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00:00:12 <Ammler_pfuus> gute nacht everyone 00:01:03 <Sacro> ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH STUPID INTERNET EXPLORER AND YOUR DAMNED USELESS RENDERING 00:01:12 <Sacro> Ammler_pfuus: gute nacht 00:15:06 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:17:56 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 00:18:58 <XeryusTC> Sacro: throw it out the window 00:19:33 <JohnUK89> Oh Noes... 00:19:34 <Sacro> XeryusTC: i wish that people would just use Firefox 00:19:50 <Sacro> wtf, cpan is using sendmail 00:20:10 <JohnUK89> Sacro, Opera FTW 00:20:58 <GoneWacko> Opera ftl 00:21:03 <JohnUK89> :P 00:21:18 <Sacro> not opera 00:21:21 <GoneWacko> Opera beats IE and it has some nice features, but it also does things in a way that I just can't live with 00:21:22 <Sacro> OSS all the way 00:21:41 <JohnUK89> I prefer Opera lol it renders better :P 00:25:49 <Sacro> hmm 00:26:33 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC58AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:27:37 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org] 00:31:49 <Sacro> make scares me... 00:38:17 <Belugas_Gone> scares me make 00:38:22 <Belugas_Gone> heheh 00:38:33 <Belugas_Gone> not quite the same meaning ^_^ 00:41:39 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:44:34 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2CAF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:48:35 <Sacro> $me -> bed(); 00:48:37 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 00:48:41 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-196-148.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:51:32 *** dp-__ [~dp@p54B2E80E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:00:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-20-205.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:08:21 *** Ammler_pfuus [~Ammler@15.152.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:25:05 <CIA-2> belugas * r6082 /trunk/ (genworld_gui.c newgrf_cargo.h): 01:25:05 <CIA-2> -CodeChange : Remove the unneeded table/sprites.h include in newgrf_cargo.h. 01:25:05 <CIA-2> Set it in genworld_gui.c instead, as it is really needed 01:30:32 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2CAF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:56:42 *** Dred_furst [Dred.furst@82-37-135-45.cable.ubr01.telf.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:05:31 <Belugas_Gone> nice... svn does not wqnt to commit 02:05:47 <Belugas_Gone> looks like i've somehow ruined my entries :S 02:18:40 <grimrc1> I've got gui_hide command working; I've made gui_spawn boolean variable - how do I make it default to on? I don't see any other console variables given defaults 02:19:22 <grimrc1> they're VARDEFed, which is just extern usually I think 02:21:06 <grimrc1> I'm just going to try VARDEFing it on 02:23:39 <grimrc1> true even 02:24:08 <grimrc1> wow it's a bit of a buzz hacking openttd; first time 02:24:39 <Belugas_Gone> after a while, it tend to be a headache :S 02:24:57 <Belugas_Gone> going to bed 02:25:04 <grimrc1> gn 02:25:26 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:30:52 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 02:32:36 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:34:23 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-194-089.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! It was you wasn't it!?] 03:20:44 <grimrc1> does UndrawMouseCursor() work? 04:00:13 *** sayno [~sayno@c-24-9-79-69.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:02:17 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 04:02:26 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [] 04:20:12 *** Sjoerd- [~Sjoerd@ip54576152.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:24:10 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:35:10 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:45:12 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 04:57:35 *** sayno [~sayno@c-24-9-79-69.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 04:57:53 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 05:00:46 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75BE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:07:54 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7664A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:16:49 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has joined #openttd 05:30:44 *** NCarlson [~Admin@toronto-HSE-ppp4156577.sympatico.ca] has joined #openttd 05:32:13 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 05:32:19 *** NCarlson [~Admin@toronto-HSE-ppp4156577.sympatico.ca] has left #openttd [] 05:34:26 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [] 05:36:01 *** NCarlson [~Admin@toronto-HSE-ppp4156577.sympatico.ca] has joined #openttd 05:43:51 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 05:43:58 <MaulingMonkey> !seen Celestar 05:44:01 <_42_> MaulingMonkey, Celestar (~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de) was last seen quitting #openttd 14 hours 43 minutes ago (23.08. 15:00) stating "Quit: Lost terminal" after spending 2 hours 1 minute there. 05:55:56 *** NCarlson [~Admin@toronto-HSE-ppp4156577.sympatico.ca] has left #openttd [] 06:02:38 *** Guest56 [Gono@N757P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 06:08:04 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N906P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:10:59 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 06:21:23 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:37:25 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 06:37:31 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D07A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:41:56 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.146.23] has joined #openttd 06:50:08 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.146.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:21 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.146.23] has joined #openttd 07:06:01 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D07A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:09:35 *** robobed [~Leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:11:35 *** robobed [~Leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:11:35 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:11:59 <roboboy> hello 07:12:46 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:13:14 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D07A.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:13:43 <StarLite> celestar lost his terminal :P 07:14:12 <StarLite> how could you physically lose a terminal? ;) 07:20:03 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:21:11 * lws1984 knows where his terminal is at all times 07:21:18 <lws1984> it's always in my computer! 07:22:04 *** flydu [edgar@81.198.24.225] has joined #openttd 07:24:06 <flydu> where do I have to put the code from New airports patch 07:24:12 <flydu> ? 07:26:21 *** glx [~glx@AAubervilliers-152-1-54-49.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 07:26:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 07:26:31 <flydu> help? 07:28:48 <MaulingMonkey> wouldn't it be a .patch/.diff file? 07:29:26 <MaulingMonkey> If that's what you're refering to, one of the wonderful forum stickies covers this very topic. 07:29:29 <MaulingMonkey> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=21678 07:29:29 <flydu> patch 07:29:36 *** flydu [edgar@81.198.24.225] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 07:30:27 <blathijs> 09:14 < StarLite> how could you physically lose a terminal? ;) <-- That's the consequence of using 'virtual terminals' ;-) 07:31:25 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:31:26 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has joined #openttd 07:33:03 <MaulingMonkey> Well, if you're hunting around in a dump or something, maybe you lost track of where you put that old monochrome terminal that you wern't really sure if you wanted to trash. 07:36:45 *** kihlaptop [~kdjsak@glos-340-ac.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 07:41:30 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 07:47:31 *** donas [edward@81.198.24.225] has joined #openttd 07:48:07 <StarLite> reminds me of a quote on bash.org 07:48:07 <StarLite> <erno> hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is. 07:48:16 <roboboy> hello 07:48:22 <donas> vhere should I put a file with an ending .patch 07:48:55 <StarLite> use svn to merge the code to the source and compile it 07:49:09 * roboboy homework 07:49:19 *** roboboy is now known as robohomework 07:49:26 <donas> what is svn? 07:49:35 <StarLite> subversion 07:49:45 <donas> a programm? 07:50:01 <StarLite> do you know how to compile openttd? 07:50:15 <donas> no 07:50:30 <StarLite> better ask someone to do it for you then, I guess ;) 07:50:44 <donas> maybe in tt-forums is the topic about this? 07:50:47 <StarLite> or google for subversion & merge 07:50:54 <StarLite> buy visual studio [granted you work under windows] 07:51:03 <Tron> StarLite: it's not svn merge's job to eat diffs 07:51:05 <StarLite> and compile :) 07:51:25 <StarLite> hmzz, I thought svn could merge 07:51:42 <Tron> svn merge does not process diffs 07:51:46 <StarLite> ah 07:52:06 <donas> that means that I could finaly get those extra airports in my game 07:52:12 <Tron> it merges stuff _within_ a repo, read the book if you are interested in more details 07:54:48 <Maedhros> is anyone familiar with table/town_land.h? specifically, what does _house_more_flags do that _housetype_extra_flags doesn't, or vice-versa? 07:55:52 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: SLEEP!] 07:56:23 <Tron> grep for these in town_cmd.c 07:57:05 <Maedhros> i have - and as far as i can tell, _house_more_flags describes the size of the building, but that's also described by _housetype_extra_flags 07:57:32 <Maedhros> they just use different bits to do it 07:59:41 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 08:00:13 <blathijs> StarLite: In particular, you don't merge a diff or a patch, you _apply_ it 08:01:51 *** Ammler is now known as Ammler_working 08:04:03 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a6e.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:04:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:13:30 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 08:13:55 *** donas [edward@81.198.24.225] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 08:14:55 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: @Belugas_Gone, DaleStan, kihlaptop, Osai, @Bjarni, Prof_Frink, Faux, Tron 08:14:55 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 08:16:41 *** Netsplit over, joins: @Bjarni, kihlaptop, Osai, Prof_Frink, Tron, @Belugas_Gone, Faux 08:19:34 <CIA-2> miham * r6083 /trunk/lang/ (german.txt slovak.txt turkish.txt): 08:19:34 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-08-24 10:19:06 08:19:34 <CIA-2> german - 3 fixed, 1 changed by chu (4) 08:19:34 <CIA-2> slovak - 82 fixed, 2 changed by lengyel (84) 08:19:34 <CIA-2> turkish - 3 fixed by jnmbk (3) 08:33:48 *** RIchK_wrk|away [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:33:55 *** RIchK_wrk|away [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 08:34:03 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 08:34:15 <MeusH> hello 08:36:10 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3DEC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:37:06 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 08:37:26 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: @Belugas_Gone, kihlaptop, Osai, @Bjarni, Prof_Frink, Faux, Tron 08:39:12 *** Netsplit over, joins: @Bjarni, kihlaptop, Osai, Prof_Frink, @Belugas_Gone, Faux 08:39:35 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B35677.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 08:39:41 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a6e.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Server closed connection] 08:39:42 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B35677.