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00:00:16 *** Stormscape [~Stormscap@207.6.59.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:18 *** Ammler_pfuus [~Ammler@45.148.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:04:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> 10.* adresses are also possible 00:04:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> chances are, it is in the documentation of your modem ;) 00:05:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> (or try googling for the name/type of the modem) 00:07:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> according to YaST, mine has 10.0.0.138 00:18:36 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 00:18:43 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:18:49 * JohnUK89 is happy :) 00:19:00 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@ACCF16FE.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 00:19:07 <JohnUK89> The 32bpp branch plays fair with Compiz :-D 00:20:43 <JohnUK89> Also runs faster :P 00:22:02 <MaulingMonkey> I need to figure out where that "build crazy shit under bridges" patch went 00:22:39 <JohnUK89> Wasn't that a whole branch? 00:22:47 <MaulingMonkey> Quite possibly. 00:23:19 <JohnUK89> Well there's a branch called bridge (or bridges, can't remember) 00:23:33 <MaulingMonkey> bridge... I'll check it out :) 00:23:34 <JohnUK89> Haven't got round to looking at it 00:24:02 <MaulingMonkey> It was in trunk for a moment, something about graphics glitches I think was their excuse for taking it back out :( 00:24:06 <JohnUK89> Too busy getting Midi support installed at the moment...I miss the TTD music :( 00:24:23 <JohnUK89> MaulingMonkey: aah 00:24:32 <JohnUK89> I want 32bpp to be merged :-D 00:24:38 <MaulingMonkey> And the only ones I recognized are still in trunk *anyways* :P 00:24:49 <JohnUK89> would help Compiz users like me :P 00:25:23 <JohnUK89> MaulingMonkey: lol 00:25:48 <MaulingMonkey> Oh yay project file bug. 00:25:56 <MaulingMonkey> I saw this one on the forum too <_< 00:26:15 <JohnUK89> MaulingMonkey: get a decent compiler :P 00:26:19 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 00:26:27 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: Ello :) 00:26:33 <grimrc1> hello 00:26:34 <MaulingMonkey> Faulty paths are hardly the IDE's fault <_< 00:26:56 <ln-> Bjarni: are you sure you are talking about Cocoa and not Carbon being deprecated? 00:27:02 <JohnUK89> Who needs an IDE when you can have make? lol 00:28:04 <JohnUK89> Hmm, who maintains 32bpp? 00:28:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> MaulingMonkey: the bridge branch was removed from trunk, because it was not ready 00:28:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> (broke savegame compatibility, for example) 00:28:51 <JohnUK89> Hell, whoever it is, someone kick their ass until it gets a sync with trunk :-D 00:29:07 <MaulingMonkey> Ahh, so there was more than just the graphics issue I recalled 00:29:10 <MaulingMonkey> phatooie. 00:29:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> JohnUK89: this was discussed just before you joined... 00:29:33 <JohnUK89> Eddi|zuHause2: aah, didn't see :P 00:29:41 <JohnUK89> (Because I wan't here) 00:29:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> (well... like 2h ago) 00:29:48 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 00:29:48 <JohnUK89> !logs 00:32:03 <ln-> Bjarni: my OS X oriented coder friend says: 00:32:11 <ln-> (03:31:22) blackis: I can't understand what part of that code would be deprecated 00:32:14 <ln-> (03:31:34) blackis: Since that's basically part of the Carbon API 00:32:16 <ln-> (03:31:27) blackis: possibly the QuickDraw parts used for blitting 00:32:20 <MaulingMonkey> bingo 00:32:31 <MaulingMonkey> At least, that's the part I noticed. 00:33:54 <MaulingMonkey> And OpenTTD likes to play around with pointers to pixel buffers in a manner which leaves me not quite understanding how to proceed since I'm unfamiliar with OpenTTD's source, the underlying language (Objective C), the origin API (QuickDraw), and the target API (Quartz) :P 00:34:16 <MaulingMonkey> So I'm basically just hoping someone else does it <_< >_> 00:35:08 <ln-> (03:34:31) blackis: However since the rest of the code is already Cocoa the changes should be rather minimal 00:36:43 <MaulingMonkey> Hopefully :) 00:38:08 <grimrc1> what's this option to add a poll to a new topic (on the forum)? 00:38:11 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 00:38:22 <ln-> (03:37:56) blackis: All that's basically needed as far as I can see from quickly watching the code is replacing the NSQuickDrawView with an ordinary NSView, then allocate memory for pixels with CGBitmapContextCreate, create an Image representation using CGBitmapContextCreateImage and then replace blitting with CGContextDrawImage 00:38:30 <ln-> (03:38:19) blackis: Blitting will have to be done explicitly at some point, as Quartz will *not* let you modify pixels manually anywhere 00:39:48 <ln-> (03:39:37) blackis: Making a new image representation using CGBitmapContextCreateImage is needed before each blit, as the pixels of a CGImage are immutable 00:39:52 <ln-> (03:39:40) blackis: CGBitmapContextCreateImage is supposed to be fast though 00:48:10 <Bjarni> nice 00:48:47 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 00:48:47 <MaulingMonkey> !logs 00:49:18 <Bjarni> ln-: do you think you can convince ln- to do it? 00:49:23 <Bjarni> err 00:49:32 <Bjarni> ln-: do you think you can convince blackis to do it? 00:49:54 * Bjarni would already be in bed if ln- didn't write anything 00:50:56 <ln-> i can ask, but i warn you that he's not addicted to OpenTTD (yet). 00:51:09 <Bjarni> ok, work a bit more on him then :) 00:51:17 <Bjarni> now I really need to sleep 00:51:19 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:51:20 <ln-> gn 00:51:22 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53588ae3.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:54:18 <JohnUK89> I'm off too, night 00:54:31 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 01:00:39 <grimrc1> gn 01:05:17 <grimrc1> so are // style comments frowned upon? I'm commenting my screensaver.patch 01:05:53 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 01:07:06 <MaulingMonkey> I frown upon them in C code, but you wouldn't be the first one to add them. 01:09:11 *** Dred_furst is now known as Dred_furst^away 01:10:00 <ln-> blackis is working on the thing 01:10:06 <MaulingMonkey> awesome! 01:10:30 <ln-> he said he'll give it 30 mins. let's see what will he achieve during that time. 01:13:29 *** Dred_furst^away is now known as Dred_furst 01:19:08 <grimrc1> I think all this coding style stuff is nonsense anyway; I'm sure there are utilities that'll reformat C code to your liking 01:32:15 <MaulingMonkey> And will then cause thousands of lines of cosmetic fixes when you go and diff the file versus trunk. 01:32:45 <MaulingMonkey> :) 01:33:09 <MaulingMonkey> cosmetic difference that arn't even agreed upon at that. 01:38:07 <grimrc1> MaulingMonkey: not with a utility to enforce coding style 01:38:37 <grimrc1> I mean for users or svn 01:39:02 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [] 01:39:11 <MaulingMonkey> You're more than welcome to force your code to conform to their standards with a utility. 01:39:39 <grimrc1> a smarter diff for svn diff - you can change the diff, but it's a little inflexible atm 01:39:40 <MaulingMonkey> However, they'd rather not force people to do it by utility if they'd rather do it by hand :-) 01:40:19 <MaulingMonkey> And changing how SVN does it's diff format is outside the scope of the OpenTTD project :P 01:42:39 <grimrc1> MaulingMonkey: sort of yeah; but it'd save lots of people time; people have to look at patches before they can tell the coding style's wrong (I've read it on flyspray) 01:44:05 <MaulingMonkey> Of course, they need to look at the patches anyways if they're making sure the patch is okay, because coding style is not the only potential fault :P 01:46:03 <grimrc1> I hope my screensaver one gets applied 02:12:05 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:44:32 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176114173.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 02:45:11 *** tynt [~tynt@217-159-185-46-dsl.est.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Can't nobody say I never did nothing for the peoples.] 02:55:27 *** Zahl22 [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-202-211.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:02:48 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-192-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:33:09 *** lws1984_ [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 03:33:18 *** Stranger [~Stranger@d-ip-129-15-209-100.kraettli.ou.edu] has joined #openttd 03:33:25 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:33:37 <Stranger> hello 03:34:35 <Stranger> for some reason I keep getting network disconnects 03:34:55 *** lws1984_ [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [] 03:35:16 <grimrc1> strange 03:36:10 <Stranger> in game 03:36:14 <Stranger> my connection is good, T3 03:37:08 <Stranger> bah, it just happened again 03:37:16 <Stranger> what port does ttd use? 03:40:33 <grimrc1> dunno - you on *nix? 03:40:41 <Stranger> no 03:41:11 <grimrc1> oh; so you haven't tried playing openttd from a console and seeing if any errors occur? 03:41:18 <Stranger> u-nix? 03:41:18 <Stranger> there's firewall, but I wouldn't be able to even connect if that were the case? 03:41:33 <Stranger> console? 03:43:05 *** Stranger [~Stranger@d-ip-129-15-209-100.kraettli.ou.edu] has left #openttd [] 03:43:05 *** Stranger [~Stranger@d-ip-129-15-209-100.kraettli.ou.edu] has joined #openttd 03:44:24 <grimrc1> openttd 22736 guest 19u IPv4 108147 UDP *:1032 03:44:24 <grimrc1> openttd 22736 guest 21u IPv4 108406 UDP *:3979 03:44:33 <Stranger> ok thx 03:44:35 <grimrc1> openttd 22736 guest 13r IPv4 108405 TCP *:3979 (LISTEN) 03:44:44 <Stranger> i've just created a test server 03:44:48 <Stranger> i'm going to see if anything happens 03:45:01 <grimrc1> that's what I get when I run a server - I can't join one because I'm using the svn version (latest) 03:45:17 <grimrc1> Stranger: have you tried with different servers? 03:45:26 <Stranger> yes 03:49:28 <Stranger> well, the server seems to be going ok 03:49:31 <Stranger> so far no crashing 03:50:17 <grimrc1> 'crashing'? 03:51:38 <Stranger> well, it seems i can host a server 03:52:00 <Stranger> I will try and join another random server 03:52:22 <Stranger> i'm spectating a dedicated 03:53:26 <Stranger> yep, connection lost 03:54:05 <grimrc1> it may be the firewall 03:54:12 <Stranger> that disconnects the connection? 03:54:16 <Stranger> funny thing is 03:54:23 <Stranger> first time i tried using open ttd was like yesterday 03:54:41 <Stranger> and I was able to be in a network game for like 15 minutse 03:54:52 <Stranger> in fact, I left, then when I wanted to rejoin, I started getting disconnects 03:56:07 <grimrc1> don't know really, but I'd try without if that's easy, or try completely opening the ports at least, UDP & TCP 03:56:31 <Stranger> well, i'm at an apartment on a university network 03:56:35 <Stranger> so I can't control that 03:56:47 <MaulingMonkey> !openttd port 03:56:48 <_42_> MaulingMonkey: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound) 03:57:41 <grimrc1> that's weird, I got this openttd 22736 guest 19u IPv4 108147 UDP *:1032 03:57:47 <grimrc1> is that outbound? 03:57:51 <Stranger> it could be routine maintenance on the severs here 03:58:11 <MaulingMonkey> mmm, outbound typically uses high ports, don't it? 03:58:13 <Stranger> i'll try again late 03:58:20 *** Stranger [~Stranger@d-ip-129-15-209-100.kraettli.ou.edu] has left #openttd [] 03:58:31 <MaulingMonkey> Can't say for certain, sorry mate. 03:58:41 <MaulingMonkey> Might be though. 03:59:08 <grimrc1> God you're right! 03:59:41 <MaulingMonkey> I'm not god <_< >_> 03:59:52 <MaulingMonkey> Although that's not a bad rumor to start :D 03:59:54 <grimrc1> ok I'll try to remember that 04:00:13 <grimrc1> why's my openttd using 1032 - that's weird - I was running a server to test 04:01:34 <MaulingMonkey> Does it change if you restart OpenTTD? 04:01:51 <grimrc1> I'll give it a whirl 04:01:54 <MaulingMonkey> That would indicate it's a randomly assigned port (and thus an outbound connection probably yes) 04:02:15 <MaulingMonkey> (I don't even know the command you're fiddling around with, but that's how sockets work from what I recall) 04:03:12 <grimrc1> I grep lsof for openttd and udp/tcp 04:03:19 <grimrc1> lsof is neat 04:05:29 <grimrc1> openttd 25260 guest 19u IPv4 112808 UDP *:1037 04:05:37 <grimrc1> only that port opens when I search for servers 04:06:16 <MaulingMonkey> LAN search or internet? 04:06:23 <grimrc1> internet 04:06:28 <MaulingMonkey> Peculiar 04:07:31 <grimrc1> not running as root of course 04:08:02 <grimrc1> I just restarted it and searched LAN and got: 04:08:05 <grimrc1> openttd 25320 guest 19u IPv4 113692 UDP *:1038 04:08:24 <MaulingMonkey> Mmmyes, sonuds like an auto-assigned outbound port :) 04:08:53 <grimrc1> isn't 1024 the reserved port limit? 04:09:21 <MaulingMonkey> From what I recall, yes, you need to run as root to use a port bellow (or at?) that. 04:09:34 <MaulingMonkey> On your typical linux kernel anyways. 04:10:29 <grimrc1> oh so 103? is not concerning then 04:11:18 <MaulingMonkey> 103? > 1024 04:12:22 <MaulingMonkey> Err yes. 04:12:27 <MaulingMonkey> (misread that as connecting) 04:15:47 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 04:18:41 *** Stormscape [~Stormscap@d207-6-59-80.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 04:18:44 <Stormscape> hmmm 04:18:52 <Stormscape> still having errors trying to run openttd 04:19:49 <Stormscape> specifically what seems to be sample.cat and the graphics files from TTDX 04:19:56 <Stormscape> says they're corrupted or missing 04:20:38 <grimrc1> Stormscape: what OS? 04:20:45 <Stormscape> Fedora Core 5 04:21:04 <Stormscape> I know they're not corrupted, TTDX runs just fine when I boot Windows 04:22:17 <grimrc1> Stormscape: it probably can't find the files - it's a silly error message 04:22:35 <Stormscape> the files are just supposed to be where OpenTTD was compiled, right? 04:23:16 <Stormscape> which for me is /usr/bin/ 04:24:50 <grimrc1> Stormscape: you could try strace openttd to find out where it's looking for them - might use a relative path in the system call though 04:25:17 <Stormscape> I'm not familiar with strace, how does it work and what should I type? 04:25:32 <grimrc1> mine are in /usr/share/games/openttd/data/ 04:26:04 <Stormscape> strace isn't even a command in FC5 it seems, I tried "strace --help" 04:26:28 *** Hawk-N_ [~hawknet@host-81-191-198-51.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 04:26:31 <grimrc1> open("/usr/share/games/openttd/data/trg1.grf", O_RDONLY) = 3 04:26:39 <grimrc1> probably isn't installed 04:26:48 <grimrc1> Stormscape: how did you compile openttd? 04:27:05 <Stormscape> just with a make command 04:27:21 <grimrc1> I think you're supposed to do make INSTALL:=1 04:27:33 <Stormscape> I was told install was broken and not to use it 04:27:34 <grimrc1> inside Makefile.config there are options 04:27:44 <grimrc1> Stormscape: oh - I'm using it hehe 04:28:09 <grimrc1> Stormscape: INSTALL:=1 might not matter; did you tweak Makefile.config ? 04:28:14 <Stormscape> nope 04:28:25 <grimrc1> there's a DATA_DIR option or something like it 04:28:34 <Stormscape> man 04:28:41 <Stormscape> it's gonna be fun cleaning up /usr/bin 04:28:44 <grimrc1> it's not the p 04:28:47 <grimrc1> haha 04:28:49 <Stormscape> there's source files in there 04:28:51 <Stormscape> and compiled stuff 04:28:55 <Stormscape> and Linux stuff 04:28:55 <grimrc1> oh man that's not good 04:29:01 <grimrc1> man ls 04:29:08 <grimrc1> sort by date or something 04:29:28 <Stormscape> Firefox is installed there too 04:29:37 <grimrc1> the source!? 04:29:40 <Stormscape> no 04:29:42 <Stormscape> just Firefox itself 04:29:47 <Stormscape> like hell I'm gonna compil Firefox 04:30:00 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-231-230-95-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:30:03 <grimrc1> oh - well openttd can go in /usr/bin probably, but the data files have to go in a different directory 04:30:31 <grimrc1> Stormscape: try make install for openttd again, and look for where it puts the data directory ?? 04:30:48 <Stormscape> hey 04:30:48 <grimrc1> mine is /usr/share/games/openttd/data/ (Gentoo) 04:30:52 <Stormscape> I found the data directory 04:30:56 <Stormscape> /usr/bin/data 04:31:00 <Stormscape> silly me 04:31:11 <grimrc1> Stormscape: well it's there normally if you haven't installed openttd 04:31:24 <Stormscape> thre's OpenTTD stuff in there 04:31:25 <grimrc1> putting anything in /usr/bin yourself is a very bad idea 04:31:31 <Stormscape> namely openttd.grf 04:31:52 <grimrc1> Stormscape: it's because you unpacked the source in there; you may be able to put the data files in there and make it work 04:32:04 <Stormscape> probably 04:32:17 <Stormscape> what's the names of all th graphics files again? 04:33:09 <grimrc1> uhm sample.cat 04:33:11 <grimrc1> -rw-r--r-- 1 root games 2.4M Feb 8 1996 trg1.grf 04:33:11 <grimrc1> -rw-r--r-- 1 root games 261K Oct 11 1995 trgc.grf 04:33:11 <grimrc1> -rw-r--r-- 1 root games 401K Feb 11 1996 trgh.grf 04:33:11 <grimrc1> -rw-r--r-- 1 root games 287K Feb 8 1996 trgi.grf 04:33:11 <grimrc1> -rw-r--r-- 1 root games 546K Oct 11 1995 trgt.grf 04:33:23 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-231-230-95-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 04:34:03 <Stormscape> you know 04:34:07 <Stormscape> I should probably start over 04:34:11 <Stormscape> remove the source from thre 04:34:13 <Stormscape> remove OpenTTD 04:34:18 <Stormscape> and try again 04:35:47 <grimrc1> yeah suppose so 04:37:19 <Stormscape> the fun part is gonna be removing OpenTTD without breaking firefox 04:37:39 <Stormscape> or anything else 04:38:14 <grimrc1> just ls by date 04:38:28 <grimrc1> well, that'll catch *most* files 04:39:00 <grimrc1> there are bash scripting ways to do it, but they're a little complicated 04:39:58 <grimrc1> ls -1 /home/user/myproperopenttdsourcedir/ | while read VAR; do rm /usr/bin/$VAR; done --- not guaranteed to work in this state - needs debugging 04:40:52 <Stormscape> ok "ls --sort=time" is the correct syntax for sortin by time, right? 04:41:30 <grimrc1> yep 04:41:45 <grimrc1> I use -l -h too 04:41:58 <grimrc1> or -1 04:42:12 <grimrc1> (-1 is one and -l is el the letter) 04:42:16 <Stormscape> typically I want to get rid of the newer stuff, right? 04:42:40 <grimrc1> Stormscape: yeah; if you unpack the source somewhere else, you can look at the file names 04:42:48 <Stormscape> hmmm 04:43:03 <Stormscape> there's so much stuff in my /usr/bin it truncates it at February 2006 04:44:04 <grimrc1> -r to reverse order 04:44:32 <Stormscape> k 04:44:51 <grimrc1> Stormscape: maybe a GUI's better if you're not bash scripting 04:45:22 <Stormscape> like hell I'm gonna bother starting a new session 04:45:39 <Stormscape> I can't make changes in /usr/bin 04:45:45 <grimrc1> wrong user 04:45:49 <Stormscape> only root can write thre 04:46:30 <Stormscape> you think I'd be using bash if I was logged in as root 04:47:17 <grimrc1> suppose - you can run a file manager as root, even though you log in as a non-root user - do by su-ing in a terminal and then running the GUI program by name 04:47:41 <Stormscape> good point 04:48:55 <Stormscape> does konqueror have the list view like Windows Explorer? 04:49:20 <grimrc1> dunno - been a while 04:49:28 <grimrc1> pretty sure it would though 04:49:57 <Stormscape> well if it does I can't find it 04:50:01 <Stormscape> it's probably right in front of me 04:50:06 <Stormscape> yup 04:50:11 <Stormscape> right in front of me 04:51:08 <grimrc1> so, you're going to untar source code in its own dir in future? 