Log for #openttd on 8th December 2006:
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00:00:00  <mikk36> ?
00:01:17  <Brianetta> There
00:01:22  <mikk36> thanks
00:01:36  <Brianetta> This MySQL stuff needs work
00:01:48  <Brianetta> It's basically functional, but not officially supported yet
00:03:50  <glx> io]nowhere: ok this message is displayed until all clients before you have download the map
00:04:22  <mikk36> k, testing now
00:04:50  <glx> io]nowhere: and your map is quite big (1024*2048), so it can take a while for slow clients
00:06:18  <io]nowhere> i know, but i don't think that is it
00:06:43  <io]nowhere> last week we played on it with three people, and there was a password
00:06:44  <glx> 2MB map
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00:06:59  <glx> currently downloading
00:07:00  <io]nowhere> two of use could join the game and were on it... The third got that message.
00:07:24  <io]nowhere> how can there be 1 client in front of you when there is only 1 person connecting?
00:07:46  <io]nowhere> it works now again though
00:07:55  <io]nowhere> aside of the desync errors :<
00:08:06  <glx> hmm I get kicked :)
00:08:22  <io]nowhere> kicked?
00:08:32  <mikk36> but still, irc, Brianetta
00:09:01  <glx> io]nowhere: yes return to intro without error message
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00:10:02  <glx> no wait this time
00:10:30  <io]nowhere> yeah seems like it is gone, for now?
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00:10:46  <io]nowhere> but maybe I should put on a less big map
00:10:55  <io]nowhere> the server can handle though, it's brand new
00:11:12  <glx> or increase max_join_time
00:11:21  <Sacro> anyone know if theres a dos batch file equvalent to $@
00:11:42  <glx> what does $@ do ?
00:11:56  <io]nowhere> it's on 500 now
00:12:39  <Brianetta> glx: It expands to all parameters
00:13:01  <Eddi|zuHause2> god, the last time i used batch files was when i used Novell DOS 7
00:13:31  <Brianetta> Eddi: Last time I did was this afternoon.  We use them at work for logon scripts because we haven't learned vb scripting.
00:13:51  <Brianetta> Since I've been batching for 15 years or so, I can't think of much I need VB for
00:14:15  <Eddi|zuHause2> that were the days... i programmed a menu structure for selecting games to play ;)
00:14:18  <Ailure> that's actually a common usage
00:14:26  <Ailure> batch files for logins that is
00:14:37  <Brianetta> It's the most common
00:14:47  <Brianetta> but we have really complex ones for network management, too
00:14:48  <Ailure> usually for mounting network folders as drives I belive
00:14:55  <Eddi|zuHause2> was totally cool, using ansi sequences for colours and cursor positioning
00:14:56  <Ailure> and then other stuff
00:15:00  <Brianetta> run on demand by those in our team who are too thick to know what to do
00:15:32  <io]nowhere> thanks for your help glx
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00:15:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> i wonder if those files are still floating around somewhere
00:15:51  <DaleStan> peter1138: <-- Part of the NewGRF contract is, I believe, that GRFs with grfid FFFFFFFF may be added and removed freely, with no gameplay effect.
00:15:52  <glx> io]nowhere: I did nothing :)
00:16:13  <io]nowhere> really?
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00:16:30  <io]nowhere> i remember you connecting to the server and all? And helped with the investigation?
00:16:39  <glx> that's all
00:16:59  <io]nowhere> orudge, question. Is there some known bug that gives out '1 client in front of you' forever, while there are none?
00:17:23  <glx> it's not forever
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00:17:33  <orudge> Eh?
00:17:42  * orudge has no idea...
00:17:53  <glx> only 1 client can download the map at a time
00:18:04  <io]nowhere> glx: I know, but it gave it out while no others were connecting
00:18:29  <glx> so io]nowhere, the thing was just all clients tried to connect at the same time
00:18:56  <io]nowhere> no...
00:19:03  <glx> and probably a very slow client was the first
00:19:21  <glx> while I was trying there were 6 clients and 6 companies
00:19:28  <io]nowhere> it's an open server now, but last week there was a password on it
00:19:50  <glx> when I finally connect only 3 companies and 4 clients was on it
00:19:52  <io]nowhere> we were playing with three people, one of us left the server for reboot
00:20:22  <io]nowhere> then she came back, and got '1 client in front of you', there wer no others connecting
00:20:28  <io]nowhere> she waited like 5 minutes, it didn't go away
00:20:44  <io]nowhere> so I restarted the server, then it worked again
00:21:02  <io]nowhere> it much like what happened now...
00:21:12  * Brianetta looks to see if the Dutch catenary grf is numbered FFFFFFFF
00:21:47  <glx> it isn't
00:21:55  <Brianetta> no
00:22:12  <Brianetta> At the moment I can't forceit into my games like I used to
00:22:24  <glx> New fences isn't either
00:22:38  <Brianetta> The server chooses all
00:22:42  <glx> same for gstone_w
00:22:48  <io]nowhere> these are costum graphics rights?
00:22:48  <Brianetta> even the purely cosmetic
00:22:56  <Brianetta> io: Yes
00:23:08  <Brianetta> specifically, we're talking about cosmetic-only ones
00:23:12  <Brianetta> that don't change gameplay
00:23:13  <io]nowhere> I never tried them, do they have to be somehow set on the server? Or pure client side?
00:23:19  <Brianetta> server
00:23:28  <Brianetta> although, recently it wasboth
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00:23:44  <Brianetta> io: NewGRF is a mod specification, not just graohics
00:23:51  <io]nowhere> do those servers show up on the server list? Just like all other servers?
00:23:55  <Brianetta> Yes
00:24:05  <Brianetta> and they whinge if you don't have the right files around
00:24:14  <io]nowhere> whinge?
00:24:22  <io]nowhere> = don't show the costum ones?
00:24:23  <Brianetta> yeah, you get an error on stdout
00:24:28  <io]nowhere> oh.
00:24:31  <Brianetta> when you try to join
00:24:33  <io]nowhere> never had such thing
00:24:36  <glx> and usually you get desync when you try to connect to them and you don't know which newgrfs are needed :)
00:24:43  <Brianetta> glx: Not any more
00:25:00  <Brianetta> Now, you get "could not load saved game" as the error, immediately
00:25:01  <glx> yes with nightlies it's ok now
00:25:10  <io]nowhere> and there is a server with dutch train graphics?
00:25:15  <Brianetta> and on stdout you get to see the grfid and md5 sum of missing grfs
00:25:36  <io]nowhere> or are those NewGRF all beta servers?
00:25:39  <Brianetta> io: No.  You see, it never used to matter - that grf is purely cosmetic, so the players chose it if they wanted it.
00:25:52  <Brianetta> Recent changes make that impossible, although I'm told that willo change for the bette.r
00:26:04  <Brianetta> My typing is all over the place tonight.
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00:26:25  <glx> you type too fast :)
00:26:36  <Brianetta> Too fast?
00:27:01  <Brianetta> I've been IRCing for well over 12 years... it does things to your typing speed
00:27:02  <glx> one hand goes faster than the ther
00:27:05  <Brianetta> Nah
00:27:15  <Brianetta> It's something to do with my dysgraphia
00:27:20  <Brianetta> It gets worse when I'm tired
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00:27:48  <Brianetta> We have this 24 hours a day Christmas shoutcast playing in the living room
00:27:49  <io]nowhere> wow 12 years
00:27:55  <io]nowhere> how old is IRC anyway :) ?
00:27:55  <glx> anyway your typing is still understandable so it's not a problem
00:28:00  <Brianetta> io: Older still
00:28:14  <Brianetta> I began using IRC in October 1994
00:28:15  <io]nowhere> 20-30 years?
00:28:23  <Brianetta> I think it's less than 20
00:28:30  <Brianetta> not sure
00:28:32  * Brianetta checks
00:28:51  <io]nowhere> 1988
00:28:56  <mikk36> IRC was created by Jarkko Oikarinen (nickname "WiZ") in late August 1988 to replace a program called MUT (MultiUser talk) on a BBS called OuluBox in Finland. Oikarinen found inspiration in Bitnet Relay Chat which operated on the Bitnet network.
