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Log for #openttd on 17th September 2006:
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00:02:00  <Sacro> >< mind warpage
00:05:15  <Sacro> yay, sophie is online
00:05:40  <mikk36> lol
00:05:49  <Sacro> and shes had a crap night :(
00:07:12  <Bjarni> been dating a jerk again?
00:08:41  <Sacro> yep
00:08:51  <Sacro> well, not dating
00:08:52  <mikk36> lol
00:09:03  <Bjarni> pwned :P
00:09:07  <Sacro> she really likes/ed him, but we all reckon he's gay
00:09:15  <mikk36> lol
00:09:19  <mikk36> err'
00:09:24  <mikk36> i can't see my own text :P
00:09:28  <mikk36> damn xchat
00:09:33  <Bjarni> he wants to fuck you instead?
00:09:42  <Sacro> well, apparently, yes
00:10:07  * Bjarni fails to get it
00:10:25  <mikk36> think wider
00:10:25  <Sacro> Bjarni: ill send him round ;)
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00:10:32  <Bjarni> he is with a girl and wants to fuck a guy in the ass instead or even be fucked in the ass
00:10:37  <Bjarni> is she that bad?
00:10:46  <Sacro> in what way?
00:10:49  <mikk36> lol...
00:11:20  <mikk36> seems sick, doesn't it ? :D
00:11:48  <Bjarni> btw why didn't they have a great time?
00:12:17  <Sacro> cos she put her heart on the line and told him how she felt, and he totally ignored her
00:12:33  <Bjarni> I mean, they could sit in a pub and talk about who looks like somebody they wanted to fuck and they might end up discovering that they got the same taste
00:12:50  <Sacro> :o
00:13:40  <Bjarni> so she cared for him
00:13:48  <Bjarni> and you still think she cares for you....
00:13:56  <Sacro> i know she cares for me
00:14:01  <Sacro> and i care for her
00:14:02  <Sacro> but she cares for him
00:14:05  <Sacro> and he doesnt care about her
00:14:27  <PandaMojo> Which shakespear play is this again?
00:14:35  <Bjarni> is she like a polymamist?
00:14:54  <Bjarni> PandaMojo: the one about Sacro's real life
00:15:12  <Bjarni> which means the one that's impossible to understand
00:15:15  <Sacro> PandaMojo: well... its kinda like a midsummers nights dream
00:15:24  <Sacro> ive not got started on Cat yet :p
00:15:32  <PandaMojo> I think I actually acted in that one.
00:15:41  <PandaMojo> Not that I remember it.  At all.
00:15:42  <Sacro> me too
00:15:47  <Sacro> i think i was a tree :S
00:16:01  <PandaMojo> Wait, was that the one with Sir Toby Belch?
00:16:06  <Bjarni> oh, that reminds me of when I was 7 or something
00:16:09  <Sacro> i dont think that was shakespear
00:16:14  <PandaMojo> Hmmm.
00:16:16  * PandaMojo googles
00:16:17  <Sacro> :|
00:16:31  <Sacro> >< please tell them to stop putting impotence ads on the tv
00:16:32  <PandaMojo> Twelfth Night aparently.
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00:16:59  <Bjarni> the whole class should play an act for the parents and I was a dog, that was walked in the park. I was dressed up like a dog and told to act like a dog, so I went to a tree and lifted my leg :D
00:17:06  <Sacro> haha
00:17:34  <Bjarni> the best part is that the girl, who played my owner got upset for real and started to yell at me.... at me, not the dog :D
00:17:46  <Bjarni> and the parents were laughing
00:17:51  <Sacro> heh
00:18:10  <Bjarni> I did as I was told: I acted like a dog
00:18:11  <Sacro> my favourite drama lesson was one where i had to lie and pretend to be dead, and girls in skirts kept stepping over me
00:18:24  <PandaMojo> Hahah
00:18:46  <Bjarni> was that a drama lesson or a daydream?
00:18:55  <PandaMojo> Does it matter? :D
00:19:00  <Bjarni> no
00:19:30  <PandaMojo> Heh, I remember, I had commanded my ability to produce belches on demand - it worked well for playing Sir Toby Belch :P
00:19:49  <PandaMojo> And since I was like 12 I enjoyed being able to do such a thing immensely.
