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00:01:28 <Serriaromeo> just got a bunch of errors on the language files using a clean source during building, mingw32-winxp 00:01:44 <glx> they are just warnings 00:02:03 <glx> untranslated strings 00:02:54 <Serriaromeo> mostly, a few empty string errors, and a couple of plural errors, but all in languages that i don't speak, so no worrys :-) 00:27:40 <Serriaromeo> i think i found a bug with 6642 00:27:53 <glx> tell us 00:29:17 <Serriaromeo> when you click on a rail type and are laying track, if you hit the bulldozer, it will switch to remove mode, which works fine, but the bulldozer greys out, and you can't deselect it, you have to double click the rail again, to be able to lay track, or as an alternate, you can hit the numbers 1-5 and lay track, but the dozer stays greyed out in that case. 00:29:38 <glx> yeah known, we are fixing it :) 00:31:34 <Serriaromeo> ok, well then a feature request, a tooltip to tell you what the new buttons do :-) 00:31:56 <glx> which one ? 00:32:15 <Serriaromeo> on the depot window, 00:32:40 <glx> there are tooltips 00:34:07 <Serriaromeo> i guess it helps to rtfm :-) right click works well for the tips 00:34:49 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 00:42:35 *** scrooge [~balli@dsl-149-112-152.hive.is] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:53:48 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:43:54 <CIA-2> belugas * r6643 /trunk/rail_gui.c: -Fix(r6631): Adjust proper disabled and lowered states of removal button on railtoolbar 01:44:11 <Belugas> oups... 01:44:21 <Belugas> FOund by Serriaromeo 01:44:40 <Belugas> Thnaks to glx for helping hand 01:44:50 <Belugas> sorry 01:44:55 <Serriaromeo> glx said that one was already known :| 01:46:13 <Serriaromeo> there is just something wrong with a 707 taking off from a grass strip 01:50:04 <Belugas> i did not checked far enough in the logs... 01:50:11 <Belugas> but heheh.. 01:50:15 <Belugas> one less a bug :) 01:50:39 <Serriaromeo> that's true, only a few hundred left to find :-) 01:52:07 * Belugas slaps Serriaromeo 01:52:17 <Belugas> not a good way to encourage us :( 01:52:36 <Belugas> are you a candidate for a quick ? 01:52:36 <Serriaromeo> it could be worse, it could be a few million like any verison of windows. 01:52:51 <glx> Belugas: the word is kick ;) 01:54:30 <Serriaromeo> i was trying to be encouraging, considering the number of commercial software applications that are out that have so many bugs that they are useable, compared to yalls nearly perfect coding. 01:56:48 * Belugas is sorry... he is tired, frustrated by a nasty bad bug and did not meant to be aggressive 01:58:05 <Serriaromeo> np, i do understand, anything i can do to help? 02:02:59 <Belugas> a cup of herbal thea,maybe ;) 02:03:03 <Belugas> na... thanks. 02:03:14 <Belugas> oh... yes.. keep on finding bugs.. 02:03:16 <Belugas> but .. 02:03:24 <Belugas> don't show them tonight ;) 02:04:55 <Serriaromeo> ok, i'll head to bed then, and do my bug finding after i get home from work then tomrrow :-) 02:08:18 <Belugas> night Serriaromeo :) 02:17:02 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:17:03 *** Serriaromeo_ [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 02:26:34 <CIA-2> belugas * r6644 /trunk/ (aircraft.h aircraft_cmd.c openttd.vcproj openttd_vs80.vcproj): 02:26:34 <CIA-2> -Fix(r6637): remove inline to allow MSVC compilation 02:26:34 <CIA-2> -Fix(r5124): Add aircraft.h to MSVC projects 02:29:04 <CIA-2> belugas * r6645 /trunk/depot_gui.c: -Fix(r6631): Forgot two click_state occurences 02:39:23 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3FBEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:41:57 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 02:44:04 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:45:37 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3DBC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:18:18 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Bed.] 04:39:33 *** Serriaromeo_ [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:39:33 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 05:00:40 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77616.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:01:34 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 05:04:03 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:07:07 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B760BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:10:39 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 05:33:39 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:43:54 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 06:08:23 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:09:23 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 07:11:55 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D6A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:30:46 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37F58.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:33:19 *** Torm [~adam@vpnc-stu-23-105.murdoch.edu.au] has joined #openttd 07:33:39 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a65.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:33:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 07:43:33 *** Torm [~adam@vpnc-stu-23-105.murdoch.edu.au] has quit [Quit: adios!] 08:15:55 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6646 /trunk/ (6 files): 08:15:55 <CIA-2> -Codechange: [vehicle list window] Cleaned up the drawing code 08:15:55 <CIA-2> This moved a few of the strings and sprites a few pixels. Hopefully this will work out ok. 08:27:49 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6647 /trunk/ (order_cmd.c vehicle_gui.c): 08:27:49 <CIA-2> -Fix: [vehicle list windows] Lists of shared orders are now no longer closed by a window event if the list is empty 08:27:49 <CIA-2> The window is now closed when the order is deleted. 08:27:49 <CIA-2> This is because removing windows from a window event is asking for problems 08:39:21 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6648 /trunk/vehicle.c: -Codechange: simplified CmdDepotMassAutoReplace() by changing a switch-case into using a function, that was added in r6647 08:40:07 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 09:00:00 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-165-107.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:09:06 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2D7E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:15:42 *** MaulingMonkey_iBook [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: MaulingMonkey_iBook] 09:16:06 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2D4A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:56 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 09:22:58 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-212-170.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:31:02 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:49:25 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 09:57:25 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387EEDD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:58:30 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 09:59:56 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:04:46 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387CE0F.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:07 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:46 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:09:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:28:04 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176126067.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:29:06 *** Nigel_ is now known as Nigel 10:29:23 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 11:27:11 <CIA-2> peter1138 * r6649 /trunk/ (train.h train_cmd.c train_gui.c): - Codechange: Show more correct capacity of articulated wagons in the train purchase list. 11:31:49 *** Spoco- [~Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-96.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 11:31:54 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-96.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:58 *** Spoco- [~Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-96.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 11:32:17 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-96.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 11:43:29 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 11:57:03 *** Trenskow [~outlet@80.251.195.1] has joined #openttd 11:57:55 *** Trenskow [~outlet@80.251.195.1] has quit [] 12:05:32 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-165-107.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:07:01 <Darkvater> good afternoon people :) 12:07:36 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:14:55 <Born_Acorn> a'noon 12:15:33 <peter1138> moo 12:17:20 <Darkvater> more like beeeeh :) 12:17:35 <Darkvater> I've had some nice nighttime sheepish visitors on the english roads 12:18:10 <CIA-2> peter1138 * r6650 /trunk/rail_gui.c: - Fix (r6619): Fix widget state setting of the rail toolbar when using hotkeys. 12:18:51 <peter1138> english roads? 