Log for #openttd on 9th August 2006:
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00:00:25  <JohnUK89> Yeah, saves a lot of time lol
00:00:54  <JohnUK89> I use mine to get me to and from Sixth Form at the moment
00:01:14  <JohnUK89> Well, I will be come September :P
00:02:16  <Sacro> nice one
00:02:48  <JohnUK89> Yeah, already been doing it for a year...the stupid Leeds Education board pulled the plug on me free bus :-\
00:03:18  <Sacro> idiots
00:03:24  <JohnUK89> Yep
00:04:07  <JohnUK89> Mind you I'll be getting £30 a week for just being an idle slacker and doing no work at all :P
00:04:08  <Sacro> im hoping to start my degree in september/october
00:04:18  <Sacro> damn you and your EMA
00:04:18  <JohnUK89> Ooh nice one :)
00:04:24  <JohnUK89> Hehehe
00:05:19  <JohnUK89> It'll all go towards a new box I'll be building meself
00:05:25  <Sacro> though im hoping to get my £660 course fees paid, as well as £500 towards a new box
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00:05:42  <Sacro> maybe a MiniIN server will be run on it
00:05:43  <JohnUK89> Yeah
00:05:50  <JohnUK89> Lol
00:06:00  <Sacro> and im gonna try and get £30 for ADSL
00:06:16  <JohnUK89> Good idea
00:06:44  <Sacro> unless job centre be a bunch of arses and wont let me
00:06:55  <JohnUK89> I wanna move actually, but no money coming in, and nowhere to go :-\
00:07:55  <Sacro> well i work for a student acommodation place in Hull
00:08:07  <Sacro> so im going to rent off them hopefully
00:08:18  <JohnUK89> Good idea that lol
00:08:34  <Sacro> yep
00:09:31  <JohnUK89> But yeah, I need to get outta here, I'm fed up with the isolation (and don't mention the parents_
00:09:33  <JohnUK89> )*
00:10:48  <Sacro> i hate my mum
00:11:15  <JohnUK89> My mum's the one that's keeping me dad's a complete tw*t
00:12:24  <Sacro> twit :P
00:12:34  <JohnUK89> Yep! hehe
00:12:42  <Sacro> i never see my dad, and i hate living with my mum
00:12:51  <JohnUK89> Damn :S
00:12:52  <Sacro> aside from the sky...and the 2.5 MB ADSL
00:13:31  <JohnUK89> Lol
00:14:06  <JohnUK89> I don't care about Sky...don't watch telly other than Top Gear...and since we can;t get ADSL here there's no reason for me to stay :P
00:15:57  <Sacro> heh, me too, top gear and f1
00:16:10  <JohnUK89> Ooh couldn't forget F1 lol
00:16:15  <JohnUK89> FINALLY
00:16:20  <JohnUK89> He got a win
00:16:24  <JohnUK89> FINALLY! :P
00:16:27  <Sacro> yep
00:16:40  <JohnUK89> Took his time about it tho lol
00:16:48  <Sacro> there where a few of us in #tycoon on quakenet discussing it as it happened
00:16:55  <Sacro> watching...waiting...
00:17:15  <JohnUK89> lol
00:19:01  <JohnUK89> Good race :-D
00:19:43  <Sacro> amazing race
00:20:54  <JohnUK89> brb
00:21:20  <Sacro> okies, i think its nearly bedtime
00:22:27  <JohnUK89> Back, and its nearly bedtime here too...pretty tired lol
00:23:18  <Sacro> im at work in 12 hours :(
00:23:21  <Sacro> well, getting ready to catch the bus
00:23:21  <JohnUK89> Damn :(
00:23:29  <JohnUK89> Least it's bringing money in
00:24:21  <Sacro> yeah, and i see some sexy girls
00:24:31  <JohnUK89> Lol lucky sod
00:24:43  <Sacro> ;)
00:24:49  <Sacro> Hull Uni students mainly
00:24:57  <JohnUK89> Lol
00:25:49  <JohnUK89> I may have to find my way to your workplace ;-)
00:26:41  <Sacro>
00:27:01  <JohnUK89> Ooh lol
00:27:25  <Sacro> please dont attempt SQL injection attacks... i havent the effort to fix them
00:27:40  <JohnUK89> Lol I wouldnt know how to
00:27:46  <Sacro> good
00:28:02  <JohnUK89> I'm law abiding anyway :)
00:28:02  <Sacro> im not sure how resilient the site is to them
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00:30:16  <JohnUK89> Right I need sleep lol
00:30:27  <Sacro> night mate
00:30:31  <JohnUK89> Night :)
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03:04:47  <Noldo> morning
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08:08:15  <Darkvater> morning
08:08:19  <Darkvater> michi_cc: ping
08:10:32  <ln-> good morning, muad'dib
08:11:48  <Darkvater> hi
08:12:03  <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: pong ?
08:12:41  <Darkvater> are you michi_cc ? ;)
08:13:50  <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: no, but one of the most common nick-completion mistakes to complete my nick to michi_cc
08:14:15  <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: hence there was a question mark behind the pong
08:17:02  <Darkvater> hehe, pong-denied ;p
08:19:00  <Darkvater> oh btw, does anyone speak portugese here?
08:22:26  <MiHaMiX> don't count on me :)
08:24:28  <Darkvater> hehe
08:24:43  <Darkvater> I got an email in portugese from some guy about openttd
08:25:00  <Darkvater> so I reply to him if he can write it in english cause my portugese is... let's say not the best
08:25:18  <Darkvater> so he puts it through an online translator and sends the transcript to me ;p
08:25:22  <Darkvater> making absolutely no sense
08:32:42  <MiHaMiX> :DDDDD
08:33:26  <hylje> :D
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08:35:06  <Darkvater> hiya RichK67_wrk
08:35:11  <RichK67_wrk> hi
08:44:46  <ln-> Darkvater: you should have asked him to send it in hungarian or dutch
08:48:01  <Darkvater> lol
08:48:10  <hylje> in AAAAAAAAA!?
08:48:40  <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5813 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add x64 target to VS2005 project files (michi_cc)
08:49:44  <Darkvater> how sad is this guy?
08:49:46  <Darkvater>      Aug. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Floyd Landis said he may have
08:49:46  <Darkvater> unknowingly ingested something that could have caused two drug
08:49:46  <Darkvater> tests to show high levels of testosterone in his body during
08:49:46  <Darkvater> cycling's Tour de France.
08:50:11  <Darkvater>      ``I don't know if it's somehow or some way I ingested
08:50:11  <Darkvater> something that caused the tests to be that way,'' the race
08:50:17  <Darkvater> haha
08:50:25  <publunch> Didn't he have a few beers the night before the samples were taken?
08:51:59  <Darkvater> and beer increases testosterone and makes him cycle his best day ever ;p
08:55:01  <RichK67_wrk> i dont think he is that stupid - "hmm... lets take something to improve my performance and ill make sure im not noticed... " then he goes and destroys the field and wins a stunning stage... doesnt make sense to be that dumb
08:55:22  <RichK67_wrk> he would know he would be tested and fail
08:55:37  <RichK67_wrk> so i dont think he *knowingly* took something
08:56:36  <Darkvater> he looked pretty guilty to me on tv yesterday
08:56:49  <hylje> :o
08:56:59  <hylje> "he looks guilty, shoot him"
08:57:03  <RichK67_wrk> arguing for your innocence is difficult against hard numbers
08:57:15  <Darkvater> I don't really care about cycling, but I remember it was even on the news that he had a fuckin' great day that day beating everyone
08:57:29  <publunch> Well, professional cyclists have to be very careful about what they eat I guess.  Like you have to be careful what you feed racehorses with.
08:57:34  <RichK67_wrk> however, its "absolute liability"... if its in you, its your responsibility
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08:58:37  <JohnUK89> Morning :)
08:58:54  <publunch> Morning.
08:59:12  <publunch> 43 years since The Great Train Robbery.
09:00:16  <RichK67_wrk> thing is tho... he was definitely *very* pumped up on that day... but it could be from anger at his previous day, and then pushing himself really hard increased his levels... sort of chicken and egg thing... did he boost his testosterone to get pumped up, or in getting pumped up did he (naturally) boost his testosterone... it needs to be worked out...
09:03:13  <Darkvater> yep, he's in deep trouble
09:03:30  <Darkvater> slightly off-topic E U R U S D  Up  1 . 2 8 6 4   + . 0 0 2 6
09:03:34  <Darkvater> yaay *D
09:03:49  * Darkvater can't wait to spend money at
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09:07:39  <peter1138> ...
09:08:38  <Darkvater> morning peter1138
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09:13:41  <peter1138> hello
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09:24:45  <Darkvater> peter1138: I would like to say "hogy ityeg a fityeg", but you wouldn't understand ;p
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09:25:30  <Darkvater> (roughly translated it means: "how's your thingie dangling?" (eg "how's life"))
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09:29:17  <peter1138> it's hanging well
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09:31:17  <Darkvater> that's nice to hear :)
09:31:42  <peter1138> hungry though
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09:31:49  <Darkvater> can imagine
09:31:50  <hylje> merge bridges into trunk already
09:31:56  <peter1138> didn't have breakfast as i ran out of time trying to get my machine to boot
09:32:10  <Darkvater> :(
09:32:28  <peter1138> it booted but didn't start X
09:32:39  <peter1138> then i rebooted and the drive doesn't show up in the bios
09:32:42  <Darkvater> home-machine?
09:32:45  <peter1138> ya
09:32:49  <Darkvater> that sucks
09:33:00  <Darkvater> is it "fixed"?
09:33:05  <peter1138> no, i left it
09:33:07  <Darkvater> eg. did a kick work?
09:33:11  <peter1138> hehe
09:33:32  <peter1138> i'm thinking i need to build a new machine with a raid array
09:33:35  <peter1138> shame they're noisy though
09:33:41  <Darkvater> :)
09:33:51  <Zavior> Why would they be noisy :e
09:34:05  <hylje> but anyway
09:34:08  <peter1138> 1) more drives = more noise
09:34:13  <Darkvater> you know what I've been thinking? Throwing out my old machine and buying some NAS box to use instead of burning dvd's like a madman
09:34:14  <peter1138> 2) more fans to cool it = more noise
09:34:18  <hylje> when do you start merging cool stuff
09:34:22  <hylje> after .4.8?
09:34:37  <peter1138> when it's ready
09:34:42  <Darkvater> when people have time to finish it
09:35:25  <peter1138> hmm, maybe a 3 drive mirror
09:35:34  <peter1138> though that's wasteful
09:35:36  <Darkvater> offtopic: how do you expres in english something that is full of holes?
09:35:45  <Darkvater> eg you got a series of data, but several of them are missing
09:36:03  <hylje> cheese
09:36:33  <Darkvater> calling support: your data sucks, it's all cheese!
09:36:39  * Darkvater doesn't think that'll work
09:37:27  <RichK67_wrk> "with data like this, do you work for Microsoft??" ;)
09:37:47  <peter1138> hmm, why am i looking at SATA RAID enclosures? i don't need hotswap on a home machine ^^
09:38:52  <SpComb> of course you do!
09:39:08  <Darkvater> I don't think you want to buy non-sata drives anymore these days
09:39:22  * Darkvater shudders even at the thought of those monstrous ATA100 cables
09:39:30  <peter1138> no, but i don't need a hotswap enclosure
09:40:18  <SpComb> linux software raid!
09:40:38  * SpComb bought three 250 GB SATA2 drives for ~247 euros
09:40:49  <Darkvater> total?
09:41:10  <peter1138> raid 5?
09:41:43  <SpComb> total
09:41:47  <MiHaMiX> SpComb: that was expensive, I could've bought that for ~150 euros
09:41:52  <SpComb> I live in finland
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09:42:08  <SpComb> and they weren't the cheapest drive, I could have got WDs for less
09:42:11  * SpComb took three Hitachis
09:42:38  <SpComb> in the US they sell them for practicalyl free or something :/
09:42:39  <MiHaMiX> SpComb: well, official hungarian pricelists are more-or-less the same... the key here is that I can buy directly from the importer :)
09:42:42  <ln-> SpComb: did you buy maxtor?
09:43:09  <Born_Acorn> Maxtor : Cereal of Champions
09:43:11  <Zavior> [12:41:35] : SpComb took three Hitachis
09:43:14  <Zavior> (:
09:43:20  <SpComb> MiHaMiX: I'm not so lucky
09:43:50  <peter1138> maxtor--
09:44:13  <MiHaMiX> SpComb: i purchased two 200G SATA2 drive recently for ~103 euros
09:44:25  <Darkvater> yeah, maxtor's bad. although their service is good, replaced all my faulty drvies for free
09:44:34  <Darkvater> donnu if I should be too happy about that though
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09:44:51  <peter1138> is DDR2 PC6400 worth it?
09:44:52  <SpComb> MiHaMiX: 250GB SATA2 drives are 77 euros here for the cheapest
09:45:09  <SpComb> I don't know the importer personally or whatever you do
09:45:21  <peter1138> 5-5-5-12 vs 4-4-4-12 for PC5400...
09:46:24  <peter1138> ouch 3-4-3-9 PC6400 = £330
09:46:27  <peter1138> (for 2GB)
09:49:29  <Darkvater> england's pretty expensive
09:49:40  <SpComb> eh?
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09:49:54  <Darkvater> looking at the prices it's about ~300 euros
09:50:43  <Darkvater> although it is 2x1GB
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09:52:27  <MiHaMiX> 		for (x = mconf->proj_x1; x < mconf->proj_x2; x++) {
09:52:27  <MiHaMiX>
09:52:27  <MiHaMiX> 		}
09:52:33  <MiHaMiX> sorry
09:57:54  <peter1138> yeah, that was 2 x 1GB
09:58:04  <peter1138> it is the most expensive stuff though
10:00:06  <SpComb> <-- 200 GB SATA2 @ 67,80 EUR
10:00:21  <SpComb> cheapest 200 GB drive finland has to offer (well, out of the major online stores at least)
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10:41:38  <Darkvater> < lunch
10:41:56  <Guest56> mahlzeit
10:45:15  * peter1138 eats Darkvater
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11:06:48  <MiHaMiX> Darkvater is not edible
11:07:16  <MiHaMiX> at least, not without roasting or cooking :D
11:11:37  * Maedhros cries
11:12:03  <Maedhros> just when i thought i'd got all the issues with diagonal railways sorted out, i find some strange interaction with foundations and catenaries :(
11:14:10  <peter1138> heh
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11:35:17  * Darkvater doesn't like being eaten
11:37:50  <Zavior> No more brianetta's nightly :<
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11:44:05  <roboman> gnight
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11:46:30  <Darkvater> oi
11:46:32  <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: and how about being roasted or cooked?
11:46:56  <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: :)
11:47:07  <Darkvater> hmm, I'd prefer roasted
11:47:30  <Darkvater> just love the smell of roasted flesh
11:47:41  <MiHaMiX> :D
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11:48:35  <Darkvater> although a cooked ulok...
11:48:37  <Darkvater> csulok
11:50:27  <MiHaMiX> :D
11:50:38  <Sacro> afternoon all
11:50:52  <peter1138> heh
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12:00:57  <mikl> if bored, cat /dev/random :)
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12:03:10  <peter1138> must be very bored
12:04:32  <michi_cc> Darkvater: pong? still current?
12:07:03  <Darkvater> michi_cc: yes ;p
12:07:06  <Darkvater> hang on
12:07:07  <Darkvater> some work
12:07:13  <michi_cc> sorry, was away
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12:08:34  <Darkvater> pfft, retards at work
12:08:44  <Darkvater> Hmmm, ok. We made a change in the week to fix a bug that allowed users to access the data who shouldn't have been. It looks like this has broken something else. I'll get this looked into straight away
12:09:13  <Darkvater> + it isn't even proper english
12:09:38  <Darkvater> michi_cc: anyways, I forgot which zlib+libpng version the libraries were you sent me
12:11:37  <michi_cc> Darkvater: the current versions, e.g. zlib 1.2.3 and libpng 1.2.12
12:15:05  <peter1138> heh
12:17:38  <Sacro> whoo finally, OTP for online banking
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12:21:11  <Darkvater> michi_cc: kk, great
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12:21:20  <michi_cc> np
12:21:58  <Darkvater> michi_cc: after I've bullied peter1138 into finishing UTF8, you'll need to make freetype libraries as well ;). I have the headers all set up, so will send them over in due time
12:22:22  <michi_cc> okay, I'll look into that
12:23:08  <michi_cc> freetype 1 or 2?
12:23:24  <peter1138> 2
12:23:44  <Darkvater> 2
12:23:48  <peter1138> not that the utf8 stuff *needs* it
12:24:01  <Darkvater> it doesn't need it? o_O
12:24:21  <peter1138> it can fallback to using sprites
12:24:32  <Sacro> time for work...
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12:25:14  <Darkvater> peter1138: ah. That is nice :). But still drawing sprites for every language ;p
12:25:18  <peter1138> which runs into 'someone has to draw them' and 'run out of sprites'
12:26:04  <Darkvater> :)
12:26:30  <Darkvater> there's a guy on the forums who has loaded about 30-40 newgrf's and he's now surprised he's run out of sprites
12:26:34  <Darkvater> hehe
12:26:44  <Darkvater> whatever happened to the increase of sprite-num?
12:26:44  <peter1138> also it uses the (existing) newgrf spec for loading glyphs, so some are bound to hate it ;)
12:27:11  <peter1138> Darkvater: well, you can make spriteid 32 bit...
12:27:13  <peter1138> errr
12:27:13  <peter1138> 64 bit
12:27:14  <peter1138> or
12:27:24  <peter1138> split the sprite and palette parts into separate 32 bit ints
12:27:28  <Darkvater> no, the 16K limit
12:27:38  <peter1138> yes
12:29:04  <Darkvater> how many of those do we use for additional information?
12:29:09  <Darkvater> eg transparent, recolorize, etc/
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12:29:57  * Darkvater still really has no idea about the sprite system :(
12:30:01  <Darkvater> only the general outline
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12:47:32  <Darkvater> anyone portugese here?
12:49:05  <Darkvater> or familiar with it
12:50:46  <MiHaMiX> once I saw a portuguese guy... is that counts? :P
12:51:02  <Darkvater> that counts is not
12:51:47  <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: kuldd el a levelet nekem, ha nem bizalmas, es tovabbitom a portugal forditoknak, hogy forditsak le. Ehhez mit szolsz?
