Log for #openttd on 25th December 2006:
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00:00:44  <Rubidium> true, but creating a new window etc for enabling and configuring autorenew is more work than making it just 'work' correctly in the current situation
00:01:44  <Rubidium> the patch setting 'in-game' is the same as the one stored in the savegame (at least, with my patch applied)
00:04:10  <Rubidium> only case it now doesn't get set properly is when one changes player via the 'cheat' menu
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00:05:00  <peter1138> nini
00:05:24  <Rubidium> night
00:09:55  <Rubidium> ok, now the settings get reset on switching player too
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00:17:17  <ln-> hmm, interesting channel this BahnTV
00:18:08  <Rubidium> Bjarni: what are we going to do with the patch? It is certain these two cases are cases where it *could* happen; there might be an issue with the validity of _local_player in AfterLoadGame; something that the part just before my new code in openttd.c uses
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00:18:59  <Rubidium> anyway, I'm going to sleep now
00:19:55  <Eddi|zuHause> they show something at this hour?
00:20:28  <ln-> yeah
00:20:50  <ln-> over an hour-long video that was shot from a loco window
00:21:04  <ln-> started from somewhere and ended up at karlsruhe hbf.
00:21:41  <Eddi|zuHause> oh yeah, like "the most beautiful tracks of germany"
00:27:02  <Eddi|zuHause> could be less boring if they had some intresting music playing
00:27:57  <ln-> and now some more driving...
00:28:49  <Eddi|zuHause> it's quite funny when they drive through a tunnel, the screen is completely black for a while
00:29:11  <Eddi|zuHause> and they usually say "cut by x seconds" or something
00:29:28  <ln-> omg, werbung
00:30:14  <Eddi|zuHause> :)
00:31:31  <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause>	it's quite funny when they drive through a tunnel, the screen is completely black for a while <-- my cabview video recording of a tunnel is not black. The tracks are visible and now and then the boiler and funnel shows as well, not to mention all the signals and stuff
00:31:59  <Bjarni> <ln->	started from somewhere <-- are you sure it's not "elsewhere"? :P
00:32:24  <Eddi|zuHause> no, they might as well drive from karlsruhe to karlsruhe ;)
00:32:25  <ln-> in real life one can build signals in tunnels, yes
00:32:46  <Bjarni> I know
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00:32:52  <Bjarni> I have seen some of them
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00:33:15  <Bjarni> they didn't have room for proper signals, so they placed 4 coloured lightbulbs on the wall :D
00:33:18  <Eddi|zuHause> well, in the case i saw it it was some diesel engine on a single-track route, they neither had boilers nor signals to see there
00:34:01  <Bjarni> that's just stupid
00:34:06  <Bjarni> a diesel without a boiler
00:34:08  <Bjarni> o_O
00:34:24  <Eddi|zuHause> well, it might have had a boiler, but it just could not be seen
00:34:32  <Bjarni> what's next? A locomotive without wheels?
00:34:57  <Bjarni> that would be TransRapid
00:35:05  <Eddi|zuHause> square wheels, so they don't roll backwards on the hills ;)
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00:36:02  <Bjarni> I once saw a cabview video and because it was a steering car, I instantly wondered "the engine noises are missing"
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00:36:30  <Bjarni> I have driven on that particular line myself, but only with steam or diesel
00:36:55  <Bjarni> since it was clearly not a steam train, the diesel engine noise was missing
00:39:36  <Eddi|zuHause> i figure you don't have a lot of electric trains to drive
00:40:10  <Bjarni> actually that line got catenary and the steering car got an EMU in the other end
00:41:11  <Bjarni> but personally, I will likely never drive an electric train
00:41:31  <Bjarni> except for the 1:87 scale :P
00:41:45  <Eddi|zuHause> naturally ;)
00:42:28  <Eddi|zuHause> i'd like to see a working steam model of H0 scale once ;)
00:42:55  <Bjarni> hmm
00:43:10  <Bjarni> steam engines can always be made bigger, but they got a problem with small sizes
00:43:11  <glx> too small I think
00:43:53  <Bjarni> I say that the task to build such a small steam engine is so complex that it will be way too expensive
00:44:05  <Bjarni> but it could be possible to build
00:44:31  <Bjarni> would likely be really slow through
00:44:45  <Eddi|zuHause> hmm... Freiburg/Unstrut is not very far from here
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00:44:55  <MeusH> heya
00:45:03  <MeusH> is MiHaMiX alive?
00:45:19  <Bjarni> do you mean before or after we killed him?
00:46:27  <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: I have seen working steam locomotives in scale... hmm 1:20 or something like that
00:46:28  <Belugas_Gone> was he alive before we've killed him?  Was he alive after we've killed him?   Bjarni, my friend, either way, it does not make much sens ^^
00:46:31  <Bjarni> pulling people
00:46:54  <Bjarni> Belugas_Gone: it was not intended to make more sense than the question ;)
00:47:36  <ln-> ok, silence everyone, i'm going to sleep.
00:47:46  <Belugas_Gone> you've succeeded Hahah!!
00:47:51  <Bjarni> <-- what, people don't think it's funny that he thought he missed Christmas eve?
00:47:53  <Belugas_Gone> night ln-
00:47:57  <Bjarni> night ln-
00:48:05  <ln-> hmm, or perhaps it would be more idiomatic to say "going to bed"...
00:48:06  <ln-> gn
00:48:07  <MeusH> goodnight ln-
00:48:22  <Belugas_Gone> good going to sleep ln-
00:48:29  <Eddi|zuHause> hehe, they have a steam engine in scale 1:1,33 ;)
00:48:39  <Bjarni> who are they?
00:48:57  <Eddi|zuHause> or was it 3,33?
00:49:22  <Eddi|zuHause> somebody in leipzig
00:50:37  <Bjarni> <-- I know two guys, who are building this one. I think it's in 1:10 or something like that
00:51:21  <Bjarni> it will be so big that it needs a boiler test and approval like a real steam locomotive
00:51:44  <MeusH> heh
00:51:48  <MeusH> who'd care anyway?
00:51:56  <MeusH> too much beaurocracy...
00:52:10  <Bjarni> the future passengers
00:52:12  <Bjarni> I guess
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01:08:21  <Bjarni> goodnight
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01:35:46  <MeusH> goodnight
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01:40:46  <CIA-1> belugas * r7556 /trunk/screenshot.c:
01:40:46  <CIA-1> -Fix(r7153): By handling the KeyEvent sooner in the events loops, the console
01:40:46  <CIA-1> command "screenshot no_con" did not had time to actually repaint the screen
01:40:46  <CIA-1> without the console before the screenshot. Forcing a redraw before it ensure
01:40:46  <CIA-1> that the feature acts as required. (to be ported to 0.5.0)
01:40:47  <CIA-1> (thanks glx)
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08:04:27  <Smoky555> hi :(
08:06:05  <Smoky555> SVN 7556, compiling with cygwin - "Error. Application will be closed. Send report to Microsoft" :(
08:07:24  <Smoky555> ===> Compiling win32.c
08:07:26  <Smoky555> win32.c: In function `OTTDSHGetFolderPath':
08:07:26  <Smoky555> win32.c:1109: warning: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules
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08:28:00  <Rubidium> Smoky555: that warning is known, the crash is caused by a bug in gcc
08:28:53  <Rubidium> (what bug I do not know, but I suggest to upgrade to the latest gcc and see whether that resolves it)
08:29:33  <Smoky555> ok
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08:51:19  <Wolf01> morning
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09:02:42  <Jango> dudes
09:02:45  <Jango> happy christmas
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09:40:15  <Rubidium> Bjarni: I did some further thinking about your inconsistency problem; it could only happen when the _local_player is changed and the patch settings were not updated properly..
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09:41:36  <Bjarni> annoncement: I replaced the mac release file on sourceforge to solve the linking problem to libfontconfig
09:41:44  <Rubidium> So I made a patch that adds a SetLocalPlayer function that is used everywhere in the code where _local_player would be set except two locations where the _local_player is changed and then changed back again in the same function.
09:41:48  <Bjarni> now it should work for everybody (hopefully)
09:41:54  <Rubidium>
09:43:24  <Bjarni> that might do it
09:51:50  <CIA-1> bjarni * r7557 /trunk/Makefile:
09:51:50  <CIA-1> -Fix: [OSX] FS#463 libfontconfig not present on OSX by default
09:51:50  <CIA-1>  By adding CUSTOM_FONTCONFIG flag to the Makefile (not Makefile.config) to overwrite default locations of this library
09:51:50  <CIA-1>  This allows static linking
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09:52:54  <Bjarni> Rubidium: you can go ahead and figure out if your diff solves the issue. I don't have the time :(
09:53:01  <Rubidium> Bjarni: you could have made a modified libfontconfig-configurator
09:53:49  <Rubidium> i.e. a script that returns the correct library flags
09:54:02  <Bjarni> yeah, but since it's not only part of Xcode, it could also conflict with with my SDKs (universal binary thing to use more than one), I would rather do it this way
09:55:00  <Bjarni> I noticed that Apple released a new Xcode, which I have yet to download. Any custom modifications risk getting overwritten when updating
09:55:43  <Rubidium> if you place the libfontconfig-configurator in $USER-DIR/my-own-stuff, it should not overwrite it
09:56:08  <Rubidium> anyway, brunch :)
09:56:31  <Bjarni> oddly enough the config accepts the --static flag, but it just fails to return any lib information
09:56:41  <Bjarni> even though the help says that it will
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10:49:49  <TrueBrain> Hi all! I just wanted to say: MERRY XMAS!!!!
10:49:59  <TrueBrain> That said, I wish you all a good day :)
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10:50:04  <Bjarni> XMAS???
10:50:16  <ThePizzaKing> That was a short visit
10:50:19  <Bjarni> this guy can't spell
10:50:36  <Bjarni> and use the American way of hiding it
10:51:08  <Bjarni> next thing you know, they will start to say exmas instead of Christmas
10:51:21  <Bjarni> would that name Christ X?
10:51:28  <ThePizzaKing> Whenever I see that I pronounce it exmas
10:51:46  <ThePizzaKing> That's why I write it out in full
10:52:02  <ThePizzaKing> Then I don't confuse myself
10:52:24  <mikk36_> Bjarni, it's the damn americans
10:52:28  <mikk36_> they spell it Xmas
10:52:37  <mikk36_> to save space
10:52:37  <Bjarni> it appears that it takes very little to confuse ThePizzaKing
10:52:39  <mikk36_> as u know
10:52:56  <ThePizzaKing> Of course, I get confused very easily
10:52:59  <Bjarni> you mean like they generated the y2k issue
10:53:11  <ThePizzaKing> and I can confuse others even easier
10:53:15  <Bjarni> they even saved space writing the name of it
10:54:01  <mikk36_> yeah
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10:56:50  <Sacro> y2k i dont mind, its when they say 2k6 for 2006
10:56:54  <Sacro> when its clearly 2600
10:57:25  <mikk36_> well
10:57:30  <mikk36_> at the same time...
10:57:37  <Bjarni> Sacro: we all know that you are screwed up anyway
10:57:42  <mikk36_> k means thousand, right ?
10:57:44  <Sacro> Bjarni: indeed
10:57:57  <Bjarni> 2k6 means 2,6*1000
10:58:00  <Sacro> mikk36: x 10^3
10:58:06  <mikk36_> so 2k6 becomes two thousand six :)
10:58:39  <Bjarni> mikk36_: not really. Ever seen something like a resistor saying 4k9?
10:58:48  <mikk36_> nope
10:58:53  <mikk36_> not into electronics
10:58:56  <Bjarni> it's 4900 ?, not 4009 ?
10:58:59  <mikk36_> also
10:59:06  <mikk36_> it's spoken and free language
10:59:12  <Bjarni> the latter would make no sense as it could be ±5%
10:59:14  <mikk36_> not that scientific and formal
10:59:47  <mikk36_> although, 1 standard would be better, yeah
11:00:14  <Bjarni> the idea of a language is to use a standard known by both sender and receiver, so they agree on what it mean
11:01:17  <mikk36_> well, i prefer to agree with the wider area of people...
11:01:33  <mikk36_> then it's easier to understand
11:02:05  <mikk36_> lol
11:02:10  <mikk36_> at the same time...
11:02:21  <mikk36_> right now it's 2k, right ?
11:02:41  <mikk36_> shouldn't be the next century 21h ? :P
11:03:00  <mikk36_> h -> hundred
11:03:15  <Bjarni> no
11:03:22  <Bjarni> century means 100 years
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11:03:34  <Sacro> 21h is 9 o clock at night
11:03:45  <Bjarni> so you are saying the 2100xx years
11:03:52  <Sacro> 21C
11:03:57  <Rubidium> basically, but h doesn't stand for hundred, but for hecto :)
11:04:00  <Sacro> actually, 21xx = C22
11:04:01  <mikk36_> Sacro, u do spell 1987 as nineteen eighty-seven ?
11:04:16  <Sacro> mikk36: depends if its the number, or the year
11:04:32  <Sacro> its the number one thousand, nine hundred and eighty seven
11:04:44  <mikk36_> of course
11:04:53  <mikk36_> but we are talking about years here,
11:05:06  <mikk36_> aren't we ?
11:06:46  <Sacro> think so
11:07:10  <Eddi|zuHause2> if it means the year i say "neunzehnhundertsiebenundachzig"
11:07:19  <Sacro> tis evil!
11:07:46  <valhalla1w> zomg
11:10:10  <valhalla1w> Hey c'est pas mal hein! Bon, c'est pas génial, mais c'est correct, pout quelqu'un comme toi
11:10:13  <valhalla1w> well, thanks :P
11:10:52  <valhalla1w> (23.5s)
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11:12:50  <Eddi|zuHause2> thanks for ruining my day :p
11:13:23  <Bjarni> LOL, now I got the mail that I slapped Darkvater for not sending. It was sent on the 22nd, but I didn't get it until now :P
11:13:30  <Bjarni> lame postal service
11:13:42  <Bjarni> even worse than the physical one
11:13:46  <Rubidium> yeah, the virusscanner was crashed :)
11:14:29  <Bjarni> the message was somewhat important "I released... build a binary and add it to SF"
11:14:41  <Bjarni> I guess it's ok to wait that long for a message like that :P
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11:29:09  <MeusH> hello
11:32:01  <Bjarni> hi Mozard
11:32:07  <Bjarni> oh wait
11:32:15  <Bjarni> wrong Amadeus :P
11:32:39  <Bjarni> and isn't it Mozart anyway?
11:35:18  <Sacro_> indeed it is
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11:35:49  <MeusH> well
11:35:55  <MeusH> that was Mozart
11:36:10  <MeusH> btw have you seen the movie "Amadeus"?
11:36:22  <Sacro_> i think i have
11:36:32  <MeusH> that Mozart dude was pretty much weird :)
11:36:42  <Bjarni> well, I will
11:36:47  <Bjarni> I recorded it last night
11:37:13  <Bjarni> Director's cut was on TV and then it would have been silly not to record it
11:38:47  <Bjarni> hmm
11:38:48  <Bjarni> odd
11:38:54  <MeusH> ?
11:39:14  <Bjarni> I just put a disc in the optical drive and it will not eject before the OS allows it to
11:39:27  <Bjarni> yet all apps claims that the tray is open
11:39:39  <MeusH> OSX?
11:39:42  <Bjarni> yes
11:39:45  <Bjarni> never happened before
11:39:45  <Sacro_> heh
11:40:18  <Bjarni> I think it was poor timing with inserting the disc while clicking record in the 3rd party burn app
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11:41:00  <MeusH> speaking of bad things on macs, a friend of mine has an iPOD that hangs up when playing certain mp3
11:41:05  <MeusH> there's no way to turn it off
11:41:05  <Bjarni> since it can take control of the drive so no other app will access it, it can lock it for all other apps and I think it did that, but failed to realise that it actually contains a disc
11:41:10  <MeusH> there's no "restart" button
11:41:20  <MeusH> there's no way to acces the baterry to remove it
11:41:37  <Bjarni> pirated mp3s?
