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00:04:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:26:59 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 00:26:59 <Born_Acorn> !logs 00:35:10 *** Zahl22 [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-252-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:35:14 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-233-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Zahl22))] 00:35:14 *** Zahl22 is now known as Zahl 00:37:59 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 01:02:03 <Serriaromeo_> it would be nice if we had an advanced vtol for later in the game. 01:12:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 01:15:22 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:18:03 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-252-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! It was you wasn't it!?] 01:19:22 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:32:49 <Irokenics> yerh vtol lol 01:33:13 <Irokenics> something with huge passenger capacity that can land on oil rigs 01:33:24 <Irokenics> wait can ferrys dock at rigs? 01:40:31 <glx> yes they can 01:55:46 *** xyz [~ss@MTL-ppp-154502.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #openttd 02:01:16 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 02:05:27 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-185-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 02:13:57 *** xyz [~ss@MTL-ppp-154502.qc.sympatico.ca] has left #openttd [] 02:16:30 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-185-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:06 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75158.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:28 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:37:32 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B777CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:39:39 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3EFF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:46:06 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F8B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:09:46 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:29:07 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 03:29:12 *** Serriaromeo_ [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:37:40 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41:16 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 05:40:07 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-185-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 06:12:37 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 06:20:26 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 06:21:55 <MeusH> hi 06:24:25 *** Mucht [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 06:25:48 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 06:38:37 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3E023.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:41:56 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:44:03 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3EFF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:49:01 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:50:23 <Irokenics> hi 06:50:54 <Irokenics> is it ever profitable to have double engine trains in the begining of the game? 06:55:06 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-185-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:56:23 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 07:00:21 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:07:35 <PandaMojo> Irokenics: Using newgrfs and/or a higher cargo weight patch modifiers, maybe 07:07:40 <PandaMojo> !seen Celestar 07:07:43 <_42_> PandaMojo, Celestar (~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de) was last seen quitting #openttd 4 weeks 3 days 19 hours 59 minutes ago (05.09. 11:08) stating "Quit: leaving" after spending 37 minutes there. 07:16:25 *** ThePizzaKing_ is now known as ThePizzaKing 07:16:33 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B36DBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:19:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host14-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:20:06 <Wolf01> hi 07:24:50 <CIA-1> miham * r6675 /trunk/lang/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 07:24:50 <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-10-07 09:24:13 07:24:50 <CIA-1> bulgarian - 17 fixed by kokobongo (17) 07:24:50 <CIA-1> norwegian - 76 fixed, 511 changed by jhsoby (587) 07:24:50 <CIA-1> slovak - 46 fixed by lengyel (46) 07:24:51 <CIA-1> spanish - 3 fixed by eusebio (3) 07:38:33 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387DB11.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:46:06 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E755.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:58:10 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 08:05:08 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:05:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:21:38 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 08:24:15 <CIA-1> bjarni * r6676 /trunk/ (depot_gui.c vehicle.c vehicle_gui.c): -Fix: [vehicle list windows] mass start/stop now works correctly in shared orders and station lists 08:39:37 <CIA-1> bjarni * r6677 /trunk/depot_gui.c: 08:39:37 <CIA-1> -Codechange r6651: [depot window] disabled the check for the correct cache in the depot window 08:39:37 <CIA-1> Nobody had problems so far, so we can assume that InvalidateWindowData() is used everywhere where it's needed 08:39:37 <CIA-1> The check is just disabled, not deleted so it's quick to reenable if we change some code and wants to check this again 08:44:59 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:45:05 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [] 08:55:11 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57:21 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:02:57 <CIA-1> bjarni * r6678 /trunk/train_gui.c: -Code cleanup: [train build window] made an enum with widget names and fixed some incorrect indents 09:09:18 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2E349.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:12:20 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 09:16:16 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2EA18.