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00:00:02 <Darkvater> I'd wish blathijs would write the new pools *hint* :) 00:00:24 <Darkvater> these 'it's only temporary' comments are becoming not-so temporary 00:00:35 <Darkvater> Rubidium: hurray \o/ 00:01:03 <Rubidium> you could even remove the 'moving' bit, but you can't make it less than 9 00:01:48 <Darkvater> well I think it needs a rethink. 6 bits just for position is stupid. You could do the same with 3 bits when using a number and not a bitmask 00:01:58 <Darkvater> Belugas had something with that if I remember 00:02:12 <Darkvater> but it's pretty moot cause you only postpone an inevitable m7 00:02:16 <Rubidium> Darkvater: the actual position of the drawn lift is those 6 bits 00:03:21 <Darkvater> the problem why houses need so many map-bits is they're entirely stored in _m[]. Not like Stations, Industries that have the biggest stuff stored elsewhere in memory 00:03:41 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-161-134.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:04:44 <Rubidium> but most stations and industries take several tiles 00:05:51 <Belugas> Darkvater, i know that landscape.htl is not done yet, in newhouses. i'm quite buzy these days and what's more, the whole landscape is a mess to upgrade. i hope that my current cleanup process would help it a bit. 00:05:53 <Rubidium> and 65535 house indices is probably not enough 00:06:05 <Darkvater> that is not an excuse. Either all need the same information, or they need to point to the 'mother' tile which will be the biggest 00:06:22 <Belugas> and may i remind that bridges branch did not add ANY doc AT all about m6? 00:06:48 <Darkvater> Rubidium: I do not advocate making objects out of houses....there are too many of them ;p 00:07:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F170.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07:27 <Darkvater> Belugas: you may. Does it have doc now? If not, celestar should be flogged 00:07:37 <rahikkala> Is there a way to make two-way feeder services (i.e. running valuables for a bank between a truck station and a train station, with trains both picking up stuff and hauling it elsewhere, and hauling stuff in from elsewhere), or is that one of those features that depend on cargo packets? 00:08:51 <Darkvater> rahikkala: if the stuff you are talking about is valuables and some other cargo it should work 00:09:07 <Darkvater> if valuables&valuables then it still works, just your payment is screwed 00:09:26 <Belugas> both celestar and tron, by the way. I'ce started adding m6 a few rev ago, i have to finish it up bef0re the merge 00:09:50 *** Sacro|Laptop [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 00:09:50 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:10:00 <Darkvater> I am sure Tron would disagree with that but that's a different story :) 00:10:14 <Belugas> for the record, i've tried about 6 different versions of m7 addition until i decided it was time to clean up the whole file :D 00:10:18 <Belugas> well... 00:10:20 <Darkvater> it was Celestar who merged it (twice), so it's his responsibility 00:10:26 <Belugas> i agree 00:10:32 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-183-231.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:10:34 <Belugas> i told him, received cold silence 00:10:36 <Belugas> but... 00:10:38 <Darkvater> hehe 00:10:39 <Belugas> who cares.. 00:10:42 <Belugas> i'm doingf it 00:10:42 <Darkvater> Belugas: pm 00:10:51 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 00:14:54 *** XeryusTC [~irc@217.123.58.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:18:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8766 /trunk/src/yapf/yapf_costrail.hpp: -Fix[YAPF]: rail station platform penalty not calculated properly 00:19:58 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 00:21:10 <Darkvater> gn all 00:22:29 *** caladan [~caladan@161-be2-18.acn.waw.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:25:14 *** Sacro|Laptop [Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28:55 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 00:41:23 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-225-193.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:43:33 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x5735573d.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 00:51:17 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.227] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:54:21 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176116246.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 00:59:49 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Quit: HMage] 01:00:05 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 01:07:55 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip22.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 01:08:07 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:14 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 01:10:52 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip22.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 01:16:52 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 01:18:39 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7EE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 02:11:00 <Ailure> grah 02:11:29 <Ailure> second time this commuter airport bug happened 02:11:36 <Ailure> letsee if it's on the flyspray tracker 02:16:15 <Smoovious> what bug? 02:18:17 <Ailure> there 02:18:20 <Ailure> posted it to flysprayer 02:18:28 <Ailure> hopefully it's not a reduant bug, but I looked around a bit :/ 02:18:37 <Ailure> aircraft getting stuck in commuter airport 02:18:55 <Ailure> it's possible to unstuck them manually if you turn the troubling aircraft on and off 02:18:58 <Ailure> but you shouldn't have to do that. 02:20:01 <Ailure> happened in brianetta's server :P 02:20:06 <Ailure> standard server 02:20:08 <Ailure> but none else is around 02:20:09 <Ailure> xD 02:20:18 <Ailure> I probably should go to sleep anytime now 02:20:30 <Smoovious> yeah, I know that bug, but I only get it with zeppelins... on the intercontinental too... when they land right in front of the depot 02:20:31 <Ailure> the server will pause when the number of players goes down to zero 02:20:35 <Ailure> and won't unpause until it reaches 2 again 02:20:40 <Ailure> hmm 02:20:44 <Ailure> I gotten it with helicopters 02:20:48 <Ailure> although in this case 02:20:50 <Ailure> it's a zeppelin 02:20:58 <Ailure> but zeppelins are technically just helicopters 02:21:00 <Ailure> with a diffrent look 02:21:01 <Smoovious> never saw it with a heli 02:21:04 <Ailure> the game threats them as same 02:21:04 <Smoovious> only zepp 02:21:12 <Ailure> I swear I did 02:21:19 <Ailure> on mini-in even 02:21:25 <Ailure> but I didn't bother reporting back then 02:21:29 <Ailure> as I thought it was a mini-in issue 02:21:31 <Ailure> apparenly not <_< 02:22:04 <Smoovious> didyou observ if it only happened when they land right outside the depot? 