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00:01:09 <Brianetta> It does? 00:01:36 <Brianetta> It does. 00:01:39 <Brianetta> Cool. 00:01:43 * Brianetta transparentifies 00:02:50 <peter1138> heh 00:03:04 <Brianetta> Actually, it doesn't 00:03:14 <Brianetta> it's cheating witht he background picture 00:03:26 <peter1138> it does with the right gubbins 00:03:37 <Brianetta> I have those gubbins ): 00:04:51 <lolman> Get Beryl installed, hold Super and scroll your mouse wheel :-D 00:05:02 <lolman> Oops 00:05:04 <lolman> Hold Alt 00:05:05 <lolman> :P 00:05:09 <Brianetta> I have Beryl installed. It's unstable and unusable (both). 00:05:19 <lolman> Ah 00:05:20 <Brianetta> It gives me a white cube (with, er, drop shadows) 00:05:29 <Brianetta> I am using compiz-quinnstorm 00:05:50 <Brianetta> and alt-scroll will make everything transparent, whereas one wants the text not to be transparent. 00:05:52 <Sacro> Brianetta: it doesnt cheat if your using beryl 00:06:10 <Brianetta> Sacro: It doesn't do anything if I'm using beryl. 00:06:17 <Brianetta> I have to kill the wm just to see window contents. 00:06:24 <tormentum> www.beryl-project.org: Server hard drive disk failed on Sunday, and we're currently trying to rescue it even though it does not look good at all. Apologies. 00:06:47 <Sacro> ive had beryl running for 7 hours now with no problems 00:06:51 <Brianetta> Besides, Beryl's feel is all wrong. It spins the cube too fast. 00:06:57 <lolman> 2 days straight here 00:06:59 <lolman> :) 00:07:18 <Brianetta> Also, Ctrl-Alt-Down shows you the bottom face, which is useless. Compiz does a filmstrip of desktops, which isn't 00:07:18 <HMage> it's evil microsoft responsible for HD crash 00:07:32 <Sacro> Brianetta: beryl has the filmstrip too 00:07:46 <tormentum> why did they fork? 00:07:51 <Sacro> "Desktop Plane" 00:08:08 <Sacro> tormentum: create a better alternative 00:08:23 <Brianetta> Desktop plane isn't zoomed out, and crashes really fast if you do it with the mouse. 00:08:47 <Brianetta> The only thing I don't like about compiz, is that the close button on all windows is on the right 00:09:05 <tormentum> just got my hands on windoze 2 k source code... 00:09:08 <tormentum> it's a fun read :P 00:09:12 <Brianetta> and, unlike almost all other systems (including most WMs and Windows) I can't even double-click the icon to close a window. 00:10:10 <tormentum> "/* whoever wrote this piece of code needs to come to my office for an ass-kicking */" 00:11:42 *** tormentum is now known as tormentum_afl 00:12:20 *** Tess [~Ooper@82.197.21.122] has joined #openttd 00:13:06 *** Ooper [~Ooper@82.197.21.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:02 *** Sacro_ [~ben@83.100.248.135] has joined #openttd 00:14:09 <lolman> w00t got Xfce working :P 00:14:14 <lolman> (On arch) :P 00:14:15 <Sacro_> tormentum_afl: :o where you get 2k source? 00:14:18 <Sacro_> lolman: sweet 00:14:36 <lolman> Resolution is HUGE though 00:14:39 <Naksu> Sacro_: it was leaked a couple of years ago 00:14:40 <Sacro_> hehe 00:14:42 <lolman> Where's the X config held? 00:14:47 <Sacro_> Naksu: is it still floating around? 00:14:51 <Naksu> yes 00:15:01 <Naksu> i have a copy saved :) 00:15:08 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:09 <Sacro_> any subtle pointers on where to find it? 00:15:14 <Naksu> emule 00:15:24 <Naksu> oh wait, you meant subtle 00:15:30 <Naksu> the intertubes 00:15:36 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:15:38 <Naksu> basically 00:15:39 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-154-228.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:15:43 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 00:15:47 <Brianetta> xfc with a compositing xfwm would be so damned fast 00:15:52 <Naksu> _everything_ that ever was, is, or will be, is in emule 00:15:55 <Sacro> Brianetta: xfc? 00:15:59 <Brianetta> xfce 00:16:01 <Sacro> Naksu: no torrents? 00:16:02 <Naksu> except registered blast miner 1.04 00:16:04 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 00:16:12 <lolman> Try that again shall we... 00:16:14 <Sacro> Brianetta: XFCE + beryl? 00:16:18 <Brianetta> Sacro: NO 00:16:28 <Sacro> lolman: pacman -S hwd 00:16:28 <Brianetta> xfce with a compositing version of xfwm 00:16:32 <Naksu> Sacro: i dont think there's any around 00:16:35 <Brianetta> not that bloatware that is Beryl 00:16:39 <Sacro> then "hwd -xa" and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf 00:16:42 <Naksu> there's a lot of comment dumps tho 00:16:45 <lolman> Okies :) 00:16:47 <lolman> Cheers 00:17:06 <Brianetta> If xfwm offloaded rectangle moves and window sstacking to the GPU, it'd be much, much faster. 00:17:18 <Brianetta> No window redraws, etc 00:17:32 <Naksu> Sacro: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/2/15/71552/7795 00:19:07 <lolman> Wow...runs fecking quick... 00:19:10 <Naksu> my favorite being: 00:19:12 <Naksu> "The specific idiot in this case is Office95, which likes to free a random pointer when you start Word95 from a desktop shortcut." 00:19:33 <Naksu> how do you free a random pointer unintentionally? 00:20:13 *** tormentum_afl [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:20:21 *** Tess [~Ooper@82.197.21.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:20:57 <lolman> Where are the startup scripts held? lol 00:21:06 <lolman> As in system startup :P 00:23:07 <Ailure> http://starfoxporn.ytmnd.com/ 00:23:14 <Ailure> ytmnd is making me stay up for too long 00:23:52 <Sacro> lolman: /etc/rc.d/ 00:24:07 *** Ooper [~Ooper@82.197.21.122] has joined #openttd 00:24:12 <lolman> Of course...lol 00:24:21 <lolman> No wonder gdm was in there :P 00:25:31 <peter1138> Brianetta: that should be possible with xfwm 00:25:37 <lolman> (decided to make life easier by having graphical login) :P 00:25:42 <peter1138> in window manager tweaks there's a compositor setting... 00:28:25 <lolman> I promise myself I'll have GNOME working by the time I go to sleep 00:28:28 <lolman> :) 00:28:41 <Sacro> lolman: pacman -S gnome gnome-extra 00:28:45 <Sacro> and follow the wiki 00:28:50 <lolman> Sacro, lol 00:29:08 <lolman> You didn't have to tell me :P 00:29:42 *** lolman is now known as lolman|t3hn00b 00:30:03 *** Digitalfox [~digitalfo@bl8-43-195.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:30:12 <Sacro> lolman|t3hn00b: www.linuxfromscratch.org 00:30:21 <lolman|t3hn00b> Get lost :P 00:31:44 <lolman|t3hn00b> I'll probably never be able to do that :P 00:32:29 <Sacro> i did that about 3 years ago 00:32:36 <Sacro> i learn soooooooo much 00:32:42 <Naksu> actually 00:32:47 <lolman|t3hn00b> Well I'm a total n00b :) 00:32:51 <Naksu> you dont learn shit by doing it by the manual 00:33:03 <Naksu> and you learn even less by installing gentoo 00:33:08 <Sacro> however i have only just discovered the danger of sneezing whilst looking up 00:34:04 <lolman|t3hn00b> Naksu, I probably know the least about Linux out of everyone in here 00:34:36 *** Ooper [~Ooper@82.197.21.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:34:55 *** Ooper [~Ooper@82.197.21.122] has joined #openttd 00:35:03 <Naksu> lolman|t3hn00b: i only know enough to have it with every fibre of my being 00:35:15 <Sacro> lolman|t3hn00b: doubt it 00:35:48 <lolman|t3hn00b> Sacro, you actually think I know more about a subject than someone else? 00:35:53 <Naksu> while i have nothing against the development process itself, the end result is... kinda like the infinite monkey thing 00:36:54 <Sacro> lolman|t3hn00b: belive me , there are worse peope in #archlinux 00:37:03 <lolman|t3hn00b> Naksu, I just use it because it's free :P 00:37:09 <lolman|t3hn00b> Sacro, :O 00:37:44 <Brianetta> linux is just this OS, you know? 00:38:17 <lolman|t3hn00b> Brianetta, nope, Linux is just the kernel :) 00:38:36 <Sacro> Brianetta: quite basterdising douglas adams :p 00:38:48 <Brianetta> lolman: A technicality that has been made as obsolete and futile as hackers being anything other than criminals. 00:38:51 <HMage> Hey Darkvater, how about adding this into first line of every source code: "IF YOU CHANGE TABS TO SPACES, YOU WILL BE KILLED!!!"? :) 00:39:06 <HMage> of every OpenTTD source code file* 00:39:20 <Sacro> HMage: that'd be against the GPL 00:39:31 <HMage> okay, after GPL clause 00:39:53 <Ailure> and how would they get changed into spaces? 00:39:55 <Sacro> HMage: no what i mean is you cannot kill someone for changing something 00:40:02 <lolman|t3hn00b> You MAY do it, but expect lolman to beat you senseless with a stick 00:40:07 <Naksu> Ailure: by copying from a terminal 00:40:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: oops, that was quit] 00:40:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:40:30 <Sacro> Brianetta: impressive 00:41:04 <Zevensoft> put random "// HACK HACK HACK"s everywhere 00:41:26 <Zevensoft> int i = 0; // THIS IS A HACK 00:41:43 <Naksu> why would you do that 00:41:52 * HMage hackhackhacks everyone 00:41:57 <Ailure> and why would people want to copy from a terminal? xD 00:42:01 <Ailure> linux users using VI? 00:42:20 <Zevensoft> ew vi 00:42:26 <Naksu> just have int i; and do a for (i=0;i<9;i++) for easy mental skipping 00:42:32 <HMage> "* The magnitude of this hack compares favorably with that of the national debt." 00:42:39 <HMage> ROFLOL 00:42:39 <Naksu> Ailure: actually 00:42:52 <Naksu> i copy from the terminal quite often 00:43:05 <Naksu> luckily no-one ever gets to see the source 00:44:00 <Ailure> ah 00:44:40 <Naksu> unless i intentionally show it 00:45:01 <Naksu> http://youzen.ext.b2.fi/~naksu/switchsauce.txt here's the source for a ragnarok online freeserver utility :) 00:45:17 <Ailure> Can't people just use 00:45:21 <Ailure> a autoformat tool before they send it? 00:45:26 <Ailure> or whatever it's called 00:45:41 <Ailure> In the various I use, I tend to use than now and then to get the right amount of tabs :P 00:46:00 <Naksu> launches a different exe based on whether foxdye should be used and windows version 00:46:01 <Ailure> freeserver? 00:46:04 <Ailure> as a private server? 00:46:07 <HMage> " * To implement this undocumented API we will use the NT undocumented API" 00:46:07 <Naksu> Ailure: read: pirate server 00:46:08 <Ailure> funny I happen to be a GM for one 00:46:09 <Ailure> haha 00:46:20 <Naksu> i was a gm for one for a while 00:46:35 <Naksu> before that i was a developer for random uo shards since i was like 13 00:47:02 <Ailure> But I'm getting more intrested in doing online games of my own 00:47:07 <Naksu> surprisingly there's quite a bit you can do once you learn the brainfuck that is escript 00:47:22 <Naksu> (scripting language used in POL) 00:48:23 <Ailure> then when I think on it, I done alot of grey area stuff 00:48:26 <Ailure> :) 00:48:45 <Ailure> such as reverse engineering of various games 00:49:05 <Ailure> Which I belive is fine by Swedish laws anyway 00:49:49 <Naksu> haha 00:50:21 <Naksu> i made a sort-of cracked version of the microsoft print migration tool for use in a place that's part of the microsoft campus program thingy 00:50:52 <Naksu> (just nuked the window creation so the program runs "silent") 00:51:18 <Ailure> Hadn't hacked alot of Win32 programs though 00:51:23 <Ailure> but I might screw around a bit for fun someday 00:52:44 <Naksu> just a disclaimer that i barely understand the stuff 00:53:02 <Ailure> heh 00:53:07 <Ailure> oh yeah for that privcate server I mentioned 00:53:14 <Ailure> the main GM knows assembly quite well 00:53:27 <Ailure> and even have "customized" the client and added various features 00:53:40 <Ailure> such as the client being able to react on certain server commands 00:53:45 <Naksu> i know assembly quite well, just not any API :D 00:54:01 <Ailure> I belive that could be the hardest part on a Win32 system ;P 00:54:08 <Naksu> any system really 00:54:16 <Ailure> I don't see much X86 Win32 ASM hacking 00:54:20 <Ailure> only TTDpatch comes to mind 00:54:27 <Naksu> Ailure: all cracks :) 00:54:40 <Naksu> and 00:54:41 <Ailure> yeah true, but they're actually quite simple when you think on it 00:54:51 <Naksu> Ailure: hell no 00:54:53 <Naksu> some of them are 00:54:56 <Ailure> most of them is about finding the copy protection and making it skip it 00:55:14 <Ailure> well it depends 00:55:15 <Naksu> but usually it's like a maze of jumps back and forth 00:55:30 <Naksu> and dummy comparisons 00:56:09 <Naksu> you might notice that half the program code is never actually run 00:56:20 <Ailure> well some programs are kind of stupid when it comes to copy protection 00:56:26 <Ailure> Like starcraft heh 00:56:34 <Ailure> or rather 00:56:41 <Ailure> I remember not installing the spawned version 00:56:44 <Naksu> any game with securom 7 :) 00:56:56 <Ailure> and still being able to play one CD, since as soon the blue screen about the CD missing comes up 00:56:59 <Ailure> you just press esc 00:57:02 <Ailure> until it stops whining 00:57:05 <Ailure> and then it works fine 00:57:27 <Ailure> well that's not really copy protection 00:57:34 <Ailure> more like it trying to request files that it dosen't really need 00:58:13 <Ailure> Or for some stupid RTS game 00:58:24 <Ailure> I remember some crack that just remapped the CD drive to A: 00:58:35 <Ailure> so whenever the game tries to use the CD 00:58:40 <Ailure> it tries to load a floppy disc 00:58:47 <Ailure> it worked, but was really annoying 00:58:55 <Ailure> becuse how often that happened 00:59:07 <Naksu> CLANK CLANK 00:59:10 <Ailure> yeah 00:59:26 *** Zevensoft [~Zevensoft@220-253-110-113.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:27 <HMage> starforce isn't an easy think to circumvent 00:59:31 <HMage> thing* 00:59:51 <Ailure> well heh 01:00:02 <Ailure> I have a belief that cd protection dosen't do much at sales 01:00:05 <Ailure> so if I ever make a game 01:00:32 <Ailure> I either make a system taht is kind of hard to pirate (MMORPG) or just dosen't bother at all 01:00:57 <Ailure> Yes I know about private servers, but I doubt they really steal potentional players when I think on it 01:01:24 <HMage> private servers are for circumvented clients, I know many shards for wow, eq, uo and many others. 01:01:37 <HMage> they're just not as popular as official ones of course. 01:01:43 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84BB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:02:12 <Naksu> wow doesnt really work unofficially 01:02:18 <Naksu> UO and RO are nice tho 01:02:30 <HMage> Rangarock Online is raging wild here in russia. 01:02:34 <Naksu> Ailure: it just needs to be there 01:02:39 <Ailure> Most people play RO private servers becuse of increased exp rates 01:02:45 <Ailure> which is understandable 01:02:51 <Naksu> the original tribes failed because it didnt have any copy protection for a multiplayer game 01:02:54 <Ailure> RO at 1x is a levelling treadmill 01:02:58 <HMage> wow is playable with bnetd and some registry hacks 01:03:08 <Naksu> bnetd? 01:03:16 <Naksu> wow? 01:03:18 <HMage> unix battle.net emulator 01:03:24 <Naksu> wow doesnt use battle.net :) 01:03:35 <Sacro> night all 01:03:46 <HMage> afaik it does 01:03:46 <Naksu> but i'm not saying that it isnt emulatable 01:03:51 <Ailure> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~owend/free/bnetd.html 01:03:58 <Naksu> HMage: warcraft does 01:04:03 <Ailure> It's funny though 01:04:03 *** Sacro [~ben@83.100.248.135] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:04 <Naksu> world of warcraft definately does not 01:04:06 <Ailure> becuse a similar tool 01:04:10 <Ailure> for emulating westwood online 01:04:16 <Ailure> get's offical recnogontion 01:04:19 *** tokai [~tokai@84.184.28.167] has joined #openttd 01:04:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:04:20 <Naksu> but anyways, i'm saying the game isnt any fun with less than 10000 people per server 01:04:30 <Ailure> and EA games even gave over the support for it 01:05:48 <Naksu> i need sleep 01:05:49 <Naksu> gn :) 01:06:31 <Ailure> I need sleep too 01:07:54 *** Zevensoft [~Zevensoft@220-253-110-113.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:07:58 <HMage> I agree, but if you have 110$/month income (average russian income), paying 50$ for a game is a little too much - people barely manage to keep up with the hardware upgrades, so the games are sold 99% pirated here. 01:08:34 <HMage> I work for the company that targets remaining 1% (most of the live in moscow, moscow income average is 900$) 01:08:40 <HMage> of them* 01:10:50 *** PandaMojo [~panda@67.183.223.161] has joined #openttd 01:11:10 *** Zevensoft [~Zevensoft@220-253-110-113.