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00:00:07 <JohnUK89> Stop highlighting me! :P 00:00:37 <Sacro> :D 00:01:40 *** SJ_Zero [BobtheButc@tpasmb01dc1-164-190.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #openttd 00:01:55 <SJ_Zero> Wow. Lots of people here. Is anyone alive? 00:02:30 <MaulingMonkey> SJ_Zero: Welcome to #zombie-openttd 00:02:42 <Sacro> SJ_Zero: nope 00:02:59 <SJ_Zero> I'd like to know what "fund commercial buildings" in the local authority does. I've dumped a few million into a couple towns and the effect seems minimal. 00:03:08 <SJ_Zero> So what *is* the effect supposed to be? 00:03:10 <Sacro> should "fund commercial buildings" 00:03:32 <SJ_Zero> Why didn't I think of that? :P 00:03:35 <grimrc1> is it to improve goods and mail acceptance? 00:03:46 <Sacro> grimrc1: yeah...and probably pax too 00:03:59 <SJ_Zero> passengers? 00:04:31 <MaulingMonkey> Oh yeah, does MiniIN have a SVN branch? 00:04:38 <SJ_Zero> Ok, that makes sense. Unfortunate that I wasted so much money on it though. I thought it might be a way to inject capital into a city to artificially stimulate growth. 00:04:42 *** Dred_furst^away [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:04:59 <Sacro> MaulingMonkey: yes :) quite easy to find too 00:05:06 <JohnUK89> Grr stinking Leeds Festival!!! 00:05:11 <JohnUK89> I'm trying to concentrate here! >:o 00:05:17 <Sacro> haha 00:05:25 * MaulingMonkey tries out the svn list command for the first time 00:05:25 * Sacro listens to Cornershop 00:05:47 <JohnUK89> Lol Sacro 00:06:13 <SJ_Zero> Is svn any better than cvs for situational awareness? I find it frustrating that I need to check a website or ask someone on IRC for the cvs repository name when I'm doing work on oss projects. 00:06:13 <Sacro> hmm, eclipse has lost "features.xml" :( 00:06:27 <Sacro> JohnUK89: best of fatboy slim 00:06:36 <JohnUK89> Sacro: aye, goot album 00:06:39 <JohnUK89> good* 00:07:18 <JohnUK89> In fact... 00:07:21 * JohnUK89 puts it on 00:07:41 <Sacro> i could actuallly setup icecast 00:07:51 <JohnUK89> lol 00:07:55 <Sacro> streaming nekkid wommenz :D 00:08:07 <JohnUK89> OI! >:o 00:08:10 <MaulingMonkey> ehrg, the string path is still banged up >_> 00:08:14 <MaulingMonkey> *string.c 00:08:44 <JohnUK89> I need to make that stop highlighting :P 00:10:37 <SJ_Zero> Since I'm here, I'd also like to ask about subsidaries: Do they not work in multiplayer moder? I mean, my company is plenty strong to split into arial, marine, and land divisions, but everything is greyed out. :P 00:11:07 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:11:08 <JohnUK89> brb :) 00:16:37 <JohnUK89> And back 00:16:38 <JohnUK89> lol 00:16:42 <Sacro> oooooh BOOBIES 00:17:02 <JohnUK89> That doesn't highlight lol 00:17:29 <Sacro> NEKKID BOOBIES 00:17:43 <lws1984> Sacro: where? 00:17:48 <Sacro> :o 00:17:59 <Sacro> lws1984: ubuntu 4.6 00:18:09 <Sacro> or was it 5.5 00:18:11 <lws1984> since when does it include pr0ns? 00:18:35 <Sacro> backgrounds 00:19:04 <JohnUK89> 4.6? 5.5? wtf? 00:19:13 <JohnUK89> They aren't even Ubuntu versions :P 00:19:18 <Sacro> ;) 00:19:24 <lws1984> LIARS! 00:19:27 * lws1984 has been had 00:19:37 * lws1984 kills Sacro with a haddock 00:19:37 <JohnUK89> lmao 00:21:14 * Sacro steals the haddock and eats it 00:21:49 * lws1984 had poisoned the haddock 00:22:55 <Sacro> :o 00:23:10 <lws1984> so now you're doubly dead! 00:23:29 * Sacro steals lws1984's newest shiniest mac for his cremation 00:23:32 <lws1984> You have no chance to survive make your time blah blah blah 00:23:45 * lws1984 takes the PowerMac G5 back 00:23:50 <lws1984> all metal, might get hurt in the fire 00:24:06 <Sacro> oh :( 00:24:06 * JohnUK89 nicks his slightly older mac 00:24:09 <Sacro> hehe 00:24:38 * lws1984 takes his iBook back 00:24:49 <lws1984> plastic might get hurt, and that's my IRC machine 00:24:49 * Sacro steals heather 00:24:54 * JohnUK89 nicks the G5 and RUNS! 00:24:58 * lws1984 takes Heather back and 00:25:24 * lws1984 runs over JohnUK89 and takes the G5 00:25:33 <JohnUK89> :o 00:25:38 <Sacro> with a saab? it'd collapse 00:25:40 *** JohnUK89 is now known as DeadJohnUK89 00:25:45 <lws1984> no, DeadJohnUK89 would 00:26:02 <Sacro> oh yes, they're quite sturdily built 00:26:10 <Sacro> you could outrun it easily though 00:26:33 <Sacro> 250kB/s just isnt enough :( 00:26:47 <pv2b> a mac for cremation? 00:27:00 <Sacro> pv2b: yes 00:27:01 <pv2b> why don't you pick up one of those older powerbook g4:s with the sony batteries in them? 00:27:09 <Sacro> oooh :D 00:27:12 <Sacro> and a dell 00:27:19 <lws1984> mah, just the dell 00:29:36 <Sacro> and a mac 00:30:07 <Sacro> and a saab 00:30:10 * pv2b has a powerbook g4 without battery in his lap :-) 00:30:15 <Sacro> (bombproof!) 00:32:23 * lws1984 has an iBook with qualifying-for-replacement battery in his lap 00:32:58 <grimrc1> lws1984: you'll get more if you burn the battery a bit and complain 00:33:15 <lws1984> grimrc1: no, don't want to harm the laptop any 00:33:36 <grimrc1> lws1984: well I thought this step was obvious, but ... 1. remove battery from laptop 2. ... 00:33:54 <lws1984> but teh incidents occur while the battery is IN the lappy 00:33:54 <grimrc1> 4. profit 00:34:04 <grimrc1> 6. burn in hell 00:34:06 <grimrc1> hehe 00:34:37 <lws1984> see, I take issue with 3 and 6 00:35:01 <grimrc1> I take issue with prerequisites 1. own a nice apple laptop 00:35:30 <grimrc1> I have bought a powerbook 1400 cheaply though 00:36:22 <grimrc1> stupid thing is I could have bought a stolen laptop for less in Manchester (was offered once, but I refused) 00:36:33 <lws1984> never buy stolen lappys 00:36:46 <lws1984> and if you want explosive Apples, buy a 5300 with an ORIGINAL battery 00:36:54 <lws1984> and not a recalled, an ORIGINAL ORIGINAL battery 00:37:00 <grimrc1> heh 00:37:06 <grimrc1> take your word for it 00:37:32 <Bjarni> lws1984: those batteries were ... well, I would not use them 00:37:34 * SJ_Zero can't blame PC manufacturers for faulty batteries -- they just contracted the battery out. It's not like they said "Oh yeah, and make sure it explodes.." in the engineering purchase order. :P 00:37:48 <Sacro> what about in baghdad? 00:38:05 <grimrc1> fortunately for the consumer though, the PC manufacturers are culpable 00:38:20 <Bjarni> <lws1984> and if you want explosive Apples, buy a 5300 <-- there is money in PB5300? 00:38:38 <grimrc1> Bjarni: small amount on eBa 00:38:40 <grimrc1> eBay 00:38:42 <lws1984> Bjarni: well, I bought one last year for 00:38:49 <Bjarni> heh 00:38:56 <grimrc1> lws1984: do you actually do anything with it? 00:38:57 <lws1984> MIT Flea Market FTW! 00:39:15 <Bjarni> now that's a place I would show up :D 00:39:18 <SJ_Zero> They're legally responsible, but some people are like "oh, apples and dells suck ass because they chose a manufacturer who had a subtle defect in their design!" 00:39:19 <lws1984> grimrc1: aye, needed it for parts, friend of mine wanted to repair his 00:39:29 <lws1984> Bjarni: aye, lots of old/newish Apples and such 00:39:34 <Bjarni> .... I think I will keep mine then 00:39:49 <grimrc1> SJ_Zero: well? how else should it reflect on them? though Sony isn't exactly a 2-bit operation 00:40:08 <grimrc1> Bjarni: a little more on eBay 00:40:19 <Bjarni> besides who would pay that for a powerbook with a defective monitor cable? 00:40:35 <grimrc1> Bjarni: doesn't it have a working LCD? 00:40:35 <lws1984> hah, I bought one when they came out, but sold it to a friend who wasn't in the know after hearing of the batteries and went back to my 1400c 00:40:40 <Bjarni> I think I replaced it 3 or 4 times and now it's broken again 00:40:54 <Bjarni> the LCD works fine, but there is a loose connection in the cable 00:41:01 *** Dred_furst^away [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [] 00:41:02 <grimrc1> ohhh 00:41:03 <Bjarni> it's not the connectors, but the cable itself 00:41:07 <lws1984> well, the one I bought had a dead monitor cable, but my friend's didn't, so we just swapped out the mobo and it was fine 00:41:12 <SJ_Zero> Why should it reflect on them at all? They didn't design the battery, they got someone else who should have known about batteries to do it. 00:41:16 <Bjarni> I know where on the cable it is broken 00:41:35 <lws1984> me too, we had a bunch at work 00:41:42 <SJ_Zero> If you go to walmart to buy a desk and it falls apart, do you go "I'm totally to blame, I should have known that the desk that I bought at the store would fail completely" 00:41:43 <lws1984> damn things.. 00:41:58 <grimrc1> SJ_Zero: only if I try to sell it on 00:42:18 <grimrc1> except for the 'totally' part 00:42:18 <Bjarni> SJ_Zero: yeah, it's like when Apple (and a whole lot of other companies) bought a whole lot of really great capacitors.... and they leaked 00:42:27 <SJ_Zero> If you sold it before you knew that it fell apart, I don't see the issue. 00:42:40 <SJ_Zero> Once they knew it fell apart, they issued a recall. What else can you do? 00:42:47 <SJ_Zero> (Blew up) 00:42:48 <Bjarni> they didn't go "oh that's a great device.... will it leak after 3 months of usage?" 00:43:01 <lws1984> aye, they assume that it won't 00:43:08 <grimrc1> maybe if Apple, Dell, Sony & the other companies involved had open datasheets etc. we could all have laughed at how badly they test their batteries and avoid them 00:43:19 <grimrc1> not that I have one anyway 00:43:31 <SJ_Zero> imho, if they contract the batteries out, it's the responsibility of the contractor to make sure they aren't selling batteries that explode. 00:43:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> [2006-08-26 23:34] <grimrc1> imagine people must be smuggling oil; they do it for ciggarettes <- here, some people drive to poland to get cheaper fuel 00:43:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> that's basically smuggling 00:43:42 <DeadJohnUK89> I don't like Dell as it is...lol 00:43:44 <grimrc1> Eddi|zuHause3: yeah heard about that 00:43:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can get charged the tax if they catch you at the border 00:43:55 <lws1984> Dell makes lamezors compys 00:43:55 <Bjarni> if they test their batteries well, then they will be outdated once they are ready to hit the marked 00:44:12 <lws1984> how outdated can batteries get? 00:44:12 <SJ_Zero> Dell makes machines great for their purpose. :P 00:44:14 <grimrc1> Eddi|zuHause3: open borders are cool 00:44:18 <Bjarni> time is a really important factor here 00:44:22 <lws1984> SJ_Zero: what's that, target practice? 00:44:24 <DeadJohnUK89> My Dell power supply fluxed and killed everything =( 00:44:28 <SJ_Zero> Being totally cheap machines that don't die very often on the hardware side. 00:44:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> well... they are not 100% open 00:44:46 <lws1984> but they're not running gas inspections :p 00:44:47 <grimrc1> Eddi|zuHause3: I see that now - shame 00:44:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> more like 95% ;( 00:44:56 <lws1984> DeadJohnUK89: including you? 00:45:11 <DeadJohnUK89> lws1984: nah, it was you that killed me... 00:45:16 <lws1984> oh righ 00:45:17 <lws1984> *right 00:45:20 * lws1984 revives DeadJohnUK89 00:45:29 *** DeadJohnUK89 is now known as JohnUK89 00:45:31 <grimrc1> land borders are strange to a Briton 00:45:34 <lws1984> you are not dead, by the power of The Light 00:45:35 <JohnUK89> :) 00:45:39 <Bjarni> <SJ_Zero> Being totally cheap machines that don't die very often on the hardware side. <-- actually Dell aren't cheap when you compare price to performance. It's just that you can buy some low end computers (which might be good enough in some cases) 00:46:04 <lws1984> low end is for n00bs or people who can't afford the quick ones 00:46:07 <SJ_Zero> You can't put together a machine as solid as the one I'm using for the price they're selling it at from discrete components. Sure, you could use PC Chips motherboards and some wierd Sis or Acer chipset for less, but could you get a totally intel machine that's more or less not going to be available for 399cdn. 00:46:16 <lws1984> unfortuanately, most people fall in the latter category 00:46:39 <JohnUK89> lws, like my dad when he bought me the parts for this 00:47:03 <lws1984> hmm, and true low-end buyers then proceed to squeeze as much power as they can out of the machine 00:47:09 <JohnUK89> He got the cheapest 64 bit sempron he could find 00:47:13 <lws1984> I overclocked a Mac Plus! 00:47:20 <JohnUK89> Cheapest Mobo too... 00:47:33 <Bjarni> <lws1984> low end is for n00bs or people who can't afford the quick ones <-- or for people, who know what they are doing and just needs a computer for simple tasks, like word processor and little or nothing else 00:47:46 <lws1984> Bjarni: true 00:47:47 <JohnUK89> lws1984: yep, lol I had to overclock mine to make it anything like 00:47:57 <MaulingMonkey> I've been looking at the low end foor a personal dedicated server 00:48:01 <SJ_Zero> I threw a Radeon 9250 in this machine and it's fine for the level of gaming I throw at it. :P 00:48:06 <MaulingMonkey> which I'd mainly use for networked file storage 00:48:24 <JohnUK89> I'm buying a new machine next year, should have £1k for it :P 00:48:25 <MaulingMonkey> (*cough* anime *cough* source repository *cough*) 00:49:18 <Bjarni> <lws1984> I overclocked a Mac Plus! <-- reminds me of a friend of mine. He overclocked a PM6100 (601 PPC) from 60 to 84 MHz and added a lv2 cache. It then ran Marathon way faster (and I mean way faster) than a PM with a 120 MHz 603 PPC 00:49:47 <MaulingMonkey> Added? 00:50:06 <Bjarni> year 00:50:08 <Bjarni> *yeah 00:50:13 <MaulingMonkey> ! 00:50:16 <lws1984> hah 00:50:18 <Bjarni> some external card next to the CPU 00:50:20 <lws1984> sweet 00:50:25 <JohnUK89> PowerMac's didn't have L2?? 00:50:40 <Bjarni> remember that it was in the pre 100 MHz days 00:50:51 <JohnUK89> Yeah 00:50:51 <MaulingMonkey> Still, holy cow. 00:51:15 <Bjarni> JohnUK89: not all of them. PowerBook 5300 didn't have any and lacked a slot to add it as an addon 00:51:17 <JohnUK89> All the x86 machines had at least some at that point... 00:51:23 <JohnUK89> Bjarni: aah 00:51:55 <grimrc1> Bjarni: yeah I've heard the lack of cache is a killer for those old chips 00:52:02 <Bjarni> the 601 PPC was a really nice CPU, but it got discontinued rather quickly because it had a serious bug. I can't remember what it was though, only that it could not execute some of the CPU intensive apps 00:52:19 <Bjarni> like Virtual PC 00:52:34 <SJ_Zero> Unlike the pentium, that they just kept selling regardless. ;p 00:52:47 <JohnUK89> SJ_Zero: yeah lol 00:52:53 <JohnUK89> They could though 00:52:57 <JohnUK89> So they did :P 00:52:58 <grimrc1> some old Cyrix chip had a serious bug that meant it couldn't run Windows NT; they'd do a replacement if you contacted them apparently 00:53:23 <grimrc1> SJ_Zero: FDIV? 00:53:28 <JohnUK89> Aah Cyrix, the memories... 00:53:30 <Bjarni> it's getting late. Goodnight 00:53:33 <grimrc1> gn 00:53:37 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ae2.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:53:45 <SJ_Zero> Yes. :) 00:53:53 <SJ_Zero> 4.99999? Close enough. :P 00:54:02 <JohnUK89> My first x86 machine was a Cyrix PR166 :P 00:54:32 <grimrc1> should patches end in .patch or .diff? 00:54:33 <Sacro> i had a miggy 500 00:54:39 <Sacro> grimrc1: yes 00:54:44 <grimrc1> Amigas were cool 00:54:48 <SJ_Zero> The integer units in the clone of that era were pretty good, but the pentium, despite its problems, *was* the king of the fpu. 00:54:55 <grimrc1> Sacro: yes!? yes what? 00:54:56 <MaulingMonkey> grimrc1: yes. 00:55:02 <JohnUK89> grim, my last pre-x86 machine was an Amiga 500 :P 00:55:07 <Sacro> grimrc1> should patches end in .patch or .diff? <- yes 00:55:07 <MaulingMonkey> It matters not :P 00:55:11 <grimrc1> I mean, which one: patch or diff? 00:55:17 <Sacro> YES 00:55:26 <grimrc1> Sacro: the correct answer was: yes sir! 00:55:28 <Sacro> .patch || .diff == true 00:55:29 <SJ_Zero> If I remember, they had some sort of patent on the superscalar fpu so nobody could copy it, so while a pentium could do a tonne of ops in a clock cycle, everyone else had to do their ops inorder. :/ 00:55:34 <lws1984> grimrc1: aye sir! 00:56:07 <MaulingMonkey> (rand() & 0x1) ? ".patch" : ".diff" 00:56:11 <JohnUK89> SIR YES SIR!!! I WILL COME AND KICK THEIR ASSES! SIRRRR!!! 00:56:28 * lws1984 goes to warp so that JohnUK89 can get to where the asskicking is faster 00:56:40 <grimrc1> I think I prefer .diff 00:56:40 <JohnUK89> =D 00:56:58 <lws1984> but .patch is so self-explanatory 00:57:26 * MaulingMonkey thinks he will start naming his patches .feature s 00:57:36 <JohnUK89> Just whose ass are we kicking? 00:58:00 <Sacro> please say dubya 00:58:03 <lws1984> aye 00:58:04 <lws1984> Dubya! 00:58:11 <SJ_Zero> You think he'd notice? 00:58:21 <Sacro> doubt it 00:58:28 <Sacro> fake beard'd confuse him 00:58:31 <lws1984> We are kicking Dubya in the ass, head, whereever we can kick him and it hurts 00:58:36 <MaulingMonkey> current_channel->member[ rand() % current_channel->members ].name's, of course! 00:58:41 * lws1984 haddocks Dubya 00:58:46 <Sacro> anywho...its my bedtime 00:58:49 * JohnUK89 proceeds to beat Dubya with a lump of 2x4 00:58:54 <JohnUK89> Night Sacro 00:58:54 <SJ_Zero> He'd just sit there going "I wonder what happened to my pet goat....." 00:58:56 <SJ_Zero> :P 00:59:04 <grimrc1> actually I like .patch - .diff implies it's just the differences, but usually it's instructions to actually patch 01:00:29 <MaulingMonkey> OpenGFD! 01:00:33 <Sacro> heh 01:00:36 <Sacro> JohnUK89: night 01:01:00 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-62.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:09 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-62.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:02:48 <JohnUK89> :o 01:04:25 * JohnUK89 slaps apt-get 01:05:41 <grimrc1> emerge is better 01:06:04 <JohnUK89> Actually it's a connection issue...lol 01:06:20 <JohnUK89> This connection doesn't like me downloading more than about 2MB at a time 01:06:21 <Tefad> JohnUK89: or if you were in slackware, you'd be slapping slapt-get ; ) 01:06:37 <JohnUK89> Tefad: ;-) 01:06:49 <Tefad> emerge is slow : P 01:06:59 <JohnUK89> As are the Ubuntu repos :P 01:07:16 <Tefad> yeah? 01:07:34 <JohnUK89> So I hear 01:07:38 <JohnUK89> I can't test it 01:07:43 <JohnUK89> Because I'm on GORS 01:07:46 <JohnUK89> GPRS* 01:08:10 <Tefad> isn't that middle-band crap from wireless telcom? 