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00:01:06 <Smoovious> hmm... I have the settings for the computer players to build trains, planes, and ships, disabled... and they don't want to do anything at all... (wanted to play a while with just vehicles)... 00:08:30 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.148.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:10:42 <Smoovious> nevermind... one built some vehicles... dunno if it would have used vehicles anyways or not, but they're there... 00:18:35 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-245-101.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:27:05 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-187-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:31:35 <CaptObvious> I need to find a good game that you can buy via digital download 00:31:53 <Naksu> openttd 00:31:59 <CaptObvious> I'm sick of openttd 00:32:14 <CaptObvious> I go through phases on it - I get hooked on it for weeks then I get bored and don't play for ages 00:32:21 <CaptObvious> I'm in the bored phase 00:32:58 <XeryusTC> CaptObvious: red alert 2 :) 00:33:03 * XeryusTC is off to bed :P 00:33:05 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 00:34:15 *** silent [~pwr@86.121.147.90] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 00:36:51 <CaptObvious> I want spore to be released :( 00:44:49 *** YogSothoth_ [~john@lns-bzn-55-82-255-190-3.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:45:32 *** YogSothoth [~john@lns-bzn-55-82-255-190-3.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 00:45:39 <Born_Acorn> I do that. I haven't played in weeks, but then I'll go and build another network randomly. 00:51:57 <Smoovious> are able to connect to a network game and just look around without starting a company or interfere with the current game? 00:52:21 <CaptObvious> yes 00:52:32 <CaptObvious> choose spectate 00:52:34 <Smoovious> coo 00:52:38 <Smoovious> :) 00:52:49 <Smoovious> wanna see what other people are up to :) 00:55:36 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 00:57:16 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Away 00:59:20 <ln-> Bjarni: btw 00:59:48 <ln-> what did you say about Xcode versions and being able to develop for 10.2? 01:07:38 <Eddi|zuHause> something about not being able to cross compile on 10.3, i think 01:16:39 *** Aedendal [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:19:54 *** Aedendal [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 01:20:24 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 01:20:30 *** jez [tumbler@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 01:21:07 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-56-32.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21:07 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 01:24:10 <ln-> ? 01:24:10 <ln-> Xcode Tools 2.4.1 01:24:11 <ln-> For Mac OS X version 10.4.x (Tiger) 01:24:19 <ln-> Compatibility 01:24:28 <ln-> o Xcode 2.4.1 supports development for Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar), Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther), or Mac OS X 01:24:31 <ln-> 10.4 (Tiger) or Universal binaries for PowerPC and Intel architectures on Mac OS X 10.4 using Mac OS X 01:24:34 <ln-> SDK support. 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Xcode 2.1 is needed when making universal binaries 09:33:38 <Bjarni> maybe I said other stuff as well. I don't recall 09:34:07 *** KUDr|wrk is now known as KUDr_wrk 09:39:53 *** Gentoo-Guy [~bj@87.72.12.151] has joined #openttd 09:41:00 <Gentoo-Guy> hello i have a porblem "Error: Cannot open file '/usr/share/games/openttd/data/sample.cat" anybody can give me a hint on how to solve this issue 09:41:22 <Gentoo-Guy> Bjarni, hey are you from iceland 09:41:45 <Bjarni> err 09:41:48 <Bjarni> not entirely 09:42:02 <Gentoo-Guy> also sweeden and you live in denmark?? 09:42:04 <peter1138> hint: check if it exists 09:42:44 <Gentoo-Guy> it doesn't but whare can i get it 09:42:51 <Gentoo-Guy> *where 09:42:57 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:43:15 <peter1138> from the original game's data files 09:43:56 <Darkvater> morning 09:44:03 <KUDr> gm master 09:44:21 <Gentoo-Guy> what if i dont know where my original cd, can anybode send me one og is that illigal 09:44:23 <peter1138> Darkvater: pong :) 09:44:43 <Darkvater> peter1138: ah yes, I was wondering if you had done work on the build-vehicle-filters? 09:44:57 <peter1138> only very minor 09:45:20 <peter1138> i fiddled with the train engine sorter 09:45:43 <Gentoo-Guy> peter1138, can you send med one 09:46:03 <Darkvater> ok 09:46:22 <peter1138> http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/01-store/0-resources-store/cd-4.0.027.jpg 09:46:31 <peter1138> Darkvater: so what's up? 09:46:38 <peter1138> or am i assuming 09:47:20 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 09:47:21 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:47:33 <Darkvater> peter1138: nothing, just was thinking about the next thing on the list 09:47:56 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7129 /trunk/ (9 files): -Codechange: Get rid of a global variable that only sets a window's number. 09:47:59 <Gentoo-Guy> very funny 09:48:04 <peter1138> remind me of the url 09:54:18 <mikk36> lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_burner 09:57:47 <Darkvater> Gentoo-Guy: it is illegal, but I am sure you are smart enough to find it yourself on the internet 09:58:35 <Gentoo-Guy> Darkvater, i'll just find my original cd 09:58:43 <Darkvater> or that of course :) 09:59:31 <Gentoo-Guy> the reason i asked was that i thought that i was a total remake if the game 10:00:07 <Darkvater> (the readme says that) openttd uses the data files from TTDLX and is not yet stand-alone 10:00:11 * Tron performs a magical rite 10:01:02 <Gentoo-Guy> Darkvater, okay i was too exited to read the readme, when i discovered i could play ttd on my linux box :) 10:01:08 <Darkvater> :) 10:01:10 <Darkvater> np 10:05:21 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 10:05:24 <_42_> Commit by Darkvater :: r7129 /trunk/ (9 files) (2006-11-11 09:47:44 UTC) 10:05:26 <_42_> -Codechange: Get rid of a global variable that only sets a window's number. 10:07:38 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-213.