawing coal prep-plants and oil rigs. 01:58:21 <BurningFeetMan> My dad also worked on major oil rigs around the world for 25 years. 01:58:32 <Matex> but that's not market analysis, and not oil predictions 01:58:49 <Matex> that's all well and good, but it's the glasses wearing folk in the corporate HQ who know about the sums 01:59:12 <BurningFeetMan> Hubert Curve? Or is that just another E-opinion 01:59:25 * peter1138 mogwais 01:59:44 * Belugas_Gone seconds that!!!! 01:59:48 <Matex> BUT 02:00:01 <Matex> Hubberts (2 b's) Curve only applies in limited scenarios 02:00:40 * peter1138 infuses tea 02:00:44 <BurningFeetMan> How about the fact that saudi arabia won't allow any external audits on it's oil resources... 02:01:15 <RichK67> ahhh.... mogwai... want some food, its after midnight :) 02:02:07 <Matex> such as where there is lots of fields, that the sum of a large number of asymmetrical distros become symmetrical under the CLT of stats. That exploration only follows a known pattern is no economic factrs, or political events (so not good for the persuan gulf), and where there is 1 place having a natural distro of fields where there is no political influence 02:02:18 <Matex> heaps and heaps of companies don't allow external audits 02:02:21 <peter1138> hmm, i went to tesco earlier to get food, but i've run out 02:02:25 <peter1138> maybe i should go back for more 02:02:27 <BurningFeetMan> But all the cheap easy fields have been found. 02:02:35 <Matex> just because they're prominent, and people want their info, doesn't mean they have to 02:02:42 <Matex> No, not all have been found at all. 02:02:47 <Matex> It's impossible to know that. 02:02:53 <BurningFeetMan> You need a 4 billion dollar rig to swim about in the oceans and dig for oil these days. 02:03:22 <BurningFeetMan> 4 billion dollars translates to higher oil prices. 02:03:50 <BurningFeetMan> No, we're not gonna run out tomorrow... but the term of "Black Gold" comes to mind... 02:03:51 <Matex> 4 billion dollars is not even a ripple in the world oil trade industry 02:03:57 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 02:04:04 <Matex> the term Black Gold has come to mind countless times over the last 100 years 02:04:05 <RichK67> problem is converting 250 million americans from leading the world further up its ass 02:04:13 <BurningFeetMan> 4 billion dollars, compared to what used to be pretty much free... 02:04:27 <BurningFeetMan> Richk67, I don't like george bush either :( 02:04:46 <Matex> 73, 79, 90, and we've recovered from them all 02:04:54 <RichK67> nope... i mean mr joe america, who worships a) consumption, and b) the petrol car 02:04:54 *** Osai^2 [n=Osai@p54B37242.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:04:57 *** Belugas_Gone [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 02:05:02 <Matex> I love George W. Bush. He is a fantastic leader, and is fantastic for the USA. 02:05:07 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 02:05:12 <Matex> He suits that intense, high pressured environment. 02:05:23 <Matex> He would suck in countries such as Australia. 02:05:26 <RichK67> its not sustainable whatever party is in power in washington 02:05:39 *** Chakal17 [n=a@Toronto-HSE-ppp3752203.sympatico.ca] has joined #openttd 02:06:07 * RichK67 asks for a year's supply of Yellow Rose of Texas tinted specs from Matex 02:06:44 <Matex> Also, more local BurningFeetMan, it's just a matter of time before Australia detaches itself from OPEC. 02:07:02 <Matex> We get 80% of our petroleum-ready oil locally. 02:07:05 <BurningFeetMan> Matex, most the books indicate that unless we start finding more oil real soon, demand with outstrip supply. 02:07:32 <BurningFeetMan> Australians oil supply is half of Australias demand 02:08:42 <RichK67> GW Bush is inept; his idea of diplomacy created the war with Iraq (which I supported to the extent that it was a mission to eliminate WoMD), and his environment policy stinks of the oil rights in his and Dad's pockets... 02:09:45 <Chakal17> Hi every one, I have a problem with OTTD 0.4.8-RC1. Anybody can try to help? 02:10:00 <Belugas_Gone> is it abuot industries? 02:10:07 <Chakal17> Steel Mills 02:10:09 <RichK67> lets guess.. .secondary industries dont produce anything 02:10:15 <RichK67> :) 02:10:23 <Chakal17> looks like i'm not the first 02:10:47 <RichK67> i refer the honourable gentleman to the answer i gave some moments ago.... 02:11:13 <RichK67> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26309 02:11:23 <Chakal17> ok, thanks, I'll go check it 02:11:38 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37098.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:12:15 <RichK67> lol - i dont see why the RC1 was even released... the bug was known before it got posted 02:12:28 <BurningFeetMan> I wasn't happy with G.Bush's veto 02:13:17 <Chakal17> Well, I did search on the forums too RichK67, but I didn't find any post about it. Thanks again for helping me. 02:15:04 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:15:08 *** Chakal17 [n=a@Toronto-HSE-ppp3752203.sympatico.ca] has quit [] 02:15:28 <RichK67> i just dont think its been an honourable presidency.... dodgy beginning, leads the country to fight Sadaam (when they were a controllable problem), and then no member of his cabinet has attended the arrival of the body bag back in the country... they were sent without honour, and are returned without honour... disgusting. at least in UK, a government minister is always present at return of our war dead 02:15:41 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 02:16:08 *** gpsoft [n=gaal@mirka.ynet.sk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:16:29 <Matex> Our dead war soldier got a full military send off. 02:16:33 <Matex> But we've only had 1. 02:16:40 <Matex> And he either shot himself, or was shot by another Australia. 02:16:42 <Matex> +n 02:17:02 <Matex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Kovco 02:17:40 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)"] 02:17:44 <BurningFeetMan> Yeah, bit strange that. I think they were joking around, and he took the joke too far :( Typical. 02:18:14 <Matex> Russian roulette? 02:18:33 <Matex> but impossible to play Russian roulette with a 9mm Browning though 02:19:39 <RichK67> it was inevitable dubya would go to war with iraq... even without 9/11... 9/11 just gave a useful excuse to persuade the american people it was a good idea... notice he didnt push the "in with al qaeda" angle everywhere, just with his own people 02:20:05 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 02:20:20 <RichK67> bah... 02:21:06 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 02:21:09 <Matex> hey BurningFeetMan 02:21:09 <Matex> The military board of inquiry led by Warren Cook convened to investigate issues surrounding both the death and the repatriation in Sydney on 19 June, 2006. The opening statement of council assisting Colonel Michael Griffin via video link from Baghdad included the revelation that Kovco, on 21 March just 14 days into his tour of duty, he had dreamt of and written in his journal about his death by a shot to the head from his own pistol:[34] 02:21:17 <Matex> "I dreamt I was sitting in our room (here) by myself and for some unknown reason I pulled out my 9mm pistol and shot myself in the head!? I have no idea why but it seemed I wanted to see what it felt like." Kovco described hearing "the click of the hammer" as he shot himself, but he wrote, instead of a loud crack, "the sound went dull as the bullet entered my skull. It was like I could feel the bullet inside a few seconds later I went limp and started gushin 02:21:21 <Matex> I never knew he did that 02:21:24 <Matex> or wrote that 02:21:29 <Matex> it's pretty clear he did it himself then 02:23:44 <BurningFeetMan> yeah 02:23:52 <BurningFeetMan> He wrote THAT in his journal 02:23:56 <Matex> yup 02:24:00 <BurningFeetMan> Maybe... he was setup? 02:24:08 <Matex> someone else wrote it? 02:24:09 <RichK67> the really dodgy one recently is the uk "deepcut barracks" deaths... one was meant to commit suicide by shooting himself twice with his rifle... but both shots were regarded as "instantly fatal"... err.... err.... 02:24:10 <BurningFeetMan> HE KNEW SOMETHING THAT HE WASN'T MENT TO KNOW 02:24:17 <Matex> doubt that, handwriting? 02:24:19 <Matex> yeah 02:24:19 <Matex> well 02:24:23 <Matex> ALLEGEDLY 02:24:30 <Matex> he was an elite sniper, not just a differ 02:24:35 <Matex> and part of 'black operations'. 02:24:40 <Matex> *tinfoil hat* 02:26:27 <BurningFeetMan> So what's happening with oil Matex... can I keep my four wheel drive or what. 02:26:42 <Matex> yup 02:26:47 <Matex> at least for the next 20 years 02:27:34 <RichK67> theres a really cool 4WD coming that uses petrol for long journeys, but charges its own batteries during long runs... when at slow/low speeds it uses electric... from toyota... big 4x4 02:27:56 <RichK67> zero emissions on school run 02:28:11 <BurningFeetMan> http://science.howstuffworks.com/invisibility-cloak6.htm *LIES* ALL LIES. It's not an invisible cloak at all. :( 02:31:54 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:34:20 <RichK67> gn 02:34:23 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 02:36:37 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 02:41:21 <BurningFeetMan> WALKY TIME 02:42:17 <Belugas_Gone> sleeping time 02:42:19 <Belugas_Gone> night all 02:43:39 <peter1138> hah! 03:00:26 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 03:05:39 <BurningFeetMan> MAtex, can I go out with you? 03:06:24 <Matex> yes 03:06:27 <Matex> I'm in a shit of a mood. 03:08:08 <BurningFeetMan> That's not good 03:08:17 <BurningFeetMan> If I could unshit it, I would... 03:08:37 <Matex> and my work-mate has played that song from Super Troopers AT LEAST 10 fucking times 03:08:45 <Matex> I'm about to go postal. 03:08:54 <BurningFeetMan> BTW, I've started talking to the central coast slut again... I suxor the harder one. ;_; 03:08:54 <Matex> and he giggles when he plays it. 03:08:55 <Matex> :@ 03:10:18 <BurningFeetMan> MAYBE, you need wasabi 03:10:53 <BurningFeetMan> what the hell 03:11:46 <Matex> Maybe I need an uzi. 03:11:50 <Matex> And a trench-coat. 03:11:58 <BurningFeetMan> This panadene Fort has countered the wasabi in my sushi 03:12:45 <Matex> :( 03:13:09 <BurningFeetMan> ARGH FUCK, there it is 03:13:19 <BurningFeetMan> still, I added like, triple of what I usually ad. 03:13:51 <Matex> ^_^ 03:14:31 <BurningFeetMan> So, where can we go for our first Date? 03:14:48 <BurningFeetMan> I'm thinking china town 03:15:34 <Matex> sure 03:15:37 <Matex> just get me out of here 03:15:44 <BurningFeetMan> THEN we'll go to vegas, and get married 03:15:59 <BurningFeetMan> Why don't you just play your music louder? 03:19:14 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 03:19:14 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 03:19:32 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 03:19:43 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 03:32:11 <Matex> hehe 03:32:11 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-10608.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:32:12 <Matex> I could 03:32:15 <Matex> but I only have laptop speakers 03:32:19 <Matex> he will overpower me with desktop ones 03:36:33 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-10608.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 03:40:29 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 03:40:32 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 03:40:44 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 03:40:58 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 03:41:56 <Matex> BurningFeetMan 03:41:58 <Matex> he's playing it again 03:42:00 <Matex> number 11 03:46:22 <BurningFeetMan> yes 03:46:25 <BurningFeetMan> Really? 03:46:30 <BurningFeetMan> What song is it? 03:54:45 <Matex> you know the song in Super Troopers as the Porsche is driving past? 03:55:02 <Matex> He plays a combination of that, Every Me and Every You by Placebo and some Linkin Park song 03:59:22 <BurningFeetMan> I've never seen Super Troopers. Please don't beat me. 03:59:40 <BurningFeetMan> Placebo, fuck that. And Linkin Park = You can cut him legally. 