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00:02:56 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCE85B2.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 00:06:22 <Bjarni> mikk36: that's kind of tricky as we can't read Estonian :p 00:06:32 <pv2b> Bjarni: ?lng=eng 00:06:53 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 00:07:05 <Bjarni> well, it still shows up in Estonian here 00:07:07 <pv2b> mikk36: i'm not sure, but you _may_ be able to get away with just a phototransistor. 00:07:23 <mikk36> Bjarni, look at the product catalogue at the left 00:07:23 <pv2b> and some wiring of course 00:08:22 <pv2b> make sure you get a phototransistor without a visible-light filter though 00:08:26 <pv2b> else it'll be sensitive only to infrared 00:08:28 <pv2b> and you don't want that 00:08:42 <mikk36> could u find me one from that page ? 00:10:57 <Maedhros> RichK67: Born<tab>: so you're looking for something like this? http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/crossing_fences.png 00:11:12 <Maedhros> ('tis a very rough first attempt, obviously ;) 00:11:17 <pv2b> you could like... search for "phototransistor" or something 00:11:26 <mikk36> http://www.tevalo.ee/cgi-bin/web_store.cgi?ec=25a2b2c&lng=eng ? 00:11:38 <pv2b> yeah, those are phototransistors 00:11:58 <pv2b> but i have no way of knowing whether they'll be able to reset your motherboard direcctly 00:12:02 <pv2b> or if you'll need external components 00:12:10 <Sacro> RichK67: player_gui.c: In function 'DrawPlayerEconomyStats': 00:12:10 <Sacro> player_gui.c:49: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type 00:12:15 <mikk36> damn 00:13:06 <Maedhros> Sacro: that's in trunk, too. when i asked, peter1138 said it was actually a gcc bug 00:13:09 <RichK67> Maedhros: yes, but on the other side :) blocking the road connection 00:13:23 <Sacro> physics.h:143: warning: 'SqrtLinApprox' defined but not used 00:13:25 <Maedhros> RichK67: yeah - "rough draft" :-P 00:13:34 <mikk36> pv2b, but what's this ? 00:13:34 <mikk36> http://www.tevalo.ee/cgi-bin/web_store.cgi?artnr=75-354-20&lng=eng 00:13:53 <RichK67> Sacro: the physics one i dont understand... since the function *is* used... 00:16:51 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:17:16 <Sacro> :D killed MiniIN 00:17:16 <pv2b> mikk36: that could work too, depending on how your motherboard is built. 00:17:24 <mikk36> just a default mobo 00:17:28 <Sacro> RichK67: i just disconnected a train 00:17:40 <pv2b> mikk36: yeah, though what you're doing isn't really something that's standard 00:17:59 <pv2b> mikk36: typically, the reset switch ports just assume you're oging to connect a swithc to them which closes and opens 00:18:01 <mikk36> a new thought... what if we connect that light sensor to a relay ? 00:18:07 <Sacro> RichK67: we have a bug 00:18:14 <Sacro> Maedhros: bug found :P 00:18:17 <pv2b> yeah, you could do that, but it'd be a more complicated circuit 00:18:34 <pv2b> you'd have to have to have some stage which amplified the signal from the photodiode 00:18:41 <pv2b> you're not going to trigger a relay with 20 mA of current 00:18:44 <RichK67> well.. spill the beans man 00:18:48 <pv2b> or 50 mA 00:18:49 <Maedhros> Sacro: bugger. what happened? 00:18:57 <pv2b> at least i dont think so 00:18:59 <pv2b> maybe. 00:19:15 <Sacro> i just built a peice of road, on a diagonal track with a train on it 00:19:44 *** LadyHawk is now known as DaZeD 00:19:55 <mikk36> hmm 00:20:08 <Sacro> it seems that the check if a tile has a junction on, is bypassed if theres a train there 00:20:13 <Sacro> however it disconnects the train 00:20:44 *** DaZeD is now known as LadyHawk 00:20:56 <mikk36> hmm.. i'm going for a test 00:21:10 <Maedhros> it shouldn't allow building at all if there's a train on the tile... have you got a savegame handy? 00:21:29 <Sacro> Maedhros: yes, but theres a LOT of newgrfs :( 00:21:40 <Bjarni> goodnight people 00:21:40 <Sacro> hang on, ill knock it up wiht a new cfg file 00:21:43 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50c79a2e.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:22:20 <pv2b> mikk36: do you have a multimeter? 00:23:00 <RichK67> ok gn... if you get a fix, please post it in the MiniIN TODO thread in Suggestions forum 00:23:03 <RichK67> thanks 00:23:19 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 00:23:47 <Sacro> grr, i can reproduce it in that save, but not in another 00:24:34 <mikk36> pv2b, no 00:24:53 <mikk36> i have a spare working mobo here 00:24:55 <mikk36> old one 00:25:05 <mikk36> i'm going to test the reset switch on it :) 00:25:12 <mikk36> with different methods 00:25:42 <pv2b> that won't be helpful 00:25:53 <pv2b> different mobos can implement the reset switch differently 00:25:56 <pv2b> it's not in a standard or a spec 00:26:02 <pv2b> i don't think so anyway 00:26:08 *** jailbreaker_ [n=teodory@mail.jetfinanceintl.com] has joined #openttd 00:26:21 *** jailbreaker [n=teodory@mail.jetfinanceintl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:26:46 <mikk36> so wat do u suggest ? 00:27:07 <pv2b> it's hard to suggest anything if you don't have basic measuring equipment really 00:27:27 <pv2b> if you're very lucky, just connecting a photodiode over the reset pins will work fine 00:27:34 <pv2b> err 00:27:37 <pv2b> a phototransistor i mean 00:28:22 <pv2b> that's if: your phone gives enough light and the phototransistor can pass enough current to make the computer reset 00:29:32 *** luckzeh [n=alcy@ipd50af103.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:29:38 <mikk36> ie if an usual LED can reset it then it should work ? 00:29:52 *** luckzeh [n=alcy@ipd50af103.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 00:30:14 <pv2b> actually, reading a little, i don't think just a phototransistor will work 00:30:31 <mikk36> cause it will always pass electrcity ? 00:30:45 <pv2b> no, because it won't pass enough to pull the reset pin down, i think 00:31:13 <mikk36> pull? 00:31:38 <Sacro> you just short it 00:31:45 <mikk36> and ? 00:31:48 <pv2b> it all dependso n how the motherboard is constructed, and without an idea of how it works it's impossible to know. 00:32:14 <mikk36> ie. u're saying that connecting a LED directly to the reset pins won't reset the mobo ? 00:32:19 <pv2b> Sacro: it all depends on how the motherboard detects it's shorted, and how much current it expects to pull through the switch, if it detects it by there being a ground voltage or what. 00:32:29 <Sacro> Maedhros: http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=478279#478279 00:32:31 <pv2b> mikk36: oh, you're talking about disassembling the phone. 00:32:37 <mikk36> ? 00:32:42 <mikk36> no 00:32:58 <pv2b> what then does a led have to do with any of this? 00:33:13 <mikk36> that opto-switch creates 50mA of power @ ~3-4V 00:33:32 <mikk36> and i've got enough leds here with 3.2V ~20-30mA 00:33:53 <pv2b> ... and? 00:33:58 *** JohnUK89 [n=John@host217-32-127-237.webport.bt.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:07 <mikk36> if i connect a LED directly to the reset pins, it should reset, right ? 00:34:13 <pv2b> an active led? 00:34:18 <mikk36> just an usual LED 00:34:37 <pv2b> if you connect the LED the "right" way even when it's not powered, the pins will short, a current will flow and it'll restart 00:34:43 <pv2b> if you connect it the wrong way, nothing will happen 00:34:46 <pv2b> i think anyway 00:34:51 <mikk36> ok 00:35:30 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC4E24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:35:30 <pv2b> if i were you, i'd start out by ggetting a multimeter and study what happens with the voltages on the reset pins 00:35:49 <pv2b> see if one of the pins is grounded or whatever, see if the other pin is pulled up to some voltage 00:35:56 <mikk36> and if i would then connect the opto-switch this way: ground to ground, vcc input with 5V and vO with the reset + pin 00:35:58 <mikk36> would it work ? 00:36:00 <pv2b> see how much current flows through to short it 00:36:24 <pv2b> mikk36: that'll work, IF the motherboard's reset pin is connected like this: 00:36:42 <pv2b> reset on voltage high, no reset if voltage low 00:36:59 <mikk36> ok, i'll test with an usual blue led now:) 00:37:17 <pv2b> a led won't tell you anything really i think 00:37:17 <mikk36> hmm.. gotta find my hdd (to see some hdd activity after resetting) 00:37:43 <mikk36> i mean if the LED's 20mA is enough then the 50mA from the optoswitch would be enough ? 00:38:15 <pv2b> i see, but afaik, the led iself doesn't limit the current. 00:38:40 <mikk36> if it's too much then the LED just fries 00:38:48 <pv2b> yeah 00:39:05 <mikk36> and then it passes nothing through 00:39:06 <pv2b> you should really get a multimeter if you're interested in this kind of stuff 00:39:14 <mikk36> yeah.. but it costs :P 00:39:21 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3574A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:39:30 <pv2b> bah, you can get a really cheap one that will be okay for what you need to do 00:39:36 <pv2b> for only a few euros or so 00:39:42 <mikk36> damn.. where did i put my spare hdd ? 