Log for #openttd on 11th September 2006:
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00:03:05  <Belugas_Gone> !seen Maedhros
00:03:05  <robobot> Belugas_Gone: I have not seen Maedhros.
00:03:07  <_42_> Belugas_Gone, Maedhros ( was last seen quitting #openttd 1 day 23 hours 44 minutes ago (09.09. 00:18) stating "Quit: 'night" after spending 16 hours 27 minutes there.
00:06:57  *** Belugas_Gone [] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? Yeaaa..]
00:08:06  <Nigel[CPI]> isn't it a bit pointless to have 2 bots with the same commands?
00:08:27  <glx> !stats
00:08:27  <robobot> glx: I have 4 registered users with 3 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
00:08:29  <_42_> glx:
00:08:50  <glx> oh SpComb disabled his !stats :)
00:16:44  <mikk36[EST]> lol
00:16:46  <mikk36[EST]> Sacro wasn't very popular, getting kicked 13 times!
00:16:46  <mikk36[EST]> For example, like this:
00:16:46  <mikk36[EST]>      *** Sacro was kicked by Bjarni (not funny)
00:16:46  <mikk36[EST]> Bjarni seemed to be hated too: 11 kicks were received.
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01:57:55  <gw280> yo
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04:39:57  * Sacro misses Brianettas Nightly, it comforted me at this time
04:49:35  *** roboschool is now known as roboboy
04:50:44  <roboboy> !network command oftc join #openttdcoop
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05:10:46  <roboboy> ive changed the prefix for robobot to @
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05:12:19  <roboboy> i changed it so it wont complain about valid commands for  _42_
05:14:19  <roboboy> @load ShrinkUrl
05:14:19  <robobot> roboboy: Error: Shrinkurl is already loaded.
05:15:24  <roboboy> you can now type @shrinkurl tiny url to get a link
05:15:56  <roboboy> @list
05:15:56  <robobot> roboboy: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Games, Math, Misc, Network, Owner, Seen, ShrinkUrl, Topic, and User
05:16:08  <roboboy> @load Time
05:16:09  <robobot> roboboy: The operation succeeded.
05:16:15  <roboboy> @load Todo
05:16:17  <robobot> roboboy: The operation succeeded.
05:24:51  <roboboy> @load Url
05:24:51  <robobot> roboboy: Error: No plugin named "Url" exists.
05:24:59  <roboboy> @load Url
05:24:59  <robobot> roboboy: Error: No plugin named "Url" exists.
05:25:11  <roboboy> @load URL
05:25:12  <robobot> roboboy: The operation succeeded.
05:29:58  <roboboy> @stats
05:29:59  <robobot> roboboy: I have 4 registered users with 3 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
05:30:13  <roboboy> @channelstats
05:30:13  <robobot> roboboy: On #openttd there have been 464 messages, containing 16660 characters, 2789 words, 23 smileys, and 12 frowns; 5 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 94 joins, 4 parts, 100 quits, 0 kicks, 9 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.
05:34:47  <mikk36[EST]> mornin' :)
05:35:00  <roboboy> gmorning
05:35:23  <mikk36[EST]> @list
05:35:24  <robobot> mikk36[EST]: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Filter, Games, Math, Misc, Network, Owner, Seen, ShrinkUrl, Time, Todo, Topic, URL, and User
05:35:28  *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36
05:35:50  <mikk36> @time
05:35:52  <robobot> mikk36: 03:36 PM, September 11, 2006
05:36:00  <roboboy> thats my time
05:36:03  <mikk36> east coast ?
05:36:13  <roboboy> !stats
05:36:13  <_42_> roboboy:
05:36:14  <mikk36> nah
05:36:15  <Sacro> morning
05:36:17  <mikk36> asia
05:36:23  <Sacro>
05:36:26  <roboboy> australia
05:36:30  <mikk36> :)
05:36:35  <mikk36> west au ?
05:36:59  <roboboy> east
05:37:06  <mikk36> :/
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05:37:41  <mikk36> and i thought that east au was 8-9 hours ahead
05:37:49  <mikk36> of us, not GMT
05:38:43  <mikk36> ok, +10 GMT
05:38:56  <mikk36> w/ DST
05:40:03  <SpComb> Logs:
05:40:03  <roboboy> !logs
05:40:32  <mikk36> oh damn, no DST :D
05:40:33  <mikk36> :D
05:40:43  <mikk36> that's why i know 8-9
05:40:55  <mikk36> it's +8 in winter for us :)
05:41:01  <roboboy> so theres three bots doing stats in here
05:41:10  <roboboy> !channelstats
05:41:18  <roboboy> @channelStats
05:41:19  <robobot> roboboy: On #openttd there have been 498 messages, containing 17578 characters, 2932 words, 28 smileys, and 16 frowns; 5 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 95 joins, 4 parts, 100 quits, 0 kicks, 9 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.
05:41:28  <roboboy> and two logging
05:42:25  <roboboy> sacro you are 3rd on TL's logs
05:42:53  <mikk36> yah he's tough one to beat
05:43:36  <roboboy> sacros beating him on SpCombs but not TL's
05:44:11  <roboboy> mikk36 do you use any other IRC channels/networks
05:44:21  <roboboy> same for sacro
05:44:24  <mikk36> yes
05:44:34  <mikk36> 5 other
05:44:38  <roboboy> which other networks
05:44:45  <roboboy> or just channels
05:44:54  <Sacro> roboboy: i go by SpComb, its logged the most
05:45:00  <roboboy> ok
05:45:05  <mikk36> freenode, ircworld, quakenet and 2 private
05:45:10  <roboboy> ok
05:45:16  <Sacro> [06:45] <mikk36> yah he's tough one to beat <- you saying im talkative?
05:45:25  <mikk36> :P
05:45:27  <roboboy> you can take robobot on them aswell
05:45:56  <roboboy> @network command server freenode
05:45:56  <robobot> roboboy: (network command <network> <command> [<arg> ...]) -- Gives the bot <command> (with its associated <arg>s) on <network>.
05:46:17  <mikk36> i have others there
05:46:21  <mikk36> so no thanks :)
05:46:29  <mikk36> some of my own, some not
05:46:36  <roboboy> @network command freenode server
05:46:36  <robobot> roboboy: (network command <network> <command> [<arg> ...]) -- Gives the bot <command> (with its associated <arg>s) on <network>.
05:46:46  <roboboy> ok
05:46:55  <roboboy> !list network
05:47:01  <roboboy> @list network
05:47:02  <robobot> roboboy: command, connect, disconnect, driver, latency, networks, reconnect, and whois
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05:47:34  <roboboy> @network connect freenode
05:47:35  <robobot> roboboy: Error: A server must be provided if the network is not already registered.
05:47:35  <mikk36> @network latency
05:47:38  <robobot> mikk36: 1.02 seconds.
05:47:47  <mikk36> high
05:48:01  <roboboy> @network connect
05:48:02  <robobot> roboboy: Error: A server must be provided if the network is not already registered.
05:48:02  <mikk36> mine is 0.0s
05:48:07  <mikk36> according to xchat
05:48:32  <mikk36>
05:48:45  <roboboy> @network connect
05:48:46  <robobot> roboboy: Error: A server must be provided if the network is not already registered.
05:48:54  <roboboy> @network connect
05:48:55  <robobot> roboboy: Error: A server must be provided if the network is not already registered.
05:49:02  <mikk36> :P
05:49:12  <roboboy> @network connect irc:\
05:49:12  <robobot> roboboy: Error: A server must be provided if the network is not already registered.
05:50:18  <roboboy> @network connect freenode
05:50:19  <robobot> roboboy: The operation succeeded.  Connection to freenode initiated.
05:50:23  <mikk36> heh
05:50:50  <roboboy> @network connect ircworld
05:50:53  <robobot> roboboy: The operation succeeded.  Connection to ircworld initiated.
05:51:04  <mikk36> org
05:51:06  <mikk36> :P
05:51:11  <roboboy> hes already on quakenet as thats my primary network
05:51:19  <roboboy> pardon
05:51:26  <mikk36> or
05:51:29  <mikk36> it's the same
05:51:47  <roboboy> @network connect ircworld
05:51:48  <robobot> roboboy: Error: I'm already connected to ircworld.
05:52:16  <mikk36> lol
05:52:28  <mikk36> @network disconnect ircworld
05:52:30  <robobot> mikk36: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think\ that you should have this capability, be sure\ that you are identified before trying again.\ The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're\ identified.
05:52:33  <mikk36> blah :P
05:52:46  <mikk36> remove \ marks
05:52:46  <roboboy> this is the command for connecting to a channel @network command oftc join #openttdcoop
05:52:52  <roboboy> pardon
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05:53:21  <mikk36> whoami
05:53:25  <mikk36> @whoami
05:53:25  <robobot> mikk36: I don't recognize you.
05:53:36  <roboboy> replace oftc with the network and #openttdcoop with the channel
05:53:42  <mikk36> robobot, i'm mikk36
05:53:42  <robobot> mikk36: Error: "i'm" is not a valid command.
05:53:47  <mikk36> :P
05:54:25  <mikk36> robobot, network ircworld join #lfs
05:54:25  <robobot> mikk36: Error: The "Network" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "ircworld" in it.  Try "list Network" to see the commands in the "Network" plugin.
05:54:36  <mikk36> robobot, network command ircworld join #lfs
05:54:38  <robobot> mikk36: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think\ that you should have this capability, be sure\ that you are identified before trying again.\ The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're\ identified.
05:54:38  <roboboy> type /msg robobot register nick password
05:54:42  <mikk36> hehe
05:55:08  <mikk36> robobot, whoami
05:55:09  <robobot> mikk36: mikk36
05:55:12  <mikk36> :P
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05:56:05  <roboboy> what are you doing
05:56:13  <mikk36> ?
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05:56:42  <mikk36> what do u mean ?
05:57:46  <roboboy> robobot wont stay on ircworld
05:57:47  <robobot> roboboy: Error: "wont" is not a valid command.
05:57:50  *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro
05:58:22  <roboboy> it can leave
05:58:29  <mikk36> i aint doing anything
05:58:36  <roboboy> now i know
05:58:57  <roboboy> try messageing it on ircworld
05:59:28  <mikk36> i tried
05:59:36  <roboboy> it wont work
05:59:49  <mikk36> did u get him off ?
06:00:09  <roboboy> @disconect ircworld
06:00:09  <robobot> roboboy: Error: "disconect" is not a valid command.
06:00:16  <mikk36> <roboboy> @network connect ircworld
06:00:16  <mikk36> <robobot> roboboy: Error: I'm already connected to ircworld.
06:00:29  <mikk36> network disconnect ircworld
06:00:35  <mikk36> should be the right order
06:00:46  <roboboy> @list network
06:00:47  <robobot> roboboy: command, connect, disconnect, driver, latency, networks, reconnect, and whois
06:01:08  <roboboy> @list network disconnect
06:01:10  <robobot> roboboy: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins.
06:01:23  <roboboy> @disconnect ircworld
06:01:24  <robobot> roboboy: The operation succeeded.  Disconnection to ircworld initiated.
06:01:26  <mikk36> @network disconnect
06:01:27  <robobot> mikk36: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think\ that you should have this capability, be sure\ that you are identified before trying again.\ The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're\ identified.
06:01:33  <roboboy> heh
06:01:49  <roboboy> i havent made you and op on ircworld
06:01:54  <mikk36> now connect to
06:01:54  <roboboy> but hes left
06:02:35  <roboboy> @connect ircworld
06:02:39  <robobot> roboboy: The operation succeeded.  Connection to ircworld initiated.
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06:06:05  <mikk36> he's still not in ircworld
06:06:12  <mikk36> at least not under nick robobot
06:10:49  <roboboy> grr
06:11:19  <roboboy> how do i get a client list
06:11:26  <roboboy> for a network
06:13:57  <roboboy> @disconect
06:13:59  <robobot> roboboy: Error: "disconect" is not a valid command.
06:14:18  <roboboy> @disconnect
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06:14:40  <Noldo> :D
06:15:20  <Sacro> hehe
06:18:19  <roboboy>  @network connect ircworld
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06:22:51  <roboboy> grr
06:23:00  <roboboy> i cant get it to come back in here
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06:26:29  <roboboy> hard restart of the script fixed it
06:26:37  <roboboy> !list
06:26:46  <roboboy> @channel list
06:26:46  <robobot> roboboy: Error: 'supybot.list' is not a valid configuration variable.
06:26:55  <roboboy> @channellist
06:26:57  <robobot> roboboy: Error: "channellist" is not a valid command.
06:27:00  <Nigel> just an observation, 99% of the stuff that people do here, is already covered by _42_
06:27:20  <mikk36> lol
06:27:32  <Nigel> and you _really_ need to do your 'playing around' in private message
06:28:11  <roboboy> @list channel
06:28:11  <robobot> roboboy: alert, ban add, ban list, ban remove, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, invite, kban, key, kick, limit, lobotomy add, lobotomy list, lobotomy remove, mode, moderate, nicks, op, unban, unmoderate, and voice
06:28:23  <roboboy> !list
06:28:29  <roboboy> @list
06:28:30  <robobot> roboboy: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Filter, Games, Math, Misc, Network, Owner, Seen, ShrinkUrl, Time, Todo, Topic, URL, and User
06:28:54  <roboboy> yep all the plugins are still plugged in
06:29:24  <mikk36> robobot, seen me
06:29:25  <robobot> mikk36: I have not seen me.
06:29:29  <mikk36> robobot, seen myself
06:29:30  <robobot> mikk36: I have not seen myself.
06:29:34  <mikk36> :)
06:29:42  <mikk36> robobot, seen him
06:29:43  <robobot> mikk36: I have not seen him.