12:18:57 <peter1138> you've what 12:19:09 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 12:19:33 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:19:39 <Darkvater> I was in England last week 12:20:09 <peter1138> now you tell us 12:20:14 <Darkvater> Devon/Cornwall 12:20:26 <Darkvater> I already did a week ago :) 12:20:30 <peter1138> feh 12:20:34 <peter1138> miles away heh 12:20:55 <peter1138> seems the file selection window isn't useful for just picking files 12:21:11 <hylje> oh noes? 12:23:36 <Darkvater> peter1138: yeah, pretty much. Been driving for 8 hours yesterday 12:23:50 <Darkvater> all the way back from Portsmouth in one go 12:24:27 <peter1138> portsmouth isn't devon/cornwall ;p 12:24:37 <Darkvater> I can also successfully claim now that I have seen the end of lands :) 12:24:39 <Born_Acorn> How'd you drive across the channel? 12:24:40 <Born_Acorn> :p 12:24:41 * Darkvater slaps peter1138 12:24:48 <Darkvater> Born_Acorn: eurtunnel 12:24:57 <peter1138> there's a world's end near portsmouth 12:25:15 <Darkvater> is there? Kinda fake though 12:25:16 <Born_Acorn> That's not driving! That's sitting in a car for 45 mins. 12:25:23 <Darkvater> Land's End is the real thing :) 12:25:34 <Born_Acorn> I went there once. 12:25:42 <Born_Acorn> I slipped on the wooden bridge. 12:26:06 <Darkvater> the one just in front of the farm? 12:26:19 <Born_Acorn> I can't remember. 12:26:19 <peter1138> so i need the file selection window, but without it being tied into game modes 'n stuff 12:26:30 <Born_Acorn> I just remembered there was a bridge and I slipped on it. 12:26:43 <Darkvater> poor BA :) 12:26:59 <Darkvater> I must say it was a ripoff though. Charging 3 pounds for parking...pfft 12:27:33 <Darkvater> peter1138: you needa cook your own then. It's actually only one window now with filters on top and heavy magic inside 12:27:42 <Darkvater> even more magic since tgp happened 12:29:27 *** Mucht|zZz [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: I'll be back!] 12:31:24 <peter1138> yeah 12:31:33 <peter1138> but all the current uses are actual game related 12:32:01 <Darkvater> what would you need it for? 12:32:27 <peter1138> selecting grf files 12:32:59 <Darkvater> for in-game loading? 12:33:14 <peter1138> no, for in-game selection 12:33:18 <Born_Acorn> He's doing a file selection window because editing a cfg file is too hard for some. It's beyond their mental capacity. 12:33:36 <Darkvater> like the current (useless) newgrf window? 12:33:56 <Born_Acorn> But more useful. :p 12:36:57 <peter1138> vaguely 12:40:35 <Darkvater> so to bypass openttd.cfg since it would be a bit awkward and confusing to have these things in the config file, but saved with the game itself 12:41:18 *** jez9999 [ka4nblo450@66.45.41.59] has joined #openttd 12:41:50 <Darkvater> well what I can see is some kind of a generic window that builds a fioslist and returns the index of the selected item on pressing 'ok' or 'load' or whatever. Then the calling window/code can process it further 12:43:12 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2EveOnline 12:43:27 <jez9999> Hello 12:45:01 <jez9999> T - 7 days until I have home net access 12:45:42 <Darkvater> can't hardly wait, eh? 12:46:47 <jez9999> indeed 12:47:12 <jez9999> Does anyone know whether Belugas has yet hacked some of my face customization patch code? 12:49:13 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-167-207.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 12:56:37 <peter1138> Darkvater: yeah, i was hoping to be lazy and use the existing window ;) 12:56:41 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:56:48 <peter1138> and it can save it in the config... not a problem them 12:57:00 <peter1138> well, clearing it is a problem, hmm. 12:59:20 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:59:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:59:37 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6651 /trunk/ (9 files): (log message trimmed) 12:59:37 <CIA-2> -Coding feature: added the windowevent WE_INVALIDATE_DATA 12:59:37 <CIA-2> This gives the ability to invalidate some window data and recalculate as needed instead of doing it for each WE_PAINT 12:59:37 <CIA-2> This event is called right away when using InvalidateWindowData(), so it may be a good idea to set a bool or similar in the window 12:59:37 <CIA-2> or similar and then act on that bool in WE_PAINT instead of doing a lot of stuff in WE_INVALIDATE_DATA as it might be called more than once before WE_PAINT is called 12:59:38 <CIA-2> InvalidateWindowData() will not automatically repaint the window, so if you want to repaint it as well, you need to mark it dirty as well. 12:59:40 <CIA-2> Made the depot windows use WE_INVALIDATE_DATA to set when to generate the engine and wagon lists instead of at each redraw 12:59:40 <Darkvater> well as long as it's handled as _patches it'd be ok I guess 13:00:21 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-167-207.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:04:15 <peter1138> _patches? 13:04:38 <Darkvater> you know; newgame_patches and _patches 13:04:45 <peter1138> oh, yes 13:11:39 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6652 /trunk/ (depot_gui.c vehicle_gui.c): 13:11:39 <CIA-2> -Feature: [depot window] depot lists are now sorted, so vehicle 1 is always first and so on 13:11:39 <CIA-2> This should not be a big slowdown as it's only called each time the list is generated and will normally be much faster than the list generation itself (only a small % of the total number of vehicles is in the depot) 13:12:45 <jez9999> hey, peter. how's it going? 13:12:59 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:13:56 <Darkvater> hmm why would we want depot lists always sorted? 13:14:12 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:14:13 <Darkvater> sounds kinda lame 13:14:17 <jez9999> who cares, Bjarni checked it in! 13:14:33 <Darkvater> ? 13:14:40 *** jez9999 [ka4nblo450@66.45.41.59] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC] 13:14:50 *** jez9999 [lsmq8pg96d@66.45.41.59] has joined #openttd 13:15:16 <Darkvater> oh well 13:15:18 <jez9999> Well, there's no real vetting process for checking new code in, so that's decided now. 13:15:55 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by glx|away))] 13:15:57 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> hmm why would we want depot lists always sorted? <-- me. Also with just 200 vehicles in the game and 21 in the depot, it took around 7-10 times as long to generate the list as it took to sort it 13:16:00 *** glx|away is now known as glx 13:16:12 <Darkvater> Bjarni: and you're god now or what? 13:16:21 <Bjarni> ... 13:16:22 <Darkvater> this is all turning out to be really stupid 13:16:31 <Darkvater> but do whatever you wanna do 13:16:57 <jez9999> heh, Darkvater, can I have checkin access too? 13:17:05 <jez9999> I think my face patch would work well and it's good for me 13:17:17 <Darkvater> no comment 13:21:49 <Darkvater> hmm stupid 'smart upgrade'. Hangs after downloading the kernel sources :s 13:23:59 <Bjarni> jez9999: you should make the changes we told to do before it can be added. The patch works well from the player's point of view, but it's ugly code 13:24:31 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-96.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 13:25:37 <Bjarni> Darkvater: just used TIC()/TOC() and it took me around 10 times as long to call DrawDepotWindow() than it took to sort the list and since the list is only sorted when the list changes length... 13:26:24 <Darkvater> I remember telling you that optimizing this kind of stuff is a waste 13:27:09 <Bjarni> well, I didn't optimise it, I verified that it would not be a huge slowdown 13:27:22 <jez9999> Bjarni: I know. I was making the point more about the checkin process for this project. Which is.... haphazard :-) 13:27:26 <Bjarni> I would say that's two different things 13:27:38 *** _smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:28:07 <jez9999> Considering the strictness of the coding guidelines, I'm surprised about the disorganisation of the checkin process 13:30:24 <Bjarni> ... 13:30:52 <Bjarni> main rule: write readable code 13:32:05 <Bjarni> you failed to apply to what we consider readable by making huge functions, so you have to take parts of them out and make static functions so it's easier to see what goes on where 13:32:17 <jez9999> no that's coding guidelines, as i was saying 13:32:19 <jez9999> not checkin process 13:32:54 * Bjarni fails to see how it can be done differently 13:32:55 <glx> jez9999: what do you mean? 13:33:12 <Bjarni> you write a patch, you upload it and we take a look when we get time 13:33:23 <Bjarni> you can't demand a timeframe for unpaid work 13:33:35 <Bjarni> usually it's a decent timeframe anyway 13:34:55 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:35:03 <Bjarni> jez9999: how else would you expect it to work? 13:37:50 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-167-207.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 13:49:36 <jez9999> Bjarni: Mozilla has a system where there's peer review before any patch goes in 13:49:52 <jez9999> Even those by module leaders 13:50:03 <jez9999> you just shove stuff in willy nilly 13:56:45 <Born_Acorn> There used to be IRC meetings! 14:00:29 <jez9999> No, you need a proper bug-tracking system (Bugzilla is good) that actually gets used 14:00:45 <glx> flyspray is good too 14:01:07 <jez9999> i didn't think much of that. maybe because i'm so used to bugzilla. 