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03:07:50  <CIA-5> belugas * r5839 /trunk/ship_gui.c:
03:07:50  <CIA-5> Fix : A ship in a depot must be stopped before allowed to be cloned.
03:07:50  <CIA-5> As this is standard behaviour for all other vehicle types...
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04:01:17  <CIA-5> belugas * r5840 /branches/XTDwidget/ (7 files):
04:01:17  <CIA-5> [XTDwidget] Finish converting hidden_state
04:01:17  <CIA-5> -Macros are back, by popular request. Little cleaning of unneeded code, too
04:01:17  <CIA-5> Just that it now needs macros.h to be included in windows.h
04:01:17  <CIA-5> -Added some comments
04:01:17  <CIA-5> -Moved a few Widget-Disable/Hidden from WE_PAINT to WE_CREATE,
04:01:19  <CIA-5> as they do not get used elsewhere.
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06:37:50  <Rubidium> Tron: the shadows of disaster vehicles have been broken by r5794; previously when the shadow's center was outside of the map, that position was seen as a MP_VOID tile (in FindLandscapeHeight). Now it asserts when calling GetTileType on the tile at the given position, which is much more than MapSize().
06:38:19  <Rubidium> So, do you think that is commitable?
06:39:07  <ln-> no dev will have time to read it through within the next 3 years.
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07:56:11  <Rubidium> ln-: I don't care; I have a fixed version of openttd and I do not get the bug reports and if I get them, I can say it is in trunk too, so it ain't my problem.
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07:56:40  <Rubidium> I only asked Tron specifically because his commit broke the shadows of the disaster vehicles.
07:58:29  <Bjarni> <-- you can download a google earth overlay on this page, that will show lightning strikes in the past hour
07:58:39  <Bjarni> so you will get some sort of live update on google earth
08:00:14  <peter1138> Bjarni: will read over it
08:00:19  <peter1138> it's not like he doesn't anything else
08:11:27  <peter1138> errr
08:11:28  <peter1138> -n't :P
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08:42:10  <Darkvater> morning
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08:44:25  <peter1138> mr dv
08:44:44  <Darkvater> peter1138: thank thee for z'he mail
08:44:55  <Darkvater> although you seem to have forgotten some words from it ;p
08:45:15  <Bjarni> hi Darkvater
08:47:16  <Rubidium> the shadows of disaster vehicles have been broken by r5794; previously when the shadow's center was outside of the map, that position was seen as a MP_VOID tile (in FindLandscapeHeight). Now it asserts when calling GetTileType on the tile at the given position, which is much more than MapSize().
08:47:24  <Rubidium> I've created a patch to fix it: do you think that it is commitable?
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08:54:02  <Rubidium> Darkvater: this is the bug that caused the crash that was posted by MacLir in the TGP test topic with that huge crash report
08:54:41  <Darkvater> Rubidium: does it change the behaviour to the outside?
08:55:47  <Rubidium> it shouldn't, as long as the outer edge of the world is a level 0
08:56:24  <Darkvater> and if it isn't? Would that work now, or is that broken as well?
08:57:09  <Darkvater> just curious
09:00:04  <Rubidium> as far as I'm aware, it should work properly when edges are not at level 0, but then you would get a jump near the southern corner as there is a drop from "whatever level" to 0, as you've got the MP_VOID tiles there
09:00:16  <Bjarni> <-- this one is gold. I told this guy to check DEBUG in Makefile.config and then he copy paste configure and can't really find the right line :P
09:01:17  <Zavior> Why do fat people always die in action movies?
09:02:09  <Bjarni> why do the hero always get the blonde girl?
09:02:24  <Zavior> iirc steven seagal never did
09:02:45  <Bjarni> and why do the hero in western movies always wear a white hat while the villains wears black hats
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09:03:01  <Bjarni> it's fiction, that's why ;)
09:03:36  <Bjarni> I'm wondering what to reply to that forum thing and then I noticed something about the poster
09:03:39  <Bjarni> Location: madcity wisconsin
09:03:47  <Bjarni> US citizen living in Mad City :D
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09:19:59  <Darkvater> Rubidium: if it works, which I cannot test, I'll say it is acceptable and can be added
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09:31:04  <Kjetil> Bjarni: Nearby were I live there is a place called Madland
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09:31:54  <orudge> Hello
09:32:43  <JohnUK89> orudge: ello
09:32:45  <Darkvater> orudge: ello
09:32:59  <Darkvater> orudge: got something for ya; please test if OS2 still compiles/works with HEAD
09:33:02  * orudge is on the train, having returned from a long and ardeous journey from Brazil
09:33:10  <orudge> Darkvater: OS/2 hasn't compiled since YAPF
09:33:14  <orudge> However, the GCC patch may help it
09:33:20  <orudge> (well, somebody ported it to GCC)
09:33:29  <orudge> so I'll look into it when I'm home
09:33:49  <peter1138> Darkvater: what words are missing?
09:37:31  <Darkvater> peter1138: I'd like to see it a little than this, mainly as I won't have a lot of
09:37:34  <Darkvater> time for the rest of this month, as I'm finally house moving!
09:37:50  <Darkvater> peter1138: I presume you wnated to say 'I'd like to see it a little *later* than...'
09:37:55  <Darkvater> but congrats on moving :D
09:37:58  <Darkvater> orudge: ok, great
09:41:23  <Darkvater> michi_cc: ping
09:42:15  <CIA-5> rubidium * r5841 /trunk/disaster_cmd.c: -Fix r5794: use the height of the edge of the map for shadows of disasters that are outside the map
09:45:06  <peter1138> oh
09:45:08  <peter1138> yes
09:45:09  <peter1138> :/
09:45:17  <peter1138> so yeah
09:45:19  <peter1138> i'm house moving
09:45:21  <Darkvater> moving in August?
09:45:25  <peter1138> then i have to get broadband installed
09:45:26  <peter1138> 18th, yeah
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09:45:36  <peter1138> mind you, my adsl's not working at the moment...
09:45:39  <Darkvater> sweet, one week :D
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09:47:00  <SpComb> OS/2? How silly
09:47:52  <orudge> :(
09:52:26  <Bjarni> hi orudge
09:52:37  <Bjarni> long time no see
09:53:10  * Bjarni decides to interrogate SpComb
09:53:20  <SpComb> OS/2 is silly!
09:53:26  <Bjarni> I can easily make him talk
09:53:28  <SpComb> Logs:
09:53:28  <Bjarni> !logs
09:53:30  <Bjarni> see
09:53:32  <SpComb> it's like windows, except it's not used
09:53:42  <Bjarni> no
09:53:43  <orudge> Bjarni: Been in Brazil, innit
09:53:47  <Bjarni> ahh
09:53:59  <Darkvater> sh how was brazil?
09:54:01  <peter1138> ah, you saw a brazillian people
09:54:15  <orudge> I did.
09:54:20  <Bjarni> <SpComb>	it's like windows, except it's not used <-- no, at least windows got a lot of software available
09:54:34  <orudge> Darkvater: Warm
09:54:34  <orudge> Quite nice though
09:54:34  <orudge> Shall post the pics later
09:59:59  <Bjarni> now that's something to look forward to
10:00:05  <Bjarni> (hopefully)
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10:11:49  <JohnUK89> Stoopid
10:12:15  * peter1138 yawns
10:12:41  <peter1138> argh, broken hub :(
10:12:45  <peter1138> usb hub, that is
10:13:04  <JohnUK89> Lol
10:17:54  <Bjarni> why lol?
10:18:31  <Bjarni> it's my experience that USB hubs are somewhat poor in quality
10:18:38  <JohnUK89> Because I say it far too often
10:18:49  <Bjarni> are you on something?