02:22:34 <Ailure> thing is 02:22:39 <Ailure> I never see when it actually happens 02:22:43 <Ailure> I just find them stuck like that 02:22:55 <Ailure> but that might be a possible case yes 02:22:58 <Smoovious> I didn't for a while either, until I happened to see a zepp start down, and then I watched 02:23:23 <Ailure> I only added thoose zeppelins for looks 02:23:25 <Smoovious> I'm sure that is what it is happening when they get stuck... when they come down in front of the depot, instead of at the pad and moving from the pad to the depot 02:23:30 <Ailure> due to the lack of planespeed in openTTD 02:23:35 <Ailure> zeppelins aren't very profitable 02:24:23 <Smoovious> I try to set up a few airports, and have a set of every kind of craft that comes out, running the airports... just to have a variety of craft running 02:24:30 <Smoovious> I don't rely on them for my profit 02:26:14 <Ailure> I tend to have one aircraft type I like to depend on for most of my air lines 02:26:34 <Ailure> but then vary a little bit with helicopters and smaller planes for commuter airports 02:26:57 <Ailure> commuter airport is better than the big airport :) 02:27:04 <Ailure> apart from the fact that large aircraft crashes on it 02:28:10 <Ailure> I rarely use the helicopter hangar airport or helicopter station though 02:28:13 <Smoovious> I make sure to have all of the oilrigs serviced by 1 of each type of vtol aircraft 02:28:45 <Smoovious> and I encourage my players to do the same, just because it is the only place where our vehicles can intermingle, and I like to see that :D 02:29:11 <Smoovious> I make wide use of vtol-only stations 02:29:33 <Smoovious> in many games I run only vtol craft... and easily over a hundred of em 02:30:12 <Ailure> ah 02:30:13 <Ailure> reminds me 02:30:15 <Ailure> I forgot to do that 02:30:15 <Ailure> :P 02:30:27 <Ailure> I only do it with one oil rig that have somewhat good production though 02:30:39 <Ailure> soon reaching the aircraft limit 02:30:47 <Ailure> which I can't change, it's multiplayer :) 02:31:01 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B775A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:24 <Smoovious> well, since I always have ships set to 0 (until we get a better pathfinder for them), the vtol craft are the only business they'd get... 02:31:38 <Smoovious> unless a player wants to make like japan and build out onto the water 02:33:32 <Ailure> heh 02:33:34 <Ailure> there's boats 02:33:37 <Ailure> but they're limited to 20 02:33:57 <Ailure> thankfully we're using that boat newgRF 02:34:01 <Ailure> I forgot the name of 02:34:06 <Ailure> so the ships aren't teh suck at least 02:35:19 <Ailure> I admit though 02:35:24 <Ailure> if a server have a reachable vehicle limit 02:35:42 <Ailure> (and with reachable, I mean not over 300) 02:35:49 <Ailure> I tend to try reaching it 02:35:50 <Ailure> :P 02:36:42 <Ailure> *checks something with the aviator set* 02:37:05 *** scrooge [~balli@dsl-149-96-155.hive.is] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:37:09 <Ailure> heh the freight zeppelin should take more cargo D: 02:37:15 <Ailure> they're actually looking into doing that RL anyway 02:37:23 <Ailure> using zeppelins for transporting cargo over distance 02:37:29 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75DEE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:38:24 <Smoovious> yeah... there was a debate about that some time ago in here... I don't wish to relive it 02:40:10 <Ailure> hmm 02:40:20 <Ailure> then in openTTD 02:40:27 <Ailure> most airports have helicopter slots 02:40:36 <Ailure> so if most the airports are congested then maybe :P 02:42:19 <Ailure> hmm 02:42:42 <Ailure> then it's way more flexible cargo wise than the other aircrafts 03:19:58 <Ailure> ok 03:20:02 <Ailure> i'm replacing thoose zeppelins 03:20:09 <Ailure> they get stuck all the time on the biggest airport avaible 03:20:10 <Ailure> xD 03:20:41 <Ailure> vertol should work as a replacement 04:22:36 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 05:33:53 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:43:05 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:43:09 *** rahikkala [~ari@85-23-20-187-Korvensuora-TR1.suomi.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:43:35 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 05:43:38 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 05:47:04 *** rahikkala [~ari@85-23-20-187-Korvensuora-TR1.suomi.net] has joined #openttd 06:12:18 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 06:12:34 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 06:12:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 06:22:28 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 06:31:45 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [] 06:41:54 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-237-236.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:45:50 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489E640.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:49:57 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:17 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 06:50:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 06:50:39 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489F0DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:59:43 *** rahikkala [~ari@85-23-20-187-Korvensuora-TR1.suomi.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:03:17 *** rahikkala [~ari@85-23-20-187-Korvensuora-TR1.suomi.net] has joined #openttd 07:17:50 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-213.