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But since the tracks do all the work, shouldnt the train be classified as maglev instead of electric, and be actually lighter than the average train instead of being extremely heavy? Or is this just a balancing issue? 08:00:08 *** Ammler [n=marcel@226.113.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Leaving."] 08:00:09 <Artanicus> anotyher slight problem is that the gave eventually stops to year 2090 .. The days start to advance more slowly and new companys inagurated in 2090 never become stock-mature 08:00:15 <Artanicus> *game 08:02:50 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:02:53 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:05:52 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 08:15:13 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:23:33 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 08:33:47 <Prof_Frink> BADGERS. 08:34:34 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: you got a wildlife problem in your house? 08:35:32 <peter1138> MUSHROOMS 08:35:36 <Prof_Frink> Well, an invasion of frogs 08:35:54 <Prof_Frink> The amphibian sort, not the 21-miles-thataway sort 08:37:31 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:46:44 <valhallazzzw> badger badger badger badger \o/ 08:53:03 *** ZsoL [i=zsol@157.181.151.138] has joined #openttd 08:57:51 *** Matt-W [i=maw@wonky.org.uk] has joined #openttd 08:58:15 *** Matt-W [i=maw@growl/Matt-W] has left #openttd [] 09:11:19 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-182-71.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:18:01 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 09:18:21 *** Mucht|zZz [n=Mucht@80.109.200.215] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 09:18:53 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 09:21:37 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 09:27:54 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 09:31:06 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-182-71.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:31:26 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-182-71.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:38:25 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:40:16 <Sacro> moooooooooom, it happened again :| 09:40:19 <Sacro> !logs 09:44:41 *** KUDr_wrk [n=KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 09:53:34 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 10:00:16 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:00:18 *** smeding_ [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:00:25 *** smeding_ [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:00:31 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:00:37 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:02:10 *** BurningFeetMan [n=BurningF@CPE-60-227-109-191.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:02:21 <BurningFeetMan> hi2u 10:03:23 <CIA-5> miham * r5602 /trunk/lang/unfinished/simplified_chinese.txt: 10:03:23 <CIA-5> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-25 12:03:06 10:03:23 <CIA-5> simplified_chinese - 549 fixed by Fishingsnow (549) 10:05:25 <RichK67_wrk> woohoo... KUDr_wrk is back :) 10:07:36 <KUDr_wrk> for short time only :( 10:08:47 <KUDr_wrk> short visit before another far trip 10:09:10 <RichK67_wrk> if you get chance, check out the TGP branch... Truelight and Belugas have been improving it (tons) 10:09:56 <KUDr_wrk> ok, i will checkout it to notebook and check later 10:10:11 <RichK67_wrk> ok :) 10:11:06 <RichK67_wrk> could you take a look at what parameters are needed in your routines to make mountainous a bit more zig-zaggy... ie. high mountains, deep V valleys 10:11:41 <KUDr_wrk> like desert? 10:11:56 <KUDr_wrk> you meen transformations? 10:12:34 <RichK67_wrk> i suspect its in the initial p values; have a really high initial oscillation 10:13:05 <KUDr_wrk> roughnes table? 10:13:09 <RichK67_wrk> but if a transformation will do it, that would be great 10:13:13 <RichK67_wrk> yeah 10:13:31 <KUDr_wrk> i don't understand how it should look like 10:13:50 <KUDr_wrk> do u have some hand made example? 10:14:27 <KUDr_wrk> what i have and use (like) is transform that makes "V 10:14:43 <KUDr_wrk> "V" valeys more like "U" 10:15:08 <KUDr_wrk> so you have more flat areas and still high mountains 10:15:18 <RichK67_wrk> what we have at the mo, is a high mountain or ridge, and then a fairly flat low bit between... what i think is wanted is steep rapid switches from mountain (12+) to valley (<3) back to mountain 10:15:25 <KUDr_wrk> looks much more like real terrain 10:16:21 <KUDr_wrk> aha, so more agressive terraform with no erosive forces? 