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:02 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 09:36:49 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 09:45:56 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 10:04:02 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D74B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:07:02 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:22 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:09:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:12:02 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2BF2142Demo 10:19:37 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:22:42 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 10:24:06 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 10:31:33 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-252-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:33:34 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 10:33:38 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: You have the urge to do some accounting...] 10:34:48 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-192-167.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 10:36:23 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC64A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:46:01 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N810P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 10:48:30 *** Rens2BF2142Demo is now known as Rens2Sea 11:01:05 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Need. 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Now.] 11:02:50 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-225-191.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:06:15 *** Dred_furst [~laurie@user-54407626.wfd80b.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:13:58 *** Spoco- [Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-241.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 11:16:17 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-137-68-253.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:20:51 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-241.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:42 *** Dred_furst [~laurie@user-54407626.wfd80b.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 11:24:57 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:25:09 <lolman> Afternoon :) 11:25:49 <Wolf01> boys -> http://dsquake.blogspot.com/ :O 11:27:35 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176115095.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:28:32 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:36:57 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 11:42:40 <MeusH> nice Wolf01 11:42:46 <MeusH> altough I don't have DS 11:42:56 <Wolf01> http://www.dual-soft.com/doomds/about.html <- there is also doom :O 11:42:58 <MeusH> never seen it methinks 11:43:31 * MeusH googles for DS images 11:43:32 <MeusH> Ohh, actually I saw it 11:44:55 *** Spoco- [Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-241.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 11:46:50 <SpComb> and there was me thinking that I had finally found a game that was able to use multiple monitors :( 11:48:07 <Wolf01> i wonder ottd on ds 11:50:19 <ln-> how much bureaucracy is needed to get an *english*/american string changed? 11:55:03 <Tron> a proportonial amount to your misplaced cynism 11:55:56 <Wolf01> tron, magic bridges! 11:56:07 <Wolf01> peter1138, custom bridgeheads! 11:56:39 <Sacro> ln-: heh, contact MiHaMiX 11:56:47 <Wolf01> Wolf01, learn c! 11:57:03 <Tron> i don't know when/if i work on ottd agai 11:57:04 <Tron> n 11:57:20 <Wolf01> :( 12:02:29 <ln-> are you serious? 12:10:06 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-55.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:20 <ln-> and did you somehow happen to take the word "bureaucracy" personally? 12:12:06 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-55.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:12:28 <Sacro> ln-: me? 12:14:50 <ln-> not you. 12:21:24 *** webfreakz [~Ronald@195.73.147.226] has joined #openttd 12:21:27 <webfreakz> hi 12:21:40 <Sacro> hi 12:21:45 <webfreakz> why does openttd crash here sometimes when i open the message-history window? 12:22:08 <webfreakz> Error! 12:22:08 <webfreakz> !invalid string id 0 in GetString 12:26:50 <Triffid_Hunter> webfreakz: perhaps it doesn't properly check if there are no messages? 12:28:00 <webfreakz> Triffid_Hunter: it's funny you mention that, because at the time i clicked the message window open there was a new message on the messagebar saying 'aircraft waiting in hangar' 12:32:08 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:33:06 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:49 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Doom 12:36:33 <webfreakz> ok it happened again 12:37:17 *** Gamer [~Ewald-Hei@5354044B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:38:43 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-7542.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 12:52:36 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387DB11.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:14 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-036-103.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 12:59:19 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 13:05:40 *** Rens2Doom [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 13:07:43 <lolman> When does OTTD get surround sound? :P 13:08:07 <webfreakz> When does OTTD get 3d view? :P 13:08:13 <webfreakz> WHEN IT'S DONE! 13:08:16 <webfreakz> ;) 13:08:22 <lolman> LOL! 13:09:28 <Sacro> oh noes, its lolman 13:09:34 <webfreakz> lol 13:09:36 <lolman> Oh noes... 13:10:13 <eQualizer> IT'S DONE WHEN IT'S DONE! 13:10:17 <lolman> Oh, OSX finished downloading lol 13:10:34 <lolman> Need to find a DVD to burn it to now... 13:10:41 <webfreakz> downloaded OSX? 13:10:43 <hylje> hackintosh 13:10:44 <hylje> :o 13:10:46 <lolman> =D 13:10:55 <webfreakz> didn't get it when you bought your mac? :P 13:11:02 <lolman> What Mac? 13:11:04 <lolman> lol 13:11:12 <webfreakz> lol with lolman ! :D 13:11:14 <hylje> i downloaded more ram 13:11:20 <lolman> HAHA 13:11:24 <webfreakz> -_- 13:11:54 <lolman> I downloaded a Core 2 Duo... 13:11:59 <lolman> Spec sheet <g> 13:13:32 <peter1138> hi 13:13:37 <webfreakz> hi 13:13:54 * lolman hates the fact none of his music is in surround 13:13:57 <lolman> Ello peter1138 13:15:07 <Darkvater> crap, cannot run Syberia with wine :( 13:15:09 <Sacro> hmm, i spy a move to simutrans 13:15:45 <lolman> Sacro, nooooooo 13:16:30 <Sacro> but it has 3rd/4th rail support... 13:17:02 <lolman> Code it into OTTD ;-) 13:17:12 <lolman> And NOOOOOO!!!!! 13:17:25 <Sacro> heh, "this is some sort of brain enhancer... in france they call it a guillatine" 13:17:26 <lolman> Windows Update is fecked here! NOOOOO!!! 13:17:31 <peter1138> wouldn't be too hard 13:17:54 <Sacro> peter1138: i think Bjarni said it'd just need the grfs doing, and a new railtype adding 13:18:07 <lolman> The french HAVE brains to enhance?!?! 13:18:13 <peter1138> Sacro: right 13:18:20 <peter1138> Sacro: so can you draw? 13:18:33 <Sacro> peter1138: havent you seen my sub-surface underground stock? 13:18:50 <webfreakz> bjarni? 