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 10:07:42 <Gentoo-Guy> Darkvater, are the names exatly the same 10:08:05 <Darkvater> que? 10:08:38 <Gentoo-Guy> openttd request a trg1r.grf but that one is not on my cd i have one called trg1.grf 10:08:46 <Tron> you have the DOS version of TTD 10:09:05 <Tron> there's a file "readme.txt" 10:09:07 <Darkvater> DOS version also works (also in readme), but windows version is preferred 10:09:12 <Tron> you have one try to guess why it has this name 10:09:38 <Gentoo-Guy> yes it's the dos version i have 10:09:58 <Gentoo-Guy> oaky 10:10:41 <Gentoo-Guy> is there any difference in how well the games looks or runs 10:10:54 <Tron> i won't repeat it 10:10:58 <Tron> readme.txt 10:10:59 <Tron> READ IT 10:11:06 <Darkvater> :) 10:11:08 <Gentoo-Guy> yes yes okay :D 10:11:42 <Darkvater> Tron: hmm, I don't think the readme states that the autorail tool will look all funky ;p 10:11:47 *** CaptObvious [~CaptObvio@host86-134-180-127.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:12:04 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7130 /trunk/ (7 files): 10:12:04 <CIA-1> -Codechange: Handle the positioning of windows through the desc->left/top settings with 10:12:04 <CIA-1> some special values (WDP_) instead of checking window-class. This also fixes FS#172 10:12:04 <CIA-1> now that we can position windows arbitrarily and are not restricted to window-classes. 10:12:11 <Tron> Darkvater: ok, once more for you: <Tron> readme.txt <Tron> READ IT 10:12:37 * CaptObvious is trying out contact lenses for the first time 10:12:38 * Darkvater whistles 10:12:40 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:12:49 <CaptObvious> I can actually read this text without glasses :D 10:12:52 <Darkvater> it does say it..I'm surprised :) 10:13:04 <Gentoo-Guy> :D 10:13:16 * Darkvater ticks one more off the list of todo's 10:15:38 <Gentoo-Guy> would it be legal for me to search the net for the files from the windows version if i own the dosversion 10:15:50 <CaptObvious> they're linked from owenrudge.net 10:15:57 <CaptObvious> I think it's abandonware by now 10:16:18 <Darkvater> there is no such thing as abandonware, and you only have a license for the DOS version 10:16:45 <CaptObvious> I don't have a licence for either version 10:16:50 <CaptObvious> and there is such thing as abandonware 10:17:01 <Darkvater> you have the DOS version no? So you have a license for that 10:17:16 <Darkvater> and no there is no such legal thing as abandonware 10:17:24 <Gentoo-Guy> Darkvater, okay thx:) 10:17:26 <CaptObvious> I don't have the DOS version 10:17:39 <CaptObvious> Darkvater: some companies have put their old old games up for free download 10:17:44 <CaptObvious> I'd class that as abandonware 10:18:05 <Darkvater> 11:08 < Gentoo-Guy> openttd request a trg1r.grf but that one is not on my cd i have one called trg1.grf 10:18:13 <Darkvater> you must be schizofrenic then 10:18:25 <Noldo> it's not if they give it a way with freeware licence 10:18:29 <Darkvater> CaptObvious: oh really? have you seen TTDLX put up for free? 10:18:49 <Gentoo-Guy> i have on som checz site 10:19:21 <Gentoo-Guy> Darkvater, why is i schizofrenic 10:19:28 <CaptObvious> I don't think they're going to pursue you for downloading the windows data files 10:19:35 <Darkvater> *sigh* 10:19:44 <Darkvater> 11:16 < CaptObvious> I don't have a licence for either version 10:19:46 <Darkvater> 11:18 <@Darkvater> 11:08 < Gentoo-Guy> openttd request a trg1r.grf but that one is not on my cd i have one called trg1.grf 10:19:50 <CaptObvious> http://download.transporttycoon.net/ 10:20:30 <CaptObvious> do we think that owen rudge would host it for download if it wasn't legal? 10:20:56 <Darkvater> show me a link where Atari has put TTDLX into the public domain 10:21:01 <Darkvater> until then, yes it's not legal 10:21:28 <Darkvater> Bjarni: ... 10:21:32 <Darkvater> WP(w, buildvehicle_d).decenting_sort_order = _last_sort_order; 10:21:35 <Darkvater> nice ingirsch 10:21:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host72-234-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:22:06 <CaptObvious> it could just be a typo 10:22:11 <Darkvater> lol 10:22:23 <Darkvater> I always mistype descending as decenting, yeah 10:22:24 <Wolf01> good morning 10:22:28 <Tron> a missing s _and_ a d<->t mixup? 10:24:15 *** Progman [~progman@p5091CE2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:25:34 *** CaptObvious [~CaptObvio@host86-134-180-127.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Quitting!] 10:28:32 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:34:10 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176100226.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:35:06 <peter1138> dissenting_sort_order 10:35:22 <Darkvater> lol 10:35:27 <Darkvater> // BUILD_AIRCRAFT_WIDGET_SORT_ASSENDING_DESENTING, 10:35:41 <Darkvater> cannot even decide on which wrong spelling to use 10:35:49 <Darkvater> my god 10:35:50 <peter1138> ASS ENDING 10:38:23 <Gentoo-Guy> how do i give my user read rights 10:39:14 <Darkvater> you're using gentoo? 10:39:48 <Gentoo-Guy> yes 10:40:04 <Darkvater> hmm ok 10:40:09 <Darkvater> chmod +r <file> 10:40:26 <Gentoo-Guy> okay thx 10:40:28 <Darkvater> or rightclick > properties > tick read box 10:40:43 <Gentoo-Guy> i use a atern no gui 10:46:17 <Gentoo-Guy> Darkvater, now it stopped complaining about the files missing but now i cant launch the game 10:47:13 <Darkvater> well does it say anythng? 10:47:56 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:48:00 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 10:48:05 <Gentoo-Guy> nope 10:48:41 <Gentoo-Guy> bj@BJ-World /usr/share/games/openttd/data $ openttd 10:48:41 <Gentoo-Guy> bj@BJ-World /usr/share/games/openttd/data $ 10:48:44 <Darkvater> what does it do? does "./openttd -d 2" say anything that might point to the right direction? 10:48:46 <peter1138> try -v sdl 10:48:51 <peter1138> or -d 2 :D 10:49:16 <Gentoo-Guy> ahh 10:49:22 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N732P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:31 <Darkvater> peter1138: -v sdl is default no? 10:49:51 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N957P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 10:49:59 <Tron> default is the first driver which succeeds initialising 10:50:25 <Gentoo-Guy> no video and sound 10:50:34 <Darkvater> that would be sdl, if it fails, -v sdl also fails 10:50:46 * Darkvater wonders if Gentoo-Guy has SDL installed 10:50:54 <Tron> <Darkvater> that would be sdl, if it fails, -v sdl also fails <--- ? 