Log for #openttd on 2nd September 2006:
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01:02:00  <CoRnJuLIOx> hey, i'm having a bit of a problem with openttd, both the nightly build and the stable version don't start on me. apparantly it can't open a file called
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01:23:58  <glx> CoRnJuLIOx: you need files from original TTD (check the readme)
01:25:31  <ThePizzaKing> I'd like to know why that file was called '' when it contains sounds.
01:25:48  <glx> it contains samples
01:28:37  <JohnUK89|Bed> Pretty self explanatory, it's a catalogue of samples
01:29:12  <glx> JohnUK89|Bed: go back to sleep
01:29:17  <JohnUK89|Bed> :P
01:29:36  <glx> you have school soon
01:29:44  <JohnUK89|Bed> 5 days
01:29:46  <JohnUK89|Bed> lol
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01:30:25  <Belugas_Gone> DaleStan, nice patch you've come up with, for callbacks
01:30:36  <CoRnJuLIOx> glx: i have the files from the original ttd
01:30:55  <CoRnJuLIOx> but i've never needed, nor have i ever seen it
01:31:03  <JohnUK89|Bed> CoRnJuLIOx: are the ones ending in .grf and .cat in the OpenTTD data folder?
01:31:33  <JohnUK89|Bed> (And if running OpenTTD from Linux the filenames must all be lower case)
01:31:57  <CoRnJuLIOx> yeah
01:32:02  <CoRnJuLIOx> running windows
01:32:56  <JohnUK89|Bed> is definitely part of TTD, it's the one that looks like three sheets of paper surrounded by a yellow line (in Windows)
01:33:50  <CoRnJuLIOx> checkin that out
01:35:28  <JohnUK89|Bed> Hmm I need a decent IRC client for my phone...anyone got any ideas?
01:36:50  <CoRnJuLIOx> they've got irc for phones?
01:37:08  <JohnUK89|Bed> Yeah but my client is crap
01:37:31  <JohnUK89|Bed> Crashes whenever I connect to OFTC :(
01:37:48  <glx> nice client :)
01:37:58  <JohnUK89|Bed> lol
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01:38:05  <glx> it worked with freenode?
01:38:09  <JohnUK89|Bed> Yeah
01:38:17  <glx> very bad client :)
01:38:29  <JohnUK89|Bed> I said it was crap :)
01:39:20  <CoRnJuLIOx> holy crap, i found it
01:39:42  <grimrc1> is necessary when sound is disabled?
01:39:47  <glx> yes
01:39:50  <JohnUK89|Bed> grimrc1: yes
01:39:58  <glx> even for dedicated server
01:40:06  <grimrc1> should it be?
01:40:31  <grimrc1> not that it really matters
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01:41:07  <glx> dedicated server needs the same files as normal game
01:42:32  <CoRnJuLIOx> hey, how do i use a .diff file?
01:42:50  <grimrc1> CoRnJuLIOx: under *nix, you use the patch command
01:42:53  <glx> do you know how to compile openttd ?
01:42:55  <CoRnJuLIOx> theres this patch i found on the forums that i wanna use, but i cant..
01:42:59  <CoRnJuLIOx> im on windows right now
01:43:04  <CoRnJuLIOx> i know how to do it on linux
01:43:55  <grimrc1> CoRnJuLIOx: patch for source right?  there aren't any binary ones
01:44:23  <glx> you need to apply the patch to openttd source and compile
01:44:48  <CoRnJuLIOx> eek.
01:45:09  <glx> there's a sticky on the forum that explains how to do
01:45:15  <grimrc1> which is easy done under *nix as they usually come with a full 'build environment'
01:45:20  <JohnUK89|Bed> compiling is easy under *nix, but unfortunately you're running Winblows :(
01:45:24  <CoRnJuLIOx> yeah.
01:45:37  <CoRnJuLIOx> i'm thinkin of gettin ubuntu
01:45:40  <CoRnJuLIOx> i've heard good things about it
01:45:45  <CoRnJuLIOx> many many good things
01:45:52  <glx> and you can look in the wiki too for how to compile openttd on windows
01:45:57  <grimrc1> I don't know if you can cross-compile from Linux to Windows - there'll be stuff about it on the openttd wiki, docs, etc.
01:45:58  <Belugas_Gone> windows is not that hard to deal with, numerous ways to do so
01:46:02  <JohnUK89|Bed> If you do, don't apply the latest updates...they kill the GUI LO
01:46:07  <JohnUK89|Bed> :P*
01:46:19  <glx> JohnUK89|Bed: what do you mean?
01:46:29  <JohnUK89|Bed> glx: latest ubuntu updates
01:46:34  <glx> ha ok :)
01:46:59  <grimrc1> I'm starting to get curious about ubuntu, but I think I'll stick with my Gentoo
01:47:16  <JohnUK89|Bed> Aha
01:47:19  <CoRnJuLIOx> gentoo looks hard to install
01:47:21  <JohnUK89|Bed> The updates have been fixed :)
01:47:25  <glx> I like my mandriva :)
01:47:41  <glx> though I'm mainly on windows :)
01:47:42  <grimrc1> CoRnJuLIOx: it *is* - the LiveCD 2006.0 installer is buggy; trashed my partition table a couple of times
01:48:09  <CoRnJuLIOx> if they made some sort of graphical installer to simplify things, i'd go for gentoo
01:48:10  <grimrc1> I managed to recover and whatnot, but it wasn't fun
01:48:48  <JohnUK89|Bed> It took me 4 attempts to install Ubuntu, every time the GRUB installation failed and I couldn't work out why
01:49:03  <grimrc1> why did it JohnUK89|Bed?
01:49:26  <JohnUK89|Bed> Ends up my partition table was slightly it refused to scan all the partitions
01:49:33  <glx> I always install the loader on a floppy first (to be sure to be able to boot later)
01:49:57  <grimrc1> heh mine's slightly iffy too JohnUK89|Bed; I hate Linux installers that automatically install grub; I love grub though
01:50:08  <JohnUK89|Bed> lol
01:50:57  <glx> I'm using ntloader (never fails ;) )
01:51:18  <glx> and ntloader launch lilo
01:51:21  <grimrc1> the braindead Gentoo LiveCD 2006.0 installer removes all your partitions and tries to recreate them all again (with any changes you specify - even if you make no changes!!!?!) - unfortunately mine wouldn't remake easily
01:51:55  <JohnUK89|Bed> Ack :-\
01:51:59  <grimrc1> yeah very nasty
01:52:14  <JohnUK89|Bed> The Ubuntu one lets you specigy your own layout (think it uses gparted)
01:52:21  <JohnUK89|Bed> specify*
01:52:33  <grimrc1> of course later I join the gentoo installer IRC channel and find out it's beta software; doesn't say that anywhere!?
01:53:02  <JohnUK89|Bed> lmao
01:53:09  <grimrc1> heh
01:53:52  <grimrc1> though to be honest, I started to work that out as I repeatedly tried to get it work
01:54:02  <JohnUK89|Bed> yeah :P
01:54:25  <grimrc1> I did workaround its bugs in the end; I'm sure the next release will be a lot better
01:54:39  * Belugas_Gone goes to bed. Gone is really gone now
01:55:10  <JohnUK89|Bed> That highlighted me...bugger!
01:55:28  <grimrc1> I'm working on the following bug.  When a new vehicle appears, any build vehicle windows that are open shift down one and your selection changes (it shouldn't)
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01:56:22  <grimrc1> I think I need to redesign FindWindowById so that I can FindNextWindowById, to run through all the Windows in one class (WC_BUILD_VEHICLE or something like that)
01:56:29  * JohnUK89|Bed goes to bed properly, night
01:56:34  <grimrc1> gn John
01:56:39  <CoRnJuLIOx> good night
01:58:37  <glx> grimrc1: I think it depends at which position the new one appear
01:58:40  <glx> +s
01:59:00  <grimrc1> glx: yeah; I need to increment the selection if it appears before it - gets a little complicated
01:59:13  <grimrc1> and I have to do that for every WC_BUILD_VEHICLE window
02:00:10  <glx> the idea is simple, but hard to implement :)
02:00:19  <grimrc1> true
02:01:12  * glx goes to sleep too
02:01:16  <glx> good night
02:01:43  <grimrc1> gn
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02:45:14  <Stranger> anyone been getting sporadic disconnects?
02:54:07  <grimrc1> can anyone tell me how I should handle WP(w,buildtrain_d).sel_engine and WP(w,buildtrain_d).sel_index for a WC_BUILD_VEHICLE window I find?  I can't tell what vehicle type the window is, and I don't know if sel_engine points inside one class of vehicles (just aircraft, or just trains) or it points in side a big list of all vehicles
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02:58:54  <grimrc1> even stranger, .sel_index is a byte, it's usually put in an int, and often a uint + uint16 is assigned to it
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05:13:26  <grimrc1> this replace engine stuff is causing trouble when I try to change the behaviour of sel_index
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05:58:27  <Wolf01> hi
06:08:21  <grimrc1> lo
06:09:46  <grimrc1> I've made some progress on the 'new vehicle changes your selection in the build vehicle window' problem; I don't know what the vehicle replace functions are and how to trigger them in-game to test them; they seem to be affected by my patch:
06:11:06  <grimrc1> buildtrain_d and replaceveh_d are confusing
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06:11:44  <grimrc1> I think the vehicle replace stuff is the vehicle autorenew patch??
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06:36:36  <CIA-2> tron * r6301 /trunk/gfx.c: -Codechange: if () cascades -> switch ()
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07:13:30  <CIA-2> tron * r6302 /trunk/gfx.c: -Codechange: Remove dead code paths, because the lowest bit of Sprite::info is never unset
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07:56:15  <Darkvater> morning
07:56:21  <grimrc1> hello
07:56:42  <Darkvater> !seen bjarni
07:56:43  <_42_> Darkvater, Bjarni ( was last seen quitting #openttd 7 hours 7 minutes ago (02.09. 00:49) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 17 hours 28 minutes there.
07:56:47  <Darkvater> hmm
07:59:57  <Tron> *yawn*
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08:01:32  <AsterixMG> hi @all
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08:04:32  <Darkvater> morning Tron, AsterixMG
08:04:50  <AsterixMG> morning Darkvater :)
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08:14:19  <CIA-2> tron * r6303 /trunk/gfx.c: -Codechange: Remove dead code
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09:15:17  <TrueLight> GOOD MORNING!!! :p
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09:17:11  <znikoz> hi
09:17:26  <hylje> HI!!! :p
09:17:39  <znikoz> how i can correctly build lang file from lang/unfinished?
