Log for #openttd on 10th August 2006:
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00:06:22  <Bjarni> mikk36: that's kind of tricky as we can't read Estonian :p
00:06:32  <pv2b> Bjarni: ?lng=eng
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00:07:05  <Bjarni> well, it still shows up in Estonian here
00:07:07  <pv2b> mikk36: i'm not sure, but you _may_ be able to get away with just a phototransistor.
00:07:23  <mikk36> Bjarni, look at the product catalogue at the left
00:07:23  <pv2b> and some wiring of course
00:08:22  <pv2b> make sure you get a phototransistor without a visible-light filter though
00:08:26  <pv2b> else it'll be sensitive only to infrared
00:08:28  <pv2b> and you don't want that
00:08:42  <mikk36> could u find me one from that page ?
00:10:57  <Maedhros> RichK67: Born<tab>: so you're looking for something like this?
00:11:12  <Maedhros> ('tis a very rough first attempt, obviously ;)
00:11:17  <pv2b> you could like... search for "phototransistor" or something
00:11:26  <mikk36> ?
00:11:38  <pv2b> yeah, those are phototransistors
00:11:58  <pv2b> but i have no way of knowing whether they'll be able to reset your motherboard direcctly
00:12:02  <pv2b> or if you'll need external components
00:12:10  <Sacro> RichK67: player_gui.c: In function 'DrawPlayerEconomyStats':
00:12:10  <Sacro> player_gui.c:49: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
00:12:15  <mikk36> damn
00:13:06  <Maedhros> Sacro: that's in trunk, too. when i asked, peter1138 said it was actually a gcc bug
00:13:09  <RichK67> Maedhros: yes, but on the other side :)  blocking the road connection
00:13:23  <Sacro> physics.h:143: warning: 'SqrtLinApprox' defined but not used
00:13:25  <Maedhros> RichK67: yeah - "rough draft" :-P
00:13:34  <mikk36> pv2b, but what's this ?
00:13:34  <mikk36>
00:13:53  <RichK67> Sacro: the physics one i dont understand... since the function *is* used...
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00:17:16  <Sacro> :D killed MiniIN
00:17:16  <pv2b> mikk36: that could work too, depending on how your motherboard is built.
00:17:24  <mikk36> just a default mobo
00:17:28  <Sacro> RichK67: i just disconnected a train
00:17:40  <pv2b> mikk36: yeah, though what you're doing isn't really something that's standard
00:17:59  <pv2b> mikk36: typically, the reset switch ports just assume you're oging to connect a swithc to them which closes and opens
00:18:01  <mikk36> a new thought... what if we connect that light sensor to a relay ?
00:18:07  <Sacro> RichK67: we have a bug
00:18:14  <Sacro> Maedhros: bug found :P
00:18:17  <pv2b> yeah, you could do that, but it'd be a more complicated circuit
00:18:34  <pv2b> you'd have to have to have some stage which amplified the signal from the photodiode
00:18:41  <pv2b> you're not going to trigger a relay with 20 mA of current
00:18:44  <RichK67> well.. spill the beans man
00:18:48  <pv2b> or 50 mA
00:18:49  <Maedhros> Sacro: bugger. what happened?
00:18:57  <pv2b> at least i dont think so
00:18:59  <pv2b> maybe.
00:19:15  <Sacro> i just built a peice of road, on a diagonal track with a train on it
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00:19:55  <mikk36> hmm
00:20:08  <Sacro> it seems that the check if a tile has a junction on, is bypassed if theres a train there
00:20:13  <Sacro> however it disconnects the train
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00:20:56  <mikk36> hmm.. i'm going for a test
00:21:10  <Maedhros> it shouldn't allow building at all if there's a train on the tile... have you got a savegame handy?
00:21:29  <Sacro> Maedhros: yes, but theres a LOT of newgrfs :(
00:21:40  <Bjarni> goodnight people
00:21:40  <Sacro> hang on, ill knock it up wiht a new cfg file
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00:22:20  <pv2b> mikk36: do you have a multimeter?
00:23:00  <RichK67> ok gn... if you get a fix, please post it in the MiniIN TODO thread in Suggestions forum
00:23:03  <RichK67> thanks
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00:23:47  <Sacro> grr, i can reproduce it in that save, but not in another
00:24:34  <mikk36> pv2b, no
00:24:53  <mikk36> i have a spare working mobo here
00:24:55  <mikk36> old one
00:25:05  <mikk36> i'm going to test the reset switch on it :)
00:25:12  <mikk36> with different methods
00:25:42  <pv2b> that won't be helpful
00:25:53  <pv2b> different mobos can implement the reset switch differently
00:25:56  <pv2b> it's not in a standard or a spec
00:26:02  <pv2b> i don't think so anyway
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00:26:46  <mikk36> so wat do u suggest ?
00:27:07  <pv2b> it's hard to suggest anything if you don't have basic measuring equipment really
00:27:27  <pv2b> if you're very lucky, just connecting a photodiode over the reset pins will work fine
00:27:34  <pv2b> err
00:27:37  <pv2b> a phototransistor i mean
00:28:22  <pv2b> that's if: your phone gives enough light and the phototransistor can pass enough current to make the computer reset
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00:29:38  <mikk36> ie if an usual LED can reset it then it should work ?
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00:30:14  <pv2b> actually, reading a little, i don't think just a phototransistor will work
00:30:31  <mikk36> cause it will always pass electrcity ?
00:30:45  <pv2b> no, because it won't pass enough to pull the reset pin down, i think
00:31:13  <mikk36> pull?
00:31:38  <Sacro> you just short it
00:31:45  <mikk36> and ?
00:31:48  <pv2b> it all dependso n how the motherboard is constructed, and without an idea of how it works it's impossible to know.
00:32:14  <mikk36> ie. u're saying that connecting a LED directly to the reset pins won't reset the mobo ?
00:32:19  <pv2b> Sacro: it all depends on how the motherboard detects it's shorted, and how much current it expects to pull through the switch, if it detects it by there being a ground voltage or what.
00:32:29  <Sacro> Maedhros:
00:32:31  <pv2b> mikk36: oh, you're talking about disassembling the phone.
00:32:37  <mikk36> ?
00:32:42  <mikk36> no
00:32:58  <pv2b> what then does a led have to do with any of this?
00:33:13  <mikk36> that opto-switch creates 50mA of power @ ~3-4V
00:33:32  <mikk36> and i've got enough leds here with 3.2V ~20-30mA
00:33:53  <pv2b> ... and?
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00:34:07  <mikk36> if i connect a LED directly to the reset pins, it should reset, right ?
00:34:13  <pv2b> an active led?
00:34:18  <mikk36> just an usual LED
00:34:37  <pv2b> if you connect the LED the "right" way even when it's not powered, the pins will short, a current will flow and it'll restart
00:34:43  <pv2b> if you connect it the wrong way, nothing will happen
00:34:46  <pv2b> i think anyway
00:34:51  <mikk36> ok
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00:35:30  <pv2b> if i were you, i'd start out by ggetting a multimeter and study what happens with the voltages on the reset pins
00:35:49  <pv2b> see if one of the pins is grounded or whatever, see if the other pin is pulled up to some voltage
00:35:56  <mikk36> and if i would then connect the opto-switch this way: ground to ground, vcc input with 5V and vO with the reset + pin
00:35:58  <mikk36> would it work ?
00:36:00  <pv2b> see how much current flows through to short it
00:36:24  <pv2b> mikk36: that'll work, IF the motherboard's reset pin is connected like this:
00:36:42  <pv2b> reset on voltage high, no reset if voltage low
00:36:59  <mikk36> ok, i'll test with an usual blue led now:)
00:37:17  <pv2b> a led won't tell you anything really i think
00:37:17  <mikk36> hmm.. gotta find my hdd (to see some hdd activity after resetting)
00:37:43  <mikk36> i mean if the LED's 20mA is enough then the 50mA from the optoswitch would be enough ?
00:38:15  <pv2b> i see, but afaik, the led iself doesn't limit the current.
00:38:40  <mikk36> if it's too much then the LED just fries
00:38:48  <pv2b> yeah
00:39:05  <mikk36> and then it passes nothing through
00:39:06  <pv2b> you should really get a multimeter if you're interested in this kind of stuff
00:39:14  <mikk36> yeah.. but it costs :P
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00:39:30  <pv2b> bah, you can get a really cheap one that will be okay for what you need to do
00:39:36  <pv2b> for only a few euros or so
00:39:42  <mikk36> damn.. where did i put my spare hdd ?
00:39:45  <pv2b> you don't need to get a top-of-the-line fluke multimeter with true rms or whatever
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00:43:04  <pv2b> <- one of these for ex.