00:39:45 <pv2b> you don't need to get a top-of-the-line fluke multimeter with true rms or whatever 00:39:47 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:43:04 <pv2b> http://www.tevalo.ee/cgi-bin/web_store.cgi?artnr=615-1731&lng=eng <- one of these for ex. 00:43:47 <mikk36> hmm, ok 00:44:18 <pv2b> i'm not sure if that has a continuity test mode - that's probably the most useful feature i use the most. 00:45:11 <pv2b> (that's when the meter beeps when you put it in the right test mode, and you short circuit the probes) 00:46:10 <pv2b> http://www.tevalo.ee/cgi-bin/web_store.cgi?artnr=615-037&lng=eng <- that one has it for sure. 00:46:18 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has quit ["Go on, get out. 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00:50:45 <Maedhros> Sacro: i get "Must remove railway track first", then "Train in the way" errors 00:50:48 <pv2b> yeah, no light falls on the sensor 00:51:09 <Maedhros> Sacro: i had to remove some of your grfs though, since i don't have them. maybe something weird's going on with one of those? 00:51:10 <Sacro> Maedhros: i dont, it builds it and then dies 00:51:10 <pv2b> it's equally possible it pulls the pin to ground when you want to reset it 00:51:14 <pv2b> and then the logic will be backwards 00:51:23 <Sacro> Maedhros: just use the save with a blank config, still happens 00:51:47 <Sacro> Maedhros: i have to go to bed, its 2am 00:51:54 <Sacro> ill do some debugging in the morning :) 00:52:02 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-130-81.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:52:48 <Maedhros> Sac<tab>: nope, still works fine here... 00:53:06 <Maedhros> ah well, time for me to go to be too 00:53:31 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["good night"] 00:55:05 <mikk36> ok 00:55:09 <mikk36> bad luck 00:55:20 <mikk36> LED connection doesn't reset it 00:59:38 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2EC6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:59:38 *** dp_ is now known as dp-- 01:06:33 *** Zorix [n=Brandon@226-124.34-65.swfla.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 01:07:07 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176127153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 01:11:38 <mikk36> hmm, ok 01:11:42 <mikk36> 1.5V is enough 01:11:45 <mikk36> from battery 01:11:48 <mikk36> or 01:11:48 <mikk36> damn 01:11:55 <mikk36> doesn't help this way :P 01:11:59 <mikk36> wrong test 01:16:55 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #openttd 01:20:08 <mikk36> pv2b, u still there ? 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:) 08:13:13 *** mode/#openttd [-oooo Belugas Celestar Darkvater peter1138] by MiHaMiX 08:13:15 <peter1138> op people... 08:13:16 *** mode/#openttd [-o Tron] by MiHaMiX 08:13:19 *** mode/#openttd [-vv CIA-5 ln-] by MiHaMiX 08:13:19 <peter1138> there's a chanserv for that 08:13:35 <MiHaMiX> yes, yes, I know.. I just get used to it on IRCNet :) 08:19:39 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 08:20:17 *** robobed is now known as roboman 08:20:52 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 08:29:01 <ln-> also, you should deop yourself, all of you. 08:29:01 *** Rubidium [n=rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:29:15 <MiHaMiX> ln-: no way:D 08:29:25 <ln-> having ops is against freenode guidelines. 08:29:45 *** DarkSSHClone [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 08:29:47 <MiHaMiX> http://www.b0g.org/wsnm/uploads/mouse4.jpg 08:29:50 *** Darkvater [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:34:05 *** Rubidium [n=rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 08:38:50 <peter1138> :( 08:41:55 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:42:44 *** DarkSSHClone is now known as Darkvater 08:43:00 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:43:11 <Darkvater> bleh, dis 08:44:31 <peter1138> dat 08:45:31 <Darkvater> he 08:52:06 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCE85B2.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 08:54:57 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 09:01:45 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has left #openttd ["http://iThought.dk/"] 09:01:49 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 09:08:57 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 09:10:45 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5831 /trunk/win32.c: - Fix (r5765): regression regarding windows filetimes. st->st_mtime's type time_t is only 64bit on windows64, so we need to convert it. 09:11:07 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 09:16:17 <peter1138> nice 09:16:32 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, did you see the follow up Queries? 09:16:32 <Born_Acorn> :p 09:16:43 <peter1138> to what? 09:16:50 <peter1138> oh, yes 09:16:55 <peter1138> but my adsl broke last night 09:16:59 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50c79a2e.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:17:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 09:17:03 <peter1138> and i'm not around at midnight anyway 09:17:33 <Born_Acorn> I'm not around between 22:10 and 23:59 then! 09:17:59 <Bjarni> what is on TV in GB at 22:10 tonight? 09:18:16 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit ["Idem, pridem ..."] 09:18:28 <Born_Acorn> I only watched a movie last night. 09:18:55 <Bjarni> I meant tonight, not last night 09:19:20 <Born_Acorn> I thought it was too patriotic to the US. I doubt people get pseudo-orgasms handling the Declaration of Independance in real life. 09:19:22 <Bjarni> I mean I join and everybody from GB declares that they will not be here tonight, so I presume that something is going on 09:31:29 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:43:03 <JohnUK89> Morning :) 09:43:40 <JohnUK89> In fact...brb need a reboot 09:43:44 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:43:46 *** JohnUK89 [n=John@host217-32-127-237.webport.bt.net] has left #openttd [] 09:45:40 *** JohnUK89 [n=John@host217-32-135-42.webport.bt.net] has joined #openttd 09:46:42 <Sacro> JohnUK89: morning 09:47:04 <JohnUK89> Morning Sacro :) 09:54:11 <JohnUK89> Hmm I'm gonna get food, bbs 09:54:47 <hylje> rofl, kennedy assassination simulator is the win 09:55:14 <SpComb> old? 09:56:13 <Sacro> ;p; 09:56:19 <Sacro> *lol 09:59:47 <hylje> old yes but crazy funny 10:05:26 *** magus_x [n=magus@201.11.202.117] has joined #openttd 10:15:28 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80F32.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:16:27 *** jonty_comp [i=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 10:23:19 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:24:01 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:24:34 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3585D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 10:31:38 <hylje> openttd: ai/default/default.c:1789: AiStateBuildDefaultRailBlocks: Assertion `!CmdFailed(r)' failed. 10:35:53 <JohnUK89> back 10:37:04 <JohnUK89> <downloading at an astonishing 1.3k :P 10:37:18 *** magus_x [n=magus@201.11.202.117] has quit ["Fui embora"] 10:37:24 <Sacro> lol 10:39:35 * JohnUK89 got annoyed with Ubuntu and having to re-pair phone every time 10:39:42 <JohnUK89> lol 10:40:04 <JohnUK89> But by the looks of it FC5's support is even worse 10:40:44 <Sacro> heh 10:40:50 <Sacro> i love Arch 10:41:19 <JohnUK89> Lol 10:41:38 <JohnUK89> One distro I HATE is Mandriva 10:43:03 <JohnUK89> I tried it when it was Mandrake, didn't like it at all 10:43:25 <JohnUK89> I think it's just my hatred of KDE showing through :P 10:46:08 <JohnUK89> Right, n00b question here: where's the best place to pick up newgrfs? 10:46:15 <JohnUK89> Lol 10:46:23 * peter1138 < poor 10:46:25 <ln-> http://haecceity.clearairturbulence.org/articles/2006/08/10/system-attack-or-just-stupid-terrorists 10:46:31 <XeryusTC> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/ 10:46:48 <JohnUK89> XeryusTC: cheers :) 10:46:57 <XeryusTC> :) 10:47:48 <JohnUK89> I got bored with the town buildings :P 10:49:57 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 10:50:24 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-142-5.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 10:53:45 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:01:41 <ln-> http://paginas.terra.com.br/informatica/faustini/antonov/ 11:03:44 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC7F3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:03:44 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 11:04:12 *** tron_ [n=tron@p54A3FA1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:13 *** jonty_comp [i=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:04:17 *** tron_ [n=tron@p54A3FA1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:04:33 *** tron_ [n=tron@p54A3FA1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:54 <hylje> big aeroplane is biig 11:11:03 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 11:11:05 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 11:17:20 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:17:23 *** jonty_comp [i=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:18:19 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82F07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:21:25 *** jonty_comp is now known as jonty-comp 11:23:01 <hylje> so miniin got diagonal railroad crossings? 