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 07:18:46 <Tron> <Belugas> and may i remind that bridges branch did not add ANY doc AT all about m6? <--- I just want to point out that this is not my fault 07:20:27 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:24:56 <Tron> <Belugas> both celestar and tron, by the way. <--- this is plain unfair. I had nothing to do with merging it. I wasn't even informed about it 07:45:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8767 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 07:45:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 07:45:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Do not hardcode the catchment radius of airports, but hold the information in AirportFTAClass 07:45:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (r979): The default AI tested possible airport locations with a fixed catchment radius instead of the radius of the to be built airport 08:02:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:02:31 <Wolf01> morning 08:07:37 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C430.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:21:15 <Wolf01> there is an easy way to fix savegame compatibility? i mean, i have my custom build with daylength, which is 45(trunk)-46(daylength), now in trunk the savegame version is increased to 46 (or 47), so without changes my savegames don't work 08:21:59 <Wolf01> if i increase the savegame version for daylength it doesn't work, but if i increase the savegame number for trunk additions it does work 08:22:12 <Wolf01> which is normal 08:22:35 <Wolf01> because in my custom build, trunk additions are added after the daylength 08:23:36 <Wolf01> what i want is "there's a way to keep daylength always after trunk without breaking compatibility?" 08:30:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> make the daylength patch version 2000 08:31:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> and a similar approach as in the miniin 08:31:18 <Smoovious> set daylength to real-time, so we really do have to take 100 years to finish a game 08:32:38 <Wolf01> ok, that should work, but how to fix old savegames? 08:35:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> the miniin system is capable of both maintaining trunk compatibility, as well as previous miniin compatibility beyond several savegame bumps 08:39:20 <Wolf01> yes i see 08:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> it is also possible you could abuse the minor savegame version for that, but i did not investigate it 08:50:02 <Wolf01> ok, for now all what i got is "the game freezes" 08:52:04 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 09:26:51 *** Sionide [sionide@217.147.86.20] has quit [Quit: Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.0.5] 09:27:05 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 09:27:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CD81.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:48:20 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:56:38 *** Sionide- [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 09:57:55 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.0.5] 09:58:19 <Ailure> http://ailure.acmlm.org/openTTD/Monorail%20%20cat%20transport,%2029%20sep%202016.png 09:58:20 <Ailure> xD 09:58:22 <Ailure> I realized 09:58:26 <Ailure> I keep taking screenshots of graphs 09:58:57 <Ailure> I try to earn more money than others in openTTD multiplayer 09:59:00 <Ailure> while playing fair :P 09:59:12 *** rahikkala [~ari@85-23-20-187-Korvensuora-TR1.suomi.net] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 09:59:19 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x573556fe.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:59:38 *** Sionide- is now known as Sionide 09:59:46 *** rahikkala [~ari@85.23.20.187] has joined #openttd 10:02:50 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:07:17 <Maedhros> we have an enum called CatchmentAera? hmm 10:21:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8768 /trunk/src/airport_gui.cpp: -Fix (r8767): VC8 compilation failed 'warning C4146: unary minus operator applied to unsigned type, result still unsigned' 10:27:43 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:30:49 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 10:32:40 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80DBF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:34:33 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82959.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:34:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:37:35 *** rahikkala [~ari@85.23.20.187] has left #openttd [zOMG!] 10:40:17 *** BurningFeetMan [~chatzilla@CPE-60-227-109-199.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]] 10:41:04 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:46:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:48:44 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82959.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:50:24 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8087B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:50:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:50:56 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 10:54:58 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:55:03 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-24.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 11:00:45 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-24.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 11:07:54 *** Borg- [~borg@cube.benet.uu3.net] has joined #openttd 11:08:04 <Borg-> howdy 11:08:31 <Borg-> is there a document describing YAPF penalties? I actualy dont understand those 3: 11:08:46 <KUDr> no 11:08:53 <Borg-> rail_look_ahead_signal_p0 = 500 11:08:54 <Borg-> rail_look_ahead_signal_p1 = -100 11:08:54 <Borg-> rail_look_ahead_signal_p2 = 5 11:09:00 <Borg-> what is p0 p1 p2 signal 11:09:04 <KUDr> you can understand them if you will understand A* 11:09:34 <KUDr> polynomial telling penalties for first N signals 11:09:44 <KUDr> it is load balancing 11:10:02 <KUDr> this one was explained on forums 11:10:04 <Borg-> so you can add p3 p4 p5 aswell? or I really should go read A* ? 11:10:07 <KUDr> use search 11:10:13 <Borg-> hmm lets try.. 11:10:13 <KUDr> no 11:10:44 <KUDr> penalty = p2 * n^2 + p1 * n + p0 11:10:59 <KUDr> !polynomial 11:11:01 *** HMage` [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 11:13:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8769 /branches/cpp_gui/ (77 files in 12 dirs): [cpp_gui] -Sync with trunk (r8730..r8768) 11:13:22 <Borg-> KUDr: sorry.. but I can find only one post that have "rail_look_ahead_signal_p0" open tt-forums. 11:14:45 <KUDr> hmm 11:14:54 <KUDr> there was long discussion... 