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:40:03 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a6e.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:40:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:41:29 *** kihlaptop [~kdjsak@glos-340-ac.ntnu.no] has quit [Server closed connection] 08:43:39 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 08:47:09 *** orudge` [~orudge@host81-132-175-237.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:48:52 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:49:18 *** orudge [~orudge@host81-132-175-237.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:49:24 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Server closed connection] 08:49:31 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:49:42 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 08:49:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 08:51:03 *** hj3lmen [~rasmus@cpe.atm2-0-5378.0x50a00c22.arcnxx12.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:51:11 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:54:40 *** Faux [~faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Server closed connection] 08:54:44 *** Faux [~faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 09:00:47 <Osai> !stats 09:00:48 <_42_> Osai: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html 09:04:19 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 09:05:03 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 09:11:18 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:19:12 *** mikk36|lap [mikk36@pc164.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 09:28:56 *** Peach [~Peach@cpe.atm2-0-1111159.0x50c6a2e6.odnxx4.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:30:37 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D93E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:35:24 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D93E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35:45 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:37:31 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 09:38:59 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:40:52 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [] 09:41:00 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 09:54:45 <scia> hmm 09:54:56 <scia> my exit signals have turned into busses... 09:55:23 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 09:57:12 <Bjarni> heh 09:57:15 <Bjarni> screenshot? 09:57:42 <scia> I'm preparing one 09:57:53 <Bjarni> I have heard about missing (green) signals, but that they turned into busses and drove away... I never knew that before 10:00:38 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 10:01:20 <Jucciz> "my signals turned into busses and drove away" lol :DDDDD 10:01:23 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:01:26 <scia> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=484040#484040 10:01:29 <scia> there it is 10:02:34 <scia> they change direction when another signals stat comes :p 10:02:42 <Faux> Hehheheehe. 10:03:31 <scia> but they don't drive away :( 10:03:44 <Bjarni> looks like something went wrong in the sprite table 10:03:54 <Bjarni> when loading some newgrf files 10:04:11 <Bjarni> the busses took the spriteIDs from the signals or something like that 10:04:35 <Bjarni> nice set of busses btw :) 10:04:36 <Jucciz> or maybe the signals just got bored standing there for a long time 10:04:38 <scia> yes indeed 10:04:45 <scia> I restarted and it is alright 10:04:52 <scia> :) 10:04:56 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 10:05:02 <scia> makes a nice screeny though :D 10:06:16 *** glx is now known as glx|away 10:07:12 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:56 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:09:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:10:11 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Au reviour!] 10:11:37 <CIA-2> truelight * r6084 /trunk/yapf/unittest/unittest.dsp: -Fix r6073: if we removed MSVC6 support, then why is unittest.dsp still around... 10:13:29 <CIA-2> truelight * r6085 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (8 files in 2 dirs): 10:13:29 <CIA-2> [MakefileRewrite] -Move: moved unittest project files 10:13:29 <CIA-2> -Remove: removed MSVC6 support 10:17:04 *** Ammler_working is now known as Ammler_eating 10:20:03 <CIA-2> rubidium * r6086 /trunk/ (os2.c unix.c win32.c): -Fix: InteractiveRandom was not seeded properly resulting in the dedicated server always generating the same map. Thanks to the #openttdcoop team for detecting. 10:27:29 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:28:25 <Gonozal_VIII> [11:54:55] <scia> my exit signals have turned into busses... <-- had the same problem sometimes, save & load the game should fix it 10:28:49 <scia> indeed it did :) 10:29:34 <Gonozal_VIII> i had busses and planes for signals :-) 10:32:14 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:36:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:38:19 *** egladil [~egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:41:12 *** egladil [~egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 10:48:34 *** mikk36 [mikk36@pc164.host4.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:30 <CIA-2> peter1138 * r6087 /branches/utf8/ (91 files in 12 dirs): [utf8] - Sync with r5802:r5900 from trunk 10:49:43 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5AC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:51:00 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 10:52:26 <TrueLight> go peter1138, go peter1138 10:52:59 <Brianetta> Next commit is to fix all the merge bugs... 10:53:03 * Mucht|work claps his hands 10:54:01 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:00:59 <Eddi|zuHause> scia, Gonozal_VIII: using the DBSet? 11:01:13 <scia> yes 11:01:34 <scia> and pikkabirds busset 11:01:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i suspect there is something wonky with loading the custom signals from the DBSet 11:02:15 <Eddi|zuHause> because i had something similar also a while back, but it was after applying a patch, so i though that caused it 11:03:16 *** kihlaptop [~kdjsak@glos-340-ac.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 11:04:14 <Eddi|zuHause> next task would be: make it reproduceable 11:07:54 <scia> for me it was the first time it went wrong 11:08:09 <scia> and I already use it for a long time 11:08:23 <scia> so 1 in a 100 or so is not a big problem :p 11:08:49 <Eddi|zuHause> well... it might not be fatal, but it is still a bug ;) 11:09:10 <Eddi|zuHause> s/bug/unintentional feature 11:09:45 <scia> yes 11:09:56 <scia> but i have no idea how to reproduce it... 11:13:45 <CIA-2> truelight * r6088 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 11:13:45 <CIA-2> [MakefileRewrite] -Add: added -s (source) and -d (destination) to strgen (Darkvater) 11:13:45 <CIA-2> This allows you to run strgen from an other dir, without dirty tricks and hacks 11:13:45 <CIA-2> -Fix: changed Makefile stuff to reflect the above change. Much cleaner now ;) 11:13:45 <CIA-2> Tnx a lot Darkvater for this great work :) 11:15:02 *** Ammler_eating is now known as Ammler 11:17:22 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-209-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:17:38 <JohnUK89> Oh Noes... 11:18:15 <Sacro> que? 11:18:27 <JohnUK89> You're here :P 11:19:12 <Eddi|zuHause> this is getting old guys... 11:19:12 <Sacro> hmm 11:24:55 <JohnUK89> Yeah, it is 11:43:52 *** glx|away is now known as glx 11:46:29 *** hj3lmen [~rasmus@cpe.atm2-0-5378.0x50a00c22.arcnxx12.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:49 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:55:24 *** mikk36|lap [mikk36@pc164.host4.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:31 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5AC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:49 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-209-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:01:59 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 12:08:31 <CIA-2> truelight * r6089 /trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Backport r6088: added -s (source) and -d (destination) to strgen (Darkvater) 12:08:32 <TrueLight> someone needs to update the strgen MSVC project files 12:08:36 <TrueLight> adding string.c from the main dir to it 12:08:38 <TrueLight> I can't do that 12:09:16 <hylje> :o 12:12:12 <CIA-2> truelight * r6090 /branches/makefile_rewrite/Makefile.lang.in: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: language files should also go in objs/lang in order to hold infinite recompiles :) 12:13:00 * Mucht|work cancels his order of AMD64 5000+ 12:18:47 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.146.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:00 <OwenS> O.o why? 12:25:17 <OwenS> (Ping: Mucht|work) 12:25:36 <Mucht|work> re 12:25:51 <Mucht|work> because TrueLight optimizes the makefile ;-) 12:26:00 <TrueLight> :) 12:26:12 <OwenS> rofl 12:26:37 <OwenS> A dual core wouldn't help since GMake doesn't support parallel execution 12:26:51 <OwenS> You would need something like Sun DMake 12:27:53 <Patrick`> how does distcc work then? 12:28:01 <Patrick`> just tell it to use 2 threads on the same machine 12:28:07 <Patrick`> or am I confused 12:28:13 <OwenS> DistCC compiles the same file on more than one compuer doesn't it? 12:28:14 <TrueLight> OwenS: now that is something new.... I guess that I just then compile in a misterious way on a dualcode 12:28:21 <Patrick`> no. 12:28:25 <TrueLight> code = core 12:28:37 <Patrick`> distcc will paralellise compilation and farm out tasks to different machines 12:28:39 <OwenS> TrueLight: What do you mean? 12:28:40 <TrueLight> gmake support -j just fine 12:28:46 <TrueLight> which executes multiple commands at the same time 12:28:48 <OwenS> Really? :O 12:28:50 <Patrick`> soyou just do -j >= 2 12:28:58 <TrueLight> so before you talk, make sure you know your facts :) 12:29:06 * Mucht|work thinks about ordering an X2 3800 12:29:09 <OwenS> Ive never seen GMake be used that way 12:29:15 <TrueLight> OwenS: it is done _all_ the time 12:29:15 <Patrick`> distcc uses it that way. 12:29:22 <TrueLight> and for many years 12:29:30 <Brianetta> TrueLight: openttd.org (the domain) is yours, isn't it? 12:29:31 <Patrick`> you just put the hostnames of your distcc servers in a file then do -j 7 or something 12:29:36 <TrueLight> Patrick`: systems with multiple CPUs too :) 12:29:52 <Patrick`> yeah, but ... those are only commerical recently 12:29:53 <TrueLight> Brianetta: yes.. in fact, the domain itself it owned by ludde 12:29:57 <TrueLight> but I host DNS and shit 12:30:02 <TrueLight> Patrick`: true ;) 12:30:08 <Patrick`> owned by people, not rich people 12:30:25 <TrueLight> OwenS: run in any source: gmake -j4 12:30:45 <TrueLight> you don't need distcc to see that it works.. just not lovely if you don't have more CPUs to send the request to (either distcc ones or local ones) 12:32:02 <Brianetta> TrueLight: We were hoping to negotiate for a subdomain (: 12:33:45 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: -] 12:38:28 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:22 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has joined #openttd 12:40:13 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC793C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:35 *** Osai is now known as Osai^eat 12:45:03 <CIA-2> truelight * r6091 /branches/makefile_rewrite/projects/ (10 files): [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: adjusted MSVC 2003 and MSVC 2005 project files to work with this branch (Darkvater) 12:45:03 <TrueLight> someone around with MSVC 2003 or 2005? 