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:14:54 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 01:15:26 *** robobed is now known as roboboy 01:17:43 <PandaMojo> Yes I bloody know you can't look up my hostname helium.oftc.net >_> 01:21:13 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:21:13 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 01:50:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-205-140.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:51:32 <roboboy> bye 01:51:37 *** roboboy is now known as roboaway 01:52:00 *** ZBServer [~ZBServer@c-69-243-92-235.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:18:08 <ZBServer> can you password protect AI companies in multiplayer? 02:25:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> is AI even possible in multiplayer? 02:31:05 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7668D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:32:02 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:37:31 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B76AF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:39:03 *** Digitalfox [~digitalfo@bl8-43-195.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 02:53:14 *** tokai [~tokai@84.184.28.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:55:48 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8353B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:55:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 02:57:12 <ZBServer> yea it is 02:57:19 <ZBServer> its in configure patches 02:57:24 <ZBServer> and i have it running right now 02:57:33 <ZBServer> its open public server 03:07:15 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-140-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:26:25 *** Netsplit lithium.oftc.net <-> testlink-alpha.oftc.net quits: ThePizzaKing, Prof_Frink, qb_ 03:26:45 *** Netsplit over, joins: Prof_Frink 03:26:54 *** qb [~qball@ipd50a4125.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 03:30:07 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:32:26 *** jotham [~jotham@office.clicksuite.co.nz] has joined #openttd 03:32:35 <jotham> pew 03:40:49 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:46:24 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2FA85.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:53:23 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2F9D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:05:22 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 04:05:58 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:06:01 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:07:16 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:08:50 *** DannyA [~Miranda@CPE-60-230-243-219.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:10:28 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 05:11:10 *** enra [~enra@143.238.114.186] has joined #openttd 05:19:01 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:20:42 *** Osai [~Osai@p57AAF629.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:20:53 <DannyA> Howdy. Can anyone tell me where IDC_STATIC is normally defined? I've been replacing it with -1 to compile... 05:26:59 <DaleStan> DannyA: Only one file contains that identifier. Look at the files it #includes, and the files they #include, if any. 05:28:39 <DaleStan> DannyA: :oops: Sorry, that wasn't actually helpful was it. If it were defined ... 05:29:37 <DaleStan> DannyA: For me, its defined in both winres.h and afxres.h, depending on which compiler I use. 05:51:57 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 05:57:46 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:57:46 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 06:08:10 <DannyA> Thanks DaleStan, I'll check if I got those somewhere 06:25:09 <DannyA> Removing the afxres.h I copied as part of the VSExpress setup proceedure allowed it to find the one with the definition (installed by VS2005pro). The one I got from open foundation contained no definitions - don't know why. There is one other thing I always have to change - the linker can't find LIBC.lib, and a search in files turns up no references to it. Any idea what the story is there? 06:30:36 <DaleStan> That a default library that the linker always links with, unless you explicitly instruct it otherwise. 06:30:36 <DaleStan> +is 06:31:42 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 06:34:00 <lolman|t3hn00b> Argh, t3h lag :( 06:34:00 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 06:36:41 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:36:41 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 06:40:51 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:42:51 *** lolman|t3hn00b is now known as lolman 06:46:44 *** roboaway is now known as roboboy 06:53:56 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 06:56:53 <DannyA> Thanks, I think I'll just keep excluding it which seems to work ok. 06:57:55 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:00:46 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05:30 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 07:12:53 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:13:14 *** Runic [Runic@chtax23-a201.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:14:10 *** Runic [Runic@chtax23-a201.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 07:20:51 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 07:26:07 * roboboy tv 07:26:11 *** roboboy is now known as robotv 07:28:33 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:29:43 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77872.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:33:16 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7668D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:45:51 *** DannyA [~Miranda@CPE-60-230-243-219.wa.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:51:27 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 07:53:36 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 07:55:58 *** ZBServer [~ZBServer@c-69-243-92-235.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:56:24 *** ZBServer [~ZBServer@c-69-243-92-235.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:58:13 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:00:14 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:07:12 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@firewall1.driftbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:13:43 <hylje> http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1164787687078.jpg 08:22:15 *** ufoun [~ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 08:35:44 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:38:44 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 08:42:57 *** PandaMojo [~panda@67.183.223.161] has quit [Quit: PandaMojo] 08:51:08 <Darkvater> morning 08:53:30 <hylje> evening 09:07:23 *** robotv is now known as roboboy 09:18:28 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F218E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:28:45 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 09:38:19 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:38:55 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39:45 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has joined #openttd 09:40:40 <peter1138> hylje: four oh four 09:40:59 <hylje> 4chan tends to expire those fairly fast 09:44:06 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:51:20 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:06:03 *** SimonRC [sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:08:53 <Darkvater> hi the petah 10:09:09 <hylje> :o 10:11:55 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 10:15:06 <Darkvater> :O 10:15:12 <Darkvater> E U R U S D Dn 1 . 3 1 6 1 + . 0 0 0 3 10:15:26 <Darkvater> I haven't seen the dollar so low in years 10:15:55 <hylje> now you have 10:16:02 *** AtzaMan [n2m9a2m6g@91.148.97.7] has joined #openttd 10:16:25 <AtzaMan> hi all 10:16:51 <Darkvater> hi 10:17:09 <AtzaMan> can someone tell me why cobras planespeed patch crash with r7194 10:17:24 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:17:35 <Darkvater> you need to talk to cobra about that since it's his patch 10:18:27 <AtzaMan> i dont really need that patch only the speed variable to multyply it bu 8 10:18:39 <AtzaMan> and thats all 10:18:41 <Darkvater> you need to talk to cobra about that since it's his patch 10:18:48 <AtzaMan> Ok 10:18:57 <Darkvater> only he knows what his patch does and what might be wrong with it 10:19:30 <AtzaMan> do you know how to change game variables ingame? 10:19:46 <peter1138> multiply by *eight* ? 10:19:50 <AtzaMan> yes 10:19:50 <Darkvater> which variables? 10:19:55 <peter1138> isn't that a bit... fast? 10:19:58 <AtzaMan> aircraft speed 10:19:58 <Darkvater> peter1138: probably 'realistic plane speeds' or something 10:20:05 <peter1138> Darkvater: that's multiply by four 10:20:15 <peter1138> well 10:20:24 <peter1138> where "realistic" means "same speed as trains" 10:20:27 <AtzaMan> try comparing the tiles 10:20:47 <AtzaMan> a plane of 600mph should eat a chimaera 10:21:05 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 10:21:10 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 10:21:35 <Darkvater> wb DaleStan 10:25:20 <DaleStan> This is supremely irritating. If you're going to make a router with filtering, make the filtering able to handle the type of load that makes the filtering necessary in the first place. 10:26:00 <peter1138> AtzaMan: 4 should make it make 10:26:14 <peter1138> err 10:26:15 <peter1138> match 10:26:26 <peter1138> i.e. a 300 mph plane goes the same speed as a 300 mph train 10:27:08 <peter1138> i should keep my planespeed units patch up to date 10:27:12 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@firewall1.driftbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:27:24 <peter1138> i need to fiddle with (de)acceleration though 10:27:35 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:29:51 <Darkvater> goodbye DaleStan 10:30:00 <Darkvater> oh wait, that's the old one 10:30:10 <peter1138> heh 10:30:45 * peter1138 wonders if DaleStan knows of any grfs that use varaction2 subroutines 10:31:26 * DaleStan does not. 10:33:28 <AtzaMan> 4 does match train but does it match road vehs and ships? 10:34:06 <enra> quick question - i'm looking for the openttdpatch but can only find the ttdpatch, are they the same thing? (stupid question i know) 10:34:32 <DaleStan> OpenTTDPatch does not exist. Never has, never will. 10:35:09 <enra> awwww 10:35:10 <Darkvater> technically ttdpatch is open ;p 10:35:12 <DaleStan> OpenTTD and TTDPatch both exist, but are two separate and basically incompatible things. 10:35:44 <enra> so it most likely crash game 10:35:53 <ln-> DaleStan: of course it exists. 10:35:56 <DaleStan> What is "it"? 10:36:17 <enra> ttdpatch 10:36:22 <ln-> DaleStan: OpenTTDPatch. why else would there be the "Configure patches" window in ottd? 10:37:33 <DaleStan> No. TTDPatch won't crash on your TTDPatch games any more than OpenTTD will crash on your OpenTTD games. 10:37:55 <Darkvater> I like that; shows faith in your product 10:38:33 <AtzaMan> when will planespeed patch become integrated with minIN, and how do i find richk67? 10:38:43 <Darkvater> now, DaleStan, what is this thing I keep hearing about grfcodec PNG support? 10:39:19 <roboboy> wont it allow grfs to be encoded from pngs instead of pcx's 10:40:14 <DaleStan> It was in progress. I've got it reading PNGs, but I can't figure out how to write PNGs gracefully. 10:41:06 <Darkvater> AtzaMan: on the forums, you can mail/pm him 10:42:07 <Tron> writing PNGs is about the same as reading 10:42:19 <Tron> mostly it's replacing "read" with "write" in the function names 10:44:19 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:45:48 <peter1138> i was wondering about allowing png references in newgrf files, for the 32bpp branch 10:45:48 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:46:07 <DaleStan> The problem is that grfcodec doesn't write the PCX header until it's done writing the data, and actually knows how big the image will be. AFAICT, libpng doesn't allow that behaviour. 10:46:39 <Brianetta> Isn't it possible to buffer it? 10:46:43 <Brianetta> How large are the images? 10:46:51 <peter1138> depends on the number of sprites :) 10:47:03 <peter1138> trg1r.grf is rather large 10:47:04 <Brianetta> Oh, they're all in one imagE? 10:47:13 <peter1138> yes 10:47:24 <Brianetta> I imagined that they were in some sort of indexed archive, like a tar 10:47:35 <peter1138> i suppose it could use a separate image file for each sprite 10:47:46 <peter1138> but when there are 3000+ of them in one grf... 10:48:09 <Tron> peter1138: you mean like this: 10:48:09 <Tron> %ls -l | wc -l 10:48:10 <Tron> 5573 10:48:13 <peter1138> heh 10:48:15 <peter1138> yeah :) 10:48:40 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 10:48:56 <Brianetta> Well, perhaps writing to a swap file first, then writing the header and writing the swap contents after that? 10:48:58 <peter1138> Tron, do you know if the 32bpp branch allows arbitrary mixing of 32bpp and 8bpp sprites, or does it require different code to draw each type? 10:49:21 <peter1138> (at the addsortablesprite level) 10:49:28 <Tron> iirc 8bpp sprites get recoded to 32bpp 10:50:13 <Tron> uh, there are different functions 10:50:26 <jotham> can people make custom graphics for openttd? 10:50:30 <jotham> i'd quite like to make some trees 10:50:34 <peter1138> jotham, yes 10:50:37 *** AtzaMan [n2m9a2m6g@91.148.97.7] has quit [] 10:50:47 <Tron> DrawSpriteWithHint() and DrawSprite32() 10:50:53 <Tron> but the first is just a wrapper for the latter 10:51:10 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 10:51:14 <Tron> you can specify all kind of funky stuff what to do with the sprite 10:51:30 <peter1138> does AddSortableSpriteToDraw handle that then? hmm 10:51:39 <Tron> for example you can give it a hint that it is a tile sprite so the alpha values don't get interpolated on scaling 10:51:50 <peter1138> AddSortableSpriteToDraw32() 10:51:51 <peter1138> ok 10:51:52 <peter1138> that's crappy 10:52:14 <DaleStan__> Grr... 10:52:15 <DaleStan__> Size depends on the grf file. trg1r.grf generates a 800x18928 image, but the theoretical limit is infinity. 10:52:59 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:53:09 <peter1138> you could calculate the size needed first 10:53:22 <peter1138> would involve reworking the code though, i bet 10:53:29 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:53:29 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 10:53:51 <peter1138> or just save to files... trg1r_0001.png etc 10:54:20 <Brianetta> DaleStan: Is infinity some large power of 2? 10:54:55 <DaleStan> Hmm... Probably. 10:55:27 * DaleStan tries to remember the documented limits on libpng's output. 10:55:29 <peter1138> 2^infinity 10:55:36 <Brianetta> ouch, peter1138 10:56:12 <Darkvater> showoff 10:56:20 <Darkvater> infinity 10:57:26 <Brianetta> Everybody knows that infinity + 1 == 0 - (infinity +1) 10:57:30 <DaleStan> I think the PNG format is limited to 2^32-1 in both dimensions, but libpng limits it to something sane, like 1 million in both dimensions. 10:57:32 <Brianetta> for any given architecture 10:57:58 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:58:41 <Tron> Brianetta: if you assumed "infinity == largest positive number", then your statement is wrong 10:58:50 * Brianetta frowns 11:00:55 <Brianetta> I'll have to take your word for it. 11:00:58 <blathijs> Tron: Is it? 11:01:07 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-0163.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: edgepro: There are two kinds of people, those who finish what they start and so on.] 11:01:13 <Brianetta> I thought I was right 11:01:17 <Brianetta> well, of course I did 11:01:40 <DaleStan> Well, architectures that aren't twos-complement come to mind. 11:01:50 <DaleStan> But I don't know how many of those there are. 11:01:55 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-0163.