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00:05:53 <roboboy> silly oftc, my bot wont join OFTC 00:12:09 <SpComb> heh 00:12:18 <SpComb> what bot is it? 00:12:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:13:46 *** Rens2Doom is now known as Rens2Sea 00:23:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Born_Acorn: well, that is part of the problem, how can you conform to something if everything that even remotely conforms to it is taken away 00:26:46 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not only machines, it's also patents and stuff 00:27:26 <Eddi|zuHause> and also the scientifical "elite", that was usually forced to join "the party" 00:27:53 <Eddi|zuHause> so basically every leading scientist got dismissed because of being member of "the party" 00:27:56 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FACE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:36 *** lws|Away is now known as lws1984 00:28:54 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FACE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:28:54 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FACE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp83-237-96-108.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:41:01 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5B4B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44:30 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-163-125.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:45:08 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 00:45:30 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~jeff@c211-28-162-214.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:46:29 <Sacro> g'night all 00:47:12 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-225-16.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49:57 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-167-212.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:50:10 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 00:51:43 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-90.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:03:13 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:05:30 *** ThePizzaKing__ [~jeff@c211-28-162-214.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:10:15 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7060 /trunk/video/win32_v.c: 01:10:15 <CIA-1> -Fix (r5874): Restore of window maximized state not always working (Mart3p) . Remember 01:10:15 <CIA-1> maximize state even between switching fullscreen/windowed mode. 01:11:28 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:11:31 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 01:12:38 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~jeff@c211-28-162-214.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:13:23 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7061 /trunk/video/win32_v.c: -[win32] Feature: Remember the window size between restarts when quit in fullscreen mode. 01:50:55 *** jez [galactic@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 01:53:28 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7062 /trunk/video/win32_v.c: 01:53:28 <CIA-1> -[win32] Codechange: Remove unneeded WM_MOUSEENTER event, and change mouse behaviour 01:53:28 <CIA-1> a bit so that any specific windows inside (eg IME compositor) will have a cursor. 01:57:39 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-235-21.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: night] 02:00:41 <DarkSSH> I should..yes sleep 02:14:22 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176102101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 02:31:00 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76D16.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76227.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:38:49 <ln-> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/70252 02:42:25 *** ThePizzaKing__ is now known as ThePizzaKing 03:36:48 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-214.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:41:39 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-214.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:13:22 <Zevensoft> hrm eagle filter on ottd doesnt look as good as I thought it would 04:23:09 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:31:11 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-214.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 04:31:47 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-214.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:01:56 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 05:08:12 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:32:14 *** michi_cc [920a855e80@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 05:33:19 *** michi_cc [a9944a672d@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 05:33:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 05:57:44 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:57:44 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:27 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:00:28 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:01:35 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B373E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:07:17 *** lws1984 is now known as lws 06:07:26 *** lws is now known as lws| 06:07:29 *** lws| is now known as lws 06:07:31 <lws> grr..r.rr 06:07:38 *** lws is now known as lws|Away 06:23:57 *** SimonRC [sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Server closed connection] 06:23:58 *** SimonRC [sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 06:57:04 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:57:13 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:07:21 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@89.14.66.151] has joined #openttd 07:26:42 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@89.14.66.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:01:56 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@p5497C5A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:02:18 <Tron> morning, Celestar_ 08:02:20 <CIA-1> tron * r7063 /trunk/newgrf_spritegroup.c: static 08:02:41 <hylje> wut 08:03:42 <Tron> zomg! 08:05:49 <hylje> http://www.presentsdirect.com/go/Product_1000625.html?categoryId=0 08:12:38 *** Frungy [~Frungy@i220-220-228-185.s02.a013.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:14:50 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B373E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 08:24:17 <CIA-1> tron * r7064 /trunk/currency.c: static 08:24:54 <hylje> could you make your commit messages a bit less descriptive, Tron ? 08:25:08 <CIA-1> tron * r7065 /trunk/ (genworld_gui.c newgrf.c openttd.c settings_gui.c sound.c): Use simple assignment instead of memcpy() 08:26:36 <Tron> hylje: learn C, it's a keyword, there's exactly one thing you can do with it 08:40:13 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B373E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:42:52 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 08:51:42 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:02:15 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc162.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 09:04:36 * peter1138 yawns 09:07:24 * Tron grunts 09:08:48 <peter1138> can you undo some of that last one please? 09:09:36 <Tron> probably, why? 09:09:49 <peter1138> the sound part is wrong 09:10:16 <Tron> huh? 09:10:35 <Tron> really? i even compiled before and after and the assembly was the same 09:10:43 <Tron> which change exactly? 09:12:11 <peter1138> ok 09:12:18 <peter1138> then i'll shut up and say i didn't know you could do that 09:12:44 <Tron> tell me which change you suspect 09:12:46 <hylje> hehe 09:12:50 <Tron> maybe i did something wrong 09:12:53 <peter1138> uh, except shutting up and saying something are not compatible :) 09:12:58 <Tron> the *GetSound() one? 09:13:35 <peter1138> *fe = *orig (etc) looks fishy to me, but i guess i'm confusing it with fe = orig... 09:13:52 <Tron> fe = orig assigns the pointers 09:13:57 <Tron> *fe = *orig assigns the values 09:14:17 <Tron> int* x; int* y; 09:14:33 <Tron> x = y; // x points to the same address as y 09:14:42 <Tron> int* x = &a; int* y = &b; 09:15:01 <Tron> *x = *y; // same as *&a = *&b, same as a = b 09:15:54 <peter1138> right 09:16:00 <peter1138> i shall go back to sleep then 09:17:11 <peter1138> and wonder why, if ubuntu edgy was released, i've still got a bad python install after a dist-upgrade 09:19:33 *** Steve14 [~stephan@p54885ADE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:42 <Steve14> good morning 09:36:24 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-065-61.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 09:40:29 <chu_> moring. my patch is online - http://bugs.openttd.org/task/385 09:40:45 <chu_> have fun. hope, you like it 09:41:06 <Steve14> what does it fix ? 09:41:34 <chu_> steve - just read the bug-track-entry 09:41:40 <chu_> it's all written there 09:42:32 <Steve14> oki, sorry for the stupid question ;) 09:54:07 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 09:59:52 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@p5497C5A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:04:08 *** Steve14 [~stephan@p54885ADE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated !] 10:05:33 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:09:39 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F214.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:15:26 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5E9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:24:32 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:26:16 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-8116.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 10:26:58 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 10:35:35 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:35:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 10:42:28 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@p5497C5A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:42:33 <Celestar_> heyho 10:42:36 <Celestar_> KUDr_wrk: you around? 