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12:52:14  <MiHaMiX> it was a quick visit :)
12:52:17  <Darkvater> mihamix - openttd - org?
12:52:25  <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: yes
12:53:13  <Darkvater> sent
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12:53:49  <MiHaMiX> received
12:53:51  <Darkvater> thx MiHaMiX
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13:02:32  <Darkvater> wb JohnUK81
13:02:38  <Darkvater> we are honoured byyour visit
13:02:53  <JohnUK81> Cant change me nick lol.../nick isnt workin :-\
13:02:59  <glx> JohnUK81: using phone?
13:03:05  <JohnUK81> Yeah glx
13:03:17  <Darkvater> poor sod
13:03:29  <JohnUK81> All hail 9.6k! :-\
13:04:03  <Darkvater> hehe
13:04:19  *** JohnUK81 is now known as JohnUK89_
13:04:26  <JohnUK89_> Right I can change it to that
13:04:27  <JohnUK89_> Lol
13:04:32  *** JohnUK89_ is now known as JohnUK81
13:04:40  <JohnUK81> But I cant nab me regged nick :-\
13:05:17  <Darkvater> which one?
13:05:27  *** JohnUK81 is now known as JohnUK89
13:05:30  <JohnUK89> That one :P
13:05:43  <Darkvater> register your nick
13:05:48  <JohnUK89> I have done lol
13:05:52  <Darkvater> then you can "ghost" the old one to kill it
13:06:03  <Born_Acorn> Kill it!
13:06:05  <JohnUK89> I already ghosted it...about 5 seconds back :)
13:06:12  <Darkvater> ah
13:06:12  <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: mail forwarded
13:06:30  <hapo>
13:06:36  <JohnUK89> For some reason it was still connected from ages ago
13:07:49  <JohnUK89> Oh well...sorted now :)
13:08:06  <Darkvater> thx MiHaMiX
13:14:25  <Darkvater> hapo: hehe
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13:14:47  <Darkvater> my skills also include "ls, cd, rm, mkdir and many others"
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13:15:53  <JohnUK89> Bah
13:15:59  <Darkvater> nice jojo
13:28:55  <Born_Acorn> My hardcore skills inlclude <p></p>, <b></b>, <i></i> and <u></u>. Oh, yes, I know a bit of HTML too.
13:29:42  <peter1138> and new waypoints
13:29:52  <peter1138> fully fluent in ms paint
13:30:00  <Born_Acorn> paint!
13:30:04  <Born_Acorn> codination!
13:30:08  <Born_Acorn> newsounds!
13:30:11  <Born_Acorn> AV8!
13:30:13  <Born_Acorn> etc.
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13:30:46  <Darkvater> heh, look who's back
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13:31:20  <peter1138> the boys? they're back in town?
13:31:33  <JohnUK89> Stoopid phone lol
13:34:49  * JohnUK89 wants to move...that way I could get ADSL lol
13:35:06  * Darkvater moves JohnUK89 over by the window
13:35:18  <JohnUK89> Lol
13:35:41  * JohnUK89 thinks about building a cantenna :P
13:36:53  <Darkvater> how does a cantenna help?
13:37:33  <Eddi|zuHause> how would i imagine what a cantenna looks like? :)
13:37:59  <JohnUK89> Darkvater, I live on a plain, if I get the alignment of the thing right I might pick up a WLAN :P
13:38:16  <Darkvater> ;p
13:38:33  <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause: probabl a pringles box with a wire :p
13:38:54  <JohnUK89> Darkvater: I heard sardine cans work
13:39:48  <Darkvater> arne't those too shallow?
13:40:03  <JohnUK89> I would have thought so...I wouldn't trust them
13:40:34  <Born_Acorn> Pringles wo
13:40:34  <Born_Acorn> o
13:40:52  <JohnUK89> Yeah, best bit of making the thing...eating the Pringles :P
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13:56:53  <JohnUK89> Hmm my connection completely sucks...
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14:16:49  <mikk36> what conn ?
14:17:12  <glx> GPRS
14:17:21  <JohnUK89> 9.6k orr a mobile lol
14:17:25  <JohnUK89> off*
14:17:29  <JohnUK89> the GPRS modem is knackered
14:17:35  <mikk36> olol ?
14:17:49  <mikk36> net over GSM, mwhahahaaa
14:18:14  <mikk36> how's latency now ?
14:18:21  <mikk36> still same .9 sec ?
14:18:30  <JohnUK89> Dunno lol
14:18:37  <JohnUK89> Seems worse
14:18:41  <mikk36> and how's the pricing per minute ?
14:19:12  <JohnUK89> *koff* :P
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14:19:30  <mikk36> lol
14:20:27  <JohnUK89> (ie, it doesnt cost me owt)
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14:24:36  <JohnUK89> Ello Bjarni
14:24:45  <Bjarni> hello people
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14:26:23  <Brianetta> GSM is cheaper than GPRS
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14:26:36  <Brianetta> unless you kill off your idle channels and don't browse the web
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14:27:05  <JohnUK89> Brianetta: I tend not to browse much
14:27:16  <hylje> gprs is currently cheaper
14:27:24  <Brianetta> I don't browse at all on GPRS
14:27:25  <hylje> 10euro per month, no matter how much you use it
14:27:29  <Brianetta> Just IM and a bit of IRC
14:27:48  <Brianetta> Mine's GBP0.005 per 1KB
14:27:51  <JohnUK89> I'm in an AOL chat room, MSN and IRC lol
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14:28:04  <sulai> TGP? ;-D
14:28:59  <mikl> my GPRS is DKK10/MB
14:29:29  <mikl> which roughly translates to /MB
14:29:38  <JohnUK89> My GPRS is GBP0.00 per MB :P
14:29:46  <mikl> so checking your email is rather expensive :(
14:30:02  <JohnUK89> But the GPRS modem in me phone is knacked
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14:30:09  <mikl> this is hilarious: :)
14:30:14  <mikk36> Brianetta, how is GSM cheaper ?
14:30:39  <mikk36> at least here they charge for time connected (just like dial-up) for GSM-data
14:30:46  <JohnUK89> here's how I make GSM cheaper...downloading pics from an email lol
14:30:47  <mikk36> for GPRSthey count for thebandwidth
14:31:00  <mikk36> damn spacebar :P
14:31:08  <Bjarni> mikl: actually it's 1.7269 USD or 1.3402 EUR
14:31:09  <Brianetta> mikk36: Yes.  It works out cheaper for me to browse the web at 5p/minute than to browse the web at 0.5p/KB
14:31:29  <mikl> Bjarni: I stand corrected :)
14:31:41  <mikk36> what about irc'ing ?
14:32:02  <JohnUK89> 9.6k boy will brb
14:32:10  <Brianetta> When I IRC I use GPRS
14:32:15  <JohnUK89> lol
14:32:16  <Brianetta> but I never touch the browser
14:32:22  <mikk36> exactly
14:32:26  <Brianetta> I redial when I need to use the web
14:32:35  <Brianetta> or fetch emails
14:32:44  <Brianetta> or grab a security update
14:32:53  * mikk36 used GPRS for ircing when he was in the hospital without ethernet connection
14:32:57  <Bjarni> why do you guys even need to be online though some wireless device?
14:33:06  <mikk36> ethernet was 2 rooms away from me... blaah
14:33:12  <Brianetta> Bjarni: WiFi prices in cafes are ludicrous
14:33:41  <JohnUK89> Back
14:33:45  <Brianetta> OpenTTD over GPRS leads to bankruptcy
14:33:46  <Bjarni> that's not what I asked about :p
14:34:02  <JohnUK89> And I use GSM because the phone line is being used by me dad downloading on 56k :-\
14:34:06  <Brianetta> Well, you need your internet wherever you are, right?
14:34:18  <Bjarni> why do you feel that you need to be connected to the internet all the time instead of just at work/home/school?
14:34:20  <JohnUK89> Brianetta, OTTD over GPRS leads to loss of sync :P
14:34:23  <Brianetta> And that includes railway stations, cafes etc, giht?
14:34:29  <Brianetta> JohnUK89: No, it does not
14:34:36  <Bjarni> I only use DSL when using IRC and it works out ok
14:34:40  <Brianetta> GPRS is easily fast enough
14:34:49  <JohnUK89> Did on my pathetic modem lol
14:35:05  <Brianetta> Bjarni: I have cable at home, and HDSL at work
14:35:08  <mikl> Brianetta: not in Denmark :)
14:35:14  <Brianetta> but everywhere else, it's whatever I can grab
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14:35:38  <Bjarni> <Brianetta>	Bjarni: I have cable at home, and HDSL at work <-- again that's not what I asked for :P
14:35:49  * JohnUK89 has 56k at home...and ADSL at sixth form, but I'm on holiday from the latter
14:35:52  <Brianetta> Bjarni: That was half of my sentence
14:35:56  <Brianetta> you pedantic thing
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14:36:19  <Bjarni> it's just that I don't really see the need for an internet access elsewhere when you got one at home
14:36:21  <mikl> the flames are running high today
14:36:26  <Bjarni> I mean, the internet isn't everything
14:36:36  <mikl> perhaps one should emerge the new OTTD instead of chatting :)
14:36:38  <Brianetta> Bjarni: But what if you'r ein a hotel?  On a boat?  At a market?
14:37:17  <Bjarni> then I would be offline
14:37:20  <Bjarni> go figure ;p
14:37:22  <Brianetta> Well then
14:37:28  <Brianetta> I wouldn't bew
14:37:40  <Brianetta> I'd be happy and online
14:37:46  <Brianetta> instead of crying and offline
14:37:53  <Bjarni> besides... hotel... that's just not me
14:38:05  <Bjarni> haven't been in one for years
14:38:06  <Brianetta> I have a fiancee with expensive tastes
14:38:16  <Brianetta> "Let's go and stay in a hotel"
14:38:52  <Bjarni> while you can find cheaper places to fuck, right?
14:38:54  <Bjarni> :p
14:38:57  <mikl> lol
14:39:03  <Brianetta> I can indeed
14:39:09  <Brianetta> We own three tents (:
14:39:37  <Brianetta> In fact, I'll admit that when I am backpacking I am off line
14:39:42  <Brianetta> but that's about the only time
14:39:43  <Bjarni> sounds boring to have a tent each
14:40:04  <Brianetta> Bjarni: It's not a tent each, it's just that when we replace a perfectly good tent we don't throw it away
14:40:14  <Brianetta> Spares, if you like
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14:40:23  <Bjarni> ahh
14:40:28  <Brianetta> Since the newest one weighs about 2kg (an improvement on 5kg)
14:40:41  <Brianetta> if the 2kg one flies away like a kite, we can still camp
14:40:49  <Bjarni> then it sounds like it's not a good one for the winter time
14:40:58  <Brianetta> Actually, it is
14:41:01  <Brianetta> oddly enough
14:41:04  <mikl> Compiling language origveh <-- Where can you study that?
14:41:07  <Brianetta> but its price did reflect that (:
14:41:32  <Brianetta> The oldest tent is a full-on expedition tent with snow valances and so on
14:41:41  <Bjarni> mikl: at the same location as you can study Klingon, l33t and similar languages
14:41:43  <Bjarni> online
14:41:57  <mikl> k3w1
14:42:00  <Bjarni> hmm
14:42:00  <Brianetta> I speak origveh
14:42:16  <mikl> In a way, we all do ;)
14:42:23  <Brianetta> You say Asiastar, I say Eurostar
14:42:32  <peter1138> whyyyyyyyyyyy, whyyyyy
14:42:33  <Bjarni> actually I thin you have to buy a paperback dictionary for Klingon-English to learn proper Klingon
14:42:49  <Brianetta> Bjarni: You can learn on pay-sites
14:42:51  <hylje> i study AAAAAAAAA!
14:42:55  <Darkvater> I want Klingon <> romulan
14:42:55  <Brianetta> peter1138: becaaaause
14:43:19  <Brianetta> country code .nt = Neutral Zone
14:43:24  <Brianetta> I want to register romulan.nt
14:43:31  <Brianetta> ):
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14:44:07  <Bjarni>
14:44:14  <mikl> Brianetta: what about .nu - thats fairly language-neutral too
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14:44:29  <Brianetta> mikl: It's not the Neutral Zone, so it's not amusing
14:44:45  <Bjarni> lol
14:44:54  <Bjarni> "thank you" ends up as "No Entried Found"
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14:45:20  <Bjarni> the really friendly Klingons :p
14:45:29  <Bjarni> and polite
14:47:38  <sulai> I love TerraGenesis... these worlds are much more exciting!
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14:48:18  <JohnUK89> Hmm downloading OTTD on 9.6k...exciting prospect :-\
14:48:39  <Brianetta> I look foward to TerraGenesis being included in the, er, bleeding edge unstable version of OpenTTD
14:49:16  <Brianetta> Imagine just how experimental and bleeding edge it must be not even to be in the version that isn't even guaranteed to compile!  (:
14:50:20  * JohnUK89 sets off to wait for 30
14:51:01  <mikl> Brianetta: perhaps the 4th-state-of-the-matter-edge :)
14:51:23  <sulai> lol you seem to like blood ^^
14:52:10  <Brianetta> I rely on it.
14:52:11  <Bjarni> <--	Kjetil has quit ("Bytte OS på routeren") <-- so he will not return today? Too bad (for him) :p
14:52:26  <Brianetta> I use blood on a daily, nay, minutely basis.
14:52:44  <StarLite> lol JohnUK89
14:52:50  <StarLite> if we chat more you will download slower
14:52:51  <StarLite> :P
14:53:05  * Brianetta pings JohnUK89 a bit
14:53:06  <mikl> yeah, let's flood JohnUK89 ;)
14:53:21  <JohnUK89> Lol I'm downloading at 843 bytes as it is
14:53:31  <StarLite> lo.
14:53:33  <StarLite> lol
14:53:34  <StarLite> *
14:53:42  <StarLite> i can TYPE faster then that ;) ;)
14:54:24  <JohnUK89> So can I, actually, if I put me mind to it
14:55:12  <JohnUK89> Ctrl-V always helps :P
14:55:29  <mikk36> hmm
14:55:36  <mikk36> 9600/8
14:55:43  <mikk36> 1.2KB/s ?
14:55:56  <JohnUK89> should get thet yeah
14:56:05  <JohnUK89> that*
14:56:05  <JohnUK89> But I'm in IRC lol
14:56:12  <JohnUK89> So I'm geting 0.9k-ish
14:56:40  <mikk36> :)
14:57:03  <JohnUK89> Ooh it's speeding up a bit :)
14:57:10  <mikk36> how big is ottd anyway ?
14:57:28  <JohnUK89> The file I'm getting is 1.56MB
14:57:39  <mikk36> that's about 1600KB then
14:57:48  <mikk36> 1600 seconds
14:57:49  <JohnUK89> Yeah
14:57:49  <mikk36> lol
14:57:52  <mikk36> half an hour :D
14:58:09  <mikk36> wow, u're really back in stone-age :D
14:58:18  <JohnUK89> 26 minutes-ish
14:58:25  <JohnUK89> lol
14:59:12  <JohnUK89> Oh, don't forget the overheads on the connection, realistically I'll max out at 1.1k
14:59:36  <StarLite> well, at least the servers speed is not a worry for you :P
14:59:47  <JohnUK89> Yeah :P
15:00:01  <StarLite> the question remains.. WHY :P
15:00:16  <JohnUK89> Me dad's using the 56k :P
15:00:21  <StarLite> lol!
15:00:24  <JohnUK89> Can't get ADSL or Cable
15:00:38  <Darkvater> this is unheard of
15:00:44  <JohnUK89> And the GPRS modem is pathetic on me phone
15:00:45  <Darkvater> someone give this guy a decent connection
15:00:49  <StarLite> ah, you live in a spot where you cannot even see your neighbours :)
15:01:03  <StarLite> out there
15:01:12  <StarLite> in the beautifull countryside... :P
15:01:36  <JohnUK89> Starlite, yep, noone other than the people right next to me for about 4 or 5 miles :-\
15:01:43  <JohnUK89> I wanna move to a town!
15:01:47  <Darkvater> only sheep ;)
15:01:49  <JohnUK89> OOH! 1.0K!! :P
15:01:54  <Darkvater> interesting prospects
15:02:02  <JohnUK89> Hehe Darkvater, pigs too ;-)
15:02:17  <Darkvater> I wonder what the influence is of a high chat-activity on your download speed?
15:02:22  <mikk36> JohnUK89, do the closest neighbors have decent network ?
15:02:41  <JohnUK89> Mikk, nope
15:02:41  <Darkvater> mikk36: are you suggesting he should put out a cable ;p
15:02:48  <mikk36> Darkvater, propably <30 B/s
15:02:56  <JohnUK89> All dial-up :(
15:03:23  <mikk36> 5 miles with a cable ? not without fibre
15:03:26  <JohnUK89> Well, only me and next but one actually HAVE PCs
15:03:30  <JohnUK89> lol
15:03:55  <JohnUK89> were on about the ones 4 or 5 miles away?
15:04:16  <JohnUK89> Erm, yeah lots do, but I can't see them...trees in the way :(
15:04:48  <mikk36> us
15:04:50  <JohnUK89> Darkvater: my cantenna plan is out the window btw lol
15:04:52  <mikk36> use fibre then :)
15:05:03  <mikk36> and make a deal with the neighbor
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15:05:10  <StarLite> 5 miles with wifi is doable :)
15:05:18  <Darkvater> JohnUK89: you don't like pringles?
15:05:21  <mikk36> StarLite, not with a forest between
15:05:23  <JohnUK89> mikk, You expect me to be able to afford 5 miles of fibre optic cable?
15:05:44  <SpComb> you can share a 56k connection as well
15:05:48  <StarLite> well, with a complete forest.. nah.. but with a few trees you can :)
15:05:50  <SpComb> just set up a small nat
15:06:07  <JohnUK89> Spcomb: no thanks...I can just bump me dad off for that
15:06:30  <JohnUK89> Mind you...the 56k he has acts like 9.6k itself :-\
15:07:05  <Darkvater> you should make a deal with the ants to have them carry the data-packets. Once they're set up, you'll get a pretty steady stream
15:07:08  <JohnUK89>'s sucky AOL
15:07:13  <JohnUK89> Lol
15:07:21  <JohnUK89> LOL Darkvater!