09:18:22  <AsterixMG> morning TrueLight
09:19:05  <AsterixMG> dont shout that loud, i'm still a bit sleepy ;)
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09:20:27  <TrueLight> My point :)
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09:23:25  <grimrc1> I've had a go at the vehicle selection bug TrueLight
09:23:52  <TrueLight> grimrc1: good for your :)
09:23:55  <TrueLight> grimrc1: good for you :)
09:24:07  <grimrc1> it's a proof-of-concept patch
09:25:49  <TrueLight> What is the 'bug'
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09:26:53  <grimrc1> when a new vehicle gets introduced to your list; if you've got 'build vehicle' window(s) open, it moves your selection down so you're on the wrong vehicle
09:27:05  <TrueLight> yup, known bug
09:28:21  <grimrc1> I fixed it by using .sel_index differently for aircraft only (can do others); trouble is there's some 'vehicle renew' code which I don't understand that breaks on the .sel_index change; I just patched around the assertions and stuff to show what I've done for the aircraft 'build vehicle' window
09:29:17  <grimrc1> I could look in to that vehicle renew/replace code at some point; at the moment I've no idea what part of the game it runs - autorenew maybe?
09:30:01  <grimrc1> you replied to the guy who posted the bug report; that's why I mentioned it
09:30:08  <TrueLight> ah
09:30:17  <TrueLight> I think it is pretty tricky to make correct all over the place
09:30:25  <TrueLight> and I know little about that part of OpentTD
09:30:29  <TrueLight> maybe Bjarni knows
09:30:31  <grimrc1> hehe oh well; I've got a few other bugfixes up there if you're ever feeling bored
09:30:44  <torm> the behemoth that OpenTTD is
09:30:45  <Bjarni> knows what?
09:31:09  <grimrc1> Bjarni: about the vehicle code; I've got a patch on flyspray to a 'vehicle selection' bug
09:31:11  <TrueLight> grimrc1: sorry grimrc1, but I can't help you with those :( Try poking Darkvater or Bjarni
09:32:09  <Bjarni> which number?
09:32:58  <grimrc1> #73 - but I've got better patches on there
09:33:12  <smeding> nicotine patches! :p
09:33:24  <smeding> (yes, i am very bored, and yes, the only word i read was "patches")
09:33:42  <grimrc1> #311 & #317 are good I think
09:35:09  <CIA-2> bjarni * r6304 /trunk/ (aircraft_cmd.c roadveh_cmd.c ship_cmd.c train_cmd.c): -Codechange r6295: Use !! instead of (bool) in commands to send vehicles to depots
09:35:29  * Bjarni slaps smeding
09:35:32  <grimrc1> I like #306 too hehe
09:35:37  <Bjarni> we got a channelwide smoking ban
09:35:48  <smeding> that's what the nicotine patches are for!
09:35:56  <smeding> to help the smokers among us stop smoking!
09:36:15  <smeding> (i don't smoke, but my parents do so i bug them to stop often)
09:36:33  <Bjarni> actually they are meant to make the ex-smokers dependant on them to make money
09:36:37  <Bjarni> so we banned those as well
09:37:02  <grimrc1> yeah I heard that about the patches
09:37:13  <smeding> heh.
09:37:13  <grimrc1> addictive patches
09:37:21  <smeding> you crazy Dane. :p
09:37:32  <grimrc1> I think the patches are better than the cigs though
09:37:41  <smeding> and no, that's not meant in a racist way, and yes, you can call me a crazy Dutchie.
09:37:58  <grimrc1> the Danes aren't a race are they?
09:38:04  <smeding> well no
09:38:09  <smeding> but before anyone gets the wrong idea D:
09:38:23  <grimrc1> that *is* the wrong idea
09:38:48  <smeding> no it isn't, it's still not meant in a racist way, as it can't be due to the Danes not being a race
09:38:51  <smeding> :>
09:39:11  <grimrc1> is err... their bacon really good or something?
09:39:13  <Bjarni> I look at a patch for a moment and while I do that, the channels starts to call me crazy and people gets the wrong ideas and stuff
09:39:19  <Bjarni> don't do that
09:39:32  <grimrc1> hehe
09:39:40  <Bjarni> you are like animals. Needs constant supervision
09:39:59  <grimrc1> Bjarni: what kind of animals need constant supervision??  that's crazy!
09:40:13  <grimrc1> do you mean children?
09:40:15  <grimrc1> hehe
09:41:15  <smeding> i'm considered a child by most, sadly D:
09:42:37  <Bjarni> smeding: maybe this will change when you become a teenager
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09:42:49  <smeding> pfft, i'm 14 :p
09:43:03  <Bjarni> crap
09:43:09  <smeding> apparently people here consider that being a teenager o.o
09:43:10  <Bjarni> then all hopes are out for you
09:43:13  <smeding> heh.
09:43:15  <SpComb> Logs:
09:43:15  <Wolf01> !logs
09:43:51  <Bjarni> you are a product of a bad environment
09:44:24  <grimrc1> a teenager is 13 - 19 right?  but what about other languages?  in German elf & zwolf (eleven & twelve) are different from dreizehn, vierzhen ... neunzehn (13 - 19) just like English
09:44:57  <smeding> .
09:45:06  <Bjarni> teenager is an English word...
09:45:22  <grimrc1> thir - TEEN to nine - TEEN
09:45:28  <grimrc1> what's the German word?
09:45:29  <Bjarni> It got a bit don't care for other languages
09:45:33  <grimrc1> zehner?
09:45:54  <Bjarni> maybe smeding knows
09:45:54  <smeding> in Finnish x where 20 > x > 10 and x is round, it's just the word for the number plus a suffix
09:45:57  <Bjarni> he is one of them
09:46:07  <smeding> zehn = ten
09:46:31  <grimrc1> teen almost = ten
09:46:45  <smeding> probably ten = teen in old English
09:46:54  <grimrc1> 14 is under the age of consent you know
09:47:01  <grimrc1> just in case anyone was wondering hehe
09:47:04  <smeding> heh.
09:47:20  <grimrc1> I'm 24
09:47:44  <AsterixMG> in german teenager is also used, there is no real german word for that (as for lots of other words that we "import" from other languages :/ )
09:47:56  <smeding> pfft
09:47:59  <Bjarni> you are German?
09:48:07  <smeding> everyone knows the Dutch are masters of stealing from other languages
09:48:17  <grimrc1> there's so many Germans in here; some might say too many (joking)
09:48:18  <TrueLight> Bye all!
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09:48:40  <AsterixMG> well, i was born in germany, always lived in germany, so yes, i think i am german ;)
09:48:45  <Bjarni> I'm sorry
09:48:47  <hylje> no you arent
09:49:01  <grimrc1> is there any Austrians in here?
09:49:04  <smeding> hylje ei ole suomalainen!
09:49:07  <smeding> D:
09:49:08  <Bjarni> <smeding>	everyone knows the Dutch are masters of stealing from other languages <-- not only words
09:49:18  * Bjarni slaps smeding
09:49:24  <Bjarni> you are speaking gibberish
09:49:34  <smeding> Finnish, actually - but it's a fine line
09:49:37  <Bjarni> grimrc1: yrs, sometimes, but I don't think they are here right now
09:49:59  * hylje eats a foo bar
09:50:07  <Bjarni> no it's not. Only English is allowed in this channel
09:50:16  <smeding> fair enough
09:50:28  <grimrc1> you know in this country we confuse all the Scandinavian countries
09:50:32  <torm> hey people...
09:50:52  <smeding> hi
09:50:59  <torm> i'm playing with SDL window creation... but all the examples i've seen use a loop of some kind to keep the window open
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09:51:06  <Bjarni> and by this country, you mean ?
09:51:08  <Bjarni> USA?
09:51:09  <torm> this makes the CPU go to 100%
09:51:10  <grimrc1> England
09:51:16  <torm> any ideas how to avoid this?
09:51:29  <Tron> wait for events
09:51:45  <torm> but to wait, dont you have to loop?
09:51:57  <Bjarni> grimrc1: not true. You know Danish bacon and Swedish girls... you don't confuse those :P
09:52:08  <Bjarni> and you don't want Swedish bacon :P
09:52:11  <Tron> of course you have use a loop
09:52:15  <grimrc1> hehe
09:52:29  <Bjarni> you might want Danish girls, but that's another story
09:53:11  <torm> Tron: hmm... why then does openttd for example not send my cpu to 100% at the menu window? would it not be waiting (looping) for events?
09:53:22  <Tron> do {
09:53:35  <Tron>   event = WaitForEvent();
09:53:42  <Tron>   ProcessEvent(event);
09:53:54  <Tron> } while (event != EVENT_QUIT);
09:54:14  <torm> ahh, cheers mate.. thanks for the heads up...
09:54:28  <torm> just started playing with sdl and my laptop was getting very hot...
09:54:32  <grimrc1> wow that must mean the example I'm reading on's doc wiki is really badly coded
09:54:47  <torm> grimrc1: thats the one i was reading too
09:54:54  <grimrc1> while(SDL_PollEvent(&event)){
09:55:13  <grimrc1> I suppose it isn't if you're doing something else most of the time?
09:55:38  <torm> grimrc1: i think the prob there is it's poling for an event, not waiting...
09:55:45  <torm> anyhoo i'll try that out... thanks TheMask96
09:55:49  <torm> lol
09:55:55  <torm> Tron
09:55:55  <grimrc1> heh
09:56:20  <CIA-2> truelight * r6305 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ ( config.lib configure): [MakefileRewrite] -Add: added --strip
09:58:06  <Tron> grimrc1: depends on what you want to do. If you want to do something all the time and just check now and then for events, then SDL_PollEvent() is perfectly fine
09:58:40  <grimrc1> yeah makes sense; plus you might not need threading with SDL_PollEvent(), right?
10:01:01  <torm> do {
10:01:01  <torm> 	SDL_WaitEvent(&event);
10:01:01  <torm> } while (event.type != SDL_QUIT);
10:01:08  <torm> ^^ works a charm...