11:23:11 <ln-> http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=12632 11:24:16 <Sacro> hylje: yes, but there are bugs 11:25:00 *** dfox [n=dfox@r3bk86.chello.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:25:08 <Sacro> ln-: WTF :O 11:26:09 <hylje> srsly 11:26:49 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80F32.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:28:22 *** dfox [n=dfox@r3bk86.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:32:41 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 11:40:55 <Bjarni> <Sacro> ln-: WTF :O <-- don't tell me that you didn't already knew those 11:41:23 <Trenskow> we want those in ttd :D 11:41:35 <Bjarni> why? 11:41:40 <Trenskow> just kidding 11:42:25 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 11:42:42 <hylje> why 11:43:41 <mikk36> Bjarni, aren't they cute ? :) 11:44:40 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 11:44:44 <Darkvater> goddammit fucking fuck 11:44:53 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 11:45:57 <Darkvater> 13:44 -!- Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems 11:46:02 * Darkvater hates freenode 11:46:15 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3FA1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:46:17 *** tron_ is now known as Tron 11:46:26 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3FA1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:47:25 <hylje> freenode is the lose 11:47:25 <Maedhros> Sacro: i still can't reproduce that bug you found. with and without your config... which MiniIN revision are you using? 11:52:28 <Darkvater> the config shouldn't matter since all relevant patches options are saved with the savegame 11:56:04 <Bjarni> mikk36: who are cute? 11:56:10 <Bjarni> the children of this channel? 11:56:21 <mikk36> no, antonov :) 11:56:29 <Bjarni> ahh 11:56:36 <Bjarni> well 11:56:44 <Bjarni> I don't know if cute is the right word 12:01:05 <Born_Acorn> Are there any actually *good* IRC Servers? 12:01:07 <Born_Acorn> :p 12:05:30 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:05:30 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3585D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:30 <ln-> Darkvater: you have not donated enough money to lilo' 12:06:34 <ln-> lilo's spinhome 12:06:51 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:07:29 <Darkvater> ? 12:12:38 <Sacro> Maedhros: hang ona tic 12:13:19 <Sacro> Maedhros: 5830-MiniIN 12:13:58 <Maedhros> thanks. i'll have another look :) 12:14:54 <Sacro> it could be newgrf related 12:14:56 <Maedhros> do you compile them yourself? if so, have a look at 5827 which is when it was merged. it doesn't happen there for me 12:15:08 <Sacro> hmm, yeah 12:15:12 <Sacro> yeah, self compiled 12:16:01 <roboman> gnight 12:16:05 *** roboman is now known as robobed 12:16:09 <Sacro> night robobed 12:16:28 <Bjarni> heh, I read that as robbed :P 12:16:41 <Sacro> lol 12:16:42 <mikk36> :P 12:16:50 * Sacro watches the news :( 12:18:05 <Sacro> cant wait for my new pc, 1 core for irc, 1 core for compiling 12:18:12 <mikk36> lol 12:18:38 <JohnUK89> Sacro: least they caught them 12:18:45 <mikk36> can't use both cores for compiling at once ? 12:18:46 <Sacro> JohnUK89: yes, thats true 12:18:54 <Bjarni> mikk36: use -j 2 12:18:57 <CIA-5> belugas * r5832 /branches/XTDwidget/ (10 files): 12:18:57 <CIA-5> [XTDwidget] Add (Is|Set|IsThis)WidgetHidden and (start to) use it. 12:18:57 <CIA-5> -Inlinize the new Widget functions 12:18:57 <CIA-5> -Keep on removing disabled_state 12:19:03 <Sacro> but my dad and his fiancee and her daughters are out in the Ukraine (i think) 12:19:25 <Bjarni> Sacro: they will get a nice train ride home then ;) 12:19:29 <JohnUK89> Sacro: ouch :S 12:20:06 <Sacro> Bjarni: from Odessa to UK? 12:20:13 <Sacro> they already have to go via poland 12:20:42 <mikk36> why ? 12:21:03 <Sacro> i dont think theres direct flights from Odessa to the UK 12:21:30 <mikk36> what r they doing out there anyway ? 12:21:41 <Bjarni> Sacro: well, unless they want to walk, they have to find some other mean of transportation if they can't fly. Europe got a pretty large railroad network 12:21:51 <JohnUK89> Holiday? lol 12:21:59 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82F07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 12:22:13 <Sacro> mikk36: visiting my dads fiancees mum, and a holiday too 12:22:15 <JohnUK89> Bjarni, they'll be able to fly within a day, they're only shutting it all down as a precaution 12:22:38 <Sacro> hmm, its still scary 12:22:45 <Sacro> my boss works at heathrow 12:23:07 <Bjarni> so Sacro's dad just have to spend another day with his mother in law (to be)... could be worse 12:23:19 <Sacro> he could have to spend it with me... 12:23:35 <Bjarni> you could have gone with him 12:23:38 <Bjarni> your choice 12:23:46 <Sacro> nah, i couldnt 12:23:51 <Sacro> no money and no passport 12:24:03 <Sacro> plus, all those sexy ukrainian girls, id have never come home 12:24:14 <Bjarni> so it's a win-win 12:24:23 <Sacro> ooh, thats true 12:24:33 <Bjarni> sexy Ukranian girls for you and no Sacro for us :P 12:24:35 <mikk36> all those sexy highway sluts there ? 12:24:45 <mikk36> :P 12:24:48 <Sacro> Bjarni: :o 12:25:18 <Sacro> thats evil :( 12:25:22 <Sacro> im sure they have IRC 12:25:27 <Bjarni> well, he will have fun for a while, then the AIDS will kick in, but that's not right away, so who cares? 12:25:42 <JohnUK89> LOL 12:26:00 <mikk36> :P 12:26:02 <mikk36> exactly 12:26:19 <Maedhros> Sacro: i can reproduce it now... (i was building on the wrong tile) but only in MiniIN, not in the trunk version 12:26:20 * Bjarni sets mode +b *!*@*.ua 12:26:31 <Bjarni> now we avoided the issue of them having IRC access 12:26:38 <mikk36> lol 12:26:38 <Sacro> Maedhros: ah right 12:26:41 <Sacro> Bjarni: ssh :P 12:26:42 <Kjetil> "AIDS just kicked in yo" 12:26:43 <Maedhros> i wonder if PBS isn't trying to use some of the same map bits... :/ 12:26:49 <JohnUK89> Hehe 12:26:52 <Sacro> is it a PBS junction? 12:27:11 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 12:30:26 *** JohnUK89 [n=John@host217-32-135-42.webport.bt.net] has left #openttd [] 12:30:48 *** JohnUK89 [i=JohnUK89@host217-32-135-42.webport.bt.net] has joined #openttd 12:31:39 <JohnUK89> There we go...better IRC client now :P 12:32:10 <Sacro> xchat :D 12:32:22 <JohnUK89> Nah im in Windoze, unfortunately 12:32:39 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@82-37-135-45.cable.ubr01.telf.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:32:40 <Sacro> :o the horrorz 12:32:49 <JohnUK89> :-( 12:33:00 <Bjarni> shit 12:33:07 <Bjarni> JohnUK89 is contaminating the channel 12:33:23 <JohnUK89> Lol 12:33:32 * SpComb pats windows 12:33:36 <peter1138> yeah, with bad typing 12:33:43 <peter1138> speaking of windows 12:34:02 <peter1138> anyone know of a disk space monitor program that'll send email alerts on low space? 12:34:12 <JohnUK89> Only reason I'm not in some form of *nix is that Ubuntu was annoying me, and FC5 doesnt have decent Bluetooth support 12:34:47 <JohnUK89> In fact Sacro, I'm gonna take you up on that offer you made ;-) 12:35:01 <Sacro> eh? offer? 12:35:15 <Sacro> if it was after midnight, or before midday you'll have to remind me! 12:35:16 <JohnUK89> Lets see if I can remember exactly what you said...hmmm 12:35:31 <peter1138> sounds a bit private 12:35:58 <JohnUK89> Sacro: you offered to send me a Linux distro, since I can't really get one 12:35:59 <Sacro> peter1138: hehe 12:36:04 <Bjarni> <Sacro> if it was after midnight, or before midday you'll have to remind me! <-- not to mention the offers you make after midday and before midnight 12:36:07 <Sacro> JohnUK89: ah yes, any in partiuclar? 12:36:19 <JohnUK89> Sacro, Ubuntu 6.06...lol 12:36:24 <Sacro> Bjarni: well, them quite often get forgotten too :) 12:36:31 <JohnUK89> I'm only running 5.10 atm 12:36:45 <Sacro> JohnUK89: pm me your address and ill shove one in the post 12:36:56 <Sacro> do you want live-cd, alternate cd, dvd.. 12:37:26 *** valhallasw [n=valhalla@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:37:38 <JohnUK89> Sacro, DVD if its ok with you :) 12:37:55 <Sacro> yeah, ill set the torrent going 12:38:05 <JohnUK89> Cheers :-D 12:38:28 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Au reviour!"] 12:39:50 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 12:41:26 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, you made newgrf text work for planes and other vehicles already? o_O 12:41:38 <Born_Acorn> Or did you already have a patch? 12:41:44 <peter1138> hmm? 12:41:47 <peter1138> oh 12:41:51 <peter1138> i wrote it last night, yes 12:42:00 <Born_Acorn> You is fast! 12:42:15 <Born_Acorn> (except with newsounds!):p 12:42:24 <Sacro> hehe, newsounds is taking aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages 12:42:36 <Born_Acorn> Av8 is cool with newsounds. 