00:43:47  <mikk36> hmm, ok
00:44:18  <pv2b> i'm not sure if that has a continuity test mode - that's probably the most useful feature i use the most.
00:45:11  <pv2b> (that's when the meter beeps when you put it in the right test mode, and you short circuit the probes)
00:46:10  <pv2b> <- that one has it for sure.
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00:47:01  <mikk36> :)
00:47:06  <mikk36> will buy it then
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00:48:25  <pv2b> then you can at least figure out how the motherboard reset pins are connected and how muuch current typically runs through it when shorted, and you can try reducing the current maybe by connecting some resistors so you know how much cuurrent needs to flow minimum for the reset to trigger
00:48:37  <pv2b> and at what voltage, of course
00:48:56  <mikk36> i think it should be basic 5V :)
00:49:01  <Maedhros> Sacro: where exactly do you build the road to reproduce the bug?
00:49:08  <mikk36> as with other indicator pins there
00:49:16  <Sacro> Maedhros: on the actual junction when the train is passing over
00:49:43  <pv2b> mikk36: could be, and if it is, using the photosensor you pasted tehre earlier (with the schmitt trigger) will work fine
00:50:03  <pv2b> mikk36: AS LONG as you pull the reset pin to 5V to reset it, otherwise, it'll only reset when it goes dark :D
00:50:34  <mikk36> dark ?
00:50:45  <Maedhros> Sacro: i get "Must remove railway track first", then "Train in the way" errors
00:50:48  <pv2b> yeah, no light falls on the sensor
00:51:09  <Maedhros> Sacro: i had to remove some of your grfs though, since i don't have them. maybe something weird's going on with one of those?
00:51:10  <Sacro> Maedhros: i dont, it builds it and then dies
00:51:10  <pv2b> it's equally possible it pulls the pin to ground when you want to reset it
00:51:14  <pv2b> and then the logic will be backwards
00:51:23  <Sacro> Maedhros: just use the save with a blank config, still happens
00:51:47  <Sacro> Maedhros: i have to go to bed, its 2am
00:51:54  <Sacro> ill do some debugging in the morning :)
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00:52:48  <Maedhros> Sac<tab>: nope, still works fine here...
00:53:06  <Maedhros> ah well, time for me to go to be too
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00:55:05  <mikk36> ok
00:55:09  <mikk36> bad luck
00:55:20  <mikk36> LED connection doesn't reset it
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01:11:38  <mikk36> hmm, ok
01:11:42  <mikk36> 1.5V is enough
01:11:45  <mikk36> from battery
01:11:48  <mikk36> or
01:11:48  <mikk36> damn
01:11:55  <mikk36> doesn't help this way :P
01:11:59  <mikk36> wrong test
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01:20:08  <mikk36> pv2b, u still there ?
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07:42:20  <ln-> Celestar has returned.
07:48:33  *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by MiHaMiX
07:48:36  *** mode/#openttd [+v ln-] by MiHaMiX
07:49:12  *** mode/#openttd [+ooo Darkvater peter1138 Tron] by MiHaMiX
07:49:22  *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by MiHaMiX
07:49:26  *** mode/#openttd [+v CIA-5] by MiHaMiX
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08:09:56  <peter1138> hmm, so
08:10:19  <peter1138> MiHaMiX: don't do that
08:12:59  <MiHaMiX> peter1138: what and why? :)
08:13:13  *** mode/#openttd [-oooo Belugas Celestar Darkvater peter1138] by MiHaMiX
08:13:15  <peter1138> op people...
08:13:16  *** mode/#openttd [-o Tron] by MiHaMiX
08:13:19  *** mode/#openttd [-vv CIA-5 ln-] by MiHaMiX
08:13:19  <peter1138> there's a chanserv for that
08:13:35  <MiHaMiX> yes, yes, I know.. I just get used to it on IRCNet :)
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08:29:01  <ln-> also, you should deop yourself, all of you.
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08:29:15  <MiHaMiX> ln-: no way:D
08:29:25  <ln-> having ops is against freenode guidelines.
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08:38:50  <peter1138> :(
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08:43:11  <Darkvater> bleh, dis
08:44:31  <peter1138> dat
08:45:31  <Darkvater> he
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09:10:45  <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5831 /trunk/win32.c: - Fix (r5765): regression regarding windows filetimes. st->st_mtime's type time_t is only 64bit on windows64, so we need to convert it.
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09:16:17  <peter1138> nice
09:16:32  <Born_Acorn> peter1138, did you see the follow up Queries?
09:16:32  <Born_Acorn> :p
09:16:43  <peter1138> to what?
09:16:50  <peter1138> oh, yes
09:16:55  <peter1138> but my adsl broke last night
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09:17:03  <peter1138> and i'm not around at midnight anyway
09:17:33  <Born_Acorn> I'm not around between 22:10 and 23:59 then!
09:17:59  <Bjarni> what is on TV in GB at 22:10 tonight?
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09:18:28  <Born_Acorn> I only watched a movie last night.
09:18:55  <Bjarni> I meant tonight, not last night
09:19:20  <Born_Acorn> I thought it was too patriotic to the US. I doubt people get pseudo-orgasms handling the Declaration of Independance in real life.
09:19:22  <Bjarni> I mean I join and everybody from GB declares that they will not be here tonight, so I presume that something is going on
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09:43:03  <JohnUK89> Morning :)
09:43:40  <JohnUK89> In fact...brb need a reboot
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09:46:42  <Sacro> JohnUK89: morning
09:47:04  <JohnUK89> Morning Sacro :)
09:54:11  <JohnUK89> Hmm I'm gonna get food, bbs
09:54:47  <hylje> rofl, kennedy assassination simulator is the win
09:55:14  <SpComb> old?
09:56:13  <Sacro> ;p;
09:56:19  <Sacro> *lol
09:59:47  <hylje> old yes but crazy funny
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10:31:38  <hylje> openttd: ai/default/default.c:1789: AiStateBuildDefaultRailBlocks: Assertion `!CmdFailed(r)' failed.
10:35:53  <JohnUK89> back
10:37:04  <JohnUK89> <downloading at an astonishing 1.3k :P
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10:37:24  <Sacro> lol
10:39:35  * JohnUK89 got annoyed with Ubuntu and having to re-pair phone every time
10:39:42  <JohnUK89> lol
10:40:04  <JohnUK89> But by the looks of it FC5's support is even worse
10:40:44  <Sacro> heh
10:40:50  <Sacro> i love Arch
10:41:19  <JohnUK89> Lol
10:41:38  <JohnUK89> One distro I HATE is Mandriva
10:43:03  <JohnUK89> I tried it when it was Mandrake, didn't like it at all
10:43:25  <JohnUK89> I think it's just my hatred of KDE showing through :P
10:46:08  <JohnUK89> Right, n00b question here: where's the best place to pick up newgrfs?
10:46:15  <JohnUK89> Lol
10:46:23  * peter1138 < poor
10:46:25  <ln->
10:46:31  <XeryusTC>
10:46:48  <JohnUK89> XeryusTC: cheers :)
10:46:57  <XeryusTC> :)
10:47:48  <JohnUK89> I got bored with the town buildings :P
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11:04:54  <hylje> big aeroplane is biig
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11:23:01  <hylje> so miniin got diagonal railroad crossings?
11:23:11  <ln->
11:24:16  <Sacro> hylje: yes, but there are bugs
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11:25:08  <Sacro> ln-: WTF :O
11:26:09  <hylje> srsly
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11:40:55  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	ln-: WTF :O <-- don't tell me that you didn't already knew those
11:41:23  <Trenskow> we want those in ttd :D
11:41:35  <Bjarni> why?
11:41:40  <Trenskow> just kidding
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11:42:42  <hylje> why
11:43:41  <mikk36> Bjarni, aren't they cute ? :)
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11:44:44  <Darkvater> goddammit fucking fuck
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11:46:02  * Darkvater hates freenode
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11:47:25  <Maedhros> Sacro: i still can't reproduce that bug you found. with and without your config... which MiniIN revision are you using?
11:52:28  <Darkvater> the config shouldn't matter since all relevant patches options are saved with the savegame
11:56:04  <Bjarni> mikk36: who are cute?
11:56:10  <Bjarni> the children of this channel?
11:56:21  <mikk36> no, antonov :)
11:56:29  <Bjarni> ahh
11:56:36  <Bjarni> well
11:56:44  <Bjarni> I don't know if cute is the right word
12:01:05  <Born_Acorn> Are there any actually *good* IRC Servers?
12:01:07  <Born_Acorn> :p
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12:06:30  <ln-> Darkvater: you have not donated enough money to lilo'
12:06:34  <ln-> lilo's spinhome
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12:07:29  <Darkvater> ?