10:16:22 <RichK67_wrk> more to make W and V shapes than smoothed Us... maybe have a blend 10:16:36 <KUDr_wrk> hmm 10:16:38 <RichK67_wrk> yes, fresher younger mountains 10:16:40 <KUDr_wrk> who wants that 10:16:46 <KUDr_wrk> it is unplayable 10:17:05 <KUDr_wrk> and unrealistic to make railroad in such terrain 10:17:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> i thought that is what "roughness" is for? low roughness = U valleys, high roughness = V valleys 10:17:20 <RichK67_wrk> TL/Belugas... but almost always i have someone say mountains arent steep enough 10:17:53 <KUDr_wrk> hmm 10:18:02 <RichK67_wrk> roughness controls the noise on the basic waveform.... more noise = rougher... 10:18:04 <KUDr_wrk> yes, so another roughness 10:18:33 <KUDr_wrk> one more (or two more) lines in the table could solve it probably 10:18:40 <RichK67_wrk> perhaps have current Very Rough as Rough, and make a sharp mountain Very Rough 10:18:42 <KUDr_wrk> did you try to play with it? 10:18:53 <KUDr_wrk> maybe 10:19:10 <KUDr_wrk> but it should be easy for them to play with that table 10:19:16 <KUDr_wrk> and make it as they want 10:19:31 <KUDr_wrk> otherwise they will never be satisfied with the result 10:20:03 <KUDr_wrk> let them play with it 10:20:09 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["<3"] 10:20:16 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:20:22 <RichK67_wrk> as in game it... nope... i personally like the mountains as they are, but others have always said "not very mountainous" 10:20:56 <RichK67_wrk> yeah, in some ways it may be better to have a "custom" line that gets pulled from the .cfg file 10:21:03 <KUDr_wrk> yes, so give them new roughness line 10:21:12 <KUDr_wrk> and they can modify it 10:21:22 <RichK67_wrk> then they can tweak it themselves, but still have the presets... sounds good to me 10:21:31 <KUDr_wrk> yes 10:21:54 <KUDr_wrk> one config (int array) option 10:22:35 <KUDr_wrk> if the problem is solvable by this table then it is good 10:22:49 <KUDr_wrk> otherwise they must define better what they want 10:22:54 <RichK67_wrk> it may be... im not 100% sure 10:23:57 <KUDr_wrk> they can also want to remove the sine transform 10:24:18 <KUDr_wrk> so the highest and lowest heights will be sharper 10:24:32 <KUDr_wrk> so i need example 10:24:41 <KUDr_wrk> and study it 10:25:06 <KUDr_wrk> or commented profile graph 10:25:13 *** Sacro_ [n=ben@83.100.248.83] has joined #openttd 10:26:10 <RichK67_wrk> well, i think its fairly simple - a sawtooth look; WVWVWVWVW rather than the (prettier, smoother) look it has now.... we like it, but other miss the zigzags :( 10:26:31 <RichK67_wrk> others = important others ;) 10:29:19 <KUDr_wrk> hmm 10:29:31 <KUDr_wrk> they can use original generator 10:29:57 <KUDr_wrk> TGP was supposed to be more realistic and finer i guess 10:30:29 <RichK67_wrk> i think we can manage spiky mountains; even if its just the default "custom" setting ;) 10:30:38 <KUDr_wrk> ok, i can think about how to parametrize the sine wave transform 10:31:06 <KUDr_wrk> this is the reason why peaks are smoother 10:31:19 <KUDr_wrk> (erosive force) 10:31:21 <RichK67_wrk> ok thanks... TGP is really motoring now 10:31:27 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:31:57 <KUDr_wrk> but i don't know when i will be back (like 1 to 3 weeks) 10:32:00 <RichK67_wrk> its the distance between peaks we need to reduce though... try to get it to under 35ish 10:32:20 <KUDr_wrk> aha then it is roghness table 10:32:23 <RichK67_wrk> so it can go: 15 -> 1/2 -> 15 again 10:32:35 <RichK67_wrk> 1/2 = 1 or 2 10:32:47 <KUDr_wrk> hmm 10:33:01 <KUDr_wrk> so big amplitude 10:33:36 <RichK67_wrk> yeah, and rapid primary p, 2nd and 3rd p probably fairly low 10:33:50 <KUDr_wrk> then it is not perlin 10:33:56 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-182-71.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:33:56 <RichK67_wrk> something like 0.99, 0.25, 0.25 10:34:32 <RichK67_wrk> not perlin? <-- sorry dont understand 10:38:28 *** Sedated [n=gokeefe@S01060050da7af46c.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:39:06 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [n=johekr@p54B75B92.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:41:35 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 10:43:21 <Bjarni> KUDr_wrk: have you seen the post on the forum about presignals? 10:43:58 <Bjarni> I kind of like the idea to make all signals turn red by default and then actively setting them green if a train reserves a path passed it 10:45:23 <Bjarni> this would allow the trains to slow down in good time at red signals and then accelerate as soon as the path is clear, hence hopefully removing or greatly reducing the number of complete stops in junctions 10:46:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> i thought we already decided to go that way months ago? :) 10:46:46 <Bjarni> good 10:47:08 <Bjarni> it would be nice if you inform me of such issues you take decisions in while I'm not here 10:47:41 <Bjarni> because I never actually heard anybody talking about default red signals in this channel 10:48:14 <Bjarni> might make an issue with YAPF penalty for red signals though 10:49:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> it was