15:07:23  <Darkvater> butta, my work here is done
15:07:30  <Darkvater> another 8 hours wasted \o/
15:07:34  <Darkvater> :)
15:07:34  <mikk36> lol
15:07:40  <Darkvater> see ya tonight
15:07:49  <JohnUK89> Hehe
15:07:49  <mikk36> bye :P
15:08:01  <JohnUK89> See ya Darkvater :)
15:09:05  <JohnUK89> This is peaking at 1.04KB/s lol
15:09:08  <SpComb> 56k is somewhat liveable
15:09:13  <JohnUK89> 6 mins-ish to go lol
15:09:17  <SpComb> I spent about 6 years on a 64k isdn
15:09:46  <JohnUK89> SpComb: Not when it acts like 9.6k :P
15:10:00  <JohnUK89> Me dad barely gets 1K on his downloads
15:10:27  <SpComb> I had about 7KB/s
15:10:50  <JohnUK89> SpComb, lucky sod :P
15:11:18  <SpComb> now I live on the end of a symmetric 15mbit here at school :P
15:11:38  <SpComb> shared, but you can get plenty of bandwidth when you need it
15:11:39  <JohnUK89> Damn you! My school has 6.5MB ADSL
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15:11:56  <SpComb> well, this is a boarding school
15:11:57  <JohnUK89> But it's enough to do all me downloads on when I'm actually there...
15:12:11  <JohnUK89> Which I'm not until
15:12:14  <SpComb> a boarding school for computer-oriented people, you need a good net connection :P
15:12:19  <JohnUK89> Aah lol
15:12:27  <JohnUK89> And they don't block port 6667? Lol
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15:12:42  <SpComb> eh? Why would they?
15:12:45  <SpComb> we live here
15:12:57  <SpComb> and as a matter of fact, I'm the guy with root access to the firewall :P
15:13:07  <SpComb> there are always three student admins
15:13:08  <JohnUK89> Well my school block everything but 8080...the buggers
15:13:21  <SpComb> well, as I said, this is a boarding school, people live here
15:13:23  <JohnUK89> Lol
15:13:31  <JohnUK89> Yeah
15:13:38  * SpComb has his own server here and whatnot
15:14:00  <JohnUK89> Lol
15:14:50  <hylje> :o
15:14:54  <JohnUK89> Oooh nearly done :)
15:15:27  <JohnUK89> Done! :-D
15:16:24  * JohnUK89 goes and has some fun with TGP
15:16:26  <SpComb> but GPRS is enough for IRC
15:17:24  <JohnUK89> Yeah lol
15:17:31  <JohnUK89> But me GPRS modem is knackered
15:18:22  <Eddi|zuHause> i had ISDN for a long time
15:18:25  <JohnUK89> PWOAR@TGP :-D
15:18:27  <Eddi|zuHause> it was actually just fine
15:18:34  <Eddi|zuHause> just you could not get a flatrate
15:18:43  <SpComb> I had a ISDN flatrate and a ISDN modem
15:18:53  <Eddi|zuHause> ISDN has no modem
15:18:56  <Eddi|zuHause> it's digital ;)
15:18:58  <SpComb> ehm, ISDN router
15:19:00  <SpComb> sorry
15:19:09  <SpComb> ISDN end-device with nat and router
15:19:15  <SpComb> and 4-port hub!
15:19:20  <SpComb> you could even attach telephones to it
15:20:07  <Eddi|zuHause> and since i got DSL (light... 384kbit down, 64kbit up), the internet "feels" slower
15:20:28  <SpComb> ISDN
15:20:30  <JohnUK89> Lol
15:20:36  <SpComb> 's latency was nice and low, from what I recall
15:20:44  <Eddi|zuHause> while it is actually close to a miracle that i actually got DSL, with this distance
15:21:50  <Eddi|zuHause> ISDN is nice, if you never experienced broadband
15:21:59  * JohnUK89 has though
15:22:00  <JohnUK89> lol
15:22:16  <Eddi|zuHause> and as long as you have a flatrate, you don't mind waiting 2 days for a big download either
15:22:40  * JohnUK89 has been on the end of a 10Mb cable line :0\
15:22:42  <JohnUK89> :-\*
15:23:11  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, stepping back is always problematic ;)
15:23:31  <JohnUK89> Yep, don't I know it
15:23:42  <JohnUK89> 1.2MB/s to 1.2KB/s is a big step down
15:23:56  <Eddi|zuHause> i had a ISDN flatrate for about 3 months, actually
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15:24:45  <Eddi|zuHause> after they abandoned that project, i had to get a 120h/month deal, which cost twice as much
15:24:58  <JohnUK89> Eww
15:25:14  <Eddi|zuHause> 4h per day is not really problematic, but if you have to share...
15:25:46  <JohnUK89> Lol I'd use that within a week
15:25:47  <Eddi|zuHause> i almost always got above that 120h limit
15:26:03  <Eddi|zuHause> well, you have to force yourself to go offline
15:26:21  <Eddi|zuHause> but you cannot force others to go offline
15:26:21  <JohnUK89> Yeah
15:26:27  <SpComb> I had a 18:00-08:00 flatrate for about 6 or 8 euros a month
15:26:29  <Eddi|zuHause> which i solved by not letting the others online ;)
15:26:41  <JohnUK89> Lol
15:26:41  <SpComb> a 24/7 flatrate would have been  about 12 euros
15:27:02  <Eddi|zuHause> the 120h cost me about 50 euro
15:27:10  <SpComb> where was this?
15:27:23  <Eddi|zuHause> in the center of germany ;)
15:27:34  <Eddi|zuHause> welcome to telephone monopoly ;)
15:28:32  <SpComb> hmm
15:28:40  <SpComb> this was in munich, a couple years ago
15:29:00  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, in big cities, you often have alternatives
15:30:02  <SpComb> well, this place I'm at is also in the middle of the countryside... next to a farm, 7km to the nearest medium-sized town
15:30:12  <SpComb> must have been pretty expensive to run a fiber to here
15:30:52  <JohnUK89> SpComb: It's a boarding
15:31:03  <sayno> haha, SPComb, you talk like youre in the middle of nowhere
15:31:23  <SpComb> well, not quite the middle of nowhere, but somewhat secluded
15:31:33  <sayno> Try living in nebraska, in the United States, you can live in places where its 50 miles to the nearest town of 1,000 people
15:31:34  * JohnUK89 is more in the middle of nowhere that you lot :-\
15:31:34  <SpComb> this place is on a hill with a farm on one side and a lake on the other
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15:32:14  <SpComb> as in, we have a 15mbit connection, and don't live anywhere urban
15:32:16  <hylje> :o
15:32:21  <SpComb> not too bad really
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15:40:10  * Eddi|zuHause can't imagine there are actually lots of 'urban' areas in finland
15:41:20  <hylje> well, only seven
15:41:28  <SpComb> well, places with more buildings than fields
15:43:11  <ln-> helsinki is the only place in finland that maybe could be called 'city' in english.
15:43:25  <SpComb> well, tampere and turku are probably fairly big
15:43:34  <hylje> tampere isnt a city. gtfo.
15:43:46  <ln-> but not big enough.
15:43:49  <SpComb> how does one define a city?
15:43:58  <SpComb> I'd call it a city in the finnish scale of things :)
15:45:14  <ln-> it was a lecturer in english at my university who said that only helsinki maybe qualifies as a 'city'.
15:45:51  <ln-> she also said "espoo is really nothing".
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15:46:41  <hylje> agreed
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15:47:37  <JohnUK89> I would say a city is anything with population 300,000+
15:48:19  <JohnUK89> But there are a lot of English cities that are 200,000-ish
15:51:21  <JohnUK89> But where am I to comment, I live in the middle of nowhere :P
15:51:45  <SpComb> helsinki itself has about 300k, but if you add up helsinki, espoo and vantaa (the three are partically one big city, they've grow together), you get about a million
15:52:30  <ln-> haha, "big city"
15:52:39  <ln-> with population of 500k
15:53:14  <Brianetta> [15:44] <SpComb> how does one define a city?
15:53:26  <Brianetta> In the UK, a city either has a cathedral or a royal charter.
15:53:40  <Brianetta> Population has nothing to do with it.
15:53:54  <JohnUK89> Brinianetta: Finland is not the UK :P
15:53:58  <SpComb> Tampere's population is 204k
15:54:01  <Brianetta> Hence, "In the UK"
15:54:13  <JohnUK89> Brianetta*
15:54:21  <SpComb> Turku has 170k
15:54:23  <JohnUK89> I hate my keyboard at times
15:54:32  <Brianetta> Ditch her for a new one.
15:54:40  <JohnUK89> SpComb, so about 700k for the three put together?
15:54:53  <SpComb> well, they are seperate cities
15:54:59  <ln-> Turku and Tampere are not too near to Helsinki
15:55:03  <JohnUK89> Brianetta, nah, can't be bothered, had this one for 10 years now
15:55:04  <Brianetta> With TTD, you call it a city for sure if it reaches 10k (:
15:55:05  <mikk36> far from each other
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15:55:06  <SpComb> helsinki = espoo + (the real) helsinki + vantaa
15:55:15  <JohnUK89> I'm too used to it
15:55:32  <Brianetta> like London bein gthe cities of London and Westminster, and surrounding towns?
15:55:36  <SpComb> oulu has 174k
15:56:30  <JohnUK89> Brianetta, but that is truely one city now, it's grown into one mass of over 6.5 million people
15:56:35  <Brianetta> London is a bit bonkers.  It covers 5 counties.
15:57:04  <JohnUK89> Yeah lol
15:57:23  <Brianetta> But even still, the City of London is a small area
15:57:31  <Brianetta> and parliament is in Westminster, not London
15:57:41  <JohnUK89> Yep, it is
15:57:47  <Brianetta> London has its own police
15:57:54  <JohnUK89> And yep, it has
15:58:07  <JohnUK89> Wikipedia to the rescue: The population of the city of Helsinki is 562,570
15:58:39  <Brianetta> That's about the same as Newcastle upon Tyne when you exclude the built up area between the city and the coast
15:59:19  <SpComb> helsinki=562,570 espoo=229,443 vantaa=187 365
15:59:39  <JohnUK89> Newcastle doesn't even have 270k lol
15:59:39  <Brianetta> I can't believe those figures are accurate at that precision
15:59:46  <SpComb> <-- 7km from here
15:59:57  <Brianetta> JohnUK89: Include everything to the coast, it's 1.5M
16:00:18  <SpComb> Brianetta: well, the government probably has quite a good idea of who lives there... they know when people move there, or die, or get born, etc
16:00:21  <Brianetta> Depends how you count them
16:00:21  <JohnUK89> Brianetta, they will be figures at last census
16:00:29  <SpComb> just temporary visitors or travellers, but those don't really live there, do they?
16:00:44  <JohnUK89> Brianetta, so Gateshead etc?
16:00:52  <Brianetta> yeah
16:01:02  <Brianetta> Gateshead is just a housing estate south of Newcastle
16:01:10  <ln-> there is not really such thing as 'census' in finland.
16:01:38  <ln-> the number of people can be counted, and is counted, from registers.
16:01:57  <JohnUK89> ln-: I stand corrected
16:02:22  <ln-> few countries have registers that are good enough for that.
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16:04:38  <JohnUK89> Brianetta, Tyne and Wear has a population of just over 1M (that includes Newcastle, Gateshead and Sunderland, as well as North and South Tyneside)
16:04:57  <Brianetta> It's gone down in the last 10 years, then
16:05:18  <JohnUK89> Yeah
16:07:46  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... in germany, the historic limit for calling something "Stadt" (apart from getting that title from the Kaiser) was a population of 5000
16:08:34  <Eddi|zuHause> in modern times, you call something "Großstadt" (big city), if it surpasses 100k
16:10:04  <Eddi|zuHause> but there are often locations who got the name "Stadt", but have less than 5k inhabitants
16:10:24  <SpComb> the wikipedia calls Tampere a city
16:10:53  <SpComb> "Tampere, with about 200,000 inhabitants in the city itself, and more than 300,000 including the neighbouring municipalities, is the second most important urban centre in Finland after the Helsinki region and the biggest inland city in the Nordic countries."
16:11:10  <Eddi|zuHause> from that, you would probably translate "Stadt" with "Town", and "Großstadt" with "City", but that is probably not 100% accurate
16:11:35  <JohnUK89> The wikipedia calls York (184,900 people) a city, and rightly so, it has a cathedral
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16:14:11  <Born_Acorn> hmm.
16:14:20  <Born_Acorn> How does one apply a diff to ones own source?
16:14:27  <Born_Acorn> One simply does not know.
16:14:29  <Born_Acorn> one.
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16:20:25  <Born_Acorn> can it even be done in cygwin, is the ability there? I didn't find anything on the Wiki.
16:21:00  <Born_Acorn> oooh
16:21:01  <Born_Acorn> ah.
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16:23:47  <Brianetta> One applies a diff with patch
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16:30:30  <Gonozal_VIII> openttd uses which port?
16:30:43  <Born_Acorn> Brianetta, I discovered the powar of TortoiseMerge.
16:33:20  <Eddi|zuHause> something like 3979... but it's probably in the wiki
16:33:33  <Gonozal_VIII> danke ich schau da mal..
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16:41:25  <Brianetta> Never used Tortoise.  Is it Windows only, or is it cross-platform?
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16:43:44  <Wolf01> yo
16:43:59  <glx> Brianetta: windows only I think
16:44:12  <glx> totally integrated in explorer
16:44:18  <Brianetta> ah
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16:44:31  <Brianetta> Well, I suppose that's pretty cool if you're an Explorer user (:
16:44:58  <glx> windows explorer not internet explorer :)
16:45:47  <Brianetta> Same thing
16:45:49  <Eddi|zuHause> is there meanwhile an actual difference?
16:46:15  <Brianetta> I see Tortoise actually uses the regular svn client
16:46:21  <Brianetta> so you could just do it all form the CLI
16:46:24  <glx> Eddi|zuHause: yes the menubar :)
16:46:28  <Brianetta> s/form/from/
16:48:20  <Brianetta> Interesting that the TortoiseSVN web site fails to mention the license
16:49:05  <Brianetta> It's not even in the FAQ
16:50:31  <Eddi|zuHause> tortoise may be based on the svn client, but afaik it does not include the command line tools
16:50:40  <sayno> hey you guys were talking about cities, would Los Angelos count as one?  its 340km from the north end to the south end of the city
16:50:57  <Brianetta> LA is a city
16:51:01  <sayno> hehe
16:51:15  <Eddi|zuHause> it's not the area that counts, it's the population
16:51:17  <sayno> its just one BIG ghetto, a dirty city, filled with poor people
16:51:18  <Brianetta> Technically, a conurbation
16:51:22  <Brianetta> same as London
16:51:25  <Brianetta> or New York
16:51:33  <sayno> UGH, LA is nothing like new york
16:51:44  <sayno> how could they even fit into the same defintion
16:52:01  <Brianetta> Well, let's see
16:52:04  <Brianetta> They are settlements
16:52:07  <Brianetta> Peopl elive and work there
16:52:10  <Brianetta> They have roas
16:52:11  <Brianetta> roads
16:52:15  <Brianetta> and beaches
16:52:19  <Brianetta> and trees
16:52:21  <Brianetta> and parks
16:52:23  <Eddi|zuHause> and railway ;)
16:52:25  <Brianetta> and office blocks
16:52:32  <Brianetta> "nothing like"
16:52:38  * Brianetta rolls his eyes
16:52:51  <sayno> downtown LA is only a few sq miles, NY is basically high-rises as far as the eyes can see in every direction
16:52:59  <Brianetta> Manhattan, sure
16:53:11  <Brianetta> Cross the water, and it's houses as far as the eye can see
16:53:12  <hylje> ive asked this before but if i have two locos pulling a train, and the other breaks, train stops?
16:53:15  <Brianetta> endless suburbia
16:53:23  <sayno> I hate suburbia
16:53:25  <Eddi|zuHause> that's because in LA, they actually had space to expand sidewards
16:53:29  <sayno> its disgusting
16:53:34  <Brianetta> LA has endless suburbia, too
16:53:38  <Eddi|zuHause> in manhattan, the space is kinda limited ;)
16:53:42  <sayno> I live in downtown Denver :)
16:53:51  <Born_Acorn> Suburbia is like Urbia, but everything looks the same!
16:53:55  <Brianetta> I live in the city centre of Newcastle
16:54:04  <Born_Acorn> I live in the country!
16:54:09  <Brianetta> I'd say downtown but (a) we don't say that in England, and (b) I live on a hilltop
16:54:09  <Eddi|zuHause> i live in the countryside
16:54:16  <Eddi|zuHause> near Halle (Saale)
16:54:18  <Born_Acorn> I live in a house, a very big house in the Country!
16:54:32  <Born_Acorn> do-do-do
16:54:33  <Brianetta> I live in a flat, a very small flat, in the citieeeeeeeee!
16:55:03  <sayno> hehe, Born, outside my old hometown in nebraska, there was a 3,000sq foot home with a 3 car garage, for sale, BRAND NEW, just built, for ,000
16:55:10  <sayno> cause it was in the middle of nowhere
16:55:34  <Born_Acorn> When I was a child, I believed sq = squillion
16:55:39  <sayno> lol
16:55:43  <Born_Acorn> 5,000 squillion ft!
16:55:51  <sayno> I dont know how to convert sq feet to meters
16:55:53  <sayno> im sorry
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16:56:05  <sayno> km to miles is easy, cause my car has them on the speedo too!
16:56:16  <Born_Acorn> Neither do I, but I don't complain. :
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16:56:17  <Born_Acorn> P
16:56:54  <Eddi|zuHause> sayno: 1 ft = 12 inch, 1 inch = 2,54 cm, 1m = 100cm
16:56:59  <Gonozal_VIII> isn't it difficult to find shoes with square feet?^^
16:57:10  <Eddi|zuHause> if you don't need it that exact, 1m~3ft
16:57:37  <Brianetta> sq feet to metres is roughtly 10x
16:57:39  <JohnUK89> 3 1/3ft = 1m
16:57:48  <Eddi|zuHause> so 1m² ~ 10 sqft is probably accurate enough
16:58:24  <JohnUK89> Yeah, I'd say it's a good estimate that
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16:59:22  <Brianetta> I think we should use round metres, not square ones, for area.