04:51:24 <Stormscape> yes 04:51:35 <Stormscape> I learned my lesson 04:51:39 <Stormscape> if I ever find all the files 04:51:51 <grimrc1> the shell script way I said would find them 04:52:43 <Stormscape> ok that looks like all of them 04:52:47 <Stormscape> deleted all the C source files 04:52:50 <grimrc1> Stormscape: dirs too 04:52:54 <Stormscape> those too 04:52:57 <grimrc1> *.o 04:52:59 <grimrc1> *.h 04:53:01 <Stormscape> and deleted anything really new 04:53:09 <grimrc1> Makefile* 04:53:45 <Stormscape> I'm not deleting any shell scripts. there's a billion of those in here 04:54:13 <grimrc1> no, I meant writing a bash shell script to do the job for oyu 04:54:19 <Stormscape> oh 04:54:31 <Stormscape> ok let's try this again 04:55:25 <grimrc1> the cryptic 'sample.cat corrupted' error message got me too you'll be glad to know; I was thinking about fixing it 04:56:00 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:56:52 <Stormscape> ok let's see 04:56:58 <Stormscape> time to figure the install option 04:57:31 <grimrc1> oh, if you ever want to run openttd as a screensaver; takes some work though: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Openttd_screensaver_howto 04:58:09 <Stormscape> hmmm 04:58:20 <Stormscape> would the default options for install work in Fedora Coe? 04:58:22 <Stormscape> *Core 04:58:32 <grimrc1> Stormscape: afraid I don't know 04:58:50 <grimrc1> the most important thing I noticed is the SOMETHING_DIR variables in Makefile.config 04:59:40 <grimrc1> but you need to know where your distro usually puts stuff (by cd-ing around I suppose), although you could just use /openttd/data for example 05:00:26 <Stormscape> well 05:00:30 <Stormscape> there is a /usr/games folder 05:00:44 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75B6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:00:48 <Stormscape> I guess OpenTTD could go there 05:01:10 <grimrc1> true, but there's probably a /usr/games/bin folder, a /usr/games/share folder etc. etc. 05:01:26 <grimrc1> normally *nix programs separate things, such as data and executables 05:01:42 <Stormscape> /usr/games is empty 05:01:58 <grimrc1> BINARY_DIR:=games/bin 05:01:58 <grimrc1> DATA_DIR:=share/games/openttd 05:01:58 <grimrc1> ICON_DIR:= 05:01:58 <grimrc1> USE_HOMEDIR:=1 05:01:58 <grimrc1> PERSONAL_DIR:= 05:02:15 <grimrc1> PREFIX:=/usr 05:02:19 <Stormscape> hmmm 05:02:25 <Stormscape> my makefile is different 05:02:30 <grimrc1> that's an *example* - my custom ones for Gentoo 05:02:45 <grimrc1> PREFIX goes before the other dirs 05:02:54 <Stormscape> which OpenTTD are you using? 0.4.8 or one ofthe nightlys? 05:02:58 <grimrc1> svn 05:03:05 <grimrc1> though I did use 0.4.8 before too 05:03:07 <Stormscape> that explains it 05:03:10 <Stormscape> I'm using 0.4.8 05:03:40 <grimrc1> Gentoo compiled & installed 0.4.8 properly for me; you should be able to get a 0.4.8 package for your distro really 05:04:08 <Stormscape> there isn't one 05:04:11 <Stormscape> I checked thoroughly 05:04:23 <grimrc1> wow - is that what Redhat's reduced to heh 05:04:32 <Stormscape> apparantly 05:04:39 <Stormscape> and Fedora Core 5 is actually rather good 05:04:56 <grimrc1> oh well - so's Gentoo 05:05:26 <Stormscape> PREFIX:=/usr 05:05:26 <Stormscape> DATA_DIR:=games/openttd 05:05:26 <Stormscape> BINARY_DIR:=games 05:05:26 <Stormscape> PERSONAL_DIR:=.openttd 05:05:29 <Stormscape> USE_HOMEDIR:=1 05:05:29 <Stormscape> think that would work? 05:06:16 <grimrc1> maybe - not sure about PERSONAL_DIR - mine is unset - I don't think you're supposed to use it at the same time as USE_HOMEDIR:=1; read the Makefile.config comments 05:06:53 <Stormscape> I did. says use_homedir is to tell OpenTTD where to put saves 05:07:06 <grimrc1> Stormscape: with those settings, your ttd data files should be put in /usr/games/openttd/data 05:07:11 <Stormscape> errrr 05:07:13 <Stormscape> wait 05:07:15 <Stormscape> re-reads 05:07:17 <Stormscape> ahhh 05:07:25 <Stormscape> use_homedir is to tell it where to put the data dirs 05:07:26 <Stormscape> and gm 05:07:33 <Stormscape> .openttd is where saves and scenarios go 05:07:39 <grimrc1> oh 05:07:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7569B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:07:52 <Stormscape> ok here gos nothing 05:08:37 <Stormscape> did a "make install" 05:08:43 <grimrc1> the thing is, if you're not installing openttd with INSTALL:=1, maybe this is a waste of time and you should be using /path/to/openttdsourcedir/data 05:08:45 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has joined #openttd 05:09:15 <Stormscape> well 05:09:20 <grimrc1> Stormscape: for make install to work properly you have to, make INSTALL:=1 then make install INSTALL:=1 - I was told 05:09:32 <Stormscape> apparantly /usr/games can only be written to by root 05:09:42 <grimrc1> or change the Makefile.config 05:09:43 <Stormscape> time to open a konsole window as root 05:09:45 <Stormscape> as usual 05:09:52 <Stormscape> an do what? 05:09:54 <grimrc1> Stormscape: you can run make install as root 05:10:07 <grimrc1> or change the Makefile.config - to set INSTALL:=1 if you want to 05:12:00 <Stormscape> hmm 05:12:03 <Stormscape> getting an error 05:12:12 <Stormscape> install: cannot stat `openttd': No such file or directory 05:12:33 <grimrc1> what did you try? 05:12:39 <Stormscape> "make install INSTALL:=1" 05:12:48 <grimrc1> did you try make INSTALL:=1 first? 05:12:51 <Stormscape> it made all the directories in /usr/games correctly then failed 05:13:37 <grimrc1> I think this error means you haven't compiled 'openttd' the executable yet: install: cannot stat `openttd': No such file or directory 05:13:58 <Stormscape> so ummm 05:14:03 <Stormscape> how do I do that? 05:14:09 <grimrc1> make INSTALL:=1 05:14:14 <grimrc1> then make install INSTALL:=1 05:14:38 <Stormscape> are you sure that'll work? 05:14:44 <grimrc1> no 05:15:07 <Stormscape> at least the openttd source is in its own directory 05:15:13 <Stormscape> I just delete the directory if it didn't work 05:15:59 <grimrc1> true - instead, just make - and nothing else; then copy ttd files to sourcedir/data/ and then run ./openttd from sourcedir/ 05:16:25 <Stormscape> well 05:16:28 <Stormscape> it didn't work 05:16:34 <Stormscape> it just installed openttd in the source 05:16:36 <grimrc1> make on its own? 05:16:53 <grimrc1> yeah; you can run it from the sourcedir if you want 05:16:54 *** exe [~dgjk@in.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 05:17:04 <Stormscape> created a general mess in there 05:17:16 <grimrc1> I don't understand if you want to install it to the normal system dirs or just inside the sourcedir/ for testing 05:17:28 *** exe [~dgjk@in.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 05:17:41 *** MaulingMonkey [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 05:17:53 <grimrc1> to install it in to the sourcedir for testing or whatever: make 05:17:57 <Stormscape> I want to install to normal system dirs 05:18:19 <grimrc1> to install it properly, set up the Makefile.config properly (as it seems you have) then: make INSTALL:=1; make install INSTALL:=1 (at your own risk) 05:18:39 <Stormscape> oh 05:18:39 <grimrc1> and you must run make install INSTALL:=1 as root 05:18:54 <Stormscape> "make INSTALL:=1; make install INSTALL:=1" as one command? 05:19:16 <grimrc1> Stormscape: if you like; the semicolon makes bash recognise it as two commands 1 after the other 05:19:27 <Stormscape> well I tried that 05:19:37 <grimrc1> really? that fast? 05:19:42 <Stormscape> all it did was compile openttd in the source dir then it failed on the second command 05:19:57 <grimrc1> Stormscape: have you tried it again? 05:20:07 <Stormscape> it wouldn't change anything 05:20:18 <grimrc1> does it say Make: nothing to be done or something like that? 05:20:37 <Stormscape> no 05:20:43 <Stormscape> it just does that screwup 05:20:48 <Stormscape> "cannot stat" or whatever 05:21:01 <grimrc1> make clean; make INSTALL:=1; make install INSTALL:=1 05:21:47 <Stormscape> ok trying that 05:22:06 <grimrc1> the clean step cleans up old compile files and forces it to recompile (with the proper hardcoded directories you've set up in Makefile.config I hope) 05:22:41 <Stormscape> ok on the final command it screws up 05:22:49 <Stormscape> install: cannot overwrite directory `//usr/games/openttd' with non-directory 05:22:49 <Stormscape> make: *** [install] Error 1 05:23:13 <grimrc1> ohh 05:23:24 <Stormscape> and it's made a huge mess of the source directory again 05:23:40 <grimrc1> I think it's because openttd the exe is there, as is the openttd directory (with data files inside) - not allowed 05:23:59 <Stormscape> erm 05:24:04 <grimrc1> DATA_DIR:=games/openttd 05:24:09 <Stormscape> wouldn't openttd put the exe INSIDE the directory? 05:24:12 <grimrc1> DATA_DIR:=games/openttd-files ? 05:24:25 <grimrc1> BINARY_DIR:=games 05:24:35 <Stormscape> ah 05:24:37 <Stormscape> now I see 05:24:57 <grimrc1> nope - that's what BINARY_DIR is for; usually executables are separated from their data on Unix; ls -lh /bin shows you loads of exes with no data files 05:25:09 <grimrc1> or /usr/bin 05:25:10 <Stormscape> I'll try just make install INSTALL:=1 now 05:25:23 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:25:23 <Stormscape> nope 05:25:24 <Stormscape> same error 05:25:25 <grimrc1> Stormscape: have you changed anything? 05:25:29 <Stormscape> I fixed DATA_DIR 05:25:34 <grimrc1> to what? 05:25:38 <Stormscape> what you suggested 05:25:50 <Stormscape> but I forgot to clear out /usr/games lol 05:25:53 <Stormscape> just remembered 05:26:05 <grimrc1> yeah - make install won't work now because the old dirs are hardcoded in to the openttd exe 05:26:15 <grimrc1> make clean; make INSTALL:=1; make install INSTALL:=1 05:27:05 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has joined #openttd 05:28:00 <Stormscape> hmmmm 05:28:16 <grimrc1> did it install ok? 05:29:40 <grimrc1> that's not the end of it; you have to put the TTD graphics and sample.cat in $DATA_DIR/data/ 05:29:57 <grimrc1> manually 05:29:59 <Stormscape> how do I change ownershp of a file? 05:30:04 <grimrc1> chown 05:30:12 <grimrc1> you should do make install as root 05:30:20 <Stormscape> I know 05:31:01 <Stormscape> I was just speeding something up 05:31:08 <Stormscape> changed Makefile.config 05:31:15 <Stormscape> gonna reextract the source (again) 05:31:24 <grimrc1> really why? 05:31:37 <grimrc1> those extra files in the source are made when it compiles; make clean removes them 05:31:43 <grimrc1> they're normal 05:31:53 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-177-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 05:32:12 <Stormscape> well I made it so I don't have to type INSTALL:=1 05:32:19 <grimrc1> oh fair enough 05:32:47 <Stormscape> ok if this doesn't work I just don't know 05:33:01 <Stormscape> "make clean; make; make install" or is it somethig else? 05:34:04 <grimrc1> that's it, except make install needs root; others don't mind 05:34:17 <Stormscape> well it's all being run from a root konsole 05:34:32 <Stormscape> here goes nothing 05:35:38 <Stormscape> ok it basically did the same thing as before 05:35:58 <grimrc1> really?? 05:36:03 <Stormscape> it's not making the right data directory name! 05:36:06 <Stormscape> oh ffs! 05:36:22 <grimrc1> I think you might have to put INSTALL:=1 on the commandline 05:36:45 <Stormscape> no, it's still making the data directory "openttd", not "openttd-files" 05:37:03 <grimrc1> strange 05:37:37 <grimrc1> you edited Makefile.config and not Makefile (they look almost the same)? 05:37:50 <Stormscape> yes 05:37:57 <Stormscape> Makefile.config looks vastly different 05:38:20 <Stormscape> aha 05:38:27 <Stormscape> Makefile.config doesn't have the updated data_dir 05:38:33 <grimrc1> maybe there path needs 'quoting like this'; but you could just call it something different than openttd without - instead? 05:38:58 <grimrc1> Stormscape: I'd use Makefile.config and make sure Makefile doesn't conflict 05:39:09 <Stormscape> they aren't conflicting 05:39:18 <grimrc1> oh 05:39:29 <Stormscape> make just isn't playing nice 05:39:39 <grimrc1> have you fixed it? 05:39:47 <Stormscape> trying to compile again 05:39:55 <Stormscape> with "make; make install" (already ran make clean 05:40:41 <Stormscape> got waaaaaaaaaaay 05:40:42 <Stormscape> furthur 05:40:43 <grimrc1> most projects have better build systems that autodetect more stuff 05:40:45 <Stormscape> but still failed 05:40:56 <Stormscape> cp scenario/* //usr/games/openttd-files/scenario/ 05:40:56 <Stormscape> cp: cannot stat `scenario/*': No such file or directory 05:40:56 <Stormscape> make: *** [install] Error 1 05:41:11 <grimrc1> oh yeah that's normal bug 05:41:19 <Stormscape> how is that fixed? 05:41:38 <grimrc1> you have to place a file in scenario/ in sourcedir/ - it can be empty 05:41:49 <Stormscape> any specific name? 05:41:51 <grimrc1> nope 05:42:10 <Stormscape> then re-run "make; make install"? 05:42:13 <grimrc1> I think I had the same problem or saw it discussed a few days ago in here 05:42:19 <grimrc1> yeah rerun 05:42:24 <grimrc1> actually not make 05:42:27 <grimrc1> just make install 05:42:40 <Stormscape> well I had instinctively done make clean after it failed 05:42:48 <grimrc1> oh gotta start afresh then 05:43:02 <Stormscape> well it' not like I'm compiling a Linux kernel :D 05:43:13 <grimrc1> the Linux kernel build system is a bit nicer 05:43:16 <Stormscape> hmmm 05:43:18 <Stormscape> no messages 05:43:20 <Stormscape> I think it worked 05:43:29 <Stormscape> hmmm 05:43:30 <grimrc1> yep; need to copy data files to data/ dir now 05:43:37 <Stormscape> how do I add a place to my $PATH 05:43:46 <Stormscape> so I can just type openttd to run it 05:43:49 <grimrc1> PATH=$PATH:/new/path/here 05:44:07 <grimrc1> I was worried your choice of openttd BINARY_DIR might not be a normal $PATH one 05:44:21 <Stormscape> so for me, PATH=$PATH:/usr/games/openttd or /usr/games? 05:44:37 <grimrc1> /usr/games if openttd exe is at /usr/games/openttd 05:44:45 <Stormscape> it is 05:45:01 <Stormscape> ok it found openttd 05:45:07 <Stormscape> now to copy the graphics 05:45:23 <Stormscape> after I get something to drink 05:45:31 <grimrc1> trouble is, setting $PATH this way isn't permanent; you have to find where it's set system wide; I think it's /etc/profile ----- PATH=$PATH:/usr/games would suffice 05:45:42 <grimrc1> alcoholic? hehe 05:46:13 <grimrc1> I'll make sure the guy who wrote the build system knows he's driving users to drink 05:46:29 <Stormscape> hehehe 05:46:34 <Stormscape> I wish I had alcohol after this 05:46:37 <Stormscape> just coca-cola 05:46:56 <grimrc1> yeah; openttd build is quite troublesome 05:46:58 <Stormscape> if I knew how to program i'd write a better build system 05:47:21 <Stormscape> sigh 05:47:27 <Stormscape> forgot to mount that windows partition 05:49:05 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-136-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 05:49:20 <Stormscape> :D 05:49:22 <Stormscape> SUCCESS 05:49:51 <Stormscape> Thanks for all the help grimrc1 05:50:15 <grimrc1> cool 05:50:18 <grimrc1> have fun 05:51:36 <Stormscape> hmmm 05:51:52 <Stormscape> I just discovered something on wiki.openttd.org I wish I had discovered before I compiled 05:51:55 <Stormscape> path base signals 05:52:00 <Stormscape> *Based 05:52:29 <Stormscape> oh well 05:52:34 <grimrc1> Stormscape: I was just thinking, 0.4.8 is a bit out-dated really (even though it's the latest stable release) - MiniN are quite popular 05:53:35 <grimrc1> actually ignore that; 0.4.8 is very popular 05:57:46 <Stormscape> that took like what, 2 hours? 05:58:33 <grimrc1> really!? 05:58:40 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 05:58:40 <grimrc1> !logs 06:00:21 <grimrc1> 23:45:02 < Stormscape> man, I'm getting really good at asking important questions and getting immediately ignored. 06:00:21 <grimrc1> 23:45:10 <@MiHaMiX> :D 06:00:21 <grimrc1> 23:45:24 < Stormscape> :D 06:00:22 <grimrc1> hehe 06:00:55 <grimrc1> 07:18:41 -!- Stormscape [~Stormscap@d207-6-59-80.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 06:00:56 <Stormscape> what time is it now in those logs? 06:01:13 <grimrc1> 07:18:41 -!- Stormscape [~Stormscap@d207-6-59-80.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 06:01:20 <grimrc1> 09:00:56 < Stormscape> what time is it now in those logs? 06:01:23 <Stormscape> :O 06:01:26 <grimrc1> God! 06:01:27 <Stormscape> 9 hours?! 06:01:32 <Stormscape> jesus 06:01:34 <Stormscape> then again 06:01:36 <grimrc1> 1 hour 42 minutes? 06:01:43 <Stormscape> oh 06:01:44 <Stormscape> nvm 06:01:54 <grimrc1> but that includes sitting-around-feeling-chuffed time 06:01:58 <Stormscape> ya 06:02:00 <Stormscape> lol 06:02:13 <Stormscape> 2 hours isn't bad for compiling a game Iguess 06:02:17 <Stormscape> man 06:02:18 <grimrc1> I'm surprised it was that long - see you must have been having fun really 06:02:27 <grimrc1> hah 06:02:28 <Stormscape> I really need a keyboard that plays nice with Linux 06:02:41 <grimrc1> is the keymap wrong? 06:02:46 <Stormscape> this thing keeps sending extra stuff to Linux 06:02:55 <grimrc1> weird - USB? 06:02:55 <Stormscape> or forgets to send stuff 06:03:05 <Stormscape> it's a Mircrosoft wireless multimedia keybord 06:03:14 <grimrc1> I was just about to guess wireless 06:03:20 <Stormscape> the wireless is fine 06:03:22 <grimrc1> works ok with Windows? 06:03:24 <Stormscape> it works in Windows no problem 06:03:35 <grimrc1> oh strange 06:03:53 <Stormscape> also plays nice on my friend's Mandrake computer 06:04:06 <grimrc1> even stranger 06:04:56 <grimrc1> USB problem I bet 06:05:16 <CIA-2> tron * r6180 /trunk/gfx.c: Use a switch instead of function pointers to choose the blitter 06:05:32 <Stormscape> it's a PS/2 keyboard 06:05:50 <grimrc1> ohhh 06:05:54 <Stormscape> they made it PS/2 because some old BIOSs don't support USB keyboards that well 06:06:02 <Stormscape> see, Microsoft is smart sometimes 06:06:22 <grimrc1> USB -> PS/2 adapter 06:06:22 <Stormscape> and this keyboard has taken ALOT of punishment 06:06:38 <Stormscape> crumbs, spilled drinks, me getting mad and slamming my fists 06:06:41 <Stormscape> getting thrown around 06:06:42 *** Guest56 [Gono@N821P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 06:06:46 <Stormscape> even was taken apart twie 06:06:49 <Stormscape> twice 06:06:50 <grimrc1> heh 06:06:53 <Stormscape> still works 06:07:04 <Stormscape> oh wait 06:07:13 <Stormscape> the scroll wheel on the left side of the keyboard doesn't work anymore 06:07:18 <Stormscape> not after that coke got spilled there 06:07:51 <grimrc1> strange - you would think it'd be ok when it dries up 06:07:52 <Stormscape> I've been considering getting the Logitech G15, mainly cause Logitech plays nice in Linux 06:08:42 <Stormscape> and cause I still use Windows for gaming 06:08:54 <Stormscape> hmmm 06:09:11 <Stormscape> should I move all the data off that drive and repartition it as a Linux file system 06:09:44 <Stormscape> that would involve booting to Windows though 06:09:59 <Stormscape> cause I'm too lazy to set good umasks on my ntfs mounts 06:10:13 <grimrc1> maybe it's a BIOS update: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=472776 06:10:49 <grimrc1> I basically don't use Windows any more 06:11:50 *** exe [~dgjk@in.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 06:12:15 <Stormscape> there 06:12:20 <Stormscape> I'm fixing the permissions 06:12:26 <Stormscape> or not 06:12:27 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N923P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:12:29 <Stormscape> it stalled 06:12:32 <Stormscape> and failed 06:12:42 <grimrc1> you have to change the way it's mounted I think] 06:12:46 <grimrc1> annoyingly 06:13:19 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6181 /trunk/ (aircraft_gui.c roadveh_gui.c ship_gui.c train_gui.c): -Fix r6161: The list of vehicles using a certain station got a bit of display code mixed up with the list of vehicles with shared orders (nycom) 06:13:22 <grimrc1> man fstab 06:13:30 <grimrc1> or man mount 06:15:02 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 06:15:08 <Stormscape> hmmm 06:15:16 <Stormscape> this will be vastly easier if I go to Windows 06:15:44 <Stormscape> or I can just nuke the partition, it's not like I really want 55gb of Doctor Who anyways 06:15:51 <grimrc1> hehe 06:16:09 <Stormscape> there's just one folder I need to backup 06:16:16 <Stormscape> my Windows LimeWire shared 06:16:36 <Stormscape> hmmm 06:16:40 <Stormscape> decisions decisions 06:16:45 <Stormscape> which file system to put on the drive 06:16:55 <Stormscape> and why didn't I make /home its own partition 06:18:00 *** Guest33195 [khong20@60.50.49.180] has joined #openttd 06:18:33 *** Guest33195 [khong20@60.50.49.180] has quit [] 06:18:36 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6182 /trunk/ship_gui.c: -Code cleanup: replaced one (1 << 8) with SHARE_FLAG (missed in r6167) 06:19:42 <grimrc1> I'm off; cya Stormscape 06:19:57 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: bye] 06:20:57 *** Michelle_Angel [~khongTwen@60.50.49.180] has joined #openttd 06:21:51 <CIA-2> tron * r6183 /trunk/ (6 files): Move GetDrawStringPlayerColor() out of gfx.[ch] 06:21:58 *** Michelle_Angel is now known as khong20 06:22:45 *** khong20 is now known as Khong20 06:23:41 *** Khong20 is now known as Michelle_Angel 06:27:48 *** Michelle_Angel is now known as Khong20 06:27:54 *** Khong20 is now known as Michelle_Angel 06:33:05 *** Michelle_Angel [~khongTwen@60.50.49.180] has quit [Quit: Michelle_Angel] 06:33:23 *** Ammler [~Ammler@45.148.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 06:35:26 * roboboy homework 06:40:26 *** Ammler [~Ammler@45.148.