00:20:00  <Bjarni> :)
00:20:01  <Sacro> heh, i can belch on demand
00:20:13  <gw280> hooray for people who can belch on demand!
00:20:19  <gw280> BURP!
00:20:24  <PandaMojo> I could make monstorous belches.  Earth shattering ones.
00:20:25  <Bjarni> Sacro: that's mandatory if you enter Hull, right?
00:20:52  <PandaMojo> These days I get heartburn if I do one of those gut busters though
00:22:31  <Bjarni> now that I think about it, it sounds totally wrong that a girl had me on a leach, but being 7 years old and acting like a dog, I didn't think about that
00:22:48  <Bjarni> now I will say: damn that female teacher, who got that idea
00:23:35  <Sacro> Bjarni: leave hull alone
00:24:22  <CIA-2> rubidium * r6469 /branches/MiniIN/ (12 files): [MiniIN]: Introduce and use some macros/functions to make merging savegame bumps in trunk easier.
00:25:19  <Sacro> Rubidium: any chance you can sync MiniIN up to 2cc?
00:26:46  <Rubidium> yes, that is why I added those macros/functions
00:26:54  <Sacro> Rubidium: ahh, nice :)
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00:33:54  <Sacro> lws1984!
00:34:01  <lws1984> Sacro!
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00:40:01  <Bjarni> Sacro: I just realised that you remind me of Forest Gump
00:40:11  <Bjarni> you like a girl, who likes you
00:40:21  <Bjarni> but she is dating other guys
00:40:40  <Bjarni> and you don't get why
00:41:56  <Sacro> hmm... could have a point there
00:42:41  <Bjarni> she will not fuck with you before she gets AIDS :P
00:42:52  <Bjarni> then she will move together with you
00:43:09  <Bjarni> well, that is how it is in the movie
00:43:34  <ln-> it's Forrrest Gump
00:43:41  <ln-> oops
00:43:51  <ln-> with two r's, preferably
00:45:43  <Bjarni> Sacro: tell that to Sophie and tell her that she will get AIDS unless you go steady... Hollywood told you that
00:46:02  <Bjarni> but if it backfires, you will have to deal with it, not me
00:46:36  <Bjarni> anyway it's late
00:46:38  <Bjarni> goodnight
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00:49:43  <Sacro> :o BRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAASSSSTS
00:49:58  <CIA-2> rubidium * r6470 /branches/MiniIN/ (42 files in 5 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk r6439:6468.
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01:01:56  <kbrooks> hi
01:02:31  <Sacro> hi kbrooks
01:02:51  <kbrooks> why did we move?
01:04:22  <Sacro> because freenode was annoying
01:09:03  <kbrooks> define annoying
01:09:28  <Sacro> lilo kept spamming people with global messages
01:15:09  <Tobin>  He'll not be doing much of that anymore.
01:15:58  <kbrooks> hre died, actually
01:16:03  <kbrooks> he*
01:16:11  <kbrooks> hit by a car
01:16:17  <lws1984> he did?
01:16:25  <Tobin> Yup.
01:16:27  <kbrooks> yes
01:16:58  <Sacro> lws1984: yeah, lilo died tonight
01:17:41  <lws1984> interesting
01:17:45  <Sacro> anywho, im off to bed
01:17:46  <lws1984> what happens to freenode?
01:17:49  <lws1984> gnight Sacro
01:17:57  <Sacro> dunno, someone might take over
01:18:01  <Tobin> lws1984: Why would anything happen?
01:18:12  <Tobin> They'll replace lilo with someone else.
01:18:18  <Sacro> grub!
01:18:33  <kbrooks> no, Tobin
01:18:39  <kbrooks> they wont
01:18:48  <kbrooks> rob is irreplacable
01:19:17  <Tobin> kbrooks: You know what I meant. Don't twist the words.
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01:19:30  <kbrooks> ok ok
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01:54:08  <roboboy> gmorning
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03:47:41  <Tobin> Heh.
03:48:18  <Tobin> Some people on an different, and mostly stuip, IRC server are convinced I'm someone they know pretending to be someone different.
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06:42:19  <Wolf01> hi
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08:05:21  <Patrick_> back to freenode then?
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08:16:19  <grimrc> heh
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10:25:32  <Naksu> haha
10:25:36  <Naksu> Ben174: fuckin paypal.. they need new databases or something.. seems like every other day i get an email and have to go update my account information.