16:59:39  <Brianetta> One round metre is pi/2 square ones.
16:59:45  <Brianetta> er, no it isn't
16:59:50  <Brianetta> it's 2/pi ones
16:59:59  <Brianetta> yeah that's probably right
17:00:08  <sayno> US should switch to metric measurements
17:00:15  <Brianetta> Damned right
17:00:19  <sayno> arent we the only country in the WORLD who doesnt use them?
17:00:23  <Brianetta> nope
17:00:32  <sayno> and besides, then I could say my car does 270, instead of just 165 :(
17:00:36  <Brianetta> Our street signs are in miles, our speed limit laws in mph
17:00:42  <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta: the 2 is probably wrong there
17:00:43  <Brianetta> and we server pints of beer
17:00:56  <JohnUK89> Here we calculator says  1 (square meter) = 10.7639104 square feet :)
17:01:06  <Brianetta> We want round metres
17:01:11  <JohnUK89> Lol
17:01:13  <sayno> round meters is wierd
17:01:14  <sayno> lol
17:01:15  <Brianetta> JohnUK89: It's metre
17:01:20  <Brianetta> unless you mean a gas meter
17:01:27  <JohnUK89> Brianetta,
17:01:33  <JohnUK89> didnt bother correcting
17:01:47  <Gonozal_VIII> meter is german
17:01:59  <Eddi|zuHause> i thought you always use "foot" when taken as unit
17:02:06  <Eddi|zuHause> not "feet"
17:02:10  <sayno> bah, you euro's and your different spelling
17:02:13  <sayno> is it colour?
17:02:14  <sayno> lol
17:02:26  <Brianetta> In English (by which, of bloody course, I mean English English) metre is a unit of length, and meter is a device for measuring something
17:02:39  <Brianetta> Eddi|zuHause: It's feet in plural
17:02:51  <Brianetta> colour, yes
17:03:00  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, if you actually mean feet, as in the body part
17:03:01  <Brianetta> Blame one Mr. Mirriam Webster
17:03:06  <Eddi|zuHause> but not as measuring unit
17:03:17  <Brianetta> He reformed US spelling for two reasons.  The second reason was simplification and standardization.
17:03:19  <sayno> if you have one its foot, wether its a body part or a distance
17:03:24  <sayno> otherwise its feet
17:03:35  <Brianetta> The first was to make US English distinct from Imperial English.
17:03:38  <sayno> lol, like american english is any better
17:03:43  <sayno> its just as crappy
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17:06:58  <Born_Acorn> The distinction between metres and meters has gone!
17:07:22  <sayno> so is it true that on the autobahn there is still no limit in select places?
17:08:18  <Eddi|zuHause> well, there is no general limit
17:08:39  <Eddi|zuHause> but often you have specific limits, depending on the route you are on
17:09:12  <Eddi|zuHause> especially in urban areas, you often see 100km/h limits
17:09:36  <Brianetta> in case a kid chases a ball into the autobahn...
17:09:43  <Eddi|zuHause> 120 or 130 limits are also quite common
17:09:43  <JohnUK89> Lol
17:10:00  <Eddi|zuHause> no, mainly for noise protection
17:10:00  <Gonozal_VIII> here in austria its 130
17:10:06  <JohnUK89> What good is a 60-75mph limit gonna do to a kid running across an autobahn :P
17:10:24  <Brianetta> JohnUK89: All the pieces can be found for burial.  Easier on the parents that way.
17:10:34  <JohnUK89> Brianetta, very true
17:10:36  <Gonozal_VIII> there are no kids running
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17:10:44  <Eddi|zuHause> also, on heavy traffic areas, you often have limits (then usually dynamic)
17:10:55  <Brianetta> and fog, bad weather
17:10:57  <Eddi|zuHause> because at speed of 90, it has the highest throughput
17:11:26  <Brianetta> You'd all better hope I don't decide to take up learning to drive again
17:11:30  <sayno> so you can go 260 legally?
17:11:35  <Eddi|zuHause> of course, you usually have an average speed of 10km/h on those routes ;)
17:11:39  <Brianetta> I have no intention of even reaching the speed limit (:
17:11:52  <Sacro> what are we discussing?
17:11:59  <Brianetta> I'll pootle along in a 30mph zone at 20-25
17:12:06  <Sacro> heh, i do 40-50
17:12:10  <Brianetta> 60 on a motorway if it's sunny
17:12:14  <Brianetta> 50 if it's raining
17:12:30  <Brianetta> Sacro: You are likely to kill anybody you hit, at that speed
17:12:41  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but a) most cars are locked at 240 from the factory, b) the "recommended" speed is 130, so in case of accidents, you usually don't get insurance to pay you
17:12:53  <Sacro> Brianetta: yes, thats true
17:13:07  <JohnUK89> Sacro, you nutter :P
17:13:10  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: 255 lock :)
17:13:13  <Sacro> JohnUK89: yes
17:13:27  <sayno> no car worth buying is locked from the factory
17:13:41  <Eddi|zuHause> all cars are...
17:13:43  <JohnUK89> Mind you, one of my mates got caught doing 138 in a 60...
17:13:48  <Eddi|zuHause> but that can be circumvented
17:13:48  <Brianetta> Come on, who needs to drive at 240k?
17:13:55  <Sacro> you dont want to go at 88mph though
17:14:00  <Sacro> that speed always worries me
17:14:05  <sayno> really?  I havent ever had a car here in america that was locked
17:14:20  <sayno> I had a honda prelude up to 135mph, and my srt4 up to 162
17:14:22  <JohnUK89> Sayno, the rules in the US are different to Germany
17:14:25  <sayno> both bone stock
17:14:25  <Brianetta> sayno: That's America
17:14:39  <sayno> ugh, that sucks, i feel sorry for you guys
17:14:57  <Brianetta> They're not limited in the UK, althoguh buses are
17:15:08  <sayno> its not too uncommon on the city interstates here to see a pair of cars flying by you, racing, at over 140
17:15:12  <sayno> mph that is
17:15:23  <JohnUK89> Brianetta: BMW's and Mercedes' are limited to 155mph
17:15:24  <Brianetta> A luxury coach bought int he UK cannot be driven faster than 60 or 70mph, depending when it was bought
17:15:44  <sayno> even teh M series?
17:15:48  <Sacro> Brianetta: 56
17:15:49  <sayno> bmws
17:15:52  <JohnUK89> Yep, all new ones
17:16:05  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that's the same in germany
17:16:05  <sayno> wow, how do they even sell an M series bmw then
17:16:10  <Brianetta> Sacro: 56 officially, but there's a 10% margin there
17:16:17  <Brianetta> and it used to be higher
17:16:29  <JohnUK89> Sayno, because it gets to 155mph quicker than the rest of them :p
17:16:32  <sayno> they say, "Yes this car can reach nearly 300kmh, but you can never go that fast, want it!?"
17:16:35  <Eddi|zuHause> afaik it was 120km/h, and now is 100
17:16:50  <Brianetta> I wouldn't drive so fast anyway
17:16:59  <sayno> is it rare to see dodge's in europe?
17:17:06  <Brianetta> sayno: Very
17:17:11  <JohnUK89> sayno, yes
17:17:12  <Sacro> sayno: yes,
17:17:22  <Sacro> well, you get the fugly ones occasionally
17:17:24  <Brianetta> Petrol is not cheap in Europe
17:17:38  <JohnUK89> Brianetta: not least in the UK
17:17:40  <Brianetta> so we have little cars (:
17:17:43  <sayno> cool, i can tell you guys I have a rare car!  lol, but I suppose we never see euro econo cars either
17:17:44  <Eddi|zuHause> it's kinda dangerous if you go 200, and someone going 130 changes lanes right in front of you, because he underestimated your speed
17:17:57  <sayno> my dodge gets 25mpg, and its turbo'ed
17:18:03  <sayno> sry I dont know liters/km
17:18:03  <Eddi|zuHause> that's a 70km/h difference
17:18:05  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: yes...shame less drivers are affected by darwin
17:18:25  <Brianetta> sayno: Which is one of the reasons why the USA, with 5% of the world's population, causes nearly half the world's pollution.
17:18:52  <sayno> hey!  25mpg is pretty good!  tiny hondas with lil 4 bangers get like 32ish
17:19:04  <JohnUK89> sayno, US gallons are smaller than imperial ones, you would push 20.8mpg in the UK
17:19:07  <sayno> the toyota prius only gets 40
17:19:17  <Eddi|zuHause> last time i came by a petrol station, it was like 1,40 EUR/l
17:19:33  <sayno> right now im paying .30 per gallon
17:19:43  <sayno> isnt a gallon about 3.5 litres?
17:19:53  <Brianetta> Your gallons or ours?
17:20:01  <sayno> ours
17:20:04  <sayno> mine rather
17:20:05  <Brianetta> NFI
17:20:08  <JohnUK89> 1 US gallon is 3.79 litres
17:20:16  <Eddi|zuHause>   1 US gallon = 3.7854118 liters
17:20:20  <Eddi|zuHause> says google
17:20:21  <sayno> why is gas so expensive in the uk?
17:20:24  <Eddi|zuHause> on entering "gallon"
17:20:31  <JohnUK89> 1 Imperial gallon = 4.54609188 litres
17:20:31  <Eddi|zuHause> taxes
17:20:31  <Brianetta> Eddi: Because they were that precise when they invented the measure...
17:20:45  <sayno> well, its expensive here, 3 years ago gas in the US was only  a gallon
17:20:52  <sayno> so imperial gallons are quite a bit bigger
17:20:58  <sayno> I could get nearly 30mpg in the UK
17:21:18  <Brianetta> sayno: You wouldn't be any more efficient, though (:
17:21:25  <sayno> of course :p
17:21:42  <sayno> small turbo's are technically efficency adders though aren't they?
17:21:57  <sayno> if I took mine off I would probably get 2-3 mpg less in the city
17:21:59  <Brianetta> As long as they're running
17:22:00  <Tron> 3.3 (U.S. dollars per US gallon) = 0.677311607 Euro per liter <-- that's less than half what it costs here in germany
17:22:01  <Eddi|zuHause> of the 1,40 EUR, it's probably half of that taxes, in germany
17:22:25  <Brianetta> UK has high fuel taxes
17:22:32  <glx> France to
17:22:36  <sayno> I wouldnt be able to afford to drive in europe!
17:22:37  <sayno> lol
17:22:41  <JohnUK89> Petrol is about 96p a litre over here.
17:22:46  <Brianetta> sayno: Probably not.  I cna't.
17:23:03  <Tron> Eddi|zuHause: with ökosteuer and märchensteuer (taxes on taxes, wtf?!) it's way more than half
17:23:06  <Eddi|zuHause> sayno: you have to consider, for that double fuel price, you get cars that consume half the fuel
17:23:10  <Eddi|zuHause> so you are probably even
17:23:18  <sayno> idk, about half
17:23:25  <JohnUK89> Eddi, not when the world burns up :)
17:23:28  <Eddi|zuHause> Tron: yeah ;)
17:23:31  <sayno> 25mpg is pretty good, the honda insight, in america only gets about 50mpg
17:23:57  <sayno> im not sure what you call it, but its the TINY TINY honda, with electric assist
17:23:58  <Eddi|zuHause> what is an mpg exactly?
17:24:04  <Brianetta> nile per gallon
17:24:04  <sayno> Mile per gallon
17:24:07  <Brianetta> yeah
17:24:09  <JohnUK89> Eddi, miles per gallon
17:24:16  <Brianetta> not large north African rivers
17:24:17  <JohnUK89> damn im lagging
17:24:18  <glx> we count l/km here
17:24:32  <ln-> more like litres / 100 km
17:24:34  <sayno> i know but thats too much work
17:24:41  <glx> ln-: right :)
17:24:42  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, liter/100km
17:24:53  <JohnUK89> 1 mile per gallon = 2.35214584 litreilometre
17:25:01  <JohnUK89> litre/kilometre*
17:25:29  <sayno> ok
17:25:39  <glx> JohnUK89: are you sure?
17:25:49  <ln-> i've been on a ground vehicle that consumes 250 to 500 litres / 100 km.
17:25:51  <JohnUK89> according to google
17:25:53  <Tron>  <sayno> 25mpg is pretty good <--- that's about 9.4 l/100km! my 12 year old golf just needs 7-8l/100km!
17:26:08  <Tron> (remeber: for l/100km less is better)
17:26:24  <Eddi|zuHause> 1 mile per gallon = 0.425143706 kilometers per liter <- says google
17:26:28  <sayno> Tron , remember, thats also in a turbo charged 4 door car, that does 0-100km in 5.3 seconds
17:26:39  <JohnUK89> aha
17:26:43  <JohnUK89> i realised what i did
17:26:55  <JohnUK89> i put the litre and kilometre in the wrong order
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17:27:20  <ln-> (0.94 to 0.47 mpg)
17:27:39  <Tron> sayno: my golf "only" has 66kW, that's still way more than i need
17:27:51  <sayno> ugh now I have to do kw to hp
17:27:59  <Tron> *1.34
17:28:04  <Brianetta> It'll do you good
17:28:09  <Brianetta> hp is ludicrous
17:28:19  <Eddi|zuHause> an average small car in germany uses like 5-6l/100km
17:28:27  <sayno> ah here we go
17:28:31  <Brianetta> beyond about eight horses it's nonsensical.  Where would you harnes them?
17:28:37  <sayno> 187kw, and thats not nearly enough for me
17:28:56  <JohnUK89> you have a 250hp car, and its not enough?
17:28:59  <sayno> Brianetta, its not actual 'horse' power, its a function of ft/lbs of tourqe x rpm
17:29:00  <Eddi|zuHause> 6 l/100km = 39.2024307 miles per gallon
17:29:02  <Sacro> Brianetta: a fishing net
17:29:03  <sayno> definately not
17:29:17  <Brianetta> How is that much power not enough?
17:29:26  <Brianetta> Does your car have a lead chassis?
17:29:27  <JohnUK89> sayno, I would say 75hp is enough nowadays
17:29:39  <Sacro> ye gads, thats slooooooow
17:29:41  <Brianetta> Lead based paint, I'll bet (:
17:29:43  <Sacro> oh, got to go
17:29:50  <sayno> JohnUK89 im looking at getting an Evolution 9, with 211kw, and ill have to mod that to make it worth half a crap :P
17:29:55  <Brianetta> Bull horns on the bonnet
17:30:07  <sayno> my car weights 2880 pounds
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17:30:19  <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably all armoured cars in america...
17:30:29  <JohnUK89> Eddi, lol wouldnt surprise me
17:30:36  <Tron> 1020kg
17:30:41  <Brianetta> A tonne
17:30:42  <sayno> yes
17:30:52  <JohnUK89> exactly a tonne?
17:31:01  <Brianetta> Just a smidge over
17:31:03  <Eddi|zuHause> that's a pretty heavy car...
17:31:05  <sayno> 1000kg isnt a lot for a car is it?
17:31:15  <sayno> its actually considered a light car here. . .
17:31:18  <JohnUK89> sayno, for an american car its light
17:31:20  <Brianetta> A metric tonne is a megagramme
17:31:33  <Sacro> evo 9s are horrible
17:31:59  <sayno> i LOVE the way they look Sacro
17:32:04  <Brianetta> In Japan you need a small car.  If it's bigger than a standard parking space (and these aren't big) you get a heavy, heavy parking tax.
17:32:11  <Sacro> sayno: i suppose someone has to
17:32:15  <JohnUK89> I hate Mitsubishis
17:32:17  <Brianetta> unless you have somewhere off the road to keep it, which nobody in Japan has. (:
17:32:17  <sayno> lol
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17:32:36  <Sacro> JohnUK89: GTO twin turbo (3000 GT) is verrrrrrry nice
17:32:43  <Sacro> as are evo 4,5,6,7
17:32:47  <sayno> 3000gt vr4?
17:32:48  <Sacro> and fto
17:32:49  <Eddi|zuHause> i would not attempt do drive in japan ;)
17:32:53  <Sacro> sayno: yesm
17:32:56  <JohnUK89> Sacro, not for me, prefer Nissans :)
17:33:03  <JohnUK89> Well
17:33:07  <JohnUK89> Only the Skylines :P
17:33:12  <sayno> I have a video of me SPANKING THE CRAP out of a galant vr-4, i was about 4 car lengths ahead at 100km
17:33:14  <Eddi|zuHause> or in any huge urban area, for that matter...
17:33:26  <sayno> i know the 3000's are faster, probably would run even with me
17:33:35  <Brianetta> sayno: The Chrysler PT Cruiser is on sale in the UK, and is regarded as huge.
17:33:46  <sayno> oh god thats an ugly car
17:33:50  <sayno> but thats insane
17:33:50  <Brianetta> One of very few US vehicles
17:34:01  <sayno> havent you people ever seen a lincoln navigator?
17:34:06  <sayno> or a cadillac escalade
17:34:07  <sayno> lol
17:34:26  <Brianetta> We'd probably park on the bonnet
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17:34:32  <Brianetta> er, hood
17:34:35  <Eddi|zuHause> err... for none of these cars you'd find a parking space in the average european cities
17:34:48  <Eddi|zuHause> you probably don't get around half the corners either
17:34:51  <sayno> oooh, I had the pleasure of racing a Bentley Continental Coupe GT recently, do you see many of those in europe?
17:35:12  <JohnUK89> sayno, OUCH!
17:35:16  <JohnUK89> Nasty car
17:35:19  <sayno> (and yes, he beat me, quite badly)
17:35:29  <sayno> I was doing 155mph, and he was pulling away pretty quickly
17:35:30  <Brianetta> Our cities are hundreds of years old, with street patterns that have sometimes not changed since castles were in vogue.  In fact, sometimes city streets still go around those castles.
17:35:31  <Eddi|zuHause> honestly... i never saw a lincoln, bentley or cadillac on a street...