06:29:55  <mikk36> sentence generator :D
06:30:01  <roboboy> can you see if its connected to ircworld and freenode
06:30:05  <mikk36> sec
06:30:09  <roboboy> ok
06:30:19  <Nigel> robobot, seen my-prostate
06:30:19  <robobot> Nigel: I have not seen my-prostate.
06:30:24  <mikk36> * [robobot] End of WHOIS list.
06:30:27  <roboboy> thanx its just i know you are on them
06:30:29  <mikk36> that's it
06:30:31  <mikk36> so he's not it
06:30:32  <mikk36> in*
06:30:39  <roboboy> hm
06:30:52  <roboboy> oh well
06:31:08  <roboboy> atleast on freenode i have a channel he can join
06:31:32  <Nigel> roboboy, you can always start a new channel on oftc for it
06:31:50  <roboboy> why
06:32:08  <roboboy> the ops didnt mind it last night
06:32:20  <roboboy> atleast Rubidium
06:32:56  <roboboy> are they still trying to get rid of the old freenode channel
06:34:56  <roboboy> if they arent robobot can live in it
06:35:02  <roboboy> as it still exists
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06:35:44  <roboboy> im just letting it spread
06:36:03  <mikk36> global domination plan ? :D
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06:36:51  <roboboy> sorta
06:37:04  <roboboy> im letting people use it for loggs
06:37:17  <roboboy> thats when it gets a proper server that is
06:37:27  <roboboy> that will be next weekend
06:38:08  <roboboy> robobot's soon to be host is doind a major software upgrade so im just waiting till after that
06:39:14  <roboboy> although i dont need a server, if i could get the dcc plugin which doesnt come with the bot to work, then i could jut dcc the logs
06:39:29  <mikk36> robobot, can it calculate ?
06:39:30  <robobot> mikk36: Error: "can" is not a valid command.
06:39:41  <mikk36> roboboy,
06:39:42  <roboboy> yep
06:40:00  <roboboy> type @math calc whatever
06:40:17  <roboboy> tip try typeing @list
06:40:23  <Sacro> !calc 2^2^2^2
06:40:24  <_42_> Sacro: 65536;
06:40:30  <Sacro> that all?
06:40:33  <Sacro> :(
06:40:47  <roboboy> then for more details on a specific plugin type @list pluginname
06:40:47  <Sacro> !calc 2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2
06:40:48  <_42_> Sacro: Runtime error (func=(main), adr=32): exponent too large in raise;
06:40:55  <Sacro> yeeh :D
06:41:14  <mikk36> @math 18446744073709548580/1024/1024/1024/1024
06:41:14  <roboboy> try doing it with robobot
06:41:14  <robobot> mikk36: Error: The "Math" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "18446744073709548580/1024/1024/1024/1024" in it.  Try "list Math" to see the commands in the "Math" plugin.
06:41:20  <mikk36> @math calc 18446744073709548580/1024/1024/1024/1024
06:41:22  <robobot> mikk36: 16777216.0
06:41:45  <roboboy> @math calc 2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2
06:41:45  <mikk36> @math calc 18446744073709548580/1024/1024/1024/1024/1024/1024
06:41:47  <robobot> roboboy: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
06:41:49  <robobot> mikk36: 16.0
06:42:04  <mikk36> 16 yottabytes of pagefile in use :D
06:42:20  <mikk36> Total Physical Memory:     511 MB
06:42:20  <mikk36> Available Physical Memory: 141 MB
06:42:20  <mikk36> Page File: Max Size:       488 MB
06:42:20  <mikk36> Page File: Available:      3 524 MB
06:42:20  <mikk36> Page File: In Use:         18 446 744 073 709 548 580 MB
06:42:28  <roboboy> @math calc calc 2^2^2^2
06:42:30  <robobot> roboboy: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
06:42:39  <Sacro> !calc 9^9^9^9
06:42:40  <_42_> Sacro: Runtime error (func=(main), adr=14): exponent too large in raise;
06:42:46  <Sacro> !calc 9^9^9
06:42:48  <_42_> Sacro: Runtime error (func=(main), adr=11): exponent too large in raise;
06:42:51  <Sacro> !calc 9^9
06:42:52  <_42_> Sacro: 387420489;
06:42:56  <Sacro> !calc 9^9!
06:42:59  <_42_> Sacro: (standard_in) 2: parse error;
06:43:07  <roboboy> @channelstats
06:43:08  <robobot> roboboy: On #openttd there have been 716 messages, containing 25714 characters, 4233 words, 40 smileys, and 18 frowns; 5 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 100 joins, 4 parts, 103 quits, 0 kicks, 9 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.
06:43:22  <roboboy> you can see why i changed the prefix character
06:44:34  <roboboy> mikk36 do your bots do stats and logs
06:44:45  <roboboy> @list channellogs
06:44:48  <robobot> roboboy: Error: 'channellogs' is not a valid plugin.
06:45:00  <mikk36> stats are seperate (from bot -> mircstats)
06:45:04  <roboboy> @list channel channellogs
06:45:04  <robobot> roboboy: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins.
06:45:10  <roboboy> ok
06:45:31  <roboboy> robobot can give very basic on the spot stats
06:45:32  <robobot> roboboy: Error: "can" is not a valid command.
06:45:42  <roboboy> robobot does logs aswell
06:45:43  <robobot> roboboy: Error: "does" is not a valid command.
06:45:56  <roboboy> you just cant view them at the moment
06:46:07  <roboboy> thats why im getting a server for it
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06:47:15  <roboboy> !list
06:47:21  <roboboy> @list
06:47:21  <robobot> roboboy: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Filter, Games, Math, Misc, Network, Owner, Seen, ShrinkUrl, Time, Todo, Topic, URL, and User
06:47:30  <roboboy> @list filter
06:47:31  <robobot> roboboy: aol, binary, colorize, gnu, hebrew, hexlify, jeffk, leet, lithp, morse, outfilter, rainbow, reverse, rot13, scramble, shrink, spellit, squish, stripcolor, supa1337, undup, unhexlify, and unmorse
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06:48:15  <MeusH> hiya
06:48:22  <roboboy> @filter binary OpenTTD is the best game
06:48:22  <robobot> roboboy: 010011110111000001100101011011100101010001010100010001000010000001101001011100110010000001110100011010000110010100100000011000100110010101110011011101000010000001100111011000010110110101100101
06:48:28  <roboboy> hello
06:48:32  <Sacro> @filter morse yes
06:48:33  <robobot> Sacro: -.-- . ...
06:48:36  <Sacro> :o
06:48:45  <MeusH> !list @filter
06:48:50  <MeusH> !list filter
06:48:53  <MeusH> @list filter
06:48:53  <robobot> MeusH: aol, binary, colorize, gnu, hebrew, hexlify, jeffk, leet, lithp, morse, outfilter, rainbow, reverse, rot13, scramble, shrink, spellit, squish, stripcolor, supa1337, undup, unhexlify, and unmorse
06:49:09  <Sacro> @filter aol lol
06:49:10  <robobot> Sacro: lol<3<3<3
06:49:13  <MeusH> @filter supa1337 Darkvater rocks
06:49:15  <robobot> MeusH: |)/-\|2|<\/8|2 |2o<|<z
06:49:22  <roboboy> @filter Hello MeusH scramble
06:49:23  <robobot> roboboy: Error: The "Filter" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "Hello" in it.  Try "list Filter" to see the commands in the "Filter" plugin.
06:49:30  <Sacro> @filter aol hello MeusH
06:49:31  <robobot> Sacro: hello MeusH:-D:-D:-D
06:49:42  <MeusH> @filter hebrew jewish
06:49:42  <robobot> MeusH: jwsh
06:49:45  <MeusH> :o
06:49:51  <roboboy> @filter scramble Hello MeusH
06:49:52  <robobot> roboboy: Hlleo MsueH
06:50:04  <MeusH> scramble is nice :)
06:50:06  <Sacro> @filter gnu hmm, whats this do
06:50:06  <robobot> Sacro: GNU/hmm, GNU/whats GNU/this GNU/do
06:50:11  <Sacro> :o
06:50:27  <Sacro> @filter unmorse ... --- ...
06:50:28  <robobot> Sacro: SOS
06:50:30  <MeusH> @filter rainbow gay parade lesbian sex
06:50:30  <Sacro> :D
06:50:30  <robobot> MeusH: gay parade lesbian sex
06:50:41  <Sacro> MeusH: its -c or +c or whatever in here
06:50:45  <roboboy> @shrinkurl tiny
06:50:48  <robobot> roboboy: Error: '' is not a valid url.
06:50:51  <roboboy> +c
06:51:00  <MeusH> @help shrinkurl
06:51:02  <robobot> MeusH: Error: There is no command "shrinkurl".
06:51:23  <roboboy> @shrinkurl tiny http:\\nightly
06:51:27  <robobot> roboboy: Error: 'http:\\\nightly' is not a valid url.
06:51:40  <MeusH> @filter squish fishes are all over the palce
06:51:42  <robobot> MeusH: fishesarealloverthepalce
06:51:52  <Sacro> @shrinkurl tiny
06:51:55  <Noldo> oh this is "See roboboy make sense out of his new bot toy"-channel
06:51:56  <robobot> Sacro:
06:52:03  <MeusH> @filter jeffk fishes are all over the palce
06:52:04  <Sacro> Noldo: yup
06:52:06  <robobot> MeusH: FOISHES ARE ALLL OVAR TEH PACSEI
06:52:11  <Sacro> :o
06:52:12  <MeusH> OH YEAH
06:52:19  <Noldo> I wonder why the name and topic imply something else
06:52:23  <MeusH> @filter jeffk oh yeah mummy!
06:52:24  <robobot> MeusH: oheyeah mumey!
06:52:29  <roboboy> why didnt my urls work
06:52:48  <MeusH> use / instead of \
06:53:08  <MeusH> @shrinkurl tiny
06:53:12  <robobot> MeusH:
06:53:19  <roboboy> +c was set when i had the old robobot
06:53:28  <roboboy> @url
06:53:29  <robobot> roboboy: Error: "url" is not a valid command.
06:53:37  <roboboy> @list url
06:53:39  <robobot> roboboy: last and stats
06:53:54  <roboboy> @url stats openttd
06:53:54  <MeusH> nice bot, roboboy
06:53:56  <robobot> roboboy: (url stats [<channel>]) -- Returns the number of URLs in the URL database. <channel> is only required if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
06:54:13  <roboboy> @url last openttd
06:54:14  <robobot> roboboy: (url last [<channel>] [--{from,with,without,near,proto} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Gives the last URL matching the given criteria. --from is from whom the URL came; --proto is the protocol the URL used; --with is something inside the URL; --without is something that should not be in the URL; --near is something in the same message as the URL; If --nolimit is given, returns all the (1 more message)
06:54:31  <roboboy> @url last with openttd
06:54:32  <robobot> roboboy: (url last [<channel>] [--{from,with,without,near,proto} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Gives the last URL matching the given criteria. --from is from whom the URL came; --proto is the protocol the URL used; --with is something inside the URL; --without is something that should not be in the URL; --near is something in the same message as the URL; If --nolimit is given, returns all the (1 more message)
06:54:50  <roboboy> @url last #openttd with openttd
06:54:52  <robobot> roboboy: (url last [<channel>] [--{from,with,without,near,proto} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Gives the last URL matching the given criteria. --from is from whom the URL came; --proto is the protocol the URL used; --with is something inside the URL; --without is something that should not be in the URL; --near is something in the same message as the URL; If --nolimit is given, returns all the (1 more message)
06:54:57  <roboboy> grr
06:55:16  <roboboy> i didnt write the bot its a python script i downloaded
06:57:41  * roboboy homework
06:57:50  *** roboboy is now known as robohomework
06:59:05  <Noldo> oh joy, away nicks too
06:59:34  <robohomework> thats me not robobot
06:59:47  <robohomework> and whats your problem with robobot
07:01:09  <robohomework> Rubidium didnt complain last night and the ops said they didnt mind with my old bot except for when it uses colour and thats why +c is set
07:01:10  <Sacro> its spamming
07:01:19  <robohomework> i geuse
07:01:32  <Noldo> does it give any added value to the channel? No. Does it create anoyance? Yes.
07:02:06  <Sacro> Noldo: i best go too then :(
07:02:13  <robohomework> If someone with powers complains it can go
07:02:54  <MeusH> I'm looking forward to see a game bot
07:03:09  <MeusH> that would be at least somehow useful :)
07:03:27  <robohomework> robobot can do small single person games
07:03:28  <robobot> robohomework: Error: "can" is not a valid command.
07:03:44  * robohomework might learn python so he can write plugins for it
07:04:01  <Noldo> robohomework: and the problem is not the bot but the fact that you learn how to use it on the channel
07:08:11  <robohomework> fine as i said before it can go if an doesnt like it
07:08:24  <robohomework> add op
07:08:44  <robohomework> thats all im adding
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07:18:32  <MeusH> robohomework, I think Noldo meant it would be better if you test it on another channel
07:18:43  <MeusH> and bring it to #openttd when it's ready
07:18:47  <CIA-2> miham * r6438 /trunk/lang/ (brazilian_portuguese.txt dutch.txt):
07:18:47  <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-09-11 09:18:20
07:18:47  <CIA-2> brazilian_portuguese - 1 fixed by tucalipe (1)
07:18:47  <CIA-2> dutch - 7 fixed by habell (7)
07:19:03  <MeusH> so we won't play with @filter and @shrinkurl all the time
07:19:05  <MeusH> here
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07:20:45  <robohomework> i see
07:21:11  <robohomework> i think ive added everything i want adding to it anyway
07:21:40  <robohomework> if the ops dont like a plugin i can dissable it for in here
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07:46:16  <MeusH> hmm there are slightly less people on the channel
07:46:33  <MeusH> we used to have over 100 users
07:46:33  <mikk36> what a disaster :/
07:46:40  <MeusH> ...