00:29:01  <mikk36> yup
00:29:09  <Brianetta> Sounds right
00:29:14  <Brianetta> Back then it had only channel numbers
00:29:20  <Brianetta> /join 1
00:29:23  <Brianetta> /join 456
00:29:24  <Brianetta> etc
00:29:31  <Brianetta> and /join 0 parted all channels
00:29:34  <Brianetta> in fact, it still does
00:29:59  <Brianetta> although if you're in irssi, which automatically puts a # on channels you join, you need to /quote join 0
00:30:12  <io]nowhere> interesting
00:30:25  <Mikachu> isn't there some trick where you type something like /join 2,000 ?
00:30:31  <io]nowhere> well I was only a little baby when IRC got created :)
00:30:31  <Brianetta> yeah
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00:30:38  <Brianetta> /join #version_1,0
00:30:45  <mikk36> io]nowhere, same here :P
00:30:47  <Mikachu> there are some channels on freenode that automatically gline you too :)
00:30:49  <mikk36> 1 year old
00:31:07  <Brianetta> Freenode sucks, though
00:31:12  <Brianetta> I boycott it
00:31:19  <Brianetta> even though there are useful channels on there
00:31:19  <Mikachu> i try to stay neutral in that issue :)
00:31:19  <io]nowhere> the owner died
00:31:22  <io]nowhere> few month ago
00:31:31  <Brianetta> Lilo died?
00:31:34  <Mikachu> yeah
00:31:37  <Brianetta> Rob Levin?
00:31:37  <mikk36> woot
00:31:39  <Mikachu> bicycle hit by car i think
00:31:42  <io]nowhere> yes he had an accident
00:31:42  <glx> hit by a car
00:31:49  <Brianetta> Good riddance.  Malingering layabout professional begger that he was.
00:31:58  <Brianetta> Nobody here's related to him, are they?  /-:
00:32:06  <mikk36> lol no
00:32:26  * Brianetta read Levin's Wikipedia page
00:32:27  <io]nowhere> openttd switched to oftc for problems with freenode right?
00:32:32  <Brianetta> io: yeah
00:32:41  <Mikachu> netsplits?
00:32:54  <Mikachu> it feels like they're about as common on oftc as freenode
00:33:08  <glx> Bjarni get kicked for flood 3 times while he was idling
00:33:17  <Mikachu> neat
00:34:07  <io]nowhere> quakenet used to have netsplits almost every day :)
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00:35:55  <mikk36> sometimes it has 10 in once
00:35:58  <mikk36> one*
00:38:08  <io]nowhere> glx: the thing shows up again
00:40:45  <io]nowhere> i'm going to put on a smaller map
00:41:01  <Brianetta> have a Rob Levin article, which is humerous, not work safe, and not for kids.
00:41:10  <Brianetta> humorous, too
00:42:45  <glx> io]nowhere: downloading is much faster now :)
00:46:57  <io]nowhere> yeah smaller map
00:49:29  <Sacro> ahh, sugababes, digestives and php
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00:49:55  <Sacro> roffle at the first line of the rob levin page
00:50:11  <Brianetta> (:
00:50:16  <mikk36> Brianetta
00:50:17  <mikk36> set admin_page_body
00:50:22  <mikk36> that ' is ok there ?
00:50:24  <Brianetta> They didn't like him when he was alive
00:50:36  <mikk36> my ultraedit shows everything after that in gray
00:50:36  <Brianetta> mikk36: Yes
00:50:43  <mikk36> grey*
00:50:47  <Brianetta> Yeah, it just doesn't do Tcl too well
00:50:57  <Brianetta> vim has trouble with it, too
00:50:58  <mikk36> k
00:51:44  <Sacro> yay for ultraedit
00:51:47  <jotham_> too bad utorrent was bought by bittorrent
00:51:48  <jotham_> utorrent was a nice app
00:51:51  <jotham_>
00:51:53  * jotham_ sheds a tear
00:51:57  <Sacro> jotham_: orly?
00:52:13  <Sacro> i love mutorrent
00:52:15  <jotham_> ultraedit is inferior to windows installed scite :)
00:52:19  <Sacro> except it winges about my nvfirewall
00:52:20  <jotham_> i used to use ultraedit
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00:52:35  <jotham_> the only feature i miss from ultraedit that scite doesn't have is hex mode editing
00:52:42  <jotham_> but otherwise scite is perfect
00:53:16  <jotham_> and its free
00:53:28  <jotham_> win >
00:54:26  <jotham_> wonder how hard it'd be to write a hex editor filter for it
00:54:46  <mikk36> jotham_, scite has ftp accounts ?
00:55:00  <jotham_> no - it's just a text editor
00:55:09  <mikk36> too bad then :P
00:55:13  <jotham_> i just use ftpfs for that though
00:55:18  <jotham_> on macos and winxp
00:55:30  <jotham_> though i guess it's web-folders not ftpfs in windows
00:55:34  <mikk36> still aint the same
00:56:08  <jotham_> i guess i want to leave transfer jobs to the OS and file editing to the file editor
00:56:25  <mikk36> ue does it in the background
00:56:28  <jotham_> that makes me a vim guy not an emacs guy :)
00:56:38  <jotham_> yeah i said i used to use ultraedit
00:56:56  <mikk36> :)
00:57:58  <jotham_> so vim uses xxd to transform the data, i wonder if you can do that with scite
01:01:05  <jotham_> there you go, someone in 2003 addressed the very issue of UE/Scite
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01:40:33  <Mikachu> i don't know if anyone here is able to change it, but the svn link on is wrong, it should be "branches"
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01:46:20  <Belugas_Gone> Mikachu, branch was the right designation at the time.
01:46:32  <Mikachu> i guessed that, but it's wrong now
01:46:37  <Belugas_Gone> it was a bit afterward that DV changed branch to branches
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01:49:23  <Belugas_Gone> well yes, maybe... but the only who can is richk67, and i don't see him round quite oftenly, these days
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02:25:20  <CIA-1> belugas * r7432 /trunk/station_gui.c: -Fix(r7413) : The NO(cargo waiting) button of the StationList Window is now part of the cargo selection scheme. Again.
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02:44:19  <io]nowhere>
02:44:31  <io]nowhere> what do you mean by "very unstable"? Only slow? Or crashing on you?
02:44:45  <io]nowhere> I never experienced such a thing on any server, is the article outdated?
02:51:08  <Ailure> I only heard about slowdowns
02:51:13  <Ailure> and that's in extreme cases
02:53:46  <io]nowhere> maybe it improves with the size?
02:53:58  <io]nowhere> i have it on 14 now, on my serser, seems to be fine
02:54:12  <io]nowhere> and many others have like 21 or something, all goes fine
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02:58:03  <Tggtt> is the tree planting bug known? I cannot find it within the docs
02:58:46  <Tggtt> fortunatelly its a minor bug
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03:33:01  <DannyA> Hi all, io]nowhere, My understanding is that if you're using yapf pathfinder a large station spread it is stable and just as quick as a small spread. I've used 64 for all my games and it's worked perfectly with noticable difference. I think trains could get lost with the original pathfinder, and npf may be ok, but cpu bad. I think it would be a better idea to put warning for using the outdated pathfinders, since that seems to be the major source of proble
03:34:18  <DannyA> That was ment to say no noticable difference :)
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04:45:42  <Smoky555> morning :)
04:46:23  <Smoky555> who can help me with newgrf?
04:59:07  <DaleStan> Smoky555: Your nick is a pretty accurate description of the current state of my crystal ball. Care to ask a real question?
05:01:11  <Smoky555> ok
05:03:40  <Smoky555> does newgrf support UTF8 names of vehicles? NFO file has names of vehicles in CP1251 codepage (russian charset), from the time, when UTF8 merged with trunk, this names are corrupted, when i change names to UTF, grfcodec compile this files, but names are still corrupted ...
05:04:27  <DaleStan> Is the first character of the name a UTF-8 encoded capital thorn?
05:08:31  <Smoky555> yes
05:08:57  <DaleStan> NewGRF supports UTF-8 encoding in all strings. If Open doesn't display such strings properly (and you are flagging the string as UTF-8 by prepending it with a capital thorn (C3 9E)), then that's a bug in Open, and you need to feed the GRF to the appropriate person/people.
05:11:10  <DaleStan> Running the NFO through NFORenum might also be a good idea, but that won't prove that the NFO is valid, just that it isn't obviously invalid.
05:13:41  <Smoky555> can you give me a small example of UTF8 grf file with non-english characters or link to the page, where this explain?