10:01:09  * torm dances
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10:07:20  <Bjarni> grimrc1: I looked at your patch (73) and I'm not sure that is the way to go
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10:07:42  <Bjarni> but I found a way to reproduce this very easy, so it's possible to find a solution
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10:07:50  <Bjarni> the autoreplace window got the same issue
10:08:03  <hylje> is there a way to list stations with waiting cargo shown
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10:08:16  <Bjarni> start a new game, build the last engine in the list, open the window and build the first one
10:08:28  <hylje> i dont like to keep them all open, since widgets have a limit
10:08:52  <Bjarni> hylje: hmm
10:09:07  <Bjarni> if there is, it will be the station list window
10:09:19  <hylje> yes
10:09:53  <hylje> it just shows what cargo it has
10:09:55  <hylje> not how much
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10:10:27  <CIA-2> truelight * r6306 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (config.lib configure): [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: moved around code to make it more usuable and extendable
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10:19:55  <hylje> has miniin got some land value stuff
10:20:10  <hylje> big towns got crazy expensive land
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10:24:07  <CIA-2> truelight * r6307 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Add: added --enable-universal, which makes for OSX universal compiles. Not fully done.
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10:32:31  <Eddi|zuHause2> <grimrc1> is there any Austrians in here? <- Gonozal_VIII is austrian, afaik
10:32:55  <torm> grimrc1: i'm an aussie... from Perth
10:33:05  <Eddi|zuHause2> and the closest german word to "teenager" is "Heranwachsender"
10:33:24  <Eddi|zuHause2> torm: that's Austrailia, not Austria ;)
10:33:42  <torm> Eddi|zuHause2: majorly my bad
10:36:42  <CIA-2> truelight * r6308 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Add: added lipo detection for OSX
10:38:08  <CIA-2> truelight * r6309 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix r6308: reverted it a bit, only check for lipo on OSX and universal
10:43:11  <grimrc1> hehe
10:45:12  <Bjarni> grimrc1: I don't like your patch and I want to do this right, but it turns out to be mighty hard to do
10:45:19  <grimrc1> which one?
10:45:24  <Bjarni> the list generation is pretty messy
10:45:30  <Bjarni> the new vehicle+list one
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10:46:12  <Bjarni> hmm
10:46:18  <Bjarni> just got a new idea
10:47:00  <grimrc1> I thought the list generation always was pretty messy
10:48:06  <Bjarni> it was ok until we added newgrf support
10:48:07  <grimrc1> the best I could think of was using .sel_index as a sort of diff
10:48:54  <grimrc1> I think the other patches are much better though; this one was just a prototype one to see if I was doing it right
10:49:00  <Bjarni> now it loops thought all vehicle 4 times for trains in order to draw them in the right order
10:49:40  <grimrc1> I patched the planes part
10:51:13  <Bjarni> I noticed
10:51:26  <Bjarni> I just think it's the wrong way to go
10:51:34  <Bjarni> it will make the code even more messy
10:52:26  <Bjarni> we should make it less messy
10:53:10  <Bjarni> right now it's readable at maybe twice the speed as ASM code is
10:53:19  <grimrc1> I don't like the way the current code uses .sel_index which is an index inside the allowed list of planes; I changed it to 0 usually (no action by user), and if it changes then it points to the item the user clicked on; .sel_engine is how I store the current engine
10:54:43  <grimrc1> a new vehicle makes .sel_index stale, but the old cold relies on .sel_index to keep track of the vehicle currently selected, when .sel_engine does a much better job pointing right at the currently selected engine
10:54:59  <Bjarni> yeah, I'm thinking about changing the selection to EngineID. That way we can change the list all we want and it is still on the right engine
10:55:45  <Bjarni> but then we need WE_CREATE to set it up right when we create the window
10:55:48  <grimrc1> ohhh cool; but what's the point in .sel_index, except to convey that the user has selected a different item in the list maybe
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10:56:33  <Bjarni> the point is that (I'm talking about the autoreplace window now) is that it was the first window I ever made and to get the list to work, I copy pasted working code from another window and modified it
10:56:39  <grimrc1> .sel_engine is the EngineID currently selected
10:56:40  <Bjarni> if it ain't broke, don't fix it
10:56:52  <grimrc1> heh
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10:57:20  <Bjarni> now that I got a better understanding of how the code works, I will likely be able to code this better
10:57:25  <grimrc1> Bjarni: cool
10:57:34  <Bjarni> but likely not today
10:57:44  <grimrc1> if you build the list on WE_CREATE, how do you detect changes?
10:58:08  <grimrc1> does InvalidateWindows call WE_CREATE or WE_PAINT?
10:58:27  <Bjarni> WE_CREATE is an event, that's called when the window is created to set the init values
10:58:36  <Bjarni> WE_PAINT
10:58:57  <Bjarni> WE_CREATE is only when the window is (well, you guessed it) created
10:59:03  <grimrc1> when a new vehicle is available, InvalidateWindows() is called
10:59:10  <Bjarni> yes
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10:59:18  <grimrc1> that's why tweaking the current code works
10:59:50  <Bjarni> but if I change the window to use EngineID instead of index in the list, then I need an init function to select something when the window is created
11:00:07  <Bjarni> and then the current code to invalidate the window is ok
11:00:14  <grimrc1> it sounds like I can't write a decent patch, because the changes needed are quite broad; especially changing the window type - that's beyond me
11:00:50  <Bjarni> it's not changing the window type, it's adding a new window event
11:01:16  <Bjarni> and yes, it's a big patch as it deals with a fundamental design flaw in the window
11:01:25  <grimrc1> I thought struct buildtrain_d was part of the struct window - but I don't understand that well as I'm saying
11:01:46  <Bjarni> I didn't think of this when I coded it in the first place. I was happy enough just to get my first window working
11:02:08  <Bjarni> specially since I picked such a complex one as my first
11:02:14  <grimrc1> yeah it is complex
11:02:49  <grimrc1> so I'll forget about that bug then as I can't really help
11:03:00  <Bjarni> I had to add support for two vertical scrollbars... the window engine didn't understand that when I started working
11:04:04  <grimrc1> Bjarni: if you or someone else redesigned aircraft build *and* aircraft autoreplace properly, I could use that as a prototype to fix the other cases (rail etc.), if that'd be helpful
11:04:45  <Bjarni> we only got one function to handle autoreplace windows, so it's done for all vehicles at once
11:04:46  <grimrc1> what I mean is, I could do some of the 'dog-work' if you like
11:05:00  <Bjarni> but the build windows... that would be nice
11:05:17  <grimrc1> although it would nearly be copy-paste hehe
11:05:35  <Bjarni> bbl
11:05:39  <grimrc1> cya
11:06:12  <hylje> openttd: ai/default/default.c:1788: AiStateBuildDefaultRailBlocks: Assertion `!CmdFailed(r)' failed.
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11:06:34  <hylje> miniin r6304
11:07:07  <AsterixMG> hylje, then you should post it to the miniin-problems thread
11:08:20  <CIA-2> truelight * r6310 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (123 files in 11 dirs): [MakefileRewrite] -Sync: sync with trunk from r6171:6309
11:08:30  <hylje> i dont think miniin alters the default ai?
11:09:49  <AsterixMG> i don't know, but if you can't reproduce it with a clean build of the current svn (without patches), noone will have a look at it
11:10:36  <AsterixMG> its hard to tell if one of the patches included in miniin have some impact on the AI
11:11:56  <AsterixMG> i have already produced errors myself in places i didn't even look at :)
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11:18:11  <CIA-2> truelight * r6311 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: for some reason I removed config.cache.source.list on 'make clean', making 'make clean all' impossible (tnx Rubidium)
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11:26:00  <CIA-2> truelight * r6312 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: stupid OSX strip doesn't have -V, so just assume it is on the system
11:27:15  <CIA-2> truelight * r6313 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Revert r6312: it did more wrong then right..
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11:35:25  <CIA-2> truelight * r6314 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: in OSX, compile a file to test lipo and strip on, to detect those 2 tools
11:37:37  <Eddi|zuHause2> *YAWN* ... i hate saturday mornings...
11:37:46  <Faux> But.. no work!
11:37:52  <Eddi|zuHause2> s/saturday//
11:38:14  <Faux> Plus, it must be technically afternoon there soon.
11:38:27  <hylje> :E
11:39:10  <Eddi|zuHause2> well... technically, it's almost 2PM ;)
11:39:25  <Wolf01> :E
11:40:45  <Eddi|zuHause2> if that image does not load within 1 minute, did i fail the speed test? :p
11:41:09  <Wolf01> no, is my dsl speed test
11:41:20  <hylje> hahaha
11:41:53  <Eddi|zuHause2> looks fun ;)
11:43:07  <Eddi|zuHause2> but might as well be mine ;)
11:44:19  <Wolf01> i have 33.6k adsl -_-'''
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11:52:33  <sjm> does anyone know whether any sync error problems were fixed since 0.4.8?
11:52:58  <sjm> i have a network game running on my local machine and i can't stay connected for more than a few minutes without a sync error
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11:56:31  <CIA-2> truelight * r6315 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib:
11:56:31  <CIA-2> [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: make detection code look at exit-code too
11:56:31  <CIA-2> -Fix: OSX doesn't like -s in strip (has a totally different function! YEAH!)
11:56:31  <CIA-2> -Fix: use $cc_host if you want to do host detection, not gcc ;)
11:57:31  <CIA-2> truelight * r6316 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: nasty typo: 2 had to be 4
11:58:33  <CIA-2> truelight * r6317 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix r6316: typo in typo correction... 4 had to be 3 (remote testing sucks ass)
12:00:42  <CIA-2> truelight * r6318 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: only gcc and g++ give back the machine they compile for
12:01:44  <Darkvater> grimrc1: if you ask me the fix you are doing is futile
12:01:57  <grimrc1> which one?
12:02:05  <valhallasw> !seen truelight
12:02:06  <_42_> valhallasw, truelight is on #openttd.tgp right now.
12:02:19  <CIA-2> truelight * r6319 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: if makedepend wasn't detected, it showed that it was
12:02:55  <grimrc1> I've got several patches up; do you mean new vehicles fix?
12:03:19  <Darkvater> the sel-index
12:04:09  <CIA-2> truelight * r6320 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: if makedepend isn't detected, don't try to use it
12:04:43  <grimrc1> I'm not working on it any more because rewriting it properly involve too many changes
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12:05:18  <Darkvater> yeah. I looked into it a while ago as well and decided it's way too much effort to et right with virtually no advantage
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12:06:45  <grimrc1> if the vehicle autoreplace code worked with it I would have finished it though
12:06:52  <Bjarni> Darkvater: I looked at that patch and rejected it as well for being messy and not the way to solve such an issue
12:06:57  <grimrc1> that would mean not too much redesigning; oh well
12:07:11  <CIA-2> truelight * r6321 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: make sure if makedepend is disabled, you never try to use it
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12:09:21  <Darkvater> hmm anyone got experience with the Shuttle XPC SB81P barebone?