07:46:42  <mikk36> MeusH, we used to be in freenode too
07:46:50  <mikk36> which is public network
07:47:00  <mikk36> widely known
07:47:15  <Kjetil> And run by and idiot
07:47:34  <MeusH> still 14 users there
07:47:47  * robohomework is one of them
07:50:50  * robohomework isnt anymore
07:51:20  <MeusH> good robohomework :>
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07:56:43  <Sacro> damnit, i need to sneeze and it wont come out
08:00:21  <robohomework> stupid freenode pm blocking
08:01:19  <robohomework> the user sending the pm has to be registered dont they on freenode
08:03:12  *** robohomework is now known as roboboy
08:04:16  <peter1138> yes
08:04:29  <roboboy> ok
08:04:32  <roboboy> hello
08:04:59  <roboboy> that means people cant register to my bot on freenode unless they are registered
08:05:20  <Sacro> and thats a good thing
08:05:43  <roboboy> sort of
08:05:59  <Sacro> hmm, beechams all in 1 is wierd stuff
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08:15:31  * roboboy back to homework
08:15:40  *** roboboy is now known as robohomework
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08:29:19  <robohomework> hello
08:30:37  <SpComb> Sacro: stand on your head, it helps!
08:31:51  <Sacro> SpComb: does it?
08:32:26  <SpComb> of course!
08:32:30  * SpComb gets the camera ready
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08:33:37  <Sacro> :o
08:35:18  <Sacro> hmm, i was sure that if a product broke, it went back to the supplier, rather than the manufacturor
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08:54:07  <peter1138> Sacro: correct
08:54:12  <peter1138> some suppliers are cocks though
08:54:19  <peter1138> and think it doesn't apply to them
08:54:50  <Sacro> peter1138: i got my mp3 player from, and its broken, its got a 24 month manufacturors warrenty, who should i deal with?
08:54:59  <peter1138> the supplier
08:55:08  <Sacro> even though its over a year old?
08:55:12  <peter1138> oh
08:55:26  <peter1138> well, i'd say yes
08:55:42  <Sacro> also, i use unofficial firmware, its not mentioned on the suppliers site, but is on the manufacturers
08:55:59  <peter1138> does that void the warranty?
08:56:20  <Sacro> well... im not sure
08:56:41  <Sacro> i spoke to them in #rockbox, and they say its worded strangely
09:03:19  <peter1138> well, try the supplier, if not, try the manufacturer...
09:03:33  <peter1138> i had some sennheiser headphones that broke
09:03:40  <peter1138> after about 2 years
09:03:57  <peter1138> i took them back to where i bought them, without a receipt, and they replaced them f-o-c
09:04:14  <peter1138> (and they are still in business, heh)
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09:04:50  <Darkvater> peter1138: ADSL?
09:04:55  <MeusH> bye
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09:05:09  <Darkvater> morning @all :)
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09:08:47  <peter1138> lol, no
09:10:30  <Darkvater> hehe, I knew it
09:13:37  <mikk36> why lol ?
09:16:48  <Darkvater> cause adsl people are evil and enjoy torturing innocent consumers
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09:18:45  <ArmEagle> ah.. so, why was i in ##openttd?
09:18:56  <Darkvater> freenode
09:19:05  <ArmEagle> hmm i'm pretty sure i joined on this network
09:19:30  <ArmEagle> though being on about 5 servers i might have made a mishap
09:19:36  <tokai> maybe netsplit
09:20:09  <ArmEagle> found the silence a bittoo awkward, but never thought about it :)
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09:21:24  <Darkvater> :)
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09:25:09  <roboboy> hello
09:25:29  <roboboy> does anyone have any objections to robobot
09:25:43  <Darkvater> I think one bot is enough
09:25:54  <roboboy> ok
09:26:09  <roboboy> if you wnat i can remove it
09:27:53  <ArmEagle> ah, what bot do we have here then?
09:28:22  <Darkvater> !openttd log
09:28:23  <_42_> Darkvater: r6438 log: WebTranslator2 update to 2006-09-11 09:18:20
09:28:25  <_42_> Darkvater: brazilian_portuguese - 1 fixed by tucalipe (1)
09:28:27  <_42_> Darkvater: dutch      - 7 fixed by habell (7)
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09:28:38  <ArmEagle> oi
09:29:20  <roboboy> !cnannel commands part #openttd
09:29:52  <roboboy> @channel commands part #openttd
09:29:53  <robobot> roboboy: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please\ contact this bot's administrator for more\ information.
09:30:22  <ArmEagle> hehe,maybe just MSG the bot? :P
09:30:36  <Darkvater> lemme help you
09:30:39  *** robobot was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [robobot]
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09:30:52  <Sacro> hehe
09:31:23  <Sacro> bah, parcel force are retarded
09:31:50  <ArmEagle> try a ban :P
09:31:58  <roboboy> @config reload
09:31:59  <robobot> roboboy: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think\ that you should have this capability, be sure\ that you are identified before trying again.\ The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're\ identified.
09:32:32  <ArmEagle> heh, The bots are out of control! Run for cover!
09:32:33  <roboboy> @config reload
09:32:35  <robobot> roboboy: The operation succeeded.
09:32:47  <roboboy> now kicking it should do it
09:32:55  <roboboy> it wont rejoin
09:33:00  <roboboy> it shouldnt
09:33:04  * roboboy dinner
09:33:25  <Sacro> !kick robobot
09:33:54  *** robobot was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [goodbye, farewell, so looong. It's time I have to gooo, goodbyyeeeeee]
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09:33:59  <Darkvater> he
09:34:07  <Sacro> or maybe not...
09:38:09  <peter1138> Sacro: so what's new?
09:38:13  <peter1138> (re parcel farce)
09:45:54  <Sacro> peter1138: apparently the US parcel id and the UK parcel id are different, which makes paying import taxes challenging
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09:56:02  <roboboy> gone
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09:58:58  <roboboy> hello
09:58:58  <mikk36> lol
09:59:15  <roboboy> i found the part command
09:59:59  <mikk36> at last :D
10:00:00  <Brianetta> Hey, look, it's the 11th of September.  Something really bad happened five years ago.  I had moved on, but I'm getting dragged back again. </rant>
10:00:03  <Brianetta> OK, that's off my chest
10:00:12  <mikk36> what ?
10:00:24  <mikk36> Brianetta, u were involved in these things ?
10:00:28  <roboboy> an ip ban on it would cause problems, it would ban me aswell cause its using my ip
10:00:36  <roboboy> terrorists in us
10:00:38  <Brianetta> No more than the rest of the world
10:00:43  <mikk36> ok, fine then
10:00:49  <mikk36> so what's the problem ?
10:00:57  <roboboy> World Trade Centres
10:01:12  <mikk36> i don't think the same way as the US governement wants us to
10:01:12  <Darkvater> *sigh*
10:01:21  <mikk36> i think "loose change" way :)
10:01:25  <Brianetta> The problem is all the rest of the people who were similarly uninvolved bringing it up as conversation, as if it was really the only interesting thing to talk about
10:01:42  <Darkvater> you're bringing it up right now Brianetta
10:01:47  <mikk36> Brianetta, u've seen "Loose Change" ?
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10:02:12  <Brianetta> Darkvater: Only my frustration, not the event.  mikk36: Yes, and I thought it laughable.
10:02:25  <mikk36> :P
10:02:40  <mikk36> still it's more funny to think this way :)
10:02:44  <mikk36> and keeps u happy too :P
10:02:51  <Darkvater> Brianetta: hehe, yeah. Getting irritated as well. They'll even have *live* coverage on tv here
10:02:54  <Darkvater> sad :(
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10:03:49  <Brianetta> Loose Change wasted an hour of my life
10:03:57  <mikk36> wasted ?
10:03:57  <peter1138> moo
10:04:07  <Brianetta> Besides, there's much better stuff to talk about
10:04:11  <Brianetta> like autopilot 2.0
10:04:18  * Darkvater gives peter1138 some grass
10:04:20  <mikk36> so why do u bring it up then ?=
10:04:26  <mikk36> the wtc topic
10:04:26  * peter1138 smokes it
10:04:29  <Nigel_> hmmm, bot free again
10:04:39  <Darkvater> Brianetta: saddened to hear about the nightly being discontinued
10:04:45  <Darkvater> shall we blame peter1138 for it? ;)
10:04:47  <Nigel_> !seen nigel
10:04:48  <_42_> Nigel_, Nigel (Nigel@ was last seen parting #openttd 3 hours 17 minutes ago (11.09. 06:46), after spending 42 minutes there.
10:04:55  <peter1138> blaming me? what did i do? :P
10:05:07  *** Nigel_ is now known as Nigel
10:05:33  <Nigel> heh
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10:06:22  <Brianetta> Darkvater: Well, it was basically because all the interesting test stuff is in branches
10:06:37  <Brianetta> I'll start running a server from 0.5
10:06:42  <Brianetta> but it'll be a stable server only
10:06:44  <Darkvater> peter1138: cause you fail coding interesting stuff ^_^'
10:07:00  <peter1138> feh :P
10:07:12  <peter1138> i've not coded uninteresting stuff either
10:07:15  <Brianetta> Updating an SVN server every night when there's practically no untested code seemed to me to be a waste of effort
10:07:24  <roboboy> why not a miniin server, I understand it would be realy unstable though
10:07:41  <Brianetta> roboboy: I have never even downloaded the miniin.  It simply doesn't interest me.
10:07:49  <roboboy> ok
10:07:57  <Brianetta> It has extra features that will never be in trunk, yet it isn't a fork.
10:08:09  <Brianetta> That lack of direction rules it out for me.
10:09:12  <Darkvater> so..about 911 :) Have you guys heard about the fire fighters?
10:09:40  <Darkvater> They, and a lot of other aid-workers are dying by the bushes because of all the toxic dust, etc. they've inhaled after the event
10:10:10  <Darkvater> These people, who were heroes five years ago, have to go to court now to get the insurance companies pay them their health bills
10:10:34  <Brianetta> Walking heroically into a dust cloud
10:10:39  <Darkvater> and in court they're being un-heroed, called lazy, whatever just so they don't have to pay them
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10:11:03  <Brianetta> It's not so herioc if your great sacrifice is to be recompensed by an insurancve company (:
10:11:10  <Brianetta> heroic, even
10:11:20  <Darkvater> and bush today: "yeah, they were heroes" (but we're not goig to pay, so fuck'em)
10:11:32  <Darkvater> I had to laugh so hard
10:12:25  <Nigel> Darkvater, i guess some of the claims they have a right to decline
10:13:10  <Brianetta> What were the firefighters doing without masks on?
10:13:11  <Nigel> neglagence is one area that i think some claims would be justified to be denied under
10:13:17  <Nigel> Brianetta, exactly
10:13:32  <Nigel> gross and utter incompetence
10:13:35  <Brianetta> This should be employment litigation, not insurance claims
10:13:45  <Darkvater> Brianetta: not just ff'ers but first-aid, relief workers, etc.
10:14:17  <Brianetta> Unilateral volunteers were taking their own risks.  Those working as part of an organisation should have been provided for.
10:14:26  <Brianetta> Same thing applies.
10:14:49  <Darkvater> that's about all I have to say about 911
10:15:14  <Nigel> Darkvater, if the firefighters didn't tell the FAers etc that the risks where about, the the Firefighters were neglagent, if the firefighters did, then the FAers where neglagent, if the FAer wore masks, then the FAer's have beef with the insurance company
10:16:40  <Darkvater> Nigel: they (all of them) were told it was safe
10:17:09  <Nigel> Darkvater, did someone in the NYFD know that it wasn't?
10:18:03  <Darkvater> wasn't there :)
10:20:18  <Brianetta> I still think insurance claims are a bit misguided.  The insurer of the responsible party is liable, not the insurer of the victim (unless they are one and the same).
10:21:03  <peter1138> arrr
10:21:05  <Brianetta> Me, I'd not have helped without protective gear, from what I saw on the telly
10:21:11  <peter1138> our server motherboards have arrived... but not the CPUs :/
10:21:14  <Brianetta> but I'm one of those uncaring types
10:21:24  <Brianetta> peter1138: Major downer
10:21:51  <Brianetta> How are you going to run openttd -D without CPUs?
10:21:54  <Darkvater> Brianetta: I would've helped if family was there... otherwise get the hell out
10:22:04  <Brianetta> Darkvater: Yeah, family.
10:22:18  <Darkvater> it depends on which part of the family though ;p
10:22:21  <Brianetta> or mates
10:22:31  <peter1138> i know!
10:22:33  * Darkvater is very picky
10:22:38  <Brianetta> heh
10:22:39  <peter1138> mmm, 3 dual oppy servers...