13:18:52 <Bjarni> I said what about grf? 13:18:54 <peter1138> no 13:18:59 <Sacro> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/london_transport_6th_may_1966_242.png 13:19:03 <Sacro> my A stock 13:19:42 <Sacro> original colours... i also did refurb'd 13:20:14 <lolman> £2bill in 1966? 13:20:20 <peter1138> hmm 13:20:25 <peter1138> so can you draw 3rd/4th rail? 13:20:50 <Sacro> lolman: used cheats, its for replicating the London Underground in OTTD 13:20:56 <Sacro> peter1138: i can have a good go 13:20:57 <hylje> what would a 3rd/4th rail be 13:21:05 <lolman> Sacro, was wondering ;-) 13:21:54 <Darkvater> hmm, my perl is a bit rusty. If I have a regexp like $_ =~ /$_[1]\: (.*)/; 13:22:05 <Darkvater> and then do something like: $a = or die "blaaa"; 13:22:10 <Darkvater> it dies if is 0 :( 13:22:17 <Darkvater> (the number zero) 13:22:24 <Sacro> hylje: electrification without overhead wires 13:22:32 <hylje> :o 13:22:42 <Darkvater> it should only die when the the saved regexp doesn't exist, is null 13:22:43 <Darkvater> ideas? 13:23:06 <hylje> hmm 13:23:17 <hylje> perl thinks 0 is false 13:23:23 <peter1138> well it is 13:23:30 <peter1138> you need to test the regexp, not the assignment 13:23:41 <peter1138> (how you do that, i haven't the foggiest) 13:24:10 <Darkvater> he, thanks peter1138 ;p 13:24:23 <peter1138> useful as ever :D 13:24:35 <Darkvater> I love you :> 13:25:53 <Darkvater> hmm if I do if ($_ =~ /$_[1]\: (.*)/) << would that error out properly? 13:27:13 <Tron> you probably want the || die in the match line 13:27:45 <Darkvater> good, even better.. I was doing else 13:27:52 * Darkvater shakes fists at perl 13:29:52 * Sacro downloads simutrans 13:36:30 <webfreakz> http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-1065100896569041740 13:36:31 <webfreakz> :D 13:38:43 <Sacro> hmm, i have a road, but no vehicles... 13:43:43 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 13:45:44 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:48:21 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DB11.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:58:27 <CIA-1> bjarni * r6679 /trunk/ (lang/english.txt train_gui.c window.h): 13:58:27 <CIA-1> -Feature: [train build window] added filter for wagons, engines or both in the display 13:58:27 <CIA-1> -Codechange: [train build window] to get rid of a really ugly hack, the train build list is now generated in one loop and stored in an array 14:13:16 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:20:22 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:16 <CIA-1> bjarni * r6680 /trunk/ (engine.c functions.h train_gui.c window.c window.h): -Codechange r6679: [train build window] only generate the list when the window data is invalidated or the window is generated, not on each redraw 14:32:30 *** xyz [~ss@MTL-ppp-152056.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #openttd 14:45:36 <MeusH> Darkvater: tile measurement! :) 14:45:46 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:45:46 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 14:53:29 <peter1138> newtilemeasurement 14:57:31 <MeusH> why new? 14:57:50 <ln-> does size matter? 14:58:03 <MeusH> no 14:58:13 <MeusH> (volume does, in case you check my things) 15:04:33 <CIA-1> bjarni * r6681 /trunk/ (engine.c train_gui.c): 15:04:33 <CIA-1> -Fix: when vehicles never expire they will stay at peak reliability instead of the lowest to make them useful even when old 15:04:33 <CIA-1> -Fix: when retiring an engine design, invalidate the build windows and invalidate the build window data 15:04:33 <CIA-1> -Fix: mark build windows dirty when engine reliability changes 15:05:59 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 15:08:45 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:15:27 <Sacro> god im bored 15:16:21 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 15:18:59 <MeusH> me too 15:22:24 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 15:23:31 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 15:26:57 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:54 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 15:58:16 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 15:58:55 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 15:58:58 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 16:17:13 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-57-132.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:17:54 <Sacro> jonty-comp! 16:18:02 <jonty-comp> lies 16:18:29 <Sacro> :o 16:29:08 <Sacro> !seen lolman 16:29:10 <_42_> Sacro, lolman (~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com) was last seen quitting #openttd 1 hour 43 minutes ago (07.10. 14:45) stating "" after spending 2 hours 13 minutes there. 16:29:17 <Sacro> !seen aol 16:29:18 <_42_> Sacro, aol? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember aol. 16:30:29 <Wolf01> !seen intelligence_in_sacro 16:30:30 <_42_> Wolf01, Hum... don't you think this nick is a bit long? ^_^ 16:30:46 * Wolf01 kicks _42_ 16:36:43 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:36:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:37:19 *** wanze [wanze@0x50c6394c.hrnxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:41:51 *** xyz [~ss@MTL-ppp-152056.qc.sympatico.ca] has left #openttd [] 16:50:17 <wanze> what map do you guys play? 16:53:07 <Sacro> wanze: random 16:53:16 <wanze> okay 16:53:20 <wanze> thanks 16:55:51 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:07 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host14-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 17:07:29 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 17:07:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 17:08:02 <MeusH> Darkvater, hi 17:08:21 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N810P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:52 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@M3089P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:14:15 *** webfreakz [~Ronald@195.73.147.226] has left #openttd [] 17:15:29 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:02 <peter1138> hmm 17:33:07 <MeusH> my cat cut my wrist vein :o 17:33:20 <MeusH> fuck 17:33:22 <MeusH> i'm bleeding 17:33:23 <MeusH> cu 17:33:26 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 17:33:36 *** Darkscythe [~mike@84-245-30-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #openttd 17:33:36 <Sacro> hmm, an emo with a pet... 17:36:41 <CIA-1> miham * r6682 /trunk/lang/ (danish.txt french.txt hungarian.txt polish.txt): 17:36:41 <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-10-07 19:35:57 17:36:41 <CIA-1> danish - 7 fixed, 44 changed by ThomasA (51) 17:36:41 <CIA-1> french - 6 fixed by glx (6) 17:36:41 <CIA-1> hungarian - 6 fixed by miham (6) 17:36:43 <CIA-1> polish - 6 fixed by meush (6) 17:36:50 <eleusis> hahaha 17:37:38 *** Gamer [~Ewald-Hei@5354044B.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 17:37:53 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:07 <Sacro> lws1984! 