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It was you wasn't it!?] 00:54:13 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 00:59:43 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N713P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [] 01:04:36 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 02:08:28 <CIA-2> belugas * r6619 /trunk/ (21 files): 02:08:28 <CIA-2> -Codechange: Use accessors for disabled_state. 02:08:28 <CIA-2> Another step toward merging XTDwidget. 02:08:28 <CIA-2> The only two files not converted (window.h and widget.c) will be done at the very last commit) 02:19:16 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 02:26:48 * Nigel_ considers switching back to miniin 02:28:29 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2FD73.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:35:17 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2D0A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:39:08 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3F896.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:43:36 <CIA-2> belugas * r6620 /branches/XTDwidget/ (33 files in 3 dirs): [XTDwidget] -Synch with trunk r6598:r6619 02:45:30 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3FDBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:00:43 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B355FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:02:48 <Nigel_> hmm instead of timetabling (discussed last night), i'd like a min gap between trains 03:07:38 <Belugas_Gone> signalisation is the perfect tool to do so, Nigel_ 03:07:42 <Belugas_Gone> or so i think... 03:10:20 <CIA-2> belugas * r6621 /branches/XTDwidget/ (openttd_vs80.vcproj train_gui.c): [XTDwidget] -Codechange: Clean-up against trunk 03:14:02 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:46:07 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 03:47:58 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B355FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 04:16:04 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.200.55] has joined #openttd 04:20:23 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 04:22:33 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.200.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:25:23 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 04:31:01 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:31:12 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Good Night, you!] 04:42:18 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 05:01:22 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77B2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:07:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77A38.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:27:22 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:43:03 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-173-51.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 05:45:09 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 05:51:29 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:51:30 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:51:40 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:03:43 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-96.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 06:28:16 *** Zavior_ [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:28:17 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28:17 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28:27 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:28:29 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 06:44:47 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-173-51.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 07:02:04 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79ab3.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:02:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 07:06:21 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 07:06:49 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 07:07:22 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.200.55] has joined #openttd 07:12:35 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.200.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:13:38 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 07:13:58 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:22:58 <Bjarni> heh, I posted my diff just before I went to bed and it was perfectly fine at that time. Now it's out of date and conflicts with the trunk 07:24:07 <Noldo> how many vommit err commits since then? 07:24:36 <Bjarni> 2 07:25:01 <Bjarni> one is just fine and the other one conflicted big time 07:25:24 <Bjarni> not just one line or 5 or 10, but really conflicted 07:30:49 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 07:31:01 <Eddi|zuHause> err, i see 3 commits, but only one to trunk 07:31:11 <Eddi|zuHause> where do you get 2 from? 07:31:40 <Bjarni> oh yeah, the last one was not in the trunk 07:31:44 <Bjarni> then it's only one 07:32:05 <Bjarni> 6618 was committed before I went to bed 07:32:26 <Bjarni> wait a minute... 6620 didn't send an email 07:32:34 <Bjarni> !openttd commit 6620 07:32:42 <_42_> Commit by belugas :: r6620 /branches/XTDwidget/ (33 files in 3 dirs) (2006-10-03 02:43:23 UTC) 07:32:44 <_42_> [XTDwidget] -Synch with trunk r6598:r6619 07:33:04 <Bjarni> that was not in the trunk and it was likely too big to send a mail 07:33:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i just looked through the chat buffer... 07:34:08 <Bjarni> well, I don't have the chat buffer 07:34:54 <Eddi|zuHause> well, there was not actually any chat :) 07:35:05 <Bjarni> heh 07:35:20 <Bjarni> I meant that I turned off the computer 07:35:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 07:37:02 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it is way too early, i should go back to bed... 07:41:12 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 07:44:10 <Bjarni> now the patch compiles again 07:44:20 <Bjarni> my whole GUI change conflicted 07:58:01 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:02:25 <peter1138> mr bjarni 08:08:25 *** [Surge] [~Surge@dsl-165-164-13.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 08:09:37 <[Surge]> Where's the best place to ask non-technical questions about multiplayer? 08:11:41 <Zavior_> Maybe here :o 08:12:08 <[Surge]> Oh I thought this was a developers channel. 08:12:56 <Zavior_> Lots of developers here :) 08:13:08 <[Surge]> How fast is the sim time? 08:13:25 <peter1138> 1 day takes 2 seconds 08:13:30 <[Surge]> I tried to play a game on the weekend and it seems to take more than 24 hours 08:13:38 <peter1138> um 08:13:40 <[Surge]> Sitting behind a PC that long is a pain. :) 08:13:43 <peter1138> there is no fixed timespan 08:14:01 <[Surge]> Yeah, it was 1930 - 2070 08:14:03 <peter1138> it'll carry on going forever (or until it crashes) 08:14:45 <TheMask96> yes... 2070 never ends :) 08:14:59 <peter1138> a year takes just over 12 minutes 08:15:24 <peter1138> so 140 years... over 28 hours 08:15:33 <[Surge]> Yeah :) 08:15:38 <peter1138> TheMask96: 2090, and that's changed now 08:15:51 <TheMask96> peter1138: ah ok :) 08:16:01 <TheMask96> peter1138: how is it changed? does it stop? 08:17:17 <[Surge]> What would be neat is if the server could auto upgrade the vehicles while you're not connected so that if others carry on playing 50 years you don't come back to find you're losing money. 