10:22:58  <peter1138> wonder how many 2048x2048 maps that'll run
10:23:07  <Darkvater> hehe
10:23:17  <Darkvater> I almost bought a new pc over the weekend
10:23:26  <Darkvater> but failed to win the ebay auction :(
10:24:09  <peter1138> heh
10:24:37  <Darkvater> lol
10:24:49  <Darkvater>      Vice President Dick Cheney voiced that theme yesterday. He
10:24:49  <Darkvater> argued that the Bush administration had made significant progress
10:24:49  <Darkvater> in pacifying Iraq and confronting terrorists and placed blame for
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10:27:21  * peter1138 mutters at painting fences
10:27:24  <Darkvater> by favourite new word since powell proved Iraq had WMD at the UN: a PowellPoint presentation
10:27:33  <Brianetta> The Bush administration un-pacified Iraq in the first place
10:28:00  <Brianetta> US foreign policy
10:28:01  <Brianetta> heh
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10:28:05  <Brianetta> say nomore
10:28:09  <Darkvater> infantile
10:28:28  <Darkvater> < lunch
10:28:40  <peter1138> doobydoob
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10:36:46  * Sacro wants a new system for running a miniin server
10:37:17  <Sacro> >< burping is no good when you have a blocked nose
10:41:22  <peter1138> hmm
10:43:41  <Brianetta> What sort of system do you use at the moment to run a miniin server?
10:43:52  <Sacro> i have my insanly unstable laptop
10:44:09  <Brianetta> Oh, system as in computer
10:44:14  <Sacro> hmm, you'd think that the bbc would broadcast the minutes silence
10:44:15  <Brianetta> I thought you meant system as in routine
10:44:26  <Brianetta> A minutes silence?
10:44:30  <Sacro> or is it not 12:46GMT yet
10:44:30  <Brianetta> meh
10:44:34  <Sacro> im confused
10:44:58  <Gonozal_VIII> [12:44:29] <Sacro> or is it not 12:46GMT yet
10:45:04  <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: ?
10:45:18  <Gonozal_VIII> time
10:45:18  <Sacro> thats not helpful :P
10:46:56  <Sacro> "The media, including the BBC, is reporting that survivors of those lost in the 9/11 tragedy are suffering more due to extended media attention, seeking their views. So what does the media do? They interview them to find out how the extended media attention is affecting them."
10:48:05  <Brianetta> (;
10:48:09  <Brianetta> So, um
10:48:17  <Brianetta> which of my clocks is right?
10:48:21  <Brianetta> Is IRC deemed silent?
10:48:31  <Brianetta> Shoul dI even care?
10:49:14  <Brianetta> hmm
10:49:20  <Brianetta> My IRC clock was wrong
10:50:04  <Brianetta> date
10:50:15  <Sacro> i dunno
10:50:25  <Sacro> im pretty sure i set mine using ntp
10:50:28  <Brianetta> sorry, I meant to type that at my shell
10:50:46  <Brianetta> My work PC and my home PC are in sync to the second, by independant time sources
10:51:02  <Brianetta> I'm comfortable that they're both correct
10:51:25  * PandaMojo uses
10:51:35  <Sacro> Mon Sep 11 11:54:32 BST 2006
10:51:41  <Brianetta> I use the NTP pool
10:52:15  <Brianetta>
10:52:45  <Gonozal_VIII> you are 2 minutes and 57 seconds ahead sacro
10:53:05  <Brianetta> Mon Sep 11 10:53:05 UTC 2006
10:53:07  <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: i was told that last night too
10:53:19  <Sacro> apparently im BST+00:03
10:53:38  <Gonozal_VIII> ^^
10:53:42  <Sacro> right, whats the command to sync
10:54:44  <Brianetta> Depends.  Do you have an NTP service rnning?
10:54:55  <Brianetta> If so, configure it correctrly and do nothing.
10:54:56  <Sacro> errm...daaemon?
10:55:03  <Brianetta> Yes, a daemon
10:55:04  <Gonozal_VIII> <-- i use this
10:55:16  <Sacro> ntp daemon and client running
10:55:22  <Brianetta> Synchronising the clock isn't a desktop task
10:55:26  <Sacro> [11:58] <Gonozal_VIII> <-- i use this
10:55:27  <Sacro> [11:55] <<Sacro>> ntp daemon and client running
10:55:28  <Brianetta> It's a system-wide thing, affecting all users
10:55:30  <Sacro> think it worked
10:56:04  <Gonozal_VIII> i'm the only user on my pc
10:56:49  <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: theres only me, root, and a couple of system users running here
10:57:28  <Brianetta> I treat all PCs as multi-user, including my laptop
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10:57:41  <Brianetta> System time also affects system tasks
10:57:42  <Gonozal_VIII> why?
10:58:17  <Brianetta> Gonozal_VIII: First, consistency.  Second, others might occasionally use my PC.
10:58:29  <Gonozal_VIII> ok..
10:58:37  <Brianetta> Third, multi-user is an operating paradigm, not just a user count.
10:58:52  <Sacro> yes, even though theres only me, i never use root
10:59:15  <Gonozal_VIII> <-- winxp user
10:59:29  <Brianetta> Windows 95, for example, is a single user system.  That user is the only user, and everything the computer does is done as that user.  This means that worms, etc, are capable of anything.
11:00:00  <Brianetta> That also means that system-wide stuff (such as setting the clock) are desktop concepts
11:00:08  <Brianetta> because it's all the same
11:00:26  <Sacro> yeah
11:02:53  * Sacro sets his clock to 1157972572
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11:03:16  <Brianetta> 1157972596
11:03:17  <Brianetta> 1157972597
11:03:18  <Brianetta> 1157972598
11:03:25  <Sacro> etc... :o
11:03:26  <Sacro> :p
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11:05:02  <Nigel> Vista has good user control i think, i'm actually logged in, my account is set Administrator rights, but nothing is running as admin
11:05:37  <Nigel> hmmm, yeah, just checked, nothing running Privledged atm
11:05:49  <Sacro> Nigel: no it really doesnt
11:06:10  <Nigel> and i.e., thats even less privledged
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11:06:27  <Brianetta> Your ccount isn't administrative if you're not running privileged
11:06:41  <Brianetta> You're just listed as able to switch to the administrative account
11:06:50  <Sacro> a la sudo?
11:06:57  <Brianetta> That's like being listed in the sudoers file in Linux
11:07:17  <Nigel> Brianetta, my account is privledged, i just get to choose when to run programs to my full capabilities
11:07:18  <Sacro> i find that a lack of vi knowledge stops me hacking sudo
11:07:24  <Nigel> not yet exactly...
11:07:29  <Brianetta> Nigel: Sounds like you misunderstand it
11:07:47  <Nigel> with sudoer's you can actually choose what commands someone can run
11:07:49  <Brianetta> Sacro: You can use other editors
11:07:55  <Nigel> (as privledged)
11:08:07  <Sacro> Brianetta: i know, but i want to learn sudo
11:08:10  <Sacro> s/sudo/vi
11:08:13  <Sacro> /
11:08:15  <Brianetta> heh
11:08:36  <Darkvater>  /c
11:08:39  <Darkvater> eek
11:08:52  <Sacro> ?
11:09:11  <Brianetta>
11:09:13  * Sacro wonders if Darkvater's eek means i should be wary
11:09:28  <Darkvater>  /c << clear screen in irssi
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11:10:05  <Sacro> Brianetta: ooh, vim book, and charity
11:10:15  <Brianetta> (:
11:10:37  <Brianetta> OK, Susan's arrived at the office.  She's on a diet, so I'm off to buy cakes for the office.
11:10:41  <Sacro> now, do they accept paypal
11:10:43  <Nigel> Brianetta, my user account is privledged, it's got Administrative rights, it just tells me when i need to actually use them, and give me a choice to continue or cancel, with linux, all accounts are unprivledged and i have to explictally gain access to the privledged account (which is the equiv of LUA in Vista/XP)
11:10:53  <Sacro> Brianetta: thats cruel
11:10:59  <Brianetta> I am cruel
11:11:04  <Sacro> Nigel: yes, but linux only asks the once
11:11:17  <Gonozal_VIII> 350 page manual for a text editor? :O
11:11:21  <Darkvater> Sacro: does it?
11:11:29  <Nigel> Sacro, hmmmm, no....
11:11:36  <Darkvater> I thought it only caches the pw for about 10 minutes within the same terminal
11:11:44  <Sacro> haha, the BBC have screwed up
11:11:49  <Nigel> Darkvater, correct
11:12:03  <Sacro> Darkvater: by defauly
11:12:11  <Sacro> but doesnt LUA just keep on asking
11:12:12  <roboboy> i thought it was it only required the password if you opened a new terminal
11:12:20  <Nigel> Sacro, personally, i like been asked every time
11:12:30  <Sacro> BBC site says minutes silence is at 12:46 GMT, but it hasnt happened yet...
11:12:30  <Nigel> at least i know exactly what i'm allowing
11:13:12  <Turski> Nigel: u should know that without asking -_-
11:13:26  <Sacro> Turski: my point exactly
11:13:45  <Sacro> i like to be able to type "ps -A" and recognise everything
11:14:02  <Gonozal_VIII> isn't it now 12:14 gmt?
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11:14:14  <Turski> yep
11:14:14  <Sacro> and giggle at "2959 ?        00:00:08 wnck-applet"
11:14:16  <Nigel> i'll just add at this point, that i do use linux, and i do use freebsd, and personally, i perfer Vista's handling, over others
11:14:26  <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: no, 12:14 BST
11:14:38  <Gonozal_VIII> bst?
11:14:40  <Turski> Nigel: :F
11:14:43  <Sacro> british summer time
11:14:47  <Sacro> GMT == UTC
11:14:47  <Nigel> Gonozal_VIII, GMT+1
11:15:06  <Sacro> BST = (GMT||UTC) + 1
11:15:07  <Turski> damn, i need second hard drive so i can try Vista
11:15:15  <Turski> is it still free beta?
11:15:25  <Sacro> Turski: depends where you look
11:15:43  <Gonozal_VIII> your summer time and winter time exist parallel?
11:15:44  <Darkvater> it's free
11:15:44  <Turski> hehe
11:15:53  <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: eh?
11:15:55  <roboboy> ive heard all the betas will work untill Vista is released
11:16:16  <Darkvater>
11:16:25  <Turski> then i need only second hard drive.... and they costs too much
11:16:40  <Sacro> Darkvater: damn, and i thought i was l33t for getting it from bittorrent
11:16:52  <Turski> but i still prefer linux
11:17:03  <Nigel> Turski, legally vista is no longer open beta
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11:17:16  <Turski> :O
11:17:29  * roboboy prefers Ubuntu but is being forced to use xp at the moment
11:17:49  <Noldo> Gonozal_VIII: they do, but only one is officially used
11:17:52  * Turski prefers ubuntu with big K
11:18:02  <Turski> :)
11:18:04  <Sacro> ooh nah, Arch ftw
11:18:27  <Nigel> Darkvater, thats only if you a CPP member though from memory
11:20:31  <Turski> is there yet viruses for vista? :>
11:20:33  <Darkvater> ah
11:20:35  <Darkvater> well didn't try
11:20:40  <Darkvater> don't even wanna try
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11:21:22  <Darkvater> I read though that everyone can install it, just you have to activate after 15 days
11:21:27  <Sacro> Turski: probably
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11:22:27  <Nigel> Darkvater, I got an email today, they are reopening the CPP soon
11:23:06  <Nigel> "Get Your Hands on Windows Vista RC1
11:23:07  <Nigel> Windows Vista Release Candidate 1 (RC1) has been released and will be publicly available in the coming days. For updates, please visit the Web site."
11:23:10  <roboboy> wouldnt certain viruses work fine on vista
11:23:27  <Turski> viruses <3
11:23:27  <Sacro> i know some work under wine
11:23:32  <Turski> hehe
11:23:37  <Turski> have tried? :)
11:23:38  <roboboy> ouch
11:23:42  <Nigel> roboboy, some would i guess, but the best prevention, is know how to use your system
11:23:47  <Sacro> i downloaded IE7RC1 in wine :P
11:23:54  <Turski> haha
11:23:57  <roboboy> yeah
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11:24:17  <roboboy> ie1 is pretty good compared to ie6
11:24:29  <roboboy> ^ie7
11:24:40  <Nigel> ie7 is 10 times better still in Vista
11:24:40  <Gonozal_VIII> ie sucks
11:24:55  <roboboy> of couse
11:24:59  <roboboy> i know
11:25:04  <roboboy> but not as much
11:25:04  <Sacro> ie is crap
11:25:16  <Nigel> more difference than IE6 was for XP compared to others
11:25:36  <roboboy> ie7 isnt total crap anymore
11:25:58  <Gonozal_VIII> half crap then?
11:26:19  <Nigel> i'm using about 100kb less memory, than i would be if i was using FF right now
11:26:39  <Gonozal_VIII> 100mb?
11:26:43  <Sacro> yeah, but id rather loose the 100kb and have w3c complience
11:26:47  <Nigel> err yeah, MB
11:26:58  <Nigel> bad day
11:27:01  <Kalpa^> Whine whine
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11:27:10  <Nigel> i thought KB was wrong, but i stuck with it
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11:27:55  <Gonozal_VIII> ff uses all the memory it can get.. don't know why
11:28:24  <Nigel> it's the content of the site that matters for me, i don't really care how it looks, if i see an absolutely fantantisc design i may comment, but other than that, i just want to see how great the site is
11:28:31  <Nigel> err the content is
11:28:49  <Nigel> god, i think i should go to sleep pretty soon
11:30:50  <Nigel> like if i look at my bank's design, or Studylink (NZ Student Loan agency), i could come up with thousands of reasons why i don't like the design, but i'd just there for the content
11:31:11  <Sacro> i check to see how well the content is coded
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11:32:09  <Nigel> i'd sooner complain about someone doing something illegal, than them having a crap website design
11:39:07  <peter1138> crap website designs should be illegal
11:41:35  <peter1138> or rather, crap coded website designs...
11:44:20  <Nigel> as long as i get what i want, i don't care
11:45:11  <Sacro>  peter1138 true
11:45:15  <Sacro> has some interesting things to note
11:45:35  <roboboy> id be in jail for my sites design/code
11:45:42  <roboboy> its a giant mess
11:46:01  <Sacro> roboboy: yes
11:46:05  <Sacro> as would Microsoft
11:47:13  <Darkvater> Sacro: such as?