05:16:05  <DaleStan> Sprite 27 in the Planeset contains three strings with UTF-8 encoded Russian characters:
05:16:06  <DaleStan>    27 * 71	 04 03 9F 03 28 D0
05:16:06  <DaleStan> C3 9E " (" D0 90 D1 8D D1 80 D0 BE D1 84 D0 BB C3 B3 D1 82 ")" 00
05:16:06  <DaleStan> C3 9E " (" D0 9F D0 BE D0 BB D0 B5 D1 82 ")" 00
05:16:06  <DaleStan> C3 9E " (" D0 92 D0 BE D0 BB D0 B3 D0 B0 "-" D0 94 D0 BD D0 B5 D0 BF D1 80 ")" 00
05:16:58  <Smoky555> i see ...
05:17:37  <Smoky555> thanks :)
05:17:55  <DaleStan> Assuming my UTF-8-fu is good, this should be
05:17:56  <DaleStan> Þ( ??????ó?)
05:17:56  <DaleStan> Þ (?????)
05:17:56  <DaleStan> Þ (?????-?????)
05:18:53  <DaleStan> And the displayed strings are everything except the thorn.
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05:58:40  <Ailure>,%202%20nov%201934.png
05:58:43  <Ailure> I just love the timing here
06:00:03  <Ailure>,%2026%20maj%201923.png
06:00:15  <Ailure> Or why I should either turn on the new AI
06:00:19  <Ailure> or forgot about it altogether
06:00:30  <DannyA> Ailure, is that one of the disasters comming?
06:00:34  <Ailure> intresting choice of building too
06:00:36  <Ailure> yeah it is
06:00:43  <Ailure> the black zeppelin is a disaster
06:00:46  <Ailure> the white is owned by me XD
06:00:57  <Ailure> and is technically a slow helicopter
06:01:08  <Ailure> with somewhat higher capacity
06:01:10  <Ailure> but slower
06:01:23  <DannyA> Yeah, I guess he would be wishin he was somewhere else... :)
06:01:53  <DannyA> That coal station's pretty cool. What grf is that from?
06:02:28  <Ailure> some set called "Industrial station" or something
06:02:35  <Ailure> on grfcrawler
06:02:41  <Ailure> if I had to choose one station set I needed
06:02:43  <Ailure> it would be that one
06:02:53  <Ailure> nothing wrong with the orginal stations, but they look odd next to industries
06:02:57  <DannyA> Ok, I think I'll have to check it out, thanks.
06:04:13  <Ailure> I had similar things
06:04:18  <Ailure> happening with airplanes too
06:04:24  <Ailure> airplanes landing as a zeppelin crashes
06:04:40  <Ailure> Zeppelins can crash on a city airport as well
06:04:46  <Ailure> though that rarely happens
06:05:02  <Ailure> due to the disaster almost being outdated by then
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06:07:44  <io]nowhere> nice
06:09:00  <Ailure> I really like how that town also have a
06:09:02  <Ailure> hospital
06:09:09  <Ailure> Catherdral
06:09:12  <Ailure> and a Church
06:09:14  <Ailure> :)
06:09:20  <Ailure> And there's no other towns nearby!
06:09:21  <io]nowhere> i play to take a domain for my house of train server, any idea's?
06:09:40  <io]nowhere> -plan-
06:09:45  <Ailure> and the the town it was connected to
06:09:52  <Ailure> consistied of a stock exchange and a hospital...
06:10:37  <io]nowhere> sounds healthy
06:11:23  <Ailure> I assume that the rest of the population
06:11:32  <Ailure> is either sick, part of the church or homeless xD
06:13:31  <io]nowhere> or all other houses got destroyed by crashing zeppelin
06:13:50  <Ailure> funny
06:13:57  <Ailure> all vehicles that is part of a disaster
06:13:58  <Ailure> is black
06:14:16  <io]nowhere> oh my? Conspiracy?
06:14:43  <io]nowhere> btw the ufo's arent't
06:15:07  <io]nowhere> or are they objects instead of vehicles?
06:17:31  <DannyA> hehe, I like that about the towns too. One house and one huge sports stadium, then open road... :)
06:40:18  <DannyA> Are there any save games about which are used for testing that I could get hold of?
06:41:04  <DannyA> With things like all the combinations of tracks, slopes, heights etc in some ordered fashon.
06:43:15  <Ailure> There's two types of Ufo's in the game
06:43:22  <Ailure> for some really oddball reason
06:43:36  <Ailure> the early one looking like how people thought Ufo's looked in the 50's :P
06:43:42  <Ailure> while the later one looks more... modern
06:44:04  <Ailure> also the modern UFO's tends to land at the same location I noticed
06:44:06  <Ailure> in some of my networks
06:44:08  <Ailure> which is annoying
06:50:38  <DaleStan> Ailure: The large UFO will nearly always (if not absolutely always) land on a human player's railroad track.
06:51:16  <Ailure> That's kind of obvious
06:51:26  <Ailure> and even if the explosion is within the radius of a AI railway
06:51:32  <Ailure> it isn't destroyed
06:51:37  <Ailure> town buildings are however
06:52:14  <io]nowhere> with orders, is there a difference between transfer and leave emtpy and unload?
06:53:33  <Ailure> I belive it would also calculate a "profit" for the vehicle when it does "transfer and leave empty"
06:53:38  <Ailure> while unload dosen't
06:53:46  <io]nowhere> that's what I thought as well
06:53:53  <io]nowhere> but it seems to do that with unload fine
06:53:57  <Ailure> really?
06:54:00  <Ailure> heh then I have no idea
06:54:05  <Ailure> it used to not do that with unload
06:54:09  <io]nowhere> the only difference is that with transfer a money thing pops up out of the station :)
06:54:19  <Ailure> that's the calculated profit I talk about
06:54:20  <Ailure> <<
06:56:35  <io]nowhere> i know
06:57:50  <io]nowhere> so there is no difference? I tried looking at the manual and openttd forums but couldn't find
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07:38:21  <Celestar> morning
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07:58:43  <blathijs> ey Celestar
08:01:23  <Nigel> evening
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08:14:23  <peter1138> Darkvater: Manage list tooltip: "Select sorting criteria"
08:29:33  <peter1138> boo, desyncs
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09:08:11  <peter1138> stupid ms
09:08:18  <peter1138> edit -> advanced -> word wrap
09:08:29  <peter1138> 1) it's not advanced 2) it's line wrap not word wrap
09:10:14  <Celestar> lol
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09:44:22  <Darkvater> morning
09:44:31  <peter1138> hi hi
09:44:32  <Darkvater> peter1138: ah, heh...
09:51:23  <peter1138> hee, this is fun
09:51:41  <peter1138> although stopping at stations is awkward
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09:52:12  <Darkvater> peter1138: the new braking forumla?
09:53:45  <peter1138> no, manual control
09:53:51  <Darkvater> he
09:55:23  <Darkvater> hmm what shall STR_MANAGE_LIST_TIP say?
09:55:43  <peter1138> Select sorting criteria
09:55:47  <peter1138> just to be confusing
09:56:42  <Darkvater> ;o
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10:24:40  <Danny> howdy
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10:32:53  <peter1138> hmm
10:43:20  <Brianetta> doody
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11:07:13  <Wolf01> ello
11:07:31  <Danny> Hey, Can I use that TIC TOC to see how many time a function runs? I can't get anthing to display in console with it.
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11:16:45  <lolman> Morning :)
11:17:10  <Danny> howdy
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11:20:48  <Brianetta> doody
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11:23:23  <Darkvater> Brianetta: you're good, tell me, what should the tooltip say for 'Manage list' in the vehicle list window? :)
11:24:07  <Brianetta> "Send instructions to all vehicles in this list"
11:24:54  <Darkvater> oh, /me likes that
11:32:49  <Danny> Darkvater: Can you please tell me how I can use those Tic Toc macros?
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11:48:40  <peter1138> seems win98/me users are having issues...
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12:22:34  <Darkvater> Danny: easy..find what you want to benchmark
12:22:49  <Darkvater> Danny: put TIC() before and TIC("name", iterations) after
12:23:12  <Darkvater> name is just for debugging and iterations is after how many iterations to print out the elapsed time (total+average)
12:23:15  <Darkvater> peter1138: they do?