10:51:09 <Tron> technically there is null driver 10:51:19 *** hylje [hylje@194.187.214.214] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:51:20 *** hylje [hylje@194.187.214.214] has joined #openttd 10:51:38 <Darkvater> yes, but if you force it to '-v sdl' that would fail if you get no video without any forcing 10:51:43 <Tron> try ./openttd -d driver=9 10:52:07 <Gentoo-Guy> bj@BJ-World /usr/share/games/openttd/data $ openttd -d driver=9 10:52:07 <Gentoo-Guy> dbg: Successfully probed sound driver "null" 10:52:07 <Gentoo-Guy> dbg: Successfully probed music driver "extmidi" 10:52:07 <Gentoo-Guy> dbg: Successfully probed video driver "null" 10:52:07 <Gentoo-Guy> bj@BJ-World /usr/share/games/openttd/data $ 10:52:15 <Tron> Darkvater: there's a small difference: with -v it _only_ tries this driver 10:52:25 <Darkvater> yes 10:52:30 <Gentoo-Guy> and i have sdl installed 10:52:36 <Tron> ./openttd -h and check which video drivers are listed 10:52:41 <Darkvater> it looks like you do not 10:53:06 <Gentoo-Guy> List of video drivers: 10:53:06 <Gentoo-Guy> null: Null Video Driver 10:53:06 <Gentoo-Guy> dedicated: Dedicated Video Driver 10:53:48 <Tron> you built the dedicated server version 10:54:39 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/2006102516]] 10:54:43 <Gentoo-Guy> i have the dedicated useflag so i think so 10:54:52 <Darkvater> .. 10:55:01 <Tron> PEBKAC 10:55:19 * Darkvater wonders how one can think to play a game if it's built in dedicated mode 10:56:09 <Gentoo-Guy> i thougt it mad the option dedivated servar alvaliable, but yes if you only can have one of them 10:56:18 <Gentoo-Guy> ::D whoops 10:56:37 <Darkvater> dedicated makes only dedicated, with normal you can do both 10:57:00 <Gentoo-Guy> Darkvater, ahh okay 11:07:42 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:40 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 11:08:42 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 11:09:34 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6BE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:27:30 <Darkvater> hi Belugas_Gone 11:34:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 11:38:05 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B37EA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^2] 11:44:08 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176106077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:44:25 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 11:46:54 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176100226.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:27 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has joined #openttd 12:02:00 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:02:18 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 12:02:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 12:04:54 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37EA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:15 *** Gentoo-Guy [~bj@87.72.12.151] has left #openttd [Leaving] 12:08:25 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk35@pc31.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 12:08:47 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202.154.148.140] has joined #openttd 12:14:55 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.148.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15:20 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc31.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:16:41 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:19:02 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:13 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:19:43 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:30:24 *** Nigel__ [~Nigel@202.154.148.140] has joined #openttd 12:32:45 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0DD91.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:01 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0DD91.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:33:05 *** orudge` [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:13 *** orudge [~orudge@138.251.254.190] has joined #openttd 12:33:14 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 12:36:55 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202.154.148.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:00 *** Weirdo [~weirdo@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:50:24 <Weirdo> Any +o alive? 12:50:36 <Weirdo> Anyway, general notice: svn.openttd.org is offline for the time being 12:50:47 <Weirdo> It practicly killed the webserver over and over 12:51:08 <Weirdo> Rephrase: http://svn.openttd.org is offline 12:53:13 <Tron> are you going to fix it? 12:53:22 <Weirdo> If I can find out why it is happning 12:53:47 <Tron> while you're at it: SVN 1.4 would be nice 12:53:52 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 12:54:03 <Weirdo> SVN 1.4 isn't stable in Gentoo repos 12:54:16 <Weirdo> What is new about it? 12:54:39 <Tron> svnsync 12:54:44 <Weirdo> which is? 12:55:20 <Tron> "svnsync, a new repository mirroring tool" 12:56:18 *** Zevensoft [~Zevensoft@220-253-9-214.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:56:33 <Weirdo> lol, finally a real and good way to create mirrors 12:56:51 <Darkvater> 'ello 12:56:57 <Darkvater> what's wrong with SVN? 12:57:03 <Darkvater> eg why does it kill webserver 12:57:06 <Weirdo> read above 12:57:08 <Weirdo> dunno 12:57:22 <Darkvater> it was really slow the last couple of days...(trac0 12:57:25 <Weirdo> but a load of 0.7 and 20% CPU 24/7 is a bit too high :p 12:57:40 <Darkvater> let's hope you figure it out soon TL :) 12:57:45 <Weirdo> Yeah.. who knows 12:57:50 <Weirdo> first step is to upgrade to trac 0.10 12:58:19 <Weirdo> Tron: svnsync is nice 12:58:22 <Darkvater> hmm..but only the webserver is down, right? 12:58:31 * Darkvater checks 12:58:34 <Darkvater> yep 12:58:39 <Weirdo> but let's hope not too many people use it, as that consumes so much bandwidth :p 13:00:40 <Darkvater> lemm know if trac 0.10 is better :) 13:00:44 <Darkvater> I still have 0.9.5 13:02:36 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-187-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:02:51 *** Weirdo [~weirdo@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:04 *** Weirdo [~weirdo@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:05:06 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=516995#516995 13:05:08 <Weirdo> I love random crashes :( 13:05:09 <Darkvater> .. o_O 13:05:13 <Darkvater> wb 13:05:19 <Weirdo> my laptop hangs lately from time to time :( 13:06:55 <Weirdo> did I miss anything? :p 13:08:10 <Zevensoft> :O nice grf 13:08:19 <Darkvater> yes 13:08:22 <Darkvater> 14:02 -!- Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-187-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:08:29 <Darkvater> poor sacro, you didn't greet him 13:08:34 <Weirdo> poor him indeed :p 13:08:39 <Zevensoft> hello sacro, nice grf 13:09:39 <Sacro> Zevensoft: ? 