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:48:03 <Stormscape> According to a study, if Red Hat 7.1 had been developed by conventional proprietary means, it would have cost about 1.08 billion dollars to develop in the United States. 06:48:09 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC79AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:50:31 *** miika [~miika@cs181254239.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 06:50:42 *** Zahl22 [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-202-211.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! 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36 fixed, 12 changed by trenskow (48) 08:44:25 <CIA-2> french - 2 changed by glx (2) 08:44:26 <CIA-2> italian - 36 fixed, 5 changed by sidew (41) 08:46:54 *** exe [~dgjk@in.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:47:09 *** exe [~dgjk@in.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 08:49:09 *** Stormscape [~Stormscap@d207-6-59-80.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: I've got a Jihad in my underwear] 08:54:31 *** Tron_ [h801IlLq@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 09:01:23 *** Ammler [~Ammler@45.148.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 09:02:30 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 09:04:48 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 09:10:16 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has joined #openttd 09:10:16 *** Dmitry [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:45 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81B46.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:13:35 <CIA-2> rubidium * r6186 /trunk/ (settings.c settings.h settings_gui.c): 09:13:35 <CIA-2> -Fix [FS#309]: add an override system to the dynamically determined size of steps for numeric patch settings in the 'Configure patches' GUI. 09:13:35 <CIA-2> The size of these steps normally about (max - min) / 50, which results in steps of 100 000 years for the start year, end year, network restart year and the year of introduction of coloured newspapers. 09:16:22 *** exe [~dgjk@in.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 09:17:22 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 09:21:08 *** Ammler [~Ammler@45.148.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21:22 <CIA-2> truelight * r6187 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Add: added iconv detection 09:23:43 <Tron_> !seen alltaken 09:23:44 <_42_> Tron_, Alltaken (~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net) was last seen quitting #openttd 1 day 22 hours 37 minutes ago (26.08. 10:46) stating "Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]" after spending 1 hour 55 minutes there. 09:26:25 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r4.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:27:19 <CIA-2> truelight * r6188 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (config.lib configure): [MakefileRewrite] -Add: added --enable-translator, to show todo items for translators 09:33:34 <CIA-2> truelight * r6189 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Add: added support to configure an other midi-player 09:37:30 <CIA-2> truelight * r6190 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (Makefile.in configure): [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: also trigger a reconfig if any of the configure files changed (tnx Rubidium) 09:44:23 <CIA-2> truelight * r6191 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Add: added --disable-assert, to disable.. asserts ;) 09:47:10 <CIA-2> truelight * r6192 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (config.lib configure): [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: in case by accident an enter comes up in the configure line, rewrite it to nothing 09:49:49 *** Ammler [~Ammler@45.148.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 09:50:23 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 09:52:43 <JohnUK89> Morning :) 09:55:01 <CIA-2> truelight * r6193 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (Makefile.in config.lib configure): 09:55:01 <CIA-2> [MakefileRewrite] -Add: added --revision to override revision 09:55:01 <CIA-2> -Add: added check for a file called 'version', and use the version as revision from there, if exists 09:55:01 <CIA-2> -Add: added big fat warning if you override revision manually. This is rarely the way to go. 10:05:43 <CIA-2> truelight * r6194 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: 10:05:43 <CIA-2> [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: somehow if you change the content of a file you are executing via bash, weird things start to happen. 10:05:43 <CIA-2> When we remove the file and replace it with an other, it seems okay. 10:05:43 <CIA-2> Tnx Rubidium for noticing this bug. 10:06:15 <Patrick`> yes, behaviour there is implementation defined 10:06:40 <Patrick`> for example, catting a file into a sed/sort/uniq/rev/etc pipleline then back into itself 10:07:02 <Patrick`> I've personally seen files not get wiped out by that but usually it doesn't work 10:07:12 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:19 <TrueLight> that I know yes :) 10:07:23 <TrueLight> but this was pretty unexpected 10:07:39 <TrueLight> it then stats to execute random pieces of the new file 10:07:42 <TrueLight> just, random 10:07:57 <Patrick`> good god 10:08:23 <Patrick`> you were actually editing the self-file from within itself? 10:08:29 <Patrick`> crazy. 10:08:53 <TrueLight> no, a bash script called a configure file 10:09:00 <TrueLight> that rewrote the bash script, so it could be repeated again 10:09:12 <TrueLight> I just assumed it would release the bash script 10:09:14 <TrueLight> it didn't 10:09:22 <Patrick`> aah 10:09:48 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:09:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:12:04 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Au reviour!] 10:13:25 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@193.119.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 10:13:49 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 10:14:41 <CIA-2> rubidium * r6195 /trunk/ (7 files): -Codechange: do not use '//' in '/* ... */' style comments and '/*' or '*/' in '//' style comments. 10:15:02 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 10:17:30 *** Progman [~progman@p5091CAA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:17:35 *** Ammler [~Ammler@45.148.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:23:05 *** Dmitry [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has joined #openttd 10:23:05 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:16 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:37:16 *** Progman [~progman@p5091CAA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:16 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-202.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:37:31 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 10:37:33 <Patrick`> 'specially schlocktoberfest 10:37:38 <MaulingMonkey> If I saved all the webcomics I read to disk, I'd probably be bigger than my porn collection. 10:37:52 <Patrick`> you must have a very small libido. 10:37:56 <Patrick`> http://patrickthomson.ath.cx/webtoons.htm 10:37:58 <Patrick`> oops 10:38:00 <Patrick`> html 10:38:01 <Patrick`> go nuts 10:38:24 <MaulingMonkey> my "current reading list" is about 2 screen heights of bookmarks 10:38:39 <Patrick`> I keep them like that so I can keep my tabbing sharp 10:38:49 <Patrick`> I read it in the mornings before shower/coffee 10:39:24 <MaulingMonkey> I've been planning to organize mine sometime, I just don't have the time to do it though :S 10:39:36 <Patrick`> I barely organise them 10:39:44 <smeding> heh 10:39:49 <Patrick`> basically I tab up the first 2 columns every morning and the third one every sunday 10:39:52 <smeding> i have Google Reader do it for me 10:40:03 <Patrick`> oh, and if you've not read 1/0 10:40:05 <Patrick`> do it NOW 10:40:10 <Patrick`> --> chorez 10:40:47 <MaulingMonkey> No no, I mean, I keep boomarking so quickly that I ocassionally loose updating webcomics in the pile. 10:40:54 <MaulingMonkey> And end up rediscovering them weeks or months later. 10:42:40 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 10:42:43 <MeusH> !seen Darkvater 10:42:45 <_42_> MeusH, Darkvater (~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl) was last seen quitting #openttd 16 hours 50 minutes ago (27.08. 17:52) stating "Quit: leaving" after spending 49 minutes there. 10:44:30 <smeding> !seen smeding 10:44:31 <_42_> smeding, do I look like a mirror? ^_^ 10:44:36 <smeding> (and yes, i'm bored) 10:44:38 *** Ammler_ is now known as Ammler 10:46:16 *** SJ_Zero [BobtheButc@tpasmb01dc1-164-190.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #openttd 10:58:55 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-129.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 11:05:01 *** ChrisM87__ [~ChrisM@p54AC6EE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:09:27 *** ChrisM87_ [~ChrisM@p54AC75A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:04 *** SJ_Zero [BobtheButc@tpasmb01dc1-164-190.dynamic.mts.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:25 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 11:19:19 *** terje [~terje@vpn-22216.vpn-s.ntnu.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:31 *** PAStheLoD [~pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 11:19:52 *** terje [~terje@vpn-22216.vpn-s.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 11:26:55 *** Ajcon [~ajcon2@83.145.59.26] has joined #openttd 11:36:11 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:39:34 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 11:39:36 <Celestar> ... 11:39:58 <Celestar> having #openttd on another server than all my other channels is not helpful 11:40:00 <Celestar> hi btw :) 11:40:37 <ln-> hi 11:41:46 <Celestar> who miscoded vim :-/ 11:41:48 <Patrick`> you took a while. 11:42:07 <Sacro> LOL 11:42:54 <smeding> hi. 11:43:05 <Celestar> if (mch_stat((char *)fname, &st_old) == 0 && getuid() && !(st_old.st_uid == getuid() ? (st_old.st_mode & 0200) : (st_old.st_gid == getgid() ? (st_old.st_mode & 0020) : (st_old.st_mode & 0002)))) 11:43:11 <Celestar> I mean this is totally stupid 11:43:14 <Patrick`> jesus 11:43:40 <Celestar> one MIGHT think that if (access(fname, W_OK)) would do it :S 11:43:44 <Celestar> and it might ACTUALLY WORK 11:45:44 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@193.119.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 11:46:02 <smeding> holy crap. 11:46:15 <Tefad> who is that crazy coder 11:47:34 <Celestar> because that code will not work 11:47:44 <Celestar> for example if you have NFSv4 11:47:49 <Celestar> or if you have POSIX ACLs 11:48:23 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176114173.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:48:53 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-119-166.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:49:13 <Sacro> what does Need for speed have to do with it? 11:49:22 <Celestar> uh huh :P 11:49:36 <smeding> ;p 11:49:44 <JohnUK89> Lol 11:50:04 <Sacro> i think ive finished reading the internet :( 11:50:05 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:50:12 <smeding> ughhh 11:50:16 <JohnUK89> Sacro: impossible :) 11:50:20 *** Ammler [~Ammler@193.119.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:50:20 <smeding> school tomorrow 11:50:23 * smeding cries 11:50:35 <JohnUK89> Muahaha I don't go back till the 6th :P 11:50:37 * Sacro loads his rifle 11:50:46 <Sacro> IVE FINISHED :D 11:50:56 * Sacro sits and plays MiniIN 11:51:16 * JohnUK89 sits and plays 32bpp, because it plays ball with compiz :P 11:51:24 <Zaviori> You forgot to shoot it :s 11:51:25 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 11:51:41 <Sacro> Zaviori: im saving myself... 11:52:03 <JohnUK89> Flippin eck it takes 9 hops to get out of T-Mobile's network :S 11:52:12 <JohnUK89> No wonder I lag so bad 11:52:14 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:52:48 <Tefad> better than when i had BPL 11:52:54 <JohnUK89> BPL? 11:52:57 <Tefad> took me 15hops just to get to an external IP 11:53:02 <JohnUK89> Bloody ell 11:53:03 <Tefad> and my friend had 30hops! 11:53:10 <Zaviori> (: 11:53:22 <Tefad> my latency was about 50ms to the external IP, his was about 100ms 11:53:22 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:30 <JohnUK89> I'm at 20 hops to a server in London 11:53:33 <JohnUK89> 21... 11:53:34 <Tefad> not bad really, considering what the technology is 11:54:04 <JohnUK89> My latency to an external IP is about 400ms... 11:54:08 <JohnUK89> lol 11:54:12 <Tefad> this implementation of BPL basically hops 802.11 over the consumer powerline infrastructure 11:54:16 *** Ammler_eating [~Ammler@74-92.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 11:54:33 <JohnUK89> Tefad: aah, Broadband over Power Lines 11:54:37 <Tefad> a repeater every 300m basically (about 1/2 mile) 11:54:46 <JohnUK89> Didn't quite figure what the acronym was 11:55:02 <Tefad> i don't think the signal actually travels along the lines 11:55:12 <Tefad> but between them (between the poles) 11:55:22 <JohnUK89> Yeah 11:55:39 <Tefad> decent coverage on mountainous terrain 11:55:46 <JohnUK89> I'll be getting cable soon, so heh ^_^ 11:56:05 <Tefad> initial test area was 10km north of the substation, followed by another 10km south 11:56:21 <Tefad> (basically a radius) 11:56:21 *** Dred_furst [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:10 <JohnUK89> Yeah 11:57:33 <JohnUK89> Sounds like a good plan, but the leccy companies over here couldn't afford it 11:58:46 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 11:58:46 <JohnUK89> All those repeaters must be expensive (: 11:58:50 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [] 11:58:55 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@193.119.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:00:40 <Tefad> consumer level they're about 0 retail 12:00:51 <Tefad> they have ruggedized units. 12:00:55 <JohnUK89> Yeah 12:01:19 <Tefad> and with most units, there must be a giant power transformer next to it (lovely for RF signals eh?.. but 60Hz is quite different from 2.4GHz) 12:01:20 <JohnUK89> And if you think about how many power cables we have...entire country connected lol 12:01:43 <Tefad> there was an instance of a noisy capacitor bank screwing things up 12:01:50 <Tefad> took them two months to figure that one out 12:01:58 <JohnUK89> Oooh 12:02:19 <Patrick`> I hope you're not one of those freakin' weirdos who can only talk about the "caps" on their motherboard 12:02:23 <Tefad> (most loads are inductive.. the banks help balance out the power) 12:02:32 <JohnUK89> Patrick`: ? 12:02:37 <Tefad> Patrick`: does that help? 12:02:41 <Patrick`> don't get me started 12:03:03 <Tefad> i've taken an electronic circuits class and have been educated in three phase power 12:03:05 <Patrick`> these people convinced that by bloody desoldering factory-install p-recision components they can somehow overclock more 12:03:08 <Patrick`> or some bullshit like that 12:03:41 <JohnUK89> Patrick`: lmao 12:03:52 <Tefad> no, i'm talking about industrial sized capacitors for kilovoltage lines 12:03:57 <Patrick`> good, good. 12:04:14 <Tefad> they were probably just old. made RFI 12:04:17 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 12:04:36 <Celestar> hmpf 12:04:48 * Celestar goes sending reports to the vim guys 12:04:56 <Patrick`> wotnow 12:04:57 <Tefad> er? 12:05:01 <Tefad> you broke vim? 12:05:19 <Celestar> no 12:05:23 <Celestar> THEY broke vim 12:05:25 <JohnUK89> vim broke you? 12:05:32 <Celestar> 13:43 < Celestar> if (mch_stat((char *)fname, &st_old) == 0 && getuid() && !(st_old.st_uid == getuid() ? (st_old.st_mode & 0200) : (st_old.st_gid == getgid() ? (st_old.st_mode & 0020) : (st_old.st_mode & 0002)))) 12:06:00 <Tefad> that is vim code? 12:06:09 <Tefad> i thought you were pasting ottd code 12:06:44 <Tefad> inline ifs inside a condition is just asking for it. 12:07:42 <Celestar> Tefad: that is vim code 12:07:48 <Celestar> and it is faulty vim code 12:07:49 <Tefad> AAAH!! 12:08:09 <Celestar> it TRIES to find out whether I may write to fname 12:08:11 <Tefad> though when looking at a kernel driver, i found my fair share of gotos 12:09:41 <Patrick`> like, wtf? 12:09:47 <Patrick`> isn't there some simple syscall for that 12:09:53 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:09:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:10:08 <Patrick`> if (can_i_write_to(fname)) or something 12:10:10 <Tefad> Patrick`: if you've been in here for a while, scroll up ; ) 12:10:31 <Tefad> access(fname, .._OK) or something 12:10:35 <Patrick`> aye 12:10:37 <Patrick`> see it 12:10:46 <Tefad> if (access(fname, W_OK)) 12:11:07 <Tefad> eh decent memory for not dealing much with file i/o 12:11:37 <Tefad> (i tend to use ANSI.. and even then mostly stdin/out via scanf printf 12:12:13 <Tefad> and, i use care when reading strings.. scanf("%31s", pointer_to_32_bytes); 12:12:16 <Tefad> ) 12:15:20 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-202.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:24:30 <Celestar> Patrick`: there IS a simple call 12:24:33 <Celestar> as Tefad said 12:24:45 * Celestar is just send a bug report/fix to the vim guys 12:24:45 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-202.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:25:32 <Tron_> well, access() (and every other means to test if writing is possible, except trying it) has a race condition 12:25:44 *** Ammler_eating is now known as Ammler 12:25:49 <Celestar> well that check up there is stupid as fuck 12:27:13 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p5081BDB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:27:19 <AsterixMG> hi all 12:28:35 <AsterixMG> anyone around that can tell me a bit about the last 3000 or so svn-revisions? :P 12:28:40 <Celestar> hi AsterixMG 12:28:59 <AsterixMG> hi Celestar 12:29:32 <AsterixMG> what happened to cargo-packets? are they still alive? 12:32:19 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 12:33:11 *** terje_ [~terje@117.80-202-25.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 12:33:19 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has quit [Quit: Plugin Unloaded] 12:33:44 <Patrick`> personally I think that cargo should have information about the source *industry* 12:33:55 <Patrick`> so that payment is independant of where it was picked up by a station 12:34:33 <AsterixMG> Patrick`, i wanted to know if someone still works on cargopackets at all :) 12:34:33 <Patrick`> I remember the first time I laddered a station halfway across the map to get a 1-tile £100k journey 12:34:37 <Patrick`> hmm 12:34:46 <Patrick`> I have heard people rumbling about it 12:34:49 <Patrick`> anyway, gotta go 12:35:45 <AsterixMG> hmm, last change 5 months ago... doesn't seem like its worked on 12:35:52 *** terje [~terje@vpn-22216.vpn-s.ntnu.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:12 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 12:38:33 <JohnUK89> Yay dusl screen OTTD again! :P 12:38:36 <JohnUK89> dual* 12:41:34 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca21c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:41:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 12:41:46 <AsterixMG> hi Bjarni 12:42:09 <lws1984> morning Bjarni 12:42:35 <Bjarni> hi people 12:42:50 <JohnUK89> Bjarni: afternoon 12:43:01 <ln-> hi Bjarni person 12:43:25 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, can you tell me in short the major changes in the last 3000 or so svn-revisions? i'm too lazy to read them all :P 12:43:52 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:44:07 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: no :p 12:44:21 <Bjarni> I'm too lazy to read all of those as well 12:44:39 <AsterixMG> damn, i thought i found a victim ;) 12:45:00 <Bjarni> try to fool somebody else to fool into doing a boring task for you :p 12:45:19 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: you are a fool. Did you really think that you could fool me??? 12:45:23 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 12:45:27 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, i thought you might know them without looking them up :) 12:45:35 <Bjarni> ahh 12:45:40 <Bjarni> well 12:45:46 <AsterixMG> or don't you develop at the moment? 12:46:04 <Bjarni> 100 revisions ago is ages ago in my development 12:46:10 <AsterixMG> lol 12:46:24 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 12:46:31 *** exe [dgjk@83.2.70.89] has joined #openttd 12:46:40 <AsterixMG> well, i've seen that pbs is gone and some new pathfinder was added 12:46:57 <Bjarni> and a new map generator 12:47:09 <JohnUK89> The new map generator rocks :) 12:47:17 <ln-> Bjarni: i think mr. blackis is now in possession of a patch that uses Quartz for drawing the game window... 