thought that the signal stores how many trains intend to go through a signal, and use that as some kind of penalty 10:49:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i don't know how far that can be realized 10:50:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> could make for nice load balancing 10:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> there somewhere was a PDF of Celestar that outlined the new signal concept 10:52:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i have not seen any attempts of an implementation yet 10:55:13 <Sacro_> rawr 10:55:27 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 10:55:41 <RichK67_wrk> i want to grep for files that contain a pattern, but do not include another pattern... any ideas how i do it? 10:55:51 <RichK67_wrk> help file isnt 10:56:25 <Sacro> Bjarni: we do inform you when your not here :) you just never seem to remember 10:56:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> err... regexp have some kind of [^X] for words that do not contain X 10:56:49 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: yes 10:57:25 <RichK67_wrk> so grep -E "phrase1^phrase2"?? 10:57:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'm not sure if that actually works for entire words, or just letters 10:58:07 <Sacro> s/[foo][^bar]// ? 10:58:10 <RichK67_wrk> that was what i thought from reading the regexp info i have 10:58:44 <RichK67_wrk> [foo] will match a single letter of f, o, or o 10:58:57 <RichK67_wrk> not foor 10:59:00 <RichK67_wrk> foo 11:00:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> if you have foo, and not bar, you could try (foo)([^b]|b[^a]|ba[^r])* 11:00:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> or something 11:00:34 <RichK67_wrk> ok... ill try 11:00:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> that would still match barfoo though 11:00:44 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B77D92.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:00:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> so might need a little tweaking 11:00:55 <Sacro> heh 11:01:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> another ( )* around maybe 11:01:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> ( )+ better 11:03:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> or you could look if grep has an option "not matching pattern"... 11:04:05 <RichK67_wrk> duh.. i never thought of that.... of course i checked for that... first thing... granted grep --help isnt much help 11:04:27 <spiff> ^ is the negation operator 11:04:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> well... you never know ;) 11:04:41 <spiff> as well as the beginning-of-line operator 11:04:55 <spiff> s,operator,anchor, 11:05:03 <RichK67_wrk> spiff: yes, but how do you get it to check a phrase rather than a single character 11:05:50 * spiff checks with mastering regular expressions 11:06:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> i know i fiddled around with such things before, and the way i described above was the only solution i found 11:06:42 <RichK67_wrk> i want to find "Reponse Code", but reject all "Response Code:3030" 11:07:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, then the thing above should work 11:08:06 <spiff> RichK67_wrk: (?!text) in perl, at least. I'll check egrep. 11:08:22 <valhallazzzw> negation in regexps is bad 11:08:27 <valhallazzzw> just don't do it 11:09:55 <Sacro> RichK67_wrk: echo "foo" | grep foo | grep ^bar :) 11:14:24 <Sacro> heh, that doesnt work 11:16:14 <spiff> the ^ is anchor in that context 11:16:39 <spiff> it's only negation in brackets, iirc 11:17:09 <spiff> [^0-9] matches everything but numbers, for example 11:17:33 <RichK67_wrk> which is fine; but I only want to exclude 1 number: 3030 11:18:13 * RichK67_wrk thinks - so much for all-powerful regexp 11:18:35 <spiff> huh? 11:18:50 <spiff> can't you match around? 11:19:38 *** dfox [n=dfox@r3bk86.chello.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 11:19:48 <RichK67_wrk> ill find a way, thanks 11:22:23 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:22:33 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 11:22:54 *** Sedated [n=gokeefe@S01060050da7af46c.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 11:25:38 <mikk36> fun fun :) 11:33:40 <Sacro> exclude 3030? 11:33:56 <Sacro> if its just on its own... ^(^3030)$ 11:35:01 *** _max_ [i=xXx@seduce-and-destroy.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:35:29 *** __max_ [i=xXx@seduce-and-destroy.com] has joined #openttd 11:38:47 *** egladil_ibook [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:43:12 <RichK67_wrk> no ... its "Response Code:3030" 11:44:07 <RichK67_wrk> (^3030) doesnt work... it doesnt matter now; ive done a kludgey workaround 11:44:10 <RichK67_wrk> thanks 11:44:47 <SpComb> you can only use ^ to negate char sets 11:45:07 <SpComb> you have to do some negative lookahead/beind to match something that doesn't exist 11:46:52 <blathijs> RichK67_wrk: grep -v negates the entire expression? 