12:25:25  <peter1138> no actual bug reports, of course
12:25:29  <peter1138> just stupid forum posts
12:26:02  <Darkvater> ah, let's see
12:26:05  <Darkvater> got a link?
12:27:27  <Darkvater> Danny: see train_cmd.c:2309
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12:31:40  <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7433 /trunk/economy.c: -Fix (r2301): Town ratings were not reset when a company went bankrupt.
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12:58:30  <roboboy^> gnight
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13:15:20  <LaPingvino> hello!
13:15:44  <LaPingvino> Can anyone send me a not-outdated strgen.exe?
13:16:17  <LaPingvino>
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13:17:35  <LaPingvino> anyone here?
13:18:05  <Darkvater> mr esparanto :)
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13:19:17  <LaPingvino> yes, it's me
13:19:31  <Darkvater> don't have one though; no windows atm
13:19:38  <LaPingvino> :S
13:20:18  <LaPingvino> please contact me if you know any... :P
13:20:36  <Darkvater> anyone with windows and a compiled openttd will have one
13:20:45  <LaPingvino> i really want to get a working esperanto.lng, that's why...
13:20:53  <Darkvater> ooh
13:20:59  <Darkvater> you don't need strgen fort hat :)
13:21:03  <LaPingvino> yes, but it's not in the nightlies...
13:21:08  <LaPingvino> oh okay
13:21:20  <LaPingvino> where will i find it though?
13:22:13  <Darkvater> LaPingvino:
13:22:43  <LaPingvino> next time spell it correct...
13:22:51  <LaPingvino> espEranto.lng ...
13:23:52  <LaPingvino> doesn't work with the nightly, seemingly
13:23:56  <Darkvater> LaPingvino:
13:24:07  <Darkvater> what rev is nightly?
13:24:19  <LaPingvino> for r4725
13:24:31  <LaPingvino> do i need to update?
13:25:29  <Darkvater> thee, refetch
13:25:49  <LaPingvino> download again?
13:26:12  <Darkvater> yes
13:26:51  <LaPingvino> still doesn't work...
13:27:14  <Darkvater> hmm strange
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13:30:41  <Danny> Darkvater, Thanks, that's got it. Ironically, I was trying to use it in the same file about 500 lines below to find out how often CheckTrainCollision() :)
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13:48:13  <hylje> lol
13:48:54  <lolmanx> Least I'm logged into IRC at home still :P
13:51:30  <LadyHawk> hmhm theres a bug in the nightly.. gonna update to latest one and see if it's still in there..
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14:02:02  <mikk36> Brianetta, any ideas how i could set priority of autopiloted openttd automatically to above normal ?
14:04:51  <Danny> mikk36, do you mean the priority of the process?
14:05:32  <Darkvater> peter1138: you're right...all moaning about win9x and each and every one fails to read the annoncement on
14:05:36  <Darkvater> bah
14:05:37  <Darkvater> users
14:05:37  <Darkvater>  even
14:05:40  <Darkvater> uses
14:06:12  <hylje> :o
14:06:26  <peter1138> :)
14:06:35  <peter1138> you expect people to... read?
14:06:41  <mikk36> yes, Danny
14:06:52  <hylje> read? wuts that?
14:06:59  <Darkvater> well that might be a bit too much yeah
14:07:04  <mikk36> without autopilot it was easy, start /abovenormal openttd.exe
14:07:24  <hylje> mikk36: you might need to patch autopilot
14:07:33  <mikk36> edit u mean :)
14:07:49  <hylje> mikk36: it's called patching in this sense
14:07:52  <mikk36> add some stuff to launching ottd
14:07:54  <Danny> If you have .net2 runtime, I did a ProcessWatchdog tray app which you put in the name of the process & priority you want, and if it fires up it will set the priority. Be any good?
14:08:34  <mikk36> Danny, would be better if it's set on startup automatically
14:08:43  <LadyHawk> the buggy is still in the nightly
14:08:46  <mikk36> though, i have net2 there
14:09:14  <Danny> I'm sure you can do that with a regular command - I'll just have a quick look.
14:09:24  <LadyHawk> an industry closes.. then after a period of time they try to close that same industry again but the news flash shows the top left corner of the map
14:09:24  <Danny> Probably task or something
14:09:31  <mikk36> Danny, regular command.. but it has to be in tcl :P
14:09:41  <mikk36> cause autopilot is written in tcl as u know
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14:10:40  <Danny> You got me confused now. I was talking about the process prioity set by the OS. Don't know what tcl is.
14:11:17  <mikk36> what did u mean by this then ? (16:08:31) (Danny) I'm sure you can do that with a regular command - I'll just have a quick look.
14:12:10  <LadyHawk> now im being spammed with industry is gonna close messages from industries that dont exist anymore
14:12:56  <Danny> From windows, there would be a command which you pass the exe or what ever you want to run, as well as a priority and it would start it at that priority. Could be put in a script.
14:13:37  <Brianetta> mikk36: start /abovenormal tclsh autopilot
14:13:51  <Brianetta> mikk36: start /abovenormal tclsh autopilot.tcl
14:14:06  <Danny> That's the one
14:16:42  <Mikachu> does transporting goods from a raw industry increase their production over time, or am i just very lucky?
14:16:54  <LadyHawk> i think ur lucky
14:17:29  <Mikachu> all the ones i'm transporting are at 300 or more, while all others (which is the majority) are much lower
14:18:02  <LadyHawk> i just stopped playing a game where all my raw industries were running at like the lowest possible before closing
14:18:03  <LadyHawk> lol
14:18:37  <Mikachu> heh, okay
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14:20:26  <mikk36> Brianetta, it will set abovenrormal to openttd too then ?
14:23:07  <Brianetta> yes
14:23:29  <Brianetta> child processes use the same priority
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14:26:19  <mikk36> k
14:29:28  <HMage> how do you say in english this - 1 tonn, 2 tonns, 3 tonns?
14:29:44  <mikk36> 1 ton
14:29:46  <mikk36> 2 tons
14:30:13  <mikk36> with 1 n
14:30:19  <HMage> eek, so the plural type would screw up russian.. We say 1 tonn, 2 tonn, 3 tonn, 8 tonn, etc. No suffix added at all!
14:30:31  <mikk36> i know:P
14:30:56  <mikk36> well, i'd say estonian is even worse
14:31:17  <mikk36> we have so many cases :P
14:31:20  <mikk36> 14 to be exact
14:31:40  <mikk36> and a whole lot of exceptions
14:31:55  <mikk36> so u really have to twist the language, to make it look a bit more ok
14:31:55  <HMage> I hope there's a way to overcome this
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14:32:21  <HMage> cause "8 tonnov of grain" would look _very_ weird
14:32:30  <glx> HMage: plural forms must be handled by translators
14:32:47  <HMage> ah, so they can choose to use it or not?
14:32:58  <HMage> per line?
14:33:30  <glx>
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14:34:28  <Digitalfox> TTRS-3 is Out, and i tried it with the branch newhouses build... Got a lot of black spot's instead of buildings and crashes everytime i tried to use land area information..
14:36:16  <Digitalfox> here's the link for the new totat town replacement v3 final:
14:37:06  <hylje> theres a reason why it's still a branch
14:39:02  <Digitalfox> ok, but i'm just informing that it doesn't work 70%
14:39:30  <Digitalfox> but what works is amazing..
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14:51:06  <Belugas> thanks Digitalfox
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14:51:22  <Belugas> one question, you only had ttrs3 as loaded grf?
14:51:40  <Brianetta> Let me point out that a metric tonne is not the same spelling as an imperial ton
14:52:03  <Brianetta> unless you're American, in which case you have to use an adjective if you don't want to crash your Mars probes
14:53:31  <LadyHawk> lol
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14:55:28  <HMage> my lingvo vocabulary translates both as same
14:55:52  <HMage> the adjective is used to specify which is which
14:56:22  <Brianetta> In the UK, the difference is explicit
14:56:29  <Brianetta> tonne is metric, 1000kg
14:56:31  <peter1138> indeed
14:56:35  <Brianetta> ton is some weird thing
14:56:46  <hylje> imperial tons
14:56:47  <hylje> yay
14:57:16  <HMage> &
14:58:18  <HMage> from french 'ton' translates as 'yours' :)
14:58:50  <Mikachu> glx: the issue i think is that some languages have more than one plural form
14:59:05  <peter1138> we support that
14:59:49  <peter1138>
14:59:51  <peter1138> we support that
15:00:19  <peter1138> specifically the list that starts about half way down
15:00:31  <peter1138> (though we don't use gettext, heh)
15:00:38  <HMage> why I raised this discussion because I believed that the plural form is done automatically, and since russian has lots of exceptions (ton in russian isn't modified and has only one plural form) I thought I would like to point that out.