10:44:13 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:44:28 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:41 <Celestar_> seems not so 10:46:12 *** roboman is now known as roboboy 10:46:31 <KUDr> Celestar: yes 10:48:09 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 10:48:16 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:48:47 <KUDr> Celestar_: yes, here 10:49:03 *** lefti [~lefti@igw1.zrnko.cz] has joined #openttd 10:55:26 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc162.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run as I ran over him.] 10:59:38 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc162.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 10:59:50 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~jeff@c211-28-162-214.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:04:54 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-214.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:05:06 <roboboy> gnight 11:06:43 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:03 *** roboboy is now known as robobed 11:13:04 <Celestar_> KUDr: do you have any idea when "we" could find time for newsignalling? 11:13:58 <DarkSSH> :O 11:14:03 <DarkSSH> the AI just built elrails 11:14:36 <Celestar_> yes of course ... 11:15:04 <Celestar_> DarkSSH: why should it not? 11:15:05 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 11:15:15 <Tron> it always builds the latest available railtype 11:15:42 <Celestar_> ay 11:15:56 <DarkSSH> donnu, cause it's the ai :) 11:16:03 <Celestar_> cf. Tron 11:16:27 <KUDr> Celestar_: hopefully i can start this month, but still not sure how much time i'll have 11:17:19 <Celestar_> ok 11:17:27 <Celestar_> KUDr: sync with me, I want to test/help 11:17:38 <CIA-1> tron * r7066 /trunk/viewport.c: -Codechange: Factorise common code 11:17:57 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 11:17:58 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 11:18:17 <Celestar_> woha 11:18:33 <Celestar_> the whole compute center at uni was offline tonight 11:19:13 <Celestar_> because of a brownout 11:19:25 <Celestar_> I told them a HUNDRED times not to buy 4000 Itaniums :S 11:19:26 <KUDr> Celestar_: i will, when i create branch and start commiting i expect brainstormings and changes - i would like to start with LUA script - then implement newsig functionality in LUA (prototyping) with lot of changes durung development 11:19:32 <Tron> a brownout? in bavaria? 11:19:41 <Celestar_> Tron: just inside the building :) 11:19:51 <Celestar_> KUDr: LUA? 11:19:56 <KUDr> yes 11:20:00 <Celestar_> Tron: too many Itaniums :P 11:20:05 <Celestar_> KUDr: what is a LUA? 11:20:18 <Tron> YASL 11:20:25 <Tron> Yet Another Scripting Language 11:20:30 <Celestar_> lol 11:20:31 <Celestar_> ok 11:20:45 <Celestar_> KUDr: I'll improve my last concept later this week, k? 11:20:48 <KUDr> heh, it can be removed later 11:21:02 <Tron> its most remarkable feature is the /very/ strange way it handles functions returning tuples 11:21:16 <KUDr> Celestar_: no problem, i already forgot everything 11:21:20 <Tron> it's ... unintuitive, to say the least 11:21:23 <Celestar_> KUDr: ok :) 11:21:37 <Celestar_> computers ARE unintuitive :P 11:21:51 <Celestar_> or is it the users ,... 11:22:29 <Celestar_> :o 11:22:34 <lefti> umm ... those dmh_ma newgrf really rock 11:22:39 <lefti> dmh_mac 11:23:04 <Celestar_> Aeroports de Paris fired 72 employees because they have "interaction with islamistic groups". So how did they get the job in the first place?! 11:24:24 <Celestar_> ok I'm off a bit. 11:24:26 <Celestar_> cu 11:28:57 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~jeff@c211-28-162-214.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:32:27 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@p5497C5A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:03 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-8116.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: partiparti] 11:37:19 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 11:46:37 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:46:50 *** jez [tumbler@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:52:30 <CIA-1> tron * r7067 /trunk/ (texteff.c viewport.c viewport.h): Remove the unused parameter params_3 from AddStringToDraw() 11:55:47 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-225-16.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:01:44 <Zevensoft> http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7585/ottdsceneryfilterbs0.png kinda screws up text though :/ 12:03:05 <DarkSSH> Zevensoft: yeah, doesn't really work 12:04:28 <peter1138> heh 12:04:34 <Zevensoft> the track looks smooth though 12:05:16 <peter1138> hmm, and the hangar gets fine lines 12:06:59 <Zevensoft> isnt it meant to? 12:07:38 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@72.197.231.130] has joined #openttd 12:09:38 <Zevensoft> ah right 12:09:43 <Sacro> yay, colourful tabs are back 12:09:43 <Zevensoft> they're meant to be vertical 12:09:44 <Zevensoft> heh 12:13:56 <peter1138> Zevensoft: no idea, heh 12:14:32 <Zevensoft> the filter is similar to how hq3x works, only in 8-bit 12:14:40 <Zevensoft> and not quite at the same level yet heh 12:15:51 <Tron> if you could get rid of the artifact that vertical lines degenrate, then it would look really nice 12:17:13 <Tron> s/degenrate/degenerate/ 12:21:57 <Zevensoft> http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/5047/ottdsceneryfilter2ry6.png text is a little better 12:22:04 <Zevensoft> but there is still a vertical line issue 12:22:05 <Zevensoft> hrm 12:23:24 <guru3> what is that? 12:23:32 *** izhirahider [~izhirahid@izhirahider.user.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:23:33 <jez> someone remind me - what's wrong with the default TTD graphics mode? 12:23:45 *** izhirahider [~izhirahid@squareroot.divisionbyzero.net] has joined #openttd 12:23:51 <Tron> much better 12:23:56 <Zevensoft> if your resolution is too high, its still tiny 12:24:16 <jez> x2 nearest-neighbour interpolation 12:24:19 <Zevensoft> btw TV filter is pretty nice for quality, just very dark 12:24:41 <Zevensoft> also made a sort of vertical linear interpolation 12:24:52 <Zevensoft> but that just looks blurry 12:25:06 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@72.197.231.130] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 12:25:53 <Tron> http://tron.homeunix.org/blit/screenshots/bla_18.png <--- big enough? (: 12:26:06 <Zevensoft> hehe 12:26:10 <Sacro> what are you doing? 12:26:26 <Zevensoft> have you played railroads? 12:26:33 <Sacro> no 12:26:35 <Zevensoft> that game borrows a lot from ottd 12:26:59 <XeryusTC> Zevensoft: sid meier's railroads? 12:27:00 <CIA-1> tron * r7068 /trunk/viewport.c: if () cascades -> switch () 12:27:19 <Zevensoft> yeah 12:28:29 <XeryusTC> the only thing SMR has in common with OTTD is trains AFAICT 12:28:42 <XeryusTC> oh, and signals :P 12:28:56 <Tron> rails, maybe 12:29:24 <Zevensoft> buying companys? 12:29:26 <Zevensoft> *companies 12:29:42 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:17 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:30:44 <XeryusTC> i never got to the point of buying company and stuff 12:30:58 <XeryusTC> i uninstalled the game after the first CTD 12:33:30 <Noldo> Tron: why is switch better there? 12:33:52 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 12:33:59 <XeryusTC> Noldo: switches are always better 12:34:07 <Noldo> why? 12:37:05 <ln-> Zevensoft: can you identify the parts of ottd that it does not borrow from TTD? 12:37:57 <Tron> if (x < 1) { 12:38:01 <Tron> } else if (x == 1) { 12:38:06 <Tron> } else { 12:38:16 <XeryusTC> Noldo: http://www.dotnet247.com/247reference/msgs/35/178987.aspx 12:38:16 <Tron> assert(x == 2); 12:38:17 <Tron> } 12:38:19 <Tron> vs. 12:38:22 <Tron> switch (x) { 12:38:25 <Tron> case 0: 12:38:26 <Tron> case 1: 12:38:29 <Tron> case 2: 12:38:35 <Tron> default: NOT_REACHED(); 12:38:35 <Tron> } 12:38:37 <Tron> questions? 12:38:58 <guru3> using the switch doesn't it get to NOT_REACHED no matter what then? 12:39:03 <Noldo> that case was very clear, but do you have some more general rule of thumb? 12:39:37 <DarkSSH> Tron: is x signed/unsigned? 12:39:44 <Tron> guru3: as you can see i left out MANY things, the break;s is one of them 12:39:49 <Tron> DarkSSH: byte 12:39:49 <guru3> ok 12:40:03 <Tron> DarkSSH: it always is 0, 1 or 2. It's the zoom level 12:40:06 <DarkSSH> good 12:40:28 <Tron> XeryusTC: a good compiler cares jack shit what flavor of syntactic sugar you throw at it 12:41:58 <Sacro> but a bad compiler... 12:42:09 * DarkSSH slaps Sacro 12:42:41 <Sacro> :( why do people keep doing that? 12:45:14 <Zevensoft> why only 3 zoom levels 12:45:23 <Zevensoft> what if someone made a half zoom filter... 12:46:54 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:47:38 *** valhallasw`verygone [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:47:42 *** valhallasw`verygone [~valhallas@62.251.30.68] has joined #openttd 12:48:53 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.227] has joined #openttd 12:50:09 <XeryusTC> Zevensoft: you could add a case 4 for that soom level then 12:50:35 <XeryusTC> or make it level 1, and renumber the other levels 12:51:21 <Zevensoft> I dont know if the filter code would work in the blitter 12:52:45 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-235-21.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:57:56 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:59:52 <peter1138> XeryusTC: it starts at 0 ;p 13:00:02 <UserErr0r> nightly 13:00:07 <UserErr0r> erm 13:00:09 <peter1138> daily! 13:00:24 <UserErr0r> i assumed it was a trigger in the topic 13:00:37 <UserErr0r> unless 13:00:38 <peter1138> apt name ;p 13:00:39 <UserErr0r> !nightly 13:00:42 <UserErr0r> :/ 13:00:44 <peter1138> it's a usr 13:00:45 <peter1138> err 13:00:47 <peter1138> it's a url 13:00:50 <peter1138> nightly.openttd.org 13:00:53 <UserErr0r> oh i see 13:01:00 <UserErr0r> nerdy wildcard 13:01:09 <peter1138> not really 13:01:14 <peter1138> it's not a regex... 