Log for #openttd on 25th August 2006:
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00:00:53  <Eddi|zuHause> CEST ;)
00:01:01  <RichK67> whatever
00:01:07  <RichK67> GB +1 hr
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00:01:43  <RichK67> not much point me uploading now... 3 days to go till next build :(
00:01:46  <Eddi|zuHause> does linux actually notify me when summer time ends? (like windows does)
00:02:15  <RichK67> i do a lot of my work late at night... (11pm - 3am UK) so a 1am build is a pain
00:02:50  <Eddi|zuHause> tell him to do 7AM ;)
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00:03:43  <RichK67> yeah - previous time was ok - just the days werent often enough
00:03:59  <veeroo> hi
00:04:14  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: depends
00:04:15  <RichK67> TrueLight: 7am CEST will be fine, thanks... (6am BST)
00:05:16  <veeroo> whos playin ottdminin?
00:05:23  <Sacro> quite a few people
00:05:27  <veeroo> i know
00:05:36  <veeroo> and is quite hard to play with sb :/
00:05:40  <Sacro> sb?
00:05:44  <veeroo> somebody
00:06:01  <Eddi|zuHause> make a server ;)
00:06:08  <veeroo> NAT :/
00:06:22  <Eddi|zuHause> configure the NAT properly!
00:06:25  <veeroo> wanna play?
00:06:32  <Eddi|zuHause> no...
00:06:36  <veeroo> its impossible - stupid damn admin...
00:07:00  <Eddi|zuHause> get yourself the root password...
00:07:33  <veeroo> hmm i was trying to spectate ur server (#openttdcoop) but password "coop" doesnt work...
00:08:08  <veeroo> Eddi: i wont talk with my admin hes too stupid for talking with anybody... :)
00:08:24  <veeroo> how can i spec ur company?
00:08:24  <Eddi|zuHause> who said something about talking? ;)
00:08:32  <veeroo> ;]
00:08:40  <veeroo> little hack ys?
00:08:54  <veeroo> yes?*
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00:10:04  <veeroo> Eddi r u the member of #openttdcoop?
00:10:33  <Eddi|zuHause> no
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00:11:07  <veeroo> hmm wanna play ottd?
00:11:15  <veeroo> im a little bored
00:11:17  <veeroo> :P
00:11:51  <Eddi|zuHause> my connection is not exactly suitible for multiplayer ;)
00:12:07  <Eddi|zuHause> (besides i already said "no")
00:14:19  <veeroo> i said no for mini in ;p
00:14:38  <veeroo> but ok if dont want to nevermind :)
00:15:04  <RichK67> how can i tell make to just rebuild all language files
00:15:25  <RichK67> edit english.txt :)
00:15:32  <RichK67> doh
00:16:03  <Eddi|zuHause> touch english.txt should suffice
00:16:18  <RichK67> yup - thats what ive done
00:16:27  <Eddi|zuHause> this btw. recompiles all files ;)
00:16:28  <RichK67> occurred to me as i typed my question
00:16:37  <RichK67> not if they are up to date :)
00:16:43  <veeroo> Rich: do u know something about some competitions in miniin? :)
00:16:45  <RichK67> only lang packs
00:17:04  <Eddi|zuHause> strings.h depends on english.txt
00:17:12  <Eddi|zuHause> and pretty much all files depend on strings.h
00:17:56  <RichK67> well - mingw must be good then... it didnt recompile the lot, just the lang packs
00:18:29  <Eddi|zuHause> either that, or some changes today screwed things up ;)
00:19:12  <lws1984> how does one report a bug for the MiniIN?
00:20:11  <Eddi|zuHause> there is a thread in the forum for that
00:20:22  <lws1984> aah, thanks
00:20:47  <Eddi|zuHause> (or, you could talk to the creator of miniin, which happens to be right in this channel ;))
00:21:15  <lws1984> well, I'd need to ask him anyway, as I can't find the older versions of it
00:21:20  <lws1984> RichK67?
00:21:37  <RichK67> yeah... what
00:22:10  <RichK67> err... try in the MiniIN problems thread in the Problems forum :)
00:22:43  <lws1984> ok then, and where are the old ones, since this one is farked from the start screen? didn't see it in the directory or in the post
00:23:24  <RichK67> which revision?
00:23:41  <lws1984> 6028
00:23:46  <RichK67> what is the behaviour? etc   can you be more specific than "farked" :)
00:23:53  <lws1984> :p, sorry
00:24:35  <lws1984> well, I double-click on the icon, it loads normally, then when I click on any of the buttons on the start screen, it freezes up completely, can't do anything
00:24:55  <lws1984> and then it'll start and stop sporadically
00:25:48  <RichK67> have you tried a) delete config.cfg, b) download a fresh copy and install to clean directory... r6028 works clean here
00:26:14  <lws1984> hmm, haven't tried eitehr, hold on
00:26:46  <Eddi|zuHause> does trunk work correctly?
00:27:28  <RichK67> trunk is miles ahead atm... im pulling MiniIN up to r6001 as we speak
00:28:49  <lws1984> deleted openttd.cfg AND tried a fresh copy, same behaviour
00:29:21  <veeroo> Iws: what platform?
00:29:29  <lws1984> Mac OS X
00:29:34  <veeroo> ohh
00:29:40  <veeroo> i cant help :)
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00:29:43  <veeroo> sorry
00:30:18  <veeroo> i use win :)
00:30:19  <CIA-2> richk * r6106 /branches/MiniIN/ (70 files in 5 dirs):
00:30:19  <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk r5946:6001.
00:30:19  <CIA-2> This includes a savegame bump to v41. Trunk now has v32, thus MiniIN games are now v33 upwards. Any MiniIN games prior to v33 will not load.
00:30:24  <veeroo> and linux sometims
00:31:43  <RichK67> no idea im afraid lws1984... you will have to talk with Bjarni when you next see him... he is the OSX expert
00:31:49  <lws1984> hmm, thanks anyway
00:31:59  * lws1984 goes to post on the bug thread
00:32:01  <RichK67> if you can download the svn, you may want to try the latest
00:32:17  <RichK67> that sync may have cures for you
00:32:19  <lws1984> nightly, you mean?
00:32:29  <RichK67> MiniIN svn
00:32:34  <lws1984> aah
00:32:48  <lws1984> well, never tried it, but it's worth a shot, does it have to be compiled?
00:32:52  <RichK67> yes
00:33:20  <lws1984> damn, don't have any compilers on this machine
00:33:30  <RichK67> or wait until i get the next automatic build sorted tomorrow
00:33:53  <lws1984> aye, that would work, the latest nightly has the stuff from MiniIN, right?
00:34:34  <RichK67> no - other way around
00:34:59  <RichK67> MiniIN has synced with the nightly to r6001 (so only 105 revisions out of date ;) )
00:35:14  <CIA-2> belugas * r6107 /trunk/strgen/strgen_vs80.vcproj:
00:35:14  <CIA-2> -Fix r6089: add STRGEN preprocessor flag and string.c to strgen vs 80 project
00:35:14  <CIA-2> Carbon copy of Darkvater's r6105
00:35:26  <lws1984> aah
00:36:10  <veeroo> how can i check what's new will be in next MinIin nightly?
00:36:40  <veeroo> only in changelog?
00:37:36  <RichK67> yeah - ive not added any new functions in the last week or so, because im struggling to get the thing back in sync with a rather busy trunk atm
00:37:56  <veeroo> ok
00:38:26  <RichK67> however, it now has the trunk TGP and date > 2090 features
00:38:41  <Bjarni> lws1984: revision 6090 works just fine here
00:38:47  <Bjarni> and now I need to get some sleep
00:38:54  <Bjarni> it's 2:38 here
00:38:56  <Bjarni> :(
00:40:02  <Bjarni> lws1984: if you keep having problems, then try to debug (in window mode. The debugger will prevent you from leaving the game in full screen mode, so you are fucked)
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00:40:27  <lws1984> debug?
00:40:31  <lws1984> woah, he's gone
00:41:11  <Eddi|zuHause> it is 2:40 AM
00:41:18  <CIA-2> belugas * r6108 /trunk/ (currency.c currency.h newgrf.c settings_gui.c strings.c):
00:41:18  <CIA-2> -NewGRF Feature: Implement currencies replacment via grf file.
00:41:18  <CIA-2> All properties can now be modified i.e:
00:41:18  <CIA-2> Introduction date for euro conversion
00:41:18  <CIA-2> Currency name, decimal separator, currency symbol (before or after amount)
00:41:18  <CIA-2> and the rate compared to the base currency, the british pound
00:41:20  <Eddi|zuHause> chances are, he's gone working ;)
00:41:32  <Eddi|zuHause> </irony>
00:43:19  <Belugas_Gone> RichK67, how bad has been the synching?
00:43:44  <lws1984> blargh, latest nightly fails, I'll just wait for the new MiniIN tonight
00:44:00  <Belugas_Gone> why does it fail?
00:44:04  <lws1984> oh wait... LongVehicles was crashing it
00:44:13  <lws1984> have to load ALL of the files, hate that
00:44:23  <CIA-2> richk * r6109 /branches/MiniIN/ (12 files):
00:44:23  <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: Fix. FS#286: This patch changes Get*Callback into Get8Bit*Callback and Get15Bit*Callback.
00:44:23  <CIA-2> Many thanks to Dalestan for MiniIN patch.
00:44:23  <Belugas_Gone> hehehe
00:44:44  <Belugas_Gone> gone sleeping
00:44:45  <Belugas_Gone> bye
00:44:58  <lws1984> tried to remove it before installing the nightly
00:45:03  <lws1984> gnight Belgas
00:45:05  <RichK67> lws1984: the current MIniIN in the MIniIN/files directory is still r6028
00:45:39  <RichK67> Belugas_Gone: TGP wasnt too bad - about 15 conflicts, mostly easy
00:46:13  <Eddi|zuHause> you got to the pool stuff yet? ;)
00:46:14  <RichK67> im dreading the r6040ish commits tho - TrueLight has done a ton of cosmetic changes and i have to check every line :(
00:46:51  <RichK67> ahh - its pool stuff, not cosmetic then... oh well, it will all be nasty
00:48:16  <veeroo> im gonna sleep
00:48:20  <veeroo> bye guys
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00:48:57  <lws1984> `well, just wondering, where are the previous nightlies?
00:49:54  <RichK67> MiniINs??? there is no miniin archive... gone in the mists of time... (i may ask TL to make me one)
00:50:13  <lws1984> hmm, bugger
00:50:17  <lws1984> aye, that's what I meant
00:50:22  <lws1984> thanks anyway
00:50:27  <RichK67> s'ok
00:53:19  <CIA-2> richk * r6110 /branches/MiniIN/copy_paste_gui.c:
00:53:19  <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: [CopyPaste]: Minor changes to remove compile warnings for VS users.
00:53:19  <CIA-2> Thanks to Frostregen for MiniIN patch.
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00:59:39  <RichK67> lol - CIA2 was just talking about you :)
00:59:56  <RichK67> [01:53] CIA-2: Thanks to Frostregen for MiniIN patch.
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01:09:37  <Frostregen> lol ;)
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01:14:36  <Frostregen> time to sleep
01:14:39  <Frostregen> gn
01:19:28  <RichK67> gn
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01:22:23  <CIA-2> richk * r6111 /branches/MiniIN/ (10 files in 3 dirs):
01:22:23  <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: [DisableElrails]: Added Disable Elrails patch.
01:22:23  <CIA-2> This removes the elrails construction bar, and re-enables electric trains in diesel depots as per traditional TTD. It does not remove existing catenary - you have to convert that back to normal track to get rid of it.
01:22:23  <CIA-2> Many thanks to Maedhros for MiniIN patch.
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01:54:19  <Name> hello
01:54:38  <Louie> Hi
01:54:43  <Gonozal_VIII> hi
01:55:21  <Louie> I was actually wondering if anyone was interested in an online game, i have been playing TTD for years and years, but I have never plaied an online game
01:55:51  <Name> um...i would play but i have a bad internet connection
01:55:55  <Name> but ill play
01:55:57  <Name> if u want
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01:56:35  <name101> i made no sence at all ^_^
01:57:44  <Louie> lol yeah i didnt follo
01:57:45  <Louie> w
01:58:09  <name101> i will play but i might cut out a little bit
01:58:19  <name101> is that ok
01:59:14  <Gonozal_VIII> a slow connection is not much of a problem
01:59:39  <name101> well last time i tried to connect to a server i kept on cutting out
01:59:50  <Louie> might have been the server's problem
02:00:00  <Louie> Anyone else want to join in though?
02:00:07  <name101> ah.. i dint think of that.
02:00:18  <name101> are u using 0.4.8 std?
02:00:33  <Gonozal_VIII> i will sleep soon.. its 4 am here
02:00:51  <name101> 100 pm
02:01:31  <Louie> 9pm
02:01:41  <Louie> uh, im not sure
02:01:48  <Louie> the latest one thats on the download page
02:02:02  <Louie> I just discovered OTTD, i was running TTD patch for a long time
02:02:13  <name101> ah yeah same as myself
02:02:32  <Louie> But its not updated much anymore sadly
02:02:49  <name101> well as long as its 0.4.8
02:02:55  <Gonozal_VIII> i discovered it about a month ago... i like the miniin best
02:03:04  <Louie> what is miniin?
02:03:12  <Louie> i keep seeing it mentioned but i dont know what it is
02:03:18  <name101> same
02:03:24  <Gonozal_VIII> a version with tons of patches included
02:03:35  <name101> ohk
02:03:54  <Gonozal_VIII> [04:02:31] <Louie> But its not updated much anymore sadly <-- last update was 40 minutes ago
02:04:05  <Louie> of TTD patch?
02:04:15  <Gonozal_VIII> ah.. sry^^
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02:04:38  <Name101|AFk> sorry i have to go for a little while
02:04:50  <Louie> yeah OTTD seems much more active
02:05:13  <Name101|AFk> i think because of Multiplayer
02:06:04  <Gonozal_VIII> if you stay in this channel, you will see all the changes, CIA-2 bot pastes them in
02:08:28  <Louie> nifty
02:09:31  <Louie> I'm jsut psyced to have someone to play against, I never plaied witht he AI on because its so flaming stupid
02:09:52  <Louie> is OTTD Ai better?
02:10:54  <Gonozal_VIII> i never play against ai but as far as i have heard, it's even wors
02:11:01  <Gonozal_VIII> +e
02:11:27  <lws1984> AI is teh lamezors
02:13:13  <Gonozal_VIII> there should be some 0.4.8 servers running, maybe you want to join one of them
02:14:38  <Louie> how do i find out what IP they are on?
02:14:45  <Gonozal_VIII> just start the game, click multiplayer, find server and join one with a green circle (same version as yours)
02:14:58  <Eddi|zuHause> there is a better roadvehicle ai, but i never tried it
02:15:04  <Louie> oh I see
02:15:09  <Louie> woohoo!
02:15:54  <Louie> what the X/10-X-8 mean?
02:16:02  <Louie> X/10-X/8
02:16:08  <Louie> Where X=intiger
02:16:18  <Gonozal_VIII> number of companies and players
02:16:26  <Eddi|zuHause> but it's a general problem of ais that they are quite good in the a part, but definitely lack i ;)
02:16:36  <Louie> ok cool
02:17:47  <Louie> is there any way to sort them by current date?
02:19:20  <Eddi|zuHause> if anyone searches me, i am where i belong at this hour...
02:19:53  <Gonozal_VIII> gute nacht... ich geh auch mal
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02:45:48  <CIA-2> richk * r6112 /branches/MiniIN/openttd.c: [MiniIN]: Fix. Corrected openttd.c to adjust dates when loading old MiniIN games as well as old trunk games.
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05:57:04  <TrueLight> Yeah! :)
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06:24:05  <CIA-2> rubidium * r6113 /branches/MiniIN/ (37 files in 3 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk r6001:6044
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07:23:04  <Cassac-> Hmm... now this aint a programming channel but in the one they can't give me a clean answer.. so im asking you gurus ;) Would i want to learn .net or win32 first?
07:23:57  <Cassac-> I even know it :P
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08:06:11  <Triffid_Hunter> Cassac-: i'd recommend learning cross-platform stuff, like C/C++, qt for widgets, sdl/opengl for 3d
08:06:20  <OwenS> Any of you ever used the Windows Live Messenger installer? It's utter brilliance...
08:06:49  <Triffid_Hunter> OwenS: yep that's typical microsoft software for you
08:06:58  <OwenS> Heh
08:09:21  <Cassac-> Triffid_Hunter, qt aint free for windows any more is it?