12:42:42 <Born_Acorn> UKRS too! 12:42:46 <hylje> :o 12:42:58 <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly does Av8 stand for? 12:43:23 <peter1138> aviate 12:43:24 <Born_Acorn> Have no idea. :p 12:43:45 <peter1138> as in... planes 12:43:49 <Born_Acorn> ah! Aviate. How cool. I never even knew I was saying it all along! 12:43:55 <peter1138> hehe 12:44:05 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:22 <Born_Acorn> The special takeoff and landing sounds are cool, though. 12:44:58 <hapo> http://koti.mbnet.fi/qbot/kelalta_kirje.jpg 12:46:45 <peter1138> yeah, newsounds are nice 12:47:58 *** robobed [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:52:49 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:53:14 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:56:46 <Tron> mr nelson? 12:56:49 <Sacro> hmm, i wonder if you can set 1 core working out pi from start to end, and another from end to start, and work it out twice as fast 12:57:01 <Sacro> Tron: ha ha! 12:57:20 <Maedhros> Sacro: i have nfc how, but this bug isn't in diagonal crossings at all, it's introduced by the drag-and-drop land buying patch applied just afterwards 12:57:27 <JohnUK89> There is no end to pi, the second core would crash :P 12:57:44 <Tron> Sacro: i meant nelson as last name, not first name 12:57:53 <Sacro> Maedhros: buh... how does that work? 12:58:03 <hylje> Sacro: i think your plan has a flaw 12:58:23 <Eddi|zuHause> constant factors are completely irrelevant for complexity classes ;) 12:58:25 <Sacro> im sure marvin the paranoid android tells us what the last number is 12:58:41 <Sacro> and theres a 1/10 chance of getting it right 12:58:50 <hylje> ohh 12:58:50 <JohnUK89> Sacro: Marvin lies :P 12:58:56 <hylje> so if you have ten computers.. 12:58:59 <Tron> Eddi|zuHause: and then there's actual existing hardware with actual existing implementations of algorithms... 12:59:01 <Maedhros> Sacro: like i say, i have no idea. but it's fine in 5827, but broken in 5828 12:59:04 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 12:59:07 <JohnUK89> it is a non-recurring decimal; it goes on forever 12:59:13 <Tron> peter1138? 12:59:20 <Sacro> the duracell bunny of numbers 12:59:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Tron: yeah, but they are not trying to find the last number of pi ;) 12:59:45 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:00:04 <Maedhros> Sacro: i'm intigued by this comment in the patch though: cost = _price.purchase_land*10; //crashes the game 13:00:11 <Tron> Eddi|zuHause: that's easy! 13:00:14 <Eddi|zuHause> reminds me of that bash quote ;) 13:00:20 <Tron> according to the bible pi is 3 13:00:26 <Tron> therefore its last digit is 3 13:00:28 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i know ;) 13:00:37 <Sacro> Tron: yes, some king back then declared it as law 13:00:37 <JohnUK89> You can work up to a particular decimal place, but not to the end of pi, as pi has no "end" 13:00:49 <Sacro> Maedhros: thats...scary 13:00:56 <Eddi|zuHause> but that has a constant runtime, and thus also does not care about a factor of 2 ;) 13:00:57 <Sacro> where is Wolf01 13:01:11 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:01:15 <Sacro> !summon Wolf01 13:01:50 <JohnUK89> HOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLLLLLL! :P 13:02:01 <Sacro> yes, i noticed the full moon 13:02:31 <JohnUK89> Last night wasnt it? :P 13:02:34 <Sacro> yup 13:03:17 <JohnUK89> argh WHY do I have 1000 passengers waiting in 1943?? ARGH! 13:03:21 <Sacro> hopefully my mum will go out soon so i can use the dvd writer 13:03:27 <Sacro> JohnUK89: they like the war? 13:03:51 <JohnUK89> Sacro: maybe! :P 13:04:05 <Sacro> yes you did! you invaded poland! hehehe 13:04:10 <JohnUK89> Sacro: Okies @ DVD writer 13:04:17 <JohnUK89> Sacro: :P 13:04:27 <Sacro> check what Linux Format has regarding Ubuntu 13:04:28 <Prof_Frink> fnarr 13:04:36 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: yes 13:04:59 <JohnUK89> Schnurgle? 13:05:08 <Sacro> the purple? 13:05:17 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 13:05:33 <JohnUK89> Nah that's Schlurple ;-) 13:05:39 <Sacro> oh noes its jonty-comp 13:05:45 <jonty-comp> lies 13:05:47 * jonty-comp hides 13:06:02 <Sacro> twas close 13:06:17 <Sacro> my laptop has too many OS's downloading 13:06:19 <JohnUK89> Lol 13:06:51 <JohnUK89> Need bigger planes! LOL 13:07:57 <Sacro> select e-mail, dxy, and off it goes! 13:08:08 <JohnUK89> Oh and the "flat land required" message is useless for airports, look at Leeds Bradford :P 13:08:19 <Sacro> never seen it 13:08:28 <JohnUK89> It's like a huge ramp lol 13:08:38 <Sacro> it helps on take-off 13:08:44 <JohnUK89> Yeah 13:08:51 <JohnUK89> Especially for the 747's 13:08:52 <Sacro> ahh, asciiquarium 13:09:28 <JohnUK89> Hmm the more planes I build the more passengers are waiting...Time for trains methinks 13:09:49 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:10:11 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:25:17 *** Kalpa [i=kalpa@dsl-hkigw4-fe38de00-122.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 13:26:10 *** Kalpa [i=kalpa@dsl-hkigw4-fe38de00-122.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:28:59 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:29:44 *** dazjorz [n=dazjorz@82-168-141-105.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 13:29:47 <dazjorz> Hey 13:30:15 <dazjorz> I'm trying to set up a dedicated server on my Linux box 13:30:24 <Noldo> and? 13:30:29 <dazjorz> I downloaded Nightly build r5813 13:30:35 <dazjorz> OTTD-dedicated-linux-i386-nightly-r5813.tar.bz2 13:30:52 <dazjorz> When I run openttd, it says "Error: Cannot open file 'data/sample.cat'" 13:30:57 <dazjorz> Where do I get this file ? 13:31:21 <JohnUK89> dazjorz, you need a copy of the original Transport Tycoon Delux data files 13:31:22 <Noldo> from the copy of transport tycoon deluxe you have bought 13:31:34 <dazjorz> Are these the same in both Windows and Linux ? 13:32:00 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 13:32:24 <glx> there's no linux version of ttd :) 13:32:42 <glx> but openttd can use dos or windows ttd files 13:32:42 <JohnUK89> You need either the DOS or Windows data files :) 13:32:45 <dazjorz> I guess that's a yes. 13:33:02 <peter1138> windows is a better bet 13:33:06 <JohnUK89> The Windows ones are prettier ;-) 13:33:07 <dazjorz> Ok, I copied them. 13:33:11 <glx> look at the readme for a file list 13:33:13 <dazjorz> also copying some scenarios etc 13:33:45 <dazjorz> The executable outputs nothing now 13:33:50 <dazjorz> It just exits =\ 13:33:52 <dazjorz> did it fork? 13:34:07 <JohnUK89> dazjorz, do you have SDL? 13:34:09 <dazjorz> it obviously didn't fork 13:34:16 <dazjorz> JohnUK89: I downloaded the console version 13:34:22 <dazjorz> I don't think that needs SDL 13:34:26 <JohnUK89> Ah 13:34:26 <dazjorz> .. does it ? 13:34:30 *** magus_x [n=magus@201.11.202.117] has joined #openttd 13:34:53 <dazjorz> This is just for a dedicated server 13:35:36 <JohnUK89> dazjorz, I think you need the right argumants to start the server...but dont quute me on it, never run an OTTD server 13:35:46 <dazjorz> I'll --help 13:36:04 <dazjorz> what should be after connect_to_ip in openttd.cfg? 13:36:08 <lordpaavo> -D 13:36:19 <lordpaavo> nothing there 13:36:26 <lordpaavo> but -D starts dedi server 13:36:33 <dazjorz> lordpaavo: Yup, just saw that in --help 13:36:43 <dazjorz> Cool, it quite works. 13:39:51 * JohnUK89 will brb 13:41:06 *** Gonozal_VIII [i=Gono@N808P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 13:41:06 *** Guest56 [i=Gono@N741P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:41:32 <Brianetta> [13:37] <lordpaavo> but -D starts dedi server 13:41:32 <Brianetta> Does -J start a jedi server? 13:41:55 <mikk36> lol 13:42:11 <JohnUK89> Brianetta: That would be good, using the Force to move trains :-D 13:46:45 <mikk36> then we could have flying trains 13:46:46 <mikk36> :D 13:46:55 <JohnUK89> mikk36: hehe 13:46:55 <mikk36> or frlying ships :D 13:47:27 <Brianetta> or people on the platform holding a lightsaber out over the track 13:47:33 <JohnUK89> And lightsaber battles on buses ;-) 13:47:33 <Brianetta> Redefining SPAD 13:49:08 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:49:54 <JohnUK89> Wouldn't be right without Yoda though :) 13:54:21 <dazjorz> Woot 13:56:59 <eQualizer> Does anyone have any good real world scenario? 13:59:33 <Born_Acorn> I have a good scenario of a 10 square mile section of the Pacific Ocean! 13:59:34 <Gonozal_VIII> when you desync while the right mouse button is pressed you can scroll around on the start screen 14:00:17 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:02:02 <mikk36> nice bug 14:03:19 *** Zaviori [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:04:51 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 14:06:54 *** LaPingvino [n=chatzill@h157221.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:07:04 <LaPingvino> Hi there! 14:11:44 <LaPingvino> Hi there! 14:12:50 <JohnUK89> LaPingvino, ello 14:13:10 <LaPingvino> Who should I contact to begin translation? 