12:09:23  <Darkvater>
12:09:36  <Darkvater> I dropped my idea of a NAS as it was too expensive and think about getting one of these babies
12:12:19  <CIA-2> truelight * r6322 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: add -liconv to LIBS
12:13:05  <grimrc1> what kind of CPU?
12:13:23  <Wolf01> we have one at work, they are little and light, but is impossible to put hands on it without disassemble all the components
12:13:32  <grimrc1> er I don't have any experience with them
12:13:34  <Darkvater> P4
12:13:50  <Darkvater> Wolf01: it's not like I am going to open it up daily :)
12:14:10  <grimrc1> I don't get it; you're using it for NAS?
12:14:24  <Darkvater> well the plan would be to use it for NAS and multimedia
12:14:38  <Wolf01> we too, but was a pain to extract the HDD
12:14:39  <Darkvater> it'll just sit in the corner, serving me movies and audio as well as file/webserver
12:15:11  <grimrc1> why not just use an original xbox or something?  aren't they cheaper?
12:15:42  <Darkvater> I bought a used-xbox, but it was too much hassle and noisy
12:15:46  <hylje> :o
12:15:51  <grimrc1> oh hehe
12:15:55  <Darkvater> plus it was pretty damn ugly
12:15:56  <Darkvater> X
12:15:58  <Darkvater> brr
12:16:48  <Wolf01> i suggets the shuttle only if you don't have much space or you want to keep it in the living room
12:17:06  <Darkvater> why?
12:17:08  <grimrc1> can't an xbox go in the closet?
12:17:13  <Tron> <Darkvater> it'll just sit in the corner, serving me pr0n and audio as well as file/webserver
12:17:17  <Tron> Darkvater: fixed your typo
12:17:28  <Darkvater> hehe
12:17:34  <Darkvater> but I do not have porn on my PC
12:17:36  <Darkvater> waste of space
12:17:43  <grimrc1> that's why you need NAS
12:17:47  <grimrc1> heh
12:18:02  <Darkvater> well looking at this shuttle, I can put in 3HDD's
12:18:11  <Wolf01> because is like a notebook: you buy it and you keep it as it is
12:18:31  <Darkvater> Wolf01: that's the intention. I plan to buy a laptop for general usage
12:19:38  <Wolf01> we use it as video recorder :)
12:20:51  <CIA-2> truelight * r6323 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ [MakefileRewrite] -Add: added the last piece of OSX universal compiles
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12:33:47  <CIA-2> truelight * r6324 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ ( config.lib):
12:33:47  <CIA-2> [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: the name is ppc970, not ppc870
12:33:47  <CIA-2> -Fix: lipo code failed, should work now (tnx Bjarni)
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12:47:58  <Wolf01> question (MiniIN): why is no more possible to copy/share orders clicking on the vehicles in depots?
12:48:52  <Sacro> </Wolf01> mwahaha
12:50:33  * Wolf01 bites Sacro
12:51:13  <Sacro> :o
12:51:57  <Wolf01> you are lucky that was the hand... nex time the neck
12:52:04  <Wolf01> *next
12:52:53  <Sacro> :(oh
12:53:31  <hylje> Wolf01: its not possible in trunk?
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12:54:05  <Wolf01> is possible in r6176
12:55:08  <Wolf01> and since i have 33.6k dsl i can't dl nightlies
12:56:19  <Sacro> narrowband dsl? ouch
12:56:35  <Wolf01> yes
12:56:39  <Wolf01>
12:57:25  <CIA-2> truelight * r6326 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib:
12:57:25  <CIA-2> [MakefileRewrite] -Add: added optimizers for G5
12:57:25  <CIA-2> -Add: made the FOUR_BYTE_BOOL a general thing for all PPC targets (using dumpmachine via gcc)
12:59:12  <mikk36> why does openttd get desyncs so easily ?
13:02:29  <AsterixMG> mikk36, what version do you use?
13:02:32  <mikk36> 048
13:02:45  <mikk36> running a server on 10/10 net
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13:03:02  <mikk36> and 1024x512 got strangely a lot of desyncs
13:03:11  <mikk36> usually one in 15-30 minutes
13:03:51  <mikk36> dedicated server has above normal priority
13:05:48  <CIA-2> truelight * r6327 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (os/macosx/G5_detector.c src/os/macosx/G5_detector.c): [MakefileRewrite] -Move: move G5_detector to src/ dir
13:07:01  <AsterixMG> hmm, is it ingame at the beginning of a new month/year?
13:17:23  <CIA-2> truelight * r6328 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Add: added G5 detection code
13:18:56  <CIA-2> truelight * r6329 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: in fact, if build != host, it is cross-compile
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13:22:29  <sjm> mikk36: i have the same problem
13:22:53  <mikk36> AsterixMG, autosaves are disabled at server
13:23:06  <sjm> i have a network game running on this machine, initially it was fine but a few hours later and i can't stay connected for more than a few minutes without a desync
13:23:33  <sjm> i'm connecting to the same machine with the same binary for server/client
13:26:48  <CIA-2> truelight * r6330 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Add: --enable-osx-g5 forces G5 for OSX, and skips detection
13:27:46  * mikk36 np: Status Quo - Fun Fun Fun  [0:36/3:03] 192kbps - 44Khz
13:27:48  <mikk36> :)
13:28:09  * Bjarni pulls the plug
13:28:13  <Bjarni> no disco in here
13:28:29  <JohnUK89|Bed> Afternoon :)
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13:30:12  <AsterixMG> JohnUK89|Bed, time you get out of your bed ;)
13:30:23  <JohnUK89|Bed> Just have ;-)
13:30:26  *** JohnUK89|Bed is now known as JohnUK89
13:30:43  <AsterixMG> :)
13:30:53  <Bjarni> JohnUK89: in case you missed that fact, you are not living in Hull
13:31:09  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: I know that :)
13:31:12  <Bjarni> it's not mandatory for you to stay up all night shacking girls
13:31:49  <JohnUK89> I wasn't, I was staying up all night attempting to get me connection working properly, and it is doing now
13:32:19  <JohnUK89> Ooh my GPRS data counter on my phone wraps around at a gig
13:32:56  <Bjarni> <Bjarni>	no disco in here <-- I hate repeating myself, but now somebody outside decided to listen to Brian Addams... so loud that it's louder in here than my own music >_<
13:33:12  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: ouch :S
13:34:03  <Bjarni> I closed the window
13:34:14  <JohnUK89> Good :)
13:34:19  <JohnUK89> Brian Adams sucks
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13:35:04  <hylje> what about bryan?
13:35:11  <AsterixMG> Bjarni, better now than in the middle of the night while you want to sleep ;)
13:36:28  <Bjarni> <AsterixMG>	Bjarni, better now than in the middle of the night while you want to sleep ;) <-- that happened like a week ago, but it was not Brian Addams
13:36:55  <Bjarni> it was actually music I might have put on myself, so I survived it
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13:37:57  <AsterixMG> well, i once had the neighbor playing folksongs in the middle of the night :/
13:38:00  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: one d in Adams ;-)
13:38:50  <Bjarni> whatever
13:39:15  * JohnUK89 is now awaiting a kick from Bjarni for being a pedant
13:39:46  <Bjarni> nice
13:39:56  <Bjarni> I jammed JohnUK89 in a sleep loop
13:40:07  <Bjarni> waiting for an event that will not happen
13:40:22  * JohnUK89 stops awaiting it
13:40:25  <JohnUK89> :)
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13:41:03  * JohnUK89 slaps Bjarni
13:41:08  <JohnUK89> Bugger :P
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13:41:24  <hylje> naziop
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13:41:34  <Bjarni> hey, he attacked me
13:41:40  <JohnUK89> You like kicking me don't you :)
13:41:47  <Bjarni> I bet you like it
13:41:55  <JohnUK89> No, it hurts
13:42:01  <JohnUK89> '(
13:42:06  <JohnUK89> :'(*
13:42:21  <Bjarni> then why don't you learn from your mistakes
13:42:29  <Bjarni> and it's :?(
13:42:34  <JohnUK89> Because I never do :)
13:42:48  <Bjarni> are you sure your aren't from Hull?
13:42:52  <Born_Acorn> That smiley looks more like he has a nose made from a rasher of bacon.
13:42:56  <JohnUK89> Yes
13:43:18  <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: well, it depends on the font, I guess
13:43:26  <Bjarni> :~(
13:43:36  <Bjarni> no, that's not good either
13:43:51  <Born_Acorn> You broke his nose now!
13:43:57  <Bjarni> both of them looks awesome if you use the right font :P
13:44:18  <Bjarni> JohnUK89: oh I'm sorry about your nose
13:44:19  <Born_Acorn> I use Arial. So there!
13:44:27  <JohnUK89> Grrrrr
13:44:40  <JohnUK89> :-(
13:44:44  <Born_Acorn> The sense of smell should return soon
13:44:56  <Bjarni> yeah
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13:45:10  <Bjarni> I smell you already
13:45:16  <MeusH> \o/
13:45:17  <MeusH> congrats
13:45:21  <JohnUK89> Strangely I can smell bacon...
13:45:25  <MeusH> you won a prize! Bjarni the smeller
13:45:44  <MeusH> hi Darkvater, let's measure
13:45:49  <MeusH> Sacro wants to be measured
13:46:11  <Bjarni> ok
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13:57:49  <hylje> autorail hotkey (A) brings railroad building window in
13:58:07  <hylje> but same level terraformer hotkey (E) does not bring terraform window in
13:59:14  <CIA-2> truelight * r6333 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Change: renamed enabled-osx-sysroot to with-osx-sysroot, as that name is more logic
14:00:16  <CIA-2> truelight * r6334 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix r6333: forgot to rename disabled to without
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14:01:26  <CIA-2> truelight * r6335 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: Makefiles go to objs, not src (prettyfy ;))
14:02:19  <CIA-2> truelight * r6336 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: 10.4 is PPC only, 10.4u is universal (stupid OSX) (Bjarni)
14:07:40  <mikk36> Bjarni, u here ?
14:07:51  <Bjarni> maybe
14:07:55  <Bjarni> depends on who is asking
14:08:01  <Bjarni> and the question
14:08:29  <mikk36> how are those seperated stations built ? (1 name, 2 seperated locations)
14:09:04  <hylje> build a big station
14:09:06  <hylje> remove the middle
14:09:12  <Bjarni> yeah
14:09:17  <Bjarni> why ask me?