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 11:02:01 <Tron> well, he said "any given architecture" 11:02:02 *** Belugas [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 11:02:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 11:02:23 <Brianetta> Well, I've only ever been given five (: 11:02:33 <Tron> also there are floating point numbers 11:02:43 <Tron> there infinity + 1 is infinity 11:02:47 <Brianetta> They're not real* numbers 11:02:54 <Brianetta> *real, as in, not pretend 11:03:02 <Tron> if the coding floating point number has a representation for inifinity 11:03:30 <Tron> interesting that you call them "not real", Pascal calls its floating point numbers "real" 11:03:55 <Brianetta> I qualified that 11:04:16 <Brianetta> They are part of the mathematic set named "real numbers" 11:04:25 <jotham> where can i find a 'TODO' list for TTD 11:04:29 <jotham> er OPENTTD 11:04:30 <Brianetta> but floating point numbers in computers are, at best, a very close approximation. 11:04:46 <Brianetta> It's harder to argue with an integer. 11:04:48 <Tron> very close? hardly 11:05:08 <jotham> heh Brianetta can't win today 11:05:11 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:05:17 <Darkvater> can't ever 11:05:25 <Brianetta> floats have a gven precision. 11:05:41 <peter1138> that doesn't mean they're close 11:05:52 <Brianetta> at best 11:05:53 <jotham> depends on your frame of reference 11:06:04 <jotham> close is such a dirty subjective word 11:06:24 <jotham> i'm close to death as far as the mountians are concerned 11:06:30 <Brianetta> Indeed you are 11:06:41 <Brianetta> at best, you have a mere century ahead of you 11:06:50 <Tron> every existing machine has a finite number of floating point numbers it can represent 11:07:03 <YogSothoth> Hello 11:07:15 <Brianetta> Tron: Of course, they're finite state machines. 11:07:15 <Tron> but there are a countable infinite amount of rational numbers 11:07:29 <Tron> and there are even more irrational numbers, the are even uncountable! 11:07:37 <Darkvater> jotham: there is no general todo list. There is one for 0.5 but most people pretty much know what is there to be done ;p 11:07:41 <Tron> s/ the / they / 11:08:04 <jotham> i was just curious about the future, cause it looks pretty much done from the feature list and the running of the program 11:08:14 * peter1138 hides from Darkvater 11:08:21 <Brianetta> The set of rational numbers is a power of the number of integers, IIRC 11:08:32 * Darkvater has the all-seeing-eye nobody can hide from me! 11:08:35 <Brianetta> set of integers, I mean 11:08:49 <Brianetta> Darkvater: You're an IRCop now? 11:09:35 <Tron> there are isomorph mappings between the integers and rational numbers 11:09:38 <Darkvater> I don't need such pity powers when I am already allmighty 11:09:43 <Darkvater> watch! 11:09:50 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: hi 11:09:58 <KUDr_wrk> hello my master 11:10:01 <Darkvater> see? 11:10:05 * Darkvater pats KUDr_wrk 11:10:14 <KUDr_wrk> thank you my lord 11:10:32 <Darkvater> dammit, I'm at work and have to chuckle silently 11:11:20 <peter1138> :D 11:11:44 <YogSothoth> Can you tell me what art movement is the original TT cover? Cubo-Futurism? http://tinyurl.com/ydzdgb 11:12:40 <Brianetta> Either KUDr was briefed in advance, or Darkvater is an ebil hack0rater 11:12:59 * KUDr_wrk slaps Brianetta 11:13:06 <Brianetta> ): 11:13:10 <Darkvater> down, boy, easy now... 11:13:41 * Brianetta wants his lightsaber 11:13:54 <peter1138> i want that car on the left 11:14:05 <Brianetta> What sort of car is it? 11:14:14 <peter1138> dunno 11:14:35 <peter1138> but it has some sort of pod instead of doors... 11:14:42 <Darkvater> it's a podcar 11:15:07 <YogSothoth> or the Deluxe version, with updated vehicles but same art style: http://tinyurl.com/yfzyw5 11:15:09 <Tron> uh... 11:15:15 <Tron> "KOMPLETT IN DEUTCH" 11:15:17 <Tron> DEUTCH? 11:15:24 <Darkvater> -E ? 11:15:33 <Darkvater> or +S 11:16:01 <Tron> "KOMPLETT IN DEUTCH BIS AUF DAS FEHLENDE S" 11:16:10 <YogSothoth> Tron: so? 11:16:18 <Tron> (complete in deutch except for the missing s" 11:17:13 <Tron> Darkvater: i guess it's the german box. look at the lower left. 11:18:51 <Darkvater> yea 11:18:59 <Darkvater> lol, coloured-Piets 11:19:03 <Darkvater> http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/70921 11:19:12 <Darkvater> gay-parade 11:25:34 <peter1138> grand parade 11:26:09 <Brianetta> Once we have shared rails, it'd be neat to have the ability to sell stock to other players... or even loan stock. 11:26:39 <Brianetta> Then one could borrow a loco when cash was tight 11:29:37 <smeding> 'lo 11:29:44 <peter1138> we had some discussion once of how to implement shared rails 11:30:11 <Brianetta> I know 11:30:21 <Brianetta> The outcomeof said discussions were wikied 11:30:31 <peter1138> hmm 11:31:01 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 11:31:04 <Brianetta> re DaleStan_ 11:32:36 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-0969.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 11:33:32 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 11:33:48 *** YogSothoth [~john@lns-bzn-27-82-248-63-142.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:34:13 * peter1138 ponders the distribution of lime & orange tictacs 11:34:54 <peter1138> i've got one pack with 8 lime tictacs 11:35:07 *** YogSothoth [~john@lns-bzn-55-82-255-160-47.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:36:10 <Brianetta> lime are less enjoyable, so that's good. Enough for variety, not enough to spil the experience. 11:36:16 <Brianetta> spoil 11:37:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EE7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:38:04 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:40:03 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:30 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-140-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:55 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7285 /trunk/newgrf_engine.c: -Fix (r7282): Our vehstatus is a byte, not a word. 11:49:21 <Brianetta> You tell 'em, peter1138 11:49:28 <peter1138> gcc doesn't complain, msvc does... 11:49:52 <Brianetta> Which compiler builds the nightlies? 11:49:54 <peter1138> gcc 11:50:30 <Brianetta> It seems that portable code would be much easier to write if MS didn't publish compilers. 11:51:11 <hylje> o rly? 11:51:16 <hylje> that's part of ms's intention 11:51:25 <hylje> make it hard to do portable code 11:51:36 <ln-> compilers would also be a lot worse in that case. 11:51:45 <smeding> so people will choose writing windows code because more people can use it ;/ 11:52:06 <smeding> (to add to < hylje> make it hard to do portable code) 11:54:55 <HMage> I see TCHAR had stirred quite a trouble :) 12:01:46 <HMage> oops, I need to wake up first. 12:02:04 <peter1138> why? 12:02:07 <peter1138> sleeping's good 12:02:20 <HMage> yep, though it's 15:02 here. 12:05:02 *** Moacha [opera@88.164.8.125] has joined #openttd 12:05:06 <Moacha> hey 12:05:36 <Moacha> I just read the the port in the wiki doc are not enough to play with openttd. 12:05:50 <Moacha> What 's all port number ? 12:06:47 * peter1138 hmms at graphical glitches with elrail / bridges 12:07:39 <Moacha> !port 12:07:50 <hylje> !openttd port 12:07:50 <Moacha> !help ports 12:07:51 <_42_> hylje: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound) 12:08:37 <Moacha> It doesn't work right. 12:08:59 <Moacha> I can connect but I get inevitably out of the game few minutes later. 12:09:13 <Moacha> Is that a multiplayer instability ? 12:10:31 <hylje> multiplayer is very stable 12:10:41 <hylje> the server could be fucked, though 12:10:50 <hylje> it goes out of sync after long periods 12:11:23 <peter1138> Moacha, what does it say when it disconnects? 12:12:53 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 12:15:13 <Moacha> It goes to the main menu 12:15:17 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 12:15:22 <Moacha> I don't see any error displayed in the game before getting in the main menu all of a sudden. 12:16:59 <Moacha> I am using WinXP, openttd 0.4.8 behind a nat router (udp/tcp forwarded 3978 -> 3979) and It happens with every single server. 12:19:02 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:22 <Darkvater> HMage: what happened with TCHAR? 12:20:08 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:36 <HMage> I forgot to realize that it's covered into #ifdef _WIN32. Since TCHAR doesn't exist on unix 12:22:13 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:22:13 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 12:22:22 <HMage> but I think wchar_t would be better, since it's explicit. Never liked how often Microsoft redefines their defines. 12:22:52 <Darkvater> the whole point of TCHAR is to have it be wchar_t when compiled with UNICODE and char withouth 12:23:37 <HMage> yup. But who knows what they'll do to that in Visual Studio 2008. (EULA specifies that you shouldn't rely on stability definitions in their sdk's) 12:23:56 <HMage> on stability of definitions* 12:24:20 <Darkvater> he well, we'll see it then, won't we :) 12:24:24 <Moacha> hey devTeam 12:24:28 <HMage> yup :) 12:25:22 <Darkvater> in either case I don't think they can change it signifcantly; a lot of customers will get angry 12:25:26 <Darkvater> hi Moacha 12:25:31 <HMage> Moacha: I'm behind NAT and I have no problems playing openttd. 12:26:12 <Brianetta> I'm bhind NAT and have no problems playing or hosting 12:26:30 <Darkvater> I'm on NAT as well and haven't had problems so far 12:26:46 <hylje> im not behind a NAT 12:26:52 <Darkvater> Moacha: #1 reason for desyncs is a different newgrf configuration 12:26:59 <Moacha> Is it normal there is no error output ? It just gets to the main menu 12:27:19 <Brianetta> You should normally see a red error box 12:27:33 <Brianetta> even if it just tells you that you had a synchronisation error 12:28:44 <HMage> does anyone know a link for "shoot yourself in the foot" programmer joke? 12:28:44 <Moacha> it doesn't show up. 12:29:01 <Moacha> I'll try reinstall. 12:29:18 <Darkvater> Moacha: you get desynced? 12:29:24 <hylje> HMage: foot in yourself shoot 12:29:28 <hylje> HMage: lemme look it up 12:29:31 <Moacha> I don't think so. 12:29:36 <HMage> hylje: don't worry. I've found it. 12:29:37 <Darkvater> Moacha: try running openttd as follows: "openttd -d net=9" 12:29:41 <Moacha> All is working more and less good 12:29:46 <Moacha> I try. 12:29:53 <hylje> :o 12:30:46 * Moacha connected. I wait a little while now. 12:30:49 <HMage> http://burks.bton.ac.uk/burks/language/shoot.htm 12:31:21 *** Moacha [opera@88.164.8.125] has left #openttd [] 12:31:27 <HMage> er? 12:31:39 <HMage> looks like he disconnects from IRC too 12:31:54 *** Moacha [opera@88.164.8.125] has joined #openttd 12:32:00 <HMage> Moacha: what happened? 12:32:29 <Moacha> I closed my irc cient. 12:32:34 <Darkvater> openttd bug! 12:32:39 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.134] has joined #openttd 12:32:44 <Moacha> About that matter, I got disconnected with no special error. I paste, a sec. 12:32:46 <Darkvater> ey TB 12:32:47 <TrueBrain> Hi :) 12:32:58 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: please change topic, nightlies are being created as we speak 12:33:04 <TrueBrain> they are without freetype, but that will be fixed later today 12:33:06 <Darkvater> ]o/ 12:33:25 <TrueBrain> also, the linux binaries will be nptlonly glibc compiled 12:33:33 *** Darkvater changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.4.8 | Website: *.openttd.org (Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Bug-reports: bugs) 12:33:34 <TrueBrain> (I have no idea if that can give problems on any system, but okay) 12:33:50 <Darkvater> 'nptlonly glibc'-what? 12:34:04 <hylje> glibc only goes nptl 12:34:23 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: old glibc had both modes: nptl (Native Possix Tblabla Linux something) and non-nptl 12:34:27 <Tron> Darkvater: Linux has an almost Posix conform threading library after N years 12:34:29 <Moacha> dbg: [NET] closed client connection 12:34:31 <TrueBrain> currently, the compile-farm is updated to only use nptl 12:34:56 <TrueBrain> (his glibc for all linux targets) 12:34:57 <Darkvater> so NyearPosixThreadingLibrary? 12:35:13 <Moacha> previous message :: dbg: [NET] Received FRAME 390786 12:35:14 <Moacha> previous messages are all "received frame" type 12:35:15 <Darkvater> eh well 12:35:33 <TrueBrain> so, if you get any reports about that what so ever, let me know 12:35:36 <Darkvater> anyways..probably a good thing, right? :) 12:35:50 <TrueBrain> also, i386 linux binaries are gone 12:36:02 <Darkvater> Moacha: hmm this tells nothing. Try running a server locally or on another pc inside your local network to see if that works 12:36:03 <TrueBrain> (as glibc with nptlonly needs i486 or higher, so I picked i686 as lowest) 12:36:25 <Moacha> Is there debug file saved somewhere ? 12:36:38 <blathijs> Native Posix Thread Library IIRC 12:36:47 <TrueBrain> blathijs: works for me 12:37:06 <TrueBrain> openttd doesn't work with fontconfig 2.2 12:37:08 <TrueBrain> only with 2.3 12:37:11 <TrueBrain> nice to know :p 12:37:27 <Darkvater> Moacha: no 12:37:40 <TrueBrain> tokai: ping 12:37:40 <Tron> is the svn server at 1.4? 12:37:49 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/files/scr20_524.png << o_O we don't have icons for elrails 12:38:09 <TrueBrain> Tron: SVN 1.4 isn't stable in Gentoo, so no 12:38:12 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 12:38:13 <Tron> what? 12:38:13 <Moacha> darkvater: ok thanks. Well, I think it may be my internet connection. I got timeout times to times for 1-3 seconds (ping -t ip.ip.ip.ip) 12:38:19 <Tron> it's even in Debian stable! 12:38:20 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by XeryusTC2))] 12:38:25 *** XeryusTC2 is now known as XeryusTC 12:38:30 <Tron> s/stable/testing/ 12:38:41 <Tron> which is at least as good as gentoo stable 12:38:44 <TrueBrain> it is in Gentoo masked too :) 12:38:48 <TrueBrain> just not stable ;) 12:38:48 <blathijs> Package: subversion 12:38:51 <blathijs> Version: 1.1.4-2 12:39:03 <TrueBrain> mostly means it has outstanding bug-reports 12:39:04 <blathijs> oh wait, testing :-) 12:39:15 <Moacha> darkvater : can it be fixed changing "keep alive client" setting of openttd? 12:39:52 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=523845#523845 o/ 12:40:30 <Darkvater> Moacha: you can increase the lag-time, but the default value works for everyone though. And it won't help you with joining other server 12:40:52 <peter1138> night shots? heh 12:41:01 <peter1138> that city is too dark 12:41:27 <Moacha> ok, good-to-know. Thank you for answers. 12:42:35 <peter1138> stupid c# 12:42:41 <peter1138> doesn't support #if 0 12:42:52 <peter1138> but does #if somedefine 12:42:58 <Moacha> night view screenshot are beautiful. 12:44:28 <Triffid_Hunter> peter1138: use #ifdef keyboardmash then ;) 12:45:18 <peter1138> quite 12:45:31 <peter1138> it doesn't support ifdef though, heh 12:45:37 <peter1138> i just did #if false 12:45:42 <peter1138> and hope that "false" isn't defined :) 12:46:11 <Triffid_Hunter> even if it's defined, it should still evaluate to false 12:46:24 <blathijs> #if != #ifdef 12:46:32 <blathijs> at least in C, can' say about C# ;-) 12:46:51 <Darkvater> he, try that with Java, it doesn't even have #ifdefs 12:47:24 <peter1138> blathijs: indeed, it's not like that in c# 12:47:33 <peter1138> in c#, a define doesn't have a value 12:47:38 <peter1138> it is either defined or not defined 12:47:54 <valhallasw> #if bullshittermthatdoesntexist 12:47:55 <valhallasw> :+ 12:47:56 <blathijs> so #if is actually #ifdef and #ifdef doesn't exist? 12:48:01 <peter1138> sort of 12:48:05 <blathijs> #if definethisanddie 12:48:15 <peter1138> "#if false" and "#if true" do actually work as expected 12:48:21 <peter1138> and you can't #define false 12:48:27 <hylje> #define false true 12:48:27 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 12:48:29 <blathijs> unless someone says #define false 0 ? 