12:45:08 <TrueLight> I have something to test :) 12:46:07 <CIA-2> truelight * r6092 /branches/makefile_rewrite/projects/ (5 files): [MakefileRewrite] -Add: added generate code for project files, based on source.list. Produces MSVC 2003 and MSVC 2005 project files 12:46:23 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 12:47:01 <Belugas> helo all 12:47:07 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:49:55 <StarLite> (14:29:03) Mucht|work thinks about ordering an X2 3800 « get a core2Duo , much faster :) 12:50:07 <Patrick`> bah 12:50:14 <Patrick`> core 2 duo can bite my shiny metal ass 12:50:16 <Mucht|work> StarLite: buying core 2 duo is like buying windows xp 12:50:22 <OwenS> Hehe 12:50:26 <StarLite> amd fan? ;) 12:50:29 <StarLite> or intel hater :P 12:50:29 <hylje> so.. pirate a core 2 due? 12:50:31 <hylje> duo* 12:50:33 <Patrick`> it might technicalld do the job, but you feel dirty. 12:50:37 <OwenS> hylje: ROFL 12:50:44 <Mucht|work> Intel is a company like Microsoft or H&M - why do you support this? 12:50:47 <StarLite> shiplift it ;) 12:50:51 <Bjarni> well, it depends on what you plan to do with it 12:50:52 <Patrick`> AMD is a company 12:51:01 <hylje> go to a shop dressed up as a pirate 12:51:03 <StarLite> Mucht|work, you know how big AMD is? :D 12:51:07 <hylje> or steal a chip from a ship 12:51:12 <Bjarni> a core duo is not the best choice if you plan on using singlethreaded apps 12:51:36 <OwenS> I would go for a fast single core any way over a pair of slow cores 12:51:39 <StarLite> you can hardly get single core top-of-the-line chips anymore Bjarni :P 12:51:42 <Mucht|work> StarLite: what has the size of a company to do with it? 12:51:51 <OwenS> It's a companies ethics 12:52:03 <StarLite> OwenS, I would if I could have gotten a 4,8Ghz chip for teh same prize :) 12:52:04 <Mucht|work> IBM is a hugeass company and a good example for positive company ethics 12:52:06 <StarLite> *price 12:52:14 <hylje> so.. buy POWER? 12:52:15 <OwenS> Personally, I do not condone Intels history (And probable continuial) of blackmail 12:52:16 <Patrick`> I thought intel's dual core chips used a shared L2 12:52:21 <Patrick`> which is an asstastically bad idea 12:52:26 <StarLite> nope Patrick` 12:52:26 <hylje> Patrick`: i think its 4MB per core 12:52:32 <Patrick`> bollocks it's 4 12:52:36 <Patrick`> that's itanium territory 12:52:36 <StarLite> 4 yeh 12:52:46 <hylje> well with the reasonable chips 12:52:54 <hylje> the cheapers dont have that but they dont count 12:52:58 <hylje> you buy amd if you want cheap 12:53:00 <Patrick`> is that megabytes or megabits? 12:53:04 <Patrick`> jesus 12:53:05 <StarLite> I was going to buy an X2, but the Core2Duo's are faster and cheaper.. so well :P 12:53:09 <StarLite> to hell wil company ethics 12:53:15 <StarLite> my wallet is more important to me :P 12:53:18 <Patrick`> that's actually as much L2 as a itanium 12:53:19 <OwenS> I wonder why people are insistant on sticking with x86? Heck, I view Apples moving to it a step backwards... 12:53:20 <hylje> company ethics != personal ethics 12:53:29 <hylje> Patrick`: itanium 2s have some 16MB of l2 12:53:43 <OwenS> 16MB? Their design must suck... 12:53:44 <Patrick`> according to wikipedia it's 2 megs of *share* l2 12:53:46 <Patrick`> and sharing is bad 12:53:50 <Patrick`> OwenS: absolutely 12:53:55 <Patrick`> OwenS: no out-of-order 12:54:01 <StarLite> not true for the core2duo Patrick` 12:54:02 <hylje> OwenS: because x86 is the most advanced thing we got right now 12:54:04 <Patrick`> so cache misses basically take several days to get over 12:54:12 <StarLite> E6600 has 2*2MB 12:54:24 <Patrick`> great, the L2 wars begin 12:54:24 <OwenS> hylje: I beleive SPARC, MIPS, PowerPC, POWER, Cell exist and are much more advanced 12:54:32 <Patrick`> how about we improve on the speeds of memory 12:54:41 <StarLite> nah, improve HD speeds 12:54:43 <hylje> OwenS: might have superior design but overall performance.. not really 12:54:54 <Bjarni> OwenS: the issue is that IBM got problems developing the PowerPC chips. Development of a chip is like a pipeline and IBM got a somewhat empty pipeline right now so sticking to them will be a slow choice next year 12:54:56 <StarLite> rather have a 5 times as fast HDD as 5 times as fsat ram atm 12:55:02 <Patrick`> there are 2 aspects to a technology. 1) how good it could theoretically become. 2) how good it is. 12:55:12 <Patrick`> x86 is shit on 1 but good on 2 12:55:19 <Patrick`> everything else is better on 1 but worse on 2 12:55:22 <Patrick`> so x86 wins otu 12:55:23 <OwenS> hylje: No, seriously, a SPARC preforms 2x the speed at 2x lower mHz and way lower power consumption 12:55:32 <Patrick`> arms are crazy as well 12:55:36 <Patrick`> 1 watt for the perf. of a P2 12:55:45 <OwenS> ARM? it's for embedded 12:55:45 <Bjarni> also the G5 got heat and power issues, hence no powerbook G5 12:55:54 <OwenS> True, G5 was a bit of a dead end 12:56:03 <OwenS> I wanna see what Freescale can do with their PowerPCs 12:56:23 <hylje> G5 is the P4 of IBM 12:56:25 <OwenS> Personally though, i'm backing SPARC as a good platform 12:56:42 <hylje> good platform yes 12:56:49 <StarLite> macs are lame anyways imho, but that is cus of their butt-ugly design and that mac O/S stuff.. I cannot get used to it.. 12:56:52 <OwenS> hylje: Indeed. IBM should go back to the G4 and work off from there... Except... Freescale made the G4 XD 12:56:54 <hylje> but currently you cant get the better chip on design alone 12:57:11 <hylje> StarLite: butt-ugly.. most people call them stylish 12:57:26 <hylje> i for one think that most manufacturers could learn a thing or two from apple's design div 12:57:33 <OwenS> The only reason there hasnt been a migration to a new platform is because everyone has a back-assward insistance on backwards compatability 12:57:48 <hylje> *cough* companies with shitty codebases *cough* 12:57:51 <StarLite> hylje, yeah, most people do.. 12:57:58 <Patrick`> so? 12:58:00 <StarLite> but the iPod.. c'mon .. how UGLY can you make a player... 12:58:06 <OwenS> Strangely enough, I like OSX' design but run my system with a CDE style :P 12:58:06 <Patrick`> ARM is the perfect example of what technology can do 12:58:13 <Patrick`> ten years ago the P2 was cutting edge 12:58:29 <hylje> ipod? ugly? you havent seen any other comparable music players? 12:58:30 <Patrick`> in 10 years time whatever ARM mutates into will beat the pants off an X2 12:58:41 <StarLite> most of em are ugly yeh hylje 12:58:47 <StarLite> but I love my iAudio M3 12:59:12 <hylje> you cant be ugly with clear geometry and simple colors 12:59:23 <StarLite> you can hylje .. 12:59:25 <Patrick`> Bricks are ugly. 12:59:28 <StarLite> I think you can :P 12:59:30 <OwenS> I would like to see someone produce a way to make SPARCs able to on the fly in hardware at clockspeed convert x86 to SPARC instructions :P 12:59:30 <OwenS> You could run legacy x86 apps and SPARC apps side by side that way :P 12:59:30 <Bjarni> Apple got some nice design touches, like the iMacs. The power cable got a plastic plate on it, slightly angles so when you plug it in the rear of the computer, it will almost look like there is nothing plugged in, it's just a wire going into a plate. Looks nicer than a regular power cable 12:59:38 <Patrick`> not much clearer than a rectangle. 12:59:43 <Patrick`> and orange is pretty simple 12:59:45 <Bjarni> and still you can use regular power cables if you like 12:59:49 <Patrick`> OwenS: read up on transmeta 13:00:02 <Patrick`> 2 watts for P3 performance due to dynamic translation 13:00:07 <OwenS> Patrick`: Transmeta aren't targetting desktops, but I know they do something similar 13:00:16 <Patrick`> they're dead now :( 13:00:19 <OwenS> :( 13:00:21 <Patrick`> they had a laptop at one point 13:00:33 <StarLite> My M3L costs less then an iPod, has twice the features, has all accesories [docking station, remote, decent headphones, cables] included and run 30+ hours on 1 charge.. 13:00:36 <StarLite> and I think it looks better 13:00:50 <StarLite> all acc. included in the rpice that ios 13:00:52 <StarLite> *is 13:00:53 <hylje> Patrick`: most bricks are not nice-looking, but there is nice-looking bricks -- smooth surface and a nice hue of orange 13:01:14 <Patrick`> ok, the monolith from 2001. 13:01:20 <Patrick`> simple black, perfect rectangle. 13:01:26 <hylje> 1:618 too? 13:01:29 <hylje> i mean 13:01:31 <Patrick`> nope 13:01:33 <hylje> 1:1.618 13:01:36 <Patrick`> 1:4:9 13:01:49 <Patrick`> anyway, the golden ratio is overrated 13:02:02 <hylje> propose a better ratio 13:02:49 <StarLite> the platinum ratio? 13:02:50 <StarLite> ;) 13:05:18 <OwenS> BTW, Anyone ever noticed how Apple have always been one step behind PC manufacturors with regards to CPU manufacturor? 13:05:35 <OwenS> Apple: Motorola -> IBM -> Intel 13:05:35 <OwenS> PCs: IBM -> Intel -> What? 13:05:40 <hylje> amd 13:05:47 <OwenS> Possibly 13:05:49 <hylje> apple uses what works best for the time 13:06:04 <hylje> or they see working the best 13:08:16 <StarLite> if apples didn't have their 'design' they'd have gone bankrupt a loong time ago 13:08:34 <StarLite> it's not cus they work well, it's cus they look well that they sell 13:08:45 <hylje> apple have the "just works" factor done 13:08:51 <hylje> so they can sell the design 13:08:53 <OwenS> Very well I might add 13:09:08 <hylje> you cant sell the design unless the product already works well 13:09:15 <OwenS> I wish PCs would go the way Apple does with regards to backwards compatability: Break it but provide some way of running older programs 13:09:41 <StarLite> have you ever worked on a mac hylje? 13:09:53 <StarLite> I *hate* it.. 13:10:02 <OwenS> Just because it's different 13:10:05 <OwenS> Open your mind 13:10:22 <OwenS> I don't care how it's done; Whether it's by an emulator, by a seccond CPU, or some translation unit in the CPU. I would like to just see it done 13:10:23 <hylje> differences yes 13:10:45 <StarLite> it's not something I want to be open to OwenS :P 13:10:46 <hylje> OwenS: a "daughter cpu" with a virtualized windows could be quite sweet 13:10:48 <Patrick`> x86 backwards compatibility cruft is a fixed number of transistors 13:10:51 <StarLite> maybe it's cus the eMac sucks.. 13:10:56 <StarLite> but it is *Slooooooooooooooow* 13:11:01 <Patrick`> it was a pain in the ass back in P2 days 13:11:03 <Patrick`> but, meh 13:11:04 <OwenS> Probably an old mac upgraded 13:11:07 <StarLite> like P2 200 mhz slowness 13:11:39 <OwenS> All the macs ive used (Primarily iMac G4s and Mac Mini G4s) have been very fast and responsive 13:12:08 <StarLite> not this one :D 13:12:09 <OwenS> Only time I broke it is when I accidentally made it loose it's WEP key XD (Not my Mac, I couldn't fix it :P) 13:12:27 <hylje> StarLite: its like saying windows sux because it runs bad on old hardware with little memory x) 13:12:45 <StarLite> windows does suck as well hylje 13:12:53 <hylje> it does but not for that reason 13:12:57 <OwenS> Windows sucks badly 13:13:06 <hylje> i didnt switch to linux without a reason 13:13:12 <StarLite> I often hate windows with a passion 13:13:24 <StarLite> but then.. me and linux, not so sure.. 13:13:31 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@VPNPOOL01-0008.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 13:13:51 *** kihlaptop [~kdjsak@glos-340-ac.ntnu.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:14:08 <OwenS> Although, it's suckiness isn't directly MS' fault but more the shit that application developers do and how much MS has to do to not break them 13:15:05 <Rubidium> OwenS: rather the fact that they do not want to break applications that are badly written 13:15:16 <hylje> yep and windows codebase is 90% cruft? 13:15:18 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 13:15:29 <OwenS> Rubidium: But thats because if they did people would blame them... 13:15:46 <hylje> and look at alternativees 13:15:47 <JohnUK89> Afternoon :) 13:16:34 <OwenS> Users don't see that the developers did something in an undocumented and supported way, see that it breaks on Vista and go "Damn MS have broke XYZ! POS!" 13:17:07 <OwenS> Although, if Linux ever becomes mainstream, they will do the same about it. I mean, I wish the G++ team would STOP CHANGING THE DAMN ABI! 13:17:12 <Rubidium> and if you can tell why you've broke it, it might be justifiable 13:17:15 <StarLite> well, it's often not 3rd-partty software that crashes for me.. 13:17:26 <StarLite> stuff like driver handling etc is soooo bad in windows xp 13:17:26 *** Tefad_ is now known as Tefad 13:17:46 <OwenS> StarLite: Sucky drivers most likely, the kernel is actually pretty good 13:18:09 <StarLite> too bad the kernel is only like a minute part of windows 13:18:29 <Rubidium> OwenS: I'm certain that the linux developers will not support an application that uses memory after it is freed. The Windows memory manager does not free memory for certain applications as they were using memory that was already freed. 