11:41:41  <MeusH> no
11:41:50  <MeusH> recorded at home
11:41:55  <Sacro_> Bjarni: i got some, whatr are you after/
11:41:55  <MeusH> iPOD "uncrashes" after 3-4 hours
11:42:19  <Bjarni> odd
11:42:49  <Bjarni> well, give it to iTunes and then let that app encode it for the iPOD
11:42:52  <Bjarni> that should work
11:42:55  <Bjarni> if not, contact Apple
11:43:07  <Bjarni> maybe contact Apple anyway
11:43:27  <Bjarni> it sounds like something is not like it should be
11:43:27  <Gonozal_VIII> no way to access the battery? :S
11:44:29  <Bjarni> I never figured out that part either, but you can get them to replace the battery for the price of the battery
11:44:57  <Bjarni> I mean, free installation of battery when you buy it
11:45:24  <Bjarni> it could be some sort of protection against the battery falling out or something
11:45:53  <Gonozal_VIII> so they have to open it with a large hammer and add a new case afterwards or what?
11:46:04  <Bjarni> I have no idea
11:46:33  <Bjarni> but with some powerbooks, they used special tools to open them
11:46:37  <Bjarni> could be something like that
11:46:58  <Bjarni> you never know what they think of and why. Could be some US law they are protecting themselves against
11:47:03  <Gonozal_VIII> i wouldn't like that
11:47:36  <Bjarni> "user got electrocuted and want a fortune"... stuff like that
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11:50:06  <Bjarni> in USA, some guy put up an electric fence and put it on a normal power outlet. Then he touched it and died. His widow got a fortune because the power company didn't specify that you were not allowed to do so without using an approved transformer. That's like suing a car company for dying in a carcrash while speeding. It's illegal because it's too dangerous, but the manufacturer didn't specify that you are not to use their product to
11:50:06  <Bjarni>  break the law.
11:50:46  <Gonozal_VIII> like the guy that went to the back of his camper to make some coffee while he was driving on the highway...
11:51:07  <Bjarni> ...
11:51:26  <Bjarni> he really let his camper drive on it's own???
11:51:33  <Gonozal_VIII> :-)
11:51:43  <Gonozal_VIII> had "cruise control" on^^
11:52:01  <Sacro_> right... off out
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11:52:18  <Bjarni> so if something happened to the road, like a queue... interesting stuff would happen
11:52:26  <Bjarni> not to mention in curves
11:53:46  <Gonozal_VIII> he crashed into something and sued the manufactorer of the camper for not writing down that you shouldn't leave the drivers seat while driving
11:54:19  <Gonozal_VIII> he even got money for that...
11:54:23  <Bjarni> the US army are trying to get vehicles to drive without a driver, but that's totally different because it got a robot thing to keep an eye(sensor) on the road and act on the input
11:54:54  <Bjarni> useful for driving supplies in areas with snipers
11:55:04  <Bjarni> s/driving/moving
11:55:32  <Bjarni> the people can move out of the line of fire while it's somewhat safe to keep driving
11:56:22  <MeusH> Bjarni, I saw a TV programme about taht
11:56:33  <MeusH> but these were students, not soldiers who did that
11:56:46  <MeusH> their car drove across USA from west coast to east coast
11:56:51  <MeusH> without driver
11:56:51  <Rubidium> that is probably the DARPA challenge :)
11:56:55  <Bjarni> maybe more than one group works on this
11:57:52  <Rubidium> the DoD finances that challenge to create a vehicle that can drive cross-country autonomous
11:58:11  <MeusH> what's DoD?
11:58:21  <Rubidium> Department of Defense
11:58:22  <mikk36_> department of defense
11:58:24  <mikk36_> grr
11:58:32  <Bjarni> Do nOt Disturb
11:59:23  <mikk36_> offtopic: what's tnt in full ?
11:59:39  <Rubidium> MeusH:
11:59:47  <MeusH> Trinitrotoluene
11:59:53  <MeusH> thank you Rubidium
12:00:01  <mikk36_> k :)
12:00:02  <Bjarni> mikk36_: something that's not recommended to eat
12:00:09  <mikk36_> i know that
12:00:13  <mikk36_> lol
12:00:17  <Gonozal_VIII> i wouldn't want to create something like that in the usa... much to high risk for something like "i was so shocked when i saw that thing driving without a driver that i fell and broke my leg, give me 10 million dollars..."
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12:00:47  <mikk36_> lol
12:01:39  <Bjarni> I once saw a video of two guys, who found a ghost car. It was driving without anybody in it. It turned out that a very short woman drove it. She watched where she went though the gab between the driving wheel and the dashboard
12:01:54  <Gonozal_VIII> ^^
12:02:05  <Bjarni> I don't think she would pass the test to be able to see everything needed to be allowed to drive
12:02:27  <Gonozal_VIII> police didn't stop her?
12:02:36  <Bjarni> police didn't find her
12:02:42  <Gonozal_VIII> hehe
12:03:18  <mikk36_> lol
12:04:32  <Bjarni> I think we need to allow the police to fully monitor everything on the roads. It would increase safety while it would not hurt people, who obey the laws
12:05:46  <mikk36_> but then i wouldn't be able to cruise around at usual 70km/h in the city any more :/
12:06:17  <Bjarni> I rest my case
12:06:36  <Bjarni> brb rebooting (to regain control of the optical drive)
12:06:37  <MeusH> good point Bjarni
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12:06:48  <MeusH> however, we're pretty safe, because noone in poland uses cruise control
12:07:01  <MeusH> and we use manual gearboxes
12:07:03  <mikk36_> i don't use either
12:07:06  <MeusH> that means we're more clever :)
12:07:10  <mikk36_> on a/t here
12:07:22  <MeusH> anyway, the problem here are drunken drivers
12:07:27  <mikk36_> yeah
12:07:32  <Gonozal_VIII> same here
12:07:33  <mikk36_> they suck
12:08:03  <Gonozal_VIII> they should watch for them more often
12:08:11  <mikk36_> yeah
12:08:34  <mikk36_> i have been tested only once in a year
12:08:40  <mikk36_> after getting my license
12:09:06  <mikk36_> and that was when i accidentally didn't spot a red light at 2am when there were no cars around
12:09:09  <Gonozal_VIII> would be more important then to search people that park in a 90 min zone for 2 hours or something..
12:09:14  <mikk36_> all the streets were empty
12:09:34  <mikk36_> we have other firms for that though
12:09:39  <mikk36_> for parking control
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12:10:43  <Bjarni> I got the disc :D
12:10:52  <MeusH> haha :D
12:10:53  <mikk36_> 'the disc' ?
12:11:01  <MeusH> stuck in his comp
12:11:17  <mikk36_> ?
12:11:34  <MeusH> he had to open the comp
12:11:38  <mikk36_> locked in optical drive ?
12:11:41  <MeusH> and put his hand into comp's entrails
12:11:42  <MeusH> yeah
12:11:44  <mikk36_> erm
12:11:54  <mikk36_> the long pin button didn't work ?
12:12:18  <mikk36_> also
12:12:19  <Gonozal_VIII> isn't there a small hole in every drive where you can open it manually with a pin or something
12:12:33  <mikk36_> u don't need to shut down ur computer, to remove optical drive
12:12:39  <Bjarni> actually I just rebooted and pressed the left mouse button while booting to eject all removal drives
12:12:40  <mikk36_> just disable it and then remove it
12:12:49  <Bjarni> *removeable
12:12:52  <mikk36_> lol
12:13:20  <mikk36_> also
12:13:20  <Bjarni> the problem was that the burning app screwed up and locked the drive
12:13:39  <mikk36_> Bjarni, usual optical drive or some fucked up custom-built vertical'n'shit drive ?
12:13:40  <SpComb> Logs:
12:13:40  <Bjarni> !logs
12:14:16  <Bjarni> vertical drive without that magic hole to get the disc out :s
12:14:29  <mikk36_> lol
12:15:06  <mikk36_> what pc is it then ?
12:15:21  <mikk36_> i've only once seen such vertical drive myself
12:15:30  <mikk36_> on an old fujitsu
12:15:36  <mikk36_> was some blue shit
12:15:42  <Bjarni> 14:07:22 < MeusH> anyway, the problem here are drunken drivers
12:15:42  <Bjarni> 14:07:27 < mikk36_> yeah
12:15:42  <Bjarni> 14:07:32 < Gonozal_VIII> same here
12:15:42  <Bjarni> 14:07:33 < mikk36_> they suck <-- I thought the sucking part was the prostitutes that we are warned about
12:16:05  <mikk36_> lol, no, didn't think that way
12:16:12  <Gonozal_VIII> prostitiution is legal here...
12:16:54  <MeusH> where?
12:16:55  <MeusH> whois...
12:17:01  <Gonozal_VIII> austria
12:17:13  <mikk36_> and in poland ?
12:17:23  <MeusH> it isn't legal here but who cares?
12:17:38  <mikk36_> lol, right
12:17:43  <MeusH> no difference between illegal and legal :D
12:17:49  <Bjarni> Before a big EU meeting in Denmark, EU wanted us to legalise prostitution... so we did???
12:17:56  <mikk36_> u just cruise through the country at 180km/h and noone cares ? :P
12:18:17  <mikk36_> @ MeusH
12:18:19  <MeusH> mikk36_ we don't have fast enough police cars to pursuit :D
12:18:32  <mikk36_> exactly :P
12:18:46  <Bjarni> not only does this appear to be an EU law rather than a Danish law, but the EU guys, who takes such important decisions appeared to be more interested in getting legal access to prostitutes everywhere
12:18:51  <Gonozal_VIII> the stolen german cars are too fast ;-)
12:18:56  <mikk36_> although i couldn't do it in my car... damn a/t won't go that fast :P
12:19:07  <MeusH> Bjarni, and this is what I especially don't like in EU
12:19:20  <MeusH> they insist on countries approving their stupid laws
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12:19:45  <MeusH> for example every farmer who produces more milk than some norm, must pay punisment fees
12:19:57  <MeusH> but farmers in germany can produce more milk
12:19:59  <mikk36_> yeap
12:20:01  <MeusH> it sucks so much
12:20:08  <Bjarni> you know, they made a rule that you are not allowed to sell cucumbers if they are too curved
12:20:16  <Vikthor> Whole EU agriculture policy sucks
12:20:18  <Bjarni> or strawberries if they are too small
12:20:31  <mikk36_> what about wild strawberries ?
12:20:48  <mikk36_> those <1cm ones
12:20:52  <Bjarni> so the strawberries that grow well in the northern parts of EU are banned because they can never be big enough for selling
12:20:55  <Bjarni> different kinds
12:21:12  <Gonozal_VIII> you shouldn't eat those at all because there could be fox shit on them^^
12:21:16  <Bjarni> mikk36_: likely sold illegally because nobody noticed
12:21:24  <Naksu> prostitution is legal in finland as well
12:21:26  <mikk36_> lol @ GoneWacko
12:21:29  <mikk36_> Gonozal_VIII, *
12:21:36  <Bjarni> he is right
12:21:44  <Bjarni> you need to purify them first
12:21:49  <Bjarni> or risk dying
12:21:52  <MeusH> lol Bjarni
12:21:55  <mikk36_> lol
12:22:10  <mikk36_> the hell i will clean 'em in the woods
12:22:13  <Bjarni> we got very few foxes left because they got some sort of disease that killed most (all?) of them
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12:22:28  <Gonozal_VIII> tapeworm thing
12:22:34  <mikk36_> less risk of getting shitty strawberry now ? :P
12:22:44  <Bjarni> I guess that could be the English name for it
12:22:46  <MeusH> good you, we have a few lynxes and foxes because people kill them
12:23:00  <mikk36_> everything normal here :)
12:23:10  <MeusH> Bjarni, the one Flemming cured?
12:23:20  <Bjarni> we got too many mice because there are too few foxes to eat them
12:23:28  <mikk36_> k, i should get up already (from bed)
12:23:43  <Bjarni> why?
12:23:57  <mikk36_> i dunno.. to eat etc
12:24:14  <mikk36_> and my toes are cold
12:24:14  <Gonozal_VIII> we still have foxes here and badgers and stuff...
12:24:43  <Bjarni> mikk36_: get a better bed. You should be warm in it, not cold
12:25:13  <MeusH> sleep in socks
12:25:15  <mikk36_> i am, but my toes aren't somehow
12:25:24  <mikk36_> they are randomly warn and cold :)
12:25:29  <Bjarni> but if etc is bathroom.... I will not hold you back... or on the other hand, I'm not going to watch your cloth/bed anyway, so what do I care :?
12:25:31  <Bjarni> :P
12:25:47  <mikk36_> lol, right
12:26:09  <Bjarni> 	<mikk36_>	they are randomly warn and cold :) <--- new random seed generator for the map generator?
12:26:31  <mikk36_> nah.. not interested :P
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12:27:42  <Bjarni> new idea. Make you scream, record the sound and generate a seed based on that
12:27:51  <Gonozal_VIII> hehe
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12:28:05  <Bjarni> "now if I put you just over your left knee with this hammer, I will get a lake in the middle of the map"
12:28:06  <mikk36_> why that complicated
12:28:18  <mikk36_> easier way would be to let type people in some word
12:28:28  <mikk36_> and the record the tapping times in thousands of second
12:28:43  <Bjarni> because hitting you is more fun
12:28:50  <Gonozal_VIII> :-)
12:32:50  <Bjarni> just wondering: why would anybody be against the police catching people, who breaks the law?
12:33:14  <Gonozal_VIII> if it's a very stupid law?
12:34:11  <Bjarni> say the police wants to set up a camera next to a school because too many cars are speeding when passing it, why would they not be allowed to do that?
12:34:24  <Bjarni> they aren't in Denmark and I never understood why
12:34:46  <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know for sure but i think they are here
12:35:45  <Bjarni> Denmark should be the only country in EU that got a total ban for police cameras in traffic. They are only allowed to be used if there is a police officer controlling it and not by remote control
12:36:14  <Gonozal_VIII> ok, that's stupid
12:37:30  <Gonozal_VIII> radar speeding camera things should be everywhere where it's dangerous
12:37:49  <Bjarni> so if there is a road with a speed limit of say 50 km/h and a lot of cars drive say 70 or 80, so schoolchildren do not dare to cross it, they aren't allowed to do anything about it unless they assign somebody to keep an eye on the road and then they can only do anything while he is present
12:38:31  <mikk36_> i still let people across the road.. even when i drive at 70
12:39:24  <Gonozal_VIII> you have to if there is a zebra crossing..
12:39:25  <Bjarni> then you are an unusual driver
12:39:54  <mikk36_> driving at 70 and letting people cross the road is not the same as driving at 50 and ignorantly not letting people across
12:40:01  <Bjarni> that's another issue. Most cars fail to stop there
12:40:34  <Gonozal_VIII> i always stop there if somebody wants to cross and it's safe for me to stop
12:40:42  <mikk36_> exactly
12:40:59  <mikk36_> mainly the only thing i break is the speed limit
12:41:03  <mikk36_> i try to obey other laws
12:42:01  <Bjarni> I once failed to stop in driving school. Some kid wanted to cross, but were hiding behind a parked car. I didn't see him before I was like 5 meters away... too close to stop because the car behind me didn't kept a distance, so he would hit me if I stopped
12:42:20  <mikk36_> yeah
12:42:21  <mikk36_> well
12:42:29  <Bjarni> my driving instructor said that it was ok not to stop in that case, but the kid out there got a problem due to the illegally parted car
12:42:36  <mikk36_> these kind of happenings should be forgiven by both police and driving instructor
12:42:49  <mikk36_> yeah
12:42:51  <Gonozal_VIII> i once had a car in front of me that stopped at a zebra crossing.. but not from a safe distance.. slammed in the brakes and i had to do the same... i had enough distance but the car behind me almost hit me
12:43:11  <mikk36_> :)
12:43:18  <mikk36_> happened to me few times
12:43:40  <mikk36_> also.. u have to know ur brakes.. because the one behind u might have bad ones :)
12:43:53  <mikk36_> to know ur brakes to not break too quickly
12:44:20  <Gonozal_VIII> had to, otherwise i would have hit the car in front of me
12:44:53  <mikk36_> i usually break very hard at first, then release a bit (so the one behind me would notice me quicker but after that give him some room to break)
12:45:27  <Bjarni> I once stopped just before I entered a T-cross so I didn't block the road to the right (with cars waiting to get out) and I would not have been able to leave it because in front of me cars were waiting at a red light. The car behind me didn't noticed that I stopped so far from the car in front of me, hit the brakes really quickly in the last sec and used the horn
12:45:30  <mikk36_> so far it's worked nicely in jams
12:47:01  <Bjarni> why would anybody use the horn in that case?