12:48:43 <blathijs> oh, you can't... 12:48:48 <peter1138> "in c#, a define doesn't have a value" 12:49:01 <tokai> TrueBrain: pong 12:49:38 <TrueBrain> tokai: we found a GCC 4.0.3 version for morphos.. any good to upgrade to that? Or should we keep 2.95.3? :) 12:50:18 <tokai> keep old version 12:50:22 <TrueBrain> clear ;) 12:51:35 <tokai> this newer gccs exists since ages, but they are only good for experiments or lazy developers which don't know how to make proper code which works with gcc 2.95.x. ;) 12:52:15 <HMage> newer visual studios also exist since ages, tho nobody thought about keeping msvc6 portability :) 12:52:35 <HMage> (it's a joke, don't take seriously) 12:52:40 <Darkvater> and here I go thinking that developers were persons 12:52:42 <hylje> :o 12:52:42 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:50 <tokai> well.. if newer visual studios create working code there is no problem with that i guess;) 12:53:04 <HMage> gcc 4 doesn't? 12:53:11 <Darkvater> newer gcc don't generate working code for morphos? 12:53:19 <tokai> for ppc platform. 12:53:25 <tokai> and such things are deadly on morphos 12:53:33 <Darkvater> so why is there a port then for morphos? 12:53:41 <tokai> on linux you might just have a segfaulting app 12:53:49 <tokai> on morphos it can crash whole OS ;) 12:53:56 <HMage> btw, tokai, can you test if there's setlocale() on morphos standard library? 12:54:14 <tokai> Darkvater: for lazy developers which can't adopt code from other oses to gcc 2.95.x 12:54:23 <Darkvater> tokai: well that says more about the crappiness of morphos then about a segfaulting app 12:54:25 <tokai> HMage: there is. it returns an empty string 12:54:44 <peter1138> so basically... morphos is utter shit? 12:54:45 <HMage> tokai: if you call it with (LC_ALL, NULL)? 12:54:55 <tokai> Darkvater: what has morphos crapyness todo with gcc3.x/4.x crapyness? :) 12:55:04 <peter1138> ... 12:55:05 <Darkvater> peter1138: I'd say somewhere on the level of win95 12:55:44 <tokai> morphos crapyness helps u to write proper apps:) 12:56:17 <tokai> HMage: no idea.. need to test. 12:56:27 <peter1138> do the systems that morphos run on not have an mmu? 12:56:40 <hylje> :o 12:57:11 <Darkvater> tokai: if a faulty app crashes your whole OS then the OS is crappy not the application or the compiler that compiled the application 12:57:58 <tokai> Darkvater: not really. its still the apps fault. 12:58:26 <tokai> actually it doesnt crash the whole OS, but just the abox (which makes most of the OS atm. ;) 12:58:29 <Darkvater> you totally turned it around 12:59:00 <Darkvater> I am not disputing that it's the apps fault, but the OS really needs to handle such things gracefully 12:59:05 <tokai> Darkvater: w/o doubth missing memory protection is bad, but thats on of the sacrificies which had to be accepted to have amigaos compatibility 12:59:12 <HMage> Darkvater: but that's how people will see that. If all other programs work ok on that OS, and some new program that you might have no need to use crashes your whole os, it's percievable that the program is responsible for whole OS crash. 12:59:23 <Darkvater> not like crappy win95 which can only be rebooted when i close the openttd-console window and thereby kill the application 12:59:52 <tokai> anyway... morphos boots in less than 10s, so a crash isn't that bad ;) 13:00:20 <tokai> crashing windows or OSX (i experienced both) is more evil as it takes ages to reboot (if it still reboots that is ;) 13:00:51 <hylje> :o 13:01:02 <tokai> HMage: well.. the test prog had LC_ALL, NULL.. and that returned "" ;) 13:01:07 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:01:07 <peter1138> they only properly crash due to hardware problems or dodgy drivers 13:01:18 <peter1138> which is not really the OS's fault 13:01:24 <HMage> so your applications use system locale by default, not the "C" locale? 13:02:32 <tokai> HMage: i guess. i have no idea what setlocale really does. 13:02:37 <HMage> tokai: do you have any information which locales are avaliable on morphos? 13:02:40 <tokai> wait.. i'll check the clib src 13:03:04 <HMage> tokai: setlocale sets the locale. it should be "C" by default as per ISO/ANSI C. 13:03:09 <Darkvater> HMage: don't think that's how people see it. Everyone was bitching at windows when it crashed whereis in about 90% of the cases it was the application's fault 13:03:13 <tokai> HMage: a whole bunch, but the list differs from what openttd offers 13:03:29 <HMage> tokai: is there ru_RU anywhere? 13:05:21 <tokai> HMage: checked the source. it checks for OS settings, and defaults to NULL which is same as "C" it says in a comment. 13:05:32 <tokai> HMage: russian? 13:05:40 <HMage> tokai: yes. 13:05:44 <tokai> no 13:05:50 <tokai> only inofficial 13:06:30 <TrueBrain> tokai: asking for fontconfig and freetype on morphos is I guess not an option? :) 13:07:15 <HMage> Darkvater: it became fashionable to bitch at windows. Though I saw many times personally that people blamed software, not windows 95. It's like in audio engineering - you can't say to anyone that their audio equipment is not good enough, people will just buy another disc not engineered by you. 13:07:43 <tokai> TrueBrain: no idea what fontconfig is. freetype is possible as static link library for now (we have a unreleased shared version too, but not for end users). 13:07:47 <HMage> tokai: do you have wfopen()? 13:08:07 <TrueBrain> tokai: okay, so I might bug you about that somewhere in the future :) 13:08:48 <Darkvater> HMage: it could be fashionable but you expect an OS not to crash just because an application has a bug. 13:08:54 <tokai> HMage: no idea. gimmy an example sniplet i can compile to see ;) 13:10:12 <Darkvater> FILE *f = wfopen("bla", "wb"); 13:10:22 <Darkvater> L"bla" even 13:10:24 <hylje> s/wf/wtf/ 13:13:40 <tokai> HMage: no 13:14:10 <Darkvater> HMage: isn't wfopen windows-only? 13:15:40 <HMage> Darkvater: it's standard C 13:15:48 <Darkvater> man wfopen: no entry found 13:16:13 *** Zaviori is now known as Zavior 13:17:24 <peter1138> there's no wfopen on my system 13:17:41 <tokai> HMage: anyway.. out setlocale() seems to be broken ;) but no problem in using it. 13:17:54 <tokai> (in openttd, if required.. i mean) 13:18:02 <peter1138> vs 2005 doesn't appear to be aware of it either 13:18:10 <Darkvater> peter1138: _wfopen 13:18:17 <peter1138> ah 13:18:32 <peter1138> silly ms 13:18:40 <Darkvater> vs2k5 better be aware about it, since it's used in openttd :) 13:19:01 <peter1138> yes, _wfopen 13:19:09 <peter1138> but you're talking about wfopen, heh 13:19:34 * Darkvater points at HMage 13:21:06 <HMage> Darkvater: you have to "#define wfopen _wfopen" inside #ifdef _WIN32 13:21:46 <Darkvater> with that argument everything works :) 13:21:51 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.134] has left #openttd [So long and tnx for all the fish] 13:22:17 <HMage> Darkvater: same as you did with snprintf 13:22:59 <Darkvater> the point is... my linux doesn't have wfopen 13:23:36 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=28667 13:23:37 <Darkvater> lol 13:24:27 <hylje> :D 13:26:20 <peter1138> otoh, linux doesn't care 13:26:25 <peter1138> "#define wfopen fopen" ;p 13:27:17 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0FD5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:28:38 *** DannyA [~Miranda@CPE-138-217-252-154.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:29:57 <Darkvater> DannyA: you were asking something before you left, weren't you? 13:29:58 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0FD5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:30 <DannyA> Do you mean just now or a few hours back? 13:38:04 <Darkvater> this morning 13:38:26 <Darkvater> ah wait, I know 13:38:28 <Darkvater> LIBC.lib 13:38:30 <DannyA> Just now I was looking at the web based IRC clent from the chat button, but couldn't join this channel & asked about that... 13:39:14 <Darkvater> if you have libc.lib troubles then update to the latest openttd-useful package ( you can find it from a link on openttd.org > development) 13:39:27 <DannyA> Yeah, this morning it was the LIBC.lib which it wanted to use to compile with. It can't find it with my install, and there are only 64bit versions of this file in the PlatformSDC_r2 dir. 13:39:41 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:39:49 <DannyA> OK I'll have a look at that. 13:40:22 <Darkvater> cause the old libs (zlib/png) used single-threaded libraries 13:40:26 <DannyA> I think a few things got screwed up when I tried installing team over the Pro version, and that's why I wanted to run it in a VM - to avoid this Shxxx 13:41:12 *** Moacha [opera@88.164.8.125] has left #openttd [] 13:42:12 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CC1B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:49:06 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-173.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 13:51:41 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 13:57:34 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-155.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:00:47 *** buggy [~pocketirc@213.248.12.113] has joined #openttd 14:01:22 <buggy> hello humankinds 14:01:38 <buggy> i came with peace 14:01:42 <buggy> ) 14:02:24 <buggy> ia there anyone ? 14:03:09 <Darkvater> *chaaaaaaaarge* and the alien scum gets slaughtered 14:03:32 <buggy> i just wanted to thank you for great game 14:03:56 <buggy> )) 14:04:07 <Brianetta> It's all his fault 14:04:10 * Brianetta points at Darkvater 14:04:15 <Darkvater> thanks accepted 14:04:24 <peter1138> gah 14:04:28 <peter1138> problem with vs2005 14:04:34 * Darkvater forwards a part of the kudos to ludde, CS and the rest of the dev-team 14:04:42 <peter1138> is instead of vim new<tab>.c 14:04:48 <peter1138> i have to scroll this stupidly long list... 14:04:56 <Darkvater> :O 14:05:07 <Darkvater> I alwas do: CTRL+O and type filename 14:05:40 <peter1138> vim really is nicer, heh 14:06:26 <peter1138> LoadNextSprite(first_sprite + j, _file_index); // XXX 14:06:35 <peter1138> any idea what the XXX is for? ;p 14:06:55 <buggy> vim is really great thing - i wounder how i lived before 14:07:14 <buggy> xxx is often stands 4 porno ) 14:07:21 <Darkvater> haha 14:07:34 *** Tron_ [ZaZW19Rt@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 14:08:33 <buggy> are you using code style guide in your projects? 14:08:51 <Darkvater> yes 14:09:06 <ln-> 16:03 < buggy> i just wanted to thank you for great game <--- thank chris sawyer. 14:09:12 <peter1138> ah, it's from tron's rewrite of it 14:09:20 <Tron_> hm? 14:09:22 <Darkvater> hehe 14:10:25 <buggy> i ment - thnx 4 porting this great game 14:10:48 <Tron_> peter1138: hm? 14:10:53 <Darkvater> OMG 14:10:59 <Darkvater> http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1180137 14:11:15 <Darkvater> the guy wrote a post-commit script for SVN just to execute an 'svn update' 14:11:33 <buggy> ) 14:11:41 <Darkvater> eh post-commit C program 14:11:49 <buggy> lol 14:11:52 <peter1138> Tron_: just looking for a reason for a stray // XXX ... 14:12:19 <ln-> who has authorized committing a line with a comment containing only "XXX"?!? 14:12:29 <peter1138> tron :) 14:12:54 <Brianetta> Maybe he committed that newgrf with the naked girls on all the vehicles, to trunk 14:12:54 <ln-> tron had better hide before Tron notices this.. 14:13:30 <Tron_> "if I use a XXX it means exactly what I choose it to mean, nothing more or less" (loosly based on something Humpty Dumpty said) 14:14:11 <Tron_> peter1138: where is it? 14:15:14 <buggy> guys - can i be helpful for your project? i'me oracle pl/sql programmer with user skills of *nix 14:15:37 <peter1138> newgrf.c:2513 14:16:13 <Darkvater> buggy: afaik we don't use any database system in openttd :) 14:16:22 <peter1138> Tron_: it's not important, though :) 14:16:54 <buggy> so what about game via inet? 14:17:20 <buggy> where intermediate datum are stured? 14:17:28 <buggy> *stored 14:17:39 <Darkvater> well we do have some problems with intermittent desyncs... 14:18:18 <buggy> intermittent desyncs? whats this? 14:19:07 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6E63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:19:30 <Darkvater> buggy: well, random desyncs 14:19:41 <Darkvater> but it's either something deep internal or user-error 14:19:49 <Tron_> Darkvater: don't you think we should store the tile information in a relational database? 14:20:19 <Darkvater> Get count(tile) where trees>3 14:20:31 <Darkvater> I mean SELECT 14:20:32 <Darkvater> he 14:20:38 <Darkvater> and FROM map 14:21:00 * Darkvater should stop doing sql, it just shows how pathetic his skills are 14:21:45 <Tron_> Postgres is nice, it's "object relational" 14:21:50 <Tron_> so we can have a tile table 14:21:58 <Darkvater> buggy: appreciate the offer but ottd really doesn't use any database, except for the website. So the best thing you can do is play the game and spread the word *D 14:22:05 <Tron_> and derive tree_tile, clear_tile, water_tile, ... tables from it 14:23:45 <buggy> <Darkvater> ) i just wanted be helpful for opensource community 14:24:51 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:26:54 <blathijs> Tron_: We can then throw away our network protocol too, and just use postgresq; 14:26:59 <Darkvater> buggy: no problem :) 14:27:01 <blathijs> Tron_: We can then throw away our network protocol too, and just use postgresq's network protocol :-) 14:27:53 <Brianetta> blathijs: With a MySQL alternatice? (-: 14:27:56 <Tron_> OpenTTD = Open Transactional Tycoon Deluxe 14:28:05 <Tron_> Brianetta: no, it's not ACID 14:28:19 <Brianetta> It is a little faster, though 14:28:23 <Brianetta> but yeah 14:28:52 <buggy> where are you're from, heroes? 14:29:04 <Tron_> Brianetta: come again when you have seen >100 concurrent write accesses on the DB 14:29:33 <Brianetta> Mine only reach 20-50 14:30:41 <Darkvater> buggy: Almost everyone is from Europe with a big(ger) concentration in Holland/UK/Germany 14:30:46 <buggy> <Brianetta> what kind of system? telephony? 14:31:36 <Brianetta> buggy: no. Single server handling intranet and a few databases which are accessed exclusively through Access. Inventory database, job vacancies handling, etc. 14:31:42 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 14:31:48 <Darkvater> wb KUDr_wrk 14:31:57 <KUDr_wrk> thanks, master 14:33:03 <DannyA> Well, I'm off to bed, catch ya later people & enjoy your transactional tycooning etc...:) 14:34:28 <peter1138> does mysql still do full table locking on updates? 14:34:38 <buggy> <Brianetta> i'm involved in ip-telephony project. Currently developing db scema - and we're planing to have more than 100 concurrent session at a time. I'm scared ) 14:35:00 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk35@pc219.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:35:14 <buggy> <peter1138> no more science 5 version 14:35:59 <buggy> *since 14:36:15 *** mikk36 [~mikk35@pc219.host1.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37:03 <peter1138> that's pretty recent ;p 14:37:03 <buggy> agggrh! pocket pc virtual keyboard is intolerable 14:37:09 <peter1138> heh, yes 14:37:41 <Darkvater> buggy: are you playing ottd on the ppc? 14:38:14 <buggy> not yet ) searching for needed files from ttd 14:38:35 <Darkvater> ah... what version are you planning to play? 14:39:03 * peter1138 suggests someone makes head work 14:39:04 <Darkvater> oh wait, you haven't played yet 14:39:19 <buggy> <Darkvater> the last one accepteble for downloading 14:39:19 * Darkvater was curious about the port 14:39:32 <Brianetta> buggy: Transcriber is good. 14:39:51 *** TheDancinZerg [~TheDancin@pool-71-108-200-233.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:19 <buggy> <Darkvater> i've played only on winxp 14:40:24 <buggy> before 14:41:29 <buggy> <Brianetta> Transcriber is better, but my one doesn't recognize latin letters 14:41:40 <buggy> only russian ( 14:42:51 <peter1138> hmm 14:42:54 <peter1138> which reminds me 14:43:17 <buggy> <peter1138> huh? 14:43:19 <peter1138> i wonder if the ttdrussia forums people have anything to say about utf8... 