14:13:20 <LaPingvino> I'd like to translate OpenTTD to Esperanto 14:13:42 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:14:03 <glx> LaPingvino: http://translator2.openttd.org/ and read the page :) 14:15:09 <LaPingvino> Yeah, so I will need to mail it... :) 14:15:12 <LaPingvino> okay 14:15:23 <LaPingvino> (btw, i did read there yet) 14:17:18 <magus_x> Esperanto still exists 14:17:19 <magus_x> ? 14:17:21 <magus_x> LOL 14:17:43 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 14:22:13 <LaPingvino> yes, of course 14:23:49 *** magus_x [n=magus@201.11.202.117] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:23:53 <LaPingvino> some milion speakers :) 14:24:14 <JohnUK89> If anything it's become more popular over the past 5 years 14:25:05 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #openttd 14:25:40 <LaPingvino> Saluton, ?u estas iuj Esperantistoj ?i tie? 14:30:55 *** MiHaMiX [n=miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 14:32:04 *** magus_x [n=magus@201.11.202.117] has joined #openttd 14:33:30 *** LaPingvino [n=chatzill@h157221.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]"] 14:44:35 <CIA-5> tron * r5833 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: Allow building of (certain) rails, roads and bridge ramps on steep sloped tiles 14:44:46 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-202-193.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:56:45 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 15:00:01 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 15:00:20 *** JohnUK89 [i=JohnUK89@host217-32-135-42.webport.bt.net] has quit ["Swapping Connection"] 15:03:05 *** JohnUK89 [n=admin@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 15:05:15 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:05:51 <JohnUK89> All Hail GPRS! :P 15:06:09 <JohnUK89> (well, for about an hour till it breaks) 15:06:58 *** The-Moon_ [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:27 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:08:58 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 15:15:34 *** MiHaMiX [n=miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 15:17:40 <JohnUK89> MiHaMiX: ello 15:18:06 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:26:19 <mikk36> lol 15:27:53 *** MiHaMiX [n=miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:31:10 <Born_Acorn> Ooh. The "steeper slopes" feature. 15:31:13 * Born_Acorn SVNs 15:32:55 * hylje svn up && make:s 15:32:57 *** MiHaMiX [n=miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 15:34:41 <CIA-5> truelight * r5834 /branches/TGP/video/dedicated_v.c: [TGP] -Fix r5814: for the dedicated server we switch to the mode immediatly, not the next tick 15:36:41 <hylje> cool 15:41:07 <peter1138> Tron: kept that quiet :) 15:41:59 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 15:42:10 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 15:42:10 <MiHaMiX> !logs 15:42:30 <MiHaMiX> nice :) 15:42:41 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:42:43 *** Brianetta [n=brian@217.23.228.6] has joined #openttd 15:43:24 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:44:37 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, indeed. :) 15:44:59 <Born_Acorn> Ah, I read that wrong! 15:45:46 <peter1138> still valid 15:45:53 <peter1138> tron kept that quiet :) 15:46:01 <peter1138> (probably due to 'experience' with bridges...) 15:46:09 *** mikk36[EST] [i=mikk36@pc55.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:50:28 * Brianetta grumbles about the bridges 15:50:38 <Born_Acorn> hmm. Unfortuantely, you can only build up and down the steep slopes, not along the top. 15:51:31 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 15:51:45 *** mikk36_ [i=mikk36@pc51.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:51:50 <peter1138> :( 15:51:56 <peter1138> hmm 15:52:01 <CIA-5> truelight * r5835 /branches/TGP/video/dedicated_v.c: [TGP] -Fix r5834: forgot to switch _switch_mode to NONE after running the map 15:54:27 <peter1138> Darkvater: look! i emailed! 15:54:47 <peter1138> errr 15:54:48 <peter1138> hmm 15:54:49 <peter1138> bounced :( 15:56:13 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80019.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:56:54 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 15:58:54 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3585D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 16:00:25 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 16:04:02 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc74.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:04:53 *** magus_x [n=magus@201.11.202.117] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:06:26 <peter1138> there 16:06:29 <peter1138> it went through :D 16:08:45 *** mikk36[EST] [i=mikk36@pc55.host2.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:14:55 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:34:07 *** JohnUK89 [n=admin@149.254.200.215] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:34:26 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3585D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:34:29 *** JohnUK89 [n=admin@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 16:37:42 *** Spoco [i=Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 16:38:32 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 16:49:53 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 16:50:15 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778858.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 17:02:55 *** vrak [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:05:22 <glx> Darkvater: ping 17:06:09 <Sacro> glx: pongs! 17:06:48 *** sayno [n=sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has joined #openttd 17:21:23 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947A2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:08 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:24:44 <Darkvater> back :) 17:24:47 <Darkvater> glx: pong 17:24:59 <glx> ===> Compiling win32.c 17:24:59 <glx> win32.c: In function `FiosIsValidFile': 17:24:59 <glx> win32.c:723: warning: integer constant is too large for "long" type 17:25:20 <glx> I fixed it using LL but I think it works only for mingw 17:26:01 <Darkvater> which line is that? 17:26:10 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:26:11 <glx> static const int64 posix_epoch_hns = 0x019DB1DED53E8000; 17:26:26 <Darkvater> ah 17:26:29 <glx> warning gone with static const int64 posix_epoch_hns = 0x019DB1DED53E8000LL; 17:26:53 <Darkvater> well, msvc doesn't complain so I think it's ok 17:28:15 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5836 /trunk/win32.c: - Silence a warning on mingw. 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18:17:03 <Wolf01> £ ? 18:17:15 <Bjarni> kr 18:17:22 <Wolf01> >_> 18:18:36 <Bjarni> heh, it's funny to look at country domain names 18:18:40 <Bjarni> kg = Kyrgyzstan 18:18:45 <Bjarni> where is that? 18:18:46 <guru3> danish or swedisn kr? 18:18:59 <Bjarni> Bjarnian kr 18:19:04 <ln-> or norwegian or estonian 18:19:04 <Bjarni> what else 18:19:06 <guru3> geh 18:19:10 <guru3> what's the exchange rate? 18:19:20 <Bjarni> 1:1 to DKR 18:19:29 <guru3> >< 18:19:32 <Wolf01> Bjarni, i read about you in a clive cussler book... wasn't you? 18:19:45 <Bjarni> ? 18:20:05 <Wolf01> -> Clive Cussler, Iceberg 18:20:21 <Bjarni> I read..., wasn't you? <-- change of person in mid sentence symtax error 18:20:42 <Sacro> Wolf01: wasn't it you 18:20:45 <Wolf01> i'm not english... i'm.. ask sacro 18:20:55 <Sacro> he's stupid, and italian 18:21:02 <fusey> clive cussler is the man 18:21:13 <JohnUK89> Sacro: ello 18:21:15 <Wolf01> there is a kid called Bjarni who saved the hero 18:21:23 <Bjarni> <Wolf01> i'm not english... i'm.. ask sacro <-- spaghetti eater? 18:21:29 <fusey> i read iceberg but far too long ago to remember it 18:21:35 <Sacro> Bjarni: no, i just ate a cheeseburger 18:22:02 <Bjarni> I mean, the people in Paris are frog eaters, so why not spaghetti eaters ;) 18:22:16 <JohnUK89> Talking of food, I need some lol 18:22:16 <Wolf01> i eat what comes in the table 18:22:26 <Sacro> Wolf01: termites? 18:22:37 <Wolf01> spaghetti, frogs, belgian pickles 18:22:48 <Bjarni> hmm 18:22:58 <Sacro> mm, danish bacon 18:23:00 <Bjarni> eats everything... sounds like a pig :p 18:23:08 <Wolf01> :) 18:23:25 <Wolf01> and i weight only 62kg 18:23:32 <Sacro> danish pigs have nice bacon 18:23:43 <SpComb> :o 18:24:02 * Bjarni notes that with Wolf01's weight, he is not strong enough for the labour camps 18:24:27 <Wolf01> i'm a computer technician ;) 18:25:00 <Wolf01> and i must go filling my stomach, bbl 18:25:00 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 18:25:43 <Bjarni> so he needs to increase his input 18:25:57 <Bjarni> how many MB do you guys think it will take him to come back? 18:27:19 <JohnUK89> Why measure in MB? 10GB! :P 18:27:21 <valhallasw> 28 18:27:32 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B8305D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:27:52 <Bjarni> so how long will it take to transfer 10 GB? 18:28:04 <Bjarni> do anybody know his throat bandwidth? 