04:00:59 <BurningFeetMan> My boss makes so many little mistakes... I mean we all make little mistakes... but I'm always fixing his.. :( 04:02:21 <BurningFeetMan> Matex, I was wondering, can we call our first child "Jesus", and then the second kid "Putrid"? 04:08:35 <Matex> certaintly 04:11:33 <BurningFeetMan> Then, when we call them into dinner, it'll be "Putrid, Jesus darlings! Suppers ready!" ^_^ 04:12:43 <Matex> sounds hot 04:14:23 <lws1984> aah, so you have an idiot boss too? 04:15:14 <Matex> me? 04:15:25 <Matex> I have a boss that knows nothing about IT - and he's the IT Manager 04:15:30 <Matex> he's like the pointy haired boss in Dilbert 04:17:22 <lws1984> haha 04:17:28 <lws1984> i'm the sysadmin 04:17:32 <lws1984> my boss is complete idiot 04:17:43 <coppercore> oh Shit 04:17:43 <lws1984> wanted WEP security for our wireless hehe 04:17:46 <coppercore> BOFH 04:17:51 <lws1984> we have unprotected wireless 04:17:57 <lws1984> but we connect through wireless by VPN 04:18:06 <coppercore> GG overhead 04:18:23 <lws1984> me, a BOFH? only sometimes ;) 04:18:37 <Matex> lws1984, yeah I'm the network admin 04:18:43 <Matex> my workmate does desktop shit 04:18:49 <Matex> he is quite annoying 04:21:03 <Matex> wow 04:21:21 <Matex> you know you work at a company with too much money when they approve a purchase for a new clickable button to be placed on our website 04:21:27 <Matex> and charging us 2 for the pleasure 04:22:30 <BurningFeetMan> I sit at work and draw stuff 04:22:46 <BurningFeetMan> The factory likes my drawings... seems my boss forgets stuff on his though that shits everyone. 04:23:21 <Matex> do you use mspaint? 04:23:54 <BurningFeetMan> LOL 04:24:11 <BurningFeetMan> I use Solidworks 2006 ^_^ 04:24:59 <BurningFeetMan> http://burningfeetman.googlepages.com/BFMsworkload 04:25:06 <BurningFeetMan> Small example of what I do 04:27:55 <Matex> I drew something much better BurningFeetMan 04:27:57 <peter1138> nice 04:27:57 <Matex> show it to your boss 04:27:59 <Matex> and hire me 04:28:05 <Matex> hang on its uploading 04:28:32 <Matex> http://img15.imgspot.com/u/06/201/00/stairs1153455738.PNG 04:28:35 <Matex> whatcha think? 04:28:48 <Matex> wow it only half uploaded 04:28:50 <Matex> thats even better 04:29:13 <Matex> http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7963/stairswt0.png 04:29:15 <Matex> there you go sunshine 04:30:03 <lws1984> `hmm, i'm going to have to goof off here 04:30:08 <peter1138> it's certainly got an edge to it 04:30:15 <Matex> peter1138, thats what I thought. 04:30:28 <lws1984> they're talking TTDPatch code in #tycoon, usually the first sign you shouldn't pay attention 04:30:47 <peter1138> heh 04:33:36 <Matex> I want a graphics tablet so I don't look like I have the writing of a 4 year old. 04:37:52 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-209-214.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:37:54 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B763D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:38:04 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B763D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:39:57 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-214-37.pth-as7.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 04:41:38 <BurningFeetMan> I downloaded and installed the nightly patch 04:41:41 <BurningFeetMan> BUT 04:41:55 <BurningFeetMan> I didn't see any changes between the nightly patch, and version 0.4.7 04:42:35 <BurningFeetMan> Yesterday, I was hearing chat about interesting power station features, and different train loadings, like 20% and 40% ect ect... but, in the nightly build, ... it looked the same as 0.4.7? 04:43:42 <Matex> rift in the time-space continuum' 04:46:47 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-206-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:49:35 <publunch> miaow 04:54:28 <peter1138> woof 04:55:05 <Matex> snakes 04:55:47 *** roboboy [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:58:55 *** Matex [n=spoon@203.220.47.90] has quit [] 05:00:18 <BurningFeetMan> *waits for Open TTD Help Strike Force Elite* 05:03:00 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-214-37.pth-as7.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:03:44 <BurningFeetMan> *crieS* 05:03:44 <mikk36> could anyone tell me were my keys are ? 05:04:08 <mikk36> i had them yesterday, but now i can't remember where they are 05:08:13 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-209-214.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! It was you wasn't it!?"] 05:13:25 <BurningFeetMan> In your right pocket from your pants of yesterday. Check the floor in your bedroom... possibly the washing room. 05:15:24 <mikk36> not in my pants pockets, i'm wearing them atm... not on my room's floor... not in the washing room... not in the car 05:15:37 <mikk36> fuck... 05:17:12 <mikk36> and i only put them in my left pocket anyway because i have mobile in the right one 05:17:45 <mikk36> the worst thing is that the last time i remember the keys is when i went to drive to the city yesterday 05:17:52 <mikk36> after that: nothing 05:18:06 <TheMask96> did you drive back? 05:18:20 <mikk36> yes 05:18:34 <mikk36> went to pick up my new hdd, then to groceries and then to home 05:18:47 <BurningFeetMan> MAxtor 300gig? 05:18:49 <TheMask96> and you used your keys to get into the house? 05:18:56 <mikk36> no, didn't have to, TheMask96 05:18:59 <BurningFeetMan> Oh, check the door! 05:19:08 <BurningFeetMan> Your hands might have been full, and you could have left them in there. 05:19:33 <BurningFeetMan> OR, you would have left them in the kitchen with the groceries. 05:19:39 <mikk36> i wen't to shop with my stepfather, he was carrying the bag 05:20:04 <mikk36> door is clear.. i went to check the car 30 minutes ago 05:20:11 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:20:23 <mikk36> i'll check out the empty bag 05:21:26 <BurningFeetMan> They might be under something REAL small, like a shopping receipt, or an empty bag, or under a hat, or the keyboard... where you glanced and they weren't there, but they actually are. 05:21:29 <mikk36> nothing... 05:21:49 <mikk36> keyboard - not 05:21:56 <mikk36> empty bag used yesterday - not 05:21:59 <mikk36> hat - don't use 05:22:10 <mikk36> receipt - in my wallet 05:22:28 <TheMask96> go and sit in a chear... close your eyes... relax... and go step by step in your mind to al the things you did yesterday, and you will know where you left them 05:23:24 <mikk36> the only possibility that i can think of is that someone pickpocketed dumbly just my keys 05:23:31 <mikk36> when i was shopping 05:24:13 <TheMask96> yes could be... or they fell out of your pocket when you were standing on your head :) 05:24:23 <mikk36> didn't do that 05:24:50 <mikk36> damn it's like 8 years from last time i lost my keys 05:25:03 <mikk36> then i was a kid... 05:25:33 <TheMask96> but I think it's quite unlikely someone pickpockets some keys... cause usually they can't do anything with keys unless they know where to use them 05:25:39 <mikk36> uhm.. a sec.. got one place to look for 05:25:51 <mikk36> exactly, The-Moon 05:25:55 <mikk36> TheMask96* 05:26:01 <TheMask96> :) 05:26:37 <mikk36> damn, aren't there 05:27:43 <TheMask96> mikk36: I think it is time to get some spare keys... 05:28:24 <mikk36> well, shit with the keys.. but i had a nice Athlon64 keyholder with them 05:29:09 <TheMask96> if they aren't stolen, you're gonna find them eventually 05:29:34 <mikk36> i'll go and recheckthe car 05:29:39 <BurningFeetMan> Check your shoes. I sometimes put them in my shoes when I'm drunk 05:29:42 <TheMask96> good luck 05:32:31 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:33:17 <mikk36> wheuu... 05:33:22 <mikk36> they were in the car 05:33:29 <mikk36> what a relief... 05:33:43 <TheMask96> :) 05:34:06 <mikk36> damn.. they had slided way front so i didn't see them in the slot 05:34:17 <BurningFeetMan> LOZ 05:34:34 <mikk36> the one in the center console at the bottom 05:34:38 <BurningFeetMan> Who loses their keys in the car! Ha! Mine's always locked! 05:34:42 <mikk36> just under cigar lighter 05:35:22 <mikk36> te end of the slot is almost impossible to see from the front, have to bend ur head like crazy :P 05:37:14 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:38:32 <peter1138> slided, heh 05:38:46 <mikk36> well, yeah.. guess during some harder braking 05:38:57 <peter1138> good ol' english 05:39:08 <mikk36> wha? 05:43:03 <BurningFeetMan> HAY, what's english ever done to you. 05:45:02 <mikk36> 15:44, eh ? hehe... 7 hours ahead 05:45:05 <mikk36> :) 05:45:17 <BurningFeetMan> Almost home time ^_^ 05:45:35 <mikk36> like 1h15 left ? 05:45:38 <BurningFeetMan> Can't wait! But, tonight, I wanna figure out how to get all the cool nightly build mods up and running 05:45:50 <BurningFeetMan> Home at 16:30 ;) 05:45:55 <mikk36> heh :) 05:46:10 <BurningFeetMan> If I can't get them working, I might work more on a PC mod I'm doing 05:51:41 <mikk36> any worklog on that ? 05:52:20 <mikk36> or a sketch of what it might look in the end ? 05:53:31 <BurningFeetMan> Hmm, just the renders I've got up at the moment 05:53:41 <BurningFeetMan> But a sketch is a good idea 05:53:52 <BurningFeetMan> I think it might give me that little bit more direction that I need. 05:55:25 <BurningFeetMan> Anywho, time to finish up here. Chat later! 05:55:28 *** BurningFeetMan [n=BurningF@CPE-203-51-109-69.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #openttd [] 06:05:44 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has quit ["The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him"] 06:05:49 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 06:07:09 <mikk36> wee.. a much better ping now :) 06:07:18 <mikk36> automatically chose an italian server 06:07:23 <mikk36> manually now chose a finnish 06:07:33 <mikk36> but still pretty high 06:07:36 <mikk36> strangely 06:07:43 <mikk36> good ping would be 30-40 06:07:50 <mikk36> but it's like 70-150 06:08:10 <TheMask96> not so good 06:08:16 <mikk36> ping to a local ircd is 15-20ms 06:08:27 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 06:08:40 <mikk36> network lag itself is 8ms 06:08:58 <mikk36> home -> city net 06:09:12 <mikk36> city net is like max 1ms in the whole range 06:09:21 <mikk36> fibre everywhere 06:10:09 *** ammler [n=marcel@zux181-026.adsl.green.ch] has joined #openttd 06:10:10 <mikk36> city net = where different ISP's meet 06:10:34 <TheMask96> maybe finland is partly disconnected from the rest of the world :) 06:10:50 <mikk36> lol.. we got several fibre lines to finland 06:10:57 <mikk36> and finland has a very good connection to the world 06:11:03 <mikk36> as do we 06:11:28 <mikk36> uhm.. the capacity should be like 100-200 Gbps 06:11:31 <TheMask96> well it can happen that on some occasions some network has some problems 06:11:46 <TheMask96> but where are you from then? 06:11:50 <mikk36> estonia 06:12:06 <TheMask96> ok.. doesn't estonia have its own irc servers? 06:12:16 <mikk36> not for freenode 06:12:24 <mikk36> our own biggest is ircworld 06:12:24 <TheMask96> ah ok 06:12:36 <mikk36> to which i have a 15-20 ping 06:12:45 <mikk36> in irc 06:12:52 <mikk36> i'll test ping to machine itself 06:13:04 <mikk36> 8-9 ms 06:13:09 <TheMask96> hmm weird 06:13:26 <mikk36> Ping statistics for 195.222.5.209: 06:13:26 <mikk36> Packets: Sent = 14, Received = 14, Lost = 0 (0% loss), 06:13:26 <mikk36> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: 06:13:26 <mikk36> Minimum = 7ms, Maximum = 12ms, Average = 8ms 06:14:13 <mikk36> that's ove cable.. few have such a good latency though.. usual adsl latency is about 20-30ms :P 06:14:16 <mikk36> over* 06:14:24 <mikk36> i just live in a good spot :) 06:15:05 <TheMask96> nice :) 06:15:47 <mikk36> hehe.. will leave soon to replace my servers hdd 06:15:51 <mikk36> 6GB -> 120GB 06:16:05 <TheMask96> 6gb? damn.. thats small... 06:16:08 <mikk36> yeah :P 06:16:16 <mikk36> but got it for free :P 06:16:26 <mikk36> the windows itself sits on a 10GB one :P 06:17:46 <mikk36> server 2003 enterprise edit for free :P 06:17:52 <mikk36> edition* 06:17:57 <TheMask96> nice 06:19:18 <mikk36> have had it for like 1 month now 06:19:30 <mikk36> still getting to know all of its controls :P 06:19:46 <mikk36> haven't still refound one place i once found :P 06:20:06 <TheMask96> ghehe, windows server is quite hard to find stuff 06:20:43 <mikk36> windows server ? 