14:44:05 <Darkvater> they might be pissed cause it already worked and now they have issues 14:44:23 <peter1138> heh 14:44:53 <Darkvater> it's just that the forums are in russian.. cannot read 14:44:59 <peter1138> indeed 14:45:08 <peter1138> ah, there's a UTF8 post 14:45:18 <peter1138> of course 14:45:21 <peter1138> that doesn't help much ;p 14:45:38 <Darkvater> hmm is it just the network that is slow, or is windows totally stupid when I sort a network-directory by created-date 14:45:39 <buggy> <peter1138> yep - i heard something about troubles with fonts itself on pcs under linux - but it seems 2 me that problem is in curvious of hands of users 14:45:41 <Darkvater> got link? 14:46:56 <buggy> <Darkvater> no... 14:46:57 <peter1138> http://forums.ttdrussia.net/viewtopic.php?t=1608 14:47:01 <buggy> yeap 14:47:07 <buggy> 5 mins 14:47:32 <Darkvater> no to what? 14:47:43 <peter1138> i still don't know if WT2 is set up for allowing utf8 'n stuff 14:47:58 <peter1138> especially the existing russian translation needs to be dumped 14:48:02 <Darkvater> didn't MiHaMiX change that? 14:48:30 <peter1138> i don't know, i don't have any access on wt2 14:48:47 <peter1138> plus it totally doesn't work in IE 14:48:59 <Darkvater> hmm they do talk about etting the font and freetype 14:49:04 <ln-> peter1138: btw, there used to be a complete russian, cyrillic, translation of ottd. 14:49:11 <Darkvater> and lots of smilies 14:49:19 <peter1138> Darkvater: yeah :) 14:49:27 <Darkvater> so I'd say they're positive ;p 14:49:33 <Darkvater> HMage: can you translate for us? 14:50:05 <peter1138> ln-: if it's in a standard character encoding, in theory we can just iconv it... 14:50:07 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: ping 14:51:02 * peter1138 looks 14:53:45 <ln-> peter1138: it was in one of the standard encodings... 14:54:02 <peter1138> transfer rate: 9.11KB/s 14:54:02 <peter1138> :/ 14:55:35 <buggy> <Darkvater> hmm... i've read the topic. nothing serious. they're writing bout troubles after merging utf8 branch with trunc... the problem is russian (cyrilic) letters stopped to display normaly 14:56:08 <buggy> <Darkvater> so - how can i understand from topic they found decision by themselves 14:56:31 <Darkvater> that's good :) 14:57:39 <buggy> have you ported any other games/programs ? i could be help you with the localisation 14:58:04 <buggy> i could be help -> i could help 14:58:46 <buggy> ) my english brakes when i'm feeling nervous 14:59:22 <buggy> * went smoking 14:59:45 <Darkvater> haha 15:00:58 <buggy> <Darkvater> don't be cruel ) i'm new to irc 15:01:09 <peter1138> we can tell 15:01:19 <peter1138> all those <Darkvater>s look like you're quoting him :) 15:01:31 <peter1138> *sigh* 15:01:40 <peter1138> 4.23MB of 4.94MB "copied" 15:01:46 <peter1138> 6.34KB/s 15:02:10 <Brianetta> 15:01:55 (67.51 KB/s) - Read error at byte 253864116/730036224 (Connection reset by peer). 15:02:18 <peter1138> ok 15:02:20 <peter1138> i'll shut up 15:02:25 <Darkvater> buggy: weren't you gone smoking? 15:02:42 <Brianetta> 129.00K/s atm 15:02:44 <Brianetta> not bad 15:03:13 <Brianetta> I already downloaded the entire thing, for the md5 check to fail ): 15:06:20 <buggy> i'm here again 15:07:06 *** Tron__ [2bJddVj8@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 15:07:31 <peter1138> three trons 15:08:00 <buggy> <peter1138> i just thought it's a kind of adressing 15:08:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> is there anything bad about the number of 3? 15:08:19 <Brianetta> buggy: Normally, we address like this 15:08:24 <Brianetta> buggy, or like this 15:08:39 <Brianetta> <peter1138> we can tell 15:08:44 <Brianetta> That was me quoting peter1138 15:09:11 <Brianetta> We quote like that because its easy to copy and paste 15:09:18 <buggy> Brianetta: thanks for guiding me into irc world 15:09:31 <Brianetta> no problem 15:09:57 <Brianetta> http://www.irchelp.org/ 15:10:41 *** Netsplit lithium.oftc.net <-> europa.oftc.net quits: _42_, Tron_, ZBServer, imachine, Prof_Frink, @Darkvater 15:10:41 <buggy> can anyone suggest me irc-client for windows mobile ? 15:11:09 <Brianetta> http://pocketirc.com/ 15:11:21 *** Netsplit over, joins: Prof_Frink 15:11:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 15:11:27 *** Netsplit over, joins: Darkvater 15:12:47 <Darkvater> hmm I have 4200/660 cable connection atm... think I should downgrade to 1600/330? 15:12:55 <Darkvater> it'd save me about 13 euros a month 15:13:03 <Brianetta> If you want 15:13:16 <Darkvater> he 15:13:19 <Naksu> Darkvater: is 13 euros a month a lot for you? 15:13:46 *** Netsplit over, joins: imachine, _42_, ZBServer 15:13:56 <Darkvater> well, considering I'm still studying and I have to pay it... I could put it to better use 15:14:00 <Darkvater> but it doesn't kill me 15:14:12 <buggy> 13 e in months = 156 e per year 15:14:17 <Darkvater> just thinking it might be a waste of money cause I don't download that much anymore 15:14:25 <buggy> sounds great 15:14:35 <Brianetta> svn syncs (: 15:14:46 <Brianetta> Google video 15:14:49 <Brianetta> YouTube 15:14:57 <Brianetta> shoutcast 15:14:59 <buggy> emule 15:15:07 <Brianetta> all those Linux ISOs 15:15:10 <Darkvater> well it is true that HD-previews work flawlessly atm 15:15:11 <buggy> xxx ) 15:15:35 <buggy> HD-previews ? 15:15:49 <Darkvater> trailers, previews, etc. in HD-format 15:16:28 <Darkvater> hmm or I could switch back to ADSL 14,95 for 614/768 15:16:34 <Darkvater> 6144 even 15:17:23 <buggy> my adsl 256k costs 30$ per month 4 me 15:17:45 <buggy> 2b exactly 25$ 15:19:19 <buggy> stream.ru 4 thouse who'll understand ) 15:19:42 <Darkvater> hmm...yeah I might go back to ADSL 15:19:43 <glx> buggy: please use proper english :) 15:20:28 <Darkvater> buggy: a bit expensive; come to holland ;) 15:20:31 <buggy> glx: 2 use such kind of speach (numbers instead of words) is unproper? 15:20:39 <Darkvater> yes 15:20:55 <buggy> Darkvater: with a great pleasure 15:21:23 <buggy> Darkvater:if i only have a chance 15:22:18 <Darkvater> gonna call Casema today to cancel my subscription ^^ 15:22:52 <buggy> Casema? is this your provider? 15:22:58 <Darkvater> yes 15:22:59 <Darkvater> cable 15:23:14 <buggy> can you give me the url? 15:23:24 <Darkvater> www.casema.nl 15:23:30 <buggy> for price comparison 15:24:44 <buggy> nl? holland? 15:25:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> oh, i love my DSL-light connection... 15:25:39 <Darkvater> yes 15:25:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> twice the speed would cost the same thing 15:25:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> just i can't get it... 15:25:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> too far away 15:26:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's actually a wonder i even got light 15:26:40 <Darkvater> :) 15:26:53 <glx> same for me, I can't get more than 5MB because too far away from the central (the max would be 24MB) 15:27:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> for over 5 years, they told me i could not get DSL at all 15:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> then all of a sudden, it was offered 15:28:02 <Darkvater> could be that they rolled out ADSL2 15:29:07 <buggy> rolled out? 15:29:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> 24MB? not even my LAN has that :p 15:29:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't think they did anything to the cables 15:29:40 <buggy> to roll out - what does it means? 15:29:48 <Darkvater> put into service 15:29:54 <buggy> txs 15:30:01 <buggy> *thnks 15:30:06 <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause3: they don't have to, just update the modems at the central and those of the clients 15:30:26 <Darkvater> adsl and adsl2 (24mb) are all over the good ol' copper wires 15:30:32 <glx> Eddi|zuHause3: oops wrong unit (indeed it's up to 28Mbps :) ) 15:31:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, but afaic, adsl2 is only for even shorter lines 15:31:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> s/c/k 15:31:48 <Darkvater> max they got here offered is 20mbps 15:32:07 <Darkvater> *shuffle words* 15:32:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> the even worse porblem is, that all short lines in east germany are done with fibre 15:32:37 <Darkvater> why's that bad? 15:32:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> because they won't offer broad band connections for that 15:32:59 <Darkvater> :O 15:33:03 <buggy> central - you mean telephony station of provide or something else? 15:33:17 <Darkvater> yes 15:33:59 <buggy> hope that moscow will hear about adsl2... someday... in a next century 15:34:21 <Darkvater> hehe :) 15:34:31 <Darkvater> it is ideal in a big city 15:35:16 <buggy> our provider are fully satisfied with regular adsl ( 15:35:17 <Darkvater> although ADSL2 is only a hype. It was already possible, just perhaps the modems were too expensive. They can even do ADSL3 if they want to, the copper wire still has a lot of frequencies left 15:35:42 <buggy> hehe 15:37:21 <buggy> here is physical task - what's the maximum transmitting ability of cooper wire? ) 15:38:10 <Darkvater> donnu 15:38:11 <buggy> devide the result into 10 - and you'll know how much X left after ADSL [X] 15:39:22 <buggy> i just wanted to say that currently adsl speed is about 10-15% of maximum available 15:39:35 <buggy> theoretical available 15:40:08 <glx> 50/25 for VDSL 15:41:16 <buggy> nevermind 15:42:50 <buggy> i meant little other... all thouse "management" trying to sell yesterday's technologies with tomorrow prices 15:43:26 <hylje> they want monies 15:43:28 <Darkvater> that is universal :) 15:43:30 <hylje> not necessarily progress 15:43:41 * peter1138 pats his 8 mbit adsl 15:45:12 <buggy> for example - i work for a provider company... they sell dial-ups! just imagine to yourselfs - DIAL-UPS!! in a xxi century 15:45:36 <buggy> not adsl, not vdsl - dial-up! 15:46:35 <hylje> cough. aol. 15:46:51 <Darkvater> ah come on; dial-ups were fun 15:46:59 <hylje> we have dial-ups as well, but all civilized areas are now adsl eligible 15:47:13 <Darkvater> peep-peeep-brrrsshsdp-peeeep-peep-peep-eep *redial* 15:47:26 <peter1138> heh 15:47:41 <peter1138> i wonder who i was texting... 15:47:46 <buggy> therefore moscow is not among in civilized areas 15:51:19 <peter1138> mmm, mint aero 15:51:51 <buggy> oh guys, it was fun with you but i have to go - my boss is looking on my mastrubation with hpc with unkind smile 15:51:58 <hylje> :o 15:52:04 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:51 <buggy> see ya in evening - we've got one open question about my participating in localisation 15:54:10 <buggy> if you only need 15:54:14 <peter1138> hmm? 15:54:39 <peter1138> well we need a russian translation... 15:55:00 <buggy> so i'll be glad to do it 15:55:40 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-173.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 15:56:28 <buggy> we'll discuss the details in evening . see ya once more 15:56:34 *** buggy [~pocketirc@213.248.12.113] has quit [Quit: Pocket IRC 1.2 (http://pocketirc.com/) UNREGISTERED] 15:56:44 <Darkvater> unregistered :O 15:57:18 <hylje> i wonder why he hasnt cracked it yet 15:57:23 <hylje> russia after all 15:57:45 <peter1138> hehe 15:58:51 <HMage> looks like I've missed my russian comrade :p 15:59:03 * HMage is back from shops 15:59:04 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-221.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 15:59:55 * HMage pokes Darkvater. 15:59:58 * Darkvater thinks HMage was hiding 16:00:01 <HMage> Darkvater: I can translate 16:00:20 <HMage> but I think there's already a translation done by ttdrussia.net team 16:00:36 <peter1138> i think he meant the page 16:00:41 <peter1138> otoh 16:00:49 <HMage> ah, the page. Which page? 16:00:50 <peter1138> we want that translation 16:01:03 <Darkvater> buggy already did it though 16:01:11 <peter1138> in utf8, of course :D 16:01:59 <HMage> regarding missing wfopen() in linux I'd like to investigate that. 16:02:42 <Darkvater> HMage: why? it's not needed on linux 16:03:10 <HMage> oh, right. just use setlocale() 16:03:23 <HMage> or not. 16:03:24 <Darkvater> ? 16:03:31 <Darkvater> what do you want wfopen for? 16:03:41 <HMage> for specifying filenames in unicode 16:03:55 <Darkvater> because? 16:04:22 <HMage> there might a name that contains both english, russian, japanese and turish character. 16:04:32 <Darkvater> yes? 16:04:41 <Darkvater> I don't get what you are trying to do 16:05:00 <HMage> 8 bits are not enough 16:05:10 <peter1138> yes they are 16:05:13 <Darkvater> peter1138: do you know what he's talking about? 16:05:41 <peter1138> utf8 fits in 8 bits, heh 16:06:07 <Darkvater> HMage: using normal fopen() and iconv it just works 16:06:26 <Darkvater> except for windows of course because it has to be special 16:08:31 <Naksu> isn't that kinda hack-ish? 16:09:08 <Darkvater> no because you want to convert from the game's internal charset to the filesystem charset 16:09:31 <Darkvater> although it doesn't matter (for me) because both OTTD and my locale are UTF8 16:10:31 <HMage> filesystem charset is usually unicode 16:11:05 <peter1138> linux (and probably other unix) filesystems are characterset agnostic 16:11:13 <peter1138> it's just a stream of characters 16:12:11 <HMage> afaik in unicode, so that can be translated into any charset user requires (internally, using libc) 16:12:53 <peter1138> it's perfectly possible to have mixed encoding filenames in one directory... 16:13:02 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:13:06 <HMage> since linux (ext2 and reiserfs) did allow me to have a file, which name contained english, russian, japanese and turkish in one string 16:13:28 <peter1138> sure 16:13:33 <peter1138> you can do that with utf8... 16:14:08 <HMage> then why iconv? 16:14:38 <peter1138> if a user's locale is not utf-8, it needs to be converted 16:14:44 <peter1138> well, not really "needs" 16:14:50 <peter1138> just a little nicer 16:15:32 <Darkvater> jeee 16:15:38 <Darkvater> homegoingtimeisnow 16:15:43 <Darkvater> \o/ 16:17:18 <HMage> why convert? each conversion is possible loss of infomation 16:17:38 <HMage> or am I missing something? 16:18:06 <Brianetta> You're missing something. 16:18:15 <peter1138> if your system is not set up for utf8, you'll see the utf8 encoding in the filename 16:18:19 <Brianetta> The conversion only affects how the character set is displayed. 16:18:38 <KUDr_wrk> Brianetta, no 16:18:50 <KUDr_wrk> it affects how the name is stored 16:19:09 <KUDr_wrk> and some localized chars can be lost 16:19:14 <Brianetta> There's more than one way to store a filename? 16:19:27 <KUDr_wrk> if they don't fit into local codepage 16:19:47 <KUDr_wrk> filename is just stream of 8 bit characterd 16:19:53 <KUDr_wrk> d->s 16:20:12 <KUDr_wrk> so you can store ther what you like 16:20:31 <peter1138> i didn't bother with iconv myself 16:20:40 <peter1138> it was already there for the UTF-8-MAC conversion thing 16:20:40 <KUDr_wrk> but if you lost the information, you are never able to get back what you have stored 16:20:45 <peter1138> correctly 16:20:48 <peter1138> but it's only a filename :) 16:20:53 <peter1138> -ly 16:21:21 <peter1138> i think by default iconv isn't used 16:22:31 <HMage> I thought that filenames were stored in unicode-16 in linux 16:22:39 <peter1138> you thought wrong 16:22:50 <Brianetta> Well, there might be a unicode16 filesystem 16:23:00 <Brianetta> but it's not the normal one 16:23:28 <peter1138> well, in general filesystems decide how to store data, and don't concern themselves with filename encodings etc 16:23:39 <peter1138> but then there's all the cp rubbish for fat support 16:23:50 <peter1138> but then, that's probably there because windows does it 16:23:54 <peter1138> but then! 16:24:17 <HMage> pter, fat32 stores in unicode, open in disk editor please and see that for yourself 16:24:25 <ln-> as i said, there already is a more-or-less complete cyrillic russian translation; http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/russian-1.png 16:24:41 <HMage> peter* 16:24:41 <peter1138> HMage, i didn't say it doesn't 16:25:02 <peter1138> ln-: thanks, but that's not the source language file 16:25:22 <ln-> peter1138: are you saying you can't find it? 16:25:26 <peter1138> no 16:25:31 <peter1138> well, actually i can't 16:25:33 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:25:40 <peter1138> because i can't read russian 16:25:57 <HMage> that's ttdrussia.net's translation, you should ask them (or I can ask them) 16:26:15 <ln-> peter1138: back then it was googlable® without knowing russian. 