13:19:14 <OwenS> Rubidium: True, true. Im not asking them to do that, im asking them to just stop breaking stuff like the C++ ABI... 13:19:27 <OwenS> In the future they should only activate these shims if the app is run in compatabilty mode IMO thougj 13:20:20 <Rubidium> you shouldn't create a compatability mode for an application that is already broken 13:20:54 <OwenS> Rubidium: Theyre a company; Breaking software isnt an opetion for them considering the bad publicity it would create among users 13:21:12 <hylje> they are already creating illwill among users 13:21:17 <hylje> *cough*wga*cough* 13:21:22 *** jean-luc [~Jeanluc@host222-111.pool80104.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 13:21:30 <StarLite> I love wga 13:21:31 <hylje> but breaking backwards compability or bad software upsets companies 13:21:43 <StarLite> finally, I won;y get all those ms anti-spyware tool updates anymore 13:21:49 <OwenS> Indeed, tonnes of companies would just not upgrade 13:21:50 <StarLite> no more windows movie maker updates 13:21:57 <StarLite> or ms drivers :D 13:22:01 *** jean-luc is now known as jean_luc 13:22:12 <XeryusTC> <OwenS> StarLite: Sucky drivers most likely, the kernel is actually pretty good <- that's because drivers are run in kernel mode, so if the driver crashes then the kernel will also crash. Vista avoids this by running the drivers in user mode :) 13:22:23 <StarLite> yup XeryusTC 13:22:32 <StarLite> thats the only reason I would go to vista 13:22:37 <OwenS> How do you run drivers which need hardware access in user mode? O.o 13:22:50 <StarLite> another one would be WinFS, but sadly it's not coming at release ;( 13:22:53 <XeryusTC> to stop the kernel from crashing 13:22:55 <StarLite> but like a year later :/ 13:23:00 <hylje> OwenS: by a hardware abstraction layer, for instance 13:23:05 <XeryusTC> 99% of the windows crashes are due to broken drivers 13:23:20 <XeryusTC> well 90% :P 13:23:25 <StarLite> nah, I read it was like like 60-70% 13:23:31 <StarLite> but still a lot 13:23:44 <hylje> linux kernel drivers are generally opensource 13:23:54 <Mucht|work> lies! 13:23:55 <OwenS> hylje: The HAL runs ON TOP of the drivers... 13:23:56 <Mucht|work> :-P 13:24:32 <hylje> OwenS: the drivers ask the kernel to run the hardware, not be the kernel to run the hardware 13:24:42 <hylje> OwenS: thats how i would do it, *g 13:24:50 *** jean_luc [~Jeanluc@host222-111.pool80104.interbusiness.it] has quit [] 13:24:52 <OwenS> So you dont need drivers if the kernel is doing it 13:24:58 <XeryusTC> most crashes i noticed on my pc are due to bad USB drivers, or windows not giving different IRQs to the different USB controllers in my pc :( 13:25:11 <hylje> OwenS: no, the kernel cant use the stuff without the drivers telling it how to :o 13:25:34 <OwenS> I suppose one way would be to mmap() the device's DMA space into the driver's user mode "process" 13:25:37 <XeryusTC> drivers know how to communicate with the hardware, the kernel doesnt 13:26:45 <hylje> *generally* hardware interfaces are pretty standard, ie. USB, (S)ATA, et cetera. the kernel can use these interfaces, and be a layer between the driver and the hardware 13:27:00 <OwenS> The kernel already is 13:27:13 <OwenS> But, for PCI, you need direct access to a specific PHYSICAL memory location 13:27:22 <OwenS> Which is a DMA "port" 13:28:47 <hylje> i see 13:29:32 <OwenS> You could mmap this into the process address space though. 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(make VERBOSE:=1) 14:27:08 <CIA-2> truelight * r6093 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (config.lib configure): [MakefileRewrite] -Add: added windres detection 14:27:51 <Frostregen> ===> Compiling language english 14:27:51 <Frostregen> strgen/strgen.exe -s lang -d lang lang/english.txt || rm -f lang/english.lng 14:27:51 <Frostregen> lang/english.txt:2992: FATAL: can't open lang\lang/english.lng 14:28:03 <TrueLight> k, I know why 14:28:04 <TrueLight> moment 14:28:29 <Frostregen> brb 15mins 14:28:51 <TrueLight> Frostregen: mingw, or linux? 14:28:58 <TrueLight> migw 14:28:59 <TrueLight> hehe 14:29:01 <TrueLight> mingw even 14:29:46 <glx> TrueLight: nice path duplication :) 14:30:17 <TrueLight> glx: under mingw the MINGW is always defined, right? 14:31:04 <glx> it should, but I don't have the #define name in mind 14:31:13 <TrueLight> k, and it uses / 14:31:15 <TrueLight> not \, right? 14:31:18 <MeusH> pluto is no longer a planet :p 14:31:25 <MeusH> we're doomed! 14:31:26 <OwenS> I know :P 14:31:41 <glx> they changed the classification again? 14:31:49 <TrueLight> glx: is it either \ or /? 14:32:10 <glx> TrueLight: the 2 are valid but / is easier to use 14:32:22 <TrueLight> but mixed isn't allowed? :) 14:32:36 <glx> mix works well :) 14:32:40 <TrueLight> hmm 14:32:45 <TrueLight> then why would the above not work? :) 14:32:51 <TrueLight> oh wait 14:32:53 <TrueLight> I see 14:32:54 <TrueLight> wtf? 14:32:54 <TrueLight> haha 14:33:12 <TrueLight> Frostregen: please type: make clean && make 14:34:30 <TrueLight> my best guess is that strgen never got recompiled 14:34:35 <CIA-2> truelight * r6094 /branches/makefile_rewrite/source.list: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: it is stdafx, lowercase (Rubidium) 14:39:07 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 14:42:03 <XeryusTC> is there a rcon command to switch breakdowns off on a dedicated server? 14:42:25 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [] 14:43:16 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3FC25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:47:30 <XeryusTC> ah Tron, the allknowing guy :) 14:47:53 <XeryusTC> do you happen to know if there is a rcon command to switch breakdowns off? 14:49:17 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3DEC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:29 <TrueLight> XeryusTC: there is your answer 14:53:45 <MeusH> try help setvar 14:53:48 <MeusH> or just help 14:53:50 <MeusH> for list of commands 14:53:54 <MeusH> there should be something about var 14:53:58 <MeusH> but I don't think it is editable 14:54:18 <MeusH> as breakdowns are saved in diffculty settings 14:54:44 <MeusH> which looks like 5,4,2,1,3,2,1 <- which means something is 5, something different is 4, and breakdowns are 2 14:55:22 <XeryusTC> MeusH: i know how diff_custom works ;) 14:55:31 <XeryusTC> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Diff_custom :) 14:56:29 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:24 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 15:00:37 <CIA-2> truelight * r6095 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Add: first try to detect the OS by looking at the host-string. If it fails, fall back on uname. 15:02:12 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 15:06:13 <MeusH> XeruysTC: maybye vim openttd.cfg? :) 15:06:23 <MeusH> however it wouldn't affect savegames 15:14:14 <Frostregen> TrueLight: i did a clean, before 15:14:31 <Frostregen> i would never asked about a makefile, without a clean first ;) 15:14:31 <TrueLight> Frostregen: after a checkout? 15:14:38 <TrueLight> :) Good ;) 15:14:38 <Frostregen> did something change? 15:14:41 <TrueLight> yes 15:14:43 <Frostregen> ok 15:14:45 <TrueLight> so do: svn update 15:14:46 <TrueLight> make clean 15:14:47 <TrueLight> make 15:14:49 <TrueLight> and see what happens 15:14:58 <TrueLight> it should in fact just recompile when it is needed 15:15:01 <TrueLight> but.. maybe that broke 15:15:10 <Frostregen> hm, nothing new arrived 15:15:30 <TrueLight> so you already did update :p 15:15:31 <TrueLight> hehe 15:15:36 <TrueLight> it is a bit weird error... 15:15:42 <TrueLight> because it does run here :) 15:16:09 <Frostregen> and yes, i'm using mingw 15:17:57 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@p508F822F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:18:30 <Frostregen> ===> Compiling and Linking strgen/strgen.exe 15:18:30 <Frostregen> gcc -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -mwin32 -mno-cygwin -DSTRGEN strgen/strgen.c string 15:18:30 <Frostregen> .c -o strgen/strgen.exe 15:18:30 <Frostregen> strgen/strgen.c:4:1: warning: "WIN32" redefined 15:18:30 <Frostregen> <built-in>:83:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition 15:18:42 <Frostregen> something about those warnings? 15:18:46 <TrueLight> ah :) That was to be expected, hehe 15:18:55 <TrueLight> it should't give any big problems 15:18:56 <TrueLight> but let me fix it 15:21:11 <CIA-2> truelight * r6096 /trunk/strgen/strgen.c: -Fix: silence a warning on mingw (tnx Frostregen) 15:21:13 <TrueLight> okay, this should solve that 15:21:24 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:21:27 <Frostregen> *testing* 15:21:52 <Frostregen> yup, gone 15:22:35 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 15:22:51 <TrueLight> but the language problems are still there I guess? 15:23:00 <Frostregen> yes 15:23:18 <TrueLight> can you show me the line again with make VERBOSE:=1 15:24:10 <Frostregen> ===> Compiling language english 15:24:10 <Frostregen> strgen/strgen.exe -s lang -d lang lang/english.txt || rm -f lang/english.lng 15:24:10 <Frostregen> lang/english.txt:2992: FATAL: can't open lang\lang/english.lng 15:24:31 <TrueLight> try executing 15:24:32 <TrueLight> strgen/strgen.exe -s lang -d lang lang/english.txt 15:24:42 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@p508F822F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:01 <Frostregen> F:\Stuff\openTTD\ECL_SOURCE>.\strgen\strgen.exe -s lang -d lang lang/english.txt 15:26:01 <Frostregen> lang/english.txt:2992: FATAL: can't open lang\lang/english.lng 15:26:08 <TrueLight> ah, I understand the problem now 15:26:23 <TrueLight> the mixed stuff is a problem 15:26:24 <TrueLight> hmm 15:26:26 <glx> TrueLight: should be strgen/strgen.exe -s lang -d lang english.txt 15:26:43 <TrueLight> glx: no 15:27:17 <TrueLight> glx: the problem is: it rips away any dirs, strgen 15:27:20 <TrueLight> but it looks to PATHSEP 15:27:27 <TrueLight> now PATHSEP is, of course, \ for mingw 15:27:33 <TrueLight> but from the Makefile we feed in / 15:27:38 <TrueLight> so that now collides there 15:28:04 <TrueLight> so, I either force PATHSEP to / in strgen for mingw 15:28:11 <TrueLight> or use \ in Makefile for mingw 15:28:15 <TrueLight> latter is _really_ hard 15:28:23 <glx> the later is bad 15:28:29 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:28:39 <TrueLight> Frostregen: open up strgen/strgen.c 15:28:41 <TrueLight> line 3 15:28:42 <TrueLight> change to 15:28:49 <TrueLight> #if !(defined(WIN32) || defined(WIN64)) || defined(__CYGWIN__) || defined(__MINGW32__) 15:28:55 <TrueLight> let's see if it collides with anything else 15:30:45 <Frostregen> the brackets are incorrect ;) 15:30:57 <TrueLight> they are not 15:31:23 <TrueLight> if NOT (WIN32 OR WIN64) OR CYGWIN OR MINGW 15:31:50 <TrueLight> nothing wrong with it 15:32:09 *** glx [~glx@AAubervilliers-152-1-54-49.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 15:32:25 <Frostregen> at least it doesn't compile 15:32:41 <TrueLight> you did that exact line? 15:32:43 <TrueLight> what is compile error? 15:32:46 <Frostregen> copy&paste 15:32:51 <Frostregen> ah ok 15:33:09 <Frostregen> ===> Compiling and Linking strgen/strgen.exe 15:33:09 <Frostregen> gcc -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -mwin32 -mno-cygwin -DSTRGEN strgen/strgen.c string 15:33:09 <Frostregen> .c -o strgen/strgen.exe 15:33:09 <Frostregen> In file included from strgen/../macros.h:6, 15:33:09 <Frostregen> from strgen/strgen.c:8: 15:33:10 <Frostregen> strgen/../map.h:10: error: syntax error before "_map_log_x" 15:33:10 <Frostregen> strgen/../map.h:10: warning: data definition has no type or storage class 15:33:21 <Frostregen> tons of stuff like this 15:33:26 <TrueLight> k, I was afraid of this 15:33:29 <TrueLight> so I need an other approach 15:33:59 <Frostregen> (after modifying this line, it worked btw) 15:34:43 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:34:44 <Frostregen> #if !