15:00:59  <peter1138> well
15:01:04  <peter1138> Three forms, special cases for numbers ending in 1 and 2, 3, 4, except those ending in 1[1-4]
15:01:10  <peter1138> Languages with this property include:
15:01:10  <peter1138> Slavic family
15:01:10  <peter1138> Croatian, Czech, Russian, Slovak, Ukrainian
15:01:18  <peter1138> however
15:01:28  <HMage> that's correct. 1 train, 2 trains, 3 trainov, etc. But NOT 1 tonn, 2 tonns, 3 tonnov.
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15:01:31  <peter1138> yes
15:01:41  <peter1138> HMage: that's easily solved
15:01:41  <Mikachu> in japanese, the name of the number depends on what you're counting, but fortunately not when writing :)
15:01:50  <LaPingvino> you can choose it for every word in wt2
15:01:53  <HMage> I thought it wasn't possible to solve that, I was corrected by glx quite quickly.
15:01:56  <peter1138> as the plurals are specified by the translator, just don't put one
15:02:19  <peter1138> (if that doesn't work, i.e. it thinks it needs one, use {P "" "" ""} i guess)
15:02:31  <peter1138> ok :)
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15:05:02  <Digitalfox> belugas.. Yes i have loaded ttrs 3 as grf
15:05:29  <glx> and only this one ?
15:05:32  <Digitalfox> and only ttrs3
15:05:41  <Digitalfox> no more grf's
15:05:54  <glx> that's an important point for newhouses devs :)
15:07:05  <Digitalfox> it's was a clean instalation of openttd with only the nightly of newhouses, nothing more, and ttrs3 loaded
15:07:19  <Belugas> indeed. thanks.  noted.
15:07:50  <Digitalfox> if you need any help with bug's report's feel free to ask.. Just want to help..
15:13:52  * HMage once had a badge on his chest that said "If you want me to find a bug in your software, just ask."
15:16:38  <peter1138> indeed
15:16:56  <peter1138> loads of people assume it's already known...
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15:32:36  <Belugas> Digitalfox, maybe you could post it on the forum, i saw it was not there...
15:33:32  <Digitalfox> ok
15:33:39  <Digitalfox> will do it
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15:40:30  <Brianetta> bumbeddybump
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15:45:47  <Danny> This might interest some: Running the pile transport 1000+ trains calls YapfChooseRailTrack() ~5 times / frame and VehicleFromPos() ~2700 times / frame @50%cpu.  png here:
15:47:58  <KUDr_wrk> nice
15:48:17  <KUDr_wrk> so you can use use it it looks
15:50:39  <Danny> Yeah I reckon. The big test will be when the button to send all trains to depots is hit.
15:51:17  <peter1138> heh
15:51:46  <Brianetta> teh powar
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16:14:19  <LadyHawk> what use does that 'send all trains to depots' botton have? i clicked it once but found it highly annoying actually lol
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16:18:12  <Danny> Yeah I haven't used it yet, but perhaps if you have to upgrade a lot of trains?
16:18:16  <Mikachu> it's more useful for more specific lists, like all that share an order set or go to a specific station
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16:18:28  <Mikachu> but it's not so useful for the all trains dialog
16:18:33  <Danny> Ah yep that makes sense.
16:18:36  <peter1138> still, at least it's been moved now
16:19:24  <glx> peter1138: ?
16:19:41  <Danny> Those new houses are sweet! That was one things I got bored of quickest - all the houses being the same.
16:20:06  <Digitalfox> I've posted in tt forums topic newhouses branch the problems it's giving..
16:20:51  <Danny> Yeah I just saw that. I could put up with a few black patches for some new houses I reckon :)
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16:22:11  <Digitalfox> ok.. I guess it's not recognizing the new buildings that the ttrs-3 adds to the original ones.. I mean it changes the ones aready existing, but not adds the new ones..
16:23:30  <peter1138> probably ought to let the devs investiage ;p
16:23:33  <peter1138> *gate
16:23:45  <Danny> Ah bugger. Ah well, still better than before. The newgrf - can they add more or is it a limitation of the map format?
16:23:51  <peter1138> all newhouses are new buildings
16:24:39  <Danny> So normally you have like 10 buildings, but with newhouses there are 50 or something?
16:24:41  <peter1138> as ttrs3 has only just been made available, no testing had been done with it
16:25:05  <peter1138> the limit is increased, yes
16:26:56  <Digitalfox> i must say that even with the black squares and some buildings don't update to the new ones, it's prety cool
16:27:11  <Digitalfox> it just gives new live to ttd
16:27:25  <Digitalfox> live = life :)
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16:30:50  <Danny> What would be really neat was if there was some sort of animation of a building going down when you dynamite them.
16:31:11  <Brianetta> UKRS gives new life.  Without a GRF like that, you don't get to experience the joys of wagon speed limits.
16:31:24  <peter1138> like
16:32:06  <Brianetta> peter1138: Are you coming to Birmingham in June?
16:32:10  <Digitalfox> yes peter, but i supose when newhouses branch is properly working it will give that animations also, like the patch right?
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16:45:09  <Belugas> Digitalfox, the idea is to use same mechanism as patch, since NFO is an "open format".  So i think that already some animations are available.
16:45:18  <Belugas> if it is not the case, we'll have to adjust to it
16:47:41  <Digitalfox> ok.. :)
16:47:55  * Brianetta is bored
16:47:56  <Brianetta> BORED
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16:48:09  <Brianetta>  B O R E D  I tell you
16:48:13  <Brianetta> Entertain me
16:48:20  <Mikachu> are you saying that you are bored?
16:48:24  <Brianetta> I'm stuck in the office
16:48:28  <Mikachu> i think there is some ambiguity
16:48:38  <Brianetta> It's Friday evening and I hava couple of hours flexi to make back up
16:48:50  <Brianetta> so here I am
16:48:51  <Brianetta> in the office
16:48:56  <Brianetta> with only IRC to keep me company
16:48:58  <Mikachu> working
16:49:03  <Brianetta> working?
16:49:05  <Brianetta> It's Friday
16:49:13  <Brianetta> I work for local government
16:49:21  <Mikachu> when they invented flex time, i don't think they really thought it through
16:49:30  <Brianetta> They so didn't
16:49:47  <Brianetta> It's a recipe for 10:30 starts then long IRC sessions in the evening
16:50:25  <Sacro> Brianetta: are you still open?
16:50:32  <Brianetta> open?
16:50:37  <Brianetta> I'm always open
16:50:39  <Sacro> dont you work for connexions?
16:50:42  <Brianetta> Oh, yeah
16:50:50  <Brianetta> Most Connexions are private businesses
16:50:57  <Brianetta> In fact, all but two are
16:51:03  <Brianetta> and there are over 50
16:51:09  <Sacro> hmm, ive been in 2
16:51:22  <Brianetta> 2 offices, or two different Connexions partnershiops?
16:51:29  <Brianetta> We have 10 offices
16:51:34  <Brianetta> for Tyne and Wear
16:52:29  <Brianetta> but venture past out Houghton-le-Spring office, the next one is Chester-le-Street which is owned by Connexions Durham Ltd.
16:52:37  <Brianetta> We don't talk to them.
16:52:48  <Brianetta> We like to pretend that they don't exist.
16:52:59  <Mikachu> that must confuse people who come in to ask about them
16:52:59  * Belugas would love to be bored... way too much "excitment" in here :( like WORK and WORK and WORK
16:53:14  <Brianetta> Mikachu: It's like Subway
16:53:27  <Brianetta> They're all privately owned, with a franchise for the branding only
16:53:53  <Brianetta> They sell the same sandwiches, and look the same, but they're all run by different companies.
16:54:14  <Brianetta> Connexions provides the same services, but they're all separate.
16:54:26  <Brianetta> Now, imagine a Subway which was owned by the local council.
16:54:33  <Sacro> Brianetta: dunno... just the one in Hull and one in Beverley
16:54:33  <Brianetta> You couldn't tell, and you wouldn't care.