14:09:18  <Wolf01> or do station walking
14:09:29  <hylje> station walking is just that
14:09:32  <Bjarni> why not just the channel?
14:09:39  <hylje> ottdcoop people abuse the fuck out of it sometimes :>
14:09:56  <mikk36> station walking ?
14:10:06  <mikk36> and channel ?
14:10:26  <Bjarni> I think Wolf01 even wrote a patch to do it without walking
14:10:29  <Wolf01> you build little pieces of stations to reach the location you want
14:11:11  <mikk36> and how are they connected ? (i mean how do i tell the game to make then unified ?)
14:11:19  <Wolf01> or with our (mine and Frostregen's) patch you can hold ALT and you can select at which station you want to join the new piece
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14:12:27  <mikk36> is it possible in 048 without any patch ?
14:12:51  <Wolf01> the station walk is possible with irregular stations
14:13:35  <Wolf01> just remove the pieces in excess by pressing the bulldozer button when building a station
14:13:40  <mikk36> ok
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14:14:28  <hylje> but dont do that with rail station pieces
14:14:50  <hylje> demolishing one piece demolishes all the other pieces
14:15:04  <hylje> but using "remove station" will remove just on
14:15:06  <Wolf01> no, the bulldozer key, not the dynamite key
14:15:33  <hylje> ah yes
14:16:21  <CIA-2> truelight * r6337 /branches/makefile_rewrite/projects/ (openttd.vcproj openttd_vs80.vcproj): [MakefileRewrite] -Sync: forgot to generate new project files upon sync
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14:18:09  <mikk36> oh :)
14:18:23  <mikk36> didn't think i could remove station pieces :P
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14:21:10  <Jucciz> yea it works
14:21:37  <CIA-2> truelight * r6338 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ ( config.lib): [MakefileRewrite] -Add: 'make bundle' makes the bundle OSX wants so much
14:22:06  <CIA-2> truelight * r6339 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ [MakefileRewrite] -Fix r6338: don't copy blindly ;)
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14:34:35  <CIA-2> truelight * r6340 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ ( config.lib):
14:34:35  <CIA-2> [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: !!OS!! was filled wrong
14:34:35  <CIA-2> -Fix: when running 'make bundle' for targets which have no bundle, give nice reply
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14:55:04  <MeusH> hey, how to say in english a thing on a petrol station that counts money to pay? Gas flews through it, also a foss is located there
14:55:09  <MeusH> thanks in advance
14:55:50  <Tron> you mean the petrol pump?
14:57:26  <MeusH>
14:57:35  <MeusH> especially the part with digits
14:57:42  <Tron> that's a petrol pump
14:58:18  <MeusH> thanks a lot
14:58:52  <Wolf01> the part of the digits which measure how many litres of gas and how much you have to pay?
14:59:07  <MeusH> yeah, I'm the most interested in this part
14:59:11  <CoRnJuLIOx> the part you swipe the credit card into?
14:59:49  <MeusH> nah
14:59:50  <Wolf01> i think is called gasometer, directly translated from italian :)
14:59:58  <CoRnJuLIOx> whats the italian word?
15:00:18  <MeusH> gasometer seems to be some kind of a building :/ According to google images :)
15:00:19  <hylje> gas-o-meter
15:01:43  <guru3> ive just always called it the meter
15:01:48  <CoRnJuLIOx> yeah
15:01:54  <guru3> how many other meters will there be at the gas station?
15:01:54  <CoRnJuLIOx> just call it a gas meter or something...
15:02:41  <MeusH> Tron was the closest :) But thank you all
15:03:04  <Tron> the whole thing is the petrol pump
15:03:19  <MeusH> yep
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15:04:10  <Tron> but i can't remember i directly referred to the display of a petrol pump in my whole life or even gave it a special name
15:04:43  <Bjarni> it's "the display"
15:04:51  <Kjetil> It's a part of the petrolpump why would you call it something different ?
15:05:13  <Tron> Super for 110.9 ... that was /some/ time ago
15:05:50  <CoRnJuLIOx> speaking of gas, why not introduce it as a new industry in ttd?
15:06:12  <Bjarni> CoRnJuLIOx: it's called petrol, not gas :P
15:06:31  <CoRnJuLIOx> its called gas here
15:06:32  <CoRnJuLIOx> :-/
15:06:55  <Tron> Bjarni: americans even make a verb out of "gas"
15:07:12  <CoRnJuLIOx> "i've gotta gas up"
15:07:13  <Bjarni> I know the Americans violate the language
15:07:21  <Tron> "to gas up" -> "to refuel"
15:07:25  <Bjarni> CoRnJuLIOx: where do you live?
15:07:36  <CoRnJuLIOx> im in the Philippines right now, moved here from California
15:07:40  <Kjetil> American petrol prices *grr*
15:07:55  <CoRnJuLIOx> i've heard its -4 bucks a gallon
15:08:06  <guru3> i remember when it was less than a dollar
15:08:21  <guru3> wasn't that long ago at all
15:08:33  <CoRnJuLIOx> yeah
15:08:39  <CoRnJuLIOx> a year seems so short to me
15:09:00  <Tron> <CoRnJuLIOx> i've heard its -4 bucks a gallon <-- that's still dirt cheap
15:09:13  <CoRnJuLIOx> naw, really?
15:09:17  <CoRnJuLIOx> i dont think it is
15:09:20  <Kjetil> Here we pay 1.89 for a liter
15:09:34  <CoRnJuLIOx> ouch
15:09:48  <CoRnJuLIOx> 3-4 bucks a gallon does seem cheap, if i'm doing my math right
15:10:08  <Tron> 1.30 Euro for a liter
15:10:10  <Tron> here
15:10:21  <Tron> that's about 6.30 US Dollars per gallon
15:10:21  <guru3> like 12:-/liter here
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15:11:13  <Wolf01> 1.445EUR for a liter here
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15:13:19  <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't been at the fuel station in a while...
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15:14:01  <MeusH> 1.10EUR here...
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15:14:30  <CoRnJuLIOx> i'd love to live in a place where you wouldn't need a car to get around
15:14:35  <CoRnJuLIOx> that would rock, wouldnt it?
15:14:58  <Tron> there's even a car on the moon, so what?
15:15:03  <Eddi|zuHause> well... i need a car to get around
15:15:07  <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't have one
15:16:18  <Kjetil> I would love to have a car, but it's to expensive :/
15:24:00  <MeusH> Bicycle is great. But it's too easy to steal...
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15:29:36  <JohnUK89> llo again :)
15:29:39  <JohnUK89> Ello*
15:30:35  <Eddi|zuHause> bicycle is not great if you have 8% hills on the way to the city
15:31:07  <Eddi|zuHause> well... actually, it is valleys in an otherwise quite plain area
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15:33:55  <MeusH> I can get to school in 30 minutes on bicycle, or in 30-90 minutes by bus+tram (depending on traffic density)
15:34:54  <Eddi|zuHause> to get anywhere, i need 17 minutes by car, or 1h on the bus
15:36:29  <Tron> to get to uni i need 15 minutes by car, 40 minutes by bike or 45 minutes by tram+walk
15:36:40  <Wolf01> i have 20km to go to work, and i have to use the car to work sometimes, so i can't use a bicycle :)
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15:44:32  <Born_Acorn> I have so many new SVN Digests, I'm getting SVN Digests for my SVN Digests!
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16:36:39  <CIA-2> truelight * r6343 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: remove () on function-headers, because not all systems like them ;) (tnx tokai)
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16:50:11  <hylje> win
16:52:05  <glx> nice one hylje :)
16:52:31  <hylje> i dont mark un-nice stuff as win
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17:02:23  <Eddi|zuHause> that looks _VERY_ evil ;)
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17:51:30  <Bjarni> damn you guys
17:52:12  <Bjarni> you overload the server with your constant chatting >_<
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18:00:18  <Born_Acorn> Bjarni, or is it you, not constantly chatting enough?
18:00:25  <Born_Acorn> We will never know!
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18:10:32  <Svaini> suggestion to a new project: Settlers II .. the new settlers II remake(TNG) sucks :-0
18:10:59  <Kjetil> Settlers - Life is faudal instead :P
18:11:06  <Kjetil> feydal*
18:11:08  <Svaini> only thing that needs to be added is network support..  :P
18:11:46  <Tron> go ahead, write it
18:13:08  <Svaini> oh, if I had the time and knowledge, I would.. :-p
18:13:46  <Kjetil> hm.. nextgentel ja
18:14:16  <Kjetil> Svaini: du er vel ikke tilfeldigvis fra hommersåk ?
18:14:56  <Svaini> koss då? :-0
18:15:20  <Kjetil> For i så fall kjenner du vel Jarle
18:15:41  <Svaini> urdal?`
18:15:46  <Kjetil> mhm
18:16:01  <Kjetil> artig
18:16:17  <Svaini> leal
18:16:21  <Kjetil> Du har vel vært innom i døra noen ganger når vi har sett film der
18:16:40  <Svaini> trorkje det
18:16:52  <Turski> ...
18:16:52  <Tron> english
18:16:53  <Kjetil> hm.. ok
18:17:10  <Tron> or use /query
18:17:26  <Turski> norwegian? >;(
18:17:28  <ln-> what's wrong with klingon?
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19:12:50  <Eddi|zuHause> <Svaini> suggestion to a new project: Settlers II .. the new settlers II remake(TNG) sucks :-0 <- isnt there a Settlers 5 already?
19:13:46  <Noldo> yes, but there is something very legendary in II that is changed in 3+
19:14:47  <Tron> it's called "road"
19:16:45  <Wolf01> one way roads require more array space?
19:17:05  <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't played the later ones...
19:17:20  <Noldo> Tron: :)
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19:23:18  <izhirahider> What would be cool would be a rollercoaster tycoon like game :)
19:23:36  <Born-Acorn> OpenRCT!
19:23:42  <izhirahider> right
19:23:47  <ln-> no
19:24:04  <Wolf01> no, if will be like locomotion
19:24:30  <Born-Acorn> RCT was, and still is one of the best sellers of all time.
19:24:54  <Born-Acorn> So you couldn't go wrong with an open source clone. (with new engine and graphics)
19:25:28  <Wolf01> RCT is perfect as is it
19:25:29  <Sacro> RCT3 is amazing
19:26:23  <Wolf01> mmm i want to reinstall RCT2
19:26:38  <smeding> RCT is nice
19:26:43  <Sacro> i want sex :(
19:26:50  <smeding> despite not having played much of RCT2 and none of RCT3
19:26:55  <Wolf01> me too
19:26:55  <smeding> Sacro: don't we all
19:28:14  <Sacro> mm
19:32:43  <MeusH> Sacro, so do I
19:32:53  <MeusH> hmm this may sound wrong
19:33:03  <MeusH> so let's say I want sex with a lady
19:33:09  <MeusH> I think you're not a lass, are you?