10:18:57  <JohnUK89> Nope
10:19:10  <Bjarni> that leaves one option
10:19:22  <Bjarni> you are gay in personality
10:19:24  * Bjarni hides
10:19:29  <JohnUK89> :o
10:19:35  <Bjarni> :P
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10:19:45  <Bjarni> gay = happy
10:19:54  <Bjarni> I presume you know your own language
10:19:55  <JohnUK89> I know :)
10:20:09  <JohnUK89> I was wondering which meaning you went
10:20:13  <JohnUK89> meant*
10:20:21  <Bjarni> that was the point
10:20:49  <Bjarni> in case you missed the point, I better help you
10:20:53  <Bjarni> . <-- the point
10:20:58  <JohnUK89> Hehe
10:20:58  <Bjarni> now you can't miss it
10:21:21  <JohnUK89> Indeed I can't
10:22:56  <JohnUK89> If you weren't sure, I'm a very strange example of the human species
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10:53:45  <Bjarni> <JohnUK89>	If you weren't sure, I'm a very strange example of the human species <-- we know
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10:54:15  <JohnUK89> :-D
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10:56:22  <Bjarni> JohnUK89: are you any good at coding C?
10:56:40  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: I can't code anything lol
10:56:55  <Bjarni> ...
10:57:09  <JohnUK89> ie I don't know any programming languages
10:57:24  <Bjarni> you better learn. I got a feeling that you can be good at it
10:58:22  <JohnUK89> May as well start learning :)
10:58:28  * JohnUK89 downloads MinGQ
10:58:30  <JohnUK89> GW*
10:58:32  <JohnUK89> LOL
10:58:41  <JohnUK89> I hate QWERTY
10:59:31  <hylje> gtfo my qwerty and go dvorak
11:00:01  <JohnUK89> hylje, I would if I could afford a Dvorak keyboard ;-)
11:00:01  <hylje> i know python to some extent, whats your policy about embedding python to do stuff
11:00:10  <hylje> get a Das Keyboard and be done with it
11:00:30  <JohnUK89> Lol they cost too much :P
11:00:35  <Maedhros> JohnUK89: just take your current keyboard apart and rearrange the keys :-P
11:00:58  <JohnUK89> Maefhros: I don't trust my skills enough lol
11:01:01  <JohnUK89> grrrr
11:01:05  <JohnUK89> too many typos
11:01:11  <hylje> its not hard, depends on your keyboard
11:01:26  <hylje> i can easily remove keys from my lappy and put them back without anyone noticing it
11:01:38  <hylje> but this stock HP keyboard otoh..
11:01:41  <JohnUK89> hylje: some old thing, it's 13 years old, I've had it for 10
11:02:12  <JohnUK89> REALLY clicky
11:02:18  <hylje> clickiness wins
11:02:28  <JohnUK89> Yep! I love clicky keyboards
11:03:00  <JohnUK89> Especially ones that feel like Atari kyboards, which this one kinda does
11:03:07  <JohnUK89> (I grew up on an Atari)
11:03:18  <hylje> :D
11:04:24  <JohnUK89> aha brb me dinners ready :)
11:05:17  <CIA-5> truelight * r5842 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ ( configure): [MakefileRewrite] -Add: some nicer errors in case things can't be found
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11:23:55  <JohnUK89> Back :)
11:27:37  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: you here?
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11:37:00  * JohnUK89 doesn't like not gaving DSL, MinGW is gonna take about an hour to download :-\
11:37:27  <JohnUK89> having*
11:38:11  <Eddi|zuHause> get skydsl?
11:39:22  <Bjarni> <JohnUK89>	Bjarni: you here? <-- no
11:39:52  <Bjarni> I figure that I have to give the right answer at the time the question was asked ;)
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11:41:49  <Gyas> hey all i have a question, what should i do excactly to get the right version for the sandbox server
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11:43:03  <JohnUK89> Bah
11:43:25  <JohnUK89> 23 minutes for binutils alone :-\
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11:56:00  <Gyas> if i look at "" i don't see any version like r5794, could i just download one of these?
11:56:17  <JohnUK89> Gyas, no, you need to have exactly the same version
11:56:33  <Gyas> any idea where to get it?
11:56:46  <JohnUK89> I'll have a look
11:56:56  <JohnUK89> What Operating System?
11:57:00  <Gyas> windows
11:57:35  <JohnUK89>
11:57:42  <Gyas> great thank you
11:58:07  <JohnUK89> No problem :)
12:00:42  <JohnUK89> Gah the MinQW install has borked :(
12:00:46  <JohnUK89> GW!!!
12:00:48  <JohnUK89> DAMNIT!
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13:19:10  <JohnUK89> Ello again :)
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13:48:02  <michi_cc> Darkvater: pong
13:48:15  <Darkvater> michi_cc: tt-forums, openttd problems, vs2005 topic
13:48:16  <michi_cc> sorry about that. fix:
13:48:22  <michi_cc> seen already :)
13:48:29  <Darkvater> michi_cc: the masm, or nasm64 file thingie. wrong path?
13:48:47  <michi_cc> wrong kind of file reference
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13:49:05  <michi_cc> it's a trivial fix
13:51:09  <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5843 /trunk/openttd_vs80.vcproj: Wrong path for masm64.rules in VS2005 project file (michi_cc)
13:51:09  <Darkvater> there
13:51:28  <Darkvater> michi_cc: I thought it was, but I can't edit it by hand if I don't have VS2005 installed
13:53:00  <michi_cc> I have that file where VS was searching, didn't think of checking before if it works without
13:55:19  <Darkvater> :)
13:55:40  <Darkvater> it probably comes installed with 64-bit support
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14:16:23  <CIA-5> truelight * r5844 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ ( configure): (log message trimmed)
14:16:23  <CIA-5> [MakefileRewrite] -Add: introduced a new way of dep-checking via the external programm 'makedepend'
14:16:23  <CIA-5>  - Much much much faster then the old way (1 sec for OpenTTD totally, really, no joke)
14:16:23  <CIA-5>  - Does all files at once (can't even do one file)
14:16:23  <CIA-5>  - Added code that it only recreates the dep-file if the source-file-list is changed, or if
14:16:27  <CIA-5>  a source-file or header-file is changed.
14:16:29  <CIA-5>  - Warning: it might be less correct then the GCC-way. Running 'make depend' always forces
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14:22:20  <CIA-5> truelight * r5845 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: independant of the OS, we use .o as object file, so force 'makedepend' to do the same
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14:26:53  <CIA-5> truelight * r5846 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: in GCC-dep-mode, include the .d of that file if you compile a single .o
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14:31:59  <CIA-5> truelight * r5847 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ [MakefileRewrite] -Cleanup: cleaned up the 'makedepend'-dep-check a bit
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14:58:42  <hylje> when ukrs gets goods wagons for maglev? :p
14:58:52  <hylje> or any wagons
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15:02:38  <Darkvater> maglev?
15:02:39  <Darkvater> lol
15:03:23  <JohnUK89> Maglev? What's that then? :P
15:04:15  <Guest56> dbset maglev is refittable to transport goods
15:05:25  <Guest56> with a maxspeed of 916 km/h^^
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15:06:27  <hylje> so there is none
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15:21:00  <peter1138> ukrs has goods wagons, iirc?
15:21:06  <peter1138> but not randomfreight
15:21:24  <glx> IIRC, it has passenger, mail and goods
15:24:27  <Guest56> iirc? :S
15:24:46  <glx> if I remember correctly
15:24:52  <Guest56> aah
15:27:43  <Guest56> never heard that before, thank you
15:29:16  <hylje> yeh
15:29:19  <hylje> no wagons tho
15:29:31  <hylje> just self-contained carrying vehicles
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16:13:17  * JohnUK89 yawns
16:19:36  <sayno> off topic question, is/was rammestien very popular in germany?
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16:27:58  <Eddi|zuHause2> yes
16:28:08  <Eddi|zuHause2> although it is Rammstein
16:28:12  <Guest56> i like rammstein
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16:34:03  <Wolf01> here
16:37:56  <sayno> Eddi: I think i ve listened to Sonne (Clawfinger T.K.O Remix) about 100 times this week
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16:42:06  <Wolf01> RichK67_wrk, i saw the bug about drag&drop in the forum, i'll try to fix it, but don't expect a quick fix as you merged a not-ready patch
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16:45:07  <RichK67_wrk> i fixed it
16:45:56  <RichK67_wrk> lol - and there i was thinking "id better upload something of wolf's... he's not happy about the other patch" :)
16:46:30  <Wolf01> the other patch has a bad bug
16:46:57  <RichK67_wrk> ah - ok
16:48:13  <Wolf01> do you remember the "i can link a track at the rear of the depot"
16:48:13  <Wolf01> ?