08:18:18 <peter1138> TheMask96: no, it carrys on past it 08:18:37 <peter1138> you shouldn't lose money if you keep old vehicles 08:19:33 <[Surge]> Well they break down a lot so definately not making as much as one could. 08:20:04 <[Surge]> Also are there plans to be able to copy and paste track configs? 08:21:21 <[Surge]> Highlight a piece of track and then paste it somewhere else possibly with a drag copy like the signal placement. This would be REALLY useful for load balancing track configs. 08:22:25 <[Surge]> Instead of having to build 500 tunnels and 1000 signals to build a high capacity line which is really just a repeating pattern. 08:23:18 <[Surge]> Maybe a plugin interface? :) 08:28:43 <peter1138> the miniin has that feature, i believe 08:31:50 <Bjarni> mr peter1138 08:32:05 <Bjarni> I got something to ask you that I have been wondering 08:32:31 <Bjarni> in the order list, it writes the name of the cargo if refitting 08:33:16 <Bjarni> but the subtype thing is not written and then I looked at the refit window and it says stuff about callback failure and stuff 08:33:25 <Bjarni> is it too complex to add? 08:33:54 <Bjarni> I mean the vehicle detail window fails to tell about subtype as well 08:38:49 <Bjarni> peter1138: are you still here? 08:39:03 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 08:41:47 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 08:43:20 <peter1138> es 08:43:31 <Born_Acorn> He killed a y! 08:44:52 <peter1138> es id 08:45:07 <peter1138> he irst etter f ach ord s issing 08:45:15 <peter1138> trange eyboard 08:45:28 <Bjarni> _O 08:45:37 <peter1138> Bjarni: that's going to be added shortly 08:45:58 <Bjarni> y ye s issing!!! 08:47:27 <Bjarni> peter1138: also another thing... I just called the refit window when setting refit for orders. Refit capacity will only show up when the vehicle is in a depot (I know why). The same goes for price. It can set the settings even though it's missing though 08:47:41 <Bjarni> eventually we should alter the design to get rid of that issue 08:48:16 <Bjarni> like I did to get refit costs without being in a depot 08:48:54 <peter1138> huh? 08:49:15 <Bjarni> the refit window displays refit capacity and price 08:49:17 <peter1138> yes 08:49:30 <peter1138> but the capacity doesn't work if it's not in a depot? 08:49:40 <Bjarni> it gets those values by calling refit without DC_EXEC 08:49:50 <Bjarni> and those commands return CMD_ERROR if not in a depot 08:50:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-206.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 08:50:45 <Bjarni> so we should make functions only to get those info, so we can call them all the time and the commands can use them as well to make sure they always agree 08:50:57 <peter1138> hmm 08:51:09 <Sacro> mmm, think my student loan has come through 08:51:19 <Bjarni> o_O 08:51:22 <peter1138> SPEND IT! 08:51:28 <Bjarni> Sacro managed to get another loan??? 08:51:46 <Bjarni> Sacro: you do realise that you will have to pay it back eventually, right? 08:52:01 <Sacro> peter1138: http://www.cube247.co.uk/shopWebSite/php/showProducts.php?plu=12 08:52:08 <Bjarni> in addition to those £6500 you already owe the bank 08:52:36 <Sacro> Bjarni: err... yeah 08:52:44 <Bjarni> anyway peter1138: you see the issue? 08:52:58 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 08:53:26 <Bjarni> clicking the button adds the refit data to the order data, so it's a display bug only 08:53:50 <Bjarni> hmm 08:54:10 <Bjarni> I just realised that autoreplace may have to do something about cargo subtype as well when refitting 08:54:23 <Born_Acorn> Wow Sacro, only £1199? I don't know why I didn't pick up two. :p 08:55:11 <Sacro> Rhowch Enw Defnyddiwr (neu ART Id) :\ 08:55:34 <peter1138> Bjarni: problem with subtypes is depending on date, they may not be valid anymore 08:55:43 <peter1138> or the subtype might be for something different 08:55:55 <Bjarni> hmm 08:56:18 <Bjarni> well, it tries to refit to the same CargoID, which should be fine :) 08:56:18 <peter1138> (and it can affect capacity) 08:56:22 <peter1138> yeah, that's fine 08:56:28 <peter1138> i can think of a way of trying it 08:57:42 <Born_Acorn> wow Sacro, you've given something for me to save up to now with that computer. 08:59:55 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: they have some really good specced and priced pcs on there 09:00:07 * Born_Acorn bookmarks 09:00:10 <Sacro> ive called em, they dont mind telling you what hardware they use, and it is all quality stuff 09:00:42 <peter1138> Bjarni: we could test the subtype string to see if it's the same (by id, not actual letters, heh) 09:00:44 <Sacro> hehehe s/North\ Humberside/East\ Yorkshire/ 09:00:56 <Sacro> over 10 years later and people still use the old county name 09:01:04 <peter1138> Bjarni: if it's the same, use the subtype, if not, use 0 09:01:25 <peter1138> (that only makes sense if you know how the system works, though, heh) 09:01:57 <peter1138> Sacro: i'd rather build my own 09:02:15 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/order_refit.diff <-- ok, now I'm thinking about committing this one unless more issues are found. The refit window needs to be somewhat redesigned for this and there is the subtype string, that's not printed, but those can be added later. This should work and I don't want huge commits if I can avoid it ;) 09:02:17 <peter1138> 640GB Seagate Data Storage - RAID Stripe - Ultimate Performance! 09:02:18 <peter1138> o_O 09:02:22 <peter1138> ultimate unreliability 09:02:45 <Sacro> lol, i might use mirroring 09:02:47 <Born_Acorn> I'd prefer the other major HDD company. 09:03:02 <Born_Acorn> The one with the word which I've forgotten for a name. 09:03:03 <Sacro> Maxtor? WD? 09:03:10 <Born_Acorn> Maxtor. That's the one. 09:03:11 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 09:03:12 <Sacro> Hitachi, IBM 09:03:34 <Born_Acorn> Since I've only ever used Maxtor, and they ain't ever broked! 09:03:59 * Sacro clicks "View payments" 09:04:07 <Born_Acorn> Cept once, but that was during relocating the HDD. 09:04:14 <peter1138> Bjarni: why not use CT_INVALID? 09:04:25 <Born_Acorn> I swear! it fell down the stairs by accident! 09:04:29 <Bjarni> Sacro: it was a joke that you should spend it right away 09:04:35 * Sacro faints 09:04:53 <Sacro> 2006/07 Interim 04/10/2006 Supplementary Grant Student £900.00 Direct Credit Submitted 09:04:59 <peter1138> hmm 09:05:05 <peter1138> where did CT_NO_REFIT come from?... 09:05:06 <Sacro> 2006/07 Interim 04/10/2006 Student Support Loan Student £730.95 Direct Credit Submitted 09:05:10 <Sacro> thats errrr 09:05:16 <Sacro> !calc 900+730.95 09:05:16 <_42_> Sacro: 1630.95; 09:05:20 <Sacro> :O 09:05:31 <Bjarni> I only lost one HD. Power died at one time when I defragmented it. A reformat fixed it though 09:05:47 <Bjarni> now the hardware is broken, but it is a heavily used 3 GB HD 09:05:47 <Sacro> and thats TOMMOROW :D 09:05:58 <peter1138> Bjarni: i don't see the reason for the openttd.h change 09:06:28 <[Surge]> OpenTTD is one excellent piece of software! :) 09:06:29 <Bjarni> <peter1138> where did CT_NO_REFIT come from? <-- autoreplace. When figuring out what to replace to, it uses both flags 09:06:57 <peter1138> yeah, i saw that after, heh 09:07:07 <Bjarni> peter1138: I presume that 0xFF can be compressed better than 0xFE. I'm not sure if I'm right though 09:07:35 <Bjarni> I just heard that 0xFF and 0x00 are easier to compress than everything in between 09:09:12 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2EC5E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:09:29 <Bjarni> Sacro: you should be able to calculate 9+7 without using a computer :p 09:10:11 <Sacro> Bjarni: yes, but theres a bit more than that :p 09:10:18 <Bjarni> no 09:10:25 <Bjarni> not if you understand math 09:10:25 <Sacro> damn, only 82 in my account... 