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08:12:06  <Triffid_Hunter> Cassac-: it's free as long as your program is open source afaik
08:12:21  <Cassac-> Triffid_Hunter, oh.. cool ;)
08:12:28  <Cassac-> Triffid_Hunter, no need for anything else ;)
08:13:52  <SpComb> hmm, qt...
08:14:30  <Cassac-> And it's Norwegian too ;)
08:15:48  <Nigel> whats this tgp_gui.c that doesn't seem to be in SVN that good ol' Visual C++ wants
08:18:12  <glx> Nigel: which rev
08:18:28  <Nigel> let me just check that it isn't in the master svn
08:18:49  <Nigel> current MiniIN
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08:21:12  <glx> MSVC 2005 I guess :)
08:24:12  <glx> Nigel: RichK67 forgot to update vs80 project file when he merged trunk tgp in miniin
08:24:35  <Nigel> ja
08:24:41  <Nigel> so i should delete that?
08:24:48  <Nigel> well, remove the lines
08:25:34  <glx> yes just remove tgp_gui.c from vs80 project
08:26:06  <Nigel> as good as done
08:29:17  <glx> !seen RichK67*
08:29:19  <_42_> glx, I found 3 matches to your query: RichK67, RichK67_wrk, RIchK67_wrk|eating. RichK67 (~RichK67@ was last seen quitting #openttd 7 hours 2 minutes ago (25.08. 01:26) stating "Quit: RichK67" after spending 1 hour 28 minutes there.
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08:33:05  <Darkvater> !openttd commit 6105
08:33:06  <_42_> Commit by Darkvater :: r6105 /trunk/strgen/strgen.vcproj (2006-08-24 22:52:58 UTC)
08:33:08  <_42_> -Fix r6089: add STRGEN preprocessor flag and string.c to strgen project
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08:33:22  <Darkvater> !openttd commit 6107
08:33:22  <_42_> Commit by belugas :: r6107 /trunk/strgen/strgen_vs80.vcproj (2006-08-25 00:35:11 UTC)
08:33:24  <_42_> -Fix r6089: add STRGEN preprocessor flag and string.c to strgen vs 80 project
08:33:26  <_42_> Carbon copy of Darkvater's r6105
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08:33:38  <Darkvater> Belugas_Gone: whatis that about?
08:33:46  <Darkvater> oh vs8
08:33:49  <Darkvater> hehe
08:34:18  <Darkvater> call it vs2005 please :)
08:34:37  <Bjarni> hmm
08:34:50  <Bjarni> glx managed to summon RIchK_wrk|away by using the bot
08:34:58  <Bjarni> now that's a cool bot :)
08:35:53  <OwenS> Darkvater: Whats wrong with calling it VC8? Heck, all it's project files have a nice 8.0 on the logo...
08:36:34  <Darkvater> it's VS2005
08:36:40  <Darkvater> we've called it that all along
08:36:45  <Darkvater> VS8 is a bit confusing
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08:37:42  <Bjarni> use the year. Then everybody can see that it's last year's software
08:38:24  <Bjarni> unlike Xcode. Apple released a new version two weeks ago
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08:39:26  <RichK_wrk> hi - someone called
08:39:44  <glx> RichK_wrk: yes
08:40:07  <glx> you forgot to remove tgp_gui.c from miniin vs80 project
08:40:55  <RichK_wrk> bah - M$ should work with makefile...
08:41:05  <Darkvater> :)
08:43:12  <Darkvater> !seen TrueLight
08:43:14  <_42_> Darkvater, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel.
08:43:17  <Darkvater> idiot
08:43:19  <peter1138> OwenS: also it's Visual *S*tudio, not Visual C
08:43:49  <OwenS> peter1138: Meh, VS, VC..
08:44:11  <peter1138> btw
08:44:12  <peter1138> morning :)
08:44:18  <Darkvater> morning :)
08:44:23  <Darkvater> how's the moving?
08:44:27  <peter1138> fine fine
08:44:50  <RichK_wrk> peter1138: since Visual Studio has Visual C and Visual Basic in it, as well as others, Visual Studio is not too definitive
08:45:05  <Nigel> it's Visual C++
08:45:14  <RichK_wrk> f****** pedants
08:45:26  <peter1138> RichK_wrk: the solution file is for visual studio...
08:45:34  <Nigel> because although you can still get Visual Studio, they have released individual components
08:46:18  <OwenS> peter1138: But the project file is VC, since it's .vcproj
08:47:24  <Bjarni> peter1138: I tried the Norwegian train set grf, but I got
08:47:24  <Bjarni> dbg: [nsbsetw.grf:8][Fatal] Designed to be used with 'unifiedmaglev 1' in ttdpatch.cfg.
08:47:25  <Darkvater> you guys still on about this?
08:47:40  <Bjarni> peter1138: any chance to getting it compatible with OTTD?
08:48:02  <peter1138> "unified maglev" will never be supported
08:48:08  <Nigel> at least OpenTTD is Vista compatible, thats all i care about
08:48:21  <Bjarni> I presume unified maglev is to make elrails available, so if we code that as "needs elrails enabled", then it should work
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08:48:49  <peter1138> yeah, well, stupid grf sets
08:49:03  <peter1138> that basically forces you to have el-rails enabled
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08:49:25  <peter1138> which we do... but then users complain about having el-rails forced, hehe
08:49:38  <CIA-2> miham * r6114 /trunk/lang/ (american.txt german.txt portuguese.txt):
08:49:38  <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-08-25 10:49:08
08:49:38  <CIA-2> american - 84 fixed by WhiteRabbit (84)
08:49:38  <CIA-2> german - 3 fixed, 2 changed by chu (5)
08:49:39  <CIA-2> portuguese - 2 fixed by izhirahider (2)
08:49:44  <Bjarni> the US set uses some check for elrails and it works for OTTD
08:49:49  <Darkvater> peter1138: but we have the cheat, so that works
08:49:55  <Bjarni> but this one is just lame since it fails even though we got elrails
08:50:03  <peter1138> have
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08:51:13  <RichK_wrk> MiniIN now has the elrails disable patch from Maedhros
08:51:19  <Darkvater> athletic carcinogenic answer caucasian choke declarative
08:51:21  <Darkvater> ah, yes
08:51:36  <Darkvater> what's up with this new spammail?
08:52:01  <peter1138> looks like they've william boroughs'd it
08:52:38  <Darkvater> RichK_wrk: I think that's a bit weird patch. Why not just rename the cheat to patches and use that?
08:53:00  <Darkvater> < hehe
08:54:15  <peter1138> i've not seen the patch. does it reimplement it or something silly?
08:54:18  <RichK_wrk> Darkvater: because that takes work - if someone does a patch that does that, fine - im not "developing" MiniIN, im integrating it :)   (Thats my excuse to get out of real work on the project ;) )
08:54:56  <Darkvater> RichK_wrk: how is that extra work? rename _cheats.elrailsall to _patches.elrailsall and you're done
08:55:03  <Maedhros> peter1138: it changes RAILTYPE_ELECTRIC to RAILTYPE_RAIL for electric engines. i don't know whether that qualifies as silly though :-P
08:55:08  <Darkvater> peter1138: I've seen it at a glance and it loops all vehicles
08:55:12  <RichK_wrk> peter1138: im not entirely sure
08:55:31  <peter1138> Maedhros: probably, as the code to merge them already exists
08:56:11  <glx> the cheat does the opposite: normal on electric
08:56:27  <Maedhros> peter1138: does it? the cheat doesn't disable building electric railways, which i assumed would be wanted if you didn't want elrails
08:56:32  <Darkvater> glx: you mean electric on normal ;)
08:56:43  <glx> oups :)
08:56:56  <glx> my brain is weird today :p
08:57:00  <Darkvater> Maedhros: would be 2 lines to check that and disable the entry
08:57:39  <Darkvater> Maedhros: +plus of course adding a check to the build-rails DoCommand which you have forgotten
08:58:05  <Darkvater> if you disable something it needs to be done in 2 parts: 1 GUI and 2 Command
08:59:08  <Maedhros> ok, i'll take another look / rewrite it in a little while then :)
08:59:43  <Darkvater> I still think it's more worth to convert the cheat thingie
08:59:46  <Darkvater> a lot less work
09:00:18  <Maedhros> that's partly what i meant by rewriting :)
09:00:41  <peter1138> otoh, it was done as a cheat for a reason
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09:01:09  <Darkvater> peter1138: what are you insuating by that?
09:01:32  <peter1138> nothing
09:01:36  <peter1138> i am, however, hungry
09:01:44  <Darkvater> that is however not good
09:01:47  * peter1138 idly looks at the gradual loading patch
09:03:24  * Darkvater idly asks about utf-8 and whistles innocently
09:03:52  * peter1138 idly thinkgs about obtaining food
09:03:55  <peter1138> -g
09:05:02  <Nigel> the afxres.h location on the wiki was broken, replaced it with a different source
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09:12:24  <Nigel> ".\ottdres.rc(57) : error RC2104 : undefined keyword or key name: IDC_STATIC" I thought IDC_STATIC was always defined?
09:18:08  <Darkvater> wasn't there a parameter to make that printed out how it calls each file to be compiled?
09:18:59  <RichK_wrk> ill be back later - when TL appears, can someone ask him to change the build *time* of MiniIN to 7am CEST, and run the build - i keep missing the 2am CEST (1am BST) deadline cos I work late at night
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09:25:02  <Nigel> Command Lines      Creating command line "rc.exe /d "_DEBUG" /d "_VC80_UPGRADE=0x0710" /l 0x41d /fo".\Debug\/ottdres.res" .\ottdres.rc"
09:25:03  <Nigel>
09:25:29  <Nigel> Darkvater, was that what you where thinking of?
09:26:03  <Darkvater> no, makefile
09:26:13  <Darkvater> but got it now; just edited it to print out
09:28:41  <glx> Darkvater: make VERBOSE:=1
09:29:19  <Nigel> i think i'll just go back to install freebsd
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09:31:34  <Darkvater> glx: thx
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10:22:08  <Maedhros> peter1138: what did you think of the gradual loading patch?
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10:47:00  <Name101> hello all
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11:04:19  <Darkvater> Bjarni:
11:04:22  <Darkvater> what do you think?
11:07:54  <Bjarni> oh, now I know what you mean by that :)
11:08:03  <Bjarni> I presume you got a positive feedback from MB :)
11:09:49  <Bjarni> nice
11:11:04  <Bjarni> would be even nicer if we got a new icon for each vehicle type, but one step at a time ;)
11:12:48  <CIA-2> rubidium * r6115 /branches/MiniIN/ (97 files in 4 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk r6045.
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11:13:54  <Darkvater> Bjarni: ;)
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11:14:32  <Name101> hello
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11:17:03  <Darkvater> hello
11:21:40  <TrueLight> Frostregen: ping
11:25:59  <guru3> i now hold in my hands an FX60
11:26:05  <Patrick`> mm
11:26:51  <TrueLight> anyone here has a native Windows with mingw installed, and can test a patch? (as in between now and 5 minutes :p)
11:28:55  <Patrick`> no-op
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11:29:47  <MeusH> hi
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11:41:52  <Sacro> :D WINDOWS XP on XEN
11:43:16  <Patrick`> hardware virtualisation is overrated
11:43:27  <Patrick`> back in 2001 some guys ported windows XP to xen the old-fashioned way
11:43:32  <Patrick`> it just was never publically released
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11:43:49  <Patrick`> if you knew where to go with a software developer license you could get a copy
11:44:29  <Sacro> Patrick`: yeah, but it tells me here how to install it
11:44:39  <Patrick`> neat.
11:44:59  <Patrick`> actually, is this hw virtualisation or did MS release a port?
11:45:58  <Sacro> Xen
11:46:15  <Sacro> hmm, VT or SVM
11:46:32  <Patrick`> yes, but xen doesn't run guests that have certain asm instructions in the kernel (or any ring0 stuff)
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11:46:43  <Patrick`> so you either recompile or have hardware virtualisation support
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11:47:21  <Sacro> must be hw
11:47:39  <Patrick`> on some brand new intels, then
11:47:42  <CIA-2> rubidium * r6116 /branches/MiniIN/ (72 files in 6 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk r6045:6087.
11:48:25  <Patrick`> my understanding is fuxxy but there are certain cpu instructions that can't be virtualised when the kernel uses them, or they'd interfere with the hypervisor (xen) and any other host kernels
11:48:36  <Sacro> new intels and amds
11:48:37  <Patrick`> I'm only explaining this so that people can correct me and I can learn in doing so
11:48:40  <Sacro> amds are faster
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11:49:09  <Patrick`> so, either you recompile the guest kernel not to use these instructions, or in newer cpus you can send an interrupt to xen to tell it when a guest wants to use these instructions
11:49:16  <Patrick`> which is computationally expensive and usually slower
11:49:18  <Sacro> its in a virtualised ring 0
11:49:21  <Patrick`> but the only way to run closed-source kernels
11:49:25  <Patrick`> anything wrong there?
11:49:44  <Name101|OTTD> Sacro: Amd's are faster for gaming
11:49:51  <Patrick`> what sacro said
11:49:54  <Sacro> Name101|OTTD: yes
11:50:16  <Patrick`> so it's effectively GAY-MD
11:50:18  <Name101|OTTD> Intel more for other crap xD
11:50:20  <Sacro> the idea is, is there VMX root, which is above the old ring-0
11:50:20  <Patrick`> where the gay is for games.
11:50:25  <Patrick`> disclaimer, I have an amd.
11:50:32  <Sacro> and your gay?
11:50:56  <Patrick`> hang on ... hardware support for ring -1 ?
11:50:58  <Patrick`> neat.
11:51:05  <Sacro> yeah
11:51:09  <Patrick`> anyway, gotta go
11:51:22  <Sacro> well ring 0 = vmx non root
11:51:27  <Sacro> and then theres vmx root above it
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12:26:37  <CIA-2> truelight * r6117 /trunk/ (stdafx.h strgen/strgen.c):
12:26:37  <CIA-2> -Fix r6097: on mingw it is normal that both / as \ are accepted as input
12:26:37  <CIA-2> -Fix r6096: detect for PATHSEP on WIN32 or WIN64, not UNIX
12:26:37  <CIA-2>  (Windows compilers define either one, while other compilers don't define a thing)
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12:31:19  <CIA-2> truelight * r6118 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ ( configure): [MakefileRerwite] -Fix: I hate pipes in bash, I can't get them to work.. an other ugly hack.. suggestions are very much welcome!
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12:32:26  <CIA-2> truelight * r6119 /branches/makefile_rewrite/src/ (stdafx.h strgen/strgen.c): [MakefileRewrite] -Forwardport r6117: on mingw it is normal that both / as \ are accepted as input
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12:36:30  <CIA-2> truelight * r6120 /branches/makefile_rewrite/configure: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: I stopped using the detected sort somehow :( (tnx glx :))
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12:47:33  <Tron_> (gdb) p _debug_spritecache_level
12:47:33  <Tron_>  = 3014657
12:47:39  <Tron_> anybody got an explanation for this?
12:48:37  <TrueLight> you thought it was funny to enter that number?
12:48:41  <TrueLight> Buffer overflow?
12:48:52  <Tron_> yes, overflow
12:48:58  <Tron_> while loading currencies
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12:49:03  <TrueLight> run elfence?
12:49:05  <TrueLight> valgrind?
12:49:12  <Tron_> Hardware watchpoint 1: _debug_spritecache_level
12:49:12  <Tron_> Old value = 0
12:49:12  <Tron_> New value = 1
12:49:12  <Tron_> 0x080f3d87 in WriteValue (ptr=0x822f718, conv=1347, val=1) at saveload.c:426
12:49:12  <Tron_> 426             case SLE_VAR_U16: *(uint16*)ptr = val; break;
12:49:19  <Tron_> #2  0x080f8b6b in ini_load_settings (ini=0x824d00c, sd=0x818df60,
12:49:19  <Tron_>     grpname=0x818b773 "currency", object=0x822f718) at settings.c:695
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12:50:04  <MeusH> bye
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12:50:08  <Tron_> TrueLight: neither efence nor valgrind will complain, because perfectly valid addresses get written to
12:50:08  <TrueLight> cool! Some currencies just want a higher debug level :)
12:50:17  <TrueLight> Tron: true
12:50:35  <TrueLight> [14:49:09] <@Rubidium> hmm.. rev 6108 is bad...
