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00:00:17 <Bjarni> <Tuck> ó Ò <-- I thought the same thing... no wonder they had a lot of crashes in that era 00:00:45 <Tuck> xD 00:02:53 *** grimrc [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: cya] 00:03:44 <Bjarni> the day the most people died in the Vietnam war was the day when a plane on the deck of a carrier malfunctioned and fired a rocket into another plane, that was under repairs for massive fuel leaks 00:04:39 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:04:41 <Bjarni> that incident alone killed more people than anything else in that war 00:04:57 <Bjarni> gives new meaning to friendly fire 00:05:25 <Torm> hey all :) 00:05:53 <Bjarni> time to go to bed 00:06:01 <Bjarni> the Australians show up from tomorrow 00:06:34 <Bjarni> Torm: can you tell me the right lotto numbers? :) 00:06:48 <Torm> 42 00:06:54 <Torm> thats the only one you need 00:07:13 <Bjarni> you know what would be funny? 00:07:15 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:07:31 <Bjarni> if you just said a series of random numbers and they come out as winning numbers 00:07:51 <Bjarni> damn, now Tobin showed up 00:07:56 <Bjarni> now I really have to go to bed 00:08:03 <Tobin> Yup. 00:08:09 <Tobin> Why are you still awake? 00:08:11 <Bjarni> I'm being flooded with people from the future 00:08:35 <Bjarni> <Tobin> Why are you still awake? <-- long story 00:08:43 <Bjarni> I didn't go to bed 00:08:45 <Bjarni> hmm 00:08:50 <Bjarni> it was not that long after all 00:15:57 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:15:58 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c67.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:18:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> everybody knows that the lotto numbers are 4,8,15,16,23,42 ;) 00:20:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> (one might actually wonder how that 42 got in there ;)) 00:26:33 <glx> hmm I know these numbers... :P 00:35:44 <Brianetta> autopilot 2.0 has been released. 00:35:49 <Brianetta> Go, my peers, review. 00:39:24 <Brianetta> That was a lukewarm reception. 00:40:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> all you have here are nightcrawlers and australians... what do you expect? ;) 00:40:39 <Brianetta> applause 00:40:45 <Brianetta> I certainly expected a murmur from glx 00:41:01 <glx> just a question :) 00:41:08 <glx> is it win32 compatible? 00:41:13 <Brianetta> Probably. 00:41:29 <Brianetta> That needs testing 00:42:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> the question is not if the autopilot is compatible with the win32 version, but if the win32 version is compatible with the autopilot ;) 00:42:35 <glx> mine is :) 00:42:51 <Brianetta> Eddi: They needed to converge and make compromises 00:43:17 <Brianetta> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Autopilot#Windows 00:47:55 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-144-131-90-235.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:50:32 <Nigel> anyone know if the UK industries set is meant to work with openttd? 00:50:42 <Brianetta> It doesn't 00:50:49 <Brianetta> That feature is unwritten 00:51:19 <Belugas_Gone> it has started... but it is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww 00:51:57 <Belugas_Gone> by the way, it was meant to work with TTDPatch ;) 00:55:53 <glx> Brianetta: why does it show me openttd help at start ? 00:56:02 <Brianetta> er 00:56:19 <Brianetta> Are you using a release or a nightly? 00:56:48 <glx> self compiled 6442 00:56:52 <Brianetta> um. 00:57:23 <Brianetta> Windows or Linux? 00:57:27 <glx> windows 00:57:42 <glx> and the console works well :) 00:57:56 <Brianetta> OK, which command made it do help? 00:58:02 <glx> openttd -h 00:58:23 <Brianetta> oh, that 00:58:28 <Brianetta> yeah (: 00:58:32 <ln-> what kind of a question is that? "windows or linux"? as if those were the only platforms. 00:58:38 <Brianetta> That's to populate the OTTD substitution variable 00:59:00 <Brianetta> ln-: They are the only two that glx is likely to be testing 00:59:22 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@80.159.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:59:37 <Brianetta> /msg sandbox revision 00:59:42 <Brianetta> It's to do that 01:00:21 <Brianetta> You can also put OTTD into the motd1,2,3 01:00:27 <Brianetta> although it's a tad pointless 01:00:57 <glx> Autopilot engaged 01:00:57 <glx> Starting new game named '' 01:00:57 <glx> Landscape is normal 01:00:57 <glx> Map is 256 tiles north to south by 256 tiles east to west 01:00:57 <glx> Starting year is 01:00:59 <glx> can't read "::max_companies": no such variable 01:01:14 <Brianetta> Hmmm. 01:02:19 <Brianetta> autopilot.tcl line 283 01:02:21 <Brianetta> I bet you 01:02:53 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.145.18] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:03:52 <Brianetta> Does server_info work from console? 01:03:52 <glx> while executing 01:03:52 <glx> "for {set i 1} {$i <= $::max_companies} {incr i} { 01:03:52 <glx> set ::mainloop::company($i) {none {} 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0} 01:03:52 <glx> }" 01:04:08 <Brianetta> Yes, it failes there 01:04:14 <Brianetta> autopilot.tcl line 283 is where that variable is set 01:04:33 <glx> server_info 01:04:33 <glx> Current/maximum clients: 0/10 01:04:33 <glx> Current/maximum companies: 0/ 8 01:04:33 <glx> Current/maximum spectators: 0/10 01:05:01 <Brianetta> There's your problem 01:05:16 <Brianetta> Three spaces between companies: and 0/8 01:05:21 <Brianetta> Mine only put sout two 01:06:01 <Brianetta> actually, that should work, it masks for two digits 01:06:31 <Brianetta> Have you set max_companies in the config? 01:07:00 <glx> yes 01:07:08 <Brianetta> What have you set it to? 01:07:09 *** Tuck [~norespons@p57A2F033.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 01:07:25 <glx> 8 01:07:31 <Brianetta> That's the default 01:07:34 <glx> yes 01:07:46 <Brianetta> You cuold try removing that line 01:07:52 <Brianetta> I'm not sure why it failed, though 01:08:00 <Brianetta> and it's 2:10am 01:08:05 <Brianetta> and I have work tomorrow 01:08:37 <glx> hmm wait I know why it fails :) 01:09:03 <glx> openttd -h exits after showing the help text so the server is not running :) 01:09:03 <Brianetta> You do? 01:09:10 <Brianetta> erm 01:09:34 <Brianetta> no 01:09:58 <Brianetta> That's run with exec. The main server instance is running with spawn. 01:10:07 <Brianetta> If it had closed, the autopilot would have shut down. 01:10:31 <Brianetta> Anyway, it's gone bed time. 01:10:45 <Brianetta> If you get it going, let me know. 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05:37:40 <roboboy> yep 05:37:48 <roboboy> or i was trying ot 05:38:03 <ThePizzaKing> hehehe 05:38:48 <roboboy> i have an irc bot 05:39:01 <ThePizzaKing> Is it as cool as fishbot? 