11:47:18 <Sacro> blathijs: damn you! id just done "man grep" to look for that :) 11:47:24 <RichK67_wrk> dunno - this is GNUtools win grep 11:48:05 <blathijs> Sacro: I didn't have to do man grep for that (though I did do a man to find something to negate a subexpression) 11:48:38 *** BurningFeetMan_ [n=BurningF@60.227.109.191] has joined #openttd 11:48:43 <Sacro> blathijs: ive spent ages looking at regex sheets, and i suddenly thought that maybe grep would do it 11:48:44 *** BurningFeetMan_ [n=BurningF@60.227.109.191] has quit [Client Quit] 11:50:01 <SpComb> so indeed, chain two greps 11:50:18 <SpComb> grep foo blaafile | grep -v bar 11:51:00 <blathijs> perhaps you could use (3030){0} to match '3030' exactly 0 times 11:51:05 <blathijs> not sure if that would work, though 11:52:39 *** Marce_ [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #openttd 11:52:46 *** Marce [i=marce@213.239.249.194] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:52:52 *** Marce_ is now known as Marce 11:52:57 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 11:58:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> exactly 0 times... that is a very intresting thought ;) 12:00:52 *** Frostregen_ [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-189-006.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:00:59 *** Frostregen_ [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-189-006.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:03:25 <RichK67_wrk> SpComb: that will (should) find each line, but i want to exclude any *file* that has 3030, rather than just the line... (and this is in 2500 .txt files, so you can see why i dont want to do this manually ;) ) 12:05:47 *** BurningFeetMan [n=BurningF@CPE-60-227-109-191.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:07:01 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:07:30 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.248.83] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:08:25 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.248.83] has joined #openttd 12:19:12 *** Frostregen [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-190-209.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:21:26 <Nickman87> hi all 12:26:59 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B764DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:41 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 12:42:56 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:44:01 <Sacro> hey Nickman87 12:45:11 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [n=johekr@p54B75B92.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:45:30 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@cpe.atm2-0-11071.0x535a09ce.odnxx7.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:46:34 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@cpe.atm2-0-11071.0x535a09ce.odnxx7.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Client Quit] 12:46:57 <Nickman87> hi :) 12:49:51 <SpComb> blathijs: isn't that essentially a null? 12:51:02 <SpComb> RichK67_wrk: you want a list of the files that have something in them, but also don't have 3030? 12:51:21 <SpComb> perhaps some scripting and for:ing through the files 12:51:37 <blathijs> SpComb: I'm afraid so :-) 12:52:38 <blathijs> yup, it is :-) 12:54:23 <RichK67_wrk> its ok, ive sorted it... ugly solution, but i only needed a solution, not elegance :) 12:54:32 <valhallazzzw> good boy :p 12:56:08 <blathijs> RichK67_wrk: for i in *; if [ \! -z `grep 3030 $i` ]; echo $i; done; 12:56:19 <blathijs> + syntactic sugar 12:56:45 <Sacro> \! ? 12:57:07 <blathijs> Sacro: man [ 12:57:12 <spiff> negation 12:57:17 <blathijs> yup 12:57:20 <spiff> blathijs: man [? seriously? 12:57:24 <blathijs> the \ is to prevent bash from doing scary shit 12:57:25 <spiff> haha 12:57:27 <blathijs> spiff: I'm afraid so 12:57:35 <Sacro> blathijs: No manual entry for [ 12:57:39 <spiff> blathijs: == man test 12:57:42 <blathijs> matthijs@katherina:~$ which [ 12:57:42 <blathijs> /usr/bin/[ 12:57:54 <spiff> I thought [ was a shell construct 12:57:59 <Sacro> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2006-07-09 20:13 /usr/bin/[ -> test 12:58:04 <blathijs> it is in some shells 12:58:21 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:58:32 <Sacro> hmm, strange, when i type "[", i get "missing ] 12:58:40 * kjetil doesn't see the point in \! 12:58:44 <Sacro> but when i do /usr/bin/[ it says nothing 12:59:23 <blathijs> kjetil: no, I think the intended behaviour was without the ! 13:01:58 <RichK67_wrk> blathijs: very nice, but not much use on windows :) 13:02:02 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.248.83] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:02:26 <blathijs> How to solve a trivial problem: 13:02:36 <blathijs> Step 1: get a decent OS (or at least a decent shell) ;-p 13:03:16 <RichK67_wrk> lol: how to make a trivial problem non-trivial; try to persuade your boss you have the time to do step 1 ;) 13:03:58 <ln-> http://phaser.gfxile.net/best_captcha_ever.png 13:06:31 <peter1138> uh 13:07:04 <spiff> hahaha 13:10:23 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181086112.