17:38:23 <lws1984> Sacro! 17:38:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host159-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:38:37 <eleusis> people! 17:38:47 <Sacro> eleusis! 17:38:56 <Sacro> Wolf01! 17:39:01 <eleusis> me! 17:39:09 <Sacro> you! 17:39:26 <eleusis> :D 17:39:41 <Wolf01> hi 17:40:05 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 17:49:35 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 17:49:46 <MeusH> back 17:50:08 <Sacro> MeusH: you ok? 17:50:52 *** Darkscythe [~mike@84-245-30-97.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit [] 17:50:54 <MeusH> I hope so 17:51:05 <MeusH> fortunatelly the scar is on the skin, and vein is allright 17:51:06 <MeusH> I think 17:51:12 <MeusH> I'm not bleeding that much... 17:51:47 <MeusH> it just doesn't look nice :) 17:53:16 <Sacro> scars usually dont 17:53:28 <MeusH> bad word, it's a wound 17:53:32 <MeusH> ohh, nevermind 17:53:49 <MeusH> it'll be ok. I was just scared because it's right over the vein 17:53:57 <ln-> think about all the bacteria that may be circulating in your veins right now. 17:54:34 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:54:36 <MeusH> :o 17:54:54 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:55:29 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387DB11.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:57:59 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-252-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! It was you wasn't it!?] 18:01:00 <MeusH> goodnight 18:01:04 <MeusH> I'm off the party :) 18:01:16 <MeusH> I'll tell peeps that wound is because of shaving accident :D 18:01:24 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 18:03:11 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DB11.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:56 *** Wolf01|AWAY [~wolf01@host159-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:03 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:09:03 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-234-176.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 18:13:01 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-57-132.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:44 <Sacro> shaving your arm...? 18:19:35 *** Osai is now known as Osai^b4tH 18:20:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host159-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:23:36 *** Neonox_ [~Neonox@ip-80-226-234-176.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 18:30:51 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-234-176.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:09 *** chu_ [~chu@chu.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #openttd 18:43:14 <chu_> hi 18:43:59 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 18:44:16 <chu_> wouln't it be better, if the new filter in the train build window be just below the title bar of that window 18:44:32 <chu_> so many buttons at the bottom of the window is rather confusing 18:48:41 *** Neonox_ is now known as Neonox 18:54:31 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-225-191.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:03 <Bjarni> chu_: stop leaving when I want to talk to you 19:03:12 <Bjarni> it would make conversation easier ;) 19:04:21 <Bjarni> <chu_> wouln't it be better, if the new filter in the train build window be just below the title bar of that window <-- hmm... one moment. I will upload a screenshot of what the window looks like in my next patch 19:06:15 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-225-191.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:06:39 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/build_window.png 19:07:00 <hylje> wow 19:07:05 <hylje> then some spotlight sweetness 19:07:17 <Bjarni> it's not done yet 19:07:35 <Bjarni> the assending/decending thing is not working yet 19:07:55 <Bjarni> and I lack strings 19:08:15 <Bjarni> and currently I can only sort by EngineID (like the trunk does now) and price 19:08:21 *** Osai^b4tH is now known as Osai^city 19:08:47 <Gonozal_VIII> you shouldn't talk about your underwear in a public channel 19:09:09 <Bjarni> ... 19:09:17 <Bjarni> wtf are you talking about? 19:09:36 <Gonozal_VIII> your lack of strings 19:10:01 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: it's completely normal that a man does not have strings. 19:10:24 <Sacro> and your ascending/descending thing not working... 19:10:37 <Gonozal_VIII> but it's not that normal to complain about it 19:10:45 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/build_window2.png 19:10:52 <Bjarni> the other sort option ;) 19:11:08 * Bjarni hits Gonozal_VIII 19:11:30 <Bjarni> I'm talking about code, not about myself 19:12:06 <Bjarni> back to the real topic here: is it confusing with all those buttons and the button placements? 19:12:15 <Gonozal_VIII> as i am unable to code, i tried the being funny thing instead 19:12:40 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 19:13:11 <Bjarni> well, you manage to get feedback, but that's like the comedian, who gets feedback by people thowing tomatoes at him :P 19:13:43 <Gonozal_VIII> any feedback is good feedback.. sort of 19:14:01 <Bjarni> well 19:14:12 <Bjarni> in that case, I would like some feedback on my question 19:14:27 <Bjarni> <Bjarni> back to the real topic here: is it confusing with all those buttons and the button placements? 19:14:29 <Gonozal_VIII> looks perfectly clear to me 19:15:02 <Bjarni> yeah, me too 19:15:33 <Bjarni> it will need a string in the sort by widget, but that's on the TODO list 19:18:31 <chu_> Bjarni: perhaps you could replace those 3 buttons with 3 icon-buttons - like in the station-list-widget 19:18:53 <chu_> then those 3 icon-buttons would fit into the same row as the sort-button 19:21:01 <Bjarni> hmm 19:21:03 <Bjarni> maybe 19:21:30 <chu_> it would look a lot better and be consistent with other windows 19:22:19 <Bjarni> actually it would not be consistent with the other windows as the locomotive icon means pressing it will open a vehicle list window 19:22:43 <chu_> yes you are right 19:22:56 <chu_> but at the moment it wast's a lot of space 19:23:01 <chu_> and it's not really useable 19:23:36 <Bjarni> anyway chu_: try to create an account on bugs.openttd.org and tell MiHaMiX what goes wrong 19:23:44 <Bjarni> also I can make an account for you if needed 19:23:55 <chu_> when selection wagons or engines, one has to move the mouse all the way down to the buttons and then back to the list 19:24:08 <chu_> i think i got an email from the bug-tracker recently 19:24:26 <chu_> iirc i have an account in the meantime 19:24:41 <chu_> comercials are over - back to tv ;-) 19:24:49 <Bjarni> ... 19:24:58 <Gonozal_VIII> that's a matter of personal taste 19:25:34 <Bjarni> so you are saying that we are just better than the commercials so you used us to kill your time or ? 