19:33:38  <Sacro> MeusH: errm...double negatives are never unconfusing
19:33:48  <Bjarni> MeusH: you mentioned sex and lady and then Sacro forgets to read any other words in your question :P
19:34:09  <Sacro> i dont think you get lasses in #openttd
19:34:12  <MeusH> :)
19:34:19  <MeusH> !grep lass #openttd
19:34:20  <Bjarni> Sacro: lesbians
19:34:21  <Sacro> cept LadyHawk
19:34:25  <Sacro> Bjarni: mmmmmmmmmmm
19:34:30  <Bjarni> see
19:34:40  <MeusH> woow I'm operator on #lesbians
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19:36:09  <Born-Acorn> woo!
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19:36:26  <Bjarni> while [ "1" ] do; echo "lesbian"; sleep 30; done
19:36:26  <Sacro> Born_Acorn!
19:36:33  <Born_Acorn> Sacro!
19:36:34  <Bjarni> that will keep Sacro busy forever
19:36:45  <Sacro> MeusH: now your screwed!
19:36:55  <Sacro> [20:39] * MeusH sets ban on *!*MeusH@*
19:36:55  <Sacro> [20:39] <MeusH> :o
19:36:55  <Sacro> [20:39] * Sacro has kicked MeusH from #lesbians (MeusH)
19:36:55  <MeusH> oh noes :o
19:37:16  <Born_Acorn> I have six forms of hitting people with sticks!
19:37:31  <MeusH> oh noes again :p
19:37:32  * Sacro hits Born_Acorn with his stick
19:37:41  * MeusH hits Born_Acorn with a tusken stick
19:37:47  * MeusH hits Born_Acorn with a lightsaber stick
19:37:52  * MeusH hits Born_Acorn with a dildo
19:37:58  * MeusH hits Born_Acorn with a jelly stick
19:38:03  * MeusH hits Born_Acorn with a wooden shovel
19:38:08  * MeusH hits Born_Acorn with a sticky fish
19:38:14  <Tron> Bjarni: you always manage to complicate things: while true; do ... done
19:38:44  <MeusH> lol Bjarni you've been owned... any yeah, I wondered why 1 was a string
19:38:48  <Sacro> Bjarni: :(
19:39:05  <Bjarni> ---	Bjarni sets ban on *!*@*.com
19:39:16  <Bjarni> Sacro's empire is ruined :P
19:39:19  <MeusH> :o
19:39:22  <Sacro> as is anyone under .com
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19:39:35  <Bjarni> or .uk
19:39:38  <MeusH> --- MeusH sets ban on *
19:39:46  <MeusH> be afraid
19:39:48  <Tron> MeusH: all the "" in the line are superflous. there's nothing but strings in shell scripts
19:40:26  <MeusH> okies, thanks
19:40:32  <Tron> "" are only necessary in conjunction with whitespace and other special symbols
19:40:34  <Sacro> hahaha, im back
19:40:50  <Bjarni> if I wrote it too simple, then Sacro might figure out how it worked
19:41:16  * Sacro prods around
19:41:22  <MeusH> I think secret of Bjarni lies in teletubbies
19:41:32  <MeusH> let's kill teletubbies and see what happens with Bjarni
19:41:38  <Sacro> or vice versa
19:41:46  <MeusH> I think his eyes will pop up and go to hell :)
19:41:59  <MeusH> Bjarni will type "1" everywhere
19:42:15  <Bjarni> "1" everywhere
19:42:21  <Bjarni> hah, I beat you to it :P
19:42:50  * Sacro prods Bjarni with a cactus
19:43:18  * Bjarni is happily out of range of Sacro
19:43:43  <Bjarni> ok channel: grow up
19:43:49  * MeusH casts love spell on Bjarni. Bjarni is now in love with Sacro's cactus
19:43:53  <MeusH> ohh Sacro
19:44:02  <Bjarni> next guy to say something silly will be kicked
19:44:04  <MeusH> I don't want to measure you anymore
19:44:16  <MeusH> maybye Darkvater is still eager to do so, though
19:44:16  <Bjarni> ...
19:44:29  <MeusH> shh. I'm done
19:44:33  <Bjarni> that's not silly, that's crazy
19:44:58  <Bjarni> MeusH: you mean you got measured and now you want to measure Sacro for comparison?
19:45:08  <Bjarni> why Sacro?????
19:45:19  <MeusH> he asked to be a volunteer
19:45:25  <MeusH> but I'm afraid of his cactus
19:45:38  <Bjarni> yeah
19:45:50  <Bjarni> his cactus can be really vicious
19:46:56  <Bjarni> it's also very hard to outrun it
19:47:40  <Sacro> oh it is
19:48:40  * Bjarni sets ban on *!~cactus@*.com
19:48:46  <Bjarni> MeusH: I saved you
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19:49:33  <cacti> :o
19:49:36  <MeusH> thank you Bjarni \o/
19:49:40  * cacti chases MeusH
19:49:41  <MeusH> oh noes
19:50:01  * Bjarni sets ban on *!*@*.com
19:50:08  <cacti> oh :(
19:50:22  * cacti sets ban on Bjarni
19:51:19  *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~cacti@*.karoo.KCOM.COM] by Bjarni
19:51:27  <Bjarni> my ban is more powerful :P
19:51:44  <cacti> ah but my body is more spikey
19:51:55  *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~cacti@*.karoo.KCOM.COM] by Bjarni
19:52:59  <cacti> w00t
19:52:59  <Bjarni> ok playtime is over
19:53:19  *** cacti was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [usage of banned language]
19:54:03  <Sacro> :(
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19:57:27  * Bjarni remembers when #openttd was a channel about coding
19:57:45  * Sacro remembers when it was all about the game
19:57:49  <Bjarni> now it's just a playground for script kiddies and script kiddie wannabes :(
19:58:11  <Bjarni> maybe I better leave for a place where coding takes place
19:58:31  <Sacro> #newsignals :D
19:59:10  <Bjarni> you mean that channel got people, who can code?
19:59:21  <Bjarni> I mean besides when I happen to visit it
20:00:05  <Sacro> well, we are waiting for KUDr, but then i might try and get some people together and try and figure it out ourselves
20:00:14  <Sacro> try and implement as many signal types as possible/needed
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20:09:26  <CIA-2> bjarni * r6345 /trunk/ (window.c window.h):
20:09:26  <CIA-2> -Codechange: AllocateWindowDescFront() now ensures that window_number is set before calling the WE_CREATE event
20:09:26  <CIA-2>  this allows using the window_number in WE_CREATE window event handlers
20:10:31  <Wolf01> 'night all
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20:12:16  <MeusH> Darkvater!
20:17:27  <Bjarni> bbl
20:34:06  <CIA-2> tron * r6346 /trunk/ (gfx.c screenshot.c spritecache.c viewport.c): -Codechange: Remove redundant assignment
20:34:35  <CIA-2> tron * r6347 /trunk/ (gfx.c screenshot.c spritecache.c viewport.c): Undo
20:35:12  <CIA-2> tron * r6348 /trunk/viewport.c: -Codechange: Remove redundant assignment
20:36:22  <CIA-2> truelight * r6349 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib:
20:36:22  <CIA-2> [MakefileRewrite] -Fix: save CC, CXX, CFLAGS and LDFLAGS for a reconfigure (tnx Rubidium)
20:36:22  <CIA-2>  -Note: I am unsure this behavoir is wanted, but not saving it is even more unwanted
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20:42:06  <Plouj> hi
20:42:19  <Plouj> omg
20:42:22  <Plouj> Rens2Sea!
20:42:43  <Rens2Sea> Plouj O_O
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20:46:39  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... looks i found my graphics card cooling problem...
20:46:53  <Eddi|zuHause> the fan does not run at all :p
20:47:36  <Plouj> so yeah
20:47:53  <Plouj> I was reading this:
20:48:15  <Plouj> and at the bottom, it mentions something about the installer, and not needing to copy files if I use the installer, what installer is it talking about?
20:48:32  <Eddi|zuHause> it means that the installer searches for the files
20:48:36  <Eddi|zuHause> so you don't need to
20:48:49  <Plouj> and where does it search for files?
20:48:57  <Plouj> on my original ttd CD, which I don't own?
20:49:08  <Eddi|zuHause> in your existing TTD installation
20:49:11  <Plouj> ah
20:49:20  <Plouj> maybe, someone should make it a little clearer in that wiki page
20:49:47  <Rens2Sea> Plouj,
20:50:10  <Plouj> lol
20:50:20  <Plouj> I already got TTD from the-underdogs, thanks rens
20:50:34  <Rens2Sea> fine
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21:00:16  <Plouj> humm
21:00:57  <Plouj> where do I get sample.dat from?
21:01:13  <Plouj>
21:04:10  <Plouj> nvm
21:04:39  <Jucciz> hm
21:04:44  <Jucciz> you need that one?
21:04:58  <Plouj> not anymore
21:05:19  * Plouj submits a bug for gentoo's OpenTTD ebuild
21:05:27  <Plouj> bah
21:05:28  <Plouj> nvm
21:05:29  <Plouj> rofl
21:05:37  <Plouj> it even said to copy that file, but I couldn't see it
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21:16:55  <CIA-2> bjarni * r6350 /trunk/ (5 files):
21:16:55  <CIA-2> -Codechange: moved some setup stuff into WE_CREATE in PlayerVehWndProc()
21:16:55  <CIA-2>  This is possible now that the window number is known when running WE_CREATE and it's a nicer solution
21:17:06  <Bjarni> AsterixMG: new conflict :P
21:17:59  <Bjarni> but it's a better solution than before
21:19:32  <AsterixMG> hehe, well, in the worst case i have to move all code around ;)
21:19:45  <AsterixMG> but i don't think it will make too much conflicts
21:21:15  <MeusH> Darkvater, ping
21:21:29  <AsterixMG> Bjarni, at the moment i'm trying to get stats for stations working again, but the displaying isn't working yet
21:22:00  <AsterixMG> i tried to reuse some existing strings just to find out, why i used new ones when i last tried :P
21:22:52  <Bjarni> heh
21:25:27  <Bjarni> you are not joining all of it in one patch, are you?