13:01:18 <UserErr0r> hah. 13:01:32 <hylje> wuts wrong with regexpes 13:01:36 <XeryusTC> <@peter1138> XeryusTC: it starts at 0 ;p <- make it 3 then >:( 13:03:48 *** lws|Away is now known as lws1983 13:03:52 *** lws1983 is now known as lws1984 13:07:13 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:15:28 <peter1138> these large airports are silly 13:15:39 <peter1138> what i need is a 'freight' airport 13:15:44 <peter1138> long and thin 13:15:53 <peter1138> hmm 13:20:14 <Zevensoft> military 13:20:42 <Zevensoft> kinda like a double long small airport 13:20:53 <Zevensoft> *twice as long 13:22:32 <Naksu> tbh 13:22:39 <Naksu> airports in ttd are pretty broken 13:30:15 <XeryusTC> peter1138: is the commuter airport what you want? 13:31:28 <peter1138> no, still too wide 13:36:09 *** Ammler [~Ammler@31-37.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 13:36:12 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:09 *** izhirahider [~izhirahid@izhirahider.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37:21 *** izhirahider [~izhirahid@squareroot.divisionbyzero.net] has joined #openttd 13:41:28 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47:58 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-252-215.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 13:48:01 *** Ammler [~Ammler@31-37.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:51:38 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-181-89.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:52:32 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-181-89.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [] 14:01:56 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Think I'm just too white n' nerdy] 14:11:49 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-225-16.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12:18 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-225-16.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:39:21 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3E1C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:45:47 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3DEE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:46:58 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:47:35 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 14:55:28 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 15:01:07 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 15:06:23 *** CaptObvious [~matt@cpc2-darl2-0-0-cust28.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 15:14:15 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 15:19:39 <Tron> heya, mr egladil 15:20:07 <egladil> hi 15:21:37 <Tron> the 32bpp blitter is your work? 15:21:53 <egladil> yeah 15:23:07 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:24:51 <Tron> do you make use of RLE compression for the fully transparent parts? 15:27:13 <egladil> no 15:38:08 <lefti> i don't see PBS on 0.5.0 roadmap :-(, is it because i haven't good eyes or because you don't like it? 15:38:34 <glx> lefti: because it's not done yet 15:39:25 <egladil> Tron: if you have any ideas for implementing it i would love to hear them, but i'm a bit short on time right now 15:39:43 <Tron> i have actual code 15:40:25 <helb> Hello, I have MiniIN r7045 now and it's posible to change start year ever to zero. It's a bug or feature? :) 15:40:35 * peter1138 ponders rating road vehicles 15:40:36 <hylje> feature 15:40:40 <peter1138> speed * capacity? 15:40:42 <hylje> date can go from 0 to 5 million 15:40:51 <hylje> it used to be 1920-251 15:40:53 <hylje> 2051 15:42:05 <helb> OK, thanks. 15:42:07 <peter1138> that reminds me 15:44:32 <egladil> Tron: ok 15:46:44 <egladil> well, as i said i'm a bit busy right now can i get back to you on that later tonight if you have time then? 15:46:47 <Tron> http://tron.homeunix.org/blit/ , if you're interested 15:46:59 <egladil> ok, thanks 15:48:27 * peter1138 ponders an 'automatic' start date 15:48:49 <peter1138> set the start date to the introduction date of the first vehicle. or something. 15:50:44 <Tron> call it new date! 15:50:45 <Tron> nono 15:50:47 <Tron> magic date! 15:52:19 <XeryusTC> magic dates! 15:52:33 <XeryusTC> let's call everything magic 15:52:36 <XeryusTC> magic stations! 15:52:38 <XeryusTC> magic houses! 15:52:39 <Tron> magic magic! 15:52:41 <hylje> s/new/magic/ 15:52:46 <peter1138> magic bridges ;/ 15:52:57 <hylje> they are. 15:52:58 <XeryusTC> magicgrf! 15:53:00 <Neonox> magic language! 15:53:05 <Tron> i'd call that zomg-bridges-in-two-bits 15:53:09 <hylje> MagicTTD 15:53:14 <peter1138> KUDr: bug related to gettiletrackstatus: ai tries to build through the back of depots 15:53:16 <hylje> i mean, MagicMMM 15:53:26 <Tron> <peter1138> KUDr: bug related to gettiletrackstatus: ai tries to build through the back of depots <--- *sigh* 15:53:33 <Tron> i said it so many times 15:54:04 <KUDr> peter1138: i will look at it 15:54:05 <Tron> setting trackbits for depots/road stops simply gives problems 15:54:30 <KUDr> Tron: right but i promised i will deal with them 15:54:46 <KUDr> as it is cleaner 15:55:07 <hylje> hackery 15:55:10 <KUDr> rail depots have also track inside 15:55:11 <peter1138> well... you just end up moving special cases from one place to another 15:55:20 <Sacro> Tron: i like the idea of using zomg 15:55:40 <Sacro> peter1138! zomgcargos! 15:55:41 <Tron> KUDr: no, it's not cleaner 15:55:48 <KUDr> peter1138: true, but it is more consistent across transport types 15:56:21 <KUDr> Tron: then we should remove the track also from rail depots 15:56:31 <KUDr> and will have the similar probs 15:56:37 <Tron> there is no way to enter and leave a rail depot on 2 different edges 15:56:50 <Tron> yes, rail depots, road stops, road depots 15:56:59 <Tron> they should all return 0 15:57:08 <peter1138> anything with an entrance only on one side 15:57:09 <KUDr> what is the difference between them? 15:57:18 <Tron> so the special casing is solely in the pathfinder 15:57:38 <KUDr> and controller 15:57:39 <Tron> and it's not really a special case either 15:57:45 <Tron> because it cannot cross these tiles 15:58:05 <Tron> it's either a dead end or the destination 15:58:09 <KUDr> but can enter (there can be a destination also) 15:58:10 *** Purno [~Purno@83.81.206.106] has joined #openttd 15:58:25 <Tron> when it's the destination it must already be handles specially 15:58:30 <KUDr> rail depot is not just dead end 15:58:46 <KUDr> trains can reverse there in different way 15:58:47 <Tron> otherwise we would see trains trying to enter depots from behind if a rail is accidently connected there 15:59:04 <jez> i love TTD's magical train depots 15:59:12 <jez> train with 100 carriages fits into 1 square :-) 15:59:23 * Sacro is going to write a patch for proper depots 15:59:36 <hylje> jez: its actually a large hole in the ground 15:59:37 <KUDr> Tron there is special handling for rail depots in AI 15:59:40 <jez> heh 15:59:45 <hylje> jez: and the trains are pushed down and up it 15:59:47 <KUDr> so why not for road depots 15:59:51 <KUDr> it is the same 15:59:56 <hylje> jez: thats why they leave and enter so slowly 16:00:27 <Sacro> underground depots? 16:00:45 <KUDr> there is simply no logical difference between both depot types 16:02:38 <Tron> tel 16:16:24 <peter1138> either way 16:16:29 <peter1138> this one needs fixing cos it's common 16:16:51 <peter1138> yay, ai using george's lvs 16:17:02 <peter1138> now we just need a vehicle set that isn't the wrong size... 16:17:19 <Sacro> hovs? 16:17:53 <peter1138> is not complete :( 16:18:04 <peter1138> and is also broken 16:18:15 <Sacro> hmm 16:21:46 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 16:25:37 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:38 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@84.159.57.33] has joined #openttd 16:28:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:24 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! newcargos! 16:29:15 <peter1138> yes 16:29:19 <peter1138> what about it? 16:30:27 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 16:31:50 <Born_Acorn> It's new! 16:31:55 <Born_Acorn> and has cargos! 16:31:58 <Born_Acorn> Do not you see? 16:32:09 <peter1138> of course i see it 16:32:13 <peter1138> i've got it here in front of me 16:32:26 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:32:47 <Born_Acorn> But have you? 16:33:03 <Born_Acorn> I thought you only had a monitor displaying it there in front of you! 16:35:29 <peter1138> well yes 16:35:35 <peter1138> what more do you need? 16:36:10 <peter1138> well 16:36:14 <peter1138> what more do i need? 16:41:40 <Sacro> peter1138: to commit it to svn 16:43:30 <Born_Acorn> Yes! So we can know the support is there but not use it in any way! 16:46:38 <KUDr> peter1138: do you have some savegame where this bug occurs? 16:46:55 <KUDr> or better to say "will occur" 16:47:34 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 16:47:36 *** lefti [~lefti@igw1.zrnko.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48:00 <peter1138> KUDr: no 16:48:04 *** lefti [~lefti@81.31.45.161] has joined #openttd 16:48:14 <peter1138> i just started a new game with 7 (old) AIs 16:48:17 <peter1138> wait a bit 16:48:26 <peter1138> and it'll happen 16:49:35 <Sacro> :( oh dear... 16:51:01 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 16:52:03 <jez> hmm 16:52:11 <jez> sounds like a scriptable AI could fix that more easily 16:53:36 <KUDr> peter1138: and was it road depot? 16:53:42 <peter1138> yes 16:53:48 <KUDr> ok 16:53:49 <peter1138> oh, i disabled everything else for ai 16:54:08 <peter1138> so it only uses road 16:54:15 <peter1138> probably makes it happen sooner 16:54:34 <KUDr> ahh 16:54:52 <KUDr> the 'disables' work for old AI too? 16:55:30 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 16:55:44 <peter1138> yes 16:56:01 <KUDr> didnt know that :) 16:57:54 <peter1138> the new AI only uses road vehicles anyway... :) 17:00:50 <KUDr> true 17:02:13 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 17:06:25 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-252-215.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 17:06:36 <jez> new AI? 17:06:40 <jez> what is this talk of new AI? 17:07:01 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-20-175.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 17:11:01 <peter1138> well 17:11:03 <peter1138> the old new AI 17:11:21 <peter1138> this is what comes of calling things "new"... 