01:08:18 <JohnUK89> Yeah 01:08:41 <grimrc1> expensive? 01:08:49 <JohnUK89> Nah :P 01:08:50 <SJ_Zero> Oh, since I'm hanging around, did anyone report a bug in version 0.4.0.1 where two ended electric trains would dissociate when you deleted the front and the back end of the car would end up flying around your track and would crash the game if you clicked on it or checked your trains menu? 01:08:52 <JohnUK89> Free *koff* 01:08:59 <Tefad> *wheeze* 01:09:08 <SJ_Zero> I know it's a silly question and utterly specific, but I figured I'd ask. 01:09:20 <Tefad> SJ_Zero: you could always search the bug reports, eh? 01:09:52 <Tefad> sounds like a really old bug 01:09:54 <grimrc1> SJ_Zero: what about 0.4.8? you shouldn't be using old ones 01:10:04 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 01:10:11 <grimrc1> isn't there an exploit in old openttds? 01:10:21 <Tefad> grimrc1: probably 01:10:31 <SJ_Zero> I know, I'm using the latest miniit or whatever it's called, but a freind of mine was using the old version on this super slow server he hacked together. 01:10:37 <grimrc1> buffer overflow or something? 01:10:38 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@ACCF16FE.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 01:10:48 <Tefad> grimrc1: most exploits are 01:10:56 <grimrc1> SJ_Zero: so you don't know if it works in 0.4.8? 01:11:12 <SJ_Zero> I'm not really sure how I'd test for it. That's why I was asking. 01:11:34 <Tefad> well you'd do the same thing to cause the bug in 0.4.0.1 and do it in 0.4.8 01:11:46 <grimrc1> yeah - is it reproducable? 01:11:49 <SJ_Zero> Thing is, it was in the middle of a 16 hour game. :P 01:12:05 <SJ_Zero> I've got the savegame of after it happened, but I'm not sure if I can reproduce it as it happened. 01:12:07 <Tefad> DO IT ; ) 01:12:08 <SJ_Zero> I'll check. 01:12:11 <Tefad> well 01:12:18 <Tefad> old save games might carry bugs with them 01:12:27 <Tefad> best to start from scratch in the new version 01:12:50 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 01:13:14 <grimrc1> Tefad: if old save game triggers bug in newest openttd, that might still be interesting 01:13:32 <SJ_Zero> To be honest, I have doubts that the games would be compatible, depending on the format. 01:13:33 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:13:47 <Tefad> grimrc1: i believe it has happened before 01:14:16 <SJ_Zero> If it's something like xml it will only complain a bit because it can't find the extra data, but if it's binary, I imagine you'd be stuck between versions. 01:14:41 * SJ_Zero doesn't know much about the way openttd was built. 01:15:47 <grimrc1> SJ_Zero: with GNU make, g++, ld and a few other things 01:16:39 * SJ_Zero smacks grimrc1 01:16:41 <SJ_Zero> Duh? 01:16:42 <SJ_Zero> :P 01:16:52 <grimrc1> hehe 01:17:02 <Tefad> patience 01:17:26 <SJ_Zero> ok, it doesn't look like the bug is easily reproducable. :/ 01:18:12 <SJ_Zero> I just tried making an electric and it was fine, the back didn't stick around as a "ghost", and it didn't hop out of the train house and start acting like a travelling gamecrash bug. :) 01:18:35 <SJ_Zero> If it happens again in this version I'll try to figure it out then. 01:19:00 <grimrc1> cool cheers 01:19:18 <grimrc1> not that I'd personally fix it if you did find it hehe 01:19:39 <grimrc1> probably too difficult for me 01:19:51 <SJ_Zero> I was just asking if anyone had reported it, not to have it fixed. :P 01:20:23 <grimrc1> oh is that all? bugs.openttd.org has a nice little list 01:22:04 <grimrc1> I'm playing with some of the patches now 01:22:13 <SJ_Zero> I've done a lot of bug testing for my favourite compiler, and a lot of bug fixing for my own projects. I know how this game works. :P 01:23:41 <grimrc1> telling people in IRC is a lot easily than using people's bugzilla's I know; but this project uses flyspray which is pretty nifty 01:24:14 <grimrc1> I'm new here btw; don't listen to what I say too much 01:24:17 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org] 01:25:43 <SJ_Zero> Sourceforge bug tracking et. al. in my experience is underutilized on all ends. 01:26:42 <SJ_Zero> The users will report bugs elsewhere because they're not familiar with the process, thus the developers will develop other means of keeping track, thus looking at bugzilla for bugs is a bit of an exersize in futility. 01:27:06 *** Name101|movies [~name101@CPE-139-168-97-26.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:29 <SJ_Zero> In a perfect world bugzilla would be good; in a perfect world, the engineering department in every single industrial plant in the world would have an up-to-date computerized cad drawing of everything in the plant. 01:27:49 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:27:49 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 01:27:51 <SJ_Zero> :P 01:30:07 <grimrc1> well - ish 01:30:58 <lws1984> in a perfect world, geeks would run the earth, that already would have happened, and we'd have discovered life on other planets by now 01:31:16 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@33.156.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 01:31:45 <grimrc1> sourceforge is ugly; all of the links show even if a project doesn't have any docs, for example; and many buglisters are ugly and hard to search; plus, it's annoying how you have to register to use so many of them - aRGHhhhGHh 01:32:47 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@33.156.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:33:15 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@33.156.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 01:35:50 *** Ammler [~Ammler@33.156.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:25 <MaulingMonkey> Ode to YO MOMMA 01:38:59 *** Ammler_ is now known as Ammler_pfuus 01:41:46 <SJ_Zero> Geeks *do* run the world. The suits just aren't smart enough to realize it. :P 01:47:19 <Zahl> if geeks would run the world one would be forced to sit in dark rooms and write useless bashscripts ;) 01:49:06 <grimrc1> useless!? whose side are you on? 01:49:45 <Zahl> if i only would know... 01:51:39 <SJ_Zero> If the geeks where I work decided to mutiny, this city would cease to exist thanks to the massive explosion from the recovery and power boilers. :P 01:53:07 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:53:18 <grimrc1> they're too timid to do that 01:54:49 <SJ_Zero> If you hold power and exersize it conservatively, does it mean you don't hold power? 01:55:45 <roboboy> how do i view a list of everyone in here 01:56:56 * SJ_Zero stares at the side of the screen. ;p 01:57:03 <SJ_Zero> but I bet /names will work too 01:57:17 <SJ_Zero> Yep. 02:03:49 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:05:37 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 02:13:16 *** testtest [~senfbr0t@p50843682.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:13:36 *** testtest [~senfbr0t@p50843682.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [] 02:22:49 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 02:23:25 <roboboy> i put some grfs in my data folder and added them to mu cfg and now openttd refuses to start 02:23:41 <roboboy> the grfs are the openttd coop ones 02:23:44 <JohnUK89> roboboy: what's the error? 02:23:53 <roboboy> it doesnt give one 02:24:04 <JohnUK89> try runnung from a terminal 02:24:08 <JohnUK89> running* 02:24:17 <roboboy> ok 02:24:30 <roboboy> im runing ubuntu by the way 02:24:35 <JohnUK89> Yeah, same here lol 02:25:27 <JohnUK89> If you put data\ in the newgrf section that will be why, it isn't needed 02:25:53 <JohnUK89> data/* 02:25:55 <roboboy> eror planesetnopes 02:25:55 *** Ammler_pfuus [~Ammler@33.156.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:26:18 <JohnUK89> roboboy: can you copy and paste it into here? 02:26:29 <grimrc1> roboboy: don't copy too much at once though 02:26:43 <roboboy> Error: NewGRF file missing: planesetw_459.grf 02:26:48 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: I'm only expecting 1 or 2 lines 02:26:57 <JohnUK89> roboboy: check the newgrf section 02:27:29 <JohnUK89> As I said above, data/ is not required in the paths 02:27:32 <JohnUK89> OpenTTD picks it up 02:27:50 <roboboy> yep 02:27:53 <roboboy> found it 02:28:22 <grimrc1> JohnUK89: openttd looks in data/data/ ? 02:28:42 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: nah it looks at paths relative to data/ 02:28:54 <grimrc1> oh 02:29:07 <JohnUK89> so if you said newgrf/grf.grf it would go to data/newgrf/grf/grf 02:29:09 <JohnUK89> .* 02:29:11 <JohnUK89> lol 02:29:19 <grimrc1> ? 02:29:26 <grimrc1> why would it turn . -> / 02:29:26 <JohnUK89> I'll write it again :P 02:29:42 <JohnUK89> data/newgrf/grf.grf 02:29:50 <roboboy> openttd isnt s smooth as on windows 02:30:01 <roboboy> s 02:30:16 <grimrc1> it uses SDL on Linux; that might be why 02:30:19 <JohnUK89> roboboy: have you tried static paths to the files? I dunno if they work but worth a shot 02:30:45 <roboboy> what do you mean 02:30:46 <grimrc1> you could try SDL_VIDEODRIVER="dga" openttd (in a terminal say); doesn't work for me though 02:30:54 <roboboy> ive solved my problem 02:30:59 <JohnUK89> roboboy: aah 02:30:59 <grimrc1> JohnUK89: you mean absolute paths? 02:31:03 <JohnUK89> Okies :P 02:31:07 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: yeah lol 02:31:09 <roboboy> im on the sandbox now 02:31:09 * JohnUK89 is a noob 02:31:15 <SJ_Zero> ok, need some advice: I've got 15 million pounds burning a hole in my pocket. Anybody got some fun ideas on how to play god with it? 02:31:18 <JohnUK89> roboboy: okies 02:31:21 <roboboy> im even more of a newb 02:31:34 <roboboy> ive only been using ubuntu for a weeek 02:31:43 <JohnUK89> roboboy: about 2 weeks here 02:31:49 <grimrc1> SJ_Zero: afraid not - playing openttd is like playing monopoly - it just gets boring after a while ;<( 02:31:53 <roboboy> ive crashed it twice 02:32:01 <JohnUK89> roboboy: 4 times :S 02:32:15 <JohnUK89> 2 of them were a module causing everything to lock though 02:32:19 <roboboy> youve been using it twice as long 02:32:38 <JohnUK89> roboboy: true lol 02:33:05 <roboboy> i tried runing a windows ap through wine and it crashed both times 02:33:23 <JohnUK89> roboboy: aah, wine always seems to work ok for me 02:33:46 <roboboy> i tried running clasic.exe off the dos ttd cd 02:33:55 <grimrc1> hehehe 02:33:55 <JohnUK89> roboboy: ah, bad idea :P 02:34:02 <grimrc1> roboboy: dosbox? 02:34:09 <JohnUK89> I'll probably reinstall when I move house...give myself a clean slate to update on 02:34:12 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: slow :P 02:34:16 <roboboy> but i tried trough wine 02:34:22 <grimrc1> I thought dosbox was the fast one? 02:34:31 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: it is :P 02:34:34 <roboboy> i got theme park original working in dosbox 02:34:35 <JohnUK89> It's still slow 02:35:04 <JohnUK89> roboboy: I got a few things working in DOSBox :) 02:35:14 <JohnUK89> That was all in Winblows though 02:35:27 <JohnUK89> Not got round to testing it in Linux yet 02:35:30 <roboboy> openttd is really blocky when i move around the map with left click 02:35:43 <grimrc1> "blocky"? 02:35:53 <JohnUK89> roboboy: what graphics card? 02:36:05 <JohnUK89> That can be caused by lack of acceleration/DRI 02:36:07 <roboboy> nvidia gforce 02:36:22 <JohnUK89> roboboy: nvidia drivers installed? 02:36:22 <SJ_Zero> I wish openttd had some "playing god with your money" options. 02:36:49 <roboboy> thats probably the reason 02:36:49 <SJ_Zero> You know making the towns grow or shrink, or founding a new one using a ridiculous amount of cash. 02:36:58 <JohnUK89> Lol 02:37:07 <JohnUK89> This isn't SimCity ;-) 02:37:28 <JohnUK89> Talking of that...May as well give it a go in DOSBox later 02:37:31 <roboboy> which drivers do i need 02:37:40 <JohnUK89> roboboy: what model of card is it? 02:37:50 <roboboy> i can give you the ubuntu downl0oad link for dosbox 02:37:57 <JohnUK89> roboboy: I compiled it ;-) 02:38:03 <grimrc1> SJ_Zero: you're not the first to request funding of new cities 02:38:09 <grimrc1> I saw it on flyspray 02:38:19 <roboboy> ok 02:38:25 <roboboy> its a gforce 4 02:38:35 <JohnUK89> MX, normal or Ti? 02:38:42 <grimrc1> who knows, maybe it'll be incorporated 02:38:48 <roboboy> not shure 02:39:01 <grimrc1> lspci -v can give you some details 02:39:05 <SJ_Zero> Damnit, historically, transport tycoons used their money to play god. 02:39:10 <SJ_Zero> I WANT THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE! :P 02:39:20 <grimrc1> hehe 02:40:08 <grimrc1> what could the game engine possibly support though SJ_Zero ? 02:40:24 <grimrc1> apart from buying cities and industries, and terraforming 02:40:35 <JohnUK89> roboboy: you could try running glxinfo from a terminal to tell you what card it is 02:41:04 <grimrc1> I suppose you could buy most of the land in the game and turn it in to a fascist state 02:41:18 <SJ_Zero> I'm thinking along the lines of more control. 02:41:35 <JohnUK89> More control than owning the planet?? wtf? :P 02:41:37 <grimrc1> doesn't tell me mine JohnUK89 02:41:48 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: aah, does mine 02:41:53 <grimrc1> I think lspci -v is better 02:41:54 <SJ_Zero> Like pump millions into one city to see it expand and pump millions into another to destroy it. 02:41:56 <roboboy> nor me 02:42:00 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: it is...lol 02:42:15 <JohnUK89> roboboy: use lspci -v then 02:42:21 <roboboy> have any of you used terminatorx 02:42:28 <grimrc1> what's that? 02:43:00 <JohnUK89> roboboy: I'm just downloading it now lol 02:43:25 <JohnUK89> Dunno what it is...but I'm downloading it...just because you mentioned it 02:43:51 <grimrc1> is it an openttd thing? 02:44:02 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: nah lol 02:44:06 <roboboy> the card is mx 02:44:09 <JohnUK89> I know it's not that 02:44:25 <JohnUK89> roboboy: run sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy 02:44:28 <roboboy> its a dv program 02:44:28 <SJ_Zero> I thought I was doing that when I was spending 42 million dollars on new commercial buildings, but I was just wasting my money. :/ 02:44:33 <grimrc1> oh is it nvidia tweaker!? 02:44:54 <grimrc1> SJ_Zero: not necessarily - doesn't it take ages for the sky scrapers to appear (not many though) 02:44:55 <SJ_Zero> lspci is a linux command. :P 02:45:12 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: nvclock is an nvidia tweaker :P 02:45:16 <SJ_Zero> No, but if I do it once or I do it a billion times, it doesn't change what's going to happen. 02:45:30 <grimrc1> SJ_Zero: try a small town?? 02:45:33 <SJ_Zero> Otherwise I would have seen something really nifty over time for my 42 million dollars of commercial buildings. 02:45:36 <roboboy> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) 02:45:37 <roboboy> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? 02:45:50 <JohnUK89> roboboy: are you installing anything else? 02:45:56 <JohnUK89> Or doing an upgrade? 02:46:11 <roboboy> just realised what it was 02:46:13 <JohnUK89> And did you definitely put sudo before it :P 02:46:16 <grimrc1> roboboy: maybe - try lsof | grep -i /var/lib/dpkg/lock or fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock 02:46:36 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: nah simple error 02:46:36 <roboboy> i had synaptic 02:46:40 <roboboy> open 02:46:44 <grimrc1> oh 02:46:46 <JohnUK89> roboboy: aha 02:46:51 <roboboy> stupid me 02:47:00 <grimrc1> well lsof & fuser are useful to find out what is causing it - read the man pages sometime 02:47:09 <roboboy> im used to windows being able to have multiple installers open at once 02:47:17 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: basically means either someone is already using a package manager or the permissions aren't there 02:47:26 <JohnUK89> roboboy: same lol I still make that mistake 02:47:45 <roboboy> should i restart openttd 02:48:02 <roboboy> its still blockky 02:48:08 <JohnUK89> roboboy: once it's installed run sudo nvidia-xconfig and restart the X server 02:49:25 <roboboy> sudo nvidia-xconfig and restart the X server 02:49:37 <roboboy> sudo: nvidia-xconfig: command not found 02:49:40 <JohnUK89> lol 02:49:45 <JohnUK89> hmm 02:49:56 <JohnUK89> try sudo nvidia-glx-config enable 02:50:03 <roboboy> im still used to cntrol c coppying in windows 02:50:21 <JohnUK89> lol 02:50:27 <JohnUK89> No such luck :P 02:51:00 <JohnUK89> Mind you, you can't use Ctrl-C to copy from command prompt in Windows 02:51:54 <roboboy> Error: your X configuration has been altered. 02:51:54 <roboboy> This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this 02:51:54 <roboboy> not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following 02:51:54 <roboboy> command: 02:51:54 <roboboy> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum 02:51:57 <roboboy> otherwise edit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section 02:51:59 <roboboy> from nv to nvidia. 02:52:19 <JohnUK89> right, run gksudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf 02:52:22 <roboboy> i cant get terminatorx to output an audio file 02:52:30 <JohnUK89> (has to be same case) 02:53:05 <roboboy> sudo: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: command not found 02:53:10 <JohnUK89> oops 02:53:24 <JohnUK89> gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf 02:54:01 <JohnUK89> Head down to the device section 02:54:13 <JohnUK89> and where it says nv change it to nvidia 02:54:13 <roboboy> now the text editor has opened 02:55:11 <JohnUK89> right 02:55:11 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-197-033.