11:15:05 <Borg-> yeah. there is.. for YAPF.. man many posts 11:15:13 <Borg-> but only one of them have that string 11:15:37 <Borg-> okey.. if you suggest that. im going to read A* first.. I really want to understand that thing =) 11:17:36 <KUDr> rail_look_ahead_max_signals 19 11:17:36 <KUDr> rail_look_ahead_signal_p0 160 11:17:36 <KUDr> rail_look_ahead_signal_p1 -46 11:17:36 <KUDr> rail_look_ahead_signal_p2 2 11:17:36 <KUDr> rail_slope_penalty 5000 11:17:44 <KUDr> taken from forums 11:17:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r8770 /trunk/src/depot_gui.cpp: -Fix r8661: corrected some aircraft sprite placement issues in the depot window 11:18:09 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:18:45 <KUDr> Borg-: do you understand A*? 11:20:25 <KUDr> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24703&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=194 11:24:20 <Borg-> not yet :> 11:24:20 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:24:20 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 11:24:20 <Borg-> KUDr: yeah.. thats the exacly one im reading.. seems this is more complex that I thought.. not a simple thing like slope or curve 11:24:20 <KUDr> Borg-: so why you are asking for penalties? 11:24:20 <Borg-> okey.. thx for hints.. Ill read A* first 11:33:33 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 11:34:06 *** scrooge [~balli@dsl-149-96-155.hive.is] has joined #openttd 11:35:51 <Smoovious> boekabart_ ping 11:35:52 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C430.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:14 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:39:12 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C430.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:39:52 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 11:43:11 <Maedhros> any comments on http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/newgrf_bridge_names.diff ? 11:43:27 <Maedhros> it adds support for newgrf bridge names 11:44:11 <Borg-> KUDr: p2 * n**2 + p1 * n + p0 ? 11:44:16 <Borg-> ** power 11:44:24 <KUDr> yes 11:44:27 <Borg-> oki 11:44:32 <Maedhros> unfortunately this doesn't extend to pikka's viaduct, because that uses global text replacement 11:45:53 <Borg-> KUDr: so.. p2 have his value when there is a signal or red signal? 11:46:04 <Borg-> (any p actualy) 11:47:07 <KUDr> red 11:47:17 <KUDr> otherwise it is not ysed 11:47:22 <KUDr> used 11:49:25 <Borg-> oki. thx :) 11:50:48 <Borg-> now im confused :> why did you put negative for p1.. 11:51:00 <Borg-> if its red.. its actualy makes penalty smaller 11:51:58 <Tron> Maedhros: what exactly is the point of the else case? 11:53:36 <Borg-> KUDr: n is the value tiles in path? 11:53:51 <Maedhros> umm, i don't know. consistency with all the rest of the code, mainly 11:54:14 <KUDr> n == number of signals seen so far 11:54:20 <Borg-> ah.. 11:54:24 <Maedhros> anyway, i seem to be interpreting the specs wrongly because a grf that works in openttd with that patch doesn't in ttdpatch :-( 11:55:03 <Borg-> let me RTFS that.. 11:55:11 <Tron> hm, it already seems rather inconsistent 11:55:57 <Tron> only the first four cases have this freestanding AddGRFString() 11:56:21 <Tron> and i'd really like to know what C9, D0 and DC do. Belugas? 11:57:17 <Maedhros> C9 is house name, D0 is "Miscellaneous graphics texts", and DC is "miscellaneous persistent GRF texts" 11:57:31 <Maedhros> C9 is definitely not supported (in trunk), so i can only assume the others aren't either 11:57:40 <Brianetta> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=554776#554776 11:57:44 <Tron> so this stuff basically goes nowhere? 11:57:45 <Brianetta> This guy is nuts (-: 11:58:20 <Maedhros> yes, it adds a grf text with no references to it at all... 11:58:46 <Tron> am i the only one who thinks this is ... strange? 11:58:57 <Maedhros> no, now i come to think of it 12:05:58 <Borg-> KUDr: have some time? ;) 12:06:38 <KUDr> not now (need 10 minutes to eat...) 12:06:40 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 12:07:29 <Borg-> hehe ok ;) let me know when you finish please 12:08:00 <Borg-> I just RTFS.. and I found that negative values are used only for green signals (cost -= look_ahead_cost) 12:08:05 <Borg-> this is complex :> 12:13:27 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:15:12 <KUDr> Borg-L back 12:15:46 <Borg-> KUDr: from what I see... R -> G -> R cost you more than R -> R -> R in default settings.. am I right? 12:15:46 <KUDr> Borg-: what is complex? 12:16:07 <KUDr> no 12:16:37 <Borg-> hmm.. explain me please why p1 is negative.. 12:16:43 <Borg-> int SignalCost(Node& n, TileIndex tile, Trackdir trackdir) <- is that correct function? 12:17:00 <KUDr> default setting doesn't generate negative values afaik 12:17:17 <KUDr> yes 12:17:22 <Borg-> rail_look_ahead_signal_p0 = 500 12:17:22 <Borg-> rail_look_ahead_signal_p1 = -100 12:17:22 <Borg-> rail_look_ahead_signal_p2 = 5 12:17:38 <Borg-> p1 is negative in my openttd.cfg (I upgraded from 0.4.8 12:18:00 <KUDr> p1 can be negative but polynomial not 12:18:16 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7727.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:19:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> 500x^2-100x+5 has roots 1/5 +- sqrt(1/25-1/100), so for no integer this can ever be negative 12:19:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> err... 1/10 and 1/100, not 1/5 and 1/25 12:19:47 <Borg-> Eddi|zuHause3: of course.. 12:20:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> the coefficent can be negative, only the result may not 12:20:47 <Borg-> but.. in simple scenero.. R--G--R will cost us 500 + 100 + 45 12:21:00 <Borg-> and R--R--R will cost us 500 + 0 + 45 12:21:18 <KUDr> no 12:21:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> where do those numbers come from? 12:21:24 <KUDr> totally wrong 12:21:42 <Borg-> okey.. pleas explain then what negative value does.. 12:21:55 <Borg-> from sources I see.. if signal is red and value >0 add to cost 12:21:59 <KUDr> which negative values? 12:22:04 <Borg-> but.. if signal is green and value <0 12:22:12 <KUDr> p1 or polynomial generated? 12:22:17 <Borg-> do cost -= value 12:22:18 <Borg-> p1 12:22:18 <KUDr> you are confused 12:22:23 <Borg-> I am :> 12:22:29 <KUDr> p1 is just coef 12:23:06 <Borg-> oh right.. 12:23:18 <KUDr> for any n (index of signal) p = p2 * n^2 + p1 * n^1 + p0 * n^0 12:23:31 <KUDr> and p is NEVER negative 12:23:49 <KUDr> so why are you asking for p1? 12:24:41 <KUDr> and negative values for green signals... 