12:47:02  <Gonozal_VIII> i prefer to go by train anyways.. or bus/tram inside the city
12:47:56  <Gonozal_VIII> some way to release the shock?
12:48:15  <Bjarni> we don't have tramlines anymore. In the 60s, the politicians said that everybody would be able to get cars in the future, so they closed them and opened bus lines for the kids
12:48:24  <Bjarni> didn't work out the way they expected
12:48:58  <Gonozal_VIII> wouldn't want to go through a big city by car at rush hour..
12:48:59  <Bjarni> and now traffic is impossible to get through because the roads can't handle that many cars
12:49:47  <Gonozal_VIII> in a tram, even if it's also stuck in traffic, you can always relax
12:50:20  <Bjarni> a tram uses way less space on the road for each person it transport
12:51:09  <Bjarni> so if everybody used the trams, people would not get jammed that often
12:51:13  <Gonozal_VIII> especially if there is only one guy in most cars
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12:51:33  <mikk36_> 2 in the morning.. 1 during the day here
12:52:07  <Bjarni> I tend to drive alone because nobody ever wants to go in the same direction as me
12:52:10  <Bjarni> :(
12:52:26  <Bjarni> if I'm going north, then everybody else appears to go south and so on
12:52:51  <mikk36_> and why are u sad about it ?
12:52:55  <Gonozal_VIII> at least you won't get stuck in traffic then
12:53:06  <mikk36_> at least u got a nice reason to drive alone :)
12:53:59  <Bjarni> I do get stuck in traffic... because the roads are full of people with different origins then me and I don't know any of them, so we can't share any cars
12:54:56  <Bjarni> well, both my environmental and community consciousness tells me not to be so selfish and drive alone
12:54:59  * mikk36_ hasn't owned monthly public transportation ticket for 4 months already :P
12:55:10  <Bjarni> but public transportation sucks where I'm going
12:55:18  <Bjarni> 25 minutes by car
12:55:24  <mikk36_> lucky for u
12:55:40  <mikk36_> if i'm lucky, i get to my moms work with 25 minutes
12:55:46  <mikk36_> when the roads are emoty
12:55:48  <mikk36_> empty
12:55:49  <Bjarni> more than an hour with public transportation and only once every 20th minute
12:56:03  <mikk36_> but when there's traffic... usually 40-50 minutes
12:56:07  <mikk36_> 16km to drive
12:56:57  <Gonozal_VIII> i'm in a small town (900 people), about 10 busses per day here..
12:58:04  <Bjarni> research shows that to get enough people to use public transportation, there have to be one connection every 20th minute or the risk of long waiting time will be so long that people start to figure out alternative means of transportation
12:58:46  <Bjarni> the local railroads are all planning to have a train every 20th minute based on this. The increased level of passengers will pay for the extra trains
12:59:55  <Bjarni> one every 30th minute will make people look at schedules. One every 20th minute will make people just show up and that means that you will also get the people, who will for some reason or another not look at schedules
12:59:55  <Gonozal_VIII> wouldn't here... a train every hour with 3 cars, most of the time almost empty
13:00:37  <Bjarni> that's more rarely than one every 20th minute, so people find other means of transportation
13:00:58  <Bjarni> then again, maybe you just are too few people to allow proper service nomatter how often they drive
13:01:06  <Bjarni> bbl lunch
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13:02:20  <Gonozal_VIII> the station is on the other side of the lake, you have to go there by boat... the boat ride takes about 15 minutes... they would have to use more than one boat if there would be more trains... don't think that they would do that
13:03:18  <mikk36_> pretty 'ouch' location then
13:03:57  <Gonozal_VIII> that's why i have to go by car for shopping and such
13:04:34  <mikk36_> how do i open otts so that i can close the console window after starting the game ?
13:04:38  <mikk36_> ottd*
13:04:39  <Azio> hey chaps :> is "transfer cargo" completely removed from 0.4.8 and other versions? I've had it working, if anybody knows a nightly that supports it at least (even if it is slightly broken) please let me know, thanks :D
13:05:12  <Gonozal_VIII> transfer is not there?
13:06:19  <Gonozal_VIII> aaaand what console window?
13:06:42  <mikk36_> the one i start it from
13:06:47  <mikk36_> with ./openttd
13:06:59  <Gonozal_VIII> <-- windows
13:07:07  <mikk36_> brr
13:08:29  <Gonozal_VIII> i start it through console to with a .bat on the desktop because then it opens at the same size that it had when i closed it...
13:08:49  <Azio> Gonozal_VIII: cargo transfer :D
13:08:51  <mikk36_> erm
13:09:01  <mikk36_> Gonozal_VIII, it does that with usual shortcut too
13:09:05  <Gonozal_VIII> i know what transfer... but isn't that in every version?
13:09:09  <mikk36_> it saves the width and height in the config
13:09:11  <Azio> nope i dont think so
13:09:11  <Gonozal_VIII> no it doesn't
13:09:17  <Azio> transfer doesnt seem to work for me at all now
13:09:28  <mikk36_> it does, Gonozal_VIII :P
13:09:28  <Azio> 0.4.7 seemed to work iirc, but 0.4.8 not any functionality at all
13:09:33  <Gonozal_VIII> not under winxp
13:09:37  <Azio> i do know the functionality has been "troublesome at best"
13:09:38  <Gonozal_VIII> something broken...
13:09:39  <mikk36_> under winxp :P
13:09:52  <Gonozal_VIII> always windowed with desktop link
13:10:11  <Gonozal_VIII> 0.5.0?
13:10:20  <mikk36_> haven't touched it
13:10:23  <mikk36_> in win
13:10:35  <Gonozal_VIII> that was to azio...
13:10:38  <mikk36_> k
13:10:40  <Azio> heh
13:10:41  <Azio> ahh
13:10:42  <Gonozal_VIII> windowed thing is with miniin
13:10:52  <Azio> 0.4.8
13:11:03  <Azio> 0.4.7 had some issues but cargo transfer worked, im sure of it
13:11:15  <Azio> ive had people say "no it didnt actually" but meh, i know im not imagining this
13:11:16  <Azio> heh
13:11:42  <Azio> i remember actually seeing myself get the money for transfers but now it calculates the money and shows me, but its not actually deposited,
13:12:02  <Azio> dont spose anybody at all has a nightly of it that might work?
13:12:09  <Gonozal_VIII> had a version where cargo transfer worked but only where it wasn't realy needed... so everywhere but at stations that accept the transferred goods
13:12:21  <mikk36_> Azio, u will get the money later
13:12:28  <Azio> heh mikk36, really?
13:12:31  <mikk36_> when u take stuff to it's final destination
13:12:38  <Azio> ahhhh really?
13:12:40  <Azio> i didnt notice this
13:12:43  <mikk36_> :)
13:12:46  <Azio> heh
13:12:53  <Azio> mikk36 im not sure if i was getting it at all tbh
13:13:08  <mikk36_> at least it should be that way
13:13:13  <Azio> heh cause i specifically build a point to point
13:13:18  <Azio> and then moved coal in from 3 locations to check
13:13:21  <Azio> no luck so far
13:13:29  <Gonozal_VIII> otherwise you could generate money by transferring stuff from one place to the other and back all the time^^
13:13:39  <Azio> yeah
13:13:41  <Azio> sure
13:13:56  <Azio> so im unloading
13:14:07  <Azio> isnt working well at all :< oh well
13:14:39  <Azio> maybe i can find peace in an enlarged menu gui
13:14:45  <Azio> lol
13:14:47  <Gonozal_VIII> should work, if the cargo still has it's original source stored (from bla)
13:14:53  <Azio> mmm Gonozal_VIII
13:14:59  <Azio> xx tones from yy station
13:15:07  <Azio> thats what ithought
13:15:13  <Azio> was depressing to see 14k a trip gothrough
13:15:18  <Azio> and my last carriers earning 2k ;<
13:15:22  <Azio> on short round trips
13:15:32  <Azio> and no monies reaching bank
13:15:36  <Azio> it must be broke ;D
13:15:37  <Gonozal_VIII> short trips never generated that much money
13:15:54  <Azio> yeah but mikk36 said i should be getting the "transfer money" at the end
13:16:17  <Azio> so instead of 2k i should be seeing like 20
13:16:18  <Azio> heh
13:16:38  <Azio> if that makes any sense at all ;\
13:17:35  <Azio> heh oh well
13:17:37  <Gonozal_VIII> i think the transfer money is the money you would get if that would be the end of transport line... but the time counts on and you get much less money for longer transportation time
13:17:39  <Azio> today i live without transfers :D
13:17:50  <Azio> oh, really
13:17:54  <Azio> maybe dude
13:18:24  <Azio> i still cant get a straight answer from anyone on whether its compiled into 0.4.8 / 0.4.7/ latest betas or nightlies or older nightlies
13:18:24  <Azio> heh
13:18:35  <Azio> maybe ive just got it into my head that this is the problem
13:18:52  <Gonozal_VIII> try 0.5.0
13:19:01  <Azio> heh
13:19:10  <Azio> shucks ill have to reocmpile it on the production server i run
13:19:11  <Azio> heh
13:19:17  * Azio grmbles
13:19:18  <Azio> heh
13:19:36  <Azio> dont suppose theres a stable 0.5.0? :P
13:19:48  <Gonozal_VIII> rc1...
13:20:21  <Azio> heh okies
13:20:22  <Azio> ill give it a try
13:20:31  <Azio> thanks for your help dude
13:20:41  <Gonozal_VIII> np
13:20:43  <Azio> merry christmas
13:21:07  <Gonozal_VIII> thanks, you to
13:21:12  <Azio> :)
13:21:20  <Gonozal_VIII> hmm
13:23:16  <Gonozal_VIII> back to the window thing... i know that it stores the window size and should open it at the last used size.. but it doesn't when launched by a desktop link
13:24:47  <Gonozal_VIII> it does, when i launch it with a .bat with the lines: cd gamedirbla OpenTTD.exe in it
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14:46:40  <Wolf01> i was thinking about optimizing my daylength patch, it is almost all "DAY_TICKS/_patches_daylength", there is a way to divide DAY_TICKS one time for all AND make possible to change it runtime?
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14:50:17  <MeusH> how about making just one change: define DAY_TICKS = what was before / _patches_daylength
14:50:33  <MeusH> instead of adding /_patches_daylength to all DAY_TICKS occurencies?
14:50:43  <Wolf01> because i need to tune it ingame
14:51:06  <MeusH> ok
14:51:18  <MeusH> GetDayTicks()?
14:52:23  <MeusH> what do you actually need?
14:52:37  <Wolf01> have you ever seen the miniIN?
14:52:47  <MeusH> yes
14:52:54  <MeusH> but not recent versions
14:53:19  <Wolf01> ok, i'm the developer of the daylength patch but to mantain better it i need to optimize it a little
14:53:49  <MeusH> by optimizing you mean both speeding up the code and cleaning it up visually?
14:53:50  <Wolf01> (sacro doesn't count as developer of daylength, because he wrote a single line)
14:53:54  <Wolf01> yes
14:54:33  <MeusH> fast code is usually mutually exclusive with nice looking code :D
14:55:09  <Wolf01> what i need is to avoid to patch 1000 files with only DAT_TICKS -> DAY_TICKS/_patches_daylength
14:56:09  <MeusH> if there is no way to tweak a constant (I assume DAY_TICKS is a defined constant), you can leave that changes or use a function like GetDayTicks, which will look nicer, but it will of course take a bit more time
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15:14:55  <Bjarni> that depends
15:14:59  <Bjarni> you could make it inline
15:15:26  <Wolf01> mmmm, what does mean this error?
15:15:27  <Wolf01> In file included from C:/msys/mingw/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/3.4.5/../../../../include/stdio.h:26,
15:15:27  <Wolf01>                  from ai/trolly/../../stdafx.h:6,
15:15:27  <Wolf01>                  from ai/trolly/trolly.c:20:
15:15:27  <Wolf01> C:/msys/mingw/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/3.4.5/include/stddef.h:213: error: syntax error before "typedef"
15:15:28  <Wolf01> make: *** [ai/trolly/trolly.o] Error 1
15:15:43  <Bjarni> then you get nice code and only got the real stuff in one place while optimisation would make nearly the same code
15:15:55  <Rubidium> Wolf01: any local modifications?
15:16:25  <Wolf01> i modified the trolly.c for the daylength patch
15:16:59  <Wolf01> but like the other files i only did DAT_TICKS -> DAY_TICKS/_patches.day_length
15:17:51  <Rubidium> hmm, did you change stdafx.h or add/changed anything before _or_ on line 20 of trolly.c?
15:18:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> no, not the transfer money, the money for the overall trip
15:18:06  <Bjarni> either you made a typo or you did something inside a typedef
15:18:16  <Eddi|zuHause2> *mental note* don't reply to buffer
15:18:29  <Wolf01> nothing of these
15:18:52  <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: have you been drinking?
15:19:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> no, actually
15:19:36  <Bjarni> then that's the problem. You are low on water
15:19:38  <Wolf01> mmm maybe i found
15:19:38  <Rubidium> Wolf01: then I do not know what caused it
15:20:09  <Eddi|zuHause2> actually, drinking alcohol drains you of water
15:20:28  <Bjarni> I didn't ask what you were drinking
15:20:33  <Wolf01> i don't know how it happened, but there is a "f" on the first char of the source, maybe when i pressed ctrl+f
15:20:39  <Bjarni> you just assumed alcohol, but I didn't say that
15:21:08  <Bjarni> Wolf01: that could cause some problems ;)
15:22:02  <Rubidium> so after all, he has changed something before line 20 of trolly.c :)
15:22:38  <Bjarni> looks like it
15:23:09  <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: the joy of language, people may speak the same thing, but it can have completely different meanings
15:23:36  <Wolf01> mmm i think is changed something in the date functions, the daylength has no effect
15:25:38  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, how can i prevent the kernel from turning off DMA each time the hd mentions the slightest kind of error
15:26:29  <Bjarni> replace the HD if it starts to talk about hardware errors
15:26:41  <Eddi|zuHause2> i am rescuing the HD ;)
15:27:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> only on each read error, it disables DMA, it seems
15:27:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> so it copies the good sectors at 1/10th speed
15:28:33  <Bjarni> well... you are not going anywhere
15:28:54  <Bjarni> you can wait a few extra hours for it to complete or you can spend 2 days speeding it up
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15:29:15  <Eddi|zuHause2> well, it's not the problem that it takes ages to copy, but it shuts down DMA on both drives on the IDE
15:29:29  <Eddi|zuHause2> so each other action i might do in the meantime takes ages, too
15:29:47  <Bjarni> don't connect them to the same bus
15:29:48  <Eddi|zuHause2> the other drive contains my root partition
15:30:01  <Bjarni> that would seriously slow down the optical drive though
15:30:07  <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i am kinda out of busses to connect to
15:30:31  <Bjarni> use your old computer to do this
15:30:53  <Bjarni> do I have to tell you everything?
15:31:00  <Eddi|zuHause2> the next older computer cannot understand drives > 32GB
15:31:30  <Bjarni> you are making this complicated :P
15:31:43  <Eddi|zuHause2> that is my speciality ;)
15:32:23  <Bjarni> but... you only got one bus?