17:11:31 <peter1138> npf... new path finder o_O 17:14:34 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F214.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14:58 <glx> what was the 'N' in NTP ? 17:15:13 <smeding> network, no? 17:15:34 <Sacro> network 17:15:51 <Sacro> or new... 17:16:03 <KUDr> new train pf 17:16:12 <Sacro> heh, i thought network time protocol 17:16:21 <KUDr> aha 17:19:37 <smeding> heh, same here 17:19:52 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-235-21.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:20:52 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-163-125.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 17:24:27 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176102101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:26:22 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:26:27 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-181-89.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:26:36 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-181-89.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 17:33:13 <Sacro> !calc 750*6 17:33:15 <_42_> Sacro: 4500; 17:33:31 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-250-223.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 17:33:36 <hylje> !calc 1/0 17:33:38 <_42_> hylje: Runtime error (func=(main), adr=3): Divide by zero; 17:33:43 <chu_> re 17:40:45 *** Xeryus|slaap [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 17:40:45 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:12 <Tron> hm, the benchmarking was fun 17:43:25 <Tron> now we try it with optimisations switched on 17:43:27 <Tron> *cough* 17:48:43 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 17:57:50 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-250-223.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:49 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-250-223.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 18:01:00 *** Xeryus|slaap is now known as XeryusTC 18:04:58 *** hrshgn [~hrshgn@gw.ptr-80-238-227-37.customer.ch.netstream.com] has joined #openttd 18:06:01 <hrshgn> Hi, can anyone tell me what the function GB in openttd does? 18:06:20 <chu_> GB is get bits 18:06:24 <Sacro> get bits 18:06:31 <Sacro> and its not a function afaik its a macro 18:06:43 <chu_> macros.h:#define GB(x, s, n) (((x) >> (s)) & ((1U << (n)) - 1)) 18:07:10 <hrshgn> thanks a lot 18:07:24 <chu_> it extracts n bits from x, starting at s 18:07:50 <chu_> this n bits are moved to the lowest bits of the result 18:08:13 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176102101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:08:48 <hrshgn> ah, i see 18:09:33 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176120124.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:18:22 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2EveOnline 18:24:16 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F214.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:15 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0F40B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:30:31 <chu_> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/386 <-small bug in station filter (two missing equal signs) 18:31:09 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0F40B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:30 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0F40B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:32:57 <chu_> one question to the regular players - how do you cope with old vehichles? 18:35:06 <jez> the originals from TTD? 18:35:09 <jez> they're the best! :-) 18:38:09 <peter1138> ` 18:38:15 <peter1138> n7yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy6 18:38:18 <peter1138> 18:38:21 <peter1138> n 18:38:27 <chu_> no i mean, what do you do, when your vehicles get old 18:38:49 <jez> autoreplace? 18:38:53 <chu_> do you use the patch-function for autoreplacing or do you replace them manually? 18:39:01 <jez> definitely not manually :-) 18:39:20 <chu_> or do you even turn off vehicle-aging 18:39:28 <jez> not me 18:39:32 <Sacro> peter1138: ? 18:39:47 <chu_> i have more than 300 vehicles in my game 18:39:58 <chu_> every "year" more than 20 "get old" 18:40:04 <peter1138> desk cleaning :o 18:40:37 * peter1138 either gets them replaced automatically or ignores the messages 18:40:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:54 <jez> ignore? so you have them breaking down every 2 squares? :-) 18:41:00 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.227] has joined #openttd 18:41:02 <chu_> peter1138 but when you ignore this messages, the vehicles start to break down 18:41:05 <peter1138> what? 18:41:11 <peter1138> who plays with breakdowns enabled? 18:41:21 <jez> people who arent playing in a boring sandbox 18:41:25 <peter1138> they breakdown every 2 squares even when they're brand new... 18:41:31 <jez> erm, no 18:41:35 <chu_> peter1138: that is not true 18:41:36 <jez> depends on reliability 18:41:49 <jez> some diesels get to reliability 98% or something 18:41:52 <jez> virtually never break down 18:42:35 <chu_> jez: the auto-replace feature can be reached via "configure patches" - there you can turn on, that a vehicle, wich gets old, is replaces by a vehicle of the same type 18:42:52 <jez> did i not know that? 18:42:54 <chu_> jez: but this is either on or off - for all types of vehicles 18:43:26 <CIA-1> KUDr * r7069 /trunk/ (ai/default/default.c pathfind.c): -Fix: AI tried to build road from the back or side of road stop/depot (peter1138) 18:43:51 <chu_> this is bad, especially, when one wants to convert from e-rail to monorail or maglevs 18:44:09 <jez> i find it's very rarely a problem 18:44:20 <jez> it'd only be annoying if it autoreplaced just before you wanted to upgrade 18:44:26 <jez> otherwise autoreplacing is almost always a good idea 18:44:48 <peter1138> even then the resale value is still high 18:44:51 <peter1138> so it's not that annoying 18:45:21 <jez> unlike my car's resale value 18:45:28 <Tron> !seen alltaken 18:45:28 <peter1138> quite 18:45:28 <_42_> Tron, Alltaken (~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net) was last seen quitting #openttd 2 days 8 hours 7 minutes ago (03.11. 10:38) stating "Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]" after spending 3 hours 25 minutes there. 18:46:38 <Tron> KUDr: are you sure the change in pathfind.c is correct? 18:46:44 <chu_> i do not use autoreplace, because i want to differenciate a bit in the selection of my vehicles 18:47:05 <KUDr> Tron: i hope so 18:47:11 <Tron> you HOPE? 18:47:22 <chu_> (is this still called autoreplace, wehre one can select from a list, where one vehicle get replaced with an other?) 18:47:40 <KUDr> Tron: i always hope - im not perfect 18:48:11 <Tron> at least you should be pretty sure 18:48:18 <Tron> hoping sounds you have no clue 18:48:33 <Tron> s/you/like you/ 18:48:34 <KUDr> i think it is correct 18:48:38 <peter1138> chu_: yes 18:48:42 <KUDr> but still i can be wrong 18:48:47 <peter1138> as distinct from autorenew 18:49:00 <Tron> *shrug* 18:49:01 <peter1138> (which is actually the same thing, but only to the same vehicle type) 18:49:21 <Tron> giving dead ends a track is just hassle 18:50:25 <peter1138> hmm, what happens for half road tiles? no track? 18:51:37 <KUDr> peter1138: don't understand - you mean GetTileTrackStatus() 18:51:45 <KUDr> ? 18:51:47 <chu_> peter1138: while you play with breakdowns disabled, it looks like autoreplace and autorenew are the same, but they are not 18:52:09 <chu_> peter1138: autoreplace replaces a vehicle as soon as its get into a depot - no matter how old it is 18:52:26 <chu_> peter1138: autorenew replaces a vehicle only if it's old enough 18:52:49 <Tron> peter1138: nope, nothing. road vehicles never enter these. they turn around before 18:53:24 <peter1138> Tron: i thought so 18:53:43 <peter1138> chu_: well yes 18:54:01 <jez> either we're being bombed, or it's fireworks night with fireworks 18:54:03 <jez> grr 18:54:34 <peter1138> heh 18:55:10 <jez> next door neighbour is having a bonfire 18:55:13 <jez> i can smell it. yuck 18:55:14 *** anboni [daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:55:25 *** anboni [daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:55:32 <jez> i wanna get drunk but there's this horrible project work i have to progress with by tomorrow 18:55:35 <jez> what a crap dilemma 19:01:27 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: ) td@projectjj.com - http://projectjj.com/ (] 19:02:10 * Eddi|zuHause2 fails to see the problem 19:07:26 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:14:03 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 19:14:18 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:26:25 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Away 19:49:01 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:52:11 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:01:09 <KUDr> all: customizable faces are ready to commit. Any objections against commiting it? ( http://bugs.openttd.org/task/351 ) 20:02:48 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:11 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 20:04:34 <KUDr> peter1138, glx, orudge, MiHaMiX, Darkvater, Celestar, Belugas_Gone: customizable faces are ready to commit. Any objections against commiting it? ( http://bugs.openttd.org/task/351 ) 20:07:06 <peter1138> yeah 20:09:24 *** Bear [~IceChat7@pool-68-163-50-204.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:28 *** Bear [~IceChat7@pool-68-163-50-204.phil.east.verizon.net] has left #openttd [] 20:09:42 <peter1138> the snprintf / buffer thing 20:09:52 <peter1138> should be a SetDParam and a string with {NUM} in it 20:10:07 <KUDr> ahh 20:10:21 <peter1138> we also have DrawStringCentered 20:10:38 <peter1138> or DrawStringCenteredTruncated 20:10:43 <peter1138> (or something similar) 20:11:05 <KUDr> thanks 20:11:30 <Tron> Randomi_s_e in BE 20:11:45 <peter1138> coding style at case PFW_WIDGET_LOAD: /* Load click */ 20:12:17 <KUDr> ok 20:12:23 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:38 <KUDr> Tron: "Randomi_s_e" you mean the text on button? 