05:39:23 <roboboy> it was in here last night or sunday night but DV decided we only needed one bot in here 05:39:31 <roboboy> yep 05:39:40 <roboboy> its in my Quakenet channel 05:39:49 <roboboy> and #openttdcoop 05:39:55 * ThePizzaKing decides to have a look 05:40:04 <roboboy> it will be even better next week 05:44:19 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 05:47:05 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.145.18] has joined #openttd 05:48:23 *** Guest56 [Gono@N841P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 05:51:17 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:51:18 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:51:24 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:52:22 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N898P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:56:43 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 05:59:25 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 06:10:05 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 06:13:38 <peter1138> morning 06:14:08 <roboboy> hello 06:14:18 <peter1138> adsl :D 06:28:49 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28:49 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:30:40 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:34:02 *** Vizzerdrix [Greeny@ppp85-140-75-3.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 06:38:08 *** Sako [~nicci@sako.ronin.jyu.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:41:39 *** Greeny [Greeny@ppp85-140-8-159.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:42:57 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:48:15 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw2-0-0-cust674.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: /quit] 07:07:56 <mikk36> so, peter1138 ? 07:08:07 <mikk36> i'm on cable... 2/0.25 :P 07:08:19 <mikk36> at least the latency is good, speed is... what it is :/ 07:09:26 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 07:09:48 <peter1138> 8/0.5, supposedly 07:10:07 <peter1138> not seen more than 240KB/s yet though 07:11:24 <mikk36> lol 07:14:04 <Nigel> 240KB/s = 2mbit 07:18:05 <peter1138> yeah 07:18:17 <peter1138> well it's synced at 8128/448 Kbps 07:19:45 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2DC52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:20:13 <Prof_Frink> peter1138: where the fuck's my fucking broadband? 07:20:44 <peter1138> i ate it 07:22:28 <Prof_Frink> you must have shat it out by now 07:24:23 <peter1138> uh huh 07:26:45 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2DD49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:29:03 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D583.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 07:29:11 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D583.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:35:34 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:46:35 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D583.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:17:03 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-194-114.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 08:25:31 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 08:26:54 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D71E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:32:55 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:26 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-194-114.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: muss wech] 08:42:25 *** Ammler [~Ammler@116-205.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 08:43:49 <Nigel> !stats 08:43:51 <_42_> Nigel: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html 08:44:51 <peter1138> ah, bjarni is the noisiest... 08:45:33 <Nigel> you can access it? 08:45:49 <peter1138> the stats? yes. 08:48:12 <Nigel> werid, it doesn't like me 08:56:33 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p5081BE85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:56:36 <AsterixMG> hi @all 09:12:57 *** jez [freezer@88-96-28-22.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:13:17 <jez> The 'autorenew months' patch text in the config dialog isn't clear enough as to what a negative number of months will do 09:13:37 <jez> it seems to default to 6 now instead of -6, which makes me think that positive numbers now renew a vehicle before its expiry date 09:23:52 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3FC0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:26:30 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 09:28:20 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3D8FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:29:56 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 09:31:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:32:22 * Brianetta thumps his chest and climbs the Empire State Building 09:34:44 <jez> know anything about the autorenew months patch? 09:35:42 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 09:35:42 <Torm> !logs 09:35:53 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77556.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:36:24 <Torm> !seen JohnUK89 09:36:25 <_42_> Torm, JohnUK89 (~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215) was last seen quitting #openttd 4 days 15 hours 52 minutes ago (07.09. 17:43) stating "Ping timeout: 480 seconds" after spending 1 hour 36 minutes there. 09:43:42 <Rubidium_> Brianetta: that starting_date -> starting_year conversion happened in revision 5915 (same with restart_date) in trunk and in MiniIN at revision 5980. 09:44:12 <Brianetta> Rubidium_: Both are supported, are they not? 09:44:42 <jez> somebody pointed me to a site that had documentation of the OpenTTD a while ago 09:44:47 <jez> can anyone remember the URL? 09:44:58 <jez> it had a listing of variables and stuff in the source 09:45:10 <Rubidium_> no, you have to use _year after (and for) 5915, and _date before 5915 09:45:30 *** Rubidium_ is now known as Rubidium 09:45:45 <Brianetta> That's lame 09:47:00 <Rubidium> keeping _date, which does exactly the same as _year seems not a good idea in my opinion 09:47:11 <Brianetta> I just checked my openttd.cfg 09:47:23 <Brianetta> openttd has added the _year ones, but left the _date ones in 09:47:35 <Brianetta> I think that changing it was a daft idea 09:47:49 <Rubidium> it doesn't remove stuff it doesn't recognise (anymore) 09:48:02 <Brianetta> It shouldn't not recognise that 09:48:18 <Brianetta> It should recognise it as an old option, read it, and write out the new one instead. 09:48:44 <Brianetta> Since somebody felt that it was OK to change it, they should have implemented a mechanism to help old openttd.cfg files stay good 09:50:20 <Rubidium> it should already have existed a long time, as there were more conversions that were even uglier, as they gave warnings when starting the game 09:50:54 <Brianetta> Yes indeed, my nightly's config file, used without change, suddenly shanges the start year from 1922 to 1950, and then saves this incorrect value 09:51:20 <Brianetta> It's a damned good job none of the devs here code like that as part of their job 09:51:55 <Brianetta> There *should* be a warning 09:52:03 <Brianetta> It should have been handled 09:55:46 <Brianetta> Oh, it was you 09:55:50 * Brianetta read the log 09:55:55 <Brianetta> You should hang your head in shame. 09:56:11 <Rubidium> the problem with being backward compatible with changes in the configfile is that there is no notion of versioning in them 09:56:40 <Brianetta> Then either keep a record of old settings which are deprecated, or don't change anything. 