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:55:18 <JohnUK89> search for Section "Device" 02:55:37 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-192-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:55:47 <JohnUK89> and change Driver "nv" to Driver "nvidia" 02:57:27 <roboboy> done 02:57:47 <roboboy> do i restart openttd 02:58:01 <JohnUK89> You'll need to log out and back in 02:58:06 <roboboy> ok 02:58:21 <JohnUK89> (if it kills your pc don't blame me) :P 02:58:24 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:58:41 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:59:05 <JohnUK89> That was a quick turnover lol 03:00:13 <roboboy> do i have to restart 03:00:23 <roboboy> im off to breaky 03:00:25 <JohnUK89> You shouldn't have to 03:00:34 <roboboy> its still blocky 03:00:38 <JohnUK89> Hmm 03:00:47 <JohnUK89> What resolution are you running it in? 03:00:50 *** roboboy is now known as robobreaky 03:01:26 <JohnUK89> Hmm, I need sleep 03:02:04 <JohnUK89> I'm gradually staying up later and later, should be the other way round lol I'm about to go back to Sixth Form 03:02:47 *** JohnUK89 is now known as JohnUK89|ZzZzZ 03:02:48 <grimrc1> oh well 24 mod 24 = 0 03:03:18 <JohnUK89|ZzZzZ> Night :) 03:03:21 <grimrc1> any devs about who want to apply some clean patches to the svn? 03:04:57 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-2676.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:11:19 *** robobreaky is now known as roboboy 03:13:09 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:15:24 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:25:00 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-192-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! 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08:23:18 <AlexFili> anyone here? 08:23:59 <AlexFili> what is the point in having a chatroom with 50 people, if all of them are away... 08:24:10 <AlexFili> GROUND CONTROL TO MAJOR TOM? 08:24:32 <AlexFili> CALLING INTERNATIONAL RESCUE! 08:25:20 *** mode/#openttd [+o Tron] by ChanServ 08:25:20 *** AlexFili was kicked from #openttd by Tron [No reason to shout] 08:25:31 *** AlexFili [~AlexFili@host86-136-217-106.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:25:35 *** mode/#openttd [-o Tron] by Tron 08:25:38 <AlexFili> hi 08:25:44 <AlexFili> do you know anything about dedicated servers? 08:27:23 <AlexFili> Tron? 08:29:50 <AlexFili> I think there is a need to shout, if even the person who booted me wont respond 08:30:01 <AlexFili> this is boring someone say something 08:30:40 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 08:30:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 08:30:42 <Darkvater> OMG KUDr is back? 08:30:50 <Darkvater> Hiya KUDr :D 08:30:54 <Bjarni> AlexFili: the master server is overloaded 08:30:54 *** exe [~dgjk@in.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 08:31:00 <AlexFili> it is? :o 08:31:05 <Bjarni> or rather, it got more servers than it was designed for 08:31:10 <Darkvater> it does? 08:31:16 <AlexFili> cant you like... boot the 0/0 0/0 servers? 08:31:20 <AlexFili> i want to host a game 08:31:44 <Bjarni> a fix is in progress, but it's a design flaw, so such a fix is rather big 08:31:53 <Darkvater> Bjarni: is that since last-evening? 08:31:58 <AlexFili> :o so this might not even get fixed until 0.5.0?! 08:32:11 <AlexFili> Darkvater i was playing a game on my own DS last night, but this morning... nothing 08:32:14 <Darkvater> AlexFili: it is irrelevant to the game-version 08:32:32 <Darkvater> AlexFili: you can still play whatever you want, just your server won't show up on servers.openttd.org 08:32:44 <Darkvater> AlexFili: if you play with friends, give them your IP address and they can join 08:32:46 <AlexFili> which means i'll be on my own... whoopie lol 08:33:02 <Bjarni> Darkvater: well TL told me last night that the server got problems. It got a hardlimit of 120 servers and right now it can't transfer all server info in a single burst and it will only send a single burst, hence it got more info than it will send out 08:33:14 <Bjarni> failure to register could be related to that hard limit 08:33:34 <Darkvater> I thought it updates the servers one-by-one, sleeping on it #x seconds 08:33:42 <AlexFili> I think the first step to solving this is to stop all the old openTTD versions working... i mean, is there a reason to play 0.4.0? 08:33:44 <Bjarni> AlexFili: try to start a client and count the servers... if there are 120, then you know why you can't register/advetise 08:34:01 <AlexFili> Bjarni cant you just reset all the server list? 08:34:14 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> I thought it updates the servers one-by-one, sleeping on it #x seconds <-- so did I, but TL said that it's a single burst system 08:34:23 <Darkvater> well if he says so 08:34:29 <Darkvater> AlexFili: how does that solve anything? 08:34:44 <AlexFili> Darkvater there are 100 servers with 0 people on them... is that fair? when some people actually want to play? 08:34:59 <AlexFili> isnt that exactly the same as buying 80% of a stadium, and no one turns up? 08:35:12 <Darkvater> AlexFili: and what do you do when the servers is full again? 08:35:18 <Darkvater> let's say 2 days from now? 08:35:22 <Darkvater> keep resetting it? 08:35:28 <AlexFili> well... i suppose so 08:35:31 <Darkvater> just be patient and it'll get fixed 08:35:43 <AlexFili> a week? a month? half a year? >_< 08:35:55 <AlexFili> fine... i'll wait 08:35:56 <Darkvater> Bjarni: uint16 order = GB(w->window_number, 16, 16); <-- we have typedefs for orders 08:35:59 <Nigel> a century are the very most 08:36:11 <AlexFili> by the way... IM TRYING TO RUN A TOYLAND SERVER 08:36:16 <Darkvater> ah 08:36:19 <AlexFili> isnt that like... super important? it was full yesterday 08:36:27 <Darkvater> master-server bans all toyland servers 08:36:28 <AlexFili> surely i should be given server priority lol 08:36:30 <Darkvater> sorry 08:36:36 <Bjarni> Darkvater: yeah, but that's a byte o_O 08:36:38 <AlexFili> no it wasent, i played it yesterday 08:36:52 <Darkvater> that was a bug 08:37:06 <AlexFili> what do you mean? 08:37:43 <AlexFili> toyland servers arent allowed? 08:37:43 <Nigel> code bug allowed toyland games to be played 08:37:46 <Darkvater> master-server is buggy in that it allows toyland servers at times 08:37:51 <Darkvater> but they're usually banned 08:37:54 <AlexFili> whats so bad about toyland servers? 08:37:55 <Nigel> the bug has been fixed :P 08:38:08 <AlexFili> well i played toyland yesterday 08:38:22 <Bjarni> why am I not surprised? 08:38:24 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 08:38:38 <AlexFili> so um... whats so bad about playing toyland servers that it requires a ban? 08:39:47 <Darkvater> Bjarni: OrderID index; ///< Index of the order, is not saved or anything, just for reference 08:39:51 <Darkvater> please use OrderID 08:40:19 <AlexFili> Darkvater do you see any problem with toyland? 08:40:23 <Darkvater> yes 08:40:36 <AlexFili> would you be so kind as to inform me? 08:40:41 <Darkvater> it hurts my eyes 08:40:58 <AlexFili> well, when i played it yesterday... there were 7 other people on my server 08:41:11 <Darkvater> probably just as nuts as you are :) 08:41:11 <AlexFili> I had the server up for 12 hours 08:41:24 <AlexFili> and whats so wrong with being nuts? why do we need to get banned? 08:41:27 <Darkvater> although someone IS making a toyland set ^^ 08:41:29 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 08:41:40 <Darkvater> AlexFili: dude, we're messing with you 08:41:45 <AlexFili> :o 08:41:53 <AlexFili> so you really dont get banned for toyland servers? 08:42:06 <Bjarni> ahh got it mixed up with VehicleOrderID 08:42:07 <AlexFili> phew thats a relief lol 08:42:18 <AlexFili> Darkvater you should save those kinda things for april fools day lol 08:42:30 <Bjarni> TL made a commit about those names the other day. It was named differently when I decided upon uint16 08:42:51 <Darkvater> Bjarni: all you had to do is look at v->orders.index 08:42:55 <AlexFili> so, is there a reason why 120 TTD players have left their dedicated servers on? 08:43:21 <Bjarni> I looked up OrderID, and it said byte. Now that one is named VehicleOrderID 08:43:39 <AlexFili> also btw; Sunday, August 27th 2006 08:43 GMT, Currently there are 86 servers online 08:43:53 <Bjarni> oh well, if that is the only problem in that commit, I won't argue 08:43:53 <AlexFili> 86 =/= 120 08:43:57 <Darkvater> AlexFili: we have had almost 100.000 downloads of 0.4.7 and already about 20.000 downloads of 0.4.8. It is more than probably that there are INDEED that many servers 08:43:58 <Bjarni> I will fix it today 08:44:07 <Bjarni> right now I got a different patch in my trunk 08:44:37 <Bjarni> almost done "control click to send vehicle to depot for service(not stopping)" patch 08:44:39 <Darkvater> Bjarni: do you want me to start about the massive code-duplication you've added? 08:45:17 *** exe [~dgjk@in.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 08:45:36 <Bjarni> it's not that massive since the 4 vehicle types were already splitted that much 08:45:44 <AlexFili> "Toyland Extreme Reborn" :o <<< my server was called 'Toyland Extreme' 08:45:46 <KUDr> [10:30:50] <Darkvater> Hiya KUDr :D <- heya! (not full time back yet) 08:45:59 <Bjarni> but since the functions are that much alike, we should unify them 08:46:17 <Bjarni> I just think the unification deserves a commit of it's own due to bug hunting 08:46:31 <AlexFili> Darkvater do you know if the master server would be full by 86 servers? 08:46:48 <Darkvater> KUDr: more than enough? :) 08:47:05 <Darkvater> -? 08:47:22 <KUDr> heh, i become mad from the other task and need relax (openttd) 08:47:22 <Bjarni> <AlexFili> Darkvater do you know if the master server would be full by 86 servers? <-- it should not. Then the problem is in your end, most likely a firewall or something 08:47:33 <Darkvater> Bjarni: good to hear you're thinking about that. Won't bug you further with that then 08:47:45 <AlexFili> well, it says "advertising to master server" but then it stops 08:47:54 <AlexFili> it doesnt say "now on master server!" or anything 08:48:01 <Darkvater> Bjarni: I only have one more issue with that commit. It would be great if you could see a way to rename the 1<<8 magic number to something else 08:48:01 <AlexFili> any idea what the problem could be? 08:48:15 <Darkvater> Bjarni: something like (order<<16)|SHARE_FLAG 08:48:18 <Darkvater> or something 08:48:54 <Bjarni> ahh 08:48:57 <Bjarni> good point 08:49:27 <Darkvater> hasbit(w->window_number, 8) says nothing ;p 08:49:36 <Darkvater> if you rename it, you don't even need the comment 08:50:09 <AlexFili> i can see a server at 2090, is that normal? 08:50:18 <Darkvater> yes 08:50:28 <AlexFili> i thought 2050 was the end date? 08:51:19 <Bjarni> that's 2051 and you can play on even after the game ended 08:51:31 <AlexFili> does it loop around at 2090 or something? 08:51:57 <Bjarni> the end is only when you get added to the highscore (or fails in that task) and you can continue to play for fun 08:52:11 <Bjarni> AlexFili: have you been living under a rock or something? 08:52:13 <Bjarni> err 08:52:17 <Bjarni> forget that I asked that :p 08:52:21 <AlexFili> um... no, i just never stayed on a server that long 08:55:05 <AlexFili> ah yes, 2090 does loop around 08:55:24 <AlexFili> does that mean, the inflation get stuck? or does that rise infinitely? 08:55:33 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Au reviour!] 08:56:32 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C5AD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:56:37 <AlexFili> well the master server isnt full... its gone up to 88 now 08:56:48 <AlexFili> so... any remote idea as to why my server wont work? 08:57:06 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:57:53 <AlexFili> server_advertise = true 08:57:54 <AlexFili> lan_internet = 0 08:58:11 <AlexFili> server_bind_ip = 192.168.1.2 (my ip) 08:58:26 <AlexFili> server_port = 3979 (the ttd port) 08:58:57 <AlexFili> i dont see any problems anywhere... yet for some reason i never get the "now on master server!" message 08:59:43 <AlexFili> does anyone know what I could have done wrong? 09:02:04 <AlexFili> would reinstalling 0.4.8 be a good idea? 09:03:32 <Darkvater> did you miss the first part of the discussion? 09:03:37 <Darkvater> master server is broken 09:03:44 <AlexFili> but theres only 88 servers there 09:03:52 <Darkvater> it IS broken 09:04:05 <AlexFili> what makes you say that? 09:04:11 <Darkvater> *sigh* 09:04:25 <AlexFili> the number of servers rose from 86 to 88 09:04:34 <AlexFili> that means two people have successfully created servers 09:04:49 <AlexFili> and now theres 89 09:05:17 <AlexFili> <Darkvater> master server is broken <<< thats not another lie is it? :p 09:05:39 <Darkvater> the master server is broken, if you DO get on, you're just lucky 09:05:58 <AlexFili> anyone know why it broke? 09:10:31 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:11:49 <Nigel> AlexFili, because there is such a thing as 'bugs' 09:14:10 <Darkvater> this reminds me 09:14:13 <Darkvater> http://www.qdb.us/56571 09:14:42 <AlexFili> :o wow you actually quoted it? 09:14:42 <Nigel> haha 09:15:13 * Nigel gives it a giant + 09:15:39 * AlexFili expects everyone to know exactly what AlexFili picked 09:15:57 <AlexFili> by the way, i'm very greatful for everyone who has helped me today :p 09:16:08 <Darkvater> Bjarni quoted that :) 09:16:51 <Bjarni> I didn't say that I quoted that. I just say that it shows up when you search for my name 09:17:05 <Bjarni> due to Sacro, I have to search for my own name once in a while 09:17:57 <Darkvater> ah 09:18:03 <Darkvater> my quotes are gay 09:18:33 <Bjarni> suits you well :P 09:18:36 * Bjarni hides 09:18:42 * Darkvater gayifies Bjarni 09:18:53 <AlexFili> just one final question, any idea when the server list will be back to normal? 09:18:58 <Bjarni> no 09:19:01 <Darkvater> when it's fixed 09:19:10 <Bjarni> yeah, that's likely the answer 09:26:28 *** exe [~dgjk@in.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 09:28:25 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:28:53 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 09:28:57 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6165 /trunk/ (9 files in 2 dirs): 09:28:57 <CIA-2> -Feature: control click Goto Depot will now make the vehicle service at the depot and leave right away 09:28:57 <CIA-2> to tell the difference, stopping vehicles will write the depot name in green (in heading for) while servicing vehicles will write it in green 09:28:57 <CIA-2> (think of signal colours here) 09:28:57 <CIA-2> Removed some dead code in CmdSendAircraftToHangar() since it conflicted with this. Now the bits in p2 means the same in all goto depot commands 09:29:17 *** Wombles [~wombles@gethsemane.odgers.id.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:29:38 <Bjarni> Brianetta request this many times, so I decided to make it 09:29:54 <Bjarni> turned out not to be as complex as I thought it would 09:29:57 <KUDr> Bjarni: good! 09:30:00 <Darkvater> so both is green? 09:30:03 <Darkvater> *are* 09:30:36 * Bjarni hits himself very hard 09:30:41 <Bjarni> stopping is red 09:30:44 <Bjarni> typo 09:30:45 <Bjarni> :( 09:30:50 <Darkvater> nice typo 09:31:15 <Bjarni> TrueLight: we really need to edit the commit log 09:35:08 <Bjarni> actually I think I created more broken strings than I added lines of code because I added that green/red thing and two tooltips for each vehicle window 09:35:21 <Bjarni> the translators will be happy to hear that :p 09:36:23 <Darkvater> if (!HASBIT(p2,0)) <-- code style! 09:39:12 *** AlexFili [~AlexFili@host86-136-217-106.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:39:34 *** AlexFili [~AlexFili@host86-136-217-106.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:39:44 <AlexFili> thanks for your help everyone 09:39:52 <AlexFili> bye 09:39:55 *** AlexFili [~AlexFili@host86-136-217-106.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 09:40:43 *** Name101 [~Name.101@CPE-139-168-97-26.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:41:11 <Darkvater> openttd@nl ~ $ svnadmin setlog /home/openttd/svn --bypass-hooks -r6165 msg 09:41:13 <Darkvater> Bjarni: fixed 09:41:22 <Darkvater> -Feature: control click Goto Depot will now make the vehicle service at the depot and leave right away. To tell the difference the status of stopping vehicles will be in red, while servicing vehicles will be green. 09:41:26 <Darkvater> -Codechange: remove some dead code in CmdSendAircraftToHangar() since it is conflicting with new functionality. Now p2 means the same for all types 09:41:56 <Darkvater> eh shit I mean 09:42:04 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 6165 09:42:05 <_42_> Commit by bjarni :: r6165 /trunk/ (9 files in 2 dirs) (2006-08-27 09:28:52 UTC) 09:42:07 <_42_> -Feature: control click Goto Depot will now make the vehicle service 09:42:09 <_42_> at the depot and leave right away. 09:42:11 <_42_> To tell the difference the status of stopping vehicles will be in red, 09:42:13 <_42_> while servicing vehicles will be green. 09:42:15 <_42_> -Codechange: remove some dead code in CmdSendAircraftToHangar() since it is 09:42:17 <_42_> (...) (truncated) 09:42:21 <Darkvater> there we go :) 09:42:29 <Name101> kool 09:42:31 <Name101> lol 09:42:34 <Name101> good work 09:42:46 *** AlexFili [~AlexFili@host86-136-217-106.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:42:59 <AlexFili> hi again, just thought i'd let you know, my server is working now 09:43:18 <Darkvater> all toyland players all over the world..rejoice! 09:43:20 <Darkvater> :) 09:43:22 <AlexFili> :) 09:43:34 <Name101> =D 09:44:36 <Name101> Alex 09:44:38 <Name101> . 09:44:47 <Bjarni> good 09:44:48 <AlexFili> yeah? 09:44:57 <Name101> what speed is ur server/ 09:44:58 <Name101> ? 09:45:01 <AlexFili> broadband 09:45:04 <Bjarni> usually typos in the changelog aren't as bad as this one 09:45:18 <Bjarni> it totally damaged the meaning :( 09:45:26 *** exe [~dgjk@in.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 09:45:32 <Name101> what speed..cause i got Broard band at 256/64] 09:45:36 <AlexFili> why do you ask Name101 09:45:45 <AlexFili> 512-560kbps i think 09:45:59 <Name101> i have connection probs with lower end servers 09:46:08 <Name101> =D 09:46:37 <AlexFili> you want to play toyland? :) 09:47:00 <Name101> yeah i might when i finish installing my drivers xD 09:47:13 <AlexFili> good 09:47:55 <AlexFili> anyone else is welcome to join "TOYLAND EXTREME" i'll host it for 2 hours 09:47:57 <AlexFili> well, bye 09:48:00 *** AlexFili [~AlexFili@host86-136-217-106.