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10:49:56  <SpComb> Naksu: I hope that was meant as a joke
10:50:46  <SpComb> ah right, it was a non-quoted quote
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11:02:09  <peter1138> hi
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11:05:04  <Sacro> ZO RELAXEN UND WATSCHEN DER BLINKENLICHTEN.
11:06:18  <peter1138> yes, we can read #tycoon
11:06:27  <Sacro> hehe
11:07:19  <peter1138> damn ubuntu
11:07:27  <peter1138> leave it two days and you come back to 40MB of updates...
11:07:28  <Sacro> why?
11:07:31  <Sacro> ouch
11:07:40  <peter1138> 808KB/s :D
11:07:41  <peter1138> 808KB/s :D
11:07:42  <peter1138> 808KB/s :D
11:07:42  <peter1138> 808KB/s :D
11:07:50  <Sacro> Arch still hasnt had the GNOME 2.16 update yet
11:08:14  <peter1138> Fetched 39.9MB in 50s (792kB/s)
11:08:37  <Sacro> :o
11:08:50  <Sacro> thats 50 floppies per second
11:09:46  <peter1138> Prof_Frink: did you see that? ;)
11:10:01  <peter1138> hehe, it takes far longer to install the things...
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11:15:05  <peter1138> still going
11:17:49  <peter1138> finally
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11:33:24  <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6471 /trunk/console_cmds.c:
11:33:24  <CIA-2> -Fix (r6450): ConPatch was moved from network-only, but the function was
11:33:24  <CIA-2>  still inside the ENABLE_NETWORK define. Thanks nycom.
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11:47:28  <grimrc> flat in summer and dips @ christmas; except for 2006 summer, where it actually dipped: http://freenode.net/history.shtml
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11:54:27  <ln-> http://www.micom.net/oops/MD80_Hard_Landing.mpeg
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12:14:28  <ln-> no more lilospam.
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12:21:12  <Prof_Frink> peter1138: what?
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12:23:32  <Born_Acorn> I've ust arrived on that, so I'm guessing he said "Hi. I'm peter1138 and I'm about to commit newsounds!"
12:23:59  <Prof_Frink> alas, no
12:24:00  <Prof_Frink> [12:12:30] < peter1138> Prof_Frink: did you see that? ;)
12:24:07  <Prof_Frink> I guess I didn't
12:25:28  <Born_Acorn> Obviously he did say "Hi. I'm peter1138 and I'm about to commit newsounds!", and asked you if you saw him say it!
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12:31:41  <Wolf01> what about the semaphores patch? seem that nobody noticed it
12:32:09  <Born_Acorn> The Semaphores that come with nsignalsw.grf aren't very pretty.
12:32:37  <Wolf01> ok, the graphic is changeable
12:32:53  <Born_Acorn> So not many people use semaphores as a result.
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12:37:15  <Maedhros> Wolf01: i think there are already 2 seperate patches on flyspray for making semaphores the default before a certain date
12:37:54  <Wolf01> both with the configurable date in configure patches?
12:38:05  <Maedhros> one of them, yes
12:39:03  <Wolf01> but mine is buggy and break the signal gui :D
12:39:29  <Maedhros> hehe
12:40:03  <Maedhros> what i think would be good is if the dates were configurable by each client seperately, rather than set on the server for everyone
12:40:11  <Maedhros> that's a bit more of an intrusive patch, though
12:40:18  <Wolf01> mine can
12:40:42  * Maedhros looks
12:41:20  <Wolf01> you need only to change a flag in settings.c
12:41:21  <Born_Acorn>  http://www.tt-forums.net/files/muir_and_co_9th_jun_1941_150.png <-- Pretty Semaphores!
12:41:50  <Born_Acorn> (That's an OpenTTD screen, too)
12:42:12  <Wolf01> are them from the usset?
12:44:09  <Born_Acorn> I think so.
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12:46:20  <Born_Acorn> ah. http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/details.php?do=details&id=111
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13:00:27  <CIA-2> rubidium * r6472 /branches/MiniIN/vehicle.c: [MiniIN]: [Physics]: Fix. initialize road vehicle data properly (hertogjan).
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13:14:29  <sc> heyyyyy
13:14:33  <sc> why did we move
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13:15:08  <SimonRC> I suppose it acts as a sort of <whisper>garbage-collection</>
13:15:26  <SimonRC> shouldn't say that too loud round C programmers :-)
13:15:31  <blathijs_> izhirahider: "it"?