12:25:20 <KUDr> now you can see why those values are not documented and i will never try to document them 12:26:08 <Borg-> okey.. Ill try to do that then.. I have some time and I dig it more :> 12:26:08 <KUDr> it can only generate such questons 12:26:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> excuse me if i am underinformed, but why does the 3rd signal get higher penalty than the first? 12:27:12 <KUDr> Eddi|zuHause3: firs gets higher in fact (from other setting) this one is additional penalty only 12:27:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> ah, ok, but still seems reversed to me... 12:28:00 <KUDr> yes, it ca seem so 12:28:04 <KUDr> +n 12:28:22 <KUDr> lookahead is internal YAPF thing 12:28:45 <KUDr> and not subject to play with 12:29:06 <Borg-> ugh.. okey. I were in wrong function.. I found corrent one now 12:29:09 <KUDr> all is explained on forums 12:29:22 <Maedhros> DaleStan: ping 12:29:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> i am not going to mess with yapf, i just hope the default values are somewhat sensible 12:29:55 <Borg-> Eddi|zuHause3: and im going to mess with it.. but before I touch it.. I want to undersyand how it works :> 12:30:08 <KUDr> default values are product of long hours tests 12:30:23 <KUDr> nothing else 12:31:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> honestly, i have not played much with yapf on, since i am too focused on PBS ;) 12:33:09 <Borg-> KUDr: wuaha ;) you does quite complex math 12:33:23 <Borg-> pen[i] = p0 + i * (p1 + i * p2); <- it will go faster than 12:33:49 <Borg-> pen[i] = p0 + p1*i + i*i*p2 ? 12:33:58 <KUDr> :) yes 12:34:01 <Borg-> nice.. 12:34:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is horner scheme 12:34:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> that hardly counts as "complex" :p 12:34:22 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2SupCom 12:34:26 <Borg-> Eddi|zuHause3: im not talking about that. 12:34:30 <Borg-> im talking about optimization.. 12:34:39 <Borg-> he thinks what will go faster 12:34:46 <Borg-> thats nice in novadays 12:35:09 <KUDr> base YAPF goal was performance ;) 12:35:20 <KUDr> so don't blame me for that 12:35:28 <Borg-> hehe.. I dont.. im just sumprised 12:35:33 <Borg-> suprised even 12:35:35 <Sacro|Laptop> hey KUDr, newsignals seems to be moving slowly 12:35:53 <KUDr> Sacro: really? 12:36:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> but that could make it slower on processors that have a polynomial interpolation unit :p 12:36:22 <Sacro|Laptop> well, ive been digging around in the signalling code, though im pretty sure i have no idea how it works 12:37:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> (i am not sure if any of those exist :p) 12:38:12 <KUDr> Eddi|zuHause3: look at trunk/head 12:38:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> what woul i see there? 12:39:05 <KUDr> signalling 12:39:36 <KUDr> lot of code 12:39:44 <KUDr> so it exists probably 12:39:55 <KUDr> otherwise you can't use signals 12:40:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, i meant the polynomial thingie 12:40:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> on processor level 12:40:13 <KUDr> aha 12:40:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> and that was more of a joke 12:41:24 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176122202.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:41:42 <Sacro|Laptop> KUDr: i managed to break signals 12:41:45 <Sacro|Laptop> well... presignals 12:42:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> breaking is easy, the tricky part is to get to know how to put them back together during that process 12:42:54 <Sacro|Laptop> Eddi|zuHause3: yes 12:43:01 <Sacro|Laptop> i made them into NOR signals 12:43:16 <Sacro|Laptop> the signal only goes green if all exits are full... 12:43:37 *** kaarel [~kaarel@ip32.cab31.mus.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 12:43:55 <Borg-> KUDr: ugh :) now I think understand your code 12:44:01 <kaarel> hi, can anyone tell me where i could find the data files? i tried googling, but no luck.. 12:44:19 <Borg-> p is precalculated.. just signal counts (no mater if its red nor green).. 12:44:27 <Sacro|Laptop> kaarel: ebay 12:44:36 <Borg-> after that.. other functions checks what to do w/ that penalties 12:44:43 <kaarel> ? 12:44:48 <Wolf01> kaarel: tt-forums 12:45:04 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:07 <Sacro|Laptop> kaarel: transporttycoon.com/downloads 12:45:09 <Sacro|Laptop> i think 12:45:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r8771 /trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp: 12:45:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix r8343: build aircraft windows will no longer show aircraft that can't use the airport in question 12:45:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Now it's even better than ever because unless the no jetcrash cheat is enabled, the small airports will not show fast aircraft 12:45:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> i believe it is .net 12:46:05 <Sacro|Laptop> i dont like .Net, its crappy and is a huge download 12:46:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> err... Bjarni, sure that is desired behaviour? 12:46:44 <Borg-> KUDr: okey.. now im going to start bc (calculator) and do some calcs on my tracks :> 12:47:17 <Sacro|Laptop> Borg-: you dont need bc when you have !calc 12:47:17 <KUDr> ok, so i can return to my tasks i guess 12:47:30 <Sacro|Laptop> !calc 2+2 12:47:32 <_42_> Sacro|Laptop: 4; 12:47:33 <Sacro|Laptop> :D 12:47:47 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:56 <Borg-> Sacro|Laptop: I need.. in BC you can create macros.. and I will do a lot of calc for my tracks ;) 12:48:14 <Sacro|Laptop> ahh 12:48:24 <Sacro|Laptop> !calc 0^0 12:48:25 <_42_> Sacro|Laptop: 1; 12:48:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> i like the maplebot better ;) 12:48:29 <Wolf01> sacro, don't waste your time coding another signal patch, help with the programmable signals instead :D 12:48:30 <Sacro|Laptop> :o lies 12:48:44 <kaarel> got the files, thanks 12:48:49 <Sacro|Laptop> Wolf01: i want KUDr's LUA patch 12:49:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> *waves hand* you have not got these files from us, move along 12:50:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r8772 /trunk/projects/generate: -Fix: forgot to update 'generate' file while updating 'configure' in the last 3 changes in 'configure' 12:52:14 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B84B48.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:53:05 *** kaarel [~kaarel@ip32.cab31.mus.