14:04:36 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6653 /trunk/vehicle.c: -Fix r6624: [autoreplace] autoreplace will no longer replace a vehicle if the old type can refit to the cargo types being used in the refit orders and the new one lacks one or more of those refit capabilities 14:05:34 <jez9999> heh. I rest my case 14:05:44 <Bjarni> jez9999: you are saying that I should ask your permission to apply my patches??? 14:06:09 <Bjarni> <jez9999> heh. I rest my case <-- ? 14:06:29 <Bjarni> if you read the svn log, that revision actually got a warning against this issue 14:07:04 <jez9999> still, no patch peer review 14:07:09 <jez9999> i should be able to just commit a patch 14:07:38 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-167-207.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:19 <peter1138> lol 14:08:44 <Bjarni> jez9999: if everybody got commit access, the trunk would never be able to compile 14:09:23 <jez9999> half the time it can't anyway :-) 14:09:29 <Bjarni> not true 14:09:34 <Born_Acorn> Yes it can. 14:09:43 <Bjarni> it can 99% of the time 14:09:45 <jez9999> well then people who submit competent patches should have commit access./ 14:09:54 <Bjarni> yeah 14:10:02 <Bjarni> we already gave them access 14:10:11 <jez9999> um, no i dont think you did 14:10:26 <Born_Acorn> Emphasis on competent, please. 14:10:27 <jez9999> plenty of contributers to MiniIM don't have access 14:10:52 <Bjarni> hmm 14:11:07 <Bjarni> why are you all of a sudden the spokeperson of those people? 14:11:44 <peter1138> i bet bitching to mozilla about their process would get you commit access either 14:11:54 <peter1138> or any other project 14:11:56 <Born_Acorn> Most of those with commit access did more than make one or two features. 14:11:59 <jez9999> as i said, Mozilla have a much more organised checkin process 14:12:44 <jez9999> why should contributing several features make you competent to muck around with the trunk? 14:12:57 <Born_Acorn> Most of those with commit access did more than make one or two features. 14:13:28 <Born_Acorn> Like fixing trunk bugs for a month. 14:13:30 <jez9999> yeah, slightly more advanced features 14:13:35 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-167-207.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 14:14:03 <peter1138> jez9999: you might as well bugger off, because all you do is complain, and you'll never get access that way. 14:14:07 <jez9999> so, what happened, did they ask for it or were they offered it? 14:14:12 <Bjarni> the only sane thing jez9999 have said until now is that we might benefit from a system where people can vote on patches... the question is if it will work and hence be worth the hassle 14:14:52 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 14:14:52 <Born_Acorn> !logs 14:15:00 <Bjarni> <jez9999> yeah, slightly more advanced features <-- I wrote OSX support as my first patch, which were not enough to give me commit access 14:15:00 <jez9999> peter: all i do, huh. that's a retarded statement. shut up. 14:15:38 <jez9999> i've done a lot for openttd 14:15:44 <Bjarni> like? 14:16:01 <Bjarni> the face patch, which have yet to be ready for committing 14:16:06 <Bjarni> anything else? 14:16:16 <hylje> i wrote a trivial patch changing one (1) line, can i get commit access 14:16:17 <hylje> :E 14:16:31 <Born_Acorn> I say we give hylje commit access! 14:16:41 * peter1138 commits Born_Acorn 14:16:41 <Bjarni> I mean, to gain access, you need to prove that you can code well enough to add something without us proofreading it. You have yet to do that 14:16:45 <jez9999> suggestions for new features in the forums, helping others in the forums 14:17:01 <jez9999> born_acorn: so do i. :-) 14:17:29 <Bjarni> <jez9999> suggestions for new features in the forums, helping others in the forums <-- this is good, but we can't tell much about your coding skills based on that ;) 14:17:29 <peter1138> wow. suggestsions. 14:17:36 <peter1138> i'm impressed 14:17:40 <jez9999> bjarni: not to be rude, but from what I've seen, it's questionable as to whether you can do that. 14:17:49 <Born_Acorn> I've made suggestions! I want commit access too! 14:17:53 <Bjarni> o_O 14:18:16 <jez9999> <Darkvater> Bjarni: and you're god now or what? 14:18:17 <Bjarni> <jez9999> bjarni: not to be rude, but from what I've seen, it's questionable as to whether you can do that. <-- explain and do it really good or.... 14:18:39 <jez9999> <Darkvater> this is all turning out to be really stupid 14:18:52 <jez9999> <Darkvater> I remember telling you that optimizing this kind of stuff is a waste 14:19:01 <Bjarni> lol 14:19:09 <jez9999> ... 14:19:17 <Bjarni> and you listened to that? :P 14:19:29 <Neonox> I'm a translator! I want commit access! :D 14:19:41 <jez9999> no, i read it. :-P 14:19:59 <Bjarni> Neonox: actually that's how I got commit access (sort of) 14:20:24 <Bjarni> I got the job to commit all translation updates that people posted. That was before we got the web translator 14:20:39 <hylje> "i'm too lazy to do that. here's the access' 14:20:39 <peter1138> so, i switched my cygwin/x login from gnome to windowmaker, and now ottd works properly 14:21:01 <hylje> does cygwin run wine 14:21:20 <peter1138> does wine run cygwin 14:21:25 <Neonox> hylje: no 14:21:40 <hylje> recursive cygwin/wine 14:21:42 <hylje> win 14:22:02 <jez9999> peter: implemented the old livery selector dialog yet? *ducks* 14:22:13 <Bjarni> <hylje> "i'm too lazy to do that. here's the access' <-- that's what ludde said to me.... sure I did a lot of coding before that took place and at first I was only allowed to commit in the lang dir 14:22:48 <peter1138> no 14:22:51 <peter1138> and i'm not going to 14:23:06 <jez9999> i'm shocked. 14:23:33 <Bjarni> <jez9999> bjarni: not to be rude, but from what I've seen, it's questionable as to whether you can do that. <-- you never gave a valid answer to this 14:23:33 <peter1138> until i get more than one complaint, it's staying were i left it 14:23:48 <Born_Acorn> Let's revert OpenTTD to 0.1.0, since I don't like all the changes! 14:23:50 <jez9999> bjarni: i answered with 3 quotes from Darkvater 14:24:00 <jez9999> i could dredge up more complaints about your commits but i made my point 14:24:12 <Bjarni> Darkvater is pissed right now because his OS is broken 14:24:12 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: you don't like newsounds :( 14:24:36 <jez9999> peter: could you at least make it so that when the main livery is changed for all vehicles (on the left), the secondary livery on the right changes with it? 14:24:39 * peter1138 reverts Born_Acorn's waypoints 14:24:46 <peter1138> no 14:24:51 <peter1138> because that would totally defeat the point 14:24:54 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: we can't. It's on the old svn server (lost), so we can't use svn revert 14:25:08 <Born_Acorn> Damn! My dreams are ruined! 14:25:08 <jez9999> peter: basically It'd be nice to get a way to have the old functionality even if it's not the same interface, where you can just say "I want to be red" and ALL the livery changes to red 14:25:16 <Born_Acorn> What-ever would I do! 14:25:25 <jez9999> i dont want to change several different settings to get one colou8r 14:25:30 <Born_Acorn> You don't. 14:25:34 <Born_Acorn> You change two. 14:25:51 <peter1138> or one if you've set the patch option 14:25:52 <jez9999> more than one 14:26:02 <jez9999> what patch option? 14:26:26 <glx> the 'don't show the livery' patch 14:26:41 <jez9999> it still shows the player's own livery 14:26:57 <glx> not if you set it properly 14:26:58 <Bjarni> bbl and when I return, I presume that jez9999 got a valid explanation for his statement and not just quoting somebody else without knowing if it's right or not 14:27:13 <Born_Acorn> You must be taking the piss now. Do you even play OpenTTD? 14:27:23 <jez9999> umm... 14:27:52 <jez9999> no, i wrote the face patch by visualising what the source would look like when compiled 14:27:57 <glx> set it to none and you just need to change the global primary color 14:28:14 <jez9999> glx: is that reflected in the interface? 14:28:20 <jez9999> ie. secondary livery and vehicle livery greyed out? 14:28:32 <jez9999> im not at a machine right now with openttd on 14:28:32 <Neonox> Tron: ping 14:28:53 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-167-207.vodafone-net.de] has left #openttd [Leaving] 14:29:31 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-167-207.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 14:29:35 *** jez9999 [lsmq8pg96d@66.45.41.59] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC] 14:29:50 *** jez9999 [shylst3hwu@66.45.41.59] has joined #openttd 14:30:11 <jez9999> Actually maybe if that patch option is enabled it would be more intuative to display the old livery dialog instead 14:32:59 <jez9999> HaMiX peter1138 pv2b Wolfenstiejn guru3 DC-1 GoneWacko +michi_cc eleusis fusey yanek dfox egladil KUDr SpComb SimonRC blathijs Noldo Kalpa Rubidium qfh[15:29] *** @Darkvater Empero nfc eQualizer edeca Kjetil A1win KUDr_wrk izhirahider ln- valhallasw Triffid_Hunter Naksu CIA-2 luckz[15:30] *** Channel created on Sat Aug 12 08:48:36 2006If all livery is decided by one value, the old dialog would be quite appropriate as that was the old behaviour 14:33:04 <hylje> ! 