15:32:37  <Eddi|zuHause2> no, i have a second bus, but it is already full
15:32:54  <Eddi|zuHause2> you know, i need a disk to copy this stuff to, too ;)
15:33:36  <Bjarni> take the defective HD from bus 1 and place it on bus 2. The HD you removed from bus 2 to make room can then be connected to bus 1
15:33:59  <Bjarni> clever, isn't it?
15:36:44  <Bjarni> hmm, no reply
15:37:01  <Bjarni> maybe he will not admit to being outsmarted :P
15:44:20  <Bjarni> is this thing on?
15:44:25  <Bjarni> I lack feedback :s
15:44:31  <SpComb> Logs:
15:44:31  <Bjarni> !logs
15:44:41  <Bjarni> ok, I didn't lose my connection
15:44:45  <Bjarni> the channel just died
15:50:00  <Eddi|zuHause2> sorry, had to go away
15:50:16  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's christmas, you have to spend time with your family occasionally
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15:51:56  <Bjarni> your what?
15:53:05  <Eddi|zuHause2> you know, the persons that always bug you to finish studying finally
15:55:05  <Bjarni> oh those people
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15:55:54  <Born_Acorn> I can't drink. :(
15:55:59  <Born_Acorn> I'm tonights driver. :(
15:56:20  <Eddi|zuHause2> that is probably bad planning of yours ;)
15:56:24  * Bjarni thanks Born_Acorn for this completely random outburst
15:56:32  <Bjarni> why should we care?
15:56:41  <Bjarni> in fact we prefer you to stay sober
15:56:44  <Bjarni> or...
15:57:08  <Bjarni> well, you aren't here while drinking, so...
15:57:20  <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: do as I do
15:57:38  <Bjarni> never drink
15:57:56  <Bjarni> then it's not a bad event not to drink
15:57:58  <Bjarni> brb
15:58:31  <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: you forget something, for everything you don't do, you need some replacement to do
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16:00:01  <Eddi|zuHause2> and i should not stare on the progress of my copying :p
16:00:59  <Eddi|zuHause2> let's see if i find a boring movie to watch
16:01:46  <Bjarni> back
16:02:17  <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: turn on the TV. If there is a movie, it's a boring movie
16:02:38  <Bjarni> Movies in German, that was not German when being recorderd = boring and lame
16:03:02  <MeusH> we have a proverb "Czech movie"
16:03:19  <MeusH> about something noone can understand; very lame, stupid and/or complicated movie
16:03:44  <Bjarni> hehe
16:03:53  <MeusH> and not only movie
16:03:57  <MeusH> book, event, everything
16:03:58  <MeusH> Czechs also have a proverb like this: "Spanish village"
16:04:09  <Bjarni> reminds me of when I saw the lord of the rings the first time. It was that cartoon thing
16:04:19  <Bjarni> I saw all of it, but never understood any of it
16:04:30  <MeusH> :)
16:04:58  <Bjarni> oddly drawn, odd talk and skipping a lot from the book
16:05:20  <Bjarni> and ended when they entered Moria (thinking back, I presume that it was Moria)
16:06:11  <Bjarni> later I learned that everybody, who read the books flamed this movie big time for being odd and not telling the story
16:06:20  <Eddi|zuHause2> grr... i fucking hate this "feature" of turning off DMA
16:06:26  <Eddi|zuHause2> can't this be disabled?
16:07:01  <Bjarni> why #RIAA and ask if the DMA can be turned off
16:07:03  <Bjarni> :P
16:07:25  <Bjarni> s/why/try
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16:14:41  <CIA-1> rubidium * r7558 /trunk/economy.c: -Fix (FS#464): do not wait till a crashed vehicle is removed before starting to load other vehicles.
16:22:18  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... "Rotkäppchenverschwörung"... let's see if this is any good...
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17:09:23  <MVV> yesterday i've tried to play with my friend by internet but after connection he was on server only 5-7 seconds and disconnected; the reason is my instability of my dial-up or it's possible to change some options to make the game more stable from disconnections?
17:10:04  <Wolf01> net_frame_freq = xxx
17:10:04  <Wolf01> max_join_time = yyy
17:11:10  <Wolf01> max_join_time default is 500 if i'm not wrong
17:11:40  <MVV> and how does it work? (net_frame_freq) what does it mean?
17:12:23  <Wolf01> if you set high, you give more time to join the game (best for slow connections)
17:13:10  <Wolf01> net_frame_freq is the sync packet i think
17:13:23  <Wolf01> or how many packets are sent in one second
17:13:35  <Wolf01> or something else
17:14:53  <MVV> i'll better read README :)
17:16:14  <Wolf01> i use them only if i really need it, or when the dedicated server advert me to do it
17:18:07  <MVV> oh! one more question: option <LAN/inet//inet(adv)> in starting a server determines only visibility?
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17:22:43  <jnmbk> hi, what does --with-iconv do in ./configure ?
17:22:58  <jnmbk> what's iconv :)
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17:25:38  <MVV> net_sync_freq   The amount of frames to check if the game is still in sync. Default value: 100
17:25:52  <MVV> I've found ithis string is EXE :)
17:26:00  <MVV> *in EXE
17:26:24  <MVV> and net_frame_freq  The amount of frames before a command will be (visibly) executed. Default value: 1
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17:28:05  <MeusH> MiHaMiX!
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17:29:16  <hylje> hm
17:29:32  <Wolf01> meush if you have some infos about the ttdpatch eyecandy you should tell it to frostregen
17:29:47  <hylje> would someone arse to implement a re-sync
17:29:57  <MVV> disconnection in 0.5.0 occures bye disonchronization or bacaese of some another reason?
17:30:00  <hylje> ie. not throw desynced player off the server, just force reload
17:31:13  <MeusH> allright
17:32:05  <MVV> as I can remember in 0.4.0 when I played in LAN disconnections didn't occure but only appeared string blinking in the corner ("desync..." or something else)
17:33:00  <Wolf01> another way to avoid desyncs is to avoid moving around the map continuously
17:33:58  <hylje> i havent found moving around desyncing
17:34:19  <hylje> i rarely stay in the same spot for more than a few seconds
17:34:23  <hylje> that's on ottdcoop
17:35:16  <MeusH> Wolf01, keep an eye at
17:36:26  <Wolf01> yes i read there
17:36:47  <Wolf01> so is only a concept for now?
17:38:54  <jnmbk> when is iconv used in openttd?
17:40:43  <jnmbk> and which source file creates the default config file?
17:41:14  <glx> settings.c
17:44:55  <mattt_> any plans to improve signal placement?  like being able to put them on squares with more than on 'piece' of track ^_^
17:45:27  <hylje> you can, but you can only have one type of signal
17:46:11  <mattt_> i get 'no suitable railway track' errors when i try
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17:46:37  <hylje> no, you cant set them on junctions
17:51:01  <mattt_> how do you improve the percentage of good/product shipped?  it seems like my trains are waiting a long time at a particular station, yet the industry they service has a low percentage of goods shipped
17:52:30  <jnmbk> one more question: what is --with-directmusic ? is it useful on linux?
17:52:35  <hylje> mattt_: shorter trains
17:52:37  <hylje> jnmbk: no
17:52:42  <jnmbk> ok
17:53:23  <Bjarni> jnmbk: what would you want it to do on linux?
17:53:38  <mattt_> hylje: so more frequent shipments with smaller volume.. my trains are only 4 or 5 cars long.. i was doing 10 per train for a while but realised that wasn't working so well
17:54:21  <jnmbk> Bjarni: I thought maybe it can play music and there would be no need for timidity :P
17:54:25  <Bjarni> the rating and payment stuff aren't working well because speed is way too important
17:54:47  <Bjarni> jnmbk: no, Cocoa can do that :P
17:55:12  <Bjarni> but then you need to support cocoa
18:00:58  <jnmbk> btw openttd window has an X icon in kde is there a way to fix it?
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18:10:12  <Biff> jnmbk: fullscreen?
18:10:34  <jnmbk> ?
18:11:00  <jnmbk> I'm talking about the icon on the left upper corner
18:11:15  <jnmbk> of openttd window
18:11:50  <jnmbk> Xorg's standart icon is shown there...
18:32:26  <mattt_> what is with the competitors (i assume) going insane with landscaping?
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18:35:15  <Biff> mattt_: only without the new ai?
18:35:27  <mattt_> i'm not sure.. i'm using 0.4.8
18:35:54  <mattt_> i just had to build a ton of rail around an area i was building in because the land was changing a gazillion times per second
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18:40:49  <Biff> mattt_: yup, you can try enabling the new AI
18:40:57  <Biff> which is a bit smarter
18:41:08  <Biff> however it doesnt create rail yet
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18:44:17  <glx> nor planes, nor ships :)
18:44:42  <mattt_> lol
18:45:01  <glx> but it's very good for roads
18:45:07  <mattt_> couple of my trains are loosin moola
18:45:13  <mattt_> dunno why :|
18:45:19  <Biff> moola?
18:45:22  <mattt_> money :P
18:45:46  <Biff> aha
18:46:05  <mattt_> electric just became available
18:46:17  <mattt_> right after i built a huge section of rail
18:48:07  <Biff> ok
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18:53:09  <mattt_> is there a way to 'link' two separate stations which a very near to each other?  should i just link them with a section of unused station?
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18:53:49  <Biff> i dont think you can do that
18:53:50  <MeusH> it's possible with Wolf01|AWAY's patch
18:54:15  <Biff> true
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19:09:13  <Hadez_away> Good evening...
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19:47:14  * Darkvater hates users :(
19:47:30  <Darkvater> I got the following email:
19:47:44  <Darkvater> subject		OpenTTD, russian is not working...
19:47:45  <Darkvater> WTF? O_o
19:47:59  <peter1138> heh
19:48:01  * Darkvater can shoot such users. fucking asshole
19:48:03  <Darkvater> hiya peter1138
19:48:05  <peter1138> hello
19:48:46  <Rubidium> reply with subject: "OpenTTD, Russian $LUSER is not reading readme.txt..." :)
19:49:05  <Rubidium> or isn't it in the readme yet?
19:49:45  <Darkvater> well I told him something along the lines of don't even expect a reply to an email like this and go read
19:50:02  <MVV> I and my friend tried to change language on russian but instead of letters we see only '?'
19:50:24  <peter1138> . . .
19:50:29  * Bjarni unslaps Darkvater
19:50:41  <Bjarni> the mail I slapped you for not sending.... I got it today
19:50:47  <Bjarni> it just lagged for 3 days
19:51:13  <MVV> we use XPSP1
19:51:46  <peter1138> MVV: read the readme file
19:52:19  <MVV> Bjarni use e-mail instead of carrier pigeon :)
19:52:35  <Rubidium> peter1138: it is not documented in readme.txt (yet)
19:52:39  <peter1138> it is
19:52:53  <Bjarni> MVV: issue at the mail server
19:53:22  <Rubidium> ah, somewhere obscure, not really quickly findable though
19:54:45  <peter1138> perhaps someone can put somewhere sensible, and provide a link to it, and instructions on putting it in [newgrf-static]
19:54:46  <Bjarni> we need to improve documentation
19:54:59  <peter1138> after the bit about ttf fonts being prefered, heh
19:55:00  <Bjarni> and I don't mean using MYOB to do it like we once did :P
19:56:48  <Bjarni> I think the solution would be to increase the sprite limit and then always make the game able to access the Russian sprites
19:56:55  <Bjarni> until we do so, people will complain
19:57:09  <Bjarni> nomatter what we do
19:59:44  <Bjarni> <-- something related :P
19:59:46  <Darkvater> Bjarni: russian has nothing to do with the sprite limit
20:00:31  <Bjarni> well, it will use up sprite IDs if we load the GRF and can access those chars in addition to the current ones
20:00:55  <peter1138> $ svn diff | wc
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20:00:57  <peter1138>   11475   97558  636323
20:01:01  <peter1138> o_O
20:01:04  <Bjarni> so in order not to make less sprites available for newgrf, we should not do this until the patch to increase the limit is bigger
20:01:17  <Bjarni> and yes, peter1138 wrote a lot on that feature
20:01:25  <Darkvater> Bjarni: it has NOTHING to do with it, trust me
20:01:41  <Darkvater> peter1138: what's cookin' ;)
20:02:01  <peter1138> Bjarni: you want the patch to be bigger?
20:02:05  <peter1138> Darkvater: sprite limit
20:02:08  <peter1138> Darkvater: as in, none
20:02:11  <Darkvater> and why would anyone want the russian sprites if they can use fonts?
20:02:13  <peter1138> well, 2^29ish
20:02:17  <Darkvater> peter1138: ooooh, nice nice :D
20:02:20  <peter1138> but yes
20:02:38  <Bjarni> <peter1138>	Bjarni: you want the patch to be bigger? <-- only if it's needed to do this right
20:02:39  <peter1138> most of it is static table changes
20:03:17  <Darkvater> peter1138: weren't already symbolic names used there? Or you went some totally different directoin?
20:03:29  <peter1138> hmm?
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20:03:44  <peter1138> well, there are two ways to increase the limit
20:04:25  <peter1138> one is to segment the sprites into features, which is how ttdp does it
20:04:36  <peter1138> the other is to split the palette map off from the sprite id
20:05:20  <Darkvater> so how would that look? struct sprite {int32 id, byte palette} ?
20:05:37  <peter1138> byte palette? hehe
20:05:47  <peter1138> i left a SpriteID as 32 bit
20:06:09  <peter1138> and changed PalSpriteID to { SpriteID id, SpriteID palette }
20:06:13  <Darkvater> well byte would also include recolour, transparency, whatever
20:06:20  <peter1138> (cos palettes are sprites)
20:07:34  <peter1138> anyway, it's "a bit" large :/
20:07:42  <peter1138> and i had to poolise the spritecache
20:07:55  <peter1138> (which was pretty easy)
20:08:41  <Darkvater> hehe, I can imagine, can't keep a few billion static sprite cache
20:08:52  <peter1138> :)
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20:09:03  <Athorium> hi
20:09:08  <MeusH> hi
20:09:09  <peter1138> that bit can be separated off
20:09:16  <peter1138> but it's only about 8KB
20:09:18  <Athorium> hey  MeusH ^^
20:09:40  <peter1138> without newgrfs, only about 6000 sprites are used, so it can save a tiny bit, heh
20:11:02  <peter1138> Darkvater: annoyingly, i've only managed to get up to about 24000 sprites...
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20:12:10  <Darkvater> peter1138: haha :)
20:12:24  <Darkvater> OMG I have to get at 5AM to bring away the old folks :s
20:12:43  <peter1138> you are the reaper?
20:12:52  <Darkvater> tot he airport
20:13:05  <Bjarni> so you got to make old folks flying
20:13:17  <Noldo> give them wings
20:13:23  <Bjarni> that didn't really answer peter1138's question
20:13:31  <Darkvater> so I have to bid you farewell
20:13:41  <MeusH> !seen MiHaMiX
20:13:43  <_42_> MeusH, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel.
20:13:44  <Darkvater> if I don't got to bed within the hour I will be a hazard on the road ;p
20:13:48  <MeusH> ...
20:13:52  <MeusH> !seen MiHaMi
20:13:52  <_42_> MeusH, MiHaMi? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember MiHaMi.
20:13:56  <MeusH> ahhh
20:13:58  <MeusH> !seen MiHaMi*
20:14:00  <_42_> MeusH, I found one match to your query: MiHaMiX. MiHaMiX ( was last seen rejoining #openttd from a netsplit 4 days 9 hours 2 minutes ago (21.12. 11:11) MiHaMiX is still there.
20:14:04  <Bjarni> Darkvater: they are heading for Hungary, right?
20:14:09  <Darkvater> nop
20:14:10  <peter1138> so who wants this 600KB commit? ;-)
20:14:36  <Athorium>  Darkvater
20:14:39  <Bjarni> peter1138: I would not mind downloading it, but I would not like to read it ;)
20:14:41  <Darkvater> well split off the table stuff and the actual changes
20:14:47  <Darkvater> peter1138: still on dial-up?
20:14:50  <peter1138> yeah
20:14:52  <Athorium> Darkvater: u can change my forum post to correct forum section?