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: kaarel] 12:58:51 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:59:22 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8087B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:01:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8773 /branches/cpp_gui/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [cpp_gui] -Sync with trunk (r8768..r8772) - needed r8772 13:04:19 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:06:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8774 /branches/cpp_gui/ (7 files in 4 dirs): [cpp_gui] -Codechange: CountedObject renamed to SimpleCountedObject and moved to countedptr.hpp and countedobj.cpp 13:08:47 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.inquisition21.com] 13:08:48 <lolman> Oh Noes 13:08:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8775 /branches/cpp_gui/src/misc/countedobj.cpp: [cpp_gui] -Fix(r8774): forgotten /* Id: */ in the added file 13:11:15 <Sacro|Laptop> oh noes 13:11:51 <lolman> Sacro|Laptop, you running Arch on that laptop too? 13:11:57 <Borg-> KUDr: it can be negative ;> 13:11:58 <Borg-> p[2]=-80 13:11:58 <Borg-> p[3]=-355 13:12:06 <Borg-> depends on values you use (p0, p1, p2) 13:12:07 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: course 13:12:36 <lolman> I really need to think about running a less bloated distro 13:13:07 <KUDr> Borg-: of course (but not with default setting) 13:13:31 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: arch is one of the least bloated 13:13:55 <lolman> Sacro|Laptop, it's an arse of a job getting it working for someone like me :P 13:14:03 <Borg-> KUDr: YAPF 0wnz :> now Im fixing all my tracks (from old SaveGame) and start to check things out around.. load banancing thingie can be very cool 13:14:09 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: can you use nano? 13:14:29 <lolman> Sacro|Laptop, yes, but I don't know what all the options in the config files mean 13:14:31 <Sacro|Laptop> oh, and (c)fdisk 13:14:40 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: you dont _need_ to know 13:14:46 <Sacro|Laptop> all the ones you need to change are easy 13:14:51 <Sacro|Laptop> keymap=uk 13:14:52 <Sacro|Laptop> err 13:14:58 <Sacro|Laptop> timezone=Europe/London 13:15:01 <Sacro|Laptop> and thats about it 13:15:14 <Sacro|Laptop> oh and LOCALE = en_GB.utf8 13:15:28 <Sacro|Laptop> and then setting up your fstab, which isnt that hard 13:15:48 <lolman> What if I need to use LVM? 13:16:40 <Sacro|Laptop> errr 13:16:45 <Sacro|Laptop> that'll be in the wiki i assume 13:16:48 <Sacro|Laptop> you use LVM? 13:16:55 <lolman> Yeah 13:17:08 <Sacro|Laptop> hmm 13:17:28 * Sacro|Laptop goes to look 13:17:32 <lolman> Oh and where do I get the latest FTP ISO? 13:17:38 <Sacro|Laptop> errr... 13:17:44 <Sacro|Laptop> i go in #archlinux and type !iso 13:18:27 <Sacro|Laptop> 0.8 should be released soon actually, kernel 2.6.20 is now in current 13:19:27 <lolman> Downloading the ISO now 13:19:32 <lolman> brb while I grab a cd 13:19:51 <Sacro|Laptop> heh 13:19:54 <Sacro|Laptop> all 12MB of it 13:24:43 <Sacro|Laptop> brb 13:24:45 <lolman> Nearly 20 now :P 13:24:52 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:02 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 13:26:06 <lolman> wb 13:26:12 <Sacro|Laptop> woot 13:26:17 <Sacro|Laptop> my crappy laptop runs beryl 13:26:33 <lolman> Haha 13:26:44 <lolman> brb myself, swapping box 13:26:52 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:26:57 *** lolman_ [~admin@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 13:27:40 <lolman_> There, CD in drive, rebooting box 13:27:45 *** lolman_ is now known as lolman 13:27:46 <Sacro|Laptop> oooh wobbly windows 13:27:53 <lolman> Haha 13:28:47 <Sacro|Laptop> yay, i got proper terminal transparencies back 13:28:54 <lolman> wobbly windoes just distract me 13:28:57 <lolman> windows* 13:29:14 <Borg-> KUDr: you were right :> seems your values are best 13:29:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r8776 /trunk/config.lib: [MorhpOS] -Fix: LDFLAGS needs -noixemul too 13:29:49 <Borg-> KUDr: but I guess it would be nice to write sth on wiki and dup p[] array for 10 semaphores.. so ppl would not came and ask :> 13:30:32 <KUDr> Borg-: ok, then do it please if you know how to describe it 13:31:47 <KUDr> and leave there contact to you so people will not as me when they will not understand. 13:31:47 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:31:59 <KUDr> +k 13:33:48 <Borg-> hehe ;) ok 13:34:21 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 13:34:37 <lolman> Packages downloading now, Sacro|Laptop 13:35:22 *** HMage` [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Quit: HMage`] 13:35:24 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: nice 13:35:29 <Sacro|Laptop> hmm how strange 13:36:11 <lolman> Just doing a base install, like last time 13:36:25 <Sacro|Laptop> yeah, best idea 13:36:40 <Sacro|Laptop> wow, beryl on gma 950 13:37:02 * lolman drops jaw at belnet's speed 13:37:37 <Sacro|Laptop> wow, snow kills it 13:37:39 <Sacro|Laptop> what speed? 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13:43:21 * Sacro|Laptop runs df 13:43:26 <lolman> 7.5GB 13:43:40 <Sacro|Laptop> hmm 13:43:45 <Sacro|Laptop> this has 10 for linux 13:43:47 <Sacro|Laptop> 10 for OSX 13:43:53 <Sacro|Laptop> and 70 for XP 13:44:27 <lolman> This is 7.5GB, and that's it 13:44:28 <Sacro|Laptop> grrr 13:44:34 <lolman> No other OSes 13:44:55 <Sacro|Laptop> maybe go xfce then 13:45:03 <lolman> That's what I'm thinking 13:45:19 <lolman> Beryl still works with it, so it's an option :D 13:47:01 <Sacro|Laptop> lol 13:47:16 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:47:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:47:25 <lolman> Remind me to disable XFCE's composition before I install beryl 13:49:18 <lolman> Oh, that's something...is nvidia's binary driver in the standard repos? 13:50:11 <Sacro|Laptop> this is weird 13:50:16 <Sacro|Laptop> errr... 13:50:20 <Sacro|Laptop> dunno 13:50:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r8777 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: 13:50:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: FS#596 Cloning Maglev in UKRS forgets Mail refit 13:50:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Cloning were unaware that articulated locomotives could refit without refitting the front unit 13:50:55 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-227-113.