09:10:35 <Sacro> i understand its missing an s :( 09:11:57 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC69E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:12:06 <Bjarni> peter1138: would you say that I should revert openttd.h? I think it's best to use 0xFF here and NO_REFIT sounds better for the key to not refitting than INVALID (now that we got both options) 09:12:30 <peter1138> Sacro: that's my salary in a month... 09:12:41 <Bjarni> 82? 09:12:43 <peter1138> Sacro: if only i didn't have a mortgage to pay 09:12:51 <peter1138> no, about 1600 09:13:06 <Bjarni> I was about to ask if you were fired :) 09:13:15 <Sacro> i get it again on 15/01 and 16/04 09:13:44 <peter1138> Bjarni: using 0xFE or 0xFF makes no difference there 09:13:55 <peter1138> the key is it's a magic value that we use an enum for 09:14:21 <peter1138> plus changing openttd.h means i'll need another full recompile ;p 09:14:30 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2FD73.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:14:35 <peter1138> 0xFF won't compress better than 0xFE... 09:14:43 <Bjarni> you will anyway. I added strings to english.txt 09:15:30 <Bjarni> ok, openttd.h goes back 09:16:28 <peter1138> big reason not to change it: CT_INVALID is in the savegame 09:17:46 <Bjarni> it's saved anywhere? 09:17:53 <Bjarni> I searched, but didn't find it 09:19:06 <Bjarni> anyway openttd.h is reverted 09:21:51 <Bjarni> peter1138: anything else? 09:21:58 <peter1138> dunno, busy with work now 09:22:04 <Bjarni> ok 09:24:31 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:26:03 <CIA-2> peter1138 * r6622 /trunk/ (newgrf_text.c strings.c): - Add support for NewGRF text includes. (Based on mart3p's patch) 09:26:24 <Bjarni> hmm 09:26:36 <Bjarni> I can see that you are really busy with work :P 09:27:22 <peter1138> well, apart from that ;p 09:27:42 * Sacro needs to get ready for college 09:28:12 <peter1138> Bjarni: you can reuse an old cmd number that isn't used anymore 09:29:01 *** hylej [hylje@194.187.214.214] has joined #openttd 09:29:10 <Bjarni> hmm 09:29:34 <Bjarni> I have been wondering about sorting the command numbers. Right now they are in random order (more or less) 09:29:53 <peter1138> Bjarni: is v->current_order not a pointer? 09:30:02 <Bjarni> no 09:30:07 <peter1138> to an order that would a... oh 09:30:08 <peter1138> hmm 09:30:33 <Bjarni> current order is an order var in the vehicle struct 09:30:39 <Bjarni> not a pointer to an order 09:30:57 <peter1138> bjarni 09:31:00 <Bjarni> I had to check that because at first I used it as a pointer because I presumed the same as you 09:31:02 <peter1138> wtf is VehicleOrderID 09:31:12 <peter1138> and it's being set to CT_NO_REFIT 09:31:20 <peter1138> so is it a CargoID? 09:31:25 <Bjarni> it's a byte 09:31:45 <Bjarni> oh, it should not have been CT_anything :/ 09:31:53 <peter1138> you're mixing stuff 09:32:14 <peter1138> wtf 09:32:16 <Bjarni> it's the number of the order to change refit options for 09:32:40 <peter1138> ShowVehicleRefitWindow(v, CT_NO_REFIT); 09:32:50 <peter1138> void ShowVehicleRefitWindow(const Vehicle *v, VehicleOrderID order) 09:32:57 <peter1138> if (WP(w, refit_d).order == CT_NO_REFIT) { 09:32:57 <Bjarni> same thing 09:33:01 *** Progman [~progman@p5091DE02.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:08 <peter1138> can't that just be a bool? 09:33:13 <Bjarni> CT_NO_REFIT needs to be another flag 09:33:22 <Bjarni> no, because if you look in the else part, it's used as a byte 09:33:32 <peter1138> hmm, no 09:33:33 <peter1138> but 09:33:40 <peter1138> it's nothing to do with CT_NO_REFIT 09:33:44 <peter1138> also 09:33:57 <peter1138> this isn't in your patch, but... 09:34:05 <peter1138> openttd.h:typedef byte VehicleOrderID; ///< The index of an order within its current vehicle (not pool related) 09:34:11 <peter1138> order_cmd.c: VehicleOrderID sel_ord = GB(p1, 16, 16); 09:34:22 <peter1138> order_cmd.c: VehicleOrderID sel_ord = GB(p1, 16, 16); // XXX - automatically truncated to 8 bits. 09:34:25 <peter1138> what is this shit? :P 09:34:34 <Bjarni> I wondered about that as well 09:35:00 <Bjarni> WP(w, refit_d).order << 16 <-- here it's used as a byte, not a bool 09:35:04 <hylej> wtf 09:35:29 <peter1138> Bjarni: yeah, i see 09:35:44 <peter1138> CT_NO_REFIT is bogus though :) 09:35:59 <Bjarni> peter1138: that... odd thing about byte vs int16... I will plan to solve that in a later commit. It's not directly related to refitting 09:36:34 <peter1138> yeah 09:36:43 <peter1138> what's the difference between OrderID and VehicleOrderID, btw? 09:36:58 <hylej> the other is less ambiguous 09:37:55 <Bjarni> OrderID is a 16 bit index like VehicleID (used in the same way) while VehicleOrderID is a byte telling the number of the order in the orderlist being highlighted/activated/current one/whatever 09:38:31 <Bjarni> I just need to invent a new invalid flag for it if I can't find any 09:42:00 <peter1138> ok 09:42:28 <peter1138> sorry to be so picky, btw ;) 09:42:54 <Bjarni> INVALID_ORDER_ID = 0xFF, <-- that should do it (in order.h) 09:45:48 <peter1138> but 09:45:50 <peter1138> it's not an order id 09:45:54 <peter1138> it's a vehicleorderid 09:50:46 <Bjarni> hmm 09:51:53 <Bjarni> now it's INVALID_VEH_ORDER_ID 09:54:15 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 09:56:43 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387F370.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:57:14 * PandaMojo winces preemptively 09:57:17 <PandaMojo> !seen Celestar 09:57:18 <_42_> PandaMojo, Celestar (~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de) was last seen quitting #openttd 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours 49 minutes ago (05.09. 11:08) stating "Quit: leaving" after spending 37 minutes there. 10:01:21 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:36 *** _42_ [truelight@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:11 <Bjarni> PandaMojo: active is not the right word to use about Celestar 10:03:18 <Bjarni> or maybe it is, but with other stuff 10:03:25 <PandaMojo> I know. 10:04:04 <Sacro> has anyone seen the masterserver? 10:04:08 <Bjarni> what is it that you want to talk to him about? 10:04:14 <Bjarni> Sacro: see the topic :p 10:04:19 <PandaMojo> That bug fix I submited like a month ago 10:04:27 <PandaMojo> That has the task assigned to him ~_~ 10:04:34 <Sacro> Bjarni: is oktober == october? 10:04:34 <Bjarni> ahh 10:04:44 <Bjarni> what else :P 10:05:04 <Bjarni> it's written by a Dutch guy. I only forwarded it 10:05:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:06:12 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:47 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:06:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:06:51 <PandaMojo> There's nothing even to talk about really until he's back to active I guess. 10:06:51 <Bjarni> it looks like they are delayed 10:07:01 <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah, forum is down now 10:07:05 <Bjarni> they didn't start the server move before now 10:07:15 <PandaMojo> About a month ago he commented that about a month from then he'd be back into the swing of things (e.g. vacation from work) 10:07:36 <Sacro> ah well, going to college, see thee all later 10:08:07 * Bjarni notes that the servers will be back in 2-3 hours from now 10:08:19 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-206.