18:28:10 <JohnUK89> Depends how fast it transfers lol 18:28:25 <Bjarni> <Wolf01> i'm a computer 18:28:29 <Bjarni> he said it himself 18:28:42 <JohnUK89> I'd say he has to have gigabit in his gob 18:29:19 <JohnUK89> But he won't fully utilise it :) 18:29:19 <Bjarni> so 10*8 sec.... then he should be back by now 18:29:40 <Bjarni> then we need to upgrade his firmware ASAP 18:29:49 <JohnUK89> Bjarni: yep 18:30:09 <JohnUK89> I have the floppy disc...you just need to upload the firmware to it 18:30:49 <Bjarni> we need to use a CD. A floppy is too small 18:31:12 <JohnUK89> It's wolf01 we're talking about here, a floppy will do it :P 18:31:21 <Bjarni> hmm 18:31:28 <Bjarni> it's do the Apple trick on him 18:31:49 <JohnUK89> Apple trick? 18:31:51 <Bjarni> upload the firmware to his HD and then boot in a mode to install the firmware from the HD 18:32:08 <Bjarni> new macs don't need extra hardware to do firmware updates 18:32:10 <hylje> JohnUK89: since apple boxen do not have floppy drives 18:32:12 <JohnUK89> Aah lol 18:32:21 <hylje> JohnUK89: havent had for years really 18:32:21 <Bjarni> you just run an app and then restart when it's ready 18:32:51 <JohnUK89> Bjarni, about 20 minutes 18:32:53 <Bjarni> then you wait for it to patch the firmware and it hard resets on it's own afterwards. Then it boots normally again 18:33:01 <JohnUK89> just calculated the time 18:33:08 <JohnUK89> wolf will be away for 20 minutes :P 18:33:28 <JohnUK89> Bjarni: aah 18:33:32 <SpComb> Bjarni: or, then it fails to boot ever again \o/ 18:33:38 <SpComb> firmware update = bios flashing? 18:33:57 <Bjarni> Apple never used a bios 18:33:59 <JohnUK89> SpComb: same kind of thing, it updates the EFI 18:34:28 <Bjarni> <SpComb> Bjarni: or, then it fails to boot ever again \o/ <-- well, this is pretty rare unless you use 3rd party updates :P 18:34:29 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:34:38 <Bjarni> like Sacro just did 18:34:58 <SpComb> oh rights, macs do it their own way 18:35:06 * SpComb has flashed his bios live from inside windows before 18:35:13 <SpComb> didn't even need to reboot 18:35:46 <Bjarni> btw boot camp (the package, that allows intel macs to boot windows) actually just enables the hardware to emulate a bios. It works faster without one because (inset name I forgot right here) works faster than the bios chips 18:36:19 <JohnUK89> Bjarni: EFI - Exstensible Firmware Interface 18:36:28 <Bjarni> most likely 18:36:41 <JohnUK89> That's what it is :P 18:37:41 <Bjarni> while people talk about boot camp as the thing, that enables the computer to boot into windows, it's actually the firmware (1.01 I think) that enables it. Boot camp is more or less a tool to partition the HD and a windows hardware driver collection 18:38:04 <JohnUK89> Bjarni: yep lol 18:38:34 <Bjarni> I would say that it's highly recommended to use the drivers, but it's actually not needed and you can use other tools to format the HD ;) 18:38:49 <JohnUK89> Lol 18:40:04 * JohnUK89 needs food, bbs 18:40:13 *** JohnUK89 is now known as JohnUK89|Food 18:41:07 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3585D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:42:42 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 18:43:10 * Bjarni shoots JohnUK89|Food 18:43:17 <Bjarni> we got no room for failure 18:43:32 <Bjarni> his estimate for Wolf01's return was 3 minutes off 18:44:00 <Wolf01> i always been there 18:44:25 <Bjarni> Wolf01: btw you really missed some stuff in the last 17 minutes 18:44:29 *** Lord_damnit [i=Lord@84-72-25-217.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 18:44:29 <Bjarni> you better read back 18:44:58 <Zavior> SpComb, asus mobo? 18:45:01 <Wolf01> i turn off my eyes when recharging 18:45:46 <Bjarni> Wolf01: a firmware update can solve that problem 18:46:09 <Wolf01> now i'm ghosting some beefs from my mouth to my stomach 18:46:12 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3FA1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 18:46:20 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 18:46:37 <Tron> any complaints so far? 18:48:06 <ln-> i would like to complain about the weather in Munich last Thursday. 18:48:41 *** JohnUK89|Food is now known as JohnUK89|Dead 18:48:54 <peter1138> nope 18:49:05 <SpComb> Zavior: abit 18:50:41 <peter1138> well, apart from Born_Acorn 18:50:58 <peter1138> but we all ignore Born_Acorn anyway 18:51:02 <Wolf01> bbl, i'm going to hear a U2 cover band 18:51:26 <JohnUK89|Dead> Wolf01: FLAC or Ogg? :P 18:51:38 <Wolf01> wav 18:51:44 <JohnUK89|Dead> Pah 18:52:07 <Wolf01> see you tomorrow ;) 18:52:10 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host138-239.pool878.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 18:52:23 *** JohnUK89|Dead is now known as JohnUK89 18:54:18 * Bjarni shoots JohnUK89 18:54:30 <Bjarni> I dare you to respawn this time 18:54:41 * JohnUK89 respawns 18:54:43 <JohnUK89> :-D 18:54:52 * JohnUK89 shoots Bjarni 18:54:58 <Bjarni> hahaha 18:55:06 <Bjarni> you dare to oppose me??? 18:55:07 <JohnUK89> Damn Op :@ :P 18:55:21 <JohnUK89> Yeah! :P 18:55:22 * Bjarni disintegrates JohnUK89 18:55:46 * JohnUK89 is respawned at other end of map 18:56:15 *** JohnUK89 was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [die bastard... DIE] 18:56:24 *** JohnUK89 [n=admin@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 18:56:31 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 18:56:34 <JohnUK89> :-D 18:56:42 <Born_Acorn> oi peter1138, you did a ":(", too! 18:56:43 <SpComb> yay Zavior is gone :D 18:56:52 * JohnUK89 can see im typing the +b now :P 18:56:56 <JohnUK89> hm* 18:56:58 <JohnUK89> him* 18:57:26 * Bjarni animates JohnUK89 18:57:29 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: i what? 18:57:32 <JohnUK89> :) 18:57:43 <Bjarni> so now there is not any problems in you being here even though I killed you 18:57:59 <JohnUK89> Bjarni, thankyou, milord :P 18:58:05 <Bjarni> and now I got complete control over you, so you can't harm me 18:58:11 <Bjarni> not that you could do that anyway 18:58:31 <peter1138> Tron: there is, however, the case of going along the top or bottom of a steep slope that isn't allowed :( 18:58:40 <Born_Acorn> (16:51:31) <Born_Acorn> hmm. Unfortuantely, you can only build up and down the steep slopes, not along the top 18:58:40 <Tron> i know 18:58:42 <Born_Acorn> (16:52:44) <peter1138> :( 18:58:54 <Born_Acorn> See! 18:58:56 <Tron> this is a bit more tricky 18:58:59 <peter1138> will you be... rectifying? 18:58:59 <peter1138> ahh 18:59:09 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: shut up and go and change your armour 18:59:16 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:59:23 <Born_Acorn> eh? 18:59:30 * JohnUK89 breaks from Bjarni's grip :-D 18:59:41 <Bjarni> JohnUK89: you can't 18:59:46 <Bjarni> it will kill you :D 19:00:04 <JohnUK89> I can soon respawn ;-) 19:00:08 <Bjarni> no 19:00:20 <Tron> peter1138: this would result in slope forms which are not supported so far 19:00:54 <Tron> peter1138: if you place a rail at the lower part of a steep slope the correct result is a tile with just one corner raised 19:00:59 <peter1138> ah, i see 19:01:17 <Tron> atm just even an inclined slopes have appropriate graphics 19:01:28 <Tron> even now i had to do some hand waving 19:01:45 <Tron> i draw two foundations sprites for a steep tile 19:01:55 <peter1138> yeah 19:02:06 <Tron> for the other combinations i would need up to three 19:02:20 *** Lord_damnit [i=Lord@84-72-25-217.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 19:02:23 <peter1138> hmm, for the lower part, it would just be the same piece as if the top part wasn't there, i think 19:02:33 <peter1138> but for the upper part, it would need 3 foundation sprites 19:02:34 <Tron> also i'm not sure about the internal encoding 19:02:37 <peter1138> i think 19:02:48 <Tron> the inclined slopes for steep tiles where straight forward 19:03:15 <peter1138> but still, cool :) 19:03:18 <Bjarni> <Tron> i draw two foundations sprites for a steep tile <-- don't you think it would be better to get more sprites instead? 19:03:30 <Tron> yes, lower part is a bit easier, but i also have to work out a sensible encoding 19:03:56 *** Zavior [n=Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:04:04 <Tron> Bjarni: maybe yes, but atm the internal encoding fits perfectly 19:04:14 <Tron> (look at the change in landscape.c) 19:04:36 <Tron> but it would probably look better 19:05:08 <Tron> especially in the arctic climate the current look is suboptimal because of the shading of the foundations 19:05:59 <peter1138> hmm 19:05:59 <Bjarni> sprites can always be drawn. The issue is the code. It can always be made better looking later 19:06:23 <peter1138> hmm 19:06:28 <peter1138> oops 19:06:30 <peter1138> duplication :/ 19:06:39 <CIA-5> tron * r5837 /branches/bridge/ (73 files in 8 dirs): Sync with trunk up to 5836 19:06:52 <peter1138> i wonder if the ttdp trkfoundw stuff has extra sprites for it, or if it just draws multiple sprites 19:07:03 <hylje> check? 