13:09:53 <Weirdo> Trac 0.10 finally supports mysql 13:09:58 <Weirdo> not sure it is faster, but okay 13:11:01 <Weirdo> Darkvater: does openttd.org website support MySQL 5? 13:11:54 <Zevensoft> nice images, only thing that spoils it is the lines on the terrain 13:11:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host72-234-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 13:12:01 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: I'm gone, bye bye :)] 13:12:03 <Darkvater> Weirdo: it does 5 by default 13:12:09 <Weirdo> MySQL 13:12:10 <Weirdo> not PHP 13:12:10 <Darkvater> or not 13:12:12 <Darkvater> ah 13:12:15 <Darkvater> I have no idea 13:13:08 <Darkvater> tfarago@arrakis:~> mysql --version 13:13:08 <Darkvater> mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.18, for suse-linux (i686) using readline 5.1 13:13:13 <Darkvater> is this MySQL 5? 13:13:21 <Darkvater> it is, isn't it? 13:13:24 <Sacro> yup 13:13:25 <Weirdo> looks like it, but I don't know, you own it :p 13:13:33 <Darkvater> Weirdo: then it does support MySQL 5 13:13:44 <Sacro> mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.26, for pc-linux-gnu (i686) using readline 5.1 13:13:56 <Weirdo> Darkvater: good, then I might upgrade to MySQL 5 too 13:14:10 <Darkvater> or it doesn't; who knows :P 13:14:17 <Darkvater> but I tested it locally and it worked..so 13:15:30 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-196-53.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:16:35 <Darkvater> hmm, something is not right here, my documentroot is set to /srv/www/htdocs, yet I go to /srv/www/ottd 13:17:02 *** Wolfy [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:17:42 <Darkvater> I think I needa look up how virtualhosts actually work ;p 13:18:15 <Triffid_Hunter> Darkvater: the server uses the host: line in the request to know which config to look at 13:19:01 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:19:25 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 13:19:31 <Darkvater> hmm....I have only one VirtualHost *:80 and it seems to override the default one 13:20:28 <Darkvater> that was most certainly not the thing I had in mind 13:21:36 <Triffid_Hunter> if there is no host: line in the req, apache uses the first virtual host listed in its config which matches the ip the request was sent to 13:22:25 <Darkvater> for me darkvater.homeip.net" target="_blank">ottd-darkvater.homeip.net should go to virtualhost, but darkvater.homeip.net to normal host 13:22:49 <Darkvater> in my previous setup I had a virtualhost named darkvater.homeip.net and another ottd-darkvater.homeip.net. Is that the way? 13:22:57 <Triffid_Hunter> you want your "normal" host to be the first virtual server listed then 13:23:35 <Darkvater> hmm, I wonder what the point is of setting DocumentRoot, etc. then in default-config.conf 13:24:18 <Darkvater> default-server.conf that is 13:24:20 <Triffid_Hunter> Darkvater: your NameVirtualhost doesn't *have* to be a wildcard, in which case requests sent to ips which aren't namevirtualhosts will fall through to the default 13:24:35 <Darkvater> aaah 13:24:48 <Darkvater> so I can have <VirtualHost ottd-darkvater.homeip.net:80> ? 13:25:03 <Triffid_Hunter> mine isn't a wildcard, because I have several internal vhosts which shouldn't be accessed from outside 13:25:15 <Triffid_Hunter> Darkvater: sure, if you have a matching NameVirtualhost line 13:25:29 * Darkvater tries 13:25:50 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-196-53.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong] 13:27:04 <Darkvater> [Sat Nov 11 14:24:06 2006] [error] VirtualHost ottd-darkvater.homeip.net:80 -- mixing * ports and non-* ports with a NameVirtualHost address is not supported, proceeding with undefined results 13:27:41 <Triffid_Hunter> that says your NameVirtualHost line doesn't match 13:28:21 <Darkvater> he, now ottd-darkvater.homeip.net also goes to main page ;p 13:29:01 <Darkvater> NameVirtualhost ottd-darkvater.homeip.net:80 13:29:01 <Darkvater> <VirtualHost ottd-darkvater.homeip.net:80> 13:29:02 *** Hadez [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 13:29:16 <Weirdo> lol 13:29:19 <Weirdo> DV: that part is IP based 13:29:25 <Weirdo> ServerName filters hostnames 13:29:39 <Darkvater> but I only have 1 IP 13:29:42 <Weirdo> yeah 13:29:51 <Weirdo> that is just fine 13:29:58 <Weirdo> you might just want to read the Apache documentation on VirtualHost 13:30:03 <Weirdo> it is pretty clear in his usage 13:30:07 <valhallasw> Darkvater: apache is evil, eh? ;) 13:30:09 <Darkvater> dammit, I'm lazy 13:30:19 <Weirdo> in this case, that is killing you too 13:31:20 <Darkvater> If you are adding virtual hosts to an existing web server, you must also create a <VirtualHost> block for the existing host. The ServerName and DocumentRoot included in this virtual host should be the same as the global ServerName and DocumentRoot. List this virtual host first in the configuration file so that it will act as the default host. 13:31:20 <Triffid_Hunter> Darkvater: I'm rather lazy too, which is why I always read docs.. can't bear to mess around for hours with something that I'm doing wrong purely out of self-imposed ignorance 13:31:27 <Darkvater> fine, so my original idea was correct 13:31:33 <Weirdo> Triffid_Hunter: nicely said :) 13:32:19 <Darkvater> that is not fair; you sent me into the wrong direction 13:33:02 <Weirdo> even trac 0.10 is _very_ slow 13:33:10 <Weirdo> and then I mean VERY slow 13:37:00 <Darkvater> wheee it works :D 13:37:24 <Darkvater> I needed to add NameVirtualHost *:80 13:37:27 <Darkvater> :) 13:38:23 <Darkvater> now to take a well-deserved rest 13:39:48 <Weirdo> LOL! 13:39:57 <Weirdo> pussy 13:41:39 *** Guest56 [~Gono@N883P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 13:45:27 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N957P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:49:57 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 13:54:02 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B37EA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:16 *** Ammler [~Ammler@139.118.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 13:56:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp15-126.