09:57:02 <Brianetta> Simply using a new default value to replace an older setting is brain dead. 09:57:30 <Rubidium> the problem with that is that you have to keep the deprecated value also in memory (for any next revision of OTTD) 09:57:55 <Brianetta> No, you can write the old value with the new setting and remove it from the config. 09:58:03 <peter1138> hmm? 09:58:28 <Brianetta> peter1138: We're discussing the renaming of openttd.cfg keys 09:58:28 <Rubidium> Brianetta: you need a global variable for reading the ini-settings, which you cannot free 09:58:43 <jez> somebody pointed me to a site that had documentation of the OpenTTD a while ago 09:58:43 <Brianetta> Rubidium: Perhaps changing that can be your next commit. 09:58:44 <jez> can anyone remember the URL? 09:58:53 <jez> damn this is annoying 09:59:08 <Darkvater> jez: no we do not 09:59:12 <Darkvater> jez: don't you mean the wiki? 09:59:18 <Brianetta> Since it's in a fixed global structure, perhaps you shouldn't have started renaming keys in it. 09:59:32 <Darkvater> Rubidium: perhaps the best thing is, is to just comment out unused keys? 09:59:56 <Darkvater> but then again, I'm not sure how those are distinguished cause if the value hasn't changed it's treated essentially the same 09:59:59 <Brianetta> Not unused keys, Darkvater, just known keys that have been renamed 10:00:00 <jez> Darkvater: no... there was another site :-\ 10:00:13 <Darkvater> Brianetta: put a sock in it. Just open your config and delete the old setting instead of bitching around 10:00:16 <Brianetta> starting_date -> starting_year, et 10:00:26 <Rubidium> jez: docs.openttd.org? 10:00:40 <jez> ah yes that's it 10:00:44 <Brianetta> Darkvater: I hadn't been aware this had changed. 10:00:56 <Brianetta> It's not like the game gives a warning. 10:01:30 <Rubidium> but does it if it can't find an openttd.cfg? 10:01:35 <Darkvater> well now you are, aren't you? 10:01:55 <Brianetta> Yes. *I* can work around this bug. 10:02:03 <Brianetta> Now you should tell the rest of the world. 10:02:44 <jez> ugh, there're no docs on this macro 10:02:57 <Brianetta> jez: There's no design either, so I should't worry. 10:03:16 <Darkvater> and no, your criticism is not valid (at least partly) because this is a beta. Or do you think office/photoshop or any other professional program releases beta builds to users and then fix every little in-between-development changes so it works flawlessly? 10:03:21 <Darkvater> no they don't 10:03:31 <jez> #define SDTG_VAR(name, type, flags, guiflags, var, def, min, max, interval, str, proc)\ 10:03:46 <jez> flags, guiflags, var, interval, str, proc 10:03:50 <jez> i dunno what all those do 10:04:24 <Rubidium> jez: look at SettingDescBase in settings.h 10:04:30 <Brianetta> Darkvater: It's only a beta now? Crumbs, after the way this project has been scared to break trunk you'd have to forgive people for thinking that nightlies were meant to be stable. 10:04:56 <Darkvater> Brianetta: was it ever final? 10:05:13 <Brianetta> Perhaps when 0.5 comes out it'll handle loading 0.4.* openttd.cfg files properly? 10:05:27 <Brianetta> Somehow I think it wouldn't if I hadn't kicked off. 10:05:28 <Darkvater> nobody says or has said nightlies were stable ever, even the website has a disclaimer 10:06:02 <jez> hmm 10:06:28 <Brianetta> I've maintained for a long time that nightlies shouldn't be regarded as stable, and you know this. 10:06:31 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-87.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:07:01 <Brianetta> It's the entire reason my nightly server was discontinued 10:07:10 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:46 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:09:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:11:12 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 10:11:12 <Sacro> !logs 10:12:09 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53588af9.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:12:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 10:19:17 *** Tron [k0kwC93b@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 10:23:52 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:24:48 <peter1138> mr Tron 10:25:03 <Tron> hm 10:32:29 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53588af9.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:38:06 <jez> NetworkPacketSend 10:38:10 <jez> ^ where does that get defined 10:41:37 <peter1138> it doesn't 10:42:08 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6443 /trunk/docs/ (landscape.html landscape_grid.html): -Fix (r6001): Please update the documentation if you mess with the _m[] bits! 10:42:43 <peter1138> yay for crappy commit messages ;P 10:43:05 * Darkvater goes and picks up a trout 10:43:05 <jez> peter1138: erm, so how does the code compile and link? 10:43:15 <Darkvater> jez: *magic* 10:43:26 <peter1138> 08network_data.h:#define DEF_CLIENT_SEND_COMMAND(type) void NetworkPacketSend_ ## type ## _command(void) 10:43:30 <peter1138> err, -08 10:43:35 <peter1138> DEF_CLIENT_SEND_COMMAND(foo) 10:43:36 <peter1138> becomes 10:43:44 <peter1138> NetworkPacketSend_foo_command(void) 10:43:50 <Darkvater> jez: just do a search for 'networkpacketsend' in the source 10:43:54 <jez> i did 10:44:02 <jez> it's only referenced, never defined 10:44:12 <Darkvater> I don't think you really did 10:44:23 <Darkvater> cause then you would've seen what peter1138 here above has pasted 10:44:35 <jez> ah i see, i didn't see the void and () 10:44:43 <jez> got it now 10:45:16 <jez> that said, isn't it defined to do nothing? 10:45:43 <peter1138> nope 10:45:51 <peter1138> it's used with { ... }, not ; 10:46:32 <jez> ah 10:46:37 <peter1138> Darkvater: good news, my adsl is now active, and i have next week off work 10:47:03 <peter1138> bad news, my folks are coming up next week and i'll be doing house/garden stuff 10:48:08 <Darkvater> peter1138: that's good news as well, probably not for you though 10:48:16 <Darkvater> you'll be dead tired next week ;p 10:50:26 <jez> anyone know why they've gone to the effort of making macros like DEF_CLIENT_SEND_COMMAND and SEND_COMMAND instead of just using regular functions? 10:50:32 <jez> i must be missing something 10:50:47 <Darkvater> ask TrueLight 10:51:25 <Darkvater> I would say it saved on typing, although I cannot say I agree 10:52:56 <peter1138> might be to allow easier changes... dunno 10:53:14 <AsterixMG> darkvater, if you got some time, can you give me a comment on this: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/342 10:53:55 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77234.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:56:15 <Darkvater> AsterixMG: you delete the stats window when you close the station window, right? 10:56:50 <AsterixMG> darkvater no, it stays open then, its only deleted if the station gets deleted 10:57:12 <AsterixMG> you think it should close when the stationwindow gets closed? 