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Log for #openttd on 17th December 2006:
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00:37:51  <tokai> Bjarni: so.. you're the most aggressive openttd developer? :)
00:46:10  <Sacro__> yes
00:46:15  <Sacro__> he keeps attacking me
00:46:20  <Sacro__> damn netherlandish
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01:24:36  <Nigel_> if ($player->name == 'Bjarni') $interestrate = 5000;
01:24:38  <Nigel_> :P
01:29:33  <_jotham> 'just because braces are sometimes optional it does not mean they are optional'
01:31:27  <_jotham> first task of today, try and recreate something like boost foreach in ecmascript
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02:48:08  <BFM> Never, ever, drink with Russians.
02:48:25  <glx> you can't beat them ?
02:50:03  <BFM> It's not that you can't beat them, but you'll just be dead the next morning.
02:51:00  <BFM> ??????!
02:51:15  <BFM> Means, Let's go! in Russian. ^_^ They taught me that
02:52:27  <BFM> Could be ????! ... online translaters suxor
02:56:31  <Tefad> whoa there's cyrillic in here
02:56:34  <glx> it's ?????? if I remember my russian lessons :)
02:57:11  <glx> (was years ago)
02:58:00  <Tefad> ???? ???? ?????
02:58:09  <BFM> Remember how it's pronounced? I'm still too hungover to remember
02:58:29  <BFM> Ba-lech-sci, or something
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03:02:48  <glx> can't find ????? in my dictionnary (should not be a nice word)
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03:04:34  <glx> as the sentence starts with "your mother"
03:06:23  <Tefad> heeeeeeee
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03:28:24  <BFM> glx, I was using google languages
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03:50:22  <Eddi|zuHause3> Cpu(s): 22.4%us,  4.9%sy,  0.0%ni,  0.0%id,  0.0%wa, 72.4%hi,  0.3%si,  0.0%st <- what exactly is "hi" there?
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04:45:39  <Nigel_> Eddi|zuHause3, i can't actually remember sorry
04:46:21  <Eddi|zuHause3> that was definitely worth a highlight at 5:45 AM
04:46:54  <Ailure> http://realmanproblems.ytmnsfw.com/
04:46:55  <Ailure> win
04:46:58  <Ailure> XD
04:47:51  <Eddi|zuHause3> it wants me to turn on cookies...
04:49:11  <Ailure> I don't recall it requiring cookies
04:49:14  <Ailure> oh wait
04:49:15  <Ailure> it does
04:49:20  <Ailure> becuse it's part of the NSFW section
04:49:22  <Ailure> bjut
04:49:26  <Ailure> but if it's really not that dirty
04:49:48  <Ailure> I don't even know why it's NSFW
04:49:50  <Ailure> it's not that bad
05:00:50  <Tefad> uhm
05:01:02  <Tefad> what's the music?
05:01:22  <Tefad> (ytmnd's music rarely works in firefox for me for some reason.)
05:13:56  <Ailure> The music isn't really required to understand the joke
05:14:09  <Ailure> nothing that I recnoized or found memorable anyway :P
05:14:59  <Tefad> that's definately ok for work
05:15:09  <Tefad> it's not like your boss is going to stand over your shoulder and read the whole thing
05:15:15  <Tefad> even so, it's not even vulgar : \
05:15:30  <Tefad> looks like an average web page from a distance
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09:03:50  <MeusH> hi
09:03:54  <MeusH> hey ln-
09:04:02  <MeusH> !seen ln-
09:04:02  <_42_> MeusH, if you can't see ln- here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^
09:04:20  <Wolf01> hello
09:04:51  <MeusH> hey Wolfy
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09:12:43  <MeusH> hey Purno
09:13:25  <MeusH> !seen -l*
09:13:26  <_42_> MeusH, I'm sorry, but your search didn't return any results.
09:13:30  <Wolf01> Eddi|zuHause3 are you there?
09:13:30  <MeusH> !seen ln*
09:13:32  <_42_> MeusH, I found one match to your query: ln-. ln- (lauri@ksenos.fi) was last seen rejoining #openttd from a netsplit 2 days 9 hours 49 minutes ago (14.12. 23:24) ln- is still there.
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09:20:53  <Wolf01> http://rafb.net/paste/results/XbuDO823.html here is the miniIN error about the catenary on bridge, when it was synced with trunk, somebody forgot about the transparent image
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09:38:19  <Darkvater> dammit
09:38:38  <Darkvater> pc is totally dead..beeping like a madman about no memory found but I don't even get video
09:38:56  <hylje> haha
09:39:16  <Darkvater> you think that's funny?