12:47:20 <Bjarni> and like 2500+ other commits 12:47:21 <AsterixMG> do you know what happened to cargo-packets? 12:47:29 <Bjarni> yeah 12:47:29 <AsterixMG> (branch) 12:47:30 <Bjarni> nothing 12:48:08 <Bjarni> ln-: nice. So there is a chance that we will get such a working patch within a week or so? 12:48:09 <AsterixMG> is it still considered or to be continued some time? 12:48:16 <Bjarni> yes 12:48:31 <Bjarni> the problem is that nobody dared to work on it or had time to do so 12:48:33 <Bjarni> or both 12:48:43 <AsterixMG> ah, ok :) 12:48:57 <Bjarni> Celestar worked on it and he is really out of time or something like that 12:49:14 <Celestar> I worked on what? :) 12:49:17 <AsterixMG> well, i was thinking about updating the stats-patch, which is really outdated now, too :) 12:49:25 <Bjarni> Celestar: cargo packages 12:49:30 <AsterixMG> Celestar, cargo-packets 12:49:33 <Bjarni> I think you did something to it ages ago 12:49:33 <ln-> Bjarni: at the time when i went to sleep last night, blackis said the patch is working ok in a window, and he's looking at some fullscreen issues... so it is quite possible that the patch is ready soon. 12:50:01 <Celestar> I did 12:50:11 <Celestar> I'll start over sometime 12:50:22 <Bjarni> ln-: nice. It reminds me of when I wanted to try to optimise fullscreen and the code worked way faster, but all I saw was a completely white screen 12:50:29 <Bjarni> no mouse pointer or anything 12:50:37 <Bjarni> I would call that a full screen issue ;) 12:50:41 <AsterixMG> Celestar, good to know its not completely gone :) 12:51:05 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:51:14 <Bjarni> Celestar: so how is real life? Is it worth the time you spent on it? 12:51:16 <Bjarni> :) 12:51:22 <Celestar> yes and no 12:51:30 <Celestar> Tron_: what's wrong with access() ? 12:51:43 <Tron_> it imposes a race condition 12:52:12 <Tron_> in the time the check was done and the real open() happens, the permissions can change 12:52:15 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:40 <Tron_> +between 12:52:56 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54:17 <Celestar> BAAAAHHHHH 12:54:28 <Celestar> users are FUCKING stupid 12:54:38 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 12:54:40 <Bjarni> I learned that years ago 12:54:59 <AsterixMG> that will never change ;) 12:55:17 <Bjarni> and two years of developing OpenTTD made me ready for everything... or so I thought, because then AlexFili showed up 12:55:24 <AsterixMG> but computers aren't any better :P 12:55:24 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56:13 <Triffid_Hunter> AsterixMG: heh at least computers have an excuse.. they're only designed to do exactly as they're told, no more, no less. 12:56:15 <ln-> who's AlexFili? 12:56:18 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 12:57:16 <Celestar> Tron_: ok but the current code here fails always for any users 12:57:18 <Bjarni> ln-: that's the guy, who installed SDL and could not get it to work. He messed with it for two hours before he even considered that he should move the header files in the precompiled SDL he downloaded 12:57:37 <CIA-2> miham * r6197 /trunk/lang/ (american.txt portuguese.txt): 12:57:37 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-08-28 14:57:10 12:57:37 <CIA-2> american - 10 fixed, 12 changed by WhiteRabbit (22) 12:57:37 <CIA-2> portuguese - 4 changed by izhirahider (4) 12:57:42 <Tron_> Celestar: why not just try to open()? 12:57:57 <Tron_> Celestar: that's the only safe way to know if it succeeds 12:58:02 <Bjarni> and he tried to run OpenTTD on 4 mb RAM and... I forgot the CPU, but if I recall correctly, it was questionable if TT could run on it 12:58:23 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 12:58:25 <AsterixMG> hmm, i've just seen my last stats-patch is r2709 :) 12:58:33 <Celestar> Tron_: offical method is to use access :) 12:58:36 *** Ammler [~Ammler@74-92.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:58:36 <Belugas> 'moring all 12:58:43 <Bjarni> hi Belugas 12:58:44 <Tron_> Celestar: official by whom? 12:59:09 <Celestar> ME >:) 12:59:13 <Tron_> SECURITY CONSIDERATIONS 12:59:13 <Tron_> The access() system call is a potential security hole due to race condi- 12:59:13 <Tron_> tions and should never be used. [...] 12:59:23 <AsterixMG> hi Belugas 13:01:35 <Celestar> Tron_: this is not in my access syscall 13:02:27 <Celestar> the problem is that uid and gid do not mean anything 13:03:18 <Tron_> Celestar: it's in the BSD access manpage of course (: 13:03:28 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:03:32 <Celestar> Tron_: I noticed 13:03:38 <Tron_> if uid and gid don't mean anything anyway then using access() achieves nothing 13:03:45 <Tron_> just open() the file 13:03:56 <Tron_> if it succeeds: good, use this descriptor 13:04:04 <Tron_> if it fails: there you got your error 13:04:55 <Celestar> because all the files are mapped to uid:gid 13:04:59 <Celestar> of nobody 13:05:11 <Tron_> ACL? 13:05:16 <Celestar> NFS4 13:05:18 <Celestar> with kerberos 13:05:32 <Tron_> use open(), everything else will fail 13:05:46 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 13:05:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 13:05:52 <Celestar> I wonder why the guys just don't open the file, and then see whether it worked :S 13:06:06 <Celestar> instead of this stupid crap up there 13:06:08 <Tron_> that's exactly what i'm telling over and over 13:06:23 <Celestar> yeah yeah 13:06:40 <Celestar> I'm waiting for my mailing list subscription to become active 13:06:57 <Tron_> <years later> 13:07:20 * Sacro looks at cargo-packets 13:07:25 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 13:07:44 <JohnUK89> Bah...stupid T-Mobile 13:07:55 <Darkvater> hiya 13:08:04 <Celestar> hi Darkvater 13:08:12 <JohnUK89> Darkvater: ello :) 13:12:02 <AsterixMG> hi Darkvater 13:12:09 <Darkvater> hi 13:13:17 <MeusH> hi Darkvater 13:13:35 <Celestar> hm 13:13:43 <MeusH> Darkvater, http://bugs.openttd.org/task/283 13:14:10 <Celestar> when I open the file as "write" will it fail immediately if I don't have write permissions or will it fail when the first write operation actually takes place? 13:14:18 <Darkvater> yeah, seen the mail 13:14:51 *** exe [dgjk@83.2.70.89] has left #openttd [] 13:15:30 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-202.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:26:59 *** JohnUK89_ [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 13:27:13 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by JohnUK89_))] 13:27:19 *** JohnUK89_ is now known as JohnUK89 13:28:22 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has quit [] 13:30:00 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 13:33:56 *** Ammler [~Ammler@74-92.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 13:35:07 <glx> JohnUK89: very stable connection today ;) 13:35:16 <JohnUK89> glx: tell me bout it :-\ 13:36:24 <JohnUK89> Does anyone know if there's a way to use custom resolutions under Xorg 7? 13:36:40 <JohnUK89> ie ones that aren't normally in xorg.conf 13:36:58 <JohnUK89> (And is possible ones not in the DDC specs either) 13:37:34 <JohnUK89> if* 13:44:01 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-202.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:44:19 <JohnUK89> Sacro: ello :) 13:45:09 <JohnUK89> Sacro: you any good with X configs? 13:45:33 <Sacro> JohnUK89: kinda 13:46:33 <JohnUK89> Sacro: I've got Xinerama working, and I was was wondering it I could use 1200x900 on my main monitor...to match the height (in pixels) of my other monitor (1440x900) 13:47:33 <JohnUK89> I tried editing xorg.conf to change the resolution to that, but it gets set at 1024x768 13:48:35 <JohnUK89> Yet if I try something completely stupid like 2048x1536 (which my monitor SHOULDN'T support) it works... 13:50:33 *** wonea [~wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:51:05 <wonea> is anyone having trouble installing grf files in mac os x? Not showing up in the game 13:51:33 <JohnUK89> wonea: have you updated openttd.cfg to show the grfs? 13:51:52 <Sacro> JohnUK89: not sure and i have to go out, sorry 13:51:57 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-202.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51:58 <lws1984> JohnUK89: you stole my line! 13:52:05 <JohnUK89> lws1984: hehe 13:52:29 <wonea> JohnUK89: didn't realise I had todo that! 13:52:38 <lws1984> wonea: good luck 13:52:49 <JohnUK89> wonea: anything more than the original data files you do 13:53:15 <JohnUK89> You need to add a [newgrf] section to openttd.cfg, and have the names of the grf files in that section 13:53:24 *** ChrisM87___ [~ChrisM@p54AC79B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:53:38 <wonea> oh, I thought openttd would be clever, and just scan the directory 13:53:39 * JohnUK89 will brb, gonna grab a plum from the tree 13:53:46 <JohnUK89> wonea: nope lol 13:53:53 <wonea> :-) 13:54:01 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Smeely smeely Singaporekid!] 13:54:49 <MeusH> I'm gonna check what's wrong with at ubuntu -___- 13:54:52 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 13:55:08 <wonea> I'll be glad when openttd has its own data files, then I can get my friends to play it 13:56:35 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75B6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:57:52 *** ChrisM87__ [~ChrisM@p54AC6EE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:54 <Bjarni> bbl 13:57:56 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca21c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:04:19 *** Dmitry [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:51 *** Guest56 [Gono@N806P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 14:07:42 <JohnUK89> Back but not lol got packing to do 14:09:38 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:56 *** JohnUK89 is now known as JohnUK89|Packing 14:12:40 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N821P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:06 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 14:15:10 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 14:22:46 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 14:22:53 <CIA-2> truelight * r6198 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: escape the / in grep, else mingw fails weirdly 14:26:08 *** real [~Narigo@anatol.fmi.uni-passau.de] has joined #openttd 14:26:32 <real> hi 14:27:14 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 14:30:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75341.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:11 *** wonea [~wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has left #openttd [Leaving] 14:31:27 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [] 14:31:48 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:34:50 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D4A1.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:35:42 <Trenskow> someone please delete task #217 14:35:50 <Trenskow> it's the same as 213 14:35:56 <Trenskow> but #213 is correct 14:36:02 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 14:36:04 <hylje> :E 14:37:31 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca21c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:37:32 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 14:39:05 <CIA-2> truelight * r6199 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: static lib-detection was broken (glx) 14:40:25 <TrueLight> Trenskow: then why did you made 2 of them in the first place? :P 14:40:37 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 14:40:37 <Bjarni> !logs 14:40:42 <Trenskow> TrueLight, I was young and naive 14:41:32 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D4A1.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:41:37 <Trenskow> silly question of the day... 14:41:50 <Trenskow> anyone knows a good place to buy mens belts ? 14:42:10 <Trenskow> Bjarni, mornings 14:42:11 <Bjarni> o_O 14:42:43 <Bjarni> Trenskow: you ask a channel full of people from other countries where to buy belts near you??? 14:43:07 <Tefad> maybe he means online? or a major retail store? 14:43:12 <Trenskow> Bjarni, I though people, and you, could figure I was talking about a netstore 14:43:23 <Trenskow> :) 14:43:27 <real> look at www.amazon.com ;) they are selling skirts without pictures, maybe they also have belts ;) 14:43:31 *** TronBSD [~tron@p54A3D5F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:43:38 <Trenskow> real, thx 14:43:47 <Trenskow> amazon.istheshit.net 14:43:57 <Bjarni> Trenskow: actually.... I have no idea where to buy belts 14:44:01 <Bjarni> online 14:44:15 <Trenskow> i tried ebay, but it's fake fake fake fake 14:44:29 <Trenskow> noone sells armani belt for .99 14:44:45 <Bjarni> Trenskow: ever walked outside into the real world 14:44:47 <Bjarni> ? 14:44:53 <Bjarni> I bet there are shops near you 14:45:05 <Trenskow> did it once. it wasn't a happy experience 14:45:10 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-202-211.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:45:48 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 14:45:49 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 14:45:50 <Bjarni> nobody told you to walk all the way to Voldsmose :P 14:45:57 <Trenskow> Bjarni, hehe 14:45:58 <Trenskow> :D 14:46:05 <Patrick`> mmm... meese 14:46:11 <MeusH> hello 14:46:12 <Trenskow> it's only about 1 km from here 14:46:30 <Trenskow> for all the rest of you (Voldsmose is Denmarks biggest ghetto) 14:46:33 * Bjarni was not thinking about distance 14:46:34 <MeusH> !seen sacro 14:46:36 <_42_> MeusH, Sacro (~ben@adsl-213-249-239-202.karoo.KCOM.COM) was last seen quitting #openttd 54 minutes ago (28.08. 13:51) stating "Remote host closed the connection" after spending 7 minutes there. 14:46:40 <MeusH> z?o 14:47:18 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc57.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:47:34 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 14:49:41 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F6B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50:05 <ln-> Bjarni: status report from mr. blackis: the windowed mode is now drawn with Quartz, but it is currently slower than the deprecated implementation. the fullscreen drawing has not been touched yet, it works like before. 14:51:01 <Bjarni> I think it's mainly (only?) window mode that got the deprecated issue 14:51:22 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [] 14:51:28 <Bjarni> but I haven't checked every single function 14:52:31 <CIA-2> truelight * r6200 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (Makefile.in config.lib configure): [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: don't lock config.cache when reconfiguring 14:53:22 <ln-> Bjarni: according to blackis, making the fullscreen use Quartz too would have the advantage of being able to switch away from it with apple+tab. 14:54:04 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@ACBD209A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 14:54:33 <ln-> Bjarni: he says that after his exam on wednesday he could look at fullscreen mode and optimizing. 14:54:59 <Bjarni> :D 14:55:03 <Darkvater> !seen TrueLight 14:55:04 <_42_> Darkvater, if you can't see TrueLight here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ 14:55:23 <Darkvater> OSX isn't using quartz for FS? 14:55:55 <Bjarni> not yet, but hopefully soon 14:56:17 <Darkvater> what is it using? SDL? 14:56:33 <Bjarni> no no no 14:56:42 <Bjarni> SDL was the buggy one 14:56:44 <ln-> (17:35:46) blackis: that was the only "mess" there 14:56:45 <ln-> (17:35:58) blackis: windowed mode used QuickDraw, fullscreen mode used CoreGraphics 14:57:36 <Bjarni> I never declared the cocoa video driver perfect, but it is better than SDL 14:57:44 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 14:58:40 <Darkvater> TrueLight: ping/pong 14:59:16 <TrueLight> Darkvater: good, that are 4 less things to type for me 14:59:30 <Darkvater> hehe 14:59:32 <Darkvater> PM? 14:59:38 <TrueLight> Coding Style Change: #endif // COMMENT isn't allowed 14:59:42 <TrueLight> #endif /* COMMENT */ is the way 14:59:49 <TrueLight> (some preprocessors complain about first) 15:00:00 <TrueLight> Darkvater: did I ever refuse you a PM? 15:00:06 <Darkvater> apparently 15:00:09 <Darkvater> 15:05 <Darkvater> morgen :) 15:00:15 <Darkvater> two hours ago 15:00:16 <TrueLight> Nah, I just ignore the one 2 hours ago 15:00:21 <TrueLight> you say goodmorning at 15:00 15:00:24 <TrueLight> that is just asking for an ignore :p 15:00:27 <TrueLight> (hehehehe :p) 15:00:36 <Darkvater> i 15:00:36 <Darkvater> d 15:00:37 <Darkvater> i 15:00:38 <Darkvater> o 15:00:40 <Darkvater> m 15:00:40 <hylje> :E 15:01:08 <Bjarni> beats saying goodmorning now 15:02:13 <Tefad> idiot. 15:02:23 <Bjarni> who? 15:02:34 <Tefad> my anus 15:03:05 <Bjarni> your anus is not into politics? 15:03:22 <Bjarni> then that means you can't be into politics 15:04:36 <Tefad> or bush 15:04:38 <Tefad> which ever 15:04:50 <lws1984> Buhs IS an anus 15:05:06 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc57.host2.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:05:13 <MeusH> youck, having bush in anus isn't nice feeling I think 15:05:21 <Born_Acorn> He anus would need to be into politics to be an idiot. :p 15:05:24 <MeusH> there are many worms on bush 15:05:37 <hylje> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=63.215425,110.039063&q=mianus&ie=UTF8&cid=37062500,-95677068,12660028553279392408&li=lmd&z=14&ll=41.033787,-73.630114&spn=0.059953,0.10746&om=1&iwloc=A 15:05:41 <hylje> speaking of anuses 15:05:47 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc57.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:05:51 <Born_Acorn> :O 15:06:12 <Bjarni> <Born_Acorn> He anus would need to be into politics to be an idiot. :p <-- moron. You can't even make up your mind. Idiot is Greek for a person, who don't care for politics 15:06:26 <Born_Acorn> I don't speak Greek. :p 15:06:39 <Bjarni> you just do it? 15:06:40 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred.furs@user-514f9383.l1.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:53 <Born_Acorn> I speak le Anglais. 15:07:04 * lws1984 speaks Geek 15:07:34 * Bjarni reminds lws1984 that leet is banned in this channel 15:07:50 <MeusH> ????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ???? 15:08:02 * Bjarni slaps MeusH 15:08:07 <lws1984> not leet, Geek! Geek is a language spoken by intelligent people who know that leet is evil. 15:08:10 * MeusH slaps greek chars 15:08:12 <hylje> AAAAAA A AAAA AAAA! 15:08:17 <Bjarni> speak decent in here 15:08:19 <Born_Acorn> It's like the sixties all over again! 15:08:30 * lws1984 reminds hylje that AAAAAAAAAAAAA is banned in this channel 15:08:46 <hylje> that wasnt AAAAAAAAAAAAA, but AAAAAAAAA! 15:08:48 * Bjarni adds a penalty point to hylje 15:08:54 <MeusH> ???r?? 15:08:57 *** hylje is now known as AAAAA 15:09:17 <lws1984> ACK! 15:09:23 *** AAAAA was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [AAA AAAAAA AAA AAAA AAAA AAAA] 15:09:24 <Born_Acorn> AAAAA! 15:09:27 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-149-253.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 15:09:28 <lws1984> Penalty, Bjarni? 15:09:30 *** AAAAA [hylje@194.187.214.214] has joined #openttd 15:09:31 * MeusH adds three penatly points to AAAAA (don't cheat hylje) 15:09:33 <lws1984> aha, there it IS AGAIN! 15:09:36 <AAAAA> AAAA? 15:09:40 <lws1984> ACK 15:09:43 <MeusH> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 15:09:43 <MeusH> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 15:09:43 <MeusH> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 15:09:47 <lws1984> SYN? 15:09:49 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has left #openttd [bye - leave] 15:09:50 <AAAAA> MeusH: interesting 15:09:52 <Born_Acorn> yikes. 15:09:55 <SpComb> hmm 15:09:57 <real> wtf? 15:10:02 *** AAAAA is now known as hylje 15:10:05 <Born_Acorn> All I'm seeing is AAAAAA. 