12:12:38  <Sacro> Maedhros: hang ona  tic
12:13:19  <Sacro> Maedhros: 5830-MiniIN
12:13:58  <Maedhros> thanks. i'll have another look :)
12:14:54  <Sacro> it could be newgrf related
12:14:56  <Maedhros> do you compile them yourself? if so, have a look at 5827 which is when it was merged. it doesn't happen there for me
12:15:08  <Sacro> hmm, yeah
12:15:12  <Sacro> yeah, self compiled
12:16:01  <roboman> gnight
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12:16:09  <Sacro> night robobed
12:16:28  <Bjarni> heh, I read that as robbed :P
12:16:41  <Sacro> lol
12:16:42  <mikk36> :P
12:16:50  * Sacro watches the news :(
12:18:05  <Sacro> cant wait for my new pc, 1 core for irc, 1 core for compiling
12:18:12  <mikk36> lol
12:18:38  <JohnUK89> Sacro: least they caught them
12:18:45  <mikk36> can't use both cores for compiling at once ?
12:18:46  <Sacro> JohnUK89: yes, thats true
12:18:54  <Bjarni> mikk36: use -j 2
12:18:57  <CIA-5> belugas * r5832 /branches/XTDwidget/ (10 files):
12:18:57  <CIA-5> [XTDwidget] Add (Is|Set|IsThis)WidgetHidden and (start to) use it.
12:18:57  <CIA-5> -Inlinize the new Widget functions
12:18:57  <CIA-5> -Keep on removing disabled_state
12:19:03  <Sacro> but my dad and his fiancee and her daughters are out in the Ukraine (i think)
12:19:25  <Bjarni> Sacro: they will get a nice train ride home then ;)
12:19:29  <JohnUK89> Sacro: ouch :S
12:20:06  <Sacro> Bjarni: from Odessa to UK?
12:20:13  <Sacro> they already have to go via poland
12:20:42  <mikk36> why ?
12:21:03  <Sacro> i dont think theres direct flights from Odessa to the UK
12:21:30  <mikk36> what r they doing out there anyway ?
12:21:41  <Bjarni> Sacro: well, unless they want to walk, they have to find some other mean of transportation if they can't fly. Europe got a pretty large railroad network
12:21:51  <JohnUK89> Holiday? lol
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12:22:13  <Sacro> mikk36: visiting my dads fiancees mum, and a holiday too
12:22:15  <JohnUK89> Bjarni, they'll be able to fly within a day, they're only shutting it all down as a precaution
12:22:38  <Sacro> hmm, its still scary
12:22:45  <Sacro> my boss works at heathrow
12:23:07  <Bjarni> so Sacro's dad just have to spend another day with his mother in law (to be)... could be worse
12:23:19  <Sacro> he could have to spend it with me...
12:23:35  <Bjarni> you could have gone with him
12:23:38  <Bjarni> your choice
12:23:46  <Sacro> nah, i couldnt
12:23:51  <Sacro> no money and no passport
12:24:03  <Sacro> plus, all those sexy ukrainian girls, id have never come home
12:24:14  <Bjarni> so it's a win-win
12:24:23  <Sacro> ooh, thats true
12:24:33  <Bjarni> sexy Ukranian girls for you and no Sacro for us :P
12:24:35  <mikk36> all those sexy highway sluts there ?
12:24:45  <mikk36> :P
12:24:48  <Sacro> Bjarni: :o
12:25:18  <Sacro> thats evil :(
12:25:22  <Sacro> im sure they have IRC
12:25:27  <Bjarni> well, he will have fun for a while, then the AIDS will kick in, but that's not right away, so who cares?
12:25:42  <JohnUK89> LOL
12:26:00  <mikk36> :P
12:26:02  <mikk36> exactly
12:26:19  <Maedhros> Sacro: i can reproduce it now... (i was building on the wrong tile) but only in MiniIN, not in the trunk version
12:26:20  * Bjarni sets mode +b *!*@*.ua
12:26:31  <Bjarni> now we avoided the issue of them having IRC access
12:26:38  <mikk36> lol
12:26:38  <Sacro> Maedhros: ah right
12:26:41  <Sacro> Bjarni: ssh :P
12:26:42  <Kjetil> "AIDS just kicked in yo"
12:26:43  <Maedhros> i wonder if PBS isn't trying to use some of the same map bits... :/
12:26:49  <JohnUK89> Hehe
12:26:52  <Sacro> is it a PBS junction?
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12:31:39  <JohnUK89> There we go...better IRC client now :P
12:32:10  <Sacro> xchat :D
12:32:22  <JohnUK89> Nah im in Windoze, unfortunately
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12:32:40  <Sacro> :o the horrorz
12:32:49  <JohnUK89> :-(
12:33:00  <Bjarni> shit
12:33:07  <Bjarni> JohnUK89 is contaminating the channel
12:33:23  <JohnUK89> Lol
12:33:32  * SpComb pats windows
12:33:36  <peter1138> yeah, with bad typing
12:33:43  <peter1138> speaking of windows
12:34:02  <peter1138> anyone know of a disk space monitor program that'll send email alerts on low space?
12:34:12  <JohnUK89> Only reason I'm not in some form of *nix is that Ubuntu was annoying me, and FC5 doesnt have decent Bluetooth support
12:34:47  <JohnUK89> In fact Sacro, I'm gonna take you up on that offer you made ;-)
12:35:01  <Sacro> eh? offer?
12:35:15  <Sacro> if it was after midnight, or before midday you'll have to remind me!
12:35:16  <JohnUK89> Lets see if I can remember exactly what you said...hmmm
12:35:31  <peter1138> sounds a bit private
12:35:58  <JohnUK89> Sacro: you offered to send me a Linux distro, since I can't really get one
12:35:59  <Sacro> peter1138: hehe
12:36:04  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	if it was after midnight, or before midday you'll have to remind me! <-- not to mention the offers you make after midday and before midnight
12:36:07  <Sacro> JohnUK89: ah yes, any in partiuclar?
12:36:19  <JohnUK89> Sacro, Ubuntu
12:36:24  <Sacro> Bjarni: well, them quite often get forgotten too :)
12:36:31  <JohnUK89> I'm only running 5.10 atm
12:36:45  <Sacro> JohnUK89: pm me your address and ill shove one in the post
12:36:56  <Sacro> do you want live-cd, alternate cd, dvd..
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12:37:38  <JohnUK89> Sacro, DVD if its ok with you :)
12:37:55  <Sacro> yeah, ill set the torrent going
12:38:05  <JohnUK89> Cheers :-D
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12:41:26  <Born_Acorn> peter1138, you made newgrf text work for planes and other vehicles already? o_O
12:41:38  <Born_Acorn> Or did you already have a patch?
12:41:44  <peter1138> hmm?
12:41:47  <peter1138> oh
12:41:51  <peter1138> i wrote it last night, yes
12:42:00  <Born_Acorn> You is fast!
12:42:15  <Born_Acorn> (except with newsounds!):p
12:42:24  <Sacro> hehe, newsounds is taking aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages
12:42:36  <Born_Acorn> Av8 is cool with newsounds.
12:42:42  <Born_Acorn> UKRS too!
12:42:46  <hylje> :o
12:42:58  <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly does Av8 stand for?
12:43:23  <peter1138> aviate
12:43:24  <Born_Acorn> Have no idea. :p
12:43:45  <peter1138> as in... planes
12:43:49  <Born_Acorn> ah! Aviate. How cool. I never even knew I was saying it all along!
12:43:55  <peter1138> hehe
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12:44:22  <Born_Acorn> The special takeoff and landing sounds are cool, though.
12:44:58  <hapo>
12:46:45  <peter1138> yeah, newsounds are nice
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12:56:46  <Tron> mr nelson?
12:56:49  <Sacro> hmm, i wonder if you can set 1 core working out pi from start to end, and another from end to start, and work it out twice as fast
12:57:01  <Sacro> Tron: ha ha!
12:57:20  <Maedhros> Sacro: i have nfc how, but this bug isn't in diagonal crossings at all, it's introduced by the drag-and-drop land buying patch applied just afterwards
12:57:27  <JohnUK89> There is no end to pi, the second core would crash :P
12:57:44  <Tron> Sacro: i meant nelson as last name, not first name
12:57:53  <Sacro> Maedhros: buh... how does that work?
12:58:03  <hylje> Sacro: i think your plan has a flaw
12:58:23  <Eddi|zuHause> constant factors are completely irrelevant for complexity classes ;)
12:58:25  <Sacro> im sure marvin the paranoid android tells us what the last number is
12:58:41  <Sacro> and theres a 1/10  chance of getting it right
12:58:50  <hylje> ohh
12:58:50  <JohnUK89> Sacro: Marvin lies :P
12:58:56  <hylje> so if you have ten computers..