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 13:11:04 <Bjarni> ln-: it says a4o(something)9 13:11:06 <Bjarni> I think 13:11:18 <Bjarni> but I'm not sure 13:11:35 <Bjarni> luckily they added a button to get a new string :) 13:13:22 <ln-> the new strings aren't any better. :) 13:13:56 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has left #openttd [] 13:16:42 <Belugas> hi there 13:20:22 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B764DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 13:20:59 <RichK67_wrk> gotta go work 13:21:01 <RichK67_wrk> bye 13:21:02 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 13:23:59 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:17 *** Kaze [n=Kaze2564@c-69-142-213-138.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:24 <Kaze> hi 13:25:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B764DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:26:58 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B764DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:29:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B764DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:29:40 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-209-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:32:15 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCF2541.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 13:40:05 *** Nubi [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 13:51:25 <CIA-5> truelight * r5603 /branches/TGP/tree_cmd.c: 13:51:25 <CIA-5> -Fix: tree placing was really slow because if it couldn't find a place, it kept 13:51:25 <CIA-5> on trying many times. Reduced the times for TG a bit, and even more for the old 13:51:25 <CIA-5> generator, because in most map-types it just never finds a spot. This increases 13:51:25 <CIA-5> map generation speed with a big factor. 13:52:24 <Eddi|zuHause> "by" a factor 14:02:33 <CIA-5> truelight * r5604 /branches/TGP/tree_cmd.c: -Fix: redid 5603: there is absolutely no reason to scale the tries of a 16x16 swuare around a tile with the map-size.. the 16x16 block stays 16x16. Yet an other big speed-up :) 14:04:17 *** Frostregen [i=SADDAM@dslb-084-058-103-100.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:07:30 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC7FDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:08:46 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B811E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:16:32 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [") td@projectjj.com - http://projectjj.com/ ("] 14:19:42 *** Mucht|work [n=Mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 14:22:20 <CIA-5> truelight * r5605 /branches/TGP/ (8 files): 14:22:20 <CIA-5> -Codechange: removed GenerateWorld from misc.c and gave it his own file. This in preperation of Threaded Land Generation 14:22:20 <CIA-5> -Codechange: renamed tgp_gui.c to genworld_gui.c, because it will be the GUI for all generators (not yet, but will be ;)) 14:24:09 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:24:22 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 14:33:57 *** mrzero [i=mrzero@unaffiliated/mrzero] has quit ["leaving"] 14:35:23 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B811E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 14:36:01 *** Kaze [n=Kaze2564@c-69-142-213-138.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [] 14:37:12 *** egladil [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has joined #openttd 14:38:04 *** mrzero [i=mrzero@unaffiliated/mrzero] has joined #openttd 14:46:00 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E9AB.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:46:04 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E9AB.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 14:57:12 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 15:01:41 *** Ihmemies_ [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:02:14 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B357B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:12:41 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:15:14 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:16:04 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:16:30 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:43 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@87.203.219.57] has joined #openttd 15:33:39 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181114230.