16:26:39 <peter1138> "back then" 16:26:56 <ln-> some years ago. 16:27:16 <peter1138> so it's a more or less complete translation that's "some years" old? 16:27:18 <peter1138> useful ;p 16:27:35 <peter1138> anyway, i'm downloading src_0.4.7_rus.zip, cos it's in there, iirc 16:27:41 <peter1138> but it's downloading at 2.83KB/s 16:27:47 <peter1138> modem-like 16:28:04 <Naksu> peter1138: is there any chance you're using a modem? 16:28:05 <ln-> it must be your lousy lines in britain. 16:28:12 <Naksu> or that 16:29:09 <peter1138> ok, the file is correct anyway 16:29:10 <peter1138> *sigh* 16:29:26 <peter1138> errr 16:29:29 <peter1138> corrupt 16:29:32 <peter1138> bloody keyboard 16:29:37 <KUDr_wrk> whole Russia is connected thru 28kbps modem 16:29:43 <peter1138> seems to be 16:29:54 <Naksu> not true 16:30:13 <Naksu> there's this FTP in russia that gives at least about 2 mbps :) 16:30:57 <KUDr_wrk> Naksu: .ru domain doesn't mean _in_ Russia 16:31:01 <peter1138> so anyway... 16:31:07 <Naksu> KUDr_wrk: true 16:32:12 <ln-> peter1138: do you intend to commit it? 16:32:32 <peter1138> no, as i don't have it 16:32:53 <ln-> you said you're downloading it 16:33:04 <peter1138> i also said the file is corrupt 16:33:09 <peter1138> (the zip file) 16:33:44 <peter1138> src_0.4.7_rus.zip: Zip archive data, at least v2.0 to extract 16:33:45 <HMage> peter1138: give me the link, I'll dl it quickly 16:33:54 <peter1138> note: src_0.4.7_rus.zip may be a plain executable, not an archive 16:34:19 <peter1138> http://open.ttdrussia.net/section2.php 16:34:34 <peter1138> link from that page, 0.4.7 source 16:34:46 <peter1138> can't see an obvious source link for 0.4.8 16:34:52 <ln-> hold on 16:34:56 <peter1138> or just the language file 16:35:09 <HMage> h1.ru is a free hosting service, they limit transfers to 3kb/sec as a penalty 16:35:10 <peter1138> and of course it might not even be the right one, heh 16:35:37 <peter1138> hehe 16:35:48 <ln-> peter1138: btw, i'm download ~25kB/s from the site, so it must be your slow british modem lines... 16:36:47 <HMage> beware, russian.txt will be encoded in windows-1251, you'll have to reencode into utf8 16:37:02 <peter1138> i have iconv... 16:37:38 <HMage> 8.4 Kb/sec here. 16:38:35 <HMage> oh, it's AGAVA. they have lousy lines. 16:38:58 <ln-> ok, i have the .lng file for 0.4.8, but no .txt 16:39:06 *** enra [~enra@143.238.114.186] has quit [] 16:41:18 <ln-> is there a reverse of strgen? 16:41:44 <peter1138> no 16:54:51 <ln-> peter1138: the file unzipped fine for me.. 16:55:08 <ln-> the 0.4.7 16:55:22 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:56:45 <peter1138> i guess the download stopped 16:56:53 <peter1138> and is there a russian.txt in there? 16:57:01 <ln-> positive. 16:57:12 <ln-> i iconved it to utf-8, and ... 16:57:22 <ln-> ... and all i see in ottd is questionmarks? 16:57:55 <ln-> the file itself is ok; 16:57:56 <ln-> STR_0011_MAIL :????? 16:57:57 <ln-> STR_0012_OIL :????? 16:58:39 <ln-> http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/russian.txt 16:59:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> you might need to load the russian glyph grf, or a proper font 16:59:30 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-0969.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: g2g] 17:00:21 <peter1138> urgh, it's tabbed ;p 17:00:52 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 17:01:29 <peter1138> ln-, http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=522310#522310 17:01:51 <peter1138> although freetype with a nice font gives nicer output 17:02:21 <ln-> why isn't the grf file in svn, and what do i need to do to enable freetype? 17:04:14 <peter1138> heh, loads of string errors 17:04:33 <peter1138> 1) cos it's not 17:04:52 <ln-> i only see warnings. 17:04:54 <peter1138> 2) install freetype & headers, optionally install fontconfig & headers, run ./configure, make 17:05:02 <peter1138> then edit config 17:05:07 <peter1138> well, yeah, warnings 17:05:15 <peter1138> an error in the file 17:05:23 <ln-> whaat, there's a configure script? omg. 17:07:26 <peter1138> ... 17:07:29 <peter1138> has been for ages 17:07:33 <peter1138> yay for vim 17:07:36 <peter1138> :set expandtab 17:07:40 <peter1138> :%retab 17:07:45 <peter1138> file in correct format 17:09:35 <Brianetta> Suicide 17:10:14 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: pong. 17:13:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 17:13:37 <peter1138> so... http://fuzzle.org/o/russian.txt 17:15:10 <peter1138> problems... 1) it's a bit out of date 17:15:27 <peter1138> 2) we probably need some form of permission to include it 17:15:37 <ln-> 2) why? 17:15:56 <peter1138> politeness 17:16:07 <ln-> you don't have permission to include the american/english ones either. 17:16:24 <peter1138> ... 17:16:29 <ln-> or do you? 17:16:45 <peter1138> well, english isn't translated anyway ;p 17:17:11 <peter1138> any translation that is done with WT2 gives implicit permission to use it 17:17:13 <ln-> not translated, but it's taken almost verbatim from TTD. 17:17:35 <peter1138> ok 17:17:36 <peter1138> basically 17:17:39 <peter1138> what i mean is 17:17:57 <peter1138> it would be nice to let 'them' know what is being done 17:18:11 <ln-> anyhow, since you probably say that english/american is under GPL, that must mean the russian is too? 17:18:21 <ln-> derived work 17:18:35 <peter1138> don't be a cock 17:18:53 <ln-> no, i'm an eagle. 17:19:26 <hylje> o, rly? 17:20:33 <peter1138> ownname should probably be changed too 17:21:05 <HMage> peter1138: if ou want, I can ask on ttdrussia forums 17:21:23 <peter1138> ??????? 17:21:36 <HMage> gibberish 17:21:40 <peter1138> heh 17:22:00 * MiHaMiX already received russian translations for OpenTTD 17:22:12 <ln-> ??????? is correct. 17:22:13 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: I've received one for 0.4.8 17:22:18 <peter1138> oh 17:22:23 <ln-> MiHaMiX: a cyrillic one? 17:22:30 <MiHaMiX> ln-: of course, in UTF8 17:22:51 <peter1138> well, i don't see it :P 17:23:15 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: i'll send it over to you 17:23:28 <ln-> considering there's one with latin alphabet currently in svn, i don't consider it such an "of course". 17:23:43 <peter1138> i guess we should junk that one 17:24:16 <peter1138> delete it and start with a utf-8 one in lang/ 17:24:52 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: agreed. 17:24:55 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: pm 17:26:26 <HMage> ln-: russian is _only_ in cyrillic. Polish uses latin and looks like russian. 17:26:41 <HMage> that might be some work of polish contributor 17:26:42 <peter1138> ##name Russian 17:26:42 <peter1138> ##ownname Russkiy 17:26:53 <peter1138> STR_0001_OFF_EDGE_OF_MAP :{WHITE}Za kraya 17:26:56 <peter1138> mi karti 17:26:58 <peter1138> heh 17:27:03 <ln-> HMage: ? ????. 17:27:25 <HMage> ln-: my irc client is configured for cp1251, else I won't be able to talk to other russians via IRC. 17:27:46 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:28:16 <ln-> HMage: Ok, well, there *is* a translitterated russian translation on SVN. 17:28:33 <ln-> HMage: I know it's stupid. 17:28:49 <ln-> And I know Russian is only cyrillic really. 17:28:51 <HMage> ln-: russian is not allowed to use transliteration, I think you should junk that one :) 17:29:11 <HMage> yeah, sorry. I woke up at 15:00 today and I feel out of place and time. 17:29:21 * HMage apologizes for being bitheaded 17:29:44 <ln-> 19:27 < ln-> HMage: ß çíàþ. 17:29:51 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 17:29:56 <ln-> better? 17:30:01 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host44-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:30:24 <Wolf01> evening 17:31:01 *** lolman_ [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:31:17 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by lolman_))] 17:31:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> my mIRC used to automatically convert incoming äöü to utf-8, if they weren't already 17:31:21 *** lolman_ is now known as lolman 17:31:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> and you could choose wether outgoing should be utf-8 or not 17:32:50 <ln-> ÕÌàãå? 17:32:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have not paid attention to what Konversation does 17:33:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is just rubbish ;) 17:33:35 <HMage> ln-: yeah, a lot better. 17:34:29 <ln-> HMage: you need to convince you fellow russians to switch over to utf-8. 17:34:49 <ln-> HMage: or use utf-8 autodetection in your irc client for the time being. 17:37:33 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7286 /trunk/lang/unfinished/russian.txt: -Translation: Remove unfinished latin transliterated Russian translation. 17:42:08 <peter1138> wtf 17:42:41 <MiHaMiX> ? 17:43:05 <peter1138> btw 17:43:14 <peter1138> is "???????" correct for the ownname? 17:43:32 <MiHaMiX> hmm 17:43:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> looks close enough ;) 17:43:55 <MiHaMiX> ##ownname Russian (MIUS) 17:44:05 <MiHaMiX> ##ownname Russian (MIUS) 17:44:07 <MiHaMiX> ehh 17:44:12 <MiHaMiX> STR_0001_OFF_EDGE_OF_MAP:{WHITE}.. ...... ..... 17:44:15 <MiHaMiX> hehe 17:44:59 <peter1138> hmm 17:45:09 <peter1138> these two translations are different... 17:45:23 <MiHaMiX> yes 17:45:30 <MiHaMiX> choose the most appropriate :D 17:45:38 <peter1138> -STR_0001_OFF_EDGE_OF_MAP :{WHITE}???? ????? 17:45:42 <peter1138> +STR_0001_OFF_EDGE_OF_MAP :{WHITE}?? ?????? ????? 17:45:49 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: well, uh, i have no idea which is correct... 17:45:54 <peter1138> -STR_0007_FLAT_LAND_REQUIRED :{WHITE}?????????? ?????? ????? 17:45:57 <peter1138> +STR_0007_FLAT_LAND_REQUIRED :{WHITE}?????????? ?????? ????? 17:46:02 <MiHaMiX> hmm 17:46:07 <MiHaMiX> this looks like same :D 17:46:22 <peter1138> no it doesn't 17:46:40 <MiHaMiX> hmm 17:46:54 <peter1138> -STR_A037_RENAME :{BLACK}????????????? 17:47:00 <peter1138> +STR_A037_RENAME :{BLACK}??????? 17:47:38 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: ok, compare which has more translated strings, and commit that one 17:47:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> my russian is pretty rudimentary, but none of this looks actually wrong, just different 17:48:06 <peter1138> the first one... 17:48:24 <peter1138> has more translations 17:48:41 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: which is the first? :) 17:48:42 <peter1138> both of them need updating with string changes, of course 17:48:48 <peter1138> the 0.4.7 version 17:48:54 <peter1138> or wherever it came from 17:49:00 <peter1138> it appears to have a string for ELRAIL 17:49:17 <MiHaMiX> the one I send to you was for 0.4.8 17:49:54 <peter1138> o_O 17:49:55 <peter1138> i know 17:50:09 <peter1138> that one looks better 17:50:13 <peter1138> what i propose to do 17:50:18 <peter1138> is to commit the lang 17:50:19 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: ok then, I trust your opinion :) 17:50:38 <peter1138> and then leave it to stagnate 17:50:40 <peter1138> noooo 17:50:45 *** Tron__ [2bJddVj8@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:50:47 <peter1138> things like {WEIGHT} need to be changed 17:50:58 <peter1138> {POWER}, etc 17:51:02 <peter1138> things added since 0.4.8 17:51:03 <peter1138> hmm 17:51:08 <peter1138> will WT2 notice those? 17:51:31 <MiHaMiX> what? 17:51:40 <MiHaMiX> the wrong PARAMs? 17:51:51 <MiHaMiX> of course, it'll mark these strings as bad 17:52:06 <peter1138> ok 17:52:14 <peter1138> yeah, different templates from english 17:52:20 <peter1138> your file has less warnings in it 17:52:22 <peter1138> so that's the one to use 17:53:09 <peter1138> is this based on the ttdrussia 0.4.8 release, then? 17:53:14 <peter1138> s/based on/from/ 17:53:31 <MiHaMiX> yes 17:53:33 <MiHaMiX> I think 17:53:56 <MiHaMiX> I sent over the mail iirc :) 17:54:01 *** Digitalfox [~digitalfo@bl7-186-177.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 17:54:13 <peter1138> it doesn't say that 17:54:46 <Digitalfox> thanks to the team for having nightly builds back.. :) 17:55:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> thank the guy who fucked them up in the first place :p 17:55:24 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 17:55:33 <MiHaMiX> then neither can I deny nor confirm 17:57:01 <Digitalfox> Eddi|zuHause3-> maybe they fuck them up, so that the working formula would be better.. Oh well.. Why do i even bother... 17:57:19 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7287 /trunk/lang/russian.txt: -Translation: Add Russian translation based on ttdrussia 0.4.8 release, thanks to Davydov M.A. 17:58:02 <peter1138> now it just needs updating... 18:01:58 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:05:40 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 18:07:02 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90-224-32-143-no95.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:07:03 <ln-> 19:43 < peter1138> is "Ðóññêèé" correct for the ownname? <-- yes 18:07:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln-: you need to turn on utf-8 again 18:09:59 <ln-> ah, yes 18:10:01 <ln-> 19:43 < peter1138> is "???????" correct for the ownname? <-- yes 18:10:04 <HMage> yes, "Ðóññêèé" is correct. 18:10:57 <HMage> ÐÑÑÑкОй 18:11:02 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-0969.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 18:11:18 * peter1138 needs to work on this grf saveload thing 18:11:36 <peter1138> specifically the 'always use' list of grfs 18:12:36 * Belugas needs to work on ottd... badly... and not on work@work :( 18:12:41 * Belugas needs vacations 18:12:49 <peter1138> heh 18:13:20 <MiHaMiX> Rechecking all langfiles....,,...................,..,,......... Done! 18:13:22 <MiHaMiX> ehh 18:13:26 <MiHaMiX> Total percentage: 18:13:31 <MiHaMiX> 90% - 8302 bad strings out of 90368 strings (2824 strings / language) 18:21:42 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:23:34 <lolman> Ello all :) 18:29:41 <HMage> MiHaMiX: can you give me access to WT2 for russian? I'll be doing checks on grammar and such. 18:30:17 <ln-> he'll tell you you have to send him email. 18:31:17 <MiHaMiX> HMage: currently I'm too occupied. I reserve a ticket for your case. Your ticket number is 4. I'll contact you as soon as I'm finished with ticket 3. 18:31:27 <HMage> ok :) 18:32:06 <Darkvater> all this russian char does no good for putty :( 18:32:43 * HMage has no problems with russian over putty 18:33:03 <Darkvater> hmm 18:33:11 <Darkvater> I get some codes, but others are just blocks 18:33:26 <HMage> what locale is on your unix host? 18:33:29 <Darkvater> window>translation>character set is utf-8 18:33:40 <Darkvater> hmm no idea 18:33:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> then choose a better font 18:33:50 <HMage> Darkvater: $ locale 18:34:26 <Darkvater> posix 18:34:31 <HMage> LC_CTYPE is most important 18:34:42 <HMage> well, then your unix treats UTF as latin-1 18:34:52 <Noldo> Darkvater: should be something ending with .utf-8 18:35:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> LC_CTYPE="de_DE.UTF-8" 18:35:13 <ln-> isn't posix 7-bit, besides? 18:35:32 <Darkvater> hmm so how do I set it? 18:35:38 * HMage has LC_CTYPE=ru_RU.CP1251 though 18:35:44 <Darkvater> [tfarago@tin 19:35 ~] > locale 18:35:44 <Darkvater> LANG=POSIX 18:35:44 <Darkvater> LC_CTYPE="POSIX" 18:36:01 <HMage> that's probably why. try en_EN.UTF-8 18:36:07 <Darkvater> how? 18:36:29 <HMage> search for locale settings in /etc, then relogin 18:36:37 <HMage> edit them, then relogin* 18:36:52 <Darkvater> ah I don't have write-access to /etc 18:36:52 <peter1138> they might need to be generated 18:37:49 <HMage> Darkvater: your unix treats utf8 as some invalid stream 18:37:54 <HMage> somewhere 18:37:56 <HMage> maybe terminal 18:38:34 <Darkvater> that helps ;p 18:38:43 <HMage> I know it doesn't :) 18:39:52 <Darkvater> ok, brb 18:39:54 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:40:27 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:04 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 18:41:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 18:41:06 <Darkvater> ok, try me :) 18:41:45 <glx> ?????????? <-- like that ? 