12:58:59  <Tron> Eddi|zuHause: and then there's actual existing hardware with actual existing implementations of algorithms...
12:59:01  <Maedhros> Sacro: like i say, i have no idea. but it's fine in 5827, but broken in 5828
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12:59:07  <JohnUK89> it is a non-recurring decimal; it goes on forever
12:59:13  <Tron> peter1138?
12:59:20  <Sacro> the duracell bunny of numbers
12:59:30  <Eddi|zuHause> Tron: yeah, but they are not trying to find the last number of pi ;)
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13:00:04  <Maedhros> Sacro: i'm intigued by this comment in the patch though:  cost = _price.purchase_land*10; //crashes the game
13:00:11  <Tron> Eddi|zuHause: that's easy!
13:00:14  <Eddi|zuHause> reminds me of that bash quote ;)
13:00:20  <Tron> according to the bible pi is 3
13:00:26  <Tron> therefore its last digit is 3
13:00:28  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i know ;)
13:00:37  <Sacro> Tron: yes, some king back then declared it as law
13:00:37  <JohnUK89> You can work up to a particular decimal place, but not to the end of pi, as pi has no "end"
13:00:49  <Sacro> Maedhros: thats...scary
13:00:56  <Eddi|zuHause> but that has a constant runtime, and thus also does not care about a factor of 2 ;)
13:00:57  <Sacro> where is Wolf01
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13:01:15  <Sacro> !summon Wolf01
13:02:01  <Sacro> yes, i noticed the full moon
13:02:31  <JohnUK89> Last night wasnt it? :P
13:02:34  <Sacro> yup
13:03:17  <JohnUK89> argh WHY do I have 1000 passengers waiting in 1943?? ARGH!
13:03:21  <Sacro> hopefully my mum will go out soon so i can use the dvd writer
13:03:27  <Sacro> JohnUK89: they like the war?
13:03:51  <JohnUK89> Sacro: maybe! :P
13:04:05  <Sacro> yes you did! you invaded poland! hehehe
13:04:10  <JohnUK89> Sacro: Okies @ DVD writer
13:04:17  <JohnUK89> Sacro: :P
13:04:27  <Sacro> check what Linux Format has regarding Ubuntu
13:04:28  <Prof_Frink> fnarr
13:04:36  <Sacro> Prof_Frink: yes
13:04:59  <JohnUK89> Schnurgle?
13:05:08  <Sacro> the purple?
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13:05:33  <JohnUK89> Nah that's Schlurple ;-)
13:05:39  <Sacro> oh noes its jonty-comp
13:05:45  <jonty-comp> lies
13:05:47  * jonty-comp hides
13:06:02  <Sacro> twas close
13:06:17  <Sacro> my laptop has too many OS's downloading
13:06:19  <JohnUK89> Lol
13:06:51  <JohnUK89> Need bigger planes! LOL
13:07:57  <Sacro> select e-mail, dxy, and off it goes!
13:08:08  <JohnUK89> Oh and the "flat land required" message is useless for airports, look at Leeds Bradford :P
13:08:19  <Sacro> never seen it
13:08:28  <JohnUK89> It's like a huge ramp lol
13:08:38  <Sacro> it helps on take-off
13:08:44  <JohnUK89> Yeah
13:08:51  <JohnUK89> Especially for the 747's
13:08:52  <Sacro> ahh, asciiquarium
13:09:28  <JohnUK89> Hmm the more planes I build the more passengers are waiting...Time for trains methinks
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13:29:47  <dazjorz> Hey
13:30:15  <dazjorz> I'm trying to set up a dedicated server on my Linux box
13:30:24  <Noldo> and?
13:30:29  <dazjorz> I downloaded Nightly build r5813
13:30:35  <dazjorz> OTTD-dedicated-linux-i386-nightly-r5813.tar.bz2
13:30:52  <dazjorz> When I run openttd, it says "Error: Cannot open file 'data/'"
13:30:57  <dazjorz> Where do I get this file ?
13:31:21  <JohnUK89> dazjorz, you need a copy of the original Transport Tycoon Delux data files
13:31:22  <Noldo> from the copy of transport tycoon deluxe you have bought
13:31:34  <dazjorz> Are these the same in both Windows and Linux ?
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13:32:24  <glx> there's no linux version of ttd :)
13:32:42  <glx> but openttd can use dos or windows ttd files
13:32:42  <JohnUK89> You need either the DOS or Windows data files :)
13:32:45  <dazjorz> I guess that's a yes.
13:33:02  <peter1138> windows is a better bet
13:33:06  <JohnUK89> The Windows ones are prettier ;-)
13:33:07  <dazjorz> Ok, I copied them.
13:33:11  <glx> look at the readme for a file list
13:33:13  <dazjorz> also copying some scenarios etc
13:33:45  <dazjorz> The executable outputs nothing now
13:33:50  <dazjorz> It just exits =\
13:33:52  <dazjorz> did it fork?
13:34:07  <JohnUK89> dazjorz, do you have SDL?
13:34:09  <dazjorz> it obviously didn't fork
13:34:16  <dazjorz> JohnUK89: I downloaded the console version
13:34:22  <dazjorz> I don't think that needs SDL
13:34:26  <JohnUK89> Ah
13:34:26  <dazjorz> .. does it ?
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13:34:53  <dazjorz> This is just for a dedicated server
13:35:36  <JohnUK89> dazjorz, I think you need the right argumants to start the server...but dont quute me on it, never run an OTTD server
13:35:46  <dazjorz> I'll --help
13:36:04  <dazjorz> what should be after connect_to_ip in openttd.cfg?
13:36:08  <lordpaavo> -D
13:36:19  <lordpaavo> nothing there
13:36:26  <lordpaavo> but -D starts dedi server
13:36:33  <dazjorz> lordpaavo: Yup, just saw that in --help
13:36:43  <dazjorz> Cool, it quite works.
13:39:51  * JohnUK89 will brb
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13:41:32  <Brianetta> [13:37] <lordpaavo> but -D starts dedi server
13:41:32  <Brianetta> Does -J start a jedi server?
13:41:55  <mikk36> lol
13:42:11  <JohnUK89> Brianetta: That would be good, using the Force to move trains :-D
13:46:45  <mikk36> then we could have flying trains
13:46:46  <mikk36> :D
13:46:55  <JohnUK89> mikk36: hehe
13:46:55  <mikk36> or frlying ships :D
13:47:27  <Brianetta> or people on the platform holding a lightsaber out over the track
13:47:33  <JohnUK89> And lightsaber battles on buses ;-)
13:47:33  <Brianetta> Redefining SPAD
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13:49:54  <JohnUK89> Wouldn't be right without Yoda though :)
13:54:21  <dazjorz> Woot
13:56:59  <eQualizer> Does anyone have any good real world scenario?
13:59:33  <Born_Acorn> I have a good scenario of a 10 square mile section of the Pacific Ocean!
13:59:34  <Gonozal_VIII> when you desync while the right mouse button is pressed you can scroll around on the start screen
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14:02:02  <mikk36> nice bug
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14:07:04  <LaPingvino> Hi there!
14:11:44  <LaPingvino> Hi there!
14:12:50  <JohnUK89> LaPingvino, ello
14:13:10  <LaPingvino> Who should I contact to begin translation?
14:13:20  <LaPingvino> I'd like to translate OpenTTD to Esperanto
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14:14:03  <glx> LaPingvino: and read the page :)
14:15:09  <LaPingvino> Yeah, so I will need to mail it... :)
14:15:12  <LaPingvino> okay
14:15:23  <LaPingvino> (btw, i did read there yet)
14:17:18  <magus_x> Esperanto still exists
14:17:19  <magus_x> ?
14:17:21  <magus_x> LOL
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14:22:13  <LaPingvino> yes, of course
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14:23:53  <LaPingvino> some milion speakers :)
14:24:14  <JohnUK89> If anything it's become more popular over the past 5 years
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14:25:40  <LaPingvino> Saluton, ?u estas iuj Esperantistoj ?i tie?
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14:44:35  <CIA-5> tron * r5833 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: Allow building of (certain) rails, roads and bridge ramps on steep sloped tiles
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15:05:51  <JohnUK89> All Hail GPRS! :P
15:06:09  <JohnUK89> (well, for about an hour till it breaks)
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15:17:40  <JohnUK89> MiHaMiX: ello
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15:26:19  <mikk36> lol
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15:31:10  <Born_Acorn> Ooh. The "steeper slopes" feature.