09:40:49  <hylje> theres a saying describing the funny, but i can't translate it at the moment
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09:45:53  <Darkvater> did anyone PM me @DarkSSH in the pas 10 hours? I shut off the pc without checking :O
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09:52:29  <Tefad> not i : D
09:52:55  <Darkvater> hmm
09:53:24  <Darkvater> if I were to tell you that the motherboard gives the same sound (no memory) without memory and without cpu, what would be broken you say?
09:53:28  <Darkvater> the motherboard?
09:53:39  <Darkvater> if I put in some other memory that I knows work I get the same beeps
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09:53:57  <Tefad> clock/cmos battery?
09:54:11  <Tefad> wrong jumper settings?
09:54:22  <Darkvater> the pc hasn't been open for ages
09:54:25  <_jotham> haha
09:54:26  <Tefad> physical damage.
09:54:27  <Wolf01> power supply?
09:54:28  <ln-> disturbance in the force?
09:54:30  <Darkvater> and worked just before
09:54:32  <_jotham> yeah jumpers don't just go wtf wtf wtf
09:54:42  <Darkvater> ok, you guys, thanks for the help :O
09:54:45  <Tefad> try a new battery.
09:54:48  <Tefad> enjoy
09:55:11  <_jotham> yeah a new battery is the first thing to try
09:55:17  <_jotham> then look at your PSU
09:55:21  <_jotham> before worrying about ram/cpu
09:55:39  <_jotham> also obviously take out any pci cards etc
09:56:09  <Wolf01> and disconnect all superfluous things, like internal modem, hard disks etc
09:56:11  <_jotham> i had an annoying PSU problem a while back
09:56:19  <_jotham> it'd malfunction when it got hot
09:56:35  <Tefad> ARGH wtf this hdd is fastend to sled with a slotted screw
09:56:35  <_jotham> so it'd only happen when the machine had been raytracing for a few hours
09:56:38  * Tefad stabs
09:56:42  <Tefad> povray?!
09:56:48  <_jotham> naah i use cinema4D
09:56:49  <Tefad> oh : (
09:56:56  <_jotham> but i know povray and have used it
09:57:01  <Tefad> sweet
09:57:07  <Tefad> i used povray before there was a windows version : D
09:57:18  <Tefad> (and then i used that windows version in windows 3.11)
09:57:20  <_jotham> heres some of my 3D - i am not a realist or anything, mostly just stylstic fooling around http://the.fieldsofnoise.org/Gallery/
09:57:27  <Tefad> neat
09:57:28  <_jotham> i used to use povray on the mac
09:57:38  <Tefad> i had some online at one point
09:58:02  <Tefad> all original or do you import models
09:58:08  <_jotham> i make everything
09:58:12  <Tefad> neat
09:58:15  <_jotham> this is my favorite recent image http://the.fieldsofnoise.org/Gallery/Images/Large/GalleryImage1046184.jpg
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09:58:35  <_jotham> i like computer stuff to look like it's computer stuff
09:58:38  <_jotham> if you know what i mean
09:58:54  <Tefad> so the polycons i see are on purpose?
09:58:59  <_jotham> yeah
09:59:00  <Tefad> polygons sheesh
09:59:14  <_jotham> and the tiling of the texture
09:59:20  <Tefad> yup yup
09:59:47  <_jotham> this is i don't think realism is very creative
09:59:59  <Tefad> heh
10:00:03  <_jotham> but some sci-fi 3D i've seen is beautiful
10:00:06  <hylje> realism is not what you should aim at
10:00:14  <hylje> its the consistant style
10:00:17  <_jotham> the uncanney valley says realism is the DOOM
10:00:43  <Tefad> hee i like the first one
10:00:47  <_jotham> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_Valley
10:00:47  <Tefad> WEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
10:01:05  <_jotham> with the two dimensional strippers?
10:01:10  <Tefad> yes
10:01:12  <Tefad> eehehe
10:01:17  <_jotham> yeah i was pretty happy with that
10:01:37  <Tefad> you could probably make a print of that and get a few buyers
10:01:53  <_jotham> money sucks
10:01:56  * Tefad shrugs
10:01:59  <Tefad> pays bills though
10:02:00  <_jotham> my gf is always pressing me to sell my work
10:02:17  <Tefad> what good is art if you can't live off it?