(defined(WIN32) || defined(WIN64) || defined(__CYGWIN__) || defined(__MINGW32__)) 15:36:28 <TrueLight> k, try this 15:36:29 <CIA-2> truelight * r6097 /trunk/strgen/strgen.c: -Fix: mingw and cygwin get / from Makefile, where \ is expected. Make exeption code for it (tnx for debug Frostregen) 15:37:15 <Frostregen> ok, trying 15:37:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:12 <Frostregen> hmm, still the same 15:38:22 <TrueLight> what?! 15:38:45 <Frostregen> ===> Compiling and Linking strgen/strgen.exe 15:38:45 <Frostregen> gcc -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -mwin32 -mno-cygwin -DSTRGEN strgen/strgen.c string 15:38:45 <Frostregen> .c -o strgen/strgen.exe 15:38:45 <Frostregen> strgen/strgen.c: In function `main': 15:38:45 <Frostregen> strgen/strgen.c:1316: warning: passing arg 2 of `strrchr' makes integer from poi 15:38:46 <Frostregen> nter without a cast 15:38:57 <TrueLight> hmm 15:38:59 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:39:19 <CIA-2> truelight * r6098 /trunk/strgen/strgen.c: -Fix 6097: stupid me.... CHARS! Not strings, for strrchr :( 15:39:20 <TrueLight> try this :) 15:40:02 <Frostregen> warning gone ;) 15:40:33 <Patrick`> yoink 15:40:39 <Frostregen> ah, now it works 15:40:50 <Frostregen> thanks :) 15:41:08 <CIA-2> truelight * r6099 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (config.lib configure): [MakefileRewrite] -Add: added --with-makedepend, where you can define makedepend (or disable it) 15:41:15 <TrueLight> and thank you for the debug :) 15:41:24 <Frostregen> np :) 15:41:33 <izhirahider> wow, almost 6100 comits 15:41:57 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2DE66.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:43:00 <grimrc1> hi guys; I've set up a gui_spawn *boolean variable* that controls whether *new* gui elements are drawn (it stops showselectgamewindow() and showvitalwindows()); I've also set up a gui_hide *command* that hides currently showing gui parts by a modified hidevitalwindows(); I've also set up a gui_show *command* that draws gui elements that should be visible but have been hidden (showvitalwindows() and showselectgamewindow() ag 15:43:00 <grimrc1> ain) 15:43:30 <TrueLight> there you have 6100 :) 15:43:32 <CIA-2> truelight * r6100 /branches/makefile_rewrite/src/strgen/strgen.c: [MakefileRewrite] -Forwardport r6096, r6097, r6098: fix strgen problems under mingw (tnx Frostregen) 15:43:34 <TrueLight> in 5 days, 100 revisions :) 15:44:22 <OwenS> I find it amazing how many sites have the Sun logo as a favicon XD 15:44:48 <TrueLight> we don't :) 15:44:49 <hylje> :o 15:45:00 <OwenS> It's mainly large corporations too.. 15:45:02 <Frostregen> hmm, is there any nightly server, after brianetta's has gone? 15:45:03 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D07A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:45:11 <OwenS> ...Since they run Sun web servers and never change the favicon :P 15:45:17 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176114054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:45:21 <grimrc1> hidevitalwindows() calls deletewindowbyid() which doesn't try to delete windows that don't already exist, so it's a safe function, but showvitalwindows() *will* try to spawn windows that already exist by allocatewindowdesc() (segfaulting) - what technique should I use to detect if a window is already drawn ?? 15:45:34 <OwenS> www.toshiba.com is one 15:45:45 <TrueLight> grimrc1: run Hide before Show, and you are done ;) 15:46:10 <grimrc1> TrueLight: oh of course!! a bit kudgey though isn't it? 15:46:18 <grimrc1> kludgey 15:46:32 <TrueLight> grimrc1: ShowVitalWindows just assumes there is nothing yet 15:46:37 <TrueLight> has to do when it is currently called 15:46:46 <TrueLight> and there it doesn't need to check if the window already exists 15:46:55 <TrueLight> (in fact, would be a waste of good CPU power in those cases ;)) 15:47:09 <TrueLight> (hehe, I mean, 40 byte-instructions less!!!! :p) 15:47:13 <grimrc1> yeah I was wondering about bloat 15:47:14 <grimrc1> hehe 15:47:29 <TrueLight> so short, sometimes functions have their own requirements 15:47:32 <TrueLight> not always a good thing 15:47:35 <TrueLight> not always a bad thing 15:47:50 <TrueLight> but I don't think you feel anything to fix it the perfect way 15:47:53 <TrueLight> so just use the dirty way :) 15:48:14 <TrueLight> or you can of course us: FindWindowByClass or what ever 15:48:16 <grimrc1> I've also set up a command-line argument to take a script file to use as instead of autoexec.scr too - it works; could this be added? what letter would you use for -X ? 15:48:18 <TrueLight> and never call the function all together :) 15:48:36 <TrueLight> if you want to know if it can be added, show me the patch 15:48:40 <TrueLight> and -X sounds good enough 15:48:46 <grimrc1> it's -z now 15:49:19 <TrueLight> but to be hounest 15:49:22 <TrueLight> the script system 15:49:25 <TrueLight> is really really weak 15:49:28 <grimrc1> all the good letters are taken; -e -s -f -b ---- how can I can convey a one letter option that execs a different autoexec.scr 15:49:37 <TrueLight> I was looking into to removing it altogether 15:50:12 <grimrc1> really? what would you use instead? 15:50:30 <TrueLight> nothing currently in fact 15:50:41 <TrueLight> but okay, I don't like the whole console 15:50:46 <TrueLight> the function is good 15:50:47 <grimrc1> is the script system weak, or is it just the lack of console commands that makes it weak? 15:50:50 <TrueLight> but the code is a bit.... doubtful :p 15:50:54 <TrueLight> both I guess 15:51:02 <TrueLight> the first version of the console was a disaster :) 15:51:08 <TrueLight> you need to do things like: *variable = 1 15:51:09 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:51:19 <TrueLight> (forgetting the * returned in error :)) 15:51:22 <TrueLight> but I never liked it ever since... 15:51:25 <TrueLight> oh well, that is just me :) 15:52:06 <grimrc1> well obviously I vote for a console, coz otherwise I can't stop gui elements loading for a screensaver; I thought those on_client.scr scripts looked interesting too; I suppose noone knows about them yet relaly 15:52:20 <grimrc1> I vote for a script I mean 15:52:55 <TrueLight> I know some people who used those scripts once or twice 15:53:01 <TrueLight> but they aren't powerful enough to do anything real 15:53:04 <TrueLight> I rather make a lua plugin 15:53:05 <Frostregen> i gave up on the scripts, and modified the code directly 15:53:07 <TrueLight> that takes care of such stuff 15:53:14 <TrueLight> lua is small and portable 15:53:24 <TrueLight> and already has a full interpreter 15:53:59 <grimrc1> oh - do you mind if I leave the -z script loader option in the patch as well as the new gui control commands, or would you rather I split it out in to 2 patches? 15:54:22 <TrueLight> you can leave it like this for now 15:54:25 <TrueLight> show it to me or an other dev 15:54:33 <TrueLight> then we will review it, and maybe tell you to split it here and there 15:54:39 <TrueLight> for sure we won't commit it as one patch ;) 15:54:53 <grimrc1> so I'll put it up on bugs.gentoo.org 15:55:11 <TrueLight> or send it to me ;) 15:55:19 <TrueLight> or both 15:55:19 <TrueLight> hehe 15:55:43 <grimrc1> and give you the link? 15:55:51 <TrueLight> yup 15:55:58 <grimrc1> thanks 15:56:09 <grimrc1> still working on it of course 15:57:24 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:58:08 <grimrc1> oh there's something else I forgot about the design: should I stop all in-game messages, or stop the window functions from loading the messages (like train 1 has no orders etc.)? 15:59:00 <TrueLight> I don't get that :) I get what you mean, but not: stop all in-game message or stop the windows functions from loading the message 15:59:37 <CIA-2> truelight * r6101 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: document added commands of the last few revisions 16:00:04 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:00:04 <grimrc1> I mean, change the window showing functions so that game-play messages are silently dropped, or change the patch settings/options/etc. so the game doesn't even bother trying to show any messages? 16:00:39 <TrueLight> most likely changing the patch is the most clean 16:00:49 <TrueLight> also disable autosave and stuff 16:00:59 <grimrc1> yeah that's what I thought; oh forgot about autosave 16:01:58 <grimrc1> I think I should make a separate autosave variable because gui_hide does not really imply no autosave normally 16:01:58 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@82-37-135-45.cable.ubr01.telf.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:02:07 *** Kaffe [kaffe@h35n2fls33o877.telia.com] has quit [Quit: [14:57:41] [@Jannee] jag vågar knappt sova, tänker på allt från monster i kloakerna till osynliga tigrar] 16:03:03 <grimrc1> thanks for those tips; I'll get on with it 16:04:04 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:04:05 <TrueLight> Out for dinner 16:04:12 <TrueLight> grimrc1: but do show a patch from time to time 16:04:17 <TrueLight> do not finish it, then show it 16:04:22 <TrueLight> in between we can help you go in a direction 16:04:27 <TrueLight> at the end that is a pain in the ass ;) 16:04:28 <TrueLight> bbl 16:04:41 <grimrc1> cya 16:07:09 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection closed by sandwich.] 16:13:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host108-62.pool8256.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 16:14:09 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.4/2006072904]] 16:14:12 <Wolf01> hi 16:23:47 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32:05 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D07A.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:32:33 <MeusH> hi Wolf01 16:32:42 <MeusH> wow we've got three Wolves here :) 16:32:53 <MeusH> is it a full moon by chance? 16:33:41 <TrueLight> be afraid 16:33:43 <TrueLight> be very afraid 16:35:01 <MeusH> haha :) nice one 16:35:20 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176121204.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:36:10 <MeusH> Each time I see a link in a dark red color I'm not sure about clicking 16:36:20 <MeusH> just because it means "article not found" on wikipedia 16:36:30 <MeusH> and I probably miss much content 16:37:13 <peter1138> eh 16:38:07 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176114054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:26 *** PAStheLoD [~pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 16:41:13 <CIA-2> truelight * r6102 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (config.lib configure): [MakefileRewrite] -Add: add direct-music support in configure for win32 targets 16:41:42 <izhirahider> It would be interesting to see OpenTTD in ohloh.net 16:46:12 <TrueLight> izhirahider: send them the info they need 16:50:07 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-097-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:50:09 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@ACD53E89.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 16:51:27 <Patrick`> bah 16:52:18 <TrueLight> lol, my OpenTTD develop dir has a total of 8GB on data :) 16:54:30 <Born_Acorn> :O 16:54:44 <Born_Acorn> Thats more than a lot! 16:54:53 <TrueLight> yup 16:54:56 <TrueLight> I should cleanup ;) 16:55:50 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:59 <TrueLight> okay, not really fair stats.. 5.2GB goes to a single project 16:59:09 <TrueLight> (OpenTTD related, just not OpenTTD itself :)) 17:01:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:09:15 <MeusH> Grand Theft Train: OpenTTD? 17:09:16 <MeusH> lol 17:12:01 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-196-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:12:03 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:12:54 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 17:15:23 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:52 <Maedhros> is there anyone around who can explain how to use sprites from newgrf files, preferably in more detail than "look at newgrf.c"? ;) 17:17:28 <MaulingMonkey> !seen Celestar 17:17:30 <_42_> MaulingMonkey, Celestar (~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de) was last seen quitting #openttd 1 day 2 hours 17 minutes ago (23.08. 