19:28:00 <Gonozal_VIII> both is preselected? 19:28:01 <Sacro> Bjarni: heh, i do 19:32:18 <Bjarni> yeah, I had to pick one of them, so I decided to pick the one, that gives the current behaviour 19:33:15 <Gonozal_VIII> good 19:34:12 <Bjarni> hurrah, I just added a string and wrote {BLACK} and then I noticed that the background turns black when it's selected, so it should be {WHITE} 19:34:19 <Bjarni> now it compiles all over :/ 19:36:45 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know what it's all about with those {} but i'm not surprised that "black" makes something turn black :-) 19:39:59 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-234-176.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 19:40:11 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-225-191.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:41:57 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 19:42:29 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-141-177.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:42:44 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-234-176.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 19:55:17 <chu_> Bjarni: in fact i was translating strings when i noticed the 3 new buttons 19:55:43 <chu_> and before i forgot it, i just wanted to tell you what i think of them 19:58:01 <Gonozal_VIII> there should be a 1337 lang file 19:58:11 <peter1138> make one 19:58:35 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: heh, get MiHaMiX to add it 20:02:01 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-234-176.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:35 *** Osai^city [~Osai@p54B36DBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^city] 20:08:15 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:10:54 <Sacro> lws1984! 20:10:57 <lws1984> Sacro! 20:12:43 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176126077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:14:03 <Bjarni> hmm 20:14:12 <Bjarni> EngineID, cost, power, speed 20:14:17 <Bjarni> what else to sort for? 20:15:21 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176115095.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:08 <Bjarni> ahh, intro date 20:16:39 <Bjarni> Maybe I should just sort by intro date instead of EngineID 20:16:44 <Sacro> Bjarni: name? 20:16:52 <Bjarni> hmm 20:16:58 <Bjarni> how to sort strings.... 20:17:06 * Bjarni will think about that one 20:19:23 * Bjarni stops wondering and starts to steal name sorting code from vehicle list sorting 20:19:57 <Bjarni> it works, so why try to recreate it ;) 20:22:38 <Sacro> heh, clever 20:23:05 <Sacro> Bjarni: can you sort by running costs? 20:23:42 <Bjarni> not yet ;) 20:23:53 <wanze> does anybody know an easy map wtih hell lot of factories and stuff so you can make a lot of big train networks? 20:24:29 <Bjarni> I'm sure people on the forum might take a look at it 20:25:51 <Bjarni> hmm 20:26:08 <Bjarni> I think I recall somebody requesting power/running cost radio sorting 20:26:18 <Bjarni> anything else? 20:26:33 <Bjarni> it's not useful to sort by say weight, right? 20:26:41 <Sacro> hmm... it might be with TE 20:26:46 <Sacro> but then you'd use power/weight sorting 20:27:12 <Bjarni> reliability 20:28:01 <Bjarni> will anybody use sorting by reliability? 20:28:02 <Sacro> hmm, dunno if its used much 20:28:37 <Serriaromeo> wanze, just create a map, use the create senario option, and you can make the map anything you want it to be. 20:29:00 <Bjarni> life length.... not really useful now that we got autoreplace and autorenew 20:29:05 <peter1138> heh 20:29:19 <peter1138> reliability means nothing when everyone turns breakdowns off 20:29:39 <Bjarni> I never turn breakdowns off 20:30:21 <peter1138> i do, they're too frequent 20:30:35 <Bjarni> yeah 20:30:53 <Bjarni> eventually I think I will redo the whole breakdown system 20:31:20 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 20:31:42 <CIA-1> KUDr * r6683 /trunk/train_gui.c: -Fix: '<' signed unsigned mismatch produced by VC8 20:32:54 <wanze> Serriaromeo: would be easier if somebody already has 20:33:20 <Born_Acorn> Breakdowns rarely happen even with 150 year old steam engines. 20:33:30 <Born_Acorn> in RL, at least. 20:34:44 <Sacro> :o KUDr COMMITAGE :D 20:35:08 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: how about we stop breakdowns for "Wrong type of snow" 20:35:54 <Serriaromeo> i would love to see some things like a cross between the disaters and the breakdowns, i.e. accidents like derailments, or loading accidents that osha and dot would shut a station down to ivestigate for a few weeks/months , or what ever the revelant body is for europe. 20:36:01 * peter1138 curses Bjarni for changing all english.txt 20:36:05 <peter1138> -all 20:39:45 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 20:40:21 <Nigel> anyone know when passenger destinations will be added to miniin? 20:40:57 <peter1138> or even if... 20:41:06 <Sacro> Nigel: when a) RichK returns, or when b) someone else with commit rights adds it 20:41:25 <peter1138> well, it's richk's 'little' project 20:41:52 <Sacro> ooh, link'd 20:43:19 <hylje> feature request: scriptable livery colors 20:43:35 <hylje> or rather "change the livery every 5 seconds" 20:51:00 <Bjarni> * peter1138 curses Bjarni for changing all english.txt <-- I got great news for you. I got a modified english.txt in my local copy 20:52:45 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 20:54:59 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 20:57:41 <lws1984> question, how do you comment out a .grf file in openttd.cfg? 20:58:12 <hylje> # 20:58:29 <lws1984> ah, figures it's something obvious 20:58:30 <lws1984> thanks 21:00:48 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 21:01:00 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:07:12 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-7542.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: g2g. buy bye] 21:08:37 *** Mucht [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: I'll be back!] 21:18:01 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Resources!] 