10:57:32 <Darkvater> donnu 10:57:46 <Darkvater> make a choice on where you put the * 10:58:23 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 10:58:41 <peter1138> after the space 10:59:24 <Darkvater> why did you put the extra saveload loop for vehicle_stats? If you plug it into the statiion struct it's done automatcailly 11:00:25 <Darkvater> don't dereference Station *st at the top of StationStatsWndProc 11:00:47 <Darkvater> you only need it for WE_PAINT (just pass w there) and WE_CLICK 11:01:20 <Darkvater> ShowStationStatsWindow 11:01:25 <Darkvater> + Window *w; 11:01:25 <Darkvater> + 11:01:25 <Darkvater> + w = AllocateWindowDescFront(&_station_view_stats, st->index); 11:01:27 <Darkvater> one line 11:01:31 <Darkvater> + const byte color = st->owner; 11:01:31 <Darkvater> + /* Oil-rigs have no owner, set caption-bar-colour to owner colour if no oil-rig */ 11:01:34 <Darkvater> + if (color != OWNER_NONE) w->caption_color = color; 11:01:37 <Darkvater> ??? 11:01:44 <Darkvater> if (st->owner != OWNER_NONE) .... 11:03:15 <Darkvater> const stringarray[STS_VEH_TYPE_COUNT] = { << make this into static const 11:03:39 <Darkvater> +const bool show_average = w->custom[0]; << never do this, we do not dereference w->custom directly 11:03:58 <Darkvater> and what's up with these const non-pointer variables? 11:04:07 <Darkvater> I've seen bjarni do it as well... 11:04:40 <peter1138> DrawStationStatWindow needs consts 11:05:01 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 11:05:17 <peter1138> Darkvater: have you ever looked at other projects' source code? e.g. the linux kernel? 11:05:21 <peter1138> it's disgusting :) 11:05:58 <Darkvater> I'd prefer not to 11:06:00 <AsterixMG> hmm, the coding-style says use const if possible 11:06:07 <Darkvater> had a look at simutrans and still have nightmares 11:07:22 <Darkvater> AsterixMG: for pointers, yes. But for simple in-place variables it's not much use 11:07:56 <AsterixMG> good to know, saves some typing ;) 11:08:24 <Darkvater> hmm, I think 11:08:25 <Darkvater> yes 11:08:28 <Darkvater> it's foodtime 11:14:30 <peter1138> food! 11:18:53 <Gonozal_VIII> all your food is belong to me 11:19:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> *are 11:21:29 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.mercuryparadise.com/flash/0_wing_rhapsody.swf <-- ^^ 11:27:08 <Brianetta> autopilot works on 0.4.8, but obviously isn't capable of producing company information without the players command. 11:28:14 <Brianetta> I might recommend that users overload that response with a simpler one giving the company count alone. 11:30:09 <AsterixMG> Darkvater, about the saving: what do you mean by "plug it into the station struct"? i did the same as what is done with the goods-entrys, which is a struct within the station-struct, too 11:31:11 <jez> Does the 'map' that gets sent by the server to the client on connect also contain information on the existing companies? 11:35:47 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D71E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:42:10 <Brianetta> jez: Yes 11:42:19 <Brianetta> It is basically a streamed saved game 11:42:33 <jez> great 11:42:37 <jez> o well 11:42:47 <roboboy> hello 11:42:54 <Brianetta> roboboy (: 11:43:08 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D71E.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:40 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:47:06 <peter1138> s/basically// 11:47:26 * peter1138 wonders what jez is upto 12:00:50 <Sacro> peter1138: dunno, but it seems interesting 12:03:24 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 12:04:58 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 12:14:42 <Brianetta> jez is deathmatching 12:14:54 <Brianetta> The first public 0.4.8 server with autopilot 2 12:16:52 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:19:10 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:42 *** stefanbeton [stefan@86.105.52.57] has joined #openttd 12:19:49 <stefanbeton> hi 12:20:30 <stefanbeton> i install openttd and sound efects don't work 12:20:35 <stefanbeton> why? 12:20:54 <stefanbeton> help me pleas 12:21:22 <Torm> are you using it on linux or windows? 12:21:30 <stefanbeton> windows 12:21:38 <Torm> hmm, unsure then 12:21:44 <Torm> i use it on linux 12:21:51 <stefanbeton> ok 12:21:53 <Torm> hang around, a windows user should be around 12:21:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> stefanbeton: you have the sample.cat file? 12:21:59 <stefanbeton> ok 12:22:04 <stefanbeton> yes 12:22:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> that contains all sounds 12:22:27 <stefanbeton> is in openttd/data/ 12:22:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> what file size does it have? 12:22:46 <stefanbeton> just a moment 12:23:14 <stefanbeton> 1,608,618 bytes 12:23:18 <stefanbeton> 1.53 mb 12:23:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> that seems correct 12:23:41 <stefanbeton> music work fine 12:23:53 <stefanbeton> but sound efects no 12:24:08 <stefanbeton> sound efects volume = maxim 12:24:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is... really strange... 12:24:35 <stefanbeton> i know... 12:24:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> on windows, all things are supposed to magically work 12:25:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> if they don't, i have no clue how to repair... 12:25:11 <stefanbeton> i like the game .... but i like much more with sound 12:25:43 <stefanbeton> i have audigy 2 sound card 12:25:53 <Frostregen> hmm, me too, but it works 12:25:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> that should not matter... 12:25:58 <stefanbeton> and onboard ac'97 sound card 12:26:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> if DirectX recognizes the sonudcard 12:26:15 <Frostregen> same, but disabled in bios 12:26:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> it should all work 12:26:45 <stefanbeton> yes sound card work very well 12:27:00 <stefanbeton> winamp etc... 12:27:25 <stefanbeton> i install and uninstall but no efect 12:27:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> did you try to plug the speaker in the other sound card, and see if the sound comes there? 12:27:51 <Frostregen> maybe some windows-volume setting? wave / midi is separated 12:28:18 <stefanbeton> i will try 12:28:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... but "wave" should be the same thing that winamp uses... 12:29:27 <Frostregen> maybe 12:29:46 <Frostregen> but it has its own volume-bar 12:29:57 <Frostregen> i don't know if they are synced 12:30:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, they are plugged "in series" 12:30:39 <Frostregen> and perhaps the music is just way louder than sound effects 12:30:48 <Frostregen> ok 12:32:16 <Torm> if you go to the installation directory and type openttd.exe --help it'll give you a list of sound devices you can use 12:32:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82D44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:32:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:32:37 <Torm> List of video drivers: 12:32:38 <Torm> sdl: SDL Video Driver 12:32:38 <Torm> null: Null Video Driver 12:32:38 <Torm> dedicated: Dedicated Video Driver 12:32:38 <Torm> List of sound drivers: 12:32:39 <Torm> sdl: SDL Sound Driver 12:32:40 <Torm> null: Null Sound Driver 12:32:42 <Torm> List of music drivers: 12:32:44 <Torm> extmidi: External MIDI Driver 12:32:46 <Torm> null: Null Music Driver 12:33:58 <stefanbeton> ok 12:34:03 <stefanbeton> thank you 12:34:18 <stefanbeton> i