18:41:55 <Darkvater> :( 18:42:00 <Darkvater> only questin-marks 18:42:20 <Darkvater> [tfarago@tin 19:42 ~] > locale 18:42:20 <Darkvater> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 18:42:20 <Darkvater> LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" 18:42:35 <HMage> ÐÑÑÑкОй 18:42:44 <Darkvater> yccknn^ 18:42:51 <HMage> yccknn^ 18:43:10 <Darkvater> ? 18:43:21 <Darkvater> HMage: yours looks good 18:43:22 <ln-> all glx said was questionmarks... 18:43:30 *** glx was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [damn you] 18:43:30 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 18:43:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:43:58 <HMage> ëÿëÿëÿ <-- this should be gibberish, since it's cp1251 18:44:09 <Darkvater> it'se e"y" 18:44:45 <ln-> Darkvater: OpenTTD - ???????????? ????, ???? ????????? ???? Transport Tycoon Deluxe. OpenTTD ???????? ?????????? ?????????? ? ???????? ?????. ??????? ?????? ??? ?????? ?????????? ???????????? ??????: Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, MorphOS ? ??. 18:44:45 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:45:04 <HMage> Ñúåøü åùž ýòèõ ìÿãêèõ ôðàíöóçêèõ áóëî÷åê, äà âûïåé ÷àþ. <-- this should be too, it's a test sentence like 'quick brown fox', but in russian, also cp1251. (my IRC client is cp1251) 18:45:15 <Darkvater> ln-: it's russian all right 18:45:16 <glx> ????? <-- better ? 18:45:23 <Darkvater> HMage: pretty rubbish, yes 18:45:27 <Darkvater> ok it works :) 18:45:47 <peter1138> en_US :( 18:45:50 <HMage> СÑеÑÑ ÐµÑÑ ÑÑÐžÑ ÐŒÑÐ³ÐºÐžÑ ÑÑаМÑÑÐ·ÐºÐžÑ Ð±ÑлПÑек, Ўа вÑпей ÑаÑ. <-- this should be normal for you (but not for me). 18:46:08 <peter1138> right 18:46:08 <Darkvater> yes 18:46:10 <glx> hmm one missing char in it 18:46:11 <Darkvater> peter1138: ? 18:46:19 <peter1138> i guess we need recruits to update the russian translation... 18:46:20 * lolman slaps outdated irssi 18:46:26 * lolman slaps Windows 18:46:47 <ln-> HMage: your client doesn't allow per-channel charset setting? 18:47:02 <HMage> my client doesn't allow charset setting at all. 18:47:20 <HMage> and I don't need it. everyone speaks cp1251. 18:47:26 <Darkvater> we don't :) 18:47:56 <HMage> well you're english, so it's compatible with cp1251 :) 18:48:00 <blathijs> Everyone that can' express themselves in cp1251 isn't talking a language I understand anyway 18:48:16 <blathijs> s/can'/can't/ 18:48:19 <peter1138> so i went to the café 18:48:34 <ln-> encyclopædia 18:48:43 <HMage> Darkvater: http://hmd.c58.ru/temp/temp.png - you should check that my cp1251 looks like utf8 I sent to you 18:48:44 <ln-> naïve 18:49:17 <peter1138> façade 18:49:34 <HMage> one missing letter is ok to understand you :) 18:49:41 <peter1138> fianceé 18:49:41 <peter1138> hee 18:49:43 <ln-> hägar the horrible 18:49:46 <HMage> encyclopedia, native, facade, cafe 18:49:56 <glx> peter1138: fiancée :) 18:50:03 <HMage> fiancee 18:50:14 <ln-> exposé 18:50:16 <peter1138> soufflé 18:50:17 <HMage> want screenshot? :) 18:50:23 <ln-> stargåte 18:50:35 <peter1138> HMage: encyclopaedia, thank you very much 18:50:56 <HMage> peter1138: but the meaning is still the same, so I can understand what you're talking 18:51:05 <peter1138> à propos 18:51:18 <HMage> sorry, but I can't change to utf8 here 18:51:44 <peter1138> jalapeño 18:52:23 <peter1138> soupçon 18:52:39 <peter1138> 18:50 < HMage> well you're english, so it's compatible with cp1251 :) 18:52:41 <peter1138> basically 18:52:42 <peter1138> that's not true :) 18:52:56 <blathijs> 19:47 < blathijs> Everyone that can' express themselves in cp1251 isn't talking a language I understand anyway 18:52:59 <blathijs> But that is :-) 18:53:26 <HMage> well, english alphabet letters on your charset and mine matchþ 18:53:28 <HMage> well, english alphabet letters on your charset and mine match. 18:53:36 <ln-> peter1138: and to express the names of various little shops at e.g. bayswater area, any latin charset is not sufficient. :) 18:53:37 <peter1138> ????? 18:53:40 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:53:50 <HMage> http://hmd.c58.ru/temp/I-have-no-utf8-smile.png 18:54:03 <peter1138> heh 18:56:46 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E87A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:56:48 <blathijs> I just get ? instead of the characters, so I think it might just be the font that misses the characters :-) 18:57:00 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:59:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> Wodka... might be a good idea right now ;) 19:01:12 <peter1138> i prefer vodka... 19:02:44 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0FD5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:04:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> the english write that with V? 19:04:53 <glx> russians too I think 19:05:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> i learned the transliteration of russian ? would be W 19:06:27 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause3: how would you write mr. Putin's first name? 19:06:30 <glx> for me "?" is "v" except at end of word where it is "ff" 19:06:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wodka 19:07:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln-: russian names have never less than 3 different variations ;) 19:07:26 <peter1138> even the picture it says VODKA :P 19:07:29 <peter1138> -it 19:07:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> that's because it's an eglish bottle 19:08:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> *english 19:08:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> "Englisch: [1] vodka" 19:08:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> says it on the bottom of the page 19:10:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> interesting... it says it's male in german, but female in french 19:10:38 <MiHaMiX> HMage: your turn. 19:10:53 <HMage> , 19:10:54 <HMage> ? 19:11:01 <HMage> Âîäêà (cp1251:) 19:11:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> we will never be able to read cp1251 19:11:31 <MiHaMiX> HMage: could you please write me an email to translation@openttd.org for signing up a translator account, as written on http://translator2.openttd.org/ ? 19:11:56 *** Digitalfox [~digitalfo@bl7-186-177.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 19:11:57 <HMage> try searching for 'transliteration' on wikipedia, you'll find out there are several ways to transliterate into english 19:12:07 <HMage> MiHaMiX: I will. 19:12:18 <ln-> 20:30 < ln-> he'll tell you you have to send him email. 19:12:25 <HMage> ln- : :) 19:12:38 <HMage> hooray for beraucracy :) 19:12:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> [20:12] <ln-> 20:30 < ln-> ... :p 19:14:23 *** Nigel [~Nigel@125-238-62-1.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:14:27 <MiHaMiX> HMage: thanks 19:14:59 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause3: i know, i live in the future. you are welcome to visit. 19:16:02 <HMage> localecode is something like 'ru_RU'? 19:16:10 <HMage> and what is plural type? 19:17:01 <ln-> ru_RU.UTF-8 19:19:43 <ln-> plural type is probably 6. 19:20:52 <HMage> 6? 19:21:17 <ln-> do you have a better number? 19:21:47 <HMage> 104 :) 19:21:50 <HMage> what does that number mean? 19:22:15 <ln-> // Three forms, special cases for numbers ending in 1 and 2, 3, 4, except those ending in 1[1-4] 19:22:19 <ln-> // Used in: 19:22:21 <ln-> // Croatian, Czech, Russian, Slovak, Ukrainian 19:22:24 <ln-> case 6: 19:22:26 <ln-> return n%10==1 && n%100!=11 ? 0 : n%10>=2 && n%10<=4 && (n%100<10 || n%100>=20) ? 1 : 2; 19:22:52 <HMage> like 1-st, 2-nd, 3-rd? 19:23:16 <ln-> a little like that 19:23:44 <HMage> 1-??, 2-??, 3-??, 4-??, 5-??, 6-??, 7-??, 8-??, 9-??, 10-??, 11-??, 12-??, 13-??, 14-??... 19:24:00 <ln-> 1 train, 2 trains, 3 trains, 4 trainov, ... 19:24:46 <HMage> 1 ?????, 2 ??????, 3 ??????, 4 ??????, 5 ???????, 6 ???????, 7 ???????, 8 ???????, 9 ???????, 10 ???????, 11 ??????? 19:26:29 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 19:27:20 <ln-> HMage: 22 ??????? 19:27:51 <HMage> yes 19:28:12 <ln-> ok, so 6 is most likely correct. 19:28:13 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 19:31:33 <Ailure> What was that? 19:37:07 <HMage> I've just discovered another exploit in openttd 19:37:22 <Ailure> mnmmm 19:37:32 <Ailure> Bet you're going to sell all thoose electronical pounds on ebay 19:37:34 <Ailure> bastard 19:37:53 <Ailure> mm what is the exploit though= 19:38:10 <HMage> a person can overcome his poor station rating by building two truck loading stations, one adjacent to train station, second - not 19:38:21 <HMage> and trasnferring all cargo from station two to station one 19:38:36 <Ailure> ah well heh 19:38:42 <Ailure> that's just how station rating system works 19:38:53 <Ailure> it's partly rated depending on how often vehicles arrives or something 19:39:16 <HMage> so if a person say has train station rating of 30%, he blocks out competitiors by using trucks 19:40:33 <HMage> is there a way to add a check for both stations being in coverage area of the same industry? 19:41:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln-: i just wanted to say, if you live in the future, it is no speciality that you can tell in advance, what miham was going to say 19:48:30 <ln-> no, and neither are these flying cars a speciality. 19:51:27 <Ailure> railroad companies will convert all railroads instantly with the help of nano-technology :) 19:51:41 <Ailure> *cough* 19:52:10 <hylje> :A 19:53:45 <Ailure> I actually played with that thought 19:53:52 <Ailure> and then it going haywire 19:54:00 <Ailure> covering the whole landscape with trakcs 20:01:32 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD57729C3.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:06:59 <Ailure> heh 20:07:07 <Ailure> I wonder how I should do my next openTTD game 20:07:27 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:07:38 <lolman> Damn Eve online sucks... 20:07:42 <hylje> :o 20:08:04 <lolman> Way too hard for newbies to get started :o 20:08:26 <|Jeroen|> i rather liked it 20:08:39 <|Jeroen|> but im unwilling to pay a monthly fee for any game 20:08:52 <Ailure> I might have gotten into it 20:08:55 <Ailure> if I gave it more time 20:09:23 <Ailure> but it's not really my kind of MMO 20:10:06 <lolman> I decided I wanted to be a miner...using my trial...so, I used the new patch's 800k skill points for mining skills etc...stupid thing is, you only get a stupid basic miner...and also...you can't get much money if you don't go into low security systems...which will lead to you being blown to bits by pirates 20:10:40 <Ailure> It also seems to be one of thoose games you could semibot easily 20:10:59 <wvx> only in empire 20:11:22 <Ailure> and there seems to be a trend 20:11:29 <Ailure> about free MMO's 20:11:38 <Ailure> but most of them are plagued from being levelling treadmills 20:11:42 <lolman> I really don't like the look of WoW myself...so I won't try that 20:11:59 <|Jeroen|> dunno many free mmo's 20:12:16 <lolman> Anarchy Online is free till 2008...dunno what it's like though 20:12:56 <|Jeroen|> i used to play shatterd galaxy 20:12:59 <|Jeroen|> that was semi free 20:13:04 <lolman> Semi? 20:13:04 <wvx> free stuff tends to attract many people, which means many annoying people ;) 20:13:11 <hylje> idiots 20:13:14 <|Jeroen|> you got only 80% exp 20:13:18 <lolman> Ah 20:13:21 <lolman> That sucks 20:13:26 <|Jeroen|> but they now reduced that to 40% for non playing users 20:13:30 <|Jeroen|> so it sucks 20:13:31 <lolman> :O 20:13:32 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3FF4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:38 <lolman> brb, need water 20:13:42 <wvx> lolman, what do you consider to be a "basic miner"? 20:14:17 <wvx> did you expect to fly out to 0.0 with a hulk? 20:14:17 <HMage> hey, what about counting the time not from the time the train starts from the station, but the time it's available on the station to pick up? 20:14:32 <ln-> who has a full-feature DVB card? raise your hands. 20:15:31 <blathijs> I have two or three no nonsense TV tuner cards? 20:15:56 <ln-> no nonsense? ... 20:16:15 <blathijs> No remote control, no hardware codecs, etc 20:17:30 <ln-> anyway, i was wondering does anyone know why e.g. Technotrend has *removed* outputs for anything other than composite video in their new full-feature cards? 20:17:38 <peter1138> hmm, ok 20:17:43 <peter1138> plural 6... 20:17:49 <lolman> wvx: I would have much preferred to have had the same ship with a slightly better mining module 20:18:01 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3DCE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:02 <blathijs> ln-: I've got no clue who Technotrend is, so, no 20:18:15 <wvx> you want better stuff, train skills :) 20:18:25 <lolman> Mining Lv5...lol 20:18:28 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 20:18:35 <lolman> Can't afford a tech 2 miner of a decent ship 20:18:35 <ln-> "TechnoTrend was founded in 1990 and is located in Erfurt, Germany. The company is dedicated to delivering a family of industry-leading solutions of interactive broadband applications (equipment for transmission and reception) specifically in the arenas of digital television (DVB) with use of either a Personal Computer or standard television set. TechnoTrend develops products for all major transmission systems (cable, satellite, terrestrial)." 20:18:41 <lolman> or* 20:18:45 <wvx> then mine some 20:18:58 <lolman> Can't get much money from Veldspar... 20:19:32 <wvx> come on, carebear-land has kernite and some jaspet 20:19:41 <lolman> What sec is that? 20:19:50 <wvx> the lowest imaginable 20:20:04 <lolman> Can barely go there with the ship I'm given, can I? 20:20:10 <Ailure> heh 20:20:15 <wvx> in other words 0.5 20:20:16 <Ailure> I'm thinking of creating a free MMO 20:20:23 <Ailure> Which will be very liberal though 20:20:38 <Ailure> I don't mind if 3rd parties sell/buy XXX fictional currency from my game 20:20:42 <lolman> 0.5...hmm, is jaspet valuable? :o 20:20:46 <wvx> liberal as in n00bs get top notch eqipment from the go? 20:20:58 <Ailure> one way of destroying thoose business 20:21:16 <wvx> yeah, but rare. kernite is more numerous 20:21:16 <Ailure> would be offering some high-end (but not the end to all) equipment for real money 20:21:20 <Ailure> or it dosen't have to be high-end 20:21:22 <Ailure> just unique 20:21:34 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7288 /trunk/lang/russian.txt: -Translation: Fix currency symbols in Russian 20:22:09 <Ailure> sometims I wonder if I should fork openTTD and make it partially a MMORPG ;P but it probably would turn kind of lame 20:22:52 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:22:57 <wvx> i can't imagine it being TT-ish and "persistant" 20:23:53 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:23:59 <Ailure> heh 20:24:06 <Ailure> I like the idea of a really big TT game though 20:24:29 <Ailure> but then I rather see some other smaller things done first 20:24:47 <lolman> Hmm, what was that system called wvx 20:24:49 <lolman> ? 20:25:17 <wvx> lowest sec systems with concord is 0.5 20:25:48 <wvx> there are rats in the belts though 20:25:54 <lolman> lol 20:26:13 <lolman> Tough or not? 20:26:19 <lolman> (For a total n00b) 20:26:30 <hylje> :o 20:26:38 <wvx> typically tougher than the rats in a 0.6 system 20:26:49 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7289 /trunk/lang/russian.txt: -Translation: use only {STRING}, not {STRINGx} in non-English 20:26:56 <Ailure> like heh 20:27:06 <lolman> Well that's a bit obvious...lol 20:27:11 <Ailure> I have a few odd ideas about multiplayer in openTTD 20:27:17 <Ailure> like having a server doing 2048x2048 20:27:31 <lolman> Can the blaster you're given at the start beat them? :o 20:27:33 <Ailure> but players might only like see 512x512 at a time xD Might improve perfomance 20:27:50 <Ailure> or decrease it 20:27:53 <Ailure> hmm 20:27:58 <wvx> just train some skills for a tier1 caldari cruiser (can't remember name) and you'll be able to kill'em, prolly 20:28:00 <Ailure> eh it wouldn't be that easy 20:28:21 <wvx> that boat is also an excellent miner 20:29:32 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD57729C3.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29:36 <lolman> Considering I have next to no ISK I can't really buy skills :P 20:29:51 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD57729C3.