14:33:05 <jez9999> ugh 14:33:15 <jez9999> If all livery is decided by one value, the old dialog would be quite appropriate as that was the old behaviour 14:33:32 <Kalpa> Uhh 14:34:37 <glx> jez9999: the patch settings is just used to decide how to show livrery on vehicles in YOUR openttd client, other players may still use complex livery scheme 14:34:43 <eQualizer> ? 14:34:57 <SpComb> copy-paste errors :P 14:35:06 <Born_Acorn> glx, many do, while one doesn't. 14:35:17 <jez9999> glx: sure, but when you're choosing livery under that patch setting, only the primary colour matters. 14:35:35 <jez9999> It would be a good idea to reflect that fact in the interface, and only offer one colour selector 14:36:15 <peter1138> well, primary and secondary colour always apply 14:36:20 <peter1138> so... 14:36:25 <luckz> wtf. 14:36:49 <peter1138> just need a patch to disable the options when it's turned off. 14:36:58 <peter1138> hmm? 14:37:16 <jez9999> peter: hmm, wouldn't it be better to have no secondary colour either? 14:37:22 <peter1138> why? 14:37:29 <jez9999> you're trying to emulate the old behaviour, there was no secondary colour before 14:37:50 <jez9999> i like my vehicles all one colour 14:37:55 <peter1138> i could put it back to the old behaviour where the secondary colour was always green? 14:38:11 <jez9999> what's the secondary colour used for anyway 14:38:34 <jez9999> i thought it was trims 14:39:07 <peter1138> whatever the artist desires 14:39:17 <jez9999> is it used at all in the default graphics? 14:39:19 <peter1138> no 14:39:29 <glx> only the primary 14:39:35 <jez9999> well I suggest a good idea would be to make it the same as the primary colour 14:39:42 <jez9999> if that patch is enabled 14:39:51 <jez9999> s/patch/setting/ 14:39:55 <peter1138> there isn't a disable 2cc setting 14:40:22 <jez9999> what's the setting you were referring to then? 14:40:38 <hylje> 2 company colors 14:41:24 <jez9999> no i mean the setting that would cause the vehicle livery options to be disabled 14:41:25 <peter1138> colour schemes 14:41:43 <jez9999> right, i'd say having a separate 2cc from the primary colour is part of a colour scheme 14:41:51 <jez9999> disabling it should really make the 2 identical 14:42:19 <peter1138> Show company liveries: None, Own company, All companies 14:42:38 <peter1138> well it doesn't 14:42:42 <glx> the setting doesn't disable the livery options, it just doesn't show it on vehicles 14:43:00 <peter1138> 1) if you want them identical, it's not hard to set it 14:43:10 <jez9999> if you select none, your own company's vehicle colours should all equal the main colour and the interface should reflect it 14:43:18 <peter1138> 2) you don't appear to use sets that use it anyway 14:43:26 <jez9999> i do 14:43:32 <peter1138> they all equal the main livery 14:43:38 <peter1138> the main colour scheme 14:43:39 <peter1138> whatever 14:43:41 <jez9999> not the secondary colour, apparently 14:43:58 <peter1138> so 14:44:16 <peter1138> Show company liveries: None at all (jez setting), None, Own company, All companies 14:44:33 <jez9999> none == none at all, really 14:44:39 <peter1138> no, it doesn't 14:44:52 <jez9999> secondary and primary is a livery, as you're choosing more than 1 colour for your vehicles 14:44:58 <jez9999> do you disagree? 14:45:08 <jez9999> or, a 'custom livery' 14:45:16 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D6A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45:20 <peter1138> even a single colour is a livery 14:45:29 <jez9999> yes, a 'custom livery' then 14:45:33 <eleusis> o_O 14:45:42 <jez9999> which is what that setting really means, show custom liveries 14:45:51 <peter1138> i wrote the setting 14:45:53 <peter1138> i know what it means 14:46:01 <jez9999> doesnt it mean that? 14:46:11 <peter1138> i'm not changing it just because you misinterpret it 14:47:15 <jez9999> so, it means don't show custom company vehicle liveries, but always display primary liveries 14:47:19 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-167-207.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:47:30 <glx> yes 14:47:33 <jez9999> ie. primary _and_ secondary 14:47:39 <glx> only primary 14:48:00 <peter1138> primary and secondary colours of the default livery 14:48:00 <glx> none -> only primary for all 14:48:06 <jez9999> so if you set secondary to a different colour it will still display as primary colour 14:48:23 <jez9999> glx: are you sure about that, i thought i read something different before 14:48:42 <jez9999> <peter1138> well, primary and secondary colour always apply 14:49:36 <jez9999> see having primary for all would make more sense IMHO but it seems it doesnt do that 14:50:07 <jez9999> so presumably trimmings etc will still be in whatever colour is selected even if it's not the primary colour 14:50:19 <glx> jez9999: right, primary and secondary global are always shown 14:50:26 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:05 <jez9999> and, the player having selected 'none' for liveries, you think it makes more sense to allow two separate colours to be selected rather than just one? 14:52:24 <jez9999> just wanna get this fact clear... 14:54:49 <jez9999> I'm not saying you have to disable 2cc, just automatically set its colour to the same colour as the primary one 14:55:33 <glx> are you too lazy to set it by yourself ? 14:56:01 <jez9999> no, but i have a very logical brain and it seems redundant and i dont like redundancy :-) 14:57:05 <jez9999> well, unnecessary redundancy 14:59:17 <jez9999> peter: I think you should consider doing that if 'show company liveries' is set to None 14:59:30 <jez9999> It'd make more sense 14:59:34 <jez9999> I'm off, bye 14:59:40 *** jez9999 [shylst3hwu@66.45.41.59] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC] 15:03:57 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:22 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 15:05:55 *** Sionide is now known as spag_nazi 15:06:14 *** spag_nazi is now known as Sionide 15:07:43 <CIA-2> peter1138 * r6654 /trunk/ (newgrf.c newgrf.h player_gui.c): - Codechange: If no 2cc vehicles are available, hide the secondary colour choice. 15:08:27 <peter1138> whoops, he didn't vet that one ;p 15:10:26 <Belugas> you are WAY too kind for the poor soul 15:10:29 <peter1138> i am 15:10:33 <peter1138> far too kind 15:14:21 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-167-207.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 15:18:13 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-167-207.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18:18 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:19:16 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 15:22:24 <Bjarni> back 15:22:35 <Bjarni> oh he left 15:22:49 <Bjarni> did he ever give a good reason why he questioned my coding skills? 15:22:57 <glx> no :) 15:23:26 <Bjarni> how do I cache a kick, so it happens when he return? 15:24:07 <Born_Acorn> Just ban the hostname. 15:24:25 <glx> he change it everytime he connect 15:24:35 <Born_Acorn> aww. 15:24:48 <Born_Acorn> /mode +b jez 15:25:00 <Born_Acorn> or jez9999 15:25:11 <Bjarni> it's funny that he had nothing to say when I told him to give a reason of his own instead of just quoting other people without knowing if they told the truth or not :) 15:25:30 <peter1138> Bjarni: i question your coding skills, but i'm allowed to ;) 15:25:50 <Bjarni> ... 15:26:07 <Bjarni> sometimes there is a line, that could have been written differently, but... 15:26:15 <Bjarni> generally my stuff works 15:26:51 <Bjarni> and the coding style is nice as well 15:27:56 <Bjarni> but the fact is that he had nothing to say when he had to speak for himself, which made him somewhat untrustworthy. He had no idea if the guy he mirrored got it right 15:31:55 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-167-207.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 15:33:28 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-165-107.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:34:56 <peter1138> sacrolige 15:35:57 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6EFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:36:31 <Sacro> peter1138 15:36:51 <Born_Acorn> Orcas! 15:37:01 <Born_Acorn> sacro bleu! 15:37:07 <Sacro> nrocA_nroB! 15:38:35 <Born_Acorn> err. 15:38:35 <Born_Acorn> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=27753 15:38:57 <Bjarni> ... 15:39:04 * Sacro opens firefox 15:39:23 * Bjarni wonders if he should move it to off topic 15:39:41 * DaleStan thinks that it should be moved. 15:40:06 * Sacro this he should be shot 15:40:09 <Sacro> *thinks 15:40:14 * peter1138 shoots Sacro 15:40:22 <Sacro> :o i didnt mean that 15:40:34 <Sacro> i meant he as in the italian 15:40:49 <Sacro> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=27748 15:41:00 <peter1138> oh 15:41:21 <peter1138> i can split topics 15:41:28 <peter1138> but not join them 15:41:36 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D6A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:41:39 <Sacro> ahh, thats what is needed, mergification 15:41:45 <DaleStan> <Sacro> i meant he as in the italian <-- I would have referred to the Italian as an "it". 