15:31:13  * Born_Acorn SVNs
15:32:55  * hylje svn up && make:s
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15:34:41  <CIA-5> truelight * r5834 /branches/TGP/video/dedicated_v.c: [TGP] -Fix r5814: for the dedicated server we switch to the mode immediatly, not the next tick
15:36:41  <hylje> cool
15:41:07  <peter1138> Tron: kept that quiet :)
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15:42:10  <SpComb> Logs:
15:42:10  <MiHaMiX> !logs
15:42:30  <MiHaMiX> nice :)
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15:44:37  <Born_Acorn> peter1138, indeed. :)
15:44:59  <Born_Acorn> Ah, I read that wrong!
15:45:46  <peter1138> still valid
15:45:53  <peter1138> tron kept that quiet :)
15:46:01  <peter1138> (probably due to 'experience' with bridges...)
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15:50:28  * Brianetta grumbles about the bridges
15:50:38  <Born_Acorn> hmm. Unfortuantely, you can only build up and down the steep slopes, not along the top.
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15:51:50  <peter1138> :(
15:51:56  <peter1138> hmm
15:52:01  <CIA-5> truelight * r5835 /branches/TGP/video/dedicated_v.c: [TGP] -Fix r5834: forgot to switch _switch_mode to NONE after running the map
15:54:27  <peter1138> Darkvater: look! i emailed!
15:54:47  <peter1138> errr
15:54:48  <peter1138> hmm
15:54:49  <peter1138> bounced :(
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16:06:26  <peter1138> there
16:06:29  <peter1138> it went through :D
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17:05:22  <glx> Darkvater: ping
17:06:09  <Sacro> glx: pongs!
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17:24:44  <Darkvater> back :)
17:24:47  <Darkvater> glx: pong
17:24:59  <glx> ===> Compiling win32.c
17:24:59  <glx> win32.c: In function `FiosIsValidFile':
17:24:59  <glx> win32.c:723: warning: integer constant is too large for "long" type
17:25:20  <glx> I fixed it using LL but I think it works only for mingw
17:26:01  <Darkvater> which line is that?
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17:26:11  <glx> static const int64 posix_epoch_hns = 0x019DB1DED53E8000;
17:26:26  <Darkvater> ah
17:26:29  <glx> warning gone with static const int64 posix_epoch_hns = 0x019DB1DED53E8000LL;
17:26:53  <Darkvater> well, msvc doesn't complain so I think it's ok
17:28:15  <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5836 /trunk/win32.c: - Silence a warning on mingw. Thanks glx.
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18:08:50  <Wolf01> yo
18:09:04  <guru3> yo yo
18:10:09  <JohnUK89> yo yo yo
18:10:11  <JohnUK89> :P
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18:10:23  <guru3> YOMEGA!
18:10:33  <JohnUK89> LOL
18:10:38  <JohnUK89> YOHYPER!
18:11:19  <guru3> :/
18:11:36  <Wolf01> oh, the svn feed-rss now works
18:11:42  <guru3> i'm guessing you weren't in the us about 6 years ago
18:11:50  <JohnUK89> Nah lol
18:11:55  <JohnUK89> Never been there in me life
18:12:09  <guru3> so that joke just went right past you then
18:12:20  <Bjarni> Wolf01: see what you just started.... you will pay for making my people talk silly
18:12:32  <Wolf01> :)
18:12:53  * Bjarni makes Wolf01 pay
18:12:55  <Bjarni> done
18:13:09  * Wolf01 $$$$$$
18:13:13  <guru3> lol
18:13:49  <Bjarni> wrong currency
18:14:03  * Wolf01 EUREUREUREUREUR
18:14:14  <Bjarni> eek
18:14:20  <Bjarni> a unionizer :(
18:14:29  <Bjarni> even worse
18:14:49  * JohnUK89 hands Bjarni ££££££££ :P
18:15:15  <Bjarni> damn, that's heavy
18:15:22  <guru3> now who's silly ;)
18:15:35  <Bjarni> hmm
18:15:41  <JohnUK89> I expect payment with 75% interest on Monday ;-)
18:15:45  <Bjarni> Wolf01
18:15:56  <Wolf01> :O i noticed that i can chat with myself, is the beginning of a new era
18:16:11  <Bjarni> he failed to use the channel currency
18:16:56  <guru3> what's the channel currency?
18:17:03  <Wolf01> £ ?
18:17:15  <Bjarni> kr
18:17:22  <Wolf01> >_>
18:18:36  <Bjarni> heh, it's funny to look at country domain names
18:18:40  <Bjarni> kg = Kyrgyzstan
18:18:45  <Bjarni> where is that?
18:18:46  <guru3> danish or swedisn kr?
18:18:59  <Bjarni> Bjarnian kr
18:19:04  <ln-> or norwegian or estonian
18:19:04  <Bjarni> what else
18:19:06  <guru3> geh
18:19:10  <guru3> what's the exchange rate?
18:19:20  <Bjarni> 1:1 to DKR
18:19:29  <guru3> ><
18:19:32  <Wolf01> Bjarni, i read about you in a clive cussler book... wasn't you?
18:19:45  <Bjarni> ?
18:20:05  <Wolf01> -> Clive Cussler, Iceberg
18:20:21  <Bjarni> I read..., wasn't you? <-- change of person in mid sentence symtax error
18:20:42  <Sacro> Wolf01: wasn't it you
18:20:45  <Wolf01> i'm not english... i'm.. ask sacro
18:20:55  <Sacro> he's stupid, and italian
18:21:02  <fusey> clive cussler is the man
18:21:13  <JohnUK89> Sacro: ello
18:21:15  <Wolf01> there is a kid called Bjarni who saved the hero
18:21:23  <Bjarni> <Wolf01>	i'm not english... i'm.. ask sacro <-- spaghetti eater?
18:21:29  <fusey> i read iceberg but far too long ago to remember it
18:21:35  <Sacro> Bjarni: no, i just ate a cheeseburger
18:22:02  <Bjarni> I mean, the people in Paris are frog eaters, so why not spaghetti eaters ;)
18:22:16  <JohnUK89> Talking of food, I need some lol
18:22:16  <Wolf01> i eat what comes in the table
18:22:26  <Sacro> Wolf01: termites?
18:22:37  <Wolf01> spaghetti, frogs, belgian pickles
18:22:48  <Bjarni> hmm
18:22:58  <Sacro> mm, danish bacon
18:23:00  <Bjarni> eats everything... sounds like a pig :p
18:23:08  <Wolf01> :)
18:23:25  <Wolf01> and i weight only 62kg
18:23:32  <Sacro> danish pigs have nice bacon
18:23:43  <SpComb> :o
18:24:02  * Bjarni notes that with Wolf01's weight, he is not strong enough for the labour camps
18:24:27  <Wolf01> i'm a computer technician ;)
18:25:00  <Wolf01> and i must go filling my stomach, bbl
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18:25:43  <Bjarni> so he needs to increase his input
18:25:57  <Bjarni> how many MB do you guys think it will take him to come back?
18:27:19  <JohnUK89> Why measure in MB? 10GB! :P
18:27:21  <valhallasw> 28
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18:27:52  <Bjarni> so how long will it take to transfer 10 GB?
18:28:04  <Bjarni> do anybody know his throat bandwidth?
18:28:10  <JohnUK89> Depends how fast it transfers lol
18:28:25  <Bjarni> <Wolf01>	i'm a computer
18:28:29  <Bjarni> he said it himself
18:28:42  <JohnUK89> I'd say he has to have gigabit in his gob
18:29:19  <JohnUK89> But he won't fully utilise it :)
18:29:19  <Bjarni> so 10*8 sec.... then he should be back by now
18:29:40  <Bjarni> then we need to upgrade his firmware ASAP
18:29:49  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: yep
18:30:09  <JohnUK89> I have the floppy just need to upload the firmware to it
18:30:49  <Bjarni> we need to use a CD. A floppy is too small
18:31:12  <JohnUK89> It's wolf01 we're talking about here, a floppy will do it :P
18:31:21  <Bjarni> hmm
18:31:28  <Bjarni> it's do the Apple trick on him
18:31:49  <JohnUK89> Apple trick?
18:31:51  <Bjarni> upload the firmware to his HD and then boot in a mode to install the firmware from the HD
18:32:08  <Bjarni> new macs don't need extra hardware to do firmware updates
18:32:10  <hylje> JohnUK89: since apple boxen do not have floppy drives
18:32:12  <JohnUK89> Aah lol
18:32:21  <hylje> JohnUK89: havent had for years really
18:32:21  <Bjarni> you just run an app and then restart when it's ready
18:32:51  <JohnUK89> Bjarni, about 20 minutes
18:32:53  <Bjarni> then you wait for it to patch the firmware and it hard resets on it's own afterwards. Then it boots normally again
18:33:01  <JohnUK89> just calculated the time
18:33:08  <JohnUK89> wolf will be away for 20 minutes :P
18:33:28  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: aah
18:33:32  <SpComb> Bjarni: or, then it fails to boot ever again \o/
18:33:38  <SpComb> firmware update = bios flashing?