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:14:53 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:25:55 *** hylje [hylje@194.187.214.214] has quit [Quit: minua hyljeksitään :'(] 10:26:35 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:33:30 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 10:33:41 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:39:05 *** Progman [~progman@p5091DE02.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55:47 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:00:22 *** Trenskow^ [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 11:00:40 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:02:59 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 11:15:14 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: MaulingMonkey_iBook] 11:15:50 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:28:34 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:38:15 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-137-68-253.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:44:04 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:44:14 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:44:18 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:11 *** smeding_ is now known as smeding 12:01:25 *** [Surge] [~Surge@dsl-165-164-13.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:23:29 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B355FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:24:30 *** hylej is now known as hylje 12:25:07 *** Progman [~progman@p5091DE02.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:25:08 *** hylje [hylje@194.187.214.214] has quit [Quit: bbiab] 12:25:08 *** hylje [hylje@194.187.214.214] has joined #openttd 12:26:46 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 12:30:05 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 12:32:57 <Bjarni> it's so typical. The svn server goes down (scheduled, see topic) just before I'm about to commit and now I have to leave in a moment and it's still down 12:33:16 <Bjarni> with my luck, it will go online 2 minutes after I leave 12:33:30 <peter1138> hehehe 12:34:00 <Bjarni> actually it's your loss, not mine 12:34:10 <Bjarni> you are the guys, who will miss the code I got here 12:34:29 <hylje> r u srs? 12:34:46 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: -] 12:34:47 <Bjarni> Engrish? 12:35:00 <hylje> nah. lame english 12:35:08 <Bjarni> same thing 12:35:20 <Bjarni> both are considered Gibberish 12:35:34 <hylje> ha 12:39:52 <Brianetta> [12:33] <Bjarni> it's so typical. The svn server goes down (scheduled, see topic) ... 12:39:58 <Brianetta> see which topic? The server s down... 12:41:42 <Bjarni> Topic for #openttd is 0.4.8 | 08:30 UTC 3 oktober 2006, all openttd.org servers will be down for 2-3 hours, excluding wiki, translator, docs and nightly | Website: *.openttd.org (Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Bug-reports: bugs) 12:41:45 <Bjarni> that topic 12:42:08 <Bjarni> I presume everybody able to read what I just wrote should be able to read that topic :) 12:42:43 <Bjarni> it appears that they were running late and started at around 11 instead of 8:30 12:42:51 <Bjarni> bbl 12:42:54 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79ab3.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:05:44 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:20:43 *** Trenskow^ [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 13:25:26 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B355FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 13:32:08 <Serriaromeo> looks like everything is back up now 13:41:38 <Eddi|zuHause> wäääh... i hate FAT32 13:42:17 <Eddi|zuHause> "there is an error in directory c:\windows\system, some files may be lost and reappear as file####.chk" 13:42:55 <Eddi|zuHause> later: "there are more than 512 files in the root directory, no more files can be recovered" 13:47:09 <XeryusTC> lol 13:47:26 <XeryusTC> are you still using <w98? 13:49:33 <Eddi|zuHause> that used to be WinME 13:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause> until yesterday, when it failed to shut down properly 13:49:54 <Eddi|zuHause> now it's unable to boot 13:50:10 <Eddi|zuHause> and i'm not in the mood to reinstall 13:50:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and winxp refused to install on a HD < 1,1GB 13:50:45 <Eddi|zuHause> (i have 1GB in there) 14:04:23 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B355FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:13:15 * peter1138 pokes CIA-2 14:27:11 * peter1138 kicks CIA-2 14:27:11 <CIA-2> ow 14:27:54 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79ab3.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:27:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 14:28:42 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.200.55] has joined #openttd 14:29:12 <Bjarni> back 14:29:22 <Bjarni> and it appears that the svn system is back as well 14:29:28 *** Trenskow^ [~outlet@cpe.atm2-0-72445.0x535a0976.odnxx12.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:29:59 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:30:20 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.200.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:43 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 14:32:37 <Serriaromeo> [08:32] <Serriaromeo> looks like everything is back up now :-) 14:33:20 <Bjarni> and how many minutes was that after I left? :p 14:33:53 <Serriaromeo> oh, yeah, just noticed that you had left, was about 45 mins 14:36:43 <Brianetta> OpenTTD shoul dhave 3D vehicles on an isometric map, just like TA (-: 14:36:53 <valhallasw> TA? 14:37:17 <Brianetta> and then someone can implement an Atlas Transport to allow me to "redeploy" my competitors' road vehicles 14:37:33 * Brianetta pokes valhallasw with antimatter 14:37:37 <Brianetta> What just happened? 14:38:19 <valhallasw> ? 14:38:21 <peter1138> nothing? 14:38:43 <Brianetta> Annihilation. 14:38:50 <Brianetta> Total Annihilation. 14:38:53 <Brianetta> TA. 14:38:53 <valhallasw> ah 14:39:04 <peter1138> still means nothing to me ;p 14:39:12 <Brianetta> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/chatlog/ <-- lol 14:39:15 <peter1138> (and wooyay for ukrsv3 being released) 14:39:21 <Serriaromeo> i would perfer like red-alert, send spys into the construction factory, and steal their money :-) 14:39:23 <Brianetta> Looks like they weren't happy with the first new game (: 14:39:55 <peter1138> oh, i've got a minimum players patch now 14:39:59 <valhallasw> Brianetta: I say defcon. 14:40:11 <peter1138> beats the pants off the old pause on no clients 14:41:25 <Brianetta> peter1138: patch? 14:42:00 <peter1138> well, diff 14:42:05 <Brianetta> for openttd? 