06:20:57 <mikk36> err, what do u mean ? 06:21:01 <TheMask96> on windows server 2003 I meant :) 06:21:05 <mikk36> oh, ok 06:21:19 <mikk36> well.. help is pretty useful :) 06:21:34 <mikk36> gives better results than google :P 06:22:23 <TheMask96> Almost all servers I have access to run on linux, cause it is easier to maintain I think 06:22:34 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:23:29 <mikk36> it's not a problem though :) 06:23:32 <mikk36> so far so good 06:23:33 <mikk36> ok 06:23:35 <mikk36> gotta go now 06:23:37 <mikk36> :) 06:23:39 <mikk36> bye... 06:23:43 <TheMask96> bye 06:29:58 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 06:34:15 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:37:15 <CIA-3> miham * r5533 /trunk/lang/slovak.txt: 06:37:15 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-21 08:36:55 06:37:15 <CIA-3> slovak - 17 changed by lengyel (17) 06:37:15 *** roboboy [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:40:34 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit ["So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish"] 06:53:01 *** roboboy [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:13:14 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:32:34 <Celestar> did DV say when he'll return? 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Instead of 3 copies, it now has 1 main, and 3 callback-filters (untested on Win32 / OS2. Please let me know if it fails / works) 08:27:36 <CIA-3> -Fix: move heightmaps to scenario/heightmap 08:27:36 <CIA-3> -Fix: give heightmap their own path 08:27:38 <CIA-3> -Fix: don't show dirs in the scenario list for newgames (came with it for free ;)) 08:27:40 <CIA-3> -Todo: rewrite the total mess all Fios code became. Unify is the word! 08:30:00 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 08:31:06 *** Rubidium [n=rubidium@5353D1BF.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:38:52 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:45:48 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:51:54 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 08:57:39 *** BurningFeetMan [n=BurningF@CPE-60-227-109-191.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:58:18 <BurningFeetMan> Anyone around for a couple of questions? 08:59:48 <CIA-3> truelight * r5535 /branches/TGP/ (9 files): 08:59:48 <CIA-3> -Codechange: dont use // on #endif, rather /* */ 08:59:48 <CIA-3> -Codechange: avoid #else where possible (even more when it is this easy to do so ;)) 08:59:48 <CIA-3> -Codechange: outline lines like the ones above (use spaces where others used spaces) 08:59:56 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 09:06:03 <BurningFeetMan> Anyone? :( 09:07:02 <eQualizer> Yes? 09:07:04 <CIA-3> truelight * r5536 /branches/TGP/TODO.TGP: -Add: added a small TODO about things I think needs to be done. Feel free to modify 09:09:10 <BurningFeetMan> Hey eQualizer 09:09:15 <eQualizer> Yes? 09:09:21 <BurningFeetMan> Downloaded a nightly build for the first time 09:09:26 <BurningFeetMan> Installed it... and runs ok... 09:09:38 <BurningFeetMan> But can't... see a difference in the game compared to 0.4.7? 09:09:55 <BurningFeetMan> The nightly build is definately running. 09:10:08 <eQualizer> There should be erails? 09:10:17 <BurningFeetMan> Yes, erails are there... 09:10:26 <eQualizer> So? There's a difference for yo? 09:10:27 <eQualizer> you* 09:10:29 <BurningFeetMan> But I thought there were many other mods in it too? Do they have to be activated? 09:10:38 <BurningFeetMan> Or downloaded sperately? 09:10:56 <eQualizer> No, I don't think so. Have you checked is there any new patches? 09:10:57 <hylje> if you want mods, use the branches/MiniIN branch 09:11:40 <BurningFeetMan> Ahh, the miniIN 09:12:00 <BurningFeetMan> I think that's what I'm after... I thought this was in the night builds. I'm guessing it's a seperate download? 09:12:17 <hylje> kind of, i dont think theres precompiled versions of it tho 09:12:49 <BurningFeetMan> I've been reading about fun looking mods, like City Cost mods, and Power plant output mods... 09:12:58 <BurningFeetMan> Just wondering how to get them up and running, that's all 09:13:07 <hylje> yeh power plants are found in miniin 09:13:19 <Rubidium> hylie, you're wrong: http://nightly.openttd.org/MiniIN/files/ 09:13:33 <hylje> Rubidium: nice 09:13:53 <hylje> Rubidium: i always compiled my own so i havent needed to use that like ever 09:14:28 <BurningFeetMan> Rubidium, I've opened your link... I will download the windows version now. Is the install very straight forward? 09:15:00 <Rubidium> I haven't needed it either (though I know that it's compiled by the nightly server a few times a week, i.e. not daily) 09:15:27 <BurningFeetMan> It looks like I just over write the old files with the MiniIN ones? 09:15:45 <Rubidium> you can do that 09:15:56 <hylje> or copy the old dir first 09:15:59 <BurningFeetMan> Done... Looks like it's up! :D 09:16:04 <BurningFeetMan> Yes, I backed up the old one 09:16:13 <BurningFeetMan> OpenTTD r5530 - MiniIN 09:16:18 <BurningFeetMan> Thank you heaps !!! 09:16:32 <BurningFeetMan> http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/42142/Guitar_Tapping.html 09:16:40 <BurningFeetMan> An awesome link for your efforts :D 09:16:57 <BurningFeetMan> (check it out, awesome acoustic guitar tapping!) 09:17:24 <hylje> wow 09:21:01 <eQualizer> He should buy a kantele for that purpose. It's played pretty much the same way. 09:23:06 <BurningFeetMan> I think he's fantastic! 09:23:23 <BurningFeetMan> Kk, r5530 MiniIn server up now... gonna suss things out :D 09:23:45 <BurningFeetMan> Oh Wow! Landscape is awesome! 09:23:56 <CIA-3> truelight * r5537 /branches/TGP/ (landscape.c tgp.c tgp.h): 09:23:56 <CIA-3> -Codechange: change the logic in landscape.c 09:23:56 <CIA-3> -Fix: don't messure time in a normal compile (waste of CPU) 09:23:56 <CIA-3> -Codechange: minor other stuff 09:25:32 <BurningFeetMan> Hmm, can't click the town names? 09:25:49 <hylje> you should 09:26:16 <BurningFeetMan> They're not there... 09:26:26 <BurningFeetMan> Towns are there, but no town names. Although town listing is up 09:27:18 <BurningFeetMan> ;) 09:27:21 <BurningFeetMan> Found it 09:27:36 <BurningFeetMan> This is too awesome. Great job OpenTTD community! 09:27:51 <hylje> yw 09:28:38 <BurningFeetMan> woot! There's the electricity mod! :D 09:28:44 <RichK67_wrk> ty :) 09:31:07 <Rubidium> RichK67_wrk: I've tried to merge the TGP branch with MiniIN and I think it's gone well (no compile errors/warning and I cannot create any strange behaviour) - It now even works if PNG is disabled :) 09:31:33 <RichK67_wrk> disabled at compile time? 09:31:39 <Rubidium> yup 09:31:55 <RichK67_wrk> hmm... 09:32:29 <Rubidium> It even removes the 'load png' buttons 09:32:41 <Rubidium> http://mickysoft.nl/openttd/tgp-branch-to-miniin.diff 09:32:44 <RichK67_wrk> i just saw truelight's commit removing the conditionals.... unless he's done something wizzo, its gonna be a problem 09:33:25 <Rubidium> he did not remove anything important (and I've updated the patch after TL's changes) 09:33:47 <RichK67_wrk> ok 09:33:50 <Rubidium> just changed // bla -> /* bla */, nothing spectacular 09:34:26 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:35:07 <BurningFeetMan> oh crap! A signal option! I was ready for that one! What to use! What to use! ^_^ 09:39:04 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC5B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:40:46 <Rubidium> RichK67_wrk: oh, and not to forget, I enabled setting the snowline for temperate too 09:41:27 <RichK67_wrk> yeah; the one MiniIN feature TGP affects :) 09:42:25 <Rubidium> though I have to go now; will be back in about 6 hours I hope 09:42:27 <RichK67_wrk> im happy for you to commit to MiniIN branch with that 09:42:41 <RichK67_wrk> i cant compile/test here at work 09:43:47 <Rubidium> I think it needs some very basic testing, due to some (small) code changes and I do not want the revision number to end up in more commit messages (-Fix r....) :) 09:45:30 <Rubidium> so, if you can test it (properly) tonight (or somebody else), you should delay the commit a while 09:45:34 <RichK67_wrk> ok... eta? I would like to have this in before my weekend additions... any chance of tonite? 09:45:45 <Rubidium> that is OK 09:46:30 <Rubidium> but, I have to go now (maybe you can find some people who want to test it for you :)) 09:46:35 <Rubidium> 'see' you later 09:46:37 <RichK67_wrk> with the effort TL is putting in, i think TGP will be ready soon :) 09:49:53 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC5B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:51:10 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC5B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:56:42 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B825AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd ["icebears... take care of them!"] 09:57:33 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B825AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:01:09 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:02:24 <roboboy> can i make a suggestion, for the gfx replacement try asking pikkabird if you can use his 3d planes hes making for ttdp that will get scalled down 10:06:22 <CIA-3> truelight * r5538 /branches/TGP/ (12 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 10:06:22 <CIA-3> -Codechange: updated some code to make it a bit more pretty and according to OpenTTD-codestyle (why wasn't it that in the first place?) 10:06:22 <CIA-3> -Codechange: don't say ShowGenerateLandscape is in main_gui if it is in tgp_gui 10:06:22 <CIA-3> -Codechange: don't change silly things from trunk to TPG (keep the diff small :)) 10:06:22 <CIA-3> -Codechange: don't make useless comments 10:06:24 <CIA-3> -Codechange: breaking a for-loop we do with 'break'. Not with: i = max + 1 :s 10:06:26 <CIA-3> -Fix: RandomSeed popup didn't work because _rename_what was set wrong 10:09:49 *** TrueLight [n=trueligh@truelight.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:09:59 *** TrueLight [n=trueligh@truelight.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 10:11:10 <CIA-3> truelight * r5539 /branches/TGP/ (main_gui.c tgp_gui.c): -Codechange: don't make things from static to global when there isn't really need to do so 10:15:42 <CIA-3> truelight * r5540 /branches/TGP/ (main_gui.c tgp_gui.c): -Fix: update the windows after you entered a RandomSeed manual 10:26:25 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:33:57 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:34:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 10:44:30 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:47:52 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:09:11 <Celestar> :o 11:10:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> and here i was thinking that TL was retired :) 11:11:19 *** moebius_ [n=moebius@213.60.238.240] has joined #openttd 11:11:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> <CIA-3> -Codechange: breaking a for-loop we do with 'break'. Not with: i = max + 1 :s <- that one is genious ;) 11:12:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> in "real" programming languages, that shouldn't even be possible ;) 11:12:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> (modifying the loop index) 11:13:49 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B825AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:20:12 *** SpComb [i=terom@194.197.235.145] has joined #openttd 11:24:23 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 11:42:12 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B825AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Even the cat is lying down near the heater, warming itself."] 11:42:12 *** BurningFeetMan [n=BurningF@CPE-60-227-109-191.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.69.3 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]"] 11:42:12 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B825AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:42:25 <RichK67_wrk> Eddi|zuHause2: i was having a bad day, ok ;) 11:42:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> :) 11:43:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> really, it IS genious, i would have never thought of that :) 11:44:34 <CIA-3> truelight * r5541 /branches/TGP/tree_cmd.c: -Fix: fixed the new tree-placement function. I hope it is more readable now 11:49:23 <RichK67_wrk> didnt think of break ;) 11:49:34 <RichK67_wrk> (i was a newbie at the time) 11:52:12 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:58:38 *** Netsplit brown.