13:15:33  <blathijs_> uh
13:15:37  <blathijs_> SimonRC: "it"?
13:15:46  <SimonRC> nonono
13:16:03  <SimonRC> oh
13:16:24  <SimonRC> moving caused all the people who autojoin but otherwise ignore the channel to be gone
13:16:41  <SimonRC> copy-and-sweep GC
13:16:55  <grimrc> is 82 people less?
13:17:19  <blathijs_> ah :-)
13:17:39  <SimonRC> about half what I saw back on freenode
13:17:51  <SimonRC> anyway, why *did* we move?
13:18:37  <grimrc> wonder how freenode will change without lilo
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13:19:11  <jez> How do you cause desert cities to grow
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13:19:24  <SimonRC> scrollback says: 12th Aug
13:19:25  <SimonRC> 16:10 -!- Bjarni changed the topic of #openttd to: channel closed. We moved to a new server. #openttd on irc.oftc.net
13:19:29  <SimonRC> 16:10 < lws1984> really?
13:19:31  <SimonRC> 16:10 < JohnUK89> Bjarni: WTF?
13:19:34  <SimonRC> 16:10 < lws1984> Bjarni: is this an August Fools joke?
13:19:36  <SimonRC> hmm
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13:20:41  <glx> jez: at least water
13:20:52  <SimonRC> lilo's dead?
13:20:59  <grimrc> yep
13:21:04  * SimonRC reads his 2 months of global notices scrollback
13:21:09  <SimonRC> OMFG
13:21:11  <SimonRC> :-(
13:22:09  <Born_Acorn> SimonRC, are you a bit slow on the uptake? :p
13:23:08  <peter1138> Prof_Frink: i said "Fetched 39.9MB in 50s (792kB/s)"
13:23:24  <Prof_Frink> bleargh
13:23:47  <Born_Acorn> peter1138, you should have said news hounds!
13:24:54  <Sacro> :o news hounds
13:28:24  <Prof_Frink> Holy moly, my computer just hibernated
13:28:42  <Prof_Frink> 'cept Kicker seems to have suffered a bit
13:29:09  <hylje> :o
13:29:36  <Prof_Frink> It's never managed to hibernate under linux before
13:29:51  <SimonRC> heh
13:29:55  <Prof_Frink> I do need to get a new power brick though
13:30:52  * Prof_Frink resurrects Kicker
13:31:19  <Prof_Frink> peter1138: Fetched 5B in 0s (8B/s)
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13:38:52  <Maedhros> hmm. http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/road_behind_bus_stop.png ??
13:39:33  <hylje> yes, bug came with drive-through bus/lorry stops
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13:40:28  <Maedhros> i'm using trunk, not mini-in, though...
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13:55:29  <valhallasw> lilo is dead? O_o
13:55:55  <Kjetil> yes
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14:05:56  <gw280> how do I set the starting year for a game?
14:06:19  <gw280> (multiplayer game)
14:06:38  <gw280> ah
14:06:39  <gw280> never mind
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14:14:42  <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
14:14:42  <Sacro> !logs
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15:15:47  <rysh> hi
15:15:49  <rysh> :)
15:18:26  <grimrc> does anyone know where/how I'd find a subset symbol in unicode?  I've tried looking with gucharmap
15:21:42  <grimrc> oh I've managed to use the search function properly
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15:31:49  <Sacro> ? :o
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15:54:02  <gw280> arggghh 1800 passengers in my train station :)
15:55:07  <ln-> they are very patient
15:55:28  <gw280> 2800 in my bus station...
15:55:39  <hylje> :>
15:58:06  <peter1138> crappy service ;p
15:58:09  <ln-> wow, maybe they'll grandchildren live long enough to catch the bus.
15:58:17  <gw280> down to 2300
15:58:19  <gw280> I have lots of buses
15:58:20  <gw280> lol
15:58:45  <gw280> the problems with cities of population 8500
15:58:46  <gw280> meh
15:59:00  <gw280> 4000 of which are sitting in the bus stations :)
16:00:31  <hylje> :>
16:01:10  <ln-> you need to build a striptease bar next to the bus station to get some extra income.