20:15:04  <peter1138> it's repetitive though, so should compress well ;)
20:15:12  <Darkvater> Athorium: link?
20:15:22  <Athorium> here or PM?
20:15:30  <peter1138> heh
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20:15:33  <peter1138> -rw-r--r-- 1 peter peter 636323 2006-12-25 20:16 32bitsprite7.diff
20:15:33  <Darkvater> peter1138: we will need to rethink this newgrf-static thing I think
20:15:35  <peter1138> -rw-r--r-- 1 peter peter  60433 2006-12-25 20:16 32bitsprite7.diff.gz
20:15:36  <Darkvater> Athorium: just pate it
20:15:39  <Athorium>
20:15:48  <peter1138> oh?
20:16:02  <Darkvater> gaaaaah
20:16:15  <Darkvater> I closed opera, now all forum posts are read :(
20:16:16  <Darkvater> dammit
20:16:16  <Bjarni> 	<Athorium>	here or PM? <-- it's just one line and you used one line by asking. You could just have written it from the start :P
20:16:23  * peter1138 attempts uploading
20:16:37  <peter1138> Darkvater: ah... i was logged out earlier :(
20:16:37  <MeusH> Darkvater, try goback.php (or something like that)
20:16:41  <Darkvater> Athorium: openttd graphics or ttd graphics?
20:16:42  <Athorium> ¿? Bjarni I no understand what u mean...
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20:17:15  <Bjarni> if you are going to use one line in here anyway, make it include the link in question right away. It would have saved time
20:17:29  <Athorium> Darkvater: Is for OpenTTD at first, but TTDP and OTTD no uses same graphic style?
20:18:08  <Athorium> Bjarni: I posted in other line because I waited Darkvater response...
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20:18:34  <Darkvater> Athorium: I'll move it to ttdp graphics forum. Almost all gfx devvin goes on there
20:18:44  <Darkvater> Athorium: moved
20:18:55  <Athorium> ¿? TTDP? But I have OpenTTD... :S
20:19:24  <Darkvater> OMG
20:19:24  <Bjarni> luckily we share grf format
20:19:32  <Darkvater> Athorium: the gfx format is the same
20:19:38  <Bjarni> bbl
20:19:43  <Darkvater> OMG VS2005 SP1 needs 6GB of free space to get it installed
20:19:51  <peter1138> ouch
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20:20:37  <Athorium> Darkvater: Ah allright, but, when I try to add it on OpenTTD (or a coder) can do it on OpenTTD... no?
20:21:14  <Athorium> what is BS2005?
20:21:19  <Athorium> * VS2005
20:21:28  <Darkvater> Athorium: you can add it to openttd
20:21:34  <jnmbk> - Feature: Add an icon to the SDL openttd executable (r5872), I can't see any icon...
20:21:56  <Darkvater> could be that someone screwed up the installer
20:22:21  <MeusH> talking about installer
20:22:31  <MeusH> are we going to include some kind of font selector?
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20:22:53  <MeusH> or we'll rely on users reading readmes on how-to get utf-8 characters working?
20:23:29  <MeusH> I'm afraid we'll get loads of spam concerning missing chars or problems choosing fonts
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20:23:46  <peter1138> is anyone's bored enough to have a play
20:23:56  <peter1138> i shall now leave my phoneline in peace
20:24:03  <Darkvater> haha
20:24:12  <MeusH> also, peter1138, could you include small.bdf? AFAIK this is the only nice looking small font
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20:25:43  <Darkvater> so, I bid you farewell :)
20:25:53  <peter1138> au reservoir
20:25:55  <Darkvater> MeusH: well at least people will read a readme if it doesn't work
20:25:56  <Darkvater> gn all
20:26:03  <MeusH> goodnight
20:26:12  <MeusH> But i'm not sure about people reading readme
20:26:13  <peter1138> lol, they won't :P
20:26:18  <MeusH> read: people
20:26:22  <MeusH> stupid animals
20:26:26  <MeusH> killing penguins
20:26:30  <MeusH> bastards
20:27:03  <Athorium> someone looked my alternative townbuildnoroads post? :S
20:27:46  <Athorium> MeusH: 90% of people no read the readme :P
20:29:36  <Athorium> uhmmm, hello?
20:30:37  <MeusH> hey
20:31:07  <Athorium> fiuf... MeusH you are coder?
20:31:23  <MeusH> not that good, but let's say I am :)
20:31:35  <MeusH> but not a nfo coder
20:31:41  <MeusH> I'm looking for a nfo coder btw
20:31:55  <Athorium> oh, u are a graphic designer
20:32:20  <MeusH> also
20:33:14  <Athorium> ok, u can give me your opinion about my Renfe 446, I only maded the head, now I making the middle and last wa Gonozal_VIII
20:33:30  <Athorium> * last wagon
20:33:30  <Gonozal_VIII> hmm?
20:33:32  <MeusH> can you give me the link?
20:33:45  <Athorium>
20:34:05  <Athorium> Gonozal_VIII: nothing, this f*** script...
20:34:16  <Athorium> MeusH: is my first graphic design
20:34:17  <Gonozal_VIII> kk
20:34:31  <MeusH> ok
20:34:34  <MeusH> I'll reply soon
20:34:55  <Athorium> ok ^^
20:37:27  <Bjarni> <--- don't do that at home
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20:41:03  <Bjarni> no replies.... maybe you all tried to do stuff like that
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20:43:27  <MVV> heh ... this server OFTC is interesting for such thing that with reconnect it scans a couple of my ports :)
20:43:30  <MeusH> ahh seems I do get it :)
20:43:42  <hylje> MVV: larger networks tend to do that
20:45:25  <Bjarni> yeah
20:45:43  <Bjarni> we are not allowed to do portscans, but if we are big enough, we can do it anyway
20:46:23  <Bjarni> just like if you earn money, you pay tax and if you earn a lot of money, you pay a lot and if you make a fortune, you pay nothing
20:47:18  <MVV> also it's funny that i reconnect to this server in several times faster than to the server which is situated in 150 km from me
20:48:23  <Bjarni> I once connected faster to a server in Stockholm than a server 20 km away from me (and I'm not in Sweden)
20:48:26  <MVV> i suppose it's somewhere in USA ?
20:48:41  <MVV> i am in Ukraine :)
20:48:41  <Rubidium> it's all around the world
20:48:50  <hylje> it depends on the pipe used
20:49:22  <Rubidium> the wonders of round-robin dns
20:49:33  <MeusH> netstat reveals nice things... what's the equivalent command for linux
20:49:34  <MeusH> ?
20:49:40  <MeusH> sorry
20:49:40  <Rubidium> dig
20:49:41  <MeusH> tracert
20:49:47  <Rubidium> traceroute
20:50:09  <hylje> netstat is available for linux
20:50:17  <ln-> Bjarni: fixing -x'ed chmod is obviously a matter of writing a small C program that calls chmod(2).
20:50:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> i think i'm always redirected to when i connect to
20:50:45  <MVV> oh i see there are 7 IP's for
20:50:52  <Rubidium> then your ISP has a broken DNS server
20:50:53  <Bjarni> ln-: well, it would be way easier to to write that line in the first place ;)
20:51:04  <Eddi|zuHause2> "Eddi|zuHause2 ist auf dem Server (Berlin, Germany)."
20:51:21  <Eddi|zuHause2> "MVV ist auf dem Server (Grapevine, TX, USA)."
20:51:51  <Eddi|zuHause2> "Bjarni ist auf dem Server (Vienna, Austria)."
20:52:41  <MVV> Eddi|zuHause2 how did you get this info?
20:52:50  <Bjarni> whois
20:53:16  <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah
20:53:55  <Bjarni> so when I send something, it goes from me to Vienna, then Berlin and then to Eddi|zuHause2, who is in Germany, right?
20:54:07  <MVV> oh excatly :) all is simplier than i thought ...
20:54:26  <Bjarni> it's less logical to go through Texas to reach MVV, who is east of us, not west of us
20:54:56  <MVV> so i've been connected to usa server? (Grapevine, TX, USA)
20:55:23  <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, obviously ;)
20:55:34  <MVV> it's strange why not austria for example?
20:56:03  <Rubidium> because was the first in the DNS list when you queried
20:56:58  <MVV> maybe i realy live in usa but all the people surrounding me lie me? :)
20:57:26  <Bjarni> speaking of bandwidth, I was once at uni and should download from tocows and I should find a mirror. I find one like 50 meters away from the unix server I was connected to. Speed was nice :D
20:58:06  <Rubidium> Bjarni: you aren't running your own mirror of it?
20:58:19  <MVV> so it may have a sense to ping all the seven IP's and connect directly to the fastest ?
20:58:28  <Biff> at school we are 2 hops from NIX =)
20:58:35  <Biff> (norwegian internet exchange)
20:59:13  <Rubidium> MVV: not really, as the round-robin is used to spread the load over all the IRC servers of OFTC
20:59:13  <Bjarni> Rubidium: not the university, but some company close to uni got a mirror
20:59:35  <Bjarni> since that company also happens to be ISP for uni, the bandwidth is rather good
21:00:22  <FlashFF> hey guys, little prob with a server
21:00:51  <FlashFF> i removed a blank company using reset_company #  but now noone can create a company in that spot
21:01:05  <FlashFF> any ideas?
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21:03:38  <Rubidium> FlashFF: any chance it was a (new) AI company?
21:03:51  <Athorium> any coder to test my new creation? :(
21:04:28  <Rubidium> why would you need a coder to test a new creation?
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21:05:08  <mattt_> electric engines have come available but the rail conversion tool won't let me convert the rail
21:05:19  <[gen2]niki> hey
21:05:24  <MeusH> you must use electrified rail conversion tool
21:05:25  <[gen2]niki> how can i enlarge company timeout?
21:05:41  <mattt_> oh right, the train construction has a drop-down, eh?
21:05:44  <MeusH> yes
21:05:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> since september i have been connected to these servers: reticulum (186 times), neutron (32), quasar (7), kinetic (4), nobelium (1)
21:05:48  <[gen2]niki> i hate it that i loose my company everytime i log out and appear hours later. id like to have something of my game -,.-
21:06:18  <MeusH> [gen2]niki, are you a server or a client?
21:06:27  <MeusH> if client, dunno, try setting up a password
21:06:28  <FlashFF> Rubidium: it was in a network game, it was a standard players company, left for ages
21:06:38  <MeusH> passworded companies usually stay alive longer
21:06:48  <[gen2]niki> iam client and use a rootserver for my dedicated game.
21:06:49  <Rubidium> FlashFF: is it resolved when you delete the company again?
21:06:59  <FlashFF> looking at the source, there seems no reason why the reset_company command wouldnt clear it completely
21:07:10  <FlashFF> i cant delete it again, it doesnt exist according to the server
21:07:13  <[gen2]niki> the pwd only lasts 20 timeyears. its my server, it should last forever x-x
21:07:19  <FlashFF> but noone can crreate a new one
21:07:27  <FlashFF> it just sits on 6/6 Registering
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21:08:03  <[gen2]niki> the pwd protection should be changed
21:08:15  <[gen2]niki> like you can register a stuck account for a server if you plan to stay
21:08:19  <Rubidium> [gen2]niki: see the autoclean options in openttd.cfg
21:08:32  <[gen2]niki> hey the maximum is 20 gameyears
21:08:34  <[gen2]niki> thats it.
21:08:36  <[gen2]niki> poof, gone.
21:08:58  <Rubidium> FlashFF: you host the server, right?
21:09:12  <Eddi|zuHause2> switch off autoclean?
21:09:19  <FlashFF> yeah
21:09:26  <FlashFF> and just looked into it a bit more
21:09:28  <[gen2]niki> Eddi that cant be the salvation
21:09:30  <Rubidium> can you save the game, then reload the game and check whether it still happens
21:09:34  <FlashFF> it seems it not to do with tresetting the comp
21:09:40  <[gen2]niki> because.. then the server will be spammed with broken newb companys
21:09:49  <FlashFF> it wont let me create a new company if more than 8 clients are connected
21:10:16  <FlashFF> even if theres space
21:10:39  <Rubidium> hmm, no new companies with 8+ connected clients..
21:11:01  <Eddi|zuHause2> then you should go to, and make a proper feature request, with a detailed explanation on how you want it to work
21:11:28  <Eddi|zuHause2> or better: post a patch that does what you want it to do ;)
21:12:38  <[gen2]niki> thats easy said. a rcon command to protect selected players and companys from timeouting
21:14:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> did i say
21:14:11  <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, i think i did
21:14:20  <Eddi|zuHause2> can someone confirm?
21:14:33  <Eddi|zuHause2> sometimes i am making these things up
21:14:40  <hylje> :o
21:14:54  <FlashFF> yeah thats it
21:14:55  <[gen2]niki> that page sucks. i registrated and got no email for activation
21:15:17  <[gen2]niki> ;p
21:16:34  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... progress is at 26GB... i think this is still gonna take all night...
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21:16:48  <FlashFF> Rubidium
21:17:00  <FlashFF> i just created a local server and ran 10 copies of ottd
21:17:11  <hylje> :o
21:17:16  <FlashFF> and when there was 8 players i created a company  but when there were 9, it wouldnt
21:17:49  <[gen2]niki> 26 GB?
21:17:49  <guru3> 8 companies is the max
21:17:52  <hylje> company limit is 8
21:17:52  <[gen2]niki> o.o
21:17:54  <FlashFF> yeah
21:17:54  <hylje> player limit is 10
21:17:57  <FlashFF> but i mean clients
21:18:06  <FlashFF> if i have 9 people in 7 companies
21:18:13  <hylje> you can have several people in one company
21:18:13  <FlashFF> and 1 person joins, he cant make the last company
21:18:20  <hylje> :o
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21:19:19  <Eddi|zuHause2> [gen2]niki: i am copying data from a (old) failed 40GB HD
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21:20:07  <[gen2]niki> ah =(
21:20:29  <[gen2]niki> do you make a image of it or just copy & paste?
21:20:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> i am using dd directly on the disk
21:21:01  <Eddi|zuHause2> so yes, i am making an image
21:21:02  <[gen2]niki> like i thought ;p
21:21:12  <guru3> viva dd
21:21:12  <hylje> :o
21:21:24  <[gen2]niki> dd even can make images of blue ray discs on ps3
21:21:31  <hylje> :D
21:21:37  <[gen2]niki> its only a question of time until they can be cracked and played
21:22:05  <[gen2]niki> (i dont copy music videos or games, prefer having them legal btw)
21:22:26  <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, i'd have said the same thing in your position :p
21:22:41  <HMage> [gen2]niki: there's more than just data that DD can get. For example, discs have timing information that some Cd/DVD protection mechanisms use.
21:22:46  <guru3> aren't many games for linux :<
21:23:02  <hylje> you got ottd
21:23:08  <guru3> indeed i do
21:23:08  <hylje> and wc3 is really playable on wine
21:23:10  <hylje> what do you need
21:23:10  <[gen2]niki> there are quite many
21:23:15  <Eddi|zuHause2> what's wrong with supertux and frozen-bubble?
21:23:17  <[gen2]niki> but not too many professional games of course
21:23:21  <guru3> dun like wc3
21:23:41  <guru3> let me rephrase, aren't many games to buy for linux
21:24:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> linux and buy do not mix very well
21:24:10  <Athorium> yuhuuu I finished 446 'Dodotis' :D
21:24:14  <guru3> got that right eddi
21:24:26  <[gen2]niki> why?
21:24:29  <guru3> only thing you buy for linux is hardware
21:24:38  <guru3> and you can't download that to begin with
21:24:48  <hylje> download more ram
21:24:49  <[gen2]niki> just because there are no games on linux because they wont bring in portation costs for the companys?
21:24:51  <hylje> :-)
21:24:57  <[gen2]niki> that doesnt mean anything has to be free.