will try 12:38:15 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 12:38:18 <roboboy> gnight 12:38:34 <roboboy> freenode is stupid 12:38:58 <roboboy> its a hell of a job to get robobot working properly on it 12:39:06 <roboboy> so that pms will work 12:39:14 *** roboboy is now known as robobed 12:39:19 <Brianetta> sandbox was OK 12:39:25 <Brianetta> Just needed its nick registering 12:39:30 * robobed folds out of the cupboard 12:39:59 <robobed> would you mind helping me set it up tomorrow 12:40:32 *** stefanbeton [stefan@86.105.52.57] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:33 <robobed> but with robobot to identify you have to send the pm 12:41:26 <robobed> so you have to get its nick registered then allowe non registered users to send it pms 12:42:14 <peter1138> heh 12:42:39 <robobed> thats the biggest pron=blem 12:42:51 <robobed> ^problem 12:44:11 <Brianetta> Jez just realised that deathmatch isn't his scene 12:45:40 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:09 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:48:37 <Sacro> ooh deathmatch 12:49:15 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-38.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 12:51:22 *** jez [freezer@88-96-28-22.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:36 *** dariius [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 13:05:01 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:05:04 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: adios!] 13:05:39 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@85.145.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 13:08:48 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176105215.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:10:50 *** Ammler [~Ammler@116-205.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:58 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:13:10 <Belugas> hello 13:13:17 <Sacro> hey Belugas 13:15:14 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 13:30:44 <Belugas> hello Sacro :) 13:30:54 <Belugas> morning lws1984 13:33:23 * tokai pokes Belugas 13:35:42 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:37:59 * Belugas Belugas just awakes... not quite there yet... 13:38:23 * Sacro goes for a shower 13:40:38 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2W 13:41:20 *** Rens2W is now known as Rens2AFK 13:42:18 <Brianetta> Everybody on my Deathmatch server is being cooperative and polite 13:42:24 <hylje> what the 13:42:39 <Brianetta> "Can you move that bridge?" "Oh, you want to make a tunnel there?" "Yes, please" "No problem." 13:45:13 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:48:34 *** Guest56 [Gono@N734P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 13:54:38 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N841P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:56:55 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 13:57:01 <peter1138> heh 14:03:06 <Brianetta> Now they're informing each other about jams 14:03:17 <Brianetta> I'd expect them to be attempting to *cause* jams 14:03:31 <Brianetta> Absolutely nobody has drowned a vehicle 14:03:42 <Brianetta> Two trains crashed, but htat was user error 14:03:52 <Brianetta> This is no deathmatch 14:04:00 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.4/2006072904]] 14:04:01 <Brianetta> This is just regular OpenTTD 14:05:36 <tokai> OpenTTD != QuakeWorld ;) 14:05:58 <hylje> make the MOTD say "stop being sissies, this is motherfucking deathmatch in my SERVER! 14:06:01 <hylje> " 14:06:05 <Brianetta> heheh 14:06:15 <Brianetta> "Contenders... READY!!!" 14:06:45 <tokai> actaully its nice to have some game you can actually play completly cooperative... usually network games are the exact opposite. 14:08:45 <Brianetta> tokai: A reason why people liked my nightly 14:08:58 <Brianetta> Competition was encouraged. Only antisocial behaviour was discouraged. 14:09:35 <Brianetta> As an example, buying land around te end of a player's network to prevent expansion was regarded antisocial, whereas competing for the same coal mines was not. 14:10:05 <Brianetta> I had emails from angry players. "He stole my cargo. Kick him off." 14:10:20 <glx> that's the game :) 14:10:21 <Brianetta> I'd email them back - "It's not your cargo. You're just bidding to transport it somewhere." 14:10:36 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 14:10:49 <Brianetta> I do plan to run a real r again 14:10:53 <Brianetta> a real server 14:10:56 <tokai> Brianetta: uhm.. well :) 14:10:59 <hylje> the current is a toy? 14:11:04 <Brianetta> Deathmatch is a bit 14:11:11 <Brianetta> It just runs in my flat 14:11:18 <Brianetta> My nightly was a serious server 14:11:22 <tokai> doesn't productivity of an industry increases when more stuff from it gets transported? :) 14:11:54 <Brianetta> tokai: Yes, but you'd be surprised how infrequently players compete for it. In fact, if you look in the openttd wiki multiplayer rules page, 14:12:09 <Brianetta> you'll see that competition for a source of cargo is discouraged. 14:12:19 <hylje> so if two players compete for one, say, coal mine 14:12:35 <hylje> it increases production faster than if it has a monopoly 14:13:20 <Brianetta> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Multiplayer_rules 14:13:24 <Brianetta> Look at the fourth point 14:13:31 <Brianetta> "Follow the rules set down by the server owner. These may include no 'industry stealing' where one player starts a more competitive route than another." 14:13:39 <Brianetta> This is, in fact, the majority of cases. 14:15:05 <hylje> people like to just build a route and be done with it 14:15:14 <hylje> they dont like to get starved 14:15:48 *** grimrc [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:16:19 <Brianetta> yeah 14:16:38 <Brianetta> So, once 0.5 is out, we'll see "Brianetta's Standard" to replace "Brianetta's Nightly" 14:17:11 <Brianetta> It'll be full UKRS, new stations, viaducts, UK HOVs and planeset. 14:17:31 <Brianetta> Its supporting web site will be back, and it'll be a lot more static than before. 14:18:51 <peter1138> heh 14:19:11 <peter1138> UKRS :D 14:19:21 <hylje> whats so :D in ukrs 14:19:38 <Brianetta> British trains, man 14:20:08 <Brianetta> Standard 5s and Bombardier Voyagers 14:20:15 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 14:21:37 <Brianetta> [14:20] <rachel> Tom: I have to go now 14:21:38 <Brianetta> [14:20] <rachel> Tom: have a nice time 14:21:38 <Brianetta> [14:21] <rachel> Tom: was nice to ply with you! 14:21:43 <Brianetta> Deathmatch to the end. Rawr! 14:23:03 <glx> Brianetta: still a bug for ".*\r" and ".*\n" :( 14:23:11 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 14:26:41 * peter1138 accidentally updates the 2cc patch, whilst at work 14:26:48 <Brianetta> glx: Your fix isn't good 14:26:55 <glx> but it worked 14:26:59 <Brianetta> peter1138: Work steals copyright! Argh! 14:27:05 <Brianetta> glx: Only for Windows 14:27:08 <peter1138> what work don't know ... 14:27:12 <Brianetta> I don't want two versions 14:27:20 <Brianetta> Linux sends a lone \n when you hit enter 14:27:29 <Brianetta> Windows sends a \r\n 14:27:42 <Brianetta> Your patch made it do command\r\r 14:27:52 <Brianetta> which entered a second, null command for every real one 14:29:23 <peter1138> Command = Command.Replace("\r\n", "\n"); // C# sucks, honest... 