16:54:53  <Brianetta> Sacro: Both Kingston, I believe
16:54:58  <Sacro> Brianetta: possibly
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16:56:26  <Sacro> aww, subwaybeverley got taken down
17:01:03  <Brianetta> nought point five!  nought point five!  nought point five!
17:01:11  * Brianetta waves pom-poms
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17:06:24  <lolman> Oh Noes
17:07:31  * lolman will be going to install Arch in a few minutes
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17:10:17  <lolman> Sacro, ping?
17:13:55  <Sacro> lolman: pongs
17:14:07  <Sacro> ooh, another Archer
17:14:39  <lolman> Sacro, where's that FTP ISO that doesn't have the bootloader issues?
17:15:05  <Sacro>
17:15:20  <Danny> What are you backing up Brianetta?
17:15:23  <lolman> Thanks :)
17:15:38  <Sacro> lolman: arch is really nice once you get it configured
17:16:06  <lolman> Sacro, main aim atm is to get rid of the bloated feel that Ubuntu is giving me
17:16:29  <Brianetta> Danny?
17:16:43  <Brianetta> I'm not backing anything up right now
17:16:59  <Sacro> lolman: ahh, Arch never feels bloated
17:17:19  <Danny> Opps. I read 'to make back up' wrong... :)
17:17:31  <Brianetta> Flexi time.
17:18:32  <lolman> Sacro, well 2 aims actually: 1. Get wireless working, 2. Have a quick running distro :P
17:18:39  <Danny> Yep. Not some mission critical system which is likely to blow up or something...
17:18:44  <Sacro> lolman: you cant do ftp over wireless...
17:18:49  <Sacro> well you can, but its fun
17:19:06  <lolman> Sacro, I'm hooking it up to a cable for the install
17:19:17  <Sacro> lolman: ahh clever
17:19:26  <Sacro> just remember to pacman -S ndiswrapper-utils
17:19:30  <lolman> Yeah
17:20:02  <lolman> And if my experience with WPA is anything like it was in Ubuntu, I'll need network-manager-gnome too
17:20:09  <Sacro> gnome-network-manager
17:20:21  <Sacro> and i think its wpa_applicant
17:20:25  <lolman> Oops
17:20:33  <lolman> wpa_supplicant
17:21:06  <Sacro> lolman:
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17:21:52  <lolman> Thanks :)
17:22:30  <lolman> Oh bugger
17:22:50  <lolman> My dad only has 60-minute CDs designed for audio
17:22:53  <lolman> :-\
17:22:58  <Sacro> so?
17:23:03  <Sacro> ftp install is about 15MB
17:23:13  <lolman> Last time I burned data on them they were coasters
17:23:57  <Sacro> burn it slowly
17:24:07  <Sacro> or install from your ubuntu disc
17:24:08  <lolman> I am doing :P
17:24:39  <lolman> How do I do that then? (Install from ubuntu disc)
17:25:12  <Sacro>
17:25:27  <Sacro> on my laptop i have to do it from an archie disc, but ubuntu should work too
17:25:30  <Sacro> just use pacman.static
17:26:14  <lolman> I'll just burn slowly :)
17:26:20  <lolman> He has like 200 discs :P
17:26:41  <Sacro> heh
17:27:11  <lolman> Mirror is awfully slow :-\
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17:28:52  <lolman> landline's not working
17:29:10  <Sacro> :S
17:29:43  <lolman> Goes dead before it finished dialling even
17:29:44  <hylje> LANDLINE'S CLOSED
17:29:54  <lolman> I HAVE THE KE
17:29:55  <lolman> Y
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17:30:05  <Sacro> I HAVE THE SECRET
17:30:13  <blaine> hi there
17:30:19  <Sacro> hello blaine
17:30:25  <blaine> hmm wasnt this channel on some other network before?
17:30:28  <blaine> freenode, maybe?
17:30:29  <hylje> yes
17:30:32  <blaine> okay
17:30:35  <blaine> good :)
17:30:36  <lolman> blaine, ello, yeah it used to be on freenode
17:30:45  <blaine> havent been here in 2 years or so
17:30:45  <hylje> but then we decided freenode suxs
17:30:53  <blaine> thats a very good decision (=
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17:31:02  <Sacro> hylje: yeah, but then he died
17:31:26  <Sacro> and strangely all the loiterors are stil here
17:31:28  <blaine> well, i was wondering about something... i'm a bit out of touch with the openttd trix and skillz
17:31:36  <hylje> l33t
17:31:46  <blaine> i read on the site that diagonal railway crossings are possible now
17:31:55  <hylje> yes, at least in miniin
17:31:58  <blaine> but trying the latest nightly it didnt work
17:31:59  <Sacro> ahh you want l33t n1nj4 0p4nTTd skillz0rs
17:32:01  <hylje> dunno if its in mainline
17:32:07  <blaine> ah mini in .. in for INtegrated patches?
17:32:10  <hylje> y
17:32:16  <hylje> or integrated nightly
17:32:16  <Sacro> blaine: indeedily
17:32:20  <blaine> ah okay, thought the nightlies have them in
17:32:29  <Sacro> nope, just MiniIN
17:32:31  <Sacro> !seen richk
17:32:33  <_42_> Sacro, richk? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember richk.
17:32:40  <Sacro> !seen richk*
17:32:40  <_42_> Sacro, I found 3 matches to your query: RichK67_, RichK67, RichK67_wrk. RichK67_ (~RichK67@ was last seen quitting #openttd.tgp 5 weeks 5 days 18 hours 30 minutes ago (28.10. 23:02) stating "Quit: RichK67_" after spending 1 hour 56 minutes there.
17:32:52  <hylje> i think glx is kinda syncing miniin nowadays
17:32:53  <blaine> are sub companies integrated in miniIN?
17:32:57  <hylje> yes
17:33:01  <blaine> sweet
17:33:16  <blaine> guess bridges over diagonal tracks still not possible?
17:33:19  <glx> hylje: yes but I only sync :)
17:33:24  <hylje> bridge branch has it
17:33:27  <hylje> but its a branch
17:33:34  <Sacro> blaine: theres a patch in General OpenTTD that does it
17:33:36  <hylje> glx: thats what i said! :p
17:33:46  <blaine> hmm i see..
17:33:55  <blaine> Sacro: does it make trouble? sounds so if its branching?
17:34:03  <glx> I also commit bugfix in miniin but I won't add any patch in it
17:34:05  <Sacro> blaine: ineed it does create trouble
17:34:10  <hylje> it works
17:34:13  <hylje> but it isnt complete
17:34:17  <lolman> Burned :)
17:34:21  <Sacro> glx: how can we get new patches into MiniIN?
17:34:22  <lolman> brb checking it boots
17:34:33  <glx> Sacro: waut for richk
17:34:37  <glx> *wait
17:34:38  <blaine> k, well, i will wait some more for that then
17:34:56  <Sacro> glx: will he ever be back?
17:35:16  <glx> Sacro: dunno (anyway miniin is already a mess to sync :) )
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17:35:58  <blaine> and one more question before i leave you guys again... i read there is a new pathfinder. (yapf?) but if you use it, you can't use pbs. well, i kinda liked pbs, it is worth to switch to yapf?
17:36:12  <Sacro> peter1138:
17:36:25  <Sacro> blaine: depends on your cpu
17:37:02  <blaine> usually pentium 4 notebook about 2ghz
17:37:24  <hylje> pentium 4 NOTEBOOK?
17:37:29  <hylje> those are still around+
17:37:29  <blaine> pentium m
17:37:37  <blaine> shoot me with hardware
17:37:59  <blaine> but what does cost cpu resources, yapf?