21:25:03  <[gen2]niki> the wierd ideology o.o
21:25:15  <[gen2]niki> and apart from reality ;p
21:25:20  <MVV> i want to live as long life as i need to see the install of OTTD on DVD :)
21:25:28  <hylje> [gen2]niki: mostly its that the game companies are too lazy to make clean binaries
21:25:44  <hylje> that work on all distros
21:25:45  <guru3> curse you lazy game companies
21:25:47  <[gen2]niki> yep
21:25:52  <[gen2]niki> thats why i like doom and unreal
21:26:01  <[gen2]niki> smart companys.. work that portation is no hard job
21:26:06  <guru3> vive id & atari
21:26:09  <hylje> its not that hard to make a statically linked self-contained directory
21:26:14  <hylje> that is thrown to /opt/
21:26:18  <[gen2]niki> but that throws a bad light on blizzard o.o
21:26:37  <[gen2]niki> i dont know how many run w3 with wine and love a clean linux binary
21:26:42  <[gen2]niki> for better speed
21:26:48  <[gen2]niki> probaply thousands.
21:26:49  <hylje> blizzard does most likely have all their games compiling for a generic linux target
21:26:52  <[gen2]niki> same with wow
21:27:02  <[gen2]niki> why dont they publish it then?
21:27:14  <hylje> and a linux native wow is there, unless they forgot to maintain it
21:27:16  <hylje> dunno.
21:27:29  <[gen2]niki> native linux?
21:27:32  <hylje> ive heard some rumours that apple has something with it
21:27:41  <[gen2]niki> i can imagine that the dedicated servers of it are linux
21:27:49  <[gen2]niki> hmm?
21:27:50  <Naksu> well
21:27:59  <[gen2]niki> i mean its a joke in general
21:28:00  <Naksu> the reason why there are no games for linux is quite simple
21:28:02  <guru3> funny now that you mention it, there's dedicated steam servers too
21:28:08  <[gen2]niki> yeah
21:28:12  <Naksu> you cant make a profit even if you take someone else's work and port it
21:28:24  <hylje> how so
21:28:29  <Naksu> loki
21:28:50  <[gen2]niki> only lokis native ports were good
21:28:51  <guru3> loki isn't really porting
21:28:56  <hylje> ive heard loki had some other issues that contributed to its demise
21:28:56  <[gen2]niki> the deus ex port sucked like hell
21:28:59  <[gen2]niki> -.-
21:29:11  <guru3> loki does more installers than anything imo
21:29:18  <Naksu> [gen2]niki: it was never finished
21:29:36  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... out of 30GB it copied, ~1.5MB are failed
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21:30:10  <[gen2]niki> it was just a old cedega version with deus ex
21:30:15  <[gen2]niki> i can do that myself
21:30:23  <[gen2]niki> using a cvs winex with deus ex..
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21:30:28  <HMage> guru3: you're wrong. They were porting games. keyword is 'were', since they're out of business now (got no profits).
21:30:43  <guru3> ah well
21:30:45  <[gen2]niki> i think
21:30:49  <guru3> sucks for them
21:30:53  <guru3> and for ppl that like linux
21:30:53  <[gen2]niki> many companys too extensively stick to directx
21:31:09  <guru3> curse you you directx bastards
21:31:13  <[gen2]niki> i think a german adventure gets a port just because it was easy to port and 200 linux fans preordered it
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21:31:22  <[gen2]niki> that was the dependency of the company to port it
21:31:39  <[gen2]niki> its a lie that it would be too expensive to port. this shows the exact opposite
21:32:00  <HMage> [gen2]niki: sticking to directx is mainly because MSDN lacks clarity on OpenGL.
21:32:00  <[gen2]niki> the game is a lucas arts style adventure in egyptian settings.. got a gamestar game of the year award or something
21:32:35  <HMage> [gen2]niki: not many dev people will go out and seeks the other source for OpenGL docs, they prefer more convinient MSDN for docs.
21:32:38  <Eddi|zuHause2> well, 200 guaranteed preorders at ~40EUR means you can pay a programmer full time to port it
21:32:42  <HMage> go out and seek*
21:33:02  <[gen2]niki> hey
21:33:05  <HMage> Eddi|zuHause2: did you take into account the costs of running a business?
21:33:11  <[gen2]niki> halflife sold.. two million times? no idea?
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21:33:26  <[gen2]niki> how many people have linux and use cedega or switch to windows to play sometimes?
21:33:35  <[gen2]niki> and would like a linux steam? o.o
21:34:52  <[gen2]niki> and HMage i know plenty games with opengl support without native linux port.
21:34:56  <Rubidium> FlashFF: you found a nice bug :)
21:35:00  <guru3> i wouldn't mind a linux steam/hl2 sort of thing
21:36:11  <Eddi|zuHause2> HMage: well, the argument was not really meant to be complete... but it's a pretty good argument if a) these 200 would rather not buy the game instead of ordering a windows copy, or b) the number is insignificant against the expected number of windows sales
21:36:39  <Eddi|zuHause2> (where b) would have to finance the other running costs of the company)
21:37:06  <hylje> they could get nice publicity from a fully featured linux port
21:37:12  <hylje> thus more sales
21:37:23  <[gen2]niki> yeah
21:37:28  <[gen2]niki> because all geeks think:
21:37:29  <hylje> get slashdotted? easily thousands of sales
21:37:33  <[gen2]niki> what a cool company, lets support it
21:37:41  <hylje> especially if the game looks promising
21:37:46  <[gen2]niki> they probaply got slashdotted for that action
21:37:59  <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, you just have to present it to the marketing/sales people nicely, so they would allow it
21:38:03  <[gen2]niki> the game got awards of high-reputation gaming magazines ;p
21:40:26  <[gen2]niki> one question.
21:40:42  <[gen2]niki> if a plane has 90% in out of order rating
21:40:56  <[gen2]niki> why do all planes have burning engines or something within a flight?
21:40:57  <[gen2]niki> -.-
21:41:24  <[gen2]niki> just because the trip is long no every plane from london to new york has burning engines
21:41:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> breakdowns need serious rebalancing
21:41:46  <hylje> its because of the hueg scale in ottd
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21:42:00  <Eddi|zuHause2> rebalancing is planned for 0.6
21:42:04  <[gen2]niki> i mean, okay the game is ment to be hard and has normal as breakdown setting
21:42:05  <hylje> one tile is about two thousand km or so?
21:42:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> so expect that to be changed in the future
21:42:23  <[gen2]niki> good luck, if i can help say it. rebalancing is very hard
21:42:44  <hylje> imbalance :<
21:42:45  <[gen2]niki> o.o iam staff on a mmorpg gameserver and the hardest thing is rebalancing because it seriously takes the longest time
21:43:15  <FlashFF> Rubidium: Wooties how awesome
21:43:37  <FlashFF> i found a horrible, and incredibly painful bug lol
21:44:02  <Eddi|zuHause2> it must not be triggered that often ;)
21:44:43  <FlashFF> :(
21:47:14  <[gen2]niki> i think i know the bug
21:47:17  <[gen2]niki> :o
21:47:29  <[gen2]niki> the bugtracker jabber-activationcode sending doesnt work
21:47:36  <[gen2]niki> maybe cuz iam using gaim
21:47:38  <mattt_> so breakdowns are based on distance traveled while service intervals are based on time?
21:48:19  <[gen2]niki> dunno, this kelling k7 has 90 percent and has a breakdown every flight.. => nearly constant 300 mph...
21:48:29  <[gen2]niki> sry kmh.. instead of 900.
21:48:54  <mikk36> damn, whiskey is good :D
21:49:03  <mikk36> about 0.5L in already
21:49:12  <mikk36> and damn.. hard to keek head steady
21:49:23  <mikk36> keep*
21:49:25  <Tuzlo> and your still ledgible
21:49:36  <mikk36> ledgible `
21:49:38  <mikk36> ?
21:50:17  <mikk36> grr, friends laptop, a bit differend width of keyborad
21:50:55  <mikk36> i'l try to fix all my spelling mistakes.. but u know, don't brag if i have some mistakes
21:51:22  <[gen2]niki> whats the connection of alc and open source games?
21:55:50  <mikk36> alc ?
21:57:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> mikk36: whiskas is not exactly the traditional christmas meal ;)
21:57:35  <mikk36> whiskas ???
21:57:37  <mikk36> i
21:57:44  <ln-> cat food
21:57:49  <mikk36> i'm talking about whiskey
21:58:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, and i was being sarcastic ;)
21:59:13  <Biff> hmm, there are graphic glitches when my eurostar trains drive under tubular brigdes
21:59:45  <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, bridges are known to have graphic issues
21:59:50  <Biff> ok
22:00:02  <Biff> havent noticed before
22:07:51  <MVV> nice english word 'glitch' :) it sounds like our russian shortening of 'hallucination' :)
22:07:53  <Rubidium> FlashFF: should fix your bug
22:08:13  <MVV> and it have almost same meaning :)
22:08:33  <MVV> *sounds ALMOST like
22:10:46  <[gen2]niki> Is there an rcon command to stop breakdowns?
22:10:57  <MVV> dictionary says that it's the same slang words :)
22:10:57  <[gen2]niki> its on normal settings and i want to change it without restarting the server
22:11:15  <Rubidium> isn't there some command to set all the patch variables?
22:11:38  <Rubidium> patch <name> <value>
22:11:45  <MVV> only we pronounce it like 'glook' :)
22:11:52  <MVV> sorry for offtop
22:12:01  * MVV shut up
22:14:56  <Eddi|zuHause2> breakdowns are a difficulty setting, i believe
22:14:57  <[gen2]niki> is there a way to do it? :o
22:15:01  <[gen2]niki> yes they are
22:15:52  <Rubidium> in that case I think it is not possible
22:16:57  <[gen2]niki> i think all planes should have 99.99 breakdown protection, but if there is an accident the whole train explodes
22:17:08  <[gen2]niki> not very family friendly but realistic
22:17:16  <[gen2]niki> argh
22:17:23  <[gen2]niki> the plane explodes ^^ not the train
22:17:27  <Eddi|zuHause2> if a plane has an accident, the train explodes ;)
22:17:33  <Eddi|zuHause2> nice reasoning ;)
22:17:37  <hylje> :>
22:17:39  <hylje> yeah
22:17:55  <Eddi|zuHause2> "night is colder than outside" ;)
22:17:57  <hylje> the plane should look for the closest train
22:18:03  <hylje> and crash into it
22:18:48  <MVV> :)
22:19:57  <MVV> plane will be like UFO :)
22:20:09  <MVV> Undefined Falling Object :))))
22:20:16  <Rubidium> the UFO doesn't crash anything :)
22:21:10  <MVV> mmm it'll be new kind of UFO :) interesting upgrade
22:21:56  <Eddi|zuHause2> 4096 bytes (4.1 kB) copied, 0.000265869 s, 15.4 MB/s <- that is what a good block looks like
22:22:07  <Eddi|zuHause2> 4096 bytes (4.1 kB) copied, 0.00524461 s, 781 kB/s <- that is what a "almost failed" block looks like
22:22:59  <MVV> people, really, i think that OTTD need some cataclysm powerfull lika a flood but uncontrollable like UFO
22:23:46  <MVV> for uncontrollable destroying of towns, industries and your transport :)
22:23:59  <hylje> exterminatus?
22:24:32  <Rubidium> so you would like the fighter that destroys the UFOs fly randomly over the map and drop bombs randomly?
22:24:40  <Eddi|zuHause2> Atomic Bomb (splash damage) ;)
22:24:43  <MVV> meteor ^)
22:24:55  <MVV> oh yes AB :)
22:25:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 10.1708 s, 0.0 kB/s <- this is what a bad block looks like
22:26:36  <MeusH> MiHaMiX! does anyone knows what's up with him?
22:26:57  <Rubidium> serious case of Real Life?
22:27:01  <Rubidium> maybe due to Christmas
22:27:21  <MeusH> do you remember him saying farewell? Like when he's going to be back?
22:27:26  <Eddi|zuHause2> this Real Life seems to be a major epedemic
22:29:05  <MVV> so maybe ... is there any cataclysm in developing ?
22:29:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> like a virus that spreads through the internet...
22:29:15  <Eddi|zuHause2> err... ;)
22:29:17  <MVV> or new kind of UFO etc.
22:29:24  <hylje> pandemic
22:29:27  <Rubidium> MVV: no
22:30:00  <MVV> ^( it is a pity
22:30:40  <Eddi|zuHause2> we need more kinds of serious and less serious desasters
22:30:54  <MeusH> in OpenTTD?
22:31:01  <Eddi|zuHause2> like damaged tracks due to hard rain (causes derailing for fast trains)
22:31:46  <MeusH> Once I've made some disasters, but 1) People usually play without disasters 2) No developer wanted to do "bad things"
22:32:03  <MeusH> I've even made a patch to turn off unreal disasters like UFO
22:32:33  <Eddi|zuHause2> and desasters with random severity... like a derailed train can either go unharmed (simple breakdown, message of injured people), or get completely destroyed (crash, message of dead people)
22:32:34  <MeusH> frankly, I'd like disasters to be turned on by default with no way to disable them.
22:32:43  <MeusH> they are rare, and they do completly no harm
22:32:58  <MVV> it's just become boring when you have rther strong economics
22:33:30  <MeusH> well, I think crashing things is too bad disaster, but other disasters IMO should be turned on with no way to change it
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22:34:24  <Eddi|zuHause2> the game is lacking a "UFO got destroyed" message, i think
22:34:34  <MVV> hmm Eddi|zuHause2 what about ... bridges after some time become unstaile and collapse?
22:35:07  <Eddi|zuHause2> i constantly forget that they were there, and after years i come by and see the track all gone, with trains piling up
22:35:14  <[gen2]niki> or terrorist attacks on houses with YOUR planes (i hope i havent hurt any american patriotic soul here)
22:35:46  <Rubidium> [gen2]niki: that will _NEVER_ be included
22:36:08  <MVV> ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?)) ????
22:36:16  <[gen2]niki> ;p its open source
22:36:19  <MVV> but i'll make such patch :)) gigi
22:36:38  <MVV> yeah
22:36:56  <Rubidium> [gen2]niki: true, but it will _NEVER_ be in openttd, if you want to make a fork, have fun!
22:37:34  <[gen2]niki> hey i wast just playing with thoughts ;p
22:37:39  <Bjarni> bad move
22:37:44  <MVV> people i don't want to hurt your feelings
22:37:46  <[gen2]niki> regarding ttd as realistic transportation simulation ;p
22:37:46  <Bjarni> I wondered about kicking you
22:37:59  <Bjarni> terrorism is a real and really serious issue
22:38:04  <MVV> americans, it's a joke :)
22:38:33  <Eddi|zuHause2> we don't have that many americans here, actually
22:38:50  <MVV> sorry if i said something too bad
22:38:51  <Eddi|zuHause2> but that still does not make the joke good
22:38:53  <Bjarni> I'm not even sure there are any Americans here right now
22:38:55  <MVV> ^)
22:40:00  <Rubidium> it is just that OpenTTD will never add something that has to do with war.
22:40:24  <Bjarni> still, there are people out there, who wants to die and kill as many as possible if they are not true believers (or some other reason, depending on who they are) and they can strike at random
22:41:25  <MVV> oh don't think that i'm so (... who wants to die and kill....)
22:41:46  <[gen2]niki> there are also democratic nations who put in dictators in other nations o.O and i spoked of random accidents and not of actions planned by the player
22:41:56  <Bjarni> I didn't say that, but I think you don't realise what this issue is to live with in real life
22:42:00  <Ailure> openTTD have terrorists
22:42:04  <Ailure> they're just disguised as aliens
22:42:33  <Ailure> funny how the blasts dosen't destroy trains
22:42:39  <[gen2]niki> then you cant build in exploding trains or planes because its somethign real life?
