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00:01:58 <CIA-1> rubidium * r8171 /trunk/src/ (network/network_server.cpp saveload.cpp): -Fix (FS#556): return SL_ERROR when unthreaded saves failed, to make sure we do not try to send zero-byte savegames. 00:05:54 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r8172 /branches/0.5/ (gfxinit.c music_gui.c openttd.c settings.c unix.c win32.c): 00:05:54 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r8013, r8134): 00:05:54 <CIA-1> - Show error messages about our own data files as ShowInfo(F) and output console error to stderr and not stdout. 00:08:54 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r8173 /branches/0.5/economy.c: 00:08:54 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r8026): 00:08:54 <CIA-1> - picking up transferring cargo, trains will now also have the virtual profit deducted 00:11:42 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:12:38 <Brianetta> ooooh, looks like a new candidate is brewing 00:13:31 <Bjarni> don't get your hopes up 00:13:36 <Bjarni> it will not happen tonight 00:14:00 <Bjarni> and I will stick to this statement unless I'm told otherwise :P 00:14:29 <Rubidium> Brianetta: your game hasn't passed 2050 yet, so there's no hurry :) 00:14:45 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:14:47 <Brianetta> Rubidium: Don't mind me, I'm just spectating 00:15:08 <Rubidium> so an I :) 00:15:14 <Rubidium> *am 00:15:20 <Brianetta> 8168 was important 00:15:34 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 8168 00:15:39 <_42_> Commit by Darkvater :: r8168 /trunk/src/network/network.cpp (2007-01-16 23:01:06 UTC) 00:15:41 <_42_> -Regression (r6783): ParseConnectionstring didn't use the port parameter if a player was also specified. (both IP#Player:Port and IP:Port#Player btw) 00:15:41 <Brianetta> especially if you intend to connect to #openttdcoop games... 00:16:08 <Brianetta> Actually 00:16:15 <Brianetta> I didn't know the first of those formats was legal 00:16:27 <Darkvater> the first was the official format 00:17:00 <Brianetta> oh 00:17:12 <Brianetta> I was thinking it was following http format 00:17:19 <Brianetta> server:port#anchor 00:18:25 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 00:20:30 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r8174 /branches/0.5/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 00:20:30 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r8027, r8028, r8043, r8132): 00:20:30 <CIA-1> - (FS#486) pause command issues with shift-pressed did not pause the game, interference with pause_on_join (r8027) 00:20:30 <CIA-1> - overflow of ticks was not handled properly, possibly resulting a non-reacting gameserver/gameclient (r8028, r8043) 00:20:30 <CIA-1> - The game could crash when the chat key (<ENTER>) is pressed too quickly during join (r8132) 00:26:10 <Brianetta> can I svn up and pretend to have a new version/ 00:26:11 <Brianetta> ? 00:26:27 <Brianetta> Then people can desync all the time 00:26:31 <Brianetta> and I can blame them 00:26:40 <Brianetta> instead of accepting responsibility myself 00:26:49 *** Digitalfox__ [~chatzilla@bl8-41-78.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:26:59 <Brianetta> no wait, that would be childish 00:27:19 <Bjarni> that would be the keyword for actually doing it 00:27:22 <Bjarni> :P 00:27:41 <Brianetta> I could call it RC3œ 00:27:47 <Bjarni> make stuff that screws up and then figure out who to blame 00:28:11 <Bjarni> sometimes it's not important who takes the blame as long as it's somebody else 00:28:31 <Rubidium> Brianetta: that would not fix the desyncs though (as Darkvater has not backported the patch) 00:28:39 <Brianetta> Is there a way to get svn to show you logs for revisions beyond what's checked out? 00:29:01 <Brianetta> Rubidium: I think having all these other fixes would cause even more desyncs 00:29:22 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r8175 /branches/0.5/ (heightmap.c misc_gui.c oldloader.c): 00:29:22 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r8030, r8070, r8071, r8074): 00:29:22 <CIA-1> - crash when removing a town in the scenario editor and the query tool is open for a town's tile (r8030) 00:29:22 <CIA-1> - (FS#537) heightmap crashes when rescaling, or using 24bpp bitmaps (r8070, r8074) 00:29:22 <CIA-1> - (FS#536) inauguration date of companies from TTDP games was wrong (r8071) 00:29:39 <Brianetta> Oooh, scenario editor 00:29:50 <Brianetta> Can we claim that there being no way to build a lock is a bug? 00:30:22 <Rubidium> Brianetta: maybe r8173 will cause desyncs, the rest shouldn't 00:31:20 <Brianetta> heh 00:31:20 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 00:31:22 <Brianetta> one's enough 00:31:45 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-42-109.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:49 *** Digitalfox__ is now known as Digitalfox 00:32:09 <Bjarni> yeah 00:32:15 * Rubidium likes the take-off and landing of planes on Brianetta's standard :) 00:32:18 <Bjarni> one commit is enough for your evil plan 00:32:21 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-42-109.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:32:28 <Brianetta> Rubidium: Pikka's AV8 00:32:32 <Brianetta> Extremely high quality 00:32:50 <Bjarni> damn now I forgot the URL again 00:32:58 <Brianetta> svn log -r HEAD just gives me ------------------ across the screen 00:33:00 <Bjarni> I got to write it down or bookmark it or something 00:33:07 <Bjarni> Brianetta: what is your URL? 00:33:21 <Brianetta> /msg sarah_pilot url 00:33:57 <Rubidium> Brianetta: I think you have to use the full url to the svn path and supply the revision where to start showing the logs from 00:34:14 <Brianetta> Rubidium: THe help thing says HEAD 00:34:20 <Brianetta> I believed it, prat that I am 00:34:37 <Bjarni> Brianetta: it's not working 00:34:53 <Brianetta> She didn't talk to you? 00:34:56 <Brianetta> She talks to me 00:35:21 <Rubidium> Brianetta: svn log -r BASE:HEAD 00:35:25 <Brianetta> 00:34 -sarah_pilot(~autopilot@sarah.ppcis.org)- http://ppcis.org/standard/ 00:35:31 <Brianetta> Rubidium: ta 00:36:36 <Brianetta> what's the 0.5 branch called? 00:36:44 <Brianetta> I just have a tag 00:36:49 <Rubidium> /branches/0.5 00:37:03 <Brianetta> Ah, I had branch, singular 00:38:31 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r8176 /branches/0.5/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 00:38:31 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r8042, r8089, r8090, r8112): 00:38:31 <CIA-1> - OS/2 compilation with GCC (thanks to Paul Smedley and TrueBrain for help) (r8042) 00:38:31 <CIA-1> - [win32] *nprintf functions are broken, 'len = count' wasn't handled (r8089, r8090) 00:38:31 <CIA-1> - MSVC solution files will make openttd THE startup project (r8112) 00:38:52 <CIA-1> matthijs * r8177 /branches/0.5/os/debian/changelog: - [Debian] Prepare debian packaging files for 0.5.0-rc4 00:51:08 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r8178 /branches/0.5/ (newgrf_config.c news_gui.c yapf/yapf_base.hpp): 00:51:08 <CIA-1> -Backport from turnk (r8049, r8079, r8080, r8135): 00:51:08 <CIA-1> - oe more news-window fix and fix up ShowLastNewsMessage (r8049) 00:51:08 <CIA-1> - float division by 0 in YAPF code on Win9x (r8079, r8080) 00:51:08 <CIA-1> - do not assert when removing duplicates would remove non-static grf (r8135) 00:57:27 *** pecisk [~pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has quit [Quit: J?iet prom] 00:58:44 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 01:02:57 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r8179 /branches/0.5/ (disaster_cmd.c misc.c openttd.c station_gui.c window.c): 01:02:57 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r8065, r8101, r8119, r8123, r8140, r8150): 01:02:57 <CIA-1> - The station list does now remember the sort settings (r8065) 01:02:57 <CIA-1> - Uninitializing windows calls WE_DESTROY to free dynamic memory used (r8101, r8119) 01:02:57 <CIA-1> - (FS#538) Findfirstbit returns first bit (bouys now numbered 1..9) (r8123) 01:02:58 <CIA-1> - FS#54) Combat helicopter shoots from right position, (r8140) 01:03:00 <CIA-1> - Submarine disaster did not move around (r8158) 01:12:23 <Digitalfox> So many backports to 0.5.. WOW you ( TEAM ) really are working hard this last days.. :) 01:15:42 <Bjarni> yeah 01:15:44 <Bjarni> specially me 01:15:57 <Bjarni> I did work on non-OTTD stuff though 01:16:11 <Bjarni> but I have been hard working and I am a developer ;) 01:16:48 <SpComb> CIA-1 is a cool bot 01:17:39 <Bjarni> is it from Alaska or something? 01:17:49 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r8180 /branches/0.5/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 01:17:49 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r8093, r8094, r8105, r8106, (r8107), r8111, r8165): 01:17:49 <CIA-1> - Show the activated status of the GRF after pressing apply in window (r8094) 01:17:49 <CIA-1> - Add the ability to load savegames without matching grf's. 01:17:49 <CIA-1> *NOTE*: currently this feature is different from trunk in behaviour as it does NOT 01:17:50 <CIA-1> allow you to load savegames with MISSING grfs only compatible (matching GRFID, non- 01:17:52 <CIA-1> matching MD5SUM). 01:18:43 <setrodox> "- Add the ability to load savegames without matching grf's." that one is nice to have in 0.5 :) 01:19:13 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r8181 /branches/0.5/viewport.c: 01:19:13 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r8133): 01:19:13 <CIA-1> - (FS#535) "out of sprite memory" warning messages (smatz) 01:19:51 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-236-105.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:58 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r8182 /branches/0.5/ (openttd.c station_cmd.c vehicle.c): 01:23:58 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r8137, r8147, r8157): 01:23:58 <CIA-1> - (FS#551) roadstop->num_vehicles was wrong for old savegames loaded for MP (r8137) 01:23:58 <CIA-1> - v->leave_depot_instantly was not always reset correctly (r8147) 01:23:58 <CIA-1> - moving cargo during auto replaces did not update the cached vehicle weight for trains properly (r8157) 01:23:58 <CIA-1> *NOTE* This fixes several desync issues. Big props to Rubidium for finding, debugging 01:24:00 <CIA-1> and fixing them! 01:24:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> wha... CIA-1 is one big spammer ;) 01:25:08 <Bjarni> yeah 01:25:10 <Bjarni> let's ban it 01:25:29 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*johekr@*.dip.t-dialin.net] by Bjarni 01:25:32 <Bjarni> oops 01:25:34 <Bjarni> wrong guy 01:25:49 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*johekr@*.dip.t-dialin.net] by Bjarni 01:25:54 <Bjarni> we better not try to ban anybody else 01:30:11 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32:10 <Bjarni> no reply from Eddi|zuHause3 01:32:15 <Bjarni> maybe he passed out 01:32:31 <SpComb> CIA even has a class heirarchy for generating nicknames >_> 01:32:43 <SpComb> NickAllocator, SequentialNickAllocator(NickAllocator), RandomAcronymNickAllocator(NickAllocator) 01:32:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> err, i am not watching the channel at any minute 01:32:51 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]] 01:34:42 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498F84E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:05 <BFM> http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html 01:45:13 <Bjarni> BFM: old stuff 01:45:20 <Bjarni> I mean the flash animation 01:45:24 * SpComb hugs CIA-1 01:45:25 * CIA-1 hugs SpComb 01:45:25 <Bjarni> not the technology 01:45:31 <Bjarni> I saw this months ago 01:45:47 * SpComb rubs CIA-1's tummy 01:45:48 <CIA-1> *purr* 01:45:55 * Bjarni kicks CIA-1 01:45:56 <CIA-1> ow 01:46:03 <Bjarni> stop reacting to SpComb 01:46:16 * SpComb kills CIA-1 01:46:16 * CIA-1 dies 01:46:28 <Bjarni> two bots interacting with each other might fill the channel with bots in no time 01:46:46 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 01:46:55 <SpComb> oh yeah, I need something that reacts to a "dies" ACTION 01:47:10 <Bjarni> !logs dies 01:47:13 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 01:47:13 <Bjarni> !logs 01:47:14 <SpComb> if someone hugs me, I kill them, and if they die, I hug them 01:47:30 * Bjarni kills SpComb 01:47:35 <SpComb> it's technically possible to send CTCP ACTIONs in notices as well 01:47:37 <Bjarni> now react to this! 01:47:41 <SpComb> however, then it'd be a reply and such 01:49:45 * Sacro asplode 01:50:16 * Sacro hugs SpComb 01:50:28 <Bjarni> well, Sacro always react in silly and unexpected ways 01:50:36 <Sacro> mmmmm breasts 01:50:53 <Bjarni> (.)(.) 01:51:03 <Sacro> :o 01:51:09 <Sacro> ooh sophie is online 01:51:48 <Bjarni> I'm not Sophie 01:51:58 <Sacro> but you have breasts 01:52:01 <Bjarni> and it was not a picture of me either :P 01:52:55 <Bjarni> hehehe, just remembered the quote about the guy in #lesbians 01:53:34 <Bjarni> he acted like he were a lesbian and whenever somebody asked him for pictures, he sent them pictures of the girls, who sent pictures to him 01:53:52 <Bjarni> and he thought that he was the only one to get that idea and the rest of the channel were real lesbians 01:53:56 <Bjarni> :D 01:54:10 <Bjarni> #lesbians is full of men 01:54:26 <Zahl> *sigh* 01:54:29 * Zahl leaves #lesbians 01:54:31 <Bjarni> real lesbians can't be there... it's too crowded 01:54:40 <Sacro> :D 01:54:45 <Sacro> im an op in #lesbians 01:55:13 <Bjarni> I'm not going in there to check 01:55:26 <Bjarni> but somehow it would not surprise me 01:56:54 <blathijs> whois Sacro 01:57:04 * blathijs adds a / somewhere in there 01:57:11 * Sacro is me 01:57:12 <blathijs> omg 01:57:17 <blathijs> He is telling the truth :-S 01:57:23 <blathijs> 02:56 [oftc] -!- channels : @#lesbians @#REMO @#newsignals #openttd 01:57:26 <Sacro> [01:55] * Digitalfox (~chatzilla@bl8-41-78.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #lesbians 01:57:26 <Sacro> [01:55] * Digitalfox (~chatzilla@bl8-41-78.dsl.telepac.pt) has left #lesbians 01:57:26 <Bjarni> Sacro is the guy, who fucks girls, who gets committed and now he is op in #lesbians 01:57:34 <Bjarni> in other words: a wicked guy 01:57:58 <Digitalfox> Damn you sacro.. 01:58:06 <Zahl> :-D 01:58:11 <Bjarni> ok Digitalfox is a guy 01:58:19 <Digitalfox> I was caught seeking womem 01:58:21 <Bjarni> otherwise he would not have been in #lesbians 01:58:25 <Sacro> hehehe 01:58:27 * blathijs flees off to his bed 01:58:32 <Bjarni> and you tried IRC??? 01:58:46 <Bjarni> you went on IRC to find women??? 01:58:53 <Bjarni> how pathetic is that? 01:59:07 <Zahl> try some ugly colored webchat instead 01:59:18 <Zahl> with many smilies and strange features no one needs 01:59:23 <Zahl> there you'll find them 01:59:25 <Digitalfox> My girlfriend would know i was out of house... 01:59:41 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp83-237-103-15.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:59:59 * Sacro uses smilies on irc ^_^ 02:00:15 <Zahl> i mean, smilies like images 02:00:21 <Digitalfox> hey.. i don't look for women in internet.. I was checking how many was in that channel with your talk 02:00:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have seen people on IRC who could actually prove that they were female ;) 02:00:49 <Zahl> they were in #lesbians and sent you a pic? ;) 02:02:25 <Bjarni> <jebus> brb, sex 02:03:06 <Bjarni> now that's high expectations of his stamina 02:03:15 <Sacro> !calc 4+8+12 02:03:16 <_42_> Sacro: 24; 02:04:02 <Digitalfox> Actually i met a lot of woman who i became friend in IRC.. But that was like 10 years ago, when IRC had a lot of Civilized persons, but now IRC and MSN and MySpace, etc most is garbage.. 02:04:05 <Zahl> !calc int((3x)/(x^3+1), dx) 02:04:06 <_42_> Zahl: (standard_in) 2: parse error;(standard_in) 2: parse error; 02:04:20 <Sacro> Zahl: dont break it, im using it for my assignment 02:04:34 <Sacro> its easier than using a calculator, or windows calc 02:04:41 <Bjarni> !calc 2 + 2 02:04:42 <_42_> Bjarni: 4; 02:04:43 <Sacro> 4 02:04:44 * SpComb hugs _42_ 02:04:45 <Bjarni> Sacro: here you go 02:04:50 <Sacro> Bjarni: i can do that one 02:04:51 <Digitalfox> I only IRC for openTTD and MSN for friends.. No myspace, hi5 or whatever.. 02:04:52 <SpComb> you stone-hearted bot :( 02:04:59 <SpComb> I IRC for life 02:05:01 <Zahl> hm i thought it could help with my math stuff here... 02:05:01 <SpComb> hah! 02:05:01 <Sacro> though actually, i nearly lost marks in my IT exam 02:05:07 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni: i can do that one <-- yeah, because I just told you 02:05:10 <SpComb> and I IRC on MSN too 02:05:17 <Sacro> i somehow failed converting 70 dec into binary 02:05:24 <Sacro> i just had it as 64+4 02:05:31 <Sacro> 01000100 02:05:44 <Bjarni> use gdb for that 02:05:49 <Sacro> and i couldnt work out why 70+58 wouldnt overflow when using 2's compliment 02:05:50 <Bjarni> print/x 70 02:05:50 <Digitalfox> But with blogs and hi5 etc.. Most of the garbage is disssapearing from IRC, and it's getting like the old days.. 02:05:57 <Sacro> even though i could do it in decimal 02:05:59 <Bjarni> it will give you the result in hex 02:06:14 <Sacro> Bjarni: i was in a gym, i had paper and a pen, nothing electronic 02:06:31 <Bjarni> I meant instead of _42_ 02:09:00 <Sacro> but then id have to install gdb 02:10:29 <Sacro> !calc 3*4+3*4 02:10:30 <_42_> Sacro: 24; 02:10:33 <Sacro> err... 02:10:47 <Sacro> thats right :D 02:12:24 <Digitalfox> Bjarni you were caught in video 02:12:26 <Digitalfox> http://www.livevideo.com/video/landing/45C06ACB1DF547F2B8EB9D444F7B147D/neversendawomantogettheoilchanged.aspx 02:12:29 <Digitalfox> ;) 02:14:01 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?260282 02:14:10 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?331827 02:14:23 <Bjarni> damn, at this rate, I will not get any work done :( 02:14:36 <Sacro> The Boy with a Cooler Stuck on his Head :D 02:14:46 <blathijs> nor will I get around to sleeping... 02:15:19 <Bjarni> hey, I don't drive like that 02:15:25 <Sacro> http://www.livevideo.com/video/2519944B863F4E6F8DCD6C4BC3437644/youtube-s-loss-is-livevideo-s-gain-kyhell-lost-but-livevideo-wins-.aspx :D 02:15:26 <Sacro> BREASTS 02:16:23 <Sacro> ooh, "Girls loose their panties" 02:16:30 <Digitalfox> Does bash has any quotes from openttd talks? 02:16:56 <Sacro> yes... 02:18:07 <Sacro> :o Bikini News 02:18:14 <Sacro> though not as exciting as Naked News 02:18:18 <Bjarni> Digitalfox: http://www.qdb.us/?search=Bjarni 02:18:30 <Bjarni> that's all from this channel 02:18:35 <Sacro> roffle @ Prof_Frink and his mutiny 02:18:48 <Bjarni> yeah 02:19:34 <Sacro> :o 02:19:42 <Sacro> someone on the forum has found a bug in 0.5.3 02:19:53 <Bjarni> link? 02:20:07 <Sacro> openttd problems 02:20:12 <Sacro> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=29689 02:20:18 <Bjarni> well, if we fix it now, wouldn't that make a time paradox? 02:20:19 <Sacro> but sluggish though 02:20:24 <Sacro> indeed it would 02:20:31 <Sacro> though the dump does say 0.5.0-RC3 02:21:09 <Bjarni> if it's in 0.5.3 and somebody travels back in time to tell us and we fix it before 0.5.0, then it will not be in 0.5.3 and he will not go back and we will not fix it and it will be in 0.5.3 and.... 02:21:13 <Bjarni> oh shit 02:22:32 <Sacro> !calc 1+5+9 02:22:34 <_42_> Sacro: 15; 02:22:44 <Sacro> Bjarni: please dont break spacetime 02:23:03 <Bjarni> I already did 02:23:18 <Bjarni> when I went back to kill your grandfather 02:23:24 <Bjarni> but you are still here... 02:23:27 <Sacro> 18+12... 02:23:29 <Bjarni> so who died 02:23:31 <Sacro> i reckon 30 02:23:45 <Bjarni> let's take a vote on that one 02:24:39 <Bjarni> oh, that reminds me of when I sent in a mail about a factual error in an online quiz. I got the reply that too few people complained about it so it's correct 02:24:42 <Sacro> !calc 33+12 02:24:44 <_42_> Sacro: 45; 02:24:53 <Bjarni> ok, let's take a vote. Who wants to alter gravity 02:25:04 <Bjarni> if enough people complain about the current one, we can change it 02:25:22 <Bjarni> or I can make it twice as strong unless enough people complain about it 02:25:42 <Bjarni> somehow voting and factual errors don't mix 02:25:43 <Bjarni> well 02:25:44 <Zahl> nah, make time run slower plz 02:25:49 <Sacro> !calc 3x12 02:25:52 <_42_> Sacro: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 02:25:52 <Sacro> my maths is terrible 02:25:56 <Sacro> !calc 3*12 02:25:57 <_42_> Sacro: 36; 02:26:00 <Sacro> !calc 3 times 12 02:26:02 <_42_> Sacro: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 02:26:05 <Bjarni> so is your typing 02:26:10 <Sacro> bah, it doesnt accept latex style forumlae 02:26:20 <Bjarni> !6354*34*2354 02:26:45 <Bjarni> now Sacro got to invest in a real calculator :P 02:26:58 <Sacro> this one does me fine 02:27:07 <Bjarni> I think I just borked it 02:27:10 <Sacro> though i could just run calc 02:27:15 <Sacro> nope, you didnt put !calc 02:27:21 <Bjarni> LOL 02:27:30 <Bjarni> !calc 6354*34*2354 02:27:31 <_42_> Bjarni: 508548744; 02:27:33 <Sacro> silly netherlandish person 02:27:43 <Bjarni> yeah 02:27:53 <Bjarni> the script should have picked up that mistake 02:28:07 <Bjarni> specially at this hour 02:28:14 <Bjarni> I better get some sleep 02:28:23 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:28:30 <glx> <Sacro> silly netherlandish person <-- you failed again :) 02:28:41 <Zahl> heh 02:29:08 <Sacro> glx: he always used to be .nl 02:30:59 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B762DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:55 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 02:32:20 <Sacro> :o a german *hides* 02:34:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> where? 02:34:51 <Sacro> theres quite a few in germany 02:36:51 <ln-> Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! ... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput. 02:37:26 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B76354.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:37:44 <ln-> wow, that was effective 02:39:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> err 02:39:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> that was complete rubbish ;) 02:39:38 <Sacro> i think germans make a lot of it up 02:39:47 <Sacro> especially the longer words 02:40:10 <ln-> no, no, it's a dangerous weapon, The Funniest Joke in the World 02:40:47 <ln-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Funniest_Joke_in_the_World 02:41:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> oh right... i should have known ;) 02:41:54 <Sacro> hehehehe... that killed so many germans 02:42:06 <ln-> it even made your other instance ping timeout 02:42:37 <Sacro> indeed 02:42:41 <Sacro> perhaps laughing 02:44:01 <Zahl> errr 02:45:01 <ln-> yes? 02:47:19 <Zahl> just had to read the joke thingy :P 02:48:39 <Sacro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Spaghetti_harvest.jpg :D 02:49:27 <PandaMojo> :D 02:55:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> beware of the spaghetti monster 02:56:52 <Sacro> :D the fsm 03:26:57 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498F8D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:30:25 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:47:51 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:52:22 *** dp [~dp@p54B2E246.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:59:19 *** dp_ [~dp@p54B2E725.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:28:12 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:35:49 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F0FB3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: YOU! 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That leaves "khoo" that becomes "ge"... I don't know how you say that sound in Dutch, but somehow I sense that the words are related 12:14:55 <Darkvater> in dutch the 'g' is a sound as if you were strangled and you gurgle 12:15:03 <Darkvater> it can also be described as a very bad cough 12:15:42 <Bjarni> ok, so it's not similar to the Danish g 12:15:45 <Bjarni> go figure 12:15:51 <Darkvater> in fact, when we moved to Holland 16 years ago, I had a sore through the first 3-4 monthts trying to pronounce the 'g' 12:16:01 <Bjarni> :) 12:16:05 <peter1138> hmm 12:16:16 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=29699 12:16:19 <peter1138> does that makes sense? 12:16:28 <peter1138> can our system already can handle it? 12:16:49 <Tron_> it's "Eichhörnchen" in german, that's more or less the same word as in durt 12:16:53 <Tron_> s/durt/dutch/ 12:17:00 <Bjarni> for all we know, "kh" may sound somewhat like "g" in Danish and "o" -> "e"... well, it happened to other words 12:17:34 <Bjarni> brb 12:17:48 <Darkvater> i thought gender was already in 12:17:50 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: ^ 12:19:18 <peter1138> this might be different gender in different circumstances 12:19:21 <peter1138> which would be pretty dumb 12:21:15 <Darkvater> well each to his own language :) 12:22:44 <Bjarni> yeah 12:22:52 <Bjarni> so Dutch still got a chance 12:22:53 <Bjarni> :P 12:23:03 <Darkvater> 'has' 12:23:18 <Bjarni> the same goes for English 12:23:19 <Darkvater> got is trailer-trash talk :s 12:23:33 <peter1138> that explains it 12:23:37 <peter1138> Bjarni is trailer-trash 12:23:48 <Bjarni> o_O 12:25:43 <Darkvater> trailer-trash with non-matching eyes 12:26:15 <Bjarni> that would indicate that I should live in a trailer. However I don't. I'm not even sure that I have been in a trailer 12:26:33 <Darkvater> you give us no proof 12:26:57 <Bjarni> well 12:27:18 <Darkvater> we have proof in favour of this allegation :) 12:27:37 <Bjarni> being trash is degrading, so therefore I'm not unless proven otherwise 12:27:51 <Bjarni> no you don't 12:27:53 <Darkvater> now wait a minute 12:28:11 <Darkvater> you have to proof you aren't, not the other way around ^^ 12:28:14 <Darkvater> prove 12:28:15 <Darkvater> even 12:28:22 <Bjarni> you got circumstantial evidence, which proves nothing on it's own 12:28:34 <Bjarni> I knew it 12:28:42 <Bjarni> Darkvater is trailer-trash 12:28:53 <Bjarni> he said proof instead of prove 12:29:07 <Darkvater> give me proof that's trailer-talk 12:29:29 <Bjarni> no, you got to prove that you are not 12:29:44 <peter1138> no, we have circumstantial evidences... 12:29:50 <Darkvater> :O 12:29:53 <Darkvater> touche! 12:29:59 <Bjarni> either you are, or you will for sure have to admit that I'm not 12:30:12 <peter1138> and, "you have to prove"... 12:30:13 <roboboy> gnight 12:31:08 <Bjarni> for all you know, I could be an upperclass citizen with a somewhat questionable English teacher 12:31:08 <Darkvater> so 4-1 in my favour that bjarni's trailer-poo 12:32:25 <Bjarni> you have no proof of that and because of that, I will sue you for talking degrading about me in public 12:32:47 <Darkvater> sue me,you can't afford a lawyer anyways 12:33:06 <Bjarni> why do you think that? 12:33:20 <Darkvater> cause you're trailer-trash :) 12:33:24 <Darkvater> hehe 12:33:28 <Bjarni> LOL 12:34:19 <peter1138> :) 12:35:13 <Bjarni> well, for your information, I actually do understand legal actions 12:35:29 <Bjarni> I do know if I can sue people and have a fair chance of winning 12:35:59 <peter1138> sounds premeditated to me 12:36:09 <peter1138> so you're a fraudster now... 12:36:14 <Bjarni> sounds more like somebody, who knows the law to me 12:36:34 <Bjarni> I never said that I actually do it 12:36:39 <peter1138> you obviously don't know the law of #openttd jurisdiction 12:36:40 <Bjarni> I just said that I can if needed 12:37:18 <Bjarni> be careful 12:37:26 <Darkvater> Bjarni: you're getting into more trouble with every line you type here 12:37:39 <Darkvater> now you are a Danish Frauding Trailer-Trash 12:37:42 <Bjarni> no I'm not 12:38:35 <Bjarni> you risk to make me convince that I'm not a loser, and for all you know, I might do that by mass committing a whole lot of stuff 12:38:49 <Bjarni> peter1138 would love this 12:39:05 <peter1138> yes, commit more stuff :D 12:39:17 <Darkvater> ah so now you are a blackmailing danish frauding trailer-trash 12:39:36 <Bjarni> ok, I was wrong 12:39:55 <Bjarni> I though you would say that I was threatening 12:40:25 <Bjarni> heh 12:40:36 <Bjarni> just got a mail on my OTTD mail 12:40:59 <Darkvater> hatemail? ^_^ 12:41:02 <Bjarni> somebody out there thinks that I should buy viagra and then to test it, they can also supply girls 12:41:15 <peter1138> sounds good to me 12:41:42 <Bjarni> I think there is a catch in it somewhere 12:41:56 <Darkvater> so, gone pimpin' eh 12:41:59 <Bjarni> like they might demand money for it or something 12:42:17 <Bjarni> also there are the health issues 12:42:43 <Bjarni> for all I know, pills sent by unknown people on the internet could be toxic 12:42:50 <Bjarni> the girls could have aids 12:42:53 <Darkvater> terrorist 12:42:57 <Bjarni> yeah 12:43:00 <Bjarni> that's possible too 12:43:30 <Bjarni> in that case, they might take my money and blow up my home before I get the "service" 12:43:34 *** Brianetta is now known as name 12:43:38 *** name is now known as Brianetta 12:43:45 <Bjarni> hi name 12:43:48 <Bjarni> nice to see you 12:44:53 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489D9D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:46:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77721.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:51:57 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489C19A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:55:00 *** pecisk [~pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #openttd 12:55:21 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-188-161.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 12:56:10 *** blindwaves [~woogleman@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]] 12:57:01 <Darkvater> so peter1138 what do you have for me for RC4? 12:57:40 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r8186 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix (FS#557): Apply railtype offset to station graphics if no custom station is in use. 12:57:49 <peter1138> that :D 12:58:23 <Bjarni> is it well tested and have been in nightly builds for at least a week? 12:58:40 <peter1138> no 12:58:44 <peter1138> it is tested... 12:59:16 <peter1138> do we wnat to put my small.bdf somewhere accessible? 12:59:17 <peter1138> *want 13:00:26 * Darkvater reads FS557 13:01:35 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 13:01:35 <Digitalfox> !logs 13:06:40 <peter1138> or i can backport, of course ;p 13:06:58 <Darkvater> backporting is not my exclusive domain 13:07:05 <Darkvater> so feel free :) 13:07:10 <peter1138> i need to checkout 0.5 branch ;( 13:07:22 <Darkvater> I just don't want a backport commit after every commit as that'll be a huge mess 13:07:27 <Darkvater> and you can't group'em 13:07:39 <peter1138> well, ok 13:07:39 <Darkvater> and you'll have to backport fixes and fixes of fixes if the original was broken 13:07:48 <peter1138> *nod* 13:07:52 <peter1138> i'll leave it for now then 13:07:54 <Darkvater> but as RC4 is almost out, you can backport 13:07:57 <peter1138> oh 13:07:58 <peter1138> :P 13:08:21 <Darkvater> I had to do some magic :) 13:08:27 <Darkvater> svn diff -c XXX > bla 13:08:48 <Darkvater> run macro on bla to get dos lineends and .cpp/.c and then patch -p1 13:08:54 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: ? 13:09:08 <Darkvater> Hoi, 13:09:47 <Darkvater> where's that damn link 13:10:09 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: question was if WT2 supports different genders for strings 13:10:14 <Darkvater> or something like that 13:10:31 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: of course, it supports 13:10:44 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: and validates the user input the same way as strgen does 13:11:19 <Darkvater> 13:16 < peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=29699 13:11:20 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:31 <Darkvater> so this is already possible MiHaMiX ? Can you reply to him? 13:13:03 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: if this is that user whom I think... 13:13:08 <Darkvater> fenix 13:13:11 <Darkvater> I think 13:13:12 <MiHaMiX> yeah :D 13:13:16 <MiHaMiX> DarFenx 13:13:20 <MiHaMiX> +k+ 13:14:41 <Darkvater> peter1138: small.bdf is that latin only? 13:15:08 <Darkvater> it would only make sense if it would include most eastern-european characters as well 13:15:18 <Darkvater> otherwise you're better off using the sprites 13:17:33 <peter1138> no, it's not latin only 13:17:45 <peter1138> it has latin-based characters, heh 13:18:22 <Darkvater> ah 13:18:35 <Darkvater> maybe we should bundle it with the final? 13:18:57 <Darkvater> or how big is it 13:20:24 <peter1138> 43KB 13:20:35 <peter1138> hmm, spacing on cyrillic chars is a bit odd 13:21:49 <Darkvater> with fonts? 13:22:36 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has joined #openttd 13:23:01 *** TrueBrain [truelight@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 13:25:40 <peter1138> with small.bdf 13:25:44 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/small.bdf 13:25:56 <peter1138> all hand crafted by me, based on the original 13:26:07 <peter1138> though there's not a lot of variation involved in 3x5 pixel fonts 13:27:05 <Darkvater> I'll have a look at home 13:27:27 <Darkvater> question is really is small.bdf preferred to unifont.grf? 13:28:41 <peter1138> well 13:28:47 <peter1138> depends 13:28:54 <peter1138> unifont contains all font sizes 13:29:01 <peter1138> but it contains hardly any glyphs 13:29:36 <Darkvater> ah so you can't scale 13:29:53 <peter1138> unifont contains 34 characters 13:30:03 <peter1138> yeah, it's a ... bitmap font ;p 13:30:26 <peter1138> i can make a medium and large if you really want... 13:30:34 <Darkvater> nah 13:33:13 <peter1138> i think bdfed can import a ttf and output a bdf ;P 13:34:03 * Darkvater fails to see how that helps :) 13:34:11 <Darkvater> you need to fix all glyphs by hand 13:34:14 <Darkvater> eh sprites 13:38:33 <TrueBrain> !mapgen commit 8187 13:38:36 <TrueBrain> !openttd commit 8187 13:38:37 <_42_> Commit by truelight :: r8187 (none) (2007-01-17 13:38:10 UTC) 13:38:40 <TrueBrain> good 13:39:10 <Brianetta> Ooh, a "private" commit (: 13:45:10 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@i157163.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:47:32 <peter1138> erk 13:47:38 <peter1138> i almost went in the locomotion section again 13:48:05 * Darkvater gives peter1138 some ottd pills 13:51:39 *** TrueBrain [truelight@openttd.org] has left #openttd [So long and tnx for all the fish] 13:52:11 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157163.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:52:11 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 13:55:05 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:55:38 <peter1138> mr glx 13:56:47 *** blindwaves [~woogleman@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:04:13 * peter1138 > lunch 14:05:21 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has joined #openttd 14:12:00 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4FBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 14:12:08 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4FBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:39:57 *** FlashMCD [~flashff@80-193-4-162.cable.ubr05.gill.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:40:02 <FlashMCD> hello people 14:41:41 <Darkvater> hi 14:41:55 <FlashMCD> i keep getting assetion errors on my server 14:41:59 <FlashMCD> *assertion 14:42:15 <Darkvater> what kind? 14:42:19 <FlashMCD> i had one a few days ago and now another one, but in a totally different area 14:42:30 <FlashMCD> todays was: openttd: order_cmd.c:376: CmdInsertOrder: Assertion `v->orders == u->orders' failed. 14:42:53 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x5735567f.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:56 <FlashMCD> seems to be to do with giving a new order to a vehicle that has shared orders 14:42:59 <Darkvater> hmm linux i'd guess 14:43:02 <FlashMCD> yeah 14:43:10 <Darkvater> version? 14:43:13 <FlashMCD> 0.4.8 14:43:26 <Darkvater> ah 14:43:40 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43:51 <Darkvater> wait for 0.5.0RC4 (today or tomorrow) and try that as your server 14:44:01 <Darkvater> odds are 90% it's already fixed 14:45:14 <FlashMCD> i wanna stick with the standard releases though if possible 14:45:45 <MiHaMiX> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=542931#542931 <-- I have an idea regarding this 14:46:07 <Darkvater> 0.5.0 is due out any day/week now, and no fixes will be applied to the 0.4 branch 14:46:18 <Darkvater> FlashMCD: se either try RC4, or wait for the final 14:46:28 <FlashMCD> ill wait for the tfinal i guess 14:46:44 <FlashMCD> sits gonna be bootiful lol 14:46:47 <FlashMCD> *its 14:46:52 <FlashMCD> damn my post-work typing 14:52:00 <peter1138> backness 14:53:03 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: which part? 14:53:06 <Darkvater> welcomeness 14:53:45 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: the list sorting in various languages 14:54:00 <MiHaMiX> My point is a new string, called STR_LANGUAGE_SORT_STR, and 14:54:00 <MiHaMiX> in this string every language writes down the order of the 14:54:03 <MiHaMiX> chars in this language 14:54:10 <MiHaMiX> I mean, in english it's pretty easy 14:54:15 <Darkvater> if the list is sorted it's automatically sorted bye the ACTUAL string 14:54:15 <MiHaMiX> ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwkyz 14:54:39 <MiHaMiX> but for hungarian, it's should be something like this: AÁBCDEÉFGHIÍJKLMNOÓÖ.PQRSTUÚÜ.VWXYZ.... 14:54:40 <Darkvater> so it depends on the lang's position in the 'ascii'/'unicode' language 14:55:14 <MiHaMiX> yeah, but that's not good for several languages, including hungarian 14:57:23 <Darkvater> hmm; replace strcmp() with custom function that uses language-defined order for comparison? 14:57:49 <MiHaMiX> exactly 14:57:53 <Darkvater> and you'd need another list or something to define lowercase/uppercase relationships 14:58:04 <MiHaMiX> why? 14:58:12 <Darkvater> for stricmp() 14:58:16 <MiHaMiX> ahh 14:58:18 <MiHaMiX> yes 14:58:27 <MiHaMiX> but that should not be a problem 14:58:57 <Darkvater> doesn't there exist such functions already? 14:59:01 <Darkvater> don't 15:00:29 <MiHaMiX> afaik no 15:00:36 <Darkvater> wtf 15:00:52 <MiHaMiX> at least 15:00:58 <MiHaMiX> not on all plattforms 15:01:23 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-120-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:01:28 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Quit: so long suckers] 15:01:57 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 15:01:58 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 15:02:03 <Darkvater> here we go 15:04:20 <peter1138> wb 15:04:32 <Darkvater> :) 15:05:16 <peter1138> yes, we could use multibyte string sorting 15:06:48 <FlashMCD> when are the strings sorted? 15:07:12 *** FlashMCD is now known as FlashFF 15:07:19 <FlashFF> and damn my silly name 15:08:14 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-106-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:08:33 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 15:09:04 <FlashFF> because surely if the strings are all stored in the lang file, a method of presorting them could be developed so they are stored in a sorted order dependant on the language 15:09:24 <peter1138> FlashFF: in the sorting routing :) 15:09:27 <peter1138> -g+e 15:09:31 <Darkvater> and how do you propose *chaning* a sort? 15:09:40 <Darkvater> +g 15:10:05 <FlashFF> what do you mean 15:10:52 <Darkvater> sort upside down 15:10:57 <Darkvater> you can't presort that 15:11:04 <Brianetta> just index backwards 15:11:05 <peter1138> presorting is silly 15:11:10 <Brianetta> but yes 15:11:16 <FlashFF> why cant you 15:11:25 <peter1138> because you need to link the name to whatever it represents 15:11:29 <FlashFF> each language has a list of the languages 15:11:58 <MiHaMiX> FlashFF: your idea is wrong, since not all strings is stored in the languages files 15:11:59 <FlashFF> just alter the order of the list while leaving them still linked to the correct string token 15:12:09 <MiHaMiX> FlashFF: since the townnames are not coming from the language file 15:12:15 <FlashFF> ic 15:12:25 <MiHaMiX> FlashFF: thus it renders your whole idea mistaken 15:12:43 <MiHaMiX> FlashFF: but the idea I've propagate would solve this issue as well 15:12:48 <peter1138> string token, heh 15:12:54 <FlashFF> lol 15:13:03 <FlashFF> well what would you call it 15:13:43 <MiHaMiX> anyhow, I'm going to go home now :) 15:13:48 <MiHaMiX> will be back in a few hours 15:21:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D541.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:29:21 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 15:33:22 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:17 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 15:37:48 *** Neonox [~Neonox@offb-590eba24.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:28 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:25 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:48:30 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has joined #openttd 15:52:16 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 15:56:08 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:52 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has joined #openttd 16:03:12 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81DC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:05:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81728.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:05:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:08:11 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-120-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:35 *** Xera [~jamie@88-110-60-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:20:50 <Xera> omg, i can't load any save games :/ 16:21:04 <Darkvater> OMG 16:21:09 <Darkvater> WHAT DO WE DO NOW 16:21:16 <peter1138> start new games :D 16:21:27 <Xera> Darkvater: BUG REPORT?? 16:21:34 <hylje> OMG 16:21:35 <Darkvater> donnu 16:21:35 <Xera> Seg. fault when loading a save game 16:21:37 <Darkvater> what version? 16:21:45 <Xera> 0.5.0-RC3 16:21:53 <Darkvater> any save? 16:21:58 <Xera> [16:21] <Xera> omg, i can't load any save games :/ 16:22:00 <Xera> duh 16:22:01 <Rubidium> Xera: savegame with newgrfs? 16:22:01 <Xera> :P 16:22:07 <Xera> Rubidium: yes 16:22:20 <Xera> i tried removing them and loading, no help 16:22:36 <Darkvater> Rubidium: in RC3 you can't even load them so it won't segfault 16:22:48 <peter1138> that debug message will :D 16:22:55 <Darkvater> dammit 16:22:58 <Darkvater> ;p 16:23:06 <peter1138> Xera: yes, known, wait for RC4 16:23:07 <Darkvater> I keep forgetting that 16:23:29 <Xera> peter1138: so remove the grfs and start a new game? 16:23:36 <Darkvater> no 16:23:40 <Darkvater> wait for RC4 and load game 16:23:59 <Xera> so, loading is completely broken in rc3? 16:24:00 <Xera> lol 16:24:18 <peter1138> for some 16:24:20 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x5735567f.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:24:40 <Darkvater> you should use windows 16:24:45 <Xera> windows sucks 16:24:46 <Xera> :D 16:24:50 <Darkvater> it doesn't crash there though 16:24:55 <Xera> meh 16:24:59 <Xera> i don't care 16:25:03 <Xera> not gonna switch to windows for 1 game 16:25:11 <Darkvater> :O 16:25:14 <Darkvater> sacrilige! 16:25:21 <Xera> lol 16:25:22 <Xera> :P 16:25:34 <Darkvater> you can play RC2 until RC4 16:25:39 <Xera> link0r? 16:25:48 <Darkvater> search0r 16:26:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D541.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:00 <Xera> nefar 16:26:07 <Darkvater> aye 16:26:14 <Xera> nop 16:26:41 <Xera> zomg such smart 16:26:46 <Xera> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/openttd/openttd-0.5.0-RC2-i386.deb?download 16:27:51 <Xera> one tiny problem 16:27:57 <Xera> i deleted my sample.cat :@ 16:28:05 <Darkvater> good job 16:28:16 <hylje> :o 16:28:42 <Xera> anybody willing to share? :D 16:28:50 <peter1138> i pity the foo' 16:28:57 <hylje> i pity teh bar 16:29:01 <Eddi|zuHause> no, we cannot share copyrighted files 16:29:09 <Darkvater> I'd like to share a kick with you if you're thinking of illegal activities 16:29:17 <Xera> Eddi|zuHause: i have a legal copy lol 16:29:21 * Sacro readies for a kicking 16:29:28 <Xera> but the sample.cat was from when i had windows 16:29:30 <Xera> >:( 16:29:31 <Eddi|zuHause> then get that one ;) 16:29:35 <Sacro> Darkvater: surely you cant just for thinking it 16:29:52 <Eddi|zuHause> "touch sample.cat" will do the job also, just you get no sound 16:29:52 <Darkvater> Sacro: says who? 16:29:59 <Xera> lol 16:30:00 <Darkvater> Xera: told ya to get windows 16:30:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:30:02 <Xera> i like sound :( 16:30:07 <Sacro> Darkvater: err... human rights 16:30:11 <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause: it won't really, openttd will most likely crash 16:30:16 <Darkvater> unless you do -s null 16:30:27 <Xera> Sacro: human rights have nothing to do with irc 16:30:36 <Xera> human rights doesn't stop him from kicking me 16:30:43 <Xera> which is why 16:30:45 * Xera hides 16:30:51 <Eddi|zuHause> on IRC, you first have to prove that you are actually human 16:31:01 <Xera> um 16:31:10 <Xera> does not compute 16:31:35 *** ln- [lauri@ksenos.fi] has left #openttd [] 16:31:47 <Eddi|zuHause> this phrase always reminds me of gilmore girls ;) 16:33:01 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: i think 16:33:02 <Sacro> therefore i am 16:33:27 <Sacro> if he is kicking me for thinking, it is logical that i am therefore humamn 16:33:37 <Xera> what's the point of a linux version if you need the original windows version sample.cat? :D 16:33:51 <Sacro> Xera: cross platformyness 16:34:06 <Sacro> whats the point of a windows/mac osx release when linux is free and works on both platofrms 16:34:20 <Xera> well if you have no windows installation, you're screwed 16:34:29 <Eddi|zuHause> sample.cat is a storage of sound files, it does not actually matter what platform you use the game on 16:34:37 <Xera> yes but 16:34:40 <Sacro> Xera: just install linux, its free 16:34:47 <Sacro> and opensoruce 16:34:48 <hylje> you dont actually need windows for obtaining the sample.cat 16:34:49 <Xera> Sacro: i'm on linux 16:34:51 <Xera> noob XD 16:35:00 <Sacro> Xera: i run it a fair bit too 16:35:12 <Eddi|zuHause> you could get the sample.cat from the linux version of TTD, unfortunately, there is no such version 16:35:19 <Xera> XD 16:35:25 <Xera> hylje: i can't get the windows version to run in wine/cedega to get the sample.cat 16:35:26 <Xera> so 16:35:29 * Xera is screwed 16:36:14 <Sacro> you dont need to run it 16:36:19 <Sacro> just grab the file out the folder 16:37:05 <Xera> um 16:37:09 <Xera> CD, anyone? 16:37:09 <Xera> :P 16:37:42 <Sacro> heh 16:37:46 <Sacro> www.owenrudge.net 16:37:54 <Xera> ya know, ttd is abandonware now? 16:37:56 <Xera> :p 16:37:59 <Sacro> transport tycoon-> 16:38:03 <Sacro> where to get it 16:38:23 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [told ya not tod o it] 16:38:32 <Maedhros> there is no such thing as abandonware... 16:38:34 <setrodox> abandonware is and always will be a grey zone of legality 16:38:41 <setrodox> or, more of a black zone :P 16:38:46 <Xera> Maedhros: it's when bthe software is out of the copyright 16:38:49 <Xera> the& 16:38:50 <Xera> ** 16:38:52 <Xera> _._ 16:39:05 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 16:39:08 <Xera> my cd case says copyright 1995 16:39:09 <Xera> =P 16:39:12 <Sacro> Darkvater: kick orudge :p its his site 16:39:24 <Darkvater> you're advertising it 16:40:10 <Xera> i see no sample.cat on that website 16:40:13 <Xera> >: 16:40:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Xera: copyright is life of the author + 70 years 16:40:26 <Xera> NOT that i'm looking... but.. 16:40:27 <Xera> XD 16:40:51 <Eddi|zuHause> no software whatsoever is anything close to that... 16:40:52 *** Xera is now known as xera 16:40:57 <xera> afk back in 5 16:41:03 <Darkvater> 4 16:41:04 <Darkvater> 3 16:41:05 <Darkvater> 2 16:41:06 <Darkvater> 1 16:41:29 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, that is true for european laws. I Think that it is 49 years in the USA 16:41:40 <Belugas> but even then... 16:42:00 <Eddi|zuHause> last time i checked, Chris Sawyer was british... 16:43:34 <caladan> well, that time is just unreal for software... in 70years there wont be x86's no more :D 16:44:12 <Bjarni> that's besides the point 16:44:31 <Bjarni> if the law says life + 70 years, then it's life + 70 years 16:44:33 <Darkvater> <discussion> >. 16:44:52 * Darkvater thinks our best bet would be to get rid of CS asap 16:45:10 <Bjarni> you know any assassins? 16:45:11 <peter1138> make him honorary dev 16:45:33 <Darkvater> :) 16:45:38 <Darkvater> ok; going home 16:45:40 <peter1138> bye 16:45:45 <Darkvater> I'll be back around ten-ish 16:45:54 <Darkvater> to merge langs and do RC4 16:46:09 <caladan> yeeeee :-) 16:46:10 <Bjarni> just remember that order :) 16:46:23 <Belugas> next project on the todos.. sample.cat replacement... 16:46:28 <Eddi|zuHause> who needs langs ;) 16:46:28 <Belugas> to your studios, gent' 16:46:48 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: well, people, who do not know English that well 16:46:57 <Bjarni> like Germans 16:47:08 <Eddi|zuHause> just make the game fixed to german.txt ;) 16:47:43 *** xera is now known as Xera 16:47:44 <Bjarni> it looks like Germans don't know foreign languages or even how to read 16:47:54 <Xera> lol 16:48:06 <Bjarni> at least that's the idea you get from watching German TV 16:48:33 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, a lot of germans do not even know english 16:48:36 <Bjarni> I once saw a bit of an ST:TNG episode in German.... I turned it off because it sucked 16:49:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it's less sucky if you don't know the alternative 16:49:37 <Bjarni> like subtitles? 16:50:21 * Bjarni is looking forward to full scale DVB usage where subtitles are optional and the same goes for speech 16:50:39 <Bjarni> then you can decide if you want the original language or some synced faked one 16:51:43 <Xera> racist!! 16:51:43 <Xera> kick!! 16:51:43 <Xera> :P 16:51:43 *** Xera [~jamie@88-110-60-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:49 *** Xera [~jamie@88-110-60-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:52:09 *** Hadez [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 16:53:09 <Xera> what kind of dumbass sells a cd that: is un-encrypted/is copyable/needs no cd key 16:53:10 <Xera> >.< 16:53:44 <Eddi|zuHause> someone that believes in the good-hearted morality of the people 16:54:07 <Xera> lol 16:54:08 <Xera> XD 16:54:45 <Xera> hmm 16:54:54 <Xera> is there anyway to set my saves to use the default grfs? 16:54:55 <Bjarni> I once downloaded some shareware and in the prefs window, there was a checkbox, that said "I paid". Then I clicked on it (to see what happened) and a nice little popup said "thank you for supporting shareware" and the 30 minute timer went away 16:55:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Xera: yes, RC4 has that ability ;) 16:55:14 <Bjarni> next version had a serial system 16:55:23 <Xera> Eddi|zuHause: >: 16:58:45 <Xera> suggestion for multiplayer server list: search and favorites 16:59:10 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 16:59:11 <Xera> f**k, all the servers are using RC3 xD 17:00:18 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 17:01:00 <Bjarni> Xera: I got a secret for you: RC4 is not released yet 17:01:20 <Bjarni> which would make it rather strange if all the servers used it 17:02:24 <FlashFF> lol 17:02:33 <Eddi|zuHause> nah... it's the same as when you tell your browser to identify as "Internet Explorer 8 alpha" 17:02:52 *** Xera [~jamie@88-110-60-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:58 *** Xera [~jamie@88-110-60-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:03:08 <Eddi|zuHause> just to confuse server 17:03:21 <Eddi|zuHause> 's logs 17:03:53 <FlashFF> most will just shove you in the "other" section 17:04:04 <Eddi|zuHause> (it's so bad that they put the ' key next to the enter key... i liked the old layout better, where it was above the enter key) 17:04:19 <FlashFF> ur crazy 17:04:29 <FlashFF> ' isnt next to the enter key 17:04:29 <peter1138> ur? 17:04:30 <FlashFF> # is 17:04:38 <FlashFF> yeah ur 17:04:39 <FlashFF> im lazy 17:04:43 <Eddi|zuHause> ' is shift+# 17:04:51 <peter1138> lies 17:04:52 <FlashFF> only in crazy land 17:04:55 <peter1138> @ is shift+' 17:05:00 <FlashFF> shift + # is @ 17:05:03 <peter1138> ~ is shift+# 17:05:07 <FlashFF> i mean what he said 17:05:12 <FlashFF> shift and ' lol 17:05:22 <FlashFF> shift + # is ~ 17:05:38 <FlashFF> what keybouard layou you using? 17:05:41 <FlashFF> *layout 17:05:51 <Eddi|zuHause> no, ~ is altgr++ 17:06:12 <FlashFF> lol 17:06:15 <Bjarni> I know of C++, but not altgr++ 17:06:19 <Xera> xD? 17:06:24 <Xera> žžž 17:06:28 <FlashFF> ¿ 17:06:28 <Xera> O_O 17:06:31 <caladan> alt gray plus + sign :P 17:06:34 <Xera> press alt gr and then ++ 17:06:35 <Xera> XD 17:06:36 <FlashFF> ¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿? 17:06:41 <Xera> žžžžžžž 17:06:41 <caladan> óó³³± 17:06:44 <Xera> žžž 17:06:44 <Xera> o.o 17:06:47 <Xera> \\\\\\ 17:06:48 <FlashFF> = 17:06:50 <Xera> `` 17:06:51 <Xera> :O 17:06:53 <Eddi|zuHause> ? is shift+ß 17:06:57 <FlashFF> you mean hold alt gr? 17:06:58 <Xera> O.o? 17:07:01 <peter1138> ž 17:07:04 <Xera> FlashFF: well duh 17:07:06 <Bjarni> ... 17:07:07 <FlashFF> or push it then type ++ 17:07:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and \ is altgr+ß 17:07:12 <caladan> ±ê³¿¶¿Œ 17:07:13 <Xera> žžž 17:07:14 <FlashFF> cos it does nothing lol 17:07:19 <FlashFF> Þ 17:07:21 <Xera> n"n?æð?ð???ð?ð?¶??? 17:07:22 <Xera> :O! 17:07:23 <Xera> XD 17:07:26 <FlashFF> :Þ 17:07:29 <Bjarni> be serious or be kicked 17:07:31 <glx> ~ is altgr+é, \ is altgr+_ 17:07:34 <Xera> ð?j?ð<-?Ÿœ{œEURœ{[EUR 17:07:38 <FlashFF> i pick option 12 17:07:41 <FlashFF> i mean 1 17:07:41 <Xera> wow, never knew i could do that 17:07:41 <Xera> O 17:07:42 <Xera> :O 17:07:43 <Xera> :P 17:07:48 <Xera> gah ok 17:07:52 * Xera shuts up 17:08:03 * FlashFF copies Xera 17:08:14 * hylje pirates Xera 17:08:27 <FlashFF> sell him on ebay! 17:08:34 <Bjarni> somebody actually have to pay for your nonsense 17:08:47 <Bjarni> I once saw a guy for sale online 17:09:03 <Xera> O_o 17:09:21 <Eddi|zuHause> once they had the government of baden-württemberg for sale on ebay ;) 17:09:21 <FlashFF> lol 17:09:24 <Bjarni> a friend of mine knew him and told me to bid on him 17:09:28 <Bjarni> I didn't 17:10:08 <caladan> Bjarni: it would be fun if you bought him 17:10:23 <Eddi|zuHause> as "very rare item, because of high fluctuation of members" [represented as photo] 17:11:13 <Bjarni> caladan: I was told to buy him and then report the seller for not sending the "item" in time 17:11:47 <Bjarni> there is a bash quote about a guy, who asked his dad to make a bid on ebay for him and his dad said sure, what link and then he got a link for a real aircraft carrier 17:12:04 <Bjarni> oddly enough his dad refused 17:12:19 <Bjarni> I bet it was the lack of room and not the price, that was the issue :P 17:12:51 <caladan> For sure :D 17:13:11 <Eddi|zuHause> what, you don't have space for an aircraft carrier in your backyard pond? 17:13:12 <caladan> if he had more space in garage ho would have bought two 17:14:01 *** Xera [~jamie@88-110-60-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14:07 *** Xera [~jamie@88-110-60-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:21:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:23:11 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc74.host2.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 17:25:05 *** Hadez [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:26:18 <Brianetta> New game on Standard 17:26:18 <Brianetta> Get in while you can 17:26:19 <Brianetta> 3 clients already connected 17:27:18 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc74.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 17:28:10 *** Xera [~jamie@88-110-60-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:15 *** Xera [~jamie@88-110-60-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:34:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host98-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:34:50 <Wolf01> ello 17:35:31 *** Hadez [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 17:38:12 <peter1138> hi 17:38:25 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:40:03 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-188-161.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 17:41:00 <caladan> Brianetta: that landscape is quite strange... 17:49:00 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-188-161.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 17:57:31 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 17:59:46 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:01 <Digitalfox> Damn Sony.. Now they are saying maybe Abril to lanch PS3 in europe.. If this continues, maybe 2010 we europeans may buy a PS3 at a store in Europe 18:02:27 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:02:28 <Digitalfox> It's like Europe isn't a big market.. 18:02:35 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-213-249-225-205.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:02:40 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-213-249-225-205.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 18:06:30 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F1287.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:11:08 <peter1138> isn't it crap anyway? 18:12:04 <Digitalfox> peter1138: It may be, but still it's like sony thinks european market is secundary.. 18:12:07 <Belugas> in here, WII are WAY more popular than PS3 18:12:23 * peter1138 > hine 18:12:24 <peter1138> err 18:12:26 * peter1138 > home 18:13:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 18:13:05 *** Hadez [~chatzilla@151.244.broadband7.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:05 <Sionide> is wii the correct plural? 18:17:48 <Belugas> don't know... 18:23:37 <Xera> Sionide: yes 18:24:17 <hylje> wii 18:24:31 <Xera> WII will rock you! 18:24:31 <Xera> XD 18:26:14 <Xera> hmm, something's up with multiplayer 18:26:28 <Xera> yesterday it was working, today when i try and join it just sits there 18:26:33 <Xera> absolutely nothing happens 18:26:51 <Xera> stuck on "Fetching game info.." >: 18:31:33 <Rubidium> what server? 18:33:58 <Xera> all 18:35:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd assume a router problem 18:36:21 *** Xera [~jamie@88-110-60-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:36:22 <Rubidium> it works ok for me 18:36:28 *** Xera [~jamie@88-110-60-201.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:36:31 <Xera> ffs 18:36:36 <Xera> i keep getting disconnected :/ 18:36:36 <Rubidium> Xera: it works ok for me 18:36:54 <Xera> well i have no firewall, so it isn't being blocked 18:36:55 <Xera> :S 18:37:08 <Xera> try and join 88.110.60.201 18:37:14 <Xera> plz 18:38:18 <Rubidium> hmm, strange 18:38:30 <Rubidium> does the server give some errors? 18:38:38 <Xera> no 18:41:14 <Rubidium> is it solved by restarting the server? 18:41:29 <Xera> well, i'm not bothered about my server 18:41:35 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]] 18:41:40 <Xera> just the fact that i can't join any multiplayer games 18:41:53 *** PandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:42:04 <Rubidium> what's weird that I've tried a few servers and I can just join normally 18:42:45 <Rubidium> except for your server 18:42:52 <Xera> :X 18:42:53 *** PandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 18:43:09 *** PandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:43:11 <CIA-1> miham * r8193 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) 18:43:11 <CIA-1> -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-01-17 19:42:11 18:43:11 <CIA-1> brazilian_portuguese - 3 changed by fukumori (3) 18:43:11 <CIA-1> danish - 21 changed by MiR (21) 18:43:11 <CIA-1> german - 1 fixed by Neonox (1) 18:43:12 <CIA-1> japanese - 24 changed by ickoonite (24) 18:43:12 <CIA-1> norwegian_nynorsk - 1 changed by pollux (1) 18:43:28 <Xera> duude, pastebin? 18:43:29 <Xera> XD 18:43:53 <Rubidium> are you talking to me or CIA-1? 18:43:53 <hylje> cia is teh source control watcher 18:44:00 <setrodox> Xera, CIA-1 is a bot 18:44:02 <Xera> oh 18:44:03 <Xera> ok :P 18:44:04 <hylje> it would be kinda lame to make it use pastebin 18:44:15 <Xera> lol 18:44:44 * Xera coughs "lazy coders" 18:45:02 <hylje> its not quite as lazy now 18:47:24 * Smoovious stretches and yawns. 18:47:30 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F1287.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:18 <Xera> wtf 18:48:27 <Xera> i can't build train engines, only carriages 18:49:17 <Rubidium> you're in the year 3000 or so? 18:49:22 <Xera> yes 18:49:24 <hylje> :o 18:49:43 <Rubidium> the engines are too old to be build :) 18:49:49 <Xera> O_o 18:50:14 <hylje> patch vehicles_never_expire 1 ? 18:50:38 <Xera> damn it 18:50:43 <Xera> i can't afford maglev trains 18:50:45 <Xera> _._ 18:51:01 <setrodox> you are in the year 3000 and can't afford maglev? :o 18:51:11 <Xera> it started at 3000 18:51:12 <Xera> XD 18:51:18 <setrodox> ah, heh, ok ^^ 18:53:59 *** Xera is now known as xera 18:54:10 <xera> dinner, afk 18:56:48 * Smoovious stretches and yawns. 18:56:52 <Smoovious> oops 18:57:06 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:58:01 <Eddi|zuHause> now look what you did, you scared bjarni away 18:58:17 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 18:58:34 * Smoovious grins. 18:58:37 <Smoovious> yeah, I do that 18:59:16 <Smoovious> hey... whaddya think of an idea, for when you change your company color, the vehicles don't change color until they've gone to depot? 19:00:09 <Eddi|zuHause> you can do that by creating a grf which does livery refit 19:00:50 <Smoovious> ok, good 'nuff 19:01:20 <Smoovious> I think 19:01:35 <Eddi|zuHause> or like the dbset, where the livery depends on build date 19:02:39 <Smoovious> nah, don't care about that... just looking to, even with the default set, just hold off on repainting til depot 19:03:37 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 19:03:45 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-188-161.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 19:04:07 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i know what you mean, but you have to store the colours somewhere 19:04:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and that somewhere can be cargo subtype, for example 19:05:58 <Smoovious> yeah, I know... 19:06:00 *** Wolfy [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 19:14:52 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:16:26 <Wolf01> there is a svn log file with the latest 5-10 revisions, i mean like this: http://nightly.openttd.org/devs/changes.log which is for the nightlies? 19:17:22 <peter1138> hmm? 19:17:27 <peter1138> was that a question? 19:17:36 <Wolf01> yes 19:18:43 <peter1138> what was it? 19:19:13 <Wolf01> i want to know the latest changes in trunk in real time 19:19:31 <peter1138> well there's the mailing list 19:19:55 <Rubidium> and there's CIA 19:20:23 <Rubidium> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/openttd 19:20:52 <Wolf01> ok, this is what i need, thanks Rubidium :) 19:23:03 *** Tron_ [52i7lhKV@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:26:43 *** xera is now known as Xera 19:27:58 <raimar3> ADMINS!!! 19:28:36 <raimar3> causing havoc by not copying the ACLs when they migrate directories 19:29:58 <raimar3> Celestar: did you found time to look at the patch? 19:30:05 <peter1138> found->find 19:30:24 <Celestar> what patch are we talking about? 19:31:02 <raimar3> improved AI 19:31:25 <Wolf01> mmm i have some troubles with the tortoise svn, it places the green icon at every file also if i change it 19:31:38 <Celestar> raimar3: ah no, not yet, and I won't have time before Friday night I fear. But I'll look at it over the weekend. please poke me again on Saturday :) 19:32:55 <peter1138> i turn off tortoise's icons, heh 19:33:00 <peter1138> bloody useless things 19:34:51 <DaleStan> Wolf01: Tortoise occasionally does strange things. Make sure you haven't futzed with the .svn folders, nor created a junction into anything other than the base of a checkout. 19:35:18 <DaleStan> Then use task manager to kill TSVNCache.exe 19:36:38 <Wolf01> i don't have svncache.exe o_O 19:36:54 <Wolf01> ah here is it 19:36:59 <Xera> are there any planes that can carry goods? o.o 19:37:08 <Celestar> Xera: yes, you can refit them 19:37:19 <Wolf01> if i arrange by name is easier to find :) 19:37:22 <Celestar> DaleStan: thanks a bunch for all your feedback btw 19:37:22 <Xera> i can't find any 19:37:51 <Celestar> Xera: *refit* a passenger plane 19:37:56 <Xera> oh 19:37:57 <Xera> kk 19:38:22 <Wolf01> ok, now some icons are disappeared, but the one on scr folder is still 19:38:48 <Wolf01> and now without do anything is red again :O 19:39:01 <Wolf01> svn is strange 19:39:20 <Celestar> ok g2g 19:39:34 <Rubidium> no, tortoisesvn in combination with explorer is strange 19:41:56 *** PandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: PandaMojo] 19:48:24 <Wolf01> if (e->we.keypress.keycode" target="_blank">we.keypress.keycode" target="_blank">we.keypress.keycode" target="_blank">we.keypress.keycode >= WKC_CTRL+'1' && e->we.keypress.keycode" target="_blank">we.keypress.keycode" target="_blank">we.keypress.keycode" target="_blank">we.keypress.keycode <= WKC_CTRL+'7') { TOGGLEBIT(_transparent_opt, e->we.keypress.keycode" target="_blank">we.keypress.keycode" target="_blank">we.keypress.keycode" target="_blank">we.keypress.keycode - WKC_CTRL+'1'); MarkWholeScreenDirty(); } 19:48:25 <Wolf01> what is going wrong? 1 sets 3, 2 sets 4... 19:50:12 <Rubidium> e->we.keypress.keycode + '1' - WKC_CTRL 19:50:38 <raimar3> Celestar: no problem 19:50:40 <Rubidium> that's what you've got, and I'm wondering whether it is correct 19:54:52 <Wolf01> mmm A+B-C and A-C+B, what does change? 19:55:19 <Wolf01> (and why worked until today) 19:55:27 <CIA-1> rubidium * r8198 /trunk/src/network/network.h: -Codechange: two global variables are not needed when network is disabled. 19:56:49 <Rubidium> Wolf01: it is not going to change anything, but rewriting the if to .... >= yields something different than what you use in TOGGLEBIT 19:57:28 <Wolf01> what do you mean? 19:57:31 <Rubidium> i.e. e->we.keypress.keycode" target="_blank">we.keypress.keycode >= WKC_CTRL + '1' ==> e->we.keypress.keycode" target="_blank">we.keypress.keycode - (WKC_CTRL + '1') >= 0 19:57:48 <Wolf01> ah ok 20:00:00 <Wolf01> yeah, now it doesn't work at all 20:05:41 <Rubidium> that's strange 20:08:17 *** Maedhros [~jc@140.211.166.183] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:24:51 <Brianetta> caladan: It's TGP 20:26:54 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:26:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:27:16 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-236-105.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29:51 <CIA-1> miham * r8202 /trunk/src/lang/russian.txt: -Fix: r8193: russian.txt changes somehow became garbage 20:30:25 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x5735567f.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 20:30:30 <Wolf01> Rubidium, i solved so: TOGGLEBIT(_transparent_opt, e->we.keypress.keycode - WKC_CTRL+'1'-2); now i don't know why yesterday evening worked and this evening not 20:33:18 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 20:34:33 <CIA-1> tron * r8203 /trunk/src/ (station.cpp station.h): 20:34:33 <CIA-1> -Fix: 20:34:33 <CIA-1> Use initialisers, reduce variable scope, remove spurious whitespace, fix format string to make it readable 20:36:15 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-236-105.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 20:37:29 <CIA-1> miham * r8204 /trunk/src/lang/russian.txt: 20:37:29 <CIA-1> -Fix: reverted r8202, since it did not solve all the problems, since ALL 20:37:29 <CIA-1> language changes done today are garbage due to a quick bugfix in WT2 which 20:37:29 <CIA-1> introduced another, much more serious bug: put an utf8_to_htmlcode() call to a 20:37:29 <CIA-1> wrong place 20:37:30 <CIA-1> I will fix the affected language files soon (20-30 minutes) 20:37:30 <CIA-1> Please excuse me for this whole problem :-( 20:37:35 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:57 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has joined #openttd 20:45:36 <Brianetta> My server is full 20:45:37 <Brianetta> 8 companies 20:45:38 <Brianetta> 10 clients 20:45:51 <scia> :) 20:47:33 <Brianetta> Oooh, we have space for a spectator 20:47:37 <Brianetta> just one, mind (: 20:47:42 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 20:47:45 <Wolf01> how many revisions do you have in mind to do this night? i'm trying to create a multi-patch, but every time i sync the various patches there is a new revision 20:48:48 <Brianetta> Wolf01: 0.5 is being backported 20:48:50 <Brianetta> expect many 20:49:14 <Wolf01> i'm working on trunk, so the 0.5 branch doesn't affect me 20:49:23 <peter1138> Wolf01: most of the time an update will do you fine 20:52:42 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-226-255.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:52:46 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x5735567f.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:54:54 <Brianetta> The players tell me you can flod lowlands with Ctrl-canal 20:54:59 <Brianetta> even if you thought you'd protected them 20:55:09 <Brianetta> I knew you could do that in the scenario editor 20:55:12 <Brianetta> but in-game? 20:55:14 <Brianetta> dangerous 20:57:14 <Brianetta> Can we increase max_spectators beyond 10 in 0.5? 20:57:20 <Brianetta> I've not actually tried 20:57:51 <Brianetta> ERROR: Maximum spectators out of bounds, truncating to limit. 20:57:55 <Brianetta> ah, that's a no 20:57:59 <Brianetta> *** scia has left the game (desync error) 20:58:03 <Brianetta> Coincidence? 20:58:13 <scia> don't know 20:58:31 <peter1138> heh 20:58:40 <peter1138> these russians are pretty funny on copyright law 20:59:32 <scia> what is copyright? *cough* 20:59:32 <Brianetta> peter1138: They're not used to it being enforced. You can buy pirate software in bubble-jet-printed packaging on the street. 20:59:32 <peter1138> (and people use that allofmp3 thing... heh) 20:59:32 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7769.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:32 <Brianetta> Shite 20:59:37 <Brianetta> My server just ditched all connections 20:59:42 <peter1138> hhmm 20:59:45 <scia> it did not 20:59:51 <scia> I'm still on... 20:59:51 <Brianetta> All but two 20:59:52 <peter1138> that... "shouldn't happen" 21:00:07 <Rubidium> hmm, should we disallow making oceans in network games only, or in all games (except for the scenario editor) 21:00:15 <Brianetta> Maybe somebody at my ISP pulled a cat5 for a few seconds to plug it in elsewhere 21:00:26 <Brianetta> I'm sure they do that from time to time, rathger than call downtime and let me know 21:00:43 <Brianetta> Rubidium: Ideally 21:00:50 <caladan> Hmm, does it reset password or smthing? 21:00:55 <Brianetta> Letting the ocean pour in is one thing 21:01:00 <Brianetta> Using a hose pipe less so 21:01:03 *** Xera is now known as xera 21:01:12 <Brianetta> caladan: No 21:01:21 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:02:44 <Rubidium> Brianetta: that's not an answer to my question :) 21:03:21 <Brianetta> Rubidium: "should we?" Brianetta: "Ideally" 21:03:22 <peter1138> basically when i changed the canal behaviour i kept the ability to behave in the old manner 21:03:34 <Brianetta> peter1138: That behaviour was introduced with canals 21:03:56 <Brianetta> perhaps it should be, er, out-troduced 21:04:08 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 21:04:38 <Zaviori> Is that even a word :I 21:05:19 <peter1138> it is now :D 21:05:44 <CIA-1> miham * r8206 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): [Translations] -Fix: Fixed r8193, converted the html notations back to UTF8 characters 21:05:57 <Brianetta> Zaviori: No, it isn't 21:06:05 <Zaviori> Great 21:06:10 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4FBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:06:29 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/patches/transparency_options_gui.diff i fixed the hotkeys, but i don't know why 4!=A+B if A=1 and B=3 21:07:08 <Brianetta> 1.0 + 3.0 ~= 4.0 21:07:18 <Brianetta> but I know openttd uses integer maths 21:08:30 <Brianetta> peter1138: Was disabling docks on others' canals deliberate? 21:08:48 <Brianetta> Because it's a pig on player255 owned canals 21:08:56 <Brianetta> or whatever player the world is 21:09:19 <peter1138> OWNER_NONE? hmm 21:09:55 <Brianetta> "Owned by Kentfordindale" ro whatever 21:10:07 <Brianetta> Can't demolish, can't build a dock, nothing 21:10:10 <blathijs> oeh, nice 21:10:14 <Wolf01> Brianetta, what i mean is why e->we.keypress.keycode" target="_blank">we.keypress.keycode != WKC_CTRL+'1' if i press WKC_CTRL and '1'... but is e->we.keypress.keycode" target="_blank">we.keypress.keycode == WKC_CTRL+'1'-2 21:10:21 <Brianetta> And we still can't build locks inthe scenario editor )-: 21:10:53 <Brianetta> Wolf01: Is that + as in OR? 21:11:06 <blathijs> "The most active ftpmaster in Debian, ie, someone with a final say on what's good and what isn't for the main archive, is a *hardcore* ttd player" <-- about a debian ftp-master 21:11:18 <Brianetta> blathijs: Who is it? 21:11:27 <Brianetta> We need them here so I can flame-bait them 21:11:33 <Brianetta> Debian-- 21:14:21 <CIA-1> tron * r8207 /trunk/src/ (oldloader.cpp station.cpp station.h station_cmd.cpp): 21:14:21 <CIA-1> -Fix 21:14:21 <CIA-1> Remove the write-only attribute RoadStop::station 21:15:08 <Darkvater> ok, back 21:16:00 <blathijs> Brianetta: I don't know, but it means that openttd might just be available in debian soon :-) 21:16:04 <Darkvater> now, let's get started \o/ 21:17:20 <blathijs> A debian dev mailed me months back offering to upload my .debs to debian. Today I replied him that I had not pushed it so far due to legal issues, but since then he found this ftp-master that thinks openttd can go in without any problems 21:17:29 <blathijs> so that's a good thing :-) 21:20:08 <XeryusTC> <Jinx> In physics, torque or often called in physics a moment can informally be thought of as "rotational force" or "angular force" which causes a change in rotational motion. This force is defined by linear force multiplied by a radius. The SI units for Torque are newton metres. <- Jinx on tractive effort :P 21:21:51 <Brianetta> blathijs: I do wonder how they propose to make users aware that they need original game files 21:25:50 <Eddi|zuHause> XeryusTC: i fail to see the relevance of "rotational force" with wheel-to-rail friction 21:26:41 <XeryusTC> Eddi|zuHause: TE = Torque according to Jinx 21:27:02 <Eddi|zuHause> there's an explanation of TE in the DBSetXL readme 21:27:16 <XeryusTC> :o 21:27:25 <XeryusTC> ttdpatch.de right? 21:27:44 <Eddi|zuHause> something like that, yes 21:28:16 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-78.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 21:28:48 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 21:28:48 <Digitalfox> !logs 21:29:30 <XeryusTC> hmm, seems W/ms^-1 to me :P 21:29:52 <XeryusTC> ah well 21:29:58 <XeryusTC> my physics arent that good :P 21:30:41 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not good practice to mix / and ^(-1) 21:31:12 <XeryusTC> you want W/m/s then? 21:31:17 <Digitalfox> What's up with so many commits to svn in white? 21:31:29 <XeryusTC> ms^(-1) is more understandable for most people ;) 21:31:31 <Eddi|zuHause> well, W/(ms) if that is what you mean 21:31:45 <hylje> #openttd-physics 21:31:48 <XeryusTC> ms = m*s, not m/s 21:31:57 <XeryusTC> or microsoft ofcourse :P 21:32:09 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4FBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:14 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, if you mean W/(m/s), then that is Ws/m 21:32:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and that would mean you'd have to write W/(ms^(-1)) in the first place 21:32:58 <XeryusTC> hmm 21:33:05 <XeryusTC> that last statement would be true :P 21:33:09 <Eddi|zuHause> and Ws/m is the same thing as N 21:33:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. a simple force 21:33:50 <XeryusTC> <Eddi|zuHause> and Ws/m is the same thing as N <- they dont teach that in school anymore these days :( 21:33:59 <XeryusTC> or i forgot after 4 years of physics :P 21:34:55 <Eddi|zuHause> N - force, Nm=J - work/energy, J/s = Nm/s = W - power 21:35:29 <Eddi|zuHause> you can derive that from the formulas... 21:35:57 <Eddi|zuHause> as well as N=kg*m/s^2 21:36:00 <peter1138> Tron: grr, i keep needing full recompiles ;-( 21:36:06 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host98-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:36:06 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host98-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Wolfolo|AWAY))] 21:36:11 <XeryusTC> Eddi|zuHause: i know the N, J and W stuff 21:36:27 <XeryusTC> but they teach that stuff weird to us nowadays 21:36:43 <Eddi|zuHause> well, going from Nm/s = W to Ws/m=N is rather trivial 21:37:03 <peter1138> 21:21 < Brianetta> blathijs: I do wonder how they propose to make users aware that they need original game files 21:37:07 <Eddi|zuHause> but probably i am too mathmatically biased ;) 21:37:11 <peter1138> Brianetta: they package quake, doom, etc... 21:37:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host98-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:38:37 * Belugas scratches his head 21:39:04 <blathijs> Brianetta: "they", being "debian" ? 21:39:04 <Belugas> unsigned short = 0..65535 right? 21:39:10 <peter1138> Belugas? 21:39:19 <peter1138> hmm 21:39:20 <peter1138> uint16_t :d 21:39:38 <Brianetta> peter1138: Doom and Quake come with shareware versions of the data files 21:39:44 <peter1138> true 21:39:48 <peter1138> they package quake 2 too 21:39:48 <blathijs> Brianetta: probably exactly as what the .debs do right now: Upon installing of the .deb, it prompts with a message stating that very fact, as well as a message in the description of the pacakge 21:39:59 <Belugas> i'm trying to translate a C api to Delphi. It works fine for about 90% of it. It fails on memory corruption 21:40:06 <Belugas> so i wonder about the validity 21:40:17 <Noldo> blathijs: and that they would be in contrib 21:40:21 <Noldo> blathijs: or? 21:40:30 <Tron> Belugas: are strings involved? 21:40:32 * Sacro wants Sort by production/transported 21:40:32 *** pecisk [~pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has quit [Quit: J?iet prom] 21:40:42 <XeryusTC> http://radio.zernebok.com:8000/ 21:40:47 <blathijs> Noldo: probably, since it's not usable without non-free content 21:41:26 <Belugas> Tron: no, simply short and long. strings are arrays[0..x], easy to do 21:42:03 <Tron> uh, strings are anything BUT easy 21:42:13 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has quit [Quit: Fui embora] 21:42:30 <Belugas> hehe... in Delphi, they are :) but i agree that in C, it is a bit more complicated 21:43:08 <Sacro> Belugas: 0...x-1? 21:43:14 <Belugas> the api i'm trying to use puts string in fixed char arrays, padded with #0 on no char. so 21:43:22 <Belugas> Tron: yes, of course 21:43:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: 0 is the size, 1..x is the string 21:43:51 <Noldo> blathijs: but very nice anyway :) 21:43:52 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: 1...x-1 is the string 21:43:56 <Sacro> x = /0 21:44:19 <Tron> Belugas: yes, no, maybe. there are variants with 2 byte or 4 byte length prefix 21:44:32 <Eddi|zuHause> pascal-strings are not 0-terminated 21:44:40 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host98-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:44:40 <Eddi|zuHause> because they have the size stored 21:45:37 <Belugas> Tron: so if i have char description[15], it will be Array[0..14] or Char. 21:45:57 <Tron> ? 21:46:00 <Belugas> Tron: 2/4 byte lenght prefix? what do yo mean? 21:46:21 <Tron> struct { 21:46:24 <Tron> byte length; 21:46:31 <Tron> char string[]; 21:46:32 <Tron> }; 21:46:38 <Tron> in C terms 21:46:49 <Tron> would be a classical Pascal string 21:47:08 <Tron> though there are variants which use a uint16 or even uint32 instead of byte 21:47:23 <caladan> right, and in Delphi that size is 16bits long, afaik 21:47:46 <Belugas> mmh... 21:47:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i think delphi allows strings up to 2^32 length 21:48:03 <Belugas> so i guess i have to try different lenghts 21:48:40 <Eddi|zuHause> and also in pascal, chars are unsigned, i believe 21:48:54 <Belugas> there are 2 big different strings in Delphi. ShortString = standard pascal string as Tron described and the String itself, closely resembling the pchar 21:49:01 <Tron> Belugas: well, fill some example record and do a memory dump 21:49:02 <Eddi|zuHause> while in C, that is platform dependant 21:49:40 <Belugas> Tron: yes, looks like what i have to do 21:49:41 <Belugas> thanks 21:50:06 * Belugas goes back in testing mode 21:50:23 <Eddi|zuHause> in delphi, a lot of the implementation details are hidden from the user 21:50:31 <Eddi|zuHause> s/user/programmer 21:50:34 <caladan> string is a string 21:50:37 <caladan> ansi string is pstring 21:50:38 <caladan> :D 21:51:03 <Eddi|zuHause> last time i used delphi, strings were basically dynamic arrays 21:53:27 <caladan> they always were in pascal 21:53:51 <Belugas> caladan : false 21:54:06 <Belugas> strings were no more then 256 char arrays 21:54:10 <caladan> ok, i used TP5.0 first time 21:54:18 <caladan> ah, but "like" dynamic 21:54:37 <Belugas> only delphi/object pascal brough the dynamic array representation of a string 21:55:30 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-140-81.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:57:48 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:10 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has joined #openttd 22:05:28 * peter1138 wonders if there is a language that tron doesn't know 22:05:55 <peter1138> programming, that is 22:06:48 <Tron> it's always an advantage to know the enemy 22:07:08 <Darkvater> visualbasic 22:07:20 <Belugas> that's not a language :P 22:07:25 <Darkvater> ;) 22:08:40 * Belugas goes to home, will speak language of lofe to wife of his, trying to make forget i will be late for supper ... 22:08:47 <Belugas> love 22:08:53 <Belugas> nto lofe :S 22:08:58 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 22:09:01 <Belugas_Gone> see you 22:09:06 <Darkvater> bye lofe 22:09:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i really enjoyed programming in prolog ;) 22:09:23 <Belugas_Gone> so sweet :D 22:10:03 <setrodox> peter1138, there is atleast one, panzer, a generator based functional language, only i and the developer know it ;D 22:11:54 <Eddi|zuHause> and i hate the time when our professor had us program in Sather-K (which he knew the developer of), because the compiler was buggy, and the language and libraries were underdocumented 22:13:11 <setrodox> buggy compiler and underdocumentation are the reasons panzer isn't released at all :S 22:14:06 <Tron> Eddi|zuHause: http://www.info.uni-karlsruhe.de/ <--- front row, second guy from the left 22:15:13 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, exactly ;) 22:16:00 <Tron> i'm at his chair 22:16:27 <Eddi|zuHause> in the links on the right, Prof. Zimmermann, that is the professor i was speaking of ;) 22:17:06 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:17:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i also know Prof. Löwe, he was holding a few guest lectures at our university 22:17:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host98-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:19:16 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r8211 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_callbacks.h vehicle.cpp): 22:19:16 <CIA-1> -Codechange: (NewGRF) Implement callback 2D, explicit vehicle colour map 22:19:16 <CIA-1> selection. 