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 09:48:41 <Darkvater> TrueLight: ping 09:49:47 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 09:50:45 <CIA-2> KUDr * r6166 /trunk/yapf/yapf_base.hpp: -Fix: [YAPF] fixes one very improbable assert when adding startup node that already exists in the open-list (thanks Panzerfather) 09:51:16 <Darkvater> hehe panzerfather 09:52:02 <KUDr> like darkfather :) 09:52:16 <Darkvater> similar...but no 09:52:43 <Darkvater> this is my second nick ever. My first nick was A-Tom or Atom 09:52:49 <Darkvater> should I use that instead? ^^ 09:53:14 <Zaviori> A-Tom sounds gay 09:53:23 * Zaviori goes to hide 09:53:25 <Darkvater> hey, I was 10 okay 09:53:47 <Darkvater> no wait, 12 09:53:49 <KUDr> hehe 09:53:55 <Zaviori> I pwnt you then! 09:53:59 <Darkvater> we used it for command&conquer 09:54:00 <Zaviori> I've used this nick since I was 11 :p 09:54:04 <KUDr> so young gay? 09:54:18 * Darkvater amputates KUDr genitals 09:54:38 <KUDr> ok, i didn't use them anyway 09:54:43 *** WaZZa [~kalsbeek9@81-17-60-79.dsl.fiberworld.nl] has joined #openttd 09:54:53 <Darkvater> that's just sad 09:55:25 <KUDr> why? good food is better (and less dangerous in my age) 09:55:31 * Name101 O.o 09:55:42 <Name101> how old are u 09:55:46 <KUDr> 40 09:55:55 <Name101> oh makes more sence 09:55:56 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6167 /trunk/ (6 files): -Code cleanup r6161: replaced some uint16 with OrderID and (1 << 8) with SHARE_FLAG 09:55:57 <WaZZa> Anyone knows a good site for some strategies for OpenTTD? 09:56:02 <TrueLight> Darkvater: pong 09:56:05 <Name101> forums can help 09:56:16 <Bjarni> Darkvater: here you go 09:56:31 <Name101> WaZZa: i found on on the forum 09:56:38 <Name101> one* 09:56:42 <WaZZa> Where? 09:56:55 <WaZZa> Couldn't find one that quick, so I decided to join IRC. :P 09:57:04 <Zaviori> Just play :P 09:57:52 <WaZZa> Yeah, but I want to know strategies. ;D 09:58:48 <TrueLight> Something is using 100% CPU on a server, and it doesn't show up at 'top'.... amazing :s 09:58:53 <Name101> um....i would look but i dont have my ATI drivers installed and the screan refeshes to slow 09:59:24 <Bjarni> TrueLight: top lacks CPU power to figure out what it is ;) 09:59:36 <Bjarni> it shouldn't, but I have seen that happening before 09:59:45 <TrueLight> Bjarni: that aint the problem 10:00:40 <TrueLight> it seems to be clamd 10:01:39 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-192-229.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 10:03:06 <TrueLight> pisg uses much CPU too 10:04:04 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6168 /trunk/ (aircraft_gui.c train_gui.c): -Code cleanup r6161: removed a newline and added a tab. Thanks TrueLight 10:04:15 <Bjarni> now that was a huge issue :p 10:04:33 <TrueLight> :) I couldn't sleep because of it :( 10:04:35 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6169 /trunk/ (6 files): 10:04:35 <CIA-2> -Codechange: Use GetString() instead of GetStringWithArgs() which should be 10:04:35 <CIA-2> integral to strings.c 10:05:22 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6562.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:07:19 <Darkvater> let's eat 10:07:27 <TrueLight> gimme too! 10:07:51 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:49 *** AlexFili [~AlexFili@host86-136-217-106.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:08:53 <AlexFili> I found a bug 10:09:11 <AlexFili> in toyland, when I cloned a ship, the cost went under "Ship Running Costs" instead of "New Vehicles" 10:09:46 <Nigel> why is there a toyland? 10:09:54 <AlexFili> Nigel, because some people like playing it lol 10:09:57 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:09:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:09:57 <TrueLight> hehe, nice bug :) 10:10:10 <AlexFili> why is there tropical and sub-tropical? :p 10:10:17 <AlexFili> to give the game more VARIETY 10:10:27 <AlexFili> same reason "alternate" was in the origional TT 10:11:47 <Bjarni> bbl 10:11:51 <MaulingMonkey> Toyland makes my brain hurt. 10:12:04 <MaulingMonkey> Fortunately, I have the choice not to use it :P 10:12:07 <Bjarni> AlexFili: I will take a look later, but I'm out of time now 10:12:07 <AlexFili> stop complaining about it!!! 10:12:14 <AlexFili> ok Bjarni i respect your decision 10:12:25 <Bjarni> actually try to use the newest version. I think I already fixed that 10:12:26 <AlexFili> if you dont like toyland dont play it lol 10:12:31 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53588ae3.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:12:33 <AlexFili> im using 0.4.8 10:12:36 <AlexFili> but not the nightly build 10:12:52 <AlexFili> anyway its not a major bug, so just leave it till 0.5.0 or something lol 10:12:56 <AlexFili> well, bye everyone 10:12:58 *** AlexFili [~AlexFili@host86-136-217-106.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 10:16:14 <MaulingMonkey> ...exodus! 10:16:17 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 10:19:44 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 10:21:00 *** Hawk-N_ [~hawknet@host-81-191-198-51.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 10:22:29 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:22:47 *** terje_ [~terje@vpn-22216.vpn-s.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 10:27:19 *** Hawk-N [~hawknet@host-81-191-198-51.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:28:14 *** terje [~terje@117.80-202-25.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:28:23 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 10:28:23 *** terje_ is now known as terje 10:36:03 *** Kimppa [~kleppane@tuxedo.abo.fi] has joined #openttd 10:36:13 <Kimppa> Hi 10:36:59 <Kimppa> I was wondering if it's a bug or "feature" in the game, that I won't get any income if I have a train that only transports mail and passangers 10:37:03 *** Ammler [~Ammler@33.156.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 10:37:41 <Kimppa> by not getting any income, I mean, the train is full, once it arrives a "sum" plops up, but that sum isn't added to my account nor is it shown in "train income"??? 10:37:42 <Gonozal_VIII> feature if the station doesn't accept passengers or mail 10:38:16 <Triffid_Hunter> Kimppa: which version? 10:38:17 <Kimppa> both stations accept both mail and passangers 10:38:22 <Darkvater> Kimppa: are you using 'transfer' ? 10:38:29 <Kimppa> Darkvater: yes I am 10:38:33 <Darkvater> feature 10:38:39 <Kimppa> umm..? 10:38:44 <Darkvater> then it's a feature 10:38:47 <Kimppa> I shouldn't use transfer? 10:38:54 <Kjetil> no 10:38:54 <Darkvater> do you know what transfer does? 10:38:58 <Gonozal_VIII> use either full load or nothing at all 10:39:06 <Kimppa> ...actually, no I don't :P 10:39:09 <Triffid_Hunter> Kimppa: isn't transfer to pass goods onto another train? 10:39:11 <Darkvater> then don't use it :) 10:39:16 *** Name101 [~Name.101@CPE-139-168-97-26.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 10:39:23 <Kimppa> :D 10:39:25 <Darkvater> Kimppa: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Transfer_order%2C_setting_up_feeder_systems 10:39:28 <Kimppa> ok, let's give it a shot 10:39:37 <Darkvater> Kimppa: read that and come back if you still have questions 10:39:52 * Triffid_Hunter reads too 10:40:39 <Gonozal_VIII> btw is the bug with loading after a transfer fixed? 10:41:16 <Kimppa> lovely, now I'm betting the money I deserve :) 10:41:26 <Kimppa> hmpf, manual, what's that ;) 10:47:44 <Kimppa> yup, read it. Thank you for your help! That explained a lot! 10:49:46 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6170 /trunk/ (network.c settings.c): -Feature: save max_companies/clients/spectators in the config file. 10:51:27 * TrueLight hugs Darkvater :) 10:51:40 <Darkvater> wee, get it off! get it off!! 10:52:15 <Darkvater> Tron: did you have any other ideas about the airport-depot-bug? 10:55:28 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-192-229.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: muss wech] 10:57:42 <Gonozal_VIII> reserved path :-) 10:58:08 <Gonozal_VIII> if that bug is what i think it is... 11:00:01 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: miika] 11:00:16 <Darkvater> http://web.telia.com/~u19311493/INFRAA107.png 11:00:17 <Darkvater> http://web.telia.com/~u19311493/INFRALinX.html 11:00:19 <Darkvater> *drool* 11:00:59 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-83-100-201-244.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:01:14 <TrueLight> why drool? 11:01:20 <TrueLight> it is a nice shot 11:01:24 <Darkvater> cause it looks FUCKING awesome 11:01:31 <Sacro_> err. so my laptop didnt go off last night 11:01:40 <TrueLight> Darkvater: is that TT? :) 11:01:45 <TrueLight> I don't regonize it ;) 11:01:50 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 11:01:50 <Sacro_> !logs 11:02:20 <Darkvater> it's TTD(Patch) with tons of extra graphics and a specially made map/network 11:02:33 <TrueLight> clearly 11:02:40 <TrueLight> Someone with too much time :) 11:02:48 <TrueLight> But an amazing job 11:04:00 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-62.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:05:26 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-8432.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 11:08:02 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 11:09:07 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 11:09:51 <Sacro> whoo f1 11:10:24 <JohnUK89|ZzZzZ> F1? 11:10:26 * JohnUK89|ZzZzZ runs 11:10:33 <JohnUK89|ZzZzZ> Off to watch :P 11:10:50 <Sacro> whooo button :D 11:10:58 <TrueLight> me presses hard on the button 11:10:59 *** JohnUK89|ZzZzZ is now known as JohnUK89|F1 11:10:59 <TrueLight> nothing happens 11:11:00 <TrueLight> :( 11:11:19 <hylje> lapio 11:11:28 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:11 <Sacro> TrueLight: i think you killed him! 11:12:16 <TrueLight> yup 11:12:30 <JohnUK89|F1> Button's crap anyway 11:12:31 <Sacro> TrueLight == peer :o 11:13:00 <TrueLight> I love peers :) 11:13:21 *** JohnUK89|F1 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org] 11:13:28 <hylje> s/peer/beer/ 11:16:02 <ln-> you are all wrong 11:16:13 <ln-> here's the right answer: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Peer 11:16:31 <hylje> ah, uncyclopedia. the thruth. 11:16:41 <TrueLight> !translate nl_en peer 11:16:42 <_42_> TrueLight: pear 11:16:46 <TrueLight> I love peers :) 11:17:05 <hylje> btw, the mad magazine made fun of the onion once 11:21:09 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-83-100-201-244.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:21:09 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-201-244.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:06 <TrueLight> you know what amazes me guy 11:23:07 <TrueLight> s 11:23:08 <TrueLight> last night 11:23:11 <TrueLight> there was a netsplit 11:23:14 <TrueLight> and NO LILO THAT TALKED TO US 11:23:29 <TrueLight> I couldn't talk for hours because of the amazement 11:25:30 <hylje> liek zomg 11:25:50 <hylje> isnt that wonderful 11:25:57 <TrueLight> it is :) 11:27:19 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:28:03 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:35:30 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-83-100-201-244.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:11 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-83-100-201-244.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:37:03 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 11:38:33 *** Tefad [~tefad@va-chrvlle-cad1-bdgrp1-4b-b-116.chvlva.adelphia.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 11:38:44 *** Tefad [~tefad@va-chrvlle-cad1-bdgrp1-4b-b-116.chvlva.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 11:42:49 <CIA-2> truelight * r6171 /branches/makefile_rewrite/projects/generate.sh: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: project-files use MSVC, not MINGW 11:44:38 <CIA-2> truelight * r6172 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (65 files in 6 dirs): [MakefileRewrite] -Sync: sync with trunk fron r6122:r6171 11:46:22 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 11:46:32 <MeusH> hello 11:46:37 <TrueLight> hi 11:46:42 <hylje> k 11:47:12 <MeusH> Darkvater, http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7332/corners3ic7.png 11:47:25 <hylje> liek zomg 11:47:43 <TrueLight> too small 11:48:49 <MeusH> huh? what's too small? 11:48:56 <TrueLight> the image 11:48:57 <TrueLight> unreadable 11:50:18 <MeusH> Darkvater can read it with is ubEURr sences 11:50:25 <MeusH> s/is/his 11:50:43 <Tron> who the fuck fucked up the fucking language files for fucks sake? 11:51:00 <Darkvater> MeusH: I need zhe code 11:51:16 <MeusH> allright, I'll show it to you in the moment 11:51:25 <Darkvater> no, put it on FS 11:51:26 <Darkvater> I'm not here 11:52:00 <TrueLight> Tron: there are small children in here 11:52:02 <MeusH> butI'm wondering... which corner is being taken under account in TileHeight(TileIndex tile)? 11:52:04 <MeusH> the topmost? 11:52:26 <Tefad> (_|_). (.)(.). (_|_) n'(.)(.). (_|_) (_|_), (.)(.) (.)(.). (_|_) n'(.)(.)! 11:52:37 <Tron> MeusH: north 11:52:46 <Tron> TrueLight: then kick them! 11:52:49 <MeusH> thank you Tron 11:53:04 <Tron> all is see is hundreds of errors in the language files 11:53:20 <MeusH> Tron: could you point them? I hope there aren't many in polish.txt 11:53:28 <MeusH> you know, you point them and I fix them :P 11:53:53 <Tron> about 3 dozen per file 11:54:13 <Tron> i guess it's a mechanical change, which could've been done directly 11:54:31 <Darkvater> what kind of error? 11:54:40 <hylje> backtrack the translator commits? 11:54:45 <Tron> Darkvater: svn up && make 11:54:57 <TrueLight> Darkvater: simple: depot stuff changed some existing strings, so they no longer match the master-file 11:55:10 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:55:11 <Tron> yes, mechanical only 11:55:14 <Tron> adding colour tags 11:55:22 <TrueLight> so I am sure the next commit of MiHaMiX will fix that all together 11:55:54 <Tron> only if 2 dozen translators fix 3 dozen strings each 11:55:57 <smeding> hmm, too lazy to look it up, what's the port for SSL IRC 11:56:42 <Tron> at least half of this could've been done by a Very Small Script(tm) 11:56:58 <Tron> anyway, lunch 11:57:36 <TrueLight> smeding: and we are too lazy to type it :p 11:57:42 <smeding> fair enough :P 11:57:45 <smeding> i'll look it up then 11:58:44 <Sacro> ping KUDr 12:00:00 <smeding> nah, found it 12:00:08 <smeding> plus realized that SSL ports are server specific 12:00:09 <Sacro> whoo f1 12:00:26 <smeding> woo google. :P 12:02:26 <roboboy> gnight 12:03:08 <Sacro> live-f1 ready :D 12:03:56 <Sacro> whoops, thats messy 12:04:23 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:41 *** Netsplit oxygen.oftc.net <-> helium.oftc.net quits: Sacro, Mucht|zZz, Rexxie, Progman, Faux, @Rubidium, Rens2Sea, GoneWacko, Frostregen, Spoco, (+39 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 12:08:45 *** Netsplit oxygen.oftc.net <-> helium.oftc.net quits: @Darkvater, coronel, Triffid_Hunter, ThePizzaKing, stillunknown, AciD, @Belugas_Gone, WaZZa, Osai, DaleStan_, (+11 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 12:09:02 *** Netsplit xenon.oftc.net <-> oxygen.oftc.net quits: scia, pv2b, guru3, Nigel 12:09:43 *** Netsplit over, joins: Tefad, smeding, MeusH, Sacro, Dred_furst, Rexxie, Ammler, Kimppa, Rens2Sea, terje (+23 more) 12:09:43 *** Netsplit over, joins: GoneWacko, Frostregen, dp-, DC-1, Tron, |AciD|, UserErr0r, xbddc, Kalpa, Cassac (+2 more) 12:09:43 *** ServerMode/#openttd [+oooo Belugas_Gone Darkvater TrueLight orudge] by iridium.oftc.net 12:09:44 *** Netsplit over, joins: egladil, Faux, Prof_Frink, CIA-2, xptek, StarLite, @blathijs, Noldo, hylje, coronel (+19 more) 12:09:44 <Sacro> :| 12:09:54 <smeding> lollersplit. 12:10:14 <hylje> roflsplat 12:11:11 <MeusH> DV, more: http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4526/measurementzw7.png 12:11:14 <MeusH> code is coming nicely 12:15:49 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: could you please translate that 22 string? 12:16:03 <MeusH> surely, I'm doing it right now 12:16:10 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: nice :) 12:16:29 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: you'll encounter a bunch of warning messages during page load, but just simply ognore them 12:16:32 <MiHaMiX> ignore: ) 12:16:36 <MeusH> now I'm compiling OpenTTD to see the changes in-game 12:17:14 *** Kimppa [~kleppane@tuxedo.abo.fi] has left #openttd [] 12:21:59 <Jucciz> 22 string sounds like overkill to a six string oriented person like me :) 12:25:01 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@aru-grupp-gw.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:40 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-201-244.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:15 <MeusH> whoooooops 12:30:16 <MeusH> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=484718#484718 12:30:20 <MeusH> good luck dude3 12:30:25 <MeusH> *dude 12:32:13 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E8BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:29 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36:53 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:40:23 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: done 12:47:43 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: lol :D r2800 :D 12:48:58 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 12:49:12 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:29 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: miika] 12:54:44 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 12:54:49 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 12:55:07 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 13:01:32 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:52 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:03 *** xbddc [~xbddc@172-216.dorm.ncu.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:10 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 13:12:52 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=484946#484946 ? 13:14:52 *** snaqo [~ugah@20151168167.