16:01:15  <gw280> heh
16:01:25  <gw280> do aircraft earn more money if the airports are further apart?
16:02:18  <hylje> yes
16:02:27  <gw280> hrmm
16:02:28  <gw280> ok
16:04:20  <grimrc> dragging stuff: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/337
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16:23:55  <CIA-2> KUDr * r6473 /trunk/road_map.c: -Fix: FS#347 town extends road beyond road stop. Fixed by r5062, unfixed by r5798. Now there is proper comment, so it should not happen again.
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16:47:01  <PandaMojo> Oooh yay!
16:47:06  <PandaMojo> That one was bugging me too.
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16:57:33  <AsterixMG> hi @all
16:58:23  <SimonRC> j0
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17:36:41  <MeusH> hi
17:36:58  <Wolf01> hi
17:36:59  <Sacro> hey MeusH
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17:47:51  <Kjetil> Is someone logging #openttd to web ?
17:48:03  <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
17:48:03  <Wolf01> !logs
17:48:11  <Kjetil> thanks
17:48:15  <Sacro> Kjetil: yes
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18:12:14  <Sacro> !seen orudge
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18:22:10  <Ibigoo> hi all!
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18:23:37  <Sacro> hey Ibigoo
18:23:53  <AsterixMG> hi Ibigoo
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18:25:06  <Ibigoo> i have an innocent question about the cities in the OTTD
18:25:15  <Sacro> ooh, go on
18:25:31  <Ibigoo> where can i set that the cities not grow...?
18:25:53  <Ibigoo> my girlfriend try the game and she likes the little villages... :)
18:25:56  <Wolf01> eheh good question
18:26:12  <Kjetil> hehe.. you don't ? :P
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18:26:33  <AsterixMG> i don't know any option to turn off city-growth
18:26:44  <Sacro> hmmm, ttdp has one i think
18:26:50  <Ibigoo> console command...?
18:26:58  <Ibigoo> or in the settings...?
18:26:59  <Sacro> and im sure there was a "towns build no roads" patch
18:27:20  <AsterixMG> Sacro, yeah, but this is OpenTTD, not ttdp ;)
18:27:36  <Prof_Frink> and openTTD sucks
18:28:01  <Sacro> Prof_Frink: hush
18:28:15  <AsterixMG> Prof_Frink, so why are you in this channel then? :)
18:28:18  <lws1984> Prof_Frink: each of them have its uses
18:28:31  <Born_Acorn> Calm down you fools!
18:28:36  <MeusH> AsterixMG, maybye he wants to know what's up here
18:28:40  <Born_Acorn> Prof_Frink is joking.
18:28:42  <MeusH> but he said rude thing
18:29:05  <Ibigoo> so, in the OTTD not available that setting...?
18:29:18  <MeusH> no (not yet)
18:29:47  <Ibigoo> oh my, how can i say to my girlfriend ;D
18:29:53  <Ibigoo> thanks
18:29:57  <MeusH> surround the city
18:30:16  <Prof_Frink> AsterixMG: So I can check on its suckyness
18:30:29  <AsterixMG> Prof_Frink, :P
18:30:38  <Wolf01> the enhanced town handling should have it
18:31:03  <AsterixMG> Wolf01, miniin?
18:31:09  <Wolf01> yes
18:31:44  <Wolf01> it doesn't have it yet, but it should... by the name
18:31:44  <Ibigoo> Meush: wherewith can she surround the cities?
18:31:50  <MeusH> Ibigoo, if you surround it with bought land/something else, it won't grow
18:32:05  <MeusH> you will have villages-sized cities with skyscrapers
18:32:27  <MeusH> so, it is buy-land
18:32:31  <MeusH> railroad
18:32:55  <MeusH> anything so that town won't bridge over it to continue its growth
18:33:31  <Ibigoo> but the city goverment can make railroad crossing, so the railroad not the best solution
18:33:38  <Ibigoo> the water too
18:34:44  <AsterixMG> hmm, did DV say if he will be available today?
18:35:05  <Wolf01> a switch to disable the town growth or at least make it slooooooowy should be useful
18:35:19  <Ibigoo> i asked him - DV - but he's away
18:36:19  <AsterixMG> Ibigoo, you could play a desert-map, at least the cities in desert wont grow unless you provide them with water and food
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18:37:48  <Ibigoo> good idea :)
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18:44:52  <MiHaMiX> XeryusTC: yes
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19:24:08  <TinoM|> !wiki
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19:31:57  <lws1984> Sacro!