20:13:30 <peter1138> all those accessors should return a FaceCode, not use a FaceCode pointer 20:13:50 <ln-> KUDr: customizable faces? ... do they have one or two earrings? 20:14:00 <KUDr> 3 20:14:13 <peter1138> three ears? :) 20:14:16 <KUDr> on one ear 20:14:27 <KUDr> left one 20:15:01 <peter1138> _player_face should probably be a FaceCOde 20:15:11 <peter1138> what is "qdID"? 20:15:39 <KUDr> some dialog id 20:15:44 <glx> if-then-else style in WE_ON_EDIT_TEXT 20:16:15 <KUDr> glx: thanx 20:16:40 <Tron> + if (i >= 0) i %= modulo; 20:16:41 <Tron> + else { 20:17:00 <KUDr> ok 20:18:03 <Tron> + if (_player_face == 0) {ShowErrorMessage(INVALID_STRING_ID, STR_FACE_LOAD_NOFAVE, 0, 0);} 20:18:04 <Tron> + else { 20:19:02 <Tron> what does the mumbo jumbo in WrapInt() mean? 20:19:25 <KUDr> i don'r see any mumbo jumbo 20:19:33 <jez> haha 20:19:36 <jez> mumbo jumbo 20:19:41 <Tron> most of the function 20:19:47 <jez> Tron: can i ask you something (no offence intended) 20:19:50 <jez> how well do you know C? 20:19:56 <KUDr> /** Integer wrapping helper function. Used by FaceCode high level accessors 20:19:56 <KUDr> * to wrap integer values into the range 0..<modulo-1>. */ 20:20:22 <Tron> can the parameters ever be negative? 20:20:29 <KUDr> it should wrap any int into the given range 20:20:48 <KUDr> modulo not 20:20:59 <KUDr> or shouldn't 20:21:05 <KUDr> i can be 20:21:45 <KUDr> modulo is lways numer of <any attribute type> 20:22:05 <KUDr> +a +b 20:22:49 <Tron> k 20:22:54 <Tron> given i is < 0 20:23:28 <Tron> then -i is > 0 (except for the most negative number on two complement machines, but this edge case can be ruled out) 20:24:01 <Tron> -i % modulo is always >= 0 20:24:12 <Tron> -(-i % modulo) <= 0 20:24:38 <KUDr> yes 20:24:39 <Tron> yikes 20:24:45 <KUDr> except for i == 0 20:25:09 <KUDr> so: 20:25:09 <KUDr> if (i < 0) i += modulo; 20:25:30 <KUDr> to fix it to positive 20:25:41 <Tron> something tells me i don't like it 20:25:48 <KUDr> me too 20:25:53 <jez> <@peter1138> what is "qdID"? 20:25:57 <jez> ^ query dialog ID 20:25:58 <KUDr> can you invent better way? 20:26:30 <jez> Tron: We English, in England, say Randomize 20:26:33 *** Zahl22 [~SENFGURKE@p549F3921.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:26:33 <glx> value % modulo should be enough 20:26:35 <jez> why should it be Randomise 20:26:36 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@84.159.57.33] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Zahl22))] 20:26:36 *** Zahl22 is now known as Zahl 20:26:41 <jez> that looks wrong to me 20:27:48 <KUDr> Brianetta wanter Randomise in TGP dialog 20:27:57 <KUDr> so it it should stay consistent 20:28:06 <KUDr> r->d 20:28:10 <jez> i'd respectfully disagree with his interpretation of the British English language 20:28:16 <jez> :_S 20:28:26 *** Zahl22 [~SENFGURKE@p549F3921.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:28:29 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F3921.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Zahl22))] 20:28:29 *** Zahl22 is now known as Zahl 20:28:35 <KUDr> i can't tell as i am czech 20:28:46 <jez> i can, as i'm a well-educated Englishman 20:29:02 <KUDr> in dictionary i have randomize 20:29:12 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-250-223.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 20:29:29 <KUDr> so i really dunno 20:29:52 <jez> believe me, 'ize' is commonly used in England and looks better 20:30:56 <chu_> yeha - i can generate a list of old vehicles 20:31:00 <Tron> emphasize? 20:31:03 <Tron> optimize? 20:31:11 <jez> ? 20:31:27 <jez> i would use both those spellings 20:31:31 <peter1138> burglarized! 20:31:35 <jez> hah 20:31:42 <jez> now that's an amzericanism 20:31:43 <Tron> quantize? 20:31:44 <jez> :-) 20:34:28 <peter1138> anyway, i know Darkvater is against having a face customiser 20:34:33 <jez> argh 20:34:35 <peter1138> or is that customizer 20:34:36 <jez> you see KUDr 20:34:43 <jez> i told you about this 20:34:45 <peter1138> also 20:35:05 <peter1138> never mind that the code is different 20:35:23 <peter1138> but previous... attitudes haven't helped 20:35:51 <jez> peter1138: we've worked hard and you're still being anal because i had trouble accepting the coding guidelines?> 20:35:53 <jez> geez 20:35:55 <jez> get oiver it. 20:35:56 <jez> *over 20:36:04 <KUDr> the previous drawing routine was really messy 20:36:11 <Tron> KUDr: given the range of the inputs: return (i + modulo) % modulo; 20:36:39 <ln-> can't you do something more useful than a face customiser? 20:36:54 <jez> ohh this is good 20:36:54 <jez> haha 20:37:10 <KUDr> Tron: looks good if i >= -modulo (which now is so) 20:37:11 *** Zahl22 [~SENFGURKE@p549F3921.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:37:11 <jez> im not even gonna answer that 20:37:14 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F3921.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Zahl22))] 20:37:14 *** Zahl22 is now known as Zahl 20:37:51 <KUDr> ln-: i can but first i would like to finish it 20:38:01 <KUDr> did you see the original code? 20:38:16 <jez> i would suggest 20:38:21 <jez> in english.txt 20:38:22 <jez> STR_RANDOM :{BLACK}Randomise 20:38:23 <jez> -> 20:38:23 <KUDr> now the patch looks totally different inside 20:38:24 <jez> STR_RANDOM :{BLACK}Randomize 20:38:37 <jez> ise is ugly and not many people use it 20:39:54 <ln-> Tron: when will we see all three climates on one single map? 20:40:15 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-065-61.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 20:42:32 <Tron> every 32bit number is a valid face number? 20:42:34 <XeryusTC> (i + modulo) % modulo <- isn't that basicly the same as (i % modulo)+1 20:42:47 <Tron> no 20:43:03 <XeryusTC> wait, +0 even :P 20:43:07 <Tron> if at all it would be the same as i % modulo 20:43:26 <XeryusTC> yes, see my correction ^ :P 20:43:51 <Tron> see the time stamps 20:44:26 <XeryusTC> you were 4 seconds later than me on my machine 20:44:32 <KUDr> Tron: any number can currently come as i 20:44:40 <Tron> %cat t2.c 20:44:40 <Tron> main() { printf("%d\n", -1 % 2); } 20:44:40 <Tron> %make t2 20:44:40 <Tron> cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=athlon-xp t2.c -o t2 20:44:40 <Tron> %./t2 20:44:43 <Tron> -1 20:44:48 <KUDr> but not all FaceCodes are valid 20:45:33 <XeryusTC> anyway, im afk again 20:46:19 <Tron> is it guaranteed that none of the arrays is accesed oob? 20:46:37 <KUDr> yes 20:46:40 <Tron> fore example FaceGetNose() extracts 3 bits 20:46:49 <Tron> but white_female_nose_sprites[] just has 3 entries 20:46:54 <KUDr> there is called the clamping before it 20:47:20 <peter1138> 3 bits for 3 entries? 20:47:21 <peter1138> hmm 20:47:34 <jez> heh 20:47:36 <Tron> + int nose = FaceGetNose(face); 20:47:36 <KUDr> /* Validate other face attributes if they are out of range */ 20:47:37 <Tron> + SpriteID nose_sprite = (gender_ethnicity != FC_CF) ? (first_nose_sprites[gender_ethnicity] + nose) : white_female_nose_sprites[nose]; 20:47:37 <KUDr> FaceChangeGenderEthnicity(&face, 0); 20:47:42 <peter1138> oh, more entries for different gender & colou 20:47:44 <peter1138> +r 20:48:31 <KUDr> FaceChangeGenderEthnicity(&face, 0) clamps them into range 20:49:12 <Tron> k 20:49:32 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 20:49:50 <KUDr> <peter1138> 3 bits for 3 entries? << 3 values are there in case of white woman 20:50:05 *** hrshgn [~hrshgn@gw.ptr-80-238-227-37.customer.ch.netstream.com] has left #openttd [] 20:50:31 <jez> he noticed 20:50:49 <KUDr> i see 20:51:04 <XeryusTC> <jez> ise is ugly and not many people use it <- ise is british english IIRC, ize is american, which also happens to have its own language file... 20:51:22 <jez> disagree. ize is used extensively in the UK 20:51:24 <KUDr> so except the WrapInt() we can do all suggested changes 20:51:33 <Tron> + snprintf(buffer, 512, "%u", value); 20:51:35 <jez> no matter what the dictionary says :-) 20:51:36 <Tron> _NEVER_ do that 20:51:47 <Tron> never hardcode the buffer length this way 20:51:58 <Tron> it totally makes the use of snprintf() moot 20:52:04 <KUDr> where it was? 20:52:14 <KUDr> must be from jez and i overlooked it 20:52:26 <jez> lol 20:52:58 <KUDr> huh i see it 20:52:59 <jez> Tron: of course it doesnt 20:53:06 <jez> only if some idiot comes and changes the length of buffer 20:53:21 <XeryusTC> jez: ize is not official british english, so those english people are just being stupid 20:53:22 <KUDr> jez - it is really bad style 20:53:39 <Tron> it's not only bad style, it's bogus 20:53:45 <jez> XeryusTC: there is no 'official' british english. we are not french, we do not have an institute to dictate how we spell 20:53:46 <KUDr> if you want do do code that will never be maintained, then you can do so 20:53:51 <jez> ize is FREQUENTLY used in british english 20:53:55 <jez> my dad uses it and he's a lawyer 20:53:56 <KUDr> but ottd must be maintanable 20:53:58 <Tron> +static void DrawFaceStringLabel(Window *w, uint32 widgno, StringID attribute, uint32 value) { 20:54:16 <peter1138> argh 20:54:29 <peter1138> just made a loaf of bread for tomorrow 20:54:30 <jez> randomize, emphasize, optimize, quantize 20:54:37 <peter1138> it is *so* tempting to eat it now 20:54:38 <jez> i would definitely spell all those words that way 20:54:44 <jez> and i am mother-tongue British 20:54:45 <KUDr> ohh repaired 20:54:49 <KUDr> thanks 20:54:52 <XeryusTC> jez: lawyers are stupid (no offence meant) 20:55:03 <XeryusTC> jez: it doesnt matter if it is your mother tongue 20:55:07 <jez> he is pretty damn good at spelling and grammer 20:55:08 <jez> *grammar 20:55:10 <XeryusTC> look at ben_robbins 20:55:34 <jez> and im sorry but there is no such thing as 'official' EN-GB 20:55:41 <jez> it's changing all the time 20:55:47 <hylje> OH, REALLY? 20:55:49 <Born_Acorn> Well my dad is made from spare ribs and flies around all day and he says "ize" is for Americans! 20:55:50 <hylje> ARE YOU SERIOUS? 20:55:56 <chu_> hehe - now i can send only old vehicles to the depots :-) 20:55:58 <hylje> I THOUGHT THE LANGUAGES WERE LIKE THAT IN THE BEGINNING 20:56:07 <jez> apparently, French was 20:56:21 <XeryusTC> jez: if it wasn't changing all the time it would belong in the same row as latin and greek... 