21:25:51  <Bjarni> list sorting should be in a patch with nothing else
21:25:52  <AsterixMG> Bjarni, no, i reverted all changes before i started with this
21:26:36  <Bjarni> tip: make a new checkout so you can have more than one patch applied at any time
21:26:48  <Bjarni> it reduces the time needed to switch between them
21:27:43  <Bjarni> right now I got 4 checkouts I worked in today
21:27:58  <Bjarni> most of the time I keep to just one though
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21:28:41  <AsterixMG> hehe, i currently have 2 checkouts, but one of them has the complete old patch applied and is outdated
21:28:58  <AsterixMG> but its good for reference what i did back then
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21:30:04  <AsterixMG> if you want to have a look at the stats-thing i could upload the current state, even though the display-code isn't finished
21:31:22  <AsterixMG> the list-building seems to work for the current code already, but now i need some code that needs the additional functionality to further test it :)
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21:52:08  <CIA-2> tron * r6351 /trunk/gfx.c: -Fix: Due to some off-by-one errors the width or height of a clipping rectangle could become 0, which isn't sensible. This should fix a very rare and hard to trigger assertion in GfxFillRect()
21:53:01  <Darkvater> \o/ Tron :D
21:53:21  <Bjarni> nice
21:54:19  <AsterixMG> hehe, some random asserts less \o/
21:54:33  <Darkvater> eh no
21:54:38  <Darkvater> some random crashes less
21:54:40  <glx> looks like a FX#176 fix
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21:54:43  <Darkvater> I don't give a damn about asserts
21:55:23  <Tron> assertions are very useful
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21:56:36  <Bjarni> asserts are used to catch input conditions that you didn't expect and to help figure out what went wrong
21:57:30  <Bjarni> having a widget size of 0 could be regarded as unexpected input of widget size
21:57:58  <Bjarni> <glx>	looks like a FX#176 fix <-- it also looks like a fix for the guy on the forum
21:58:06  <Bjarni> they all have one thing in common: slow computers
21:58:07  <Tron> glx: #176? thanks, this spares me searching for the bug report
21:58:28  <Tron> Bjarni: it has absolutly nothing to do with the speed of the system
21:58:48  <Tron> Bjarni: and it's not the size of a widget either
21:59:06  <Darkvater> << and this one
21:59:12  <Tron> if i write "clipping rectangle" i mean "clipping rectangle"
21:59:58  <Darkvater> slow computers?
22:01:01  <Bjarni> one of the bug reports mentioning that this happened more often on slow computers for some odd reason and the guy on the forum use a 400 MHz CPU. I fail to see how it could be related though
22:01:02  <Tron> hm, this looks strange
22:01:07  <Tron> the value cannot be < 0
22:01:12  <Tron> it can only be exactly 0
22:01:20  <Tron> and this should be a valid input for memset
22:01:27  <Bjarni> the code should act the same way nomatter the CPU speed
22:07:02  <Patrick`_> sounds like some bizzare thing
22:07:11  <Patrick`_> but conditions like that are more common in multithreaded
22:07:21  <SpComb> hmm... thread bugs
22:07:23  <Patrick`_> perhaps some OS operation that completes in the background too quickly
22:07:49  <Bjarni> OpenTTD is singlethreaded
22:08:00  <Bjarni> except for saving
22:08:07  <Tron> no, there's absolutly nothing complicated going on
22:08:12  <Tron> Bjarni: and music, and sound
22:08:22  <Tron> it is just a simple off-by-one error
22:08:24  <Bjarni> yeah
22:08:27  <Tron> as i said in the log
22:08:41  <Bjarni> maybe that is what they want us to think
22:08:49  <Bjarni> maybe it's caused by aliens
22:08:51  <Bjarni> :P
22:11:58  * Darkvater kicks Bjarni abducted by aliens? Perhaps, who knows
22:12:02  <Darkvater> shit
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22:12:29  <Darkvater> being too emote today
22:12:30  <Sacro> hmm
22:13:37  <Patrick`_> "we're both grown men, I'd like to think we're better than this" "well, you overestimate me." "touche."
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22:19:11  * AsterixMG goes to bed
22:19:16  <AsterixMG> good night @all
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22:24:33  <Sacro> 24759283595bc9b030a9386340bdec75 :(
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22:27:41  <Sacro> arrrh.... its Mr GoneWacko
22:27:50  <GoneWacko> myes
22:28:30  <Sacro> brb
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22:29:16  <Sacro> there, im back
22:29:32  <Sacro> (%BMem%B):%B[%B178/483M %C14[%C4|||%C3|||||||%C14]%C%B]%B
22:29:34  <Sacro> :|
22:29:59  <SpComb> Logs:
22:29:59  <Sacro> !logs
22:30:23  <Sacro> whoo, coloured nicks
22:30:49  <Bjarni> Sacro: you are speaking garbage
22:31:02  <Sacro> Bjarni: meaning?
22:31:15  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	(Mem):[178/483M [||||||||||]]
22:31:24  <Bjarni> ohh
22:31:26  <Sacro> ah that... was supposed to be memory dsiplay
22:31:33  <Bjarni> now I got a nice display
22:31:33  <Sacro> (%BKernel%B):%B[%BLinux 2.6.17-ARCH i686%B]%B (%BUptime%B):%B[%B51 min%B]%B (%BLoad%B):%B[%B0.58%B]%B (%BCPUCount%B):%B[%B1%B]%B (%BModel%B):%B[%BIntel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz%B]%B (%BClock%B):%B[%B2390.746MHz%B]%B (%BCache%B):%B[%B512 KB%B]%B (%BBogomips%B):%B[%B4785.94%B]%B (%BMem%B):%B[%B207/483M %C14[%C4||||%C3||||||%C14]%C%B]%B (%BTotal Space%B):%B[%B39.0G%B]%B (%BProcesses%B):%B[%B109%B]%B
22:31:36  <Sacro> :|
22:31:51  <Sacro> something somewhere is not quite right
22:31:54  <Bjarni> I got all sorts of  and stuff and no colours at all when you say it
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22:32:07  <Sacro> oh well :(
22:32:20  <Sacro> i should really stop playing with scripts
22:32:45  <Bjarni> now I had to message the last one to myself to see it :/
22:33:16  <Sacro> how comes it dont work here :(
22:33:56  <Bjarni> <-- speak up or do not complain once it's committed ;)
22:34:06  * Sacro commits Bjarni
22:34:33  <Sacro> the lellow one :D
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22:35:10  <Bjarni> lellow?
22:35:23  <Sacro> yesm
22:35:45  <Bjarni> it's mandatory to write in English in this channel
22:36:12  <Tron> <Sacro> how comes it dont work here :( <--- because this channel is - for a very good reason - +c
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22:39:56  <Sacro> Tron: ahh, so i need to find one that isnt :)
22:40:06  <Bjarni> try #lesbians
22:40:15  <GoneWacko> woo
22:40:16  <Bjarni> no wait, you got banned there :P
22:40:28  <valhallasw> _o-
22:41:04  <Sacro> Bjarni: im op now
22:41:10  <Sacro> cos it wanst registerd
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22:48:00  <CIA-2> bjarni * r6352 /trunk/ (aircraft_cmd.c roadveh_cmd.c ship_cmd.c train_cmd.c):
22:48:00  <CIA-2> -Fix: FS#322 Send to depot bug
22:48:00  <CIA-2>  now vehicles can't be sent to a depot when they are already inside a depot
22:48:00  <CIA-2>  before they would remember the order and try to turn around when leaving the depot
22:49:33  <MeusH> Darkvater, let's measure
22:49:50  <Darkvater> ..
22:50:07  <Sacro> :o not again
22:51:19  <Bjarni> MeusH: Darkvater lack equipment to measure you. Less than 1 cm is simply too small
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22:51:47  <MeusH> Bjarni, you kinky boy, we're not gonna measure penises
22:52:00  <MeusH> we're about to do the coding job
22:52:44  <Darkvater> yes but not today MeusH
22:53:25  <MeusH> aww... how about sunday?
22:53:38  <MeusH> it's difficult to catch you recently :)
22:53:48  <Darkvater> perhaps. I have a project meeting on Monday
22:54:30  <MeusH> but are you going to have a spare time at home on sunday?
22:55:27  <Darkvater> MeusH: I do not know
22:56:44  <MeusH> okay...
22:57:15  <Darkvater> sorry about that, but RL's a bitch
22:57:58  <Bjarni> you got married?
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22:59:00  <Bjarni> <MeusH>	Bjarni, you kinky boy, we're not gonna measure penises <-- I didn't say that... you said it. I could also be referring to say hair length
22:59:36  <Sacro> <Bjarni> <MeusH> Bjarni, you kinky boy, we're not gonna measure penises <-- I didn't say that... you said it. I could also be referring to say hair length <- pubic hair?
23:00:32  <Bjarni> you guys are so kinky
23:00:42  <Bjarni> I was thinking about hair on the head
23:00:54  <Sacro> ;) strange place for hair
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23:01:52  <Bjarni> no, the head with the brain activity, but I guess the difference is not that great in your case
23:01:59  <Sacro> oh thanks
23:02:40  <Sacro> mm, think i broke xchat
23:03:02  <Bjarni> wow, big surprise there :P
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23:03:23  <Sacro> some peoples sentances on freenode start with + or -
23:03:34  <Sacro> its like a whopping great big diff file
23:04:45  <ln-> it's sentEnce, not sentance
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23:05:10  <Sacro> ln-: me fail english? thats unpossible?
23:05:27  <CoRnJuLIOx> hey are pre-signals disabled in the latest nightly build?
23:05:59  <Sacro> ln-: sentance gets 812,000 hits on googlefight
23:06:04  <Sacro> CoRnJuLIOx: shouldnt be
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23:09:41  <Sacro> hehe
23:09:59  <CoRnJuLIOx> Sacro: I just built a route with a  load of presignals and whoa does it not work right.
23:10:16  <Sacro> CoRnJuLIOx: hmm
23:10:34  <Bjarni> CoRnJuLIOx: I heard that one before
23:10:46  <Bjarni> so far they have all been the result of user errors
23:11:07  <CoRnJuLIOx> like making a station far bigger than its supposed to be?