14:30:23 <Brianetta> Apparently, the Windows openttd requires \r to terminate commands 14:30:42 <Brianetta> The linux one works with either, so 2.0.1 terminates all its own commands with \r now 14:31:07 <peter1138> o_O 14:31:12 <Brianetta> but the commands that the user types in at the keyboard apparently don't work unless you change the \r\n to \r\r 14:31:21 <hylje> i smell a WTF 14:31:22 <Brianetta> According to glx 14:31:30 <glx> expect doc says \n is not guaranted to work 14:31:52 <Brianetta> It's ascii 13 14:31:58 <Brianetta> It's just a character 14:32:09 <Brianetta> and it works with openttd in Linux, as does ascii 10 14:32:45 <Brianetta> Since in every case that you changed it was in exp_send, where expect types these characters into the application, it isn't up to Expect to understand it. 14:33:35 <Brianetta> The one where you mapped \n to \r confused me, because you were performing that replace on the user's keyboard input 14:34:12 <Brianetta> The same input that would be sent directly to openttd if autopilot didn't exist 14:42:34 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:43:46 <glx> I just made a quick test (displayed the pattern matched with a puts), and ".*\n" is the one used for windows 14:45:52 <Brianetta> So that's what the user entered 14:46:00 <Brianetta> and should be what goes into the application 14:46:25 <glx> yes but \n doesn't work in exp_send for windows 14:46:31 <Brianetta> .*\n will match .*\r\n 14:46:42 <Brianetta> glx, that sentence is loonty 14:46:52 <glx> no I added this case before the \n case 14:46:54 <Brianetta> Are you saying exp_send isn't capable of sending a \n 14:47:17 <Brianetta> or are you saying that openttd isn't capable of accepting it as newline? 14:47:17 <hylje> arrr 14:47:34 <hylje> miniin still crashes when removing a track which has a train coming 14:47:51 <Brianetta> hylje: The train would have crashe danyway 14:50:34 <hylje> normally the train just stop. 14:50:37 <hylje> +s 14:53:34 <grimrc> trains should crash more easily, shouldn't they? 14:53:54 <Sacro> yes 14:54:11 <grimrc> and they should be harder to turn around 14:54:20 <Sacro> impossible 14:54:23 <Sacro> to turn around 14:54:43 <Sacro> 1 14:55:09 <grimrc> well, what about the insides of depots and stations? 14:55:27 <Sacro> depot yes, station no 14:55:28 <grimrc> I suppose you don't need the reverse icon then 14:55:48 <Sacro> actually, depot no 14:55:59 <Sacro> the only way is to build a turntable, or a triangle 14:56:15 <grimrc> Sacro: you can't see the insides of a depot (might have a turn-table, though it'd be bigger then) 14:57:44 <Brianetta> Turntable only turns a loco around 14:57:45 <Brianetta> not a train 14:57:49 <Sacro> well im all for ditching 1 square depots 14:58:03 <Sacro> Brianetta: you can turn a whole train around... it just takes a while! 14:58:13 <grimrc> that'd be cool - you turn the train around, but the carriages are in reverse order 14:58:21 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 14:58:41 <grimrc> you might want to unlink the train so your passenger carriages are before other ones though 14:58:42 <Sacro> have a run around, and head of back the other way 14:59:11 <grimrc> these changes would add a lot to gameplay 14:59:39 <Sacro> yes 14:59:50 <Sacro> along with proper signalling, and realisting deceleration 15:00:34 *** Spoco- [Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-38.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 15:02:30 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02:31 <grimrc> doesn't realistic acceleration cover deceleration too? 15:02:36 <Sacro> no 15:02:54 <grimrc> I don't know much about train signalling 15:02:54 <Sacro> at a red signal, or track end, a train can stop in under 1 square 15:03:53 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-38.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:02 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:06:31 <grimrc> should there be any 'extern' declarations, instead of 'VARDEF' declarations? 15:08:46 <peter1138> we should avoid extern and VARDEF 15:09:21 <peter1138> Sacro: it does cover it, if you ask the train to stop on a clear stretch of track 15:09:36 <grimrc> well, everyone knows global variables are to be avoided 15:10:11 <peter1138> grimrc: yes, but better to define it properly 15:10:35 <grimrc> I can't tell the difference 15:11:08 <peter1138> how about: variables.h is a crock of shit 15:11:22 <grimrc> I'm just moving 'static Pixel _cursor_backup[64 * 64]; ---- to gfx.h 15:11:37 <Sacro> peter1138: yes, thats quite nice, even more so when you get a 20 long wood train to stop downhill! 15:11:46 <grimrc> as in, the whole idea of a 'variable.h' is crazy? 15:11:47 <Brianetta> variables.h is a container of powerful fertilizer 15:11:48 <Sacro> but trains shouldnt emergancy stop for a red signal 15:12:18 <peter1138> hmm, what needs the backup cursor outside of gfx.c? 15:12:23 <grimrc> Sacro: unrealistically emergency stop? 15:12:30 <Brianetta> successfully 15:12:36 <Brianetta> They should certainly try 15:12:57 <grimrc> peter1138: my new patch to draw several cursor sprites, so you can see large chunks of a train when you drag with ctrl key 15:13:21 <glx> and it's not in gfx.c ? 15:13:39 *** Rens2AFK is now known as Rens2Sea 15:13:42 <Sacro> grimrc: yes, trains should decelerate from the previous yellow signal, and if the red is too close it'll slam on, but not generally stop in time 15:14:14 <Brianetta> It would certainly give players cause to think about realistic signal block lengths 15:14:24 <grimrc> glx: no; I build a cursor sprite of trains, and as I add each wagon, I test if I would over-run the current buffer; then I can put an ellipsis or something at the end to denote 'more wagons' 15:14:35 <Brianetta> The current practice of four or more blocks per train would die sharply 15:15:06 <grimrc> (cursor sprite array of train wagons) 15:15:18 <Sacro> Brianetta: yes, no more signals every single square 15:15:44 <grimrc> (cursor sprite array of pointers to train wagons) hehe 15:16:51 <grimrc> (and their individual offsets) 15:18:39 <grimrc> I've got it working; it adds wagon sprites till the buffer would be full (one buffer for all the screen space used; not individual buffers); I haven't added an ellipsis though; maybe later 15:19:40 <peter1138> i hate that... signals on every or every other tile... 15:20:51 <Sacro> peter1138: well people should have to leave a fair bit of space for trains to decelerate 15:21:04 <grimrc> I've added 'Sprite *sprite2[MAX_CURSOR_SPRITES]' and 'Point sprite2_offs[(same)]' to 'struct CursorVars', leaving the old 'Sprite *sprite' intact; I wonder if I should remove that and rely totally on the array 15:21:32 <peter1138> Sacro: people'll also complain that we're forcing things on them ;) 15:21:53 <Sacro> peter1138: as opposed to them forcing things onto the brakes 15:22:25 <grimrc> could be a patch 15:22:31 <grimrc> patch setting 15:22:54 <Sacro> yeah it will be 15:23:18 <glx> Brianetta: from exp_send doc on ActiveState: Characters are sent immediately, although programs with line-buffered input will not read the characters until a return character is sent. A return character is denoted "\r". 