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 13:15:01 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: miika] 13:15:16 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 13:15:54 <snaqo> i gotta tell you, openttd is one of the cooliest initiatives i've ever seen in the linux world 13:15:59 <snaqo> i love that game :) 13:17:32 <smeding> don't we all. 13:19:19 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has quit [] 13:23:58 *** WaZZa [~kalsbeek9@81-17-60-79.dsl.fiberworld.nl] has left #openttd [] 13:24:14 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 13:27:32 <hylje> jammy 13:30:15 <MeusH> Darkvater, these look nice. How about OpenTTDzing them? :) 13:30:39 <TrueLight> nice icons Darkvater :) 13:30:54 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-201-244.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:32:14 <Darkvater> whatting them? 13:32:25 <Darkvater> those ARE for openttd 13:34:06 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 13:34:06 <Sacro> !logs 13:36:31 <MeusH> Darkvater, I saw that post in TTDPatch forum, but if you say these are for OpenTTD, it would be nice to see them :) 13:36:49 <MeusH> by the way Darkvater, the height measurement works much better 13:36:55 <Darkvater> well they did the original for ttdp so I asked if I could use it 13:36:59 <MeusH> now I'll just deal with buildonslopes 13:37:01 <Darkvater> thought I'd give some feedback 13:38:45 <MeusH> < food 13:38:47 <Darkvater> great 13:51:02 *** xbddc [~xbddc@172-216.dorm.ncu.edu.tw] has joined #openttd 13:56:55 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-201-244.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:20 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:01:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:04:54 *** exe [~dgjk@in.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 14:05:56 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N956P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:09 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N843P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 14:09:05 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 14:11:10 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 14:11:59 <KUDr> [13:58:45] <Sacro> ping KUDr <- pong 14:12:42 <Zaviori> Zedong 14:12:52 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@45.148.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 14:14:18 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [] 14:14:18 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:16:17 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 14:16:37 *** _mALmEN [~Elite@bl8-115-57.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 14:16:42 *** _mALmEN is now known as mALmEN 14:17:25 *** Ammler [~Ammler@33.156.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:01 <MeusH> < back 14:23:12 *** Ammler_ is now known as Ammler 14:23:30 <MeusH> Darkvater, seems you've broken the area measurement with height difference 14:23:33 <hylje> :o 14:23:34 <MeusH> I'll go check it out 14:26:38 <Darkvater> GuiShowTooltips(STR_MEASURE_AREA_HEIGHTDIFF, dx, dy, heightdiff); 14:26:46 <Darkvater> I had STR_MEASURE_AREA there ;p 14:27:33 <hylje> :o 14:28:11 *** tynt [~tynt@217-159-185-46-dsl.est.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 14:28:16 <MeusH> yep 14:28:18 <MeusH> found it 14:28:20 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Quit: stage left, exit] 14:28:27 <CIA-2> KUDr * r6174 /trunk/settings.c: -Cleanup: [YAPF] some SDT_CONDVARs replaced by SDT_VARs since they are not saved in savegame (Darkvater) 14:28:28 <MeusH> :O 14:29:22 <hylje> :O 14:29:56 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 14:30:12 <tynt> Problem: I built the whole world and now i realize I accidently set year to 5000 when I generated the landscape. How can I set year to 1950 now? :P 14:30:36 <hylje> cheat 14:31:06 <tynt> heh. that will work :P 14:31:28 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 14:32:03 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 14:35:27 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 14:43:10 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3F6B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:49:37 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F56C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50:46 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 14:51:15 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@ACCF16FE.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 14:58:54 *** Wolf01|AFK [~wolf01@host96-159.pool8256.interbusiness.it] has quit [Quit: e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro] 15:03:18 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 15:08:39 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:09:14 <TrueLight> http://web.telia.com/~u19311493/INFRAA107.png <- I want this as intro game for OpenTTD :) 15:09:34 <mALmEN> wowowow 15:09:39 <mALmEN> TrueLight thats be ttd ? 15:09:47 <TrueLight> ttdpatch, yes 15:09:48 <mALmEN> i never was see truks in the game :O 15:09:59 <mALmEN> where can i get it ? 15:10:02 <TrueLight> I guess they would load fine in openttd 15:10:05 <TrueLight> but it looks amazing 15:10:06 <Gonozal_VIII> longvehicles 15:10:23 <TrueLight> http://web.telia.com/~u19311493/INFRALinX.html 15:10:24 <Gonozal_VIII> they work but look ugly in curves 15:11:49 <mALmEN> TrueLight where can i download it ? 15:11:57 <hylje> we need more road functionality first 15:12:19 <hylje> highways should be feasible 15:12:42 <TrueLight> mALmEN: check website, I dunno 15:12:58 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe diagonal roads to avoid all those 90° turns 15:13:20 <mALmEN> that 15:13:21 <mALmEN> http://web.telia.com/~u19311493/INFRALinX.html ? 15:13:34 <TrueLight> yes 15:13:38 <Gonozal_VIII> grfcrawler 15:14:10 <Gonozal_VIII> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/index.php?do=list&cid=102 15:14:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host83-235.pool874.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 15:15:04 <TrueLight> For whose, who can have problems with pictures on buses, which could be recognized as naked women, a special cut version, that removes these pictures, is available for Long vehicles v4. 15:15:05 <TrueLight> LOL! 15:15:07 <mALmEN> i not found th link to download ;S 15:15:44 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:16:22 <izhirahider> those trucks seem a bit out of proportion 15:18:07 <Gonozal_VIII> iirc v4 doesn't work in openttd but v3 and v3 3/4 do 15:18:12 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53588ae3.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:18:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 15:21:15 <CIA-2> miham * r6175 /trunk/lang/ (french.txt german.txt polish.txt portuguese.txt): 15:21:15 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-08-27 17:18:26 15:21:15 <CIA-2> french - 10 fixed, 12 changed by glx (22) 15:21:15 <CIA-2> german - 1 fixed by Neonox (1) 15:21:15 <CIA-2> polish - 10 fixed, 12 changed by meush (22) 15:21:15 <Gonozal_VIII> with correct proportions a truck would be a single pixel or airports would take the whole screen... 15:21:17 <CIA-2> portuguese - 11 fixed, 8 changed by izhirahider (19) 15:24:33 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Au reviour!] 15:24:50 <izhirahider> hey, I was still comitting :) 15:25:07 <MiHaMiX> izhirahider: sorry :) 15:26:12 <mALmEN> how to apply .grf filles ? 15:26:23 <izhirahider> that's fine. I was just confused that all db were gone in a blink 15:27:01 <CIA-2> truelight * r6176 /trunk/order.h: 15:27:01 <CIA-2> -Fix r6052: I assumed an typedefd enum would be an uint8, which is a really stupid thing to assume. 15:27:01 <CIA-2> This caused nasty endian bugs. Thank you SO MUCH Osai for all your time in debugging this!! And tnx Rubidium for spotting :) 15:27:05 <Gonozal_VIII> http://wiki.openttd.com/index.php/Newgrf 15:27:19 <Gonozal_VIII> @mALmEN 15:27:42 <hylje> Gonozal_VIII: correct proportions are suitable for 3d environments, not 2d 15:28:10 <Gonozal_VIII> i didn't complain 15:30:04 <mALmEN> Gonozal_VIII tks 15:30:08 <mALmEN> ill try :D 15:30:32 <mALmEN> that works on linux too right ? 15:30:51 <hylje> yes 15:31:01 <mALmEN> great 15:31:07 <hylje> its even compatible with other systems in multiplay 15:31:46 <Patrick`> yep 15:31:54 <Patrick`> it's great 15:36:58 *** mrtux [~tux@203-214-120-129.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:39:20 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:02 <mrtux> Is it just me, or is there a bug whereby I'm unable to build rail or train stations in 0.4.8 under Debian Linux? 15:41:24 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:41:44 <Rubidium> mrtux: in which year did you start the game? 15:41:59 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2FF49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:42:01 <mrtux> Not sure. Didn't take note. 15:42:42 <Rubidium> it's most likely that you couldn't build rail and train stations because there were no trains available yet 15:43:04 * Tron experiments with alpha blending 15:43:24 <mrtux> Just fired it up again. 1920 is the starting year. 15:43:35 <mrtux> And there's no trains available to me. 15:43:41 <glx> you need newgrfs to have trains at this date 15:43:59 <Rubidium> then that's the cause; if you start in, for example, 1950 you can build trains, thus rails and stations 15:43:59 <mrtux> Ok. Why do trains normally first appear? 15:44:42 <Tefad> because no one used vechicles for transportation often in the early days? who knows. it's just a game 15:44:48 <Gonozal_VIII> i think the first train is in 26 or 27 15:44:57 <mrtux> Ok. 15:45:28 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:46:32 *** mALmEN [~Elite@bl8-115-57.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:47:25 *** mrtux [~tux@203-214-120-129.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: [BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.1-final for the Sony Playstation today!] 15:48:58 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2EE52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:59:53 <MeusH> !seen Darkvater 15:59:53 <_42_> MeusH, Darkvater (~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl) was last seen quitting #openttd 1 hour 31 minutes ago (27.08. 14:28) stating "Quit: stage left, exit" after spending 5 hours 57 minutes there. 16:04:41 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 16:05:54 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:19 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 16:08:33 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [] 16:08:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> 7. -- New HQ -- This GRF is corrupt. <- then why does it appear on the "working GRF list"? 16:09:11 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 16:10:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... the combroad set is missing 16:11:11 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176115212.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:25:51 *** ChrisM87_ [~ChrisM@p54AC756D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:30:22 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6562.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:09 <Tron> Gimp is not for engineers... 16:33:51 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has left #openttd [] 16:34:34 <Tron> i just want to have some pixels to have an alpha value of 128 (or 50% or whatever) 16:34:44 <Tron> but there seems to be no functionality to draw alpha 16:36:11 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176114173.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:38:56 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176115212.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:39 <Tron> grrr 16:40:54 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Obey the laws of phsyics!] 16:41:59 <SJ_Zero> Use autocad to edit your family photos. :P 16:43:38 <TrueLight> autocad for photo editing, lol :) 16:44:00 *** Quakeman [~quakeman@p5484FD52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:18 <Tron> this is so unintuitive. it handles alpha like it is something totally different than red, green or blue 16:44:50 <Tron> but finally i tricked it to do what i want 16:45:10 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 16:46:04 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-177-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:46:39 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 16:47:32 <Quakeman> Hi, how can I disable yapf on my dedicated (MINI) server? I allways get ERROR: command or variable not found 16:48:33 <KUDr> try it via config 16:49:00 <Quakeman> i seems the server dosen't recognize my config parameters 16:49:11 <KUDr> hmm 16:49:41 <Quakeman> even if i force it to load the cfg via -c switch in command line 16:50:05 <KUDr> then try to solve the config problem first 16:51:25 <KUDr> how you do it from console? 16:51:40 <Quakeman> i think the cfg is parcel loaded. The Server-Name and Rcon_Password is set 16:52:08 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-183-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:52:14 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 16:52:21 <KUDr> "command or variable not found" is response to what command? 16:52:23 <Quakeman> i try to change rail_use_yapf to false 16:52:41 <KUDr> hmm 16:52:45 <KUDr> should work 16:52:59 <Tron> ftp://tron.homeunix.org/ottd/alpha.png 16:53:31 <Tron> *drool* 16:53:38 <glx> Quakeman: "patch yapf.rail_use_yapf 0" 16:54:17 <glx> or "patches" (can't remember the command name :) ) 16:54:31 <Quakeman> wait i'll give it a try 16:55:12 <Quakeman> it works 16:55:21 <Quakeman> thank you very much 16:59:18 *** exe [~dgjk@in.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 17:00:20 <Tron> i wonder if 0%, 50% and 100% alpha is enough 17:00:31 <Wolf01> tron are you planning to fix that 90° turn in index.dat? 17:00:39 <Tron> huh? 17:00:50 <Tron> fix what? index.dat? 17:01:02 <Wolf01> follow the track of the bridge you made transparent 17:01:18 *** exe [~dgjk@in.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 17:01:34 <Wolf01> near the depot there is an ugly 90° turn 17:01:47 <Tron> that's not the point of the screenshot 17:01:57 <Tron> what's index.dat? 17:01:59 <Wolf01> i know the poit is the transparent bridge 17:02:24 <Wolf01> sorry, title.dat 17:02:29 <Wolf01> or what is 17:02:33 <Tron> ah, opntitle.dat, now i understand 17:02:35 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 17:02:35 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 17:02:40 <Tron> no, i have no intent to 17:02:44 <Tron> Darkvater: ftp://tron.homeunix.org/ottd/alpha.png 17:03:10 * Darkvater faints 17:03:15 <Tron> Wolf01: this scene is ages old, savegame revision 4, we're at 30 or something right now 17:03:46 <Tron> Darkvater: the hardest part was to fuck Gimp to make some pixels 50% transparent 17:04:07 <Wolf01> how the bridge looks at other zoom levels? i know that the old tubular had some disappearing parts 17:04:44 <Tron> Wolf01: it's real alpha blending 17:04:54 <izhirahider> I'm trying to open the shared orders window for trains. I created a train, cloned it, but the little train in the orders window is disabled. What can I do? 17:05:06 <Tron> the original uses full opaque and full transparent pixels 17:05:17 <glx> izhirahider: cloned with ctrl ? 17:05:40 <Tron> and smaller zoom levels just drop every other/3 in 4 pixels, therefore the ugly solid or disappearing effect 17:05:47 <Tron> alpha blending doesn't have this problem 17:05:53 <Wolf01> :) 17:05:59 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:50 <Tron> (though i haven't implemented a blitter which supports alpha blending for smaller zoom levels yet) 17:07:15 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:11:24 <Tron> izhirahider: clone with CTRL 17:11:38 <Tron> izhirahider: without CTRL orders get copied 17:11:46 <Tron> not shared 17:11:52 <izhirahider> ah 17:12:07 <izhirahider> ctrl click 17:12:13 *** marcb [~marc@84.77.183.240] has joined #openttd 17:13:06 *** marcb [~marc@84.77.183.240] has quit [] 17:13:22 <Wolf01> order window? i missed something? 17:13:44 <Wolf01> i mean this: but the little train in the orders window is disabled 17:14:05 <glx> Wolf01: new feature :) 17:14:15 <Wolf01> trunk? 17:14:18 <glx> yes 17:14:37 <Wolf01> oh, i must wait for the next sync of miniIN 17:15:41 <glx> it will be in tonight nightly 17:15:57 <glx> but I don't know for mimiIN 17:16:12 <Wolf01> i know, but i use miniIN because i need my patches 17:17:52 <Wolf01> and i need also some little features of The Patch because i'm not able anymore to understand that game :( 17:20:29 <izhirahider> could you explain me the difference between shared orders and, well, *same* orders 17:21:27 <Wolf01> same=copied and still divided from other vehicles, shared=you change in one vehicle and you change automatically for all shared vehicles 17:21:32 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 17:23:47 <Wolf01> what is the current progress for the new map array? is the same as the outdated wiki page? (41%) 17:27:26 <Darkvater> any gfx artist around? 17:29:16 <TrueLight> pick me pick me pick me! 17:29:23 <TrueLight> I KNOW MSPAINT! 17:29:26 <Darkvater> you're not good :) 17:29:31 <TrueLight> :'( 17:29:32 <TrueLight> :'( 17:29:36 <TrueLight> You are not friendly! 17:29:42 <hylje> :'( 17:29:46 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=484946#484946 <-- would be good if someone could make better sprites for the small icons 17:33:48 <Tron> !seen alltaken 17:33:51 <_42_> Tron, Alltaken (~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net) was last seen quitting #openttd 1 day 6 hours 47 minutes ago (26.08. 10:46) stating "Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]" after spending 1 hour 55 minutes there. 17:34:27 *** snaqo [~ugah@20151168167.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [] 17:34:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... why can i never open files that tron links to? 17:34:50 <Tron> try ftp://tron.homeunix.org/pub/ottd/alpha.png 17:35:27 <Tron> (tell me a small http server, which just serves files and maybe i'll install it) 17:35:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> that works... 