15:42:27 <Sacro> DaleStan: hmm, its a plausable idea 15:44:09 *** TinoDidri [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 15:44:10 <Sacro> ttdrussia makes interesting reading 15:44:10 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:12 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 15:47:11 <peter1138> it does? 15:48:18 <Sacro> yes... i dont understand a word 15:49:30 <peter1138> oh, new cs rail set :D 15:49:43 <peter1138> aww, preview :( 15:50:14 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 15:50:54 <peter1138> the dodgy bridge heads fixed :D 15:51:24 <Sacro> cs rail set? 15:51:57 <peter1138> yeah 15:52:07 <peter1138> bah, closed the window now 15:52:15 <Sacro> chris sawyer? 15:52:23 <peter1138> no 15:52:36 <Sacro> oh 16:02:15 *** _smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: You have the urge to do some accounting...] 16:03:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:07:41 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D6A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:16:13 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust493.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:19:09 <eleusis> cs rail set? 16:21:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> what exactly is a cs rail? 16:21:46 <Brianetta> a rail that strikes back 16:22:21 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 16:23:29 <eleusis> :D 16:24:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host14-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:25:18 *** Rens2EveOnline is now known as Rens2Sea 16:25:56 *** jonty-comp [jonty@88-107-63-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:26:31 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust493.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:28:10 <Wolf01> hi 16:34:14 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-167-207.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:03:43 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:25 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-167-207.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 17:12:11 *** neglesaks [~Darius@83.73.66.246.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 17:23:41 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:25:37 <neglesaks> Bjarni 17:31:22 <peter1138> hmm 17:50:05 <peter1138> Darkvater: what's the point of SlCalcNetStringLen() ? 17:50:14 <peter1138> clearly it doesn't work in saveload descs 17:51:28 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 17:52:46 *** Gorre [dik@ip-89-102-198-103.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 17:52:50 <Gorre> vrum vrum 17:55:09 <Sacro> :o PASSENGER DESTINATIONS 17:55:21 <peter1138> what about them? 17:55:34 <peter1138> has prissi done it? heh 17:56:36 <eleusis> passenger destinations? 17:56:39 <Sacro> peter1138: yes¬ 17:56:41 <Sacro> ! 17:57:03 <eleusis> what is it? 17:57:12 <peter1138> destinations for passengers 17:57:36 <eleusis> ... 17:57:48 *** jonty-comp [jonty@88-107-63-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:58:08 <eleusis> as in, passengers can decide to transfer from service to service towards their destination? 17:58:59 <Sacro> eleusis: yeah 17:59:10 <eleusis> hm 17:59:17 <eleusis> simutrans has had that for a while, i think.. 17:59:30 <Sacro> aaaaaaaages 17:59:36 <Sacro> isnt prissi a simutrans dev? 18:00:05 <hylje> passenger destinations will make management harder 18:00:08 <ln-> who the hell is prissi? 18:00:13 <eleusis> :) 18:00:18 <hylje> because you just cant dump the people to a smal town 18:00:28 <eleusis> makes it more interesting, imo 18:00:48 <peter1138> ln-: a simutrans dev 18:01:04 <peter1138> makes building a passenger network more rewarding 18:01:13 <Born_Acorn> Peter from Petersborough! 18:01:15 <Born_Acorn> How plain. 18:01:25 <peter1138> Born_Acorn from Born_Acornsborough 18:01:26 <hylje> peter1138: rewarding? is more monies involved? 18:01:37 <peter1138> hylje: depends 18:01:59 <peter1138> but you can have a line that stops off at many stations, and you don't just get the small profit from each leg of the journey 18:02:05 <peter1138> because passengers can stay on 18:02:09 <eleusis> do you get more money by making them jump from hub to hub, rather than have them on long haul trips? :P 18:02:27 <eleusis> :) 18:02:52 <peter1138> it makes local and express services worth having 18:03:05 <eleusis> i used to get heavily crowded docks in simutrans with this.. buses and trains keep dumping passengers on the docks, but ferries are too slow to move them about :D 18:03:21 <hylje> slow ferries are slooow 18:03:51 <eleusis> and simutrans doesn't have planes.. 18:04:21 <hylje> snakes 18:04:40 <eleusis> heh 18:05:00 <Born_Acorn> oooooooh elongated vowels. 18:05:11 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: you should see a doctor 18:05:30 <Born_Acorn> Doctors are against my religion. 18:05:33 <Born_Acorn> Sacro has offended me 18:05:39 <Born_Acorn> and my entire religion 18:05:41 <eleusis> see a priest, then 18:05:53 <Born_Acorn> Preists are against my religion. 18:05:58 <Born_Acorn> eleusis has offended me 18:06:02 <Born_Acorn> and my entire religion 18:06:09 <eleusis> THEN YOU MUST DIE 18:06:32 <Born_Acorn> Dying, "must" and the word then are all against my religion. 18:06:34 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2EveOnline 18:06:41 <eleusis> or, the sacrifice of an exotic and rare animal will do 18:06:54 <Born_Acorn> Everything is against my religion. 18:06:59 <Born_Acorn> Unless it's free cash. 18:07:09 <Born_Acorn> In fact, it's against my religion to not give me money 18:07:11 <eleusis> is changing religion against your religion? :P 18:07:44 <hylje> dynamic religion 18:09:42 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-7542.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 18:10:06 <Sacro> + 18:15:29 <Sacro> oh wow...it actualyl works! 18:15:53 <eleusis> the destinations stuff? 18:16:15 *** Mucht [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 18:16:35 <hylje> :o? 18:16:54 <Sacro> i actually have a traingle of bus routes 18:16:58 <Sacro> and people waiting for the right one 18:17:18 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 18:17:18 <eleusis> where do i get the patch from? 18:17:19 <hylje> interesting 18:17:30 <Sacro> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/destinations_133.diff 18:17:44 <eleusis> pro 18:17:46 <eleusis> what's it against? 18:18:15 <Born_Acorn> r133 18:18:16 <hylje> 6638 18:18:23 <Born_Acorn> (He's been working on it for years) 18:18:41 * Born_Acorn jets 18:18:46 <Born_Acorn> *jests 18:18:46 <eleusis> k 18:24:42 <Sacro> OMG :| 18:24:57 <Sacro> i have people going from airport -> plane -> airport -> bus -> village 18:25:47 <eleusis> :D 18:27:27 <Sacro> now to get devs interested 18:27:34 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: dev motivation needed :p 18:27:44 <eleusis> against his religion :P 18:27:50 <hylje> r u srs? 18:28:11 <Sacro> hylje: ya aim 18:28:19 <Sacro> errm... iam :p 18:35:15 <CIA-2> miham * r6655 /trunk/lang/ (dutch.txt german.txt italian.txt unfinished/ukrainian.txt): 18:35:15 <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-10-05 20:34:35 18:35:15 <CIA-2> dutch - 3 fixed, 2 changed by habell (5) 18:35:15 <CIA-2> german - 3 fixed, 2 changed by Neonox (5) 18:35:15 <CIA-2> italian - 3 fixed by sidew (3) 18:35:16 <CIA-2> ukrainian - 17 fixed, 2 changed by znikoz (19) 18:40:42 <Born_Acorn> Sacro, yessir 18:40:52 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! Passenger Destinations! 18:42:32 <Sacro> it begins... :p 18:43:34 <peter1138> hah 18:43:39 <peter1138> i'm doing grf saveload 18:43:42 <peter1138> let me finish ;p 18:44:14 <Sacro> ooh, that sounds...different 18:44:53 <Born_Acorn> Sacro, we keep delaying it by suggesting new things. :p 18:45:03 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! newporpoises! 18:45:40 <Wolf01> i want magic bridges... or at least one way roads+custom bridgeheads 18:45:49 <peter1138> heh 18:45:57 <peter1138> i remember when i wrote custom bridgeheads 18:45:59 <peter1138> so long ago 18:46:36 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! Custom bridgeheads! 18:46:49 <Born_Acorn> I want to pimp my bridgeheads with fluffy dice! 18:47:15 <hylje> wunderbaum 18:47:18 <Wolf01> i have in my mind some nice layouts possible only with custom bridgeheads 18:47:32 <hylje> Wolf01: such as? 18:48:02 <Wolf01> too long to write 18:48:36 <hylje> what custom bridgeheads delivers exactly 18:49:00 <peter1138> compact bridges 18:49:19 <Born_Acorn> Ooh 18:49:22 <Born_Acorn> Ooh, I have a screen 18:49:23 <peter1138> you can have any rail or road piece on the edge of a bridge 18:49:24 <Wolf01> the ability to have curves and junctions on horizontal bridgeheads 18:49:41 *** neglesaks [~Darius@83.73.66.246.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: Seeya... I'm gonna go napalm some poodles now....] 18:49:59 <Born_Acorn> http://www.tt-forums.net/files/sactest102_152.png <-- The end of the bridge. 18:50:57 <peter1138> heh, it has pbs support in it 18:50:59 <peter1138> (my old patch) 18:51:22 <hylje> power lines? GIEF 18:51:29 <Wolf01> so why not put it in miniin? 18:51:41 <Born_Acorn> Just Transmitter replacements, hylje 18:51:46 <peter1138> that's up to richk 18:52:14 <Wolf01> uhm, i have an idea about those power lines.. but will require that i finish my eyecandy patch 18:52:20 <Sacro> WTF :\ 18:52:34 <Born_Acorn> Wheres The Fun? 18:52:47 <Born_Acorn> Who's The Fonz? 18:52:57 <Wolf01> (the ability to replace the purchase land sign with everything i want) 18:52:58 <Born_Acorn> Why The Friday? 