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17:35:39  <JohnUK89> fast, but ugly as sin
17:35:48  <sayno> really?  I liked the way it looked
17:36:00  <sayno> besides looks shouldnt matter in a turbo v-12
17:36:01  <Brianetta> I saw a Bentley
17:36:01  <sayno> lol
17:36:03  <JohnUK89> sayno, you're american :P
17:36:09  <Brianetta> since Bentleys are made here
17:36:20  <Tron> <Brianetta> sayno: The Chrysler PT Cruiser is on sale in the UK, and is regarded as huge. <--- this car is plain ugly, it's so pseudo-retro
17:36:26  <JohnUK89> Looks only make no difference with a Bugatti Veyron
17:36:32  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, roads that are fit for the average 1050 horse wagon are not nice to go through with a big car :)
17:36:35  <Brianetta> Tron: I made no comment as to how pretty it is.
17:36:47  <Born_Acorn> I will recieve an automobile upon the 18th!
17:36:48  <Brianetta> I quite like the hearse look.
17:36:49  <sayno> is my car ugly?
17:36:50  <sayno>
17:36:53  <sayno> take a look ^^
17:37:07  * Brianetta clickies
17:37:08  <guru3> it's got an xbox logo
17:37:11  <guru3> => ugly
17:37:13  <Eddi|zuHause> i heard that some of the major routes in england actually date back to the romans
17:37:26  * JohnUK89 clicks and wait for an hour for it to download
17:37:33  * Brianetta waits
17:37:41  <Brianetta> Eddi: They doo.
17:37:43  <sayno> i dont have those stickers on minie, thats someone elses
17:37:50  <Tron> Eddi|zuHause: not only in england... B3 here germany
17:37:51  <Brianetta> Thankfully, the Romans made military roads very straight.
17:37:52  <sayno> but thats what my car looks like
17:37:54  <guru3> then 'meh'
17:38:07  <Eddi|zuHause> i would not know where the B3 is ;)
17:38:13  <Brianetta> That car looks cross-eyed
17:38:14  <Eddi|zuHause> probably far west ;)
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17:38:28  <Tron> Eddi|zuHause: mostly parallel to the A5
17:38:32  <sayno> you guys are cruel
17:38:33  <sayno> lol
17:38:48  <Brianetta> Who thought to put the indicators there in the headlights?
17:38:53  <Brianetta> They *made* it cross-eyed!
17:38:58  <JohnUK89> sayno, ugly car that
17:39:07  <Eddi|zuHause> the roads around here are usually like 300 or 400 years old
17:39:12  <Brianetta> Look at any modern Japanese car
17:39:20  <Brianetta> They now make them with "cheerful faces"
17:39:35  <Eddi|zuHause> except for the autobahn, which is scheduled to be finished in 2007 ;)
17:39:40  <Tron> omg, even wikipedia has a page about the B3 o_O
17:39:42  <sayno> Whats ugly about it
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17:40:10  <JohnUK89> sayno, well it looks like a bloated dog :P
17:40:26  <sayno> ugh. . . .you euro's have NO TASTE
17:40:31  <sayno> half of you dont have cars :P
17:40:39  <Brianetta> We have taste.  Look at Porsche, Ferrari
17:40:53  <sayno> ewww
17:41:01  <sayno> look at ford gt or the dodge viper
17:41:07  <JohnUK89> Aerial Atom...
17:41:08  * Brianetta coughs
17:41:11  <JohnUK89> PHWOAR
17:41:19  <Brianetta> Smart
17:41:23  <Brianetta> Now that's a car
17:41:43  <JohnUK89> smart...not bad
17:41:53  <Brianetta> In fact, it's the car I'd buy if I went for a driving test again
17:42:11  <Brianetta> I'd bomb down the motorway at nearly 60mph
17:42:26  <JohnUK89> I'd probably get a Japanese city car imported :P
17:42:36  <JohnUK89> Love them cute ^_^
17:42:43  <Brianetta> You'd spend more on the shipping than you'd save in the first five years
17:42:55  <JohnUK89> Probably lol
17:42:57  <Brianetta> I'd better go home
17:43:03  <Brianetta> They're locking the office
17:43:09  <JohnUK89> Brianetta: cya :)
17:43:09  <Brianetta> later dudes
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17:43:16  <JohnUK89> Lol
17:43:54  <Eddi|zuHause>ße_6 <- very intresting map of germany they have there...
17:46:10  <sayno>
17:46:14  <sayno> still ugly ^^?
17:47:13  <Tron> Eddi|zuHause: am i missing something?
17:47:36  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that's the area of germany prior to 1914..
17:48:05  <JohnUK89> Yes, still ugly
17:48:32  <Tron> ?
17:48:57  <sayno> damnit
17:48:59  <JohnUK89> Tron: my last comment was towards sayno
17:50:16  <Tron> ?
17:50:21  <sayno> i just dont get why thats ugly
17:50:40  <JohnUK89> sayno, because it looks like a bloated dog :P
17:50:59  <sayno> Ill be honest, im not seeing that
17:51:00  <sayno> lol
17:51:10  <sayno> you probably think toyota supra's are ugly too dont you
17:51:19  <JohnUK89> sayno, yes, very
17:51:35  <sayno> OMG!
17:51:46  <sayno> you can no longer give your opinion on car looks
17:52:05  <JohnUK89> sayno, everyone is entitled to their opinions
17:52:10  <sayno> lol
17:52:17  <sayno> but who thinks a supra is ugly!?
17:52:36  <JohnUK89> Me :P
17:54:08  <sayno> show me what you think is a good looking car then
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17:55:35  <glx> 2CV is a nice car :)
17:55:42  <sayno> LMAO
17:55:43  <Eddi|zuHause> boy have we got far off topic...
17:55:43  <smeding> OMG FINALLY
17:55:48  <JohnUK89> <THAT is a nice car
17:55:52  <smeding> my friend found my TTD CD again \o/
17:56:01  <sayno> bah, were talking everday cars
17:56:03  <sayno> not a 575
17:56:12  <JohnUK89> Eddi, lol
17:56:18  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but we came from connection speeds ;)
17:56:46  <JohnUK89> sayno, I didn't see the "everyday" part mentioned anywhere :)
17:57:00  <sayno> well all the cars ive shown are everyday cars
17:57:09  <sayno> ferrari's I only see on sundays
17:57:14  <JohnUK89> Lol
17:57:34  <sayno> im serious!  I cruise around a lot, and Only on sunday I see ferrari's, but I always see like 5-10
17:57:35  * JohnUK89 goes and finds another pic
17:57:41  <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't seen any of your cars yet, so they can't be that every day ;)
17:57:49  <sayno> lol
17:58:03  <sayno> well apparently theres more ferrari's in denver than all of the UK :P
17:58:25  <JohnUK89>
17:58:26  <JohnUK89> There
17:58:32  <sayno> ah I agree, nice car
17:58:40  <JohnUK89> Gorgeous thing that
17:58:44  <sayno> I actually saw an orange one recently
17:59:14  <Eddi|zuHause> that looks a little overdone...
17:59:21  <sayno> the 60 some yr old man driving wouldnt race me through the curves or in a straight line though :(
17:59:39  <JohnUK89> sayno, he would demolish you on a race track :P
17:59:53  <sayno> idk actually
18:00:19  <sayno> the srt-4 neon was developed for track racing, dodge wanted to take a shot at winning a specific SCCA class, but you had to have a production car to do it
18:00:28  <sayno> and yes, I do know EXACTLY what a lotus elise is
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18:01:15  <sayno> i agree it could probably beat me in the corners by a little bit, but with big mopar brakes and vicious acceleration, I could keep it a close race
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18:01:46  <JohnUK89> sayno, well try an Exige then ;-)
18:01:51  <sayno> thats not fair
18:01:52  <sayno> :P
18:01:58  <sayno> my car was only ,999
18:01:58  <JohnUK89> :P
18:01:59  <sayno> :P
18:02:11  <JohnUK89> Lol
18:02:14  <sayno> let me put ,000 of mods on it, then ill race him, and probably win
18:02:26  <JohnUK89> Nah, the car would weigh too much :-D
18:03:01  <sayno> probably around 2400 pounds in race trim
18:03:09  <sayno> with 450hp
18:03:20  <sayno> and big 245 wide tires all around
18:03:28  <sayno> id have a shot
18:03:28  <JohnUK89> Lol
18:03:33  <JohnUK89> Would be close
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18:04:45  <sayno> i actually would only have to spend like k to get it to that point
18:04:58  <sayno> I could spend the other 30k on the engine and have 600+ hp easily :P
18:05:06  <JohnUK89> Lol
18:05:18  <JohnUK89> <beat that :P
18:05:23  <sayno> cant
18:05:24  <sayno> sorry
18:05:25  <sayno> lol
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18:05:47  <sayno> but were talking about cars, not go-karts :P
18:05:55  <JohnUK89> Hehehe
18:06:21  <sayno>
18:06:22  <JohnUK89> Oi that is a car :P
18:06:26  <sayno> ^^ race trim srt
18:06:34  <JohnUK89> 300hp is a bit much for go-karts ;-)
18:06:53  <JohnUK89> lol
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18:07:00  <sayno> i thought it was a Type-s honda motor
18:07:03  <sayno> like 210hp
18:07:27  <JohnUK89> The nonsupercharged one is 220hp
18:07:34  <sayno> oh ok
18:07:36  <JohnUK89> supercharged it his 300hp
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18:07:39  <JohnUK89> hits*
18:08:29  <sayno> so is there streetracing in the UK?
18:08:36  <JohnUK89> Nah lol
18:08:42  <sayno> how boring :(
18:08:43  <JohnUK89> Thats just a nutter's car
18:09:08  <sayno> i like the getaway in stockholm vids, with High hp supras and whatnot outrunning the police. . . wagons, LMAO
18:09:48  <JohnUK89> Lol
18:10:08  <sayno> have you seen those?
18:10:12  <sayno> they are really cool
18:10:45  <JohnUK89> On 9.6k? Dont be rediculous :P
18:11:50  <sayno> you have 9.6k!?
18:12:23  <JohnUK89> Thats what Im on at the moment
18:12:50  <sayno> im on a t1 at work, and its UNGODLY slow compared to my home connection :P
18:12:56  <JohnUK89> Lol
18:13:07  <sayno> i thought they had like 10meg and up connections in UK really cheap
18:13:33  <JohnUK89> Yeah, but I cant get them
18:13:35  <JohnUK89> Lol
18:13:42  <sayno> that sucks
18:13:55  <JohnUK89> Yeah
18:14:06  <sayno> lol, all the towns there are so close you can practically string ethernet between them
18:14:13  <sayno> how can you not get it :P
18:14:18  <JohnUK89> Nah
18:14:27  <JohnUK89> Not quite
18:14:39  <JohnUK89> Too far from the phone exchange
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18:28:04  * Prof_Frink is having trouble getting any broadband at all
18:28:19  <JohnUK89> Prof_Frink: you and me both
18:28:24  * Sacro hands Prof_Frink a haddock
18:28:33  * Prof_Frink trades it for a herring
18:28:38  <Sacro> :o
18:28:46  <JohnUK89> Ello Sacro
18:29:00  <Sacro> Ello JohnUK89. back home now
18:29:13  <JohnUK89> Lol
18:29:17  <JohnUK89> I was at home all along :P
18:30:04  <Sacro> lazy
18:30:14  <JohnUK89> Thats me :P
18:36:12  <JohnUK89> <reading top gear quotes lol
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18:36:32  <Sacro> nice
18:37:35  <Sacro>
18:37:37  <Sacro> mwahahahaha
18:38:59  * JohnUK89 waits for it to load
18:39:59  <JohnUK89> LOL!
18:41:34  <JohnUK89> Damn I need a pastebin...bloody good quote :P
18:41:34  <Bjarni> wtf is that driver doing???
18:42:13  <Sacro> Bjarni: playing chicken
18:42:23  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: being an idiot? :P
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18:42:40  <Bjarni> Sacro: well he will lose. The train is not about to turn away :P
18:42:57  <Sacro> Bjarni: maybe...maybe not
18:43:33  <Bjarni> the train is heavy and massive enough to just move on after the car is... well, not a car anymore
18:44:04  <JohnUK89> You would need a high-powered rear wheel drive car to escape that
18:44:19  <Sacro> just reverse up to the trains speed
18:44:35  <Bjarni> what are those green light spots under the car?
18:44:39  <JohnUK89> reversing is too unstable :P
18:45:00  <Sacro> lense flare maybe
18:45:00  <Bjarni> JohnUK89: well, trains reverse allright and he IS on railroad tracks
18:45:19  <Prof_Frink> Nah, you just activate the built in tleporter
18:45:29  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: do car tyres fit in rail tracks?
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18:45:46  <ln-> Bjarni: read the text below the image, it explains the situation.
18:45:57  <Bjarni> ln-: ahh, good point
18:46:01  <Sacro> not in a reasonable language though
18:46:14  <Bjarni> ln-: next you will expect me to read Swahili as well, right?
18:46:22  <ln-> sure
18:47:15  <ln-> well, the car driver is basically member of staff.
18:47:39  <ln-> trying to make sure no one else tries to crash with the engine.
18:48:06  <Bjarni> ?
18:48:21  <Sacro> its a "me first" kinda job :)
18:48:52  <ln-> the engine is on a very rarely used railway route that connects the helsinki underground to national railway network.
18:48:57  <Bjarni> so in case people miss seeing the train, they will go "oh, there is a car. I better not crash into that one"?
18:49:10  <ln-> indeed
18:49:36  <Bjarni> I would just have driven the train there without a car
18:49:44  <Bjarni> I really don't see the point in the car
18:50:26  <JohnUK89> Why not have a bigger car there?
18:50:27  <JohnUK89> Lol
18:50:50  <Bjarni> if anything, I would have blocked the road in each end, not just driving a car up the road
18:51:12  <SpComb> Bjarni: the car is from the railway company, and at a guess is driving along behind the train
18:52:51  <Bjarni> then I would have put the red glasses on the lights to make it have red tail lights
18:53:15  <Bjarni> I really fail to see the reason to have that car there
18:53:20  <SpComb> dunno, the train was driving through a urban area so I guess they thought they would make everone well aware of it
18:53:36  <SpComb> I would wonder more at why the train is there :)
18:53:47  <Bjarni> <JohnUK89>	Bjarni: do car tyres fit in rail tracks? <-- haven't you watched Back to the future 3?
18:53:52  <ln-> Bjarni: i suppose it's not a road with just two ends, but a road with a lot of junctions.
18:54:38  <Bjarni> hmm
18:54:41  <SpComb> hmm
18:54:43  <Bjarni> google earth
18:54:53  <Bjarni> we can verify that quickly :)
18:55:39  <SpComb> or just hit the up button
18:55:47  <SpComb>
18:56:28  <CIA-5> glx * r5815 /branches/TGP/ (15 files in 2 dirs): [TGP] -Change: SDL is no longer needed to be able to load BMP files for heighmaps (thanks Rubidium for the loading buffer)
18:57:18  <Bjarni> hmm
18:57:26  <Bjarni> what is it on those wagons?
18:57:28  <Bjarni> rails?
18:58:25  <Bjarni> ok, I got Helsinki on google earth
18:58:34  <Bjarni> now the question is how to find the tracks...
18:59:03  <Bjarni> we got two Finnish people in here
18:59:13  <Bjarni> at least one of you have to know Helsinki ;)
18:59:29  <Noldo> what are you looking for?
18:59:44  <Bjarni> <SpComb> <-- this railroad line
19:00:07  <SpComb> <-- train on the helsinki metro, ugliest thing ever
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19:00:22  <peter1138> .kmz?
19:00:27  <Wolf01> yes, only the delorean can, not all cars have the same width ;)
19:00:31  <SpComb> Bjarni: follow the above to the east, that should eventually end up somewhere :P
19:00:35  * SpComb doesn't really know exactly
19:00:38  <Wolf01> [20:53:54] <Bjarni> <JohnUK89>	Bjarni: do car tyres fit in rail tracks? <-- haven't you watched Back to the future 3?
19:00:39  <SpComb> peter1138: google earth
19:00:45  <Noldo> Bjarni: which picture?
19:00:56  <Wolf01> (forgot to paste a piece)
19:01:00  <JohnUK89> Wolf01:nope
19:01:06  <Bjarni> Noldo: mainly this one
19:01:14  <Bjarni> but I was wondering about the line as a whole
19:01:20  <SpComb> "The system was opened to the general public on 2 August 1982 after 27 years of planning."
19:01:32  <SpComb>
19:01:59  <Bjarni> SpComb: nice one... In Australia they just finished a railroad. It only took them 82 years to build it
19:02:24  <SpComb> did they take a 80 year break in between?
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19:04:56  <Bjarni> no
19:05:02  <Bjarni> it's just a pretty long one
19:05:10  <Bjarni> well, I don't think they took a break
19:05:12  <ln-> SpComb: in case you didn't notice, there are huge distances in australia, so building a track takes more than 2 years.
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19:05:42  <Zavior> But 82 years...
19:05:50  <Bjarni> it takes 3 days to go from one end to the other at full speed in a modern train
19:12:45  <JohnUK89> Right I'm actually gonna play some OTTD :P
19:14:40  <Bjarni> you know, this is a mighty hard line to find
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19:16:17  <peter1138> JohnUK89: how controversial
19:16:23  <peter1138> (but spelt correctly)
19:16:26  <SpComb> Bjarni: <-- there's the depo, it should go somewhere north from there
19:16:50  <JohnUK89> Peter1138: hehe
19:17:05  <Bjarni> kmz?
19:17:13  <SpComb> a marker thingie for google earth
19:17:26  <SpComb> you can "Open With" google earth
19:17:30  <Bjarni> ahh
19:18:01  <Bjarni> wow, that was cool
19:18:31  <Bjarni> I mean the smooth zooming and moving
19:18:48  <Born-Acorn> I made the bridges work! wooo!
19:18:58  <Born-Acorn>
19:19:29  <lws1984> oooh, pretty roads
19:19:56  <peter1138> your roadset?
19:19:59  <Born-Acorn> yes!
19:20:02  <hylje> :o
19:20:02  <peter1138> \o/
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19:20:32  <Born_Acorn> I used multiple pcx files inside one grf!
19:20:44  <Born_Acorn> With thanks to the Pikkaman!
19:20:45  <SpComb> Bjarni: <-- the lights at the back of this picture should be that tunnel (abrupt end of tracks) at the north end of the depo
19:21:05  <Bjarni> I think the google resolution is too poor to see the track in the pavement
19:21:54  <Bjarni> ok, I think I found the turnout, but it's really blurry
19:22:11  <Bjarni> google just have to increase the resolution before it's possible to follow that track :p
19:22:34  <SpComb> ooh!