15:00) stating "Quit: Lost terminal" after spending 2 hours 1 minute there. 17:17:42 <MaulingMonkey> :-/ 17:18:28 <Bjarni> don't expect him to show up anytime soon 17:18:38 <Bjarni> I think he got a serious case of RL 17:19:52 *** sayno [~sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has joined #openttd 17:20:22 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 17:23:45 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 17:25:44 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 17:26:31 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:28:49 <hylje> :E 17:30:05 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:05 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 17:32:02 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:11 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 17:44:13 *** JonRox [~NoLamerZ@host21-139.pool80116.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 17:47:39 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 17:48:36 <DaleStan> Ah-ha! nick reclamation finally worked. 17:50:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:51:10 <Patrick`> like pork fat reclamation 17:51:16 <Patrick`> only less fragrant 17:53:55 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 17:59:00 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:00:17 <grimrc1> who's reclaiming pork fat? 18:00:25 <hylje> your mom 18:00:48 <grimrc1> oh yeah right 18:01:08 <grimrc1> she's dead; thanks 18:01:27 <hylje> ever heard about zombies 18:02:05 <grimrc1> nah she's not really; I was hoping that'd stop you 18:02:11 <hylje> no u 18:02:22 <grimrc1> yeah 18:02:43 <grimrc1> I'm a bit of a zombie atm - I'm untreated hypothyroid 18:04:27 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 18:06:32 <grimrc1> am I supposed to put my patch on flyspray or sourceforge? they seem to do the same things 18:10:44 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:10:44 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:10:58 <Patrick`> flyspray. 18:11:09 <Patrick`> but make a forum thread to judge popularity 18:11:20 <grimrc1> forum thread? which forum? 18:11:25 <Patrick`> see topic 18:11:34 <Patrick`> it also helps if the patch fixes some bugs on flyspray 18:11:37 <Patrick`> otherwise it'll be in limbo 18:11:49 <Patrick`> feature splurdge isn't something that always get checked in 18:11:56 <grimrc1> it's enhancement 18:12:04 <Patrick`> hmm, well you'll need to get people behind it 18:12:24 <grimrc1> gui control commands and a commandline option to load a different autoexec.scr 18:12:30 <Patrick`> so put it on flyspray andpost on forum.openttd.org 18:12:35 <grimrc1> all for screensaver/demo-mode 18:12:52 <Patrick`> neat. 18:13:22 <grimrc1> thanks for the forum tip 18:13:44 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-201-59.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:13:49 <grimrc1> oh I need to check it against svn so I'm going to co trunk (I've only got 0.4.8 here) 18:14:14 <Tron> have fun... 18:14:27 <Tron> there's 116.000 lines of diff between trunk and 0.4.8 18:14:57 <grimrc1> hehehe 18:15:23 <grimrc1> can I diff my 0.4.8 up to the latest trunk, or do I have to co a fresh new copy? 18:15:41 <hylje> you dont have to 18:15:46 <hylje> its cleaner to co a new one 18:16:14 <grimrc1> I wanna try; I'd use a fresh 0.4.8 18:16:30 <Tron> svn switch svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk 18:16:39 <grimrc1> cheers 18:17:36 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:21:27 *** |AciD| [~AciD@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 18:21:31 *** _AciD_ [~AciD@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 18:21:31 *** AciD [~AciD@tehpwnz.org] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:23:32 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 18:24:40 *** sayno [~sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:24:49 <Sacro> DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0 18:25:05 <hylje> in before connection reset by peer 18:25:25 <Faux> In.. your mom! 18:27:09 <Sacro> :[ 18:27:11 <Sacro> :p 18:28:22 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B35677.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:28:39 <Bjarni> Faux: take your "your mom" elsewhere. We don't want that kind of talk here 18:28:55 <Bjarni> well, either that or actually bring her in here 18:32:16 <Sacro> Bjarni is after your mum :o 18:32:35 <Born_Acorn> In the world according to Bjarni®, I am my mum! 18:33:06 *** Sjoerd- [~Sjoerd@ip54576152.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 18:33:11 <Sjoerd-> hi, anyone using screen? 18:33:30 *** Sjoerd- [~Sjoerd@ip54576152.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [] 18:33:50 <Born_Acorn> I don't have a screen. I have a telepathic ability to read IRC. 18:34:33 <Bjarni> [20:33] --> Sjoerd- (~Sjoerd@ip54576152.direct-adsl.nl) has joined #openttd 18:34:33 <Bjarni> [20:33] <Sjoerd-> hi, anyone using screen? 18:34:33 <Bjarni> [20:33] <-- Sjoerd- has quit () 18:34:46 <Bjarni> now that give us a good time to reply :p 18:35:23 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni is after your mum :o <-- no.... I don't know her 18:35:23 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_Eating 18:35:33 * Born_Acorn eats e1ko 18:36:11 <Bjarni> <Born_Acorn> In the world according to Bjarni®, I am my mum! <-- that would make an interesting birth o_O 18:36:47 <Born_Acorn> indeed. 18:38:20 <hylje> its like eating your own head 18:38:25 <hylje> possible but pointless 18:40:08 <Eddi|zuHause> eat your own head? that sounds so klein-bottle-esque ;) 18:44:21 <grimrc1> or like that strange snake that's eating its own tail 18:44:31 <hylje> what was she called 18:44:38 <hylje> the keeper of time 18:45:12 * Sacro looks at Universities 18:45:24 <grimrc1> are file:// type urls supposed to support relative paths? doesn't work with svn - really tedious using file:///path/to/blah 18:46:20 <hylje> no 18:46:32 <OwenS> grimrc1: No, file:// is always absolute 18:46:33 <hylje> use to/blah for relative urls 18:46:50 <OwenS> hylje: Doesn't work with SVN I would think 18:46:54 <OwenS> If your using a local repo 18:46:59 <grimrc1> hylje: but if it's an url, doesn't it have to have file:// 18:47:01 <hylje> oh local repo 18:47:06 <hylje> then its fairly different 18:47:22 <Bjarni> hylje: err, how would you manage to eat your own head? I presume that your mouth is located in your head, so if you eat the head, where will your mouth be and you can't eat without your ,outh 18:47:26 <Bjarni> *mouth 18:47:28 <grimrc1> it's crazy file:// only using absolute paths - it specifically needs a third / anyway; file:///usr/src/blah 18:47:37 <hylje> Bjarni: its magic i say. 18:47:41 <Bjarni> you can eat your own leg, but that's another story 18:47:57 <Sacro> yes file:// should be relative 18:48:03 <Sacro> whereas file:/// should be / 18:48:04 <OwenS> grimrc1: It's not; file: is a protocol. You cant use http://../ can you? ... 18:48:16 <Sacro> OwenS: you'd fall off the top of the internet :S 18:48:19 <grimrc1> OwenS: don't know - not tried it 18:48:26 <OwenS> Sacro: Exactly... 18:48:32 <Sacro> Firefox can't find the server at ... 18:48:44 <OwenS> http://./ is a valid domain - Albeit one without any useful reccords 18:48:51 <OwenS> It has a bunch of NS reccords, but thats it 18:49:03 <grimrc1> file: is a protocol? 18:49:17 <OwenS> grimrc1: Yes. I think it's actually defined in some RFC! 18:49:44 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 18:50:12 <grimrc1> still, file:// requests are handled by something - can't that do relative paths as the user would expect - operating specific but who cares? Windows does file://C:/WINNT 18:50:18 <OwenS> For example, Konqeror implements it as a KIOSlave like it implements HTTP, as do most browsers, Windows and inicentally SVN 18:50:54 <grimrc1> or is it file:///C:/WINNT ? 18:50:58 <OwenS> grimrc1: Doing so would be violating said RFC 18:51:16 <OwenS> file://C:\Windows 18:51:21 <OwenS> IIRC 18:51:22 <grimrc1> of course violating RFC's is that the last thing Microsoft cards about 18:51:28 <OwenS> This is SVN 18:51:29 <grimrc1> er cares 18:52:42 <Sacro> grimrc1: i think its file://C|/WINNT 18:52:54 <Sacro> im pretty sure colons are not allowed 18:53:24 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:39 <grimrc1> oh here's an exp.: http://curl.haxx.se/mail/lib-2004-04/0206.html 18:53:47 <OwenS> Sacro: http://my.com:8080... 18:54:01 <grimrc1> file://foo/bar is the /bar directory on host foo 18:54:39 <grimrc1> makes sense, just about 18:54:56 *** lag [~lagmaster@cpc3-bsfd2-0-0-cust323.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:55:14 <Sacro> OwenS: wtf? 18:55:24 <OwenS> Colons are valid in URLs 18:57:38 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:58:40 <grimrc1> a solution under *nix: a special filesystem mounted on /~/ or /&/ or /.../ or something, that when followed, jumps to its interpretation of your present working directory; maybe a user-space filesystem like FUSE? 19:00:44 <Tron> file://$PWD/blablub 19:01:06 <OwenS> Or, file:///`pwd`/foobarbarbaz 19:01:45 <grimrc1> oh yeah that's much better heh 19:02:03 <grimrc1> won't work in mozilla though 19:02:28 <Tron> mozilla file://$PWD/blablub works 19:02:32 <Sacro> wtf is &? 19:02:33 <grimrc1> damn 19:02:38 <Sacro> s/w/where? 19:02:52 <Sacro> Tron: yeah, but thats bash expansion 19:03:07 <grimrc1> true; not that portable 19:03:10 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 19:03:36 <Tron> Sacro: except for the fact i don't use bash 19:03:48 <Sacro> Tron: tsk tsk tsk 19:07:47 *** e1ko_Eating is now known as e1ko 19:11:56 *** Boerta [~Boerta@sos2-1x-dhcp436.studby.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:11:58 <grimrc1> can I just delete a svn working copy that I've checked out, or is there some svn delete command? 19:13:02 <OwenS> Ye may delete it 19:13:06 <grimrc1> I've checked it out of my local respository; not wasting openttd's bandwidth heh 19:13:18 <grimrc1> cool thanks 19:16:02 <Wolf01> 'night all 19:16:05 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host108-62.pool8256.interbusiness.it] has quit [Quit: e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro] 19:17:55 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:19:48 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_ 19:26:51 <GoneWacko> Silly gdm D: 19:26:56 * GoneWacko shakes his fist 19:32:50 *** [fr34k] [~robertwoe@Wadc4.w.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 19:33:18 <Sacro> GoneWacko: buh? 19:36:17 <Sacro> !calc 1 ÷ 0 19:36:17 <_42_> Sacro: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 19:36:24 <Sacro> !calc 4 ÷ 2 19:36:25 <_42_> Sacro: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?) 19:36:31 <Sacro> :( he doesnt accept it 19:36:37 <Sacro> !calc 4 / 2 19:36:38 <_42_> Sacro: 2.0000000000; 19:36:45 <Sacro> ooh, thats accurate 19:36:58 <Sacro> !calc (10 / 3) * 3 19:36:59 <_42_> Sacro: 9.9999999999; 19:37:03 <Sacro> D: 19:37:07 <Sacro> i lost a bit 19:37:59 <Tefad> or something 19:38:10 <Tefad> !calc e ^ (i * pi) 19:38:11 <_42_> Tefad: 1; 19:38:15 <Tefad> failure. 19:39:26 <GoneWacko> Sacro: I'm trying to get gdm to also have an X display in VT8 19:40:40 <GoneWacko> so that, when I'm playing a game under cedega in one display, I can still go to a graphical environment without risking that the game crashes (which does happen sometimes. When I play the frozen throne and press ALT+ESC and re-open the window afterwards, sometimes it gets unstable :p) 19:40:46 <GoneWacko> but it's being silly 19:40:57 <GoneWacko> Either it's xfce's fault, or gdm's fault, or my fault :p 19:42:30 *** Ylle [~YlleYlle@h219n1fls303o851.