18:53:09 <Sacro> just got a text - "Strange is an illusion. The waffles are but existensial constructs of a deliberate hypochondriac" 18:53:17 <Wolf01> why the dentist tomorrow? 18:53:33 <Born_Acorn> In mammals, an elegant rete mirabile in the efferent arterioles of juxtamedullary glomeruli is important in maintaining the hypertonicity of the inner zone of the renal medulla. 18:53:46 <Sacro> Wolf01: thats not WTF... 18:54:01 <Born_Acorn> That's WTDT 18:54:06 <Born_Acorn> You lie! 18:56:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> <hylje> wunderbaum <- what exactly is that? 18:56:36 <hylje> a scent tree 18:56:57 *** mikk36[EST] [mikk36@pc85.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> ah :) 18:57:33 <hylje> usually placed on the mirror in cars 18:57:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> i could imagine at least a dozen things with this name ;) 18:57:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, i know those 18:57:55 <hylje> around here wunderbaums are solely those scent trees 18:58:32 <Sacro> mm, i love the smell of them 18:59:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> well... it would translate to "miracle tree", which really could be anything 19:00:29 <CIA-2> glx * r6656 /trunk/player_gui.c: -Fix r6631: keep gender button lowered when clicking on 'New Face' 19:01:48 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:09 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/files/scr11_167.png >_> industries on slopes 19:03:29 <hylje> :o 19:03:43 <hylje> that ought to be staged 19:03:53 <hylje> a dynamic thing like that would be pretty hard 19:04:52 *** mikk36 [mikk36@pc85.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:05:13 <Born_Acorn> With UKRSI, it happens with normal forrests too. 19:05:21 <Born_Acorn> They get builded on slopes! 19:06:13 <Wolf01> it may require the new map array 19:06:41 <hylje> :o 19:07:14 <Born_Acorn> The new map array is out, adding bytes to the current one is in. :p 19:07:28 <Wolf01> :) 19:08:15 <Wolf01> add some mb, so we have space to add what we want... don't matter if a savegame will become of 50MB :P 19:09:42 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 19:10:07 <Sacro> Wolf01: network games? 19:10:23 <lws1984> Sacro! 19:10:35 <Born_Acorn> Sacroledge! 19:10:38 <Born_Acorn> Sacro Bleu! 19:10:45 <Born_Acorn> orcaS! 19:11:06 <Sacro> nrocA_nroB¡ 19:11:30 <Born_Acorn> It doesn't work like Orcas. 19:11:39 <Born_Acorn> Since Orcas are big fat whales. 19:11:52 <Born_Acorn> Like the Belugas 19:12:02 <Sacro> which is also a plane 19:12:08 <Born_Acorn> Indeed. 19:12:55 <Born_Acorn> -0 19:13:06 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:13:11 <hylje> on a snake 19:14:21 <Sacro> :o 19:15:53 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-165-107.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:18:21 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-175-121.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:19:08 <peter1138> planes on a snake? 19:19:19 <hylje> yes 19:19:28 <peter1138> common problem 19:19:35 <hylje> works as intended 19:19:53 <Belugas> Belugas are white, Orcas black and white 19:19:54 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-137-68-253.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:20:46 <Sacro> Orcas are amazing 19:20:57 <hylje> ORCA Bomber 19:27:52 <Wolf01> hylje, see this custom bridgehead: http://www.tt-forums.net/files/schoenenberg_viadukt_122.png 19:28:23 <Sacro> thats not a custom one is it? 19:28:44 <Serriaromeo> I like that one 19:29:10 <Serriaromeo> that would be great early in the game when money is tight 19:30:02 <hylje> Wolf01: :O whoa 19:30:36 <Wolf01> i found a cool layout once 19:31:05 <Wolf01> i'm trying to find it... but i take a while to load the images: 15 minutes per page 19:31:17 <hylje> :o 19:36:38 <Wolf01> WTF! the ttdconfigurator updated itself when the dl was 19%... now is broken 19:36:54 <hylje> :o 19:37:22 <Wolf01> why it have a timeout instead of wait until the dl is finished? 19:43:54 <Serriaromeo> man trucks suck as a basis for a network 19:44:14 <hylje> yes 19:44:20 <hylje> they need some pinpin' 19:47:18 <Sacro> heh, pimp my ottd 19:47:29 <hylje> add more plasma screens 19:48:44 <Serriaromeo> when does the livery colors take effect? 19:49:09 <Born_Acorn> When the empty box to apply the colours. 19:49:17 <Born_Acorn> s/when/Tick 19:50:05 <Born_Acorn> So, click on the empty box to the right of the left of the name. 19:50:08 <Serriaromeo> ok, i see now, i like it, makes determing what each is a lot easier, thanks 19:50:37 <Born_Acorn> No problem. 19:50:55 *** Mucht|zZz [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: I'll be back!] 19:53:53 <peter1138> to the right of the left 19:53:54 <peter1138> ? 19:54:02 <hylje> middle 19:54:14 <hylje> i have a quantum junction 19:54:27 <Sacro> you can go both ways/ 19:54:36 <hylje> you are expected to go to both directions 19:56:17 <blathijs> But never look out the window 19:56:43 <hylje> or steer the vehicle 19:59:06 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a65.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:01:37 <Born_Acorn> (20:54:26) <Sacro> you can go both ways <-- So, that's your outlook on life, is it? *Posts Sacro's address to a prison shower room* 20:01:43 <Born_Acorn> Mwahahaha. 20:03:11 <Sacro> :o 20:06:11 <eleusis> that's against my religion 20:06:23 <Born_Acorn> Religions are against my religion. 20:06:26 <Born_Acorn> >:( 20:06:29 <eleusis> >:P 20:06:37 <Born_Acorn> :p 20:06:54 <hylje> Born_Acorn: recursive conflict?! 20:09:21 <hylje> let me guess, recursion is against your religion 20:09:48 <Serriaromeo> questioning my religion is against my religion 20:10:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> maths is the only thing that you can prove that it is a religion 20:11:40 <hylje> divide by zero 20:11:50 <Serriaromeo> lol, have 5 707's for transporting passengers across town 20:11:58 <hylje> ha 20:12:07 <hylje> pretty pointless 20:12:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> so, i heard something about passenger destinations... 20:12:38 <Serriaromeo> this map is pointless, but i figured if i was going to do trucks, might as well do planes also. 20:13:12 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176122166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:13:33 <Serriaromeo> i guess the planes are for when you really have to get across town now :-) 20:13:48 <hylje> :-) 20:13:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'm assuming that breaks savegame compatibility 20:15:51 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176126067.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> gah... i miss the overview i had with tortoisesvn 20:27:19 *** Gorre [dik@ip-89-102-198-103.karneval.cz] has quit [Quit: Glory be to Thee, O Gorre! <k!15b8>] 20:28:28 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause3, why "miss" ? 20:28:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> because i don't have tortoisesvn anymore? 20:32:50 <peter1138> hmm 20:34:29 <Belugas> and why is that, Eddi|zuHause3? you've desinstalled it in favor of svn? 20:34:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, i switched to linux 20:34:47 <Belugas> Hoo... :) 20:34:55 <Belugas> Poor you ;) 20:37:04 <Sacro> lnux ftw 20:37:44 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-7542.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: buy bye] 20:37:55 <hylje> Belugas: tortoise depends on svn 20:38:02 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D6A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:38:17 <glx> hylje: no tortoise implements it's own svn 20:38:20 <Belugas> not true... tortoise implements same protocole as svn 20:41:13 <hylje> k 20:41:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> ugh... that passenger destination thing needs a scrollbar in the station window 20:43:15 <Sacro> yeah it does 20:43:18 <Serriaromeo> hmm, i think i found another minor bug, seems the planes can be caught in a loop trying to autorenew when there isnt enough money 20:44:40 <Sacro> Bjarni isnt here :S 20:44:43 <Sacro> !seen Bjarni 20:44:44 <_42_> Sacro, Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x50c79a65.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd 45 minutes ago (05.10. 19:59) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 12 hours 25 minutes there. 20:44:52 <hylje> quitter. 20:45:40 <Sacro> yup 20:53:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> and it does not tell which passenger is going where... 20:53:42 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 20:53:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> so i have no way of verifying that they actually do... 20:53:58 <Belugas_Gone> byebye 21:00:59 <mikk36> hey :) 21:00:59 <mikk36> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MorR04iLtMw 21:00:59 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387EEDD.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:00:59 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-175-121.