16:50:18  <Wolf01> i thought it was corrected for all track combinations, but who cared about link two different stations since it wasn't possible?
16:51:04  <Eddi|zuHause2> Wolf01: when 2 trains go head on with each other on those stations, they still crash
16:51:22  <Wolf01> no, not that
16:51:55  <Eddi|zuHause2> other than that, it might be an interaction with the subidiaries patch
16:52:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> i.e. track sharing
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16:52:30  <Wolf01>
16:52:32  <Wolf01> this
16:52:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> this has to consider different owners for the same signal block
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16:53:24  <Wolf01> yes but the track sharing must be possible only with subsidiaries
16:53:27  <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, i've seen that picture
16:53:33  <Dos> how can i submit the Crash Report if the Submit button is greyed out?
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16:53:39  <Wolf01>
16:53:43  <Wolf01> and this is the bug
16:53:51  <Eddi|zuHause2> Dos: go to
16:54:03  <Dos> \o/
16:54:08  <Wolf01> i'm red, blue is not my subsidiary
16:54:14  <Dos> it was the 1st crash on r5818-TGP
16:54:15  <Dos> :P
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16:55:52  <Eddi|zuHause2> Wolf01: yes, i understand what you mean... i was just giving a) a reason why this would still be good, and b) where the error might be
16:56:30  <Eddi|zuHause2> have you tried without the red station?
16:56:38  <Eddi|zuHause2> have you tried in trunk?
16:56:39  <Wolf01> ?
16:56:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> just a red track
16:56:50  <Eddi|zuHause2> not a red station
16:56:55  <Wolf01> uhm, not
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16:58:07  <Eddi|zuHause2> btw. miniin has an option to let ALL companies (not just subsidiaries) use your track
16:58:59  <Wolf01> maybe is that
16:59:25  <Wolf01> but as the screenshot shows
16:59:51  <Wolf01> the AI train is not able to enter the station if i put that track configuration
17:00:33  <Wolf01> due to the pathfinding i think
17:00:42  <Wolf01> which discards dead ends
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17:01:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> that's also interesting ;)
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17:01:37  <Eddi|zuHause2> i remember some bugs like that, when a track has no junctions...
17:01:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> have you tried with different pathfinders?
17:02:01  <Eddi|zuHause2> NTP/NPF/YAPF
17:02:40  <Wolf01> i'll try in a couple of minutes
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17:06:22  <Wolf01> oh, yes, the bug was due to the "allow track sharing for everyone"
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17:09:05  <Wolf01> but the AI trains aren't able to enter the station also if i disable that patch... the YAPF should be revisited
17:12:59  <Eddi|zuHause2> i have not seen KUDr around for a while...
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17:13:22  <Eddi|zuHause2> does it behave correctly with other PF?
17:13:49  <Eddi|zuHause2> maybe it's the subsidiaries' modifications to YAPF (there must be some)
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17:14:00  <Wolf01> yes, i didn't found strange behaviours
17:14:19  <Wolf01> apart the stupid old AI
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17:14:43  <Eddi|zuHause2> btw. if track sharing is on, then the signal showed correct behaviour, not bug ;)
17:16:14  <Wolf01> ah, the trains pass the station without stop at it
17:16:27  <Wolf01> (with track sharing)
17:16:50  <Eddi|zuHause2> you have to allow stopping separately, i think
17:18:08  <Wolf01> i disabled also station sharing
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17:19:48  <Eddi|zuHause2> Wolf01: check the YAPF code that determines platform lengths and stuff
17:20:07  <Eddi|zuHause2> and make sure it does not consider the "extended" platform through the other station
17:20:31  <Eddi|zuHause2> and don't you dare ask me where to find that ;)
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17:21:12  <Wolf01> i must wait for frostregen, he coded the patch, i only made the first weird version
17:21:39  <Eddi|zuHause2> that has not really anything to do with the patch itself
17:22:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's just a situation that was probably not considered while coding the yapf feature of platform lengths
17:22:52  <Wolf01> is not only yaps related
17:22:56  <Wolf01> *yapf
17:23:22  <Eddi|zuHause2> YAPF calculates the length of the platform the train is trying to go to, and adds penalties for too long/too short platforms
17:23:42  <Eddi|zuHause2> so long trains take long platforms, and short trains take short platforms (if available
17:23:57  <Wolf01> yes but also deactivating yapf the trains don't stop at stations
17:24:15  <Wolf01> seem they can't find the end of track
17:24:34  <Eddi|zuHause2> that might be related...
17:24:48  <Eddi|zuHause2> although at a different location
17:25:11  <Eddi|zuHause2> in the train controller, there also must be code that determines the end of the platform, so the train stops there
17:26:00  <Eddi|zuHause2> if that also consideres this "extended" platform, and says: "don't stop here yet", and at the next tile it says: "you are not allowed to stop here"
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17:36:53  <Dos> zzz
17:36:59  <Dos> another bug in r5818-TGP
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17:37:40  <Rubidium> and that is?
17:38:25  <Dos> u cant put land up on the corners where are signals
17:39:08  <glx> hmm not a TGP bug
17:40:45  <Rubidium> Dos: what do you mean with that?
17:41:04  <Dos> if you make the rails go like /
17:41:09  <Dos> and u put a signal on it
17:41:15  <Dos> u cant lower or higher the land near it
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17:45:08  <Dos> am i right?
17:45:12  <Rubidium> I can't reproduce it; do you have a screenie/savegame of it?
17:46:00  <Dos> 1 sec ill make a savegame :/
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17:46:43  <Dos> whats the cheat menu again?
17:47:09  <glx> ctrl-alt-c
17:48:37  <Dos> hmmmz now i can
17:48:40  <Dos> this is bs ^^
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18:11:32  <JohnUK89> Bah I can't learn stuff by reading :S
18:14:00  <JohnUK89> Reading sucks :P
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18:33:16  <Bjarni> JohnUK89: it's impossible to learn coding just by reading
18:33:27  <Bjarni> it's a learning by doing thing
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18:33:57  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: I know, but I like to to a little background reading first
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18:34:47  <Bjarni> JohnUK89: try this one
18:34:55  <Bjarni> it will get you started
18:35:06  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: okies, cheers :)
18:35:44  <Bjarni> I didn't bother to read all that stuff, but hello world is a good place to start and it looks decent
18:35:54  <Bjarni> and was one of the first to show up on google ;)
18:36:06  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: lol
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18:37:28  <Bjarni> the idea is to see how little is actually needed to start having an app running and then you got something, that can execute, you can add stuff to it when you read about it
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18:37:49  <Bjarni> well, at least that's how I see it
18:39:47  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: Okies, I'd best get started then :P
18:40:44  <Sacro> evening all
18:40:56  <JohnUK89> Sacro: evening
18:42:07  <ln-> orudge: what compiler were you using on OS/2?
18:42:54  <Darkvater> orudge was using watcom
18:42:57  <Darkvater> *shudder8
18:43:00  <Darkvater> *shudder*
18:43:00  <ln-> ok
18:43:10  <Darkvater> but fortunately it doesn't work anymore ;)
18:43:29  * ln- installed OpenWatcom just a moment ago..
18:44:04  <ln-> btw, IBM VisualAge C++ 4 for OS/2 is something very bizarre... it's a compiler that cannot be used for creating object files from individual source files.
18:44:24  <ln-> therefore it basically cannot be used with makefiles.
18:45:31  <Bjarni> lol
18:45:51  <Bjarni> then what?
18:46:07  <Bjarni> you type gcc -o openttd $(OBJS)
18:46:16  <Bjarni> or what?
18:46:35  <Darkvater> you need to get a stapler to put them together ;p
18:47:16  <Bjarni> sounds like a lame compiler
18:47:20  <Bjarni> and a waste of papir
18:47:49  <Bjarni> if you need to print all source files each time and scan them into a single file each time you compile
18:48:10  <ln-> VAC++ requires a sort of config file that describes the exe file, so that the compiler knows all the time what will be in the exe. and this is because of the support for incremental compiling.
18:52:31  <Sacro> cant you just cat the whole lot and shove that into gcc?