11:47:21  <roboboy> my site started out as a veture from what we learnt at school, i then just started pileing stuff on
11:47:35  <Sacro> Darkvater: 3 x </p> with no <p> :S
11:47:41  <Darkvater> I've fixed that
11:47:49  <Sacro> and quite a few name= with no id=
11:48:23  <Darkvater> screw that :)
11:49:10  <Sacro> line 102 105 and 152 have </p>, but they start at a <div>
11:49:47  <Darkvater> line numbers say nothing to me
11:49:58  <Darkvater> which page?
11:50:07  <Sacro> homepage
11:50:25  <Brianetta> heh, cakes
11:50:30  <Sacro> cakes?
11:50:36  * Darkvater is not responsible for that
11:50:37  <Sacro> ahhh
11:50:47  <Darkvater> I cannot enforce how people write the news-entries
11:50:58  <Brianetta> cakes for an office with dieters in it (:
11:51:20  <Sacro> = more cakes for Brianetta?
11:51:23  <Gonozal_VIII> evil you
11:51:25  <Darkvater> Brianetta: sweet, all for you :D
11:52:38  <peter1138> <p/> was a new one on me, i must say
11:52:49  <Born_Acorn> peter1138! newsounds!
11:52:52  <Brianetta> Last week it was cookies
11:52:56  <Brianetta> but cookies didn't break them
11:53:07  <Brianetta> then one suggested that it was as well I hadn't bought cakes
11:53:10  <Brianetta> muahahahahaha!
11:53:27  <Brianetta> I will break their pathetic 2 week crash diet schemes
11:53:30  * Born_Acorn is currently eating : Maryland Chocolate Chip Cookies (5/7 eaten)
11:53:41  <Brianetta> It's not like there's any physiological benefit possible
11:53:55  * peter1138 is currently coding : Nothing related to OpenTTD (0% complete)
11:53:56  <peter1138> :P
11:54:06  * Brianetta is currently eating: Walnut cake (1/2 slices eaten)
11:54:22  * Sacro currently has a cold, (Estimated time remaining: unknown)
11:54:22  <peter1138> everyone knows that dieting without exercise really works...
11:54:26  * Darkvater is currently picking his nose (40% done)
11:54:31  <Brianetta> Next in eatlist: Starwberry and vanilla swiss roll
11:54:36  <peter1138> o_
11:54:39  <peter1138> hmm
11:54:45  <peter1138> < pirate
11:54:46  <Darkvater> 50%
11:55:02  <Brianetta> I tell you, excercise without diet doesn't work
11:55:14  * peter1138 offers Darkvater a hammer drill
11:55:17  <peter1138> Brianetta: quite
11:55:18  <Brianetta> I have strong abdominal muscles with squishy fat layered over them
11:55:31  <Brianetta> It bloody *should* work
11:55:38  * Darkvater gladly appreciates the offer
11:56:05  * Darkvater is also currently bored: (5 out of 8 hours)
11:56:16  <Brianetta> Since the high level bridge closed to pedestrians, I now have to go down Castle Stairs to the quayside, then up bottle bank to get to work - then back in the evening, inaddition to the slog up Westgate Hill
11:56:25  <Brianetta> and what happened?  I gained weight in muscles.
11:56:50  * Sacro considers a day trip to newcastle
11:57:08  <Darkvater> dieting is overrated
11:57:13  <Darkvater> it's only done by lazy people
11:57:14  <Brianetta> Sacro: I just spent a week in London, and my opinion of Newcastle as an interesting place changed markedly
11:57:37  <Gonozal_VIII> too lazy to eat?
11:57:52  <Sacro> Brianetta: id love to go to London, but im lacking in money, and petrol
11:58:03  <Brianetta> Don't drive there, god
11:58:05  <Brianetta> no
11:58:08  <Sacro> and the ability to go on motorways...
11:58:21  <Darkvater> Gonozal_VIII: too lazy to do any goddamn exercise
11:58:28  <Brianetta> You want to use London's public transport, because it'sintegrated and works
11:58:30  <Gonozal_VIII> [13:58:07] <Sacro> and the ability to go on motorways... <-- why that?
11:58:50  <Brianetta> Gonozal_VIII: Provisional license has a provision against motorway driving
11:58:59  <Gonozal_VIII> oh
11:59:20  <Darkvater> wow, that's kinda sick
11:59:32  <Brianetta> That, or Sacro rides a moped or motorbike under 100cc
11:59:34  <Darkvater> driving in town is far more dangerous than a motorway
11:59:45  <Brianetta> Darkvater: Only for pedestrians
11:59:52  <Darkvater> ;p
12:00:04  <Brianetta> and only because they're not allowed to walk on motorways
12:00:06  <Sacro> Brianetta: its under 50cc that arent allowed on motorways, the 30mph restrictor makes them a tad lethel
12:00:20  <Brianetta> Sacro: I wouldn't like to take a 50 out there
12:00:27  <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: im on a provisional, but i have a 125cc
12:00:56  <Sacro> Brianetta: most fun ive had was A19 around middlesborough, 4 lanes wide, and i was in the 3rd :|
12:01:19  <Brianetta> I failed my first driving test, and have not taken a second
12:01:23  <Brianetta> I dislike driving
12:01:33  <Sacro> ive only driven a car once
12:01:36  <Brianetta> I've also given up cycling
12:01:42  * roboboy may never be allowed to drive
12:01:49  <Born_Acorn> Thank Lord!
12:01:54  <roboboy> why
12:01:59  <Brianetta> I have a bicycle, still, but it's so dangerous in the city
12:02:11  <Born_Acorn> I can go onto the streets without fear!
12:02:20  <Brianetta> If I lived in the country, of course, a bicycle would be a must
12:02:22  <Sacro> bicycles are fun
12:02:24  <Sacro> and healthy
12:02:25  <roboboy> but i live in AUS
12:03:04  <Brianetta> but the one-way system in Newcastle, which pitches the cycle lanes in with the traffic, between parking spaces and busy lanes, is deadly
12:03:15  <Brianetta> Only the bus drivers seem to be aware of cyclists
12:03:30  <Brianetta> Taxi drivers are utterly unpredictable
12:03:39  <Brianetta> They've collided with my bike before
12:03:47  <roboboy> in Sydney the bus drivers hate the cyclists cause they take refuge in the busslanes
12:04:04  <Brianetta> In the UK, we have bus & cycle lanes, and we have no-car lanes
12:04:15  <Brianetta> Take your pick, but cycles always share with buses
12:04:20  <Brianetta> and sometimes articulated lorries
12:04:39  <Brianetta> The open countryside is fabulous for cycling
12:04:47  <Brianetta> You can hear traffic from half a mile, easily
12:05:00  <roboboy> in Sydny if you are over 13 you have to ride on the road. They have bike lanes on some roads but not all
12:05:20  <Brianetta> Riding on the pavement in the UK carries a maximum £1000 fine
12:05:30  <Brianetta> It's rarely enforced, though
12:05:37  <Sacro> yeah, never around here
12:05:41  <Brianetta> since the police understand that the road isn't safe
12:06:03  <Brianetta> Giving a backie (two on a bike not designed for it) carries £2000
12:06:08  <Sacro> really?
12:06:11  <Brianetta> really
12:06:12  <Sacro> croggie :P
12:06:21  <Brianetta> Maximum
12:06:39  <Brianetta> If you do that on the one-way you're more likely to face prosecution than doing it on an estate pavement
12:07:01  <Darkvater> UK police would have a field-day in Holland :)
12:07:16  <Sacro> i once got told off for riding the wrong way down a one way street with no lights in the dark
12:08:58  <Brianetta> Sacro: Good job too!
12:09:10  <Brianetta> Darkvater: They would, except they'd all be stoned in hash bars
12:10:09  <Sacro> or with cameras watching for speeders
12:10:24  <Brianetta> Sacro: Speeders kill.
12:10:43  <Sacro> so do most things
12:10:54  <Brianetta> The set of people who drive too quickly, and the set of people who drive dangerously, have a 99% overlap
12:11:06  <Sacro> true
12:11:13  <Brianetta> The speed limit is a maximum, not a goal
12:11:27  <Sacro> and it should be raised
12:11:31  <Brianetta> I think drivers convicted of speeding should have to re-take their driving test.
12:11:37  <Brianetta> No, it should not be raised
12:11:45  <Sacro> i think you should be able to vote retards off the road
12:12:03  <Brianetta> Laws of physics don't change because cars get better handling
12:12:51  <Brianetta> until people come fitted with reinforced spines, etc, the speed limit should stay where it is
12:12:54  <Darkvater> you obviously don't drive a car Brianetta
12:13:04  <Brianetta> Darkvater: By choice
12:13:08  <Darkvater> you have no idea how dangerous low speed-limits are
12:13:17  <Brianetta> How are they dangerous?
12:13:30  <Sacro> ive seen more near misses due to some daft old woman pulling out slowly than at high speed
12:13:48  <Brianetta> Why a near miss?
12:13:57  <Brianetta> because the other vehicle was going much more quickly?
12:14:07  <Darkvater> they are dangerous due the fact that everyone is unrestful and start doing the most idiot things. yes you could say we should change, but that's not going to happen
12:14:11  <Sacro> because the other was doing the speed limit
12:14:17  <Brianetta> Exactly
12:14:20  <Brianetta> that's a maximum
12:14:22  <Darkvater> just take an example at Germany, where there is no speed limit, only advised speed
12:14:30  <Brianetta> Darkvater: Only on autobahn
12:14:31  <Sacro> yes, the UK should have that
12:14:42  <Darkvater> and no, they don't have more deaths, in fact, even less than other countries
12:15:01  <Sacro> i think there should be a place where you can report bad drivers, and get them off the roads, or at least retrained
12:15:03  <Brianetta> Most of the collisions I witness, and all of the times I've been hit by cars, have been in the city
12:15:07  <Brianetta> where the limit is 30
12:15:16  <Darkvater> of course I'm talking about the autobahn. I wouldn't want to have a limit of 120km/h inside a town/village or whatever
12:15:21  <Sacro> because people dont pay enough attention
12:15:23  <Brianetta> and people drive at 30 all the time, regardless of visibility, weather and ongoing traffic conditions
12:15:46  <Brianetta> Blind corners are a good one
12:15:51  <roboboy> in school zones in NSW the limit is 40 km\h and somepeopl stare at there spedo to make shure they dont go over
12:16:03  <Sacro> i know people who dont like going on motorways because of the high speeds, and i think that kind of sort shouldnt be allowed to drive
12:16:09  <Brianetta> roboboy: If they went at about 30km/h, it wouldn't be an issue
12:16:17  <roboboy> or thats what they complained theyed have to do when they were inroduced
12:16:23  <Brianetta> but people seem to think that the speed limit is the target speed
12:16:31  <Brianetta> when it's an absolute upper bound
12:16:42  <roboboy> yeah
12:16:50  <roboboy> sacro i dont agree
12:16:59  <Brianetta> Where there are speed limits, drivers who exceed them should be punished
12:17:12  <Darkvater> I agree; on one condition
12:17:18  <Darkvater> those speed limits should be sensible
12:17:28  <roboboy> yeah i may not be allowed to drive
12:17:29  <Brianetta> There are miniumum speed limits on some roads in the UK
12:17:33  <Darkvater> there are tons of speed limits in Holland for no reason at all, just to annoy the drivers
12:17:33  <Brianetta> The signs are blue and round
12:17:40  <Brianetta> Those signs do not appear on most motorways
12:17:48  <Darkvater> and people ignore them for a reason, and sadly, not just those, but also valid ones
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12:18:19  <Darkvater> on another note: I'm going to the UK in 3 weeks. Never driven on the 'wrong side' so watch out ;p
12:18:57  <Brianetta> Darkvater: Yellow signals mean stop, but don't be surprised if cars around you interpret it as "accelerate"
12:19:48  <Darkvater> yellow for me is: push the pedal to the metal if you're close enough to squeeze through
12:19:53  <Darkvater> (sadly)
12:20:14  <Darkvater> but only on roads I know by heart and I pass every day so I know there are no consequences
12:20:16  <Brianetta> don't be an amber gambler
12:20:31  <Brianetta> it's trechnically described as an amber signal (:
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12:20:48  <Sacro> Darkvater: me too
12:21:04  <Brianetta> Sacro: I got hit by a driver who did that once.
12:21:07  <roboboy> my parents do it aswell
12:21:11  <Darkvater> youhave to face it: nobody is going to stop if the lights 20 meters in front of you are turning yellow/amber and you're goin 80
12:21:11  <Sacro> it means "warning, next light might be red" :p
12:21:15  <Brianetta> I was on a pedestrian crossing over the other side of the junction
12:21:34  <Sacro> i think there should be laws concerning how close a crossing is to a junction
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12:21:45  <Sacro> round here they put them on roundabout exits, its lethel for a motorbike
12:21:55  <roboboy> my parents only do it if they are close enough, and mainly if they are in a rush
12:22:48  <roboboy> does anyone want to know why i may not be allowed to drive
12:23:09  <Brianetta> GRGRGRGRRRR
12:23:17  <Sacro> roboboy: because your dangerous?
12:23:18  <Brianetta> I sent a user a new mouse inthe internal courier
12:23:26  <roboboy> nope
12:23:28  <Brianetta> and they sent me their broken mouse by return
12:23:34  <Sacro> Brianetta: twas kind of em
12:23:37  <roboboy> I have CP
12:23:42  <Darkvater> CP?