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:31 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 21:09:31 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:09:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host14-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 21:09:31 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6EFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:54 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 21:13:08 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-175-121.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:13:36 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:17:42 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 21:21:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 21:44:52 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 22:03:29 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:05:10 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a65.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:05:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 22:05:54 <Sacro> :o 22:06:23 <Sacro> Bjarni! 22:08:28 <Bjarni> Sacro: you sound like a child doing something you were not supposed to do and just got detected 22:09:04 <Sacro> err... it has been known 22:11:06 *** Rens2EveOnline [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 22:12:26 <Sacro> Bjarni: commit passenger destinations :p 22:13:24 <Bjarni> hmmm 22:13:36 <Bjarni> I see one issue in that action 22:13:41 <Bjarni> I lack the code 22:13:47 <Sacro> err ... 22:14:29 <Nigel> haha 22:14:31 <Sacro> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/destinations_133.diff 22:14:55 <Serriaromeo> !seen serriaromeo 22:14:57 <_42_> Serriaromeo, you know that the length of nicks is limited, don't you? 22:15:20 <Bjarni> Serriaromeo: known bug 22:15:27 <Sacro> !seen S* 22:15:27 <_42_> Sacro, I found 80 matches to your query. These are the 5 most recent ones: Sacro, SpComb, Sionide, Sietse, Serriaromeo. Sacro (~ben@adsl-83-100-175-121.karoo.KCOM.COM) was last seen joining #openttd 1 hour 2 minutes ago (05.10. 21:13). Sacro is still there. 22:15:33 <Sacro> :o 22:15:33 <Serriaromeo> figured as much 22:15:35 <Sacro> it found me! 22:15:36 <SpComb> :o 22:15:36 <Bjarni> the bot got a lower limit for nicks than IRC itself 22:15:38 <SpComb> hilight'd! 22:16:32 <Sacro> SpComb! 22:16:42 <Bjarni> Sacro: that diff is not even following the coding standard 22:16:45 <Bjarni> who coded it? 22:16:52 <peter1138> nini 22:17:23 <Sacro> Bjarni: prissi 22:17:36 <ln-> who the hell is prissi? 22:18:00 *** SpBot [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 22:18:04 <Sacro> ln-: he's more of a simutrans dev 22:18:07 <Sacro> SpBot! 22:18:09 <SpComb> since everyone else has their bot in here :P 22:18:36 <Sacro> heh, its only a fiver more from Athlon 64 -> X2 22:18:50 <SpComb> SpBot doesn't do anything though - yet 22:19:03 <Sacro> !part #openttd 22:19:03 <SpBot> You are not an admin 22:19:08 <Sacro> aww :( 22:19:14 <SpComb> !part #openttd Sod you, I'm off to the pub 22:19:14 *** SpBot [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has left #openttd [] 22:19:18 <SpComb> hmm 22:19:40 <SpComb> currently he can mainly connect/disconnect to/from networks and join/part channels 22:20:15 <SpComb> and track users and topics on channels 22:20:53 <SpComb> once I tune it all up to work nicely (and not error out on every syntax error that I happen to have in my code), I'll make it do stuff 22:21:54 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D6A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:25 <Bjarni> Sacro: where is that diff posted? 22:25:03 <Sacro> Bjarni: here -> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/destinations_133.diff 22:25:05 <Sacro> :p 22:25:52 <ln-> where are its implications described? 22:26:09 <Sacro> ooh... 22:26:19 <Sacro> OpenTTD Development 22:26:21 <Sacro> 2nd post down 22:29:22 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37F58.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 22:35:46 <ln-> ok, it seems absolutely cool. 22:36:02 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:36:36 * lolman is getting annoyed with his inability to join these files 22:36:37 <lolman> lol 22:36:40 <Bjarni> I think we need cargo packages before adding anything like this 22:37:44 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37F58.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:38:21 <Sacro> lolman: which files? 22:38:30 <ln-> who is this "Darkvater" on the forum who says he would accept the patch?? 22:38:32 <Sacro> Bjarni: hmm... but nobody is working on that 22:38:40 <lolman> Sacro: sitx.<insert number here> 22:38:41 <ln-> can't be the one hanging out here. 22:38:49 <Sacro> ln-: the one on the right? 3rd down? 22:39:02 <Sacro> lolman: eh? 22:39:09 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:39:18 <lolman> Sacro: *.sitx.001, *.sitx.002 etc 22:39:34 <Sacro> lolman: looks like rars top me 22:39:36 <Sacro> *to 22:39:37 <lolman> Nope 22:39:41 <lolman> Tried that 22:39:56 <Sacro> hexedit and look at the first few bytes 22:40:23 * lolman looks for a hex editor 22:41:48 <lolman> Oh FFS 22:42:20 <lolman> first file hadn't downloaded right :@ 22:43:04 * lolman resorts to bittorrent to get OSX 22:43:05 <lolman> :P 22:43:16 <Sacro> haha 22:43:23 <Sacro> OSX86? 22:43:44 <lolman> Yeah 22:44:00 <Sacro> i have that 22:44:03 <Sacro> 10.4.7 22:44:10 <lolman> Yeah, but I've moved house :P 22:45:20 <lolman> I'm sure I can wait 4 days :P 22:45:48 <lolman> (BitTorrent being rubbish, as usual) 22:45:51 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:26 *** mikk36 [mikk36@pc85.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run as I ran over him.] 22:47:26 <Sacro> heh, jasper carrott! 22:47:31 <lolman> Ooooh 22:47:37 <lolman> Comedic genius, that man 22:47:39 <Sacro> but it should be s/as/so/ 22:48:05 * lolman still doesn't understand that 22:48:23 <Sacro> substitue as with so 22:48:31 <lolman> aha 22:49:03 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-167-207.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 22:49:23 * lolman is hating this BitTorrent tracker 22:49:38 <lolman> Not getting higher than 25KB :-\ 22:50:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> what luxury you have :) 22:50:19 <lolman> Eddi|zuHause3, I'm on 10Mb...lol 22:50:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> see... 22:50:47 <lolman> 25KB is pathetic :P 22:51:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's more than my 5.2 that i currently have 22:51:23 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: did you notice that I fixed the issue in autoreplace that you pointed out? 22:51:26 <lolman> If I was downloading at full speed I could have this down in about 40 minutes... 22:51:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, i read that :) 22:51:36 <lolman> Eddi|zuHause3, ouch 22:52:02 <Bjarni> it turned out to be somewhat easy to code 22:52:23 <Bjarni> the issue was more like to make sure that I always repaid the "loan" 22:52:34 *** mikk36 [mikk36@pc44.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 22:52:36 <Bjarni> ensuring that there was no way at all to avoid it and that it would only happen once 22:53:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, that is kinda the problem of multiple exit points ;) 22:53:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> maintaining a proper post-condition 22:53:25 <ln-> Apple's description of Xcode 3's debugger: "Delight in a debugger so groundbreaking, you'll make mistakes just to see it in action. " 22:53:47 <lolman> LOL 22:53:53 <Bjarni> nice 22:54:05 <Bjarni> but 22:54:26 <Bjarni> I plan not to need it in action, though it can be tricky to completely avoid it 22:54:43 <lolman> Uploading faster that downloading...*sigh* 22:54:52 <lolman> than* 22:55:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> that would be hard to happen to me... 22:56:46 <lolman> lmao 22:58:14 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 22:58:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, really... my upload is pretty stable between 4,8 and 5,0 while my download jumps around between 5 and 45, averaging out at around 10-12 22:58:32 <lolman> I still don't fully understand bittorrent lol 22:58:42 <lolman> Eddi|zuHause3, ooerr 22:59:18 <lolman> My max upload is 60K, max download is 1200K-ish 22:59:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> with 4,8 i mean 4.8, of course... 22:59:58 <lolman> Eddi|zuHause3, yeah 23:00:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> my max upload is like 8, but i set the maximum to 5, to avoid problems 23:00:15 <lolman> I know how you Europeans use decimal points 23:00:18 <lolman> :P 23:00:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> we don't use decimal points... 23:00:46 <lolman> You know what I mean :P 23:02:12 <lolman> Overall download atm is 100k, with a Linux distro on the go at about 75k 23:02:20 <lolman> :-\ 23:02:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> i never have 2 torrents running simultaneously 23:02:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> gives worse results than having them one at a time 23:02:59 <lolman> I normally have to have to make it worthwile... 23:03:02 <glx> lolman: your download depends on other upload 23:03:24 <lolman> glx, it's upping at about 40 23:03:25 <glx> and the more seeder, the faster you download 23:03:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> more often than not, the added download of 2 torrents simultaneously is less than the download of one at a time 23:03:49 <glx> what is leech/seed ratio ? 