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:31:46 <wvx> yeah well you're a fraking n00b 20:31:54 <wvx> deal with it 20:32:05 <wvx> be glad you got 800k sp 20:32:19 <lolman> wvx: calm down :o 20:33:26 <wvx> i am calm 20:33:37 <wvx> and bored, doing gatecamp 20:34:17 <wvx> i, btw, made aprox. one million isk on my first day. without 800k sp 20:35:37 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 20:35:58 <wvx> that was, however, not by mining 20:41:51 <Wolf01> 'night 20:41:54 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host44-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 20:43:42 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CC1B.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 20:43:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-205-60.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:49:35 * Brianetta grabs new nightly 20:49:59 <lolman> Compile farm working again? 20:50:05 * Brianetta shrugs 20:51:43 <Darkvater> hmm I don't think windows nightlies work... 20:51:54 <Darkvater> or the log isn't updated 20:52:00 <Brianetta> Who cares about Windows? (: 20:52:10 <Brianetta> Oooh, peter1138's server is coop 20:52:15 * Brianetta thinks about spectating 20:52:43 <Darkvater> 21:43:12] Error-report of compile 'openttd:nightly' with rule 'amd64_dedicated' 20:52:43 <Darkvater> /bin/sh: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc: command not found 20:52:43 <Darkvater> expr: syntax error 20:52:44 <Darkvater> he 20:53:12 <Brianetta> I think that the servers web page on openttd.org should look for URLs in server names, and provide a clickable link to that URL 20:53:22 <Brianetta> http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=6 20:53:26 <Brianetta> Take this example 20:53:33 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7290 /trunk/lang/russian.txt: -Translation: update Russian for changes since 0.4.8: new commands and string removed or modified in English 20:53:35 <Brianetta> If the URL in the title was clickable, it'd be really cool 20:56:36 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7291 /trunk/lang/russian.txt: -Translation: use SMALL[LEFT|RIGHT]ARROW for two strings 20:57:56 <peter1138> that's the last of me meddling with strings 20:58:00 <peter1138> for now 20:58:01 <peter1138> muwaha 20:58:06 <peter1138> hmm 20:58:15 <peter1138> shall i bother replacing the cooler on this graphics car.d.. 20:58:23 <Brianetta> peter1138: Is there a new viaduct grf? 20:58:28 <Brianetta> Yours is 41k, mine's 1.4 20:58:31 <Brianetta> Yours is 41k, mine's 14 20:58:50 <peter1138> then yes 20:58:58 <Brianetta> cool 20:59:00 <Brianetta> what changed? 20:59:21 <Brianetta> Oh btw, your UKRS grf links are broken. You have the real files ina directory, the URLs don't reflect this. 20:59:32 <peter1138> no idea 20:59:41 *** Ooper [~Ooper@82.197.21.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:46 <peter1138> perhaps additional road surfaces 21:00:00 <peter1138> though i can't see how that would account for 27k 21:00:29 <Brianetta> version mis-match 21:00:33 *** Ooper [~Ooper@82.197.21.122] has joined #openttd 21:00:40 <Brianetta> boo 21:01:35 <peter1138> hmm 21:02:02 <peter1138> yeah, i should update my server... 21:02:24 <peter1138> what's the nightly version? 21:02:31 <Brianetta> 7287 21:02:40 <peter1138> ok 21:02:50 <Brianetta> last 16-bit-only maths co-pro 21:03:01 <Brianetta> in the intel line 21:03:02 <peter1138> i need to update my ukrs too 21:03:23 <Brianetta> There's a new one? 21:03:33 <Brianetta> Dman, am I behind 21:03:43 <Brianetta> Mind you, I run the stable ones normally 21:03:55 <peter1138> yeah, it's a 3.03 or something 21:04:01 <Brianetta> although if we're going for a "standard UK server" setup, I'll follow yours 21:04:14 <Brianetta> You need more newstations (: 21:04:59 <peter1138> that could be achieved 21:05:20 <Brianetta> Co-Op Rules 21:05:20 <Brianetta> Rules suck 21:05:20 <Brianetta> Co-Op Rules 21:05:20 <Brianetta> Rules suck 21:05:24 <Brianetta> sorry 21:05:30 <Brianetta> (: 21:05:39 <hylje> what 21:06:59 * peter1138 waits for compilage to finish 21:08:15 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD57729C3.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 21:08:36 *** Ooper [~Ooper@82.197.21.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:27 *** Ooper [~Ooper@82.197.21.122] has joined #openttd 21:12:31 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:13:35 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-0969.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: zzzzzzzzzzzzz] 21:13:47 * peter1138 updates ukrsap1w while he's at it 21:15:16 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 21:16:27 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:17:14 <peter1138> boo, i forgot to re./configure 21:19:01 <Brianetta> ./configure? 21:19:06 <Brianetta> we don't just make and prayh? 21:19:39 <peter1138> that's always an option 21:19:58 <Brianetta> If I have a working build environment, what's the advantage? 21:20:11 <peter1138> [All] Peter1138: ?hmm 21:20:14 <Brianetta> Normally, I just svn up then make 21:20:35 <peter1138> i guess that colour code stripping either doesn't work or isn't being used there... 21:20:50 <peter1138> none 21:20:59 <peter1138> unless new dependencies ahve been added 21:21:01 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:21:12 <peter1138> ./configure will detect and enable freetype and fontconfig support 21:21:36 <Brianetta> freetype 21:21:37 <Brianetta> cool 21:22:09 <Darkvater> peter1138: it's not done in system-console 21:22:16 <peter1138> no, i can see that now :) 21:22:23 <Brianetta> the colour code stuff breaks in-game commands, like !version and !page 21:22:52 <Darkvater> how so? You need to parse the string anyways 21:22:59 <peter1138> and there i was, saying it was fixed ;p 21:23:01 <Brianetta> It breaks the string up on spaces 21:23:17 <Darkvater> eh? 21:23:17 <Brianetta> and looks at the beginning of the string parts 21:23:18 <Darkvater> it is 21:23:25 <Darkvater> name #color# text 21:23:48 <Brianetta> It's changed, though? 21:24:17 <Brianetta> say test 21:24:17 <Brianetta> [All] Brianetta: ?test 21:24:28 <Brianetta> That extra character means it won't see any commands in-game 21:24:34 <peter1138> :/ 21:24:34 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 21:24:41 <Darkvater> is that ingame console or dedicated console? 21:24:45 <Brianetta> dedicated 21:24:55 <Darkvater> that extra character is #colour# 21:25:02 <Brianetta> It's notr even visible 21:25:10 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:11 <peter1138> it should be stripped, i guess 21:25:11 <Darkvater> it's openttd-colour code 21:25:20 <Brianetta> It should be stripped 21:25:34 <peter1138> 2043... 21:25:40 <peter1138> maybe i should start a new game 21:25:47 <Darkvater> well then someone go rip up the console code cause the dedicated version is fckin ugly 21:25:55 <peter1138> heh 21:25:57 <peter1138> well 21:26:03 <Darkvater> console.c:381, stripping happens in console.c:392 21:26:22 <Darkvater> the passed string is a const, I'm not butchering that just so you can strip the colour 21:26:24 <peter1138> WriteToLogFile? hmm 21:27:34 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has joined #openttd 21:28:16 <peter1138> heh, http://fuzzle.org/o/stripcon.diff 21:28:23 <peter1138> shame about the needless duplication... 21:28:33 <Darkvater> ugh :s 21:28:39 <Darkvater> that is ghastly 21:28:44 <Darkvater> and exactly why I didn't do it 21:30:48 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:33:56 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.140.112.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:28 <Darkvater> hmm should logfile be stripped of colours/invalid chars? 21:36:37 <peter1138> dunno 21:36:42 <peter1138> i didn't even know there was a logfile... 21:36:47 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/stripcon2.diff 21:36:55 <peter1138> (but functioned off...) 21:37:06 <Darkvater> well? on/off? 21:37:45 <Darkvater> he peter1138, that's even worse ;p 21:37:55 <peter1138> but no string duplicating :P 21:38:10 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 21:38:24 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7292 /trunk/console.c: 21:38:24 <CIA-1> -Codechange: Also validate an strip of colours the console string passed to the dedicated 21:38:24 <CIA-1> console or logfile. 21:39:56 <Darkvater> KUDr: ping 21:40:34 <KUDr> pong my master 21:40:57 <Darkvater> hmm you missed me PM's I think 21:41:26 <KUDr> last is from [10:45:35] 21:41:32 <KUDr> morning 21:43:58 *** Sacro [Ben@83.100.248.135] has joined #openttd 21:46:12 <lws1984> Sacro! 21:48:33 <peter1138> new ukrs coop game? 21:48:34 <peter1138> hmm 21:49:32 <lolman> Oh noes... 21:50:24 <peter1138> what? 21:50:24 <hylje> :O 21:50:50 <lolman> Sacro :P 21:51:01 <lolman> Ongoing thing :) 21:51:27 <Sacro> peter1138: has the compile farm figured out win32? 21:51:30 <peter1138> yeah 21:51:45 <lolman> And as soon as I can get a wired connection to my router sorted I'm gonna shove Arch on my box proper 21:52:17 <Sacro> lolman: you liking it? 21:52:29 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: PandaMojo] 21:52:58 <lolman> Sacro, I'm liking the customisability :) 21:53:10 <Sacro> yeah, its great 21:53:15 <Sacro> and i think i have enough for the g25 21:53:41 <lolman> Lucky shite 21:54:01 <Sacro> hmm, balance of 323 21:54:13 <Sacro> i have 50 in my paypal 21:54:19 <Sacro> and i get 1700 on 15/1 21:54:32 <Sacro> ooh and i have about 60 in my wallet 21:55:04 * Sacro heads off to a shop[ 21:55:49 <lolman> :@ 21:55:54 <peter1138> g25? 21:56:04 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:56:38 <Sacro> peter1138: logitech g25, steering wheel + 3 pedals + 6 shifter 21:56:52 <peter1138> oh 21:57:05 <peter1138> not enough games for that 21:57:22 <Sacro> GTR2 :D 21:57:31 <peter1138> GTR2? 21:57:47 <Sacro> by simbin, its an amazing sim 21:58:08 <lolman> GTR2 sux0rz 21:58:15 <Sacro> lolman: you ever played it? 21:58:23 *** LolmanOnArch [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:58:27 <LolmanOnArch> :o 21:58:43 <lolman> Yeah Sacro, felt really slippy 21:58:56 <LolmanOnArch> As though the car wasn't below me 21:58:58 <Sacro> lolman: yeah, gt racing is 21:59:41 <LolmanOnArch> I still prefer LFS...I'm a fanboy :P 22:00:16 <Sacro> yeah 22:00:25 <Sacro> im more of an rfactor guy 22:00:30 <LolmanOnArch> Ewwww 22:00:33 <LolmanOnArch> rTractor :S 22:01:12 <LolmanOnArch> What does help my LFS fanboy-ism is that I know one of the forum mods personally :P 22:01:47 <Sacro> i know an Egosoft forum mod personally 22:01:53 <Sacro> in fact, hes in here now :p 22:02:00 <LolmanOnArch> lol 22:02:11 <LolmanOnArch> I'm in the same TeamSpeak server as this huy right now 22:02:58 <Sacro> hmm, 189 inc delivery from gameplay 22:03:33 <LolmanOnArch> Bit steep 22:04:20 <Sacro> 186.75 from OCUK 22:04:34 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:04:40 <LolmanOnArch> Look for it a bit cheaper lol 22:04:53 <Sacro> 150 on dabs, but 4 week wait 22:07:26 <Sacro> £200 from logitech 22:07:58 <LolmanOnArch> Yuck 22:08:38 <Sacro> and i only have paypal :( 22:08:54 <Sacro> 189 on komplett 22:09:11 <LolmanOnArch> :-\ 22:10:54 <Sacro> yeah i know 22:11:32 <bulio|> any C coders around? 22:11:44 <peter1138> just a bi 22:11:46 <peter1138> er 22:11:46 <peter1138> bit 22:12:02 <peter1138> the game is written in C, after all... 22:12:12 <bulio|> whats the differencec between scanf, getchar, and gets? 22:12:17 <Sacro> lol 22:12:29 <bulio|> I'm trying to learn C, and theres so many input methods 22:12:40 <peter1138> getchar gets... a chr 22:12:43 <peter1138> *sigh* 22:12:44 <peter1138> a char 22:12:49 <peter1138> gets should never be used 22:13:31 <bulio|> its a bug 22:14:01 <bulio|> so all getchar can get is a char? 22:14:17 <peter1138> and scanf is for scanning input based on a predefined format 22:14:24 <peter1138> yes, it does what it says 22:14:37 <peter1138> fgets() is probably the one to use 22:14:38 <bulio|> so if I want to get a float or int, i'd use scanf 22:14:45 <bulio|> why fgets()? 22:15:15 <peter1138> because it's safest 22:16:17 <peter1138> strtof and strtol can be used to convert a string to a float or int 22:17:05 <peter1138> but as ##c say, you should probably look in your book ;) 22:17:49 *** ufoun [~ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:18:42 <bulio|> my book says to use getchar and scanf ;) 22:20:46 <peter1138> scanf is probably fine for reading a float or int 22:20:59 <peter1138> it gets a bit dodgy with strings though 22:21:15 <bulio|> so fgets() for strings, scanf for floats and ints 22:22:21 <peter1138> that'll do 22:22:33 <peter1138> sleepy time 22:22:41 <bulio|> alright, thanks 22:30:04 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6E63.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:30 *** LolmanOnArch [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:41:00 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:40 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:45:17 <Sacro> oh noes 23:11:40 <lolman> :P 23:12:50 <lolman> Sacro, one thing I'll need to install Arch properly and set it all up is the ability to set ndiswrapper up properly :P 23:13:04 <lolman> wtf@my last comment :-\ 23:13:11 <Sacro> lolman: pacman -S ndiswrapper-utils 23:13:14 <lolman> Aha 23:13:22 <lolman> And Yeah Sacro I know that... 23:13:24 <Sacro> then err... ndiswrapper --help 23:13:29 <Sacro> and install the inf file 23:13:32 <Sacro> modprobe ndiswrapper 23:13:38 <lolman> Sacro, I did it on this box :P 23:13:40 <Sacro> iwconfig wlan0 essid... eth 23:13:42 <Sacro> *etc 23:13:54 <lolman> I used NetworkManager to get this working, much easier 23:14:15 <lolman> Couldn't do it with iwconfig...WPA :-\ 23:14:18 <Sacro> dont think arch has that yet 23:15:04 <lolman> :( 23:17:20 <lolman> Being 2 floors up I can't really use a wire 23:17:29 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 23:19:28 <Sacro> lolman: iwconfig is easy 23:19:48 <lolman> Sacro, does it work with WPA though? 23:19:56 <Sacro> for me its "iwconfig wlan0 essid $essid mode Managed key $key" 23:20:11 <Sacro> yeah if you have wpa_supplicant 23:20:53 <lolman> Hmm, will try it...brb :P 23:22:33 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:22:35 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:22:49 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:23:36 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F218E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: YOU! It was you wasn't it!?] 23:24:00 <lolman> Hmm 23:24:06 <lolman> That figures 23:24:15 <lolman> No luck at all with that 23:26:24 <Sacro> read the arch wiki 23:26:29 <Sacro> oooooh, install wifi-rader 23:26:30 <lolman> On Ubuntu I mean :P 23:26:33 <Sacro> thats quite a useful app 23:26:46 <lolman> I had no luck with that either 23:26:53 <lolman> Seems it doesn't support WPA 23:27:29 <lolman> I could just compile NetworkManager :P 23:27:40 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.6/2006102918]] 23:28:36 <Sacro> lolman: for arch? 23:28:48 <lolman> Yeah lol 23:29:41 <Sacro> grab the pkgbuild from aur.archlinux.org 23:29:45 <Sacro> and then run makepkg 23:31:36 <lolman> It's in the binary packages :) 23:33:06 <lolman> pacman -S gnome-network-manager 23:33:07 <lolman> :) 23:33:55 *** Osai [~Osai@p57AAF629.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 23:36:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EE7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:52 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:44:40 * HMage ponders trying arch 23:45:56 *** YogSothoth_ [~john@lns-bzn-55-82-255-128-143.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 23:46:38 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:03 *** YogSothoth [~john@lns-bzn-55-82-255-160-47.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:47:07 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 23:51:00 <Sacro> HMage: GO FOR IT 23:51:11 *** Sacro [Ben@83.100.248.135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51:14 <HMage> tomorrow. I have to be sleeping 23:53:38 <lolman> His connection died :P 23:54:15 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.37] has quit [Quit: HMage] 23:55:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]