10:02:18  <_jotham> not 3D so much as computer software
10:02:20  <_jotham> uh
10:02:26  <Tefad> unless it's just a hobby
10:02:27  <_jotham> for many artists art is in the doing
10:02:32  <_jotham> not the money or appreciation
10:02:33  <hylje> art for the art's sake?
10:02:49  <_jotham> i earn money because it's a nessasary part of society
10:02:54  <_jotham> that's about it
10:02:55  <hylje> the large producer companies want to have people think that art is made for money and money only
10:03:09  <hylje> thus they can lobby for stricter copyright for themselves
10:03:33  <_jotham> i'd like every person to spend 12 months of their lives making things no one would ever see
10:03:45  <_jotham> the idea perversely amuses me
10:03:47  <Tefad> done.
10:04:00  <_jotham> hah
10:04:02  <Tefad> collectively over the years i have done so
10:04:06  <Tefad> not 12mos in a row.
10:04:44  <Tefad> it's how i learn
10:05:18  <_jotham> yeah same
10:05:24  <_jotham> i only make to learn and amuse myself
10:05:29  <Tefad> hmm
10:05:38  <Tefad> i managed to get this slotted screw off with my thumbnail, woot
10:05:39  <_jotham> well i do it for a job too, but again, neccesity not desire
10:06:25  <Tefad> i program R&D type things.
10:06:37  <Tefad> flight simulator and associated flight rules/guidance
10:06:40  <_jotham> cool
10:06:44  <_jotham> CG stuff here
10:06:51  <Tefad> nothing graphical.. numbers in, numbers out
10:07:05  <Tefad> however i get to visualize the numbers in lovely grayscale excel plots.
10:07:28  <_jotham> haha
10:08:02  <Tefad> i have learned way more than i ever wanted to about microsoft excel.
10:08:08  <_jotham> i wrote a gausian RNG a few days ago
10:08:25  <Tefad> luckily most other spreadsheet apps mimic excel (or vice versa)
10:08:31  <Darkvater> hmm and now it boots...
10:08:35  <_jotham> i generally plot my stuff with flash, because it's convenient http://radiosaurus.sporkism.org/random-b.swf
10:08:40  <_jotham> was pretty happy with the RNG
10:08:57  <_jotham> you can define the slope, the spread, and the center point
10:09:05  <Tefad> random noise?
10:09:10  <_jotham> yeah but .. controlled
10:09:41  <_jotham> random numbers arn't very useful for asthetic stuff unless you can bias them
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10:10:20  <_jotham> do you get job satisfaction?
10:11:57  <Tefad> btw, your swf thing just ate my browser.
10:12:09  <_jotham> sorry, i don't know why that'd happen
10:12:13  <_jotham> all it does is draw a few bars
10:12:18  <Tefad> right at 100% cpu
10:12:27  <_jotham> oh yeah, the rng is quite expensive
10:12:29  <Tefad> thhen.. weird freezing .. and.. now.. blleh
10:12:35  <_jotham> sorry about that
10:12:35  <_jotham> :\
10:12:38  <Tefad> ok here we go.
10:12:44  <Tefad> firefox finally decided to close that tab
10:12:45  <_jotham> should just be ablet o kill the window
10:12:51  <_jotham> i notice firefox 2.0 isn't so good
10:12:58  <_jotham> i dunno what version you are using
10:13:01  <Tefad> i'm using 3.0a : x
10:13:09  <Darkvater> hmm what would you say is wrong when the pc just hangs after the memory test at 'Award Plug and Play BIOS Extension V1.0A'
10:13:09  <_jotham> haha
10:13:22  <Darkvater> motherboard or battery? Although what would battery have to dow tiht his
10:13:36  <Tefad> it's reading wrong values from nvram
10:13:49  <Tefad> insert battery, reset bios settings
10:14:00  <Tefad> that's my analysis so far *shrug*
10:14:00  <Darkvater> but now it boots
10:14:07  <Darkvater> *eek* black screen
10:14:14  <Darkvater> I'll try what you aid
10:14:15  <Darkvater> +s
10:14:36  <Tefad> while what i said is probable.. i may be way off : D
10:19:01  <Tefad> poop. this hdd is so old, termination is done by removable resistor packs
10:19:08  <Tefad> so much for the TE jumber.