18:33:57  <Bjarni> Apple never used a bios
18:33:59  <JohnUK89> SpComb: same kind of thing, it updates the EFI
18:34:28  <Bjarni> <SpComb>	Bjarni: or, then it fails to boot ever again \o/ <-- well, this is pretty rare unless you use 3rd party updates :P
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18:34:38  <Bjarni> like Sacro just did
18:34:58  <SpComb> oh rights, macs do it their own way
18:35:06  * SpComb has flashed his bios live from inside windows before
18:35:13  <SpComb> didn't even need to reboot
18:35:46  <Bjarni> btw boot camp (the package, that allows intel macs to boot windows) actually just enables the hardware to emulate a bios. It works faster without one because (inset name I forgot right here) works faster than the bios chips
18:36:19  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: EFI - Exstensible Firmware Interface
18:36:28  <Bjarni> most likely
18:36:41  <JohnUK89> That's what it is :P
18:37:41  <Bjarni> while people talk about boot camp as the thing, that enables the computer to boot into windows, it's actually the firmware (1.01 I think) that enables it. Boot camp is more or less a tool to partition the HD and a windows hardware driver collection
18:38:04  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: yep lol
18:38:34  <Bjarni> I would say that it's highly recommended to use the drivers, but it's actually not needed and you can use other tools to format the HD ;)
18:38:49  <JohnUK89> Lol
18:40:04  * JohnUK89 needs food, bbs
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18:43:17  <Bjarni> we got no room for failure
18:43:32  <Bjarni> his estimate for Wolf01's return was 3 minutes off
18:44:00  <Wolf01> i always been there
18:44:25  <Bjarni> Wolf01: btw you really missed some stuff in the last 17 minutes
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18:44:29  <Bjarni> you better read back
18:44:58  <Zavior> SpComb, asus mobo?
18:45:01  <Wolf01> i turn off my eyes when recharging
18:45:46  <Bjarni> Wolf01: a firmware update can solve that problem
18:46:09  <Wolf01> now i'm ghosting some beefs from my mouth to my stomach
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18:46:37  <Tron> any complaints so far?
18:48:06  <ln-> i would like to complain about the weather in Munich last Thursday.
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18:48:54  <peter1138> nope
18:49:05  <SpComb> Zavior: abit
18:50:41  <peter1138> well, apart from Born_Acorn
18:50:58  <peter1138> but we all ignore Born_Acorn anyway
18:51:02  <Wolf01> bbl, i'm going to hear a U2 cover band
18:51:26  <JohnUK89|Dead> Wolf01: FLAC or Ogg? :P
18:51:38  <Wolf01> wav
18:51:44  <JohnUK89|Dead> Pah
18:52:07  <Wolf01> see you tomorrow ;)
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18:54:18  * Bjarni shoots JohnUK89
18:54:30  <Bjarni> I dare you to respawn this time
18:54:41  * JohnUK89 respawns
18:54:43  <JohnUK89> :-D
18:54:52  * JohnUK89 shoots Bjarni
18:54:58  <Bjarni> hahaha
18:55:06  <Bjarni> you dare to oppose me???
18:55:07  <JohnUK89> Damn Op :@ :P
18:55:21  <JohnUK89> Yeah! :P
18:55:22  * Bjarni disintegrates JohnUK89
18:55:46  * JohnUK89 is respawned at other end of map
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18:56:34  <JohnUK89> :-D
18:56:42  <Born_Acorn> oi peter1138, you did a ":(", too!
18:56:43  <SpComb> yay Zavior is gone :D
18:56:52  * JohnUK89 can see im typing the +b now :P
18:56:56  <JohnUK89> hm*
18:56:58  <JohnUK89> him*
18:57:26  * Bjarni animates JohnUK89
18:57:29  <peter1138> Born_Acorn: i what?
18:57:32  <JohnUK89> :)
18:57:43  <Bjarni> so now there is not any problems in you being here even though I killed you
18:57:59  <JohnUK89> Bjarni, thankyou, milord :P
18:58:05  <Bjarni> and now I got complete control over you, so you can't harm me
18:58:11  <Bjarni> not that you could do that anyway
18:58:31  <peter1138> Tron: there is, however, the case of going along the top or bottom of a steep slope that isn't allowed :(
18:58:40  <Born_Acorn> (16:51:31) <Born_Acorn> hmm. Unfortuantely, you can only build up and down the steep slopes, not along the top
18:58:40  <Tron> i know
18:58:42  <Born_Acorn> (16:52:44) <peter1138> :(
18:58:54  <Born_Acorn> See!
18:58:56  <Tron> this is a bit more tricky
18:58:59  <peter1138> will you be... rectifying?
18:58:59  <peter1138> ahh
18:59:09  <peter1138> Born_Acorn: shut up and go and change your armour
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18:59:23  <Born_Acorn> eh?
18:59:30  * JohnUK89 breaks from Bjarni's grip :-D
18:59:41  <Bjarni> JohnUK89: you can't
18:59:46  <Bjarni> it will kill you :D
19:00:04  <JohnUK89> I can soon respawn ;-)
19:00:08  <Bjarni> no
19:00:20  <Tron> peter1138: this would result in slope forms which are not supported so far
19:00:54  <Tron> peter1138: if you place a rail at the lower part of a steep slope the correct result is a tile with just one corner raised
19:00:59  <peter1138> ah, i see
19:01:17  <Tron> atm just even an inclined slopes have appropriate graphics
19:01:28  <Tron> even now i had to do some hand waving
19:01:45  <Tron> i draw two foundations sprites for a steep tile
19:01:55  <peter1138> yeah
19:02:06  <Tron> for the other combinations i would need up to three
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19:02:23  <peter1138> hmm, for the lower part, it would just be the same piece as if the top part wasn't there, i think
19:02:33  <peter1138> but for the upper part, it would need 3 foundation sprites
19:02:34  <Tron> also i'm not sure about the internal encoding
19:02:37  <peter1138> i think
19:02:48  <Tron> the inclined slopes for steep tiles where straight forward
19:03:15  <peter1138> but still, cool :)
19:03:18  <Bjarni> <Tron>	i draw two foundations sprites for a steep tile <-- don't you think it would be better to get more sprites instead?
19:03:30  <Tron> yes, lower part is a bit easier, but i also have to work out a sensible encoding
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19:04:04  <Tron> Bjarni: maybe yes, but atm the internal encoding fits perfectly
19:04:14  <Tron> (look at the change in landscape.c)
19:04:36  <Tron> but it would probably look better
19:05:08  <Tron> especially in the arctic climate the current look is suboptimal because of the shading of the foundations
19:05:59  <peter1138> hmm
19:05:59  <Bjarni> sprites can always be drawn. The issue is the code. It can always be made better looking later
19:06:23  <peter1138> hmm
19:06:28  <peter1138> oops
19:06:30  <peter1138> duplication :/
19:06:39  <CIA-5> tron * r5837 /branches/bridge/ (73 files in 8 dirs): Sync with trunk up to 5836
19:06:52  <peter1138> i wonder if the ttdp trkfoundw stuff has extra sprites for it, or if it just draws multiple sprites
19:07:03  <hylje> check?
19:07:11  <peter1138> cba atm ;p
19:07:15  * peter1138 -> home
19:07:45  <Tron> Bjarni: of course i could write it as one big switch with about three dozen cases, but that's not exactly what i want to do
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19:11:33  <SpComb> "It can always be made better looking later" <-- later = never
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19:13:36  <hylje> that is true in private projects
19:13:56  <hylje> in public projects there are no real deadlines and no need to make sellable features
19:16:38  <Bjarni> <SpComb>	"It can always be made better looking later" <-- later = never <-- not really. We just make it ugly and then somebody will show up and say "I thought it looked ugly, so I made this to make it look nicer"
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19:25:01  <JohnUK89> Damn GPRS
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19:35:36  <Tron> *fiddle*
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19:44:54  <SpComb> crossing bridges!
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19:49:19  <McWayne> Hi, any1 knows the console command to turn off autosave on dedicated server?
19:49:27  <McWayne> or to set it so autosave at 6 months`
19:49:28  <McWayne> ?