12:23:51  <Brianetta> I sent them an email.  "Sheila, Thanks for the mouse.  I have popped it into the bin for you."
12:24:08  <Sacro> roboboy: copy protection?
12:24:15  <roboboy> no
12:24:15  <Darkvater> run decss
12:24:26  <roboboy> Cerebral Paulsy
12:24:35  <Sacro> roboboy: ahh, sorry to hear that
12:24:36  <Brianetta> roboboy: It's because you have CP.
12:24:50  <Darkvater> wth is t hat?
12:24:55  <Sacro> Brianetta wins! (though i think he may have cheated!)
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12:25:04  <Brianetta> CP sufferers sometimes black out.  This is deemed an unacceptable risk by the DVLA.
12:25:04  <Sacro> roboboy: one of my friends has that, and she is learning to drive
12:25:21  <roboboy> i dont get blackupts
12:25:28  <Darkvater> this channel is full of weird people
12:25:30  <Brianetta> roboboy: I'm sure they care.
12:25:31  <Sacro> Brianetta: old people do too
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12:25:40  <roboboy> i think its the the response time
12:25:59  <Brianetta> let's see
12:26:02  <Sacro> my mum forgets to change from 3rd to 1st to pull out, i think the dvla should get her off the road
12:26:06  <Brianetta> I say bang, you say "ooh!"
12:26:07  <Brianetta> ready?
12:26:10  <Brianetta> bang
12:26:10  <roboboy> CP is a disablity that affects peoples muscle control
12:26:27  <Brianetta> well, that reaction time's terrible!
12:26:42  <Sacro> Brianetta: drivers dont suffer from IRC lag :p
12:26:53  <roboboy> i didnt see it till too late
12:26:55  <Brianetta> Sacro: No, they suffer from eye-hand/feet latency
12:27:24  <Brianetta> besides, I can ping and subtract that result
12:27:53  <roboboy> gnight
12:28:04  <Brianetta> nighty-night
12:28:09  <Brianetta> nightly server
12:28:16  <Sacro> yes please
12:28:19  <Sacro> night roboboy
12:28:22  <Darkvater> gn
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12:41:10  <Brianetta> OpenTTD needs an on-screen clock that shows the game-time, and trains should have timetabled orders.  Game-time and game-date would not have to be related to each other.
12:41:54  <Sacro> yes
12:41:55  <Brianetta> Trains with an order which has a time associated would wait for that time before executing that order.
12:42:28  <Brianetta> Late trains wouldn't wait
12:42:37  <Brianetta> unless 6 hours late (assuming a 12 hour day)
12:42:44  <Noldo> Brianetta: that would have no sense unless the pasangers would react to the time too
12:42:54  <Brianetta> Noldo: It would have sense
12:43:06  <Brianetta> It would give players control over their congested bits
12:43:25  <Brianetta> Timetables were never for passengers' benefit
12:43:30  <Brianetta> they were for organisational benefit
12:43:59  <Brianetta> Before telecommunications, signalmen had to know which train to expect when, in order to set points
12:44:27  <Brianetta> and timetabling would allow for large signal blocks at junctions, if it could be guaranteed that trains wouldn't all arrive at once
12:44:42  <Brianetta> and duplex track would become a doddle
12:44:51  <Brianetta> passing places located as per timetable
12:45:08  <Sacro> or vice versa
12:45:14  <Brianetta> yes
12:46:03  <Brianetta> Each 2 second day could also represent a 5 minute time span
12:46:18  <Brianetta> or less
12:46:28  <Brianetta> 1 minute per day, perhaps
12:46:41  <Brianetta> Yeah, I think that smells right
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12:59:07  <mikk36> as for timetables, 1 second per half an hour is way too small
13:03:02  <Brianetta> I suggested one minute per day
13:03:16  <Brianetta> which is 1 hour every half minute
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13:03:38  <mikk36> <Brianetta> 1 minute per day, perhaps
13:03:47  <Brianetta> yes
13:03:56  <mikk36> 1 minute = 60 seconds
13:03:57  <Brianetta> One game-day is 2 seconds
13:04:08  <Brianetta> One timetable minute would be 2 seconds
13:04:14  <mikk36> oh, ok
13:04:20  <Brianetta> You had the fraction upside down
13:04:37  <Brianetta> (:
13:04:39  <Brianetta> like my smiles
13:04:41  <mikk36> nope
13:04:44  <mikk36> i didn't
13:05:00  <mikk36> i just did not relate it to game day in our time
13:05:09  <Brianetta> oh
13:05:34  <Brianetta> Oh, right, one physical minute is a day on the timetable
13:05:38  <Brianetta> gargh
13:05:40  <Brianetta> that's be hell
13:05:47  <Brianetta> trains would be late before they'd pulled out
13:05:52  <mikk36> :P
13:06:10  <mikk36> that's the problem
13:06:13  <Brianetta> Well, I was envisaging a 12 hour day
13:06:24  <mikk36> if u'd like to deal with timetables, play trainz :)
13:06:25  <Brianetta> So there's no am/pm
13:06:39  <Brianetta> I can't run trainz until they finish the Linux version
13:06:44  <mikk36> :P
13:07:03  <Gonozal_VIII> there is no am/pm in german without having 12h days^^
13:07:06  <mikk36> and cedega is not good enough ?
13:11:20  <Brianetta> Gonozal_VIII: I was thinking 12 hour day for two reasons - it keeps the day smaller, which reduces the gap between a day length and a day length, and it also means a simple analogue clock can be used on-screen.
13:11:34  <Brianetta> A 24 hour clock would work just fine, though
13:11:59  <Gonozal_VIII> ok, analogue is hard with 24h
13:12:38  <Brianetta> but a clock would probably be digital, and in the status bar
13:13:32  <peter1138> 1 minute = 2 seconds = 2 minutes for an hour = 24 minutes for a day?
13:14:48  <peter1138> also
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13:16:39  <peter1138> also?
13:16:40  <peter1138> hmm
13:16:44  <peter1138> what was that
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13:28:44  <Maedhros> hmm. patch options marked as "network sync, but don't save" don't seem to be synced when joining a network game
13:31:32  <Darkvater> there are no such options
13:31:39  <Darkvater> there are only options: save but don't sync
13:33:06  <Maedhros> what does NS mean then, e.g. with yapf.rail_longer_platform_penalty?
13:33:49  <peter1138> probably means someone boobood
13:33:50  <KUDr_wrk> Maedhros: not saved but transfered over network for MP
13:34:49  <Maedhros> thought so ;)
13:34:55  <KUDr_wrk> me too
13:34:59  <Maedhros> but they only seem to be transferred when changing a setting
13:35:02  <KUDr_wrk> but maybe i am wrong
13:35:16  <KUDr_wrk> so it could be the reason
13:35:44  <peter1138> no save == no sync
13:35:53  <KUDr_wrk> then we need to repair it if it is the case
13:36:52  <Darkvater> NS is the same as S which means it is *NOT* saved with the savegame
13:37:03  <Darkvater> and if something is *NOT* saved it is not synced
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13:37:09  <Darkvater> just as peter1138 said
13:37:38  <KUDr_wrk> then i did the big mistake when i used it instead of incrementing savegame revision
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13:38:02  <peter1138> well
13:38:08  <peter1138> easy to change, heh
13:38:20  <KUDr_wrk> probably
13:38:36  <KUDr_wrk> only we need to increment revision number
13:39:24  <Darkvater> that is not a problem
13:39:30  <KUDr_wrk> or we can force them to be transferred as "changed settings"
13:39:57  <Darkvater> why would you not want this saved?
13:40:13  <KUDr_wrk> because then it is hard to change them
13:40:21  <KUDr_wrk> they always overwrite
13:40:44  <KUDr_wrk> and user can't change them easily to see their effect when tunning
13:41:11  <KUDr_wrk> changing them via console is not easy
13:41:46  <KUDr_wrk> so you really need them in savegame only for network  games
13:41:59  <KUDr_wrk> or synced otherwise
13:42:20  <peter1138> the savegame is the only place they're transferred
13:42:28  <KUDr_wrk> now
13:42:36  <peter1138> for a long time
13:42:52  <KUDr_wrk> but we can force them to be transferred by network
13:42:59  <KUDr_wrk> i understand
13:43:06  <KUDr_wrk> i did mistake
13:43:07  <peter1138> better to just save them
13:43:13  <KUDr_wrk> misundertood how it works
13:43:19  <peter1138> the network syncage was removed deliberately, heh
13:43:37  <peter1138>
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13:43:43  <peter1138> woo, active peter1138-devving ;p
13:45:58  <peter1138> i wonder if it works...
13:47:26  <KUDr_wrk> looks good
13:47:29  <Darkvater> hmm... the settings haven't been finetuned for a long time and seem to have worked
13:47:33  <KUDr_wrk> somebody should try it
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13:47:45  <Darkvater> so saving them would not be disadvantageous
13:47:47  <KUDr_wrk> (in nightly?)
13:48:06  <Darkvater> and if you do finetune them, then every new game will get the new values, and old games stay
13:48:07  <KUDr_wrk> only difficult to play with that values
13:48:10  <Darkvater> and don't get bothered
13:48:24  <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: 99.9% haven't changed those values
13:48:31  <KUDr_wrk> true
13:48:48  <KUDr_wrk> but some ask me what values to change
13:49:03  <KUDr_wrk> and i must explain them that it will not work
13:49:07  <KUDr_wrk> for old games
13:49:11  <KUDr_wrk> only for new
13:49:22  <KUDr_wrk> but ok
13:49:43  <KUDr_wrk> until we have new (flexible) savegame format....
13:50:07  <Darkvater> no it will also work for old games
13:50:09  <Darkvater> in the console
13:50:21  <KUDr_wrk> yes - console is the option
13:50:23  <Darkvater> patches yapf.whatever X
13:50:47  <Darkvater> I mean if that's hard to do... phew...don't ever touch a computer again
13:50:51  <KUDr_wrk> so i must lear how to do it and post it on wiki
13:50:56  <KUDr_wrk> learn
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13:51:11  <Darkvater> I am just not sure if 'patches' also works in offline mode
13:51:13  <KUDr_wrk> hard to remember
13:51:25  <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: well what was the other option?
13:51:32  <KUDr_wrk> config
13:51:32  <Darkvater> open openttd.cfg and change the value there, right?
13:51:37  <KUDr_wrk> yes
13:51:41  <Darkvater> that's not easier to remember either
13:51:52  <KUDr_wrk> much easier to edit something than to remember command
13:51:53  <Darkvater> okay, a tiny bit ;)
13:52:19  <KUDr_wrk> for me significantly - dunno how for others
13:52:26  <Darkvater> new flexible savegame format won't help either if the value is saved
13:52:43  <Darkvater> unless you allow openttd.cfg values to override savegame values
13:52:45  <KUDr_wrk> it can be saved for MP only
13:52:52  <Darkvater> but that would also be possible with current code
13:53:05  <KUDr_wrk> yes, but it is not yet done
13:53:22  <KUDr_wrk> so ithis kind of flexibility must be coded anyway
13:53:40  <KUDr_wrk> if we want to use it
13:54:00  <KUDr_wrk> would be nice i guess, but i don't drive the development here
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13:55:26  <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: you remember I had nothing against it. Just didn't feel that we should use 2 savegame formats at the same time
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13:55:52  <KUDr_wrk> yes, understand - the code could get even more messy
13:56:21  <KUDr_wrk> and each savegame must have this flag set or not depending if it is SP or MP
13:56:27  <KUDr_wrk> it is complicated
13:58:33  <Darkvater> with current sys?
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13:58:42  <KUDr_wrk> yes
13:59:00  <Darkvater> actually all it has to have set is a flag for the setting in question
13:59:00  <KUDr_wrk> to do it only as "NS flag implementation"
13:59:10  <Darkvater> like: NETWORK_FLAG or something
13:59:18  <Darkvater> then it's loaded on mp, and skipped in sp
13:59:39  <KUDr_wrk> yes, but you need to be able to load MP into SP
13:59:44  <KUDr_wrk> i guess
14:00:09  <KUDr_wrk> for diagnostics or if you would like to continue as SP
14:00:34  <KUDr_wrk> so savegame revision need to be extended by this flag too
14:00:48  <KUDr_wrk> or am i wrong?
14:01:46  <Darkvater> it all depends on what you want. Right now the savegame system is driven by the save-tables and their flags
14:01:59  <Darkvater> you can do everything with those, although not that flexibly
14:03:42  <KUDr_wrk> i will look at it soon
14:03:46  <Darkvater> I think for the time being best is to save those values, tell users to use the console
14:03:54  <KUDr_wrk> to learn more how complex it would be
14:04:03  <Darkvater> and then think about the new save-code (ala yapf) and do all of the changes in there
14:04:05  <KUDr_wrk> yes
14:04:28  <KUDr_wrk> you mean totally new? like structured?