18:53:06  <orudge> [19:43:07] <Darkvater> but fortunately it doesn't work anymore ;) <-- unfortuantely so
18:53:11  <orudge> although it does work with 0.4.x
18:53:15  <orudge> but 0.5 will be compiled with gcc
18:53:43  <ln-> Sacro: VA C++ isn't gcc.
18:53:54  <Darkvater> orudge: that is the fortunate part. Every time I look at the watcom project file
18:54:01  <Darkvater> I get the urge to kill someone
18:54:05  <orudge> and you mention it ;)
18:54:22  <orudge> Metrowerks whatsitcompiler for classic Mac OS is quite a fun compiler, too
18:54:30  <Darkvater> plus that it's totally braindead (eg the maprewrite)
18:54:36  <orudge> paths have to be specified with : notation, it doesn't support half of what a modern C99 compiler does, etc
18:54:50  <orudge> so I soon gave up on Classic Mac suppory
19:00:41  <Sacro> hey orudge!
19:00:58  <orudge> Hello
19:01:05  <Sacro> nice to see you back on IRC
19:01:59  * orudge was on #tycoon and #thesinner now and then while in Brazil
19:02:02  <orudge> but not here, I'm afraid
19:02:03  <orudge> :p
19:02:37  <Sacro> does Brazil not get freenode?
19:03:39  <Noldo> you make it sound like it's a tv channel
19:04:11  <Sacro> Noldo: it feels like it at times
19:06:28  <orudge> Sacro: It does, but that would involve three web-based applets of sorts
19:06:31  <orudge> too much effort :p
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19:15:06  <JohnUK89> Sacro: wb @_
19:15:08  <JohnUK89> :)*
19:15:12  <Samie> hi
19:15:24  <JohnUK89> Samie: ello
19:15:28  <Sacro> JohnUK89: ta
19:15:32  <Sacro> my laptop is officially borked
19:15:37  <Sacro> Samie: hi there
19:15:42  * Brianetta reborks Sacro's portabox
19:15:49  <Sacro> Brianetta: you leave it alone
19:15:52  <JohnUK89> LOL
19:15:52  <Brianetta> (:
19:15:55  * valhallasw deborks Sacro's lappie
19:16:08  <Brianetta> It's down to borklevel 1 since valhallasw (:
19:16:13  <Sacro> cant wait for my open uni grant...
19:16:16  * valhallasw dedeborks Sacro's lappie
19:16:29  <Brianetta> borklevel 2?
19:16:32  <valhallasw> now Brianetta can bork it to bork level 0 \o/
19:16:33  <valhallasw> no, -1
19:16:37  <Brianetta> oh
19:16:45  <Brianetta> it's additive, not multiplicative
19:16:45  * JohnUK89 grabs Sacro's lappy and throws it out the window
19:16:47  <Sacro> Wolf01: PING :|
19:16:57  * Brianetta catches Sacro's laptop
19:17:02  <Brianetta> and spreads butter all over it
19:17:09  * valhallasw fries an egg on it
19:17:11  <Brianetta> Here, Sacro, hold this
19:17:12  <Sacro> peanut butter?
19:17:21  <valhallasw> calve peanut butter
19:17:22  * Sacro drops the slippery laptop :(
19:17:28  <JohnUK89> Sacro: whatever turns you on, I suppose
19:17:29  * valhallasw catches it
19:17:34  * valhallasw runs away
19:17:37  <valhallasw> catch me if you can >:)
19:17:46  <Sacro> JohnUK89: ill get her to give me a lift to yours and you can meet her :)
19:17:53  * JohnUK89 trips valhallasw up
19:18:01  * valhallasw flied
19:18:04  <valhallasw> flies*
19:18:15  <JohnUK89> Sacro: lol bit too soon for that ;-)
19:18:32  <Sacro> thats true, i aint asked her out yet
19:18:48  <JohnUK89> Sacro: lol
19:19:41  <JohnUK89> brb
19:20:54  <Sacro> OH WOW
19:21:22  <Wolf01> Sacro, pong
19:22:19  <Sacro> Wolf01: have you spoken to RichK?
19:22:49  <Sacro> Rexxie: your land buying patch?
19:23:02  <Sacro> no, i wanted re: you stupid client
19:23:35  * JohnUK89 is back
19:24:09  <Wolf01> Sacro, maybe, maybe not
19:24:25  <Sacro> it removes a check on one of the lines in the diff, which i discovered can cause a crash
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19:35:03  <CIA-5> truelight * r5848 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (5 files):
19:35:03  <CIA-5> [MakefileRewrite] -Add: copy language files to bin_dir
19:35:03  <CIA-5>  -Add: added source.list, where all source-files that needs to be compiled
19:35:03  <CIA-5>  are listed. This list supports #if UNIX and stuff to make a selection.
19:35:03  <CIA-5>  -Add: copy openttd executable to bin/
19:35:04  <CIA-5>  -Add: added 'make run' that starts openttd
19:35:06  <CIA-5>  -Fix: some random fixes. Now you can compile under *nix system, but without SDL ;) (so totally useless)
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19:35:55  <Sacro> ROFL
19:36:33  <hylje> yeh
19:36:41  <hylje> star wreck jokes on that all the time
19:37:00  <Sacro> hylje: i downloaded that ages ago, still aint watched it
19:37:11  <hylje> hehe
19:37:20  <hylje> they ran them all in big screen at asm06
19:38:02  <CIA-5> truelight * r5849 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: remove bin/openttd on clean too
19:38:02  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	OH WOW <-- LOL
19:38:16  <Bjarni> that's awesome
19:38:16  <Sacro> Bjarni: yes, i thought it was brilliant
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19:38:33  <Bjarni> specially if you could pick a starting location besides the default ones
19:39:02  <Sacro> yeah, could divebomb my hosue
19:39:23  <Bjarni> so you got the same idea as me?
19:39:26  <Bjarni> that's odd
19:39:40  <Bjarni> I wonder how many in here would divebomb your house
19:40:08  <Sacro> im so glad im not in a 19 story flat still
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19:40:13  <Bjarni> lol, now I moved faster than the transfers could handle
19:40:20  <Bjarni> I'm flying in white lands :D
19:40:31  <Sacro> hehe
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19:40:51  <Sacro> i used to have an Amiga racing game, and if you strayed off the track, you could cruise across your ram
19:41:43  <Born_Acorn> which revision was Tron's steep slope building addition made?
19:42:05  <Sacro> Born_Acorn: it wasnt long ago
19:42:07  <Born_Acorn> I've looked through my SVN digests, but I think I've deleted the one with it in
19:42:22  <Sacro> check the timeline
19:42:27  <Born_Acorn> linkage?
19:42:46  <Sacro> errm
19:42:51  <Sacro> i think
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19:43:49  <Born_Acorn> 5833 yay
19:45:12  * Born_Acorn has been doing lots and lots of wiki work again
19:45:21  <Bjarni> <-- LOL
19:45:28  <Sacro> i cant get the hang of wikicode
19:45:31  <Bjarni> that never happened where I go
19:45:45  <Bjarni> only the blue screen shows up once in a while
19:47:06  <Sacro> hehe, at college we where told it was impossible for students to get anything on the dispaly
19:47:23  <Sacro> the technician went out, came back and found a 10ft wide game of mario kart on the N64
19:54:18  <Bjarni> we once talked about going into an auditorium at uni when there was no lecture and hook up a computer to the projector
19:54:48  <Bjarni> would be cool for carmageddon, specially if we managed to make a LAN out of the 3 auditoriums in a row :D
19:54:53  <Bjarni> we never did that though
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19:55:43  <Bjarni> imagine coming into an auditorium to get a lecture and all you find is some guy playing carmageddon on a really big screen XD
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20:38:19  <hylje> :<
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20:56:54  <Gnarfoz> hi :)
20:57:14  <Brianetta> (: ho
20:57:39  <Gnarfoz> are there any known problems regarding dedicated servers (linux) with 5818-TGP? I can't seem to get mine to run
20:58:22  <glx> Gnarfoz: known and fixed
20:58:44  <Gnarfoz> so... I'll have to svn & compile? :)
20:58:54  <glx> yes
20:59:13  <Gnarfoz> alright :>
21:00:15  <Gnarfoz> but, will 5818-TGP clients (windows version, precompiled from, the one linked in the news post ;)) still be able to connect to the result of my compilation?