21:24:37 <Serriaromeo> dist_local_authority = 20 <- does anybody know what this setting does, minin, 6500 21:25:01 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:25:52 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 21:31:10 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 21:35:16 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 21:37:21 <Bjarni> I guess it's tell how far from a town centre the town cares for tree cutting and so on 21:38:15 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176126077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 21:38:42 <Bjarni> something tells me that my newly designed name sorter is not that good 21:38:47 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:38:53 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [] 21:39:01 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:39:09 <Bjarni> it's consistent, but it looks a bit random how it sorts 21:39:45 <Bjarni> 75, 38, 18, 01, 85, 45, 05 21:39:56 <Bjarni> to me, that's not sorted in assending order 21:40:55 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe the randomness ascends through the numbers 21:41:59 <Gonozal_VIII> 05 is obviously much more random than 75 21:45:51 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:00 <Bjarni> ahh, now I know what went wrong 21:47:31 <Bjarni> I switched two strings so when it said it sorted by name, it actually sorted by the date the engine were designed in 21:48:04 <Bjarni> hence the consistent, but apparently random order of strings 21:48:34 <Bjarni> now that I figured that out, I will try to restore my function and kill all debug code 21:49:00 <Sacro> lol 21:50:53 <Bjarni> and now it works again 21:53:25 <peter1138> o_O 21:55:15 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC64A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:41 *** wanze [wanze@0x50c6394c.hrnxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 22:00:29 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 22:01:50 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:58 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 22:04:43 <Sacro> Bjarni: we might have an endian issue here 22:05:39 <Bjarni> :( 22:06:30 <Sacro> yup 22:07:07 <lws1984> actually, it's my issue, but for some reason I can't connect to Peter's server, I keep gettting a "connection lost" error 22:07:51 <Bjarni> networking should transmit everything byte by byte to avoid endian issues 22:08:11 <peter1138> yeah, but afterwards... 22:08:20 <lws1984> aye, it's after I connect 22:08:21 *** Progman [~progman@p5091D74B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:28 <Bjarni> ok 22:08:31 <Bjarni> hmm 22:08:31 <lws1984> I get the map, but it freezes for about 10 seconds 22:08:44 <lws1984> then it knocks me off with either "connection lost" or "sync failed" 22:08:48 <Bjarni> clean nightly build? 22:08:54 <lws1984> aye, just downloaded the latest 22:09:01 <Bjarni> hmm 22:09:01 *** ln- [lauri@192.194.168.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:13 <Bjarni> sync can very well be an endian issue 22:09:40 <Bjarni> but... I don't know where to start looking 22:09:42 <peter1138> could be endian, could be savegame problem, could be newgrf calculation issue 22:10:13 <peter1138> hmm, it's not syaing it's a desync though 22:10:24 <lws1984> well, only got sync failed once 22:10:31 <lws1984> about.. eh, 5 times or so, wasn't it? 22:10:40 <lws1984> it was connection lost for all times except one 22:10:44 <Bjarni> that reminds me of a game where I desynced at a certain time each time. In the end, ludde wrote a patch to save an uncompressed savegame each tick and then we compared md5 and found the first savegame, that was different 22:10:57 <Bjarni> turned out that we didn't handle an overflow identically 22:10:59 <peter1138> Client #27 is dropped because it took longer than 500 ticks for him to join 22:11:14 <lws1984> i assume i'm client #27? 22:11:17 <peter1138> yeah 22:11:25 <lws1984> yay me. 22:11:31 <Bjarni> maybe you lack too much 22:11:35 <lws1984> lack? 22:11:35 <Sacro> ooh, just popped me knee out 22:11:37 <peter1138> lag 22:11:39 <Bjarni> lag 22:11:40 <lws1984> aah 22:11:48 <peter1138> what speed is your connection? 22:11:53 <lws1984> 5mbps 22:12:01 <Bjarni> try to ping peter 22:12:19 <peter1138> o_O 22:12:23 <peter1138> should be plenty 22:12:23 <lws1984> what?? 22:12:24 <Prof_Frink> lws1984: 200s between individual bits? That'd be the problem. 22:12:32 * peter1138 ups it to 1000 ticks 22:12:34 <peter1138> try again 22:12:35 <lws1984> 118:12 [oftc] CTCP PING reply from peter1138: 22:12:42 <lws1984> nothing after the number! 22:12:44 <lws1984> ah, i'll try then 22:12:58 <lws1984> err. name, not number :p 22:13:27 <lws1984> also, on this one, OpenTTD keeps freezing randomly for some reason 22:13:38 <lws1984> for only about a second or 4 22:13:58 <Bjarni> the game freezes when it waits for the server to say ok to move on to next tick 22:14:06 <Bjarni> that's how speed is kept in sync 22:14:31 <lws1984> no, at the start screen 22:14:44 <Bjarni> the server sends a package with "ok to proceed and execute the following commands" 22:14:51 <Bjarni> or something like that 22:15:58 <Bjarni> lws1984: it takes me 130 ms to ping you 22:16:07 <Bjarni> and 70 ms to peter1138 22:16:08 <lws1984> godamnit... Messgae: "Network-Game connection lost" 22:16:18 <peter1138> Client #30 is dropped because it took longer than 1000 ticks for him to join 22:16:21 <peter1138> o_O 22:16:33 <lws1984> O_o 22:16:36 <Bjarni> enable pause while joining 22:16:44 <peter1138> it is 22:16:49 <Bjarni> ... 22:16:52 <peter1138> *** Lewis has joined the game 22:16:52 <peter1138> [All] Server: Game paused (incoming client) 22:16:52 <peter1138> Client #30 is dropped because it took longer than 1000 ticks for him to join 22:16:52 <peter1138> dbg: [NET] Closed client connection 22:16:52 <peter1138> *** Lewis has left the game (connection lost) 22:16:54 <peter1138> [All] Server: Game unpaused 22:16:59 <lws1984> i think it is, I got a "Game paused: new client joining" before it left 22:17:18 <Bjarni> odd 22:17:32 <peter1138> i upped it to 5000, but i suspect there'll be no effect 22:17:37 * lws1984 tries 22:17:39 <peter1138> 5000 ticks is ... alot 22:17:57 <Bjarni> it's not a huge map, is it? 22:17:58 <lws1984> that's 5000 ms, right? 22:18:16 <peter1138> Bjarni: no... 512x256 22:18:21 <lws1984> hmm.. just thinking.. could the fact that i'm playing on a 600Mhz iBook have any effect on anything? 22:18:29 <peter1138> not 5000ms, 5000 ticks 22:18:35 <lws1984> how long's a tick? 22:18:36 <peter1138> where a tick is 30ms 22:18:39 <lws1984> aah 22:18:52 <peter1138> = 150s? heh 22:18:57 <Bjarni> it could be due to the low CPU power 22:19:02 <Bjarni> but still... 22:19:15 <peter1138> shouldn't be, it's only at the start and there's not much going on 22:19:17 <Bjarni> joining should not take that long 22:19:20 <lws1984> i've played multiplayer before on this machine without any issues 22:19:21 <peter1138> mine's only 800MHz 22:19:23 <lws1984> in older versions 22:20:09 <Bjarni> which revision is the nightly build? 22:20:16 <lws1984> 6682 22:21:01 * Bjarni decides to compile a nightly build and try to join 22:21:09 <Bjarni> what newgrf stuff? 22:21:50 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/ 22:21:57 <peter1138> that stuff 22:22:08 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:22:26 <lws1984> ooh, I made it in! 22:22:29 <lws1984> but it's frozen... 22:22:39 <peter1138> then kicked out again 22:22:39 <lws1984> aargh 22:22:41 <lws1984> aye 22:22:52 <lws1984> well, I made it in for a bit longer :p 22:22:58 <peter1138> [210349] Client #32 is slow, try increasing *net_frame_freq to a higher value! 