20:56:30 <jez> quite 20:56:37 <jez> ise is an old-fashioned spelling 20:56:44 <jez> ize has adopted very widespread usage 20:56:52 <jez> no way does 'randomise' look right to me 20:57:09 <XeryusTC> ize is american, and everyone adopts americans because they are butt kissing b*stards 20:57:18 <Born_Acorn> XeryusTC is right 20:57:21 <jez> true. we have tended to adopt the US spelling 20:57:22 <XeryusTC> and americans also tend to dominate the internets 20:58:09 <Tron> it's "teh intarwebz" 20:58:13 <Tron> and it's made of tubes! 20:58:20 <jez> a series of tubes 20:58:25 <jez> they're in series 20:58:30 <hylje> no, parallel 20:58:55 <Born_Acorn> jez, which area do you live? 20:59:01 <jez> i've moved about 20:59:11 <jez> started in Buckinghamshire, went to London, now Middlesbrough 20:59:15 <hylje> the road is not made to be running about! 20:59:15 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:18 <Born_Acorn> Just that I've never seen anyone use "ize" before. 20:59:25 <jez> well i have 20:59:26 <XeryusTC> btw: <Born_Acorn> XeryusTC is right <- Born_Acorn is always right, for he has an total annihilation avatar! (IIRC) 20:59:27 <Born_Acorn> Unless they are non-GB 20:59:32 <jez> randomize, emphasize, optimize, quantize 20:59:35 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 20:59:37 <jez> you would spell all them 'ise'? 20:59:40 <Born_Acorn> Yes. 20:59:42 <jez> i would naturally spell them 'ize' 20:59:45 <jez> *shrug* 20:59:49 <DarkSSH> KUDr: you know how I feel about customizable faces 21:00:01 <XeryusTC> optimize looks worse than optimise imho 21:00:08 <jez> not imo 21:00:19 <KUDr> DarkSSH: i share your feeling 21:00:34 <hylje> http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1162759395525.jpg pic somewhat related 21:00:40 <jez> oh god here it goes 21:01:02 <KUDr> but still i think we can accept the presence of it as the price for new and much better drawing routine 21:01:20 <DarkSSH> he? 21:01:35 <KUDr> did you see the new patch? 21:01:38 <DarkSSH> that can be done without the customization if really needed 21:01:42 <KUDr> it is totally different one 21:02:22 <KUDr> DarkSSH: not so easy - with the original bit layout in the uint32 face code 21:02:52 <peter1138> why has it changed? 21:03:07 <KUDr> it was complicated and messy 21:03:12 <peter1138> and if it has changed, what about my old games? 21:03:17 <jez> hahaha 21:03:21 <jez> suddenly you care about faces 21:03:23 <KUDr> lot of math needed to descramble it 21:06:40 <DarkSSH> definitely not before 0.5 21:07:43 <KUDr> hmm 21:07:43 <jez> oh, that's funny 21:07:55 <jez> bjarni's crappy stuff for depots gets in 21:07:59 <KUDr> so it will not be in 0.5 21:08:02 <jez> nobody raises an eyebrow 21:08:14 <jez> he didnt even consult anyone 21:08:58 <KUDr> jez: there is one difference: custom faces are 'bit' useless 21:09:00 <Born_Acorn> I've heard this bit before! 21:09:01 <ln-> is it the "insult Bjarni day" again? 21:09:42 <jez> why not? 21:09:46 <KUDr> hopefully not because then i will be responsible for it 21:09:50 <jez> he puts a load of crap in that people dont like and it's still there 21:09:52 <jez> not reverted 21:09:57 <jez> vater does nothing but whinge 21:10:12 * Born_Acorn forsees something 21:10:47 <DarkSSH> jez: ok, got anything else? 21:11:03 <jez> regarding? 21:12:13 <DarkSSH> bitching 21:12:15 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 21:12:19 <DarkSSH> I've already told you about bjarni 21:12:32 <jez> he has special powers? 21:13:20 *** Rens2EveOnline is now known as Rens2Sea 21:13:44 *** goombnny [~3efe400e@ginnypig.net] has joined #openttd 21:15:03 <Born_Acorn> I can't see him, so he must be invisible! 21:15:06 <Born_Acorn> wow! 21:15:36 <KUDr> 'stealth' power 21:15:53 <KUDr> or is it called 'cloaking' 21:16:59 <XeryusTC> DarkSSH! http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/blog/files/patches/talk_to_team_final.patch 21:17:16 <XeryusTC> not that it is quite an old patch ;) 21:17:48 <XeryusTC> not=note 21:19:43 <goombnny> I'm Boomingranny from the forums 21:19:45 <goombnny> hello 21:19:50 <peter1138> XeryusTC: isn't that a bit out of date? 21:19:59 <XeryusTC> <XeryusTC> not that it is quite an old patch ;) 21:20:13 <DarkSSH> XeryusTC: so what is it for? 21:20:24 <XeryusTC> DarkSSH: the little team chat problem ;) 21:20:34 <goombnny> jez: are you here? 21:20:39 <DarkSSH> please, be more verbose, I am tired 21:20:56 <jez> goombnny: lol 21:21:03 <jez> goombnny: you've never been in here before 21:21:04 <XeryusTC> openttd changing to team chat automaticly when you're with 2 or more people in a company 21:21:22 <XeryusTC> although the patch was meant to make team talking easier 21:22:00 <jez> goombnny: late in New Zealand? 21:22:09 <Zavior> A shift + enter talk to all and enter to talk to the team would be nice 21:22:12 <Zavior> Like in wc3w 21:22:24 <XeryusTC> Zavior: it's like that now 21:22:28 <goombnny> 10am mate 21:22:32 <Zavior> Oh, right :D 21:22:41 <XeryusTC> but i would like an option to let ottd remember that i want to talk to all 21:22:50 <jez> goombnny: heh, it's half 9 here 21:22:50 <DarkSSH> XeryusTC: ok so what does it do? 21:22:51 <jez> pm 21:22:59 <DarkSSH> XeryusTC: eg WC3 style with chat-window? 21:23:04 <XeryusTC> no 21:23:43 <XeryusTC> it has an patch option which allows you to talk to switch team/all chat automaticly 21:24:34 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176120124.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 21:25:06 <goombnny> jez: just looking at your patch, version 10. cool :-) 21:25:46 <XeryusTC> guess what! explorer just crashed! 21:25:58 <Born_Acorn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynmouth#The_Lynmouth_Lifeboat :O 21:26:25 <hylje> maybe a patch option to toggle chat default behaviour 21:26:31 <hylje> 1. always to all 21:26:45 <hylje> 2. team if applicable 21:26:59 <hylje> then a separate toggle to override that ingame 21:27:18 <DarkSSH> XeryusTC: hmm I don't like the patch 21:27:26 *** chu_ [~chu@chu.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de] has left #openttd [] 21:27:47 <DarkSSH> only ENTER should be changed, CTRL+enter and SHIFT+enter need to always be all/team respectively 21:27:51 *** Purno [~Purno@83.81.206.106] has quit [Quit: Purno has spoken] 21:27:55 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:08 <goombnny> jez: when is it going in?| 21:28:13 <jez> goombnny: not sure 21:28:24 <hylje> yes, ^enter and ENTER should be overrides 21:28:29 <hylje> and not affected by anything 21:28:29 <ln-> what about RETURN? 21:28:41 <XeryusTC> DarkSSH: i thought you devs never applied a patch clean as it was delivered, you guys always make changes 21:29:02 <jez> XeryusTC: they never apply a patch for anyone who hasnt sucked them off yet 21:29:07 <jez> sorry 21:29:20 <XeryusTC> heh, im used to that 21:29:57 <DarkSSH> XeryusTC: it depends :). But I want your rationale behind changing shift+enter 21:30:00 <DarkSSH> hmm wait 21:30:10 <jez> nooo, you want your dicky sucked 21:30:11 <DarkSSH> this patch predates my changes, right? 21:30:12 <DarkSSH> hehe 21:30:17 *** jez was kicked from #openttd by DarkSSH [ok, fuck off] 21:30:17 *** jez [tumbler@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:30:22 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*tumbler@*.midd.cable.ntl.com] by DarkSSH 21:30:24 <Zavior> fail'd 21:30:29 <XeryusTC> DarkSSH: yes 21:30:30 <DarkSSH> fucking retard 21:30:36 *** jez was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [i slipped] 21:30:36 <goombnny> ooh, bit harsh there dark 21:30:43 <XeryusTC> it's r61xx 21:31:10 <goombnny> i thought his patch was good 21:31:11 <XeryusTC> or r6176 to be precise 21:31:14 <peter1138> the chat stuff got revamped later than that 21:31:28 <goombnny> he expanded on mine 21:31:39 <DarkSSH> yeah cause I see shift+enter there added...hehe 21:31:42 <XeryusTC> <XeryusTC> note that it is quite an old patch ;) <- look back 21:32:11 <peter1138> XeryusTC: yes, but it's so old we can only guess at what the intended changes are 21:32:15 <peter1138> against trunk, that is 21:32:45 <XeryusTC> peter1138: i don't quite understand that, could you replace? 21:33:08 <DarkSSH> hmm, how do I unban? 21:33:54 <peter1138> i don't think you can ;) 21:34:02 <hylje> /unban 1 21:34:07 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*tumbler@*.midd.cable.ntl.com] by DarkSSH 21:34:10 *** jez [tumbler@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:34:10 <DarkSSH> ah nice 21:34:21 <peter1138> quick join there 21:34:29 <hylje> autorejoin for the tie 21:34:42 <peter1138> XeryusTC: the change conflicts massively 21:34:48 <DarkSSH> is there a command for listing the banlist? 21:35:06 <peter1138> usually "/bans" 21:35:08 <DarkSSH> peter1138: doesn't matter, I can add YAPO myself as well 21:35:09 <XeryusTC> /banlist? 21:35:12 <peter1138> technically it's /mode #foo +b 21:35:17 <ln-> /ban 21:35:19 <DarkSSH> yeah /bans 21:35:29 <DarkSSH> /ban is also good 21:35:35 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:35:54 <peter1138> XeryusTC: check misc_gui.c:2349 and you'll see what i mean 21:35:57 <peter1138> err 21:35:58 <peter1138> main_gui.c 21:36:02 <ln-> jez: did you ever hear that "a kick is not an invite"? 21:37:19 <DarkSSH> XeryusTC: I have the chat thing on the todo list for 0.5 21:37:24 <XeryusTC> <XeryusTC> note that it is quite an old patch ;) <- look back <- look at http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Coopetition_Branch_Proposals and its history and you'll know what i mean 21:37:44 <DarkSSH> I just can't decide if it should be a YAPO, or a window ala WC3 style with chatlog 21:38:08 <XeryusTC> the console works well enough as a chatlog for me :) 21:38:12 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:38:15 <goombnny> darkssh: why for 0.5? 21:38:38 <peter1138> cos that's the next release... 21:38:46 <DarkSSH> cause I can imagine that enter changing can be annoying 21:38:54 <DarkSSH> and what peter1138 said if that was your question 21:39:01 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2F356.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:39:15 <goombnny> enter changing? 