19:51:22  <McWayne> *throws a flashbang grenade into channel* ^^
19:54:06  * SpComb exunts the channel
19:56:28  <hylje> ka-tsunk
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19:58:39  <SpComb> jonty-comp: run away!
19:58:46  * jonty-comp runs away
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19:59:15  <McWayne> Hi, any1 knows the console command to turn off autosave on dedicated server?
19:59:16  <McWayne> -_-
20:00:07  <lordpaavo> config
20:00:13  <hylje> isnt it a setting in openttd.cfg
20:00:17  <lordpaavo> yup
20:00:23  <lordpaavo> autosave = off or something
20:01:01  <McWayne> on a running server you cant set off?
20:01:23  <lordpaavo> not sure
20:04:14  <McWayne> server guy means that it is already in config but it saves every month
20:04:53  <lordpaavo> hmmph, it shouldnt
20:05:22  <McWayne> could it be that the command is saved in a savegame before?
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20:05:37  <McWayne> we already played some hour and then we wanted to turn it off
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20:06:46  <ericg> latest miniin still have broken transfers?
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20:17:11  <McWayne> no further ideas? :/
20:19:37  <lordpaavo> not sure if is it possible to change in that game
20:19:52  <lordpaavo> cos new config is only loaded when new map is started
20:20:10  <lordpaavo> but if its possible to change via console, then it works, but at least i dont know how
20:23:06  <McWayne> mh
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20:29:44  <ericg> any idea why longvehicles (v1 or v2) isn't working with miniin 5722?
20:30:08  <ericg> the uk hov set works fine
20:30:09  <Bjarni> McWayne: check command.c to see all available commands
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20:36:15  <McWayne> kk
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21:07:36  <JohnUK89> Ello :)
21:07:41  <hylje> ih
21:07:56  <JohnUK89> hylje: ello
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21:34:22  <RichK67> ping Maedhros
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21:36:36  <mikk36> * Ping reply from Maedhros: 0.94 second(s)
21:36:37  <mikk36> * Ping reply from RichK67: 0.87 second(s)
21:36:44  <mikk36> :/
21:38:06  <JohnUK89> try pinging me :P
21:38:13  <hylje> pingflood
21:39:04  <glx> JohnUK89: 1 sec 81 msec
21:39:17  <mikk36> * Ping reply from JohnUK89: 1.73 second(s)
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21:44:05  <RichK67> hi sacro
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21:44:55  <Sacro> hey RichK67
21:46:09  <RichK67> i cant replicate your disconnect
21:46:32  <Sacro> Maedhros has
21:46:44  <Sacro> apparently its due to drag and drop land buying
21:47:23  <RichK67> well - i have full SVN and i cant get it to disconnect when i try to build with a train in the way
21:47:45  <Sacro> ooh, ill see if i can build whilst paused
21:47:55  <Sacro> or it was mentioned it could be due to pbs bit sharing
21:48:57  <RichK67> the save that expresso uploaded does seem sensitive to the dragdrop - but there is *nothing* in that code that should cause it
21:49:37  <RichK67> i have got an interesting screenie of a problem station tile in that game tho... swaps from station tile to road tile!!
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21:51:09  <ericg> lol ;(
21:51:35  <Sacro> RichK67: your going to love this
21:52:40  <Sacro> RichK67: new save posted, DONT unpause it...
21:53:39  <Sacro> RichK67: ping
21:53:46  <Sacro> Maedhros: ping
21:53:55  <lws1984> PONG!
21:53:57  <RichK67> ok
21:53:59  <RichK67> what
21:54:31  <Sacro> RichK67: ive done it using build whilst paused, it seems that the track gets deleted and road placed
21:54:33  <RichK67> try this for size:
21:54:39  <Sacro> which obviously causes the trains to derail
21:55:30  <Sacro> lws1984: yes you do pong
21:55:37  <Sacro> RichK67: ooh, strange
21:55:40  <lws1984> :p
21:57:23  <Sacro> 4kx4k maps...
21:57:32  <hylje> too small
21:58:13  <hylje> i want a 16kx16k map, increase the company/player limit to liek 40, slow down day length
21:58:16  <Sacro> 16kx16x?
21:58:21  <hylje> openttd "m"mo!
21:58:23  <Sacro> hylje: yes, now that'd be nice
21:58:31  <Sacro> online, game lasting a month
21:58:51  <Sacro> no pause with no clients
21:59:13  <hylje> id say that 24h would be one year in there
21:59:32  <Sacro> errm, with 32x daylength
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21:59:48  <hylje> so basically a game from 1920 to 2051 takes like half a year?
22:00:00  <Sacro> i dont think any of my games have surpassed a month!
22:00:38  <ericg> the sets i've been trying to use lately
22:00:42  <RichK67> btw - i still cant get diagkiller to blow... seems ok to me
22:00:42  <ericg> have nothing for 1920 ;d
22:00:51  <hylje> ukrs has plenty
22:01:26  <RichK67> rephrase that - oh yes i can :)
22:01:43  <ericg> ukrs must be broken then
22:01:49  <ericg> cause i can't build locos
22:02:00  <hylje> :/&
22:02:12  <Sacro> RichK67: hehe, borkeddiag explains all
22:02:30  <Sacro> ukrs starts in 22 i think
22:02:46  <Sacro> no, that was cos the server borked if you started in 1920
22:02:50  <ericg> oh
22:02:55  <ericg> i remember
22:03:00  <ericg> i had dbset
22:03:01  <ericg> not uk
22:03:04  * ericg slaps self
22:03:17  <ericg> however
22:03:27  * Sacro slaps lws1984
22:03:33  <ericg> i can't get longvehicles running
22:03:39  <ericg> i read v2 or older works with miniin
22:03:43  <ericg> this is not so
22:03:51  <Sacro> im not sure, never used longvehicles
22:04:11  <ericg> how soon until miniin does transfers properly? :(
22:04:20  <Sacro> dunno, cos trunk is broken too
22:04:27  <Sacro> think its mainly waiting for cargo packets
22:04:33  <Sacro> which is due for 0.6.0
22:04:40  <RichK67> when trunk gets fixed, miniin will be fixed :)
22:04:44  <ericg> :|
22:05:00  <Sacro> RichK67: if i had a look at the cargo packets branch, and got some stuff working, would you be interested?
22:05:13  <RichK67> you are welcome in the meantime to write a patch to "correct" transfers
22:05:27  <Sacro> hmm, yeah
22:05:31  <hylje> but rly,
22:05:35  <Sacro> im not quite sure how to correct them
22:05:46  <ericg> hylje: i know, i had dbset
22:05:48  <ericg> i forgot
22:06:03  <hylje> yeh but i was so slow in processing that pic
22:06:07  <ericg> lol
22:06:24  <RichK67> sacro: not really, i dont thing cargo packets is a good idea - i dont want to have the cargo dictating where i have to run trains... and end up chasing packets like a never ending stream of subsidies :(
22:07:43  <hylje> :/
22:07:46  <ericg> the heck are cargo packets
22:07:51  <hylje> with passengers it can be useful
22:07:53  <Sacro> RichK67: theres 3 different levels of cargo packeting
22:08:21  <Sacro> on its most basic level, a cargo knows where it originated from, and hence can be transferred and it still knows its birthplace
22:08:53  <Sacro> ericg: each peace of cargo has some information such as start location, and possibly end location
22:09:07  <Sacro> can allow things like specific destinations, proper transfers
22:09:53  <ericg> ah
22:10:02  <ericg> so more like how railroad tycoon 3 handled things like passengers
22:10:07  <ericg> they had a specific destination in mind
22:10:29  <hylje> and possibly later you could have limits on how much you could, say, dump goods on a town
22:10:36  <ericg> yeah
22:10:40  <ericg> supply and demand
22:11:13  <hylje> so if you throw 2000 crates of goods at a 500-pop town a month..
22:11:22  <hylje> they get fed up with those crates eventually
22:11:24  <ericg> a lot of it turns into surplus
22:11:25  <ericg> yeah
22:11:35  <ericg> rrt3 used that to dictate pricing
22:11:47  <ericg> a town with 40 loads of livestock doesn't really need any more livestock
22:11:49  <ericg> and won't pay as much for it
22:12:20  <hylje> funny when you think about it
22:12:27  <hylje> one livestock makes one crate of goods
22:12:33  <hylje> one ton of steel makes one crate of goods
22:12:48  <Sacro> hylje: no, supply and demand is in newindustries
22:13:00  <hylje> ohh nice
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22:13:31  <hylje> supply and demand would force coopers to make really crazy goods distribution systems
22:13:44  <Sacro> but you could maybe have passengers wanting to go to the coast in summer, and ski slopes in winter
22:13:53  <hylje> hehe
22:13:57  <Sacro> hylje: that'd be more interesting
22:14:05  <hylje> yeah
22:14:16  <RichK67> it would have to be optional... and i for one would turn it off!