22:22:58 <peter1138> Client #32 is dropped because the client did not respond for more than 4 game-days 22:23:05 <peter1138> you say it pauses in the intro screen... 22:23:12 <lws1984> aye 22:23:23 <lws1984> also can't move the pointer for when it's frozen 22:23:41 <peter1138> everything else runs fine at that time? 22:23:45 <peter1138> (or is it fullscreen..) 22:23:49 <lws1984> no, not fulscreen 22:23:56 <lws1984> and when i'm paused, everything else is fine 22:24:00 <peter1138> this seems like a general issue rather than network related 22:24:01 *** ln- [lauri@ksenos.fi] has joined #openttd 22:24:06 <lws1984> heck, was just paused when i was typing this 22:30:22 *** Mucht [~Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 22:30:22 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30:58 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 22:32:06 <Bjarni> so whatever the issue is, it appears not to be an endian issue 22:32:14 <Bjarni> it works just fine for me 22:33:05 <Bjarni> lws1984: OSX 10.4 or 10.3? 22:33:20 <lws1984> 10.4.8 22:33:31 <Bjarni> ok, that ruled out that issue as well 22:34:10 <Bjarni> try to start a singleplayer game @ 64x64 22:34:15 <Bjarni> any pauses? 22:34:15 <lws1984> who, me? 22:34:18 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 22:34:21 <lws1984> :p duh 22:34:22 <lws1984> k then 22:34:27 <Bjarni> yeah you with the issue :P 22:34:31 <lws1984> just random nap? 22:34:32 <lws1984> map, even 22:34:35 <Bjarni> yes 22:34:55 <Bjarni> just to see if it works without pauses 22:35:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80CCD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:35:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:35:06 <lws1984> well, i'm getting pauses in the dialog box.. 22:35:13 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 22:35:13 <Bjarni> ... 22:35:31 <Bjarni> somehow that sounds wrong 22:35:54 <Bjarni> and you are not out of swap space or something like that? 22:35:59 <lws1984> ...then this'll sound really wrong 22:36:02 <lws1984> it just crashed 22:36:05 <lws1984> hmm.. notsure 22:36:12 <lws1984> i'll check 22:37:15 <lws1984> off to dinner, be back later 22:40:34 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-137-68-253.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:40:48 <peter1138> o_O 22:41:18 <Bjarni> I left on purpose ;) 22:41:28 <Bjarni> went back to coding 22:41:55 <Bjarni> but yeah, he tried to join a game and now he left for dinner 22:42:27 <Bjarni> logically he would have joined if it just worked, started building a little and then left for dinner 22:43:56 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 22:45:16 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:56 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:55:14 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:29 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:58:30 <CIA-1> bjarni * r6684 /trunk/ (lang/english.txt train_gui.c window.h): -Feature: [train build window] added sorting options for the engines 22:59:51 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-141-177.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:48 *** phrands [~ko@0x57313fc9.esnxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:02:08 <phrands> Hello.. 23:02:50 <phrands> I might be dumb or something, but how do i make a one way signal lights? 23:03:35 <peter1138> use the signal tool on an existing signal 23:05:04 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:05:44 <phrands> I don't seem to have a signal tool.. It's in a box left of the track tool right? 23:05:48 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-150-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:06:05 <peter1138> if you can place signals you have a signal tool... 23:06:06 <lws1984> Bjarni or peter1138 still here? 23:06:33 <peter1138> yes but not much longer 23:06:43 <phrands> Just the regular signal tool? 23:07:05 <peter1138> eys 23:07:09 <peter1138> ... yes 23:07:21 <peter1138> in fact, i'm not here any more 23:07:36 <lws1984> :p 23:07:37 <lws1984> bye 23:07:44 <phrands> Arh okay.. Thanks alot peter! ;) 23:08:11 <Bjarni> <lws1984> Bjarni or peter1138 still here? <-- no, I'm all over here 23:08:17 <Bjarni> on the other side of the Atlantic 23:08:24 <lws1984> :p 23:08:37 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-141-177.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:11:12 <Wolf01|AWAY> 'night all 23:11:15 *** Wolf01|AWAY [~wolf01@host159-232-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 23:13:11 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-185-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:13:28 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:13:57 <lws1984> Bjarni, thought of anything yet? just wondering 23:14:19 <Bjarni> yeah 23:14:43 <Bjarni> you found a filesharing application and went crazy and filled your HD, so there is no swap space left 23:14:56 <lws1984> negative :p 23:15:08 <lws1984> i've got 9.24 GB available on a 10GB drive 23:15:35 <Bjarni> err 23:15:45 <Bjarni> you got an OS of less than a GB? 23:16:01 <lws1984> what? 23:16:10 <lws1984> nope 23:16:25 <Bjarni> by default the swap space is on the system partition 23:16:53 <lws1984> aye, but 9.24 GB should be enough, shouldn't it? 23:17:02 <Bjarni> it should 23:17:19 <lws1984> that's what I thought 23:17:45 <Bjarni> but if it's a 10 GB drive and it's the OS partition, then it sounds wrong that it got 9,24 GB free 23:17:55 <lws1984> well, there's only one partition 23:18:05 <lws1984> wait.. did I say 10 GB? 23:18:10 <lws1984> oh stupid stupid me 23:18:13 <lws1984> it's 20 GB! 23:18:23 <Bjarni> then it makes more sense :) 23:18:27 <lws1984> true 23:18:34 <lws1984> but 9.24 should still be more than enough 23:19:30 <Bjarni> then the problem is something else 23:19:41 <Bjarni> (wow, what an insight!) 23:19:43 <lws1984> aye, I figured as much 23:19:54 <lws1984> Great teachings from Our Father of the Holy Port, Bjarni 23:20:11 <Bjarni> try to open activity monitor and place it somewhere where you can see it 23:20:22 <Bjarni> kill all activity that you do not need 23:20:26 <Bjarni> NOT IRC!!!! 23:20:26 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-036-103.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 23:20:26 <lws1984> k then 23:20:32 <lws1984> no, of cousre not IRC 23:20:33 <lws1984> :p 23:20:54 <Bjarni> somebody did that in a case like this and ended up on top 100 on bash.org 23:21:02 <lws1984> teehee 23:21:11 <lws1984> k, activity monitor open.. 23:21:18 <lws1984> killing all non-essential processes now 23:21:40 <Bjarni> once you are done with that, set it so you get CPU history 23:21:59 <Bjarni> then start OpenTTD in window mode and see if there is a connection between CPU load and the pauses 23:22:06 <lws1984> ok then 23:22:28 <mikk36> hey :) 23:22:35 <Bjarni> I'm not sure how to act on the answer to that one yet, but it's always a good place to start 23:22:46 <Bjarni> check if the CPU might be the bottleneck 23:22:53 <lws1984> k, OpenTTD loading.. 