21:39:22 *** jttj [g0z78ugdmi@66.45.41.59] has joined #openttd 21:42:36 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Doom 21:46:00 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2D15E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:11 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Quit: Peace and Protection 4.22] 21:49:36 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk35@pc31.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 21:50:23 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc162.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by mikk36[EST]))] 21:50:24 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 21:50:38 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0DED9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:51:06 * peter1138 kicks CIA-1 21:51:14 <CIA-1> ow 21:53:27 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 21:53:32 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:54:52 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 21:55:03 <MeusH> hello 21:55:11 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 21:55:11 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0F40B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:55:54 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84F05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:55:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:57:15 *** lefti [~lefti@81.31.45.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:36 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7070 /trunk/ai/ (default/default.c trolly/build.c): -Codechange: Make the AI choose road vehicles based on a rating (currently max speed * capacity) instead of either the cost or the index of the vheicle. 22:01:15 <peter1138> better late than never 22:01:48 <DarkSSH> :) 22:02:06 *** Szandor [~2@host86-136-88-116.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:02:23 <CIA-1> glx * r7071 /branches/MiniIN/ (25 files in 6 dirs): [MiniIN] -Sync with trunk r7032:r7070 22:03:24 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 22:03:56 <jez> DarkSSH: what's the problem with custom faces anyway 22:03:59 <jez> the code works fine 22:04:11 <jez> several ppl on forums want it 22:04:24 <jez> no one but you has a problem with it 22:05:28 <ln-> jez: it doesn't work that way. 22:05:36 *** jttj [g0z78ugdmi@66.45.41.59] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)] 22:05:57 <jez> then what bloody way does it work? 22:06:03 <jez> it doesnt work as far as i can tell 22:06:51 <ln-> by "it" i mean the process of getting one's patch accepted. 22:07:12 <jez> my question stands 22:08:18 <ln-> as a general rule, patches do not get accepted. so forget it. with some luck, some might occasionally be accepted anyway. 22:08:22 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.120.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:53 <jez> ok 22:09:00 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 22:09:00 <jez> so maybe you should post a sticky in the forum 22:09:09 <jez> "anytime you see someone suggest you write a patch, forget it 22:09:13 <jez> "it wont get accepted" 22:09:16 <jez> or the like 22:09:28 <Sacro> right /me has caught up 22:09:45 <peter1138> dumb de dumb 22:10:01 <jez> "i know we say it's open, but that means you can go play it on your own with customizations, we're selfish pricks who have a control complex and won't even accept a good patch you've worked hard on" 22:10:05 <jez> that would be pretty appropriate 22:10:27 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-214.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:11:07 <MeusH> ln- You're right about that unwritten rule which says that patches to not get accepted 22:11:09 <MeusH> but why? 22:13:05 * peter1138 reverts MeusH's measurement patch ;p 22:13:16 <MeusH> XD 22:13:22 <MeusH> well 22:13:23 <MeusH> kinda 22:13:28 <MeusH> :S 22:13:56 <MeusH> come on ln- speak :p 22:15:14 <blathijs> "ou're right about that unwritten rule which says that patches to not get accepted" <-- Parse error 22:15:26 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:15:41 <Sacro> blathijs: :o you killed Turksi's terminal 22:15:53 <blathijs> w00ps 22:16:12 <Sacro> blathijs: why do i feel that w00ps should have a smile underneath 22:17:02 <ln-> MeusH: i don't know why, but at least i'm not making the decisions. 22:17:30 * peter1138 ponders reverting all mart3p's patches too 22:17:32 <ln-> jez: it's open source, you can make a fork and apply any patches you want to. 22:17:46 <blathijs> Sacro: There is a smile, just look closely ;-p 22:18:02 <Sacro> blathijs: it looks like some kind of alien... 22:18:10 <jez> ln-: i dont see how that goes against my suggested sticky post 22:18:19 <jez> "i know we say it's open, but that means you can go play it on your own with customizations, we're selfish pricks who have a control complex and won't even accept a good patch you've worked hard on" 22:18:33 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:18:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o Tron] by ChanServ 22:18:42 <blathijs> Problem is that "good patch" is very dependent on point of view 22:18:46 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*tumbler@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] by Tron 22:18:46 *** jez was kicked from #openttd by Tron [jez] 22:18:46 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:07 <blathijs> Also, determining that patch is actually "good" takes time... 22:19:34 *** lefti [~lefti@igw1.zrnko.cz] has joined #openttd 22:19:36 <Sacro> blathijs: the problem is, is theres no specific process for actually getting a patch included 22:19:46 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7072 /trunk/ai/trolly/build.c: -Fix (r7070): Go up, not down, through the engines. And replace the comment too... 22:20:23 <blathijs> Sacro: Which is a problem from a user pov, but works pretty good from a developer perspective :-) 22:20:38 <Sacro> blathijs: but the users are rebelling 22:21:03 <goombnny> your opensource development model sucks 22:21:13 <blathijs> Part of the problem is also that actually applying a patch is less work, but also less fun than coding something new 22:21:38 <blathijs> especially if the area of the patch does not interest the developer in question at all 22:21:51 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*3efe400e@ginnypig.net] by Tron 22:21:51 *** goombnny was kicked from #openttd by Tron [goombnny] 22:21:53 <Sacro> blathijs: but people spend a lot of time coding new things, and they either a) get ignored, or b) hacked, and rewritten, and then included weeks later 22:21:55 <Tron> who wants to be next? 22:22:11 <Tron> thought so 22:22:27 <blathijs> Tron: That's a little rash, though the word "sucks" wasn't really in order, I admit :-) 22:22:31 <Tron> Sacro: what exactly is the problem with b? 22:22:38 <Sacro> Tron: not me, but sometimes you need a devils advocate to point things out 22:23:10 <Tron> that's not an answer to my question, isn't it? 22:23:23 <Sacro> Tron: i know... im thinking of a suitable reply 22:23:26 <peter1138> problem with b is some people don't like it, they get arsey. when they get arsey, there is no way i will accept that patch 22:23:36 <Sacro> peter1138: exactly 22:23:36 <blathijs> :-) 22:24:03 <peter1138> people who feel it is their god-given right to have their patch included 22:24:22 <Sacro> there is MiniIN, but that doesnt seem to be supported by anyone but RichK, however it is nice that other people recently have been syncing it to trunk 22:24:32 <peter1138> and make snide remarks and digs at the devs 22:24:33 <Tron> peter1138: pah, then they should make IceWeaselTTD 22:24:47 <peter1138> iceweasel? 22:24:48 <peter1138> ohhh 22:24:49 <peter1138> yes 22:25:21 <peter1138> Sacro: i see more then just richk helping out with it (and not just syncing) 22:25:39 <Sacro> peter1138: its true, it has got better recently, it could do with its own forum really 22:26:06 <peter1138> yes, to save all those "use the miniin problem thread" replies... 22:26:16 <Sacro> yes, i think thats a bit harsh 22:26:27 <Sacro> i can see the whole idea, but shoving it all into one topic is getting really messy 22:26:41 <peter1138> um 22:26:53 <peter1138> is it bad to eat a whole pack of tictacs in one sitting? 22:27:25 <Sacro> peter1138: err... you'll have nice breath for a week 22:27:45 <peter1138> for the night, anyway 22:27:49 <peter1138> hmm, not such a bad ide.a.. 22:29:05 <Sacro> im hungry :( 22:31:29 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-181-89.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:31:33 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-181-89.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 22:31:49 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84F05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:32:58 <Sacro> its all gone quiet in here :( 22:33:17 <lws|Away> Yarrr! 22:33:25 *** lws|Away is now known as lws1984 22:33:42 <MeusH> welcome back monster :) 22:33:54 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82EED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:33:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:34:00 *** Zahl22 [~SENFGURKE@p549F3921.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:34:04 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F3921.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Zahl22))] 22:34:05 *** Zahl22 is now known as Zahl 22:34:08 <Sacro> lws1984: Yarr 22:34:22 * Sacro goes to harrass the oven 22:34:23 <Sacro> mmm fire 22:34:34 <MeusH> Sacro: http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=514789#514789 22:38:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 22:39:21 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5E9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:54 <ln-> is anyone interested in introducing new cargo types? 22:42:41 <peter1138> yes 22:42:43 <MeusH> yes 22:42:45 <peter1138> so i did it 22:43:10 <peter1138> well, with belugas as well 22:43:28 <DarkSSH> nah, unneeded 22:43:39 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 22:43:53 <peter1138> DarkSSH: what if i put a gui on it? 22:44:23 <ln-> DarkSSH: are you interested in removing some of the existing cargo types? :) 22:44:29 <peter1138> ln-: MeusH: http://fuzzle.org/o/nothingtosee2.png 22:44:51 <DarkSSH> I don't want any newcargoes 22:44:53 <DarkSSH> p 22:44:53 <DarkSSH> e 22:44:53 <DarkSSH> r 22:44:56 <DarkSSH> i 22:44:58 <DarkSSH> o 22:45:01 <DarkSSH> d 22:45:03 <Sacro> . ? 