19:07:11 <peter1138> cba atm ;p 19:07:15 * peter1138 -> home 19:07:45 <Tron> Bjarni: of course i could write it as one big switch with about three dozen cases, but that's not exactly what i want to do 19:08:54 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B3585D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:22 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B824E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:11:33 <SpComb> "It can always be made better looking later" <-- later = never 19:11:45 *** Spoco [i=Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 19:13:36 <hylje> that is true in private projects 19:13:56 <hylje> in public projects there are no real deadlines and no need to make sellable features 19:16:38 <Bjarni> <SpComb> "It can always be made better looking later" <-- later = never <-- not really. We just make it ugly and then somebody will show up and say "I thought it looked ugly, so I made this to make it look nicer" 19:21:39 *** pittyplatsch [n=tokai@p54B82E9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:22:01 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B824E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:23:56 *** JohnUK89 [n=admin@149.254.200.215] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:24:21 *** JohnUK89 [n=admin@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 19:24:40 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 19:25:01 <JohnUK89> Damn GPRS 19:27:15 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82B3F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:27:22 *** The-Moon_ [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:34:03 *** ohoel [n=beshy@unaffiliated/eruin] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 19:34:58 *** netgert [i=Gert@213-219-106-10-dsl.prn.estpak.ee] has quit [] 19:35:01 *** ddream [n=ddream@public-gprs13147.centertel.pl] has joined #openttd 19:35:36 <Tron> ftp://tron.homeunix.org/ottd/slope6.png *fiddle* 19:38:49 *** tokai|alternativ [n=tokai@p54B82270.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:38:50 *** egladil [n=egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:42:01 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 19:44:54 <SpComb> crossing bridges! 19:45:48 *** egladil [n=egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 19:48:51 *** McWayne [n=theo@dslb-084-060-206-244.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:02 *** dazjorz [n=dazjorz@82-168-141-105.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Leading Edge IRC"] 19:49:13 *** pittyplatsch [n=tokai@p54B82E9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:49:19 <McWayne> Hi, any1 knows the console command to turn off autosave on dedicated server? 19:49:27 <McWayne> or to set it so autosave at 6 months` 19:49:28 <McWayne> ? 19:51:22 <McWayne> *throws a flashbang grenade into channel* ^^ 19:54:06 * SpComb exunts the channel 19:56:28 <hylje> ka-tsunk 19:57:27 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:58:39 <SpComb> jonty-comp: run away! 19:58:46 * jonty-comp runs away 19:58:54 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-55-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #openttd ["I'm running!"] 19:59:15 <McWayne> Hi, any1 knows the console command to turn off autosave on dedicated server? 19:59:16 <McWayne> -_- 20:00:07 <lordpaavo> config 20:00:13 <hylje> isnt it a setting in openttd.cfg 20:00:17 <lordpaavo> yup 20:00:23 <lordpaavo> autosave = off or something 20:01:01 <McWayne> on a running server you cant set off? 20:01:23 <lordpaavo> not sure 20:04:14 <McWayne> server guy means that it is already in config but it saves every month 20:04:53 <lordpaavo> hmmph, it shouldnt 20:05:22 <McWayne> could it be that the command is saved in a savegame before? 20:05:35 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20:05:37 <McWayne> we already played some hour and then we wanted to turn it off 20:06:30 *** ericg [n=ericg@c-67-183-25-245.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:06:46 <ericg> latest miniin still have broken transfers? 20:08:34 *** ddream [n=ddream@public-gprs13147.centertel.pl] has left #openttd [] 20:11:26 *** tokai|alternativ [n=tokai@p54B82270.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:11:46 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947A2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["weg"] 20:16:28 *** tokai|alternativ [n=tokai@p54B8173D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:17:11 <McWayne> no further ideas? :/ 20:19:37 <lordpaavo> not sure if is it possible to change in that game 20:19:52 <lordpaavo> cos new config is only loaded when new map is started 20:20:10 <lordpaavo> but if its possible to change via console, then it works, but at least i dont know how 20:23:06 <McWayne> mh 20:24:32 *** JohnUK89 [n=admin@149.254.200.215] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:25:33 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:44 <ericg> any idea why longvehicles (v1 or v2) isn't working with miniin 5722? 20:30:08 <ericg> the uk hov set works fine 20:30:09 <Bjarni> McWayne: check command.c to see all available commands 20:32:06 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-142-5.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:36:15 <McWayne> kk 20:41:21 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-142-121.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:59:14 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 21:07:17 *** JohnUK89 [n=admin@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 21:07:36 <JohnUK89> Ello :) 21:07:41 <hylje> ih 21:07:56 <JohnUK89> hylje: ello 21:13:12 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 21:14:25 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 21:16:14 *** tokai|alternativ [n=tokai@p54B8173D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:24:04 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 21:34:22 <RichK67> ping Maedhros 21:36:12 *** mikk36_ is now known as mikk36 21:36:36 <mikk36> * Ping reply from Maedhros: 0.94 second(s) 21:36:37 <mikk36> * Ping reply from RichK67: 0.87 second(s) 21:36:44 <mikk36> :/ 21:38:06 <JohnUK89> try pinging me :P 21:38:13 <hylje> pingflood 21:39:04 <glx> JohnUK89: 1 sec 81 msec 21:39:17 <mikk36> * Ping reply from JohnUK89: 1.73 second(s) 21:41:12 *** Guest56 [i=Gono@N933P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:43:24 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-151-78.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:44:05 <RichK67> hi sacro 21:44:21 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 21:44:55 <Sacro> hey RichK67 21:46:09 <RichK67> i cant replicate your disconnect 21:46:32 <Sacro> Maedhros has 21:46:44 <Sacro> apparently its due to drag and drop land buying 21:47:23 <RichK67> well - i have full SVN and i cant get it to disconnect when i try to build with a train in the way 21:47:45 <Sacro> ooh, ill see if i can build whilst paused 21:47:55 <Sacro> or it was mentioned it could be due to pbs bit sharing 21:48:57 <RichK67> the save that expresso uploaded does seem sensitive to the dragdrop - but there is *nothing* in that code that should cause it 21:49:37 <RichK67> i have got an interesting screenie of a problem station tile in that game tho... swaps from station tile to road tile!! 21:49:42 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:51:09 <ericg> lol ;( 21:51:35 <Sacro> RichK67: your going to love this 21:52:40 <Sacro> RichK67: new save posted, DONT unpause it... 21:53:39 <Sacro> RichK67: ping 21:53:46 <Sacro> Maedhros: ping 21:53:55 <lws1984> PONG! 21:53:57 <RichK67> ok 21:53:59 <RichK67> what 21:54:31 <Sacro> RichK67: ive done it using build whilst paused, it seems that the track gets deleted and road placed 21:54:33 <RichK67> try this for size: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=478613#478613 21:54:39 <Sacro> which obviously causes the trains to derail 21:55:30 <Sacro> lws1984: yes you do pong 21:55:37 <Sacro> RichK67: ooh, strange 21:55:40 <lws1984> :p 21:57:23 <Sacro> 4kx4k maps... 21:57:32 <hylje> too small 21:58:13 <hylje> i want a 16kx16k map, increase the company/player limit to liek 40, slow down day length 21:58:16 <Sacro> 16kx16x? 21:58:21 <hylje> openttd "m"mo! 21:58:23 <Sacro> hylje: yes, now that'd be nice 21:58:31 <Sacro> online, game lasting a month 21:58:51 <Sacro> no pause with no clients 21:59:13 <hylje> id say that 24h would be one year in there 21:59:32 <Sacro> errm, with 32x daylength 21:59:47 *** Gonozal_VIII [i=Gono@N808P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:59:48 <hylje> so basically a game from 1920 to 2051 takes like half a year? 22:00:00 <Sacro> i dont think any of my games have surpassed a month! 