14:04:44  <Darkvater> well I donnu, what you brewed up for yapf :)
14:04:50  <KUDr_wrk> yes
14:04:55  <Darkvater> loading driven by the file itself
14:04:57  <KUDr_wrk> it was structured with tags
14:05:13  <KUDr_wrk> so any value that is missing has some defauld
14:05:16  <KUDr_wrk> t
14:05:31  <KUDr_wrk> so no revision numbers
14:05:43  <Darkvater> I think you still need savegame versions
14:05:44  <KUDr_wrk> and nearly full compatibility
14:05:59  <Darkvater> when a format changes you need to update old games to the new code
14:06:02  <KUDr_wrk> yes, but for debug purposes i guess
14:06:04  <Darkvater> you cannot ignore thise
14:06:06  <Darkvater> -e
14:06:14  <KUDr_wrk> aha
14:06:30  <KUDr_wrk> yes
14:06:31  <Darkvater> eg all the code in AfterLoadSavegame() or whatever it is
14:07:03  <KUDr_wrk> it can be done by "if (wasValueLoaded(valueName))"
14:07:05  <Darkvater> AfterLoadGame(void)
14:07:17  <Darkvater> no, even more
14:07:27  <KUDr_wrk> instead of "revision <= 13"
14:07:53  <Darkvater> not enough
14:08:16  <KUDr_wrk> i need to learn how it works now to see
14:08:23  <Darkvater> for example in a prior version town houses were moved from _m[tile].m2 to _m[tile].m4 (or something similar)
14:08:33  <Darkvater> nothing has changed regarding the saved code or values
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14:08:40  <KUDr_wrk> aha
14:08:41  <Darkvater> just a change of semantics
14:08:41  <KUDr_wrk> yes
14:08:54  <Darkvater> the only way to recognize this was a savegame-version bump
14:08:55  <KUDr_wrk> so they should have different tag
14:09:08  <KUDr_wrk> only those map cells
14:09:22  <KUDr_wrk> so they can be processed different way
14:09:37  <KUDr_wrk> but you are right
14:09:43  <KUDr_wrk> it will be more complex
14:09:47  <Darkvater> he, but what if suddenly for v->vehicle_type we choose to save them with a value of -10 to each
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14:09:56  <Darkvater> so VEH_Train is not 16 but 6
14:10:08  <Darkvater> only through a save-bump can you 'fix' this
14:10:22  <KUDr_wrk> yes
14:10:28  <KUDr_wrk> or save also enums
14:10:32  <Darkvater> I think savegame versions are very good so let's keep them
14:10:33  <Darkvater> but
14:10:38  <KUDr_wrk> and recalc them on load
14:10:45  <KUDr_wrk> yes
14:10:48  <Darkvater> the game can choose to enforce or ignore this
14:10:57  <KUDr_wrk> true
14:11:02  <Darkvater> eg choose a 'quirks mode' where it just loads the old game and sees what happens
14:11:04  <KUDr_wrk> it should be there
14:11:39  <Darkvater> because ok, great "recalc enums on load". Ok, good, nice job. But what when someone else changes? You cannot write special code for every conceivable way.
14:11:41  <KUDr_wrk> yes, loaders can change in the future too, so this info should be provided
14:11:43  <Darkvater> at least that'show I see it
14:12:06  <KUDr_wrk> then i would suggest to use also svn revision number
14:12:16  <KUDr_wrk> easier to track
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14:13:07  <Darkvater> only advantage would be a single number. Otherwise it's just more confusing. Savegames change once in about 400-500 revisions
14:13:25  <KUDr_wrk> hmm, true
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14:24:41  <Darkvater>      United flight 351 en route to San Francisco from Atlanta was
14:24:41  <Darkvater> rerouted after a backpack and Blackberry not belonging to any
14:24:41  <Darkvater> passengers were found onboard, CNN said. The backpack was found in
14:24:41  <Darkvater> the cargo hold of the plane before departure and removed, and the
14:24:41  <Darkvater> Blackberry was discovered after take off, CNN said.
14:24:44  <Darkvater> idiots
14:24:56  <Darkvater> just pick up the blackberry and put it in your pocket
14:25:01  <Darkvater> yaay for free BB's \o/
14:25:39  <peter1138> OMG IT MIGHT BE A BOMB
14:26:56  <Darkvater> they should've evacuated the plane. Open the doors and jump out at 10.000 feet
14:27:27  <peter1138> yeah, cos 10' is a lot ;)
14:28:08  <Darkvater> 10K\
14:28:15  <Darkvater> damn you pointies
14:30:58  <Gonozal_VIII> . <-- not a comma :P
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14:40:40  * peter1138 idly wonders about Tron_'s bridge
14:40:42  <peter1138> +work
14:41:37  * Darkvater starts daydreaming
14:42:18  <hylje> oooh, shiny bridges
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15:00:04  <Greeny> hi
15:00:09  <hylje> HI
15:00:19  <Greeny> just 1 question
15:00:49  <Greeny> in new build of TTD i can play with my friends? i mean multiplayer game
15:01:03  <hylje> yes
15:01:10  <Greeny> what protocole?
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15:02:10  <hylje> tcp/udp
15:02:25  <glx> !openttd ports
15:02:28  <glx> !openttd port
15:02:30  <_42_> glx: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound)
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15:25:42  <Darkvater> < home
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16:25:04  <CIA-2> miham * r6439 /trunk/lang/catalan.txt:
16:25:04  <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-09-11 18:24:37
16:25:04  <CIA-2> catalan - 102 fixed, 10 changed by arnaullv (112)
16:26:50  <peter1138> so we need to save this yapf stuff, yes?
16:26:51  <peter1138> hmm
16:26:56  * peter1138 fixes the diff
16:27:02  <peter1138> (so it compiles, heh)
16:28:12  <Belugas> that's the magic of compilers : they work even without ADSL ;)
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16:31:02  <peter1138> heh
16:31:16  <peter1138> it helps if i can get my home copy up to date, though
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16:32:24  <Maedhros> ooh, thunder
16:32:32  <Born_Acorn> peter1138! newsounds!
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16:33:52  <Belugas> good luck, Mister Nelson :)
16:36:29  <ln-> admiral?
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16:41:38  <Born_Acorn> Admiral Peter Nelson. He sailed the seven seas but came home when he ran out of Kentucky Fried Chicken.
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16:43:53  <AsterixMG> hi @all
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16:46:02  <Wolf01> hi
16:46:58  <AsterixMG> hi Wolf01
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17:19:14  <KUDr> peter1138: should i commit your patch?
17:20:05  <ln-> do you have darkvater's and tron's approval signed in three copies?
17:20:20  <KUDr> hehe
17:20:43  <KUDr> peter1138 is probably working on it so I ask him
17:21:07  * AsterixMG wants his patch committed, too
17:21:13  <KUDr> don't care about approvals otherwise - it is needed to fix
17:21:21  <AsterixMG> but i don' have any approvals signed yet :/
17:24:10  <Born_Acorn> Once you have them signed in triplicate, you must obtain form 4852b/5, and have that signed in triplicate too.
17:24:50  <Born_Acorn> form 4852b/5 allows you to gain access to form 3245f/9, which is the "New Years Day Parade" form.
17:25:16  <Born_Acorn> Once you've featured in the parade, you can get a commit form.
17:28:30  <CIA-2> KUDr * r6440 /trunk/ (saveload.c settings.c): -Fix: [YAPF] some YAPF settings were not saved (i misunderstood how save flags work). This probably caused some MP desyncs. Thanks Maedhros for noticing and peter1138 for this patch.
17:28:56  <Belugas> The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging, that is...
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17:42:03  <Wolf01> Frostregen: adjacent depots, lol
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17:44:51  <Wolf01> but what i want is a open space depot where you build trains like locomotion, the trains would be long as the depot, so if you want bigger trains, build bigger depots, you want more trains in a depot build more platforms
17:45:03  <hylje> yes
17:45:17  <hylje> and trains would need to wait for some time for repairs
17:45:26  <hylje> so a large network needs a large depot area
17:49:03  <Wolf01> and for backward-player-compatibility you should be able to use both the gui (and you will see the train magically appear in the track inside the depot) and the drag-to-track
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17:50:38  <Wolf01> depots will behave like stations, so you must use the same layouts and signals and you can make RoRo depots
17:52:45  <Wolf01> but what about if a train long 10 tiles enter a depot long 6 tiles?
17:53:39  <Wolf01> ok, brain-shutdown, too much used today
17:54:13  <AsterixMG> hmm, i remember that this was discussed over a year ago, too :)
17:54:42  <AsterixMG> i think the end was maybe at some time later :P
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18:35:48  <CIA-2> miham * r6441 /trunk/lang/catalan.txt:
18:35:48  <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-09-11 20:35:18
18:35:48  <CIA-2> catalan - 2 fixed, 23 changed by arnaullv (25)
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19:30:51  <Bjarni> hi people
19:30:55  <Sacro> hey Bjarni
19:30:58  <Bjarni> how many of you survived today?
19:31:05  <AsterixMG> hi Bjarni
19:31:06  <Sacro> me, just
19:31:07  <Sacro> why?
19:31:14  <AsterixMG> 11.9.
19:32:37  <Sacro> it is
19:34:17  <Bjarni> so Sacro is unaware of the world around him. Nothing new in that :P
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19:36:01  * Sacro is ill
19:36:05  <Sacro> bbl going for a walk
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19:37:39  <Bjarni> o_O
19:37:45  <Bjarni> outside???
19:38:12  <Wolf01> no, in the carpet
19:38:19  <Wolf01> around the table
19:38:32  <AsterixMG> well, as he said he is ill... if he was healthy he wouldn't go outside ;)
19:38:35  <Wolf01> sacro is not cord-less like us
19:38:44  <Bjarni> looking at the clock and his neighbourhood, there is a 50% chance that he will return home today
19:39:02  <Wolf01> he must stay at some distance from his computer
19:39:33  <Bjarni> why, is it leaking radiation?
19:40:41  <Wolf01> err... no, i meant distance(sacro,computer)<cord
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19:46:02  <Bjarni> ahh
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19:52:55  <ln-> Bjarni:
19:54:15  <Bjarni> ln-: looks a lot like
19:54:26  <ln-> yes, i know.
19:54:47  <Bjarni> so what is this page?
19:55:01  <Bjarni> a clone with minor adjustments?
19:55:39  <Bjarni> to make people think that Apple don't want to support customers or something?
19:55:51  <Bjarni> somehow I trust the real domain more :P
19:56:34  <ln-> Registrant Name:Apple Computer , Inc.
19:56:42  <Bjarni> hmm
19:56:57  <Bjarni> then I really presume that it is a mirror
19:57:05  <Bjarni> but why? :)
19:57:18  <Bjarni> anyway those 24" iMacs looks cool
19:57:44  <hylje> they look exactly the same as the 20" and 17" iMacs, just larger
19:58:02  <hylje> and iMacs have looked the same for, waht? 3 years?
19:58:03  <Bjarni> I meant the specifications ;)
19:58:38  <ln-> who knows if there will be an iPhone soon... or then not.
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19:59:08  <Bjarni> Steve Jobs knows
19:59:42  <hylje> what you say if he reveals a widescreen iPod and a iPhone tomorrow
19:59:59  <Bjarni> "what you say"...
20:00:09  <Bjarni> all your software belong to us?
20:01:16  <hylje> you got the pun, i see
20:01:27  <hylje> but more like somebody set up us the hardware
20:01:46  <hylje> (not according to the ayb tho)
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20:38:40  <CIA-2> bjarni * r6442 /trunk/ship_gui.c:
20:38:40  <CIA-2> -Fix: ship depots windows now only draws the ships inside the depot instead of all ships in the depot tile
20:38:40  <CIA-2>  This bug was visible when a ship left. The window redraw was called, but it still saw the ship since it didn't leave the tile yet and it left a ghost in the depot window
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21:31:36  <Bjarni> hmm
21:31:47  <Bjarni> either this channel is dead or I'm not as popular as I used to be
21:32:00  <Bjarni> nobody started celebrating my great commit :s
21:33:21  <Kjetil> All hail the glorious Bjarni
21:33:27  <blathijs> hurrah, hurrah
21:33:47  <Bjarni> what took you so long?
21:34:34  <Bjarni> and you mean that you always was bothered by this "serious" bug and is really happy that it's finally fixed, right?
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21:36:59  <Bjarni> man, this channel have really gone downhill lately :(
21:37:22  <mikk36> :P
21:38:10  <mikk36> ok, off to bed now to watch last year's gumball rally :)
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21:38:27  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i just found this in a configuration file
21:38:28  <Eddi|zuHause>         if [ "$AUTHNAME" = 'BillGates' ]; then
21:38:29  <Eddi|zuHause>                 /sbin/isdnctrl hangup $IFNAME
21:38:29  <Eddi|zuHause>         fi
21:41:29  <mikk36> lol ?
21:42:28  <Bjarni> we should add that to our makefile :P
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21:43:45  <Bjarni> maybe without the if, since ISDN sucks :P
21:44:27  <Bjarni> "we wanted to prevent your computer to use too much CPU power on the internet to improve compiletime"
21:44:38  <Tuck> where i can get the newgrf's ?¿?
21:45:06  <Bjarni> symtax error
21:45:11  <Bjarni> incorrect usage of ¿
21:45:13  <Bjarni> :P
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21:46:16  <Bjarni>
21:47:38  <Tuck> Thanks
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21:49:09  <Wolf01> 'night all
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21:49:16  <mikk36> night
21:49:24  <mikk36> blah :P
21:49:35  <mikk36> 1 sec late
21:50:32  <Bjarni> you type too slow :P
21:51:35  <mikk36> i thought too much
21:51:49  <mikk36> also i'm sideways compared to the keyboard
21:52:04  <Rexxie> "night" sure takes a lot of thinking
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21:52:32  <Bjarni> trying to simulate an SD-40 cab by sitting sideways?
21:52:43  <mikk36> in bed u know
21:53:18  <Bjarni> ohh I like the sound of that... bed+locomotive... sounds almost like real life :P
21:53:41  <Guest56> you sleep in a locomotive?
21:53:58  <Bjarni> not me
21:54:00  <Bjarni> other people
21:54:19  <Bjarni> how else will you explain the "failure to stop at platform" incidents? :)
21:54:39  <Brianetta> Like the driver of the steam train here:
21:56:12  <Guest56> doesn't a train stop when the driver doesn't press a special button every x seconds?