23:04:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> lolman: you rarely get above the average speed of the swarm 23:04:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> no matter what your upload is 23:04:31 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:50 <lolman> glx, 0.652 23:05:14 <glx> that could explain it :) 23:05:27 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-137-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:05:46 <lolman> It's heading up tho :P 23:05:52 *** Nigel_ is now known as Nigel 23:06:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> torrents tend to run faster if you are not watching them ;) 23:06:33 <lolman> Eddi|zuHause3, lol 23:09:38 * lolman hates being a n00b with something lol 23:10:40 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-137-68-253.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: good night] 23:10:47 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-145-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:01 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6657 /trunk/depot_gui.c: -Change: [depot window] sell all vehicles in depot confirm window now opens on top of depot window instead of in the middle of the screen 23:11:07 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:11:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> yay! ;) 23:11:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> that bothered me the one time i used that button ;) 23:12:09 <Bjarni> I needed to figure out how to do it first ;) 23:12:12 <Sacro> me too :p 23:12:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> while you are at moving windows, could you make the station/depot/whatever selection window pop up below the rail/road/whatever toolbar, instead of on top of it? 23:13:14 <Bjarni> err 23:13:20 <Sacro> hmm 5400C4 or 6400C5 23:13:23 <Sacro> which will be faster... 23:14:15 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: that's somewhat tricky as I got two default locations to call, one is where they are placed now and the other one is in the middle of the screen 23:14:42 <Bjarni> it would need some custom coding to get that to work 23:15:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> err... i did not fully understand that... 23:16:22 <Bjarni> like the confirm window, I only got two locations to place it. One is the middle like you noticed 23:16:40 <Bjarni> the other one is relatively to another window like I changed it to 23:18:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, and if you click on the "build station" button, you open the station selection window relative to the current window (i.e. the rail toolbar) 23:18:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> currently, that is overlapping, but it should be changed to below the window 23:19:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> like the terraforming toolbar pops out below the rail toolbar 23:19:27 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 23:20:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> but the location of the terraforming toolbar is probably hardcoded... 23:20:39 <glx> Eddi|zuHause3: it seems so :) 23:20:54 <Sacro> :O LOLMAN 23:21:04 <Sacro> damnit he's gone >< 23:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> one could now also hardcode the locations of the station/depot/whatever windows 23:21:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> or make the system more flexible 23:22:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> btw. i'd like the rail/road/whatever toolbar to be attached to the left screen border, if the main toolbar is... 23:22:27 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:22:38 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 23:22:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> you had to do that, Sacro... 23:23:39 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 23:24:20 <CIA-2> glx * r6658 /trunk/player_gui.c: -CodeChange: cleaned up the PlayerCompanyWindow code 23:24:55 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:25:21 <Sacro> lolman: ! 23:25:24 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@p54B37F58.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 23:25:24 * lolman kicks nvidia 23:25:38 * lolman kicks them hard 23:25:39 <Sacro> lolman: OCUK will be getting the logitech g25! 23:25:45 <lolman> OMG!! =D 23:26:00 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:26:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> AAAH... bug... 23:26:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> if i hit the hotkey 'A' for autorail 23:26:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> the remove button (hotkey 'R') does not get enabled 23:26:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> r6656 23:27:37 <lolman> Stoopid nvidia power indicator!!! 23:27:45 <lolman> The thing is getting anough power ffs 23:27:47 <glx> Eddi|zuHause3: should have been fixed by r6650 :/ 23:28:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> if i click the button, it is alright 23:28:06 <lolman> You don't have to pop up 500 windows to tell me it isn't!!! >_< 23:28:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> but not by the hotkey 23:28:19 <glx> !openttd commit 6650 23:28:20 <_42_> Commit by peter1138 :: r6650 /trunk/rail_gui.c (2006-10-05 12:18:07 UTC) 23:28:22 <_42_> - Fix (r6619): Fix widget state setting of the rail toolbar when using hotkeys. 23:28:35 <glx> see it should have been fixed :) 23:28:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> the 1..5 hotkeys work 23:28:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> but not A 23:29:16 <lolman> grrrrrr 23:29:16 <glx> for what is used 'A' ? 23:29:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> autorail 23:29:26 * lolman kicks nvidia in the groin 23:29:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> same as 5 23:30:01 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> except it pops up the rail toolbar, even if you are somewhere else (this might be an unintended feature actually) 23:30:47 <lolman> There...GONE!! 23:31:07 <lws1984> lolman: 23:31:09 <lws1984> err.. 23:31:10 <lws1984> wha? 23:31:15 <lws1984> this isn't even the right channel! 23:31:16 <lws1984> sorry 23:32:22 <lolman> lws1984, apologies for my rant at nvidia, I'm just peed off at these constant windows annoying me >_< 23:33:25 <lws1984> wait.. where? 23:33:31 * lws1984 hasn't been paying attention 23:33:42 <lolman> lol 23:34:00 <lws1984> ah well, didn't even mean you anyway, 'twas a weird combination of pressing "l" and switching programs at the same time, resulting in the tab key being hit while I was here :p 23:34:00 <Sacro> so... its cheaper to actually buy the pc than buy the parts... 23:34:01 <lolman> no need to worry then ;-) 23:34:09 <lolman> lma 23:34:12 <lolman> o 23:34:32 <lws1984> laughing my ass! :p 23:34:39 <lolman> 243 processes...all but 33 are this fecking nvidia peicashite complaining at me 23:34:40 <Sacro> lya? 23:34:48 <Sacro> lolman: killall :p 23:34:57 <lolman> Winblows :( 23:35:01 <lws1984> or even ctrl-alt-del 23:35:08 <lws1984> hope you're on WinXP or 2K 23:35:18 <lolman> I am lol 23:35:37 <lws1984> ctrl-alt-del then, go to the processes tab, kill all your nvida stuffages 23:35:38 <lws1984> :D 23:36:02 <lolman> shame it spawns loadsa rundll.exe processes...lol 23:36:34 * lolman says a big FU to nvidia 23:37:30 <lolman> s/U/O 23:37:43 <lolman> :P 23:38:43 <CIA-2> glx * r6659 /trunk/rail_gui.c: -Fix r6619: Fix widget state setting of the rail toolbar when using global hotkeys. 23:39:12 <glx> thanx Eddi|zuHause3 (I forgot to credit you) 23:39:41 * Eddi|zuHause3 updatifies 23:40:06 <lolman> Hmm how sad is this, I have me PC at the end of me bed :P 23:40:18 <lws1984> hehe 23:40:42 <lolman> Just wish me USB WiFi dongle would work in Linux :( 23:42:39 <lolman> Stoopid dad I have, he just bought the first one he saw 23:42:58 <Sacro> doesnt ndiswrapper help? 23:43:08 <lolman> Nope :( 23:43:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> err... something is weird... 23:43:27 <Sacro> hmm 23:43:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have a windows share mounted as CIFS 23:44:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> and it is having trouble with non-ascii chars 23:44:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> i.e. utf-8 chars like ä, ö, ü 23:44:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> they are not displayed correctly, and if i want to save, it just fails 23:45:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> on my local reiserfs partitions it is fine... 23:45:42 <glx> windows uses a weird codepage 23:46:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> the display is also fine on my local NTFS partition 23:46:05 <glx> is your fstab correctly configured ? 23:46:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> everything is showing correctly in konqueror, but not in the saveload window 23:47:08 <glx> slap konqueror then :) 23:50:51 <Sacro> night all 23:51:08 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-175-121.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:47 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-212-170.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! 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