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 13:51:04 * Eddi|zuHause3 makes another mark on the was/were list 13:51:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> who wants to bet that he does that on purpose? :p 13:53:00 <Sacro|Laptop> oh crud 13:54:13 <Sacro|Laptop> its liek that episode of tng where whenever they walk off the side of the bridge, they end up back on the same one 13:54:26 <lolman> This downloads's just stopped...bugger 13:54:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> wget -c ? 13:54:42 <Sacro|Laptop> why does beryl run super fast when the benchmark is open 13:54:50 <Sacro|Laptop> Eddi|zuHause3: thats automatic 13:55:32 <lolman> Right, starting where it left off 13:57:12 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-237-236.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 13:58:41 <Sacro|Laptop> lol 14:05:05 * lolman prays this works 14:05:47 <Sacro|Laptop> what? 14:05:57 <lolman> Just finished the install 14:06:05 <Sacro|Laptop> ahh 14:06:09 <Sacro|Laptop> now to edit rc.conf 14:06:40 <lolman> Done, rebooting :P 14:07:58 <lolman> w00t 14:10:52 <lolman> Hmm, no dns 14:11:19 <Sacro|Laptop> heh 14:11:23 <Sacro|Laptop> did you add one? 14:11:24 <lolman> No network 14:11:25 <lolman> lol 14:11:37 <lolman> ifconfig's showing as eth0 having a valid IP 14:11:45 <Sacro|Laptop> route 14:12:10 <Sacro|Laptop> hmm, beryl is broked 14:12:39 <lolman> Right, networking should be sorted now 14:12:54 <Sacro|Laptop> cool 14:13:56 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 14:15:24 <lolman> Rather stupidly forgot to make the network get its IP from dhcp 14:16:01 <Sacro|Laptop> was gonna say 14:16:04 <Sacro|Laptop> eth0="dhcp" 14:16:14 <lolman> Yeah, realised that 14:16:39 <lolman> Now, xorg 14:16:50 <lolman> Installing :) 14:16:55 <Sacro|Laptop> pacman -S xorg :p 14:17:03 <Sacro|Laptop> you might want hwd too 14:17:13 <lolman> hwd? 14:17:19 <Sacro|Laptop> yeah 14:17:25 <Sacro|Laptop> can autogenerate your xorg.conf 14:17:41 <lolman> Ah right, I can mess about with xorg.conf meself :P 14:19:19 <lolman> I wouldn't have expected xorg7.2 to be in current yet :P 14:19:41 <Sacro|Laptop> is it? 14:20:20 <lolman> Don't think so 14:20:37 *** blindwaves [~woogleman@cm136.sigma117.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]] 14:23:39 <Ailure> shit 14:23:48 <Ailure> progrmamin code and raiwalys tracks is mixing in my head 14:23:56 <Ailure> in a ascii presentation 14:24:07 <Ailure> I knew I sholdn't stay up for 36 hours playing openTTD, nethack and do programming 14:26:50 <Sacro|Laptop> 700KB/sec :D 14:27:16 *** Arkus [~danielark@82.152.149.14] has joined #openttd 14:27:27 <Sacro|Laptop> mc 14:30:26 <lolman> XFCE installing now :) 14:31:22 <Sacro|Laptop> Forbid 90deg turns still says requires NPF 14:31:32 <Sacro|Laptop> should that not be NPF/YAPF 14:31:42 <KUDr> yes 14:33:28 <Sacro|Laptop> its wrong in 0.5.0 14:41:57 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 14:42:18 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 14:44:43 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7A11F.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:50:44 <lolman> Yay, Xfce works 14:53:48 <Sacro|Laptop> lol 14:54:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8778 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: 14:54:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 14:54:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Allow goto station orders to public stations in general, not just oilrigs (though this is the same till now) 14:58:31 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-41-24.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 15:03:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8779 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: 15:03:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 15:03:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Use a more generic test, which tests the allowed aircraft instead of hardcoding the airport type numbers, to generate station names 15:11:28 <lolman> Hmm 15:13:51 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7A11F.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:24 <Zavior> Humm 15:15:33 <Zavior> Do newstations come with .5.0? 15:15:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes 15:15:57 <Zavior> Purrrefct 15:16:12 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 15:16:45 <Zavior> What about any trainset? 15:17:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> most trainsets already work with 0.4.8 15:17:46 <Zavior> I know 15:17:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r8780 /trunk/src/station.h: -Fix: Spelling of CatchmentArea incorrect. 15:17:57 <Zavior> But is there anything included in 0.5.0? 15:18:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> no newgrfs are included beyond the absolutely necessary 15:18:31 <Zavior> Rigth 15:19:02 <Rubidium> i.e. no newgrfs at all are included 15:19:32 *** Arkus [~danielark@82.152.149.14] has quit [] 15:23:20 <Darkvater> Bjarni: do you want another flame? 15:24:08 <Bjarni> if you want to flame me for not making cloning aware of articulated engines even though cloning is older than articulated engine support, then go ahead 15:24:42 <Darkvater> Bjarni: r8771. Firstly: do NOT mix features with fixes. Secondly: what made you think that with the crash-cheat?? cheat you can build supersonic planes on a small airport 15:25:43 <Bjarni> bug: it was allowing all aircraft in all hangars 15:25:56 <Bjarni> fix: only aircraft that can use the airport can be build 15:26:12 <Bjarni> s/can be build/will show up in the buildlist 15:26:13 <Darkvater> _read_ 15:26:25 <Darkvater> you did a FIX and a FEATURE (pretty ill conceived) in a single commit 15:28:13 <Bjarni> I say that it a fix 15:28:28 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: tsck tsck tsck 15:29:30 <Darkvater> Bjarni: and if that's not bad enough r8771 is even *broken* as you are not able to build fast-airplanes on aircraft-only airports (hypothetically) as their subtypes differ 15:29:47 <Darkvater> Bjarni: I don't know how much longer you want to torture us with this crap 15:29:59 <izhirahider> When I have a train with several cargo types, and make the train Full Load at a station, it only full loads the first type of cargo that appears in the wagon list. How can I change this? 15:30:05 <Sacro|Laptop> !calc f/2 15:30:07 <_42_> Sacro|Laptop: 0; 15:30:12 <Sacro|Laptop> no, its not 15:30:26 <Sacro|Laptop> !calc 255/2 15:30:27 <_42_> Sacro|Laptop: 127.5000000000; 15:31:36 <Darkvater> Bjarni: why allowing more planes to be built with a cheat enabled that has nothing to do with builds, only with crash-frequency is really beyond me 15:32:17 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x573556fe.