17:36:03 <Tron> Eddi|zuHause2: konqueror? 17:36:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 17:36:36 <Tron> thought so, internet explorer is the other browser which has problems 17:37:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> konqueror has somehow very many similarities with IE 17:37:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> but what speaks against apache as http server? 17:38:01 <glx> apache is huge 17:39:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... i have really no experience with that ;) 17:39:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> but the bridge looks nice ;) 17:39:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> this is 32bpp? 17:40:04 <glx> no it's alpha blending 17:41:34 <Darkvater> http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/ << ? 17:41:48 <TrueLight> lighttpd 17:44:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://www.acme.com/software/mini_httpd/ <- that's what i found 17:44:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> <glx> no it's alpha blending <- what i meant was: "does this depend on 32bpp?" 17:46:03 *** ChrisM87__ [~ChrisM@p54AC7613.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:47:45 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:48:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://www.acme.com/software/micro_httpd/ 17:49:56 <grimrc1> I've tried a couple of the patches on flyspray 17:50:02 *** ChrisM87_ [~ChrisM@p54AC756D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:04 *** nosefish [~stefan@td9091a71.pool.terralink.de] has joined #openttd 17:52:08 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:52:38 <Noldo> I've used thttpd a little and it feels nice 17:56:45 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 17:57:34 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [] 17:57:53 <grimrc1> this might be an old-AI bug: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/301 17:57:59 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:58:59 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 18:09:49 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 18:10:48 * DaleStan__ removes his tail 18:10:49 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 18:12:12 <SpComb> we've got the DaleStan part, but where did the __ part go? 18:13:05 <exe> \nick __ 18:16:26 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org] 18:16:55 <DaleStan> I think your slash is backwards, exe. 18:17:54 <exe> sure 18:18:16 <DaleStan> /nick __ 18:18:51 *** ChrisM87___ [~ChrisM@p54AC4DBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:49 <Tron> Eddi|zuHause2: yes, it's a simple alpha blending effect in 32bpp 18:23:17 *** ChrisM87__ [~ChrisM@p54AC7613.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:48 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 18:34:05 <JohnUK89> Evening all :) 18:38:49 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:38:54 <smeding_> oops 18:39:00 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:45 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@i5387C5AD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:47:02 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C5AD.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:47:26 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:07 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E8BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:52:34 *** exe [~dgjk@in.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 18:54:24 <JohnUK89> I hate having to recompile all the branches every time I reinstall Linux lol 18:54:43 <hylje> compile on demand lol 18:54:53 <hylje> you shouldnt need to reinstall linux lol 18:54:57 <hylje> you could backup them lol 18:55:04 <hylje> since ottd dir is self-contained lol 18:55:09 <JohnUK89> hylje: lol 18:55:14 <Kjetil> s/lol/./ 18:55:30 <hylje> you can even just do svn up && make lol to get them back up to date, lol 18:55:40 <JohnUK89> I downloaded all the sources, and compile them when I fancy a fiddle with the particular branch 18:55:46 <JohnUK89> hylje: that's what I do :P 18:56:04 <JohnUK89> But in the past 2 weeks I've reinstalled everything 4 times dut to cockups 18:56:10 <JohnUK89> due* 18:56:45 <JohnUK89> I need a seperate /home partition lol 18:57:11 <glx> always use a separate /home 18:57:13 <grimrc1> or just back it up occassionally 18:58:02 <JohnUK89> Can I change it without reinstalling again? 18:58:46 <hylje> yes 18:59:48 <Wolf01> mmm NPF should be enabled with YAPF? 19:00:01 <DaleStan> No. YAPF overrides NPF. 19:03:19 <Wolf01> so why not make the NPF disabled automatically and the button disabled also when enabling YAPF? 19:04:14 <KUDr> YAPF is there 3 times (trains, RVs, ships) so which one should disable NPF? 19:06:23 <Wolf01> A|B|C because if i enable NPF the game slow down and some times hangs 19:07:02 <KUDr> buy another PC 19:07:31 <Wolf01> P4 3.02GHz, 512MB, ATi Radeon 9600 19:07:33 <KUDr> it is better than change code only for you 19:07:51 <KUDr> what OS? 19:08:04 <Wolf01> winweird XP 19:08:26 <KUDr> do you use some anti spy ware SW? 19:08:45 <KUDr> it is usual reason for slowing down PC 19:08:55 <Wolf01> yes, but only for cleaning, not resident/guards 19:08:55 <KUDr> in case of M$ 19:09:01 <JohnUK89> Well I run a Sempron 3000+ with a GeForce 6200 and 1GB RAM under Linux and YAPF performs perfectly...no visual slowdown 19:09:27 <KUDr> YAPF yes, but NPF is only slower 19:09:28 <JohnUK89> So it's a case of M$ screwed it up <g> 19:09:38 <KUDr> doesn't hang - atleast for me 19:09:42 <Wolf01> i'm a computer technician and i know what slow down a pc, and my pc is well tuned 19:09:47 <JohnUK89> KUDr: NPF works pretty well too 19:10:06 *** Progman [~progman@p5091E8BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:10:31 <KUDr> Wolf01: then don't blame NPF - it is just slower 19:10:38 <KUDr> not hanging 19:10:38 <Wolf01> i say i had no problems since this evening 19:10:46 <KUDr> aha 19:10:54 <Wolf01> i always had npf+yapf enabled 19:10:59 <KUDr> so try previous nightly 19:11:12 <KUDr> there can be some problem introduced today 19:11:29 <KUDr> it would be good to know which commit 19:11:50 <Wolf01> maybe, last nighly i dlded was about 10 days ago 19:12:15 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 19:12:17 <Wolf01> s/nighly/nightly 19:12:20 <KUDr> so try to find out which rev. is responsible for it 19:12:27 <KUDr> here it works fine 19:12:39 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:12:51 <KUDr> (also XP) 19:14:27 <Wolf01> is a pain to dl nightlies this evening, my dl speed is 3.5-4KBps 19:14:47 <KUDr> so try svn + compiler 19:14:50 <JohnUK89> Wolf01: I know the feeling, and I download from SVN lol 19:14:58 <JohnUK89> (all the branches too) 19:17:27 <Wolf01> but... i have DSL 19:17:35 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:18:22 <glx> Wolf01: which rev is the nightly you are using? 19:18:48 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:19:03 <Wolf01> now the r6176 19:29:22 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:30:21 <TrueLight> night all 19:35:25 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-192-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:00 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org] 19:55:54 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 19:56:44 <Tron> hmhm... 19:56:54 <Tron> openttd.org seems to be dead 19:57:02 <Tron> TrueLight? 19:57:20 <TrueLight> dns is a bit slow, but for the rest it runs fine 19:57:42 <Tron> TrueLight: name resolution seems not to be a problem 19:57:46 <Tron> i simply get no answer 19:57:52 <TrueLight> works fine from here... 19:58:03 <izhirahider> over here too 19:58:04 <Tron> %telnet svn.openttd.org svn 19:58:04 <Tron> Trying 81.171.98.110... 19:58:05 <Tron> and th'At it 19:58:17 <Tron> s/th'At/that's/ 19:58:34 <Tron> no TCP connection 19:58:37 <TrueLight> hmm, one of the peerings is down 19:58:48 <Tron> tt-forums.net is down, too 19:59:09 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B63ECF.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 19:59:18 <TrueLight> lol, AIX had a damaged 10Gbit switch 2 days ago :p 19:59:20 <TrueLight> funny to read 19:59:41 <Tron> telnet: connect to address 81.171.98.110: Operation timed out 19:59:41 <Tron> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host 20:00:20 <MiHaMiX> same here :-( 20:00:34 <TrueLight> one of the 3 AIX peerings is acting a bit weird 20:00:39 <TrueLight> but for the rest it all looks okay 20:00:40 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:00:40 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 20:00:43 <TrueLight> servers are up and running... 20:00:45 <MiHaMiX> ok, it's working 20:01:04 <Tron> now it works again 20:01:15 <TrueLight> oh well... happens 20:01:24 <TrueLight> level3 is acting weird the last week for example.. 20:01:26 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Au reviour!] 20:02:33 <Wolf01> my provider is weird, tomorrow i'll destroy it 20:02:42 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@i5387C5AD.versanet.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07:15 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> that was a prenotice of a terrorist act? 20:14:46 <Wolf01> yes 20:18:11 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 20:18:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> good... 20:18:47 *** nosefish [~stefan@td9091a71.pool.terralink.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:03 * Eddi|zuHause2 calls next police department... "the wolf in italy wants to bomb his ISP" 20:19:52 <MaulingMonkey> I remember PBS being cooler than it's being <_< 20:22:20 <Bjarni> ? 20:22:27 <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey: what do you mean? 20:22:44 <MaulingMonkey> My junctions just work a lot better with presignals :) 20:22:52 <Bjarni> heh 20:24:53 <Wolf01> every time i call the ISP for some problem they wait at least 14 days to send a technician, the technician say that he can do nothing because the problem is in my pc but after some tests he say that is the line and then call some other technicians and agree that there is nothing to do in my home... after some hours the line works well, 15 days after the line is again weird and the story restart... the next time set fire to the technicia 20:25:19 <Bjarni> Wolf01: complain to your ISP. You got DSL. You pay to get better than modem speed 20:25:38 <Wolf01> 3.5kbps.. you call it better? 20:25:39 <Bjarni> heh, didn't see you wrote that line 20:26:14 <Bjarni> I mean you pay to get better than modem speed. Since you don't get that, it's a valid reason to complain 20:27:48 <Bjarni> luckily I don't have that kind of problem with my DSL line. It supports max speed (max as the max for the central, which is 4 mbit) without any problems 20:28:10 <Bjarni> I will not pay for that speed, but it have been tested at that speed and it works 20:28:14 <Bjarni> :) 20:30:14 <CIA-2> miham * r6177 /trunk/lang/ (czech.txt german.txt italian.txt portuguese.txt): 20:30:14 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-08-27 22:29:43 20:30:15 <CIA-2> czech - 70 fixed, 12 changed by Hadez (82) 20:30:15 <CIA-2> german - 4 changed by Neonox (4) 20:30:15 <CIA-2> italian - 56 fixed, 8 changed by sidew (64) 20:30:15 <CIA-2> portuguese - 2 fixed by izhirahider (2) 20:30:30 <Wolf01> i have 640kbits/s because 4mbit is not supported 20:31:21 <MiHaMiX> hmm 20:31:44 <MiHaMiX> there's only 5 fully translated languages currently 20:31:47 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 20:31:52 <MiHaMiX> Trenskow: hi 20:32:13 <Trenskow> hi 20:33:53 <Bjarni> hi Trenskow 20:33:56 <Bjarni> get working 20:34:08 <Trenskow> hehe just translated 35 yesterday :) 20:34:09 <Bjarni> I broke a whole lot of strings with a commit today 20:34:51 <Bjarni> 24 strings to be exact.. I think 20:34:51 <Trenskow> Bjarni, dough :S 20:34:53 <Wolf01> [22:31:45] <MiHaMiX> there's only 5 fully translated languages currently <- what is the 5th? 20:35:07 <Wolf01> oh wait... maybe is english :look: 20:35:09 <Bjarni> English? 20:35:59 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:36:40 *** ChrisM87____ [~ChrisM@p54AC5528.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:36:45 <Trenskow> Bjarni, i see 12 20:38:41 <Bjarni> hmm 20:39:05 *** Stormscape [~Stormscap@207.6.59.80] has joined #openttd 20:39:13 <Bjarni> 4 heading for strings, 2 tooltips and that is for each vehicle type 20:39:29 <Bjarni> (4+2)*4=6*4=24 20:40:10 <TrueLight> !calc (4+2)*4 20:40:11 <_42_> TrueLight: 24; 20:40:14 <TrueLight> he can do math 20:40:18 <TrueLight> I was going to sleep.. hmm.. 20:40:22 <Stormscape> hmmm. I noticed there's no tarball for any Red Hat variants of Linux, that means I'll have to compile the source myself? 20:41:07 *** ChrisM87___ [~ChrisM@p54AC4DBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:17 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:28 <Bjarni> <MiHaMiX> there's only 5 fully translated languages currently <-- somehow I feel responsible for that.... 20:44:13 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: yes, you are the root cause! :D 20:44:33 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: that's the minimum you feel guilty for it 20:45:02 <Stormscape> man, I'm getting really good at asking important questions and getting immediately ignored. 20:45:10 <MiHaMiX> :D 20:45:24 <Stormscape> :D 20:45:35 <Stormscape> it's not even a difficult question either 20:47:13 <Stormscape> ok so assuming I was using yum to look for OpenTTD and hope it's magically there, what would be a good search string? openttd? 20:47:49 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.4/2006072904]] 20:52:02 *** Quakeman [~quakeman@p5484FD52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:53:58 <MiHaMiX> Stormscape: i don't whether there is a search string at all.. since openttd is avoided in commercial distros due to the copyrighted grf files 20:54:33 <Stormscape> well rpm.livna.org is in my repos list 20:56:00 <Stormscape> but it's not like I'm using RHEL 20:56:16 <Trenskow> Bjarni, catenary ? 20:57:39 <Stormscape> so I guess I'll have to compile the game myself :/ 20:57:43 <Stormscape> man this is gonna be hard 20:58:58 * Stormscape goes to the OpenTTD wiki 21:01:38 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:02:04 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.146.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08:07 <Wolf01> how can i remove the ploddyphut bus from a savegame in temperate scenario? i didn't used the switch climate cheat, maybe a grf set now removed 21:09:08 *** ChrisM87_____ [~ChrisM@p54AC5F05.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:53 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B35EC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:12:38 <glx> Wolf01: find which grf you removed, and try to remember the order of grf in config 21:13:42 <Wolf01> uhm, do you remember the "slow game that sometimes hang"? 21:14:14 <glx> hmm, yes 21:14:24 <glx> is it this one? 21:14:27 <Wolf01> now with fast forward is slow than normal speed and crashed when i removed a piece of rail 21:14:30 <Wolf01> yes 21:14:57 *** ChrisM87____ [~ChrisM@p54AC5528.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:05 <glx> broken savegame maybe 21:15:44 <Wolf01> i thought was because of station spread 21:15:50 <Wolf01> i set it to 40 21:16:12 <Wolf01> (to make a biiig fake airport) 21:16:32 <glx> yes that can slow the game (according to the warning in patches settings) 21:17:04 <Wolf01> but i removed all stations and set it to 20 and nothing is changed 21:17:34 <glx> did you try with a newgame ? 21:17:44 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.146.47] has joined #openttd 21:18:07 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3678F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:19:47 <Trenskow> Bjarni, MiHaMiX : all current english string are now translated to danish 21:19:54 <Trenskow> go on commit from db :) 21:20:48 <CIA-2> truelight * r6178 /trunk/economy.c: 21:20:48 <CIA-2> -Fix r5886: only setting ->money64 isn't enough, as some routines still use ->player_money. 21:20:48 <CIA-2> Because of this, when a player went bankrupt, still not all stuff was removed. 21:21:08 <Trenskow> TrueLight, i've changed the patch to match the coding style 21:21:20 <TrueLight> Trenskow: good :) 21:21:43 <izhirahider> Trenskow, how did you translate "Heightmap" ? 21:22:15 <Trenskow> to danish ? 21:22:18 <Trenskow> højdekort 21:25:55 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-224-120.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:27:12 <Sacro> !seen KUDr 21:27:13 <_42_> Sacro, if you can't see KUDr here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ 21:27:26 <Sacro> _42_: bah, when did he last talk :| 21:27:27 <Sacro> !log 21:27:28 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 21:27:28 <Sacro> !logs 21:28:12 <glx> Sacro: 20:14 in your time 21:28:26 <Stormscape> what's the best directory to install OpenTTD to in Linux? 21:28:52 <Sacro> Stormscape: echo $PATH 21:29:07 <Stormscape> so one of those? 21:29:18 <Sacro> glx: 22 :) 21:29:25 <Stormscape> 14:29 here :D 21:29:28 <Sacro> Stormscape: yeah, i usually use /usr/bin 21:29:41 <Stormscape> ok, that seems logical 21:29:44 <KUDr> Sacro? 21:30:00 <Sacro> KUDr: :D #newsignals is still going an is awaiting the return of our leader 21:30:00 <Stormscape> you can write to that folder without providing the root password, right? 21:30:09 <Sacro> Stormscape: depends, usually not 21:30:32 <Stormscape> bah, it'll be easier to open a new session then to move the folder with mv lol 21:30:38 <glx> Stormscape: just run it from where you have compiled it 21:30:40 <TrueLight> [23:28:11] <+glx> Sacro: 20:14 in your time 21:30:40 <TrueLight> [23:29:24] <Stormscape> 14:29 here :D 21:30:48 <TrueLight> that is a weird timezone Stormscape lives in 21:30:51 <KUDr> Sacro: i know. I am also waiting for him ;) 21:30:53 <Stormscape> it's called GMT -8 21:30:59 <TrueLight> 15 minutes difference? 21:31:07 <TrueLight> timeszones go with 30 minutes :p 21:31:15 <Stormscape> wait 21:31:21 <Stormscape> does Sacro live in Newfoundland? 