15:25:07 <Brianetta> So you're saying that the program with line-buffered input (openttd) will not read the characters until a return character is sent? 15:25:16 <Brianetta> Surely the user sent a return character? 15:25:16 <glx> yes 15:25:36 <Brianetta> But that didn't work? 15:25:59 <Brianetta> autopilot does nothing to it 15:26:15 <Brianetta> It sends the command, in its entirety, to openttd 15:26:35 <glx> only ".*\n" is matched 15:26:36 <Brianetta> including the return characters 15:26:43 <Brianetta> .* means ANYTHING 15:26:48 <Brianetta> including more \ns and \r 15:27:03 <glx> but there is no \r in the line 15:27:17 <Brianetta> So the user never tpyed \r ? 15:27:23 <glx> never 15:27:38 <Brianetta> So, how on Earth does the user manage to type commands in when autopilot isn't there? 15:27:48 <Brianetta> Or does that not work with your patch? 15:33:25 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2EveOnline 15:39:24 * Brianetta tentatively prods glx 15:39:59 <glx> ? 15:40:22 <hylje> tentacles 15:40:26 <Brianetta> Does your patched openttd accept user commands? 15:40:45 *** Ammler_ is now known as Ammler 15:40:51 <glx> yes as the non patched openttd does 15:41:14 <Brianetta> Something doesn't add up 15:45:05 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B36779.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 15:45:55 <Brianetta> If the user never typed \r, then openttd shouldn't accept the command 15:46:11 <Brianetta> unless they did type \r really, or openttd accepts a \n instead 15:48:33 <Brianetta> glx: Does autopilot work OK if the user presses Ctrl+M instead of the enter key? 15:49:24 <glx> yes it does 15:49:35 <Brianetta> What about Ctrl+J ? 15:49:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> i was under the impression that Ctrl+M gets interpreted the same as Enter long before it reaches the application 15:50:01 <glx> ctrl+J fails 15:50:33 <Brianetta> If Ctrl+M is being interpreted as Enter before reaching the application, then it's before exp_send 15:50:41 <Brianetta> which is what sends characters to the application 15:50:49 <Brianetta> exp_send does nothing to the characters it sends 15:51:06 <glx> ctrl+J fails in openttd too 15:51:31 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 15:51:35 <Brianetta> which is what makes it different to he Linux one 15:51:56 <Brianetta> So what's eating the Ctrl+M, and inserting a Ctrl+J? 15:52:12 <Brianetta> Ctrl+M = \r, Ctrl+J = \n 15:53:05 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:53:22 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:53:48 <Brianetta> glx: Something to try which should be cross-platform compatible, and less work for Tcl than string map 15:54:10 <Brianetta> Remove lines 346. 347. 348 15:54:15 <glx> parentheses and send \r at the end ? 15:54:27 <Brianetta> erm 15:54:30 <Brianetta> nearly 15:54:57 <Brianetta> After line 347 (which was 350) add the next line: 15:55:06 <Brianetta> exp_send "\r" 15:55:27 <Brianetta> Actually, all those exp_sends should have -i $::ds 15:55:41 <glx> I though that too but was unsure :) 15:55:45 <Brianetta> so try that first, it might fix it 15:55:56 <Brianetta> There's only one spawn ID 15:56:03 <Brianetta> but it's never a bad idea to remain explicit 15:58:29 <Brianetta> That solution works, although it certainly does add an extra enter to the Linux one 16:00:06 *** Tron [k0kwC93b@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:17 *** Tron [gixMxS3V@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 16:02:01 <Brianetta> If you still need to send an additional \r in your copy then we're just going to have to live with an expensive string map 16:02:46 <glx> it works with the extra "\r" 16:03:01 <Brianetta> but not without 16:03:07 <glx> exact 16:03:11 <Brianetta> OK, string map here we go )-: 16:03:24 <Brianetta> I suppose use_console can be turned off fairly easily 16:03:30 <Brianetta> or commands can just not be typed in 16:03:30 <glx> why not use parentheses ? that works too with them 16:03:39 <Brianetta> explain 16:04:12 <glx> -re "(.*)\n" { 16:04:13 <glx> exp_send -i $::ds "$expect_out(1,string)\r" 16:04:13 <glx> } 16:04:13 <glx> 16:04:29 <Brianetta> because that sends the \n 16:04:39 <Brianetta> which the Linux one can see 16:05:56 <Brianetta> -re ".*\n" { 16:05:57 <Brianetta> exp_send -i $::ds [string map {"\n" "\r"} $expect_out(0,string)] 16:05:57 <Brianetta> } 16:06:04 <glx> the parentheses do the same as string map 16:06:16 <Brianetta> No, they don't 16:06:18 <Brianetta> That appends \r 16:06:47 <Brianetta> Oh, you're using a regexp atom 16:07:47 <glx> yes 16:08:00 <Brianetta> All right, I'll use that 16:08:06 <Brianetta> even though it's ugly (: 16:10:44 <glx> it should be more efficient than string map :) 16:10:55 <Brianetta> yes, just 16:11:12 <Brianetta> because it's already a regexp 16:11:23 <Brianetta> although now it's slightly more complex 16:14:12 <Brianetta> Right 16:14:14 <Brianetta> 2.02 16:14:16 <Brianetta> 2.0.2 16:14:24 <Brianetta> Second bugfix release 16:14:54 <glx> now every windows users will be happy :) 16:14:59 <Brianetta> Almost 16:15:03 <Brianetta> Some will be too timid 16:15:44 <Brianetta> Imagine how Vista would react to installing ActiveTcl, running an unsigned app from a forum, then allowing a bunch of scripts to run a game server? 16:17:07 <glx> Sacro: you have Vista beta, right? 16:22:49 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-236-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:23:18 <Wolf01> hi 16:24:02 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:26:07 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC58C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:15 <Brianetta> hi Wolf01 16:26:16 *** Rens2EveOnline is now known as Rens2Sea 16:26:29 <Brianetta> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=491463#491463 16:29:05 <peter1138> update the title :) 16:29:12 <Brianetta> Oh yeah (: 16:29:33 <Brianetta> ta 16:29:58 <Brianetta> It goes! 16:30:03 <Brianetta> It goes vroom! 16:30:48 <Sacro> glx: i have Vista Beta and RC1 16:31:13 <glx> Sacro: nice so you can try autopilot with it :) 16:31:15 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:23 <Brianetta> Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to have a go with autopilot on that. 16:32:33 <Sacro> i unfortunatly have no system :( 16:32:53 * Brianetta blinks 16:33:09 <Sacro> i only have my laptop now, and it refuses to let me even install XP 16:33:21 <Brianetta> Sensible laptop. 16:33:41 <Sacro> yeah, even though it has a licence for home 16:33:41 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 16:35:25 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82D44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:55 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:31 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:45 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 17:04:17 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 17:22:13 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:29:05 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:15 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:42:57 <CIA-2> miham * r6444 /trunk/lang/ (catalan.txt turkish.txt): 17:42:57 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-09-12 19:42:24 17:42:57 <CIA-2> catalan - 1 fixed, 37 changed by arnaullv (38) 17:42:57 <CIA-2> turkish - 1 fixed by jnmbk (1) 17:43:44 <MiHaMiX> Total I18N status: 94% - 4737 bad strings out of 78996 strings 17:45:27 *** JonA [~jonathan@palmyra.fatbeast.