19:22:36  <SpComb> I found it
19:22:38  <SpComb> the other end of the tunnel
19:22:48  <SpComb> just follow it to the NW
19:23:12  <SpComb> it's very faint, but it's visible
19:23:25  <Bjarni> yeah
19:23:41  <SpComb> you could follow the photos using the bridges and such
19:23:47  <Bjarni> I followed it where I would presume it would be and I found it up ahead near the roundabout
19:23:58  * peter1138 ponders doing to ottd work
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19:25:21  <SpComb> the street names are also useful
19:25:59  <Bjarni> so it's like 2,5 km of tracks in the roads
19:26:06  <Wolf01> diagonal streets are usefull
19:26:25  <Wolf01> to name a road/track you can use signs
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19:30:54  <SpComb> <-- heh.... I was wondering why there was a train station on the line, but it was a bus stop :P
19:30:59  <JohnUK89> Hmm TGP is QUICK at generating
19:31:07  <SpComb> trains stopping at bus stops ftw
19:31:20  <Bjarni> hehe
19:32:20  <hylje> mwahah
19:33:53  <SpComb> hrmph
19:34:17  <SpComb> google earth has a thing to lay "paths", but it just gives a popup saying you have to buy Google Earth Plus :/
19:34:22  <Bjarni> what is the gauge in Finland?
19:34:37  <Bjarni> funny
19:34:43  <Bjarni> it just showed the length here
19:34:46  <ln-> 1524 mm
19:34:49  <SpComb> length for what?
19:35:10  <Bjarni> length of the path I measured
19:35:25  <Bjarni> ln-: so you use wide gauge... good to know when judging size of the pictures
19:35:26  <SpComb> I guess you have Google Earth PLus
19:35:39  <Bjarni> no I don't
19:35:41  <Bjarni> :p
19:35:52  <sayno> Oh, I should install google earth
19:35:57  <sayno> I havent played with it for some time
19:36:01  <Bjarni> I use the mac version
19:36:09  <sayno> do the have a lunx version available?
19:36:10  <hylje> i use the linux version
19:36:16  <sayno> cool
19:36:38  <CIA-5> truelight * r5816 /branches/TGP/ (12 files in 2 dirs):
19:36:38  <CIA-5> [TGP] -Add: add a GUI for Create Scenario preseting you with options:
19:36:38  <CIA-5>  - MapSize
19:36:38  <CIA-5>  - Date
19:36:38  <CIA-5>  - At which height you want your flat (empty) map
19:36:39  <CIA-5>  - Generate (Random land)
19:36:41  <CIA-5>  - Heightmap
19:36:47  <sayno> hey guys, check out my house, corner of 13th and Logan Denver CO 80202
19:37:11  <JohnUK89> My house is invisible to Google Earth :P
19:37:32  <|Jeroen|> you have to turn of your stealt generator in the basement
19:37:54  <JohnUK89> |Jeroen|: lol
19:38:08  <peter1138> mine is in an uber-low-res area :(
19:38:11  <hylje> doesnt a stealth generator eat a shitload of power?
19:38:18  <JohnUK89> peter1138: same
19:38:24  <sayno> mine is one of the somewhat rendered buildings!  w00t!
19:38:31  <hylje> im in the border of hi-res area
19:39:04  <Bjarni> the line is 98.350 inches
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19:41:23  <peter1138> oh, those 3d bits are neat, sayno
19:41:24  <Bjarni> that's the same as 2,5 km
19:41:40  <sayno> :)
19:41:43  <sayno> thats my city!
19:42:18  <peter1138> now when they make the cars 3d...
19:42:21  <SpComb> <-- me
19:42:29  <JohnUK89> lol
19:42:37  <sayno> I actually live right by where google puts the dot for denver
19:42:40  <sayno> like 3 blocks away
19:42:40  <sayno> lol
19:43:09  <SpComb> hmm, google earth uses UTF-8 encoded with urlencode
19:43:10  <SpComb> weird
19:43:16  <SpComb> that says "Päivölä"
19:43:51  * JohnUK89 probably lives where google put the dot for "nowhere"
19:43:53  <Bjarni> I have also seen lines for railroads placed near, but not on the actual railroad, so the line is like into the water and such
19:44:53  <SpComb> yeah, google earth's railways are almost always off
19:44:57  <SpComb> consistently off
19:45:21  <sayno> peter1138 see the tall building a block or so south and a block over from my apartment, thats my gf's college :)
19:46:08  <sayno> er i lied, 2 blocks south 1 block west
19:46:17  <Bjarni> SpComb: I see you miss the luxury of living next to the sea
19:46:21  <hylje> :o
19:46:24  <sayno> lol the other one is like a 14 story apartment complex
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19:48:06  <SpComb> want some "WTF?!?!?!" google earth kmzs?
19:48:19  <hylje> ok
19:48:20  <SpComb> <-- one I just noticed
19:48:39  <SpComb> reflections did something weird to the camera
19:49:08  <hylje> heh
19:49:16  <SpComb>!.kmz <-- this one is truly weird
19:49:19  <hylje> supo:s places arent there either?
19:49:34  <SpComb> I found it per The Register
19:49:46  <SpComb>!2.kmz <-- it also continues down south a bit
19:49:55  <SpComb> I think they are aerial photos that were added into google earth
19:49:58  <SpComb> a bit random
19:50:09  <hylje> :o
19:50:47  <Born_Acorn> peter1138, have you read that diagonal crossings diff? Do you think that has a chance of being committed to trunk?
19:50:57  <hylje> aerial photo of Sahara, how clever
19:51:13  <peter1138> no
19:51:17  <peter1138> (as in i've not read it)
19:51:26  <SpComb> aerial photos of random shanty (?) towns in anfrica
19:51:29  <SpComb> *africa
19:51:34  <Born_Acorn> ah.
19:51:39  <SpComb> you can see the people, it's a better res than in most cities
19:51:59  <hylje> :D
19:52:07  <SpComb> those towns are also pretty weird.... people live in those kind of houses :/
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19:52:47  <hylje> yeah
19:52:56  <hylje> in those areas there is no rain
19:53:02  <hylje> so real roofs are useless
19:53:09  <SpComb> the sun?
19:53:22  <Brianetta> textile roof
19:53:34  <hylje> ye
19:53:56  <hylje> but really those random really high res pics in middle of a black area in Sahara = wtf
19:54:31  <SpComb>
19:55:16  <hylje> heh, really high res pics of.. sand dunes.
19:55:47  <Bjarni> train marker.kmz <-- in case you want to see what level of details Google Earth is capable of, here is a little something I found randomly
19:56:16  <Bjarni> I was looking for the Donner Pass (which is a bit west of this location)
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19:57:09  <hylje> eww spaces on a link
19:57:26  <Bjarni> do you want me to rename it?
19:57:29  <JohnUK89> marker.kmz <corrected
19:57:33  <JohnUK89> oope
19:57:35  <JohnUK89> no it isnt
19:57:36  <Bjarni> :P
19:57:40  <Bjarni> haha
19:57:46  <JohnUK89>
19:57:47  <JohnUK89> Now it is :P
19:58:06  <JohnUK89> didnt see the second space lol
19:58:13  <hylje> theres turbines on the roofs of those trains?
19:58:18  <ln-> go to Kassel, Germany, and look at the individual railway sleepers.
19:58:19  <hylje> or just large air-conditioners
19:58:27  <hylje> ln-: gief link
19:58:30  <Bjarni> it's the cooling fans
19:58:42  <Bjarni> they ensures airflows though the radiators just below them
19:58:53  <Bjarni> and those radiators contains cooling water from the diesel engines
19:59:05  <Bjarni> that's more or less like all diesel locomotives work
19:59:05  <hylje> :o
19:59:08  <ln-> hylje: type "Kassel, Germany" in the search box
19:59:53  <hylje> and sleepers are exactly what?
20:00:20  <Bjarni> the wood the rails are placed on
20:00:38  <hylje> oh
20:00:45  <hylje> or concrete
20:01:11  <Born_Acorn> Or steel
20:01:37  <Bjarni> lol
20:01:48  <Bjarni> I just made a route from Kassel, Germany to Kassel, Germany and it's 16 meters long :D
20:02:00  <Born_Acorn>
20:02:02  <Born_Acorn> Steel!
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20:02:23  <Bjarni> it really picked two different locations in the town as arrival and departure spots :D
20:02:40  <hylje> :D
20:03:07  <hylje> so it didnt redirect you to the Sun and display the text "Oh, divided by zero!"
20:03:31  * JohnUK89 will brb
20:04:15  <Bjarni> when I set eye alot to 170 m, then I get 174, so zooming in will generate a loop
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20:05:17  <Bjarni> hmm
20:05:28  <Bjarni> it appears that Kassel lacks catenary
20:05:38  <hylje> oh wow
20:06:05  <Bjarni> or maybe it's due to the fact that it appears that the track I just found is a rarely used siding :p
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20:07:54  <Bjarni> in fact it appears as the mainline got catenary
20:08:33  <ln-> Kassel is definitely electrified
20:09:05  <Bjarni> yeah
20:09:10  <Bjarni> I see the poles
20:09:14  <Bjarni> and the wire o_O
20:09:38  <hylje> from fucking google earth.
20:10:02  <SpComb>
20:10:48  <peter1138> hmm
20:10:49  <peter1138> tgp branch
20:10:56  <peter1138> where did all this heightmap stuff come from
20:11:01  <peter1138> it's quite nice
20:11:04  <Bjarni> when I look at this location, I can't help to wonder if a certain tree doesn't need cutting before it reaches the catenary. It looks kind of big
20:11:12  <hylje> oh god
20:12:08  <SpComb> the answer is 67 parralel tracks
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20:12:15  <SpComb> can you find a wider track yard?
20:12:19  <RichK67> ping brianetta
20:12:37  <JohnUK89> Lol
20:12:39  <Brianetta> pong
20:12:48  * peter1138 idly wonders why the first main menu has climate buttons
20:12:58  <RichK67> server went down last nite... any ideas why?
20:13:04  <pv2b> peter1138: because t hat's the way it's always been?
20:13:05  <RichK67> (still down)
20:13:09  <Brianetta>
20:13:12  <peter1138> not a good reason
20:13:14  <hylje> peter1138: because the old rmg used it?
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20:14:11  <RichK67> oh!
20:14:19  <RichK67> not good :(
20:14:50  <hylje> :o?
20:17:06  <Brianetta> Not good, no.
20:17:24  <Sacro> RichK67: get him to do MiniIN :P
20:17:29  <Brianetta> TGP could have had an incredible amount of testing had it been int he nightlies, for example.  Same for YAPF/PBS.
20:17:39  <hylje> and bridges?
20:17:42  <Brianetta> Sacro: You know my opinion pf the MiniIN
20:17:48  <Sacro> Brianetta: yes, i do
20:17:49  <Brianetta> hylje: Indeed yes.
20:17:53  <peter1138> YAPF is in the nightlies...
20:18:01  <Sacro> we did test bridges, and YAPF didnt we
20:18:02  <Brianetta> PBS isn't
20:18:16  <Brianetta> Sacro: We could still be testing bridges
20:18:20  <Sacro> i loved testing PBS, except when brianetta uploaded my mistakes :(
20:18:29  <hylje> :D
20:18:34  <Brianetta> but Tron decided that it wasn't ready for trunk
20:18:44  <Brianetta> I mean, wtf?  It's the SVN trunk, not a release
20:18:45  <CIA-5> truelight * r5817 /branches/TGP/genworld_gui.c:
20:18:45  <CIA-5> [TGP] -Temporary fix: because we have the 32 widget limit for now
20:18:45  <CIA-5>  (fix for it, is work in progress), I reduced the amount of needed widgets
20:18:45  <CIA-5>  for the World Generate with 2. It has to be said that this fix is pretty
20:18:45  <CIA-5>  ugly, because I do the widget drawing myself inside the WE_PAINT routine.
20:18:46  <CIA-5>  Therefor it should be changed ASAP when the widget limit can be increased.
20:18:47  <hylje> PBS Tutorial: Learn through Others' Mistakes
20:18:47  <Sacro> hylje: it wasnt funny :(
20:18:50  <CIA-5>  Also, it has a small graphical flaw, but I wonder if anyone can spot it.....
20:19:17  <Sacro> nice essay from TL there
20:19:43  <CIA-5> truelight * r5818 /branches/TGP/TODO.TGP:
20:19:43  <CIA-5> [TGP] -Update: the last 2 points of the TODO won't be done in TGP branch.
20:19:43  <CIA-5>  For questions, ask Rubidium or TrueLight.
20:20:50  <RichK67> back
20:21:38  <pv2b> oh, by the way. as for height-maps. is there an easy way to fix a heightmap PNG so the colour pallette is right?
20:22:04  * peter1138 wonders where kudr went
20:23:31  <RichK67> Brianetta: I still see your server as a) the most reliable friendly server I know of, b) the only one to consistently use nightlies, c) the only one with the best set of newgrfs.... i still think it is an excellent place to test the nightly
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20:23:57  <Brianetta> Yeah, but it's a lot of work to keep it that way
20:24:14  <JohnUK81> oh ffs not again :-\
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20:24:27  <Brianetta> I'm unimpressed with the whole nightly concept.
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20:25:01  <hylje> Brianetta: dont be sad ive had great fun with friends using your newgrf set and MiniIN/trunk nightly
20:25:02  <RichK67> i agree the trunk is no longer a development branch, but a pseudo-release
20:25:02  <Brianetta> Since nothing seems to be allowed into the nightly until it's done
20:25:27  <Brianetta> Thing is, it is updated far too frequently to be stable
20:25:37  <Brianetta> It inhibits development
20:25:47  <Brianetta> forcing it into othe rbranches
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20:25:59  <Brianetta> where, once done, they have to be hand-merged
20:26:07  <Rubidium> pv2b: depends on what you mean by that; if the PNG is paletted and has 16 colors, it uses the order, otherwise it uses the (NTSC) brightness of that pixel
20:26:11  <Brianetta> Basically, nightly testing involves looking for the merge bugs.
20:26:53  <pv2b> Rubidium: yeah, i already have a PNG with colours representing different heights. now i just need to actually change the colours of it in a not-too-complicated way
20:27:14  <Sacro> peter1138: slovakia
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20:27:38  <peter1138> ?
20:27:42  <peter1138> oh
20:27:53  <RichK67> yeah true... i think some of it is a reaction to the whining and moaning from users... "the nightly doesnt work"... with them somehow expecting it to be 100% stable... so to avoid wiping the noses of snotty kids, dev work has moved away from trunk
20:28:01  <Rubidium> pv2b: for that I've got no solution; I've not generated any heightmaps myself
20:28:05  <pv2b> Rubidium: right
20:28:07  <Sacro> peter1138: i think... its been ages since he was in #newsignals
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20:28:22  <Brianetta> RichK67: The dev team needs to grow a pair and ignore whiners.
20:28:42  <Brianetta> Stable releases are for people who want no bugs.
20:28:51  <Sacro> id love to see a release with ALL the different branches
20:29:45  <RichK67> sure - but with so many developments on the go, the nightly would be going up 100s a week... and you are saying that it isnt stable now due to "too many updates"... ??
20:30:07  <Brianetta> I am not saying that
20:30:21  <RichK67> [21:25] Brianetta: Thing is, it is updated far too frequently to be stable  <-- >>
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20:30:26  <Brianetta> I'm saying it's kept stable, with only trivial updates (languages, etc)
20:30:54  <Brianetta> Keeping my server a real nightly actually got me complaints from players
20:31:04  <RichK67> including me :)
20:31:25  <Brianetta> Perhaps if the nightly actually exhinibted development progress, this wouldn't have been an issue.
20:31:28  <RichK67> it was getting silly...
20:31:41  <Brianetta> I think it's time for a dev fork.
20:31:50  <Sacro> yeah, updating every night for nothing different
20:33:29  <pv2b> i just kinda prefer to use the releases
20:33:36  <peter1138> if you can find a bunch of developers who'll fork...
20:33:49  <Brianetta> MiniIN is almost a fork
20:34:10  <Brianetta> but it's a bit unruly, and hampered by being kept in line with the trunk.
20:34:23  <RichK67> yeah, i would like to see a trunk for dev work, and a pre-release for bug fixes... bug fixes are ported back into the trunk, but the pre-release is essentially stable
20:34:46  <peter1138> i would be developing stuff in trunk
20:34:53  <RichK67> lol - unruly :)   and the dev would far rather be playing than merging ;)
20:34:56  <peter1138> except i've been really busy with work for the past 2 months
20:35:40  <RichK67> essentially the "pre-release" is what trunk is right now... essentially stable, but with only bug fixes, not new features
20:35:48  <Brianetta> peter1138: You'd be given a newgrf branch or something lame.
20:36:08  <peter1138> no i wouldn't
20:36:16  <Brianetta> It wasn't like this when Darkvater was in charge (:
20:36:19  <Sacro> newgrf_lab ...
20:36:35  <Sacro> BRING BACK MR VATER
20:36:38  <peter1138> that was for me & belugas to use instead of passing patches around all the time
20:36:55  <hylje> s/[A-Za-z0-9]/A/
20:37:12  <RichK67> same thing for TGP - it was getting silly that more TGP dev work was happening in the MiniIN branch... didnt make sense
20:37:13  <Sacro> hylje: thats kinda pointless
20:37:27  <peter1138> i've got a good patch coming up
20:37:35  <Born_Acorn> newsounds!
20:37:36  <Sacro> peter1138: ;)
20:37:37  <peter1138> no
20:37:40  <peter1138> although...
20:37:40  * Born_Acorn dies
20:37:42  <Sacro> :o NEWSOUDNS
20:37:44  <peter1138> refit costs
20:37:49  <Born_Acorn> newsoudns?
20:37:51  <Sacro> its been done hasnt it
20:37:57  <peter1138> what has?
20:37:58  <Sacro> i think MiniIN has it
20:38:04  <peter1138> dunno
20:38:11  <Born_Acorn> Calback 36! The Super Guppy in AV8!