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 13:58:44 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37EA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:31 <roboboy> gnight 13:59:32 <Weirdo> pfff 13:59:34 <Weirdo> track really is slow 13:59:35 <Weirdo> trac 13:59:39 *** roboboy is now known as robobed 13:59:59 <Weirdo> I now enabled mod_python 14:00:02 <Weirdo> and use that 14:00:04 <Weirdo> but.... bah 14:00:13 <Weirdo> also there is some kind of cacher 14:00:15 <Weirdo> that fucks up 14:00:26 <Weirdo> sometimes the navigation disapears 14:17:46 <Weirdo> fuck trac 14:18:07 <Weirdo> it is a small bit faster now 14:18:13 <Weirdo> still, the CPU is just idiotic 14:18:20 <Weirdo> (CPUtime) 14:18:35 <Tron> %svn pl website/images/0_landscape.png 14:18:35 <Tron> Eigenschaften zu »website/images/0_landscape.png«: 14:18:35 <Tron> svn:executable 14:18:35 <Tron> svn:mime-type 14:18:35 <Tron> %svn pg svn:mime-type website/images/0_landscape.png 14:18:36 <Tron> application/octet-stream 14:18:40 <Tron> ... 14:19:49 <Weirdo> You never execute images? :p 14:20:04 <Tron> %svn pl readme.first 14:20:04 <Tron> Eigenschaften zu »readme.first«: 14:20:04 <Tron> svn:executable 14:20:04 <Tron> svn:eol-style 14:20:13 <Tron> no, readmes neither 14:20:42 <Weirdo> too bad ;) 14:20:43 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:20:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:21:34 <Tron> there are 48 executable files 14:23:51 <Weirdo> okay, http://svn.openttd.org stays offline for now 14:23:57 <Weirdo> 2 reasons: I ran out of time to try to fix it 14:24:08 <Weirdo> 2) I want to make sure it is the reason this server is activing weird lately 14:26:04 *** lws|Away is now known as lws1984 14:33:30 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Away 14:49:10 *** Netsplit oxygen.oftc.net <-> osmosis.oftc.net quits: SimonRC, lws|Away 14:50:30 *** Netsplit over, joins: lws|Away, SimonRC 14:52:33 *** Jango [~daniel@puritan.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:53:04 <Jango> mornin 14:55:14 *** Netsplit helium.oftc.net <-> oxygen.oftc.net quits: fusey, StarLite, guru3, blathijs 14:55:16 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:55:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 14:59:18 *** Netsplit over, joins: blathijs, fusey, StarLite, guru3 14:59:22 <peter1138> hi 15:02:18 <Jango> how have things been in the land of ottd? 15:02:40 <Zevensoft> fresh 15:02:55 *** Weirdo [~weirdo@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 15:07:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> green 15:07:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> at least in temperate :) 15:10:05 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B37EA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:10 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=28341&highlight= << behold the latest-to-be bugreport 15:11:47 <Darkvater> hmm, 2 new godfather movies? 15:11:53 <Darkvater> Godfather's Revenge en Godfather Returns van Mark Winegardner 15:12:04 <Darkvater> I hate these fucking movie companies..... 15:13:40 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@142-190.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 15:17:54 *** Hadez [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/0000000000]] 15:17:55 *** Ammler [~Ammler@139.118.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:10 *** Ammler_ is now known as Ammler 15:20:35 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-165-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:17 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B3579D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:12:03 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Think I'm just too white n' nerdy] 16:15:07 *** Speaker [~hgh@c-212-031-167-016.cust.thalamus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:08 *** Gorre [dik@ip-89-102-198-103.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 16:21:12 <Gorre> hello 16:26:06 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:29:12 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 16:42:27 *** Speaker [~hgh@c-212-031-167-016.cust.thalamus.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:03 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3E7D1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:32 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3F75E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:45 *** _Rince [~hrshgn@gw.ptr-80-238-227-37.customer.ch.netstream.com] has joined #openttd 17:21:21 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 17:24:47 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:25:12 *** YogSothoth_ [~john@lns-bzn-32-82-254-11-30.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:05 *** YogSothoth [~john@lns-bzn-55-82-255-190-3.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:40 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:51 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 17:38:31 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:26 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has joined #openttd 18:01:57 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:45 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:23:02 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0ED50.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:40 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0DD91.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:48 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:52:38 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 19:06:55 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:15 <Smoovious> is there an established ettiquette for joining a networked game? 19:11:47 <hylje> dont be an asshole 19:11:51 <hylje> that is all 19:12:05 <hylje> besides, magic chat needs luv 19:12:21 <hylje> implement the damn default chat target chooser ALREADY 19:12:42 <Smoovious> ? 19:12:54 <Smoovious> default chat target chooser? 19:12:56 <hylje> the latter was for the devs 19:13:00 <Smoovious> oh ok 19:13:07 <hylje> basically, trunk has an improved chat system 19:13:25 <hylje> but it lacks a feature: where the message should go 19:13:38 <hylje> it guesses it depending on team 19:13:46 <hylje> (you have a team, it defaults to teamchat) 19:14:02 <hylje> the feature would override this guessing 19:15:23 * Smoovious nods. 19:15:26 <Smoovious> makes sense... 19:15:37 <hylje> indeed 19:18:15 <Smoovious> anywhere I can set how long messages stay on the screen? 