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Morlark, Gussoh 11:58:56 <CIA-3> truelight * r5542 /branches/TGP/TODO.TGP: -Fix: last commit cleans up a TODO. 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Use it over an extern. 14:06:08 <TrueLight> -Fix: remove debug-stuff which is overkill 14:06:08 <TrueLight> -Codechange: simplify some code 14:06:08 <TrueLight> -Revert: reverted some changes to still be able to use OpenTTD without TG enabled 14:06:10 <TrueLight> -Fix: if you now disable TG, you get the old map-generator back (I hope anyway ;)) 14:06:12 <TrueLight> -Fix: give a new seed when server starts a newmap and via console 'newgame' 14:06:14 <TrueLight> -Fix: heightmap have their own 'path' 14:06:16 <TrueLight> there you go :p 14:06:16 <coppercore> This Program Cannot Be Run In Dos Mode. 14:06:43 <TrueLight> glx: the problem once again is a debian channel 14:06:48 <TrueLight> CIA-3 is hanging in a loop 14:07:00 <coppercore> poor guy 14:07:06 <TrueLight> it cna't handle the redirect 14:07:16 <coppercore> and you cnat speel ;p 14:07:33 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueLight] by ChanServ 14:07:33 <TrueLight> We can try this 14:07:38 <coppercore> :o 14:07:41 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:07:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 14:07:43 *** CIA-3 was kicked from #openttd by TrueLight [TrueLight] 14:07:47 <TrueLight> sometimes helps 14:07:50 <coppercore> ABOOOSE 14:07:51 <coppercore> oh wait 14:07:52 <TrueLight> nope :p 14:07:53 <coppercore> not me... whew 14:08:00 *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueLight] by TrueLight 14:08:00 <Bjarni> hi people 14:08:09 <glx> last time it took 2 days for cia to com back 14:08:20 <Bjarni> LAG 14:08:20 <coppercore> invite him? 14:08:24 <coppercore> or will that make it worse? 14:08:29 <coppercore> oh and hi 14:08:48 <Bjarni> I don't think it will actually do anything to the bot if you invite it 14:09:22 <TrueLight> glx: asked the CIA guys 14:09:31 <TrueLight> glx: yeah, 2 days he away, or 2 days not responding, who cares :p 14:09:45 <coppercore> 2 days brain dead? 14:09:55 <TrueLight> I was hoping we got CIA-17 assigned to us 14:10:00 <TrueLight> but it decided it doesn't want to do that :p 14:10:09 <Bjarni> why 17? 14:10:15 <TrueLight> Because it has free slots 14:10:18 <TrueLight> anyway, it will be back 14:10:20 *** TrueLight [n=trueligh@truelight.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 14:11:29 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:11:39 <Sacro> hmm, ive noticed a wiki problem 14:12:01 <Bjarni> Sacro: maybe it's written in ASM :P 14:12:05 <coppercore> there are 18 cia bots 14:12:15 <Sacro> Bjarni: hehe, a whole wiki in asm would be cool 14:12:34 *** joed_ [n=James@CPE-124-180-203-160.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:12:51 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 14:12:51 <Sacro> !logs 14:14:14 * SpComb notes that they work again 14:14:25 <Sacro> i wanted stats :) but you cant get that 14:14:48 * Sacro is trying to use more actions than peter1138 14:15:09 <Bjarni> !stats 14:15:18 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 14:15:20 <Sacro> http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd/stats 14:17:06 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E993.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:18:53 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Au reviour!"] 14:19:00 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 14:19:13 <Bjarni> DarkSSH is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 31 times. 14:19:13 <Bjarni> For example, like this: 14:19:13 <Bjarni> * Darkvater slaps himself 14:19:15 <Bjarni> haha 14:19:30 <coppercore> !stats 14:19:43 <Bjarni> CIA-3 seems to be sad at the moment: 22.7% lines contained sad faces. :( 14:19:43 <Bjarni> CIA-5 is also a sad person, crying 21.7% of the time. 14:19:45 <Bjarni> even better 14:20:34 <Bjarni> Bjarni's faithful follower, Celestar, didn't speak so much: 81185 words. <-- I knew it 14:20:47 <coppercore> It seems that coppercore_'s shift-key is hanging: 8.3% of the time he/she wrote UPPERCASE. 14:20:49 <coppercore> For example, like this: 14:20:49 <coppercore> <coppercore> EVERYONE 14:20:49 <coppercore> lol 14:20:51 <Bjarni> you are all my faithful followers :) 14:21:09 * Sacro gives the most actions :P (soon anyway) 14:22:54 <coppercore> LET ME MAKE SURE I KEEP MY ONLY RECORD 14:22:56 <coppercore> ERR 14:22:58 <coppercore> hi 14:23:31 <coppercore> but why does it say coppercore_ ? 14:24:07 <Sacro> ooh, someones mentioned Pipelines in the forums 14:24:16 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:24:20 <Sacro> there building the worlds longest one right near here, goes all the way to denmark 14:24:30 <Bjarni> ? 14:24:49 <Bjarni> ohh, real life oil pipelines 14:25:04 <Sacro> Bjarni: yes, real life :P 14:25:22 <Sacro> hmm, i wonder if i got my moped out, i could ride down it out the country 14:26:48 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E993.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:26:52 <Bjarni> you want to travel though the tube? 14:27:16 *** joed_ [n=James@CPE-124-180-203-160.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Client exiting"] 14:28:14 <Sacro> well, it should be possible before they start piping gas through 14:28:41 <Bjarni> that's it 14:28:46 <Bjarni> you are a pig 14:28:52 <Bjarni> now we got proof of that 14:29:01 <Sacro> whats that supposed to mean? 14:30:07 <Bjarni> ... 14:30:30 <Bjarni> they use mechanical pigs to clean the inside of pipelines 14:30:48 <Bjarni> nothing else enters them (apart from the oil) 14:31:06 <Sacro> id be happy to do that, its a job 14:31:19 <RichK67_wrk> unless your name is Bond :) 14:32:49 <Bjarni> "hi, my name is Bond. Sacro Bond" 14:32:55 <Bjarni> now that sounds so wrong 14:38:40 <RichK67_wrk> bjarni - are you able to make a thread sticky? 14:39:12 <Bjarni> hopefully all men are, but that's a gross approach 14:39:49 <RichK67_wrk> in the forums :-P 14:41:34 <Bjarni> at one time, I made a thread sticky and nobody read it. After I unstickied it because I felt it was out of date, then people started to read it and it got a whole lot of replies 14:42:04 <RichK67_wrk> its for "MiniIN Problems" in the problems forum 14:42:36 <Bjarni> done 14:42:53 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:43:20 <RichK67_wrk> great... there is another one to come in a mo... MiniIN ToDo in the Suggestions... its getting impossible to track all the updates to patches in the main thread 14:43:47 <Sacro> MiniIN could do wiht its own forum 14:43:59 <RichK67_wrk> nah... overkill 14:44:12 <Bjarni> then we should do it 14:44:45 * Sacro overkills Bjarni 14:46:46 <Bjarni> <RichK67_wrk> great... there is another one to come in a mo... MiniIN ToDo in the Suggestions... its getting impossible to track all the updates to patches in the main thread <-- I can't find it 14:47:18 <RichK67_wrk> just writing it ;) 14:47:33 <Bjarni> hey, you are doing this in the wrong order 14:47:44 <Bjarni> don't ask me to sticky it before it's written 14:49:27 <Zavior> Just give it a new subforum 14:51:49 <RichK67_wrk> ok, its there... 14:52:23 <RichK67_wrk> Bjarni: i didnt ask before its written.... "[15:43] RichK67_wrk: great... there is another one to come in a mo..." <-- pretty clear :) 14:52:55 <Sacro> yeah, a MiniIN subforum would be perfect 14:53:31 <RichK67_wrk> nope.. i think that would be less helpful... it would spawn more places to look 14:53:43 <RichK67_wrk> i would have to keep tabs on all threads 14:54:08 <RichK67_wrk> with this its just 3; one discussion, one for bugs, one for new stuff 14:55:50 <Bjarni> actually not, because to me MO is http://www.museumstog.dk/materiel/mo1954.jpg 14:56:07 <Bjarni> lazy bastard, who violates his own language 14:59:42 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:00:22 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-211-214.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:01:04 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-211-214.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:04:21 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-214-18.pth-as7.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:29 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has quit ["The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him"] 15:08:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate my connection... 15:08:14 <Eddi|zuHause> ping statistics --- 15:08:14 <Eddi|zuHause> 11 packets transmitted, 9 received, 18% packet loss, time 10961ms 15:08:14 <Eddi|zuHause> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1335.195/1726.578/1919.353/175.033 ms, pipe 2 15:08:26 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:09:27 <Brianetta> Who provides that? 15:09:38 <Eddi|zuHause> german telekom 15:10:49 <Brianetta> Deuthsche Telekom? They're part of T-Mobile 15:10:50 *** roboboy [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:10:56 <Brianetta> Deutsche, even 15:12:44 <Brianetta> Or T-Mobile is part of them... 15:13:36 <Brianetta> http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/ 15:13:40 <Brianetta> Spot the difference (: 15:13:46 <Brianetta> That's all they do in the UK so far 15:14:04 <Brianetta> My mobile phone provider uses their network 15:14:54 <RichK67_wrk> bloody useless network too 15:15:09 <Brianetta> Virgin isn't useless 15:15:13 <Brianetta> Same physical net 15:15:17 <Brianetta> Much better service 15:15:18 <RichK67_wrk> i used to be on orange, but switched... as soon as my contract is up, im going straight back 15:15:30 <RichK67_wrk> i cant even get a t-mobile signal inside my house 15:15:37 <Brianetta> ooh 15:15:42 <Brianetta> That's got to be a local problem, thogh 15:15:52 <publunch> T Mobile needs Jan Ullrich! 15:15:59 <RichK67_wrk> so i have my phone on me 24x7, but dont get any messages until 20ft into my garden :( 15:16:25 <Bjarni> get a bigger antenna 15:16:39 <RichK67_wrk> T-Mobile needs jet booster packs to catch Landis ;) 15:16:40 <Bjarni> also why not use a regular phone at home? 15:16:50 <RichK67_wrk> work phone 15:17:00 <Brianetta> I use my mobile rather than my land-phone 15:17:00 <Bjarni> clever 15:17:09 <Bjarni> work phone can't reach the home office 15:17:13 <Brianetta> It's cheaper, and I can take it from room to room - or even out with me 15:17:15 <Brianetta> without hanging up 15:17:48 <Brianetta> Also, it means people only need to know one number 15:17:54 <RichK67_wrk> yup; i use mine to recieve work requests wherever i am; no idea how many deals ive lost since switching... and the battery is crap 15:18:16 <Brianetta> The battery can't be T-Mobile's fault? 15:18:20 <RichK67_wrk> i use a smart divert service on the home-office landline, that reroutes to the mobile 15:18:43 <RichK67_wrk> so they ring my homeoffice land number, and i get the call on my mobile 15:19:10 <Bjarni> <RichK67_wrk>... and the battery is crap <-- low voltage can result in problems reaching the network, so that could be your problem 15:19:35 <RichK67_wrk> smart thing is i can redirect the call remotely, so if ive forgotten to switch it on, i can do from wherever i am 15:20:14 <RichK67_wrk> yeah, but i have been used to getting 8-10 days life from my old phone; new one 1-2 days :( 15:20:41 <RichK67_wrk> changing phone first moment i can 15:21:00 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:21:29 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:14 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:04 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-214-18.pth-as7.