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21:17:08  <Rubidium> Gnarfoz: with some small modification you should be able to
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21:20:14  <Rubidium> "make RELEASE:=r5818-TGP" or something like that
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21:22:23  <Jack> Hey folks... just installed openttd on linux... which files are meant to go in gm dir?
21:22:38  <Tron> the gm files
21:22:44  <Jack> i have my dos ttdlx cd to hand, i've copied the data files
21:22:49  <Jack> Tron, lol... yeah which ones?
21:23:02  <Jack> Don't tell me I have to install the DOS ttdlx to get to the files?
21:23:04  <Kjetil> dos ttdlx doesn't work
21:23:08  <Tron> the dos version doesn't have any, so this question is pretty moot
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21:23:30  <Jack> Aha, right... i'll get me windows ttdlx disc then
21:23:43  <Tron> it's just the music
21:24:04  <Jack> so the data files I've already copied are ok then?
21:24:07  <Tron> if you can live without that the dos version works rather fine (modulo some minor graphical glitches)
21:24:11  <Jack> the game seems to run fine  - just no music
21:24:22  <Born_Acorn> I thought dosdummy.grf fixes those files?
21:24:28  <Tron> of course no music, the .gm files are just midi files
21:24:38  <Born_Acorn> *graphical glitches
21:24:42  <Tron> Born_Acorn: dosdummy adds 6 missing sprites
21:24:49  <Tron> it does nothing about the different palettes
21:24:52  <Born_Acorn> ah.
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21:25:35  <Gnarfoz> Rubidium: thanks, I'll try that
21:25:38  <Born_Acorn> A DOS palleted openttd.grf could be made and distributed. A "replace the normal with it if you have the DOS version" kind of thing.
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21:28:11  <Brianetta> Born_Acorn: SupCom Tycoon?
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21:28:31  <hylje> :D
21:28:33  <JohnUK89_> Sacro: wb lol connection problems?
21:28:34  <Born_Acorn> Perhaps!
21:28:41  <hylje> i want
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21:29:36  <JohnUK89_> There goes mine :P
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21:35:59  <Jack> Are you sure you wish to abandon this game and return to Unix?
21:36:03  <Jack> <classic>
21:36:20  *** Jack is now known as JackONeill
21:37:10  <JackONeill> Any chance OpenTTD has a nice PNG or XPM or some other kind of image for me to make a nice icon for it?>
21:37:31  <Born_Acorn> hmm. There's a media folder somewhere. Is it the source?
21:37:31  <MiHaMiX> JackONeill: yes, see the logo of the
21:37:47  <Darkvater>
21:38:02  <Born_Acorn> Where Darkvater linked to.
21:38:17  <Gnarfoz> hm
21:38:24  <JackONeill> fun! thanx Darkvater
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21:38:33  <Darkvater> np
21:38:41  <JackONeill> any chance of a better linux installer in future that does all this?
21:38:50  <Darkvater> don't look at me
21:38:58  <JackONeill> not meaning to be picky -- of course :P
21:39:04  <Gnarfoz> Rubidium: it works thus far, and I can see the server, too, no mismatch - but I'm stuck at 2/6 authorising after entering the server pw :\
21:39:19  <JohnUK89> JackONeill, if you fancy writing it, sure ;-)
21:39:39  <Rubidium> the server is still generating the map, I presume (hope)
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21:39:44  <JackONeill> I'm not there just yet with linux :
21:39:45  <glx> Gnarfoz: map size?
21:40:00  <Gnarfoz> uhm, checking
21:40:01  <JackONeill> I'm still waiting to be confortable enough to stick around long enough to be productive with it
21:40:17  <Gnarfoz> map_x & map_y, glx?
21:40:23  <glx> yes
21:40:27  <Gnarfoz> 10x10
21:40:29  <Gnarfoz> seems small
21:40:31  <Gnarfoz> :>
21:40:35  <glx> it's big
21:40:38  <Rubidium> is 1024x1024
21:40:40  <Gnarfoz> oh
21:40:42  <Gnarfoz> k
21:41:35  <mikk36> 10x10 means 2^10*2^10
21:41:41  <JackONeill>
21:41:47  <JackONeill> A damn fine logo if you ask me
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21:43:31  <Born_Acorn> It is.
21:43:44  <Born_Acorn> Some people want to change it! D:
21:43:45  <JohnUK89> Best logo ever, that :-D
21:44:17  <Gnarfoz> hm, even -d9 does not say anything about passwords
21:44:19  * orudge changes Born_Acorn
21:44:22  <JackONeill> It's orange! You can't touch orange
21:44:25  <Born_Acorn> :o
21:44:34  <Gnarfoz> I'll try without a password :>
21:44:58  <JackONeill> Can we have a version with a £ or (oh for fucks sake how to you get euro symbol on unix) as well?
21:45:16  <Darkvater> no
21:45:19  <JackONeill> :(
21:45:26  <Darkvater> look up the forums
21:45:27  <Gnarfoz> hm, works fine without the pw
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21:45:44  <Darkvater> we've decided a long time ago that the $ is used as an international symbol of money
21:45:45  <hylje> we need to get an Aqua-compliant logo too?
21:46:04  <Darkvater> however much I hate the dollar and love the euro it just doesn't look right
21:47:01  <Darkvater> and that was the consensus
21:47:49  <Born_Acorn> Heck, Chris Sawyer even chose the $, and the game was designed entirely in the UK by UK peeps.
21:48:09  <Born_Acorn> So I'd say the $ was an international symbol of money.
21:48:22  <Darkvater> still is
21:48:27  <glx> and it looks fine in a logo
21:48:32  <Darkvater> we'll reconisder when the petrodollar dies ;p
21:49:16  <Brianetta> It's an international symbol of a variable value
21:49:18  <orudge> In Brazil, they use R$ as their currency (real)
21:49:27  <orudge> Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc, all use $
21:49:36  <Born_Acorn> A lot of countries have a dollar!
21:49:39  <orudge> and cartoons always have bags full of "$$$"
21:49:40  <hylje> canadian tire "money" !
21:50:03  <hylje> you can pay your eBay stuff in that
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21:50:38  <Born_Acorn> Wikipedia; "The United States dollar is the world's most widely circulated currency." <-- I bet that's being caught up by the Euro
21:50:56  <Born_Acorn> Ah. <-- They all use "dollars"
21:51:04  <hylje> yeah since the US economy is currently fading and the euro is stable
21:51:12  <Darkvater> not until the oil is being traded in dollars
21:51:19  <Darkvater> s/until/as long as/
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21:54:12  <orudge> "Coins known as dollars were also in use in Scotland during the 17th century, and there is a claim that the use of the English word, and perhaps even the use of the coin, began at the University of St Andrews. "
21:54:22  <orudge> Indeed, some say that the dollar sign was invented here
21:54:32  <orudge> I know the very building it was meant to have been invented at!
21:56:05  <Darkvater> the loo ;p
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22:32:16  <JohnUK89> Sacro: connection problems?
22:33:00  <Sacro_> JohnUK89: my isp is a pile of steaming hairy pants
22:33:14  <Brianetta> and so is your laptop, IIRC
22:33:15  <JohnUK89> Sacro: I'll take that as a yes then ;-)
22:33:38  <JohnUK89> Brianetta, nope, that's a pile of smoking eggs
22:33:47  <Sacro_> yes, damn this city and its 1 isp
22:33:50  <Bjarni> you know, it's bad when you describe hardware as steaming
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22:34:13  <Brianetta> Helen went to bed...