22:45:25 <ln-> ok, nice. 22:45:26 <DarkSSH> :O 22:45:35 * Sacro prepares the move over to ttdpatch :( 22:45:46 <DarkSSH> peter1138: this gave me an idea...do we know the correct vehicle-sprite length when we draw? 22:45:50 <KUDr> DarkSSH: would be better if you make extra branch called "NoNewFeatures" for yourself :) 22:45:56 <peter1138> yeah 22:46:02 <DarkSSH> it would be good to offset that so it doesn't stick out the windows :) 22:46:08 <peter1138> heh 22:46:11 <DarkSSH> especially the details one 22:46:14 <KUDr> you make me really unhappy 22:46:15 <DarkSSH> KUDr: nonewfeatures = on 22:46:17 <DarkSSH> I like that :) 22:46:24 <DarkSSH> KUDr: I was sarcastic 22:46:29 <Sacro> can we rig svn, so that whenever DarkSSH does a checkout, it just gives him r1 22:46:31 <KUDr> so make extra branch for you 22:46:47 <KUDr> and don't try to stop evolution 22:46:51 <KUDr> it is crazy 22:47:01 <DarkSSH> KUDr: read up ^ 22:47:08 <KUDr> yes i read 22:47:13 <peter1138> good news is belugas has (or should've) been working on industries this weekend 22:47:14 <KUDr> but don't belive 22:47:19 <DarkSSH> ask peter1138 22:50:37 <peter1138> oh for fucks sake 22:50:46 <ln-> DarkSSH: what do you think about the idea of introducing the concept of countries? you know, we already even have "international" airports. 22:50:59 <Sacro> ln-: +1 vote :p 22:51:51 <ln-> but surely trains and ferries should be capable for international traffic too. 22:52:15 <DarkSSH> am I the boogieman now or what? 22:52:17 <Sacro> ln-: would we be able to have multiple newgrfs at once... eg UKRS+NARS+DBSETXL 22:52:19 <MeusH> ln- with regional influence of local authorities? 22:52:25 <DarkSSH> ln-: sure, go ahead, implement it 22:52:31 <DarkSSH> that should keep you quiet for a while ^^ 22:52:37 * peter1138 denies having worked on Sacro's request 22:52:50 <Sacro> peter1138: i know you have 22:52:54 <peter1138> although the bug was quite amusing 22:53:03 <peter1138> well, not bug, just "not finishedness" 22:53:07 <ln-> DarkSSH: i was asking your opinion. :) 22:53:10 <Sacro> peter1138: and it'd be a lot more convincing if you didnt point out your lack of trying :p 22:53:10 <peter1138> having multiple copies of the original vehicles... 22:53:26 <ln-> one developer has already said it's "an interesting idea". 22:53:28 <Sacro> i still like putting UKRS in 0.4.0.1 22:53:39 <peter1138> Sacro: how nasty is it? 22:53:53 <DarkSSH> when I say "interesting idea" it actually means....ok, I don't wanna offend you, but it sucks 22:53:54 <peter1138> i can't remember what 0.4.0.1 supported... 22:54:07 <Sacro> peter1138: its great, you can have trains without engines 22:54:13 <ln-> DarkSSH: it wasn't you who said "interesting idea". 22:54:14 <peter1138> um 22:54:17 <peter1138> oh kay 22:54:22 <Sacro> most of the wagons are powered 22:54:25 <DarkSSH> ln-: we have to see what kind of game ottd wants to be. imho countries would push it the sim-city way 22:54:35 <DarkSSH> and less transportation, more politics, etc. 22:54:41 <Sacro> DarkSSH: well i'd like it a bit more simutrans'y 22:54:51 <peter1138> cargo destinations! 22:54:58 <peter1138> stupid rail junctions! 22:55:00 <ln-> DarkSSH: hmm, hmm, in a way yes. 22:55:03 <peter1138> that annoying build sound! 22:55:05 <Sacro> ./ "Melting Arctic Ice Has Consequences" <- well DUH 22:55:29 <Sacro> err... s/\.\//\/\./ 22:55:46 <DarkSSH> ln-: that is why I'm not sure if that would be a way to go 22:56:11 <Sacro> DarkSSH: but it'd make for a lot more interesting and complex multiplayer 22:56:47 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7073 /trunk/ai/ (default/default.c trolly/build.c): -Feature: Add cargo refit support to both AIs for road vehicles 22:58:11 <ln-> DarkSSH: but it wouldn't need to be more complicated than connecting to the foreign company's railway network at the border, at least i'm not suggesting having politics, wars and stuff involved. 22:58:34 <Tron> !seen alltaken 22:58:38 <_42_> Tron, Alltaken (~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net) was last seen quitting #openttd 2 days 12 hours 20 minutes ago (03.11. 10:38) stating "Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]" after spending 3 hours 25 minutes there. 22:58:47 <peter1138> nini 22:59:00 <DarkSSH> ln-: so what use would that be then? 22:59:06 <DarkSSH> you could only build in your country? 22:59:12 <DarkSSH> each player controls a single countrY? 22:59:46 <Born_Acorn> I must lol at jez thinking most people in the UK use "ize" over "ise". 22:59:48 <Sacro> night peter1138 22:59:49 <Born_Acorn> It must just be the people he knows who do it. :p 23:00:16 <Sacro> hmm, i prefer ise 23:00:19 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7074 /trunk/ai/trolly/build.c: -Fix (r7073): stupid debugs 23:00:24 <DarkSSH> gogo peter1138 23:00:25 <Zevensoft> he doesnt realise the truth 23:00:33 <Zevensoft> eh eh 23:01:17 <Born_Acorn> They call it "British (or Commonwealth) English" for a reason. 23:01:34 <Born_Acorn> Not because it's exactly the same as US English either. :p 23:01:38 <Zevensoft> nah its brittish english afaik 23:01:44 <Zevensoft> theres also australian english 23:02:01 <Born_Acorn> I think that comes under Commonwealth. :p 23:02:05 <Zevensoft> which is more like brittish english than us english 23:02:06 <Zevensoft> nope 23:02:34 <Sacro> Zevensoft: british 23:02:36 <Zevensoft> eg. we use trucks instead of lorry 23:02:41 <ln-> DarkSSH: each player controlling one's own country would make sense, too, but even with current rules, having the other countries would allow new, profitable routes across the edge of the map. 23:02:54 <Sacro> ooh, supply and demand to other countries 23:03:34 <Born_Acorn> (22:53:18) <DarkSSH> am I the boogieman now or what? <-- Be sure to check under the bed for the Darkvaterman before you sleep! 23:03:44 <DarkSSH> ln-: this would need shared-tracks, more bits, and a rework of economics before it can even be thought about 23:03:52 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-214.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:03:56 * Sacro checks under his bed 23:04:10 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-214.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:04:14 <Zevensoft> dark: what about a multiserve option 23:04:16 <Sacro> hmm... that sock doesnt look too clean 23:04:25 <Zevensoft> all that country data would make 1 server crawl 23:04:35 <Zevensoft> having a different server per country would help 23:04:49 <Zevensoft> keeping sync would be just like having another client 23:06:32 <ln-> DarkSSH: shared tracks would be a good idea in every case. 23:07:45 <DarkSSH> Zevensoft: in openttd the server is only an arbiter, nothing more, nothing less 23:07:54 <DarkSSH> all clients and server do exactly the same amount of work 23:07:57 <Zevensoft> oh 23:08:04 <Zevensoft> so its a p2p thing, like wc3? 23:08:25 <DarkSSH> all that a server does: receive command from client, check and authorize then broadcast 23:08:56 <DarkSSH> it's not p2p 23:09:57 <Born_Acorn> It's 2p2! 23:13:41 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.5/2006091003]] 23:19:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82EED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:21 <mikk36> hey :) 23:19:36 <mikk36> erm.. DarkSSH = Darkvater over SSH ? :P 23:19:54 <glx> and the winner is mikk36 :) 23:19:57 <DarkSSH> hmm... 23:20:06 <mikk36> still... why such nick ? 23:20:10 <mikk36> and why over SSH ? 23:20:22 <DarkSSH> why are you mikk36? 23:20:28 <mikk36> and even if over SSH, what is special about it + 23:20:42 <DarkSSH> Darkvater is taken and Darkvater1 sounds stupid 23:20:49 <mikk36> oh :P 23:20:55 <mikk36> right :P 23:21:08 <DarkSSH> well, actually I am Darkvater as well, but on another SSH conn 23:21:15 <DarkSSH> that's my lurk-nick ^^ 23:22:04 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82C73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:22:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:23:38 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Away 23:24:30 <ln-> how about "Darkwater" or "Dorkvater" as the secondary nick... 23:25:17 <DarkSSH> Dorkvater.. hehe "interesting idea" 23:25:36 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F214.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:44 <Zevensoft> Darkwader 23:27:52 <ln-> D4rkvater 23:27:56 <Zevensoft> would sound like Darkvader in german 23:37:16 <Born_Acorn> What about "Pigeon Man" 23:37:26 <Born_Acorn> Since it's so zany, it won't be taken! 23:37:48 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82C73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:40 <Ailure> hmm 23:38:56 <MeusH> goodnight DarthVater :P 23:39:00 <MeusH> bye guys 23:39:15 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 23:40:36 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81752.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:40:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:44:22 <Ailure> hmmm 23:44:24 <Ailure> Going to start a game 23:44:29 <Ailure> what's the best planeset? ; 23:44:30 <Ailure> ;) 23:44:39 <Ailure> I found two of them, but I dunno which one is more playable 23:45:39 <DarkSSH> av8 23:47:03 <Ailure> funny, I was looking at the site for it 23:47:06 <Ailure> guess I try it out 23:47:45 <DarkSSH> cool sounds (+1), tilted takeoff/landing (+2) 23:48:20 <Ailure> I tried planesetw_459.grf and "planeset" something 23:48:43 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 23:49:28 <Ailure> ah yeah 23:49:29 <Ailure> they are 23:49:30 <Ailure> hehe 23:49:47 <Ailure> though haha 23:49:55 <Ailure> the zeppelin makes a helicopter noise in this set too 23:50:32 <Ailure> guess I play a game with that set then 23:52:40 <Ailure> This is going to be intresting 23:52:52 <Ailure> hopwfully not too crashy, since i'm going quite exprimental. XD 23:53:12 <DarkSSH> good luck :) 23:54:43 <Ailure> thanks 23:54:51 <Ailure> now I probably screw with the map generator for a half hour or so 23:54:56 <Ailure> until I get a map I like 23:55:42 <DarkSSH> use the africa scenario :D 23:56:32 <Ailure> oh yeah, I wanted to play on that map 23:56:39 <Ailure> just hadn't got around it