19:18:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can use the ingame console as a chatlog 19:19:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> (top left key on the keyboard) 19:19:23 <Smoovious> yeah, but the messages don't stay visible for long 19:19:48 <Smoovious> oh, no, that's so not what I was looking for 19:20:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> i know that was not what you asked for, but i don't think there exists a setting for that... 19:20:46 <Smoovious> k... >makes a scribble for the suggestion list< 19:21:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> probably a hardcoded constant 19:22:06 <Smoovious> yeah... shouldn't be difficult to make it configurable 19:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> you are free to provide a patch ;) 19:22:44 *** Gorre [dik@ip-89-102-198-103.karneval.cz] has quit [Quit: Socially inept? You bet I am!] 19:22:54 <Smoovious> ha! I haven't programmed in a C-variant since the mid-80's... you wouldn't want what I'd put out. :P 19:26:26 <Naksu> it's ok 19:26:46 <Naksu> just pick something that's less likely to break horribly 19:26:53 <Naksu> and start from there :) 19:27:11 <Naksu> (note: perhaps the worst advice ever) 19:28:04 <Smoovious> >chuckles< well... I suppose making the multiplayer screen expandable so I can read the whole note off of the servers might be useful... 19:28:12 <Smoovious> don't see how that could hurt the gameplay 19:29:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> messing with the messy gui system is not particularly the best start into the code ;) 19:29:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> (did that sentence make any sense?) 19:29:37 <Naksu> i started with the insanity that is the airport-handling finite state machine 19:30:24 <Naksu> and after a while i managed to make the game crash very hard :) 19:30:58 <Smoovious> well, making the menu resizable shouldn't be that hard... 19:32:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, you could look at the diffs in the svn that made other windows resizable 19:33:54 <Smoovious> maybe just hovering over a snipped line of text to show the full text in a tooltip would be plenty, without having to resize it 19:35:26 <Smoovious> is there a way to start a company in a game I had previously joined as an observer, without having to disconnect, and try to figure out which game I was just on? :) 19:36:20 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:36:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think so 19:36:58 <Smoovious> damn 19:38:55 *** ChrisM87_ [~ChrisM@p54AC6BE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:38:57 *** anboni_ [daemon@ivory.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:39:13 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@142-190.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 19:39:30 *** BJH2__ [~chatzilla@e176106077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:40:07 *** Netsplit hydrogen.oftc.net <-> cation.oftc.net quits: ChrisM87, Born_Acorn, Triffid_Hunter, Ailure, A1win, eQualizer, ThePizzaKing, Sacro, anboni, Ammler, (+4 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 19:40:08 <Smoovious> hmm... ok, 1 server got kicked out of 19:40:36 *** Netsplit over, joins: eQualizer 19:40:38 *** lws|Away is now known as lws1984 19:41:02 *** Netsplit over, joins: Sacro, BJH2_, Born_Acorn, helb, ThePizzaKing, Hagbarddenstore, Triffid_Hunter, Ailure, A1win 19:41:23 *** A1win [a1win@loota.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:27 *** A1win [a1win@loota.fi] has joined #openttd 19:44:08 *** BJH2___ [~chatzilla@e176125228.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:45:05 <helb> uh 19:45:12 <helb> netsplit? :) 19:45:20 <hylje> O RLY? 19:46:17 <lws1984> AYE RLY 19:46:55 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176106077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:35 *** BJH2__ [~chatzilla@e176106077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> OMG WTF BBQ! 19:50:58 <lws1984> roffle 19:51:03 <hylje> ROFFLES 19:52:35 * lws1984 passes out some rofflecakes 19:52:47 <Tron> the correct term is "lulz" 19:53:20 <lws1984> Lies. 19:55:00 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80F3B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:55:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:56:18 <hylje> the quest for lulz 19:56:26 <hylje> we require more lulz 19:57:25 <hylje> http://www.queenofwands.net/comics/20031208.gif 19:57:26 <hylje> this has lulz 20:05:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> gah... starting an 800MB system update was probably not the greatest idea ;) 20:07:04 *** Patrick_ [pitt2@217.112.91.169] has joined #openttd 20:07:21 <Patrick_> please please please for the love of god tell me someone fixed the kickoff problem without reintroducing the stuck train bug 20:10:25 <Naksu> Patrick_: someone fixed the kickoff problem without reintroducing the stuck train bug 20:10:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> try the realistic accelleration(sp?) in the MiniIN 20:10:54 <Patrick_> part two of my request: is that true? 20:11:29 <Patrick_> I'm perfectly serious when I say that seeing trains literally take 2 seconds to go at a green signal made me stop playing openttd for a year 20:11:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> it works great and has tractive effort 20:11:57 <Patrick_> expensive maglev: quick to set off at green signals or not? 20:11:59 <Naksu> Eddi|zuHause2: you mean physics 20:12:09 <Naksu> i believe realistic acceleration is what is in the trunk 20:12:09 <Patrick_> now, what about trunk 20:12:16 <Patrick_> because RA is what's there 20:12:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> it has not been included in trunk yet 20:12:33 <Patrick_> bah. 20:12:36 <peter1138> Patrick_: no, it's not fixed yet 20:12:49 <Naksu> i believe the patch setting which enables tractive effort-thingy is just "physics" in the patch options 20:12:58 <Patrick_> well, I guess it's mini-in time 20:13:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> but you can find the physics patch for trunk on the forum, i believe 20:13:15 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:13:24 <Patrick_> Eddi|zuHause2: cheese :) 20:13:36 <Patrick_> I've been scientific since about june, actually 20:13:51 <Patrick_> they took the intensity of the course and turned it up until the knob fell off 20:14:01 <Patrick_> I don't suppose anyone knows about the diels-alder reaction? 20:14:28 <Naksu> wikipedia knows a great deal 20:14:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> Naksu: no, it is called realistic accelleration for trains (or road vehicles), and the old realistic accelleration has been renamed to semi-realistic accelleration 20:14:41 <Naksu> Eddi|zuHause2: ah 20:16:59 <peter1138> Patrick_: if i had a specific test case, i'd have a go at it 20:16:59 *** Aedendal [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17:27 <Patrick_> I need to actually check it out first 20:17:35 <Smoovious> kickoff problem? (maybethat's why I got kicked from a server?) 