12:50:36  <TrueLight> [14:50:03] <@Rubidium> it looks like you've started with '-d 9'
12:50:45  <TrueLight> looks like you two have the same problem :)
12:51:08  <Rubidium> looks like it
12:51:11  <Tron_> seems to be the custom currency
12:51:22  <Tron_> it just wrote its conversion factor in there
12:51:28  <Tron_> i smell a obiwan error
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12:52:32  <Tron_> wow... it's even off by two!
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12:52:39  <Tron_> there are 25 currencies
12:52:46  <Tron_>   NUM_CURRENCY = 25,
12:52:46  <Tron_>   CUSTOM_CURRENCY_ID = NUM_CURRENCY + 1,
12:53:01  <TrueLight> someone forgot to adjust the number? :)
12:53:22  <Tron_> no, the line was explicitly added in belugas' last commit
12:53:38  <Tron_> NUM_CURRENCY _-_ 1 sounds more sensible, doesn't it?
12:53:45  <Rubidium> yup
12:53:50  <TrueLight> I have no idea what that ID means :)
12:54:09  <Tron_> it's the index in the currency array
12:54:26  <Rubidium> it 'should' just point to the last element in the currency array, for the custom currency
12:54:34  <TrueLight> then -1 is the right value ;)
12:55:42  <Tron_> isn't prefix, suffix AND symbol_pos a /bit/ overkill?
12:56:38  <Nigel> anyone know why i'd get ".\ottdres.rc(57) : error RC2104 : undefined keyword or key name: IDC_STATIC" when building with VC++ 8 (2005 Express)
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12:58:14  <CIA-2> truelight * r6121 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (225 files in 19 dirs): [MakefileRewrite] -Sync: sync with trunk r5641:r6108
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12:58:38  <TrueLight> oops, that was to 6120
12:58:46  <Rubidium> Tron_: if I'm correct it has to do with (some) global setting, 'do you want the currency symbol before/after the value' and therefore you need to specify both cases (but I'm not certain)
12:58:54  <CIA-2> tron * r6122 /trunk/currency.h: Fix an off-by-two error in r6108: it should be the index for the last element in the array
12:59:57  <Tron_> Rubidium: we have a string for prefix, one for suffix and then there's this bool - this makes not too much sense
13:00:08  <CIA-2> truelight * r6123 /branches/makefile_rewrite/src/currency.h: [MakefileRewrite] -Sync: sync with trunk from r6121:r6122 (last commit was not till r6108, but r6121)
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13:01:15  <hylje> fatal bug: linux/r5993 crashes after joining a multiplayer game with a queue
13:01:21  <hylje> openttd: network.c:1198: NetworkHandleLocalQueue: Assertion `0' failed.
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13:02:43  <Rubidium> Tron_: (0D & 0E too)
13:02:49  <hylje> really reproducable
13:02:59  <TrueLight> hylje: will check in a moment
13:03:10  <hylje> good
13:03:24  <Tron_> Rubidium: *sigh* i KNOW this
13:03:33  <Tron_> think about it:
13:03:47  <Tron_> - there's a string for prefix
13:03:49  <Tron_> - there's a string for suffix
13:04:07  <Tron_> - there's a bool which decides whether the symbol should be before or after the number
13:04:17  <Tron_> one of these three is unnecessary
13:04:39  <CIA-2> truelight * r6124 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ ( src/ottdres.rc):
13:04:39  <CIA-2> [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: adjust paths in ottdres.rc
13:04:39  <CIA-2> -Fix: make rev.o depend on FILE_DEP, so it recompiles when it should
13:05:50  <glx> hylje: is it reproducable in r6098 too ?
13:06:17  <Tron_> Rubidium: try changing the coloured newspaper starting date
13:06:40  <hylje> glx: havent tried, its not really easy to get a r6098 server with queue
13:07:00  <hylje> glx: but the openttdcoop sandbox has queues at times so..
13:07:02  <Rubidium> Tron_: both the prefix and suffix string should be set according to the newgrf spec and the symbol_pos says what the default is, though you can override that; not that I'm aware that you can override the symbol_pos in OTTD; if that is not the case it could just read the prefix/postfix depending on symbol pos
13:07:33  <CIA-2> rubidium * r6125 /branches/MiniIN/ (17 files in 3 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk r6087:6123.
13:08:13  <hylje> r6123 wasnt in trunk *g*
13:08:20  <Rubidium> Tron_: what is exactly wrong with that?
13:08:40  <TrueLight> hylje: creating that queue now
13:08:44  <Tron_> Rubidium: it just into the millions
13:09:00  <Rubidium> hylje: now you can never make the mistake, was 6122 in or not in the sync ;)
13:09:05  <Tron_> Rubidium: as usual the newgrf spec is retarded
13:10:34  <Rubidium> Tron_: true, but that is more a problem of the settings_gui; previously it skipped in steps of 4 years or so, now it's a lot more due to the fact that the boundaries are somewhat further away
13:11:03  <Tron_> then use something managable as upper limit
13:11:21  <hylje> TrueLight: need help? ill build latest trunk
13:11:37  <hylje> (that being 6125 at the time)
13:11:59  <TrueLight> hmm
13:12:02  <TrueLight> just found an other serious bug
13:12:03  <Rubidium> Tron_: that would also be the upper limit for the configuration file, and for the game_end_year
13:12:07  <TrueLight> I know about for a long time
13:12:12  <TrueLight> just never considered it possible:
13:12:18  <TrueLight> when a client joins, the server makes a savegame
13:12:22  <TrueLight> when an other clients joins
13:12:27  <TrueLight> the servers starts making yet an other savegame
13:12:34  <TrueLight> not giving the client the chance to download it
13:12:36  <TrueLight> bad bad bad
13:12:44  <TrueLight> (Savegame corruption is the result)
13:12:56  <hylje> yay, two bugs with one hit
13:13:53  <Rubidium> so I would rather add an option to specify the stepping than to limit the boundaries of those patch options
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13:23:35  <Belugas> thanks Tron
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13:27:17  <Sacro> hehe, how to start your own country
13:27:43  <TrueLight> hylje: tricky bug
13:27:52  <hylje> TrueLight: i figured, took so long :)
13:29:02  <TrueLight> oh, DAH!
13:29:06  <TrueLight> I was ghost hunting :(
13:30:05  <Patrick`> hmm
13:30:10  * peter1138 mutters about bugs reports against grf bugs
13:30:13  <Patrick`> I need a standalone xserver for windows
13:30:38  <hylje> cygwin?
13:31:04  <TrueLight> cygwin indeed
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13:31:49  <Patrick`> damn you cygwin
13:31:58  <Patrick`> with your pleasant unixlike enviroment
13:31:59  * peter1138 closes said report
13:32:02  <Patrick`> and LARGE install
13:32:13  <TrueLight> you can install ONLY XWIN
13:32:14  <TrueLight> not that big
13:32:18  <TrueLight> there are even pre-packed packages
13:32:21  <TrueLight> with only cygwin + xwin
13:32:25  <TrueLight> I believe 3.5 MB
13:32:25  <peter1138> then you don't get the nice bits
13:32:39  <Patrick`> yeah, I don't care
13:32:43  <hylje> what about the evil bits?
13:32:45  <Patrick`> just wanna run something remotely
13:32:53  <Patrick`> can't find any of the pre-packs
13:34:33  <Sacro>
13:34:34  <TrueLight> hylje: latest nightly shows no problems at all when joinin via queue
13:34:57  <Patrick`> ta sacro
13:35:03  <hylje> good
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13:36:45  <Patrick`> Sacro: that would consist of "doing it manually" ... but thanks
13:37:19  <Sacro> ?
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13:38:46  <Patrick`> the instructions consist of "install it" and "install x11-base"
13:39:00  <Sacro> :)
13:39:04  <Sacro> simple enough
13:40:45  <Sacro> Patrick`:
13:40:49  <Sacro> has XFCE and GNOME :D
13:41:12  <Patrick`> eh, I just want simple, I'll give it a shot
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13:51:09  <Bjarni> lws1984: did you find the cause of your problem yesterday?
13:51:33  <lws1984> Bjarni: no, tried the latest nightly also, with no luck
13:52:11  <lws1984> how do you run it in debug mode, anyway?
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13:56:59  <Patrick`> 6don't you have to build it in debug mode
13:57:58  <glx> lws1984: openttd -D
13:58:06  <glx> oops openttd -d :)
13:59:56  <Bjarni> <lws1984>	how do you run it in debug mode, anyway? <-- edit Makefile.config to set DEBUG to 3
14:00:00  <Bjarni> recompile
14:00:11  <lws1984> thanks
14:00:15  <Bjarni> start the game, set it to window mode and quit (this saves the setting in the config file)
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14:00:38  <Bjarni> ok, he will get the part about the debugger later
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14:23:55  <TrueLight> Tron: you areound?
14:23:56  <TrueLight> -e
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14:36:34  <CIA-2> truelight * r6126 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ ( configure): [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: makedepend doesn't like /bla things between his -- --, so rewrite them to -bla, so they get ignored (tnx Bjarni)
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14:54:26  <Brianetta> Well, here I am, checked in to the Apex in London
14:55:35  <Sacro> oooh, nice
14:56:11  <Brianetta> indeed
14:56:16  <Brianetta> I'll be using their wireless later
14:56:19  <peter1138> the what?
14:56:23  <Brianetta> It's £15 for 24 hours
14:56:37  <Brianetta> peter1138: It's a 4* near the Tower
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15:11:28  <CIA-2> truelight * r6127 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ ( [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: we have $(LANG_DIR), so use it :) (Rubidium)
15:15:05  <CIA-2> truelight * r6128 /branches/makefile_rewrite/src/scenario/: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: removed 2 dirs that got committed by excident
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15:23:46  <CIA-2> rubidium * r6129 /branches/makefile_rewrite/projects/ [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: is a script so make it executable.
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15:32:51  <ln-> does openttd work under cedega? :)
15:33:58  <Triffid_Hunter> ln-: heh why would you?
15:35:36  <ln-> the linux port could be abandoned.
15:36:31  <hylje> cedega is proprietary
15:36:46  <hylje> liek zomg
15:37:29  <Triffid_Hunter> hylje: cvs access was free last time I checked
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15:39:40  <ln-> hylje: well so are the TTD data files...
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15:44:12  <BruceMuggins> Hello out there? I was considering downloading openttd,but found that I need to own the original. Any comments?
15:44:54  <hylje> yarrr
15:44:58  <Darkvater> you are correct
15:45:00  <Patrick`> no, we won't help you pirate the old one.
15:45:04  <Patrick`> which you will need to do.
15:45:10  <Darkvater> yes, you have correctly read the readme
15:45:12  <Patrick`> possibly from an abandonware site
15:45:16  <Patrick`> or google.
15:45:22  <Triffid_Hunter> yeah it's not hard to find
15:45:42  <Darkvater> or from the forums where we won't point you to the sticky thread where they might or might not be present
15:46:03  <Patrick`> wink wink nudge nudge I seem to have a twitchy arm and a lazy eye
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16:26:21  <Zavior> What revision is 0.4.8?
16:26:48  <TrueLight> revision = version
16:27:14  <Zavior> Well urgh, you know what I mean :P
16:27:31  <Darkvater>
16:27:49  <TrueLight> and it is a version we released
16:28:11  <Zavior> Hurr, forget it
16:28:22  <hylje> :E
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16:34:21  <Bjarni> lws1984: just tell me when you are ready to debug your problem and I will walk you though it
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16:34:51  <lws1984> well, the problem is I can't get acess to Xcode, would UNIX work for compiling?
16:35:10  <hylje> xcode is gcc4
16:35:33  <Bjarni> if you got gcc, then it's ok
16:35:59  <lws1984> hmm, it appears I don't
16:36:12  <Bjarni> hylje: Xcode 2 got gcc4, Xocde 1.x got gcc 3.1 or 3.3, depending on which Xcode you installed
16:36:48  <Bjarni> lws1984: it is on the install DVD and available as a free download from Apple (800 mb)
16:36:50  <hylje> k
16:36:53  <lws1984> aah, thanks
16:37:06  <lws1984> I really should install devtools on this computer...
16:37:15  <lws1984> brb, got to find the disk
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16:42:28  <lws1984> sorry Bjarni, got to install the Developer tools
16:44:39  <Bjarni> you use OSX 10.4, right?
16:44:56  <lws1984> aye
16:44:58  <Bjarni> developer tools is for 10.2
16:45:08  <Bjarni> 10.3 or newer uses Xcode
16:45:10  <lws1984> well, Xcode tools is what it's called
16:45:17  <lws1984> but out of habit, I call it developer
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16:46:10  <Bjarni> on the software download on is Xcode located under "developer tools"
16:46:23  <lws1984> oh no, I have it, installing from the CD
16:47:08  <Bjarni> I understood that
16:47:28  <Bjarni> I just said that it is also under developer tools on their own homepage
16:47:42  <lws1984> yeah, true
16:47:58  <lws1984> didn't feel like downloading though, work connection is being a bit slow lately
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17:03:30  <lws1984> Bjarni: I've got Xcode installed
17:03:39  <Sacro> :o MAC USERS
17:04:04  <hylje> zomg?
17:04:10  <hylje> the mac is the best computer you can get
17:04:13  <lws1984> ZOMG! SACRO!
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17:04:18  * lws1984 agrees with hylje
17:04:36  <Sacro> yes, im planning on having a hackintosh soon
17:04:49  <grimrc1> hi guys; how do I view .grf files in Linux?  I'm wondering if openttd.grf is the 'Openttd' banner image that shows when the main menu does
17:05:11  <Sacro> grimrc1: grfcodec -d
17:05:24  <lws1984> openttd.grf?????
17:05:34  <grimrc1> yeah it's in data/
17:05:36  <Sacro> will dump the pcx and nfo, then use some kinda image viewer (ie gimp)
17:05:55  * Sacro `cat lws1984 > /dev/null`
17:06:00  <lws1984> oy!
17:06:05  <hylje> cat Sacro > /dev/dsp
17:06:08  * lws1984 sudo rm *
17:06:11  <lws1984> err.. no
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17:06:17  <Sacro> :o
17:06:18  * lws1984 sudo rm Sacro
17:06:28  <Sacro> YOU KILLED Rens2Sea
17:06:35  <hylje> :<
17:06:44  <lws1984> sorry
17:07:13  <Bjarni> <lws1984>	Bjarni: I've got Xcode installed <-- good. To make stuff easier, install fink ( ) and use it to install svn and libpng (really easy)
17:07:13  <lws1984> is Bjarni here?
17:07:15  <lws1984> aah
17:07:22  <lws1984> oh, I've got fink already
17:07:26  <Bjarni> good
17:07:31  <Bjarni> then install svn and get the source
17:07:36  <Sacro> !seen Bjarni
17:07:37  <_42_> Sacro, if you can't see Bjarni here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^
17:07:43  <Sacro> yeah, think i do :(
17:08:08  <ln-> Bjarni: does the fink repository ever update? i don't really remember 'apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade' ever showing new packages.
17:08:20  <ln-> package versions that is.
17:08:23  <Bjarni> ln-: fink selfupdate
17:08:27  <ln-> hmm
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17:08:40  <Sacro> hehe, cant spell verticle
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17:08:59  <lws1984> se, I didn't kill hi....
17:09:12  <hylje> hah
17:09:20  <lws1984> damm you, peer
17:09:27  <Bjarni> afterwards fink list -o and then you can see what outdated package you got and you can use fink update (package name) or update all to do them all at once
17:09:49  <Sacro> lws1984: you know...i think you might've
17:09:50  <Bjarni> it tells you everything on screen once fink selfupdate is done
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17:11:32  <lws1984> told you he wasn't dead!
17:14:05  <Sacro> heh
17:14:55  <lws1984> Bjarni: do I need libpng3-shlibs or just libpng3?
17:15:58  <Sacro> <xhtml xmlns=""> :| WTF IS THAT
17:16:27  <lws1984> We're sorry, but there is no Web page that matches your entry. It is possible you typed the address incorrectly, or the page may no longer exist. You may wish to try another entry or choose from the links below, which we hope will help you find what you're looking for.
17:16:33  <Sacro> i think i just discovered what microsoft mean by "standards complient"
17:16:33  <lws1984> nothing, apparently!
17:17:20  <Bjarni> lws1984: just libpng3
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17:17:38  <Sacro> windows vista looks scary
17:17:42  <lws1984> ah, thanks
17:17:45  <lws1984> Sacro: tell me about it
17:17:51  <Bjarni> then it will ask if you want to install shlibs as well, since it's needed
17:17:54  <hylje> its hideous
17:17:57  <Bjarni> then you say "yes" ;)
17:17:59  <lws1984> aye, it asked
17:18:05  <lws1984> and I just typed y
17:18:07  <Sacro> i got it on dvd here, Vista beta 2 and OSX 10.4.6
17:18:18  <lws1984> 10.4.6 FTW!
17:18:30  <Sacro> yeah :P with thanks to JaS too
17:18:31  <lws1984> ok, svn and libpng installed
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17:19:08  <Bjarni> you should never manually install shlibs manually unless you (like I did once) hit a bug in fink dependancies
17:19:18  <lws1984> hmm, no bugs here
17:19:25  <Bjarni> I know
17:19:31  <lws1984> :p
17:19:34  <Bjarni> I would have been in #fink again if it failed ;)
17:19:43  <lws1984> hah
17:20:00  <Sacro> ROFL
17:20:13  <lws1984> hehehehe
17:20:21  <Sacro> :D
17:20:28  <lws1984> ehehehe
17:20:31  * lws1984 kills Bob
17:22:44  <Sacro> :o it runs on XP
17:22:52  <lws1984> evil and evil!
17:22:53  <Darkvater> oh god, not bob
17:22:56  <Darkvater> clippy :(
17:23:15  * lws1984 killls Bob and Clippy
17:23:32  <lws1984> Bjarni: how do I use svn?
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17:24:07  <Sacro> :D
17:24:11  <hylje> :E
17:24:14  <lws1984> D:
17:24:21  <hylje> does it run on wine?
17:24:24  <Sacro> lws1984: svn co svn://
17:24:24  * lws1984 wonders if it will run on a MacBook Pro
17:24:28  <Sacro> hylje: not sure yet... :)
17:24:44  <lws1984> Sacro: thank
17:24:46  <lws1984> *thanks
17:24:51  * lws1984 modifies to use MiniIN
17:25:00  <Sacro> Vorstellung ?
17:25:09  <Sacro> lws1984: /branches/MiniIN
17:25:21  <lws1984> aah, thanks
17:25:56  <lws1984> wtf??? -bash: svn: command not found
17:25:59  <Sacro> "wine MSBOB.exe"
17:26:43  <Bjarni> *	lws1984 wonders if it will run on a MacBook Pro <-- fink, svn and openttd runs just fine on IntelMacs
17:27:04  <lws1984> Bjarni: I meant M$ Bob
17:27:06  <lws1984> :p
17:27:10  <Bjarni> oh
17:27:16  <Bjarni> well, my statement is still right
17:27:18  <Sacro> heh
17:27:32  <lws1984> too bad my svn isn't working
17:27:45  <Bjarni> that is what you get for doing three things at once
17:27:54  <lws1984> 3 things at once?
17:28:07  <Bjarni> watching news, coding OpenTTD, helping you
17:28:26  <Bjarni> I working on that shared orders GUI patch from the forum
17:29:01  <Bjarni> I don't think the patch writer can recognise it anymore... since now it's way better ;)
17:29:02  <lws1984> aah, wel, I'm eating lunch, checking to see if I spelled it wrong, and on IRC
17:29:04  <Bjarni> but still not done
17:31:06  <lws1984> should I have done svn-client?
17:31:31  <Bjarni> yes, but if you can check out the trunk, then you got what you need
17:32:42  <Sacro> :o
17:32:42  <lws1984> you mean in a browser?
17:33:02  <Bjarni> no
17:33:15  <hylje> AAAAAAAAA!
17:33:16  <Sacro> thats an impressive spec
17:33:28  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	lws1984: svn co svn:// <-- if that line checks out the trunk, then you got the app you need
17:33:43  <hylje> Sacro: some germans managed to run xp on a 7MHz
17:33:51  <lws1984> well, I got a "svn: command not found" or something like that
17:34:02  <Bjarni> then think install svn-client
17:34:09  <Bjarni> err
17:34:13  <Bjarni> fink install svn-client
17:34:14  <lws1984> aha, I installled svn-client, now it works
17:34:14  <Bjarni> :)
17:34:24  <lws1984> getting the trunk now, it's quite large
17:34:27  <lws1984> from the looks of it
17:34:27  <Sacro> :o OH WOW
17:34:32  <Bjarni> I know
17:34:48  <lws1984> Sacro: holy crap!
17:35:05  <Sacro> hehe
17:35:12  <hylje> booting that thing takes around half an hour
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17:35:18  <hylje> s/an/a
17:35:27  <Sacro> 8 minutes to load up the homepage
17:35:55  <Bjarni> how long to generate a 64x64 OTTD map?
17:36:25  <hylje> i think it cant keep up with ottd
17:36:33  <lws1984> mkay, I've got svn working properly, did svn co svn://
17:36:40  <lws1984> now what?
17:36:51  <Bjarni> cd miniIN
17:37:03  <Bjarni> make DEBUG:=3
17:37:09  <Bjarni> wait
17:37:51  <TrueLight> Sacro: XP on a 74MHz? :) Hahaha!
17:37:54  <Sacro> ahh the memories
17:37:59  <hylje> TrueLight: -4
17:38:01  <Sacro> TrueLight: thats nothing, see the next link
17:38:10  <TrueLight> for sure Windows Vista won't run on it ;)
17:38:16  <TrueLight> hylje: it states 74
17:38:16  <Sacro> it will
17:38:24  <Sacro> TrueLight: nooo, the 2nd link ;)
17:38:32  <hylje> TrueLight: 7mhz is possible
17:38:33  <TrueLight> Sacro: I don't believe that :p
17:38:44  <hylje> you better believe the screenshots
17:38:50  <Sacro> TrueLight: he has other shots, of the hardware, and other apps
17:38:50  <TrueLight> I don't :p
17:39:19  <Sacro> TrueLight:
17:39:56  <Sacro> Intel Pentium Overdrive 8MHz
17:40:01  <TrueLight> anyway, Vista takes 5 minutes to boot on a AMD 3400+, because the video card isn't good enough (tell me the connection)
17:40:09  <hylje> wow
17:40:16  <Sacro> wow, and a Quantam Fireball HDD
17:40:36  <Patrick`> impressive
17:40:37  <lws1984> Bjarni: do I do that or do I still wait?
17:40:49  <Patrick`> I've only gone as low as a 233 with 64 ram
17:40:51  <Patrick`> but ... a 486
17:40:52  <Patrick`> jesus
17:41:08  <TrueLight> I had to maintain 400 MHz 128 MB with WinXP.. hellish!
17:41:11  <TrueLight> updating took forever
17:41:13  <Sacro> hehe "The golden Sandclock Award For extreme waste of time."
17:41:15  <TrueLight> (30 of those stations btw)
17:41:35  <hylje> :o
17:41:47  <Patrick`> mmm sandcock
17:41:50  <Patrick`> er, hehe
17:41:52  <Sacro> a total of 9MFLOPS
17:42:00  <hylje> milliflops
17:42:06  <Sacro> 30 minute boottime
17:43:22  <TrueLight> The original supercomputer, the Cray-1, was set up at Los Alamos National Laboratory in 1976. The Cray-1 was capable of 80 MFLOPS (or, according to another source, 138\u2013250 MFLOPS).
17:44:02  <Patrick`> crays were insan
17:44:21  <TrueLight> <- I have seen, in fact, touched, #2 :)
17:44:38  <TrueLight> the list is only out of date, it seems
17:44:44  <hylje> a cray is so powerful it can solve a infinite loop in seconds!
17:45:14  <Patrick`> TrueLight: well, I saw the ISIS pulsed neutron and muon source
17:45:37  <Patrick`> and felt the neutrons in my retinas
17:46:57  <TrueLight> * 1997: about US,000 per GFLOPS; with two 16-Pentium-Pro\u2013processor Beowulf cluster computers, Loki and Hyglac
17:46:57  <TrueLight>     * 2000, May: 0 per GFLOPS, KLAT2, University of Kentucky
17:46:57  <TrueLight>     * 2003, August:  per GFLOPS, KASY0, University of Kentucky
17:46:57  <TrueLight>     * 2005: about  per GFLOPS in the XBOX 360 in case Linux will be implented as intended [1]
17:46:57  <TrueLight>     * 2006, February: about  per GFLOPS in ATI PC add-in graphics card (X1900 architecture)
17:47:00  <TrueLight> nice facts :)
17:47:09  <Patrick`> mm
17:47:12  <Patrick`> what about the cell
17:47:25  <Patrick`> optimised for disturbinly good 32-bit flop performance
17:50:32  <Bjarni> <lws1984>	Bjarni: do I do that or do I still wait? <-- eventually it will be done compiling
17:50:50  <Bjarni> then you copy the TTD files into the data dir
17:51:27  <Bjarni> then you run the game, ensure that it is in window mode and then you quit
17:51:41  <Sacro> "instead preferring to stick with PCs, printers, and not killing people in fiery laptop-related explosions"
17:51:45  <Bjarni> run the game with ./openttd
17:51:55  <Bjarni> lws1984: still here?
17:52:36  * Sacro waits for ping timeout
17:53:27  <Bjarni> <TrueLight> <- I have seen, in fact, touched, #2 :) <-- nice, but where is the full list?
17:53:35  <hylje> ?
17:53:45  <TrueLight> check bottom indeed
17:54:04  <Sacro> it just keeps getting worse...
17:54:17  <Sacro> [18:46] <TrueLight> <- I have seen, in fact, touched, #2 :)
17:54:24  <Sacro> [18:56] <TrueLight> check bottom indeed
17:54:27  <Sacro> D:
17:54:30  <TrueLight> ass
17:54:36  <Sacro> hehe, even better!
17:54:52  <hylje> <TrueLight> <- I have seen, in fact, touched, #2 :)
17:54:55  <hylje> hi TrueLight !
17:55:37  <TrueLight> hi hylje
18:01:42  <lws1984> Bjarni: aye, sorry
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18:02:26  <lws1984> so I run svn make DEBUG:3 svn://
18:02:27  <lws1984> right?
18:02:52  <Bjarni> no
18:03:05  <Bjarni> you check out the source with svn
18:03:09  <Bjarni> I think you already did that
18:03:16  <Bjarni> then you cd into that dir
18:03:23  <Bjarni> and run make DEBUG:=3
18:03:41  <Bjarni> the source is the same for both debug and release builds ;)
18:04:30  <lws1984> so I do svn co <trunk>, then where does that end up, cd doesn't work
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18:05:13  <CIA-2> glx * r6130 /branches/MiniIN/openttd_vs80.vcproj: [MiniIN] -Fix(r6027): tgp_gui.c was not removed from VS2005 project file
18:05:31  <Tron> in a directory with the same name as the last component of the URL
18:05:55  <lws1984> aah
18:06:07  <lws1984> aha, yeah search!
18:06:08  <lws1984>
18:06:11  <Tron> how about rtfm?
18:06:12  <lws1984> eh.. what?
18:06:19  <lws1984> not Tron, the pasting there
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18:16:24  <MeusH> hey
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18:21:46  <scia> Heya!
18:21:59  <lws1984> Bjarni: finished compiling
18:22:18  <Bjarni> good
18:22:37  <Bjarni> then you run ./openttd
18:22:43  <Bjarni> see if the problem is still there
18:23:09  <lws1984> ./ ?
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18:23:46  <lws1984> oh wait, wrong directory
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18:23:51  * lws1984 slaps himself on the head
18:25:42  * scia helps lws1984 with slapping
18:25:46  <lws1984> thanks
18:25:54  * lws1984 goes to find TTD files
18:26:13  <Bjarni> put them in the data dir
18:26:20  <Bjarni> (like I said earlier)
18:26:57  <lws1984> aye, I figured that much
18:27:22  <lws1984> yay, it's not freezing!
18:27:26  <lws1984> on any of the buttons!
18:27:40  * lws1984 loads his GRF's and scenarios
18:27:42  <lws1984> thanks Bjarni
18:28:06  <Bjarni> hmm
18:28:21  <Bjarni> which brings up an interesting question: why did it freeze before?
18:28:53  <lws1984> indeed, 'tis puzzling
18:29:20  <Bjarni> if you want to play it with the binary you compiled yourself, you should edit Makefile.config and remove DEBUG (remove the 3 after the = )
18:29:30  <Bjarni> debug builds are too slow for normal gaming
18:29:34  <lws1984> aah, thanks
18:30:11  <Bjarni> it is designed to keep track of contents of variables and so on and code optimisation is turned off when compiling
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18:33:00  <lws1984> I can delete all those code files and such (everything behind what's in a normal OpenTTD folder), right?
18:33:24  <hylje> you may but i'd not do that
18:33:28  <hylje> it slows down upgrading
18:33:46  <lws1984> aah, ok then
18:36:29  <Bjarni> yeah, just keep it
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18:36:36  <Bjarni> keep them
18:36:39  <lws1984> ok, thanks
18:36:52  <Bjarni> now you can also get patches and compile them yourself
18:37:20  <Bjarni> using the clever command "patch -i filename"
18:37:30  <lws1984> ooh, neat
18:37:40  <Bjarni> svn revert -R .
18:37:53  <Bjarni> removes all patches and make your source code like the trunk again
18:38:02  <lws1984> hm, thanks
18:38:04  <Bjarni> will update to the newest trunk
18:38:05  * lws1984 goes to RTFM
18:38:36  <Bjarni> and svn up -r xxxx updates to revision xxxx, even if it is an older one. Useful for figuring out when a bug was introduced
18:39:03  <hylje> svn up updates to latest without arguments
18:40:42  <Bjarni> now I spent so much time helping lws1984 and I didn't even get a bug to solve :(
18:41:25  <Bjarni> at this speed of getting/learning stuff, lws1984 will be a master coder in a month or so
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18:42:00  <lws1984> :p
18:42:12  <lws1984> well, I don't know about that, graphics was always my best task
18:42:29  <Bjarni> meaning you can fix the cocoa video driver?
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18:42:41  <Bjarni> or draw sprites kind of graphics?
18:43:15  <lws1984> sprites, I mean
18:43:23  <lws1984> artist, I should have said
18:43:29  <Bjarni> <-- Apple is recalling iBook/powerbook/Macbook Pro batteries due to risk of fires. It turns out that they used the same subcontractor (Sony) as Dell for batteries
18:43:37  <Bjarni> just in case you didn't notice
18:43:50  <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey: that info is for you as well
18:44:05  <MaulingMonkey> !
18:45:01  <lws1984> Bjarni: aye, my G3 has a G4 battery and it qualifies
18:45:11  <lws1984> new battery, w00t!
18:45:12  <Sacro> ah well, kill off a few mac users, no big loss
18:45:21  <lws1984> Sacro: Mac users make the world go round!
18:45:45  <Sacro> lws1984: well point the mac east, make it spin faster when it goes up
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18:45:53  *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [wrong thing to say when only mac users are present]
18:45:53  <JonRox> -=[InFo KiCk]=- Bjarni ha kickato Sacro
18:46:00  <hylje> :O
18:46:00  <Bjarni> o_O
18:46:09  <MaulingMonkey> My 14" is not affected \o/
18:46:23  <Bjarni> wtf is JonRox for a bot?
18:46:26  <lws1984> MaulingMonkey: hey, that's bad, no new free battery for you!
18:46:42  <MaulingMonkey> Psssch, it's new enough I don't need one.
18:46:46  <Bjarni> yeah, replacement batteries are always good
18:46:58  <lws1984> well, mine is from.. when they introduced the iBook G4
18:47:16  <MaulingMonkey> Then yes, a free new battery would suit you well :-)
18:47:23  <lws1984> hehe, 2-ish year old battery in a 5 year old computter
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18:47:40  <lws1984> too bad the colors don't match
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18:57:08  <smeding> captain obvious bots suck
18:57:14  <smeding> and woo, that's the first thing i've said here
18:57:21  <smeding> well, since #openttd moved servers anyway.
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19:18:19  <CIA-2> belugas * r6131 /trunk/newgrf.c:
19:18:19  <CIA-2> -Codechange : Complete all missing _ttdpatch_flags entries
19:18:19  <CIA-2> -Feature : both unifiedmaglevmode are now set.
19:18:19  <CIA-2> Maglev and monorail are not allowed to run on each other tracks and will not be.
19:18:19  <CIA-2> Setting those flags will allow grfsets as the Norvegian one to be loaded
19:18:20  <CIA-2> -Codechange : link the TTDPatch's irregularstations with OTTD's nonuniform_stations
19:18:22  <CIA-2> -Codechange : Reformat the whole array (thanks Rubidium, it sure looks better now)
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19:23:00  <MeusH> hey, I'd like someone speaking Deutsch to help me, please
19:23:43  <Sacro_> MeusH: ja?
19:24:14  <MeusH> In sentence "Szuwarowa strasse 7" - should strasse be upper or lower case, also should it be "ss" or sharfen es?
19:24:25  <MeusH> and is it the right order of the words?
19:24:41  <Sacro_> afaik sharfen es was deprecated
19:24:45  <Sacro_> ß you mean?
19:24:48  <MeusH> yep
19:24:56  <MeusH> well that's what I remember, but it is still used
19:24:57  <Sacro_> and strasse means street?
19:25:01  <MeusH> yes
19:25:11  <Sacro_> should be capitalized as its a noun
19:25:16  *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro
19:26:33  <Sacro> but then my german isnt brilliant
19:26:47  <MeusH> how about native speakers, please?
19:26:59  <MeusH> Strasse or Straße?
19:27:31  <Sacro> i think its Strasse
19:29:43  <MeusH> allrighty
19:29:44  <MeusH> thanks
19:30:28  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's Straße
19:30:42  <Eddi|zuHause2> after long vowel and diphtong, write ß
19:30:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> that is the new rule
19:31:12  <Eddi|zuHause2> but it is perfectly legal to use ss, if you do not have an ß
19:31:30  <Sacro> i think i lost my ß :(
19:31:37  <Kjetil> ß ?
19:31:42  <Eddi|zuHause2> so nobody would really mind...
19:32:03  <TrueLight> I rarely use a ringleS, always ss, because I can't type the other one :p
19:32:08  <TrueLight> (and hated to write it down)
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19:32:26  <Eddi|zuHause2> btw. the name is "sz"
19:35:23  <Sacro> ß?
19:36:40  <lws1984> Sacro is a ßitch!
19:36:50  <hylje> ssitch!
19:37:14  <Sacro> lws1984 ÷ 0
19:37:25  <MeusH> thanks Eddi|zuHause2, I'll use ß
19:37:26  * lws1984 shall be back later-ish
19:37:26  <hylje> divided by zero! o shi--
19:37:36  <lws1984> damn, I'm dea---------------
19:37:51  <Darkvater> c
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19:42:12  <MeusH> Eddi|zuHause2, I think some words should begine with a capital letter. I'd be grateful for pointing these out: gebem wir ihnen wieder ein strahlendes Lächeln
19:42:29  <CIA-2> belugas * r6132 /branches/XTDwidget/ (31 files in 4 dirs): [XTDwidget] -Synch with trunk r6063:r6131
19:42:34  * Sacro considers selling MeusH  a german
19:42:49  <Eddi|zuHause2> "geben"
19:42:56  * MeusH considers hiding Sacro in a container
19:43:10  <Eddi|zuHause2> the beginning of the sentence should be capitalized
19:43:13  <Eddi|zuHause2> the rest is ok
19:43:18  <hylje> Belugas: widget revising?
19:43:48  <Belugas> yes, hylje
19:43:59  <MeusH> Eddi|zuHause2, what does mean wieder and strahlendes?
19:44:02  <hylje> about time :)
19:44:03  <Belugas> Lot of work still ahaead
19:44:23  <Eddi|zuHause2> wieder = again
19:44:31  <MeusH> okay
19:44:39  <Eddi|zuHause2> strahlen = what the sun does
19:44:46  <MeusH> shines?
19:44:57  <Eddi|zuHause2> no... more like "radiate"
19:45:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> but that is not exact
19:45:06  <MeusH> ohh, I see
19:45:16  <Belugas> hylje : first, remove the 32 bit limit on disable/hidden(done)/click
19:45:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> shine = scheinen
19:45:44  <MeusH> to emit the light maybye?
19:45:49  <Belugas> then, some magical self do it clickadiclack on buttons, hopefully
19:48:05  <Eddi|zuHause2> well... the meaning is not literal here ;)
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19:48:22  <Eddi|zuHause2> "strahlendes Lachen" is like a "bright smile" maybe
19:48:36  <Eddi|zuHause2> if that phrase exists in english
19:49:07  <MeusH> yeah
19:49:11  <MeusH> thank you very much
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19:52:52  <Bjarni> *	MeusH considers hiding Sacro in a container <-- you will be rewarded if you do that
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19:53:08  <MeusH> the problem comes with container
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19:53:22  <MeusH> I'd need a big truck or train to bring that container
19:53:32  <MeusH> it would be easier to spawn Sacro in OpenTTD world
19:53:47  <MeusH> it wouldn't be a problem to drag&drop him to a cargo train
19:53:56  <MeusH> and crash it in the tunnel
19:53:58  <Bjarni> nobody said anything about the size of the container
19:54:01  <MeusH> then destroy the tunnel
19:54:19  <Bjarni> it could be 20x30x50 cm and contain compressed Sacro
19:55:12  <Sacro> :o
19:55:29  <Bjarni> see, he is preparing to let out all the air from his body
19:55:46  <Sacro> i am not gzip'able
19:55:57  <MeusH> how about 7z?
19:56:01  <Sacro> no
19:56:12  <scia> isn't it a know bug that Sacro is midget?
19:56:13  <Bjarni> I meant mechanical compression
19:56:24  <Sacro> ouch
19:56:30  <Bjarni> scia: now that you mention it....
19:56:42  <Sacro> im 5'8
19:56:48  <Bjarni> not for long :p
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19:57:18  <Bjarni> btw how much is 5'8 in a human scale?
19:57:22  <scia> 5'8 will be 5.8 cm when we convert you to metric scale
19:57:28  <Bjarni> yeah
19:57:49  <Bjarni> NASA conversion
19:57:57  <Bjarni> 1 a = 1 b
19:58:11  <Bjarni> 1 cm = 1 foot
19:58:14  <Bjarni> and so on
19:58:19  <scia> I've never been good in maths
19:58:26  <Bjarni> o_O
19:58:36  <Bjarni> what is 2 + 3?
19:58:41  <scia> If you can't learn the rules, then make the rules
19:58:44  <scia> 6 :p
19:58:53  <scia> !calc 2 + 3
19:58:54  <_42_> scia: 5;
19:58:57  <scia> :o
19:58:58  <scia> :p
19:59:08  <Patrick`> what is 0?5:2+0?5:2
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19:59:17  <Sacro> !calc (10/3)*3
19:59:18  <lws1984> !calc pi x 2
19:59:18  <_42_> Sacro: 9.9999999999;
19:59:21  <_42_> lws1984: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
19:59:26  <lws1984> BOO HOO HOO
19:59:32  <Bjarni> <Patrick`>	what is 0?5:2+0?5:2 <-- 5
19:59:33  <Patrick`> !calc 1.0
19:59:34  <_42_> Patrick`: 1.0;
19:59:44  <Patrick`> !calc 0.1
19:59:44  <_42_> Patrick`: .1;
19:59:47  <Sacro> thats an easy one!
19:59:51  <Patrick`> aww, stupid floating point
20:00:33  <Bjarni> !calc pi * 2
20:00:33  <lws1984> !calc 2 x 5
20:00:33  <_42_> Bjarni: 0;
20:00:34  <_42_> lws1984: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:00:43  <Bjarni> !calc ? * 2
20:00:44  <lws1984> !calc pi * 2
20:00:44  <_42_> Bjarni: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:00:47  <_42_> lws1984: 0;
20:00:52  <Bjarni> !calc pi
20:00:52  <_42_> Bjarni: 0;
20:00:54  <Sacro> !calc 100!
20:00:55  <lws1984> boohoo
20:00:57  <_42_> Sacro: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:00:59  <Sacro> aww :(
20:01:29  <Bjarni> I thought pi was around 3,14, but now I learned that it's 0
20:01:37  <Sacro> 3.14159265359
20:01:41  <Bjarni> that makes geometry way easier
20:02:06  <scia> !calc scia * 2
20:02:08  <_42_> scia: 0;
20:02:11  <scia> :'(
20:02:23  <Bjarni> 2*?*r=0, nomatter what r is
20:02:31  <lws1984> woah, heightmaps!
20:02:44  * lws1984 shall have to fiddle around with this
20:03:01  <scia> lws1984: my heightmap is ~1.83m :)
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20:06:20  <smeding> newbs are just too much fun.
20:06:43  <smeding> we got this guy to tie a knot in his PC's power cable to make "less current flow through"
20:06:51  <hylje> :E
20:07:02  <TrueLight> hehe
20:07:06  <smeding> HYLJE ON SUOMALAINEN
20:07:10  <smeding> i think
20:07:19  <smeding> \o/
20:07:21  <smeding> also boredom
20:07:46  <Patrick`> !calc  define f (x) {if (x <= 1) return (1); return (f(x-1) * x);f(10)}
20:07:46  <_42_> Patrick`: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:07:46  <hylje> zomg
20:07:48  <lws1984> smeding: classic!
20:07:49  <Patrick`> damn
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20:08:48  <Belugas> :D :D
20:08:55  <Patrick`> !calc define f (x) {if (x <= 1) return (1); return (f(x-1) * x)};f(20)
20:08:56  <_42_> Patrick`: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:09:12  <Patrick`> ok, I'm done
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20:09:52  <Kjetil> !calc a= 1 ; b = 0 ; a/b
20:09:53  <_42_> Kjetil: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:09:57  <Kjetil> !calc a= 1 ; b = 0 ; a/a
20:09:58  <_42_> Kjetil: 1.0000000000;
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20:10:28  <Sacro> Kjetil: oooh wow!
20:10:36  <Kjetil> hardcore math
20:10:39  <Sacro> :o
20:10:48  * Sacro wonders about googling it
20:10:54  <hylje> !calc 1/0
20:10:55  <_42_> hylje: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:10:55  <TrueLight> Patrick`: it is not your fault, it should work
20:11:16  <Kjetil> 1/0 -> infinite
20:12:03  <Bjarni> TrueLight: it failed on pi :(
20:12:08  <TrueLight> Bjarni: dah
20:12:15  <Sacro> ah well, off out...
20:12:21  <Bjarni> !calc pi
20:12:22  <_42_> Bjarni: 0;
20:12:23  <Bjarni> !calc pi()
20:12:24  <_42_> Bjarni: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:12:30  <Patrick`> TrueLight: yeah, I just tested that one in bc here
20:12:31  <Bjarni> !calc Pi
20:12:32  <_42_> Bjarni: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:12:38  <Kjetil> !calc e^2
20:12:40  <TrueLight> Patrick`: I force scale=10
20:12:40  <_42_> Kjetil: 0;
20:12:43  <TrueLight> but clearly I force that wrong
20:12:46  <TrueLight> !calc e()^2
20:12:46  <_42_> TrueLight: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:12:48  <TrueLight> !calc e(2)
20:12:48  <_42_> TrueLight: 7.3890560989;
20:12:51  <Kjetil> ah
20:12:57  <Kjetil> !calc log(e(2))
20:12:57  <TrueLight> learn bc :)
20:12:58  <_42_> Kjetil: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:13:00  <MeusH> !calc foo=2; bar=3; foo+bar
20:13:02  <_42_> MeusH: 5;
20:13:06  <MeusH> omg it works
20:13:08  <MeusH> \o/
20:13:13  <Patrick`> !calc 2+2;5
20:13:14  <_42_> Patrick`: 4;5;
20:13:22  <Bjarni> TrueLight: I live in years named ad, not be. Those are old fasioned :p
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20:13:41  <hylje> !calc foo=2; bar=foo*2; foo*bar
20:13:43  <_42_> hylje: 8;
20:13:56  <MeusH> !calc pi=3,1415; pi^pi
20:13:56  <_42_> MeusH: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:14:00  <MeusH> !calc pi=3,1415; pi^2
20:14:00  <_42_> MeusH: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:14:00  <TrueLight> Bjarni: what the fuck are you talking about
20:14:03  <MeusH> !calc pi=3,1415; pi*2
20:14:05  <_42_> MeusH: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:14:07  <TrueLight> MeusH: decimal sign is DOT
20:14:10  <TrueLight> and fuck off testing the bot
20:14:13  <TrueLight> go to your own channel
20:14:14  <MeusH> !calc pi=3.1415; pi^pi
20:14:14  <_42_> MeusH: 31.0035333983;
20:14:15  <MeusH> thanks
20:15:49  <Bjarni> <TrueLight>	Bjarni: what the fuck are you talking about <-- bc = before Christ :p
20:15:57  <TrueLight> bad joke
20:15:58  <TrueLight> really bad
20:16:30  <Bjarni> anyway how do you get pi?
20:16:47  <MaulingMonkey> Well, go to a bakery...
20:16:55  <Bjarni> ...
20:17:02  <MaulingMonkey> And ask them for pi!
20:17:02  <Bjarni> pi, not pie
20:17:03  <TrueLight> !calc define f (x) {if (x <= 1) return (1); return (f(x-1) * x)};f(20)
20:17:04  <_42_> TrueLight: 2432902008176640000;
20:17:09  <TrueLight> there you go Patrick` :)
20:17:11  <TrueLight> some bug in BC
20:17:17  <TrueLight> scale=10; define blabla isn't allowed
20:17:21  <TrueLight> define has to be on the first line
20:17:22  <TrueLight> how weird
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20:19:34  <TrueLight> !calc 4*a(1)
20:19:35  <_42_> TrueLight: 3.1415926532;
20:19:38  <TrueLight> there is your pi :)
20:20:34  <Bjarni> hmm
20:20:34  <MaulingMonkey> It's pretty inaccurate.
20:20:45  <MaulingMonkey> that last digit should be 8, or 9 if you're rounding.
20:20:47  <Bjarni> !calc a(1)
20:20:49  <_42_> Bjarni: .7853981633;
20:20:52  <Bjarni> !calc 4*a(1)
20:20:55  <_42_> Bjarni: 3.1415926532;
20:21:01  <Kjetil> !calc a(2)
20:21:02  <_42_> Kjetil: 1.1071487177;
20:21:08  <Patrick`> if it's only a 32-bit floating point number that makes sense
20:21:41  <TrueLight> [22:20:34] <MaulingMonkey> It's pretty inaccurate. <- LOL! Just because last digit is wrong :)
20:21:50  <TrueLight> !calc scale=100;4*a(1)
20:21:51  <_42_> TrueLight: 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170676;
20:21:56  <MaulingMonkey> Hey, when I have more digits memorized than it's accurate to....
20:22:01  <MaulingMonkey> Aha!  There we go :P
20:22:06  <Bjarni> !calc 1(10)
20:22:08  <_42_> Bjarni: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:22:15  <Bjarni> !calc 1(2)
20:22:17  <_42_> Bjarni: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:22:21  <Bjarni> hmm
20:22:24  <lws1984> !callc yer_mum + Will_Riker
20:22:36  <Bjarni> err
20:22:36  <TrueLight> !calc scale=1000;4*a(1)
20:22:37  <_42_> TrueLight: 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094330572703657595919530921861173819326117931051185480
20:22:38  <Bjarni> what?
20:22:41  <TrueLight> I believe it can scale pretty well ;)
20:22:45  <Kjetil> !call Arnold Swartzneger + Chuck Norris
20:22:49  <TrueLight> a(1) is absolute correct :)
20:22:58  <Kjetil> erhm
20:23:02  <Kjetil> that should be !calc
20:23:04  <Bjarni> !calc a=1; a
20:23:05  <_42_> Bjarni: 1;
20:23:08  <Bjarni> !calc a=1; a(1)
20:23:09  <_42_> Bjarni: .7853981633;
20:23:19  <Bjarni> !calc a=1; b
20:23:19  <_42_> Bjarni: 0;
20:23:19  <TrueLight> Bjarni: to test bc, do it locally
20:23:21  <MaulingMonkey> !calc define f(x) { return f(x); }; f(42);
20:23:47  *** MaulingMonkey was kicked from #openttd by TrueLight [DO NOT ABUSE THE BOT!]
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20:23:47  <JonRox> -=[InFo KiCk]=- TrueLight ha kickato MaulingMonkey
20:23:54  <Kjetil> !calc a(a(a(a(a(a(a(a(a(1)))))))))
20:23:56  *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~chatzilla@*] by TrueLight
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20:24:09  <MaulingMonkey> :D
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20:24:35  <TrueLight> the bad thing is, it doesn't timeout
20:24:38  <TrueLight> it should in fact
20:25:09  <TrueLight> even worse, it kills the whole server
20:25:15  <TrueLight> Okay, calc script goes offline
20:25:16  <TrueLight> tnx MaulingMonkey
20:25:17  <Kjetil> oh ? *hides*
20:25:17  <TrueLight> :s
20:25:19  <MaulingMonkey> :(
20:25:31  <Kjetil> It's gonna blow
20:25:44  <TrueLight> the server doesn't have much room... very limited CPU and mem assignment
20:25:47  <TrueLight> something is _terrible_ wrong
20:26:12  <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey: now is your chance to say that you were only bug hunting ;)
20:26:28  <TrueLight> :s This really should never happened
20:26:28  <MaulingMonkey> Yeah, what he said!
20:26:45  <TrueLight> The whole server is now unresponsive
20:26:49  <TrueLight> (outside the VPS)
20:27:01  <TrueLight> which in fact is considered impossible
20:27:45  <_42_> Kjetil: .3830779110;
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20:27:51  <Kjetil> haha
20:27:56  <Bjarni> LAG
20:27:58  <TrueLight> it is your lucky day MaulingMonkey
20:28:03  <MaulingMonkey>  \o/
20:28:04  <TrueLight> load was > 50
20:28:10  <TrueLight> I guess it ran out of memory
20:28:33  <Kjetil> yeah. The kernel would probably kill it
20:28:39  <TrueLight> at a certain moment
20:28:43  <TrueLight> but that moment should be MUCH sooner
20:28:49  <Bjarni> it only took 5 minutes to reply to Kjetil
20:28:55  <Bjarni> now that's a quick calculator :p
20:28:57  <TrueLight> in fact, it is configured to kill processes much sooner
20:32:18  <TrueLight> !calc define f(x) { return f(x); }; f(42);
20:32:22  <TrueLight> hehe
20:32:26  <TrueLight> stupid scripts
20:33:01  <MaulingMonkey> At least this time it's not MY fault :P
20:33:10  <TrueLight> You are just the cause
20:33:21  <Bjarni> which is good enough for a kick
20:33:23  <Bjarni> or what?
20:33:32  <Bjarni> !stats
20:33:32  <TrueLight> he already had thatone
20:33:33  <_42_> Bjarni:
20:34:05  <Bjarni> he replied rather quickly to that one
20:34:19  <MaulingMonkey> !pie
20:35:10  <MaulingMonkey> Hmmph.  Boost's unit test framework needs macros for timeout tests.
20:36:48  <TrueLight> pipes in bash are funny things
20:37:01  <Patrick`> smagnificent
20:37:26  * Bjarni returns from the kitchen and gives MaulingMonkey a pie
20:37:35  <MaulingMonkey> \o/
20:37:36  * MaulingMonkey devours
20:37:49  <Bjarni> !money
20:37:55  * Bjarni waits
20:38:00  <Bjarni> this will be good
20:38:15  * MaulingMonkey finds a penny on the ground, and gives it to Bjarni
20:38:35  <Bjarni> I had hoped for more
20:38:42  <Bjarni> no more pies for MaulingMonkey
20:38:45  <MaulingMonkey> I'm a cheap bastard :P
20:39:02  <Bjarni> do you have Scottish relatives?
20:39:10  <MaulingMonkey> Not that I'm aware of.
20:39:32  <TrueLight> !calc define f(x) { return f(x); }; f(42);
20:39:34  <TrueLight> Good :)
20:39:38  <TrueLight> now it no longer crashes the bot
20:39:40  <Bjarni> btw do you guys know why we tend to say that the Scottish are cheap?
20:39:41  <MaulingMonkey> \o/
20:39:46  <TrueLight> I also don't have a way to report an error...
20:40:17  <MaulingMonkey> !calc print $CWD
20:40:19  <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:40:22  <TrueLight> hahaha
20:40:23  <TrueLight> :)
20:40:32  <MaulingMonkey> !calc $CWD
20:40:34  <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:40:37  <MaulingMonkey> good good :)
20:40:47  <TrueLight> I believe bc doesn't have such exploits
20:40:49  <MaulingMonkey> !calc system( "cwd" )
20:40:52  <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:41:16  <Bjarni> !calc system( "root password" )
20:41:17  <_42_> Bjarni: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:41:22  <Bjarni> nice
20:41:32  <TrueLight> you can't limit a process to run less then 1 second
20:41:33  <TrueLight> too bad :)
20:41:38  <MaulingMonkey> !calc system( "pwd" )
20:41:39  <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:42:01  <MaulingMonkey> !calc `pwd`
20:42:03  <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
20:42:28  <MeusH> MiHaMiX, what's that mail about?
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20:42:46  <Belugas_Gone> Weekend at last!
20:42:48  <TrueLight> !calc "; echo "`pwd`
20:42:49  <_42_> TrueLight: scale=10; ;
20:42:52  <TrueLight> hehehe
20:42:54  <MeusH> have fun Belugas_Gone
20:43:07  <Bjarni> ok, since nobody replied, I presume I'm the only one to know why we say that the Scottish are cheap. Here is the actually really simple reason. Before GB was formed, England conquered Scotland and the Scottish had to pay tax to the English crown. They didn't want to do that and have been called cheap ever since
20:43:08  <Belugas_Gone> thanks MeusH
20:43:12  <Bjarni> this was really long ago
20:43:15  <Belugas_Gone> Same f or all of you!
20:43:23  <TrueLight> !calc "; echo `pwd`; echo "
20:43:25  <_42_> TrueLight: scale=10; ;/home/truelight/.eggdrop/dorpsgek;
20:43:31  <TrueLight> Hehe :)
20:43:32  <MaulingMonkey> !!!
20:43:39  <TrueLight> If you know what is happening
20:43:41  <TrueLight> you know what you can do :p
20:43:57  <glx> change password ?
20:44:14  <Bjarni> log in with ssh and start hacking other computers ?
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20:44:29  <MeusH> !calc "shutdown"
20:44:29  <grimrc1> anyone know which function writes 'Openttd' in a font, above the main menu?
20:44:41  <MeusH> !calc "; shutdown"
20:44:42  <MaulingMonkey> !calc "; echo `/etc/passwd`;echo "
20:44:44  <TrueLight> grimrc1: main_gui.c
20:44:51  <MaulingMonkey> !calc "; echo `cat /etc/passwd`;echo "
20:44:52  <Patrick`> !calc "kill -9 -1"
20:44:53  <grimrc1> cheers
20:45:09  <TrueLight> grimrc1: look for many commented out lines
20:45:12  <Patrick`> only truelight will be able to do shell expansion ...
20:45:13  <Tefad> !calc e ^ (i * pi)
20:45:20  <TrueLight> I disabled the script :p
20:45:24  <MaulingMonkey> lol
20:45:24  <Tefad> heh
20:45:26  <Patrick`> aww.
20:45:28  <grimrc1> oh yeah; drawsprites
20:45:31  <TrueLight> I am not _that_ stupid :)
20:45:36  <MaulingMonkey> Good good :)
20:45:51  <TrueLight> I need to think about this...
20:45:56  <Tefad> anyway who the hell keeps passwords in plaintext any more?
20:46:08  <Bjarni> grimrc1: what do you plan to do? Write "OpenTTD by grimrc1" or something?
20:46:19  <Bjarni> you know that will never be committed, right?
20:46:20  <TrueLight> Tefad: you can't even open such files of course :)
20:46:20  <MaulingMonkey> Tefad: They don't, but the MD5 hash can be used to (eventually) find a working password.
20:46:42  <TrueLight> bash: line 1: /etc/passwd: Permission denied <- was the error MaulingMonkey made
20:46:44  <grimrc1> Bjarni: no no!  hehe; I plan to move the openttd sprites down to the centre of the screen when the main menu isn't shown, for screensaver/demo mode?
20:46:48  <MaulingMonkey> Typically they're stored in /etc/shadow or some such (man it's been awhile since I've used a linux bx)
20:46:53  <MaulingMonkey> *box
20:47:07  <Bjarni> grimrc1: ahh, good idea
20:47:09  <Patrick`> etc/shadow is afaik optional
20:47:18  <MaulingMonkey> Yes, and AFAIK typically enabled :)
20:47:18  <Patrick`> and readable only by certain programs
20:47:33  <Patrick`> eh, thel ast time I did a linux install with a choice was debian stable in 2001
20:47:37  <grimrc1> Bjarni: even better, would be to have openttd fade in for a moment, then fade out again, every 2 minutes or so; can I fade sprites in and out easily though?
20:48:07  <Bjarni> I don't think the engine can support that like it is now
20:48:30  <Bjarni> using 32 bit graphics might be able to do so, but not with 8 bit
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20:48:49  <grimrc1> oh well; suppose it'll just have to be centred
20:49:11  <Tron> TrueLight: which script language is this written in?
20:49:28  <TrueLight> Tron: sadly enough, tcl
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20:50:04  <TrueLight> so I have a hard time working with it :(
20:50:04  <Tron> you call system() or something like that?
20:50:09  <TrueLight> no, eval
20:50:12  <TrueLight> even; exec
20:50:19  <Wolf01> hi
20:50:24  <Tron> ok, that's broken by design
20:50:28  <TrueLight> bad I needed to call a bash-shall, because I needed ulimit
20:50:37  <TrueLight> bad that on his turn allowed breaking out :)
20:50:42  <TrueLight> Tron: suggestions?
20:50:50  <Tron> not without the source
20:51:04  <Tron> probably just a matter of quoting
20:51:07  <TrueLight> it pipes $arg to bc :)
20:51:21  <TrueLight> I am just searching if I can replace " with \"
20:51:36  <Tron> source
20:54:58  <Patrick`> neat
20:55:09  <Patrick`> if you tell kill to kill pid -1, it kills the current shell
20:55:36  <Tefad> probably just its spawning process
20:55:44  <Tefad> or rather parent
20:55:49  <Patrick`> well, more generally yes
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20:57:03  <Tron> no, all processes belonging to you
20:57:35  <Patrick`> shut up, I almost had someone ...
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21:16:01  <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: it should be okay now, feel free to test :)
21:16:04  <TrueLight> !calc 1+!
21:16:04  <_42_> TrueLight: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
21:16:06  <TrueLight> !calc 1+1
21:16:08  <_42_> TrueLight: 2;
21:16:27  <Patrick`> have you fixed the shell exec?
21:16:31  <MaulingMonkey> !calc "; print "your mom"; "
21:16:31  <TrueLight> it should
21:16:31  <Patrick`> !calc "echo hi"
21:16:33  <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
21:16:35  <_42_> Patrick`: echo hi
21:16:38  <Patrick`> huh.
21:16:44  <MaulingMonkey> !calc "; print \"your mom\"; "
21:16:46  <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
21:17:03  <Patrick`> technically that's a ... injection vulnerability?
21:17:09  <Patrick`> !calc 'DATABASE DROP
21:17:11  <_42_> Patrick`: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
21:17:14  <Patrick`> (hehehe)
21:17:25  <Patrick`> ops, I also got that wrong.
21:17:26  <Patrick`> yay me.
21:17:55  <MaulingMonkey> !calc " + \"your mom\"; ";
21:17:56  <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
21:18:15  <TrueLight> I wonder why it doesn't return any value
21:18:21  <MaulingMonkey> !calc exec("cat /etc/passwd")
21:18:22  <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
21:18:35  * MaulingMonkey hmms
21:18:39  <glx> !calc "; `pwd`;"
21:18:40  <_42_> glx: ; `pwd`;
21:19:17  <MaulingMonkey> !calc '; echo `pwd`;'
21:19:18  <_42_> MaulingMonkey: no value returned (you made a boo-hoo?)
21:19:33  <glx> !calc "; echo `pwd`;"
21:19:34  <_42_> glx: ; echo `pwd`;
21:19:52  <MaulingMonkey> !calc \"; echo `pwd`; \"
21:19:54  <_42_> MaulingMonkey: (standard_in) 2: illegal character:
21:20:01  <TrueLight> I now made it return the error from bc
21:20:14  <glx> !calc "; echo `pwd`; echo "
21:20:16  <_42_> glx: ; echo `pwd`; echo
21:20:22  <MaulingMonkey> !calc \'; echo `pwd`; \'
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21:20:24  <_42_> MaulingMonkey: (standard_in) 2: illegal character: (standard_in) 2: illegal character: ';(standard_in) 2: illegal character: `;(standard_in) 2: parse error;(standard_in) 2: illegal character: `;(standard_in) 2: illegal character: (standard_in) 2: illegal character: ';
21:20:26  <glx> nice, it's safe now
21:20:36  <TrueLight> it "looks" safe
21:20:59  <MaulingMonkey> Given all those illegal character messages, it dosn't look terribly safe to me, I just don't know how to exploit it :P
21:21:04  <Patrick`> ooh, you just made a bunch of illegal characters
21:21:18  <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: BC returns that
21:21:19  <Patrick`> well, it's safe if he's forbidden processing of anything that might be used to break out of the sandbox
21:21:24  <pavel> hi
21:21:25  <pavel> :)
21:21:52  <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: so everything goes in to bc, which is good
21:22:21  <MaulingMonkey> bc = ?
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21:22:30  <Patrick`> "desktop" calc for unix
21:22:34  <TrueLight> MaulingMonkey: a calculator :)
21:22:35  <MaulingMonkey> Ahh.
21:22:44  <TrueLight> NAME
21:22:44  <TrueLight>        bc - An arbitrary precision calculator language
21:22:58  <MaulingMonkey> Oh yes, I think I came across that man page once
21:23:45  <Bjarni> {P "" s} <-- any idea why I always reach the singular version of that one?
21:23:49  <Bjarni> I never get the s
21:24:15  <Bjarni> it looks silly to see the string contain "2 train" instead of "2 trains" ;)
21:24:55  <Patrick`> two TRAIN
21:25:01  <Patrick`> my train is BUILD
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21:25:09  <Patrick`> we should have a "broken english" translation
21:25:12  <Patrick`> I'll do it
21:25:57  <Bjarni> hey, I'm trying to fix this
21:26:01  <Bjarni> and it is NOT in the trunk
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21:26:11  <Bjarni> I notice such issues before I commit them
21:26:41  <Bjarni> nobody knows?
21:27:49  <TrueLight> t
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21:27:56  <Bjarni> t?
21:28:03  <TrueLight> NX software can do weird stuff :p
21:28:09  <Kjetil> NoMachine ?
21:28:13  <TrueLight> yup
21:28:22  <Kjetil> Do tell
21:28:31  <TrueLight> ?
21:28:44  <grimrc1> Bjarni: what's broken?
21:28:48  <Kjetil> What wierd stuff can it do ?
21:28:57  <TrueLight> Oh, when I exit a Konsole
21:29:04  <TrueLight> it puts the 't' in the buffer of the NXclient
21:29:09  <TrueLight> oh, and an enter
21:29:12  <TrueLight> so you see t here
21:29:19  <TrueLight> while I just typed 'exit'
21:29:28  <MaulingMonkey> *weird
21:29:30  <Kjetil> wierd
21:29:33  <MaulingMonkey> *weird
21:29:38  <Kjetil> weird
21:29:46  <MaulingMonkey> Pet spelling peeve.  I named it rob.
21:29:54  <MaulingMonkey> *Rob.
21:29:56  <Kjetil> Sound like a bug
21:29:59  <Patrick`> seriously, would anyone want "comic" translations like google do?
21:30:03  <TrueLight> possible...
21:30:04  <Patrick`> leet, elmer fudd, borkborkbork
21:30:12  <TrueLight> I don't care, you just see a 't' from me once in a while :)
21:30:18  <MaulingMonkey> Patrick`: I'd use them on occasion maybe :)
21:30:37  <Kjetil> TrueLight: Have you tried freeNX ?
21:30:38  <Patrick`> I'll get to work!
21:30:52  <TrueLight> Kjetil: in the past, sucked ass
21:30:58  <TrueLight> so very soon I dropped NX an email
21:31:02  <TrueLight> to gain a developer license
21:31:04  <TrueLight> I got it
21:31:05  <Kjetil> :)
21:31:07  <TrueLight> and now you have Free Desktop
21:31:10  <TrueLight> or what ever it is called
21:31:12  <TrueLight> works nicely
21:31:34  <Bjarni> <grimrc1>	Bjarni: what's broken? <-- the patch I'm working on. The patch itself works, but the string is broken
21:31:46  <Kjetil> I was wondering if was going to install freeNX on this computer. But I guess I won't
21:32:05  <TrueLight> Kjetil: just install NoMachine his server
21:32:27  <TrueLight> their
21:32:29  <TrueLight> what ever
21:33:06  <Kjetil> *ponders how much a single user lisence will cost him* Better check
21:33:13  <TrueLight> 2 users is free
21:33:18  <TrueLight> what Free Desktop should suggest :)
21:33:21  <Kjetil> aha
21:33:22  <grimrc1> is WE_PAINT when the window first gets drawn, not when it gets dirty and redrawn?
21:33:29  <TrueLight> else I would not have suggested it :)
21:33:37  <TrueLight> grimrc1: both
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21:33:51  <Kjetil> The last time I ran NX it was just a 30 day free trail
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21:33:59  <TrueLight> they changed it 2 months ago
21:34:06  <Kjetil> nice
21:34:10  <TrueLight> yup
21:34:11  <Wolf01> 'night all
21:34:13  <TrueLight> really nice
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21:34:26  <grimrc1> oh that makes things complicated; I want to draw the openttd sprites without WC_MAIN_WINDOW
21:34:47  <TrueLight> --spelling=<str>            no longer used
21:34:50  <TrueLight> THEN WHY ADD IT?!
21:35:13  <Patrick`> people do crazy things when they're in love
21:35:34  <grimrc1> openttd sprite is drawn every time WE_PAINT is triggered for the menu window
21:37:09  <Kjetil> TrueLight: was is NXNode ?
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21:37:22  <TrueLight> Kjetil: some software of their.. you need it for the server
21:37:23  <grimrc1> so if the mouse cursor goes over the openttd lettering sprites, they go dirty and get redrawn?
21:37:32  <Hawk-N> hey fellow pda/pocket pc users :)
21:37:52  <TrueLight> grimrc1: in fact, mouse movement doesn't
21:38:05  <Kjetil> TrueLight: ok. Perhaps some loadbalancing code or souch *me guesses*
21:38:09  <Hawk-N> ....anyone here who knows how I can get openttd to work with my Axim X51v ?
21:38:14  <grimrc1> just window movement?  do sprites ever go dirty themselves?
21:38:19  <Bjarni> Hawk-N: I'm not sure that we got that many PDA users in here
21:38:30  <Hawk-N> Bjarni: ohh... ok :P
21:38:39  <TrueLight> grimrc1: it also gets dirty when a train runs under it
21:38:48  <Bjarni> Hawk-N: Axim X51v <-- never heard that before
21:38:56  <Hawk-N> ok, my fault
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21:39:05  <grimrc1> ohh
21:40:12  <Hawk-N> well.... maybe someone knows what might be the reason when ttd just flashes and goes back to the desktop when trying to run it ?
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21:40:41  <veeroo> Hello
21:41:25  <TrueLight> Hawk-N: you are talking about the PPC OpenTTD version?
21:41:33  <Hawk-N> yeah :)
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21:41:45  <TrueLight> Hawk-N: that isn't part of the official OpenTTD distribution
21:41:51  <TrueLight> and supported by a 3rd party
21:41:51  <Hawk-N> ohhhh
21:41:54  <Bjarni> JonRox: turn off your script or be kicked again
21:41:56  <TrueLight> so you might want to browse their forum
21:42:20  <veeroo> who wants to play?
21:42:27  <JonRox> whats?
21:42:31  <TrueLight> veeroo: around 50 servers want that
21:42:32  <Hawk-N> yeah... seems like I got sidetracked :p
21:42:41  <TrueLight> JonRox: you have a script that starts talking if someone gets kicked.. we don't like that
21:42:48  <TrueLight> Hawk-N: happens to all of us :)
21:42:49  <veeroo> but im looking somebody to play in minin
21:42:54  <Hawk-N> lol
21:42:59  <veeroo> and theres only one server :P
21:43:07  <TrueLight> one is enoguh to play, not?
21:43:15  <JonRox> ha ok, i change it
21:43:15  <veeroo> in 6038
21:43:21  <JonRox> sorry
21:43:23  <veeroo> its full :P
21:43:30  <veeroo> 6068*
21:43:45  <TrueLight> JonRox: really, no problem, I just kick you every time it says something :)
21:44:04  <Bjarni> hahaha, now I found the reason why it failed to go into plural. I only tried on train 1 and it takes the unitnumber to test if it should be singular or plural.... now how to fix that
21:44:19  <TrueLight> Bjarni: lol
21:44:39  <TrueLight> !spell acomplished
21:44:41  <_42_> TrueLight: & acomplished 6 0: accomplished, accomplishes, accomplisher, accomplishers, accomplish, unaccomplished
21:44:44  <TrueLight> so no more faulty english here ;)
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21:44:53  <Bjarni> nice
21:44:57  <Bjarni> !spell bug
21:44:58  <_42_> Bjarni: *
21:45:10  <Bjarni> that went well :p
21:45:16  <TrueLight> * means okay btw
21:45:19  <TrueLight> hmm.. going to make that pretty
21:45:23  <Bjarni> ahh
21:45:35  <Bjarni> !spell bugg
21:45:37  <_42_> Bjarni: & bugg 11 0: buggy, bug, Burg, burg, bugs, bung, big, Brigg, bough, burgh, buff
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21:45:49  <TrueLight> oops :)
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21:46:26  <TrueLight> stupid script
21:46:28  <TrueLight> !spell bug
21:46:36  <Bjarni> so {P "" s} is hardcoded to take param 1 or something?
21:47:11  <_42_> TrueLight: 'bug' is correctly spelled
21:47:14  <veeroo> i have a question
21:47:20  <Bjarni> nice, but a bit slow
21:47:24  <TrueLight> Bjarni: it was booting
21:47:25  <veeroo> why theres no PBS in OTTD?
21:47:31  <TrueLight> !spell is this spelled correctly
21:47:33  <_42_> TrueLight: 'is this spelled correctly' is correctly spelled
21:47:36  <TrueLight> :)
21:47:40  <Bjarni> veeroo: it was buggy and it crashed trains
21:47:43  <TrueLight> !spell is this spelled corectly
21:47:45  <_42_> TrueLight: & corectly 10 16: correctly, directly, erectly, correct, corruptly, corrects, correcter, corrector, corrected, currently
21:47:54  <veeroo> i have never had any problems with that
21:47:57  <Bjarni> veeroo: now the plan is to start all over with a new design
21:48:03  <TrueLight> veeroo: but you are not the only user :)
21:48:06  <veeroo> with YAPF?
21:48:10  <Bjarni> yes
21:48:32  <veeroo> TrueLight: yes i know but i use it very often
21:48:55  <veeroo> there are some problems then there are too many vehicles on the single line
21:49:16  <veeroo> and when train are waiting on the crossing
21:49:27  <veeroo> but on the single crossing its cool
21:50:00  <veeroo> then u dont need to use bridges or tunnels
21:50:19  <TrueLight> veeroo: it was kind of broken by design
21:50:25  <TrueLight> so those 'small' bugs weren't solvable
21:50:34  <TrueLight> you can't have a feature of which a long list of restrictions comes ;)
21:50:39  <TrueLight> so yeah, PBS is good
21:50:45  <Patrick`> !spell antidisestablishmentarianism
21:50:47  <_42_> Patrick`: 'antidisestablishmentarianism' is correctly spelled
21:50:48  <TrueLight> so I say: come and help us making it :)
21:50:54  <TrueLight> concratz Patrick` :)
21:50:56  <Patrick`> booyah, that was from memory
21:51:12  <veeroo> :) hmm i can program only in delphi :)
21:51:17  <Patrick`> learn
21:51:22  <veeroo> i dont know c very well
21:51:26  <TrueLight> now I need to find a good english dictonary
21:51:34  <Patrick`> I used "I can only program in python" as a crutch for years
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21:51:41  <Patrick`> C takes like a week to learn
21:51:48  <Patrick`> get a copy of K&R second edition
21:51:53  <Patrick`> it'll be old but that's irrelevant
21:51:55  <veeroo> yes but u have to got a week :P
21:52:03  <veeroo> i have some egzamines in oct so i cant now
21:52:32  <veeroo> Patrick: do u work on PBS?
21:52:47  <veeroo> exactly the new design of PBS in YAPF?
21:53:26  <Patrick`> no.
21:53:29  <Patrick`> no I do not.
21:53:55  <Bjarni> KUDr is the YAPF/PBS guy
21:54:05  <Bjarni> he is out travelling right now... or something
21:54:10  <veeroo> ok
21:54:22  <veeroo> but i dont know how can i help exactly
21:54:56  <Bjarni> you can get an idea for a patch and then write it
21:54:59  <veeroo> the only think i can do i think is to write a new algorithm :)
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21:55:12  <grimrc1> the DrawSprites function (for openttd banner) is called in MainWindowWndProc(), when WE_PAINT is received, but the DrawSprite function doesn't seem to register the sprites with MainWindowWndProc() or the WE_PAINT event, so I'm wondering do sprites get dirty like ordinary windows or are they pretty safe?
21:55:23  <sussox> how can i build steelmills/ironore-mines in the artic climate?
21:55:31  <TrueLight> Goodnight all!
21:55:37  <grimrc1> gn
21:55:37  <MeusH> TrueLight, goodnight
21:55:38  <Patrick`> you can't.
21:55:39  <veeroo> gn
21:55:41  <MeusH> sussox, you can't
21:55:42  <Patrick`> nothing uses steel anyway
21:55:54  <Patrick`> use the cheat menu to change the climate
21:56:17  <sussox> but its impossible in the scenario-editor, or i can cheat there aswell?
21:57:26  <Patrick`> ah
21:57:28  <Patrick`> good point
21:57:30  <Patrick`> and, I don't know
21:57:46  <sussox> ok
21:58:08  <grimrc1> oh actually I think I've misunderstood MainWindowWndProc()
21:58:10  <veeroo> ok source code downloaded :D
21:58:26  <veeroo> gonna think about a new algorithm ;) <lol>
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21:59:21  <sussox> btw, what changes when i enable realistic catchment areas? do they get much bigger?
21:59:37  <Patrick`> airports are 5 tiles and bus stations are 3
21:59:41  <Patrick`> trains are still 4
21:59:46  <Patrick`> I think docks change as well
22:00:00  <sussox> trains should have larger catchment yes
22:00:03  <glx> grimrc1: it handles events for MainWindowWnd
22:00:09  <Patrick`> eh, it's fine as it is
22:00:17  <Patrick`> 5 tiles would unbalance the game
22:00:22  <grimrc1> I mistakenly thought Main Window = Main Menu - doh
22:00:34  <Patrick`> enough of the new feature explosion has unbalanced the game anyway
22:00:35  <grimrc1> veeroo: there's loads of good C tutorials on the net
22:00:38  <Patrick`> cough bigmaps cough
22:00:48  <Patrick`> I tried for years to learn from net tutorials
22:00:57  <sussox> Patrick`: if 1 tile covers an industri is that equal to say 4 tiles, or do i get better rating with more tiles?
22:01:02  <Patrick`> just grab a copy of K&R from a library or a mate or amazon second hand for like 8 dollars
22:01:09  <veeroo> grimrc1: i know that
22:01:11  <Patrick`> or 6 euros or 4 quid
22:01:15  <Patrick`> whatever your poison
22:01:25  <veeroo> i have some experience in programming ;p
22:01:34  <veeroo> but not in C
22:01:39  <Patrick`> sussox: as long as the catchment area intersects the industry
22:01:56  <grimrc1> veeroo: means you can race through a good C guide
22:01:57  <Patrick`> for delivery, make sure it says "accepts" when you build it, as certain industry tiles accept certain things
22:02:10  <Patrick`> but all industry tiles produce and the amount is irrelevant
22:02:21  <grimrc1> veeroo: or use it as reference
22:02:30  <Patrick`> I came from an experienced python background, K&R sorted me right out
22:02:31  <veeroo> grimrc1: i need only vovabulary ;]
22:02:37  <veeroo> vocabulary*
22:02:42  <Patrick`> veeroo: dangerous attitude
22:02:52  <Patrick`> C permits a vast amount of unsafe practices
22:03:08  <Patrick`> whatever exist in your chosen language,I guarantee C has more
22:03:19  <veeroo> well i think i can write u a new algorithm
22:03:21  <sussox> what if i have a station in the city, does it get more passengers if more houses are covered with tiles?
22:03:24  <grimrc1> yeah, and it is good to learn 'good' C; it's more powerful than many languages
22:03:24  <veeroo> in pascal :]
22:03:29  <veeroo> or delphi
22:03:36  <veeroo> i have no exp in c
22:04:11  <veeroo> Patrick`: theres a very very old war between c and op users ;]
22:04:30  <veeroo> but never mind
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22:04:43  <grimrc1> veeroo: if you just want to design an algorithm, you could do that and put it on the wiki/bugs list, but it won't be guarenteed to get implemented that way
22:04:56  <grimrc1> guaranteed I mean
22:04:57  <veeroo> i know
22:05:46  <veeroo> but first i need to learn ottd alg ;]
22:05:52  <veeroo> never seen it
22:07:05  <veeroo> what compiler do u use to compile ottd code in win32?
22:07:23  <Bjarni> gcc in mingw or MS vs
22:07:29  <veeroo> ok
22:07:38  <Bjarni> the first is free while the latter is not
22:08:02  <veeroo> i know
22:08:07  <veeroo> but i dont like ms soft :)
22:08:18  <Bjarni> and you use windows?
22:08:23  <veeroo> i do everythink to use another soft
22:08:24  <veeroo> :)
22:08:36  <veeroo> i have linux but not on this comp
22:09:46  <veeroo> i use windows cause there are some programs only for win i have to use on my university
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22:10:00  <Bjarni> ahh
22:10:11  <veeroo> and tahts why i programm in win
22:10:17  <veeroo> thats*
22:10:19  <Bjarni> I use Sun Solaris at uni when I'm able to do so
22:10:31  <veeroo> mhm
22:10:47  <Patrick`> I think MSVC++ express (the free one) can make ottd
22:11:08  <veeroo> i will use gcc
22:11:51  <grimrc1> veeroo: tried wine?
22:12:02  <veeroo> yeah but few years ago ;d
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22:12:15  <Patrick`> it's much better now
22:12:32  <grimrc1> yeah it really is racing along; plus there are virtual machine progs too
22:12:35  <veeroo> i will try it when i came to cracow where i study
22:12:47  <veeroo> now im in home :)
22:12:54  <grimrc1> is that the Polish spelling?
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22:13:03  <veeroo> cracow?
22:13:05  <grimrc1> yeah
22:13:07  <MeusH> Kraków
22:13:09  <veeroo> polish spelling is Kraków
22:13:10  <Patrick`> here's how good wine is: most directx9 games install and run
22:13:11  <veeroo> :)
22:13:11  <Patrick`> ish.
22:13:27  <grimrc1> Patrick`: with Windows DLLs right?
22:13:33  <Patrick`> nope.
22:13:42  <Bjarni> hmm
22:13:44  <grimrc1> Patrick`: without Windows installed!?
22:13:48  <Patrick`> I don't use winehelper, screw that
22:13:49  <Bjarni> sounds interesting
22:13:50  <Patrick`> yep, vanilla wine
22:13:58  <Patrick`> runs counterstrike source and all that crap
22:14:02  <grimrc1> Patrick`: holy MofG!
22:14:04  <Patrick`> checp
22:14:18  <Patrick`> it's a databsae of what games run where and what hacks you need (or not)
22:14:29  <Patrick`> I spelled it right
22:15:13  <grimrc1> I always found it hard to find out if programs run under vanilla wine or not; I'd only need wine for (few) games
22:15:18  <Patrick`> yeah
22:15:26  <Patrick`> appdb is a bit inaccurate
22:15:28  <Patrick`> it's worth trying
22:15:41  <Patrick`> but basically everything I've tried has worked apart from dungeon keeper 1
22:16:12  <grimrc1> oh - that's a good game; shame there's no open source version of that yet
22:16:21  <Bjarni> I failed to run dungeon keeper 1 under XP, so...
22:16:29  <Bjarni> later I tried and it just magically worked
22:16:34  <Bjarni> *tried again
22:16:46  <MeusH> goodnight
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22:18:08  <Patrick`> yeah
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22:18:16  <Patrick`> for older games, wine is better than windpwx xp
22:18:20  <Patrick`> got damn spelling
22:18:33  <Brianetta> WiFi in my hotel room!
22:18:35  <Brianetta> Oh yeah
22:19:01  <grimrc1> pay for it?
22:19:08  <Brianetta> Oh yeah
22:19:11  <grimrc1> heh
22:19:20  <Patrick`> there are ways around that
22:19:21  <Brianetta> Actually, it was charged to the room
22:19:24  <Patrick`> which are technicalyl legal
22:19:26  <Brianetta> which we paid for in advance...
22:19:32  <grimrc1> Patrick`: cracking WEP?
22:19:37  <Patrick`> buty I won't tell you about it because if it gets popular they'll stop it
22:19:37  <Brianetta> It isn't encrypted
22:19:39  <grimrc1> Brianetta: hah
22:19:42  <Patrick`> I said technically legal, you ass
22:20:13  <grimrc1> oh like MAC cloning?