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:47:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:49:32 <izhirahider> is that good? 17:51:55 <MiHaMiX> izhirahider: well, yesterday it was only 93% 18:08:12 <izhirahider> that's nice 18:11:29 *** jez [shiny@88-96-28-22.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:11:41 <jez> Having set a password for a company on a multiplayer game, can you remove it? 18:11:49 <Rexxie> is there no way to replace electric trains with other electric trains? 18:12:24 <hylje> it is 18:12:28 <hylje> look at the bottom 18:12:50 <Belugas> Why do birds suddenly appear every time you are near? 18:12:59 <Rexxie> I'm talking about the "replace vehicles" dialog, it will only let me convert electric trains to diesel ones 18:13:22 <hylje> it does let you replace el-el 18:13:31 <hylje> look at the bottom, theres a subtle button there 18:13:52 <Rexxie> aah 18:13:55 <Rexxie> nicely hidden that :) 18:14:45 <Rexxie> thanks :) 18:15:05 <Brianetta> jez: There are ways, but they're crap 18:15:16 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2EveOnline 18:17:13 *** Tron [gixMxS3V@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:27:55 *** Ajcon [~ajcon2@83.145.59.26] has joined #openttd 18:28:06 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 18:53:35 *** Belugas [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:54 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:07 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 19:05:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 19:06:50 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 19:31:50 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-87.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:13 *** Rens2EveOnline is now known as Rens2Sea 19:40:58 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:41:43 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-237-195.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:47:50 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:50:17 *** Vizzerdrix [Greeny@ppp85-140-75-3.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: See you!] 20:02:01 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:06:21 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-64.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up.] 20:06:22 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:46 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p5081BE85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 20:12:24 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 20:14:32 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-142-165.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:17:07 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [] 20:19:50 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 20:20:47 <Belugas> !seen Maedhros 20:20:47 <_42_> Belugas, Maedhros (~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net) was last seen quitting #openttd 1 day 3 hours 47 minutes ago (11.09. 16:33) stating "Quit: leaving" after spending 8 hours 14 minutes there. 20:21:40 <peter1138> hmm 20:24:11 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B36779.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:43 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 20:25:40 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [] 20:25:46 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 20:27:13 <peter1138> getting ~ 540KB/s now 20:28:06 <Sacro> peter1138: git :p 20:28:18 <Sacro> thats 4MB/s ? 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22:26:53 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 22:29:38 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:29:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-236-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:31:32 <glx> Brianetta: nice :) 22:35:28 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 22:36:30 <glx> a suggestion: make the join/left/rename language dependant 22:37:01 <glx> +detection :) 22:41:07 <Brianetta> It's something I am aware of 22:41:24 <Brianetta> detection is bad, there are hundreds of languages, and openttd supports about half of them 22:42:09 <Brianetta> I might break it out into a mini-language file 22:42:20 <Brianetta> which a user can translate by copying the strings from their language file 22:42:33 <Brianetta> I *could* do that myself, but I don't want to maintain it 22:42:35 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:26 <glx> just add that in lang_*.tcl, so if someone wants his language supported, he adds it 22:43:37 <Brianetta> Yeah, I could 22:43:54 <Brianetta> but I don't assume that the language of autopilot and the labguage of openttd must match 22:44:24 <glx> right 22:44:39 <glx> anyway openttd language is readable in openttd.cfg 22:44:40 <Brianetta> and they have to be translated not just well, but identically to the openttd source 22:48:17 <Eddi|zuHause> you could just take the strings from lang/*.txt 22:48:40 <Brianetta> yes, I could 22:48:58 <Brianetta> [23:42] <Brianetta> which a user can translate by copying the strings from their language file 22:48:58 <Brianetta> [23:42] <Brianetta> I *could* do that myself, but I don't want to maintain it 22:49:03 <glx> maybe you could get the current language in cfg, change it to english, start the server and put it back 22:49:18 <Brianetta> I can't 22:49:24 <Brianetta> openttd reads the config file itself 22:49:31 <Brianetta> and autopilot never writes to it 22:50:13 <glx> or we could add a command to change the language from console :) 22:50:37 <Brianetta> We could, yes 22:50:57 <Brianetta> Not sensible, but totally doable 22:53:32 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 22:53:55 *** eper [eperdeme@eper.net] has quit [] 23:04:40 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:08:32 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D583.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:12 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 23:14:04 <Brianetta> glx: Do you have ssh? 23:14:13 <glx> I have putty 23:14:18 <Brianetta> hmm 23:14:26 <Brianetta> Have a look at svn over ssh on the web 23:14:49 <Brianetta> If you can do it with putty, get in touch tomorrow and I'll look at getting you svn access to autopilot 23:14:57 <Brianetta> Right now, I'm off to bed 23:15:02 <glx> good night 23:15:06 <Brianetta> night 23:15:13 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 23:16:55 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 23:27:56 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:36:10 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:49 *** jez [shiny@88-96-28-22.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:53:25 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-134-255.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:59:17 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-143-012.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:36 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen