Log for #openttd on 7th January 2007:
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00:00:39  <Darkvater> look on
00:01:17  <Ailure> odd
00:01:22  <Ailure> it appears there
00:01:28  <Ailure> but not in openTTD itself
00:01:35  <Ailure> then my connection is kinda fritzy now
00:01:35  <Darkvater> it's probably there as well
00:01:51  <Ailure> well for some reason
00:01:59  <Darkvater> it's there for me on RC2
00:02:05  <Ailure> 70% of the servers I have no names for me
00:02:57  <Ailure> hmm
00:02:59  <Ailure> it was there
00:03:01  <caladan> That derver discovery is UDP?
00:03:06  <caladan> *server
00:03:10  <Ailure> but only it's ip was shown until I selected it manually and clicked refresh server
00:04:24  <caladan> If that's UDP as it seems it may mean you loose many packets
00:04:41  <caladan> check stats with ping or something
00:05:53  <Ailure> well i'm loosing alot of packets
00:05:53  <Ailure> :)
00:06:01  <Ailure> I suspect it's becuse i'm downloading alot through torrrents.
00:06:16  <Ailure> and the router inbetween isn't really the best
00:06:49  <caladan> so try to refresh manually and pray all packets come to you unchanged :D
00:07:18  <Ailure> well
00:07:21  <Ailure> joining a server right now
00:07:26  <caladan> changing it to TCP would be a waste of bandwith, you know
00:07:26  <Ailure> is asking for insta-desynch
00:07:38  <Ailure> so I won't bother xD
00:07:48  <caladan> dont know what protocol game uses, but probably UDP as well
00:07:59  <caladan> just cut down a little that torrents
00:08:05  <Rubidium_> the protocol during the game is TCP
00:08:11  <Ailure> I can only cut down on the upload limit
00:08:11  <Ailure> xD
00:08:26  <caladan> hmm, so that must be matter of long time of response
00:08:52  <Rubidium_> the pre-game stuff is all UDP
00:08:59  <Brianetta> (:
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00:09:08  <Brianetta> That UDP protocol
00:09:11  <Brianetta> that was fun
00:09:14  <Brianetta> writing it in Tcl
00:09:22  <Ailure> Brianetta's server was full anyway
00:09:25  <Ailure> well of companies
00:09:36  <Ailure> and I would only play around for a half hour
00:09:50  <Ailure> so I might as well not bother xD
00:09:55  <Brianetta> My server is' more popular than 8 companies makes convenient
00:10:25  <Ailure> I wish the 8 companies 10 player limit could be relaxed
00:10:26  <caladan> i can let you play at mine
00:10:34  <caladan> 2 players now
00:10:49  <caladan> just to relax a little :D
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00:12:21  <Ailure> hmm
00:12:26  <Ailure> I wonde rif it's just the router being crappy now
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00:12:45  <caladan> do load tests...
00:12:50  <Ailure> I pause the torrents
00:13:40  <Ailure> I wish I could download the missing newGRF's xD
00:14:13  <Ailure> of course with a dialog that make sure that you don't overwrite your own newGRF's incase their MD5sum differs
00:14:36  <caladan> maybe some bash script would do? :D
00:14:43  <Rubidium_> the problem is the licenses of the NewGRFs
00:14:59  <Rubidium_> there is no way to know whether you may distribute the NewGRF
00:15:25  <Ailure> Maybe by having some kind of flag in them *shrug* but then we go against the de facto standard of NewGRF's I guess D:
00:16:18  <Brianetta> You don't need to overwrite newgrfs
00:16:38  <Brianetta> check the MD5s of existing newgrfs (already done), and if it's not there, save it with any unique filename.
00:16:46  <Ailure> [01:15] <Ailure> of course with a dialog that make sure that you don't overwrite your own newGRF's incase their MD5sum differs
00:16:59  <Ailure> well I kinda took the MD5sum thing into uhm
00:17:04  <Ailure> blah well that make sense
00:17:10  <Ailure> and maybe the downloaded files should be in a seperate folder
00:20:03  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7936 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.c: -Fix (r4987, old-rev): Only update the signals and YAPF cache on a DC_EXEC action for bridge-building
00:23:19  <Darkvater> gn all
00:23:26  <KUDr> gn master
00:25:35  <stillunknown> KUDr: /storage/tempstorage/downloads/openttd7/cpp/src/airport_movement.h:42: warning: missing braces around initializer for 'DirectionByte'
00:25:51  <stillunknown> did you notice those, there are about 30 of the,?
00:25:53  <stillunknown> *them
00:26:05  <KUDr> stillunknown: many many
00:26:12  <KUDr> now we are porting OSX
00:26:18  <KUDr> warnings later
00:26:32  <stillunknown> patches for warnings ok?
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00:30:43  <caladan> bye all
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00:37:24  <Ailure> What's the most stupid suggestion openTTD have gotten so far?
00:37:24  <Ailure> <<
00:38:44  <ln-> it's a secret
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00:44:04  <Belugas> merge with TTDPatch, i guess
00:44:21  <Belugas> because of the impossibility of it,
00:45:09  <Belugas> because ttdpatch is quite a piece of work
00:45:21  <Belugas> herr...
00:45:25  <Belugas> forget it
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00:46:31  <Ailure> I gave up with ttdpatch when I found it unstable and stff D:
00:46:48  <Ailure> and the network support and bigmaps of openTTD made me stay
00:51:34  <Sacro> the conversion to basic idea was quite amusing
00:51:37  <Sacro> or was it visbasic
00:52:21  <Ailure> visual basic?
00:52:27  <Ailure> eww
00:52:28  <Sacro> yeah
00:52:42  <Ailure> I'm not fond of langages that is like
00:52:46  <Ailure> restricted to one platform
00:52:55  <valhallasw> Ailure: is portable to linux
00:52:57  <Ailure> well assembly is a expection I guess
00:53:02  <valhallasw> as are all .net languages
00:56:00  <BurningFeetMan> Who want's to lose the rest of their sunday to a flash game?
00:56:02  <BurningFeetMan>
00:58:38  <Sacro> BurningFeetMan: damn you, im only 58 minutes in
00:59:21  <Sacro> :o WOW
01:04:46  <BurningFeetMan> :D
01:04:54  <BurningFeetMan> Game kicks arse. I got 1000 just now ^_^
01:05:25  <Sacro> trolls [immune] thats hardly fair
01:08:18  <Sacro> battle golems did well
01:10:46  <CIA-1> bjarni * r7937 /branches/cpp/src/ (14 files in 4 dirs):
01:10:46  <CIA-1> [cpp] -Fix: compiles on OSX
01:10:46  <CIA-1>  Note: the code to list newgrf files in the assert window (OSX specific) is commented out and it will just print "none" for now
01:11:28  <Sacro> 833 points
01:18:31  <CIA-1> bjarni * r7938 /branches/cpp/source.list: [cpp] -Fix 7937: missed one file
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01:31:55  <Naksu> 02:55 < BurningFeetMan> Who want's to lose the rest of their sunday to a flash game?
01:31:59  <Naksu> the game actually ends
01:32:07  <Naksu> i won :(
01:32:14  <BurningFeetMan> Whoa! Well done sire!
01:32:16  <Naksu> with a score of 1812
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01:32:31  <Naksu> i just built a shitload of common arrow towers and bought interest upgrades
01:32:57  <Naksu> and water towers later
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02:20:35  <KUDr> Darkvater, Celestar, peter1138: when you wake up, can you please do performance tests?
02:20:41  <KUDr> [23:17:42] <Rubidium> 'preliminary' data on /branches/cpp vs /trunk: +20% compile time, +5% runtime (tested with Pile
02:20:42  <KUDr> Transport and both --enable-debug=0 and --enable-debug=3)
02:20:55  <KUDr> I tested it too and have different results.
02:20:55  <KUDr> Conditions:
02:20:55  <KUDr> 1. delete openttd.cfg
02:20:55  <KUDr> 2. openttd -g Pile_Transport_Final.cpp
02:20:55  <KUDr> 3. Stop it immediately (8.11.2090)
02:20:55  <KUDr> 4. switch on "Fast Forward"
02:20:57  <KUDr> 5. Unpause & start measuring time
02:20:57  <KUDr> 6. measure how long it takes to get to 1.1.2091
02:21:01  <KUDr> My Results:
02:21:02  <KUDr> 1. r7821 from trunk/Win32/VC8/Release: 63 secs
02:21:02  <KUDr> 2. r7938 from branches/cpp           : 60 secs
02:21:02  <KUDr> 3. r7821 from trunk/linux/g++/Release: 84 secs
02:21:03  <KUDr> 4. r7938 from branches/cpp           : 80 secs
02:21:26  <KUDr> i wonder what will be your results
02:21:41  <KUDr> g++ still produces many warnings
02:22:04  <KUDr> but it works now on all win32/linux/osx
02:22:12  <KUDr> gn all
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03:44:00  <Sacro> oh noes
03:44:34  <lolman> Oh Noes indeed
03:44:53  <Sacro> Christine?
03:45:01  <lolman> What>
03:45:04  <lolman> ?
03:45:07  <Sacro> your name :p
03:45:17  <lolman> O, my friend's mam
03:45:32  <lolman> Bloody portable Gaim
03:45:35  <Sacro> i been playing rFactor with my g25
03:45:39  <lolman> Ewww
03:45:42  <lolman> rTractor
03:45:45  <lolman> :P
03:45:49  <Sacro> i had another go on lfs... didnt like it
03:45:57  <lolman> What was wrong with it?
03:46:14  <Sacro> just seemed too... amateur
03:46:32  <lolman> Just because the graphics weren't as good
03:47:08  <Sacro> not just that
03:47:17  <Sacro> the whole game feels shoddy
03:47:25  <Gonozal_VIII> what's a rfactor, what's a g25, what's a lfs?
03:47:30  <lolman> 1. It's not a game, it's a simulator
03:47:39  <lolman> 2. It's one guy programming it
03:47:47  <lolman> 3. It's only £24
03:47:58  <Sacro> so is rFactor, and you get so much more
03:48:29  <lolman> rTractor is more than £24, and the physics are useless too
03:49:07  <Sacro> rFactor is £24.99
03:49:16  <Sacro> and comes with an insane amount of mods
03:49:22  <lolman> See? More than £24 :P
03:49:43  <Sacro> i might get lfs when i get paid
03:50:43  <lolman> :D
03:50:53  <lolman> I'll be sure to come and beat you
03:50:58  <Sacro> yeah... right
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03:51:20  <lolman> Yes, right;-)
03:51:46  <Sacro> yeaaaaah... right
03:51:46  <lolman> Rallycross is my speciality
03:51:50  <lolman> :P
03:53:20  <lolman> But I'm not too bad in some of the other cars
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03:53:43  <Sacro> hmm
03:53:53  <Sacro> well im on a  per hour job soon
03:54:02  <lolman> When is soon?
03:54:07  <Sacro> maybe starting monday
03:54:11  <lolman> Nice
03:54:25  <Sacro> depends when my mate speaks to the client, and finalises what we need
03:55:01  <lolman> Ah right, what kind of timescale are you talking about? ie how long you working there for?
03:55:31  <Sacro> err... aiming to get it launched before the end of feb
03:56:05  <lolman> So about 2 months then
03:56:09  <Sacro> something like
03:56:19  <Sacro> but i have coursework and exams
03:56:32  <lolman> Same
03:56:37  <lolman> Got exams week after next
03:56:42  <Sacro> yeah me too
03:59:03  <lolman> Exams really suck :(
04:02:11  <lolman> Oh well, will be free of them in a few months
04:02:21  <lolman> Completely free :p
04:02:46  <Gonozal_VIII> suicide?
04:02:50  <lolman> Nah
04:02:55  <lolman> End of Sixth Form
04:04:03  <Gonozal_VIII> don't know what that means but good luck and such....
04:04:10  <lolman> lol
04:04:19  <lolman> I'll rephrase, end of College
04:05:08  <Gonozal_VIII> aren't you like born in 89?
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04:08:00  <Nigel> hope noone here uses academic licensing of windows
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04:10:43  <SpComb> Logs:
04:10:43  <Bytefox> !logs
04:20:42  <lolman> Gonozal_VIII: I am
04:20:47  <lolman> Early 89 tough
04:20:52  <lolman> though*
04:22:26  <lolman> I turn 18 on the 25th lol
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04:35:04  <Nigel> lolman must be an aussie AOLer
04:37:08  <pv2b> SpComb: that link is like... recursive. if you click it from the log view, y ou get to the log view, and you don't get anywhere
04:37:34  <pv2b> :-)
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05:06:18  <lolman> Aussie? Me?
05:06:28  * lolman was RDCing :P
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05:13:57  <Sacro> Nigel: i do, why?
05:15:32  <Nigel> Sacro, so you have a copy of Win XP Academic?
05:15:45  <Sacro> Nigel: yeah... MSDNAA
05:15:57  <Nigel>
05:16:12  <Nigel> MSDNAA might be affected too
05:16:38  <Nigel> they don't offer it where i study
05:19:22  <Sacro> ahh
05:19:30  <Sacro> orudge got Vista Business Pro i think
05:19:37  <Sacro> and its not made it into my repo yet
05:29:57  <lolman> I'm gonna be buying Vista OEM
05:30:07  <lolman> When I get money, that is
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05:31:55  <lolman> Hmm, that figured
05:32:02  <Sacro>
05:32:09  <Sacro> read that and you'll see why
05:32:20  <Sacro> vista ultimate is only £135 oem
05:37:31  <Nigel> yeah, well i swear, there should be a Vista Ultimate Academic version
05:37:45  <Sacro> hmm... who knows
05:41:53  <lolman> I'm thinking the same lol
05:42:32  <Nigel> (digg my post then ;))
05:43:07  <lolman> Where is said post?
05:43:45  <Nigel> read up ~15 lines
05:45:05  <lolman> Aha
05:46:40  <lolman> NZD>GBP?
05:49:04  <lolman> Wow MS screw the UK big tine
05:49:06  <lolman> time*
05:49:09  <Sacro> yes
05:49:33  <lolman> £62 for a Home Premium Academic Upgrade
05:50:17  <Nigel> lolman, heh
05:51:33  <lolman> Home Basic OEM costs that over here
05:52:02  <lolman> Hmm, I shall be pre-ordering Home Premium next week
05:53:02  <Nigel> i won't
05:53:13  <lolman> Lol
05:53:24  <lolman> Overclockers have OEM for £78 over here
05:54:25  <Nigel>
05:56:01  <lolman> Heh
05:57:46  <Nigel> for Office 2007
05:58:24  <lolman> Not interested in that
06:01:12  <lolman> :P
06:01:19  <lolman> I have OpenOffice, it does me
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06:07:40  <lolman> Sacro wimped out then :P
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06:14:46  <lolman> Oh Noes
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06:21:00  <Sacro> i got g-lined on quakenet
06:21:03  <Sacro> had to reboot the router
06:27:49  <lolman> Ah right
06:28:13  * lolman is looking at hardware on OcUK to buy with Vista
06:32:22  <lolman> brb
06:35:49  <lolman> And back
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07:28:47  <Nigel> Sacro, wow, MSDNAA looks good
07:29:05  <Sacro> Nigel: does it?
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07:29:17  <Nigel> hell yeah
07:29:30  <Sacro> i have got XP, 2000, VS6 and VS2005 so far
07:31:28  <Nigel> 00AU for an institution to subscribe, students get everything for free
07:33:02  * Celestar is happy that he moved his institution from MS Office to OpenOffice
07:33:30  <Nigel> bleh, i have a strong dislike for OpenOffice
07:34:00  <Celestar> me too, but my dislike for anything from Redmond is far greater
07:34:15  <Celestar> I've also put a 2-year ban onto Vista
07:34:18  <Sacro> i use ooO
07:34:25  <Sacro> errr OOo
07:34:29  <Nigel> half the features i use are missing
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07:34:35  <Nigel> (in OOo)
07:34:49  <Celestar> no computer (even private ones) will be allowed to access the network if running Vista
07:35:36  <Sacro> lol
07:36:26  <Celestar> and boss is ok with this rule of mine
07:36:53  <Celestar> bah the -g option starts looking in the wrong directory
07:38:02  <Tron> run: all
07:38:02  <Tron>   $(Q)cd /usr/home/tron/projekte/ottd/clean/bin && ./openttd
07:38:04  <Tron> WTF?
07:38:09  <Tron> where does this absolute path come from?
07:38:37  <Celestar> me->breakfast(); me->airport();
07:39:19  <Sacro> Tron: `pwd`?
07:39:40  <Tron> this is so full of WTFs it could provide dWTF with stories for a whole month
07:39:47  <Sacro> hehe
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08:08:57  <BurningFeetMan> When's the official next version expected to be released?
08:18:00  <CIA-1> tron * r7939 /trunk/ (config.lib configure): Fix useless use of cat
08:21:47  <Tron>   cp $SOURCE_LIST config.cache.source.list
08:21:47  <Tron>   # Make sure config.cache is OLDER then config.cache.source.list
08:21:47  <Tron>   touch config.cache
08:21:57  <Tron> if code and comment disagree, probably both are wrong
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08:26:48  <CIA-1> tron * r7940 /trunk/config.lib: Add an empty line instead of overwriting the just written file
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09:10:39  <peter1138> morning
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09:13:13  <rfalke> hello
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09:16:31  <rfalke> whom to I have to ask to get something committed?
09:18:07  <peter1138> what is it?
09:19:02  <rfalke>
09:19:26  <rfalke> another similar patch was done in sep. 2006
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09:24:20  <CIA-1> tron * r7941 /trunk/config.lib: Unbreak linking: FreeBSD is not Linux either
09:29:11  <stillunknown> anyone know why (in cpp branch) it wants braces around directionbyte
09:29:22  <stillunknown> in airport_movement.h
09:31:33  <KUDr>  stillunknown: because directionbyte is a struct
09:31:49  <KUDr> that contains byte
09:32:12  <stillunknown> that makes sense
09:33:12  <peter1138> a struct containing a byte?
09:33:53  <KUDr> directionbyte is the only way how i was able to emulate typesafe byte-sized enum
09:34:20  <KUDr> same as direction but 1 byte
09:35:06  <KUDr> there were bytes everywhere in structs but byte is not type-safe
09:35:19  <KUDr> v->direction
09:35:29  <KUDr> you can assign shit into that
09:35:38  <KUDr> the same v->track
09:35:42  <KUDr> and many others
09:36:17  <KUDr> now you can't
09:36:41  <hylje> :o
09:48:16  <CIA-1> tron * r7942 /trunk/ (config.lib configure): Trim another 192 lines from the configure monster
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09:51:19  <Wolf01> morning
09:51:38  <Hinrik> morning
09:51:57  <Hinrik> So you're the Wolf. Do you solve problems?
09:52:23  <rfalke> peter1138: so can you help me?
09:52:41  <peter1138> not at the moment
09:53:40  <stillunknown> KUDr:
09:53:57  <stillunknown> KUDr: ship handling is broken in cpp branch, they constantly turn around
09:54:24  <Wolf01> mmm maybe, depends of the problem
09:54:33  <KUDr> stillunknown: could be
09:54:41  <KUDr> there was also assert
09:54:47  <KUDr> butonly on linux
09:54:53  <KUDr> or g++
09:55:04  <Rubidium_> stillunknown: why not replace those 'magic' numbers immediatelly with DIR...
09:55:19  <Hinrik> Wolf01: Well, I've got a corpse, in a car, minus a head in the garage. Can you help?
09:55:52  <stillunknown> Rubidium: good point, need to go away for a bit, but i will
09:57:16  <Wolf01> mmm no, i'm just wake up, i can't think
09:58:24  <KUDr> stillunknown: or change the type from DirectionByte to Direction and it will work without {}
09:59:00  <stillunknown> i made the {}, might aswell use them
09:59:29  <Celestar> hm ...
09:59:36  <Celestar> the OMP is really neat
09:59:56  <Tron> *grml* check_compiler mess
10:00:07  <Celestar> me->away_again();
10:01:28  <stillunknown> KUDr: you introduced the directionbyte for type safe "enum", might aswell use it
10:02:17  <KUDr> but main use is in dynamic structures that get saved and occupy lot of memory
10:02:35  <KUDr> otherwise we can still use enums
10:02:41  <KUDr> native way
10:04:05  <Celestar> KUDr: the problem is, that sizeof(enum) is not clearly defined
10:04:40  <KUDr> Celestar: in fixed structures that don't get saved it is not a big problem
10:05:18  <Celestar> true
10:05:33  <KUDr> but as you can see DirectionByte is not typesafe if you use {} in initializer
10:05:40  <stillunknown> KUDr:
10:05:57  <Celestar> KUDr: hm?
10:06:12  <KUDr> stillunknown: wow, better, thanks
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10:07:12  <Celestar> something tells me all those DIR_Ns might want to be DIR_INVALIDs, but that's for Darkvater to decide
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10:09:02  <CIA-1> KUDr * r7943 /branches/cpp/src/airport_movement.h: [cpp] - Fix:[cpp] - Fix: some more warnings sorted (stillunknown)
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10:18:48  <rfalke> Wolf01: thanks for the comment
10:19:16  <stillunknown> are goto's debugable?
10:19:55  <KUDr> yes
10:19:56  <Celestar> yes stillunknown
10:20:43  <stillunknown> i defined a breakpoint, but that doesn't seem to give me information about what called that breakpoint
10:20:49  <stillunknown> i mean goto
10:21:19  <KUDr> you can't see from were it jumped
10:21:28  <KUDr> it is not gosub
10:21:37  <KUDr> just goto
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10:34:47  <caladan> stillunknown: cannot see that in debug, cause no information about returning adress has been stored on stack
10:35:11  <Celestar> because there is no returning address :P
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10:35:55  <caladan> yeah, just a plain jmp
10:36:00  <caladan> or some conditional
10:36:18  <Celestar> Brianetta: are you around?
10:38:21  <Celestar> what the URL to Brainetta's server and stuff?
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10:39:33  <scia>
10:39:42  <Celestar> thanks
10:39:57  <scia> np
10:40:32  <caladan> there's some synchro problem with 0.5.0rc2 in late years, isnt there?
10:40:50  <peter1138> yea
10:41:00  <Celestar> appears so
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10:43:50  <caladan> huh, does ufo destroy railway crossings?
10:43:56  <caladan> and does it land in cities?
10:44:38  <HMage> can I contact UFO to land on competitor's station?
10:44:49  <HMage> I'd be willing to pay m
10:45:20  <HMage> is there a patch for openttd to integrate x-com into it? :D
10:45:57  <caladan> ok, i solved the mystery...
10:46:10  * HMage has to resist the urge adding a funny bug report: "My train doesn't respawn after crash"
10:46:29  <caladan> ufo must have landed there when there was no city, so the city built itself on clear land...
10:46:52  <HMage> ufos don't stay on the ground for long
10:47:13  <caladan> they are destroyed by xcom ;]
10:47:55  <HMage> yeah, and everyone who wants to exploit that is deal with by Section One
10:48:45  <HMage> there's a section one operative in Dundridge Transport, he's one of the managers
10:48:55  <HMage> is dealt*
10:49:00  <HMage> I love my french skills
10:51:55  <Darkvater> morning
10:52:08  * Darkvater hopes to get RC3 up and running before I have to leave today
10:54:37  <KUDr> gm master
10:54:38  <BurningFeetMan> Got bored and went exploring my backyard with a torch. Found 3 frogs, one the size of my fist :S and a mouse. Mouse was too quick though, so no idea if he was a native.
10:54:53  <HMage> "Each new RC a day, makes you feel away."
10:56:26  <Darkvater> morning KUDr
10:57:38  <rfalke> Darkvater: how many more RC to you plan?
10:57:51  <Darkvater> final - 1
11:00:34  <rfalke> ok than let me ask: what bugs are there in rc2?
11:01:29  <peter1138> "a few"
11:01:33  <caladan> look @
11:01:57  <caladan> want to get a lot of money instantly? :>
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11:07:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> wha... i think i broke something...
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11:07:36  <Eddi|zuHause2> how would i go and get a backtrace?
11:07:49  <Darkvater> bt
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11:08:17  <Gonozal_VIII> unbreak it
11:08:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> that does not help me at all
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11:15:28  <KUDr> heh, just did profiling round and wonder: TrainCheckIfLineEnds=8% > YAPF=5.4%
11:16:18  <KUDr> How can TrainCheckIfLineEnds take more than PF when PF does the same check much more offten?
11:16:19  <Gonozal_VIII> the whole path needs less calculating than one tile?
11:16:27  <KUDr> yes
11:16:30  <KUDr> crazy
11:17:14  <Gonozal_VIII> why is that even needet with yapf checking the path?
11:17:17  <KUDr> and of course, our winner:
11:17:18  <Gonozal_VIII> -t+d
11:17:21  <KUDr> CheckTrainCollision	28.334	0.268	3174	30
11:17:31  <KUDr> 28% collision test
11:18:03  <KUDr> Gonozal_VIII: yapf is invoked on junctions
11:18:18  <KUDr> but line can end anywhere
11:18:18  <Eddi|zuHause2> TrainCheckIfLineEnds does more than just checking, i think
11:18:36  <Eddi|zuHause2> and it is called for each step the vehicle does on the end tile
11:18:37  <KUDr> reversing
11:18:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> i.e. 16 times
11:18:47  <KUDr> but it doesn't happe too often
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11:18:59  <Gonozal_VIII> hmm
11:19:16  <caladan> huh, got to optimize that if it's  like this
11:19:19  <KUDr> but it sounds crazy
11:19:31  <KUDr> how can line end at middle of tile?
11:19:40  <KUDr> it then only returns silently
11:20:09  <KUDr> there is patch for collider on the forum
11:20:19  <Eddi|zuHause2> it does some speed adjustments while approaching the end
11:20:21  <Gonozal_VIII> check 16 times per tile if the line ends there :S tracks can't change with the train on them anyways...
11:20:40  <Eddi|zuHause2> and it might do that also while approaching signals
11:21:11  <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, back to my brokennes
11:21:12  <Eddi|zuHause2> s
11:21:50  <stillunknown>  KUDr: did you find out why ships keep reversing?
11:22:10  <Gonozal_VIII> they slam into a wall anyways if there is a red signal... not very good use of all the calculations then
11:22:13  <KUDr> stillunknown: didn't look there, wait..
11:23:20  <peter1138> heh, breakdown handling is in TrainCheckIfLineEnds? o_O
11:23:55  <Celestar> o_o
11:24:10  <Gonozal_VIII> which is called 16times per tile? could explain the number of breakdowns^^
11:24:56  <Celestar> it makes little sense to call 16 times per tile
11:25:11  <Celestar> the tile cannot be altered while the train is in there anyway
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11:25:16  <caladan> wow, during that rewriting to C++ i see many thing are found :D
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11:25:46  <hylje> rewrites tend to dig up many WTFs
11:26:42  <KUDr> stillunknown: good news is that i can repro it on windows
11:26:54  <peter1138> i like the way TrainCheckIfLineEnds returns true if it *doesn't*
11:27:05  <stillunknown> hylie: Makes you wonder who wrote that ;-)
11:27:06  <KUDr> yes
11:27:18  <caladan> btw, and offtopic, have you ever seen
11:27:28  <peter1138> yeah
11:27:32  <peter1138> it used to be good
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11:28:10  <caladan> if you gat some "strange" pieces of code it may fit there :D
11:29:00  <Darkvater> o_O
11:29:06  <Darkvater> r7689, r7696, r7699, r7701, r7704, r7706, r7707, r7713, r7715, r7723, r7732, r7738, r7742, r7743, r7746, r7754, r7756, r7787, r7800, r7803, r7806, r7807, r7819, r7828, r7857, r7884, r7896, r7905 lang
11:29:27  <Darkvater> language file commits since dec 31st
11:29:43  <Celestar> wtf?
11:29:50  <Hinrik> how many strings are missing from Icelandic?
11:29:58  <Darkvater> Celestar: DON't say a word
11:30:09  * Celestar is sealed
11:30:47  <Darkvater> peter1138: do you think r7758 we should backport?
11:30:55  <Darkvater> eg spritegroup allocation 16 > 512
11:31:30  <Hinrik> who do I talk to if I want to help out with translations? mihamix?
11:31:40  <Celestar> Hinrik: mikk36[EST]
11:31:46  <Celestar> Hinrik: MiHaMiX
11:31:54  <Hinrik> k
11:32:23  <peter1138> Darkvater: i want r7711, r7795, r7831, r7864 ;)
11:32:29  <peter1138> Darkvater: can do. it's only a tiny change
11:32:33  <peter1138> it doesn't actually fix anything though
11:32:42  <Darkvater> peter1138: already got those all
11:33:13  <peter1138> good oh
11:34:12  <Darkvater> you also want 7692
11:34:23  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7944 /branches/0.5/ (newgrf_config.c newgrf_config.h players.c):
11:34:23  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7692):
11:34:23  <CIA-1>  - -OpenTTD didn't compile without network enabled (newgrf sync code)
11:35:03  <Darkvater> Rubidium_: r7727 (SDL+FF) is that fully fixed? Cause I heard some people still complain at times in here
11:36:36  <KUDr> stillunknown: try to switch on 'YAPF for ships' << this should solve the problem (OPF is broken)
11:37:26  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7945 /branches/0.5/ (misc_gui.c window.h):
11:37:26  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7700):
11:37:26  <CIA-1>  - Caret randomly jumping back&forth for new randomseed (r7182)
11:37:36  <peter1138> Darkvater: eh, probably, i didn't write that ;p
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11:38:23  <peter1138> hmm, r7606?
11:38:30  <peter1138> i thought that was in
11:38:48  <Darkvater> that's in
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11:38:52  <peter1138> ah
11:38:58  <peter1138> ok
11:39:06  <peter1138> i was looking in the change log :)
11:39:22  <Darkvater> I haven't put anything in there for between RC1 and RC2
11:39:27  <Darkvater> those changes are on the forum though
11:39:27  <peter1138> righto
11:40:42  <Darkvater> dialup?
11:41:06  <Rubidium_> Darkvater: no, not yet
11:41:33  <Darkvater> so backport or not?
11:42:07  <Darkvater> gaah my desktop is too small :(
11:42:12  <Darkvater> or too many windows
11:42:23  <Rubidium_> I'll look at the updated patch and tell you in a moment, ok?
11:42:31  <Darkvater> k
11:42:56  <peter1138> hmm?
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11:47:08  <Darkvater> fuuuck
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11:47:27  <Darkvater> this whole makefilerewrite seriously fucks up backporting :(
11:47:32  <Darkvater> all the source files are somewhere else
11:47:39  <Darkvater> Skipped missing target: 'src\newgrf_config.c'
11:48:22  <Darkvater> hehe
11:48:39  <Darkvater> svn merge -r -c 7795 svn:// :D
11:48:43  <Darkvater> isntead of just /trunk
11:49:13  <hylje> heh
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11:53:15  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7946 /branches/0.5/ (newgrf.c newgrf_config.c):
11:53:15  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7711, r7795, r7831):
11:53:15  <CIA-1>  - NewGRF Action 7, GRF check condition 10 didn't ignore unknown GRF IDs (r7354)
11:53:15  <CIA-1>  - NewGRF safety scan fixes action E (allow unifont.grf) and Action 0 prop D (bridge) (r7795, r7831)
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11:54:01  <Darkvater> ugh the pathfind fixes :s
11:54:07  <Darkvater> damn you bridge merge!
11:54:43  <hylje> :o
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11:57:02  <Darkvater> peter1138: can you check something for me?
11:57:46  <Darkvater> peter1138: << if this is correct
11:57:51  <Darkvater> (signal propagation)
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11:58:13  <Darkvater> merge of (r7716) r7717 and r7718
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11:59:31  <Rubidium_> Darkvater: I don't see what that extra fast-forward fix should really fix. The only thing it does is not running in fastforward when the tab is pressed the first 150 ms after the window gets input focus. I think there is some bug in the window-manager the user who has this issue, which gives the application the focus too early.
11:59:35  <Darkvater> they ignore railtypes right?
11:59:55  <Darkvater> Rubidium_: good, then I'll just commit 7727 only
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12:05:50  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7947 /branches/0.5/video/sdl_v.c:
12:05:50  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7727):
12:05:50  <CIA-1>  - [sdl] sometimes ALT-TAB could trigger the fast forward
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12:06:36  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7948 /branches/0.5/date.c:
12:06:36  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7731):
12:06:36  <CIA-1>  - off-by-one error in the date to YMD calculation for first 4 years of a century that was not divisable by 400
12:07:09  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7949 /branches/0.5/genworld_gui.c:
12:07:09  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7733):
12:07:09  <CIA-1>  - do not use WP(w, querystr_d) and WP(w, def_d) for the same window
12:09:52  <Darkvater> cause the pathfind thing fix is probably bad cause of bridge merge :(
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12:10:44  <stillunknown> a uint, is that a 32 or a 16?
12:11:21  <Nigel> errr, i thought if you did a svn merge, you didn't have commit each and every one seperately
12:11:57  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7950 /branches/0.5/ (gfxinit.c newgrf.c):
12:11:57  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7760, r7766):
12:11:57  <CIA-1>  - Sprite usage debug message showed the starting sprite, not current sprite, and only do this during activation (r7760).
12:11:57  <CIA-1>  - [OSX] Remove incorrect debug message about missing grf files.
12:12:06  <stillunknown> Nigel: he's backporting stuff
12:12:15  <stillunknown> bugfixes
12:12:36  <Nigel> yeah, i'm just thinking along the lines of all at once, i dunno
12:13:05  <stillunknown> KUDr: are you here?
12:13:14  <KUDr> yes
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12:13:46  <stillunknown> KUDr: findfirstbit doesn't work on int32?
12:13:59  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7951 /branches/0.5/ (rail_gui.c station_cmd.c):
12:13:59  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7810, r7812):
12:13:59  <CIA-1>  - Building airport whose size exceeds max station spread-out caused assert. (r7810)
12:13:59  <CIA-1>  - rail station build window was not correctly updated after station_spread change (r7812)
12:14:00  <KUDr> no
12:14:20  <stillunknown> pathfind.cpp
12:14:26  <stillunknown> line 137
12:14:30  <stillunknown> variable i and bits
12:14:39  <stillunknown> is that ok?
12:14:53  <stillunknown> i don't men line 137
12:15:19  <stillunknown> line 333
12:15:24  <stillunknown> and nearby
12:15:31  <KUDr> it isn't ok, but it was always so
12:15:38  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7952 /branches/0.5/news_gui.c:
12:15:38  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7823, r7861):
12:15:38  <CIA-1>  - News windows could still crash due to moving news items around while a news window was still open.
12:15:42  <KUDr> i am there with debugger atm
12:15:53  <stillunknown> it's just that model1 is used for water
12:16:01  <KUDr> bits = GetTileTrackStatus
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12:16:07  <KUDr> so it is uint
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12:16:17  <KUDr> mode2
12:16:20  <KUDr> for water
12:16:35  <stillunknown> your right
12:16:43  <stillunknown> i thought the assert was different
12:16:56  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7953 /branches/0.5/ (ottdres.rc win32.c):
12:16:56  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7840, r7843):
12:16:56  <CIA-1>  - [win32] Update crash window text (+crash.dmp -submit)
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12:17:00  <KUDr> it gets masked: bits = (byte)((bits | (bits >> 8)) & _bits_mask[direction]);
12:17:53  <KUDr> hmm:
12:17:58  <KUDr> if ( (bits & (bits - 1)) == 0 )
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12:18:07  <KUDr> nice test
12:18:12  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7954 /branches/0.5/train_gui.c:
12:18:12  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7864):
12:18:12  <CIA-1>  - offset engines/wagons by half width in details window; fixes overflowing for display
12:18:14  <KUDr> for one bit only
12:19:20  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7955 /branches/0.5/video/cocoa_v.m:
12:19:20  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7886):
12:19:20  <CIA-1>  - [osx] control+enter no longer fullscreens, interfered with team-chat.
12:20:12  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7956 /branches/0.5/newgrf.c:
12:20:12  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7930):
12:20:12  <CIA-1>  - wrong TTDPatch GRF flag was set for gradual loading
12:21:02  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7957 /branches/0.5/tunnelbridge_cmd.c:
12:21:02  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7936):
12:21:02  <CIA-1>  - Only update the signals and YAPF cache on a DC_EXEC action for bridge-building
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12:34:59  <stillunknown> Rubidium: maybe a debug mode 4 would be nice, with no optimizations at all
12:36:10  <Darkvater> that's what 3 was for
12:36:24  <stillunknown> then it needs fixing :-)
12:37:31  <stillunknown> by default any gcc version greater than 29 has a -O option
12:37:43  <stillunknown> which overrides the -O0 level 3 gives
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12:40:49  <HMage> LOL... Modern english lessons:
12:42:35  <Rubidium_> stillunknown: it is already fixed
12:44:30  <Bjarni> Darkvater: preparing for RC3?
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12:44:45  <stillunknown> he is
12:44:51  <CIA-1> matthijs * r7958 /branches/0.5/os/debian/changelog: - [Debian] Prepare debian packing files for 0.5.0-rc3
12:45:28  <Bjarni> ETA?
12:45:37  <Bjarni> minutes? hours?
12:45:45  <Bjarni> sec? :P
12:46:22  <stillunknown> before Darkvater leaves (today)
12:46:38  <Darkvater> someone needs to proofread/fix the pathfind fix though
12:46:43  <Darkvater> I've left that for alst
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13:01:00  <CIA-1> truelight * r7959 /trunk/config.lib:
13:01:00  <CIA-1> [Configure] -Fix: OS2-gcc needs to get stripping via gcc, because it needs to be feed to emxbind at link-time.
13:01:00  <CIA-1>  emxbind changes 'emx a.out' format to 'LX for OS/2 (MS-DOS)'. After this, all gcc and binutils tools for emx can no longer read the binary.
13:01:00  <CIA-1>  Therefor emxbind needs to do the stripping while converting it. Logic, aint it? :)
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13:04:03  <CIA-1> KUDr * r7960 /branches/cpp/src/ship_cmd.cpp: [cpp] - Fix: [OPF] ship pathfinding broken (stillunknown)
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13:06:58  <stillunknown> KUDr: is that a "enum" issue?
13:07:15  <KUDr> depends
13:07:26  <stillunknown> was 0 invalid before?
13:07:39  <KUDr> no
13:07:43  <KUDr> there was byte
13:07:50  <KUDr> or no
13:07:58  <KUDr> there were -1 s assigned
13:08:05  <KUDr> instead of INVALID_TRACK
13:08:12  <KUDr> so it is my fault
13:08:36  <KUDr> i replaced -1 by INVALID_TRACK
13:08:50  <KUDr> and didn't check how it is compared
13:09:03  <KUDr> >= then didn't work
13:11:00  <stillunknown> KUDr: so it now works on all main platforms?
13:13:12  <CIA-1> truelight * r7961 /trunk/ (config.lib configure): [Configure] -Fix: "" in config params didn't survive --reconfig. They should now.
13:14:37  <KUDr> stillunknown: dunno
13:14:51  <stillunknown> windows, gnu/linux, osx
13:15:00  <KUDr> but mac, linux and win32 yes
13:15:30  <KUDr> if morphos or os2 are not main platforms, i dunno
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13:16:36  <stillunknown> maybe now is the time to put some of the trunk stuff into cpp (from the last few days)
13:16:52  <KUDr> there is no reason why it should not work on any platform that supports c++, but i can't port it to all of them
13:17:10  <KUDr> maybe
13:17:25  <KUDr> i wonder how diificult it will be
13:17:36  <KUDr> since the files were renamed
13:17:50  <stillunknown> i have an idea :-)
13:18:01  <KUDr> rename them back?
13:18:05  <stillunknown> no
13:18:21  <stillunknown> make a diff and renamce the names in the diff
13:18:29  <KUDr> ahh
13:18:34  <KUDr> good idea
13:19:42  <blathijs> Or you could merge all changes in the cpp branch into a trunk checkout (at the rev where cpp was created) and then do "svn up"
13:19:56  <blathijs> It might properly track name changes, though I'm not sure
13:20:10  <stillunknown> i get a lot of deletes when moving happens
13:20:56  <stillunknown> it didn't do that when the makefile change happened
13:22:25  <KUDr> blathijs: will it work?
13:22:37  <blathijs> KUDr: I'm not sure
13:22:58  <blathijs> worth trying, since it will more easily mark failed merges (patch will just reject them)
13:23:06  <KUDr> yeah
13:23:51  <Rubidium_> what about modifying the patch and apply it in the rev after the big rename, the svn up (then svn will mark conflicts)
13:24:41  <KUDr> hmm
13:24:58  <KUDr> i will try what i can do
13:25:06  <stillunknown> i'm going to try too
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13:49:12  <Darkvater> phew
13:50:06  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7962 /branches/0.5/ (29 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:50:06  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7689, r7696, r7699, r7701, r7704, r7706, r7707, r7713,
13:50:06  <CIA-1>  r7715, r7723, r7732, r7738, r7742, r7743, r7746, r7754, r7756, r7787, r7800,
13:50:06  <CIA-1>  r7803, r7806, r7807, r7819, r7828, r7857, r7884, r7896, r7905):
13:50:06  <CIA-1>  - Language file updates.
13:50:08  <CIA-1>  - Untranslated strings: Icelandic (217!), Hungarian (2), Galician (140), Finnish (3),
13:50:10  <CIA-1>  Brazilian-Portugese (3).
13:51:23  <Darkvater> do NOT ever do this to me again
13:51:43  <Darkvater> peter1138: still around?
13:52:07  <blathijs> hurrah for Darkvater :-)
13:54:09  <Darkvater> peter1138: should we backport your sprite limit increase ^^
13:55:12  <Darkvater> now
13:55:28  <Darkvater> KUDr: do you still remember what you said the last time I was backporting the signal propagation changes?
13:55:43  <KUDr> yes
13:55:54  <KUDr> but peter replaced it
13:56:01  <KUDr> by better patch
13:56:29  <Darkvater> yes but that has the same crash as last time with yours before we got that fixed
13:56:47  <KUDr> i know
13:57:15  <KUDr> but my fix for different rail types was incomplete
13:57:26  <Darkvater> hmm I seem to have fixed it... for not crashing
13:57:33  <KUDr> it is not called when converting
13:57:40  <Darkvater>
13:57:47  <KUDr> aha
13:58:13  <KUDr> you mean train crashes one belowe and one on bridge?
13:58:13  <Darkvater> am I correct in assuming that it'll work if I remove the 'else if (IsBridge(tile)' at the bottom?
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13:59:12  <Darkvater> hmm why is my openttd trying to send an UDP packet when it's running in the title screen??
13:59:21  <KUDr> it is that my diff?
13:59:33  <Darkvater> no that's peter's diff backported to 0.5
13:59:40  <Darkvater> but it's a post-bridge-merge diff
14:00:32  <KUDr> ahh
14:00:54  <KUDr> you mean remove only the if clause from the else block
14:00:58  <KUDr> not whole else block
14:01:02  <KUDr> correct?
14:01:41  <Darkvater> remove
14:01:42  <Darkvater> +		} else if (IsBridge(tile)) {
14:01:42  <Darkvater> +			if (GetBridgeRampDirection(tile) != direction ||
14:01:42  <Darkvater> +					GetBridgeTransportType(tile) != tpf->tracktype) {
14:01:43  <Darkvater> +				return;
14:01:45  <Darkvater> this part
14:01:52  <Darkvater> since bridges are not warp-holes
14:02:06  <qball> hmmm that c/p always triggers a highlight
14:02:09  <KUDr> really?
14:02:22  <KUDr> before bridges got merget
14:02:33  <KUDr> they dad no wormholes?
14:02:39  <Darkvater> bridges not
14:02:43  <Darkvater> only tunnels
14:02:49  <KUDr> hmm
14:02:53  <Darkvater> that's why you could do almost nothing below bridges
14:02:59  <Darkvater> _m[] was simply full
14:03:10  <KUDr> assumming that you are right yes, remove it
14:03:24  <Darkvater> well if I don't remove it the game crashes ;p
14:03:38  <KUDr> aha
14:03:44  <Darkvater> but do you see the first hunk?
14:03:46  <KUDr> but why?
14:04:04  <Darkvater> it was tracktype==road || trakctype==rail
14:04:07  <Darkvater> that is now only rail
14:04:14  <KUDr> aha
14:04:20  <Darkvater> is that good?
14:04:21  <Darkvater> dammit
14:04:22  <Darkvater> peter1138: !
14:04:37  <Darkvater> I hate manually merging stuff when I have no idea what's going on
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14:05:55  <KUDr> road part removed..
14:06:13  <KUDr> -		} else if (tpf->tracktype == TRANSPORT_ROAD) {
14:06:13  <KUDr> -			/* road stops and depots now have a track (r4419) */
14:06:13  <KUDr> -			/* don't enter road stop from the back */
14:06:13  <KUDr> -			if (IsRoadStopTile(tile) && ReverseDiagDir(GetRoadStopDir(tile)) != direction) goto no_way;
14:06:13  <KUDr> -			/* don't enter road depot from the back */
14:06:14  <KUDr> -			if (IsTileDepotType(tile, TRANSPORT_ROAD) && ReverseDiagDir(GetRoadDepotDirection(tile)) != direction) goto no_way;
14:06:14  <KUDr> -		}
14:06:32  <KUDr> aha, no
14:06:34  <KUDr> correct
14:06:38  <KUDr> it is replaced
14:06:45  <KUDr> +	if (tpf->tracktype == TRANSPORT_ROAD) {
14:06:45  <KUDr> +		// road stops and depots now have a track (r4419)
14:06:45  <KUDr> +		// don't enter road stop from the back
14:06:45  <KUDr> +		if (IsRoadStopTile(tile) && ReverseDiagDir(GetRoadStopDir(tile)) != direction) return;
14:06:45  <KUDr> +		// don't enter road depot from the back
14:06:46  <KUDr> +		if (IsTileDepotType(tile, TRANSPORT_ROAD) && ReverseDiagDir(GetRoadDepotDirection(tile)) != direction) return;
14:06:46  <KUDr> +	}
14:06:52  <Darkvater> just below, one tab less
14:07:01  <KUDr> yes
14:07:16  <KUDr> so it should be ok
14:07:18  <Darkvater> rail compatibility got removed
14:07:22  <KUDr> yes
14:07:37  <Darkvater> but that's ok cause peter said he removed it so the merge there is good
14:07:43  <KUDr> and one fix:
14:07:43  <KUDr> -	tile = tile_org;
14:07:44  <KUDr>  	direction = ReverseDiagDir(direction);
14:07:44  <KUDr> +	tile += TileOffsByDiagDir(direction);
14:07:50  <Darkvater> wheee, I got an email from Al Gore ^^
14:07:52  <dasy2k1> is this the reason that you cant have signals below a bridge?
14:07:57  <Darkvater> yes
14:08:28  <Bjarni> Darkvater: rev 7887 could do with backporting as well
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14:09:23  <Darkvater> !openttd commit 7887
14:09:25  <_42_> Commit by bjarni :: r7887 /trunk/src/stdafx.h (2007-01-05 20:46:53 UTC)
14:09:27  <_42_> -Fix: [OSX] Endian32_Swap should always return a uint32, not a long unsigned int
14:09:29  <_42_>   This kills an OSX specific warning in newgrf_config.c
14:09:31  <_42_>   Ensured that Endian16_Swap returns uint16 as well, even though that one didn't result in any warnings (yet)
14:09:44  <Darkvater> just a compile-warning for the compile-farm
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14:09:54  <Bjarni> and for OSX itself
14:10:06  <Darkvater> it doesn't fix anything, nor adds anything
14:10:10  <Darkvater> would like to keep it to a minimum
14:10:17  <dasy2k1> im struggling to compile openttd on knoppix, any suggestions?
14:10:18  <Bjarni> ok
14:10:40  <Darkvater> ok, I'll commit and ask later about pathfind
14:11:01  <stillunknown> there have been a huge amount of changes in the last few days, a lot of language stuff though
14:11:08  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7963 /branches/0.5/pathfind.c:
14:11:08  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7716, r7717, r7718):
14:11:08  <CIA-1>  - Bad signal propagation through tunnel-ends, incompatible railtype signal propagation
14:11:08  <CIA-1>  still possible (not fixed).
14:12:12  <Bjarni> heh. Nice post in the RC2 thread. Is the problem with his or MiHaMiX's email :)
14:13:32  <Maedhros> dasy2k1: that depends on what you mean by "struggle". without any details, we can't help much ;)
14:13:38  <Bjarni> or just that MiHaMiX got tons to emails to go though and that he is not done yet
14:14:23  <dasy2k1> ok i wil brb so i cna copy and paste the errors
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14:15:14  <dasy2k1> ok im back
14:15:20  <Bjarni> we noticed
14:15:24  <Bjarni> :)
14:16:08  <Bjarni> you were sadly missed for 48 sec
14:16:08  <dasy2k1> ok long errror listy coming up
14:16:12  <dasy2k1> lol
14:16:16  <dasy2k1> knoppix@1[openttd-miniIN]$ make
14:16:16  <dasy2k1> /bin/sh: svnversion: command not found
14:16:16  <dasy2k1> /bin/sh: svn: command not found
14:16:16  <dasy2k1> make: sdl-config: Command not found
14:16:16  <dasy2k1> make: sdl-config: Command not found
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14:16:18  <dasy2k1> make: libpng-config: Command not found
14:16:19  <dasy2k1> make: libpng-config: Command not found
14:16:21  <dasy2k1> make: freetype-config: Command not found
14:16:23  <dasy2k1> make: freetype-config: Command not found
14:16:25  <Darkvater> crap gotta go
14:16:25  <dasy2k1> Package fontconfig was not found in the pkg-config search path.
14:16:29  <dasy2k1> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `fontconfig.pc'
14:16:29  <Darkvater> well release tonight then
14:16:31  <dasy2k1> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
14:16:33  <dasy2k1> No package 'fontconfig' found
14:16:35  <dasy2k1> Package fontconfig was not found in the pkg-config search path.
14:16:37  <dasy2k1> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `fontconfig.pc'
14:16:39  <dasy2k1> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
14:16:41  <dasy2k1> No package 'fontconfig' found
14:16:43  <dasy2k1> ===> Generating table/strings.h
14:16:45  <dasy2k1> ===> DEP rev.c
14:16:47  <dasy2k1> /bin/sh: svnversion: command not found
14:16:49  <dasy2k1> /bin/sh: svn: command not found
14:16:51  <dasy2k1> make: sdl-config: Command not found
14:16:53  <dasy2k1> make: sdl-config: Command not found
14:16:54  <Bjarni> bye Darkvater
14:16:55  <dasy2k1> make: libpng-config: Command not found
14:16:59  <dasy2k1> make: libpng-config: Command not found
14:16:59  <Bjarni> when will you be back?
14:17:01  <dasy2k1> make: freetype-config: Command not found
14:17:02  <Maedhros> o_O
14:17:03  <dasy2k1> make: freetype-config: Command not found
14:17:05  <dasy2k1> Package fontconfig was not found in the pkg-config search path.
14:17:07  <dasy2k1> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `fontconfig.pc'
14:17:09  <dasy2k1> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
14:17:11  <Bjarni> dasy2k1: please never do that again
14:17:11  <dasy2k1> No package 'fontconfig' found
14:17:13  <dasy2k1> Package fontconfig was not found in the pkg-config search path.
14:17:15  <dasy2k1> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `fontconfig.pc'
14:17:17  <dasy2k1> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
14:17:19  <dasy2k1> No package 'fontconfig' found
14:17:21  <dasy2k1> ===> Generating table/strings.h
14:17:23  <dasy2k1> ===> Compiling fontcache.c
14:17:25  <dasy2k1> fontcache.c:17:22: error: ft2build.h: No such file or directory
14:17:29  <dasy2k1> fontcache.c:18:10: error: #include expects "FILENAME" or <FILENAME>
14:17:31  <dasy2k1> fontcache.c:19:10: error: #include expects "FILENAME" or <FILENAME>
14:17:33  <dasy2k1> fontcache.c:22:35: error: fontconfig/fontconfig.h: No such file or directory
14:17:35  <dasy2k1> fontcache.c:25: error: syntax error before '_library'
14:17:37  <dasy2k1> fontcache.c:25: warning: type defaults to 'int' in declaration of '_library'
14:17:39  <dasy2k1> fontcache.c:25: warning: initialization makes integer from pointer without a cast
14:17:41  <dasy2k1> fontca
14:17:41  <Bjarni> ...
14:17:43  <dasy2k1> bue
14:17:45  <dasy2k1> *bye
14:17:47  <dasy2k1> which?
14:17:57  <Bjarni> paste that much in the channel
14:18:02  <dasy2k1> ok sorry
14:18:08  <Bjarni> that's why there are sites like
14:18:38  <dasy2k1> i have never come across sites like that before
14:18:42  <Bjarni> it looks like you miss a whole lot of libs
14:18:48  <dasy2k1> thans for introducing them
14:19:59  <dasy2k1> hmm probabnly a problem with knoppix
14:19:59  <Bjarni> well, first of all, ensure that you got SDL or you will not be able to get a graphical interface
14:20:27  <peter1138> run ./configure, heh
14:20:28  <dasy2k1> when i get my replacement HDD i will install a proper OS
14:20:35  <peter1138> and also, install dependencies
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14:21:35  <dasy2k1> yeh it seems that knoppix iant bundled with sdl
14:21:48  <dasy2k1> ok well
14:21:57  <Bjarni> add it or you will only be able to get dedicated servers
14:22:02  <dasy2k1> i wil just have to use my old slow comp with fedora
14:22:04  <Bjarni> maybe you want one of those though
14:22:04  <Darkvater> peter1138: can you check r7963 for me?
14:22:11  <Darkvater> gotta run, bb later
14:22:30  <dasy2k1> little difficult installit anything libary wise with a live cd
14:22:37  <Bjarni> yeah
14:22:47  <Bjarni> you need to make a new CD
14:23:11  <dasy2k1> i think i will wait till my HDD arrives then isnatll fedora
14:23:18  <Bjarni> heh, I remember when I tried knoppix with DistCC... great idea... didn't support my ethernet card though
14:23:34  <Bjarni> that kind of spoiled the idea
14:23:35  <stillunknown> KUDr: i was able to merge the changes
14:23:46  <KUDr> good
14:24:01  <stillunknown> are you almost done?
14:24:05  <dasy2k1> on a totally differnt question how do you merge a .diff file into a build?
14:24:19  <Bjarni> patch -p0 -i file.diff
14:24:21  <KUDr> stillunknown: few simple conflicts
14:24:27  <dasy2k1> thanks
14:24:34  <peter1138> Darkvater: hee, looks ok, i think
14:24:47  <peter1138> you patch a diff into the source
14:25:02  <peter1138> the build is... well, built
14:25:18  * peter1138 turns off his pedanticism
14:25:23  <Bjarni> you can use patch -p0 < file.diff, but I stopped doing that when I turned the < the wrong way and deleted my diff file :s
14:26:00  <dasy2k1> oops
14:26:14  <Bjarni> well, I had to redownload it, but still
14:26:20  <dasy2k1> thats allways easy to do with that type of pipe
14:26:47  <Bjarni> imagine if it were my own diff and I didn't have a backup
14:26:54  <dasy2k1> yeh nasty
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14:27:26  <dasy2k1> when i code stuff i keep a copy of the code as a plan text file that is away from the compile area
14:27:34  <dasy2k1> *plain
14:27:44  <Bjarni> that's not needed with svn
14:27:59  <dasy2k1> true
14:28:06  <peter1138> ...
14:28:11  <Bjarni> but making diff files once in a while is a good idea
14:28:11  <peter1138> the code *is* a plain text file...
14:28:18  <Maedhros> i've svn reverted all my changes by accident before...
14:28:34  <dasy2k1>  but sadly my coding skills are nowhere near anywhere near where i need svn
14:29:12  <stillunknown> Maedhros: you are involved with newhouses iirc?
14:29:13  <Bjarni> dasy2k1: may I recommend "hello world"
14:29:14  <dasy2k1> i know that it is,, i just mean saving with a diffent extention somwhere elce (not that the eatention means anything on *nix)
14:29:37  <Maedhros> stillunknown: i am indeed
14:29:44  <dasy2k1> lol
14:30:11  <stillunknown> Maedhros: you know it asserts every time there is a day in the week?
14:30:33  <Maedhros> really?
14:30:44  <Maedhros> hmm... that's odd :o
14:30:55  <stillunknown> takes a few game months
14:31:20  <stillunknown> problematic are the stock building for one
14:31:29  <stillunknown> in ttrs
14:31:33  <Maedhros> yeah, ttrs3 isn't fully supported yet
14:31:45  <Maedhros> it shouldn't assert though
14:31:59  <stillunknown> the stock building demolishes
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14:32:11  <stillunknown> but a building site "icon" stays
14:32:15  <dasy2k1> seems to be nothing to do with somwhere where you can paste random stuff and link to it
14:32:29  <stillunknown> somehow the tile associated with the building is out of the map
14:33:13  <peter1138> every time there is a day in the week < so always?
14:33:20  <peter1138> is there ever a time a week has no days?
14:33:42  <Bjarni> good question
14:33:42  <stillunknown> no, it was a joke
14:33:50  <Bjarni> we once had a week with 8 days in it
14:34:03  <Bjarni> so we got two Sundays in a single week
14:34:12  <peter1138> that sounds like a good plan
14:34:15  <peter1138> i'd extend it though
14:34:21  <dasy2k1> yeh cool
14:34:30  <dasy2k1> a 3 day weekend
14:34:49  <Maedhros> dasy2k1:,, and do though
14:34:53  <stillunknown> dasy2k1: try or or many other places that exist
14:35:11  <Bjarni> the reason was that we used to start a new week on Sundays, but then somebody (EU?) decided that companies would benefit from an international standard where all weeks starts on a Monday and to convert to the new system, we had to have a week with two Sundays
14:35:27  <dasy2k1> LOL
14:35:58  <peter1138> well that makes no sense
14:36:28  <Bjarni> I can remember when the calendars showed Sundays as the first day of the week, so it's not that long ago
14:36:39  <Bjarni> or maybe I'm just old :P
14:36:56  <peter1138> yes
14:37:04  <dasy2k1> everyone does it diffentntly
14:37:07  <Bjarni> well, one doesn't rule out the other
14:37:10  <peter1138> but changing the start of the week has no consequence to the days themselves
14:37:29  <dasy2k1> i know somone who said that the week ended on friday and the new one started on saturday
14:37:34  <peter1138> sunday/monday week start is purely a personal preference
14:37:49  <peter1138> maybe it's one of those "forced defaults" DaleStan likes to talk about...
14:37:57  <Bjarni> no, but they wanted the Sunday in week X to be the same in call countries, not one date in one country and another one in another country
14:38:01  <Bjarni> to avoid mistakes
14:38:20  <dasy2k1> ah
14:38:29  <dasy2k1> i never bother with week numbers
14:38:39  <Bjarni> companies do
14:38:54  <peter1138> but that meant you days are different
14:38:58  <peter1138> so who fucked that one up?
14:39:05  <peter1138> *your
14:39:20  <peter1138> danish, feh ;p
14:39:45  <Bjarni> I didn't say that
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14:39:56  <Bjarni> a Sunday is a Sunday everywhere and that never changed
14:40:04  <dasy2k1> so what day and date do you make it?
14:40:45  <peter1138> if you had 8 days in a week, and two sundays
14:40:45  <peter1138> if you had 8 days in a week, and two sundit must bhave been wrong at some point
14:40:51  <peter1138> wtf
14:41:12  <dasy2k1> gah my computer makes it the first of july!!!
14:41:32  <dasy2k1> stupid american date format!
14:41:45  * peter1138 >off
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14:44:06  <KUDr> Darkvater: tunnelbridge_cmd.c around 374:
14:44:07  <KUDr> 		Axis axis = AxisToTrack(direction);
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14:44:32  <stillunknown> AxisToTrack returns a "Track" type
14:44:41  <KUDr> after merging it to [cpp] there is:
14:44:43  <KUDr> p:\proj\svn\openttd\cpp\cur\src\tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp(374) : error C2440: 'initializing' : cannot convert from 'Track' to 'Axis'
14:45:16  <KUDr> All: do you see, why we should use CPP !?
14:45:23  <KUDr> ^^^
14:46:17  <KUDr> Bjarni, peter1138: ^^^
14:47:22  <KUDr> the same can happen to you too
14:47:36  <Bjarni> KUDr: Darkvater left
14:48:08  <peter1138> oh piss off
14:48:37  <stillunknown> Let's all be nice :-)
14:48:46  <Bjarni> I'm always nice
14:50:11  <Maedhros> stillunknown: do you have a savegame showing that assert that you can send me?
14:50:42  <stillunknown> you don't need a savegame, just start ttrs3
14:50:54  <stillunknown> it happens always
14:51:15  <Maedhros> i have. it's been running for 3 years so far, with no problems
14:51:20  <Bjarni> I once got such a bug report. Just do and then it crashes
14:51:24  <Bjarni> and it worked fine for me
14:51:29  <Bjarni> turned out to be CPU specific
14:51:32  <stillunknown> will make a savegame soon
14:52:26  <caladan> Bjarni: what CPU?
14:52:44  <Bjarni> PPC/x86
14:53:00  <caladan> ah..., ok
14:53:05  <Bjarni> or more likely: big endian vs little endian
14:53:49  <Bjarni> but "it happens every time, so just do it" and it worked for me... this is important to know when writing bug reports
14:55:09  <Bjarni> I once read about a (non-OTTD) bug that was not always present and it turned out that it was due to what time it was. When it passed 00 in minutes, it broke and got fixed when the number got higher than 30 or something. It had no logical connection to the clock though, so it took ages to figure out
14:55:30  <setrodox> heh
14:56:07  <stillunknown> Maedhros: post on bugtracker?
14:58:13  <Maedhros> if you can post it somewhere else that might be easier...
14:58:57  <Maedhros> the newhouses forum topic, maybe:
15:02:17  <Bjarni> <--- vista just keep getting "better" and "better" :D
15:03:06  <Sacro> i used to use that :(
15:03:28  <caladan> use linux instead :>
15:03:43  <Sacro> does that support it?
15:03:50  <Sacro> and using linux doesnt really help
15:03:56  <caladan> as far as i remember it does
15:03:59  <caladan> let me check
15:06:28  <caladan> yes it should work
15:06:39  <setrodox> yes, it does
15:06:52  <caladan> seen that in kernel few days ago
15:06:54  <Sacro> but thats no good for a network for windows games
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15:07:15  <caladan> true, just dont buy vista ;]
15:07:20  <setrodox> i used it to bridge in a computer because i had no cat5e cable left ^^
15:11:08  <Bjarni> I once used it to download stuff into a newly installed OS, so it got the security updates. The computer with the ethernet cable then acted as "firewall" so all incoming ports were blocked until security updates and firewall were in place
15:11:29  <Sacro> caladan: ill probably get it for free
15:11:30  <Bjarni> and I could not bridge ethernet to ethernet to make that happen
15:11:51  <stillunknown> Maedrhos:
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15:12:47  <SpComb> Logs:
15:12:47  <Digitalfox> !logs
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15:14:09  <Maedhros> stillunknown: thanks
15:14:13  <MeusH> hello
15:14:28  <caladan> Sacro: I'm not going to install Vista until i have something stronger than Athlon64-3200 with 1GB RAM :D
15:14:47  <Sacro> caladan: heh, i have X2 4600+ with 2GB RAM
15:15:08  <Bjarni> I'm not going to install vista because... I don't need to do so :D
15:15:19  <caladan> Sacro: hope that's enough :D
15:15:32  <Sacro> i could add another 2
15:15:44  <Sacro> but im waiting for 2GB sticks to appear at a reasonable price
15:16:37  <caladan> Huh... So it's better to set up beryl :D
15:16:41  <caladan> TO have nice gfx
15:17:35  <stillunknown> but why, who really needs stuff like beryl?
15:17:48  <CIA-1> KUDr * r7964 /branches/cpp/ (37 files in 9 dirs): Sync with trunk (r7821:7961)
15:18:53  <caladan> Noone, that's just eye candy
15:19:18  <caladan> I always turn off most eye candys, cause they just disturb me
15:19:59  <stillunknown> AA is awfull, subpixel is yuck
15:20:17  <stillunknown> *subpixel AA
15:22:23  <stillunknown> caladan: you use a DE?
15:22:33  <caladan> hmm? DE?
15:22:46  <stillunknown> Desktop Environment
15:22:54  <caladan> i use KDE
15:23:01  <caladan> mostly
15:23:41  <stillunknown> yuck
15:23:50  <caladan> hehe
15:23:57  <caladan> i dont like gnome
15:24:14  <stillunknown> me neither
15:24:21  <caladan> and got quite fast machine, so i dont have to stick to WindowMaker or Xfce
15:24:43  <stillunknown> i used openbox for quite some time
15:24:53  <stillunknown> Then i switched to ion3.
15:25:03  <stillunknown> A pretty nice WM.
15:25:11  <stillunknown> (=Window Manager)
15:25:15  <caladan> Dont know these
15:25:23  <caladan> is it in portage? :D
15:25:35  <stillunknown> ion3 is outdated in portage possibly
15:26:29  <stillunknown> pretty outdated, better looks on b.g.o
15:26:32  <stillunknown> *look
15:26:44  <stillunknown> bugtracker
15:27:10  <stillunknown> but it's only usefull if you are willing to read a man page
15:27:29  <stillunknown> took me an hour before i knew the basic things, but after that it's nice
15:28:24  <caladan> Hmm, if i had to change my WM i would take WindowMaker of Xfce
15:29:43  <caladan> thou i merged KDE as kdebase-meta, so i dont have packages I downt want
15:34:52  <Smoovious> for bug-checking, which would you guys rather have us testing, RC2 or nightly?
15:35:18  <KUDr> RC3
15:35:33  <Smoovious> isn't up on the download page
15:35:55  <stillunknown> RC2 is bugged anyway
15:36:00  <KUDr> once will
15:36:13  <KUDr> DV wants to issue it today
15:36:17  <stillunknown> RC3 is nearby, 0.5 branch is what RC3 will become
15:36:24  <Smoovious> ok, I'll _try_ to hold out for it
15:36:31  * Smoovious starts getting a little jittery.
15:36:35  <Maedhros> can anyone involved with the bridge branch help me make sense of this traceback?
15:36:47  <KUDr> Smoovious: checkout 0.5
15:37:21  <Smoovious> um, thanks, but I'm not up to speed on where everything is found, and if that is source, I can't compile yet
15:37:26  <Maedhros> this is what's causing the newhouses assert...
15:37:36  <peter1138> 12001 -> 65536? o_O
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15:38:25  <Maedhros> yeah, the value of tile is changing all over the place :-S
15:38:41  <peter1138> time to run with full debugging
15:38:42  <Rubidium_> Maedhros: I suspect that the bridge bits m6:6-7 are not cleared when destroying a house.
15:39:00  <Maedhros> ooh. good point
15:39:12  <peter1138> hmm
15:39:20  <peter1138> yeah
15:39:45  <KUDr> Smoovious: then you can help me to test [cpp] branch
15:39:56  <KUDr> in meanwhile
15:40:10  <peter1138> Maedhros: if you try with --debug-level=3 (i.e.slow) it'll probably have all the right values)
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15:40:42  <stillunknown> depends how up to date the branch is
15:40:43  <Rubidium_> peter1138: probably not... the -O bug in trunk is still in newhouses
15:40:45  <Smoovious> KUDr, ok, fill me in
15:41:00  <KUDr> Smoovious: what OS?
15:41:08  <Smoovious> Win2k
15:41:20  <KUDr> ok
15:41:33  <blathijs> stillunknown: ion3 is quite nice indeed, yes
15:43:14  <Maedhros> peter1138: yeah, that was the result of using debug-level=3 - i tried it first without debugging symbols and ended up with a lot of '????' :)
15:43:43  <peter1138> oh, hehe
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15:45:34  <Rubidium_> Maedhros: shall I do a sync of newhouses, or are you doing it?
15:46:03  <Maedhros> i'm not going it at the moment, no
15:46:10  <Maedhros> err, doing
15:46:34  <peter1138> just take out the -O for now/
15:46:35  <peter1138> ?
15:48:06  <CIA-1> rubidium * r7965 / (65 files in 11 dirs): [NewHouses] -Sync: with trunk r7782:7961.
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15:50:17  <Maedhros> Rubidium_: thanks for doing that
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15:52:06  <MeusH> hello Tron and Tron_
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15:57:41  <Eddi|zuHause2> yay, i think i got the bridges working with PBS ;)
15:59:04  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's not exactly nice, but that fits the style of PBS ;)
16:00:30  <Eddi|zuHause2> was there ever a fix to the "towns build roads under the bridge" thing?
16:01:08  <stillunknown> is that a bug?
16:01:54  <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, they think they can continue the bridge ramp on the ground
16:02:13  <Eddi|zuHause2> so you end up with a road directly under the bridge
16:02:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> in the same direction
16:03:07  <Maedhros> stillunknown: please could you try and see if the assert still happens with this patch? it seems to work here
16:03:10  <Maedhros>
16:04:00  <Rubidium_> Maedhros: that destroys bridges when you clear any tile beneath a bridge
16:04:31  <Maedhros> grrr
16:06:27  <stillunknown> flying trains :-)
16:07:17  <stillunknown> but it doesn't seemt to assert, so you need to find a prettier way to do this
16:09:35  <Rubidium_> Maedhros: what about explicitly removing the bridge when clearing a MP_HOUSE tile? I think somewhere after line 1356 in town_cmd.c would work.
16:10:41  <Digitalfox> Pretty cool.. I didn't know that now we can destroy everything beneath a bridge and the bridge isn't destroyed, only is destroyed by the start of it
16:10:55  <Maedhros> Rubidium_: we'll have to do this for all non-bridgable tiles which use those bits of m6 though, so wouldn't a generic solution be better?
16:12:26  <Rubidium_> Maedhros: true, but those pieces do not use those bits (yet) and if the 'new map array' really becomes reality, it's not a problem either anymore
16:15:35  <Darkvater> bakk
16:16:33  <Maedhros> well, how about this, which should be generic and not destroy bridges:
16:18:44  <Darkvater> KUDr: it's not my fault...the code was like that..basides it WAS YAPF code ;)
16:18:53  <Rubidium_> Maedhros: looks fine to me
16:22:18  <stillunknown> it still destroys bridges for some reason
16:22:50  <Rubidium_> stillunknown: under which circumstances?
16:23:19  <stillunknown> i have to go, but i just built a bridge, nothing special and i can clear parts of it
16:24:22  <Maedhros> did you refresh the patch? it changed, but had the same filename. also, did you recompile after applying the new one?
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16:27:41  <Eddi|zuHause2> <Rubidium_> Maedhros: what about explicitly removing the bridge when clearing a MP_HOUSE tile? I think somewhere after line 1356 in town_cmd.c would work. <- such a thing is done already for tree tiles, afaik
16:27:57  <Eddi|zuHause2> if i understand the problem correctly
16:27:58  <Maedhros> ugh
16:28:30  <Darkvater> OMG
16:28:36  <Darkvater>
16:28:43  <Eddi|zuHause2> +			case MP_TREES:
16:28:43  <Eddi|zuHause2> +				MakeClear(tile, CLEAR_ROCKS, 3);
16:28:43  <Eddi|zuHause2> +				ClearBridgeMiddle(tile);
16:28:43  <Eddi|zuHause2> +				break;
16:28:43  <Darkvater> did nobody test this???
16:28:52  <Darkvater> [ 1629560 ] Trains can use other bridges and tunnels
16:30:19  <Maedhros> Eddi|zuHause2: hmm. that sucks
16:30:51  <Tron> Maedhros: guess why i didn't consider it finished. but /somebody/ thought otherwise
16:31:18  <Tron> <Darkvater> KUDr: it's not my fault...the code was like that..basides it WAS YAPF code ;) <--- neg
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16:31:54  <KUDr> no
16:32:56  <KUDr> [17:20:46] <Darkvater> KUDr: it's not my fault...the code was like that..basides it WAS YAPF code ;) << you made Track become Axis
16:33:05  <Darkvater> eh...
16:33:17  <Darkvater> oh crap
16:33:19  <Darkvater> he
16:33:25  <Darkvater> ;p
16:33:32  <Darkvater> mixed up return types ;p
16:33:32  <KUDr> but with cpp it can't happen
16:33:39  <KUDr> this is what i wanted to tell
16:33:45  <KUDr> not to blame you
16:34:18  <Darkvater> I won't backport this though
16:34:22  <Darkvater> static inline Track AxisToTrack(Axis a)
16:34:22  <Darkvater> { return (Track)a;
16:34:22  <Darkvater> }
16:34:59  <KUDr> ok, i thought you backported it already
16:35:06  <Darkvater> no I mean the fix for this
16:35:16  <KUDr> ahh
16:35:25  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7966 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.c: -Fix (r7936): Eh AxisToTrack returns Track not Axis, thanks KUDr
16:35:25  <KUDr> AxisToTrack is so crappy?
16:35:34  <Darkvater> ?
16:36:01  <KUDr> [17:36:24] <Darkvater> static inline Track AxisToTrack(Axis a)
16:36:02  <KUDr> [17:36:24] <Darkvater> { return (Track)a;
16:36:02  <KUDr> [17:36:25] <Darkvater> }
16:36:11  <KUDr> this does nothing
16:36:19  <Darkvater> I don't know if you guys see it but the flyspray bug-list is getting BIGGER and bigger and nobody fixes stuff from it...
16:36:38  <KUDr> true
16:43:51  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7967 /branches/0.5/ (5 files in 3 dirs): - Prepare 0.5 branch for release. Update readme's, bugs, installers, changelog, etc. to 0.5.0-RC3
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16:47:30  <Darkvater> I know the bugs left there are not the easy bugs cause those are solved...but still
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16:49:44  <Bjarni> ohh, just remembered another (minor) bug I should look into
16:50:03  <Bjarni> sometimes the free space (in the load/save window) is 0 on OSX and sometimes it works
16:50:22  <Bjarni> I haven't figured out why it fails yet though
16:51:25  <Bjarni> Darkvater: maybe that should be mentioned as known bugs
16:51:50  * Bjarni goes to write a bug report before he forgets to do so
16:53:29  <Maedhros> well, what's the best way to fix the newhouses assert? my patch, or adding ClearBridgeMiddle somewhere in town_cmd.c?
16:53:49  <Maedhros> and if it's the patch, should it go into trunk? (without m7 of course...)
16:55:21  <Darkvater> brb
16:55:44  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7968 /trunk/src/ (37 files in 3 dirs): -Update copyright/etc information to 2007
16:56:01  <Darkvater> Maedhros: I don't remember exactly what the convention is, but I think the clear or destroy functions all clean up the map information for them (eg reset to 0)
16:56:08  <Darkvater> if that's so then clearbridgemiddle needs fixing
16:57:55  <Maedhros> Darkvater: the problem is that houses use the same bits as bridges do, but m6 isn't cleared anywhere when houses are destroyed
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16:58:24  <Maedhros> ClearBridgeMiddle will clear those bits in m6 manually, but it'll need to be used whenever something is removed that uses that part of m6
16:58:54  <Maedhros> ...that was a horrible sentence :o
16:59:56  <Bjarni> Darkvater: <-- add this one to known bugs (I just wrote it)
17:01:05  <Bjarni> Darkvater:
17:01:06  <Bjarni> -STR_00BA_COPYRIGHT_OPENTTD                                      :{BLACK}OpenTTD {COPYRIGHT}2002-2006 The OpenTTD team
17:01:06  <Bjarni> +STR_00BA_COPYRIGHT_OPENTTD                                      :{BLACK}OpenTTD {COPYRIGHT}2002-20067 The OpenTTD team
17:01:22  <Bjarni> are you sure we still work on this game in year 20067?
17:01:35  <Bjarni> that seems like a long time plan, specially for a piece of software
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17:07:47  <Tron> KUDr: AXIS_X == 0 == TRACK_X, AXIS_Y == 1 == TRACK_Y
17:08:50  <KUDr> aha
17:08:55  <KUDr> nice :)
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17:11:13  <MeusH> Bjarni: The faster I move my mouse, the faster and smoother about box text scrolls
17:11:22  <MeusH> it's a bit strange imo
17:11:56  <Maedhros> haha, nice
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17:17:58  <Frostregen> the text-plop-in/out is more annoying
17:18:15  <Bjarni> omg
17:18:24  <Bjarni> MeusH found a serious bug
17:18:29  <Frostregen> really important ;)
17:18:30  <MeusH> go on
17:18:31  <Bjarni> but... did you actually read what it says?
17:18:42  <Bjarni> KUDr coded YAPG
17:18:44  <MeusH> aha
17:18:46  <MeusH> no
17:18:46  <Bjarni> :D
17:18:52  <MeusH> KUDr is YAPG
17:19:02  <MeusH> that's the point I think :)
17:19:14  <MeusH> I like developing with sence of humour
17:19:27  <Bjarni> Yet Another Pathfinder Guru?
17:19:29  <Bjarni> hmm
17:19:31  <Bjarni> could be
17:19:34  <MeusH> God
17:19:45  <Bjarni> no, that's my task
17:27:42  <MeusH> speaking of STR_00BA_COPYRIGHT_OPENTTD
17:27:45  <MeusH> When will you fix it?
17:27:51  <Darkvater> NEVER!
17:27:56  <MeusH> :p
17:28:18  <MeusH> I've spotted a bug in polish translation and I'd like to fix it, so I'll fix that 20067, too, ok?
17:28:25  <Darkvater> no
17:28:31  <MeusH> okay
17:28:39  <MeusH> you've got a cool script, haven't you?
17:29:19  <Darkvater> search&replace
17:30:56  <MeusH> now it will be uncool if you search&replace before MiHaMiX's commit
17:31:27  <raimar2> [LANG] Generating table/strings.h
17:31:28  <raimar2> /home/hawk/ott/trunk/src/lang/english.txt:1495: error: String ID 0x0 for 'STR_0800_COST' already in use by 'STR_002E'
17:31:29  <raimar2> ...
17:31:38  <raimar2> /home/hawk/ott/trunk/src/lang/english.txt:1511: error: String ID 0x0 for 'STR_0810_DESERT' already in use by 'STR_002E'
17:31:38  <raimar2> make[1]: *** [table/strings.h] Error 1
17:31:43  <raimar2> known problem?
17:32:30  <Darkvater> raimar2: svn up
17:32:45  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7969 /trunk/src/lang/ (36 files in 2 dirs): *whistle* 20067 has not yet come to pass; it's 2007 (I think my search&replace broke)
17:32:51  <Darkvater> I donnu what search&replace did there with the ##id
17:33:44  <raimar2> yup, error gone
17:34:48  <blathijs> wtf, do we have 36 files with the current year in our source?
17:34:49  <blathijs> why???
17:35:26  <Bjarni> because somebody decided to make it like that
17:35:37  <Bjarni> that's the best explanation I can give you
17:36:45  <Smoovious> redundancy?
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17:39:08  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7970 /branches/0.5/ (31 files in 2 dirs):
17:39:08  <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7968, r7969):
17:39:08  <CIA-1>  - Update year throughout the program to 2007
17:39:08  <CIA-1>  - Minor update to changelog, known-bugs file (Bjarni)
17:39:36  <Darkvater> donnu why. but the string is translatable, so that's why
17:40:38  <valhallasw> what about a CONST revyear?
17:41:07  <Darkvater> more work than just updating once a year
17:41:41  * stillunknown just tried running a maglev over normal track, was funny, although it seemed to barely accelerate on normal rail
17:42:08  <valhallasw> Adding the const, adding it everywhere, and changing the const 2 times is less word than 3 search & replaces :P
17:42:35  <valhallasw> 'should I do it'? :P
17:42:43  <Darkvater> it's more work
17:42:54  <Smoovious> in the short-term
17:42:56  <Darkvater> you need to udpate strgen and string.c as well
17:43:05  <Darkvater> debug, test, lose performance
17:43:19  <valhallasw> performance in compiling maybe
17:43:29  <valhallasw> but that's not going to be noticeable
17:43:31  <Darkvater> also in string-handling
17:43:59  <valhallasw> consts are changed to the correct value before compiling...
17:44:12  <Darkvater> (not-noticable ever yes, but still, it enforces my point )
17:44:17  <Darkvater> and strgen has no notion of consts
17:44:22  <Darkvater> so you have to code that as well
17:44:46  <Bjarni> ohh
17:44:58  <Bjarni> so now performance is important when it comes to the about window?
17:45:22  <Darkvater> ^^
17:45:30  <hylje> wtf in making
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17:46:01  <valhallasw> let's do something useful
17:46:05  <valhallasw> like learning calculus
17:46:14  <Bjarni> maybe the about window should be accessible from main menu
17:46:50  <Frostregen> yup... a small "?" at some edge
17:47:02  <Frostregen> took me 4 minutes to find it ingame
17:47:49  <valhallasw> wasnt there an about button in TTDX?
17:48:41  <Smoovious> I only remember there being one in-game for TTDX also
17:48:47  <Bjarni> nobody said that we should do everything as TTDX. We should make improvement that's not in TTDX if we want to
17:50:01  <Darkvater> valhallasw: there wasn't
17:50:12  <Darkvater> I like the about box as it is
17:50:32  <Bjarni> nobody wanted to remove it
17:50:47  <Bjarni> I just wondered if we should make it available from the main menu
17:50:49  <Darkvater> and where it is
17:51:09  <Darkvater> shit, got only 2 minutes left and vs2003 is still compiling :s
17:51:17  <Bjarni> we don't have to remove it if we add access to it in another location
17:51:19  <stillunknown> Bjarni: maybe make sound settings accessible as well
17:51:26  <Darkvater> Bjarni: I'll tag RC3 can you handle the SF things?
17:51:36  <Darkvater> I'll up the win binaries tonight and make forums post, etc.
17:51:40  <Smoovious> now the sound-settings I could get behind
17:51:45  <Darkvater> you can update website/forums if you want
17:52:06  <Bjarni> well
17:52:19  <Bjarni> should we release with only the OSX binary?
17:52:25  <Smoovious> maybe show the map zoomed out during map generation too...
17:52:34  <Darkvater> I'll edit your post then later tonight with the full changelog etc
17:52:49  <Darkvater> Bjarni: a paper launch ^^
17:53:15  <stillunknown> Bjarni: don't you have compile farms for that?
17:53:16  <Bjarni> sure I can upload the OSX binary to OSX, no question there
17:53:30  <Bjarni> stillunknown: no. I can only make OSX binaries
17:53:37  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7971 /tags/0.5.0-RC3/ (6 files): Release 0.5.0-RC3
17:53:40  <MeusH> Bjarni, why?
17:53:57  <Bjarni> because I don't have access to the compiler farm, that's why ;)
17:54:06  <MeusH> aha :)
17:55:03  <Darkvater> bye guys :)
17:55:10  <Bjarni> bye Darkvater
17:55:16  * Smoovious wavies.
17:55:25  <Bjarni> I wonder what to do now :)
17:55:30  <Darkvater> Bjarni: you can upload source etc.
17:55:38  <Bjarni> oh yeah
17:55:40  <Bjarni> source...
17:55:51  <Darkvater> make a nice post on website
17:55:59  <Darkvater> flaming that damned icelandic lazy bum translator
17:56:07  * Darkvater votes for removing icelandic from 0.5
17:56:11  <Darkvater> ok relly gone
17:56:13  <hylje> :o
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17:57:10  <XeryusTC> wtf, RC3?
17:57:12  <XeryusTC> :o
17:57:37  <Eddi|zuHause2> i recently learned that iceland has about as many inhabitants as my home city :p
17:58:01  <hylje> zomg, germany
17:58:43  <MeusH> hello glx
17:59:29  <XeryusTC> dude, frisian, no one speaks frisian anymore
18:00:09  <MeusH> make silly language!
18:00:13  <MeusH> in aurabesh :p
18:00:25  <MeusH> with unicode, we can make some old germanic languages with runes
18:00:59  <hylje> :O
18:01:01  <hylje> elvish
18:01:05  <hylje> of tolkien
18:01:15  <hylje> also klingon, haxor
18:01:45  <XeryusTC> ancient greek!
18:01:45  <MeusH> yeah, 0P3N 77D over all :)
18:01:50  <MeusH> latin!
18:01:53  <MeusH> I know latin
18:02:04  <XeryusTC> MeusH: what is he like?
18:02:07  <MeusH> Ego amo oficina ~ I love factory
18:02:15  <MeusH> he loves factories
18:02:28  <XeryusTC> hmm
18:02:31  <XeryusTC> what a weird guy :P
18:02:41  <Brianetta> Celestar: I am around now
18:02:49  <stillunknown> how about adding MeusH language, all strings called MeusH
18:02:56  <MeusH> :p
18:02:58  <MeusH> good idea
18:03:00  <MeusH> brb
18:03:26  <stillunknown> i want to MeusH my MeusH so i can MeusH my MeusH :-)
18:03:49  * HMage MeusH'es MeusHy MeusHers
18:04:15  <Smoovious> or "blah"
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18:04:48  <Bjarni> great, we got 15 pending strings in the translator system, that should have been in RC3 :P
18:05:01  <Sacro> roffle
18:05:26  <XeryusTC> :P
18:05:28  <stillunknown> what is it with these translators, you know how big a diff for a few days is?
18:05:47  <Rubidium_> they are actually doing something :)
18:05:54  <XeryusTC> hmm, cant we get a smurf translation?
18:06:05  <XeryusTC> "I'm sending my train to the smurf"
18:06:32  <Rubidium_> "I'm smurfing my smurf to the smurf" would be better :)
18:06:35  <Bjarni> "Smurfing for smurf in Depot"
18:06:42  <XeryusTC> :/
18:06:47  <Bjarni> is that stopping or service :P
18:06:50  <XeryusTC> you guys dont know anything about smurf :P
18:07:17  <Bjarni> I know more than Rubidium_
18:07:19  <XeryusTC> "Just wait while my road vehicle smurfs in some money"
18:07:24  <Bjarni> "my smurf"....
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18:08:38  <Brianetta> "I'm going to smurf Smurfette a good smurfing"
18:08:48  <Smoovious> smurfy...
18:09:02  <Brianetta> Sometimes the innuendo is transparent
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18:09:08  <hylje> hm
18:09:19  <Smoovious> maybe timmy from south park
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18:11:08  <XeryusTC> i dont think that oftc likes timmy :(
18:12:19  <Bjarni> hmm
18:12:29  <Bjarni> how to compress the source into a tarball?
18:12:39  <Bjarni> I always forget :(
18:13:12  <raimar2> tar cfv bla.tar directory
18:13:27  <glx> raimar2: not compressed :)
18:13:38  <Bjarni> I wondered about that as well
18:13:43  <glx> and f must be before the filename
18:13:44  <Bjarni> remember that people are to download  this
18:13:47  <Maedhros> add z to the options if you want it gzipped, and j if you want it bzip2ed
18:13:58  <stillunknown> tar -cf foo.tar foo && bzip foo.tar
18:14:58  <Bjarni> looks like I should make tar.bz2, tar.gz and .zip
18:15:42  <ln-> .zip for mac?
18:15:53  <glx> for windows
18:16:24  <Bjarni> we are not releasing sit source tarballs
18:18:01  <hylje> its not a tarball if sit is used?
18:18:29  <blathijs> what's sit?
18:18:39  <ln-> StuffIt® archive
18:18:43  <Bjarni> sit is a compression format used on mac
18:18:48  <Bjarni> it used to be good
18:18:51  <blathijs> ah
18:19:06  <ln-> but requires a 3rd party utility at least nowadays.
18:19:10  <Bjarni> now it's no better than zip and macs can't handle sit by default anymore
18:19:30  <Bjarni> and you need to give a zillion info about yourself to get the unstuff client
18:19:57  <hylje> now stuff tends to be distributed as disk images?
18:20:02  <ln-> and someone said the unstuff installation installs some kernel extension too?
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18:20:14  <ln-> hylje: correct
18:20:39  <Bjarni> I can't recall if it was the sit unstuff app or if it were some other freeware that demanded a valid VISA card for allowing downloads
18:21:03  <stillunknown> lol
18:21:07  * Maedhros looks at the problems turning off diagonal crossings if there are 2 trains on the same tile that Eddi|zuHause2 noticed
18:21:15  <Maedhros> that's going to be a bitch to fix...
18:21:52  <Eddi|zuHause2> i can imagine ;)
18:22:00  <Bjarni> hmm
18:22:06  <Bjarni> I don't have bzip :(
18:22:27  <Bjarni> glx, blathijs: do any of you want to make the tarballs?
18:22:34  <Bjarni> might be easier that way ;)
18:22:34  <blathijs> sure
18:22:45  <blathijs> Do you want the zip as well?
18:23:00  <Bjarni> that would be nice :)
18:23:02  <stillunknown> yawn, right music at the wrong time can be sleepy
18:23:12  <ln-> Bjarni: it's bzip2.
18:23:53  <Bjarni> RC2 got tarballs released as tar.bz2, tar.gz and .zip
18:24:00  <Bjarni> why do we need 3?
18:24:44  <stillunknown> zip is for windows
18:25:05  <Bjarni> nice, now I got the bzipped file anyway
18:25:07  <Bjarni> thanks :D
18:25:12  <stillunknown> bzip2 compresses better than gzip, but for some reason a lot is still released in gzip or both
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18:26:47  <blathijs> Bjarni: Uploading now
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18:26:59  <Bjarni> hmm
18:27:05  <Bjarni> we need .deb files as well
18:27:24  <blathijs> I'll handle those, as soon as the source tgz is available :-)
18:27:35  <Bjarni> ok
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18:28:58  <Smoovious> could just piss everyone off and release *nix, dos, and win versions in a zoo archive...
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18:30:23  <blathijs> Bjarni: Source is uploaded to sf
18:30:33  <Bjarni> ok
18:30:35  <Bjarni> good
18:30:46  <blathijs> 4786d99bca99e1310666fe9b88ed921a  openttd-0.5.0-RC3-source.tar.bz2
18:30:46  <blathijs> 70c47ea38a2c9b84bd3a4ec050ac1efc  openttd-0.5.0-RC3-source.tar.gz
18:30:46  <blathijs> 6bd256af0e85c8648d2bcd2fd61b1d34
18:30:47  <Bjarni> we need the md5 for those files as well
18:30:52  <blathijs> hah!
18:30:53  <Bjarni> wow, you are fast :)
18:31:16  <blathijs> I've got a infinite impropability drive installed into my notebook this morning
18:31:33  <Bjarni> yeah
18:31:45  <Bjarni> it took you 0 sec to create them
18:32:08  <blathijs> -1 really
18:32:12  <blathijs> 19:30 < blathijs> 6bd256af0e85c8648d2bcd2fd61b1d34
18:32:15  <blathijs> 19:30 <@Bjarni> we need the md5 for those files as well
18:33:48  <Bjarni> it says [19:30:46] on all the lines for me
18:34:02  <Bjarni> so it took less than a sec
18:34:14  <glx> 19:31:00 for me :)
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18:38:24  <MeusH> goodbye
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18:40:01  <ln-> MD5 has known weaknesses.
18:41:16  <Rubidium_> any hash is known to be weaker than just comparing it with the original...
18:42:17  <ln-> but it is possible to quite easily generate two files with the same MD5 hash.
18:42:28  <ln-> two non-equal files.
18:42:48  <Sacro> ln-: someone did it though
18:42:49  <blathijs> ln-: We're more protecting against transfer errors than actual modification
18:43:02  <Sacro> created 2 working exes that did different things, but had the same md5
18:43:25  <blathijs> Sacro: "it is possible"
18:43:35  <Bjarni> but is the modified one any good?
18:44:00  <Sacro> blathijs: yes, but he actually did it, rather than just being a concept
18:44:10  <Sacro> Bjarni: i cant remember what they both did
18:44:13  <ln-> Bjarni: depends on the file type.
18:44:20  <Bjarni> I mean, can it be modified in a way, so that the compressed file got the same md5 AND it will act in a harmful way like creating a backdoor?
18:44:53  <Rubidium_> Bjarni: yes, but with very low probability
18:45:30  <ln-> i think i've seen two postscript documents with the same MD5 hash but completely different contents.  (which is possible due to the nature of PS)
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18:49:33  <ln-> Bjarni: that's not possible yet, but since the chinese haven't revealed their methods, who knows if someone is already able to generate a desired MD5 hash.
18:50:28  <tokai|noir> Bjarni (or Darkvater): fa1e6bfb50ce3d1b930e9e129864f2e8  openttd-0.5.0-RC3-morphos.lha  ( incoming)
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19:08:01  <nairan> r6979 = last rc?
19:08:47  <blathijs> no, r7971
19:09:02  <blathijs> nairan: We're halfway releasing it, currently :-)
19:09:39  <Rubidium_> even so, release candidates shouldn't be referred by a revision.
19:10:09  <hylje> stable builds arent snapshots of trunk as is
19:10:10  <nairan> so realeses could be more far on but also changed a lot right?
19:10:22  <blathijs> huh?
19:10:46  <blathijs> nairan: If you want to fetch rc3 from svn you can just export svn://
19:10:52  <blathijs> or checkout
19:11:01  <Nigel> nairan, "<blathijs> nairan: We're halfway releasing it, currently :-)" pretty much sums it up
19:11:17  <Rubidium_> releasing RC3 that is
19:11:31  <SpComb> yawn
19:11:43  <Nigel> i thought blathijs was refering to 0.5.0 in general
19:12:08  <blathijs> no, I was referring to nairan's "last rc"
19:12:43  <blathijs> 2e1966ec44d783ef1837cc08deb85c33  openttd-0.5.0-RC3-amd64.deb
19:12:44  <blathijs> 1d9f11640fa7b3153b4539394634c99b  openttd-0.5.0-RC3-i386.deb
19:12:46  <Nigel> ahhh righty
19:12:51  <blathijs> Bjarni: ^^ Now available on sf
19:13:05  <blathijs> last rc being latest, not really last even
19:13:43  <ln-> are university lectures open to anyone in the netherlands?
19:14:51  * Maedhros should really try working on a gentoo ebuild
19:15:02  <blathijs> ln-: not officially I think
19:15:10  <blathijs> ln-: But there is no checking either
19:15:19  <blathijs> ln-: Not here anyway
19:15:33  <Rubidium_> still depends on what you call 'open'
19:15:44  <ln-> open = anyone can go listen
19:19:07  <ln-> even a tourist
19:21:08  <Rubidium_> then it's what blathijs said; it isn't officially, but in practice it would (probably) be no problem
19:23:02  <blathijs> ln-: Considering becoming a lecture tourist?
19:24:20  <ln-> i was thinking if i happen to go to amsterdam some time, it could be interesting to go listen to professor tanenbaum, if he's lecturing nowadays.
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19:33:51  <Bjarni> ok, now we only miss the windows builds
19:34:50  <Sacro> you want windows builds?
19:35:38  <hylje> :O
19:35:49  * Sacro can provide them
19:36:37  <Bjarni> no
19:36:50  <Bjarni> I want them from a trusted source only
19:36:53  <lolman> Oh Noes
19:36:57  <hylje> oh snap
19:37:02  <Sacro> i am trustable
19:37:31  <Maedhros> for Gentoo users:
19:37:38  <Smoovious> ouch
19:37:39  <Bjarni> as trustable as your parents?
19:37:51  <Sacro> well i dont trust my mum...
19:38:01  <lolman> I trust noone
19:38:02  <lolman> lol
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19:41:04  <Eddi|zuHause2> who did that hack that you can build bridges over stations?
19:42:30  <Bjarni> 	<lolman>	I trust noone <-- well, that will ensure that you will not get backstabbed by somebody you trust
19:42:53  <Smoovious> pretty much
19:43:18  <Bjarni> however since you don't trust me, I will backstab you when I get the chance :P
19:43:54  <lolman> Well that's hardly a departure from the norm ;-)
19:44:17  * hylje stabs Bjarni and lolman before they notice it
19:45:13  <Rubidium_> Maedhros: what about freetype and fontconfig support in the ebuild?
19:45:48  <Maedhros> ah. i thought i'd forgotten something...
19:46:36  <Bjarni> hylje: you can't do that...
19:46:40  <Bjarni> it would be against the law
19:50:09  <Smoovious> law doesn't mean you can't do something... it only establishes the price for it
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19:52:24  <Maedhros> heh...  $(error WITH_FONTCONFIG can't be used when FONTOCNFIG_CONFIG is not set.
19:52:53  <Maedhros> speeling++
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19:54:02  <mikk36> (13:31:39) (Celestar) Hinrik: mikk36[EST] <-- ???
19:54:39  <Rubidium_> he was just a little too enthusiastic with the tab completion I guess
19:54:44  <mikk36> hmm, ok
19:58:26  <Sacro> FONTOCNFIG_CONFIG?
19:58:29  <Sacro> hmm... not goood
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19:59:02  <Maedhros> updated ebuild:
19:59:25  <Maedhros> be aware that fontconfig and freetype won't enabled by default
19:59:44  <peter1138> boo
20:00:02  <Maedhros> *won't be
20:09:35  <Rubidium_> at least we now know who to blame when gentoo users complain about non-latin languages :)
20:10:09  * Maedhros runs away
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20:11:09  <Maedhros> unfortunately i can't make them optional AND available by default
20:11:13  * Bjarni chases Maedhros
20:12:09  <Bjarni> you can, however, make two builds. One without the support and no demands and one that demands the libs to be present
20:12:15  <Bjarni> right?
20:13:53  <Maedhros> well yes, but not having to do that is precisely the reason that USE flags exist :)
20:14:13  <peter1138> USE flags fucking suck
20:14:21  <peter1138> anyway
20:14:23  <Maedhros> why's that?
20:14:47  <peter1138> just prefix your use flags with NO ;p
20:14:55  <Bjarni> because they don't work in this case?
20:15:18  <Maedhros> hehe
20:15:48  <Maedhros> this is the reason that people are hoping to make it possible to specify defaults within ebuilds
20:16:11  <Maedhros> but portage is such a mess internally that it may take a while...
20:16:58  * peter1138 >off agagin
20:17:01  <peter1138> and again
20:17:22  <Maedhros> adios, peter1138
20:18:32  * GoneWacko flags openttd as out of date on AUR
20:18:42  <Bjarni> AUR?
20:18:54  <GoneWacko> Archlinux User Repository
20:19:05  <GoneWacko> Community managed package repository thingie
20:19:09  <Bjarni> remember this is a release candidate
20:19:14  <Bjarni> not a real release
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20:19:24  <GoneWacko> I've seen RC1s in there
20:19:25  <Bjarni> the last real stable is 0.4.8
20:19:26  <GoneWacko> but good point
20:19:58  * GoneWacko unflags :p
20:20:20  <Bjarni> off the record: I presume that RC3 will be as stable as 0.5.0
20:22:12  <Bjarni> so it's tomorrow that Apple will release new products. Some online store (forgot which one) marked it as new versions of iLife and (something else), then renamed it to "Apple released product on 8/1 #1-2-(and so on)", and now completely removed it
20:22:25  <Bjarni> so... do you think they will release iLife 07? :)
20:22:59  <hylje> iLife 08!
20:23:18  <Bjarni> I presume that they will release iTV
20:23:46  <Bjarni> I mean Steve Jobs said it would be really early 2007 (which is unusual Apple policy to say so)
20:24:47  <hylje> q1 07
20:25:11  <Bjarni> that would be now ;)
20:25:46  <Bjarni> well, I think it will be now because if we wait much longer for it, they would not have said anything about it
20:26:06  <Bjarni> also I think we will see OSX 10.5, so they beat vista in real release
20:26:37  <Bjarni> "and we will be starting to ship starting today" (I can hear Steve Jobs say that)
20:26:47  <Bjarni> they usually do it like that
20:27:00  <michi_cc> Bjarni (or Darkvater): feeling responsible for 657b7f3342794ec198e285710a0dd6cc
20:27:20  <Bjarni> hmm
20:27:39  * Bjarni checks his list of known trusted people
20:28:05  <michi_cc> somebody gave me voice, I can't be that bad :)
20:28:50  <Bjarni> but it's not op :P
20:29:38  <Rubidium_> Bjarni: as if blathijs currently has ops...
20:29:40  <Bjarni> it's in RC2 as well
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20:30:03  <blathijs> w00t
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20:30:07  <blathijs> haha!
20:30:10  <Bjarni> ...
20:30:13  <glx> lol
20:30:17  <lolman> :o
20:30:27  *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ
20:30:27  <Rubidium_> Bjarni: isn't trusted anymore:)
20:30:27  <blathijs> now, let's read some backlog
20:30:30  <blathijs> why did this happen
20:30:31  <lolman> I'm sure Chanserv will have something to say
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20:30:37  <Bjarni> :P
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20:30:53  <blathijs> hey, that was not nice
20:31:02  <lolman> You deserved it
20:31:12  <Bjarni> but this is nice
20:31:13  <Bjarni> [21:30:35] 	<--	Bjarni has kicked blathijs from #openttd ( you asked for it)
20:31:13  <Bjarni> [21:30:37] 	<Bjarni>	:P
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20:31:21  <Bjarni> now you know what you missed
20:31:25  <hylje> :o
20:31:42  <blathijs> thanks ;-)
20:32:15  <Bjarni> well, this didn't really turn out the way I expected it to turn out
20:34:07  <blathijs> How did you expect it then?
20:34:25  <Bjarni> I thought you were away :s
20:37:00  <Bjarni> heh, now all that is missing is win32 binaries
20:37:12  <Bjarni> we got win64 binaries before win32 binaries :D
20:39:18  <blathijs> heher
20:39:22  <blathijs> s/r$/
20:54:20  <XeryusTC> Bjarni!
20:55:48  <ln->
20:56:36  <Smoovious> funny... .. .
20:57:29  <peter1138> hmm
20:57:38  <peter1138> is there any reason to keep the sprite cache at 1MB?
20:57:54  <ln-> let me guess: it was that way in the original game.
20:58:02  <peter1138> i don't know
20:58:11  <Bjarni> XeryusTC!
20:58:12  <peter1138> but doubling it removes a big slow down for me
20:58:21  <XeryusTC> Bjarni: happy new year
20:58:23  <Bjarni> XeryusTC: what day is it today in your world?
20:58:36  <XeryusTC> 7th of januari 2007
20:58:45  <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd say christmas ;)
20:58:45  <Smoovious> if it would allow for more variations I'd say let it expand
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20:58:48  <peter1138> of course, it probably only has any effect with newgrfs...
20:58:57  <XeryusTC> im actually thinking of reverting all calendar changes over the course of hystory
20:58:59  <XeryusTC> history*
20:59:08  <XeryusTC> and cale it the Xeryusian Calendar :P
20:59:12  <Eddi|zuHause2> hystery?
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21:00:25  <Bjarni> don't mind XeryusTC
21:00:41  <Bjarni> remember this is the guy, who though he skipped Christmas eve
21:01:21  <XeryusTC> it was by mistake :(
21:01:27  <XeryusTC> i was tired :P
21:01:54  <Sacro> nothing beats the mutiny
21:02:13  <Bjarni> yeah
21:02:45  <Bjarni> but I'm told that it would have been even better if it showed the @ next to my nick
21:03:04  <Bjarni> to tell that I actually could kill him and through him overboard from the channel
21:03:25  <peter1138> hmmm, 1.6MB
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21:16:10  <CIA-1> KUDr * r7972 /branches/cpp/src/station_cmd.cpp: [cpp] - Fix: Bus stop was build instead of truck station and vice versa (Smoovious)
21:17:34  <Smoovious> :)
21:17:54  <blathijs> KUDr_wrk: How the hell did that happen>?
21:18:07  <KUDr> dunno
21:18:11  <KUDr> really
21:18:17  <hylje> a WTF it was
21:18:22  <blathijs> but you did manage to fix it? :-)
21:18:55  <KUDr> heh
21:18:58  <KUDr> why not?
21:19:06  <KUDr> was easy to find
21:19:10  <KUDr> with debugger
21:19:15  <Smoovious> once ya knew where to look. :D
21:19:39  * blathijs has a look at the diff
21:20:10  <blathijs> and why exactly was this broken in the cpp branch?
21:20:25  <KUDr> C: MakeRoadStop(tile, st->owner, st->index, type, p1)
21:20:42  <KUDr> cpp: MakeRoadStop(tile, st->owner, st->index, type ? RS_TRUCK : RS_BUS, (DiagDirection)p1);
21:20:46  <KUDr> so my mistake
21:20:59  <KUDr> RS_TRUCK : RS_BUS was swapped
21:21:27  <blathijs> ah, I see
21:21:39  <KUDr> you know, assigning shits
21:21:48  <KUDr> ottd is full of them
21:22:05  <KUDr> c++ could teach us to do it better
21:22:22  <hylje> possibly
21:22:29  <KUDr> not to assign bool to enum and so on
21:23:40  <caladan> well, casting aint better, you see, it should just match ...
21:24:03  <Bjarni> so... you are saying that we should use C++ to avoid bugs and all it did so far was to break compilation and create bugs?
21:25:24  <XeryusTC> touché
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21:27:27  <Smoovious> hmm... Bug fixer of the week page hasn't been updated since early 2005...
21:27:32  * Bjarni still looks for the great benefit here
21:27:50  <Bjarni> Smoovious: we didn't fix any bugs since 2005
21:27:59  <Bjarni> we write perfect software from the start ;)
21:28:17  <KUDr> [22:26:05] <Bjarni> so... you are saying that we should use C++ to avoid bugs and all it did so far was to break compilation and create bugs? << are joking or so stupid?
21:28:21  <Sacro> you just forget to include the files when you commit...
21:28:23  <Smoovious> excuse me for a few minutes while I catch my breath
21:28:36  <Sacro> kuDr: +1 vote for stupid
21:28:52  <Bjarni> Sacro: I got a timeout and then only parts of the commit got though...
21:29:11  <XeryusTC> excuses, excuses :P
21:29:18  <blathijs> Bjarni: That should be possible I think?
21:29:21  <Bjarni> the missing file was in the diff when I committed, but it never came though for some weird reason
21:30:20  <Bjarni> blathijs: well, I got a timeout and then the bot claimed that I had committed something
21:30:45  <Bjarni> and I investigated and it turned out that everything was perfect expect that it missed a single file
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21:33:08  <Bjarni> KUDr: to answer your question. I rule out stupid, so logically you claim that I was joking
21:33:36  <KUDr> then ok
21:33:45  <KUDr> good joke :)
21:34:22  <Bjarni> however it's not entirely wrong what I said, but it's a very short termed view to put it like that
21:35:07  <Bjarni> it's like say you boil all drinking water. How many sick days do you prevent from doing so?
21:35:16  <Bjarni> it's impossible to tell for sure :)
21:35:31  <Bjarni> but eventually I guess we could benefit from this
21:36:04  <KUDr> Bjarni: you must expect errors while changing compiler to stricter one
21:36:16  <Bjarni> yeah
21:36:18  <Bjarni> I know
21:36:21  <KUDr> it is logical consequence - but temporary
21:36:38  <Bjarni> you must have found some wtf in the code while killing warnings
21:36:39  <KUDr> then you use all the benefits for the code quality
21:37:41  <XeryusTC> hmm, CSOD type wtfs?
21:38:14  <XeryusTC> gn
21:38:21  <KUDr> if anybody is willing to help me test CPP build >>
21:38:46  <nairan> look here to get som funnies
21:38:49  <nairan>
21:38:50  <Bjarni> I was more thinking like some places where say if it's a plane, then subtype is 2, if it's road vehicle or ship, then subtype is 0 and if it's a train, then some enum assignment
21:38:54  <Bjarni> there is a place like that
21:39:20  <Bjarni> and when I first saw it, it was really strange, specially due to lack of comments
21:39:52  <Bjarni> nairan: camouflaged sniper on the move?
21:40:43  <nairan> that is a biker
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21:42:55  <TinoM|> Kudr, your ssl certificate is obsolete ;)
21:43:03  <KUDr> i know
21:43:11  <KUDr> was not from public CA anyway
21:43:22  <KUDr> force it go thru
21:43:25  <Bjarni> <-- hehe, this guy seriously needs a debugger
21:43:38  <TinoM|> got through, 20 clicks later *g*
21:43:46  <KUDr> huh
21:43:52  <KUDr> so many?
21:44:01  <KUDr> you must have very secure browser
21:44:18  <TinoM|> ff 2.0.1
21:44:28  <KUDr> ff?
21:44:45  <stillunknown> firefox
21:44:50  <KUDr> aha
21:44:53  <KUDr> yeah
21:45:05  <nairan> but not that debugger you are using =P
21:45:12  <KUDr> have it too but 'ff' told me nothing :)
21:46:45  <TinoM|> ok, your build starts and i've successfully loaded a current savegame
21:46:56  <KUDr> good
21:49:01  <TinoM|> something special i could try/test?
21:51:51  <TinoM|> hmmm, i am running a "normal" map, and several strings for cargo are from the toyland scenario
21:53:03  <TinoM|> eg i train with livestock: the information shows the livestock cars as toy vans
21:53:08  <caladan> KUDr: just look at the version... A friend of mine knows libs by their version... :/
21:53:56  <Maedhros> ooh, tt-forums just exploded
21:54:15  <TinoM|> and when i click on a depot the game simply exits with an error
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21:57:25  <TinoM|> its reproducable: new game, build a depot, click on it: -> "Tried to load non-existing sprite #5990. Probable cause: Wrong/Missing NewGRFs"
21:57:40  <KUDr> TinoM|: thanks, will try
21:58:14  <KUDr> any newgrf you have loaded?
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22:00:32  <TinoM|> KuDr, no, none
22:00:38  <KUDr> ok
22:00:58  <KUDr> so livestock train, right?
22:03:28  <TinoM|> Kudr, sorry that problem with the strings was a problem with a savegame and some newgrfs
22:03:47  <KUDr> hmm
22:05:10  <nairan> !seen calda
22:05:11  <_42_> nairan, I don't remember seeing calda.
22:05:48  <KUDr> TinoM|: so nothing to hunt?
22:07:27  <TinoM|> no, my fault sorry. only the bug with the depot persists, regardless of loaded newgrfs or a plain ottd
22:07:40  <KUDr> ok
22:07:48  <KUDr> will try this one
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22:16:17  <KUDr> caladan: version of what? ff?
22:16:51  <KUDr> TinoM|: train depots work fine here
22:17:05  <KUDr> i can't repro it ;)
22:20:24  <nairan> umm nope was in wrong chat window =P
22:20:43  <nairan> and they dont have such imformative bot
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22:35:03  <Brianetta> curl | grep "currently at" |sed "s-</*b>-%-g" | cut -d % -f 2
22:35:14  <Brianetta>   % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
22:35:14  <Brianetta>                                  Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
22:35:18  <Brianetta> the 6th of August, 2044
22:35:20  <Brianetta> (:
22:36:22  <Brianetta> curl -s | grep "currently at" |sed "s-</*b>-%-g" | cut -d % -f 2
22:36:25  <Brianetta> better
22:36:31  <Brianetta> the 23rd of August, 2044
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22:40:43  <BFM> Any idea what date the latest OpenTTD will be out?
22:41:19  <blathijs> "any time now"
22:41:48  <glx> except for win32 :)
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22:45:16  <Wolf01> 'night all
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22:55:21  <BFM> Anytime now eh? Hmm, guess it'll be a nice suprise then ^_^
22:55:51  <blathijs> BFM: probably within a few weeks. Depends on how many bugs we'll keep finding :-)
22:57:29  <BFM> That's fair enough. Good job by all. :) I was sussing out the wiki the other day. Some of the new graphix for the scaled conversion look awesome too!
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23:17:40  <Darkvater> backk
23:23:30  <Bjarni> frontt
23:23:45  <qball> underr
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23:24:48  <Darkvater> idiotss
23:24:54  <Bjarni> :D
23:24:59  <Bjarni> not truee
23:25:09  <Bjarni> anyway
23:25:13  <Darkvater> yes :)
23:25:13  <qball> I am no idiot, I am just crazyy
23:25:16  <Darkvater> did you make any posts?
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23:25:19  <Bjarni> no
23:25:26  <Darkvater> just SF?
23:25:29  <Bjarni> yes
23:25:31  <Darkvater> put the changelog up there?
23:25:43  <Bjarni> and quickly added the md5 to the homepage
23:25:50  <Bjarni> yes, pasted the changelog to SF
23:26:40  <Bjarni> so we need win32 binaries, updated links on the homepage (and a bit of cleanup) and a post on the forum
23:26:50  <Bjarni> and a news thing on the homepage
23:27:13  <Darkvater> good
23:27:41  <Darkvater> god VS2003 is linking for ages...
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23:35:50  <Bjarni> also an announcement email on SF will be needed as well
23:36:06  <Bjarni> I figured since so many people use windows, it would not be right to send it before the binaries are there
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23:39:15  <ln-> but they've got the source code.
23:39:28  <Kouya> hi
23:42:02  <Darkvater> he my shell is totally hung on the RC3 commit :s
23:42:07  <Darkvater> for 4 hours now
23:42:27  <SpComb> "RC3 will be delayed until Darkvater's shell wakes up"
23:43:16  <Darkvater> Bjarni: you haven't made an announcement on
23:49:03  <Bjarni> no
23:49:22  <Darkvater> why meeee.. :)
23:49:30  <Bjarni> you know what to do
23:49:37  <Bjarni> I was too busy to figure that out
23:51:28  <Kouya>
23:51:31  <Kouya> lol
23:51:34  <Kouya> wrong channel
23:51:55  <Kouya> I'm not used to open 2 IRC channels :P
23:52:22  <SpComb> what about 80 channels with half in the top window and the other half in the other one?
23:53:20  <Bjarni> that ASCII art thing
23:53:22  <Bjarni> it's nice
23:53:35  <Bjarni> I can tell you this much
23:53:52  <Bjarni> I don't have time to make such a thing
23:54:22  <Bjarni> it must have taken ages to make
23:54:37  <Kouya> Bjarni: agreed
23:54:47  <Kouya> SpComb: lol
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