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:42:35 <GoneWacko> I got it to display a second graphical login on vt8 but then only one of them will actually log-in to xfce properly :p 19:42:39 <GoneWacko> hence my fistshaking 19:48:29 <Sacro> ahh 19:49:08 <GoneWacko> tbh I think it's xfce's fault :o 19:50:27 <Sacro> ::9- 19:52:41 *** Ylle [~YlleYlle@h219n1fls303o851.telia.com] has left #openttd [] 19:54:58 *** Sinnataggen [s-@217-197-132.531210.adsl.tele2.no] has joined #openttd 19:55:14 <Sinnataggen> I want to cry! 19:55:35 * GoneWacko kicks Sinnataggen in the shins 19:55:42 <Sinnataggen> What is TTpatch? 19:55:52 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 19:57:10 <Sinnataggen> just getting so confused 19:58:20 <MeusH> an app that changes the TTDPatch executable 19:58:27 <MeusH> so it can handle new features 19:58:47 *** JTanczos [~You@24.229.190.6.res-cmts.ovr.ptd.net] has joined #openttd 19:59:03 <glx> MeusH: wrong explanation :) 19:59:18 <MeusH> alltight, now it's your turn :) 19:59:25 <MeusH> I wanted to make it simple 19:59:26 <Sinnataggen> k, cause I want to have the monorail in my OTTD! 19:59:43 <glx> TTDPatch is an app that change the original TTD executable 19:59:50 <Sinnataggen> and the levmag 19:59:56 <Sinnataggen> but does it work for OTTD? 20:00:08 <Sinnataggen> and, where do you get the monorail and the levmag and such? 20:00:18 <JTanczos> I love TTDP 20:00:53 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:00:53 <MeusH> whoops, glx, I just used wrong word... TTDPatch instead of TTD 20:00:56 <MeusH> but you're right 20:00:59 <MeusH> I was wrong 20:01:00 <MeusH> a mistake 20:01:26 <Darkvater> hiya peoepl 20:01:27 <Darkvater> e 20:01:37 <glx> hi Darkvater 20:01:53 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@80-235-121-66-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 20:02:26 <MeusH> hi Darkvater 20:02:38 <Darkvater> yes, will probably look at 20:03:25 <MeusH> Darkvater, did you say it to me? :) 20:03:43 <grimrc1> I'm trying to get the new svn trunk, but using my openttd 0.4.8 as a base; I've created a local repository, imported 0.4.8, checked out 0.4.8, but svn switch svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk doesn't like the fact I'm trying to switch to a different repository (the official openttd one, whereas my 0.4.8 came from a local repository as far as svn is concerned) 20:04:13 <Sinnataggen> is there any mod you need to get the monorails working? 20:04:16 <Tron> grimrc1: in short: it doesn't work 20:04:25 <grimrc1> yeah, but does anybody know why 20:04:25 <Darkvater> grimrc1: why not just check out trunk? 20:04:35 <JTanczos> !svn 20:04:44 <grimrc1> coz that'd take longer and is wasteful 20:04:48 <glx> !openttd svn 20:04:49 <_42_> glx: SVN: svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk ; WebSVN: http://svn.openttd.org/ 20:04:51 <Tron> grimrc1: because you can't switch between repos 20:05:01 <grimrc1> Tron: yeah I've learned that 20:05:07 <Darkvater> he, wasteful 20:05:07 <Tron> why do you use a local repo after all? 20:05:08 <mikk36> hey :) 20:05:08 <Darkvater> lol 20:05:32 *** webfreakz [~Ronald@195.73.147.226] has joined #openttd 20:05:36 <webfreakz> hi 20:05:47 <webfreakz> under MSVS2005 compiling failes @ strgen 20:05:49 <MeusH> hi webfreakz 20:05:57 <webfreakz> ------ Rebuild All started: Project: strgen, Configuration: Debug Win32 ------ 20:05:57 <webfreakz> Deleting intermediate and output files for project 'strgen', configuration 'Debug|Win32' 20:05:57 <webfreakz> Compiling... 20:05:57 <webfreakz> strgen.c 20:05:57 <webfreakz> Linking... 20:05:59 <webfreakz> strgen.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol _ttd_strlcpy referenced in function _main 20:05:59 <webfreakz> .\Debug/strgen.exe : fatal error LNK1120: 1 unresolved externals 20:06:01 <webfreakz> Build log was saved at "file://g:$games\#openttd_sources\trunk\strgen\Debug\BuildLog.htm" 20:06:01 <webfreakz> strgen - 2 error(s), 0 warning(s) 20:06:03 <webfreakz> ========== Rebuild All: 0 succeeded, 1 failed, 0 skipped ========== 20:06:13 <MeusH> brb 20:06:21 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 20:06:29 <JTanczos> hey GoneWacko! 20:06:35 <GoneWacko> Hullo 20:06:57 <lws1984> he speaks! 20:07:02 <Darkvater> webfreakz: it isn't updated 20:07:16 <Darkvater> webfreakz: add string.c to the strgen project 20:07:16 <grimrc1> if I untar openttd 0.4.8 in a directory, cd in to it and run svn switch URL_here then I get svn: '.' is not a working copy 20:07:22 <Sacro> Sinnataggen: no mods needed 20:07:30 <Sinnataggen> strange 20:07:38 <Darkvater> grimrc1: svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.4.8 ...wait... 20:07:41 <Darkvater> svn switch to trunk ;p 20:07:48 <Sinnataggen> I started teh game in 2030, and the only rail system I had was the old crappy one 20:07:53 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.146.211] has joined #openttd 20:07:53 <Darkvater> but you can just as well switch out trunk right from the start 20:07:54 <grimrc1> Darkvater: yeah maybe co will use my current files 20:08:08 <Tron> it won't 20:08:31 <webfreakz> darkvater: it's already 20:08:56 <glx> Sinnataggen: hold down the mouse button on the rail construction button 20:09:21 <grimrc1> svn: Failed to add file '0.4.8/spritecache.h': object of the same name already exists 20:09:40 <Darkvater> webfreakz: well it obviously isn't cause otherwise it would also say 'compiling string.c' 20:09:40 <Tron> i just told you 20:09:43 <Darkvater> and I don't see that 20:09:44 <grimrc1> carry on reading the guide I suppose 20:09:57 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 20:10:14 <Sinnataggen> glx: thankyou 20:10:18 <Sinnataggen> now it works 20:10:20 <grimrc1> Tron: don't you mean "I told you so - nah nah nah" 20:10:26 <Sinnataggen> and why didnt i think of that 20:10:26 <Tron> grimrc1: what's the problem? 20:10:31 <grimrc1> just kidding 20:10:39 <Tron> check out tags/0.4.8, apply your diff, svn switch to trunk 20:10:51 <Tron> just don't try anything way to complicated 20:11:20 <webfreakz> uhm? 20:11:23 <webfreakz> darkvater / 20:11:24 <webfreakz> (22:05:56) webfreakz: Compiling... 20:11:24 <webfreakz> (22:05:56) webfreakz: strgen.c 20:11:24 <webfreakz> (22:05:56) webfreakz: Linking... 20:11:33 <Darkvater> yes, string.c is not there 20:11:38 <Darkvater> so it is not in the project 20:11:44 <Darkvater> don't see the problem 20:11:49 <Darkvater> 22:07 <@Darkvater> webfreakz: it isn't updated 20:11:49 <Darkvater> 22:07 <@Darkvater> webfreakz: add string.c to the strgen project 20:12:19 <Sinnataggen> is there any mod that changes the vehicle names? 20:12:45 <Sacro> newgrfs 20:14:50 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:15:53 <Darkvater> whohoo, new NVIDIA drivers 20:15:58 <Darkvater> 1.0-8774 20:17:49 <Kjetil> New card support only or ? 20:18:05 <Sinnataggen> could someone link to me the "real vehicles" names? 20:18:11 <Darkvater> xorg 7.1 and some really minor fixes 20:18:22 <Darkvater> Sinnataggen: select language 'original vehicle names' 20:18:37 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 20:18:41 <webfreakz> that last ubuntu bug in xserver-xorg-core was really funny :) 20:18:52 <Bjarni> what was it? 20:18:53 <Darkvater> how would people feel if I were to ask MB or Lakie if we might use this icon for cloning trains? 20:18:53 <Sinnataggen> its grayed out at my OTTD 20:18:56 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=483519#483519 20:19:04 <Darkvater> Sinnataggen: LANGUAGE 20:19:05 <izhirahider> Darkvater, do you notice any changes while playing OpenTTD with them? 20:19:05 *** TrueLight [~truelight@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:15 <izhirahider> namely speed 20:19:15 <Sinnataggen> never mind :P 20:19:16 <Sinnataggen> sorry 20:19:20 <webfreakz> bjarni: some bug in that package prevented to start X 20:19:20 <Darkvater> izhirahider: yes, the vehciesl have different names 20:19:31 <Tefad> good icon 20:19:39 <webfreakz> so everybody was forced to use a CLI 20:19:40 <webfreakz> :) 20:19:44 <Darkvater> caus frankly... 20:19:50 <Darkvater> "Don't even get me started on the OpenTTD cursor I find it eh... not so beautiful." 20:20:04 <webfreakz> bjarni: http://www.ubuntu.com/FixForUpgradeIssue 20:20:06 <izhirahider> I can't play OpenTTD in a resolution bigger than 800x600 with a decent responsiveness :/ 20:20:10 <Bjarni> webfreakz: sounds serious... it's nice that they detected it ;) 20:20:21 <Bjarni> (how could they fail to detect it...) 20:20:29 <webfreakz> hehe 20:20:45 <Bjarni> Darkvater: MB's cursor looks awesome. We should use that one if he agrees 20:20:53 <webfreakz> i'm still wondered how on earth that package could be added to the repoisitores 20:21:05 <Darkvater> ok well then I will ask :) 20:21:10 <Bjarni> the one we got is done rather quick because we had none and no artists 20:21:13 <webfreakz> i mean, don't they test there stuff before releasing it to some hundred of thousand people? 20:21:31 <Bjarni> so it's like.. better than nothing 20:21:33 <Belugas> Darkvater, you have to admit MB's do look better 20:21:57 <Belugas> And maybe the button could be changed as well :) 20:22:08 <Bjarni> <webfreakz> i mean, don't they test there stuff before releasing it to some hundred of thousand people? <-- look at the disclaimer. They can't be used for bugs in the software, so no :p 20:22:10 <Belugas> since they are intertwined 20:22:20 <Bjarni> yeah 20:22:54 <Bjarni> and if we get it really nice, we get the cursor and button to be company coloured 20:23:00 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:01 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 20:23:08 <Bjarni> I mean, the front engine could get company colour if possible 20:23:27 <Bjarni> but that is for a later issue. First if we can just get the nice cursors... 20:24:30 *** TrueLight [~truelight@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:24:58 <Darkvater> wb TrueLight 20:28:40 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:32 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.146.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:34 <Darkvater> request-mail sent 20:40:35 *** QOAL [~quiche_on@host81-151-35-18.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:41:50 <Bjarni> good 20:42:10 <Bjarni> what about moving the sprite into the button as well. Did you mention that? 20:42:38 *** QOAL [~quiche_on@host81-151-35-18.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 20:46:26 *** webfreakz [~Ronald@195.73.147.226] has quit [Quit: cya] 20:50:55 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:48 *** e1ko_ [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.4/2006072904]] 20:54:14 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:54:53 * Darkvater waits for TrueLight 20:55:18 <Bjarni> ok, I have a way to make people stop talking tonight 20:55:27 <Bjarni> I talked to TrueLight and he timed out 20:55:49 <Bjarni> I talked to Darkvater and he have yet to reply 20:55:58 <Bjarni> in fact the channel died when I did so 20:56:09 *** Sinnataggen [s-@217-197-132.531210.adsl.tele2.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:12 <Darkvater> anyone know why in r6088 this day 20:56:13 <Darkvater> #if defined(WIN32) || defined(WIN64) || defined(__CYGWIN__) 4 #define WIN32 5 #else 6 #define UNIX 7 #endif 20:56:16 <Darkvater> was added? 20:56:23 <Darkvater> cause that certainly was NOT in my diff 20:56:31 *** Sinnataggen [s-@217-197-132.531210.adsl.tele2.no] has joined #openttd 20:56:44 <Kjetil> Darkvater: It's code from devil.. kill it 20:57:01 * Bjarni kills Kjetil 20:57:08 <Bjarni> done 20:57:10 <Kjetil> oh noes.. Bjarni talked to me 20:57:15 <Kjetil> *dies* 20:57:44 <Bjarni> hey, this ability might be useful 20:57:47 <Darkvater> he, remember the good old times when DiVX first came out? 20:57:49 <Rubidium> Darkvater: it got somewhat changed in r6096 20:57:58 <Bjarni> Janet Jones: hi 20:57:59 <Darkvater> I had a K6350 and couldn't run it fluently 20:58:17 <Darkvater> well, those times are back and now I can't run HD movies fluently in a Pentium M1.4GHz 20:58:24 <Darkvater> Rubidium: it is still utterly brainless 20:58:31 <Bjarni> Darkvater: I had a 266 MHz G3 and it could run it way better than a 300 MHz G3... don't ask me why :) 20:58:32 <Darkvater> I think I should shoot frostregen 20:58:32 <Rubidium> yup 21:01:20 <Darkvater> Bjarni: they got MB pixel-god as an artist, it's not a fair competition ;) 21:01:25 <Darkvater> in reply to your post 21:01:44 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 21:01:47 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:02:12 <Bjarni> Darkvater: I know 21:02:25 <Bjarni> we got Celestar as the artist 21:02:28 <Bjarni> not fair at all 21:02:56 <Darkvater> hehe 21:03:21 <Bjarni> but hey, it beats using the goto mouse pointer 21:04:16 <Belugas_Gone> bye all 21:04:35 <Bjarni> bye Belugas_Gone, who is already gone and will not read this line 21:06:54 <Darkvater> waste of time, energy and my typing 21:06:59 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 21:08:46 <Bjarni> what is a waste of time, energy and my typing? 