22:14:20  <hylje> but with those coast-ski stuff, would an industry be "it" ?
22:14:56  <hylje> like, a ski center takes passengers, gives out passengers 1-2 weeks later
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22:15:48  <ln->
22:16:08  <hylje> how cute
22:17:11  <hylje> cargo packets would also make buses relevant
22:17:51  <hylje> since most of the traffic would go between major hubs and between hubs and towns
22:18:02  <hylje> not all towns can be arsed to have a train station
22:18:36  * ericg stabs transfers
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22:19:16  <RichK67> sacro: this may have something to do with the dragdrop...
22:19:20  <RichK67> enum { // max 32 - 4 = 28 types
22:19:20  <RichK67>      GUI_PlaceProc_DemolishArea    = 0 << 4,
22:19:20  <RichK67>      GUI_PlaceProc_LevelArea       = 1 << 4,
22:19:20  <RichK67>      GUI_PlaceProc_DesertArea      = 2 << 4,
22:19:20  <RichK67>      GUI_PlaceProc_WaterArea       = 3 << 4,
22:19:21  <RichK67>      GUI_PlaceProc_ConvertRailArea = 4 << 4,
22:19:23  <RichK67>      GUI_PlaceProc_RockyArea       = 5 << 4,
22:19:25  <RichK67>      GUI_PlaceProc_Copy            = 6 << 4,
22:19:26  <hylje> magic?
22:19:27  <RichK67>      GUI_PlaceProc_BuyLand         = 7 << 4,
22:19:53  <RichK67> the max comment at the top says max 28
22:19:54  <Sacro> :|
22:20:12  <RichK67> but wolf has gone and used the extra 4 ...
22:20:24  <RichK67> which no doubt overflows into something else
22:20:53  <RichK67> im going to temporarily change it and see if it fixes it
22:21:25  <Sacro> :|
22:21:37  <glx> RichK67: the 28 limit is not reached I think
22:21:43  <Sacro> PBS was posed as a culprit too
22:22:25  <RichK67> 7 shifted by 4... ah... no thats more.... 7 << 2 == 28
22:22:50  <glx> hmm I need to write binary on paper :)
22:24:44  <RichK67> otherwise, i cannot see at all how dragdrop can possibly interfere - none of it is active until you use the gui
22:27:07  <RichK67> ah HA!!
22:27:17  <RichK67> just noticed this in the diff
22:27:19  <RichK67> -     if (!EnsureNoVehicle(tile)) return CMD_ERROR;
22:27:19  <RichK67> +// START DRAG CODE
22:27:33  <RichK67> he has removed a EnsureNoVehicle check
22:27:52  <glx> those are often important
22:27:58  <hylje> so you can remove track from under a train
22:28:04  <RichK67> so maybe what happens is the level crossing code "buys" the tile
22:28:57  <RichK67> ok - ill restore the line
22:30:01  <RichK67> ah - he has moved the check deeper into his code... its still there, just not at top
22:33:50  <Maedhros> RichK67: Sacro pong
22:34:04  <Sacro> Maedhros: ping
22:34:20  <JohnUK89> What's that smell?
22:34:33  <ericg> i've always wondered who wrote the competitor AI
22:34:35  <Sacro> RichK67: i could have told you that :)
22:34:37  <ericg> and why it's so retarded
22:35:10  <Sacro> !summon Wolf01
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22:36:40  <RichK67> bingo - thats sorted it :)
22:37:24  <RichK67> it needs to check if the first tile of the clear is occupied
22:38:01  <RichK67> hence the problem on that station tile in the game i posted the screenie of.... it had a train in the platform before
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22:46:40  <CIA-5> richk * r5838 /branches/MiniIN/clear_cmd.c: [MiniIN]: [DragDrop]: Fix. Nasty bug was allowing roads to be built on tiles with trains on. Restored original test in CmdPurchaseLandArea.
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22:51:39  <Maedhros> so i guess the diagonal crossing patch is exhonerated then? :)
22:52:12  <RichK67> oh yeah... the other savegame was the big clue
22:52:33  <RichK67> it replaced an occupied station tile with a road tile
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22:53:05  <RichK67> so that is nothing to do with diagonal crossings
22:53:10  <Maedhros> hehe, it was a very strange bug, anyway
22:53:54  <RichK67> sure - i wouldnt have guessed that the system bought the land tile using CmdPurchaseLandArea before placing a road...
22:54:45  <Maedhros> no, i wouldn't have thought it either, although i suppose it makes sense thinking about it now
22:55:05  <RichK67> there is some logic to it, but its a bit overzealous... and probably should be commented in the header of the routine that it is used in that way
22:56:36  <RichK67> anyway problem solved :)
22:57:54  <Maedhros> cool. good job finding it :)
22:59:43  <RichK67> i dont usually go bug hunting ... i only went for this one cos ive been tough with some of wolf's other patches, and i didnt want to have to pull this one... in the end, an understandable error
22:59:56  <Sacro> gah i hate IE
23:00:25  <JohnUK89> Sacro: why use it?
23:00:38  <JohnUK89> There are plenty of alternatives :)
23:01:16  <Sacro> JohnUK89: when your a web designer trying to go pro, you kinda need to support it
23:01:28  <JohnUK89> Sacro: aah okies :P
23:03:48  <Sacro> and IE6 doesnt support CSS fully
23:04:32  <JohnUK89> Lol
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23:06:01  <Triffid_Hunter> heh, IE6 has worse support for CSS than dillo, which doesn't support it at all...
23:06:28  <RichK67> yeah - i hate the way i get the page spacing just right in FF, and then its all borked in IE :(
23:08:55  <Triffid_Hunter> lol RichK67 what about how IE will only apply many attributes to particular elements.. that's actually worse than no css support at all, since a browser that ignores css will still correctly render properly written pages
23:09:12  <Sacro> it seems that ie doesnt support position: fixed
23:10:00  <Sacro> and linux goes off to windows update...
23:10:03  <Triffid_Hunter> Sacro: nope, and it doesn't support :hover on any tag but a, and it sometimes supports display: but sometimes doesn't
23:10:07  <RichK67> its position:absolute
23:10:26  <Triffid_Hunter> Sacro: <-- perfect example of nice css being clobbered by IE ;)
23:10:54  <Triffid_Hunter> RichK67: position: absolute and position: fixed are quite different things.. IE doesn't support the latter.
23:12:11  <RichK67> ah - ok... i tend to use absolute when i want to specify position - but sometimes relative
23:12:46  <Triffid_Hunter> RichK67: "fixed" positions the element relative to the viewport rather than the page so it doesn't move when you scroll
23:13:02  <Sacro> hmm, but i want it fixed
23:13:05  <RichK67> ok - yeah
23:16:29  <Sacro> have to use some clever CSS hacks to tell ie to use fixed, and anyone who cares to use absolute
23:16:58  <Triffid_Hunter> you need javascript to do it afaik
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23:18:40  <Sacro> Triffid_Hunter: no, i can use conditional comments
23:19:13  <RichK67> gotta go
23:19:14  <RichK67> gn
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23:31:26  <Sacro> right, ie6 works, now for ie5
23:31:52  * XeryusTC points out to a dev that maps are 2^n-1 big
23:35:29  <Sacro> XeryusTC: true
23:38:29  * JohnUK89 sighs, bored :(
23:40:21  <mikk36|lap> JohnUK89, life's too slow for ya ?
23:40:28  <mikk36|lap> on that mobile conn :P
23:40:58  <JohnUK89> mikk: yep! lol
23:41:38  <JohnUK89> I really REALLY want to move, so I can get DSL
23:44:19  <Sacro> hah
23:44:55  <JohnUK89> Sacro: I found out what Linux Format's DVD has on it
23:45:01  <Sacro> JohnUK89: nice one
23:45:30  <JohnUK89> Sacro: It has Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu, as well as some extra packages
23:45:54  <Sacro> is that what you want?
23:46:02  <JohnUK89> Yep, that would be brill :)
23:49:38  <Sacro> hmm, ill copy it tommorow and post it then
23:49:56  <JohnUK89> Cheers :-D
23:50:15  <JohnUK89> Should have me using Windows less (if the Bluetooth support is up to scratch)
23:51:00  <JohnUK89> Only real reason I use Windoze now is to get online
23:52:16  <JohnUK89> I can't say I play graphically intense games...only stuff like OTTD, so I have no real need for 3d Acceleration, and Linux has all the stuuff I'll need for me A2 courses
23:53:33  <JohnUK89> Just shove XMMS on there and I'll be flyin! :-D
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