17:38:32  <glx> npf cost much than yapf
17:38:49  <blaine> i never had any performance issues with openttd
17:39:00  <blaine> and i can say i had insane networks running, i think
17:39:08  <glx> anyway badly designed network and high number of trains is the bigger cpu eater
17:39:41  <blaine> usually the pathfinder (this is the stuff that makes train decide how to go to a station, right?) wasnt so important
17:40:03  <blaine> i usually have very clear networks that dont leave much choices
17:40:51  <CIA-1> miham * r7434 /trunk/lang/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:40:51  <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-12-08 18:40:00
17:40:51  <CIA-1> american - 1 fixed by WhiteRabbit (1)
17:40:51  <CIA-1> bulgarian - 5 fixed, 2 changed by groupsky (7)
17:40:51  <CIA-1> esperanto - 314 fixed, 31 changed by LaPingvino (345)
17:40:52  <CIA-1> french - 3 fixed, 5 changed by glx (8)
17:40:52  <CIA-1> italian - 7 fixed, 3 changed by sidew (10)
17:40:56  <Mikachu> it's funny a plane that takes 200 passengers only takes 60 fizzy drinks :)
17:41:29  <glx> low cost company :)
17:41:35  <blaine> hehe
17:41:46  <glx> not all passengers want to pay for fissy drinks :)
17:41:52  <glx> *fizzy
17:41:58  <blaine> what was that miniIN url, cant find it
17:42:24  <hylje> Mikachu: 60 crates of fizzy drinks
17:42:32  <Mikachu> it doesn't say "crates of" though
17:42:38  <glx> blaine:
17:42:49  <blaine> ah thx
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17:43:08  <blaine> sweet
17:46:22  <blaine> ty all, cya later (not a screen for this :)
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18:03:59  <MeusH> hello
18:04:07  <MeusH> its been a long time
18:04:07  <MeusH> huih
18:04:13  <hylje> helo
18:04:15  <hylje> :o
18:04:24  <hylje> ZOMG ITS MEUSH
18:04:41  <Sacro> ZOMG MEUSH
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18:05:16  <MeusH> \o/
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18:18:05  <DarkSSH> bah
18:18:12  <DarkSSH> my shell connection died
18:18:29  <SpComb> Logs:
18:18:29  <DarkSSH> !logs
18:18:44  * DarkSSH reads back on the last 3 hours
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18:28:11  <DarkSSH> 18:31:24 < peter1138> like
18:28:19  <DarkSSH> ok, that looks *very* disturbing
18:28:45  <DarkSSH> buildings don't even collapse that way, they go top-down, ala WTC-style when they get demolished
18:28:56  <DarkSSH> they don't fold sideways like a piece of paper
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18:32:19  <Sacro> err...
18:32:26  <Sacro> ive seen flats get imploded
18:32:30  <Sacro> they just go straight down
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18:32:55  <DarkSSH> they're supposed to gostraight down
18:33:05  <DarkSSH> anything else can be dangerous to bystanders
18:33:19  <Sacro> DarkSSH: yep
18:33:33  <Sacro> implode? i thought you said explode!
18:34:24  * DarkSSH looks up
18:34:30  * DarkSSH cannot see the word explode anywhere
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18:35:48  <Mikachu> i just had a silly idea, what if all planes circled airports at the same speed? (or at the speed of the slowest currently circling one)
18:36:20  <Sacro> simpsons quote
18:36:48  <hylje> :o
18:36:51  <DarkSSH> Mikachu:
18:37:12  <Mikachu> i know there is a patch for queues and stuff, it just seemed simpler this way, but i haven't thought it through yet :)
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18:37:39  <ln-> Wenn man ein Datum schreibt, soll man ein Punkt nach dem Monat benutzen? Also "8.12." oder "8.12"?
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18:40:46  <znikozc> who is ruusian translator?
18:45:25  <DarkSSH> donnu
18:45:32  <DarkSSH> hmm why dont' I still have access to WT?
18:46:01  <hylje> you arent worthy!
18:46:31  <izhirahider> where should the newgrf's I download be saved to in the directory tree?
18:46:38  <Mikachu> data/
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18:55:33  <peter1138> Darkvater: cos you've not asked for it? i dunno
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18:56:47  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7435 /trunk/ (lang/english.txt vehicle_gui.c): -Fix (r7418): Add proper tooltips to the manage list button instead of the sort tip
18:57:11  <DarkSSH> peter1138: yeah I always forget ;p
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18:59:37  <peter1138> hello kudr
18:59:38  <DarkSSH> hi KUDr_
18:59:47  <peter1138> have you mulched my yapf style patch yet? ;)
18:59:51  <KUDr_> hello
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19:00:53  <KUDr> peter1138: not mulched but i saw it
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19:01:15  <lolman> Well it boots :P
19:01:25  <peter1138> ~root :D
19:01:25  <hylje> don't irc as root
19:01:28  <KUDr> i would rather prefer to change coding style for C++
19:01:43  <peter1138> i don't see why it should be exempt
19:01:44  <hylje> i would rather recode ottd in python
19:01:48  <lolman> I'll set up a new user :)
19:02:26  <peter1138> function foo(int bar) {if (baz) {fred();sheila();jim();}}
19:02:30  <peter1138> isn't good style whatever language
19:02:50  <KUDr> ok, if you think so i give up
19:03:15  <hylje> hmm
19:03:34  <DarkSSH> hmm sheila()
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19:04:32  <peter1138> shiela, perhaps...
19:05:49  <lolman> brb
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19:06:16  <Sacro> hylje: what is wrong with irc'ing as root?
19:06:26  <hylje> you might get haxxored
19:06:31  <hylje> then you get root'd
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19:06:56  <lolman> There :)
19:07:14  <lolman> Sacro: ping?
19:07:27  <Sacro> lolman: ping timeout...
19:07:32  <lolman> lmao
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19:07:45  <lolman> How do you change which server pacman downloads from?
19:08:08  <Sacro> lolman: comment out some repos in /etc/pacman.d/current or whatever
19:08:13  <lolman> Okies :)
19:10:29  <peter1138> pacman.d ?
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19:11:03  <lolman> peter1138: arch's package manager
19:11:41  <izhirahider> Mikachu, thanks
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19:12:11  <lolman> ffs landline still not working
19:12:14  <lolman> :(
19:12:45  <Sacro> aww :(
19:12:50  <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7436 /trunk/newgrf.c: -Codechange: Add action7/9/D variable 0x9A (-1)
19:12:54  <lolman> I can't ring the chinese!
19:13:42  <DarkSSH> :O nightly-time ^
19:13:59  <lolman> :o
19:14:10  <peter1138> it's ten minutes after
19:14:18  <lolman> Sacro: does gnome-extra install gdm?
19:15:29  * lolman answers self: yes :P
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19:21:59  <Sacro> lolman: dunno
19:22:32  <lolman> Sacro: it did
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19:35:19  <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7437 /trunk/newgrf.c: -Fix (r4583): incorrect minimum size check in some cases for VarAction2
19:35:41  <izhirahider> that fix sounds about what I was going to report...
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19:36:12  <izhirahider> there is not enough room for some newgrf descriptions and they overlap the bottom buttons of the windows :)
19:36:44  <peter1138> totally different
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19:37:14  <izhirahider> ok, but can you confirm this glitch?
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19:38:25  <lolman> There, gnome set up :)
19:38:39  <Eddi|zuHause> <ln-> Wenn man ein Datum schreibt, soll man ein Punkt nach dem Monat benutzen? Also "8.12." oder "8.12"? <- Beides sind Ordnungszahlen (achter Tag im zwölften Monat), also beide mit Punkt.
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19:39:57  <Eddi|zuHause> (normalerweise auch mit leerzeichen, also "8. 12.")
19:40:54  <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: Ok, so ist es auch in Finnisch. (Aber normalerweise kein Leerzeichen.)
19:41:56  <Eddi|zuHause> Jahreszahl ohne Punkt, "8. 12. 2006"
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19:43:16  <ln-> Ich habe gefragt, weil ein deutsches Program (VDR, video disk rec) die "8.12" Format benutzt... Vielleicht könnte ich ein Patch machen.
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19:54:18  <lolman> Oh noes
19:54:30  <Sacro_> :S
19:54:31  <Sacro_> stupid pc
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19:54:43  <lolman> lol
19:54:51  * lolman is half way through configuring ndiswrapper
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19:57:47  <CIA-1> miham * r7438 /trunk/lang/hungarian.txt: [Translations] Manually transformed previously supressed hungarian chars to proper ones (they were previously suppressed because they did not fit into iso8859-15)
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20:00:25  <CIA-1> miham * r7439 /trunk/lang/ (catalan.txt hungarian.txt):
20:00:25  <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-12-08 20:59:37
20:00:25  <CIA-1> catalan - 1 fixed, 367 changed by arnaullv (368)
20:00:25  <CIA-1> hungarian - 1 fixed, 1 changed by miham (2)
20:08:20  <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7440 /branches/newhouses/newgrf.c:
20:08:20  <CIA-1> -Fix: When loading a string ID as a property, map it to the appropriate
20:08:20  <CIA-1> Action 4 string on load.