22:00:38 <ericg> the sets i've been trying to use lately 22:00:42 <RichK67> btw - i still cant get diagkiller to blow... seems ok to me 22:00:42 <ericg> have nothing for 1920 ;d 22:00:51 <hylje> ukrs has plenty 22:01:26 <RichK67> rephrase that - oh yes i can :) 22:01:43 <ericg> ukrs must be broken then 22:01:49 <ericg> cause i can't build locos 22:02:00 <hylje> :/& 22:02:12 <Sacro> RichK67: hehe, borkeddiag explains all 22:02:30 <Sacro> ukrs starts in 22 i think 22:02:46 <Sacro> no, that was cos the server borked if you started in 1920 22:02:50 <ericg> oh 22:02:55 <ericg> i remember 22:03:00 <ericg> i had dbset 22:03:01 <ericg> not uk 22:03:04 * ericg slaps self 22:03:17 <ericg> however 22:03:27 * Sacro slaps lws1984 22:03:33 <ericg> i can't get longvehicles running 22:03:39 <ericg> i read v2 or older works with miniin 22:03:43 <ericg> this is not so 22:03:51 <Sacro> im not sure, never used longvehicles 22:04:11 <ericg> how soon until miniin does transfers properly? :( 22:04:20 <Sacro> dunno, cos trunk is broken too 22:04:27 <Sacro> think its mainly waiting for cargo packets 22:04:33 <Sacro> which is due for 0.6.0 22:04:40 <RichK67> when trunk gets fixed, miniin will be fixed :) 22:04:44 <ericg> :| 22:05:00 <Sacro> RichK67: if i had a look at the cargo packets branch, and got some stuff working, would you be interested? 22:05:13 <RichK67> you are welcome in the meantime to write a patch to "correct" transfers 22:05:27 <Sacro> hmm, yeah 22:05:31 <hylje> but rly, http://hylje.fi/files/ottd/ukrs-1920.png 22:05:35 <Sacro> im not quite sure how to correct them 22:05:46 <ericg> hylje: i know, i had dbset 22:05:48 <ericg> i forgot 22:06:03 <hylje> yeh but i was so slow in processing that pic 22:06:07 <ericg> lol 22:06:24 <RichK67> sacro: not really, i dont thing cargo packets is a good idea - i dont want to have the cargo dictating where i have to run trains... and end up chasing packets like a never ending stream of subsidies :( 22:07:43 <hylje> :/ 22:07:46 <ericg> the heck are cargo packets 22:07:51 <hylje> with passengers it can be useful 22:07:53 <Sacro> RichK67: theres 3 different levels of cargo packeting 22:08:21 <Sacro> on its most basic level, a cargo knows where it originated from, and hence can be transferred and it still knows its birthplace 22:08:53 <Sacro> ericg: each peace of cargo has some information such as start location, and possibly end location 22:09:07 <Sacro> can allow things like specific destinations, proper transfers 22:09:53 <ericg> ah 22:10:02 <ericg> so more like how railroad tycoon 3 handled things like passengers 22:10:07 <ericg> they had a specific destination in mind 22:10:29 <hylje> and possibly later you could have limits on how much you could, say, dump goods on a town 22:10:36 <ericg> yeah 22:10:40 <ericg> supply and demand 22:11:13 <hylje> so if you throw 2000 crates of goods at a 500-pop town a month.. 22:11:22 <hylje> they get fed up with those crates eventually 22:11:24 <ericg> a lot of it turns into surplus 22:11:25 <ericg> yeah 22:11:35 <ericg> rrt3 used that to dictate pricing 22:11:47 <ericg> a town with 40 loads of livestock doesn't really need any more livestock 22:11:49 <ericg> and won't pay as much for it 22:12:20 <hylje> funny when you think about it 22:12:27 <hylje> one livestock makes one crate of goods 22:12:33 <hylje> one ton of steel makes one crate of goods 22:12:48 <Sacro> hylje: no, supply and demand is in newindustries 22:13:00 <hylje> ohh nice 22:13:07 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181064115.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:13:31 <hylje> supply and demand would force coopers to make really crazy goods distribution systems 22:13:44 <Sacro> but you could maybe have passengers wanting to go to the coast in summer, and ski slopes in winter 22:13:53 <hylje> hehe 22:13:57 <Sacro> hylje: that'd be more interesting 22:14:05 <hylje> yeah 22:14:16 <RichK67> it would have to be optional... and i for one would turn it off! 22:14:20 <hylje> but with those coast-ski stuff, would an industry be "it" ? 22:14:56 <hylje> like, a ski center takes passengers, gives out passengers 1-2 weeks later 22:15:48 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-142-121.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! 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Nasty bug was allowing roads to be built on tiles with trains on. Restored original test in CmdPurchaseLandArea. 22:51:31 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-151-78.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:51:39 <Maedhros> so i guess the diagonal crossing patch is exhonerated then? :) 22:52:12 <RichK67> oh yeah... the other savegame was the big clue 22:52:33 <RichK67> it replaced an occupied station tile with a road tile 22:52:33 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-151-78.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:52:35 *** mikk36|lap [n=mikk35@pc51.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 22:53:05 <RichK67> so that is nothing to do with diagonal crossings 22:53:10 <Maedhros> hehe, it was a very strange bug, anyway 22:53:54 <RichK67> sure - i wouldnt have guessed that the system bought the land tile using CmdPurchaseLandArea before placing a road... 22:54:45 <Maedhros> no, i wouldn't have thought it either, although i suppose it makes sense thinking about it now 22:55:05 <RichK67> there is some logic to it, but its a bit overzealous... and probably should be commented in the header of the routine that it is used in that way 22:56:36 <RichK67> anyway problem solved :) 22:57:54 <Maedhros> cool. good job finding it :) 22:59:43 <RichK67> i dont usually go bug hunting ... i only went for this one cos ive been tough with some of wolf's other patches, and i didnt want to have to pull this one... in the end, an understandable error 22:59:56 <Sacro> gah i hate IE 23:00:25 <JohnUK89> Sacro: why use it? 23:00:38 <JohnUK89> There are plenty of alternatives :) 23:01:16 <Sacro> JohnUK89: when your a web designer trying to go pro, you kinda need to support it 23:01:28 <JohnUK89> Sacro: aah okies :P 23:03:48 <Sacro> and IE6 doesnt support CSS fully 23:04:32 <JohnUK89> Lol 23:04:56 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387D0C7.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 23:06:01 <Triffid_Hunter> heh, IE6 has worse support for CSS than dillo, which doesn't support it at all... 23:06:28 <RichK67> yeah - i hate the way i get the page spacing just right in FF, and then its all borked in IE :( 23:08:55 <Triffid_Hunter> lol RichK67 what about how IE will only apply many attributes to particular elements.. that's actually worse than no css support at all, since a browser that ignores css will still correctly render properly written pages 23:09:12 <Sacro> it seems that ie doesnt support position: fixed 23:10:00 <Sacro> and linux goes off to windows update... 23:10:03 <Triffid_Hunter> Sacro: nope, and it doesn't support :hover on any tag but a, and it sometimes supports display: but sometimes doesn't 23:10:07 <RichK67> its position:absolute 23:10:26 <Triffid_Hunter> Sacro: http://funkmunch.net/hc11-ide/ <-- perfect example of nice css being clobbered by IE ;) 23:10:54 <Triffid_Hunter> RichK67: position: absolute and position: fixed are quite different things.. IE doesn't support the latter. 23:12:11 <RichK67> ah - ok... i tend to use absolute when i want to specify position - but sometimes relative 23:12:46 <Triffid_Hunter> RichK67: "fixed" positions the element relative to the viewport rather than the page so it doesn't move when you scroll 23:13:02 <Sacro> hmm, but i want it fixed 23:13:05 <RichK67> ok - yeah 23:16:29 <Sacro> have to use some clever CSS hacks to tell ie to use fixed, and anyone who cares to use absolute 23:16:58 <Triffid_Hunter> you need javascript to do it afaik 23:18:11 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181064115.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:18:40 <Sacro> Triffid_Hunter: no, i can use conditional comments 23:19:13 <RichK67> gotta go 23:19:14 <RichK67> gn 23:19:17 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 23:23:09 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 23:31:26 <Sacro> right, ie6 works, now for ie5 23:31:52 * XeryusTC points out to a dev that maps are 2^n-1 big 23:35:29 <Sacro> XeryusTC: true 23:38:29 * JohnUK89 sighs, bored :( 23:40:21 <mikk36|lap> JohnUK89, life's too slow for ya ? 23:40:28 <mikk36|lap> on that mobile conn :P 23:40:58 <JohnUK89> mikk: yep! lol 23:41:38 <JohnUK89> I really REALLY want to move, so I can get DSL 23:44:19 <Sacro> hah 23:44:55 <JohnUK89> Sacro: I found out what Linux Format's DVD has on it 23:45:01 <Sacro> JohnUK89: nice one 23:45:30 <JohnUK89> Sacro: It has Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu, as well as some extra packages 23:45:54 <Sacro> is that what you want? 23:46:02 <JohnUK89> Yep, that would be brill :) 23:49:38 <Sacro> hmm, ill copy it tommorow and post it then 23:49:56 <JohnUK89> Cheers :-D 23:50:15 <JohnUK89> Should have me using Windows less (if the Bluetooth support is up to scratch) 23:51:00 <JohnUK89> Only real reason I use Windoze now is to get online 23:52:16 <JohnUK89> I can't say I play graphically intense games...only stuff like OTTD, so I have no real need for 3d Acceleration, and Linux has all the stuuff I'll need for me A2 courses 23:53:33 <JohnUK89> Just shove XMMS on there and I'll be flyin! :-D 23:56:51 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc51.host2.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:59:05 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 23:59:54 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC7F3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]