15:10:17 <SpComb> Born_Acorn: your screen res is too small 15:10:21 <Born_Acorn> Unless thats the point, in which all I;m seeing is BNNNNN 15:10:24 <SpComb> well, you shouldn 15:10:36 <Patrick`> I will never regret my purchase of this duck-shaped codpeice 15:10:49 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] by Bjarni 15:10:59 <Born_Acorn> :o 15:11:09 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 15:11:10 <MeusH> A 15:11:17 *** MeusH was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [don't!] 15:11:21 <JohnUK89|Packing> :o 15:11:24 <JohnUK89|Packing> lol 15:11:25 <Patrick`> that doesn't make sense 15:11:29 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 15:11:30 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] by Bjarni 15:11:30 <Patrick`> how did he join if he was +b 15:11:35 <SpComb> Patrick`: ~ 15:11:35 <Patrick`> you missed the tilde 15:11:38 <Patrick`> zing 15:11:41 <Bjarni> I banned him incorrectly 15:11:47 <Patrick`> stupid brain-diff 15:11:54 <SpComb> vdiff 15:12:09 <Bjarni> MeusH: if you wants to be unbanned, then tell me 15:12:13 <Bjarni> in THIS channel 15:12:23 <Patrick`> you cruel magnificent bastard 15:12:34 <Born_Acorn> Lets ask MeusH embarassing questions to which we take his silence as a yes! 15:12:43 *** Bjarni was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [there, now you can talk to each other ^_^] 15:12:43 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca21c.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:12:44 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 15:12:48 <hylje> s/[B-Za-z0-9]/A/g 15:12:56 <Tefad> wtf 15:12:56 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: stillunknown] 15:12:57 <Darkvater> damn you autojoining bjarnics 15:13:12 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has left #openttd [] 15:13:14 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] by Bjarni 15:13:19 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] by Bjarni 15:13:19 <Tefad> hylje: you forgot whitespace 15:13:23 <Born_Acorn> heehee 15:13:30 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 15:13:35 <Patrick`> mm,AwhitespaceAisAawesome 15:13:38 <MeusH> sorry Bjarni 15:13:42 <Tefad> hah 15:13:52 <hylje> Tefad: AAAAAAAAA! is meant to be readable. 15:14:15 <Tefad> AAA AAAAA AAAAAA, AAAAAAAAAA AA AAAA AAA AA. 15:14:34 <JohnUK89|Packing> Grrrrr 15:14:35 *** Tefad was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [don't you start] 15:16:13 <Bjarni> hmm 15:16:21 <Bjarni> Tefad is not coming back 15:16:23 <Bjarni> and the channel died 15:16:31 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-149-253.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: muss wech] 15:16:33 <Bjarni> better idle than stupid 15:16:39 <Patrick`> agreed 15:16:49 <Patrick`> if you can't think of anything worthy to say ... 15:17:00 <JohnUK89|Packing> Don't say anything at all :) 15:17:18 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B8068F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:17:20 <hylje> you implying that AAAAAAAAA! isnt worthy of saying? 15:17:33 <JohnUK89|Packing> Yes :P 15:17:34 <Bjarni> JohnUK89|Packing: how can you be packing and at the computer at the same time? 15:17:39 <Patrick`> GOD YES 15:17:46 *** sayno [~sayno@c-24-9-79-69.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:50 <JohnUK89|Packing> Bjarni: I'm packing in the same room the computer is in 15:17:57 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:17:59 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.103] has joined #openttd 15:18:32 <Born_Acorn> Its obvious he's actually a spy from a brand spanking new yet to be announced Transport Game project. 15:18:34 <Bjarni> <hylje> you implying that AAAAAAAAA! isnt worthy of saying? 15:18:34 <Bjarni> <Patrick`> GOD YES 15:18:34 <Bjarni> --> sayno (~sayno@c-24-9-79-69.hsd1.co.comcast.net) has joined #openttd 15:18:39 <Bjarni> make up your mind 15:20:01 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 15:20:13 <sayno> What Bjarni ? 15:20:18 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81B46.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:51 <Bjarni> there was a question, then one said yes and then there was one, who "say no" 15:21:00 <hylje> lol 15:24:20 <UnderBuilder> I think that the ottd screenshots topic needs to be stickified 15:24:40 <Patrick`> it gets bumped so often 15:25:06 <UnderBuilder> but why then the scenarios one was stickified? 15:29:14 <Patrick`> because we needed some to include with the next release 15:29:20 <Patrick`> screenshots is just for fun 15:30:11 <UnderBuilder> and what about the ttdpatch one? 15:32:43 *** Progman [~progman@p5091CAA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:32:45 <Patrick`> what about it? 15:33:21 *** Floppy [~icechat5@ti221110a081-7563.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 15:35:28 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B80121.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:35:56 <UnderBuilder> why they have got one and not we? 15:36:48 <real> what is the benefit of buying a tile with the claim symbol? i can use a railroad for that and it is much cheaper? oO 15:37:17 <Patrick`> you can build right on top of it 15:37:21 <Patrick`> like stations and so on 15:37:35 <JohnUK89|Packing> real: it's useful if you want to, say, expand an airport and you don't fancy ripping a load of railway tracks up 15:37:42 <Patrick`> and also town roads can cross fails 15:37:44 <Patrick`> *rails 15:38:15 <JohnUK89|Packing> Patrick`: especially with the new diagonal crossings... 15:38:17 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B8068F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:51 <Trenskow> school is calling 15:38:51 <Trenskow> cya 15:38:55 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: http://iThought.dk/ ] 15:39:09 <JohnUK89|Packing> Ouch@school 15:39:34 <JohnUK89|Packing> I feel sorry for the Scots, they go back 2 weeks before us English kids 15:40:48 <real> well, its one click (the dynamite) more but costs like 1/4 of the claim... :\ why is that? 15:41:28 <JohnUK89|Packing> real: because there are disadvantages to just shovilg a rail there 15:41:32 <JohnUK89|Packing> shoving* 15:41:47 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 15:42:06 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2CB4B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:42:10 <JohnUK89|Packing> for example you pay maintenance on it :) 15:42:42 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B801E1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:42:52 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@ACBD209A.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:03 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:53 <real> and normally i get money back after using the dynamite on rails ;) 15:43:53 <real> (do i get money back, if i build a station on a claim?) 15:43:53 <real> hmm is it THAT much? ^^ 15:44:18 <JohnUK89|Packing> real: no, but buying the land saves a lot of hassle 15:45:30 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B80121.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:45:37 <Patrick`> it's for after money stops being an issue 15:45:55 <JohnUK89|Packing> Patrick`: which tends to be pretty quickly :P 15:46:35 <Trenskow> missed the bus 15:46:36 <Trenskow> :S 15:46:50 <JohnUK89|Packing> Trenskow: now that's not very good is it 15:46:50 *** real [~Narigo@anatol.fmi.uni-passau.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:08 <Trenskow> JohnUK89|Packing, no sir :S 15:47:10 <Trenskow> :) 15:47:22 *** real [~Narigo@anatol.fmi.uni-passau.de] has joined #openttd 15:47:54 <JohnUK89|Packing> Trenskow: do you promise to try harder tomorrow? 15:48:10 <Trenskow> JohnUK89|Packing, yes sir 15:48:17 <Trenskow> o_o" 15:48:20 <JohnUK89|Packing> Good lad :) 15:48:43 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:49:07 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2FF49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:31 <JohnUK89|Packing> Hmm downloading a 469MB file is gonna take me 2 days :-\ 15:49:58 <real> it looks like you have a faster connection than me ;) 15:50:12 <JohnUK89|Packing> real: what connection you got? 15:52:07 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:52:37 <JohnUK89|Packing> I can't wait till the 11th...lol 15:52:44 <real> im on a wlan which is linked to the university... then i have to tunnel my connection because of a very restrictive proxy... there are just too many things that 'might' happen to my connection... and they always do so i always get kicked -.- 15:52:49 <JohnUK89|Packing> I move, and then I get cable :P 15:53:04 <JohnUK89|Packing> real: eww 15:53:50 <JohnUK89|Packing> Aah that's more like it...1 day 19 hours 15:54:10 <real> ^^ 15:54:21 <JohnUK89|Packing> Anyway, while that downloads I'll do some packing 15:55:16 <JohnUK89|Packing> ^_^ 15:56:10 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@ACBD209A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 15:57:24 <lws1984> :o 15:57:35 *** terje [~terje@vpn-22268.vpn-s.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 16:00:19 <TrueLight> back! 16:01:57 *** xbddc [~xbddc@172-216.dorm.ncu.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:00 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B801E1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Don't give me logic, give me emotions!] 16:03:09 *** terje_ [~terje@117.80-202-25.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:51 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has left #openttd [http://iThought.dk/ ] 16:03:56 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 16:03:58 <FR^2> Hiho 16:04:24 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 16:04:45 <TrueLight> hi 16:05:08 * JohnUK89|Packing abandons download 16:05:15 <JohnUK89|Packing> Connection's too sucky :P 16:05:25 <TrueLight> get a new one :p 16:05:35 <JohnUK89|Packing> I am on the 11th lol 16:05:44 <TrueLight> still GRPS? 16:05:46 <TrueLight> GPRS 16:05:52 <JohnUK89|Packing> At the moment I am yeah 16:06:02 <TrueLight> (yeah yeah, I do pay attention :p) 16:06:15 <JohnUK89|Packing> I move on the 11th, and I'll be getting cable 16:06:58 <Maedhros> has anyone had much of a look at NewHouses support? 16:07:32 <CIA-2> truelight * r6201 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Add: add some more detail about zlib detection in config.log 16:07:39 <hylje> liek zomg 16:07:55 <TrueLight> hylje: you should really stop doing that :p 16:08:19 <hylje> :< 16:08:30 <TrueLight> pretty annoying, and nobody understands :p 16:08:41 <hylje> why do you think i overuse that 16:08:57 <TrueLight> you really want numbers? :) 16:09:34 <hylje> !calc 54! 16:09:35 <_42_> hylje: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 16:09:52 <hylje> anyway. that would have had some numbers 16:09:58 <JohnUK89|Packing> lmao 16:10:00 <JohnUK89|Packing> Doesn't know factorials :-D 16:10:15 <hylje> more like it couldnt handle something that big 16:10:38 <JohnUK89|Packing> lol 16:10:41 <JohnUK89|Packing> !calc 10! 16:10:43 <_42_> JohnUK89|Packing: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 16:10:47 <JohnUK89|Packing> See? 16:10:53 <hylje> ohh 16:11:00 *** exe [dgjk@83.2.70.89] has joined #openttd 16:11:02 <TrueLight> !calc define f(x) { if (x > 1) { return x * f(x - 1) } return(1) } f(54) 16:11:03 <_42_> TrueLight: (standard_in) 2: parse error;Runtime error (func=(main), adr=6): Function f not defined.; 16:11:10 <TrueLight> !calc define f(x) { if (x > 1) { return x * f(x - 1) } return(1) }; f(54) 16:11:13 <_42_> TrueLight: (standard_in) 2: parse error;Runtime error (func=(main), adr=6): Function f not defined.; 16:11:32 <TrueLight> !calc define f(x) { if (x > 1) { return (x * f(x - 1)) } return(1) }; f(54) 16:11:33 <_42_> TrueLight: (standard_in) 2: parse error;Runtime error (func=(main), adr=6): Function f not defined.; 16:11:34 <TrueLight> Oh well 16:11:38 <TrueLight> I suck in bc :) 16:11:55 *** stillunknown [~madman200@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 16:12:08 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.103] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 16:14:34 <Born_Acorn> Bjarni, Wagon Removal needs a Wagon Addition feature. :p 16:14:40 <Trenskow> JohnUK89|Packing, since you're on gprs, which contry are you living in ? 16:14:46 <Trenskow> here it's freakin expensive 16:14:47 <JohnUK89|Packing> Trenskow: UK 16:14:56 <Born_Acorn> I find all my trains now are smaller than my stations! 16:15:04 <JohnUK89|Packing> And it would be expensive...but *taps nose* ;-) 16:15:12 <Trenskow> here it's about 1 pound per mb (DK) 16:15:14 <Trenskow> ahh 16:15:16 <Trenskow> i see ;) 16:15:42 <real> 54! = 230,843,697,339,241,380,472,092,742,683,027,581,083,278,564,571, 16:15:42 <real> 807,941,132,288,000,000,000,000 16:15:57 <real> @ TrueLight 16:16:15 <JohnUK89|Packing> lmao 16:16:37 <Patrick`> !calc 54! 16:16:37 <_42_> Patrick`: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 16:18:22 <JohnUK89|Packing> Let's go the long way 16:19:25 <Patrick`> !calc 1*2*3*4*5*6*7*8*9*10*11*12*13*14*15*16*17*18*19*20*21*22*23*24*25*26*27*28*29*30*31*32*33*34*35*36*37*38*39*40*41*42*43*44*45*46*47*48*49*50*51*52*53*54 16:19:27 <_42_> Patrick`: 230843697339241380472092742683027581083278564571807941132288000000000000; 16:19:46 *** Floppy [~icechat5@ti221110a081-7563.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Say What?] 16:20:23 <JohnUK89|Packing> Patrick`: the 1* was redundant :-D 16:20:31 <Patrick`> I did it programatically 16:20:35 <Patrick`> (sue me) 16:20:39 <Patrick`> more effort to remove it 16:20:41 <JohnUK89|Packing> Nah lol 16:24:12 *** JohnUK89|Packing [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has quit [Quit: Plugin Unloaded] 16:25:14 *** xbddc [~xbddc@172-216.dorm.ncu.edu.tw] has joined #openttd 16:32:34 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 16:32:53 *** Tron_ [h801IlLq@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:33:45 *** real [~Narigo@anatol.fmi.uni-passau.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:09 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176126172.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:34:31 *** real [~Narigo@anatol.fmi.uni-passau.de] has joined #openttd 16:35:27 <real> hooray @ wireless :) 16:36:32 <TrueLight> t 16:36:35 <TrueLight> stupid t 16:36:36 <TrueLight> I hate t 16:37:06 <real> why? because its too near to the "r"? 16:37:15 <Kjetil> *ponders why nxclient require admin privs to install* 16:37:32 <Patrick`> because it does bizzare packet stuff 16:37:46 <Patrick`> oh, install 16:37:51 <TrueLight> Kjetil: I believe it doesn't... just a 'nx' user 16:37:56 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host254-236.pool874.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 16:38:13 <hylje> installing stuff generally needs admin 16:38:16 <TrueLight> and it needs /usr/NX :) 16:38:17 <Wolf01> hi 16:38:38 <TrueLight> hylje: mostly, yes :) but NX is very clean, all libs and shit goes in /usr/NX.. so if they are created, you in fact don't :) 16:38:38 <Kjetil> TrueLight: I was thinking of windows. It won't launch the installer without admin privs 16:38:45 <TrueLight> Ah, the client? 16:38:47 <Kjetil> yes 16:38:57 <TrueLight> I hate that tiny little fact yes 16:39:02 <TrueLight> an old client does install without rights 16:39:04 <TrueLight> but it doesn't work anymore 16:39:08 <TrueLight> the new clients don't 16:39:09 <TrueLight> really annoying 16:39:15 <TrueLight> tip: don't use it via windows :) Hehehehe 16:39:21 <Kjetil> It wined it on another box and copyed the files over. Didn't work 16:39:22 <TrueLight> I used cygwin to launch the linux client :p 16:39:33 <TrueLight> no, it really needs something in the reg I believe 16:39:35 <TrueLight> can't remember 16:39:36 <TrueLight> really silly 16:39:47 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176114173.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:40:09 <Kjetil> I could log on and select session but the X bit didn't work 16:41:29 <TrueLight> that is odddddd 16:41:31 <TrueLight> dunno :) 16:41:33 <TrueLight> rarely use windows :) 16:41:46 <TrueLight> there is no freenx-client 16:41:47 <TrueLight> that sucks :p 16:41:56 <Kjetil> All the terminals on the Uni. uses Windows 16:42:15 <TrueLight> here too, just one department doesn't.. so I am always there :p 16:42:24 <TrueLight> (astronomy department, you can't live without linux there :)) 16:42:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75341.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:00 *** sayno [~sayno@c-24-9-79-69.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:44:20 <Kjetil> hehe 16:48:47 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 16:56:59 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Wech...] 16:57:41 <CIA-2> truelight * r6202 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (Makefile.lang.in Makefile.src.in config.lib configure): 16:57:41 <CIA-2> [MakefileRewrite] -Codechange: moved around some code 16:57:41 <CIA-2> -Cleanup: it is SUPPRESS (double p) 16:57:41 <CIA-2> -Codechange: show if we suppress language error (and enable it when 'version' file exists) 16:58:07 *** webfreakz [~Ronald@195.73.147.226] has joined #openttd 16:58:31 *** ChrisM87____ [~ChrisM@p54AC76A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:40 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 17:00:53 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-238-83.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 17:01:56 *** terje [~terje@vpn-22268.vpn-s.ntnu.no] has quit [Quit: terje] 17:02:29 *** TronBSD is now known as Tron 17:02:57 *** ChrisM87___ [~ChrisM@p54AC79B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:13 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Lunch 17:12:04 <Tron> !seen alltaken 17:12:05 <_42_> Tron, Alltaken (~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net) was last seen quitting #openttd 2 days 6 hours 25 minutes ago (26.08. 10:46) stating "Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]" after spending 1 hour 55 minutes there. 17:17:02 *** lws|Lunch [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:48 *** wonea [~wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:21:03 *** sayno [~sayno@ppp-168-253-18-7.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has joined #openttd 17:22:49 <Bjarni> w = AllocateWindowDescFront(&_player_aircraft_desc, (order << 16) | (VEH_Aircraft << 11) | SHARE_FLAG); <-- any idea why that results in a window with window_number set to 0? 17:23:02 *** webfreakz [~Ronald@195.73.147.226] has left #openttd [] 17:23:15 <Bjarni> it's clearly NOT zero when calling 17:25:55 <Tron> some context would be helpful 17:26:16 <Bjarni> you can get the diff, but it's really messy right now 17:26:35 <Tron> well, do you want an answer or not? 17:27:33 * Tron adores his alpha blended tubular bridge 17:27:37 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/window_issue.diff 17:27:49 *** lws|Lunch [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:12 *** lws|Lunch is now known as lws1984 17:28:15 <Bjarni> PlayerVehWndProc always got window_number = 0, nomatter what I do 17:29:30 <Tron> which of them? 17:29:30 <Patrick`> find all the places where it gets set to 0, and set them to 1, 2, 3, etc 17:29:40 <Patrick`> to see which "int x = 0" is carrying over 17:29:51 <Patrick`> I dunno. It's what I'd do. 17:29:59 <AsterixMG> hmm, whats that (WEH_Aircraft << 11) for? 17:30:05 <Bjarni> <Tron> which of them? <-- it doesn't matter which of the windows I try to make, it fails on all of them 17:30:09 <AsterixMG> -W+V 17:30:33 <Bjarni> to tell that the window should draw aircrafts 17:31:15 <Tron> given that setting the window number is the last line before the return in AllocateWindowDescFront() i doubt that 17:31:16 <Bjarni> trying to unify the window handing function for the vehicle lists 17:31:42 <Tron> whatever 0 you're seeing, it's not the window_number 17:32:11 *** sayno [~sayno@ppp-168-253-18-7.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:32:35 <AsterixMG> hmm, didn't i do something like that for my stats-patch?... lets see :) 17:33:59 * Belugas wonders if Tron will extend the alpha blending to more then tubular bridges ;) 17:34:42 <Wolf01> uhm, i noticed it yesterday: why is not possible to rename buoys 17:35:19 <AsterixMG> hmm, no, seems i just called the windows for different vehicletypes :) 17:36:33 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-238-83.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: muss wech] 17:36:34 <AsterixMG> hmm, but it added something to window.h :/ 17:37:26 <Tron> Belugas: fighting with Gimp to get this single sprite an useable alpha channel was hard enough 17:38:36 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:39:37 *** xbddc [~xbddc@172-216.dorm.ncu.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B831D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:40:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:40:44 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, by the way, i would like to have an altered BuildVehicleList-function... that wasn't chenged yet, was it? 17:41:21 <Belugas> Tron : I believe you :) looks really cool, by the way3 17:41:29 <Bjarni> hmm 17:41:32 <Bjarni> found the reason 17:41:46 <MeusH> Tron: so you're working on alpha blending together with egladil? I belive I saw alpha blending images from egladil... 