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 15:33:44 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 15:34:36 *** lws1984 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how interactive random gets a bias depending on timing of users action 16:22:20 <RichK67_wrk> so it becomes less predictable 16:22:37 <RichK67_wrk> i think 16:22:40 <RichK67_wrk> maybe 16:22:48 <RichK67_wrk> (guessing) 16:24:38 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81F14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:25:01 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 16:26:44 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has quit [Client Quit] 16:29:55 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 16:30:52 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81F14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 16:31:42 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:34:34 *** SpComb [i=terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 16:34:37 *** Belugas_Gone [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 16:34:38 *** kjetil [i=kjetil@81.166.7.161] has joined #openttd 16:34:39 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@212.187.18.41] has joined #openttd 16:34:39 *** anboni 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project_title in /www/openttd.org/bugs/scripts/modify.php on line 607 17:04:08 <OwenS> Notice: Undefined index: flyspray_userid in /www/openttd.org/bugs/includes/notify.inc.php on line 264 17:04:12 <OwenS> Registering an account 17:04:29 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #openttd 17:05:17 <glx> MiHaMiX: ping 17:06:20 *** Triffid_Hunter [n=Splat@funkmunch.net] has joined #openttd 17:06:36 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has quit ["The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him"] 17:08:22 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:11:04 <OwenS> How does one comment on a bug? 17:13:22 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 17:16:29 *** akausal [i=mmbeck@home.akausal.de] has joined #OpenTTD 17:16:35 <akausal> hi 17:18:27 <akausal> is it known that Oil Refineries don't produce goods in 0.4.8-RC1? 17:18:40 <Belugas> yes indeed. 17:18:54 <Belugas> all secondary industries, IIRC 17:20:11 <CIA-5> truelight * r5550 /branches/TGP/ (9 files): 17:20:11 <CIA-5> -Fix: HeightMaps import no longer depends on TG 17:20:11 <CIA-5> -Codechange: removed a global to indicate a PNG load. Now you can pass such things via other ways. Much cleaner I think. 17:20:36 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@217.96.81.82] has left #openttd [] 17:21:20 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@212.69.52.183] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:23:21 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@80.251.195.1] has joined #openttd 17:23:23 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-211-214.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:25:53 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:25:59 <akausal> Belugas: and no RC2 with that bug fixed in sight? 17:26:05 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:26:11 <Sacro> ahh freenode is back 17:26:26 <Belugas> it will be out soon, but please, don'ty ask when ;) 17:26:45 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 17:26:46 <Belugas> as i cannot answer 17:27:58 <CIA-5> truelight * r5551 /branches/TGP/network_gui.c: -Fix: present the TGP dialog for servers too, on newgame 17:29:07 <Sacro> :o a working CIA bot 17:30:00 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has quit ["The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him"] 17:30:02 <Wolf01> [19:26:21] <Sacro> ahh freenode is back <- oh no, sacro is back XD 17:32:27 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 17:32:39 <Sacro> Wolf01: noooooooo im not here :) 17:33:01 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 17:34:49 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-209-214.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:39 <OwenS> Since I can't work out how to, can someone ammend FS#250 with that it appears to be related to passengers, prehaps more specifcalyy Toronto Station, but Platform types don't appear to be the cause 17:37:58 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37242.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:03 <CIA-5> truelight * r5552 /branches/TGP/ (Makefile heightmap.c tgp.c): 17:39:03 <CIA-5> -Codechange: split heightmap code to heightmap.c, as it has nothing to do with TG 17:39:03 <CIA-5> (Can someone upgrade one or all project files?) 17:39:59 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@80.251.195.2] has joined #openttd 17:40:38 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@212.187.18.41] has quit ["It's a new quit message!"] 17:41:28 <CIA-5> truelight * r5553 /branches/TGP/heightmap.c: -Fix: of course I forgot the keywords and eol-style 17:41:47 *** _Red is now known as Red 17:42:18 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:43:19 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 17:44:42 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@80.251.195.2] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 17:50:13 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:54:17 *** ammler [n=marcel@zux181-026.adsl.green.ch] has joined #openttd 17:55:28 *** ammler is now known as ammler|work 17:56:26 *** ammler|work is now known as ammler 17:59:28 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:01:59 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@80.251.195.1] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:04:07 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 18:04:08 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has left #openttd [] 18:06:13 <Born_Acorn> (17:44:56) <TrueLight> I have my own IRC network, let's move there :) 18:06:16 <Born_Acorn> Agreed. :p 18:09:46 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-211-214.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [] 18:09:46 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-211-214.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:14:19 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 18:22:10 <Wolf01> days_in_transit is in day_ticks or in "real" days? 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To avoid that, raise the numbers for all generators, because 19:08:32 <CIA-5> others wouldn't even notice it ;) 19:09:15 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:09:34 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 19:11:02 *** mikk36[EST] [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:12:33 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 19:12:42 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 19:14:41 <Sacro> Belugas: wb :) 19:14:46 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:17:15 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5556 /branches/TGP/ (landscape.c os2.c tgp_gui.c unix.c win32.c): [TGP] -Fix: compilation without PNG support 19:17:43 <Wolf01> somebody can tell me if i'm wrong? patches settings are saved in the savegame, if i use S the patch setting is not saved and is not synched in multiplayer, if i use NS the setting is not saved but synched in mp, if i use C the patch is not saved on the .cfg 19:19:09 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:21:13 <Rubidium> Wolf01: maybe use 0 instead of C, N, NS or S (but I've got no experience with settings.c) 19:24:01 <Wolf01> the problem is that the setting i use has to be server-side but not saved in savegames to not break compatibility (NS), in single player when i set it in the game is not saved and when i reload the savegame the setting is disabled (is boolean) 19:24:04 *** Pixelz [i=pix@pix.pp.se] has quit ["Disconnecting from stoned server."] 19:24:48 *** Pixelz [i=pix@pix.pp.se] has joined #openttd 19:27:07 <CIA-5> belugas * r5557 /branches/TGP/ (openttd.vcproj openttd_vs80.vcproj): [TGP] - Add heightmap.c to both MS VC project files 19:28:17 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:29:57 <CIA-5> truelight * r5558 /branches/TGP/industry_cmd.c: -Fix: merged r5554 and r5555 to one version (tnx Rubidium :)) 19:32:58 <CIA-5> truelight * r5559 /branches/TGP/heightmap.c: 19:32:58 <CIA-5> -Codechange: cleaned up heightmap (codestyle, variable cleaning, don't say the obvious, ...) 19:32:58 <CIA-5> -Add: add a compile-time switch to load the heightmap [counter]clockwise 19:32:58 <CIA-5> By default clockwise is active, because I like that more :) 19:32:58 <CIA-5> -Fix: some speedups (use power of 2 value for / and * operations) 19:32:58 <CIA-5> -Fix: some things should assert instead of debug warning 19:33:02 <CIA-5> -Note: VERY well written piece of code, tnx all who worked on it!! 19:33:03 *** rain```` [i=rain@24.183.26.9] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:36:43 *** rain```` [i=rain@24-183-26-9.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 19:37:10 *** miChou [n=chatzill@86.105.57.163] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]"] 19:38:24 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 19:40:29 <Rubidium> RichK67: about merging TGP; I think it is not very wise to do at the moment as it is a very fast moving target 19:40:39 <Wolf01> hi RichK67 19:41:11 <hylje> you mean you can miss it? 19:41:29 <Sacro> noooooooooooo, merge TGP 19:41:33 <Rubidium> no, that when you do it now, you can redo half of it in about an hour 19:41:47 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88.107.53.180] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:42:02 <Belugas> yeah... TGP on steroids 19:42:24 <Rubidium> and 27 commits in 13.5 hours => 2 an hour 19:43:28 <RichK67> its ok; MiniIN has TGP, just not the latest gui; the only feature it is missing is the Use PNG Heightmap 19:43:43 <Belugas> and the day is not over yet.. 19:44:04 <Belugas> RichK67, a lot more then that has been done... 19:44:25 <Wolf01> RichK67, i have another little fix for the daylength 19:44:28 <RichK67> almost all else is cosmetic, or non-logic; ie. you wouldnt notice the difference in gameplay even though the guts has been reorganised 19:44:57 <RichK67> anyway... a little "happy weekend" present: 19:45:10 <CIA-5> richk * r5560 /branches/MiniIN/ (15 files in 4 dirs): 19:45:10 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [DriveThruStops]: Added drive thru bus & truck stops. 19:45:10 <CIA-5> Many thanks to mart3p for MiniIN version of patch. 19:45:44 <OwenS> Has someone had a look at FS#250? 19:46:39 <RichK67> [20:44] Belugas: RichK67, a lot more then that has been done... <-- yes, but its "silent" mostly; a user wouldnt notice the difference 19:46:52 <RichK67> and its all DAMN good :) 19:47:31 <Rubidium> OwenS, are you completely certain that (exactly) the same GRFs and openttd.cfgs are used by server and all clients 19:48:13 <OwenS> Yep 19:48:18 <OwenS> It's a standardized set 19:48:27 <Rubidium> and is there a difference in architecture of the computer? mac vs windows/linux? 19:48:39 <Sacro> RichK67: yay :D thats a good patch 19:48:40 <OwenS> Windows and Linux both involved; However both platforms disconnect 19:48:56 <OwenS> (I'm Linux x86, server Linux x86 dedicated, others Win32x86) 19:49:56 <Rubidium> then I've got no clue :( 19:49:58 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@80.57.35.26] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:49:59 <OwenS> We have suspicions it's related to usstatsw.grf however 19:50:26 <OwenS> Ammler said he only started desyncing after he first built that 19:50:32 <OwenS> We will find out in a minuite :) 19:51:07 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:51:13 <RichK67> ive heard "desync" reports about usstatsw.grf on brianetta's server too 19:51:35 <Rubidium> if you can isolate a single grf or at least an as small as possible list of grfs that would be best 19:54:38 <RichK67> Belugas: awesome... just reviewed todays changes to TGP branch... awesome :) 19:55:11 <RichK67> its getting to the point the commit will be "idea by RichK67" ;) 19:55:13 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@0x5735f79d.abnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:01:05 *** ammler [n=marcel@zux181-026.adsl.green.ch] has left #openttd [] 20:02:02 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:04:15 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-209-47.pth-as2.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:05:08 <CIA-5> truelight * r5561 /branches/TGP/industry_cmd.c: -Fix: r5558 used the wrong tile (tnx glx!!) 20:06:14 <RichK67> wow... i love this :) jet powered TGP... :) 20:08:21 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp15-194.