14:42:07 <peter1138> yeah 14:42:09 <peter1138> might even commit it 14:42:23 <Brianetta> If you can work an MOTD into there, that'd be good 14:42:32 <peter1138> you can already do an MOTD 14:42:36 <Brianetta> I could finally retire autopilot except as an IRC bridge 14:44:34 <Brianetta> So how can one already do an MOTD? 14:44:36 <peter1138> hmm 14:44:41 <peter1138> dunno actually 14:44:45 <peter1138> i thought it could :/ 14:44:49 <peter1138> wouldn't be hard though 14:44:54 <Brianetta> Would be decent 14:45:02 <Brianetta> a precis of the rules, a link, an dadmin email 14:45:23 <Brianetta> autopilot could lose that stupid recount code 14:45:31 <Brianetta> well, do it on demand 14:49:45 <peter1138> it's actually a one-liner 14:49:53 <Brianetta> so peter1138, did you write this patch because you couldn't get autopilot to run? 14:49:57 <peter1138> yes 14:50:08 <peter1138> well, i'd written pause on no clients a long time ago 14:50:17 <peter1138> but occasionally it, um, got out of sync 14:50:30 <Brianetta> People keep accusing me of needlessly replicating that as a committed feature 14:50:37 <peter1138> o_O 14:50:43 <Brianetta> "but that's in trunk, Brianetta!" 14:50:45 <peter1138> maybe it's int he miniin 14:50:46 <Brianetta> "No it isn't." 14:51:01 <Brianetta> "I'm sure it was committed a while back..." 14:51:11 <Brianetta> "I just re-read the changelog. No, it isn't." 14:51:35 <Brianetta> I've read that thing through about five times, just to make sure I hadn't become wrong in the meantime. 14:51:47 <Brianetta> Such a widespread misinformation. 14:53:16 * Bjarni kicks CIA-2 14:53:18 <CIA-2> ow 14:53:31 * Born_Acorn eats CIA-2 14:53:31 * CIA-2 tastes crunchy 14:53:49 <Bjarni> hmm 14:53:56 <Bjarni> new commit message: r6624 14:54:02 <Bjarni> -Feature: added ability to add refit commands to vehicle orders (can only be done in goto depot orders) 14:54:03 <Bjarni> Example: make a train transport iron ore from A to B, then it visits a depot and refits to steel 14:54:03 <Bjarni> It then transport steel back to A or near A if there is a factory and then it visits another depot to refit to iron ore again 14:54:03 <Bjarni> This is controlled in the orders. If a goto depot order is lightlighted, then "Unload" changes to "Refit" 14:54:03 <Bjarni> Control click "Refit" removes the refit part of the order (as the tooltip says) 14:54:05 <Bjarni> The player will still pay the normal refit costs 14:54:07 <Bjarni> Known issues: 14:54:09 <Bjarni> If a vehicle is not in a depot, then the refit window will fail to tell refitted cargo capacity 14:54:11 <Bjarni> Refit costs in the refit window can sometimes print 0 when it should not because the refit calculation is unaware that the vehicle will be refitted in between 14:54:16 <Bjarni> Warning: autoreplace got a protection against replacing something so you get a new cargo type, but it can fail here. In the iron ore/steel example, it can see that 14:54:19 <Bjarni> the vehicle carries iron ore and the new one can be refitted to iron ore, then it will replace. It will not check to see that it's valid for steel as well. 14:54:22 <Bjarni> This is something to look into in the future 14:56:18 <Brianetta> Which wagon can carry ore or steel? 14:56:35 <Bjarni> the one I used when testing this 14:56:43 <Brianetta> oh 14:56:55 <Brianetta> so normally it'd be ore and coal, or steel and wood? 14:57:00 <Bjarni> DB XL set: Low side wagon 14:57:03 <Bjarni> it's rather small 14:57:15 <Bjarni> 15 T of iron ore 14:58:00 <Brianetta> So can we have passengers one way, livestock back? 14:58:06 <Brianetta> A quick hoovering at the depot 14:58:11 <Bjarni> options: coal, goods, grain, wood, iron ore, steel 14:58:15 <Brianetta> What if there are cargo in the wagons? 14:58:27 <Bjarni> then the cargo is lost 14:58:32 <Bjarni> it's a normal refit call 14:58:42 <Brianetta> newcargo possibility (is it all hard-coded)? 14:58:44 <Bjarni> it's just done automatically instead of manually 14:59:02 <Bjarni> it supports cargo subtypes if that is what you mean 14:59:12 <Brianetta> Don't know the technicalities 14:59:20 <Brianetta> Just thinking ahead to newindustry 14:59:34 <Bjarni> and it should support up to 254 different cargo types in addition to what the subtypes can give 14:59:40 <Brianetta> If there's a hard-coded list of allowable refits, that doesn't bode well for oil / petroleum goods 14:59:46 *** Trenskow^ [~outlet@cpe.atm2-0-72445.0x535a0976.odnxx12.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00:18 <Bjarni> it calls the same command as manual refit, so it got the same limitations 15:00:38 <Bjarni> and if something is added to manual refit, then it will automatically be added to this as well 15:00:45 <peter1138> the refit command deals in numbers 15:01:01 <peter1138> it doesn't know anything about cargo types, 'old' or new... 15:01:03 <Bjarni> yeah and this deals in numbers 15:01:09 *** Trenskow [~outlet@80.251.195.1] has joined #openttd 15:01:23 <peter1138> Brianetta: scripts/on_server_connect.scr :D 15:01:34 <Brianetta> peter1138: That thing is a PITA 15:01:41 <peter1138> what is? 15:01:44 <Bjarni> it gets the numbers from the refit window (like manual refits), stores it in the order and then at the right time, it calls the refit command with the "cached" numbers 15:01:50 <Bjarni> bbl 15:03:00 <Bjarni> since it just forwards the same numbers, it should always produce the same result. It's just a "delay", not a new code to make new refits 15:03:04 <Brianetta> all the scripts/ things 15:03:08 <Bjarni> bbl 4 real 15:03:10 <peter1138> hm 15:03:17 <Brianetta> They're buggy as hell 15:03:28 <Brianetta> They were my first attempt at a solution 15:03:35 <peter1138> this isn't 15:03:56 <peter1138> this is the MOTD one i just added 15:04:02 <Brianetta> Cool. 15:04:14 <Brianetta> Does it have variable substitution? 15:04:16 <peter1138> the one you're talking about is, yes 15:04:19 <Brianetta> autopilot does (: 15:04:24 <peter1138> pass, i need to investigate that too 15:06:37 <Brianetta> If those scripts had persistent variables and a bit more logic control, they'd be awesome 15:06:49 <Brianetta> There'd be no need for autopilot 15:06:58 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.200.55] has joined #openttd 15:07:02 <Brianetta> Just a chat bridge utility 15:07:07 <Brianetta> DaleStan: hi 15:07:12 <peter1138> persistent vars are unlikely 15:07:27 <peter1138> basically they can only do what you can type in at the console 15:07:56 <Brianetta> Which is bad. No if, no while, just colours - and they only really work for echo commands in the pop-down console 15:08:53 * DaleStan_ wonders what is going with his connection. 15:08:55 <peter1138> yes, it's primitive 15:08:56 <Brianetta> console is so limited that a wrapper script is necessary for any control. 15:08:59 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-48-152.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:09:37 <peter1138> fancy hooking some script up internally? heh 15:10:23 <Brianetta> As long as it doesn't desync network games 15:10:23 <peter1138> not tcl though uhrg 15:10:31 <Brianetta> tcl's all right 15:10:39 <Brianetta> if you like Polish Notation 15:11:06 <Brianetta> Functional languages lend themselves to event based programming really nicely 15:11:35 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.200.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:35 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 15:12:54 *** Trenskow [~outlet@80.251.195.1] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 15:13:35 <Brianetta> One thing I want autopilot to have is a TK based control panel 15:13:45 <Brianetta> optional, of course, because you can't daemonise it 15:13:55 <peter1138> hmm 15:13:57 <Brianetta> but useful for people who dedicate a real console to it 15:14:12 <Brianetta> List of players, with company colour 15:14:26 <Brianetta> highlight, click to kick, to ban 15:14:37 <Brianetta> see the chat, and participate 15:14:42 <Brianetta> type in commands directly 15:14:45 <Brianetta> all the rest 15:15:44 <Brianetta> It'd separate chat from command output, and perhaps provide separate inputs 15:15:53 <Brianetta> or, maybe default to chat and use commands with a / 15:15:57 <Brianetta> like IRC (: 15:16:34 <XeryusTC> <Brianetta> One thing I want autopilot to have is a TK based control panel <- TK as in GTK? 15:17:37 <peter1138> no, tk as in tcl/tk 15:18:05 <XeryusTC> hmm, ok 15:40:17 *** Progman [~progman@p5091DE02.