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:44:57 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.248.83] has joined #openttd 15:47:09 *** valhallazzzw is now known as valhallasw 15:49:49 *** Mucht|work [n=Mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:02:00 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:03:04 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@ip503c308c.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:09:29 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:10:30 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 16:10:46 *** egladil_ibook [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:11:50 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:19:45 *** egladil [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:26:00 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@87.203.219.57] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:26:40 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 16:30:39 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Client Quit] 16:31:16 *** Angst [n=Angst@p5494593C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:29 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:41:01 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.248.83] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:43:54 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F98E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:58 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host86-238.pool870.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 16:45:25 <Wolf01> yo 16:47:31 <Nubi> hello 16:47:42 <Nubi> can i override during the game diffucity settings on dedicated server? 16:47:51 <Nubi> i mean openttd.cfg and load from saved game 16:49:54 <peter1138> no 16:53:04 <Frostregen> you could load the game into singleplayer, change the settings, then load back into server 17:00:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B764DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 17:01:28 *** egladil_ibook is now known as egladil 17:03:07 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.248.83] has joined #openttd 17:05:25 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 17:07:07 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B357B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:14:39 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:20:10 <Maedhros> has anyone got the Canadian stations set to work in openttd? it's complaining that i don't have "at least pseudo-TTDPatch version 2.5 beta 1" 17:22:03 *** [Shaman] [n=nnscript@ip503c1f52.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:24:18 *** Trippledence__ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 17:25:47 <peter1138> and indeed you don't 17:26:02 <peter1138> they do, mostly, work with that check updated 17:26:10 <Sacro> helloooooooo peoples 17:26:26 <peter1138> sacromental 17:26:49 <Sacro> peter...borough 17:41:22 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:56:08 *** Zavior [i=Zavior@dyn3-143.adsl.mpynet.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 17:59:37 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:02:59 *** Zavior [i=Zavior@dyn3-143.adsl.mpynet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:03:13 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:04:17 *** Nubi [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:08:18 *** Zavior [i=Zavior@dyn3-143.adsl.mpynet.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 18:13:16 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:13:57 *** Zavior [i=Zavior@dyn3-143.adsl.mpynet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:15:14 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@87.203.219.57] has joined #openttd 18:15:29 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 18:19:11 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [") td@projectjj.com - http://projectjj.com/ ("] 18:25:04 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 18:26:26 <Maedhros> well, the answer appears to be more-or-less, "yes", with (or despite) my editing of the grf file :) 18:28:40 <Sacro> Maedhros: you could get OpenTTD to respond Yes, to the question, Are you TTDPatch :) 18:32:37 <CIA-5> tron * r5606 /trunk/water_cmd.c: Replace some magic numbers by proper TrackBits enums and macros 18:37:09 <Tron> newgrf.c:1978ff 18:37:32 <Tron> just change the numbers there to make ottd pretend to be another version of ttdp 18:41:12 <Maedhros> that's an easier way. thanks :) 18:42:02 <Sacro> :O 18:42:19 <Sacro> its a Mr Tron 18:44:33 <Rens2Sea> is it me or are trucks incredible stupid? 18:45:58 <Wolf01> both :) 18:46:49 <Sacro> Wolf01 is stupid, or italian, or both :) 18:46:56 <Wolf01> both 18:48:36 <Rens2Sea> :o 18:48:51 <Rens2Sea> making a huge network with trucks only is kinda impossible then 18:49:41 <valhallasw> Sacro: that's an inefficient query 18:49:57 <valhallasw> (stupid or italian) or (stupid and italian) = stupid or italian 18:50:23 <Rens2Sea> oh that's just great, my oil refinery just exploded :o 18:50:24 <Sacro> valhallasw: hmmm 18:50:40 <Sacro> stupid xor italian, or both 18:50:47 <valhallasw> yes 18:50:54 <valhallasw> but that is just stupid or italian 18:51:01 <valhallasw> which means it's still inefficient 18:51:48 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B811E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:53:22 <Sacro> oh well, bite me :P 18:54:17 * Belugas takes a large chunk of Sacro 18:55:30 * valhallasw takes the rest of Sacro 18:55:41 <Sacro> :( 18:55:56 <Belugas> what??? He's still alive???? 