20:38:12  <RichK67> yup - for about 2 months now
20:38:18  <peter1138> i don't track miniin
20:38:39  <peter1138> is it mine or mart3ps?
20:38:46  <RichK67> mart3p
20:38:49  <Born_Acorn> (I don't think he tracks miniin)
20:39:00  <Born_Acorn> (It's mart3p's)
20:39:08  <Born_Acorn> (whisper)
20:39:45  <peter1138> cost = _price.ship_base >> 7;
20:39:49  <peter1138> 's not in miniin
20:40:21  <peter1138> oh, it's the dodgy thing for rail vehicles only
20:40:49  <peter1138> (no offence to mart3p)
20:41:04  <peter1138> damn
20:41:10  <peter1138> i burnt my tongue on a spud
20:41:17  <Sacro> ouch
20:41:29  <peter1138> i'm still fucking compiling
20:41:30  <peter1138> grrr
20:41:42  <peter1138>  5302 peter     15   0 99.1m  23m 9416 S 28.9  4.6   7:19.69 beagled-helper
20:41:45  <peter1138> o_O
20:41:55  <Born_Acorn> peter1138, why does the extra newgrf not show up for planes?
20:42:03  <Born_Acorn> *extra newgrf text
20:42:17  <peter1138> because
20:42:19  <JohnUK89> ouch :S
20:42:20  <Born_Acorn> It's meant to be there in AV8, but no text!
20:42:29  <peter1138> it was only added for rail vehicles, hehe
20:42:36  <Born_Acorn> oh, it's the dodgy thing for rail vehicles only
20:42:37  <peter1138> lemme do this commit first
20:42:41  <Born_Acorn> :p
20:42:45  <peter1138> Born_Acorn: you're a dodgy thing
20:42:47  <peter1138> for rail vehicles only
20:42:48  <Born_Acorn> :o
20:42:54  <RichK67> thats the thing tho.... everyone else's stuff is regarded as "dodgy"... thats what holds up development... sure the full thing may not have been complete... but ppl could have been out there mass-testing mart3p's thing since june
20:42:54  <peter1138> except the roadset
20:42:55  <Born_Acorn> How uncouth
20:43:06  <Born_Acorn> yay
20:43:08  <Born_Acorn> roadset++
20:43:08  <peter1138> RichK67: in this case, mart3p considered his a hack ;)
20:43:29  <RichK67> the undodgy-ifying could happen while in use and it would continue mass-testing
20:44:25  <CIA-5> peter1138 * r5819 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): - NewGRF: add support for refit costs specified in NewGRF. This may affect the default refit costs for the default rail vehicles.
20:44:47  * peter1138 gives beagled-helper the old 18
20:44:58  <Born_Acorn> yay
20:45:09  <Born_Acorn> now refitting things will cost more!
20:45:12  <Born_Acorn> ...oh
20:45:14  <peter1138> or less!
20:45:14  <RichK67> the core algorithms of TGP have been essentially unchanged for 4 months... all the extra work recently has been on other items (gui, threading, etc.) ... but ppl could have been out there enjoying TGP terrains for all that time... it just slows life up
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20:45:54  <peter1138> RichK67: ok, but if i merge it will you throw a hissy fit and revert it?
20:46:08  <hylje> considered merging the stablest MiniIN-featured patches to trunk too?
20:46:12  <RichK67> nope - i wouldnt have at all... i am a gamer at heart
20:46:24  <Born_Acorn> games games games!
20:46:29  * Born_Acorn goes mental
20:46:30  <Brianetta> trunk needs a lot more shit in it.
20:46:46  <Brianetta> Any shit that needs testing.
20:46:51  <RichK67> btw - TGP is not my branch any more - so i would check with Truelight first :)
20:46:54  * Born_Acorn gives peter1138 a super secret test version of the UKRoadset!
20:47:15  <Born_Acorn> No. I lied.
20:47:29  <peter1138> :(
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20:47:48  <RichK67> Born_Acorn: cracking screenie i saw of UK roadset... very nice :)
20:47:57  <Born_Acorn> :o
20:48:02  <RichK67> just missing the orange cones every 30 yards ;)
20:48:08  <Born_Acorn> heehee
20:48:16  <JohnUK89> Richk67, hehe
20:48:26  * peter1138 grabs av8
20:48:32  <RichK67> and the signs saying "Cones Hotline" :)
20:48:43  <Born_Acorn> av8 is coolies.
20:48:51  <JohnUK89> And the 5 year long roadworks :P
20:49:08  <peter1138> -rw-r--r-- 1 peter peter 648365 2006-06-06 08:00 data/custom/pb_av8.grf
20:49:09  <Born_Acorn> JohnUK89, thats up to you and the "FundLocal Road reconstruction" button. :p
20:49:10  <peter1138> -rw-r--r-- 1 peter peter 1095376 2006-08-09 21:53 data/custom/pb_av8.grf
20:49:12  <peter1138> ouch
20:49:50  <JohnUK89> Born_Acorn, don't fancy hitting it 8 or 9 times ;-)
20:50:01  <Born_Acorn> I've been stalling with the UKRoadset by doing unnecessary things like adding Comment systems to my site. :p
20:50:38  <JohnUK89> Lol
20:50:44  <JohnUK89> I need to pick up some grfs
20:51:12  <Born_Acorn> All I need to do now is replace the forecourts of the bus and lorry bays, and get rid of some graphical erroors.
20:51:30  <JohnUK89> ooh :D
20:52:24  <Darkvater> backk :)
20:52:47  <JohnUK89> Fancy sliding me a WIP version Born_Acorn? :-p
20:52:52  <JohnUK89> wb Darkvater :0
20:52:55  <JohnUK89> :)*
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20:54:01  <Born_Acorn> Yer cheeky blighter!
20:54:13  <JohnUK89> Hehehe
20:54:17  <peter1138> Born_Acorn's sliding his thing?
20:54:28  <Born_Acorn> :o
20:54:29  <JohnUK89> peter1138: nooooo
20:55:26  <Born_Acorn> peter1138, check query window!
20:59:05  <Born_Acorn> echo!
20:59:49  <peter1138> oh
20:59:49  <peter1138> lol
20:59:51  <peter1138> fucking freenode
20:59:57  <peter1138> blocked my responses :/
21:00:03  <peter1138> lame
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21:00:27  <Brianetta> Freenode sucks.  Let's migrate.
21:00:41  <hylje> where?
21:00:41  <lws1984> to Quakenet!
21:00:44  <pv2b> oftc?
21:00:46  <hylje> omg quake.
21:00:50  <hylje> quaket vittuun.
21:00:51  <ln-> has been down for weeks!
21:01:01  <peter1138> let's join #tycoon ;)
21:01:11  <lws1984> no!
21:01:13  <RichK67> brianetta wants to get moving... migrate talker, fork dev... what next?
21:01:14  <lws1984> don't invade us!
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21:01:27  <hylje> invasion!
21:02:08  <CIA-5> peter1138 * r5820 /trunk/ (aircraft_gui.c roadveh_gui.c ship_gui.c vehicle_gui.c): - NewGRF: Add support for extra vehicle text in the purchase list for road vehicles, aircraft and ships.
21:02:22  <Brianetta> oftc is good
21:02:26  <Brianetta> blitzed is good
21:02:42  <hylje> ircnet?
21:02:50  <pv2b> ircnet > *
21:02:52  <Brianetta> ew
21:02:55  <peter1138> hmm, what else
21:04:42  * Darkvater congrats peter1138 with his first commit this week ;)
21:06:20  <CIA-5> richk * r5821 /branches/MiniIN/lang/polish.txt:
21:06:20  <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: Added Polish translations for MiniIN.
21:06:20  <CIA-5> Many thanks to ddream for patch.
21:08:00  <peter1138> second ;p
21:08:12  <Darkvater> sorry :+
21:08:19  <peter1138> however
21:08:23  <peter1138> month is more like it
21:08:26  <peter1138> err
21:08:34  <peter1138> including july, heh
21:08:42  <peter1138> well, i guess sync with trunk don't really count
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21:11:47  <CIA-5> peter1138 * r5822 /trunk/ (5 files): - NewGRF: add support for callback 31, vehicle start/stop check. This allows a set to disallow a vehicle from being started, i.e. to not be able to leave the depot. This is almost a partner to callback 1D.
21:12:00  <Darkvater> o_O
21:12:05  <Darkvater> look who's busy :D
21:12:30  <peter1138> my patches dir stops at the end of june ;(
21:12:39  <peter1138> hmm, 2cc
21:12:46  * Darkvater gives peter some more patches
21:12:57  <peter1138> i've a my own back log ta ;p
21:13:33  <peter1138> although r5820 was just written
21:14:36  <peter1138> hmm, freighttrains patch
21:14:49  <Darkvater> ohoh, do do!
21:14:57  <peter1138> i think miniin has this already
21:15:09  <peter1138> my patch is called "freighttrainsminiin.diff"
21:15:19  <peter1138> rejects!
21:16:00  <peter1138> oh, i see
21:16:05  <peter1138> cargo subtypes
21:16:06  <peter1138> hmm
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21:16:52  <peter1138> Darkvater: this is a patch option
21:17:06  <peter1138> what do i need to do with respect to savegames etc
21:17:10  <RichK67> yup, i may need some guidance on what you have added that i need to remove from miniin first before i sync with trunk
21:17:19  <Darkvater> peter1138: I assume it is not player-based?
21:17:31  <peter1138> nope
21:17:42  <Darkvater> then just a simple 0
21:17:55  <peter1138> save games stay compat?
21:18:13  <peter1138> hmm
21:18:22  <Darkvater> yes, add min/max-version and bump savegame version
21:18:25  <peter1138> i appear to have put an SDT_CONDVAR in this build
21:18:27  <peter1138> ah
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21:18:28  <peter1138> right
21:18:38  <Darkvater> isn't it SDT_CONDBOOL?
21:18:49  <peter1138> then the anti-save-game-bump people will ATTACK ME!
21:18:52  <peter1138> no, it's an int
21:18:52  <Darkvater> this reminds me; where's kudr?
21:19:12  <peter1138> maybe it's not what you thought it was ;p
21:19:32  <peter1138> 21:27 < Sacro> peter1138: slovakia
21:19:33  <Guest56> how can i reduce the number of disconnects in multiplayer?
21:19:42  <Darkvater> kick all players ;p
21:19:44  <peter1138> dont' connect in the first place
21:19:46  <peter1138> then you can't disconnect
21:19:47  <peter1138> shit
21:19:51  <peter1138> that sounds like a bjarni answer
21:20:20  <Guest56> any helpful answers? :P
21:20:20  <JohnUK89> Get a better net connection :-p
21:20:26  * hylje bumps the savegames
21:20:27  <Guest56> dsl
21:20:33  <Guest56> 2mbit
21:21:04  <Bjarni> yeah
21:21:05  <Darkvater> Guest56: just the usual, make sure every player uses the same version and same newgrf files
21:21:10  <Bjarni> I would also say kick all players :P
21:21:19  <JohnUK89> Strange...I can keep sync on GPRS...~64kbit
21:21:33  <JohnUK89> But as Darkvater says :P
21:21:49  <Guest56> we have exactly the same version
21:21:56  <Darkvater> and some people have reported 0.4.8-RC2 has cut down on the desyncs
21:22:10  <Darkvater> although I don't remember doing any such work, but you can try that
21:22:12  <JohnUK89> newgrfs?
21:22:28  <Guest56> also the same, ziped and sent the game folder
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21:23:18  <glx> same newgrf order in openttd.cfg?
21:23:30  <Guest56> yes
21:25:02  <Guest56> sometimes it works for hours without problems and then again desync every minute
21:25:04  <JohnUK89> Guest56: what version of OTTD/
21:25:11  <glx> I heard that some newgrf are causing desyncs
21:25:11  <JohnUK89> ?*
21:25:22  <CIA-5> richk * r5823 /branches/MiniIN/ (7 files): (log message trimmed)
21:25:22  <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [AdditionalOrders]: Fixes:
21:25:22  <CIA-5> - Some coding style errors
21:25:22  <CIA-5> - Changed the "Service at" button as SirkoZ suggested
21:25:22  <CIA-5> - Fixed the desync caused by using the station settings in Multiplayer
21:25:23  <CIA-5> - Fixed the loading bug by replacing a train engine by hand in depot
21:25:25  <CIA-5> Many thanks to gigajum for ongoing support of his patch.
21:25:37  <hylje> changelog: - Some coding style errors
21:26:06  <RichK67> his words, not mine
21:26:07  <peter1138> hylje: - Somd coding style errors
21:26:12  <peter1138> wait
21:26:21  <Guest56> tried different versions last with miniin 5663
21:26:22  <peter1138> it's just as senseless the second time
21:27:04  <RichK67> makes perfect sense to me... this patch "fixes some coding style errors"
21:27:53  <Guest56> [23:25:10] <glx> I heard that some newgrf are causing desyncs <-- do you know which ones?
21:28:01  <glx> no :(
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21:28:15  <peter1138> RichK67: yes, that makes sense. hylje's copying of it doesn't
21:28:44  <RichK67> iirc, us stations...
21:28:48  <hylje> out of context wins? :)
21:29:02  <Guest56> hmm us stations...
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21:31:35  * peter1138 fondly remembers the days of newstations causing openttd to throw a spazz
21:33:36  <CIA-5> richk * r5824 /branches/MiniIN/saveload.c:
21:33:36  <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [Copy/Paste]: Fix: Bridges did not load from templates (but were saved).
21:33:36  <CIA-5> Many thanks to Frostregen for the two brackets ;)
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21:35:36  <hylje> speaking of brackets, dont you love it when you have a single (1) missing somewhere in 10 thousand lines of code
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21:38:47  <Darkvater> peter1138: yeah, those were the times *g*
21:39:06  <Darkvater> peter1138: now if we were to add UTF8 and realistic acceleration... :D
21:40:19  <CIA-5> richk * r5825 /branches/MiniIN/tunnelbridge_cmd.c:
21:40:19  <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [UpgradeBridgesInSitu]: Replacing a bridge with the same one of another rail type was not working. Now it does.
21:40:19  <CIA-5> Many thanks to gigajum for patch.
21:40:31  <hylje> realistic acceleration! noes
21:41:18  <RichK67> add physics instead ... far better
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21:42:53  <hylje> havok
21:42:54  <hylje> :D
21:43:14  <hylje> fun times debugging that so trains dont explode from moving
21:45:10  <CIA-5> richk * r5826 /branches/MiniIN/ (patches/MiniINpatches.txt town_cmd.c):
21:45:10  <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [TownBridgesSpacing]: Added patch. Prevents towns from building bridges within two tiles to another bridge.
21:45:10  <CIA-5> Many thanks to gigajum for patch.
21:47:52  <hylje> i suggest merging those town-related patches to trunk
21:50:15  <RichK67> wow......look at that... low flying pigs
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21:53:50  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:58:05  * JohnUK89 needs reboot...brb
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22:03:24  <JohnUK89> back lol
22:09:13  <CIA-5> richk * r5827 /branches/MiniIN/ (14 files in 5 dirs):
22:09:13  <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [DiagonalCrossings]: Adds diagonal level crossing support. Savegame version bumped to 39.
22:09:13  <CIA-5> Many thanks to Maedhros for MiniIN version of patch.
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22:14:11  <Zorix> i have a cd with transport tycoon
22:14:18  <JohnUK89> brb
22:14:20  <Zorix> i guess its the dos version.. none of the files required are in there
22:14:43  <Zorix> i found the
22:14:47  <Zorix> but the other ones dont exist
22:15:29  <Zorix> any ideas?
22:15:51  <Zorix> i must have an unsupported version apparently
22:16:07  <Gonozal_VIII> <-- you can get the files there
22:16:32  <Zorix> ok
22:16:46  <Zorix> but any idea why my original one doesnt have the right files?
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22:17:33  <Gonozal_VIII> is it deluxe?
22:17:38  <Zorix> yes
22:17:42  <Zorix> says deluxe on the side
22:18:30  <Gonozal_VIII> no idea then
22:18:44  <Zorix> i see grf files
22:18:48  <Zorix> but tnot the same ones
22:18:54  <glx> give the names
22:19:03  <Zorix> tredit.grf
22:19:13  <Zorix> trend.grf
22:19:17  <Zorix> trhcom2.grf
22:19:23  <Zorix> trhcom.grf
22:19:33  <Zorix> trtitle.grf
22:19:41  <glx> it's not TTD
22:19:46  <Zorix> what is it
22:19:58  <Zorix> syas transport tycoon deluxe on the cd and the cover
22:20:23  <Zorix> and the installer says it too
22:20:43  <Zorix> the screenshots on the back look a lot like the stuff in the openttd screens
22:21:09  <CIA-5> richk * r5828 /branches/MiniIN/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
22:21:09  <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [DragBuyingLand]: Drag/drop buying land with the purchase tool. Does not work in multiplayer to deter nasty play.
22:21:09  <CIA-5> Many thanks to Wolf01 for patch.
22:21:28  <Zorix> any idea?
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22:24:50  <glx> Zorix: Mars edition it seems
22:25:23  <Zorix> heh
22:25:40  <Zorix> maybe i should iso it for the developers to look at? some unknown version?
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22:30:26  <Zorix> who would i talk to
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22:33:11  <SpComb> wasn't the mars thing an addon?
22:33:15  *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro
22:33:22  <hylje> kinda
22:33:23  <Zorix> mars?
22:33:27  <hylje> mars tileset
22:34:30  <Zorix> i thought that was a joke
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22:35:54  <Zorix> what is TTO
22:36:11  <hylje> transport tycoon original
22:36:57  <Zorix> ah
22:37:08  <Zorix> i did a search on one of the files thats what the form says i have
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22:38:30  <Zorix> sucks
22:38:34  <hylje> :/
22:38:53  <Zorix> dunno why it says deluxe on the cd and the manual
22:40:13  <RichK67> delusions of grandeur ;)
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22:42:54  <Zorix> seems so
22:49:40  <Belugas_Gone> 3333
22:50:22  <Sacro> Belugas_Gone: 4444?
22:50:43  <pv2b> 5555
22:50:54  <lws1984> 6666
22:51:20  <Sacro> 7777
22:51:28  <lws1984> 8888
22:51:32  <pv2b> 9999
22:51:34  <pv2b> you lose
22:51:36  <lws1984> 10101010
22:51:39  <lws1984> binary!