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 15:50:38 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-215-069.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:51:47 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-96.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 15:55:20 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-96.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 16:08:47 *** Bjarni changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.4.8 | Website: *.openttd.org (Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Bug-reports: bugs) 16:08:59 <Bjarni> no need to tell about downtime in the past 16:09:08 <Bjarni> tell/warn ;) 16:09:25 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 16:09:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:11:01 *** _42_ [truelight@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 16:18:27 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6624 /trunk/ (20 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 16:18:27 <CIA-2> -Feature: added ability to add refit commands to vehicle orders (can only be done in goto depot orders) 16:18:27 <CIA-2> Example: make a train transport iron ore from A to B, then it visits a depot and refits to steel 16:18:27 <CIA-2> It then transport steel back to A or near A if there is a factory and then it visits another depot to refit to iron ore again 16:18:28 <CIA-2> This is controlled in the orders. If a goto depot order is lightlighted, then "Unload" changes to "Refit" 16:18:28 <CIA-2> Control click "Refit" removes the refit part of the order (as the tooltip says) 16:18:30 <CIA-2> The player will still pay the normal refit costs 16:18:52 <Born_Acorn> yay 16:19:49 <CIA-2> peter1138 * r6625 /trunk/network_server.c: - Feature: Add the ability for servers to execute a script just after a client has connected, e.g. for a MOTD, etc. 16:19:56 <Born_Acorn> yay 16:20:25 <hylje> oh wow 16:21:16 <peter1138> hmm 16:28:05 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6627 /trunk/ (order.h order_cmd.c order_gui.c): 16:28:05 <CIA-2> -Fix r6624: fixed some warnings 16:28:05 <CIA-2> Now it happened again. Somebody got warnings, that I didn't get... I will look into this issue 16:29:32 <CIA-2> peter1138 * r6628 /trunk/ (5 files): 16:29:32 <CIA-2> - Feature: Add the ability to pause a server if not enough players are 16:29:32 <CIA-2> connected. The setting for this is 'min_players' and can be set in the config 16:29:32 <CIA-2> and via the console. If the number of players drops below this number, the 16:29:32 <CIA-2> server will pause the game. 16:30:38 <hylje> mass features 16:30:40 <hylje> zomg 16:31:24 <CIA-2> peter1138 * r6629 /trunk/network_server.c: - Fix (r6628): One check for the number of players got misplaced by patch... 16:32:07 <Born_Acorn> yay 16:32:40 <Born_Acorn> Now all we need is a working NewGRF gui ingame! 16:34:05 <peter1138> shut up 16:35:27 <Born_Acorn> :o 16:35:33 <hylje> Born_Acorn is right, we could use a working gui for newgrf 16:35:47 <hylje> the current config tweaking is a bit eww 16:36:09 <Born_Acorn> The current one says "Newgrf" instead of NewGRF! 16:36:26 <hylje> omg! 16:36:31 <Born_Acorn> Yes! 16:36:36 <peter1138> clearly it needs fixing 16:36:37 <peter1138> hmm 16:36:43 <hylje> thats unpossible 16:37:01 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:03 <Born_Acorn> The number of bug reports in the forums "The icons are red! I can see the graphics in front of me, but it's red, so it doesn't work!" 16:39:02 <peter1138> yeah 16:39:03 <peter1138> hehe 16:39:06 <Belugas> what about random colors ? 16:39:14 <peter1138> woo, min players :D 16:39:24 <Belugas> that willbe fun to give proper interpretation! 16:39:33 <hylje> :D 16:39:35 <hylje> o yhe 16:39:41 <hylje> random colors ftw 16:39:52 <peter1138> hmm 16:39:56 <hylje> next step: randomized palette ingame 16:39:58 <peter1138> this game is now at 2017 :( 16:40:18 <hylje> two hundred and one? 16:40:57 <peter1138> two thousand and seventeen 16:41:13 <hylje> k 16:41:35 <hylje> i interpreted the 7 as ? : 16:42:06 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:43:17 <peter1138> heh 16:43:54 <Born_Acorn> Hmm. Town Name GRFs don't work. :( 16:44:20 *** neglesaks [~Darius@83.73.66.246.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 16:45:04 <peter1138> newp 16:45:11 <peter1138> totally unsupported 16:45:46 <Belugas> Currencies are! 16:46:21 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host14-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:47:32 <Maedhros> hmm. what happened to the black box around the terrain type in the tgp settings box? 16:48:14 <Wolf01> hi 16:48:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:00:22 <Belugas> there was a black box there? 17:01:58 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 17:03:00 <Maedhros> i thought so - like there is on the title screen (it's an animated dotted black line) 17:03:08 *** neglesaks [~Darius@83.73.66.246.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: Seeya... I'm gonna go napalm some poodles now....] 17:03:11 *** sjr [~sjr@S01060008029e1eb2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:12 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:13:35 <Born_Acorn> Hmm. Has there been any bridge branch progress recently? 17:14:15 <hylje> no 17:14:20 <Born_Acorn> boo. 17:14:42 <Wolf01> i want magic bridges too :( 17:15:36 <ln-> important announcement to everyone non-english speaker 17:15:41 <ln-> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/287261_tamil02ww.html 17:16:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 17:18:48 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: You have the urge to do some accounting...] 17:18:56 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:22:11 <Wolf01> when strangers come in italy we try to speak english or deutsch, in other places i found people which looked to me disgusted when i said a word in italian or literally translated a sentence... 17:35:00 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79ab3.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:41:29 <CIA-2> miham * r6630 /trunk/lang/ (5 files): 17:41:29 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-10-03 19:38:59 17:41:29 <CIA-2> danish - 6 fixed by ThomasA (6) 17:41:29 <CIA-2> french - 3 fixed, 3 changed by belugas (6) 17:41:29 <CIA-2> hungarian - 5 fixed by miham (5) 17:41:30 <CIA-2> icelandic - 10 fixed, 17 changed by scrooge (27) 17:41:30 <CIA-2> italian - 24 fixed, 2 changed by sidew (26) 17:42:26 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:42:36 <lolman> Ello :( 17:43:19 <hylje> hi lolman, lol 17:43:27 <lolman> Ello hylje :( 17:43:40 <hylje> lol :( 17:44:05 * lolman is annoyed at parents...everything that goes wrong on their PCs, I get blamed for 17:44:46 <hylje> make them aware that they know less about them than you do 17:44:57 <lolman> That's the problem 17:45:27 <lolman> They RECKON that because I configured it all for them, that's why it isn't working 17:45:43 <lolman> But it's because they're not maintaining their PCs at all 17:45:49 <hylje> it runs windows right? 