17:41:51 <MeusH> Bjarni: what's that? 17:41:52 <Bjarni> it calls WE_CREATE before the number is set 17:41:53 *** exe [dgjk@83.2.70.89] has left #openttd [] 17:43:46 <MeusH> I remember making my java game for mobile. It was crashing constantly on game start, so I put lots of System.out.println debug lines. About 50 strings to go to the console. Of course I tracked the bug, which was creating stuff before initializing the right values for it, but anyway, it was a hell to remove the debug commands :/ 17:46:02 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:46:15 <Triffid_Hunter> MeusH: that's why you put "if (DEBUG) " in your paste buffer when adding them, and #define DEBUG=1 at the top ;) 17:46:29 <Triffid_Hunter> or whatever the java equivs are 17:47:12 <MeusH> yep, that's right 17:47:21 <MeusH> since that moment I use if (debug) 17:47:42 <Triffid_Hunter> smart compiler won't even include the code for the debugs if the flag is constant and set to 0. 17:48:16 <Triffid_Hunter> so doesn't matter if they reference variables that no longer exist until next time you debug something ;) 17:48:50 <AsterixMG> Tron, when planning on getting it integrated into trunk, would you rather suggest to change the existing BuildVehicleList to my needs or add another function for it that fits my needs? 17:50:56 *** wonea [~wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:37 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@d197184.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:50 <Tron> MeusH: no, it's just a quick hack to test some things, basically it boils down to a single line: d[i] = ((d[i] & 0xFEFEFE) + (s[i] & 0xFEFEFE)) >> 1; 17:53:24 <Tron> Belugas: thanks, it's just a quick hack 17:54:00 *** Wolfy [~wolf@d197184.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:54:24 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.103] has joined #openttd 17:54:43 <MeusH> ohh, I see. So there is no png support yet? 17:54:57 <Tron> the bridge piece is a png 17:55:02 <MeusH> allright 17:55:04 <MeusH> thanks 17:55:06 <Tron> ftp://tron.homeunix.org/ottd/spr2563.png 17:55:55 <MeusH> ftp://tron.homeunix.org/ottd/BB.png <- wow, what's that? 17:56:15 <Tron> Bounding Boxes 17:56:42 <Tron> hence its name 17:56:44 <hylje> liek 17:58:04 <MeusH> yeah, but what are bounding boxes for in OpenTTD? 17:58:22 <Tron> sprite sorting 17:59:07 <Tron> there are lies, damn lies and OTTD bounding boxes 17:59:34 <Tron> try to find the BB of the tunnel entrances 17:59:45 <Bjarni> yes, now the windows draws correctly again :D 17:59:48 <Belugas> nice going Tron, Give us more "quick hack" like those ^_^ 17:59:50 <hylje> lies 17:59:52 <MeusH> ahh, I see what you mean :) I think 18:00:07 <Ammler> Hi someone of you knows the fallowing problem: openttd: rail_cmd.c:163: GetRailFoundation: Assertion `0' failed. 18:00:42 <MeusH> Tron: I'm intrested in ftp://tron.homeunix.org/MoO2/ I enjoyed this game. Are you making some kind of OpenMoO2? :) 18:01:42 <Tron> i just extracted some graphics, sound and music from the game data files 18:02:15 <Tron> if somebody is interested in taking this further, the source should be in that directory 18:03:41 <Wolf01> 6th feb 3930 O_O 18:03:50 <Wolf01> weird savegame 18:03:50 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: BYE] 18:04:32 <Tron> MeusH: please be careful with the big animated GIFs, i only have 20k/s upstream 18:05:06 <MeusH> Tron: yeah, I didn't touch them, I don't have a good downstream to download big gifs 18:05:34 <Tron> MeusH: btw: MoO2 runs fine in Wine 18:05:45 *** Progman [~progman@p5091CAA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:45 *** Osai^Kendo [~Osai@p54B35EC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^Kendo] 18:10:26 <Tron> Belugas: it's really just a quick hack, there even isn't a blitter for the smaller zoom levels and it only support 50% transparency 18:10:55 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 18:12:54 *** wonea [~wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:14:24 *** grimrc1 [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:14:47 *** real [~Narigo@anatol.fmi.uni-passau.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:35 *** real [~Narigo@anatol.fmi.uni-passau.de] has joined #openttd 18:22:31 *** Ajcon [~ajcon2@83.145.59.26] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24:35 <CIA-2> truelight * r6203 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: typo in --help (Rubidium) 18:29:17 *** Jerre [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:29:17 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:22 *** wonea [~wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:35:04 <Wolf01> is the forum down? 18:36:35 <Belugas> do we have a forum ??? 18:36:37 <Belugas> Cool! 18:36:38 <AsterixMG> hmm, would not be the first time today that its not reachable 18:37:16 <Wolf01> always when i try to post something? maybe my weird isp make it instable 18:37:23 <Wolf01> unstable 18:37:28 <AsterixMG> lol 18:37:52 <AsterixMG> well, can't connect currently 18:38:28 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-238-83.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 18:39:04 <ln-> "Enligt uppgifter till Expressen.se vid 19.30-tiden kan det ha inträffat en olycka i en kärnkraftsreaktor på Kolahalvön utanför Murmansk." 18:39:20 <AsterixMG> ?! 18:39:46 <Wolf01> ehm, in ital..english? 18:40:10 <MeusH> ln-, what does it mean? 18:40:14 <JohnUK89> In characters that are recogniseable to X? :P 18:40:15 <hylje> svenska 18:41:35 <Wolf01> the forum is back 18:42:02 <AsterixMG> Wolf01, no, i don't think it means that ;) 18:42:06 *** Jerre [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:42:29 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:42:40 <ln-> MeusH: according to Expressen.se, there's possibly been a nuclear reactor accident near Murmansk. 18:43:23 <hylje> poor lapland 18:44:58 <ln-> don't you people understand swedish? 18:45:14 *** terje [~terje@vpn-22257.vpn-s.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 18:45:16 <real> what is swedish? 18:45:23 <JohnUK89> ln-: considering most of us aren't swedish ourselves, no 18:46:21 <ln-> i'm not swedish either. 18:47:03 *** Progman [~progman@p5091CAA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:47:40 <grimrc1> we understand English though 18:47:41 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47:53 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:53:05 <CIA-2> rubidium * r6204 /trunk/ (56 files in 7 dirs): -Cleanup: replace non-indentation with spaces; like '}<TAB>else {' -> '} else {', tabs between code and comment, etc. 18:53:37 *** sayno [~sayno@ppp-168-253-18-7.den1.ip.ricochet.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:29 <MeusH> Darkvater: how's the tile measurement? 18:55:52 *** Mucht [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: I'll be back!] 19:00:16 *** Mucht [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 19:03:03 <izhirahider> Is there somewhere downloadable the game that generates OpenTTD main menu? 19:03:06 <Tron> Rubidium: i see somebody has been toying too much with grep (; 19:03:27 <Tron> izhirahider: data/opntitle.dat, it's a normal savegame 19:04:01 *** Progman [~progman@p5091CAA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04:01 <JohnUK89> Not much happens outside what you see on the main screen though :) 19:04:11 <Rubidium> Tron: this one is relatively small ;) 19:04:24 <Tron> yep, it's just a big fake 19:05:03 <izhirahider> Tron, thanks 19:05:32 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:13 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 19:07:17 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 19:11:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:21:14 *** jonty-comp [jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:22:16 <grimrc1> 107 views and no replies - openttd screensaver topic on forum - that's about 11 minutes per viewing 19:26:25 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org] 19:26:26 <Patrick`> you'll be frustrated at how many good ideas never capture the public opinion 19:26:38 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:52 <Patrick`> unless you deliver a fully-functional and entertaining end-product, people just won't bother 19:27:01 <hylje> tru 19:27:05 <Patrick`> remember also that ottd cpu usage is roughly a function of screen area (ish) 19:27:23 <Patrick`> so a fullscreen screensaver will burn a lot of cycles compared to, say, flying toasters 19:28:27 <hylje> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamest_Edit_Wars_in_Wikipedia 19:28:36 <Patrick`> magnificent 19:29:26 <hylje> note that the warning icon is named Laff_alert.svg 19:33:47 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:34:46 <grimrc1> I think the patch is pretty clean and nice too 19:35:02 <Bjarni> "Shockingly, there are multiple locations in the United States with the name "Devil's Lake." A very heated war broke out here regarding which one should be featured, whether a disambig page was needed, even over the usage of the apostrophe- eventually literally degenerating into "my lake is better than yours!"" <-- ROFL 19:36:10 <hylje> comedy gold there 19:37:08 <grimrc1> I can't seem to find any wikipedia usage stats - that'd be interesting 19:38:38 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:51:06 <grimrc1> hah that's funny about Germans fighting over the esset 19:52:09 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 19:53:48 <MeusH> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Roodog2k-ivan-and-boxer.JPG lol 19:57:44 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC4D2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:01 <grimrc1> jah - the 'feces' one - should it include a picture of a large, human turd - lol 19:58:15 <hylje> meta-lameness is the win 19:58:31 <Patrick`> meta-meta-lamesss 20:00:21 *** ChrisM87____ [~ChrisM@p54AC76A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:51 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B35EC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:04 *** Mucht [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: I'll be back!] 20:07:41 *** Mucht [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 20:10:32 *** PAStheLoD [~pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:42 *** jonty-comp [jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:59 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 20:33:15 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: goodnight!] 20:37:14 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-20-7.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:38:23 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-226-60.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:40:54 <ln-> http://crap.kind-of-blue.net/browse/2006/08/27/sandwich.png (safe for work) 20:43:01 <TrueLight> lol ln- :) 20:45:40 <Patrick`> bahaha, I've had ln on ignore the whole time 20:47:02 <TrueLight> not that you missed anything :p 20:48:19 <Kjetil> old :P I saw it .. 24 minutes ago :P 20:49:49 <Bjarni> ln-: LOL 20:50:28 <Bjarni> Kjetil: jokes age THAT fast in Norway? 20:50:38 <Sacro> ln-: thanks, i needed that 20:50:42 * Bjarni just decided not to go to Norway 20:50:51 <Bjarni> I might age too quickly 20:51:05 <WolfAngel> Bjarni it's because of the thin air... it's a problem in Denmark too 20:51:15 * Sacro wonders about shoving it in #ubuntu 20:51:18 <Bjarni> it is? 20:51:24 <Bjarni> I never noticed? 20:51:28 <WolfAngel> yup ^^... 20:52:20 <Kjetil> Bjarni: And water turns to wine in a matter of hours 20:52:37 <Bjarni> ... 20:52:44 <WolfAngel> ... A good skill for long parties... 20:52:54 <Bjarni> I thought Norway turned water into electricity 20:53:24 <WolfAngel> That's what they make you think... 20:53:38 <WolfAngel> You're still plugged in... 20:53:43 <Kjetil> using water for electricity is just a coverup 20:53:44 <grimrc1> Jez; cleanlier is a word!? 20:54:22 <WolfAngel> grimrc1 : it's a combination of 9 letters 20:54:31 <grimrc1> and cleanliest! 20:54:37 <grimrc1> and I'm English! 20:54:49 <WolfAngel> ^^ 20:55:01 <WolfAngel> and I'm Danish! 20:55:21 <grimrc1> oh I'm sorry (joke) 20:55:35 <WolfAngel> riioooggghhttt... 20:55:44 <Patrick`> I'm England! 20:55:51 <WolfAngel> you're trying to steal my beacon!! all of you! 20:55:52 * Bjarni gangs up on grimrc1 together with WolfAngel 20:56:10 * Bjarni steps on Patrick` 20:56:10 <WolfAngel> beacon... that seems wrong?... 20:56:18 <Patrick`> mm, bacon 20:56:23 <Patrick`> salty pig flesh 20:56:24 <WolfAngel> there it was ^^ 20:56:44 <Bjarni> beacon is not really the same as bacon ;) 20:57:18 <WolfAngel> ... my point... 20:57:33 <Bjarni> is there a point to this? 20:57:36 <Bjarni> oh 20:57:37 <Bjarni> yeah 20:57:40 <WolfAngel> not at all ^^ 20:57:44 <Bjarni> . <-- the point 20:57:55 <WolfAngel> . <-- the dot 20:58:12 <Bjarni> you missed the point 20:58:34 <Kjetil> . <- DOTT 20:58:47 <WolfAngel> ... i'll just end my line with a ";" then...; 20:58:51 <Bjarni> no, I don't want to time travel today 20:58:57 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B831D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:46 <real> Parse Error near "then...;" - expecting more information. 20:59:53 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.103] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 21:00:08 <WolfAngel> ... chatzilla... omg 21:00:13 <WolfAngel> ^^ sound cool 21:00:14 <Sacro> :o http://crap.kind-of-blue.net/browse/2006/08/18/russian%2520dolls.jpg 21:00:16 <WolfAngel> sounds* 21:00:20 <Patrick`> mmm# 21:00:21 <Sacro> probably NFSW 21:00:46 <grimrc1> heh 21:00:48 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81125.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:00:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:01:11 <WolfAngel> why haven't I got voice ^^... 21:01:23 * WolfAngel is talking without a voice... 21:01:27 <grimrc1> shame it has to be a chickboy 21:01:43 <WolfAngel> something like that requires skills ^^... 21:02:17 <grimrc1> or is it? I can't tell actually 21:02:21 <Bjarni> <WolfAngel> why haven't I got voice ^^... <-- because I got the remote and I hit the mute button whenever you say something 21:02:40 <WolfAngel> ... darn 21:02:50 * WolfAngel gets muted by Bjarni 21:03:03 <Bjarni> then you can code a whole lot faster :D 21:03:14 <WolfAngel> ^^ allways 21:03:25 <Bjarni> so what are you coding now? 21:03:44 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 21:03:45 <WolfAngel> ... well right now nothing ^^... 21:03:52 * Sacro considers either YAPS or cargo-packet 21:03:54 <WolfAngel> normaly... php ^^ 21:04:08 <Bjarni> I meant for OpenTTD 21:04:09 <Kjetil> Starring Bjarni as agent Smith and WolfAngel as Neo/Mr. Anderson "What good is a phonecall if you are unable to speak?" 21:04:21 <Bjarni> :P 21:04:33 <WolfAngel> the ones you have with the persons you don't like... 21:04:40 <Sacro> ROFL http://crap.kind-of-blue.net/browse/2006/08/08/pointers.png 21:04:49 <WolfAngel> If you haven't got anything good to say... STFU 21:04:50 <WolfAngel> ^^ 21:05:04 <Bjarni> Sacro: ROFL 21:05:28 <Born_Acorn> Rolf! 21:05:35 <Kjetil> hahaha 21:05:56 <Bjarni> well, he did as he was asked and it was wrong anyway... cruel world :P 21:06:09 <Sacro> hehe http://crap.kind-of-blue.net/browse/2006/08/25/sin_equation.gif 21:06:24 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:06:31 <Belugas_Gone> nighty night all 21:06:40 <WolfAngel> yeah... 21:06:46 <WolfAngel> sure thing Belugas_Gone ^^ 21:07:02 <Sacro> night Belugas_Gone 21:07:19 <Patrick`> south park is far too preachy 21:07:23 <Patrick`> watching the election episode 21:07:35 <Bjarni> instead of coding??? 21:07:49 * WolfAngel thinks that maybe the girlfriend kinda was trying to tell him something with the... "Come with me to bed" thing... 21:07:53 <WolfAngel> but hey... 21:08:00 <WolfAngel> girlfriend or IRC... 21:08:10 <Kjetil> irc ! 21:08:12 <grimrc1> true about southpark; it could be worse though 21:08:17 <WolfAngel> YEAH! ^^ 21:08:26 <Kjetil> WolfAngel: don't you have a laptop /sextop ? 21:08:40 <smeding> IRC ftw 21:08:42 <WolfAngel> ^^ 21:08:53 <WolfAngel> nope Kjetil ... 21:09:27 <Sacro> hehe, doggy and put the laptop on her back 21:09:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81125.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:34 <Kjetil> dang.. then you gotta stay here 21:09:45 <WolfAngel> yeah... ^^ 21:09:48 <WolfAngel> 4ever! 21:09:49 <WolfAngel> ^^ 21:10:00 <Sacro> ROFL http://crap.kind-of-blue.net/browse/2006/07/31/loud_bang.png 21:10:19 <smeding> buhhh.. 21:10:27 <smeding> school starts tomorrow! 21:10:28 * smeding dies 21:10:31 <Sacro> hehhehe http://crap.kind-of-blue.net/browse/2006/07/31/kermit_xray.png 21:10:33 <WolfAngel> you nailed that one aye?... 21:10:46 <Sacro> WolfAngel: aye 21:11:08 <WolfAngel> [23:10] Sacro: ROFL http://crap.kind-of-blue.net/browse/2006/07/31/loud_bang.png 21:11:09 <WolfAngel> ^^ 21:11:23 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B355BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:27 <Sacro> oh this site is amazing 21:11:36 <WolfAngel> øhøm... not 21:11:48 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B35EC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Osai^2))] 21:11:53 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 21:12:07 <WolfAngel> oh noo... 21:12:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81256.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:12:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:12:21 <WolfAngel> Osai got killed!... by NickServ!! 21:12:28 <Kjetil> Murderer ! 21:12:36 * WolfAngel faints 21:12:43 <Osai> No I am alive =) 21:12:55 <WolfAngel> [23:12] ·· Osai (~Osai@p54B35EC1.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Osai^2))) 21:12:58 <WolfAngel> oh nooo... 21:13:03 <WolfAngel> I can hear dead people... 21:13:08 <Osai> =) 21:13:10 <Sacro> i spy a n00b 21:13:16 <Kjetil> A murderer impersonating the deceased 21:13:23 <WolfAngel> Sacro get away from that mirror 21:13:36 <Sacro> http://crap.kind-of-blue.net/browse/2006/07/31/schrodinger.jpg 21:14:13 * WolfAngel will got to bed now... 21:14:18 <WolfAngel> sleep well guys... 21:14:42 <WolfAngel> code safely... don't drink and code... 21:15:00 <Bjarni> some of the code looks like that might be the case 21:15:04 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:12 <WolfAngel> you allways end up with parse errors... 21:15:24 <Bjarni> no, that's not what I meant 21:15:25 <smeding> i've never really looked into the OpenTTD source code anyway 21:15:25 <WolfAngel> just look at Windows... 21:15:27 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 21:15:38 <smeding> i can never look at large projects if i didn't at least help make them 21:15:41 <grimrc1> hi JohnUK89 21:15:57 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: ello 21:16:00 <Bjarni> STR_0198_PROFIT_THIS_YEAR_LAST_YEAR <-- drawing this string in the vehicle windows.... it got a different x,y for each vehicle type 21:16:15 <WolfAngel> ^^ 21:16:19 <WolfAngel> nn 21:16:34 <grimrc1> gn 21:16:45 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: <!--#Exec cmd='Quit'-->] 21:17:44 <JohnUK89> Hmm, would it be better for me to install VMWare Player or QEMU+KQEMU? 21:18:20 <Patrick`> vmware 21:18:25 <Patrick`> let's be honest, it's faster. 21:18:33 <Patrick`> and qemu are sellouts anyway 21:18:38 <JohnUK89> Patrick`: fair point lol 21:18:47 <Patrick`> since they have a for-money closed source "accelerator" 21:19:11 * JohnUK89 prepares for 36MB download 21:19:23 <smeding> dum dum DUUUUUUMMMM 21:19:25 <Patrick`> which means that the OSS version won't ever get that good 21:19:37 <JohnUK89> I already have a VMWare disk image and such 21:19:43 <Triffid_Hunter> Patrick`: it converts qemu from an emulator to a virtualiser.. if you want open source virtualisation, use xen ;) 21:19:46 <JohnUK89> So I'll reuse that :P 21:20:13 <Patrick`> yes, but you can't use xen to run windows in a, um, window 21:20:15 <Patrick`> :P 21:20:15 <JohnUK89> Xen can't run Windows without kickass CPU's 21:20:53 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-226-60.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:53 <Darkvater> 19:27 * Tron adores his alpha blended tubular bridge << amen \o/ 21:21:04 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-226-60.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:21:07 <JohnUK89> All hail Tron! *bows* 21:21:36 <smeding> i want a lot of money so i can make a Beowulf cluster with 5.25" slot embedded PCs just 'cause. 21:21:41 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@ACBD209A.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:43 <smeding> in a CoolerMaster Stacker too. 21:21:49 <Triffid_Hunter> is alpha blending new to openttd or something? 