23:22:59 <lws1984> full capacity, frozen now 23:23:24 <lws1984> ok, and it's unfreezing itself at.. about..94 precent or so 23:23:32 <Bjarni> actually the most important part is to check for freezes when it's not overloaded 23:24:10 <Bjarni> disable full animation to free some (a lot) of CPU cycles when drawing 23:24:12 <lws1984> hmm.. only freezes at 100% 23:24:24 <lws1984> k then, disactivating 23:24:30 <lws1984> wait.. how do you do that from the main screen? 23:24:38 <lws1984> or should I try a random game again 23:24:40 <lws1984> ? 23:24:49 <Bjarni> right now the goal is to figure out why it uses so much CPU power 23:24:52 <Bjarni> new game 23:24:55 <Bjarni> just a small one 23:24:55 <lws1984> k then 23:25:31 <lws1984> hmm. .. here it's starting the freeze at 100% then going down to 70% or so before unfreezing 23:25:48 <Bjarni> hmm 23:26:09 <Bjarni> no, I didn't commit anything with such a massive slowdown lately 23:27:00 <lws1984> wtf?? 23:27:06 <lws1984> I'm on a 64x64 map 23:27:08 <lws1984> no freezing! 23:27:15 <lws1984> i'm building stations and railways and such 23:27:17 <lws1984> no freezes 23:27:36 <Bjarni> what is the CPU load? 23:27:54 <lws1984> 73 percent 23:28:14 <lws1984> it's hovering around 70-75% 23:28:39 <mikk36> what cpu ??? 23:28:50 <lws1984> PowerPC G3, 600 Mhz 23:28:54 <mikk36> uhm, ok 23:29:04 <lws1984> Mac ;) 23:30:13 <mikk36> ya 23:30:20 <mikk36> running what ? 23:30:26 <mikk36> macos or smth else ? 23:30:33 <lws1984> MacOS X 10.4 23:30:38 <mikk36> 8| 23:30:46 <lws1984> aye, 10.4.8 23:30:52 <mikk36> enough fast for that ? 23:31:01 <lws1984> well, it used to work in earlier revisions 23:31:23 <Bjarni> lws1984: DCC 23:32:41 <lws1984> Bjarni: 19:32 DCC no file offered by Bjarni 23:32:44 <lws1984> ??? 23:32:49 <Bjarni> :( 23:32:53 <lws1984> try it again 23:33:01 <lws1984> 19:32 [oftc] DCC can't connect to 80.164.108.22 port 49469 23:33:02 <lws1984> bugger 23:33:24 <Bjarni> maybe my router blocks it 23:33:35 * Bjarni decides on ftp instead 23:33:51 <lws1984> you got MSN or something? 23:33:58 <Bjarni> basically my idea is to make you try the binary, that should be the same, but isn't because I compiled it 23:33:59 <lws1984> aah, ftp might work 23:34:04 <lws1984> hmmmm 23:34:05 <lws1984> k then 23:34:27 <Bjarni> the nightly build is crosscompiled 23:34:39 <Bjarni> it should be ok for OSX 10.4, but you never know 23:34:47 <Bjarni> and right now I'm out of ideas for anything else 23:35:07 <lws1984> eh, try it, what have I got to lose? 23:35:14 <Bjarni> bandwidth 23:35:21 <Bjarni> hmm 23:35:21 <lws1984> :p 23:35:28 <Bjarni> now my ftp upload stalled 23:35:29 <lws1984> got enough of that already 23:35:54 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-141-177.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:01 <Bjarni> and now it started again 23:36:57 <lws1984> weird 23:40:07 <Bjarni> you only got that mac? 23:40:26 <lws1984> well, it's the only one I can get to right now 23:40:41 <lws1984> will be for a while, too 23:40:47 <Bjarni> close enough 23:41:03 <lws1984> what? 23:42:41 <Bjarni> I just wondered if it turns out to be the nightly build server, that produces odd binaries, then you might have to compile yourself 23:42:49 <lws1984> hmm 23:42:58 <lws1984> well, I could always install xcode on here 23:42:59 <Bjarni> but it will take 10-15 minutes to do so 23:43:08 <Bjarni> on that CPU 23:43:17 <lws1984> well, would all of the nightlies be odd or just this one? 23:43:23 <Bjarni> upload half done 23:43:37 * Bjarni hates his ISP for setting a 128 bit upload cap 23:44:27 <Bjarni> they got insane upstream prices and it's take it or leave it because they own the phone cables so they will get their money even if I use a different ISP 23:44:37 <lws1984> that's just great 23:44:44 <lws1984> what, no broadband? 23:45:06 <Bjarni> and the only kind of net connection I can get here is modem, ISDN or ADSL 23:45:15 <lws1984> pity 23:45:16 <Bjarni> I got the latter, but it's not that much broadband when uploading 23:45:22 <mikk36> 128bit not 128Kbit ? 23:45:25 <lws1984> hmm 23:45:30 <Bjarni> Kbit :p 23:45:32 <mikk36> :P 23:45:41 <Bjarni> I'm not actually counting bytes 23:45:42 <mikk36> it aint that bad :) 23:45:56 <Bjarni> it is compared to a 2 mb downstream 23:46:01 <Bjarni> and the price I pay for it 23:46:08 <mikk36> how much do u pay then ? 23:46:29 <Bjarni> I mean I learned that I can for less get 8/1,5 mbit ADSL in NL 23:46:51 <mikk36> 1.5 up ??? no way for adsl 23:47:06 <Bjarni> I think it was 1,5 23:47:10 <Bjarni> maybe it was just 1 23:47:16 <Bjarni> but really fast for ADSL 23:47:37 <mikk36> ADSL max is 8/1 23:47:55 <mikk36> ADSL2 is 12/1 23:48:02 <Bjarni> Denmark got twice the price for ADSL as as Sweden 23:48:10 <Bjarni> and Sweden is not a cheap ADSL country 23:48:15 <mikk36> ADSL2+ is 24/1 23:48:30 <mikk36> ADSL2+ Annex M is 24/3.5 23:48:30 <eQualizer> mikk36: 24/3.5? 23:48:48 <mikk36> ITU G.992.5 ADSL2+ 24 Mbit/s 1.0 Mbit/s 23:48:48 <mikk36> ITU G.992.5 Annex L[1] RE-ADSL2+ 24 Mbit/s 1.0 Mbit/s 23:48:48 <mikk36> ITU G.992.5 Annex M ADSL2+ 24 Mbit/s 3.5 Mbit/s 23:49:11 <eQualizer> From wikipedia? :) 23:49:13 *** phrands [~ko@0x57313fc9.esnxx5.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 23:49:17 <mikk36> Standard name Common name Downstream rate Upstream rate 23:51:10 <glx> with my ISP 28 Mbit/s 1 Mbit/s 23:51:20 <mikk36> ?? 23:51:27 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:51:35 <mikk36> u sure it's adsl ? 23:51:51 <glx> yes if you disable some error checks 23:52:28 <glx> and it's ATM 23:52:34 <mikk36> ? 23:53:10 <glx> ISP here gives ATM rate :) (IP is a little less) 23:54:23 <eQualizer> glx: All error checkin is disabled, or only when you use full bandwidht? 23:54:49 <glx> when you want the maximum you disable the checks 23:55:07 <glx> but if you want TV you keep them :) 23:55:37 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80CCD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:55:41 <glx> anyway I can't get more than 4Mbit because I'm too far from the central 23:57:12 <Bjarni> lws1984: http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/openttd-r6682-osx.dmg 23:57:21 <lws1984> ah, thanks 23:57:36 <Bjarni> I don't know how long ago it finished. I left the computer ;) 23:57:36 <eQualizer> How the url tag worked in most of the forums? [url=http://hereistheadd.res]and this is what you see[/url] ? 23:57:52 <glx> yes 23:58:51 <Bjarni> hmm 23:58:52 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8098F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:58:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:58:54 <eQualizer> Thanks. 23:59:08 <Bjarni> lws1984: I just got a theory about what might be stealing your CPU time: YAPF 23:59:41 <Bjarni> try to disable it