20:13:09  <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7441 /branches/newhouses/newgrf.c: -Fix (r7440): Typo...
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20:18:49  <lolman> nvidia drivers sorted :)
20:18:54  * lolman can relax now
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20:22:48  <Sacro> lolman: beryl-svn :D
20:22:59  <lolman> Sacro, gimme chance :P
20:23:07  <lolman> Still got to sort me sound out :-D
20:23:25  <Sacro> well any trouble, join #archlinux on freenode
20:23:34  <lolman> Can't forsee any
20:23:36  <lolman> :)
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20:30:24  <lolman> Need an ogg file to test lol
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20:34:11  <Sacro> lolman: oggenc /dev/urandom
20:34:28  <Sacro> oggenc /dev/urandom | oggdec | aplay
20:35:40  <lolman> Sacro, good idea :P
20:35:47  <Sacro> lolman: indeed
20:36:03  <lolman> Or it would be if I had speakers attached
20:36:24  <Sacro> lol
20:36:29  <lolman> Oh and what's the gstreamer mp3 package name? :(
20:36:38  <Sacro> errm...
20:36:43  <Sacro> pacman -Ss gstreamer
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20:37:05  <lolman> Got it, thanks :)
20:37:53  <lolman> Right, that's hardware support done :)
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20:38:03  <lolman> And music etc too :P
20:38:36  <lolman> Time for beryl methinks
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20:44:25  <lolman> brb :)
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20:44:26  <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7442 /branches/newhouses/ (newgrf.c newgrf_house.c table/town_land.h town.h): -Codechange: Add GRF parameter support for houses
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20:46:27  <lolman> It works :D
20:46:34  <Sacro> what does?
20:46:39  <lolman> Beryl
20:46:42  <lolman> First time :P
20:47:36  <peter1138> no beryl for ubuntu :(
20:47:49  <lolman> Yes there is, enable all yer repos :P
20:47:49  <peter1138> otoh
20:47:53  <peter1138> $ glxinfo
20:47:53  <peter1138> name of display: :0.0
20:47:53  <peter1138> Segmentation fault
20:47:56  <lolman> Ah
20:47:57  <peter1138> is not very helpful anyway
20:48:00  <lolman> Fecked up :P
20:48:10  <peter1138> "enable all yer repos"
20:48:12  <peter1138> well
20:48:17  <peter1138> i'd have to add them first
20:48:21  <lolman> peter, all the ubuntu ones :)
20:48:42  * Sacro has testing, unstable, and community
20:48:51  <lolman> Sacro, I just have unstable
20:49:35  <Sacro> lolman: hmm... not sure why i have testing
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20:49:37  <Sacro> oh, yeah, it was for firefox 2
20:49:43  <Sacro> and then i removed it again
20:49:46  <lolman> Sacro, ah
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21:07:50  * lolman for some reason can't get his sound working :o
21:08:08  <hylje> you're doing it wrong
21:08:16  <lolman> hylje, shh ;-)
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21:12:12  <CIA-1> peter1138 * r7443 /branches/newhouses/newgrf.c:
21:12:12  <CIA-1> [NewHouses] -Fix (r6871): Use HouseID instead of uint8. As HouseID is
21:12:12  <CIA-1> 16 bits, this fixes several issues with certain large building sets...
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21:15:38  <Sacro> oh noes
21:15:43  <hylje> :O
21:15:50  <lolman> Sound working ^_^
21:16:02  <Sacro> wooyay
21:16:19  <lolman> Just needed to chmod the items in /dev/snd
21:16:28  <lolman> (dunno why only root could access them)
21:16:42  <Sacro> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
21:16:50  <Sacro> that'll b0rk when you reboot anyway
21:16:53  <lolman> ? :o
21:17:00  <Sacro> useradd -aG sound $username
21:17:04  <Sacro> err... usermod even
21:17:33  <Sacro> /dev/snd should be root:audio
21:17:49  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:23:53  <lolman> Sacro, what do I need to do again?
21:24:17  <Sacro> usermod -aG sound $username
21:24:26  <lolman> As what user?
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21:27:39  <lolman> Sacro, erm, comes up with usage instructions
21:29:08  <hylje> aaawww
21:29:12  <hylje> pop-up potpourri!
21:29:39  <Sacro> lolman: well what do they tell you?
21:29:46  <Sacro> could be usermod -aG $username sound
21:30:09  <lolman> is $username meant to be a variable?
21:30:16  <lolman> :P
21:30:19  <hylje> echo $username
21:30:38  <lolman> ""
21:30:41  <lolman> Nowt
21:30:42  <lolman> lol
21:31:34  <lolman> $USER works
21:31:36  <lolman> :P
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21:33:23  <lolman> Will I need to reboot?
21:33:54  <Sacro> lolman: by $username, i meant add your username...
21:33:59  <Sacro> no, just logout and login
21:34:08  <lolman> Sacro, ah, well I did that anyway
21:34:09  <Sacro> actually, rebooting to reset udev might be a fine idea
21:34:13  <lolman> Okies
21:34:15  <lolman> BRB :)
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21:36:05  <lolman> No such luck :(
21:36:40  <lolman> Ah
21:36:44  <lolman> No
21:36:45  <lolman> lol
21:38:18  <Sacro> ?
21:38:27  <lolman> Not working lol
21:38:32  <Sacro> have you added alsa to the daemons array in rc.conf?
21:38:39  <Sacro> otherwise all your volumes get reset on reboot
21:38:44  <lolman> Yeah I have
21:39:19  <lolman> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
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22:01:49  <DarkSSH> :O
22:01:57  <DarkSSH> grr
22:02:05  <lolman> *sigh*
22:02:13  <Darkvater> it's back
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22:03:42  <peter1138> it?
22:04:29  <Darkvater> Darkvater is
22:06:19  <peter1138> :D
22:13:35  <Darkvater> lol
22:14:00  <Darkvater> hackers created a vmware image of a vista activation server that a pirated vista can use to activate itself
22:14:08  <lolman> lmao
22:14:19  <lolman> That's just OTT
22:14:45  <hylje> thats quite owned
22:14:52  <lolman> Indeed it is
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22:16:03  * lolman awaits Chinese
22:16:45  <Mikachu> ni hao?
22:17:09  <lolman> Hehe
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22:25:34  <Sacro> Darkvater: got the torrent incoming now
22:25:58  <Darkvater> he
22:27:11  <Sacro> Yahoo News - "The hacked download is available online on sites including The Pirate Bay and other file sharing sites."
22:27:29  <Darkvater> :O
22:27:31  <Darkvater> sue'em!
22:28:23  <Sacro> for what?
22:28:44  <Darkvater> for posting links to illegal sites
22:28:55  <Sacro> hmmm... true
22:29:09  <Sacro> i found it quite amusing, it was actually a working hyperlink too
22:33:02  <Sacro> god there are so many TARDS who think that vista can only be transferred once
22:34:48  <peter1138> if microsoft had their way...
22:36:12  <Sacro> :(
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22:50:42  <lolman> Sacro, pwnd :P
22:50:54  <io]nowhere> ..
22:51:28  <lolman> ^_^
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23:00:21  <Brianetta> (:
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23:04:13  <Brianetta> Those aren't links
23:04:20  <Brianetta> I'd still haev to search for The Pirate Bay
23:05:32  <Brianetta> Sacro: That image... I use a Unix based OS...
23:05:34  <Brianetta> ):
23:05:38  <Brianetta> I get laid frequently
23:05:57  <Sacro> Brianetta: ah but you have a fiancee
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23:06:54  <Darkvater> hmm...should I download opensuse 10.2?
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23:25:34  <Sacro> Darkvater: noooooooo, Arch Linux ftw
23:26:37  * lolman agrees
23:26:44  <lolman> Arch FTW
23:26:54  <Mikachu> go gentoo
23:27:17  * lolman can't help but ask when TeamSpeak will start using ALSA
23:27:26  <lolman> :@
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23:33:38  <Sacro> Mikachu: RICER :|
23:33:55  <Mikachu> oookay
23:34:16  * Sacro haets Ubuntu, Gentoo, SuSe, Mandriva...
23:34:43  <Mikachu> is this idiot night?
23:35:06  <Sacro> everynight with me is idiot night :D
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