22:51:43  <RichK67> rwxrwxrwxrwx = 7777
22:51:43  <Sacro> AAAA
22:51:53  <lws1984> oh god, here we go again
22:51:54  <pv2b> no.
22:51:58  <Sacro> RichK67: errm, who is the 4th?
22:52:02  <RichK67> god
22:52:02  <pv2b> rwsrwSrwt = 7777
22:52:03  * lws1984 points at the no AAA-ing sign
22:52:23  <Sacro> B000 - 1
22:53:23  <pv2b> in spain, first you marry, *then* you statoil!
22:53:59  <RichK67> omfg - what the **** has happened to the file sort order... if you sort by date, it uses the bloody game date, not the file date... really handy for games that have hit 2090...
22:54:22  <Sacro> hehe
22:54:49  <RichK67> in fact, its worse than that... it sorts by the day and month only.... ignores year
22:55:06  <Sacro> ouch
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22:56:21  <RichK67> now to find the offending commit and uncommit it from miniin
22:56:57  <Belugas_Gone> oups... sorry... my son hit the keyboard while i was away :)
22:57:31  <Darkvater> RichK67: it doesn't sort by date; my fault
22:57:53  <Darkvater> just found out
22:57:57  <RichK67> ah - its a bad un
22:58:30  <RichK67> my Pile Transport saves (with differing savegameversions) are now in random order ;)
22:58:58  <Darkvater> wtf
22:59:45  <Sacro> Belugas_Gone: it kept us amused
22:59:49  <Darkvater> goddammit, fucking MSDN fucking crap
22:59:59  <Sacro> Darkvater: calm down :)
23:00:19  <RichK67> its only a commercial :)
23:00:25  <Darkvater> so that is stat.mtime?
23:00:36  <Darkvater> stat.st_mtime on windows?
23:00:39  <Darkvater> time_t st_mtime;
23:00:41  <Darkvater> of course
23:00:43  <Darkvater> what is time_t?
23:00:48  <Darkvater> __int64
23:00:58  <Darkvater> what is it when I debug? long (32 bit)
23:01:04  <Darkvater> crappy shit
23:01:31  <Darkvater> ah __int64 on WIN64, 32bit on normal windows
23:01:33  <Darkvater> yippee
23:01:48  <Darkvater> stupid fuckwindows
23:01:49  <Darkvater> jezus
23:03:06  * Darkvater kicks windows in the nuts
23:03:31  <hylje> Darkvater: "wtf is this shit"
23:03:37  <CIA-5> richk * r5829 /branches/MiniIN/ (56 files in 7 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk: r5670:5800
23:04:49  <lws1984> Darkvater: wnidows doesn't have any!
23:07:14  <RichK67> yeah... just nails, and self-tapping screws... most of which are loose ;)
23:08:31  <mikk36> just a question: would anyone be willing to send his old nokia 3310 to me? :)
23:11:34  <Sacro> hmm, i lost mine :(
23:14:23  <CIA-5> richk * r5830 /branches/MiniIN/ (11 files in 2 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk: r5800:5813
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23:17:24  <Born_Acorn> Thanks to RichK67 I get SVN Digests by the dozen. :p
23:19:39  <RichK67> hey - its my first updates in over a week... ive been getting lax.... loads of good stuff to get in :)
23:20:31  <RichK67> i will hold fire on aircraft queuing until the weekend... i want to test it reasonably
23:20:55  <Sacro> RichK67: diagonal crossings!
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23:21:35  <RichK67> yup - and they are COOL :)
23:21:44  <Maedhros> :)
23:22:23  <Sacro> RichK67: mergy mergy?
23:22:46  <RichK67> even Wolf01's dragdrop purchase land made it tonite
23:23:16  <RichK67> [23:09] CIA-5: richk * r5827 /branches/MiniIN/ (14 files in 5 dirs):
23:23:16  <RichK67> [23:09] CIA-5: [MiniIN]: [DiagonalCrossings]: Adds diagonal level crossing support. Savegame version bumped to 39.
23:23:16  <RichK67> [23:09] CIA-5: Many thanks to Maedhros for MiniIN version of patch.
23:23:42  <RichK67> Sacro: you obviously missed it ;)
23:23:56  <Sacro> wow, nice
23:24:00  <Sacro> yeah i was at the pub
23:24:10  <RichK67> fair enough
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23:25:20  <mikk36> hmm.. is anyone here good with electronics ?
23:25:22  <Gonozal_VIII> aircraft queuing looks cool, the planes form kind of a doublehelix while waiting
23:25:30  <RichK67> yeah - ive been busy tonite - 3 fixes, 4 new patches, sync with trunk (most of the way)
23:25:31  <Sacro> mikk36: me kinda
23:25:45  * publunch is away: zzzz
23:26:02  <mikk36> could u show me parts needed to connect computers reset pins with a relay ?
23:26:03  <mikk36>
23:26:10  <Sacro> publunch: no away messages
23:26:23  <mikk36> from phones led
23:27:11  <RichK67> ah - so dial this number to reset the PC :)
23:27:16  <mikk36> yes
23:27:28  <mikk36> windows shitted itself again while updating
23:27:34  <Bjarni> so every time somebody calls you (even wrong number) will reset your computer?
23:27:38  <magus_> =p
23:27:57  <RichK67> you will love the US autodiallers :)   "you have won a cruise in florida"... reset....
23:28:10  <mikk36> i don't live in the US
23:28:26  <RichK67> neither do i!! i still get the calls
23:28:34  <mikk36> well, i'm far from there :P
23:28:42  <Bjarni> we got a law against them here, so I don't :D
23:29:09  <Bjarni> mikk36: those prices are in Estonian kr, right?
23:29:19  <mikk36> yes
23:29:24  <Born_Acorn> Is diag crossings trunk material or not trunk material?
23:29:41  <mikk36> 1 € = 15.6466 EEK
23:29:50  <pv2b> eek!
23:29:53  <Bjarni> some of this looks cheap, specially compared to our prices
23:30:22  <RichK67> Born_Acorn: definitely trunk... one minor graphics glitch ive spotted
23:30:22  <mikk36> most stuff is from ELFA cataloque
23:30:37  <mikk36> so from sweden
23:30:56  <Born_Acorn> RichK67, is the coding style all good and consistant?
23:31:01  <RichK67> ill post a screenie
23:31:14  <Born_Acorn> (as thats what matters to the developers who get the say on trunk)
23:31:17  <RichK67> bah - i cant tell... im not qualified to judge
23:31:42  <Bjarni> you have to be aware that here we got a pretty strict law about what is allowed to be connected to the phone cable to avoid problems at the phone company
23:31:43  * Born_Acorn already compiled and applied the diff
23:31:49  <Bjarni> odds are that you got the same
23:31:52  <Maedhros> Born_Acorn: the coding style could probably be worked on a bit more ;)
23:32:04  <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: wrong order... apply before compile :P
23:32:05  <Born_Acorn> Ah, hello!
23:32:06  <RichK67> i follow function not form... if it works, and isnt buggy, and has enough comments, i dont care if it has an extra space between the ( and the variable :)
23:32:11  <Born_Acorn> well. applied then compiled.
23:32:46  <Born_Acorn> I'll do it Bjarni's way for now.
23:32:46  <Born_Acorn> :p
23:33:19  <Bjarni> mikk36: you would like your end result to be a phone number you can call and then the computer hard resets?
23:33:25  <Eddi|zuHause> bow to the mighty knowledge of the Bjarni! ;)
23:35:09  <Bjarni> mikk36: I know of a device that can turn power on and off when it receives SMS messages
23:35:19  <Bjarni> I just don't know where to get it
23:36:00  <pv2b> are you trying to find some way to remote-power-cycle equipment using a phone line?
23:36:09  <Maedhros> RichK67: have you got the screenie of the graphical glitch around?
23:36:31  <Maedhros> i've noticed that the lights don't flash properly in MiniIN, but they work fine in trunk with the same grf...
23:36:33  <kjetil> I guess you could use the MBUS of a old nokia pone
23:36:36  <kjetil> phone
23:36:41  <pv2b> you can get off-the-shelf stuff which either passes power or not to a normal 230 V device, and is controlled by DTMF codes when dialing it
23:36:55  <pv2b> why don't you get yourself one of those?
23:37:04  <Bjarni> pv2b: he wants to call his windows computer to hard reset it each time it crashes :p
23:37:16  <pv2b> Bjarni: he can do that if he gets one of those.
23:37:22  <mikk36> i just want to reset my server by gsm
23:37:37  <mikk36> and do it the cheapest way
23:37:47  <pv2b> the absolute cheapest way is just to wire up a relay.
23:37:56  <mikk36> yes
23:38:07  <Bjarni> mikk36: you can hire a Chinese and then call him whenever he have to press the reset button
23:38:16  <mikk36> lol,sure
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23:38:39  <mikk36> maybe he gets bored and starts playing with the reset button ?
23:38:44  <kjetil> I guess you can hook it up to a relay that is driven buy the phone vibration system
23:38:57  <Bjarni> mikk36: good point
23:39:02  <Bjarni> hire a Japanese instead
23:39:06  <mikk36> kjetil, then i'd ave to get a phone that still vibrates when plugged to the charger
23:39:17  <RichK67> Maedhros: screenie posted
23:39:17  <pv2b> just hook it up with the relay control coil across the phone line
23:39:26  <pv2b> and with the reset line across the breaking line
23:39:27  <Bjarni> they got high loyalty
23:39:30  <kjetil> pv2b: gsm, not landline
23:39:30  <mikk36> phone line ?
23:39:55  <pv2b> kjetil: oh... okay.
23:40:01  <mikk36> it'd be good to be driven by LED power
23:40:04  <kjetil> Bjarni: He would probably commit ritual suicide if he misses a call
23:40:05  <Sacro> RichK67: screenie?
23:40:05  <pv2b> kjetil: you know arabic?
23:40:10  <RichK67> the lights seem to flash ok on mine... what should it look like
23:40:16  <kjetil> pv2b: no :/
23:40:16  <pv2b> kjetil: google for some terrorist sites
23:40:20  <RichK67>
23:40:21  <kjetil> hahah
23:40:21  <Bjarni> kjetil: so... you just hire a new one
23:40:24  <pv2b> kjetil: they've been blowing up bombs with mobile phones for ages
23:40:34  <Bjarni> the old one broke and needed replacement :p
23:40:38  <kjetil> Bjarni: but the server would be all bloody and stuff
23:40:41  <pv2b> kjetil: it's bound to be just a simple modificaction of that type of circuit
23:40:51  <kjetil> yeah, probably
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23:40:57  <Bjarni> kjetil: so you start by making the replacement clean the computer
23:41:06  <Kjetil> hahah
23:41:19  <pv2b> Kjetil: do you care about your old phone or not?
23:41:31  <Sacro> RichK67: i dont see that as being a glitch
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23:41:40  <Sacro> IRL you dont see a junction on a level crossing
23:41:54  <pv2b> Kjetil: in other words, is it okay to take it apart?
23:41:59  <Kjetil> ask mikk36
23:42:02  <RichK67> true - so does the tile need a fence along that side?
23:42:03  <Bjarni> Sacro: you do, but they are pretty rare
23:42:12  <Kjetil> it's his problem :)
23:42:19  <mikk36> i don't care about the looks of the phone
23:42:31  <mikk36> i've already killed one phone by testing :P
23:42:36  <mikk36> didn't boot up any more
23:42:42  <Kjetil> how about an optocoupler hooked up to the phone
23:42:53  <pv2b> mikk36: then you should just be able to take out the vibrator motor, hook that up to drive a relay, and conect that over the reset line
23:43:14  <pv2b> if it can drive a motor, it can probably short a relay :-)
23:43:16  <mikk36> <mikk36> kjetil, then i'd ave to get a phone that still vibrates when plugged to the charger
23:43:27  <RichK67> hows about use the phone to ring someone who goes and presses the button ;)
23:43:29  <pv2b> mikk36: is it a siemens phone?
23:43:53  <mikk36> currently i have a spare nokia 6150, without vibra at all
23:44:06  <mikk36> RichK67, i can visit the server twice a month for free
23:44:15  <Bjarni> <RichK67>	hows about use the phone to ring someone who goes and presses the button ;) <-- I already said he can hire an Asian, but he decided on electronics for some reason
23:44:15  <mikk36> server housing u know
23:44:19  <pv2b> mikk36: right. what you could do in that case would be to rip out the ring speaker
23:44:44  <Bjarni> ahh
23:44:51  <Bjarni> pv2b actually got a good idea
23:44:54  <mikk36> hmm... and could u show me which relay i should buy ?
23:45:09  <Bjarni> you would need to amplify that signal though
23:45:15  <pv2b> mikk36: rectify the speaker current, smooth it, and hook up a transistor or something which pulls it to ground when it rings
23:45:29  <smeding> quick question - how do i enable music again
23:45:32  <pv2b> Bjarni: not neccessarilly amplify it -- the phone already sends out an amplified signal to the speaker
23:45:40  <smeding> i think they were additional files but i don't know which ones
23:45:47  <pv2b> Bjarni: should be more than enough to pull the reset pin to ground imo
23:46:02  <Kjetil> the speaker signal will never be able to drive a relay
23:46:02  <Bjarni> that's possible
23:46:12  * Sacro considers looking at the cargo packets branch
23:46:19  <pv2b> Kjetil: not a relay, no, but you can pull the reset pin directly
23:46:29  <Kjetil> ah
23:46:34  <Bjarni> I actually don't know the effect usage in the speaker of a mobile phone
23:46:36  <pv2b> Kjetil: the relay was a great idea when we were still considering ring voltage
23:47:09  <pv2b> though, you may have some trouble with that idea.
23:47:13  <Sacro> ring voltage here is 50V
23:47:33  <pv2b> for example, what happens if the charger hops out?
23:47:37  <Sacro> ive considered phoning myself up and charging my mobile from it
23:47:55  * Kjetil would probably done something more fancy like a mbus interface
23:47:57  <pv2b> if it's like my ericsson phone, it'll do a "plong" when it's disconnected, which, if you're not careful, will reset your comptuer
23:48:16  <pv2b> though those types of tones are usually more quiet, and with a well set potentiometer, you should be able to avoid that
23:48:21  <Bjarni> Sacro: so in order to save on the power bill, you will steal power from the phone company?
23:48:29  <Bjarni> that idea fits you somehow
23:48:37  <Maedhros> RichK67: what sort of fencing do you have in mind? and wouldn't it look out of place next to road tiles without fences?
23:48:53  <pv2b> Sacro: one problem with that idea. how will you call yourself?
23:48:56  <Sacro> Bjarni: yes
23:49:13  <Sacro> pv2b: mobile calls landline which charges mobile
23:49:23  <Sacro> you just have to do it before it dies
23:49:33  <pv2b> Sacro: which means the mobile pulls more current, and it does it all the time while charging
23:49:58  <Kjetil> mikk36: isn't there a "call" led on the 6510 ?
23:50:04  <pv2b> Sacro: which kinda breaks your power budget
23:50:05  <mikk36> call led ?
23:50:27  <Kjetil> it lights up when there is an incomming call
23:50:40  <mikk36>
23:50:46  <Sacro> pv2b: stop with your logic
23:50:52  <mikk36> the whole phone lights up
23:50:59  <Kjetil>
23:51:02  <pv2b> i just had an idea, if you don't want to have to break your phone
23:51:13  <Born_Acorn> Maedhros, wouldn't tg1r.grf sprite numbers 1301-1302 come to mind? (being the railway fences)
23:51:31  <pv2b> hook up a transistor with the collector and emitter across your reset pin, and the base pin on the microphone (which is also grounded in the computer)
23:51:37  <pv2b> on a microphone
23:51:47  <mikk36> ?
23:52:06  <Born_Acorn> It would meet existing railway fences and show it's a "no go zone"
23:52:12  <pv2b> when there's a loud noise, there'll be a signal which is amplified by the transistor, which in turn resets your comptuer
23:52:27  <mikk36> there is a lot of loud noise in the server room :P
23:52:33  <mikk36> my pc isn't the only one there
23:52:46  * Maedhros looks
23:52:48  <RichK67> Maedhros: as Born_Acorn says...
23:52:52  <pv2b> mikk36: yes, so tape the microphone directly to the speaker of the phone and make it *very* insensitive
23:52:58  <Bjarni> mikk36: I got a software solution for you
23:53:00  <Sacro> i still like the idea of calling a guy to do it manually
23:53:02  <Bjarni> install linux ;)
23:53:08  <mikk36> can't :P
23:53:11  <Sacro> or as Bjarni suggests... ssh
23:53:19  <mikk36> ssh?
23:53:29  <Sacro> mikk36: ssh
23:53:32  <mikk36> i need it to work when everything else fails
23:53:38  <Sacro> Linux :)
23:53:40  <mikk36> just a nice reset
23:54:13  <mikk36> pv2b, i think i'd prefer the ringer thingie
23:54:20  <Bjarni> I wonder.... you got the server and wants the power to reset it, yet you can't install linux on it?
23:54:25  <pv2b> that, or hook it up to the backlight of the phone
23:54:40  <pv2b> the backlight lights up when you ring it, right?
23:54:45  <mikk36> yes
23:54:51  <RichK67> Maedhros: of course, rail in arctic above snowline doesnt have fences... ah! the joys of the final few problems :)
23:54:52  <Kjetil> *goes in his spare parts box and gets two cellphones*
23:55:27  <Kjetil> and it also lights up if someone touches it ?
23:56:47  <pv2b> mikk36: oooh ooh! and another idea
23:56:52  <pv2b> mikk36: without taking apart the cell phone
23:57:04  <pv2b> mikk36: tape a photocell to the display
23:57:27  <pv2b> mikk36: when the display lights up, the photocell will detect light, and your circuit will have the computer reset
23:57:44  <magus_> lol
23:57:51  <pv2b> mikk36: remember to place the cell phone in a metal box or something though, so other ambient light fluctuations won't kill it
23:58:04  <pv2b> err
23:58:07  <pv2b> not in a metal box
23:58:09  <magus_> nice idea
23:58:10  <pv2b> that'll kill your signal
23:58:12  <pv2b> cardboard box :-)
23:58:22  <mikk36> pv2b, could u please show me the parts needed now ?
23:58:22  <mikk36>

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