22:34:14  <Sacro_> Bjarni: the ISP has been known to go offline due to a technician leaning on the off switch
22:34:18  <hylje> s/steaming/slashdotted/
22:34:20  <Brianetta> Well, she has college in th eam
22:34:21  <Brianetta> the am
22:34:26  <Brianetta> I just have a LUG meeting
22:34:33  <Bjarni> Sacro_: LOL
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22:35:19  <Sacro> i dont know when our next LUG meeting is, doubt im gonna go though
22:35:39  * JohnUK89 has never been to a LUG meeting lol
22:35:43  <JohnUK89> Wanna go to one though :)
22:35:49  <Bjarni> that reminds me of a type of EMU we got here. Some brilliant person decided to add extra buttons to the horn on the walls. I have seen one person leaning against those buttons twice in 5 minutes :P
22:35:59  <Sacro> JohnUK89: you should come over for the Hull one, Beverley one was a bit crap
22:36:27  <JohnUK89> Sacro: Hull's a bit of a stretch for me, really, incredibly isolated
22:36:28  <Sacro> Bjarni: ive been on some trains, and the emergancy stop button is above the toilet seat, and the flush is behind it ><
22:36:43  <Sacro> JohnUK89: Hull should be isolated... preferably by a lot of water
22:36:53  <JohnUK89> Sacro: LOL
22:37:08  <JohnUK89> Sacro: my mam comes from Hull :P
22:37:13  <Sacro> every time a women went to the toilet, she'd just haphazerdley push the button, and stop goes the train
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22:37:21  <Bjarni> what's wrong with Hull?
22:37:21  <Sacro> JohnUK89: so are my parents
22:37:28  <Sacro> Bjarni: dont...just dont...
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22:37:38  <Sacro> Bjarni: google im feeling lucky for "fuckwit"
22:37:44  <Sacro> he's from hulll
22:37:52  <JohnUK89> Sacro: doesn't make my opinion of the place any better's a turdhole :P
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22:38:00  <Bjarni> I see that Sacro is not a fan of Hull City :P
22:38:09  <Sacro> its number one for teenage pregnancies
22:38:14  <Bjarni> maybe you bet money on them to lose and they finally won :P
22:38:24  <Sacro> has the 3rd worst off postcode in the country
22:38:30  <JohnUK89> Sacro: funny that, me mam had me when she was in mid-30's
22:38:42  <Sacro> JohnUK89: i know grandparents that old
22:38:57  <JohnUK89> Yeah, wouldn't surprise me with that area
22:39:15  <Sacro> i know the UKs youngest mother, she was 10
22:39:23  <JohnUK89> Bloody ell
22:39:24  <Bjarni> a few months ago, a 12 year old girl in Germany gave birth
22:39:35  <Kjetil> thats just sick
22:39:40  <JohnUK89> It shouldn't be biologically possible for girls to have kids at 10...
22:39:46  <Bjarni> then the police showed up at her 17 year old boyfriend to have a talk
22:40:02  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: wouldn't blame them
22:40:21  <JohnUK89> It's a sick person that makes such a young girl pregnant
22:40:40  <Sacro> some girls want to become mothers though
22:40:40  <Bjarni> 	<JohnUK89>	It shouldn't be biologically possible for girls to have kids at 10... <-- the youngest person ever to give birth was 5. It was before DNA, so they never discovered who the father was
22:40:55  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: 5?!?!
22:41:01  <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah, i think shes been mentioned in this channel before
22:41:05  <JohnUK89> How the hell is that possible?
22:41:17  <Bjarni> some gene defect to mature abnormally fast
22:41:37  <JohnUK89> Must have been, there's no other way a 5 year old can become pregnant
22:41:45  <Sacro> ah, jeans >< now what was i supposed to do with them
22:41:57  <Bjarni> Sacro: wear them?
22:42:00  <hylje> kill it with fire
22:42:15  <Sacro> Bjarni:, must check washer, then dryer, cos i was sure i had to do something
22:42:17  <tokai|alternativ> JohnUK89: if u limit this statement on humans that is ;)
22:42:35  <Sacro> and 2 day old milk doesnt do your insides much good
22:42:36  <JohnUK89> tokai|alternativ: of course
22:42:45  <JohnUK89> Sacro: ewww :S
22:43:06  <Sacro> JohnUK89: s'ok, my brother got left home alone for a week, his milk had bits floating in it and he was still drinkig it
22:43:15  <Bjarni> now that's a statement that I presume is correct, even though I never tested it
22:43:19  <JohnUK89> Sacro: that's just disgusting
22:43:34  <Sacro> yeah, im known on here for having out of date stuff
22:43:40  <Sacro> Belugas will back that one up
22:43:41  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: I have, had food poisoning for 3 days
22:43:55  * Bjarni sets channel rule: Sacro is not to talk about eating/drinking gross stuff ever again
22:44:16  * JohnUK89 picks up from where Sacro has to leave off
22:44:27  <Bjarni> don't
22:44:28  <JohnUK89> I had some liver for me tea tonight, very nice :)
22:44:43  <Bjarni> yeah, sounds nice
22:44:56  <Bjarni> hmm
22:44:57  <Brianetta> I once complained to Helen that my sandwich tasted of mackerel when it was just a cheese sandwich
22:45:06  <Bjarni> liver and tea... I don't think I ever tried that combo
22:45:17  <Brianetta> Helen said, "You didn't put that bread on the top of the fridge, did you?  We had mackeral a week ago!"
22:45:22  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: tea is a phrase for dinner where I'm from
22:45:35  <Brianetta> and dinner is lunch
22:45:37  <Sacro> Brianetta: ouch
22:45:48  <Brianetta> Sacro: Was I ill?
22:45:50  <Sacro> JohnUK89: liver is gorgeous, as is kidney
22:45:52  <JohnUK89> Brianetta: yep :)
22:45:52  <Brianetta> Of course not.
22:46:07  <JohnUK89> Sacro: yeah, can't beat it
22:46:18  <Brianetta> My dad ate ants once
22:46:33  <Brianetta> They had got into the cupboard, and were eating the luncheon meayt
22:46:36  <JohnUK89> I tend to have both on the same plate, they're subtly different
22:46:36  <Sacro> my dad eats banana sandwiches
22:46:47  <Brianetta> he made a sandwich with it anyway.  he did flick a couple off.
22:46:48  <JohnUK89> Sacro: I quite like apple sandwiches
22:47:03  <Brianetta> They were running over his hands and wrists as he ate
22:47:18  <Sacro> Brianetta: thats disgusting
22:47:21  <Brianetta> Mind you, I once ate maggots
22:47:28  <Brianetta> they were stirred into the baked beans
22:47:29  <Bjarni> Brianetta: do you ever clean your fridge? :p
22:47:30  <Brianetta> I found out later
22:47:31  <JohnUK89> Brianetta: ewwww :S
22:47:40  <Brianetta> That's Scout camp for you
22:47:52  <Brianetta> Bjarni: Not the top
22:48:02  <Brianetta> I do spill the hot kettle on it, though
22:48:08  <Brianetta> because it's where the kettle lives
22:48:12  <JohnUK89> Brianetta: you should really clean it :)
22:48:23  <Brianetta> of wait, it's not the fridge, it's the tumble dryer
22:48:30  <Brianetta> The fridge is rather taller
22:48:39  <Brianetta> and the dead fridge used to be where the tumble dryer is
22:48:48  <Brianetta> You didn't want to see inside the dead fridge
22:48:57  <Brianetta> We only got it taken away to make room for the dryer
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22:49:13  <Bjarni> oh, that reminds me of when I was driving some English speaking people out to shop. They started talking about they needed to buy a kettle and thought "wtf do they need cattle for"
22:49:18  <Brianetta> Our current fridge (a firdge freezer) keeps getting warm
22:49:20  <Bjarni> I learned a new word that day :p
22:50:12  <Sacro> cattle are useful
22:50:22  <Bjarni> I think it was the funniest way to learn such a word XD
22:50:50  <Bjarni> ok, I kind of knew pretty fast that they would not go shopping for cattle in midtown, so it had to mean something else ;)
22:52:22  <Born_Acorn> <-- I have been busy
22:52:30  <Sacro> Bjarni: our town had a cattle market
22:52:42  <Sacro> in fact, go to hull and look at the women
22:52:59  <Born_Acorn> I've been working on the wiki all day!
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22:53:40  <Born_Acorn> Well, not all day, but non-stop since 7pm. It's nearly 12pm.
22:53:53  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	in fact, go to hull and look at the women <-- I'm not pedophile
22:54:16  <Sacro> Bjarni: well just look for grandparents then
22:54:17  <Bjarni> you just said that they are really young there and then you tell me to go there to find women
22:54:31  <Sacro> no, you go there to learn what to avoid
22:54:53  <Bjarni> I damn well know what to avoid even without being to such a place
22:55:13  <Bjarni> 30 year old grandparents for instance
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22:55:26  <Bjarni> hi Belugas_Gone
22:55:30  <Sacro> heh
22:55:39  <Belugas_Gone> hello guys
22:55:55  <Bjarni> Belugas_Gone: what's this all about?