23:12:29  <Bjarni> no, like placing signals incorrectly regarding types and where the junctions are
23:12:37  <Bjarni> station size should not matter
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23:13:01  <Sacro> Bjarni: thats not what she said last night ;)
23:13:07  <CoRnJuLIOx> heh
23:13:19  <Bjarni> STATION size should not matter
23:13:44  <Bjarni> Sacro: damn you, but I guess it's not your fault
23:13:45  <Sacro> if the station is too small then the train wont fit in nicely
23:13:59  <Bjarni> you are a product of a bad environment
23:15:14  <CoRnJuLIOx> because whats happening is that two of my four trains are stuck in the station
23:15:33  <CoRnJuLIOx> the signals look fine, but they just keep moving back and forth, not doing anything.
23:15:47  <Bjarni> click on them, check heading for
23:15:54  <Frostregen> do you have a savegame?
23:16:05  <Bjarni> check that you didn't place one way signals facing the wrong way
23:16:56  <CoRnJuLIOx> Frostregen: yeah i got a savegame
23:17:17  <Frostregen> maybe its faster to look there
23:17:22  <Frostregen> link?
23:17:40  <CoRnJuLIOx> err..dont have a fileshare account (or whatever you call it)
23:19:51  <Frostregen> ftp?
23:19:59  <Faux>
23:20:17  <Frostregen> upload it here
23:20:52  <Sacro> mmm, smokey bacon peanuts
23:22:18  <CoRnJuLIOx> ok just a second
23:22:24  <Bjarni> <-- 44 views, 9 votes... the forum users do not really support democracy o_O
23:22:44  <CoRnJuLIOx> i was watching this tutorial video on sketchup, and it appears that flash brings my computer to around crawling speed
23:22:48  <Bjarni> less than 25% bothered to vote
23:23:39  <Nigel> Bjarni, accept a manual vote for #2 please
23:23:50  <Bjarni> looks like I made the screenshot, that's going to win (I made #1 and #2)
23:23:50  <Frostregen> maybe this 9 people just checked back 4 times ;)
23:24:08  <Bjarni> Nigel: why manual... didn't bother to log in?
23:24:23  <Nigel> Bjarni, i'm not even a forum member ;)
23:24:29  <Bjarni> why not?
23:24:31  <Stranger> I'm getting a "game synchronization failed" error
23:24:36  <CoRnJuLIOx> Frostregen: sorry, dont have an ftp account
23:24:40  <Bjarni> howdy Stranger
23:24:47  <CoRnJuLIOx> im trying this thing
23:24:51  <Stranger> hello Bjarni
23:24:55  <Frostregen> you mean client?
23:25:05  <Sacro> grrr, xchat isnt making the channels go bright red on messages
23:25:15  <Stranger> Bjarni I have T3 connection, but I keep getting that and repeated disconnects
23:25:18  <CoRnJuLIOx> arrgh, sorry i mean cliend
23:25:19  <CoRnJuLIOx> client*
23:25:20  <Stranger> sometimes I can play for hours w/ no problem
23:25:20  <CoRnJuLIOx> damn.
23:25:22  <Nigel> Bjarni, many reasons, one of them is 'can't be stuffed'
23:25:28  <Stranger> then it starts cutting out every few minutes
23:25:35  <Frostregen> ok...but i really don'T know any OS which does not have one
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23:25:42  <Nigel> (for now at least)
23:26:07  <Bjarni> Stranger: desyncs are caused by server and client starts to play different games (hence the out of sync, desync), not by lack of bandwidth
23:26:26  <Stranger> hm
23:26:29  <Nigel> I got a 20 page report to write by the end of tonight (it's nearly midday), so yeah
23:26:36  <Stranger> and what about the repeated disconnects?
23:26:40  <Stranger> would that be the same reason?
23:26:50  <Stranger> or can comp usage come into play?
23:27:04  <CoRnJuLIOx> Frostregen: XP, for one, at least its not obvious to me. unless of course you can FTP with Firefox or IE...
23:27:27  <Frostregen> i think you can ...but not sure about upload
23:27:36  <Bjarni> Stranger: it happens if say the server builds a piece of road and your game fails to build it... this should not happen
23:27:37  <Nigel> CoRnJuLIOx, you can FTP and upload via IE
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23:27:45  <Frostregen> you still have the FTP command
23:27:45  <Rubidium> CoRnJuLIOx: you can with IE and you have a commandline ftp
23:27:46  <CoRnJuLIOx> seriously?
23:28:15  <Nigel> CoRnJuLIOx, yeah, ftp://<ftpserver>
23:28:26  <Nigel> CoRnJuLIOx, same in Windows Explorer
23:28:27  <Stranger> hm
23:28:36  <Stranger> well, jsut that it happens so much
23:28:41  <Stranger> is it the version I"m using or something?
23:28:45  <Stranger> I use the latest edition
23:29:00  <Stranger> I got the original game from abandonware, but I had another too
23:29:08  <Stranger> both have the same issue
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23:30:14  <Stranger> lol it just happened again
23:30:22  <Sacro> CoRnJuLIOx: check out FireFTP for firefox
23:30:39  <CoRnJuLIOx> ahh i c...ok im trying to upload it now, tell me if it works
23:30:41  <glx> Stranger: did you try "save the game and restart the server using the savegame" ?
23:30:43  <Frostregen> its here
23:30:48  <CoRnJuLIOx> horray
23:30:58  <CoRnJuLIOx> i learned something new today :-)
23:31:03  <CoRnJuLIOx> dont drink.
23:31:11  <Stranger> i'm not hosting
23:31:29  <glx> ask the host to do it :)
23:31:33  <Sacro> CoRnJuLIOx: beware danes bearing cheese
23:31:40  <Stranger> ok I've dumped extra cpu resources into game
23:31:44  <Stranger> let's see what happens
23:31:53  <Stranger> lol crashed agin
23:32:03  <Stranger> host isn't on
23:32:10  <Frostregen> CoRnJuLIOx: now i need some game info. ottd version? any newgrfs?
23:32:12  <glx> desyncs ARE NOT a cpu problem
23:32:27  <Sacro> glx: true
23:32:31  <CoRnJuLIOx> Frostregen: Using that powerful economy patch thats on the forums
23:32:33  <glx> Frostregen: give us the link
23:32:36  <CoRnJuLIOx> just search for a post in my name
23:32:48  <CoRnJuLIOx> and im usng the latest nightly build
23:32:52  <Sacro> glx: unless its an endian problem
23:33:03  <glx> CoRnJuLIOx: homemade build with some patches?
23:33:14  <CoRnJuLIOx> its r6282, if that helps
23:33:31  <CoRnJuLIOx> actually, there was a precompiled binary (windows)
23:33:39  <Sacro> CoRnJuLIOx: trunk? MiniIN?
23:33:46  <Frostregen>
23:34:11  <CoRnJuLIOx> Sacro: what do you mean?
23:34:25  <Sacro> nightly?
23:35:37  <CoRnJuLIOx> yeah
23:35:38  <glx> I can't load it with r6352
23:35:56  <Sacro> im just building 6304
23:36:25  <CoRnJuLIOx> crap.
23:36:36  <CoRnJuLIOx> i was trying to ctrl+t in windows explorer
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23:37:37  <Sacro> :o A GIRL
23:37:40  <Sacro> ON IRC :D
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23:37:50  <MeusH> goodnight
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23:37:58  <CoRnJuLIOx> not a girl
23:38:05  <Sacro> Emma-chan on freenode
23:38:06  <CoRnJuLIOx> Frostregen: what exactly did you do?
23:38:19  <Sacro> lang/czech.txt:2862: warning: 'STR_VEH_WITH_SHARED_ORDERS_LIST' is untranslated. Tweaking english string to allow compilation for plural forms
23:38:26  <Frostregen> what do you mean?
23:38:31  <Sacro> player_gui.c: In function 'DrawPlayerEconomyStats':
23:38:31  <Sacro> player_gui.c:47: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
23:38:36  <CoRnJuLIOx> the saved game i sent you
23:38:37  <Frostregen> i'm compiling 6282 right now
23:38:56  <Tron> Sacro: the warning in player_gui.c is a bug in GCC 4
23:39:08  <glx> I'm downloading 6282 nightly (faster than compiling :) )
23:39:18  <Sacro> Tron: ah right
23:39:24  <Frostregen> you mean the ftp server?
23:39:31  <Frostregen> this does not come for free with windows
23:40:02  <CoRnJuLIOx> no i thought you messed with the save game
23:40:20  <Frostregen> hm
23:40:26  <Frostregen> whats the size of the file?
23:40:57  <CoRnJuLIOx> 86.7 kb
23:41:03  <Frostregen> exact?
23:41:09  <CoRnJuLIOx> thats how its reported
23:41:15  <Frostregen> look into properties
23:41:24  <CoRnJuLIOx> size on disk: 88.0 kb
23:41:31  <Frostregen> no the real size
23:41:33  <Frostregen> :)
23:41:43  <CoRnJuLIOx> 86.7 kb
23:41:52  <glx> use dir from cmd :)
23:42:04  <Frostregen> there should be a value in Bytes
23:42:10  <Frostregen> right behind the 86,7
23:42:57  <Sacro> openttd: saveload.c:806: SlLoadChunk: Assertion `SlGetOffs() == endoffs' failed.Aborted <-- theres the problem lads
23:43:17  <Frostregen> yup
23:43:26  <glx> yes bad savegames or unknown settings in it
23:43:34  <Frostregen> ok...wheres this economy patch?
23:43:48  <CoRnJuLIOx> tt-forums
23:44:13  <CoRnJuLIOx> made by a guy named Haukinger
23:45:09  <Frostregen> this one?
23:45:29  <Sacro> ooh, LUG meet tommorow
23:45:49  <Stranger> what version of openttd are you guys running?
23:45:56  <Sacro> please let there be someone more linuxy than me :(
23:46:07  <Sacro> last time it was me, 1 mac user, and 3 ubuntu guys
23:46:09  <CoRnJuLIOx> not exactly
23:46:23  <Sacro> Stranger: head
23:46:32  <Stranger> head?
23:46:36  <CoRnJuLIOx>
23:46:38  <CoRnJuLIOx> down at the bottom
23:46:39  * Sacro likes head ><
23:48:01  <Stranger> ;/
23:48:04  <Stranger> this sucks ;(
23:48:06  * glx wonders why this patch is not in dev forum
23:48:40  <Frostregen> maybe it started as an idea
23:51:36  <CoRnJuLIOx> Frostregen: exact file size 88,848
23:51:49  <Sacro> CoRnJuLIOx: your file uploaded fine
23:51:52  <Sacro> i got it right here now
23:52:21  <Frostregen> ok
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23:58:02  <CoRnJuLIOx> brb breakfast time

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