21:08:55 <Darkvater> your typing bye to Belugas_Gone 21:08:55 <Bjarni> -my 21:09:12 <Bjarni> note to self: read what you copy paste 21:09:55 <Bjarni> how can MY typing be a waste of YOUR typing? 21:13:02 <Darkvater> because I needed to reply to your wasteful typing to show that it was utterly and totally useless 21:13:14 <Darkvater> which seems to continue even now :) 21:14:03 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 21:14:09 <MeusH> goodnight 21:14:19 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [] 21:14:27 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37D88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:21:42 *** orudge` [~orudge@host81-132-175-237.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:28:06 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 21:31:39 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> which seems to continue even now :) <-- yeah... you could have just ignored it and you would not have wasted typing 21:31:54 <Bjarni> you wear out your keyboard before time doing this 21:32:24 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 21:33:39 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:36:19 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@ACD53E89.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:19 <grimrc1> assignment from an array pointer to a pointer - what's the proper way? player_gui.c:47: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type 21:36:54 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [] 21:37:19 <grimrc1> if anyone's interested, you can't checkout over already existing files in subversion :<( 21:37:32 <Darkvater> that's known 21:37:55 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:39:47 <grimrc1> cp: omitting directory `scenario/heightmap' 21:39:48 <grimrc1> make: *** [install] Error 1 21:40:00 <grimrc1> is that normal? 21:43:08 *** robohomework [~Leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:46:58 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:47:14 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 21:47:20 <CIA-2> truelight * r6103 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (Makefile.src.in config.lib configure): [MakefileRewrite] -Add: make 'sort' optional (a bit hackis) and autodetect 21:48:32 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:49:42 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 21:49:46 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D07A.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:50:27 *** Sinnataggen [s-@217-197-132.531210.adsl.tele2.no] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 21:55:51 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: I quit!...] 21:56:21 *** terje [~terje@117.80-202-25.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:03:36 *** Guest56 [Gono@N883P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 22:04:27 <CIA-2> rubidium * r6104 /trunk/Makefile: 22:04:27 <CIA-2> -Fix: make install did not create a directory for the heightmaps 22:04:27 <CIA-2> -Fix: make install should not copy scenario as it is an empty map 22:09:11 *** orudge [~orudge@host81-132-175-237.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:09:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 22:09:19 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N891P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 22:10:14 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@250.148.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 22:11:40 <Bjarni> orudge: can you add dmg as accepted file extension to the forum. I forget that it's not accepted each time somebody asks for an OSX binary 22:11:43 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:11:56 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 22:11:59 *** Ammler_ is now known as Ammler 22:16:03 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: 'night] 22:16:45 *** Sjoerd- [~Sjoerd@ip54576152.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 22:17:01 <Sjoerd-> hi, is there any way to enlarge chat font size? 22:17:08 <Sjoerd-> ( ingame ) 22:17:19 <glx> no 22:17:58 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@252.121.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 22:22:32 *** Ammler [~Ammler@250.148.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:11 <Sjoerd-> ok thanks glx 22:27:59 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Trolleyride, more work at home!] 22:28:19 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:35 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D93E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:35:40 <Eddi|zuHause> on windows, you can type Ctrl+D 22:36:20 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:38:24 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: but that enlarge everything 22:38:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, including the chat ;) 22:42:35 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 22:49:07 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:53:01 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6105 /trunk/strgen/strgen.vcproj: -Fix r6089: add STRGEN preprocessor flag and string.c to strgen project 22:57:14 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-199.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:59:06 <izhirahider> how can I create a heightmap? 22:59:50 <ln-> take some paper, an altimeter and a pencil. 23:00:28 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 23:02:56 <Gonozal_VIII> never looked at a openttd heightmap... that's just a picture with a different color for each height level, isn't it? 23:03:24 <Bjarni> take 16 papers, each one of them in a different colour. Put them on top of each other and cut them to make the hills (remember to cut in one layer at a time) 23:03:41 <Bjarni> put the result in a scanner and send the scanned pic to openttd 23:04:02 <izhirahider> Did you write the desc. in the wiki? I was looking but can't find it 23:04:15 <Bjarni> make sure that you use the right colours so that openttd can understand it. You might have to edit the scanned image before giving it to openttd 23:06:04 <izhirahider> heightmap is a bitch to translate into something that makes sense to what it actually represent 23:06:22 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:06:35 <Bjarni> oh you want to know how it works so you can translate the strings for it? 23:06:51 <Rubidium> izhirahider: there are two kinds of heightmap OTTD understands. The first one has a palette of size 16 and the index or the palette entry is used for the height. The other is by using a 'normal' color/grayscale image and then it uses the luminosity of the pixels 23:07:16 <izhirahider> Bjarni, I don't want to translate into a thing that is correct but doesn't make sense in the game 23:07:36 <izhirahider> is there one online I can pick up? 23:07:50 <Rubidium> look in the TGP thread 23:07:56 <Sjoerd-> is there some command to change breakdowns on/off during game? 23:07:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd look around in the forum 23:08:12 <Eddi|zuHause> also RichK said he had some 23:08:40 *** sayno [~sayno@ip67-88-107-227.z107-88-67.customer.algx.net] has joined #openttd 23:09:10 <grimrc1> Sjoerd-: haven't you asked this before? 23:09:37 <Sacro> yeah he has 23:09:54 <Sjoerd-> i don't think so 23:10:02 <grimrc1> Sjoerd-: feel like hacking one yourself? 23:10:20 <Rubidium> izhirahider: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26654 23:10:33 <Sjoerd-> ok so i take it's not possible 23:10:47 <grimrc1> Sjoerd-: you want GUI option or console command or both? 23:11:03 <Sjoerd-> console 23:11:17 <Sjoerd-> i have tried to find it on wiki 23:11:21 <Sjoerd-> but doesn't seem to be there :( 23:11:35 <grimrc1> Sjoerd-: assuming the game engine will let you turn it on and off during the game, then setting up a console command is fairly easy 23:11:51 <Sjoerd-> ok 23:11:59 <grimrc1> so ... er ... get to it 23:12:01 <grimrc1> heh 23:13:23 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 23:13:57 <grimrc1> is there more than one 0.4.8 revision? I've got const char _openttd_revision[] = "0.4.8"; coming up in my diff 23:14:20 <Patrick`> no. 23:14:33 <grimrc1> oh it's the make 23:15:20 <Patrick`> "Explosion blows up bomb-recycling plant. Investigators looking into possible causes" 23:15:25 <izhirahider> Rubidium, thanks 23:15:25 <Patrick`> headline of the week 23:16:03 <grimrc1> Sjoerd-: does the GUI have an option to use during the game? 23:16:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:52 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 23:17:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:17:04 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe it was a bomb? 23:17:05 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 23:17:27 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@80-235-121-66-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 23:17:37 <JohnUK89> Ello all :) 23:17:43 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 23:17:54 <JohnUK89> Gonozal_VIII, ello 23:19:31 <Sacro> oh noes... 23:19:39 <JohnUK89> Old :P 23:20:10 <JohnUK89> But ello anyway ;) 23:20:58 *** Ammler_ is now known as Ammler_pfuus 23:21:49 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@80-235-121-66-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:44 <Sjoerd-> grimrc1: yes there is 23:23:08 <grimrc1> Sjoerd-: if that option works during the game, then making a console command to do it should be almost trivial 23:25:05 <Sjoerd-> but maybe there is one available? 23:31:31 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:35:19 <Sacro> " Martin Barreto, 49, a former aide to then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani, was discovered naked with KY Jelly and a condom next to his body, authorities said." 23:35:54 <Patrick`> at least he had fun 23:36:43 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 23:36:43 <lws1984> !logs 23:36:46 <lws1984> thanks 23:37:18 <Sacro> " Good: Man tries skydiving. Bad: Parachute fails. Good: Backup parachute saves man from certain death. Bad: Aren't those power lines?" 23:37:25 <lws1984> so Sacro , was that just random? 23:38:03 <Sacro> lws1984: nah, reading fark 23:38:43 <lws1984> aaaah 23:41:34 <Sacro> Sneaky Russians at border crossing try to dig their way to Germany with a shoehorn, end up in Poland instead, then try to dig back to Germany only to end up in Russia again. Men to be given honorary Polish citizenships 23:42:03 <lws1984> hahahahaha 23:44:04 <Sacro> hehe, amusing 23:51:45 *** JohnUK89 [~john@149.254.200.215] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:54:21 <pv2b> Sacro: russia doesn't even share a border with germany does it? 23:54:37 <Sacro> pv2b: no... musta been a lot of digging 23:57:44 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 23:57:59 <RichK67> TrueLight ping 23:58:06 <Sacro> RichK67! hows you? 23:58:19 <RichK67> busy 23:58:25 <RichK67> !seen TrueLight 23:58:26 <_42_> RichK67, if you can't see TrueLight here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ 23:58:44 <Sacro> thats a stupid response :( 23:58:56 <Sacro> he hasnt spoken in the past hour 23:59:00 <RichK67> useless - it should tell me when he was last active 23:59:21 <RichK67> damn - i hate the new time he has set for MiniIN... 1am UK... terrible 23:59:35 <Sacro> :S 23:59:39 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D93E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:55 <RichK67> i have a BIG upload to do, and now it wont run until mon 2am CET