19:00:01 <Sacro> just... 19:02:47 *** stavrosg_ [n=stavrosg@athedsl-61931.otenet.gr] has joined #openttd 19:03:00 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@87.203.219.57] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:03:22 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 19:06:07 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Quit"] 19:07:04 <Belugas> tt-forums.net not found??? 19:07:26 <SpComb> your dns is broken 19:08:15 <Belugas> mmm 19:08:29 <Belugas> tx for info 19:18:29 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:18:34 <CIA-5> tron * r5607 /trunk/roadveh_cmd.c: -Regression: Let a road vehicle only overtake if there is no vehicle close except the two involved 19:21:59 *** KUDr_wrk [n=KUDr@195.39.113.200] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:33:57 *** OwenS [n=OwenS@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:36:57 *** jonty-comp 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Belugas_Gone 21:11:38 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80502.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:11:59 <Belugas_Gone> nigh all 21:14:25 *** Angst [n=Angst@p5494593C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["gn"] 21:16:09 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:16:12 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host86-238.pool870.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 21:22:15 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B811E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:22:48 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 21:22:50 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B811E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:24:03 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80B14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:24:37 *** stavrosg_ [n=stavrosg@athedsl-61931.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:32:26 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 21:32:56 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-49-113.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 110 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your big airport has half the planes landing with the wind 22:16:00 <RichK67> its a swirling vortex around the airport... cant you tell ;) 22:16:53 <RichK67> maybe i should increase the number of crash landings to account for microbursts... :) 22:19:06 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@5634ff2a.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 22:25:16 <CIA-5> glx * r5608 /branches/TGP/ (openttd.vcproj openttd_vs80.vcproj): [TGP] - Update MSVC project files 22:26:45 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 22:29:43 *** Ihmemies_ [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 22:32:25 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:32:58 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:35:30 *** __max_ is now known as _max_ 22:40:47 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 22:48:15 <Bjarni> <RichK67> maybe i should increase the number of crash landings to account for microbursts... :) <-- I hate when games get such features since there is really nothing you can do about it. If the airport got a dangerous wind, then the game engine do not support easy access to send all the planes to another airport 22:50:40 <RichK67> i was kidding ;) 22:51:17 <RichK67> (hence the smiley) 22:56:11 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC7FDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:02:47 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:02:48 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 23:04:36 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 23:05:05 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Quit"] 23:06:32 *** valhallasw [n=valhalla@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit ["vacation etc :w"] 23:15:05 *** Trippledence__ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 23:15:05 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:15:44 *** BurningFeetMan [n=BurningF@CPE-203-51-109-69.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:17:24 <Brianetta> Why can't I tow an EMU with a diesel shunter? 23:21:27 <RichK67> i dont know... why cant you tow an EMU with a diesel shunter? 23:21:58 <RichK67> :) 23:22:52 <RichK67> well.. im tired... gn 23:23:06 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 23:26:22 <BurningFeetMan> Night! 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