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:08:35 <CIA-5> richk * r5562 /branches/MiniIN/economy.c: 20:08:35 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [Daylength]: Fix. (again ;) Profit on delivered goods is no longer affected by daylength. Daylength is already accounted for in income and running costs. 20:08:35 <CIA-5> Thanks to Wolf01 for spot and fix. 20:08:55 <hylje> say when you're done with MiniIN :b 20:09:05 <hylje> i dont want to checkout all teh time 20:09:31 <RichK67> hmm... okies... i think ill go sort out lighthouses and transmitters ;) 20:09:45 <RichK67> MiniIN clear for a few hours 20:09:49 <Rubidium> then check out at the moment the nightly is going to be built 20:10:05 <hylje> oh great, yet another full recompile :) 20:10:39 <RichK67> ah... hold it... there is a compile warning that needs squashing 20:10:54 <hylje> yes 20:10:58 <hylje> was about to let you know 20:11:06 <hylje> compile before commit, pff 20:12:33 <RichK67> i did... but i missed the error float past... blind you know ;) 20:16:45 <CIA-5> truelight * r5563 /branches/TGP/ (13 files in 2 dirs): 20:16:45 <CIA-5> -Codechange: changed most WITH_PNG to WITH_HEIGHTMAP because someone might add 20:16:45 <CIA-5> an other image-format. Also declared some functions no matter if PNG is there 20:16:45 <CIA-5> or not, to avoid one big block of ifdefs, while this won't hurt anyone. 20:16:45 <CIA-5> By default, WITH_HEIGHTMAP is defined if WITH_PNG is defined. 20:16:59 <Rubidium> RichK67: there are loads of compile warnings in MiniIN 20:17:44 <hylje> ive compiled miniin myself quite often 20:17:46 <hylje> havent noted any 20:18:05 <Wolf01> i noticed some warnings on untranslated strings 20:18:06 <Eddi|zuHause> warnings are compiler dependent ;) 20:18:19 <hylje> Wolf01: those dont count 20:18:21 <hylje> Wolf01: heh 20:18:23 <Wolf01> :) 20:18:53 <RichK67> yeah, languages dont count, but my requirement is that there are no warnings on my MingW32 build 20:19:04 <RichK67> i cant legislate for others 20:19:06 <Wolf01> i noticed also that somebody fixed the "grep -- o" warning on compile 20:19:25 <OwenS> It most definitely appears to be usstatsw.grf 20:19:29 <OwenS> The game is now playable 20:19:39 <OwenS> You may want to ammend FS#250 20:19:39 <RichK67> yeah, it was a new grep feature... not all greps could do it 20:19:55 <glx> that's why TL replaced it with sed 20:20:00 <Sacro> whoooooooo, shiny bashrc 20:20:17 <OwenS> More specifically, it appears to be Toronto Union Station because other members of the set don't cause them 20:20:17 * Sacro considers pasting it here for others 20:20:47 <hylje> :o 20:20:53 <hylje> shiny bashrcs 20:20:57 <hylje> they are liek one in a thousand 20:21:04 <RichK67> lol - with all that "anti-Dalestan" posts in the forum, TL is worked strongly on the PNGload code... by Dalestan ;) that I snuck into TGP when no-one was looking ;) 20:21:06 <OwenS> lol 20:21:25 <hylje> heh 20:21:37 <RichK67> worked/working 20:22:32 <Sacro> now to configure mutt 20:22:48 *** ammler [n=marcel@zux181-026.adsl.green.ch] has joined #openttd 20:22:55 <RichK67> apply collar; fix leash, take for walk ;) 20:23:03 <OwenS> lol 20:23:23 <hylje> what language is that? 20:23:28 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-208-69.pth-as1.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:23:33 <Born_Acorn> English. 20:23:40 <RichK67> its just a ruff draft :) 20:23:46 <hylje> what?! 20:23:59 <Born_Acorn> If the train is to stop at red, stop now. 20:24:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not actually the most used english words i ever saw ;) 20:24:57 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 20:25:26 <Eddi|zuHause> kinda reminds me of "Paul Anka" :) 20:26:23 <Sacro> RichK67: it just gets worse and worse :) 20:27:03 *** smeding_ [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:27:13 *** smeding_ [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:27:35 <CIA-5> truelight * r5564 /branches/TGP/heightmap.c: -Codechange: split up heightmap code in PNG loader, and general handler. Adding other image-formats should be pretty easy now. 20:28:51 <Wolf01> grayscale PNGs have to be of the same dimension (eg 512*256) of the map you want to make? 20:29:01 <glx> of course 20:29:27 <Wolf01> and is not possible to stretch the image to fit on the map? 20:29:35 <Eddi|zuHause> shouldn't one rather send a pixel-array through the next best image-format-library to get support for any file format you can imagine? 20:31:03 <CIA-5> truelight * r5565 /branches/TGP/TODO.TGP: -Update: one more TODO done 20:31:09 <RichK67> the correct answer is "no" 20:31:11 <RichK67> :) 20:31:31 <RichK67> it scales the png to the minimum dimension 20:31:45 <Sacro> anyone here know of any tools for sorting a Maildir 20:31:48 <RichK67> but it helps if the png is in the same proportions 20:32:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: rm 20:32:25 <glx> lol 20:32:40 <Rubidium> RichK67: I think the roadstops grf is missing from MiniIN 20:32:43 <RichK67> PNGload improved a lot 20:32:45 <RichK67> damn 20:32:52 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the result IS a sorted directory ;) 20:33:23 <Eddi|zuHause> ever heard of the "lossy sort" algorithm? ;) 20:33:35 <CIA-5> truelight * r5566 /branches/TGP/ (os2.c unix.c win32.c): -Fix: don't show .png files if there is no WITH_PNG support 20:34:20 <CIA-5> richk * r5567 /branches/MiniIN/data/roadstops.grf: 20:34:20 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [DriveThruStops]: Note to self; dont the forget the darn grf file :) 20:34:20 <CIA-5> Thanks to Rubidium for the kick in the proverbials. :) 20:34:42 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: not much use though 20:35:16 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you did not specify, what further uses you desire ;) 20:35:30 <Eddi|zuHause> (not that i would actually have a real answer) 20:36:47 <Sacro> i wish to sort my maildir by message date, rather than when it was downloaded 20:36:58 <Sacro> rather than wait 5 seconds for pine to do it 20:38:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and both differ? 20:38:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i only ever used graphical clients 20:38:38 <Wolf01> station_map.h: In function `CmdBuildRoadStop': 20:38:38 <Wolf01> station_map.h:304: warning: case value `2' not in enumerated type `RoadStopType' 20:38:38 <Wolf01> station_map.h:304: warning: case value `3' not in enumerated type `RoadStopType' 20:38:38 <Wolf01> station_map.h:297: warning: 'gfx' might be used uninitialized in this function 20:38:38 <Wolf01> i hope that is all right 20:39:23 <Sacro> i cant get the TTD theme out my head :'( 20:39:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i shut off music years ago because of that ;) 20:39:49 <Rubidium> I'm already fixing those :) 20:40:18 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2D8F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:55 <Rubidium> Wolf01: http://mickysoft.nl/openttd/kill_compile_warnings.diff <- any regressions with this? 20:43:02 *** lws1984_ [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:55 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:44:00 *** lws1984_ is now known as lws1984 20:44:15 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:45:15 <Wolf01> no warnings 20:45:15 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has joined #openttd 20:45:52 <CIA-5> truelight * r5568 /branches/TGP/ (openttd.c openttd.h tgp_gui.c variables.h): -Codechange: some minor glitches I made during this long day ;) 20:53:32 <CIA-5> truelight * r5569 /branches/TGP/ (os2.c tgp_gui.c win32.c): 20:53:32 <CIA-5> -Fix: don't show dirs in NewGame list for win32 and os2 (unix was already done, tnx RichK for spotting) 20:53:32 <CIA-5> -Fix: don't change the landscape by the press of a button 20:53:42 *** coppertop [n=copperto@dpc691918215.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 20:56:14 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2E8BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:56:14 *** dp is now known as dp-- 20:57:13 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B75E49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:58:52 <Sacro> bored :( 21:00:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> get a life :) 21:00:09 <hylje> :< 21:00:14 <Wolf01> me too, but now i'm going to read a clive cussler book :) 21:00:16 <Sacro> wget life ... 21:01:34 *** d00s [n=dossy@cwoerlee.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 21:01:37 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@62.163.61.229] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:01:51 <d00s> *bump* 21:02:07 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:02:09 <Sacro> *ow* 21:02:15 * Sacro kicks CIA-5 21:02:15 * hylje bumps Sacro again 21:02:16 <CIA-5> ow 21:02:38 * Sacro pushes hylje over 21:02:39 <hylje> i wonder if CIA counts the times it gets kicked 21:02:47 *** d00s is now known as Dos 21:02:50 <Belugas> Hey! Leave that bot alone... He served well today. Don't want to see it gone! 21:03:09 <Dos> i want RC2 =( 21:03:32 <Sacro> of what? 21:03:36 <Dos> openttd 21:03:46 <Belugas> Rice Crispies for 2 21:04:03 <Sacro> oh my fairy god http://www.tt-forums.net//files/rens_experiment_18th_dec_2062_582.png :| 21:04:15 <Rens2Sea> :D 21:04:21 <hylje> what the fairy god 21:04:27 <hylje> is that 21:04:34 <Rens2Sea> experiment :o 21:04:46 <hylje> what the fairy god is its purpose 21:04:58 <Rens2Sea> to be experimental :o 21:05:04 <hylje> oh my fairy god! 21:05:06 <Sacro> some people should not be allowed... 21:05:12 <Rens2Sea> :( 21:05:14 <CIA-5> truelight * r5570 /branches/TGP/industry_cmd.c: -Fix: don't terraform for the user when placing industry (this feature might come back later, but currently it terraforms too much) 21:05:18 *** TinoM [n=Tino@83.135.193.255] has quit ["Verlassend"] 21:06:14 <Sacro> Rens2Sea: hehe :) its very impressive 21:06:15 <Dos> bla im going back to 0.4.7 21:06:24 <Rens2Sea> thank you :p 21:06:29 <Sacro> Dos: try nightlies, or MiniIN 21:06:43 <Dos> there are no fun servers for nightly 21:06:50 <hylje> hmm, road stops should be able to replace road tiles 21:07:15 <hylje> nowadays its somewhat hard to put them into existing town-owned roads 21:07:52 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-208-69.pth-as1.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:10:09 <Sacro> nothing wrong with Brianetta's nightly 21:10:09 <glx> hylje: they currently act as in ttdpatch 21:10:40 <Sacro> you should be able to place a communal one on a pre-existing road 21:10:49 <Sacro> but your own private ones on your own road 21:10:49 <RichK67> hylje: i agree... not possible to place if town has created a loop 21:11:28 <CIA-5> truelight * r5571 /branches/TGP/TODO.TGP: 21:11:28 <CIA-5> -Update: updated TODO. 21:11:28 <CIA-5> -Note: last commit for tonight, you can now safely compile ;) hehehe :p 21:13:56 *** akausal [i=mmbeck@home.akausal.de] has left #OpenTTD ["bye"] 21:18:02 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:18:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:18:15 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 21:18:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B763D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:22:33 <CIA-5> truelight * r5572 /branches/TGP/heightmap.c: 21:22:33 <CIA-5> -Fix: heightmap crashed because of clockwise routine (tnx RichK67 for spotting) 21:22:33 <CIA-5> -Note: sorry, I lied in my last commit 21:23:05 *** Hendy [n=wolfox@203-219-233-113-alb-ts1-2600.tpgi.com.au] has quit [No route to host] 21:23:07 <RichK67> LOL 21:23:14 <Sacro> OSX 1.3 :S 21:24:18 *** Hendy [n=wolfox@203-219-233-72-alb-ts1-2600.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:24:37 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498DD39.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 21:25:18 <Sacro> heh, adblock doesnt work when its disabled... 