21:31:22 <Sacro> KUDr: are you not him? 21:31:40 <KUDr> Sacro: hmm, maybe 21:31:47 <Sacro> Stormscape: no i dont 21:31:48 <glx> Stormscape: I replied to [23:27:29] <Sacro> _42_: bah, when did he last talk :| 21:32:01 <Stormscape> ya whatever 21:32:08 <KUDr> Sacro: but then we have problem - i don't have enough time right now 21:32:10 <TrueLight> now he is all confused :) 21:32:11 <Stormscape> I was feeling left out and wanted to shout out a random time 21:32:32 <Wolf01> ok, found the set for the buses 21:32:34 <Sacro> KUDr: well...err...quit :) 21:33:42 <TrueLight> a typical: Problem / Solution scenario 21:33:45 <TrueLight> Problem: no time 21:33:49 <TrueLight> Solution: quit your job 21:33:51 <TrueLight> easy as pie! 21:34:20 <Sacro> 1) quit job, 2) do openttd work, 3) eat pie :D 21:34:37 *** sayno [~sayno@c-24-9-79-69.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:34:37 <TrueLight> not necesary in that order of course :) 21:34:59 <Sacro> TrueLight: well any other order wont be as good 21:35:03 <Naksu> i think someone has misunderstood something 21:35:11 <Sacro> because if you eat pie, and then do openttd, then your keyboard will get crumbs in it 21:35:18 <TrueLight> Sacro: I often like eating pie before 2) 21:35:27 <TrueLight> Then you just eat bad :) 21:35:33 <Sacro> Naksu: yeah, thats happened a lot in the last few thousand years :( 21:35:46 <Sacro> TrueLight: eating pie at work? that'll get you sacked 21:35:52 <Naksu> there's a news article up that asks why there's a wikipedia in african languages 21:35:53 <TrueLight> Caesar was misunderstood too yes 21:36:09 <Trenskow> TrueLight, when you get to my patch, please send me some feedback 21:36:10 <Naksu> when african people generally dont use the internet very much and even if they did they couldnt read it 21:36:11 <TrueLight> Sacro: I don't :) 21:36:21 <Trenskow> until then i will keep it trunk patchable 21:36:49 <Stormscape> I got a few errors while compiling 21:36:49 <TrueLight> Trenskow: currently I have zero time, so you might have more luck with an other dev 21:36:58 <Sacro> Naksu: why is there an entry for amish? 21:37:09 <TrueLight> why is there an antry 21:37:12 <TrueLight> why is there 21:37:13 <TrueLight> why 21:37:18 <TrueLight> I mean, all completely valid questions 21:37:18 <Trenskow> TrueLight, sure. but still when you get time, it would be great... after all you're the network auther ... right ? 21:37:40 <TrueLight> I am, but that isn't a requirement for GUI work.. that wrote someone else :) 21:37:50 <TrueLight> dominik, if I remember correctly.. who left the scene years ago :) 21:38:03 <Trenskow> TrueLight, ok 21:38:10 <TrueLight> complex complex complex :) 21:38:19 <TrueLight> I do remember that your patch contained too mine side-things 21:38:21 <TrueLight> it should be split 21:38:25 <TrueLight> but that isn't the hardest job :p 21:38:26 <Sacro> <rueLight> why is there <-- not valid without a noun 21:38:36 <TrueLight> how hard is it to copy/paste my name? 21:38:45 <Sacro> heh... whoops :) 21:38:53 <TrueLight> getting the < right 21:38:54 <TrueLight> but not the T 21:38:55 <TrueLight> amazing 21:38:56 <TrueLight> :) 21:39:01 <glx> TrueLight: it's Sacro :) 21:39:06 <TrueLight> true true 21:39:07 <Trenskow> :D 21:39:09 <TrueLight> he can do everything :) 21:39:26 <Sacro> well x-chat doesnt do the <, so i press home and add it 21:39:33 <Sacro> and then end and type the reply 21:39:52 <TrueLight> stupid IRC client 21:39:53 <TrueLight> I hate it already 21:39:54 <Naksu> HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAA 21:39:55 <Naksu> omg 21:40:02 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/weird.zip <- can somebody try it to look for what make the game slow? sav + cfg, for newgrf you can see in the cfg 21:40:03 <Bjarni> <TrueLight> dominik, if I remember correctly.. who left the scene years ago :) <-- actually I'm not so sure that he was that good. He was just better than the rest of us at that time and that tells nearly nothing :9 21:40:06 <Bjarni> :) 21:40:25 <Naksu> the largest newspaper in finland released some news 2 hours ago 21:40:37 <Naksu> "Intel finally gets a competitor", an article about AMD 21:40:38 <TrueLight> Bjarni: who was talking about level of good-ness? 21:40:45 <Bjarni> me 21:40:51 <TrueLight> Naksu: finland is a bit behind I believe 21:40:55 <Stormscape> hmmmm 21:40:58 <Naksu> TrueLight: er 21:40:58 <Stormscape> I'm gonna try again 21:41:01 <Bjarni> apparently ;) 21:41:05 <Naksu> no, i dont think so :) 21:41:07 <Stormscape> how do I define "make install" so it doesn't screw up? 21:41:17 <Naksu> the newspaper is a bit behind 21:41:21 <Naksu> like, 20 years 21:41:23 <TrueLight> Naksu: the same, not? 21:41:27 <TrueLight> Naksu: newspaper, finland 21:41:33 <TrueLight> finland, newspaper 21:42:22 <Sacro> TrueLight: its a bit behind whereas it looks like a big... 21:42:24 <TrueLight> Stormscape: don't use it 21:42:32 <Stormscape> it's broken? 21:42:42 <TrueLight> why use it at all 21:43:14 <Stormscape> alright then, I'll just compile this stupid game and run it from its source directory 21:43:21 <TrueLight> stupid game? 21:43:23 <TrueLight> excuse me? 21:43:28 <TrueLight> wrong channel to say those things 21:43:29 <TrueLight> really :) 21:43:36 <Sacro> "cp openttd lang/*.lang data/* wherever" 21:43:51 <TrueLight> Sacro: .lng 21:43:52 <Sacro> TrueLight: theres your new make install :) 21:43:55 <TrueLight> not .lang :) 21:44:18 <Sacro> i just do en<TAB>l<TAB> 21:44:27 <Stormscape> so I shouldn't make to define anything, just do "make" 21:46:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... HDDs are too small... 21:47:00 <TrueLight> Eddi|zuHause2: how can that be a problem? 21:47:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> my father bought a 500MB HDD two months ago 21:47:08 <TrueLight> too big HDDs can be a problem,b ecause they never fit anywhere 21:47:15 <TrueLight> but too small.. they fit everywhere! 21:47:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> and i managed to get it full already 21:47:24 <TrueLight> 500MB? 21:47:26 <Stormscape> 500mb? 21:47:26 <TrueLight> you installed XP 21:47:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> GB 21:47:27 <TrueLight> and TADA! 21:47:29 <TrueLight> LOL! 21:47:31 <Stormscape> oh 21:47:34 <TrueLight> nasty typo :p 21:47:39 <TrueLight> and Eddi|zuHause2, stop downloading porn 21:47:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah 21:47:40 <TrueLight> problem solved 21:47:40 <Stormscape> 500GB is stilll nothing 21:47:47 <Sacro> the amount of pron increases with the size of the HDD 21:47:55 <TrueLight> Problem: full disk 21:47:58 <TrueLight> Solution: delete porn 21:48:13 <Sacro> TrueLight: delete OS...use live-cd for watching porn :D 21:48:21 <TrueLight> Sacro: your solution :p 21:48:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> rm Charmed*.mpg ;) 21:48:33 <Bjarni> <TrueLight> nasty typo :p <-- not as bad as mine in the svn log in revision 6161 (fixed now) 21:48:36 <TrueLight> rm -rf /* :p 21:48:40 <TrueLight> (DO NOT EXECUTE THAT!) 21:48:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is like what's closest to porn on that HDD 21:48:53 <TrueLight> Bjarni: relaly, who cares, everyone understood you ment 'red' 21:48:54 <Bjarni> green for vehicles stopping in depots and green for vehicles, that service in depots and moves on 21:48:56 <TrueLight> only idiots didn't 21:49:10 <TrueLight> calling Charmed porn 21:49:12 <TrueLight> is pretty.... 21:49:13 <Bjarni> I fixed it for the sake of Sacro 21:49:13 <TrueLight> nasty shit ;) 21:49:22 <Sacro> Bjarni: :o missed it 21:49:23 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 21:49:23 <Sacro> !logs 21:49:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> i said "closest to" ;) 21:49:30 <TrueLight> !openttd log 6181 21:49:34 <TrueLight> !openttd log 6161 21:49:35 <_42_> TrueLight: r6161 log: -Feature: List of vehicles with the same shared orders 21:49:35 <TrueLight> hehe 21:49:37 <_42_> TrueLight: the list is available in the orders window and looks like the list buttons from the station windows (small vehicle) 21:49:39 <_42_> TrueLight: The button is disabled if the vehicle do not have any shared orders or it got shared orders, but an empty order list 21:49:41 <_42_> TrueLight: based on a patch by nycom, thought it ended up getting heavily modified 21:49:43 <_42_> TrueLight: Thanks to TrueLight for proofreading and suggestions 21:49:54 <TrueLight> Bjarni: you were wrong, it wasn't 6161 21:49:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> 8 seasons is like 60GB 21:50:04 <Bjarni> no 21:50:07 <Bjarni> hmm 21:50:11 <TrueLight> Eddi|zuHause2: you do know we have DVDs, right? 21:50:12 <Bjarni> 6161 was the other patch 21:50:15 <glx> Wolf01: disable npf (slow because boats) 21:50:25 <Wolf01> also with buoys? 21:50:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... you do... 21:50:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have no money :) 21:50:38 <Stormscape> hmmm 21:50:44 <TrueLight> money for 500GB HD 21:50:46 <TrueLight> but not for DVDs 21:50:47 <TrueLight> hmmmm 21:50:50 <Stormscape> I went back to my root session and it was command lin 21:50:50 <TrueLight> what is wrong in that picture 21:50:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is not my HDD ;) 21:51:00 <Bjarni> !openttd log 6165 21:51:01 <_42_> Bjarni: r6165 log: -Feature: control click Goto Depot will now make the vehicle service 21:51:03 <_42_> Bjarni: at the depot and leave right away. 21:51:05 <_42_> Bjarni: To tell the difference the status of stopping vehicles will be in red, 21:51:07 <_42_> Bjarni: while servicing vehicles will be green. 21:51:09 <_42_> Bjarni: -Codechange: remove some dead code in CmdSendAircraftToHangar() since it is 21:51:11 <_42_> Bjarni: (...) (truncated) 21:51:24 <TrueLight> it shouldn't truncate when explicit asked 21:51:25 <TrueLight> hehe 21:51:26 <TrueLight> bad bad :p 21:51:32 <Sacro> !openttd log 1 21:51:33 <_42_> Sacro: r1 log: Import of revision 975 of old (crashed) SVN 21:51:34 <TrueLight> will fix some day :) 21:51:39 <Sacro> !openttd log 2 21:51:40 <_42_> Sacro: r2 log: -Fix [993829] UDP Fixes (lucaspiller) 21:51:42 <_42_> Sacro: -Fix change 255/0xFF to OWNER_SPECTATOR for 21:51:44 <_42_> Sacro: spectator stuff (TrueLight) 21:51:47 <TrueLight> Sacro: 2 steps away from kick 21:51:54 * Sacro walks backwards 21:52:09 <Bjarni> Sacro: 2 step away from kick 21:52:14 <Bjarni> err 21:52:18 <Bjarni> Sacro: 1 step away from kick 21:52:19 <MaulingMonkey> The kick is chasing him! 21:52:20 <Bjarni> typo 21:52:24 <TrueLight> Bjarni can't do math 21:52:35 * Sacro runs 21:52:36 <TrueLight> 2 + 1 = 2 21:52:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> calculation != maths 21:52:37 <Bjarni> no, they put the 2 key right next to the 1 key 21:52:39 <TrueLight> euh, no 1! 21:52:40 <TrueLight> :p 21:52:49 <Bjarni> bastards! 21:52:52 <TrueLight> Bjarni: we should change that yes 21:53:00 <Trenskow> lol 21:53:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> actually... calculation \cut maths = \emptyset 21:53:11 <Sacro> i might go upstairs and switch w and e around on my mums pc... 21:53:22 <Bjarni> in fact no key should be next to another key 21:53:33 <glx> Wolf01: indeed npf is trying to find depots for ships 21:53:34 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by TrueLight [Okay, that's it... yo are NOT GOING TO DO THAT!] 21:53:38 <TrueLight> I just had to kick him.... 21:53:41 <TrueLight> he was asking for it :p 21:53:42 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-224-120.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:53:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: easy solution: have only 1 key 21:53:46 <Sacro> sorry TrueLight :( 21:53:53 <TrueLight> teasing your mom 21:53:56 <TrueLight> bad bad thing to do 21:53:59 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: how would emacs work? 21:54:00 <TrueLight> we can't tollerate that here :) 21:54:05 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: MORSE CODE :D 21:54:23 <glx> Wolf01: run openttd with -d npf1 and you'll see why it's slow :) 21:54:30 <Sacro> ... .... .. - . 21:54:51 <TrueLight> http://www.linux-user.de/ausgabe/2001/04/088-bluescreen/ctrlaltdel.jpg 21:54:55 <TrueLight> Bjarni: here, your solution 21:55:00 <Bjarni> hahaha, Sacro reminded me that when Bush "won" the election, they had a problem in the White House. When it was handed over, all the keyboards in the entire building had the W key sabotaged, so it didn't work anymore 21:55:11 <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah! i heard about that :D 21:55:11 <Bjarni> Making it hard to type George W Bush :P 21:55:37 <Sacro> george (the anker) bush :P 21:55:44 <TrueLight> VV 21:55:56 <Sacro> actually, i think it'd be amusing to tie a chain to him and use him for parking boats 21:55:57 <Bjarni> the anker? 21:56:10 <Sacro> Bjarni: yes, no W's ;) 21:56:23 <Stormscape> I'm getting really odd compile errors in npf.c 21:56:27 <Bjarni> ahh 21:57:22 <glx> Stormscape: details please 21:58:10 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:13 <Stormscape> hold on 21:58:54 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.146.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:10 <Stormscape> http://pastebin.com/777484 21:59:29 <TrueLight> and how are they errors? 21:59:43 <TrueLight> There is a big, not to say HUGE, difference between warnings and errors 21:59:47 <glx> nothing important :) 22:00:00 <Stormscape> ok just wanted to check 22:00:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> when are we dropping NPF? 22:01:00 <Sacro> Stormscape: solution, use YAPF 22:01:05 <Stormscape> oh boy, time to mount another windows partition to get my graphics files 22:02:05 <Stormscape> up to /mnt/windows4 now 22:02:08 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Stormscape: solution, use YAPF <-- that's a runtime solution and this is at compiletime 22:02:16 <Bjarni> besides the warnings are bogus 22:02:27 <Bjarni> gcc being overprotective. Ignore them 22:02:34 <TrueLight> Eddi|zuHause2: mever 22:02:37 <TrueLight> Eddi|zuHause2: never 22:02:38 <Stormscape> I also got a warning about something in player_Gui.c 22:02:43 <Stormscape> can't remember it 22:02:45 <Sacro> yeah 22:02:48 <Sacro> there is one 22:03:27 <Trenskow> apropos 22:03:30 <Trenskow> just compiled 22:03:36 <Trenskow> when is this gonna be fixed : 22:03:37 <Trenskow> settings_gui.c: In function 'NewgrfWndProc': 22:03:37 <Trenskow> settings_gui.c:961: warning: format '%08X' expects type 'unsigned int', but argument 4 has type 'long unsigned int' 22:04:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> remove the newgrf interface ;) 22:04:12 <Trenskow> i know warnings are legit, but it sure is messy code that generates warnigs 22:04:31 <TrueLight> night all 22:04:38 <KUDr> night 22:04:39 <Trenskow> nn 22:06:29 *** Guest56 [Gono@N923P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 22:06:57 <Trenskow> i know it's a silly question 22:07:09 <Trenskow> anyone aware of a pic microcontroller programming irc channel ? 22:07:11 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:07:21 <Sacro> Trenskow: yes its a silly question :P 22:07:52 <Stormscape> bah 22:07:54 <Sacro> movlw busciits, movwf Trenskow 22:08:03 <Stormscape> openttd says the sample.cat I used is corrupted and/or missing 22:08:34 <Stormscape> what's the command for a copy? 22:08:35 <Stormscape> copy? 22:08:40 <Sacro> Stormscape: OS? 22:08:43 <Stormscape> FC5 22:08:44 <CIA-2> glx * r6179 /trunk/npf.c: - Silence the old npf warnings 22:08:45 <Kjetil> Trenskow: probably some pic programmers hanging out on #electronics @efnet or something 22:08:48 <glx> Stormscape: cp 22:08:52 <Sacro> Stormscape: invalid OS, OS? 22:09:00 <Trenskow> Kjetil, nice 22:09:08 <Trenskow> Sacro, see it wasn't so silly anyway :D 22:09:49 <Trenskow> i just wanna be sure what i'm doing, before i aquire 0 equipment and components 22:10:00 <Stormscape> still says it's corrupted or missing 22:10:08 <Stormscape> I'll try taking the one from that zip of mine 22:10:18 <Trenskow> Stormscape, cp 22:10:26 <Stormscape> old 22:10:33 <Stormscape> glx told me the command 2 minutes ago 22:10:38 <glx> Stormscape: where did you copy the files? 22:10:49 <Stormscape> openttd is compiled in /usr/bin 22:10:57 * Trenskow slow 22:11:06 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@45.148.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 22:11:34 <Trenskow> can find a microcontroller channel in russian and spannish 22:11:38 <Trenskow> but no english 22:11:41 <Stormscape> lol 22:11:44 <Bjarni> hehe 22:11:58 <Stormscape> hmmmmm 22:12:00 <Bjarni> what do you need such a channel for? 22:12:08 <Trenskow> Bjarni, i wanna do some soldering 22:12:11 <Trenskow> :) 22:12:19 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N843P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:25 <Stormscape> too bad I can't convert NTFS partitions to a Linux file system like Reiser or ext 22:12:27 <Trenskow> i wanna create a bluetooth gps reciever 22:12:31 <Trenskow> and i wanna create it myself 22:12:35 <ln-> Trenskow: isn't it mainly your own fault that you don't speak russian or spanish? 22:12:45 <Bjarni> you don't need a microcontroller channel to tell how to solder stuff 22:12:50 <ln-> and it's "receiver", not "reciever" 22:13:00 <Stormscape> crap 22:13:02 <Trenskow> ln-, no i'ts the russians and spannish people fault they don't speak english 22:13:05 <Stormscape> mn 22:13:08 <Stormscape> I have a bad memory 22:13:29 <Stormscape> I can't remember the command to see all my partition names (like /dev/hda1 and such) in a console 22:13:36 <Trenskow> Stormscape, df 22:13:38 <Bjarni> Stormscape: complain to your RAM manufacture and demand a replace 22:13:49 <Stormscape> lol 22:13:52 <Stormscape> hmmm 22:13:58 <Stormscape> I doesn't show unmounted partitions 22:14:10 <Stormscape> cause I need to know the name of the only unmounted one, so I can mount it 22:14:10 <glx> mount maybe 22:14:13 *** Ammler [~Ammler@45.148.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Ammler_))] 22:14:18 *** Ammler_ is now known as Ammler 22:14:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> ls /dev/hd* 22:14:28 <Bjarni> YES, now my patch is working 22:14:41 <Bjarni> now the question is how to do that in a non-hacking way :) 22:14:42 <Stormscape> hmmm 22:14:49 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 22:14:50 <Stormscape> that showed devices I didn't know I had 22:14:51 <glx> Bjarni: what does it do again? 