22:19:34 <peter1138> nicely placed newline there... 22:32:31 *** Biff [~biff@30.80-203-176.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:32:39 <CIA-1> tron * r8212 /trunk/src/ (station.cpp station.h station_cmd.cpp): 22:32:39 <CIA-1> -Fix 22:32:39 <CIA-1> Remove the unnecessary attribute RoadStop::used. The same information can be derived from RoadStop::xy 22:34:45 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x5735567f.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:57 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 22:35:32 <Darkvater> pom pom 22:35:52 <Darkvater> fucking fuck 22:35:58 <Darkvater> Error: This commit message does not conform to the commit message style. 22:35:58 <Darkvater> Error: You forgot the [<branch>]. 22:36:18 <Darkvater> I'm commit style your ass you retard script 22:36:45 <Eddi|zuHause> think of the children! 22:37:17 <Darkvater> it'd better not fail again 22:37:23 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r8213 /branches/0.5/ (38 files in 3 dirs): 22:37:23 <CIA-1> [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r7975, r7983, r7986, r7987, r8012, r8039, r8051, 22:37:23 <CIA-1> r8053, r8068, r8069, r8073, r8082, r8084, r8085, r8086, r8087, r8088, r8108, 22:37:23 <CIA-1> r8121, r8122, r8148, r8162, r8163, r8193, r8206): 22:37:23 <CIA-1> - Language file updates. 22:37:24 <CIA-1> - Untranslated strings: Polish (4), Icelandic (221!), Galician (144), Brazilian-Portugese (4). 22:37:26 <CIA-1> - Add Japanese, Norwegian bokmal/nynorsk, Slovenian as finished. 22:43:42 <setrodox> woah, long list of backports 22:44:03 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the damn translators' fault ;) 22:44:15 <Darkvater> it's MiHaMiX's fault :) 22:44:30 <Darkvater> if he kept to 1 WT2 commit per day I would only have needed to do 9 of these 22:44:45 <setrodox> oh 22:44:52 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r8214 /trunk/src/saveload.cpp: 22:44:52 <CIA-1> -Fix (r8038): The fast forward flag stores 2 bits, not 1. Remember the 22:44:52 <CIA-1> whole thing when turning off FF for autosave. This stops FF getting stuck on 22:44:52 <CIA-1> if the FF key is released during the save. 22:45:16 <peter1138> heh 22:45:23 <peter1138> and _fast_forward is a bool in 0.5 22:45:30 <peter1138> a bool that stores 2 bits o_O 22:46:10 <Darkvater> 0 and 1 :) 22:46:22 <Bjarni> back 22:46:22 <Rubidium> Darkvater: you've added norwegian_nynorsk.txt and norgewian-nynorsk.txt (same for bokmal) 22:46:38 *** Biff [~biff@30.80-203-176.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:46:48 <Bjarni> looks like nice timing 22:46:57 <Bjarni> a whole lot of backports just took place 22:47:07 <Bjarni> I smell that I need to compile something soon 22:47:24 <Darkvater> Rubidium: he 22:47:36 <Darkvater> Rubidium: well I needed to look over danish anyways 22:49:00 <Darkvater> Rubidium: but thanks 22:50:07 <Rubidium> Darkvater: seems that some language updates are missed (I'm not talking about MAX_TE and quit messages) 22:51:03 <Darkvater> they aren't, but were for RC3 22:53:24 <Darkvater> at least I think I didn't miss any this time 22:57:12 <peter1138> Bjarni: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=543119#543119 23:00:23 * peter1138 > sleepytime 23:01:47 <Bjarni> hmm 23:02:10 <Bjarni> I always thought it started to use normal vehicle slots when the first 1024 are full :s 23:02:50 <peter1138> nope 23:03:55 <peter1138> nini 23:05:02 <Bjarni> then I don't get how it could create desyncs 23:05:16 <Darkvater> gn peter1138 23:05:49 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-180-218.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:06:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: client 1&2 spawn special vehicle, both call random [so far everything ok], next client 2 with "high" setting spawns additional special vehicle, calls random, client 1 doesn't [desync] 23:12:48 <Rubidium> Darkvater: http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/0.5-missing-language-merges.diff <- that seems to be missed when backporting language changes 23:13:20 <Darkvater> eh 23:13:22 <Darkvater> too late ;o 23:13:26 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r8217 /branches/0.5/lang/ (10 files): 23:13:26 <CIA-1> [0.5] -Backport some mixed changes for WT2, remove wrong norwegian languages: 23:13:26 <CIA-1> - Untranslated strings: Polish (4), Icelandic (221!), Galician (144) 23:14:19 <Darkvater> Rubidium: my method was better :) 23:14:26 <Rubidium> hmm, now there's only one hunk in Danish 23:14:30 <Darkvater> Rubidium: copy over trunk/ strings and manually check 23:14:56 <Rubidium> Darkvater: diffing between branches/0.5/lang trunk/src/lang works too :) 23:15:13 <Darkvater> more typing :) 23:15:34 <Rubidium> Bjarni: can you see what changed in that danish hunk? http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/0.5-missing-language-merges.diff 23:15:49 <Rubidium> ah, I see, an i -> j 23:16:20 <Rubidium> Darkvater: you missed one hunk! 23:16:40 <Darkvater> meh 23:16:45 <Darkvater> it's almost invisible :) 23:16:56 <Darkvater> you missed some as well :) 23:17:24 <Eddi|zuHause> what are the odds that there is a hunk that you both missed? 23:19:08 <Bjarni> heh 23:19:30 <Bjarni> somebody made a spelling mistake 23:19:43 <Darkvater> so is it supposed to be 'i' or 'j'? 23:20:20 <Rubidium> j 23:21:14 <Darkvater> Bjarni: ? 23:21:34 <Bjarni> I just looked it up. It appears that both can be used, but it would likely be the most correct to use j 23:22:04 <Bjarni> I think the version with i is a bit outdated or something like that 23:25:44 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r8218 /trunk/src/spritecache.cpp: -Codechange: Increase spritecache size to 2MB. This will vastly improve performance when using (lots of) grf files. You can change it yourself easily with the SPRITE_CACHE_SIZE compile flag. (peter1138). 23:27:41 <Brianetta> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6270657.stm 23:30:16 <Bjarni> interesting 23:34:12 <Sacro> It estimates that the available programs represent the equivalent of 131,000 programmer years. 23:34:18 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:34:58 <Digitalfox> By increasing sprite cache will it consume more RAM and less CPU? 23:35:11 <Darkvater> yes 23:35:12 <Rubidium> yes 23:35:30 <Rubidium> instead of rereading the GRF, it uses the in-memory cache 23:35:49 <Darkvater> if the cache is full it needs to kick out one, read in and store it 23:37:49 <Bjarni> I think we can sacrifice an additional mb to the game if it means that we gain speed 23:38:10 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 23:38:10 <Bjarni> RAM is not that much of an issue anymore anyway 23:39:01 * Darkvater gets sloppy 23:39:20 <Bjarni> we know 23:39:27 <Bjarni> err 23:39:30 <Bjarni> gets? 23:39:36 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r8222 /branches/0.5/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 23:39:36 <CIA-1> [0.5] -Backport from trunk (lang, r8171, r8186, r8218): 23:39:36 <CIA-1> - last missed chunk of danish language changes (lang) 23:39:36 <CIA-1> - (FS#556) return SL_ERROR when unthreaded saves failed (r8171) 23:39:36 <CIA-1> - (FS#557) apply railtype offset to station graphics if no custom station is in use (r8186) 23:39:38 <CIA-1> - Increase spritecache size to 2MB (r8218). 23:39:40 <Bjarni> how can you change into something you already are? 23:43:22 <Darkvater> by magic 23:45:50 <Brianetta> There's a news bug 23:45:55 <Brianetta> flooding news 23:46:04 <Brianetta> if you open an old flood news 23:47:13 <Darkvater> ? 23:47:29 <caladan> if someone goes bankrupt, it floods area 23:47:30 <Brianetta> peter1138: Canal issue - when a player goes bankrupt, his canal turns to open sea if it's at sea level 23:47:34 <Brianetta> This leads to immediate flooding 23:47:47 <Darkvater> cool 23:47:52 <Digitalfox> The spritecache affects the sprites original in game and newgrf sprites or only newgrf sprites? 23:48:07 <Darkvater> it doesn't affect any sprites 23:48:11 <caladan> yep, we were just saving city, like in dejavu movie ;-) 23:48:19 <caladan> turn back time and do it again :D 23:48:22 <Brianetta> Darkvater: The news ("XXX missing, presumed drowned") can crash if pulled up as an older news article 23:48:53 <Darkvater> hmm 23:49:01 <caladan> true, it crashed once now... 23:49:07 <Darkvater> I presume that happens when the vehicle no longer is available? 23:49:13 <Brianetta> Not sure 23:49:19 <Brianetta> I didn't see a vehicle 23:49:24 <Darkvater> trunk or RC3? 23:49:27 <Brianetta> RC3 23:49:30 <Darkvater> ooh 23:49:33 * Darkvater fixed that 23:49:38 <Darkvater> don't scare me dammit 23:49:42 <Brianetta> OK, that's good 23:49:53 <Darkvater> I'm up to ^ with that fucking news code 23:49:56 <Digitalfox> Darkvater: Ok.. I'm going to try to understand this stuff "spritecache" by reading some manual :) 23:50:05 <caladan> and is fixed news when the industry is gone? 23:50:10 <Brianetta> Can we see this canal issue fixed? (: 23:50:16 <Brianetta> Blackmail 23:50:26 <Brianetta> "Keep my company solvent or this TIME BOMB goes off!" 23:50:29 <Darkvater> Digitalfox: it's simply a cache. it means that the sprite doesn't have to be read from file again every time it is used, but is stored in memory 23:50:56 <Brianetta> Nilo desynced 23:51:28 <Darkvater> Digitalfox: with a lot of GRF's used (newstations, a full set) the 1MB got full and it was 'thrasing'. Eg it needed to find a free slot, so removed an old cache-item, etc. 23:51:35 <Darkvater> with 2MB this is much more unlikely 23:51:38 <Brianetta> Darkvater: The assertion was: 23:51:38 <Brianetta> Error: !invalid string id 0 in GetString 23:51:43 <Brianetta> So yes, it was a vehicle 23:51:50 <Darkvater> yes, possible 23:51:59 <Darkvater> don't think industry-news is removed when industry is gone 23:52:45 <Digitalfox> Darkvater: Oh ok, thanks for explaining.. And will this change the perfomance of a game with no newgrf? 23:53:06 <Darkvater> most likely not, or not much, as 1MB is enough 23:53:49 * Bjarni wonders about RC4 23:54:02 * Sacro wonders about breasts 23:54:17 <Bjarni> (.)(.) 23:54:26 <Sacro> hehe... i broke presignals 23:54:33 <Bjarni> that should keep him occupied 23:54:59 <Sacro> i made it from a OR into a NOR 23:55:12 <Sacro> so trains can only enter the station if all platforms are full 23:55:29 <setrodox> heh :D 23:55:35 <Bjarni> not useful 23:55:44 <Bjarni> but we could do with an AND 23:55:55 <Bjarni> only enter block if all exit signals are green 23:56:02 <Sacro> its not useful no... unless you want a station to be cleared 23:56:16 <Bjarni> once in a while such a signal could be used 23:56:25 <Sacro> arent normal signals and? 23:56:53 <Frostregen> you should first agree what is true and false ;) 23:57:03 <Bjarni> I meant a presignal that's only green if all exit signals in the next block are green 23:57:40 <caladan> Darkvater: that news isnt removed, but sometimes you can just see like: "imminent closure" and no name for it.. 23:57:41 <Bjarni> green is true... or is occupied track true (something present)? 23:57:55 <Darkvater> caladan: I know it's not removed 23:58:29 <Bjarni> We need a new way to handle news flooding 23:58:39 <Bjarni> it can take ages for news to get though as it is now 23:59:59 <Brianetta> I always thought of red as 1 and green as 0