10:19:23  <Tefad> (i have no resistor packs)
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10:19:40  <Tefad> eh, at least i have another apple drive sled.
10:21:01  <Darkvater> peter1138: cha-ching
10:21:12  <Darkvater> I wonder if he's gone on some kind of pre-christmas holiday
10:22:36  <Darkvater> I wonder why I keep screwing around with this pc. It's already 6 years old, and in serious need of a replacement :)
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10:26:13  <Darkvater> ok, this is gay..manual doesn't say how to reset cmos
10:29:00  <Wolf01> leave the battery and wait 30 seconds
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10:30:23  <Darkvater> eek
10:30:27  <Darkvater> where did I put the battery :O
10:34:29  <Darkvater> hmnm
10:34:37  <Darkvater> is the battery actually used when the pc is up?
10:35:04  <hylje> if you got aux power
10:35:05  <hylje> no
10:35:26  <Wolf01> without the battery the pc should'nt work
10:36:20  <Darkvater> hmm
10:36:30  <ln-> Darkvater: e.g. i once had a motherboard that operated otherwise normally, but it consumed the battery within few weeks -- even if the power was on 24/7.
10:37:27  <Darkvater> well the pc works just as fine with or without the battery
10:37:35  <Darkvater> eg not at all ;p
10:39:28  <Darkvater> hmm
10:39:30  <Darkvater> CMOS checksum error - defaults loaded
10:39:35  <Darkvater> even with a brandnew battery
10:40:07  <Wolf01> good, you reset the cmos
10:40:40  <Darkvater> hmm no, cause I get this on every boot o_O
10:41:01  <Darkvater> and the bios hangs after about 10 seconds
10:41:32  <Wolf01> there is something wrong with your motherboard
10:42:01  <Darkvater> hmm I had a hunch that way...
10:42:07  <Darkvater> oh well.. *new* pc :D
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10:44:40  <Rubidium> add it to the christmas wishlist :)
10:44:51  <Darkvater> :D
10:45:30  <hylje> a real brand-name workstation!
10:46:17  <ln-> yeah, Sun Sparcstation.
10:51:35  <Brianetta> Did SAC PM everybody?
10:51:40  <Brianetta> Or am I special?
10:52:11  <Wolf01> i pm sac and i received a reply
10:52:21  <Brianetta> Oh
10:52:34  <Brianetta> She read the logs, she said, and PM'd me to clarify stuff
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11:10:52  <Darkvater> hi Belugas_Gone
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11:52:57  <Darkvater> hmm we have a problem
11:53:24  <Darkvater> I get this red error box whenever I try it
11:53:29  <Darkvater> I think we have a bug :(
11:53:37  <Darkvater> it says: 'Cannot buy pc... Insufficient funds'
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12:14:12  <Wolf01> Darkvater, try ctrl+alt+c
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13:09:56  <FR^2> Hiho
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13:39:51  <Belugas_Gone> hello sir Darkvater
13:40:01  <Belugas_Gone> mmh
13:40:14  <Belugas_Gone> early in the morning...
13:40:31  <Belugas_Gone> should not be online..
13:40:39  <Belugas_Gone> going back to breakfast
13:41:37  <Eddi|zuHause3> Wolf01: what do you have against diffs? ;)
13:42:17  <Wolf01> why?
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13:42:40  <Eddi|zuHause3> the link you gave earlier
13:42:47  <Eddi|zuHause3> it's not a diff
13:43:16  <Wolf01> the diff is in the forum since i've pasted here that link
13:43:34  <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't read the forum
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14:24:36  <Hadez> Hi all.
14:24:43  <Digitalfox> Hi..
14:26:50  <Digitalfox> Is openTTD development in holidays?? It's a bit paused at svn... :|
14:27:31  <Eddi|zuHause3> no, we are in the middle of releasing ;)
14:28:14  <Digitalfox> releasing 0.5?
14:29:02  <Eddi|zuHause3> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Johannes%20Transporte,%2021.%20Dez%201921.png <- town growth is soooo rediculous... (aka "count the theaters level 23")
14:29:17  <Digitalfox> or an interin 0.4.9?
14:31:12  <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't believe that there is a 0.5 until there actually is one ;)
14:32:07  <Digitalfox> but you said releasing, so i thought some new oficial build, not a nightly..
14:32:40  <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, i said that... 0.5RC1 was scheduled 3 weeks ago
14:34:20  <Eddi|zuHause3> i so wish i had a tram system right now...