20:17:37 <Patrick_> see if it's been fixed in the billions of iterations since I last checked 20:17:40 <Patrick_> Smoovious: ... no 20:17:49 <Smoovious> oh nevermind 20:17:52 <Patrick_> Smoovious: signal goes green. train does F* ALL for 2 seconds. 20:17:53 <Patrick_> then it moves. 20:17:56 <Smoovious> I know what you mean, train physics 20:18:35 <Patrick_> really decreases the critical density ( train density at which traffic jams propogate instead of evaporating ) 20:18:42 <peter1138> Patrick_: test case for the stuck trains, i'm mean 20:18:47 <Patrick_> oh, right 20:18:50 <peter1138> the 2 signal wait is sill there 20:18:54 <peter1138> but it's only a second, not two 20:19:00 <Patrick_> that was an ancient bug which the second wait was meant to "fix" 20:19:00 <peter1138> -2 20:19:03 <Patrick_> it was done before my time 20:19:23 <Patrick_> somewhat ... intermittent, I recall 20:20:29 *** Aedendal [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 20:20:39 <peter1138> so you don't have an example savegame? heh 20:21:09 <Smoovious> well... trains aren't exactly known for peeling out at lights.. 20:21:11 *** Ammler_ is now known as Ammler 20:21:12 <Patrick_> nope, all I have is the memory that a patch for it used to exist 20:21:20 <Smoovious> sanding not withstanding 20:21:25 <Patrick_> Smoovious: yeah, but in the game time it's more like a whole day :/ 20:21:26 <peter1138> yeah, that patch just reverted the change 20:21:36 <peter1138> so stuck trains would occur again 20:21:49 <Patrick_> it doesn't have to be realistic but literally the only thing it does is frustrate the perfectionists who see it as an engineering problem 20:22:03 <Patrick_> I should just change my own mind and appreciate the elegant beauty of a distributed mesh 20:22:24 <Patrick_> I kept building giant funnel tracks that drain a map quarter into one factory/sawmill/refinery complex 20:23:20 <Patrick_> and in those situations, a bugfix that halves my carrying capacity is somewhat .. vexing 20:23:25 <Smoovious> ugh... I need to move somewhere I can smoke inside again... can't pause, don't know how many news messages I miss while I'm outside. :P 20:26:50 <peter1138> maybe there's a savegame... 20:28:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> feature request: hide language warnings if run from within the makefile 20:29:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> (with override for translators) 20:34:43 <peter1138> request: fix language warnings 20:35:13 <Patrick_> request: the moon. on a stick. 20:36:16 <Tron> here is a prototype implementation: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/moon-on-stick.jpeg 20:37:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i am hardly able to fix errors in turkish.txt ;) 20:37:48 <Patrick_> yeah, I first heard the expression from the putty "wontfix" list :) 20:39:29 <Patrick_> hehe, they named the feature requests after lemmings difficulty 20:39:34 <Patrick_> MOS is "mayhem" 20:39:37 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: and you don't need to. there are no errors in turkish.txt 20:40:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, but there appear some if english.txt is changed 20:42:06 <peter1138> if english.txt is changed, then turkish.txt should also be changed, yes 20:44:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> this warning system is strange anyway 20:44:23 <peter1138> ... 20:44:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> it skips the basic "stringX is untranslated" message 20:44:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> but it says the "stringX is untranslated, tweaking plural stuff" 20:45:20 <glx> yes because plural form depends on selected language when playing 20:45:50 <Tron> Eddi|zuHause2: i ocnsider this a bug 20:51:30 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 20:55:39 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@p54B3579D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^2] 20:59:08 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Purno has spoken] 21:08:40 *** Jango [~daniel@puritan.demon.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:50 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B3579D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:30 <Darkvater> ugh, my sister has nicked the laptop :( 21:27:23 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i have narrowed down the PBS disfunctionality to the physics patch... 21:32:49 <Patrick_> I thought PBS died ... I don't spend enough time here 21:33:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, it did, but it was artificially kept alive in MiniIN until its successor could take over the job 21:34:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> which has yet to happen 21:39:16 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.homeip.net/~tfarago/samsung_bw205.jpg << behold zhe new monitor ^_^ 21:39:27 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2DAA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:39:31 <hylje> yay, samsng 21:39:37 <hylje> bah, windows 21:39:40 <Patrick_> that not the dell? 21:39:46 <Patrick_> my flatmate has one of them 21:39:59 <hylje> Patrick_: dell use the same displays, just in a different case 21:40:00 <Darkvater> hylje: it's my father's pc, cannot force him 21:40:02 <hylje> same for apple 21:40:07 <Patrick_> nice 21:40:47 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.homeip.net/~tfarago/samsung_bw205_%232.jpg 21:40:49 <Born_Acorn> If I ever fiddle with the PC my dad uses, and then it breaks five weeks later, he'll blame me! :o 21:40:55 <hylje> ive been eyeing the samsung ( or apple,dell) 30" display 21:40:57 <Darkvater> I wish he'd give me some money :) 21:41:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> train_cmd.c:447 (MiniIN) 21:41:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> if (GetSignalStateByTrackdir(v->u.rail.next_" target="_blank">u.rail.next_signal_tile, v->u.rail.next_" target="_blank">u.rail.next_signal_dir) == SIGNAL_STATE_RED && !v->u.rail.force_proceed) { 21:41:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> how would i go and make this check PBS aware? 21:41:39 <Born_Acorn> http://www.bornacorn.com/openttdwikisearch.shtml <-- Woo. 21:43:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> i should probably just copy-paste the bit from the train controller... 