21:22:00 <JohnUK89> Triffid_Hunter: yes :P 21:22:24 <Sacro> and round i go 21:22:34 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:22:42 <Triffid_Hunter> oh 21:22:48 <JohnUK89> Sacro: ello ;-) 21:23:01 <Sacro> JohnUK89: hi 21:23:55 <JohnUK89> Ooh I just got 1337 bytes a second on a download lol 21:24:07 <JohnUK89> And yes I'm sad :P 21:24:38 <Sacro> hmm 21:26:10 <Patrick`> that's awfully slow 21:26:14 <Patrick`> I top out at 1337 kb 21:26:19 <JohnUK89> Patrick`: yeah :-\ 21:26:24 <Patrick`> bytes, that is 21:26:24 <Patrick`> :D 21:27:03 <JohnUK89> In a couple of weeks I should get closer to 500kB meself...hopefully more if I can tempt me dad into 10Mb 21:27:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76669.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:27:57 <JohnUK89> And I won't have me connection arsing about for 5 minutes connecting either 21:28:27 <Patrick`> mmm 21:28:56 <grimrc1> higher data rates are a bit overrated 21:29:28 <grimrc1> unless you'll be maxing out your connection I suppose 21:29:33 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: not when you have several transfers on the go, or you have access to a 100Mb server that only 10 people download off :P 21:29:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i wouldn't have cared about higher data rates, if there only would be ISDN flatrates 21:30:14 <JohnUK89> Eddi|zuHause: lol 21:30:35 <Eddi|zuHause> no, really... 21:30:44 <JohnUK89> One of my mates has 10Mb, and I was in shock when I saw it maxing out at 1.25MB... 21:30:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't care if the download takes 3 days 21:30:57 <grimrc1> JohnUK89: now you understand why though? 21:31:11 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: understand what? 21:31:20 <grimrc1> why 10Mb/s = 1.25MB/s 21:31:21 <Sacro> heh, i max mine out around 375KB/s 21:31:28 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: I always have... 21:31:38 <grimrc1> oh ok 21:31:46 <Eddi|zuHause> since ISDN i have evolved to 45KB/s 21:31:49 <JohnUK89> But I'd never seen that speed in action 21:31:49 <grimrc1> so it was just shocking to see 1.25MB/s 21:31:57 <Eddi|zuHause> which i rarely max out 21:32:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but it IS a flatrate 21:32:18 <JohnUK89> This 10Mb is flatrate :P 21:32:19 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:32:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host254-236.pool874.interbusiness.it] has quit [Quit: e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro] 21:32:28 <grimrc1> flatrate means no GB/month charges? 21:32:34 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: yeah] 21:32:35 <JohnUK89> -[ 21:32:39 <JohnUK89> -] too 21:32:41 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC4D2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:51 <grimrc1> those charges are lame 21:33:03 <JohnUK89> grimrc1: yeah, I really hate ISP's that impose them 21:33:14 * JohnUK89 curses BT 21:33:41 <Eddi|zuHause> well... you usually don't care about traffic limits of 3? GB per month, unless you do filesharing ;) 21:33:52 <JohnUK89> Eddi|zuHause: *koff* 21:34:52 <Eddi|zuHause> that being said, i have an average throughput of like 20GB per month ;) 21:34:53 <Sacro> :( we're going up to 8MB/s soon 21:34:57 * JohnUK89 strokes his multiple BitTorrent clients 21:35:21 <Sacro> but am limited to 50GB/month during the hours of 19-00 21:35:54 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of strange limit is that? 21:35:58 <JohnUK89> Sacro: 50GB isn't too bad...it's the poor buggers on 2GB that need worrying about 21:36:11 <Sacro> JohnUK89: heh, yeah, Karoo offer that 21:36:27 <JohnUK89> So do Orange, and TalkTalk 21:36:33 <Sacro> 1GB a month, with a speed of 8MB/s :D 21:36:37 <JohnUK89> LOL! 21:36:40 <Sacro> i make that 2 minutes flat out 21:36:41 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 21:36:56 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [:---O] 21:37:01 <JohnUK89> Sacro: about 17 minutes flat lol 21:37:30 <JohnUK89> NTL don't complain unless you hit something stupid like a terabyte 21:38:40 <Eddi|zuHause> one of my friends once had traffic problems due to teamspeak ;) 21:38:52 <JohnUK89> Eddi|zuHause: ewww nasty 21:38:59 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-226-60.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:39:00 <JohnUK89> TeamSpeak transfers NOWT lol 21:39:04 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-226-60.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:39:16 <JohnUK89> Sacro: hot your limit? :P 21:39:19 <JohnUK89> hit* 21:39:40 <Sacro> JohnUK89: nope, laptops fugged 21:39:45 <JohnUK89> Lol 21:39:53 <JohnUK89> I'll have it if you want rid ;-) 21:39:56 <Sacro> im on 2.5Mb uncapped 21:39:59 <Sacro> yeah, can do 21:40:06 <Sacro> ill see if ican kick it your way 21:40:27 <Eddi|zuHause> from t'ull to t'leeds? 21:40:37 <JohnUK89> Sacro: If you fancy paying for postage send it me...I'll have a use for it :) 21:40:46 <JohnUK89> The use being Sixth Form work :) 21:40:47 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: its just ull :P nice try though 21:40:51 <JohnUK89> (Oh and OTTD) 21:40:52 <Sacro> from ull t'leeds 21:41:06 <Sacro> it wont run windows though 21:41:08 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, ok... i am still in a learning state ;) 21:41:10 <JohnUK89> Aye, 'ull is in 'umberside 21:41:16 <Sacro> NOOO 21:41:24 <JohnUK89> :P 21:41:30 <Sacro> UMBERSIDE ASN'T EXISTED IN OVER 10 YEARS 21:41:44 <Sacro> desipte what the royal mail say 21:41:50 <JohnUK89> Still 'umberside 21:41:57 <Sacro> not since 1/6/96 21:42:00 *** real [~Narigo@anatol.fmi.uni-passau.de] has left #openttd [] 21:42:07 <JohnUK89> It's at t'side of t'umber 21:42:08 <Darkvater> any html/css gurus here? 21:42:26 <JohnUK89> So it's 'umberside :P 21:42:26 <Sacro> Darkvater: yeah 21:42:53 <Sacro> that reminds me, need to re-upload stuff 21:43:04 <Darkvater> Sacro: http://darkvater.openttd.org/Untitled-1.html << how do I center this? 21:43:10 <Darkvater> the "ICE doing stuff...' text 21:43:20 <JohnUK89> Sacro: fancy making me a website for free? :) 21:44:04 <Sacro> .box_text { font-align: center } 21:44:14 <Darkvater> font-align? 21:44:16 <Sacro> JohnUK89: why? 21:44:25 <JohnUK89> Because I want one :P 21:44:28 <Maedhros> text-align, surely? 21:45:02 <Sacro> Maedhros: ah yes :) silly me 21:45:14 <Sacro> Darkvater: text-align 21:45:17 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:22 <Sacro> or <center></center> 21:45:22 <Darkvater> doesn't work 21:45:24 <Darkvater> (refresh) 21:45:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81256.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 21:46:04 <Darkvater> ah, center works outside of div 21:46:10 * Darkvater hits himselfin the head 21:46:17 <JohnUK89> lmao 21:46:25 <Darkvater> thanks Sacro 21:46:30 <Sacro> Darkvater: your welcome :) 21:46:42 <JohnUK89> Darkvater: why not make him do it all? :P 21:47:22 <Darkvater> hehe 21:49:08 <Sacro> mmm, sexy http://www.benwoodward.me.uk/rooms4u/ 21:49:16 * Sacro huggles his curvy corners 21:49:22 <JohnUK89> lol 21:49:50 <JohnUK89> Sacro: you're meant to hug women, not corners :) 21:50:49 <Bjarni> I'm done unifying the controller functions for the vehicle list windows :D 21:50:51 <Bjarni> now it's only one function for all vehicle types 21:50:53 <Bjarni> Darkvater: feel like reading a diff? 21:51:24 <Darkvater> you're a funny man bjarni 21:51:31 <Bjarni> I know :) 21:51:44 <JohnUK89> Bjarni: nice one :) 21:51:54 <Bjarni> <JohnUK89> Sacro: you're meant to hug women, not corners :) <-- maybe it's some sort of fetish 21:51:54 <JohnUK89> Now if only I could patch stuff :P 21:52:01 <Darkvater> judging from the description it's not fit for this time for me 21:52:03 <JohnUK89> Bjarni: maybe lol 21:56:21 <Sacro> Bjarni: you dont wanna know 21:59:02 *** gaz [gaz@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #openttd 21:59:17 <JohnUK89> Is there any way to tell wget never to completely give up (ie use as many retries as it takes to get a file)? 21:59:24 <Sacro> JohnUK89: us 21:59:26 <Sacro> *yes 21:59:38 <JohnUK89> Oooh 22:00:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@cpc2-bror5-0-0-cust228.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:01:11 <Sacro> --tries=inf 22:01:20 <JohnUK89> Okies :) 22:01:38 <JohnUK89> My connection has a history of killing downloads randomly lol 22:02:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@cpc2-bror5-0-0-cust228.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:19 <Darkvater> can anyone in an MP game check if you can give someone 1USD? 22:03:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@cpc2-bror5-0-0-cust228.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:05:38 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:05:39 *** PAStheLoD [~pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 22:07:27 *** Guest56 [Gono@N723P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 22:10:19 <JohnUK89> I suppose I'll go to bed early tonight 22:10:25 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-226-60.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:45 <grimrc1> Sacro: you're working on Rooms4U? I was thinking of making a dynamic website for rentals - those rental agencies are arseholes who don't do anything for the extortionate amount of commission they want - they sit in an office and use bits of paper to file stuff, when they could just be replaced by a database 22:10:55 <grimrc1> shit he's gone 22:12:19 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N806P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:51 <JohnUK89> Night all :) 22:12:56 <JohnUK89> /nigh JohnUK89|Bed 22:13:00 <JohnUK89> DAMNIT! 22:13:01 <JohnUK89> LOL! 22:13:09 *** JohnUK89 is now known as JohnUK89|Bed 22:13:13 <JohnUK89|Bed> :P 22:13:24 <Bjarni> ok, you are sleepy ;) 22:13:40 <Bjarni> hi Brianetta 22:13:44 <JohnUK89|Bed> Yeah :-\ 22:13:47 * JohnUK89|Bed buggers off 22:14:13 <Brianetta> hiya 22:14:28 <Bjarni> Brianetta: I committed the shared orders list 22:15:21 <Bjarni> and control-click goto depot for service only 22:15:47 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 22:16:08 <Bjarni> actually I thought of you when I wrote them 22:16:22 <Bjarni> not only you, but you as well. I think you might like them 22:16:51 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 22:17:49 <Bjarni> and I guess you will like another one as well that I got in progress... "send all vehicles in list to depot" 22:18:16 <grimrc1> Bjarni: why don't you use CIA to declare commits? 22:18:39 <Bjarni> I do 22:18:46 <Bjarni> but Brianetta have been away 22:18:48 <grimrc1> ohhh 22:18:56 <Bjarni> and I would like to see what he says :) 22:19:12 <Darkvater> he means 22:19:17 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 6000 22:19:19 <_42_> Commit by miham :: r6000 /trunk/lang/ (5 files) (2006-08-20 18:43:43 UTC) 22:19:21 <_42_> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-08-20 20:43:15 22:19:23 <_42_> danish - 24 fixed, 1 changed by Bjarni (25) 22:19:25 <_42_> hungarian - 2 fixed by miham (2) 22:19:27 <_42_> polish - 2 fixed, 3 changed by meush (5) 22:19:29 <_42_> portuguese - 3 fixed by izhirahider (3) 22:19:31 <_42_> (...) (truncated) 22:19:37 <Bjarni> ahh 22:19:43 <Darkvater> I think 22:19:49 <Darkvater> but it's late 22:19:53 <Darkvater> so I say you goodnight :) 22:19:58 <JohnUK89|Bed> Is it me or is TGP in trunk slow? 22:20:00 <Bjarni> !openttd commit 6161 22:20:01 <_42_> Commit by bjarni :: r6161 /trunk/ (10 files in 2 dirs) (2006-08-26 22:28:40 UTC) 22:20:03 <_42_> -Feature: List of vehicles with the same shared orders 22:20:05 <_42_> the list is available in the orders window and looks like the list buttons from the station windows (small vehicle) 22:20:07 <_42_> The button is disabled if the vehicle do not have any shared orders or it got shared orders, but an empty order list 22:20:09 <_42_> based on a patch by nycom, thought it ended up getting heavily modified 22:20:10 <JohnUK89|Bed> (one last thing before I sleep) 22:20:11 <_42_> Thanks to TrueLight for proofreading and suggestions 22:20:21 <Bjarni> !openttd commit 6165 22:20:23 <_42_> Commit by bjarni :: r6165 /trunk/ (9 files in 2 dirs) (2006-08-27 09:28:52 UTC) 22:20:25 <_42_> -Feature: control click Goto Depot will now make the vehicle service 22:20:27 <_42_> at the depot and leave right away. 22:20:29 <_42_> To tell the difference the status of stopping vehicles will be in red, 22:20:31 <_42_> while servicing vehicles will be green. 22:20:33 <glx> JohnUK89|Bed: what do you mean by slow? 22:20:33 <_42_> -Codechange: remove some dead code in CmdSendAircraftToHangar() since it is 22:20:35 <_42_> (...) (truncated) 22:20:49 <Bjarni> it was truncated? :P 22:20:53 <JohnUK89|Bed> glx: I mean it takes ages to generate, even a 256x256 map 22:21:21 <JohnUK89|Bed> (I'm using r6195) 22:21:22 <Bjarni> JohnUK89|Bed: maybe on your 66 MHz CPU, but not really here 22:21:25 <glx> hilly, arctic and lot of industries ? 22:21:27 <grimrc1> hah 22:21:31 <Bjarni> well, it IS slow in debug builds 22:21:52 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-238-83.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:02 * Bjarni got the feeling that Brianetta left again 22:22:19 <JohnUK89|Bed> Bjarni: debugging's on by default? DAMN! 22:22:41 <Bjarni> no it's not 22:23:02 <JohnUK89|Bed> Bjarni: hmm, I didn't turn it on... 22:23:55 <glx> JohnUK89|Bed: what settings are you using for TGP? 22:23:59 <grimrc1> shouldn't readelf command be able to find out how openttd was compiled? I think mine's stripped though 22:24:26 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, send all vehicles in list to depot? which list do you mean for that? 22:24:27 <JohnUK89|Bed> glx: Improved tree algoritm, very flat, very smooth, very low sea level 22:24:28 <Bjarni> release builds are automatically stripped 22:24:43 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: the shared orders one 22:24:53 <Bjarni> at least as a start 22:25:04 <JohnUK89|Bed> It's pretty much instant on the same settings in MiniIN r6134 22:25:17 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, ah, ok... but you didn't make a function to get all vehicles for a station yet? 22:25:39 <glx> JohnUK89|Bed: map type and number of industries/towns ? 22:25:42 <JohnUK89|Bed> Normal towns, High industries 22:25:46 <JohnUK89|Bed> Temperate map 22:25:54 <grimrc1> JohnUK89|Bed: maybe the generation has slowed a little; can't be sure 22:26:00 <Bjarni> first I need to unify the window handling function (done, just needs proofreading) so I don't have to write such a patch for each vehicle type 22:26:25 <JohnUK89|Bed> grimrc1: stuff a little, it's gone up by over 120x 22:26:29 <Bjarni> then I can take care of such issues 22:26:37 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, i wrote a BuildVehicleList function for my stats-patch some time ago 22:26:55 <grimrc1> there's that random new game thing that I'm using now 22:27:00 <Bjarni> what is that stats patch that you keep talking about? 22:27:14 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, its VERY old ;) 22:27:15 <Bjarni> I'm can't say I remember it :/ 22:27:19 <glx> JohnUK89|Bed: it's not slow for me (same settings, 256*256 map) 22:27:29 <JohnUK89|Bed> glx, what rev? 22:27:31 <glx> JohnUK89|Bed: and I have a 233MHz comp 22:27:37 <glx> r6204 22:27:48 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=19105 22:28:17 <AsterixMG> i've been away for over 3000 svn-revisions :) 22:28:45 <Bjarni> ahh that one 22:29:12 <Bjarni> <AsterixMG> i've been away for over 3000 svn-revisions :) <-- sounds like a long time 22:29:12 <grimrc1> that little truck icon shows shared orders? 22:29:18 <Bjarni> did you go to jail or something? 22:29:29 <Bjarni> grimrc1: yes 22:29:30 <JohnUK89|Bed> glx: I'm gonna try r6204 myself 22:29:35 <Bjarni> as the tooltips should say 22:29:38 <AsterixMG> i had other things occupying me :) 22:29:53 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: ahh we understand 22:29:57 <Bjarni> you found a girlfriend 22:30:40 <grimrc1> I click and depot is in red, control-click and in green, but the other bus just keeps loading 22:30:59 <AsterixMG> is it worth the effort to try get the vehicle list working, and if so, what would you like it to be like? 22:31:15 <Bjarni> hmm 22:31:29 <AsterixMG> (well, it was working back then ;) ) 22:31:56 <AsterixMG> and if i do it, should i replace the current one or add another function? 22:32:15 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: well, keep it on hold for a few days since I'm moving the function and your patch will clash big time with that ;) 22:32:26 * Bjarni is still trying to make sense of what grimrc1 said 22:33:02 <AsterixMG> hmm, yeah, good question :) 22:33:30 <grimrc1> should ctrl-click make both go to depot? 22:33:36 <Bjarni> no 22:33:44 <grimrc1> oh it's a fast stop 22:33:46 <Bjarni> that patch is only on my HD and is not ready yet 22:33:57 <grimrc1> in and out quickly? 22:34:04 <Bjarni> control click will make the vehicle leave instantly again 22:34:09 <Bjarni> useful for autoreplace 22:34:11 <grimrc1> cool 22:34:25 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, ok, then i will wait some time, cause this time i want to split the patch and possibly get at least some parts integrated in the trunk :) 22:34:29 <Bjarni> click and forget about the vehicle. It will handle the rest on it's own 22:34:33 <grimrc1> is the shared order list new too? 22:34:36 <Bjarni> no need to kick them out of the depot anymore 22:34:47 <JohnUK89|Bed> Hmm still slow on r6204... 22:35:32 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: yeah, make small patches. Huge diff files are so... huge and boring to read and keep track of, so it keeps getting postponed until they are outdated 22:35:40 <Bjarni> we don't want that, but it happens anyway 22:35:48 <grimrc1> ohhh there's a slight bug: clicking goto, then click delete to delete and order, then you can't click on goto to cancel the goto mouse setting; have to press escape or close the order window 22:36:16 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, yeah, it was too big back then, so now i'm looking what i need first, before i can do things :) 22:36:25 *** terje [~terje@vpn-22257.vpn-s.ntnu.no] has quit [Quit: terje] 22:36:27 <Bjarni> grimrc1: I didn't really get that bug 22:36:31 <glx> JohnUK89|Bed: 15s on my machine, I don't call that slow 22:37:03 <JohnUK89|Bed> glx: I think it's isolated to my machine 22:37:07 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 22:37:39 <Bjarni> !openttd commit 6161 22:37:39 <grimrc1> have some orders in the order list, click goto and the mouse changes, then click on an order and click delete (mouse cursor is still in goto mode) - now you can't click on goto to cancel goto mode; you're stuck with a goto cursor until you close the orders window or press ESC 22:37:40 <_42_> Commit by bjarni :: r6161 /trunk/ (10 files in 2 dirs) (2006-08-26 22:28:40 UTC) 22:37:42 <_42_> -Feature: List of vehicles with the same shared orders 22:37:44 <_42_> the list is available in the orders window and looks like the list buttons from the station windows (small vehicle) 22:37:45 <JohnUK89|Bed> What's wierd is MiniIN doesn't do it 22:37:46 <_42_> The button is disabled if the vehicle do not have any shared orders or it got shared orders, but an empty order list 22:37:48 <_42_> based on a patch by nycom, thought it ended up getting heavily modified 22:37:50 <_42_> Thanks to TrueLight for proofreading and suggestions 22:38:01 <Bjarni> 2006-08-26 <-- yeah, I would call it new ;) 22:39:26 <JohnUK89|Bed> It takes about a second flat on MiniIN to generate a map, but a good few minutes on trunk...can't explain it :S 22:39:39 <glx> same seed and settings? 22:39:55 <Bjarni> grimrc1: odd, it works here 22:39:59 <JohnUK89|Bed> glx: I haven't tried same seed 22:40:11 <Bjarni> it's still in goto mode and I clicked a station and it got added 22:40:24 <grimrc1> Bjarni: I mean you can't click goto button to cancel goto mode 22:40:38 <grimrc1> it's nothing to do with your patch 22:40:53 <Bjarni> ahh 22:40:54 <Bjarni> yeah 22:40:57 <Bjarni> now I see it 22:41:00 <Bjarni> post a bug report 22:41:00 <JohnUK89|Bed> glx: just tried same seed, exhibiting same effects 22:41:05 <Bjarni> or I will forget :p 22:41:15 <grimrc1> Bjarni: I'll look in to making a patch now 22:41:25 <Bjarni> even better :) 22:41:40 <glx> JohnUK89|Bed: same effects as slower with trunk? 22:42:02 <JohnUK89|Bed> Yeah, MUCH slower 22:42:38 <glx> but you get the same map in the 2 version I hope 22:43:06 <JohnUK89|Bed> Gimme 5 minutes and I'll tell you :P 22:43:36 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@ACBD209A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 22:43:40 <JohnUK89|Bed> generating now 22:44:05 <JohnUK89|Bed> (well, has been for near on a minute now) 22:44:09 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 22:45:36 <JohnUK89|Bed> It appears to be the same, still geberating though 22:45:43 <JohnUK89|Bed> generating* 22:45:45 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Dinner.] 