21:25:42 <glx> that's surprising :) 21:26:47 <Bjarni> <Sacro> OSX 1.3 :S <-- looks like a typo ;) 21:27:15 <Sacro> Bjarni: it does doesnt it 21:27:18 <Bjarni> Sacro: it's the same guy, who managed: Location: "Italyy" 21:27:30 <Sacro> he needs a new keyboard 21:27:54 <Bjarni> "I' dont know what can I do....and i'm sorry for my bad english!" <-- at least he is honest 21:28:39 <Sacro> he, true 21:28:49 <Sacro> should have seperate forums for non english people 21:28:50 <Bjarni> also his problem is that he tried to run the 10.4 binary in 10.3.... now why is it that he selected NOT to download the 10.3 binary? 21:28:51 <Bjarni> :P 21:29:07 <Sacro> hes stoopid? 21:29:33 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:30:43 <Born_Acorn> The Intercontinental airport looks so cute in Toyland 21:31:01 <Bjarni> o_O 21:31:06 <Sacro> awwwwwww :) 21:31:09 <Born_Acorn> But, the slanted grass from RichK67's grf is not Toyland grass there. 21:31:14 <Dos> tsk got kicked out of a server 0_0 21:31:24 <RichK67> yeah... its a bummer that tile 21:31:25 <Born_Acorn> Which may be a small graphical bug. 21:31:29 * Sacro considers upsetting Brianetta again :) 21:31:43 <Sacro> or did someone fix that bug? 21:31:48 * Bjarni kicks Sacro 21:31:54 <RichK67> nah... its a big problem ... its half (replaceable) tarmac, and half (replaceable) grass 21:31:56 <Bjarni> oh wait, you said Brianetta 21:31:58 <Bjarni> then it's ok 21:32:16 <Dos> Wenn does RC2 come? 21:32:17 * Sacro sets up explosives all around denmark, or whever Bjarni is from :P 21:32:20 <RichK67> had to pick one to be the "fixed" sprite 21:32:32 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@0x5735f79d.abnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 21:32:41 <Sacro> dutch, danish...its all complex :( 21:33:00 <RichK67> at least you can replace the tarmac with black, and it looks really cool 21:34:02 <Dos> wenn are they fix the language mistakes? lol 21:34:10 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 21:34:19 <Born_Acorn> Hmm. I wanted to update the asphalt on that airport actually. 21:34:34 <RichK67> np... its all the same sprite 21:34:45 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?36518 <-- you helped creating this one? 21:35:11 <Bjarni> err, that one was aimed at Sacro 21:35:20 <Sacro> why does that not surprise me 21:35:31 <Sacro> heh, that wasnt me 21:35:49 <Sacro> but my brother keeps saying that Ukrainians come from Ukrainia, my dads fiancee was not amused 21:36:04 <Bjarni> I might answer something like that to a question of that level 21:36:36 <Bjarni> :) 21:37:03 <Bjarni> I had to think about that one for a moment because directly translated to Danish, it would be correct 21:37:05 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:37:26 <Belugas_Gone> nigth all...and maybe good weekend 21:37:29 <Bjarni> and Sacro comes from Sacrorian 21:37:36 <RichK67> gn... TGP looking different ;) 21:37:45 <Bjarni> "maybe good".... I will have a great weekend :D 21:37:54 <Belugas_Gone> good for you :) 21:37:57 <RichK67> PNG load rotate is ... odd... 21:38:03 <RichK67> :) 21:38:13 <Sacro> night Belugas_Gone 21:38:25 * Sacro is from here :) 21:38:54 <RichK67> a 1024x512 heightmap has to load into a 512x1024 map... ;) 21:39:34 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:39:39 <RichK67> gn 21:39:43 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host86-238.pool870.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 21:41:58 <Bjarni> Sacro: that's likely the best thing you can say if you have to dial 112 (999 in your case, though 112 works) from a mobile phone 21:43:06 <Sacro> hehe, though from a mobile they can trace it 21:43:21 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 21:43:27 <RichK67> no they dont 21:43:40 <RichK67> i had to call 999, but didnt know what road i was on 21:43:56 <Sacro> how come the AA can, but 999 cant :S 21:44:27 <RichK67> my first call was answered by the liverpool control, the second by the manchester control... and they had to pick up a phone to communicate with each other :( 21:44:41 <RichK67> useless 21:46:01 <CIA-5> richk * r5573 /branches/MiniIN/ (patches/MiniINpatches.zip station.h station_map.h): 21:46:01 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [DriveThruStops]: Clear up compile warnings. 21:46:01 <CIA-5> Thanks to mart3p for patch. 21:47:21 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 21:47:58 *** ammler [n=marcel@zux181-026.adsl.green.ch] has left #openttd [] 21:48:24 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176120035.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:49:00 <Rubidium> RichK67, some more (non-trunk) (GCC 4.1) warnings are removed by: http://mickysoft.nl/openttd/extra_warning_cleanups.diff 21:49:04 <Bjarni> Sacro: it's a huge problem. They are currently investigating how to make systems so they can trace what antenna the call comes from 21:49:48 <Sacro> well i can get a CellID from my phone 21:49:58 <eQualizer> Is there any reason why I shouldn't upgrade 0.4.7 0.4.8-RC1? 21:50:02 <Sacro> and i can use that to automagically turn my phone off silent when i leave work 21:50:12 <Sacro> eQualizer: bugs, lots of shiny bugs 21:50:29 <RichK67> Rubidium: mostly copy-paste warnings? 21:50:32 <Rubidium> Bjarni: them I'm going to take an UMTS phone, as then they need to take into account multiple antennas 21:50:34 <Bjarni> eQualizer: yes. 0.4.8-RC1 is broken 21:50:36 <Rubidium> yes 21:50:51 <Rubidium> and one for that percentile loading stuff 21:51:18 <eQualizer> So I'm better off with 0.4.7? 21:51:19 <Bjarni> Sacro: calledID is not the same as the phone give them GPS info... they just know what phone you use, but not where it is 21:51:39 <Bjarni> eQualizer: yeah, until 0.4.8-RC2 or 0.4.8 21:52:03 <OwenS> One wonders how an RC1 went out with what would appear to be so many bugs 21:52:16 <eQualizer> Bjarni: Okay. And they will come when they come? 21:52:45 <Sacro> Bjarni: they can tell which cell your connected to 21:53:18 <Bjarni> eQualizer: well, really soon... (I hope) 21:53:23 <Bjarni> Sacro: not everywhere 21:53:34 <Sacro> hmm, i suppose 21:53:43 <Bjarni> <@Delphy> heh, a man died of dehydration when he became stuck between two water tanks <-- now this guy needed a mobile phone 21:53:54 * Sacro loves the nightly bug, it can take down entire servers 21:54:08 <Bjarni> what bug? 21:54:42 <Sacro> you can delete a bridge with a train on it 21:55:05 <Sacro> and then when you send the train in the water to a depot, it causes a YAPF assert (obviously!) which takes out the server 21:55:05 <Qball> cool, hovertrain 21:55:12 <RichK67> its the 1889 Tay simulation ;) 21:55:26 <Sacro> Qball: no, just sticks it into the water 21:55:30 <Sacro> RichK67: oooh nasty 21:55:34 <RichK67> its shallow 21:55:38 <Sacro> Qball: are you the #archlinux Qball? 21:55:45 <Sacro> RichK67: unlike the train 21:55:47 <Qball> not there now 21:55:49 <OwenS> WHat happens with NTP? :P 21:56:00 <Qball> but yeah, I am the one complaining about the removed api docs 21:56:04 <RichK67> the train swims in circles ;) 21:56:12 <OwenS> lol 21:56:18 <OwenS> So it doesn't crash the server :P 21:57:15 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 21:57:31 <OwenS> Whats the fastest way to expand a city, other than dumping tonnes of passengers in it (Which i'm doing already) 21:57:44 <RichK67> 3 buses 21:57:57 <OwenS> No can do, tonnes of level crossings 21:57:59 <OwenS> And no space 21:57:59 <RichK67> 3 bus stations close to centre 21:58:19 <RichK67> growth is totally based on frequency of service 21:58:23 <RichK67> not quantity 21:58:36 <OwenS> It has trains arriving 24/7 at the centre... 21:58:42 <RichK67> so if you service 5 stations in 20 days, the town grows the maximum 21:58:51 <Sacro> Qball: removed API docs? 21:58:52 <RichK67> its no. of stations serviced 21:58:55 *** Angst [n=Angst@p549465C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 21:58:56 <OwenS> Aah 21:59:10 <Qball> Sacro: yes 21:59:21 <RichK67> i took a village of 250 to a thriving 5000+ in 15 years with 3 buses 21:59:23 <OwenS> Ill make note not to go over a level crossing :P 21:59:33 <Sacro> Qball: care to elaborate? 21:59:47 <Qball> Sacro: what more is there to say 21:59:58 <Sacro> Qball: not sure... 22:00:00 <Qball> Sacro: all the api documentation was missing, and not packed... 22:00:03 <RichK67> never "full load" btw on growth buses... you dont care about their profit... they are there to help the locals breed ;) 22:00:19 <Qball> everydistro so far has it in a package 22:00:23 <Sacro> Qball: i know theres all the info stuff gone 22:00:27 <Sacro> Arch doesnt have that 22:01:09 <Qball> and I was going to live with that, but almost everything crashed.. abi, openoffice, cups etc. 22:01:24 <Sacro> ive never had problems with crashing 22:01:39 <CIA-5> richk * r5574 /branches/MiniIN/ (patches/MiniINpatches.zip vehicle.c): [MiniIN]: [RefitInfo]: Fix. Bug in cloning refitted road vehicles. Thanks to mart3p for correction. 22:01:46 <Bjarni> that bug sounds like US wooden bridges 22:01:54 <Qball> Sacro: well. it did. 22:02:11 <OwenS> BTW, this is a 6000 city surrounded by other cities :P 22:02:23 <OwenS> 4 of my 5 busses made it accross the level crossing from depo to city centre alive :D 22:03:39 <RichK67> lol - can be entertaining 22:03:57 <Qball> I rather do that to competition 22:04:12 <Bjarni> those brilliant people built wooden bridges that could handle the weight of the locomotives of the time they were built. Newer engines was bigger and had a weight around twice as much as the bridges were designed for, yet they just kept driving like everything was ok and each time an engine fell though a bridge, it was an accident, that "they could not have foreseen and prevented" 22:04:14 <RichK67> city needs space for housing... if all edges are blocked by track etc, growth may be poor 22:04:21 <Bjarni> that's USA people alright 22:04:40 <OwenS> Theyre not all blocked :) 22:04:42 <RichK67> lol 22:06:10 <Bjarni> the US railroads in the last half of the 19th century was not a safe place to be 22:06:24 <Bjarni> they had 3-8 serious accidents a day 22:06:29 <hylje> heh 22:06:31 <RichK67> ouch 22:06:35 *** smeding_ [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:06:40 *** smeding_ [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:06:51 <Bjarni> that would be like head on collisions, high speed derails, failing bridges and so on 22:07:23 <OwenS> Ouch 22:07:26 <hylje> ow 22:07:45 <OwenS> The UK has never been that bad, although we still lack high speed rail... 22:08:01 <OwenS> The only high speed line is the CTRL... 22:08:32 <Bjarni> they did absolutely nothing for safety as they somehow failed to see the link between safety and rail accidents o_O 22:08:41 <OwenS> O_O 22:08:42 <RichK67> oh, we had some bad periods too 22:08:46 <OwenS> Amazing... 22:08:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: realize it, you are talking about americans ;) 22:08:56 <OwenS> Were we ever as bad as the US though...? 22:09:09 <Bjarni> OwenS: I don't think so 22:09:17 <RichK67> never had same problems no 22:09:28 <hylje> because american stuff is run by money, not all decisions are made by common sense 22:09:44 <RichK67> like privatising British Rail... yeah 22:09:44 <OwenS> My growth busses have got lost :( 22:09:50 <hylje> more like "its cheaper to replace those vehicles than its to fix all that shit 22:09:50 <hylje> " 22:09:56 <Bjarni> in 1911 they banned a lot of unsafe stuff on steam locomotives and when I read it, I thought "I have never seen or read about so unsafe European locomotives" 22:10:25 <RichK67> i had a book called "the wonders of the modern railway"... dated 1911 22:10:34 <Bjarni> I mean, they risked not being able to see how much water the boiler contained.... 22:10:40 <RichK67> cool book too.. .6 photos :) 22:11:01 <Bjarni> camelback got banned because it had a design flaw, that ended up boiling several drivers 22:11:01 <CIA-5> richk * r5575 /branches/MiniIN/ (copy_paste_gui.c order_cmd.c variables.h): [MiniIN]: Fix: Clear a few compile warnings (GCC 4.1). Thanks to Rubidium for spot and fix. 22:11:04 <hylje> and since most of america consisted of poor people migrated from europe and asia, and poor people are generally not the brightest 22:11:44 <Bjarni> hylje: I would not say that, but poor people tend not to be well educated ;) 22:11:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah... all rich and intelligent people only migrated past 1933... 