21:44:32 <Patrick_> mm, copy and paste 21:44:41 <hylje> http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/111106/math-is-addictive-dont-try-it.gif 21:44:47 <Patrick_> people often miss its companion operation, "make it compile again" 21:45:02 <hylje> if it compiles, ship it 21:45:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 21:46:21 <_Rince> Darkvater: Don't forget to take off the stickers from your new monitor. 21:46:24 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2ED78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:39 <_Rince> I hope you're not one of those people who leave stickers on all devices. 21:46:59 <Darkvater> hehe, it was only 3 hours old 21:47:06 <Darkvater> gotta bask in its glory :) 21:47:27 <glx> always good to test hardware before cleaning (just in case) 21:47:35 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N883P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:35 <Darkvater> the bad part is...my 17" LCD looks really crappy compared to that one and I'll be forced to buy a new one as well 21:48:04 <hylje> ha 21:48:10 <hylje> go for a 30" ^_^ 21:48:15 <hylje> and use e17 on it 21:48:26 <Darkvater> if I had the money :) 21:48:39 <hylje> e17 isnt expensive! it's Free! 21:49:49 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N898P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:52:13 <Smoovious> bah... got disconnected from the server I was playing on, and now I can't find it! :P 22:06:28 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90.224.32.143] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:17:58 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 22:27:49 *** _Rince [~hrshgn@gw.ptr-80-238-227-37.customer.ch.netstream.com] has quit [] 22:31:53 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-163-96.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 22:32:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> i do not know if that is the right approach, but it appears to fix the problem, so if anyone could check that out: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/pbs_fix.diff 22:32:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> (MiniIN) 22:33:09 <glx> looking 22:33:19 <Neonox> Tron: ping 22:35:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> the first change is to ignore the red signal if it is technically green, and the second change is so it is trying to search a new PBS path while waiting in front of the signal 22:35:29 *** Rens2DoomBuilde [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 22:35:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i am not sure how many things that could break 22:38:53 *** Aedendal [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:00 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:09 *** Aedendal [~dariius@82.138.86.21] has joined #openttd 22:46:51 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 22:47:56 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: what was the problem? 22:48:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> the trains that wait in front of a signal do not start, if their path was technicaly free, but the PBS signal showed red 22:48:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> while realistic acceleration was on 22:49:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> but they entered the PBS block allright while they were still running 22:49:47 <glx> hmm I see :) 22:51:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> there can be different approaches to solving that problem, but i do not know enough of the code to decide that 22:52:42 *** Rens2DoomBuilde [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/pbstest.sav if you want a test case 22:54:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/openttd.cfg for the savegame 22:55:50 <glx> aargg I need some grfs :) 22:56:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, it probably loads without them ;) 22:56:25 <glx> where can I get pb_av8? 22:56:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> from pikkarail? 22:57:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> it does not have any planes anway 22:58:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> without the above fix, the trains get stuck very often 22:58:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have not encountered any problems with the fix yet 23:03:21 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:05:37 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: is there a difference between pb_hovs.grf and pb_hovs_bus.grf ? 23:05:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't know 23:06:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> my pb_hovs_bus might be half a year old 23:07:36 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08:08 <Darkvater> *sigh* 23:08:32 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7131 /trunk/players.c: 23:08:32 <CIA-1> -Fix (r7126) which fixes (r2817) the activating of a function call that was 23:08:32 <CIA-1> 1. never executed before that and even if it would, it 23:08:32 <CIA-1> 2. could never be executed because if it did OpenTTD would crash 23:10:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> pb_hovs is probably just newer than pb_hovs_bus 23:17:26 *** ChrisM87_ [~ChrisM@p54AC6BE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:36 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 23:20:26 *** Progman [~progman@p5091CE2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:13 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 23:24:01 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Away 23:24:39 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:24:39 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 23:26:11 *** Ammler [~Ammler@142-190.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:00 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-213.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 23:32:41 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: I made some test 23:32:54 <glx> with only first change no effects 23:33:04 <glx> with only second change traffic jam 23:34:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, it should need both changes 23:36:27 <glx> with both changes more money in the same time :) 23:37:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, trains tend to earn less money while they are stuck ;) 23:41:19 <glx> seems to work 23:46:12 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-220-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 23:51:12 *** lws|Away is now known as lws1984