19:32:59  <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
19:32:59  <Sacro> !logs
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19:39:11  * jez tries to figure out how palette remapping in OpenTTD works
19:39:27  <jez> How can I find out information on the various available colour remapping palettes?
19:39:41  <Sacro> jez: check the ttdpatch tiki
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19:47:51  <peter1138> don't service them :)
19:47:57  <jez> like, this page? http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=RecolorSprites
19:47:58  <peter1138> wah, scrolled back :(
19:48:07  <peter1138> hello jez
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19:49:55  <jez> jhi
19:50:06  <jez> from that description, i still dont quite understand how they work
19:50:24  <jez> you have a recolour table of 256 bytes
19:50:38  <jez> each represents a colour in the palette
19:50:42  <peter1138> yup
19:50:57  <jez> so, the number of each byte represents the colour how...
19:51:22  <jez> am i correct in thinking that there is a 'holy grail' palette; that is, a palette that OpenTTD defines that gives you all the 'available colours'
19:51:59  <jez> then these recolour palettes point to a number between 0 and 255, to pick a colour in the 'holy grail' palette?
19:52:15  <jez> in other words the palettes dont specify actual colours, they specify 'holy grail' palette entries?
19:52:31  <peter1138> yes
19:52:39  <jez> hum
19:52:40  <peter1138> the real palettes are separate
19:52:47  <jez> sorry, real palettes?
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19:56:12  <jez> what do you mean by that term
19:56:13  <jez> ?
19:59:58  <peter1138> palettes
20:00:05  <peter1138> you know
20:00:09  <peter1138> rgb values...
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20:01:31  <jez> yes but 'real' palettes?
20:01:32  <jez> what are they
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20:09:31  <peter1138> ...
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20:15:32  <jez> peter1138: come on dont clam up
20:15:34  <jez> lol
20:16:15  <peter1138> got dinner :P
20:19:19  <Nigel> excuses excuses
20:20:02  <Nigel> jez, just an assumption, does the real palette hold the actual colour references?
20:20:13  <Nigel> like 0 = 0x000000
20:20:32  <Nigel> i have no idea, and i don't really care, cos i got to go into town now
20:20:50  <Nigel> (let me know if my stab in the dark was correct)
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20:21:27  <jez> heh
20:21:31  <jez> you're asking _me_?
20:21:52  <jez> peter1138: please tell me when you can, i'm interested in learning
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20:22:08  <Sacro> jez: peter1138 is interested in food
20:22:19  <XeryusTC> as am i :)
20:22:44  <Sacro> XeryusTC: me too
20:22:51  <XeryusTC> jez: i think that the real palette is the palette that the "holy grail" palette revers to
20:23:08  <jez> yeah but peter1138 pluralised it, which confused me greatly
20:23:09  <XeryusTC> im actually planning to grab myself some food for the past 15 minutes :)
20:23:27  <Sacro> me too
20:24:07  <XeryusTC> got myself an apple :)
20:24:21  <Sacro> mac?
20:24:29  <XeryusTC> the serie that im watching game me an excelent moment to pause
20:24:42  <XeryusTC> no, XeryusTC :P
20:25:14  <Sacro> ?
20:25:15  <jez> oh christ
20:25:24  <jez> my dumbass brother is wittering on about Arsenal winning
20:25:26  <jez> i couldnt give a shit
20:25:32  <jez> this is why i like living alone
20:25:40  <XeryusTC> <Sacro> mac? <- making a bad joke as a reply to your bad joke :P
20:25:52  <Sacro> ahh :)
20:27:02  <jez> lol
20:27:08  <jez> how was "got myself an apple" a joke?