17:45:51 <lolman> Yeah 17:46:15 <hylje> say that windows one large wtf that cant be fully maintained by even professionals 17:46:21 <hylje> +is 17:46:38 <lolman> Well I'm running it at the moment, not got much room to talk 17:46:58 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 17:47:22 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-48-152.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:47:30 <hylje> so? say that you have to give it bandaid and eventually reinstall from scratch 17:47:43 <lolman> Oh and because his BitTorrent download didn't work he yanked the router...even though everything else was working perfectly 17:47:57 <lolman> He really is dumb 17:48:05 <lolman> Well, THEY are :P 17:48:10 <hylje> not dumb, just not knowledgeable 17:48:27 <lolman> No, he is genuinely dumb 17:48:37 <hylje> :G 17:48:50 <lolman> Near on deaf, too 17:49:49 * lolman watches wireless status 17:49:55 <lolman> Reckon he's about to yank it again 17:50:48 <lolman> Phew 17:55:20 <lolman> Anyhow, less on that ;-) 17:56:12 <Born_Acorn> 18:44:03) * lolman is annoyed at parents...everything that goes wrong on their PCs, I get blamed for <-- There's not one shared compute where blame isn't given. 17:56:22 <Born_Acorn> Which I why I my own computer. 17:56:40 <Born_Acorn> They find the computer still breaks, but they can't blame me! 17:56:58 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 18:00:03 <lolman> Born_Acorn, I have my own, but they blame me for theirs breaking too 18:01:02 <Born_Acorn> Then you must decide to kill yourself on Christmas and get shown what the world will be like without you by an Angel, decide not to commit suicide and have a revelation, and then live happily ever after! 18:01:06 <Belugas> one solution, lolman : get your own appartment :) and laugh at them when they'll blame each other 18:01:24 <Born_Acorn> Pfft. My way has a better ending. 18:01:39 <Born_Acorn> But you might get sued by someone. 18:01:40 <lolman> Belugas, I can't afford that ;-) 18:01:55 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-203-155.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:02:23 <lolman> Evening Sacro 18:02:34 <Sacro> oh noes! 18:03:06 <lolman> Great, he wants me downstairs 18:03:10 <lolman> Any advice? 18:03:30 <Belugas> hehehe 18:03:31 <Belugas> nope 18:03:38 <lolman> :-\ 18:03:48 * lolman goes to a likely grave 18:05:03 <Born_Acorn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_A_Wonderful_Life 18:05:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i have learned to ignore being blamed for not workiness of computers 18:07:04 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 18:07:04 <Sacro> !logs 18:07:55 <lolman> HAHAHAHA!!! 18:08:03 <lolman> His motherboard's dead!! 18:08:04 <lolman> :-D 18:08:23 <hylje> haha lol. 18:08:48 <glx> will not fixed tonight then :) 18:08:52 <lolman> Nope :P 18:09:01 <lolman> And I can't be blamed for this one :-D 18:10:06 * Sacro waits till midnight... 18:10:13 * Sacro is very impatient 18:11:26 <Sacro> damnit >< 18:11:32 * Sacro wishes time would speed up 18:12:11 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:24 <lolman> He's trying to format a machine with a dead motherboard... 18:16:41 <hylje> -- 18:16:49 <hylje> he should go get a mac 18:17:01 <lolman> *spit* 18:17:16 <lolman> He should get an AmigaOne 18:17:17 <lolman> :P 18:17:35 <Sacro> DAMNIT I WANT MY NEW PC 18:18:00 <guru3> AND IT SHALL NOT COME 18:18:09 <Sacro> guru3: oh it better do 18:18:16 * Born_Acorn already burnt down the warehouse it was in 18:18:25 <Sacro> :o he speaks! 18:18:37 <Born_Acorn> I never speaks 18:19:23 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: you do speak 18:19:53 <Born_Acorn> I speak, but I never speaks 18:22:56 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-141-93-39.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:31:14 <lolman> Hmm, I'm off to watch my dad attempt to gut his dead PC <g> 18:31:17 <lolman> BBL :P 18:33:39 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:35:26 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Doom 18:35:44 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-203-155.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:16 *** pumpkin [~ram@p54A66630.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:36:56 <peter1138> hello 18:40:32 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 18:40:49 *** Sacro [~ben@212.50.172.124] has joined #openttd 18:44:02 <peter1138> Sacro: updated ukrs :) 18:48:38 <Sacro> yay 18:50:21 <peter1138> also 18:50:28 <peter1138> built in server pausing :D 18:50:54 <Sacro> yay 18:50:57 <Sacro> trunk? 18:51:17 <peter1138> yeah 18:51:23 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:51:39 *** TrueLight [~truelight@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:51:45 <Sacro> nice 18:51:45 *** TrueLight [~truelight@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:55:14 *** Belugas is now known as Bazooka 18:56:00 *** pumpkin [~ram@p54A66630.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 18:56:10 <peter1138> and order refits 18:56:18 <peter1138> not tested that though 18:57:32 <Sacro> ooh, it got commited 18:57:54 *** Bazooka is now known as Belugas 18:58:14 *** MiHaMeK is now known as MiHaMiX 18:58:20 <Sacro> buh? 19:00:37 <peter1138> hmm? 19:01:23 <Born_Acorn> wah? 19:01:28 <Sacro> nick changing above 19:05:28 <Belugas> inside joke ;) 19:05:42 <Born_Acorn> Maedhros is right, the box around the Landscape types in the TGP GUI is busted. 19:05:49 <Born_Acorn> I can't tell which one is selected! 19:05:53 *** Jhs_ [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-7542.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 19:06:11 <Jhs_> a little more people in here... 19:06:34 * Sacro considers going to the pub 19:06:55 *** Jhs_ is now known as Jhs 19:10:05 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:11:53 <Jhs> I'm in the process of translating OpenTTD to Norwegian 19:12:04 <hylje> wow 19:12:19 <Sacro> errm... isnt it in norwegian already? 19:12:23 <Jhs> does anyone know of the strings from STR_0240_COAL_MINE are the ones appended to a city name to form an industry name? 19:12:27 <Jhs> Sacro: well, yes 19:12:29 <Jhs> i was unclear 19:12:40 <Sacro> Jhs: have you spoken to MiHaMiX ? 19:12:42 <Jhs> i'm _fixing_ the translation ( a few grammar errors and such) 19:12:45 <Jhs> Sacro: yes 19:12:55 <Sacro> ah cool 19:14:14 <glx> Jhs: STR_0240_COAL_MINE is used in scenario editor, and build industry window 19:14:30 <Jhs> glx: ok, thank you 19:14:36 <Jhs> what strings are used to form industry names then? 19:14:52 <Jhs> (is there a list of this anywhere?) 19:19:37 * lolman is over the moon 19:19:57 <lolman> Funny how anger and pissed-off-ness can turn to ecstasy in moments :P 19:20:02 * Jhs g2g 19:20:03 <Jhs> cya 19:20:09 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-7542.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: buy bye] 19:20:18 <glx> Jhs: not really, btw STR_4802_COAL_MINE and followers are used for industry naming 19:20:30 <glx> too late 19:24:04 <izhirahider> the email warning for new untranslated items if a big feature 19:30:50 *** Sacro [~ben@212.50.172.124] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:44 * lolman has turned relationship counsellor...even though he hasn;t had a good relationship ever 19:32:49 <lolman> hasn't 19:32:55 <hylje> lol 19:49:19 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:17 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:15:28 *** Progman [~progman@p5091DE02.