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21:56:39  <Brianetta> Well, nowadays, sure
21:56:46  <Brianetta> but that was a steam loco
21:56:59  <Bjarni> I don't think that driver was asleep
21:57:04  <Bjarni> it was foggy
21:57:08  <Brianetta> No, he wasn't
21:57:13  <Brianetta> but he was very inattentive
21:57:19  <Brianetta> I read the entire report last week.
21:57:25  <Brianetta> I was up till 3 /-:
21:57:55  <Bjarni> why?
21:58:16  <Brianetta> um
21:58:31  <Bjarni> Helen was moving a lot in her sleep?
21:58:38  <Brianetta> um
21:58:40  <Bjarni> kicking you out of bed?
21:58:41  <Brianetta> I was just reading it
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21:59:05  <Brianetta> It's part of my psychological makeup
21:59:12  <Brianetta> a need to inhale information
21:59:17  <Bjarni> err
21:59:21  <Bjarni> ahh
21:59:24  <Brianetta> I huffed that report
21:59:53  <Bjarni> did you read about the GG1 incident in Washington in 1953?
22:00:01  <Brianetta> no
22:00:29  <Bjarni> brake failure at 80 mph
22:00:30  <Brianetta> It sounds like a US train
22:00:38  <Brianetta> I know the Lewisham line
22:01:00  <Brianetta>
22:01:02  <Brianetta> hehe, photo
22:01:05  <Eddi|zuHause> someone please tell me what of last nights 2GB system update broke my dsl connection...
22:01:50  <Brianetta> Shouldn't brakes fail safe?
22:02:08  <Bjarni>
22:02:57  <Brianetta>
22:03:02  <Bjarni> they are failsafe for technical issues, but not human errors, aka forgetting to connect the brakes and then forgetting to test if the brakes works
22:04:52  <Brianetta> I thought they required a constant vacuum or pressure to be maintained
22:05:06  <Brianetta> Seems to me that sticking valves int he brake lines is asking for trouble
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22:06:51  <Bjarni> no
22:07:07  <Bjarni> because if you didn't, how would you close the pipe in the end of the train?
22:07:13  <Brianetta> With a cap
22:07:25  <Bjarni> you can't do that at that pressure
22:07:31  <Brianetta> Most use vacuum, it's lighter
22:07:38  <Bjarni> no
22:07:41  <Brianetta> no?
22:07:44  <Brianetta> oh dear
22:07:46  <ln-> aaand we have a conflict in video/cocoa_v.m (conflict with blackis's patch)
22:07:49  <Bjarni> most use compressed air. GB is different
22:08:07  <Brianetta> Vacuum can't explode
22:08:21  <Bjarni> AFAIK compressed air is faster to apply brakes
22:08:26  <mikk36> implode then ? :D
22:08:39  <Gonozal_VIII> oil is faster than air
22:08:49  * Bjarni never heard of a train with exploded air pressure brakes
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22:09:03  <Bjarni> the pressure is only 5-6 bars (country dependant)
22:09:28  <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: oil is no good since there is no return pipe ;)
22:09:34  <Eddi|zuHause> i thought modern trains use electromagnetic brakes
22:09:50  <Brianetta> Eddi: Yes, light rails and electrics even use regenerative ones
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22:10:32  <Brianetta> but for unpowered rolling stock, a failsafe break that's released bya vacuum or pressure line is simple and effective
22:10:41  <Bjarni> by law, all trains here have to be brakes by air pressure. We got one exception (using oil) and it's still an issue because even though it's safe, it can't be approved due to the lack of air
22:11:03  <Gonozal_VIII> gibt wirbelstrombremsen (don't know the english word)
22:11:12  <Brianetta> Tyne and Wear Metro uses regenerative brakes.  The heat generated by them is used to heat the cabins
22:11:40  <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause>	i thought modern trains use electromagnetic brakes <-- modern trains usually got air, electro magnetic (only efficient at high speed) and that induction brake where it supplies power back into the catenary
22:12:05  <Eddi|zuHause> regenerative breaks have kind of a problem... their effectivity lowers exponentially with low speed
22:12:17  <Eddi|zuHause> so you need conventional breaks to eventually stop
22:12:23  <Bjarni> usually the last is the only one used, air is applied if needed and the electro magnetics are only turned on when they emergency brake since they break the tracks
22:12:47  <Bjarni> yeah, hence the need for air brakes
22:13:16  <Bjarni> also diesel mechanics don't have regenerating brakes ;)
22:13:50  <Bjarni> diesel electric locomotives do have them though since they wear less on the wheels
22:14:18  <Bjarni> they then got vented power resistors on the roof to kill the generated electricity
22:14:33  <Bjarni> the energy have to go somewhere
22:15:16  <Eddi|zuHause> s/have/has/g
22:15:26  <Bjarni> <-- wtf. GG1 in freedom colours (or did they call them liberty colours... I can't remember)
22:15:26  <Eddi|zuHause> ;)
22:16:51  <Bjarni> well, the fact remain that they do need to have either air or oil brakes to be reliable at all speed, but they prefer the regenerating brakes if possible
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22:23:38  <Bjarni> oh btw, in that GG1 accident, if anybody in the last 13 (almost all of them) cars had pulled the emergency brake, then the train would have stopped and nothing happened
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22:28:08  <glx> can't the driver action emergency brake himself ?
22:29:09  <Bjarni> It has been said that the 237-ton GG-1 locomotive had flat spots on its wheels over 5 inches long! <-- time to get new wheels o_O
22:29:44  <glx> square wheels are bad :)
22:29:55  <Bjarni> <glx>	can't the driver action emergency brake himself ? <-- he can, but the issue was the brake system was cut into two parts and the locomotive could only access the front part of it
22:30:20  <Neonox> crashed iron ore train in germany:
22:32:42  <glx> ouch!
22:32:50  <glx> lot of work to repair tracks
22:33:06  <Neonox> yeah. the track was closed for two months
22:33:06  <Bjarni>     15) When the brakes were first applied, the train was at legal speed of 80 MPH or so. In the two miles of mostly sliding down a slight downgrade into the station, the train had slowed, by most estimates, to a speed of 35-50 MPH.
22:33:06  <Bjarni> When the brakes were first applied, the train was at legal speed of 80 MPH or so. In the two miles of mostly sliding down a slight downgrade into the station, the train had slowed, by most estimates, to a speed of 35-50 MPH. <-- since it was only the engine and the front 3 cars (of the 16 cars), that braked, no wonder the wheels showed signs of a powerful braking
22:34:02  <Bjarni> Neonox: well, the iron survived, so it's not that bad. It's not like the ICE accident
22:34:49  <Neonox> Bjarni: yes. the iron is not alive. so it is not so bad.....
22:34:50  <Bjarni> a lady commuter disembarked from the rear of the train, totally unaware of the events which had just unfolded with the comment "That's the roughest stop I have EVER had!" <--- no kidding. The front of the train just derailed :D
22:42:02  <Bjarni> also remember that we will not get a copy of the GG1 accident in Europe. If we close a valve, it's closed towards it's own car, but it's completely open towards the next car, which means it's emergency brakes right away
22:43:12  <Neonox>  --
22:44:05  <Bjarni> crap... the bogie looks damaged on the last pic
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22:44:43  <Bjarni> Neonox: how did it happen?
22:44:54  <Neonox> bogie? don't understand that :(
22:45:34  <Bjarni> bogie = the little "wagon" under the wagon chassis, that holds the wheels
22:45:41  <Neonox> ah. ok.
22:46:18  <Neonox> there was a stone in a switch. that's because the train crashed
22:46:30  <Bjarni> o_O
22:46:45  <Bjarni> usually the stone just gets smashed to powder
22:47:57  <Bjarni> even on the manually controlled switches, the force is great enough to totally crush stones
22:48:00  <Neonox> usually. but not this. the stone blocked the switch so that the switch won't get completly in the correct position. but the computer didn't recognized it
22:48:14  <Bjarni> weird
22:48:20  <Neonox> train over switch, train out of track
22:48:28  <Neonox> track killed
22:48:39  <Bjarni> it's replaceable
22:48:57  <Bjarni> it's actually a serious condition that the sensors failed to pick that one up
22:49:44  <Neonox> yes
22:49:58  <Neonox> but that can happen......
22:50:04  <Bjarni> we had an incident where a track reported blocked even when it wasn't because the sensor got in conflict with something, but the actual track in the switch was just fine
22:50:52  <Bjarni> that's the way it should work. Railroad sensors are more or less paranoid, or rather, the computers to read the output are paranoid
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23:14:00  <Eddi|zuHause2> grrr... there is absolutely no logical reason why this does not work...
23:14:30  <Bjarni> cut the red wire and it will work a whole lot better
23:14:44  <Bjarni> haven't you watched TV?
23:14:45  <Eddi|zuHause2> and the worst thing is, it says it is working, even though it isnt
23:14:59  <Bjarni> the agents always cut the red wire and everything will be good
23:15:09  <Eddi|zuHause2> tv... right...
23:15:20  <Eddi|zuHause2> at least that is still working ;)
23:15:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> there's an even greater problem there... nowhere here is a red wire
23:16:14  <Eddi|zuHause2> i have a few black, white, grey and a yellow wire
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23:17:05  <Bjarni> oh, that reminds me of a TV commercial I once saw (pre 11/9 2001). A security guy at an airport spots a bag with no owner, opens it and finds a bomb. He then thinks back to his bomb disarm class at nightschool, that told him to cut the red wire. He did and everybody became happy
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23:17:17  <Bjarni> and then it said "it pays off to go to nightschool"
23:17:36  <Eddi|zuHause2> hehe ;)
23:17:54  <Bjarni> I don't think they will ever use that one again
23:18:51  <Eddi|zuHause2> i heard they even cut the crash in the intro of Futurama out in east coast broadcasts
23:19:13  <Bjarni> :)
23:19:55  <Bjarni> btw did you hear that they arrested 7 people for terrorism in Denmark?
23:20:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> i heard a lot of things lately
23:20:29  <Eddi|zuHause2> but yes, one of them was about terrorism in denmark ;)
23:20:54  <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't remember the details, though
23:22:01  <Bjarni> well, they were not allowed to tell anything due to investigation and then some politicians and media started talking about how it was wrong to arrest them now that they didn't have anything against them
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23:22:44  <Bjarni> now somebody at random found a classified report on the street (still a mystery how it ended up there), that tells that the police found explosives when they arrested those guys
23:22:59  <Eddi|zuHause2> gnah... this day is bad... my father shouted me out of bed at 8AM, because the net did not work
23:23:07  <Eddi|zuHause2> in trying to fix the net, i broke sound
23:23:15  <Eddi|zuHause2> in trying to fix sound, i broke KDE
23:23:44  <Bjarni> ever found the original problem?
23:23:48  <Eddi|zuHause2> no
23:23:51  <Bjarni> :P
23:24:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> i have a workaround for the net
23:24:14  <Eddi|zuHause2> i appear to have fixed sound
23:24:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> i have no clue how to repair KDE
23:24:44  <Eddi|zuHause2> i might just trash the entire system and do a reinstall
23:25:39  <Bjarni> good luck
23:25:59  <Eddi|zuHause2> but i'm gonna watch TV in the meanwhile... to relax
23:26:00  <Bjarni> remember to back up stuff
23:26:16  <Bjarni> or you might lose your stuff
23:26:27  <Eddi|zuHause2> most of the important stuff is on the 500GB disk in the other computer anyway
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23:26:44  <Eddi|zuHause2> and by important i mean anything called .mpg and .avi ;)
23:28:15  <Eddi|zuHause2> or... i could try to install the ati drivers again (and probably break TV as well ;))
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23:36:04  <Bjarni> <-- awesome :D
23:36:30  <Bjarni> that's actually commercials where you don't think "what a piece of bullshit" and they are still funny
23:36:49  <GoneWacko> They are also terribly old
23:37:28  <Bjarni> well, we don't have them on TV here, so they aren't that old to me
23:37:40  <GoneWacko> Same here :p Teehee
23:37:43  <GoneWacko> but whatever
23:37:45  <Bjarni> like, they doubled in number since I last saw that page
23:37:51  <GoneWacko> it's late and I have to get up at 7 AM so I'm off to bed
23:38:17  <Bjarni> only a wacko person would be up at this time and get up at 7 O'clock
23:38:35  <Bjarni> that's less than the recommended 15 hours of sleep
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23:43:28  <mikk36> 15 hours ?
23:43:34  <mikk36> ok, i'm off to sleep
23:43:38  <mikk36> 4.5 hours to sleep
23:43:59  <mikk36> then to school
23:44:03  <mikk36> C programming :)
23:44:09  <mikk36> and other stuff
23:46:11  <Tuck> <- thats awesome ;P
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23:50:36  <Bjarni> Tuck: it would be hard to play though
23:51:18  <Bjarni> <-- this is what the Simpsons should watch on TV :D
23:51:23  <Tuck> ehehe... if i remember the quake3 trickstunt freaks its a awesome feature
23:51:28  <Bjarni> now that would be funny
23:51:44  <Bjarni> never played quake 3
23:51:55  <Bjarni> tried quake 1. Didn't like it
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23:53:21  <Tuck> ;(
23:54:51  <Bjarni> let's head back into 2D world
23:55:01  <Tuck> *grin
23:55:16  <Bjarni> or even better: the real world
23:57:07  <Bjarni> <-- this is how the real world works
23:57:38  <Bjarni> maybe the pilot thought it was a simulation though
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23:59:07  <Tuck> ó Ò
23:59:13  <Bjarni> <--- maybe he learned to fly here

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