20:27:24  <XeryusTC> it wasnt
20:27:39  <jez> didnt think so
20:27:40  <XeryusTC> Sacro's reply was meant to be a joke, or a perfect example of his nerdity :P
20:27:52  <Sacro> heh
20:28:09  <Sacro> im half considering ending my sentances with </Sacro>
20:28:19  <XeryusTC> :D
20:28:30  <XeryusTC> the HTMLness
20:28:56  <Sacro> yup
20:29:01  <Sacro> well, XML
20:30:15  <XeryusTC> same thing, only different :P
20:30:16  <Sacro> i need food
20:30:53  <XeryusTC> go get some
20:32:12  <jez> is it me, or is the human race getting more fucking assholish
20:34:49  <jez> cant even get your own brother to play a network game with you now
20:34:51  <jez> little shit
20:35:02  <XeryusTC> force him :P
20:35:16  <jez> people expect me to be enthusiastic when they arent
20:35:21  <jez> pisses me off
20:39:28  <Sacro>   i fancy an OpenTTD network game
20:40:06  <Sacro> MiniIN + UKRS + newstations + HOVS + pb_viaduct
20:40:25  <XeryusTC> what's hovs?
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20:40:41  <Sacro> XeryusTC: pikkabirds road vehicles
20:40:45  <jez> pb_viaduct?
20:40:47  <XeryusTC> ah
20:40:51  <XeryusTC> the brick bridge :)
20:40:58  <Sacro> yeah
20:41:07  <Sacro> ooh. fvwm is quite tasty
20:42:08  <XeryusTC> :o
20:43:08  <Sacro> XeryusTC: ?
20:43:38  <XeryusTC> what's wrong with :o?
20:43:59  <Sacro> im not sure yet
20:47:45  <peter1138> jez: toyland uses a different palette
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20:53:08  <CIA-2> peter1138 * r6474 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
20:53:08  <CIA-2> - Add a patch option to control display of liveries, allowing none, your
20:53:08  <CIA-2> own, or all companies.
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21:18:52  <jez> peter1138: back yet?
21:22:24  <peter1138> i was
21:22:28  <peter1138> but now i'm going to bed
21:22:45  <jez> well could you just briefly explain what you meant before?
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21:23:23  <jez> [20:52] <peter1138> the real palettes are separate
21:23:41  <Born_Acorn> peter1138 was about to go to bed to code newsounds!
21:24:03  <peter1138> real palettes being the rgb values
21:24:20  <peter1138> as opposed to the remap tables
21:24:31  <jez> ok.. they are separate
21:24:52  <jez> and they are located in the 'holy grail' palette (each entry is actually a 'real colour' value)?
21:25:44  <peter1138> um
21:25:57  <peter1138> i'm confused as to how you can find the whole thing so confusing ;p
21:26:02  <jez> heh
21:26:13  <jez> because you have 2 different types of palette that osentively seem similar
21:26:18  <jez> both have 256 entries
21:26:34  <jez> but one (im guessing) is unique, and carries the 'real' colour values (RGB) of the actual game colours
21:26:52  <jez> all the others carry indexes of the colours in that main palette
21:26:52  <jez> ?
21:28:02  <jez> or am i still confused? :-)
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21:30:19  <peter1138> yes
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21:30:35  <peter1138> sprite -> remap -> buffer -> screen
21:30:36  <jez> well what part of that explanation is wrong?
21:30:54  <peter1138> sprite contains byte values
21:31:00  <peter1138> remap maps from one byte to another
21:31:12  <peter1138> buffer stores the screen state
21:31:38  <peter1138> screen is an 8 bpp output with a palette (usually emulated by the video driver, though)
21:32:03  <jez> yeah
21:32:09  <jez> that palette was what i meant by 'holy grail'
21:32:16  <jez> it contains ACTUAL colour values
21:32:20  <peter1138> so what's hard to understand... heh
21:32:35  <jez> it's hard to understand why you have to have 256 colours in a remap palette.
21:32:46  <jez> mostly you'll only be remapping a few colours (8 for the CCs)
21:32:49  <peter1138> because it's an index
21:32:53  <peter1138> it's an array
21:32:55  <jez> im guessing mostly they say
21:32:58  <jez> 01 02 03 04 05
21:32:59  <jez> etc
21:33:01  <peter1138> yes
21:33:04  <jez> and only for a select few do they deviate
21:33:12  <jez> which seems like a waste of memory :-)  but i guess it's faster
21:33:21  <peter1138> it's a lot simpler and quicker to implement
21:33:25  <peter1138> and it's only 256 bytes each
21:33:31  <Sacro> bah, i really want an OpenTTD game
21:33:36  <peter1138> have one?
21:33:46  <jez> ok so my next questions are (sorry!) how do i tell what the various values of the available remap palettes are, and can i create any myself?