22:47:26 <JohnUK89|Bed> Ack 22:47:29 <JohnUK89|Bed> Different map 22:47:47 <JohnUK89|Bed> Hmm 22:47:55 <JohnUK89|Bed> Actually 22:47:59 <JohnUK89|Bed> Same physical map 22:48:04 <JohnUK89|Bed> Just the towns in different places 22:48:42 <glx> hmm so something different happens for town generation 22:48:45 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-226-60.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:48:49 <AsterixMG> ok, going to bed now, good night @all 22:48:51 <JohnUK89|Bed> Yeah 22:49:03 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p5081BDB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:49:40 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 22:50:11 <JohnUK89|Bed> Hmm 22:50:21 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/65051 <-- hehe 22:50:32 <JohnUK89|Bed> It's the rocky areas, towns and industries that take their time 22:50:42 <JohnUK89|Bed> Not the landscape generation 22:51:37 <JohnUK89|Bed> Cracked it :) 22:51:50 <JohnUK89|Bed> Progress Update Interval :P 22:51:51 <glx> Bjarni: nice :) 22:52:08 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> cation.oftc.net quits: Born_Acorn, dp-, Gonozal_VIII, Zr40, @Belugas_Gone, Sacro, Brianetta, Ammler, grimrc1 22:52:16 <JohnUK89|Bed> ^eww 22:52:23 <Bjarni> reminds me of a teacher I once had. He told that he was colourblind and at one time while he was a child he should decorate his classroom together with another colourblind child. They got a box of colour and drew on the blackboard. When everybody else returned, they just stared at what turned out to be a blue christmas tree. They thought it was green :D 22:52:27 *** Netsplit over, joins: Sacro, Born_Acorn, Gonozal_VIII, Brianetta, grimrc1, dp-, Zr40, Ammler, @Belugas_Gone 22:52:27 <Sacro> :o hedgehog 22:52:29 <XeryusTC> well, there's your network stability :D 22:52:32 <Sacro> wtf 22:53:00 <Born_Acorn> wow. Not even Freenode was that bad. :p 22:53:24 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: oh it was 22:53:28 <Sacro> quakenet was too for a while 22:53:30 <Bjarni> it really was 22:53:41 <JohnUK89|Bed> glx: in the patch settings put progress interval timer to 0ms, see what happens when you generate 22:53:49 <Bjarni> and it was horrible due to other issues 22:54:04 <JohnUK89|Bed> update interval* 22:54:34 <JohnUK89|Bed> Would be nice if the person responsible would make the minimum 100ms :) 22:54:41 <glx> JohnUK89|Bed: yeah refreshing screen is slow as hell 22:55:04 <JohnUK89|Bed> glx: that was the problem 22:55:05 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/62320 <-- LOL 22:55:32 <glx> why set the minimum to 100? If someone want to see *all* steps, it's his choice 22:55:44 <glx> nobody force you to set it to 0 :) 22:55:58 <JohnUK89|Bed> glx: I didn't know what it did :) 22:58:12 <glx> Bjarni: LOL 22:58:46 <JohnUK89|Bed> Hmm, interestingly any value under 34 slows down the generation like mad, anything from 34 up it goes normal speed 22:58:47 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D4A1.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:58:52 <JohnUK89|Bed> (for me that is) 22:59:02 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@74-92.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 22:59:10 <glx> it mainly depends on CPU speed I think 22:59:30 <JohnUK89|Bed> Yeah 22:59:50 <JohnUK89|Bed> But it's strange how 1ms too low can slow it down to a snails pace 23:00:21 <Sacro> hmm, im reckoning that im moving out in the next 24 horus 23:00:25 <JohnUK89|Bed> From pretty much instant... 23:00:36 <JohnUK89|Bed> Sacro: annoyed that much? 23:00:42 <Sacro> JohnUK89|Bed: i wish my mum was dead 23:00:51 <Bjarni> o_O 23:00:55 <JohnUK89|Bed> Sacro: oh :S 23:01:05 <JohnUK89|Bed> I feel like that with my dad pretty often 23:01:06 <glx> JohnUK89|Bed: not really, it depends on how much time the refreshing takes 23:01:14 <Bjarni> Sacro: why? 23:01:19 <JohnUK89|Bed> glx: true 23:01:50 <Sacro> Bjarni: she never ever respects me, or does anything for herself, or lets me finish what im doing when she wants somethign doing 23:02:02 <JohnUK89|Bed> When me dad gets on the drink he's an absolute tw*t 23:02:03 <Rubidium> JohnUK89|Bed: if a refresh takes 2ms, the next time the progress is incremented the screen is redrawn, instead after like 500 progress increments 23:02:09 <Bjarni> JohnUK89|Bed: try to set the refresh rate up (or down) so you say only get one update each sec to free more CPU power to the actual map generation 23:02:32 <JohnUK89|Bed> Rubidium: aah 23:02:37 <grimrc1> it'd be nice to have a console command to do it 23:02:49 <Bjarni> Sacro: is that why you dropped out of school? 23:03:05 <Bjarni> she never let you finish what you are doing? 23:03:10 <JohnUK89|Bed> Bjarni: done that now :) update timer is at 1000ms 23:03:30 <Bjarni> JohnUK89|Bed: now check to see if it increase speed a whole lot 23:03:44 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: night] 23:03:48 <Bjarni> if the screen update updates too often, it will eat all the CPU power 23:03:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@cpc2-bror5-0-0-cust228.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 23:04:02 <Bjarni> at least in theory. I didn't test it ;) 23:04:02 <grimrc1> Sacro: how bad is it really? the way you said it makes it sound almost trivial, but I know people can have real personality problems (my Dad a bit) that are almost intolerable 23:04:06 <Sacro> Bjarni: yes, i had to drop out the first time cos i couldnt do any work 23:04:15 *** Ammler [~Ammler@74-92.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:17 <JohnUK89|Bed> Bjarni: I just tested it :P 23:04:22 *** Ammler_ is now known as Ammler 23:04:22 <Sacro> grimrc1: i left 5 years ago and swore i'd never move back 23:04:35 <Rubidium> and if the update interval is shorter than the time needed to redraw, it will show every single step of the generation process 23:04:35 <Sacro> now im paying £30 a week to get treat worse 23:04:50 <JohnUK89|Bed> Rubidium: yeah that's what I got 23:05:06 <JohnUK89|Bed> Right, need sleep 23:05:09 <JohnUK89|Bed> Night :) 23:05:22 <grimrc1> Sacro: really sorry; your Mum might have a slight health problem? 23:05:25 <Rubidium> the map generation seems to be fast, but that is only because it does not increment progress 23:05:27 <glx> night JohnUK89|Bed 23:05:42 <Sacro> grimrc1: yes, she keeps breathing 23:05:46 <grimrc1> heh 23:06:00 <Sacro> i am clinically depressed, and its all down to her 23:06:50 <grimrc1> Sacro: it's tough - don't know what you can do :o( 23:07:09 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:46 * Bjarni notes that he should limit Sacro's access to guns, knifes and so on 23:07:55 <Sacro> grimrc1: hoping to rent somewhere tommorow 23:07:59 <grimrc1> Sacro: my parents are doctors and they've both been treated for depression for a short period of time, but I'm pretty sure it's hormonal problems (both probably); I tested borderline hypothyroid (genetic obviously) - doctor was an asshole though so I haven't been to a new one yet (will do really soon though) 23:08:00 <Sacro> Bjarni: im considering it 23:08:33 <Sacro> grimrc1: im supposed to be on antidepressants, but ive stopped taking them due to the fact that getting rid of my mum is the only proper cure 23:09:18 <grimrc1> Sacro: are you sure it's only being around *her* that causes it? 23:09:21 <Bjarni> Sacro: it ain't worth it. It's far better just to move far away 23:09:43 <Bjarni> Sacro: how does Australia sound? 23:10:09 <Bjarni> They speak English (or at least somewhat close to English) and is far away 23:10:09 <Sacro> grimrc1: yes, im so much calmer and better when i dont see her 23:10:37 <Sacro> Bjarni: i have no passport 23:10:41 <Bjarni> get one 23:10:46 <Sacro> cant afford it 23:10:48 <Born_Acorn> One of my lymph nodes has swollen! Argh! 23:10:51 <grimrc1> it's cheaper to get one now 23:10:53 *** PAStheLoD [~pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )] 23:10:58 <Sacro> plus i'd only be there for 3 months before i get sent home 23:11:17 <Bjarni> then find somewhere else 23:11:32 <grimrc1> Sacro: do you have more family that can help with your Mum? sounds like she needs treatment 23:11:43 <Sacro> i can rent somewhere, but it'd be £15 a month more, and i'd have to buy my own food as well 23:11:44 <Bjarni> live somewhere in GB with an unlisted address and unlisted phone number and don't tell your mom where it is 23:11:54 <Sacro> grimrc1: i dont see my family much 23:12:05 <grimrc1> Sacro: has she pushed them away? 23:12:21 <Sacro> grimrc1: they all think its just me with the problem 23:12:49 <grimrc1> Sacro: harsh; still, do you reckon one of them would put you up for a while? they'd see you're not the problem 23:13:15 <Bjarni> <Sacro> grimrc1: they all think its just me with the problem <-- and you proof them right if you harm your own family 23:13:31 <Sacro> grimrc1: nope, nobody local 23:13:39 <Sacro> Bjarni: not my own family, just her 23:13:42 <grimrc1> Sacro: :o( what will you do? 23:14:14 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... this KDE update was possibly a bad idea... :( 23:14:18 <Sacro> grimrc1: well i stand a good chance of getting sectioned 23:14:33 <grimrc1> Sacro: !? how?? 23:14:38 <Bjarni> what's sectioned? 23:14:42 *** Ammler [~Ammler@74-92.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:14:43 <Born_Acorn> It sounds bad! 23:15:02 <grimrc1> British health law stuff to take you to a hospital without your auth 23:15:10 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:15:11 <grimrc1> authorisation 23:15:28 <Bjarni> ahh 23:15:39 <grimrc1> usually mental health 23:15:57 <Bjarni> I know how it works (more or less), just not the word 23:16:07 <grimrc1> the UK law has become more draconian (New Labour type thing) 23:17:05 <Bjarni> Sacro: look at the bright side. They will pay for food and housing 23:17:58 <Bjarni> and you are sure that they will keep you for years if you harm anybody (they don't care who) 23:18:44 <Sacro> grimrc1: you can get yourself sectioned 23:18:56 <grimrc1> Sacro: I'm sure you can 23:19:44 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:19:55 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:20:00 <lws1984> .remo 23:20:03 <lws1984> err.. HEH? 23:20:11 <Born_Acorn> lws1984! 23:20:15 <lws1984> Born_Acorn! 23:20:35 <grimrc1> harming your mother wouldn't help; if people have problems that cause you problems, you can rest assured their problems cause *them* problems too 23:20:46 <Bjarni> Sacro: you should consider carefully what you do. Doing something wrong can spoil the rest of your life even if you might think that it feels right now 23:20:53 <grimrc1> as in, they suffer themselves from their own problems 23:20:55 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 23:20:55 <lws1984> !logs 23:21:51 <Bjarni> Sacro: she will win over you twice if you do it since first is the past, and the second time is the future where you are not free to move 23:22:24 <Bjarni> think about not letting her win again 23:24:09 <Sacro> i want to move out, start my company, and never see or hear about her again 23:24:57 <Bjarni> that can be possible, but only if you keep your criminal record clean 23:25:13 <Sacro> it isnt currently 23:26:45 <Bjarni> hmm 23:27:11 <Bjarni> I meant clean of serious stuff 23:27:27 <Bjarni> stuff that can result in jailtime 23:28:49 <grimrc1> it's true: killing or seriously harming your Mum would really harm your own life 23:29:17 <Sacro> i want to leave the country and never come back 23:29:28 <Bjarni> sending yourself to jail will make her win over you due to the harm it will do to yourself 23:29:30 <grimrc1> Sacro: why do you have to go that far? 23:29:40 <Bjarni> don't let her win 23:29:45 <Sacro> grimrc1: because i dont see another way 23:29:45 <Born_Acorn> The UK is big enough. 23:30:02 <grimrc1> your own town is big enough; it's harder to move further 23:30:05 <Bjarni> Sacro: then figure out a way to move to Australia 23:30:19 <Bjarni> it should be possible if you want to work and earn money 23:30:26 <grimrc1> even if you want to leave, you can leave in steps 23:30:59 <Bjarni> but they might kick you out if you only live on social security, so figuring out how to earn a living is an important step 23:31:33 <Sacro> Bjarni: i know, but i was better living on social security than here 23:31:54 <Bjarni> why did you even move back? 23:32:34 <Sacro> Bjarni: im not sure 23:32:41 <Sacro> my flat got trashed 3 times 23:32:53 <Bjarni> how? 23:32:54 <Sacro> but i was going to get moved to somewhere else 23:33:05 <Sacro> broken into, door kicked in, stuff trashed 23:33:05 <Bjarni> they demolished the building? 23:33:10 <Bjarni> ahh 23:33:10 <Sacro> just the door 23:33:36 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:43 <Bjarni> bad neighbourhood, I guess 23:33:56 <Bjarni> London West End? 23:34:23 <JohnUK89|Bed> Hull, near the outskirts? 23:34:34 <Born_Acorn> 99% of anywhere with "Flats" in the UK is a bad neighbourhood. :p 23:35:02 <Sacro> JohnUK89|Bed: flat, north hull 23:35:42 <JohnUK89|Bed> How's I guess 23:35:44 <Bjarni> move far away from Hull, specially since I take your mom lives near that place 23:35:46 <JohnUK89|Bed> :P 23:35:54 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:35:55 <JohnUK89|Bed> Couldn't sleep lol 23:36:04 <glx> lol 23:37:33 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Away 23:38:00 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:38:59 <Sacro> Bjarni: well, bout 5 miles north 23:39:07 <Sacro> but i have work in Hull 23:39:42 <Bjarni> forget about work. You have to move so far away that you have to quit your job 23:39:55 <Sacro> but its not that easy 23:40:42 <JohnUK89|Bed> Sacro: the way I see it, you HAVE to move out, and as far away as you can, or you run the risk of making life a misery for yourself 23:40:52 <Bjarni> I never said that it would be easy 23:40:56 <Bjarni> right now 23:41:03 <Bjarni> but it will be best in the long run 23:41:09 <Sacro> JohnUK89|Bed: but i dont really know anywhere else, apart from York, and Sunderland area 23:41:20 <Sacro> i have no qualifications, no job experience 23:41:24 <Bjarni> the long run would be all the time after you moved 23:41:38 <JohnUK89|Bed> Sacro: well do it in several stages...noone said it had to be one big fowl swoop 23:41:45 <JohnUK89|Bed> fell* 23:41:47 <JohnUK89|Bed> lol 23:42:45 <Sacro> i dont even know how/what the stages are 23:42:57 * Bjarni wonders if there could be somebody from the authorities, that Sacro could talk to and seek advice 23:43:10 <JohnUK89|Bed> Sacro: how old are you again? 23:43:13 <Sacro> JohnUK89|Bed: 22 23:43:25 <Bjarni> old enough to move away from mom 23:43:30 <Sacro> Bjarni: ive spoken to them, and im on the waiting list for a council place 23:43:42 <Bjarni> in the same area? 23:43:45 <Bjarni> that's not good enough 23:43:51 <JohnUK89|Bed> Sacro: well get a booking made at a Citizens Advice Beureu 23:43:53 <Sacro> yeah, i cant go away cos i dont have ties to the area 23:43:56 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:44:05 <Bjarni> you need to live in a place so far away that you can't go back and forth on the same day 23:44:08 <Sacro> im tied to hull or east yorkshire 23:44:09 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:44:21 <Sacro> Bjarni: well thats a challenge, this island isnt that small 23:44:33 <JohnUK89|Bed> Sacro: there's always the option of going to York to get qualifications and such 23:44:43 <Sacro> JohnUK89|Bed: yeah, but i doubt id get into york 23:45:05 <mikk36> <Bjarni> you need to live in a place so far away that you can't go back and forth on the same day <-- lol, i could travel back and forth in one day from one corner to the other corner of my country :P 23:45:06 <Bjarni> that's the wrong attitude 23:45:17 <mikk36> si i'd have to move out of country to fulfill that requirement :P 23:45:17 <JohnUK89|Bed> Sacro: apprenticeships 23:45:23 <JohnUK89|Bed> There's ALWAYS an option 23:45:34 <mikk36> so* 23:45:51 <Sacro> JohnUK89|Bed: they're generally for 16-19 23:46:03 <JohnUK89|Bed> Sacro: you can still apply for them 23:46:16 <JohnUK89|Bed> There's nothing stopping you trying, only yourself 23:46:50 <JohnUK89|Bed> At the end of the day it all boils down to you putting the effort in to say "yes, I want out" and to do something about it 23:47:02 <Bjarni> Sacro: to get well, you need to move away from your mom. To do that, you have to tell yourself that you can do it 23:47:14 <Bjarni> most other people do it and so can you 23:47:36 <Sacro> JohnUK89|Bed: theres no apprenticeships in the areas i wanna do 23:47:53 <Bjarni> the thought "I can't" is your mother speaking... think about that. Don't let her win 23:48:00 <Sacro> Bjarni: its just a matter of money, im trying to set up a webdesign company, and i need a few hundred to actually buy a system i can use 23:48:21 <Bjarni> hmm 23:48:55 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:59 <JohnUK89|Bed> Sacro: your laptop seems stable-ish, it stays on IRC for a while 23:49:07 <Born_Acorn> Aerospace industries and councils usually have apprenticeships going. 23:49:11 <Bjarni> finance.... well, I can give you some advice 23:50:24 <Bjarni> get a job (doesn't matter what it is, just as long as you make money). Using a paper with proof that you will get paychecks, you can get loan in a bank to get what you need to get started 23:50:58 <Bjarni> to start like that, you need to work long hours if you are a web designer AND got a dayjob, but it's an option 23:51:07 <Sacro> JohnUK89|Bed: its not that stable, im all for throwing it through the window 23:51:09 <Bjarni> and it's not forever, just to get started 23:51:19 <Sacro> Bjarni: i am about £6500 in debt 23:51:25 <Sacro> i cant get a loan 23:51:25 <Bjarni> oh 23:51:27 <Born_Acorn> :O 23:51:34 <Bjarni> that's... alot 23:51:42 <Born_Acorn> indeed. 23:52:01 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:52:09 <Sacro> yep 23:52:14 <Sacro> its probably a lot more now 23:52:50 <Born_Acorn> Debt means nothing if you don't own anything. 23:52:53 <Bjarni> usually I can help people doing stuff like that even though they don't have any money, but I can't fight a dept like that 23:53:39 <grimrc1> Sacro: can you declare yourself bankrupt? 23:53:47 <Bjarni> in theory, yes 23:53:54 <Sacro> grimrc1: well... i think i can 23:53:54 <JohnUK89|Bed> grimrc1: pointless, he wants to own a company 23:54:11 <JohnUK89|Bed> bankruptcy means you can't own a company for 2 years 23:54:19 <grimrc1> oh true; you want to *own* the company, but you can't become a company director for a while 23:54:48 <grimrc1> still, you should be able to work as a contractor; basically the same thing as a company of one 23:55:05 <Bjarni> yeah 23:55:06 <Sacro> grimrc1: its forever, not just for a while 23:55:18 <JohnUK89|Bed> Sacro: no, it's two years 23:55:36 <Bjarni> besides I'm clueless on how to get rid of a dept like that without declaring bankruptcy 23:55:41 <Sacro> Attempting to run a business can be hampered by being an undischarged bankrupt, since credit will be nigh on impossible. Undischarged bankrupts are also forbidden from being company directors, unless they obtain special leave from the court. 23:55:51 <grimrc1> Sacro: it does mean you can't become an MP, so you'd have to give up that ambission I'm afraid 23:56:09 <JohnUK89|Bed> Sacro: that says undischarged, you get discharged after a couple of years 23:56:43 <grimrc1> yeah what JohnUK89|Bed's saying is true; the only thing I wonder is have they tweaked the rules recently 23:56:52 <Bjarni> <Sacro> grimrc1: its forever, not just for a while <-- figure that out for sure. In Copenhagen, you can visit some lawyers to get free legal advice. See if you can find something similar 23:57:06 <Bjarni> most likely not in Hull, but York might have it 23:57:23 <Sacro> i cant get to york, costs too mcuh 23:57:40 <Bjarni> good point 23:57:45 <Bjarni> call them 23:57:50 <grimrc1> still Sacro, you may be able to ignore you debt and save up money anyway; don't know what the rules are about non-payment of debt though 23:57:59 <Bjarni> then it doesn't matter if they are in London only 23:58:07 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:19 <JohnUK89|Bed> grimrc1: they can get court orders, and call the bailliffs out 23:58:31 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:58:41 <Bjarni> Sacro: who do you own money? the bank? 23:58:51 <JohnUK89|Bed> owe* 23:58:56 <grimrc1> JohnUK89|Bed: yeap, but that takes a while; plus you can represent yourself in court; saving up to run a business would look quite good maybe (maybe not though) 23:59:15 <Sacro> Bjarni: dunno now, ignored it for years 23:59:20 <JohnUK89|Bed> grimrc1: doubt it...they'd demand the money for the debt