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:16:23 <CIA-2> belugas * r6631 /trunk/ (23 files): 20:16:23 <CIA-2> -Codechange: Use accessors for click_state. 20:16:23 <CIA-2> Another step toward merging XTDwidget. 20:16:23 <CIA-2> The only two files not converted (window.h and widget.c) will be done at the very last commit) 20:17:36 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 20:20:01 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:27:00 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:32 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:41:33 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.200.55] has joined #openttd 20:43:28 <lolman> *yawn* 20:43:55 <hylje> lol 20:45:17 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.200.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:45:17 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 20:48:35 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:11 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:24 *** [Surge] [~Surge@dsl-146-95-207.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 20:54:17 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 20:54:18 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 20:54:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 20:59:54 *** Progman [~progman@p5091DE02.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:21 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 21:00:24 <[Surge]> Is there anyway to see what the multipler server settings are? 21:00:33 <[Surge]> multiplayer 21:00:47 <pv2b> yes 21:01:14 <[Surge]> I keep joining- starting a company and then find that the settings are not what I expected. 21:01:21 <[Surge]> How? 21:01:26 <pv2b> spectate. 21:01:32 <pv2b> then look at the settings 21:01:49 <[Surge]> Ok but the one that really bugs me is the "remove idle companies" feature 21:02:02 <[Surge]> I go to bed - come back in the morning and my company is gone. 21:02:39 <pv2b> oh, you mean to see whether autoclean is active or not. 21:02:56 <pv2b> not sure if you can see that setting or not, i thought you were referring to patches and difficulty settings 21:03:57 <[Surge]> "auto clean" yeah that's the one. A lot of people don't add it to the server description. 21:04:21 <pv2b> even then, though, there is no guarantee that the server admin will not have cleaned out your company manually 21:04:24 <pv2b> or even restarted the server 21:04:36 <pv2b> if you really want to keep the company, save it, and you can play it in single-player. 21:11:22 *** Rens2Doom is now known as Rens2Sea 21:11:45 <CIA-2> miham * r6632 /trunk/lang/ (5 files): 21:11:45 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-10-03 23:11:07 21:11:45 <CIA-2> american - 3 fixed, 2 changed by WhiteRabbit (5) 21:11:45 <CIA-2> catalan - 3 fixed, 2 changed by arnaullv (5) 21:11:45 <CIA-2> norwegian - 50 fixed by brygge_2 (50) 21:11:46 <CIA-2> polish - 3 fixed, 2 changed by meush (5) 21:11:46 <CIA-2> swedish - 3 fixed, 2 changed by cjw (5) 21:12:45 <MiHaMiX> Total I18N status: 92% - 6719 bad strings 21:15:11 <izhirahider> I'm missing 19 :) 21:15:39 *** [Surge] [~Surge@dsl-146-95-207.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:21:20 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:21:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host14-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 21:44:03 *** balli [~balli@dsl-149-112-152.hive.is] has joined #openttd 21:44:30 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 21:45:52 *** balli is now known as scrooge 21:50:38 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:02:35 <lolman> Evenin! 22:03:02 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:51 <scrooge> hello... 22:14:48 <ln-> quiz: where is this photo taken: http://ksenos.fi/~lauri/juna.jpg 22:16:32 <scrooge> spain? 22:16:45 <scrooge> it looks sunny enaugh :D 22:16:51 <Serriaromeo> europe somewhere, france maybe 22:17:26 <Serriaromeo> i can tell you where it wasnt taken at :-) 22:18:07 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC69E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:17 <Serriaromeo> finland? 22:19:29 <ln-> not spain, not france, not even finland. 22:19:44 <Serriaromeo> europe? 22:20:53 <glx> Italy? 22:21:28 <Serriaromeo> germany 22:21:35 <Serriaromeo> or denmark 22:21:45 <scrooge> brazil? 22:21:51 <scrooge> give us a hint.. 22:22:05 <lws1984> Finland! 22:22:18 <Serriaromeo> I guessed that already 22:22:24 <lws1984> oh 22:22:27 <lws1984> never mind then 22:22:33 * lws1984 slinks back into lurking 22:22:47 <ln-> ok, it's italy. 22:23:11 <lws1984> italy??? 22:23:31 <glx> yeah I recognized the logos 22:23:50 <Serriaromeo> i was trying to identify the building style at the end of the tracks 22:25:49 <ln-> the city of La Spezia. 22:26:11 <scrooge> photo by you? 22:26:15 <Serriaromeo> http://www.andybell.ch/images/2001/ausrt/a58q.jpg what about this train :-) 22:26:35 <ln-> yes, i took the photo. 22:26:46 <scrooge> ok, you're from italy? 22:26:52 <scrooge> or you just went there on holiday? 22:26:57 <ln-> no, finland. 22:27:15 <ln-> there, and six other countries.. 22:27:41 <scrooge> wow, that must've been a nice summer... 22:28:28 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:12 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:29:31 <lws1984> well, i'm off to dinner 22:29:44 <lws1984> oops, wrong window 22:33:01 <ln-> La Spezia was especially a nice city. lots of pedestrian streets, not too much traffic noise, warm at night, palms, pieces of watermelon sold in the night, ice cream sold in the night, .. 22:38:01 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:10 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 22:38:21 *** Mucht|zZz [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: I'll be back!] 22:45:01 <scrooge> what other countries did you visit? 22:45:31 <ln-> switzerland, france, liechtenstein, austria, germany, denmark. 22:45:55 <scrooge> ok, road trip around europe? 22:46:02 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:05 <ln-> we flew to italy first, then used train until switzerland, rented a car, and eventually returned it to munich. then flew to finland via copenhagen. 22:48:18 <scrooge> that must've taken a while..? 22:58:32 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:58:33 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [] 22:59:31 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:04:08 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-140-151.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:04:20 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:23 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 23:04:51 <ln-> scrooge: a week. 23:05:22 <scrooge> wow, that's pretty fast :p 23:05:42 <scrooge> fast travelling that is, short time.. 23:06:50 <ln-> yeah. even too short one could say, but time is money, and more nights cost more in accommodation. 23:07:28 <scrooge> true 23:07:42 <scrooge> what did you do, other than buying ice in the nigth? ;) 23:11:32 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-136-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:48 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:18:38 *** Sacro [~ben@212.50.172.124] has joined #openttd 23:19:39 <lws1984> Sacro! 23:19:41 <lws1984> Sacro! 23:20:46 <Sacro> ugh 23:37:10 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:41:11 *** Sacro [~ben@212.50.172.124] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]