22:42:39  <Ailure> when a UFO get blown up
22:43:05  * Bjarni thinks [gen2]niki totally misses the point here
22:43:16  <Bjarni> this have to do with harming people on purpose
22:43:39  <Bjarni> a train hitting a car in a crossing is an accident
22:43:49  <Bjarni> well, most of the time
22:43:58  <Athorium> OpenTTD need a disaster: derailment of train
22:44:03  <Bjarni> yeah
22:44:18  <Bjarni> and runaway trains
22:44:30  <Ailure> I think openTTD needs more disasters as well
22:44:35  <Athorium> OpenTTD can make velocity control signals
22:44:36  <Ailure> maybe some rare but more fatal disasters
22:44:43  <Ailure> a aircraft crashing once a month isn't fun
22:44:48  <Ailure> but something fatal every tenth year might be
22:44:55  <Biff> if trains would start crashing at random it would be impossible to play
22:44:58  <Bjarni> I laughed at the bug where somebody managed to get a wagon to leave a rail depot without a locomotive and asked "did it go downhill?"
22:45:22  <Athorium> is possible to make a velocity control signals?
22:45:25  <Biff> when you have large networks and many trains it would happen to often
22:45:35  <Bjarni> Athorium: everything is possible
22:45:39  <Ailure> there could be a rate
22:45:43  <Athorium> it's can be very useful to control traffic with different speed trains
22:45:44  <Ailure> so it's really really rare
22:45:53  <Bjarni> the question is if we want to spend enough time on each feature
22:45:53  <Ailure> and that even with laot of trains it dosen't happen often
22:46:03  <Ailure> same for breakdowns
22:46:09  <Ailure> I wouldn't mind breakdowns if they were less rare
22:46:13  <Athorium>  Bjarni uhmm OpenTTD pending list? :P
22:46:30  <Biff> Athorium: why, all trains usually have the same speed
22:46:31  <Bjarni> some of the ideas some people show up with sounds like rewriting most of the game and that's why they aren't done... they take too long
22:46:35  <Biff> or about the same speed
22:46:39  <Eddi|zuHause2> Athorium: a signal rewrite with more possible options is already pending ;)
22:47:08  <Ailure> I could always make some joke disaster if i'm bored enough
22:47:11  <Eddi|zuHause2> btw:
22:47:12  <Athorium> Biff no, I have trains with 55 Km/h electrics and 122 Km/h steam train... and electrics makes a traffic jam
22:47:17  <Ailure> such as every tile on the map exploded
22:47:26  <Biff> Athorium: why do you have those?
22:47:27  <Ailure> so the whole landscape is just dirt
22:47:32  <MVV> can anybody give some link to example of using complex train system with different kinds of signal because i can't understand meaning of most of signals such as pre-signals and theirvarieties
22:47:49  <Athorium> Biff for different uses, some steam freight, electrics for passengers...
22:47:53  <Biff> MVV: you can have a savegame?
22:47:54  <Bjarni> we will eventually get PBS back in a version where trains and signals "talk" with each other and then an addition of speed depending signals could be introduced
22:48:02  <Ailure> MVV, looked in the manual already?
22:48:19  <Bjarni> like green, but the next signal is red, so slow down to try to prevent a complete stop
22:48:26  <Ailure> Your best bet is probably turning on a cheat and play around with them until it sticks
22:48:37  <Athorium> ah, I finded a bug in PBS. but I don't know how to explain...
22:48:37  <Ailure> ah
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22:48:49  <Ailure> I remember someone making a yellow signal
22:48:50  <Ailure> heh
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22:49:16  <Ailure> well anything for increased realism is good
22:49:19  <Bjarni> yeah, but with more advanced signals, they can actually make sense
22:49:34  <Ailure> even if 600 km/h > 0 km/h in a few milliseconds is pretty funny
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22:49:39  <Athorium> I think that speed signals can be a good feature for realism... :)
22:49:43  <Bjarni> Ailure: I got a question for you
22:49:55  <Ailure> hmm?
22:50:08  <Bjarni> on Swedish roads, some of them got like an extra "half lane" next to them
22:50:12  <Bjarni> what is the purpose?
22:50:28  <Ailure> I think it's for emergency purposes
22:50:32  <Bjarni> I noticed that some (specially busses and lorries) drive there
22:50:50  <Ailure> hm
22:50:53  <Bjarni> you got a driver's license?
22:50:57  <Ailure> nope
22:50:59  <Ailure> that's the thing
22:51:10  <Bjarni> maybe I should find somebody else to ask :p
22:51:12  <Ailure> Though I should have gotten it years ago
22:51:24  <Bjarni> parents too cheap?
22:51:25  <Ailure> but i really don't want a car for now
22:51:29  <Ailure> eh nah
22:51:32  <Ailure> it's mostly myself
22:51:35  <Ailure> I did some basic training
22:51:43  <Ailure> but then started college and got busy
22:52:07  <Bjarni> you see, I did it with perfect timing so I got it just before I got really busy
22:52:15  <Ailure> basic training = driving with my dad who got a license for training me to drive or something
22:52:19  <Ailure> heh
22:52:30  <Ailure> there were a such course in my upper secondary school
22:52:45  <Ailure> optional, but way too popular
22:52:49  <Ailure> so it was hard to get a place
22:53:13  <Eddi|zuHause2> in germany, teaching to drive must be done by professionals
22:53:21  <Bjarni> same here
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22:53:38  <Bjarni> sometimes you can question how professional they are though :P
22:54:02  <Ailure> I think it's enough that you had a driving license for a certain amount of years here
22:54:12  <Biff> compared to here in norway, german driving schools are excellent
22:54:20  <Ailure> but I can't home-school everything
22:54:25  <Ailure> I have to do the tests on a real school
22:54:30  <Biff> the germans actually knows how to drive
22:54:45  <Ailure> my dad would object to that
22:54:47  <Ailure> :P
22:55:12  <Ailure> Hmm, damn.
22:55:14  <Biff> oh?
22:55:23  <Ailure> I think I should go and get some sleep
22:55:27  <Ailure> midnight and i'm getting tired.
22:55:33  <Eddi|zuHause2> that's often the thing with germany... the people know exactly how things are supposed to work, but they break the rules on purpose ;)
22:56:04  <Ailure> and germans looks down on the game industry as the work of the evil or something
22:56:14  <Ailure> at least that's what a... friend who lives in germany tells me.
22:56:28  <Biff> Eddi|zuHause2: could be
22:56:29  <Bjarni> I heard a story about a tourist in Germany. He rented a car and since it was not his car, he didn't care about speeding. He would never see the pictures or get fined because he would have left the country before the police could manage to find him. When he handed in the car, the police was present and had a whole photo album and a somewhat big collection of speeding tickets
22:56:43  <Biff> but a german would go mad after one day in norway
22:57:11  <[gen2]niki> any more problems about germans? >:-c
22:57:23  <Bjarni> a German could go mad after one day in Germany, so what is the point?
22:57:35  <Bjarni> [gen2]niki: yeah, they speak German :P
22:57:59  <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, bloody germans, fuck them :p
22:58:00  <[gen2]niki> atleast we have fair alcohol prices, unlike scandinavian countries
22:58:14  <Biff> [gen2]niki: where?
22:58:20  <[gen2]niki> eddi is prolly austrian or swiss ;p
22:58:37  <Eddi|zuHause2> no, Gonozal_VIII is austrian
22:58:44  <Bjarni> no, Eddi|zuHause2 is in Germany fucking Germans
22:59:24  <Bjarni> I would not want to know what the word "bloody" were doing in that sentence... maybe he is into such things
22:59:39  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... 1GB to go... i have a feeling this one takes forever
22:59:50  <MVV> oh yeah .... 20mln or russian soldiers ...
23:00:10  <[gen2]niki> thats 60 years ago
23:00:11  <Bjarni> MVV: ???
23:00:12  <[gen2]niki> o.o
23:00:18  <MVV> WW2
23:00:27  <[gen2]niki> most of our veterans are dead or in retirement castles
23:00:32  <MVV> fucking germans :)
23:00:58  <Bjarni> one thing is for sure about WW2. If Germany had won, then there would not be an Israel-Palestine issue now
23:01:12  <MVV> my grandfather was on that war
23:01:28  <Eddi|zuHause2> most of our grandfathers were in that war
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23:01:34  <[gen2]niki> my gramp too ;p he survived russian military prision
23:01:38  <[gen2]niki> yep.
23:01:46  <Bjarni> my grandmother was in the resistance
23:01:52  <Eddi|zuHause2> my grandfather was in texan military prison
23:01:57  <MeusH> Bjarni: maybye you know what was Hitler's view on Muslims?
23:01:59  <[gen2]niki> in texas?
23:02:00  <[gen2]niki> :O!
23:02:10  <MVV> ^)))
23:02:24  <Bjarni> but due to security, she knew very little. She just walked around town during the daytime bringing food supplies to people, who had to hide
23:02:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> i guess it was better than russian...
23:02:52  <[gen2]niki> most likely.. ive seen photos my grandpa took on his war journey
23:02:52  <[gen2]niki> o.o
23:03:00  <[gen2]niki> did you know they had cannons on giant locomotivesß
23:03:03  <MeusH> Bjarni: even this was a good reason to kill someone
23:03:18  <MeusH> [gen2]niki, yeah, these were huge and amazing cannons
23:03:32  <[gen2]niki> not amazing o.o but technically interesting
23:03:36  <MVV> i imagine germans who go to russia through texas :)
23:03:46  <Bjarni> <MeusH>	Bjarni: maybye you know what was Hitler's view on Muslims? <--- Himmler suggested that Germany should convert to Islam so the soldiers could die for Allah, so they would go into suicide missions. Hitler and the other people at the top disagreed and Himmler lost his influence
23:04:00  <Eddi|zuHause2> my granfather also left stalingrad with one of the last planes
23:04:00  <MeusH> three locomotives must have been stopping the train after firing a single shot, a projectile weighting several tons
23:04:04  <Eddi|zuHause2> after he got injured
23:04:17  <MeusH> thanks Bjarni
23:04:31  <[gen2]niki> germany had suicide missions anyways
23:04:39  <Bjarni> yeah
23:04:45  <[gen2]niki> its a fact though most people dont know
23:04:48  <Bjarni> they would not gain anything from converting
23:04:51  <[gen2]niki> they always have kamikaze in mind
23:04:56  <Bjarni> in fact I think it would have backfired
23:04:57  <Eddi|zuHause2> "one man torpedos"
23:05:09  <MVV> my grandfather was in Sebastopol, there were 2 cannonns 20meters lenght and the shell was 1.2m id diameter
23:05:24  <MeusH> MVV: do you remember its weight?
23:05:36  <MVV> no
23:05:42  <Bjarni> AFAIK nobody in my family actually fired a single shot during the war
23:05:48  <MVV> i have foto in albums
23:05:51  <[gen2]niki> i think ww2 runs in danger that people dont think about it anymore just because the people die and you think: it was 60 years ago, whats the deal
23:06:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> my grandfather lost two brothers in the war
23:06:26  <MeusH> MVV: the biggest train cannon was Dora with a calliber of 80cm - less than 1.2m
23:06:32  <Bjarni> 	<[gen2]niki>	i think ww2 runs in danger that people dont think about it anymore just because the people die and you think: it was 60 years ago, whats the deal <-- what would you want us to do about it?
23:06:50  <Bjarni> unite all countries so we get civil wars instead of wars between countries?
23:06:59  <Eddi|zuHause2> start another war that people can talk about ;)
23:07:10  <Bjarni> that appears to be the EU idea when they claim that they will stop all European wars
23:07:18  <MVV> that 2 cannons were defending Sebastopol for a long time but gemans accupied one of the cannons are fired in another one do destroy it
23:07:25  <[gen2]niki> spread knowledge that it comes back into people minds o.o
23:07:46  <[gen2]niki> i mean we are in a nuclear age.
23:08:01  <[gen2]niki> world wont look as good as it looked after the last if there is another
23:08:01  <MeusH> wiki: Some projectiles weighted 7.1 ton
23:08:16  <MVV> MeusH 'll find in internet excact info and inform you
23:08:36  <MeusH> one projectile dug 100 meters into ground, broke a gelbet roof and exploded
23:08:45  <MeusH> hmm... is it gelbet?
23:08:55  <Bjarni> [gen2]niki: so if we inform say all Germans about this and France gets upset at Germany and wants revenge, what would it help Germany when France starts to bomb Germany?
23:09:01  <Eddi|zuHause2> what's a gelbet supposed to be?
23:09:11  <Bjarni> it's a theoretical issue
23:09:17  <[gen2]niki> ehm..
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23:09:28  <[gen2]niki> Its common knowledge in france
23:09:30  <[gen2]niki> ;p
23:09:40  <[gen2]niki> there are still regions who germans wont get served in restaurant
23:09:45  <[gen2]niki> *where
23:10:00  <[gen2]niki> argh
23:10:05  <Bjarni> everybody in Germany knew about WW1, yet they went into WW2
23:10:23  <MeusH> I meant... reinforced concerte
23:10:25  <[gen2]niki> yeah because propaganda told them
23:10:26  <MVV> americans likes to hide true info about russian war equipment :) it's true :) believe me :) i watch sometimes american tv-programs and they are veeery funny :)
23:10:32  <[gen2]niki> it wasnt their fault that it was a loss
23:10:35  <Tuzlo> what year do interontinental airports come into play?
23:10:47  <MeusH> Eddi|zuHause2, we call it zelbet = short of zelazobeton = iron+concrete
23:10:53  <MeusH> brb
23:10:58  <Tuzlo> MVV like glorifying themselves
23:11:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> ah... "Stahlbeton"
23:11:07  <[gen2]niki> WW1 was glorified
23:11:38  <Bjarni> WW1 was the war where everybody were attacked and had to defend themselves... really odd start of a war
23:11:55  <Eddi|zuHause2> i believe one of the main causes of WW2 was that the allies tried to suppress germany after WW1
23:12:11  <Bjarni> most likely
23:12:22  <Eddi|zuHause2> they did not make that mistake twice ;)
23:12:41  <Bjarni> the NaZi party gained power due to problems like lack of jobs, that were made worse by allied suppression
23:12:51  <[gen2]niki> + WW1 was rather a european war
23:12:59  <[gen2]niki> if you ignorethe fact that it was fight for colonies
23:13:30  <Eddi|zuHause2> "if you ignore all global influences, WW1 was really a local issue" :p
23:13:59  <Bjarni> WW1 was a world war since Europe controlled the planet through it's colonies (except USA and Mexico, who ended up playing a role anyway)
23:14:16  <Bjarni> lol @ Eddi|zuHause2
23:14:57  <Eddi|zuHause2> well that is what [gen2]niki's proposition sounded like ;)
23:15:47  <Tuzlo> both wars were statred due ti indifferences in the Europes
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23:16:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> what's an indifference supposed to be? the opposite of a difference?
23:16:33  <Bjarni> according to USA, the Japanese made an unprovoked sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, while they did so because USA was behind a complete oil buycut to prevent Japan from getting oil. It was part of a plan to protect their new line to gain oil (gained though another attack on Indonesia at the same time)
23:16:48  <MVV> f%cking dial-up....
23:16:49  <Tuzlo> germans may have drawn the atten=tion but they did not necessarily start the wars, they sure did play a huge part though
23:16:52  <Bjarni> but Japan lost and we learn the American version in the history books
23:18:03  <Bjarni> Germany gained old German land and was willing to fight against everybody, who would stop them
23:18:08  <Bjarni> in WW2
23:18:30  <Eddi|zuHause2> some conspiracy theories tell that american government knew about the upcoming attack on perl harbour, but needed a shock for the public to have them support the war
23:18:33  <MVV> i remember japan plans in ww1 to concuer all the asian russia till to ural for several months :)
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23:19:21  <Eddi|zuHause2> i do not remember japan being involved in WW1
23:19:22  <[gen2]niki> gnight ppl :D
23:19:23  <Bjarni> all the aircraft carriers stationed at Pearl Harbour were at sea when the planes attacked, so they were unharmed
23:19:35  <Eddi|zuHause2> there was a russia-japan war a few years earlier
23:19:44  <MVV> yeah they knew about it like england knew about bombing their city, where germans killed almost all of people of this city (i don't remember it's name)
23:19:57  <Eddi|zuHause2> that's Coventry
23:19:58  <Zavior> In the end USA's losses in pearl harbour were minimal compared to japans
23:19:59  <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2>	i do not remember japan being involved in WW1 <-- I think they were in one of their periods with a lot of civil war
23:20:04  <MVV> oh i did mistake
23:20:07  <MVV> WW2 !