22:12:20 <RichK67> have less good educational chances 22:12:34 <Bjarni> RichK67: I got a task for you.... go scan that book and made a pdf to send me... that book sounds interesting :D 22:12:46 <RichK67> i sold it on ebay :) 22:12:51 <Bjarni> >_< 22:13:00 * Bjarni shoots RichK67 22:13:04 <RichK67> lol 22:13:47 <Bjarni> you know, when you got a treasure like that, you don't give it away 22:14:05 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 22:14:58 <hylje> Bjarni: low education tends to inherit -- parents discourage their children from getting educated properly 22:15:04 <RichK67> i didnt.. i got £14 if i remember ;) 22:15:33 <Bjarni> that's virtually nothing for a gem like that 22:16:05 <RichK67> i had to have it on ebay twice before i got any bids tho... i really had difficulty passing it on 22:16:45 <Bjarni> then eBay was the wrong place to sell it 22:17:06 <Bjarni> if you sell it to the right people, the price can be much higher 22:17:18 <RichK67> yeah, but its time 22:17:26 <RichK67> anyway 22:17:49 <Bjarni> I once saw a sign from a railcar "the one about danger if you stand outside while it's driving" for sale for £20 22:17:59 <Bjarni> and that was just a sign 22:18:03 <Bjarni> you had a real gem 22:18:50 <RichK67> lol - ive got some more gems then... GWR luggage tags ;) 22:19:01 <RichK67> pre WW2 22:19:20 <RichK67> god knows where.. but ive got some 22:19:33 <RichK67> and my train set is older than me 22:20:02 <OwenS> One of my friends has a wrought iron railway tresspass sign... 22:20:27 <RichK67> "people caught stealing signs will be prosecuted" sign :) 22:21:07 <Born_Acorn> I have signed documents from the GWR superindendants office at Chester about the Llandudno Eisteddfod. 22:21:38 <Born_Acorn> 1870s 22:21:47 <RichK67> wow cool 22:21:55 <Bjarni> when the steam locomotives got retired, a friend of mine wrote a letter to the railroad where he stated that he wanted to buy the number plate from a certain engine... he got the reply that he could not because somebody had stolen it, but he could buy one from another engine of the same type 22:22:25 <Bjarni> somebody sneaked into the railyard and stole the numberplate o_O 22:22:40 <OwenS> lol 22:23:07 <Born_Acorn> My dad dug up a works plate from a 1950s tractor in our garden. 22:23:14 <RichK67> i did used to work as a tour guide for the Atmospheric Railway Museum in Starcross, Devon... that was cool... they actually had a piece of the original cast iron pipe... circa 1846 :) 22:23:27 <Born_Acorn> When he was digging a grave for the dog. 22:23:46 <RichK67> ok, museum has closed now, but it was 23 years ago ;) 22:23:57 <Born_Acorn> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Brunel%27s_Atmospheric_Railway.jpg 22:24:02 <Born_Acorn> That piece? :p 22:24:10 <Born_Acorn> (big big big image) 22:24:15 <Bjarni> yesterday we found a piece of a beer bottle from the 40s in the garden 22:24:23 <Born_Acorn> (Broadband users beware) 22:24:31 <RichK67> ugg loadtime 22:24:37 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-211-214.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Client Quit] 22:24:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> argh... i need to get a "real" connection 22:25:15 <Bjarni> ok, now I got that huge pic 22:25:23 <RichK67> not quite... just one 6 ft section... thats the bit that was being used as a sewer pipe ;) 22:25:23 <Bjarni> why is it that huge? 22:26:06 <Bjarni> I don't really get what Brunel did to get that train moving 22:26:08 <RichK67> it had an enormous piston in the tube... they made a near-vacuum one side, and air pressure pushed the piston along, dragging the train 22:26:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> that looks really huge... what is that good for? 22:26:10 <Bjarni> how did it work? 22:26:32 <RichK67> best speed in 1847/8 was 70mph 22:27:01 <Bjarni> hmm 22:27:14 <RichK67> but the leather flap didnt like the salt weather, so they coated it in grease, that rats decided tasted nice 22:27:14 <Bjarni> how was the train connected to the piston? 22:27:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> that looks pretty fast for the time 22:27:43 <RichK67> through the slot... a bit like an upside down scalectrix 22:27:49 <Bjarni> ahh, they used a leather coat to make it air tight (more or less) when no train was present 22:27:52 <Bjarni> clever 22:28:02 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-124.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:28:24 <Bjarni> though that design never really had a future 22:28:26 <RichK67> yeah, but it desperately needed a modern material like rubber 22:28:36 <RichK67> it did... its still in use today 22:28:57 <Bjarni> like everything else Brunel touched, it was an engineering masterpiece and a complete financial failure 22:29:08 <RichK67> aircraft catapults on aircraft carriers are identical, except rather than vacuum one side, they use steam pressure on the other 22:29:40 <Bjarni> they use steam pressure on modern carriers in the catapults? 22:29:52 *** smeding_ [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:29:55 <Bjarni> I thought it was more like compressed air or something 22:29:56 *** smeding_ [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:30:14 <RichK67> modern materials can work well... we had a demonstrator in the museum where a domestic vaccuum cleaner could move a trolley + 8 stone child at about 2mph 22:30:30 <hylje> :o? 22:30:35 <RichK67> its steam on US carriers 22:31:05 <RichK67> very very cheap to produce when you have unlimited electricity from the nuclear engine 22:31:06 <Bjarni> that's expensive, but a good idea 22:31:15 <Bjarni> good point 22:31:28 <RichK67> and clean, and non-corrosive 22:31:31 <RichK67> its ideal 22:31:57 <Bjarni> but it's still more expensive than compressed air would be, but compressed air do not not expand like steam 22:32:44 <Sacro> Bjarni: surely it will if its compressed... 22:32:50 <RichK67> yeah... it was also the system used to launch the V1 doodlebugs off their ramps 22:34:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> what the heck is a doodlebug? 22:34:58 <Bjarni> Sacro: well yeah, but steam got a special "feature". If it is say 10 bars and it drops to 5 bars, it will use way more than twice the space due to how steam reacts to changes in pressure/contained area 22:35:19 <CIA-5> richk * r5576 /branches/MiniIN/ (economy.c patches/MiniINpatches.zip): [MiniIN]: [AdditionalOrders]: Fix. Fixed unload bug. Many thanks to gigajum for patch. 22:35:45 <Sacro> yeah, true 22:36:02 <RichK67> Eddi|zuHause2: the V1 doodlebugs were Hitlers small jet powered pilotless bombs 22:36:04 <Brianetta> [23:34] <Eddi|zuHause2> what the heck is a doodlebug? 22:36:04 <Brianetta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-1_flying_bomb 22:36:07 *** smeding_ [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:36:10 <Bjarni> I can't really say why, but the result is that steam engines got higher power when using steam than they would have if they had the same pressure from compressed air 22:36:11 *** smeding_ [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:36:19 <Brianetta> World's first functional cruise missile 22:36:30 <Born_Acorn> Has anyone fixed the truck graphics bug yet? 22:36:34 <RichK67> yup 22:36:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> i know what a V-1 is, but the name "doodlebug" was very new ;) 22:36:44 <Born_Acorn> yay. 22:36:49 <RichK67> sorry - yup to Brianetta 22:36:56 <Born_Acorn> aww. 22:37:09 <Brianetta> Eddi: It was the English who called it that 22:37:16 <RichK67> mus be a british thing 22:37:32 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: that is what happens if you all of a sudden goes off topic :P 22:37:49 <Born_Acorn> The one where you build a 3rd generation truck and find it incorrectly has 2nd generation truck graphics when it's empty? 22:38:05 <Bjarni> I know what you mean 22:38:15 <Bjarni> but that's not the same as it have been solved 22:38:19 <Born_Acorn> The topic should be OTTD anyway, not WW2 ballistic missiles and their nicknames. :p 22:38:56 <Born_Acorn> There is an easy fix in the form of a GRF file. 22:40:01 <Born_Acorn> http://www.tt-forums.net/files/woodtruck_123.jpg <-- See the empty truck looks like the 2nd generation trucks, when it should be a third! 22:41:04 <Born_Acorn> I made a simple GRF file fix here: http://www.tt-forums.net/download.php?id=48305 22:42:21 <Bjarni> tell peter1138 22:42:41 <Bjarni> he knows how to add that to openttd.grf and to set it to be used by default 22:43:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, if the sprites are in the original grfs, you probably just need to fiddle around with the number of the sprite that gets loaded 22:43:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> or are they not? 22:43:45 <Born_Acorn> They aren't. 22:44:00 <Born_Acorn> Thats the bug. Looks like Chris Sawyer forgot to add them to tg1r.grf 22:46:04 <Born_Acorn> So they are new graphics that don't break copyright. 22:46:25 <OwenS> Something in my PC is ratteling and I wanna know what :( 22:47:38 <Born_Acorn> Bjarni, I thought it would be easier to just add the trucks.grf to /data/ and make them a mandatory thing. The problem then arises when people want to use NewGRF files that use the trucks IDs, so yes, peter1138 would be the dude to talk to. 22:48:26 <hylje> wtf, /b/ got a train thread 22:50:05 *** coppertop [n=copperto@dpc691918215.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:54:06 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 22:59:42 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@84.172.91.73] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:03:39 <Sacro> \[3[0;32m\]\u\[3[0;36m\]@\[3[0;32m\]\h \[3[0;36m\]\w\[3[1;37m\] \[3[0;39m\]$ 23:04:06 <hylje> zomg regexp? 23:05:12 <Sacro> hylje: nope 23:05:20 <hylje> k 23:05:34 <Sacro> hehe, lets see if anyone else can get it :P 23:08:13 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 23:08:13 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 23:08:23 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 23:08:26 <glx> Sacro: easy it's a bash invite 23:08:33 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 23:09:05 <glx> hmm prompt is the word :) 23:19:09 <Sacro> glx: invite? 23:19:14 <Sacro> hehe, yup 23:19:18 <Sacro> and a pretty one at that 23:19:38 <glx> very colorful it seems 23:19:51 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has quit [] 23:21:05 <Sacro> yup 23:27:03 <Sacro> whoops, "vncviewer localhost" is soooooooo not good 23:36:34 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCA1028.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 23:43:50 *** OwenS [n=OwenS@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has left #openttd ["Kopete 0.11.3 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 23:46:50 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@81.68.81.203] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:47:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> ah... those were the times... when i played with ANSI.SYS on the DOS-prompt ;) 23:47:56 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B37242.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:48:14 <hylje> Sacro goes infinite loop 23:48:25 <Sacro> hylje: heh, yeah 23:48:28 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: yup 23:48:32 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:49:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> and creatig colourful menus with .bat files ;) 23:49:19 <hylje> flashing menus 23:49:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, not flashing... that is ugly 23:50:38 * Sacro shuts down Eclipse and OOo and decides on a bit of OpenTTD 23:50:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> but with escape-sequences you could do all kind of stuff... like colours and curser-positioning... 23:51:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> and with switch.exe you handled the input 23:51:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> god, that must be 15 years ago ;) 23:51:38 *** Dos [n=dossy@cwoerlee.demon.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:52:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> colours did not come all that funny on my fathers b/w laptop :) 23:55:23 <Sacro> hehe, b/w 23:59:01 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-124.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]