22:55:56  <Bjarni> Fix : A ship in a depot must be stopped before allowed to be cloned.
22:55:56  <Bjarni> As this is standard behaviour for all other vehicle types...
22:56:43  <Bjarni> hmm
22:57:14  <Belugas_Gone> ?  you do not believe me?
22:57:34  <Bjarni> it's more like I fail to find the bug ;)
22:58:00  <Belugas_Gone> airplanes, trains and trucks are all checked for hangard AND stopped
22:58:03  <Belugas_Gone> not ships
22:58:12  * JohnUK89 decides on destination for next year's holiday
22:58:23  <Belugas_Gone> it may not be a BIG OH MY GOD BUG...  but in my book, it is
22:58:40  <Brianetta> /
22:58:41  <Brianetta> \
22:58:41  <Brianetta> /
22:58:42  <Brianetta> \
22:58:42  * Sacro imagines a 10ft tall cockroach...
22:58:48  <Sacro> Brianetta: |
22:59:07  <Brianetta> bite the bug
22:59:19  <Brianetta> Ever chewed a beetle?  They're really bitter
22:59:29  <Bjarni> I wouldn't know
22:59:29  * Belugas_Gone squished it hard :)
22:59:34  <Bjarni> I never ran out of food
23:00:03  <Sacro> and with bugs, you never will
23:00:19  <glx> full of proteins :)
23:00:20  <Brianetta> You don't have to be hungry to see what things taste like
23:01:14  <Brianetta> Worms
23:01:14  <Bjarni> Belugas_Gone: ahh, now I realise why. A ship will always leave the depot right away while the other vehicles can queue up, so the bug will even be displayed. It's just a code thing for something that will never be triggered. Well it's good to have it fixed if we ever do something about ship collisions
23:01:23  <Brianetta> Even if you clean a worm, it tastes of soil
23:01:47  <Bjarni> I just realised that if Brianetta was from Hull, then he would be a granddad by now. That would make Helen.... good thing you don't live in Hull ;)
23:02:01  <Brianetta> Why would I be a grandad?
23:02:10  <Bjarni> your age
23:02:14  <Brianetta> oh
23:02:20  <Brianetta> as old as a grandad
23:02:23  <Brianetta> I already am
23:02:53  <Bjarni> it seems that you would be one if you lived in Hull... at least according to statistics
23:03:11  <Brianetta> Kids at 15 would meake me easily a grandad
23:03:13  <Sacro> Bjarni: i am not statistically correct...
23:03:17  <Brianetta> kids at 16, not quite
23:03:26  <Brianetta> Hull is just a short train ride away
23:03:30  <Sacro> Brianetta: 2
23:03:48  <Sacro> change at York/Doncaster
23:04:01  <Brianetta> I still call a train ride a train ride if there's a change
23:04:05  <Brianetta> It's still just one ticket
23:04:34  <Sacro> i can get halfway accross europe on 1 ticket (eurostar)
23:04:58  <Bjarni> I can take a train ride to Sweden or Germany. That's not the same as I'm banging Swedes or Germans...
23:05:23  <Sacro> mmmmmmmm, swedish girls
23:08:46  <Kjetil> Bjarni: stop banging my swedes
23:08:50  <Bjarni> I saw some statistics about young men's sexual behaviour and one of the questions was about what girls of non Danish nationality they went to bed with. According to the result, it appears that Danes likes Swedish girls a lot.... the test was made in Copenhagen, which is like a 30 minutes train ride from Sweden, so maybe it's just a result of a whole lot more Swedes presents than say Dutch people
23:09:55  <Sacro> mmmmmmmmm swedish girls...
23:10:11  * Sacro prepares for a long swim
23:10:12  <Bjarni> what's so special about Swedish girls?
23:10:22  <Kjetil> They are blonde and stuff..
23:10:33  <Bjarni> ohh
23:10:34  <Sacro> Kjetil: yes...blonde and stuff
23:10:46  <Bjarni> they are blonds and got boobs and stuff like that
23:11:04  <Sacro> :o
23:11:05  <Bjarni> like that's not true for anybody else in Scandinavia XD
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23:11:09  <Sacro> maybe NFSW depending on settings...
23:11:25  <Kjetil> acctually is kind of wierd, last time I went to sweden the blond factor increased by 10 at the border
23:11:48  <Bjarni> they aren't blond... see
23:11:53  <Sacro> Kjetil: fleeing?
23:11:56  <Bjarni> there is nothing for you to get in Sweden
23:12:00  <Bjarni> you were mistaken
23:12:29  <Sacro> but look at her BREASTS :O
23:14:41  <Kjetil> Sacro: yeah :P
23:15:01  <Sacro> [00:14] <Sacro> but look at her BREASTS :O
23:15:01  <Sacro> [00:16] <Kjetil> Sacro: yeah :P <-- im disturbed by the 2 minute lag...
23:15:08  <Kjetil> haha
23:15:20  <Born_Acorn> he was busy oggling
23:15:30  <Bjarni> so you guys would chase those girls just due to how they look?
23:15:33  <Kjetil> I was reading a political discussion on another channel.. I swear to god !
23:15:42  <Bjarni> I got a secret about them to tell you
23:15:47  <Bjarni> they speak .... Swedish
23:15:58  <Kjetil> Bjarni: dang.. you had to ruin the magic
23:16:17  <Sacro> Bjarni: you havent heard the Hull accent, scars you for life
23:16:26  <Bjarni> <Kjetil>	I was reading a political discussion on another channel.. I swear to god ! <-- that's bad from a guy, who is only connected to one channel XD
23:17:01  <Bjarni> Sacro: well, I can imagine. Also they got a social welfare issue and low education, right?
23:17:04  <Sacro> hmm, just read "Wanted Bass Player", now is that for a band, or for a crime
23:17:11  <Sacro> Bjarni: spot on
23:17:17  <Kjetil> Bjarni: make that 16 :P ( EFnet )
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23:17:37  <Sacro> covers a fair bit
23:19:10  <Sacro> 'Ull is full of 'istory, in fact, many buildings which were bombed during the war still lay in ruins... its so true
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23:24:25  <Born_Acorn>
23:24:27  <Bjarni> well
23:24:28  <Born_Acorn> hmm
23:24:35  <Born_Acorn> OpenTTD on Xfire?
23:24:44  <Bjarni> I read 10% of it and could guess the rest
23:24:47  <Bjarni> I get the picture
23:25:09  <Bjarni> actually I got the picture just by reading 8) There is a special prize if you find a 12 year old virgin.
23:25:19  <Bjarni> the rest are just some spinoff
23:25:24  <Born_Acorn> They need people to support it in that thread.
23:25:27  <Born_Acorn> Go there people!
23:25:45  <Sacro> whats an Xfire
23:25:48  <Born_Acorn> It could be a source of players.
23:26:01  <Sacro> Bjarni: yes, 12 year old virgins arent easy to find
23:26:02  <Born_Acorn> Some sort of game monitoring system.
23:26:44  <Born_Acorn> It records how long and how many games you play. Like an inflatable e-penis for gamers, if you excuse the terminology.
23:27:03  * Sacro hits Born_Acorn over the head with an inflatable e-penis
23:27:21  <Born_Acorn> :o
23:27:38  <Sacro> just be glad you where facing me ;)
23:27:56  <Bjarni> [01:27] 	*	Sacro hits Born_Acorn over the head with an inflatable e-penis
23:27:56  <Bjarni> [01:27] 	<Born_Acorn>	:o
23:28:06  <Bjarni> somehow that face reaction scares me
23:28:07  <Sacro> [00:29] <Bjarni> [01:27]  * Sacro hits Born_Acorn over the head with an inflatable e-penis
23:28:07  <Sacro> [00:29] <Bjarni> [01:27]  <Born_Acorn> :o
23:28:30  <Born_Acorn> (00:29:16) <Sacro> [00:29] <Bjarni> [01:27]  * Sacro hits Born_Acorn over the head with an inflatable e-penis
23:28:30  <Born_Acorn> (00:29:16) <Sacro> [00:29] <Bjarni> [01:27]  <Born_Acorn> :o
23:28:32  <JohnUK89> Scares me too
23:28:33  * JohnUK89 runs
23:28:46  <Bjarni> unless the Janet Jones is actually the real name
23:28:51  <Sacro> JohnUK89: i know where you live ;)
23:28:57  <Bjarni> me too
23:29:00  <Bjarni> in the UK
23:29:02  <JohnUK89> Sacro: I know ;-)
23:29:22  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: he knows it a bit more accurately than that
23:29:24  <JohnUK89> lol
23:29:24  <Sacro> that reminds me, i have a dvd to burn
23:29:31  <Bjarni> ahh, Sacro mailed that virus DVD to JohnUK89
23:29:33  <Born_Acorn> I know where peter1138 lives!