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14:54:20  <CIA-1> glx * r7502 /branches/MiniIN/elrail.c: [MiniIN] -Fix: transparent catenary was not transparent on bridges (Wolf01)
14:55:00  <ln-> http://vaunut.org/kuvasivu/32010
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15:02:16  <Eddi|zuHause3> what am i supposed to see there, ln-?
15:03:08  <Eddi|zuHause3> (i'm sorry that my finnish is a little weak :p)
15:04:11  <ln-> it shouldn't be impossible to guess what has happened when a train has stopped, a fire truck next to it and a covered body lying on the ground.
15:05:02  <Rubidium> somebody died while waiting till the train has passed and the driver saw it?
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15:06:05  <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, i thought something along the same lines ;)
15:07:00  <ln-> additionally the comments mention that the first police officer to arrive at the scene was the husband of the female whose car got hit by the train.
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15:43:51  <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... with the introduction of the BR 75, the BR 92 gets practically useless...
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15:53:58  * orudge compiles OpenTTD for the first time in several months
15:54:08  * orudge also gets his OS/2 install up again
15:54:16  <glx> with gcc ?
15:54:20  <orudge> MSVC2005
15:54:28  <orudge> but with OS/2, I'll be working on the gcc thing, yes
15:56:09  * orudge waits for the DirectX SDK to download... only going at 1.12MB/s, damn this 10Mbps connection, he preferred 100Mbps last year.
15:56:13  <orudge> it'll take a whole 6 minutes!
15:56:28  <Darkvater> o_O
15:56:34  <Darkvater> you downloaded the whole DX SDK?
15:56:37  <Darkvater> that's insane
15:56:39  <orudge> Whereas last year, it would regularly go at at least 3MB/s
15:56:40  <orudge> Well
15:56:42  <Darkvater> you only need like 1MB from it
15:56:43  <orudge> I know
15:56:51  <orudge> I have in the past done things that used other bits of it
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15:57:07  <orudge> whether I will at the moment of course is a different thing
15:57:11  <orudge> and for OpenTTD, I indeed don't need it all
15:57:22  <Darkvater> that's true
15:57:32  <Darkvater> hopefully OS/2 works out of the box, at least on gcc
15:57:39  <Darkvater> you can forget about watcom I think
15:58:23  <orudge> Well, Watcom won't work, I'm 100% sure of that
15:58:28  <orudge> seeing as it didn't work several months ago when I last used it
15:58:34  <orudge> but then, I will check over the gcc stuff
15:58:55  <orudge> Ooh
15:58:57  <orudge> Watcom 1.6 is out
15:59:30  <Darkvater> and mind you...the watcom project files were the stupidest ever
15:59:31  <Darkvater> horrid
15:59:34  <orudge> Yup
15:59:36  <orudge> Very much so
16:00:57  <orudge> It's a shame really, but this past few months life has been so busy that I've somewhat neglected both OpenTTD and TTDPatch. I do however want to start a game of one of them (I haven't decided which yet) to play over Christmas :)
16:01:12  <orudge> so I'll see what's new in the latest OpenTTD builds ;)
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17:04:23  <DaleStan> Will someone please lock this before I completely lose control? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=530815#530815
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17:30:29  <hylje> wow
17:30:44  <hylje> i didnt realize the nokia 9300 display is barely large enough for ottd UI
17:31:04  <hylje> (no, i didnt port it there)
17:31:39  <hylje> only some windows are too large by default
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19:12:09  <MUcht> whats wrong with the nightlies?
19:12:37  <Rubidium> what would be wrong?
19:13:48  <Rubidium> nothing has changed since Friday, so there is no need to make new nightlies
19:15:45  <FR^2> *g*
19:16:05  <MUcht> oh
19:16:11  <MUcht> whats wrong with the commiters then ;-)
19:16:29  <Rubidium> serious cases of 'real life'?
19:16:54  <MUcht> hrm I heared about this life once...
19:16:55  <FR^2> Uh, that's a nasty an severe illness.
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19:19:01  <MeusH> hi
19:19:03  <MeusH> hey ln-
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21:40:56  <Wolf01> Frostregen have you time to take in hands again the eyecandy patch with me?
21:42:52  <BFM> lol, pwned... I've been away the past month. Turns out I left the wrong mobile number for work to contact me. WHOOPS
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