23:20:11  <MVV> ^)
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23:20:48  <Bjarni> that's one German down
23:21:03  <Bjarni> now we need to gang up on the other one and we have won the war in this channel
23:21:42  <Eddi|zuHause2> there are more germans other than me here ;)
23:22:12  <Bjarni> they are asleep. They aren't dangerous until tomorrow
23:22:23  <MVV> ^))
23:22:32  <Bjarni> which leaves us a lot of time to do our duties
23:22:55  <Bjarni> the question is... do we really want to do this?
23:23:01  <Eddi|zuHause2> grr... this last GB is really taking forever
23:23:14  <Bjarni> :D
23:23:20  <Bjarni> my sabotage worked
23:23:31  <Bjarni> you are inactive for way longer now
23:23:55  <Eddi|zuHause2> the world cannot survive without germans
23:24:03  <Bjarni> why?
23:24:12  <Eddi|zuHause2> because i say so ;)
23:24:23  <Bjarni> oh now I know
23:24:28  <Bjarni> you got Märklin
23:24:30  <Bjarni> damn
23:24:33  <Bjarni> new plan
23:24:37  <Eddi|zuHause2> right ;)
23:24:53  <Eddi|zuHause2> you only got Lego ;)
23:24:56  <Biff> hehe
23:25:02  <Biff> i need the german cars :o)
23:25:34  <Eddi|zuHause2> see, everyone got something that depends on germans ;)
23:26:06  <Bjarni> we could gang up on MVV instead. He is alone and he got an important territory. There are oil in that region
23:26:08  <MVV> hmm i don't have anything ...
23:26:17  <Tuzlo> anyone know what year the Intercontinental airports are available
23:26:18  <MVV> ^))))
23:26:27  <Biff> Tuzlo: the wiki knows
23:26:40  <Bjarni> hmm
23:26:40  <MVV> and iron and marganeze
23:26:40  <Tuzlo> k, I looked for the manual yesterday and it was old
23:26:48  <Eddi|zuHause2> something like table/airports.h ;)
23:26:56  <Bjarni> MVV: what specific country are you in?
23:27:00  <Bjarni> I forgot :s
23:27:10  <MVV> and very good chernozem
23:27:15  <MVV> Ukraine
23:27:18  <Bjarni> right
23:27:27  <Bjarni> then you got prostitutes as well
23:27:41  <Eddi|zuHause2> they only got boxers, and corrupt politicians
23:27:43  <Bjarni> or used to have them.... they are smuggled over here :(
23:28:02  <MVV> in the WW2 Ukraine as i know was the second by the amount of killed people
23:28:24  <Bjarni> yeah
23:28:28  <Bjarni> you are a red country
23:28:31  <MVV> corrupt politicans is due to americans !!!
23:28:44  <Bjarni> explain
23:28:53  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's not like the americans invented corrupt politicians
23:29:01  <MVV> USA gives a lot of money to orange government
23:29:06  <Bjarni> they got plenty though
23:29:37  <MeusH> tell me more MVV. I know about america's dirty game concerning Iran, but I haven't heard much about Ukraine
23:30:16  <MVV> USA invested milliards of dollar personally to Ushenko to involve them into transforming the government into 'orange'
23:30:20  <Bjarni> USA claims it's to even out the advances for the other wing that get money from Russia
23:30:22  <Eddi|zuHause2> i could think that USA are interested in establishing some power against russia
23:31:01  <Bjarni> USA is too obsessed with the communism thing
23:31:13  <MVV> ohhh MeusH USA did a loooot to decrease  our internal stability
23:31:42  <Bjarni> USA acts like they own the world
23:31:49  <MeusH> MVV, are you orange or blue?
23:31:50  <MVV> yeah USA drags us into NATO but our people don't want it
23:31:51  <Bjarni> they "only" own half of it
23:32:11  <MVV> blue but only in political sense :)
23:32:13  <MeusH> or you try not to get involved in that?
23:32:17  <MeusH> mhm
23:32:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> they recently learned that they do not "own" germany anymore
23:32:23  <Bjarni> what's wrong with NATO?
23:32:32  <Eddi|zuHause2> i think that was a pretty punch in their face
23:32:50  <MeusH> what do you mean by political sense? that you're with communists? or you're with socialism but not with communists?
23:32:56  <Bjarni> they protect us from attacks from Communistic Poland.... wherever that went :P
23:33:08  <MeusH> :p
23:33:16  <Tuzlo> The situation with Iran wasnt really over nuclear power. It started with Iran wanting to start an oil trading circle based on the EU...... Not nothing to worry about?????? Wrong. The current Oil trading is done in US dollars, to buy oil you must first buy US dollars, over inflating the real price of a Green back. If Iran were to succeed with what they were planning, it would have driven the US Dollar through the floor in no time at all. And rumour h
23:34:06  <MVV> 80% or more don't want to go nito NATO but Ushenko being sponsored by USA drag us into it 4 he don't want to listen our government and our peoplr4 he does only what USA said him and his party to do
23:34:24  <MeusH> intresting. so if Iran managed to finish the pipeline, more transactions would be done in Euros?
23:34:27  <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, USA are probably in big fear of oil trade being done in EUR
23:34:57  <Bjarni> Iran just announced that they switched to EUR for all international transactions, no USD anymore
23:35:05  <Tuzlo> of course they are, the dollar would be worthless
23:35:23  <MVV> i'm neither socialist nor communist4 there is a 'center' party 'Party of Regions' or 'Regions' Patry' 4 i think this party must rules our country
23:35:29  <Eddi|zuHause2> it probably already has a reason that the dollar dropped like that in the past few years
23:36:22  <Tuzlo> well, thats because their deficit keeps increasing and other countries are reducing their debt... Also US is a net importer of Oil,, and oil is on a roll
23:36:27  <MVV> oh i can tell much more about our political situation but i cann't 'speak' in English so quickly
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23:36:32  <MeusH> yeah, dollar dropped very low. Electronics are cheap, oil is cheap... even with horrendous tax, oil is cheap
23:36:45  <MeusH> MVV, do you know polish a bit?
23:36:54  <MVV> no
23:37:15  <MVV> are you from Poland? :) or why do you ask?
23:37:25  <MeusH> yeah, I'm from Poland
23:38:15  <Bjarni> oil is really expensive
23:38:26  <MeusH> Thanks Tuzlo for that info. That all makes perfect sence now! Do you have some links or directions where can I learn more?
23:38:27  <Bjarni> it's like 6-70 USD/barrel
23:38:28  <MVV> i know Russian - its my native language, Ukrainian and English a bit after finishing  school (we have a lot of English in it)
23:38:44  <Tuzlo> oil is expensive anywhere, and over priced. Driven up by retiremetn fnud investments, dont expect it to drop soon
23:39:16  <Tuzlo> MeusH: I read that a while back some on CNN, some on some other web sites
23:39:23  <Tuzlo> the Euro one was on CNN I think
23:39:40  <MVV> MeusH it is a pity but it is very hard to find truth in massmedia4 only common people can bring truth i( if they are not stupid)
23:39:41  <MeusH> whoa, I thought CNN keeps up with that sick goverment
23:39:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> i heard that eastern european countries often have german as first foreign language over english
23:39:47  <Bjarni> it would be interesting if more people would do as we do: use green power production. We got 28,5% of our power from non-fossile fuels, like wind energy
23:40:01  <Bjarni> the rest is mainly from coal
23:40:15  <Tuzlo> Bjarni: some countries are starting to mandate it
23:40:17  <Bjarni> we use very little oil in power production
23:40:20  <Tuzlo> only a few though
23:40:33  <MVV> yeah german is a second language here after english
23:41:37  <Eddi|zuHause2> and taking eastern countries into EU made german the 2nd most spoken foreign language (after english and before french)
23:41:48  <Eddi|zuHause2> it is already the most spoken first language
23:41:55  <MVV> with time all schools here become ukrainian and they stop lessons of russian language but near 75-80% of us speak Russian
23:41:57  <Bjarni> I read that a car company said that they could build a car, that goes twice as long on the same amount of fuel, but then the top speed would be 100-120 km/h and people would not want that.... I don't remember being asked
23:41:58  <MeusH> Bjarni: we get over 90% of power from coal
23:42:28  <Bjarni> MeusH: Polish coal is rather good quality and you can get it fairly cheap, so I'm not surprised
23:42:29  <Tuzlo> woot got 0 million in my game
23:42:39  <Eddi|zuHause2> low-fuel-cares are heavily lobbyed against by the oil industry
23:42:45  <MeusH> Bjarni: interesting about that car company
23:42:53  <MeusH> do you remember case of fanless processor?
23:43:12  <MeusH> it was ages ago, but anyway, processor was so good that it didn't need a cooling fan
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23:43:18  <MVV> so let me do conclusion
23:43:22  <MeusH> but people didn't want to buy it
23:43:25  <Jango> anyone french here?
23:43:30  <MVV> about today's political situation here ...
23:43:33  <MeusH> so the company put a fan just to make noise
23:43:43  <Bjarni> Jango: go ask for sexual favours somewhere else
23:43:46  <MeusH> and suddenly people started buying it
23:43:52  <MeusH> MVV, go on
23:44:07  <Jango> Bjarni, sounds like you're fantasising about something already
23:44:16  <Bjarni> heh, I would totally go for a fanless CPU. I hate the noise
23:44:21  <Eddi|zuHause2> go get a room you two...
23:44:26  <Bjarni> lol
23:44:32  <Bjarni> no
23:44:51  <Bjarni> since he is in here, he is a he (or ugly). I reject both cases
23:45:03  <Jango> i could be neither
23:45:25  <Bjarni> with a name like Daniel???
23:45:28  <Jango> ah, true
23:46:47  <glx> [00:43:37] <Jango> anyone french here? <-- why?
23:47:06  <MeusH> Bjarni: the worst thing is that our only nuclear reactor(s) (one or two) belong to scientistics. Only a few people are afraid of (im)possible breakdowns, and they are so stupid that they don't know Poland is surrounded by nuclear reactors so close to the border
23:47:42  <Bjarni> we closed down our 3 test nuclear reactors and they are being taken apart
23:47:42  <MeusH> it's a great loss we're forced to rely on russian gas etc
23:48:06  <Bjarni> and due to political work, we got Sweden to close a nuclear plant placed too close to the boarder
23:48:06  <MeusH> by scavengers or legally?
23:48:11  <Bjarni> legally
23:48:30  <Jango> right, gn
23:48:35  <MeusH> goodnight Jango
23:48:44  <MeusH> MVV, you said you're going to conclude
23:48:49  <Bjarni> they are measuring each piece for radioactivity and they classify them for how dangerous they are before they leave the area
23:48:49  <MeusH> was ... a conclusion? :p
23:49:00  <Eddi|zuHause2> there was a huge political discussion about opening a reactor right behind the border of tschechia
23:49:16  <MeusH> where are you from Eddi|zuHause2
23:49:19  <MeusH> ?
23:49:23  <Eddi|zuHause2> germany, still
23:49:28  <MVV> USA don't want Ukraine to unite with Russia like Belorussia almost done it in some spheres; that's why USA does it's agitating making our nationalistic organizations more active to destabilize our economy to make us not attractive for foreign investments; people of Ukraine mostly want to be united with Russia, Belorussia and Kazakhstan but political branches that have foreign investments make all possible to make our borders with other countries more strict
23:49:36  <MeusH> where are you going to move?
23:49:38  <MVV> it's my point of view
23:50:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> i have no plans to move anywhere
23:50:27  <Bjarni> knowing what USA did in South America, it's very likely
23:50:35  <MeusH> MVV, I think it's the best to unite with the west. West is evil. But Russia is pure hell. I'd choose the less evil one...
23:50:55  <Bjarni> ok, that's one way of putting it
23:50:55  <MeusH> It's good to be an independent country
23:50:58  <MVV> ^) why Russia is hell ?
23:51:23  <Bjarni> you are too young and innocent to know
23:51:30  <Eddi|zuHause2> you do know what russia is doing in Tschetschenia (spelling?)
23:51:36  <MVV> yes it's good but not in such way like we do
23:51:49  <MeusH> Tshetshenia, Georgia, raid in Moscow theater, corruption, gulags!, death camps...
23:51:53  <ln-> Chechnya
23:51:57  <MeusH> fucking up Poland
23:52:03  <MeusH> sorry. Thanks ln-
23:52:11  <MeusH> they fucked up Poland
23:52:13  <MVV> yeah i know about chechenskaya republic
23:52:27  <MeusH> their agents are still here trying to rule the goverment again
23:52:34  <MeusH> the same is in ukraine
23:52:47  <MVV> i can tell a few words about chchnya ....
23:53:05  <Bjarni> officially USSR is dead, but undercover they still work with agents where you least expect them
23:53:16  <MeusH> like Polish curches
23:53:22  <MeusH> our archibishops are agents
23:53:30  <MeusH> left side politics of course say they aren't
23:53:39  <MeusH> ...
23:53:42  <MeusH> back to Ukraine
23:54:29  <MeusH> if Russia had more control over Ukraine, you would end up like Belarus. Terrible dictator, reporters dying in suspicious circumstances, "disturbing" people having their families killed or moved far to Syberia
23:54:47  <Bjarni> to quote a famous Dane I once saw on TV. He talked about thinking planned economy as a good thing and then his dad said "why do you think people free from DDR to BRD and not the other way?"
23:54:59  <MeusH> you wouldn't have a strong currency. you'd have a rubel, which isn't worth anything tbh
23:55:12  <Bjarni> which is actually a good question in this case
23:55:19  <MeusH> what's DDR and BRD?
23:55:32  <ln-> ...
23:55:38  <Eddi|zuHause2> Deutsche Demokratische Republik (east germany)
23:55:45  <MeusH> kk
23:55:46  <Bjarni> ...
23:55:48  <Eddi|zuHause2> Bundesrepublik Deutschland (west germany)
23:55:51  <MeusH> NRD and RFN :D
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23:56:31  <Bjarni> I didn't expect MeusH to be one of the few people not knowing that
23:56:56  <SpComb> Logs:
23:56:56  <Bjarni> !logs
23:57:22  <MeusH> Bjarni, frankly I didn't thought how is it in other languages
23:57:24  <MeusH> bad me
23:57:27  <Bjarni> _MVV_: it appears that it's a good idea for you to read the logs... you appear to have missed some stuff
23:57:49  <_MVV_> it's just a musulman country like afganistan or some another; it has it's own mentality and their people being controlled by their religy are more .... you understand :) i don't want to say anything rather bad; so chechnya always do terrects in Russia only because of russian police arest chechnya's criminals; 'chechenci' kill russian people onlybecause they are so; and russian soldiers do in chechnya something like what USA does; Russia are finding chechnya
23:57:51  <_MVV_> 's criminals and liquidate them
23:57:51  <Bjarni> I tend to call them by their German names... due to their German nature
23:58:13  <_MVV_> yeah i can miss something because i slowly type :)
23:58:39  <Bjarni> [00:54:47] 	<Bjarni>	to quote a famous Dane I once saw on TV. He talked about thinking planned economy as a good thing and then his dad said "why do you think people free from DDR to BRD and not the other way?"
23:58:39  <ln-> interestingly, DDR has always been known as DDR in finland. there is a finnish name, but no finnish abbreviation.
23:58:43  <Bjarni> mainly this line
23:58:46  <tokai> Bjarni: you can say GDR and FDR too (international shortings AFAIR) usualy germans know that too ;)
23:59:00  <Bjarni> but I don't
23:59:18  <Eddi|zuHause2> err... it's rather FRG
23:59:34  <MeusH> it's RFN...
23:59:34  <Bjarni> to me it's DDR and BRD
23:59:36  <MeusH> whatever
23:59:43  <Eddi|zuHause2> but i really don't think germans would recognize those
23:59:48  <tokai> Eddit: err... right. well i'm sleeping and only talking in dreams:)
23:59:50  <tokai> -t

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