23:29:34  <JohnUK89> Sacro: you do indeed :P
23:30:01  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: it's going to be put thru me AV scanner ;-)
23:30:35  <Bjarni> how will you detect a virus with an Audio/Video scanner?
23:30:43  * Sacro puts goatse on the civer
23:30:45  <Sacro> *cover
23:30:55  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: AntiVirus ;-)
23:31:01  <Bjarni> and the destop
23:31:04  <Bjarni> and the boot image
23:31:10  <Bjarni> and a whole lot of other places
23:31:14  <Bjarni> right?
23:32:00  <JohnUK89> Lol
23:32:05  <Sacro> Bjarni: hehe
23:32:10  * Sacro remembers Linuxxx
23:32:19  <JohnUK89> Sacro: did you get it sent off today, or will it be tomorrow?
23:32:34  <Sacro> JohnUK89: ill mail it tommorow
23:32:39  <Bjarni> that reminds me of a story I heard. A woman needed to borrow a notebook at work to do some work at home. When she booted it for the first time, it started a porn movie in fullscreen and it was uninterruptable and when it was done, a script deleted it
23:32:42  <JohnUK89> Sacro: okies, cheers :)
23:32:53  <Sacro> 7 hours and i can bundle in a free copy of OSX
23:32:53  <Bjarni> some guys looked a bit funny when she returned it
23:33:12  <JohnUK89> Sacro: may as well :-p
23:33:16  <Bjarni> a free copy of OSX???
23:33:25  <Sacro> for my Hackintosh
23:33:48  <JohnUK89> A shame my machine doesn't RUN OSX :p
23:33:59  <Sacro>
23:34:15  <JohnUK89> Does it care if it's an AMD? lol
23:34:21  <Bjarni> I'm told it's not that good compared to the real thing
23:34:37  <Bjarni> I mean, it should have a lot of issues
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23:35:03  <Bjarni> real OSX on a hardware mac is not only legal, it also runs out of the box without giving problems all the time
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23:35:18  <Bjarni> isn't that right mikk36?
23:35:36  <Sacro> JohnUK89: 10.4.6 doesnt
23:35:44  <mikk36> ?
23:35:54  <JohnUK89> Sacro: oooh, may be worth a try :-D
23:35:56  <Sacro> [00:37] <Bjarni> i like cheese
23:36:14  <Sacro> mikk36: ^^
23:36:19  <mikk36> and?
23:36:46  <Sacro> hes gone quiet
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23:38:44  <SpComb> Logs:
23:38:44  <Sacro> !logs
23:38:54  <Sacro> ok, so Bjarni doesnt like cheese :(
23:39:07  <JohnUK89> Sacro: is the version of OSX yer getting prepatched? O:-)
23:39:13  <Sacro> JohnUK89: course
23:39:27  <JohnUK89> Sacro: fancy bundling in a copy? :P
23:39:33  <mikk36> brb
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23:39:58  <Sacro> JohnUK89: hehe, the more cds you want, the more fun for you, i dont have a cd labeller :)
23:40:29  <JohnUK89> Sacro: lol I can work out what's on them, I have a few CDR pens
23:40:54  <Sacro> cool
23:41:02  <Sacro> well my bro is going out now, so i can use the dvd writer
23:41:08  <JohnUK89> Corny phrase time...
23:41:14  <JohnUK89> "How can I ever repay you" :P
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23:41:30  <Sacro> beer...
23:41:36  <JohnUK89> Lol
23:41:38  <Bjarni> send women
23:41:49  <JohnUK89> It'll have to wait till mid-September :(
23:41:57  <JohnUK89> Got no ££ till them
23:41:59  <JohnUK89> then*
23:42:10  <Sacro> ooh yes, york has some mighty fine lasses
23:42:19  <Bjarni> you get paid in the middle of the month?
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23:42:23  <Bjarni> what's what?
23:42:34  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: I get paid for going to Sixth Form
23:42:43  <JohnUK89> I don't start till September
23:42:59  <Sacro> damn EMA earners
23:43:07  <Bjarni> somebody is administrating your paycheques to divide them into equal paycheques each week or something?
23:43:15  <JohnUK89> Sacro: hehe
23:43:25  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: nah
23:43:29  <JohnUK89> I don't have a job
23:43:41  <Bjarni> Sixth Form? you are morphing into a new form?
23:43:57  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: think of Sixth Form as college
23:43:58  * Sacro scuttles upstairs
23:44:25  <Bjarni> you are morphing into a college???
23:44:33  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: noooo
23:44:36  <Bjarni> that will take some talent
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23:48:52  <Sacro> hehe, IRC over VNC
23:49:08  <JohnUK89> Sacro: I can't imagine it on my connection
23:49:25  <pv2b> Sacro: irc over SSH here
23:49:36  <Sacro> i wonder if my mum would notice if i installed Ubuntu on her pc
23:49:37  <pv2b> local hamburger place here has free wlan :-)
23:50:57  <Sacro> JohnUK89: so, i have ISOs for the Alternative and Live cds, or i could just copy the LXF disc
23:51:24  <JohnUK89> Sacro: I think the LXF disc would be better, it has Kubuntu and Xububtu as well
23:51:36  <Sacro> JohnUK89: and Mandrake One
23:51:56  <JohnUK89> Sacro: indeed lol
23:52:43  <Sacro> mm, linux looks sexy on a nice tft
23:53:02  <JohnUK89> Sacro: if I could get dual screen working it would be even sexier ;-)
23:53:14  <pv2b> Sacro: linux? twm or what?
23:53:15  <pv2b> :-)
23:53:20  <Sacro> i want a 3 screen PC, Vista, GNOME and OSX
23:53:28  <Sacro> pv2b: GNOME
23:53:33  <pv2b> aha.
23:53:38  <JohnUK89> Sacro: TripleHead2Go ;-)
23:53:51  <Sacro> id call it Cerberus
23:54:14  <JohnUK89> Hehehe
23:54:32  <JohnUK89> Get VMWare going on the Linux box :-D
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23:54:58  <Sacro> im trying to figure out Xen
23:55:14  <JohnUK89> Sacro: I've never tried
23:55:15  <JohnUK89> Lol
23:55:24  <Belugas_Gone> Bjarni : thanks for the explanation about ships and depot :)  I only found out while working on XTDwidget.  It was the only vehicle not having the same check for cloning/send to depot toggle :)
23:55:55  <Sacro> 1:30 on image making
23:56:16  <JohnUK89> Sacro: nice one :)
23:56:43  <Sacro> and i just discovered this whole house is rigged to 4 fuses
23:57:00  <JohnUK89> Sacro: only 4??
23:57:19  <JohnUK89> We have 8 trip switches here
23:57:40  <pv2b> i have 4 for my apartment which si about 23 m^2
23:58:07  <Sacro> well, there should be lights x 2, sockets x2, shower, oven, garage/shed
23:58:26  <Sacro> ooh, burning at 10x
23:58:44  <JohnUK89> Sacro: DVD speed?
23:59:01  <Sacro> JohnUK89: yes
23:59:08  <JohnUK89> Sacro: nice one! :)
23:59:24  <Sacro> its my mums pc, mine has no graphics card
23:59:28  <Sacro> or keyboard, or mosue
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23:59:38  <Sacro> 11.5x
23:59:38  <JohnUK89> Sacro: aah you VNC in
23:59:52  <Sacro> yep, im on my mums, VNC'd to my laptop

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