21:34:03  <Sacro> peter1138: multiplayer i mean
21:35:00  <peter1138> you'll need to decode the grf files to get the actual values used for remapping
21:35:13  <peter1138> and you can create your own, yes
21:35:32  <jez> well i used grfcodec to decode em
21:35:38  <jez> i guess i need something else to get at the palettesz\/
21:35:41  <jez> *palettes
21:35:49  <peter1138> ok, well ignore the pcx
21:35:52  <peter1138> and look in the nfo
21:36:09  <peter1138> there'll be some entries which don't reference the pcx
21:36:22  <peter1138> they are literally the lis of remap values
21:36:25  <peter1138> +t
21:36:55  <jez> and how do i create my own?
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21:37:16  <jez> it's tough to read those raw values, i could do with a graphical representation of the remapping
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21:38:26  <Sacro> peter1138: any thoughts on running a MiniIN server?
21:39:41  <peter1138> yes, i'm not going to
21:39:47  <peter1138> i tried one, but it segfaultedf
21:39:59  <peter1138> i'll run a regular nightly, though
21:40:10  <jez> how do i get a graphical representation of the remap sprites, and how do i make my own remaps?
21:40:20  <Sacro> mmm, thats better than a kick in the face :)
21:40:28  <Sacro> i miss playing nightlies
21:40:38  <peter1138> you'd have to write a program to generate a graphical representation
21:40:57  <peter1138> and to make your own, basically copy one into a new nfo file
21:40:57  <jez> there isnt one already?
21:41:06  <peter1138> no, nobody's ever needed one, i guess
21:41:22  <jez> well if you're drawing a sprite to be remapped
21:41:36  <jez> it'd be useful to see if existing remaps would work for it?
21:42:35  <peter1138> most people probably test in game
21:42:40  <Sacro> :( my own server is running at 1.02 for uptime
21:42:48  <Sacro> i need to figure out why that is really
21:42:54  <peter1138> i'm attempting to install autopilot
21:42:57  <jez> ok... but it'd still be helpful if there were a list of the major remapping sprites already used in the game
21:43:00  <jez> is there one?
21:43:09  <jez> like a list of their indexes and what they 'do'
21:43:39  <peter1138> yes, in an enum somewhere
21:44:02  <peter1138> there's also the 2cc remaps that aren't listed individually, as there are 256 of them
21:44:22  <jez> why 256?
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21:45:04  <peter1138> because there are 16 colours
21:45:06  <peter1138> 16 * 16 = 256
21:45:23  <jez> im confused again
21:45:28  <jez> if you have 16 remaps aren't there.... 16?
21:45:34  <jez> why 16^2?
21:45:38  <peter1138> .. 2cc
21:46:05  <Sacro> 16 across, 16 down, therefore 16^2 combinations
21:46:28  <jez> do you mean combinations of company colours, and secondary company colours?
21:46:33  <peter1138> yeah
21:46:36  <jez> ah
21:46:41  <Sacro> it clicks into place...
21:46:46  <peter1138> bah, i've gotta go
21:46:52  <jez> oh
21:46:54  <jez> one more thing
21:46:59  <jez> is there a list of the 'holy grail' palette
21:47:04  <jez> well a graphical representation
21:47:07  <jez> with each entry numbered?
21:47:10  <peter1138> Sacro: i'll probably set a server up tomorrow, if you have any requests, pm me, heh
21:47:17  <peter1138> yes, you've seen it
21:47:23  <jez> erm
21:47:27  <jez> care to refresh my memory? :-)
21:48:07  <Sacro> peter1138: nightly? errm, just grfs, UKRS v3, hovs_bus, viaduct, newstations, planeset
21:48:37  <peter1138> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=PalettesAndCoordinates
21:48:44  <peter1138> ok, it's not numbered, but it's in order
21:49:19  <jez> 0 - 255, left to right, top to bottom...
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21:49:43  <peter1138> bye
21:49:51  <Sacro> night peter1138
21:50:30  <jez> hmm
21:50:35  <jez> looks like more than 256 entries to me
21:50:43  <jez> oh
21:50:46  <jez> those white ones dont count
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21:55:35  <Sacro> lol
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22:08:37  <jez> im still a little confused about the mapping :-)
22:08:48  <jez> getting less confused, but still confused
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23:14:24  <mikk36> hmm.. iSCSI is pretty nice :)
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