22:20:23  <Patrick`> no.
22:20:40  <Patrick`> ah, if it mac-locks and doesn't let you connect, you're studffed
22:20:53  <Brianetta> I think using unauthorised sites on the hotel WiFI might count as theft of service when it comes to court
22:20:56  <Patrick`> I'm thikning about thwese pay points where you connect and can only get to a page where you pay
22:21:08  <grimrc1> Patrick`: oh they're poorly locked down?
22:21:10  <Patrick`> but some of them leak packets
22:21:14  <Brianetta> Patrick`: Not technically legal to circumvent that
22:21:26  <Brianetta> Still technically theft of service
22:21:28  <Patrick`> no, they just let certain types of traffic onto the internet
22:21:34  <Patrick`> dns requests, specifically
22:21:36  <grimrc1> can't really tell if anything's technical legal till it's been argued in court
22:21:40  <Patrick`> and you can tunnel IP over DNS
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22:22:01  <grimrc1> heh cool
22:22:10  <Patrick`> absurbdly cool.
22:23:11  <Eddi|zuHause2> didn't you just say you wouldn't tell?
22:23:14  <grimrc1> wow that is amazing
22:23:19  <Patrick`> yeah,
22:23:31  <Patrick`> I've said sufficiently little that only someone with enough initiative to deserve it could do it
22:23:50  <grimrc1> Patrick`: presumably Linux kernel has that kind of stuff or patches for it
22:23:57  <Patrick`> not sayin'
22:24:16  <grimrc1> Patrick`: do you think there are other services like that?
22:24:49  <Patrick`> mumblemumble
22:24:53  <grimrc1> heh
22:25:28  <Bjarni> I just looked at DarWine (Wine for OSX) and I saw this in the changelog:
22:25:29  <Bjarni> Faster drawing of the cards in Solitaire (very important feature).
22:25:31  <Bjarni> :D
22:25:38  <Patrick`> hahaha
22:25:39  <Patrick`> yeah
22:25:41  <Patrick`> awesome
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22:26:00  <grimrc1> that's their own solitaire of course
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22:26:13  <Bjarni> they haven't updated it in a while
22:26:28  <Patrick`> yeah, it looks a bit dead-ey
22:26:52  <Bjarni> I'm not sure they ported it to x86 OSX in a working state yet
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22:27:29  <grimrc1> remote x is a better option for me
22:28:57  <grimrc1> does openttd have timing functions/facilities?  I want to make the openttd banner disappear and reappear
22:29:37  <Brianetta> Oooh cool
22:29:42  <grimrc1> if not, I just use standard functions I suppose
22:29:47  <Patrick`> Pfft, yes
22:29:48  <Brianetta> Got Helen's iBook onto the bet with the same account
22:29:58  <Brianetta> Two for one on hotel room laptop access! (:
22:30:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> grimrc1: there's game ticks, and days...
22:30:41  <Bjarni> Please remember also that Wine on Mac OS X/Intel is not functional. It has some serious limitations compared to Wine on Linux. CodeWeavers is currently working on fixing this.  <--- hurry up!!!!
22:31:00  <Bjarni> no updates since April
22:31:20  <Brianetta> What doo you need Wine for?
22:31:54  <Brianetta> Pretty much all of the free software available for Windows has a Unix version
22:32:11  <Bjarni> I want to try it :)
22:32:45  <ln-> Brianetta: Bjarni wants to run OpenTTD.
22:33:33  <CIA-2> richk * r6133 /branches/MiniIN/ (copy_paste_gui.c window.c):
22:33:33  <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: [CopyPaste]: Updated copy_paste_gui.c to use gui voted for in forum. Added section to Toolbarfix to cope with Copy Paste, and Build Trees.
22:33:33  <CIA-2> Many thanks to Frostregen for MiniIN copy paste patch.
22:34:09  <Brianetta> ln-: erm...
22:34:10  <Patrick`> jesus ... copy/paste rails?
22:34:16  <Patrick`> helloooooo prefab junction whores
22:34:28  <Bjarni> ahh, they made a new wiki that actually updates :)
22:34:41  <Brianetta> Patrick`: Try not to poke fun at the MiniIN users....
22:34:43  <Bjarni> I just found a line, that have to had been edited within the last two weeks
22:35:12  <lws1984> Patrick`: it's quite useful
22:35:16  <Patrick`> Brianetta: people just slapping down prefab junctions just pisses me off
22:35:17  <Bjarni> <ln->	Brianetta: Bjarni wants to run OpenTTD. <-- I do that natively, but you just gave me an idea. I can use it to try the patch again
22:35:21  <Patrick`> lws1984: yeah, I can see
22:35:31  <Patrick`> pickup stations with fiddly entrance bits
22:35:33  <Patrick`> and so on
22:35:44  <Patrick`> but ... junctions should be unique and organic and with no wasted track
22:35:57  <grimrc1> my firefox 2.0b is really slow; do they still enable debug by default (that's gotten me once before)
22:36:04  <Patrick`> a 4-way junction being used as a T wastes 50% of the track, rooooughly
22:36:07  <Patrick`> maybe 25%
22:36:08  <ln-> couldn't we simply drop other ports and run OTTD on wine/cedega on non-Windows platforms?
22:36:09  <Patrick`> but it's a lot.
22:37:11  <Bjarni> ln-: no
22:37:23  <Bjarni> I want a solution that works out of the box
22:37:55  <Patrick`> I want the moon.
22:37:57  <Patrick`> on a stick.
22:38:00  <Bjarni> and running x86 binaries on non x86 hardware is a really bad idea
22:38:00  <grimrc1> ln-: !?!? openttd's SDL anyway?
22:38:09  <CIA-2> richk * r6134 /branches/MiniIN/ (aircraft_gui.c roadveh_gui.c ship_gui.c train_gui.c):
22:38:09  <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: [GRFCargoSubtypes]: Minor fixes post-sync with trunk.
22:38:09  <CIA-2> Many thanks to mart3p for MiniIN patch.
22:38:28  <ln-> it's surprisingly easy to troll people. :)
22:38:32  <Bjarni> grimrc1: don't try to understand it. ln- is likely drunk or something
22:38:40  <grimrc1> ln-: yeah I was too polite to ask
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22:39:30  * Bjarni just got an idea
22:39:37  <Bjarni> I will port Wine to windows
22:39:53  <Brianetta> Patrick`: Prefab junctions seem  alittl epathetic to me, too.
22:39:58  <Bjarni> and then run windows wine in DarWine
22:40:13  <Brianetta> Rest assured, such abomination would be disabled in any server I ran
22:40:46  <ln-> grimrc1: btw, OpenTTD doesn't even take advantage of SDL too well.
22:41:01  <grimrc1> ln-: ?  how could it do better?
22:41:09  <Bjarni> yeah, how?
22:41:24  <Bjarni> don't keep such secrets from us
22:43:33  <ln-> well, for example, SDL has an event-based system for dispatching events. however, (unless it has been recently rewritten), OTTD fucks up the system by setting some global variables when events come. and nothing guarantees anyone notices the change of that global variable before it's set back to zero.
22:44:15  <grimrc1> ln-: like race conditions?
22:44:50  <glx> ln-: not all ports use SDL
22:45:15  <ln-> this means, OTTD may lose (and does lose, in practice) your mouse clicks, although SDL delivered everything fine. i haven't noticed this lately, but others say it still exist, and i haven't played much myself.
22:45:32  <ln-> glx: i know. in fact, most major ports don't.
22:45:57  <Bjarni> windows and OSX don't
22:46:03  <Bjarni> the rest uses SDL, right?
22:46:13  <ln-> of the rest, only linux is major
22:46:17  <Frostregen> hmm, copy&paste is completely clientside
22:46:20  <Bjarni> except dedicated servers, but let's forget about those right now ;)
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22:47:54  <ln-> grimrc1: OTTD sets some variables, and wishes some other loop maybe happens to notice a non-zero value before a button up event resets the variable back to zero... ok, some work has been done to fix this.
22:48:45  <grimrc1> ln-: oh well; nobody's going to move Linux version away from SDL are they?
22:49:35  <ln-> grimrc1: i don't know if there really are proper alternatives for SDL.
22:49:35  <Sacro> to what?
22:49:45  <grimrc1> native X if that's possible hehe
22:49:46  <Sacro> ln-: gtk, qt, wxwidgets
22:49:50  <grimrc1> framebuffer
22:49:51  <ln-> and SDL is not the problem, the way OTTD handles its events is.
22:49:53  <grimrc1> oh yeah gtk
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22:50:47  <Bjarni> ln-: since you know what the issue is, you can write a fix, right?
22:51:14  <grimrc1> aalib; openttd can be run with this (some SDL variable), but the text resolution is too low to see anything - don't know if this can be fixed
22:52:01  <grimrc1> I mean, aalib SDL not looking good has got to be a release-blocker
22:52:23  <Sacro> how do you run with AAlib?
22:52:59  <ln-> Bjarni: i think it was patched at some point so that it's at least not as annoying as earlier... but fixing it properly would require rewriting a lot of code... changing the way how all key/mouse events are handled.
22:53:22  <grimrc1> here:
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22:54:31  <grimrc1> probably some aa cfg somewhere to get colour working, and much higher text resolution
22:54:45  <grimrc1> or maybe that's an SDL config
22:55:08  <Bjarni> ln-: ok, sounds like a huge change
22:55:10  <Triffid_Hunter> grimrc1: libcaca provides colour ascii afaik
22:55:28  <Sacro> no, for colour you need errm...
22:55:35  * Sacro scratches his head
22:55:40  <Sacro> Triffid_Hunter: thats the one!!!
22:56:11  <grimrc1> oh, well there's no SDL_VIDEODRIVER option for that; must have to reconfigure SDL
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22:56:20  <Sacro> how do you list them?
22:56:31  <grimrc1> that link I posted has a list
22:56:43  <grimrc1> oh it does say "partial list"
23:12:11  * Sacro thinks OTTD needs more railtypes, light transit + cantenary (trams), light transit+3rd/4th rail (undergrounds)
23:13:29  <Brianetta> There's a telly in this hotel room
23:13:40  <Brianetta> It's reinforcing my decision not to own a TV set
23:14:33  <Sacro> hehe
23:14:38  <Sacro> saves you 100 or so a year
23:14:59  <Frostregen> and more importantly, much wasted time
23:15:18  <Brianetta> There was a band just on, live
23:15:21  <Brianetta> "Babychambles"
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23:15:42  <Brianetta> If I were in that band I'd have died of embarrassment to know that the performance was on air
23:15:50  <Brianetta> They couldn't even sing
23:15:51  <Brianetta> or play
23:16:01  <grimrc1> heh Pete Docherty - did he look a drug-addled mess as usual?
23:16:09  <Brianetta> Who?
23:16:13  <grimrc1> lead singer
23:16:17  <Sacro> babyshambles :P
23:16:19  <Brianetta> There was a lead?
23:16:22  <grimrc1> heh
23:16:26  <Brianetta> There was a dodgy rapper and some drunk students
23:16:30  <Sacro> thats them
23:16:34  <grimrc1> hasn't he got a drug case coming up?
23:16:44  <Brianetta> You mean this band is successful?
23:16:46  <grimrc1> maybe it's already been
23:16:51  <Brianetta> I just assumed ome of their dads was th eproducer
23:16:56  <grimrc1> Brianetta: Pete Docherty is I suppose
23:17:15  <Brianetta> The program#s called Transmission, I think
23:17:19  <Sacro> yeah, they are quite good
23:17:20  <grimrc1> Brianetta: what TV channels do you get?
23:17:21  <Sacro> i like them
23:17:21  <Brianetta> not sure which channel
23:17:26  <Brianetta> grimrc1: No idea
23:17:32  <Brianetta> Helen had the remote
23:17:37  <Sacro> ooh, ie7rc1
23:17:54  <Brianetta> It's a hotel TV set
23:18:07  <Sacro> "The browser also promises enhancements to support web standards (such as HTML 4.01/CSS 2)"
23:18:15  <Sacro> it'd be nice if they'd DONE that, and where working on XHTML 1.1 and CSS 3
23:18:40  <grimrc1> time_t time(time_t *t) is a weird function; stores in optional pointer and also returns the value??
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23:23:58  <Naksu> Sacro: indeed, because css3 contains so many useful features!
23:24:00  <Sacro> income lws1984
23:24:04  <Sacro> Naksu: that it does
23:24:12  <Sacro> it'd be nice to just have a working box model
23:24:36  <veeroo> good night guys
23:25:09  <Naksu> i cant count the number of times i've had a HSL value for a color without a hsl->rgb convertor in sight!
23:25:17  <Sacro> night ver
23:25:22  <Sacro> *veeroo
23:25:31  <Sacro> Naksu: heh
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23:27:12  <Naksu> stuff like css3 opacity is never going to work in ie
23:27:57  <Sacro> i know, i wish that Vista wouldnt come with it
23:29:18  <Naksu> the thing is, i dont see a need for css3 yet
23:29:27  <grimrc1> does if(w = FindWindowById(WC_SELECT_GAME, 0)) work as I want, testing w *after* assigning the return value to it?
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23:30:05  <Naksu> they should wait until css3 has some "must-have" features
23:30:17  <Naksu> at which point even microsoft could implement it
23:30:39  <grimrc1> Naksu: they wouldn't fully implement anyway
23:31:48  <grimrc1> is if(w = function(blah)) the same as if(function(blah)) ?
23:32:09  <Naksu> maybe they'll rewrite ie at some point
23:32:29  <Naksu> seems like they have a lot of architectural crap preventing actual change happening
23:32:44  <grimrc1> Naksu: I'm surprised; why wouldn't they do that in IE7?
23:32:57  <Naksu> not enough time?
23:33:30  <Naksu> one thing they got right was dropping the netscape plugin interface
23:33:36  <grimrc1> maybe, but it sounds silly to say Microsoft doesn't have enough time to do something
23:34:09  <Naksu> grimrc1: just because they have infinite money doesnt mean they can do infinite work at any given time
23:34:30  <grimrc1> Naksu: yeah but it's not infinite work
23:35:46  <Naksu> yeah, but still
23:35:53  <grimrc1> aren't they just willfully/negligently leaving parts of the web standards out - that's the impression I always got
23:36:08  <Naksu> it's not feasible to put a billion dollars into getting a new browser if it wont at least get them the billion dollars back
23:36:42  <grimrc1> actually, doesn't Microsoft nearly dictate some web standards
23:36:47  <Naksu> i need sleep
23:36:48  <grimrc1> gn
23:36:52  <Naksu> grimrc1: they used to
23:37:24  <Naksu> they still have a lot of people over at w3c but they mostly do documentation and proofreading i think
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23:38:09  <grimrc1> oh interesting
23:39:02  <Naksu> -> sleep
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23:45:45  <roboboy> hello
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23:46:23  <grimrc1> hello
23:46:52  <roboboy> do any of you use ubuntu
23:49:39  <Sacro> have done
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23:52:39  <JohnUK89> Ello :)
23:53:14  <roboboy> hello
23:53:25  <JohnUK89> roboboy: ello :)
23:54:21  * JohnUK89 hits partition magic
23:55:00  <Sacro> oh noes
23:55:33  <JohnUK89> Sacro: it left me machine completely unbootable...had to reinstall Ubuntu :-\
23:55:47  <Sacro> :o
23:56:26  <JohnUK89> I tried reinstalling just GRUB but it wouldn't even install it to a floppy :-\
23:57:16  <grimrc1> the MainWindowWndProc() function, on WE_PAINT, drawsprite()s the letters of the openttd banner; if I disable the drawsprite()s (based on time), the old letter sprites are still there until that area of the screen is marked dirty - how should I mark it dirty? MarkWholeScreenDirty()?  a 2nd DrawWindowViewport(w)?
23:58:16  <grimrc1> JohnUK89: grub should have worked
23:58:43  <grimrc1> JohnUK89: you can make a boot disk or CD-ROM that'll let you boot your hard disk partitions
23:58:51  <JohnUK89> grimrc1: it didn't, I think the whole partition Linux was installed on was corrupted...
23:59:33  <roboboy> i have linux on its own disk
23:59:50  <JohnUK89> roboboy: I don't have that luxury lol
23:59:51  <Sacro> me too
23:59:52  <roboboy> ive only been using it for a week
23:59:58  <JohnUK89> Only 1 HDD connected to this PC
23:59:58  <Sacro> JohnUK89: yes you do, dont install windows

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