22:14:54 <Trenskow> Bjarni, what are you pathing ? 22:15:05 <Trenskow> Bjarni, forget my question 22:15:17 <Bjarni> Trenskow: OpenTTD 22:15:20 <Bjarni> :p 22:15:23 <Trenskow> just answer glx 22:15:25 <Trenskow> :D 22:15:26 <Stormscape> NOW I REMEMBER 22:15:37 <Wolf01> glx, can you tell me some other debug arguments to see what work or doesn't work? 22:15:38 <Stormscape> /sbin/fdisk -l 22:15:43 <Bjarni> I added a goto depot in the shared orders window and when I clicked it, all the trains headed for the depot 22:15:46 <Stormscape> or not 22:15:54 <Trenskow> Stormscape, hehehe 22:16:03 <Stormscape> it worked in 2.6.15 22:16:11 <Trenskow> Bjarni, cool 22:16:22 <Trenskow> Bjarni, also when you're at it... 22:16:38 <Trenskow> i hate to wait for the trains to some day deside to go to a depot when autoreplace is active 22:16:50 <Stormscape> uhoh 22:16:55 <Trenskow> just a button in the autoreplace window, saying "send all trains to depot" 22:16:56 <Stormscape> I did /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/* 22:17:16 <Trenskow> someday decide 22:17:19 <Bjarni> so now if breakdowns are off and depot visits are off, you can make each line visit depots, then it's done, you can make another line visit depots and you can change autoreplace settings in between if you don't want them to replace to the same engine type 22:17:22 <Bjarni> well 22:17:22 <glx> Wolf01: like misc, driver, npf ... ? 22:17:23 <Stormscape> there we go 22:17:28 <Wolf01> yes 22:17:30 <Stormscape> did /sbin/fdisk -l as root 22:17:44 <Bjarni> for that to work, we need to turn off the depot rush in that case where ALL vehicles will head for depots right away 22:17:53 *** sayno [~sayno@c-24-9-79-69.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:17:56 *** Ammler is now known as Ammler_ 22:18:00 <glx> Wolf01: just look in debug.h 22:18:10 <Stormscape> lol "depot rush", like a bum rush? 22:18:17 <Wolf01> ok, i'll do it 22:18:17 <Trenskow> Bjarni, then we go again... drive through depots 22:18:52 <Stormscape> :O 22:18:56 <Stormscape> drive through depots? 22:18:58 <Stormscape> I love it! 22:19:11 <Trenskow> Stormscape, yea ! :D 22:19:31 <Stormscape> hmmm 22:19:38 <Stormscape> seems my keyboard doesn't play nice with Linux 22:19:42 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-83-100-224-120.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:19:43 <Stormscape> occasionaly keys repeat 22:19:57 <Stormscape> it's a Microsoft wireless keyboard 22:19:58 <Trenskow> Bjarni, then you can create a dedicated depot line 22:20:12 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-224-120.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:18 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 22:20:23 <Trenskow> that's long enough to hold some kind of queue 22:20:26 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:20:30 <Sacro> night Wolf01 22:20:34 <Trenskow> so it won't jam up your lines 22:20:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host83-235.pool874.interbusiness.it] has quit [Quit: e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro] 22:20:44 <Trenskow> because of the depot speed limits 22:21:20 <Stormscape> whoops 22:21:28 <Stormscape> accidently set the umask for my ntfs mounts to 0222 lol 22:21:46 <Sacro> heh 22:21:49 <Sacro> WOM :D 22:21:54 <Stormscape> wom? 22:21:57 <Sacro> yes 22:22:01 <Sacro> 222 22:22:06 <Sacro> Write Only Memory 22:22:22 <Stormscape> :D 22:22:27 <Stormscape> I can't delete anything there 22:22:29 <Stormscape> or write to them 22:22:31 <Stormscape> only read them 22:22:42 <Sacro> hmm, is 2 write 22:22:50 <Sacro> 1 is execute 22:22:52 <Stormscape> can't remember 22:22:53 <Trenskow> Stormscape, are you using the read-write ntfs driver ? 22:22:57 <Stormscape> yes 22:22:57 <Sacro> 2 is write, and 4 is read 22:23:04 <Trenskow> the default linuxdriver only reads ntfs 22:23:07 <Stormscape> from linux-ntfs.org 22:23:09 <Stormscape> dude 22:23:15 <Sacro> Trenskow: no, default is rw 22:23:18 <Stormscape> Red Hat Linuxes don't come with default drivers for ntfs 22:23:27 <Trenskow> Sacro, then that's new 22:23:27 <Stormscape> due to the questionable legal status of the drivers 22:23:35 <Sacro> Trenskow: yep, latest kernel 22:23:36 <Stormscape> makes it easier for me 22:23:41 <Trenskow> nice 22:24:03 <Stormscape> plus as I said, Red Hat refuses to include it by default due to possible legal issues 22:24:24 <Stormscape> ntfs is closed source after all 22:24:35 <Trenskow> f... software patents 22:24:52 <Stormscape> my thoughts exactly 22:24:58 <Stormscape> but Red Hat is covering their asses 22:25:01 <Sacro> use Arch :D 22:25:05 <Stormscape> in case Microsoft does ever do something about it 22:25:10 <Trenskow> whatabout debian and ubuntu ? 22:25:26 * Sacro attemps to hack XP to use ext3 22:25:57 <Stormscape> lol 22:26:09 <Stormscape> I have a driver for Windows XP that adds ext2/3 support 22:26:12 <Stormscape> make it seem native too 22:26:30 <Stormscape> it doesn't support ext2 or 3 permissions though 22:26:37 <Stormscape> so it's abit of a security risk 22:27:04 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 22:27:05 <Trenskow> Stormscape, xp is one big security risk 22:27:18 <Stormscape> truth 22:27:33 <Stormscape> I view it as a OS to play games on, nothing more 22:27:54 <Stormscape> I've finally realised Linux CAN do most of my stuff 22:28:00 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@45.148.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:05 <Trenskow> i haven't used xp since i bought my mac 2 years ago 22:28:13 <Stormscape> i haven't use XP in 2 days 22:28:19 <Trenskow> hehe 22:28:25 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 22:28:28 <Sacro> i havent used XP for anything but games or on other peoples machines for over a year :D 22:28:52 <Stormscape> I'm thinking of converting my downloads partition to ext3 22:28:54 <Trenskow> Sacro, linux ? 22:28:55 *** ChrisM87______ [~ChrisM@p54AC4FDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:28:56 <Stormscape> that'll be hard though 22:29:08 <Sacro> Trenskow: yep, Arch Linux all the way 22:29:18 <Sacro> apart from my CentOS server at work 22:30:04 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C5AD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:30:51 <Stormscape> FC5 all the way 22:31:15 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:43 <Sacro> nah, i dont wanna be the testbed for RHES 22:33:22 *** ChrisM87_____ [~ChrisM@p54AC5F05.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:41 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:33:55 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 22:34:25 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 22:35:19 <Stormscape> Word with all toolbars activated: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/MSWord.PNG 22:36:04 <glx> Trenskow: can you try something for me? 22:36:12 <Trenskow> glx, yes 22:36:56 <glx> settings_gui.c:961, add (uint32) before BSWAP32 22:37:45 <Trenskow> ... 22:38:17 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B63ECF.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:34 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C5AD.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:40:00 <Trenskow> glx, compiling... 22:40:05 <Bjarni> glx: what are you trying to do? 22:40:15 <glx> silent a warning 22:40:15 <Trenskow> glx, the warning is gone ! :D 22:40:22 <Bjarni> ahh 22:40:24 <Bjarni> that one 22:42:03 <Trenskow> is it a gcc ppc thingy ? 22:42:20 <Trenskow> glx, ^^^ 22:42:30 <glx> it's an OSX only warning 22:42:38 <Trenskow> ahh ok 22:43:18 <glx> maybe because BSWAP32 uses an apple macro 22:43:37 <Trenskow> it's an endian thing 22:43:39 <Trenskow> ? 22:45:00 <glx> for other OS BSWAP32 is defined with shifts or and 22:45:17 <Trenskow> aha 22:46:15 <glx> maybe you now how to fix the video/cocoa_v.m:477 warning (pt.x/pt.y may be used uninitialised) 22:46:37 <glx> *know 22:47:22 *** |AciD| [~AciD@tehpwnz.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:32 *** AciD [~AciD@tehpwnz.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:09 <Trenskow> glx, that's bjarnis problem 22:50:12 <Trenskow> :D 22:50:51 <glx> hehe 22:51:13 <glx> there's also dead code in this file (#if 0 ... #endif) 22:52:36 <Trenskow> also cocoa_v.m ? 22:52:41 <glx> yes 22:53:04 <izhirahider> if anyone is using it, is Microsoft Visual C Express any good compared to Dev-C++ in developing OpenTTD? 22:53:21 <Trenskow> izhirahider, i think visual c express is recommended 22:53:25 <Trenskow> but then again 22:53:28 <Trenskow> i don't use windows 22:53:31 <glx> I don't use IDE 22:53:48 <izhirahider> me neither, but someone just asked me :) 22:54:07 *** TorbenPaw [Boss@x1-6-00-0a-e6-b2-15-09.k660.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 22:54:30 *** TorbenPaw [Boss@x1-6-00-0a-e6-b2-15-09.k660.webspeed.dk] has left #openttd [] 22:54:48 <Trenskow> well.... 22:54:50 <Trenskow> night night all 22:54:54 <glx> night 22:55:14 <izhirahider> thanks 22:55:19 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: http://iThought.dk/ ] 22:55:29 <Sacro> izhirahider: i use eclipse + cdt 22:55:52 <Bjarni> glx: the cocoa video driver aren't the nicest one, but it works and it works fast as better than the SDL one 22:56:04 <Bjarni> and I'm still wondering how it works... 22:56:16 <glx> who wrote it? 22:56:20 <Bjarni> egladil 22:56:58 *** Ammler [~Ammler@45.148.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 22:57:01 <glx> he should know how to silent this uninitialised warning :) 22:57:34 <Bjarni> we got a zillion warnings in that file :( 22:57:39 <glx> other warnings are for deprecated functions 22:57:46 <Bjarni> yes 22:58:07 <Bjarni> but they are only deprecated on x86 and we only had PPC at the time of coding 22:58:23 <Bjarni> why are they only deprecated on x86 and not PPC? 22:58:24 <Bjarni> o_O 22:58:28 <Bjarni> I have no idea 22:58:36 <glx> *magic* :) 22:58:44 *** Ammler is now known as Ammler_pfuus 22:59:11 <Bjarni> well, we need to solve it as it might fail in OSX 10.5 22:59:29 <Bjarni> Apple have given us until 2007 to solve it 22:59:39 <Bjarni> early 2007, that is 22:59:46 <glx> 6 month :) 22:59:52 <glx> should be enough 22:59:59 <Bjarni> at this rate, we will not make it 23:00:03 <Bjarni> nobody works on it :p 23:00:05 <ln-> what's the non-deprecated api then? 23:00:26 <Bjarni> hmm 23:00:31 <Bjarni> forgot the name 23:00:48 <Bjarni> if you look up the deprecated functions on developer.apple.com, they tell you what to use instead 23:00:57 <Bjarni> but it's not a howto 23:01:02 <Bjarni> you need to understand it 23:01:46 <MaulingMonkey> They want you to mitigate from DirectDraw to Quartz 23:01:47 *** ChrisM87______ [~ChrisM@p54AC4FDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:06 <Bjarni> I tried to solve the two deprecated functions in the quicktime midi driver and the new functions got like 4 extra parameters, that I had no idea what to put in them :( 23:02:07 <MaulingMonkey> err QuickDraw 23:02:19 <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey: yeah, that it. Quartz 23:03:34 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:03:52 <Bjarni> I think Quartz got faster internal functions, so we would speed up OpenTTD by doing so.... but it needs to be done 23:04:09 <MaulingMonkey> How to even do that for the drawing code is completely non-obvious to me. You're throwing around pointers to pixel arrays here and there and Quartz seems to be state centric ala OpenGL rather than data centric ala SDL (and from what I can tell, the code) 23:04:43 <MaulingMonkey> The fact that it's all in a language I'm completely unfamiliar with (no completed projects within) does not help at all either. 23:04:51 <MaulingMonkey> (that is, Obj-C) 23:05:36 <MaulingMonkey> That alongside not having experience with either Quartz or QuickDraw :-) 23:05:49 <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey: we can all say that :( 23:06:12 <MaulingMonkey> I take it the person who originally coded it jumped ship? 23:06:28 <Bjarni> but we need to figure out what to do anyway because the odds for a brilliant Quartz coder to how up on his own is not in our favour 23:06:57 <Bjarni> <MaulingMonkey> I take it the person who originally coded it jumped ship? <-- not really. He just got a serious case of RL 23:07:05 <MaulingMonkey> That Celestar too? 23:07:16 <Bjarni> and 32 bit graphic engine (which he lacks time to work on as well) 23:07:21 <Bjarni> MaulingMonkey: no, it's egladil 23:07:30 <Bjarni> hmm 23:07:33 * Sacro wonders about a port to use Cairo 23:07:48 <MaulingMonkey> bahrg! lol. 23:07:51 <Bjarni> Celestar doing graphics.... interesting idea 23:08:06 <Bjarni> I don't think he got experience in that 23:08:38 <MaulingMonkey> I just named him because I recalled that being mentioned as a possible reason he's not been around to apply my feeder-transfer-bug-fix 23:09:32 <Bjarni> maybe one of them contaminated the other one with RL 23:09:42 <Bjarni> is it contagious? 23:09:56 <MaulingMonkey> Scary thought. 23:13:33 <Stormscape> hmmm 23:13:40 <Stormscape> I wonder if my modem has a interface 23:13:47 <Stormscape> can you find out the IP of a modem? 23:13:58 <Bjarni> err 23:14:06 <Bjarni> that depends 23:14:15 <Bjarni> is it a regular modem? 23:14:15 <Stormscape> it's an old Linksys ADSLME3 23:14:24 <Stormscape> regular ADSL modem 23:14:31 <Stormscape> nothing fancy about it 23:14:58 <Stormscape> man, I don't even have a 56K modem 23:15:03 <Bjarni> the modem itself will not have an IP 23:15:10 <Stormscape> oh wait, I do. an 16 year old BBS external 56K modem 23:15:22 <Bjarni> it just got two ports and forwards traffic between them 23:15:36 <Stormscape> so it likely doesn't have a config page? 23:16:10 <Bjarni> the actual traffic "controller" is the computer or router 23:16:29 <Sacro> Stormscape: traceroute 23:16:35 <Stormscape> ok, I just wanted to make sure the modem wasn't being an asshole 23:17:17 <Sacro> or tracepath under linux 23:17:44 <Stormscape> ok my traceroute goes from my router IP to the DSLAM lol 23:17:59 <Bjarni> nice, I just made a traceroute to www.openttd.org and that went well. It turned out that my ISP got a direct line to the server ISP 23:18:06 <Stormscape> rofl 23:18:22 <Bjarni> no gateways or anything, just direct ISP to ISP connection 23:18:56 <Stormscape> lol I did www.openttd.org and it won't resolve 23:19:01 <Stormscape> there we go 23:19:06 <Bjarni> the ISPs got gateways though, but it only involves my ISP domain and the server ISP domain 23:19:27 <Stormscape> looks like my ISP's DNS servers are being laggy 23:19:30 <Stormscape> 14ms response 23:19:55 <Stormscape> I went ISP->level3 communications->OpenTTD's ISP 23:21:16 <Stormscape> nice 23:21:21 <Stormscape> I just did a traceroute to google 23:21:27 <Stormscape> went ISP->Google 23:21:54 <Bjarni> same here 23:22:44 <Stormscape> OMG 23:22:49 <Stormscape> I just did a traceroute to Google 23:22:51 <Stormscape> errr 23:22:52 <Stormscape> Microsoft 23:23:08 *** Kjetil [kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:23:10 <Stormscape> and I was already in a microsoft gateway before I left my ISP's gateway 23:23:21 *** Kjetil [kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 23:23:26 <Stormscape> 6 Microsoft.sttlwa01gr01.bb.telus.com (209.53.75.194) 17.382 ms 17.360 ms 17.308 ms 23:24:41 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:26:10 <Stormscape> I wonder who Google's ISP is :D 23:29:12 <MaulingMonkey> DSL models typically will have an internal IP address which you can http to for more detailed information about it's status 23:29:15 <MaulingMonkey> *modems 23:29:25 <MaulingMonkey> e.g. 192.168.1.1 23:30:18 <MaulingMonkey> But they typically won't have a public IP address accessable from the WAN side unless they're doing double duty as a router. 23:32:44 * Sacro goes and attempts to hack a gibson 23:33:19 <Stormscape> well 23:33:25 <Stormscape> I'm trying to access it from the LAN 23:34:14 <MaulingMonkey> An annoying situation can occur if your router uses the same IP address - it will hide your ("farther away") modem :-) 23:34:50 <MaulingMonkey> There's also quite a few different but common numbers typically used. 23:35:06 <Stormscape> care to list them? my router's IP is 192.168.1.1 23:35:11 <MaulingMonkey> On my network, 192.168.1.1 is my router, and 192.168.100.1 is my cable modem 23:35:22 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:35:33 <Stormscape> ok trying 100.1 23:35:35 <MaulingMonkey> And 192.168.1.1xx are my computers :) 23:36:55 <Stormscape> ok 100.1 seems to be headed for a timeout 23:37:10 <Stormscape> 110 seconds and nothing 23:37:47 <MaulingMonkey> Aside from the possibility of it not actually having a status page, 100.1 and 1.1 are the two most common ones 23:38:20 <Stormscape> hmmm 23:38:22 <MaulingMonkey> other variations like 1.2 I think were router custom settings, rather than modems, now that I think about it. 23:38:31 <Stormscape> if it's 1.1, I'll have to change my router's IP 23:38:34 <MaulingMonkey> Probably because I was using a modem hardcoded to 1.1 then :) 23:38:39 <Stormscape> causing mass problems :P 23:38:56 <MaulingMonkey> Hopefully it shouldn't require much more than a DHCP refresh :) 23:39:07 <Stormscape> you see 23:39:11 <Stormscape> if I change my router's IP 23:39:15 <Stormscape> that'll break DHCP 23:39:21 <Stormscape> then I'll have to hard boot my router 23:39:30 <Stormscape> and it'll take 3 minutes to recommunicate with my ISP 23:39:53 <MaulingMonkey> yowza. It shouldn't release the external DHCP :( 23:40:08 <Stormscape> it's on the same page as external DHCP 23:40:14 <Stormscape> and if you click save settings on that page 23:40:16 <MaulingMonkey> I see :-/ 23:40:19 <Stormscape> it always causes problems 23:41:47 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@p54B35EC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 23:51:29 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:51:31 <Sionide> woop 23:56:15 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-224-120.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]