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 15:33:21 * Eddi|zuHause3 wants to give to protocol that he objected to that commit 15:33:28 * lolman kicks Beryl 15:33:28 <Darkvater> duly noted 15:34:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8781 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: 15:34:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 15:34:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: A spectator cannot build stations, so do not include a special case for him 15:36:58 <Maedhros> izhirahider: you can turn that off with a patch setting (in the stations tab) 15:37:42 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C430.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:37:45 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: and if that's not bad enough r8771 is even *broken* as you are not able to build fast-airplanes on aircraft-only airports (hypothetically) as their subtypes differ <-- so why isn't such a fact mentioned with the subtypes in aircraft.h? 15:38:03 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C430.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:38:16 <Bjarni> the enum contain heli, aircraft, shadow and rotor 15:39:03 <Darkvater> Bjarni: it is, you are just blind 15:39:11 <Darkvater> AircraftVehicleInfo subtypes, bitmask type. 15:39:12 <Darkvater> engine.h 15:39:58 <ln-_> Bjarni is the root of all evil. 15:40:00 <Darkvater> and no v->subtype uses the enums you used there 15:40:04 <Bjarni> nice 15:40:07 <Darkvater> avi->subtype the ones in aircraftsubtypes 15:40:20 <Bjarni> inconsistency in documentation of engine.h and aircraft.h 15:40:34 <Darkvater> there is no inconsistency 15:40:53 <Bjarni> fast is not mentioned in aircraft.h, yet it handles the plane subtypes 15:41:09 <Darkvater> there is 1. v->subtype AND 2. avi->subtype 15:41:13 <Darkvater> ok? 15:43:25 <Bjarni> we should unify this subtype thing, so we can make sure that we can't use the wrong one. It makes no sense to have subtypes for both, yet different flags and potential different meanings 15:43:49 <izhirahider> Maedhros, thanks 15:45:12 <Darkvater> Bjarni: look at train.h/engines.h TrainSubtypes and RailVehicleTypes 15:45:30 <Darkvater> you are just lucky RailVehiceInfo does not have a member called subtype, but it's called railveh_type 15:45:55 <Darkvater> either way r8771 is wrong in at least 3 instances 15:46:08 <Darkvater> 10 lines of code 3 fundamental error 15:46:09 <Darkvater> s 15:46:14 <Darkvater> hurray? 15:48:57 <Bjarni> hmm 15:49:07 <Bjarni> do we even have any plane only airports? 15:49:28 <Darkvater> " on aircraft-only airports (hypothetically) " 15:49:37 <Bjarni> right 15:49:48 <Bjarni> can't blame me for lack of test on that one 15:50:18 <Darkvater> eh...right *sigh* 15:51:37 <Bjarni> I still consider the issue about removing the fast aircraft from small airports a design discussion. I say it makes no sense to build them at a place where they can't operate without crashing all the time 15:52:45 <Darkvater> I don't care about that. It's a design decision yes, not something to be chunked in with a terribly flawed "fix" 15:55:16 <Bjarni> until you objected, I considered it a fix because it would be wrong to build say a concorde in an airport even without a runway with pavement 15:56:05 <Bjarni> generally all jet engines suck so much in front of the aircraft that they will pick up rocks and dirt and potentially break the engines 15:56:27 <Bjarni> so in real life, it could never happen 15:57:57 <Darkvater> so behaviour before: you cannot build supersonic planes at all, behaviour after: you can build them 15:58:03 <Darkvater> and that's a fix?? 15:58:18 <Darkvater> you just said 2 lines above you want the before behaviour 15:59:16 <Bjarni> the before behaviour was that all planes in all hangars, regardless of the airport type 15:59:37 <Bjarni> now fast aircraft are disabled unless the airport has long runways or the player cheats 15:59:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8782 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: 15:59:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 15:59:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Adapt GetClosestStationFromTile() more to the way it is used: 15:59:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - All but deleted stations get filtered later, so do not include non-deleted station in the first place 15:59:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Remove the two parameters, which are the same for all callers 16:07:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r8783 /trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix r8771: aircraft vehicle subtype and aircraft engine subtype aren't the same (even though they both tell if it's a plane or helicopter) 16:07:51 <DaleStan> Maedhros: pong 16:09:17 <Maedhros> DaleStan: hi. i was wondering about action 4 in ttdpatch 16:09:33 <Maedhros> are any features valid except 0-3 and 48? 16:09:54 <Maedhros> the wiki suggests they are, but this line has no effect at all: 16:09:57 <Maedhros> 79 * 20 04 06 1F 01 00 "Viaduct, Brick" 00 16:11:15 <Darkvater> Bjarni: planes can land there, therefore they can go to the depot therefore they can be autoreplaced/autorenewed. Case is closed as far as I am concerned with this marked as a 'fix' 16:11:42 <DaleStan> Maedhros: That is supposedly a text for bridges, but I thought those required word-sized IDs. 16:12:44 <Maedhros> yeah, it's for bridges, but i thought it was only supposed to be word-sized when changing generic text, i.e. bit 7 of language_id is set 16:13:10 <Borg-> KUDr: If edited Wiki YAPF.. Sorry for bad english and I have hope that I understand that correctly: 16:13:20 <Borg-> KUDr: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Yet_Another_Pathfinder <- so you can inspect my work 16:13:29 <Borg-> s/If/I/ 16:13:54 <DaleStan> Actually, bridges don't have a name property, so they probably work the way vehicles do; that line sets the name for the first bridge type. 16:15:57 <KUDr> Borg-: looks good, thanks 16:16:37 <Maedhros> DaleStan: i can't see Viaduct, Brick appearing in the bridge selection window at all :-/ 16:18:29 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19:29 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:36 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:24:13 <izhirahider> There's something wrong with the regular cinema sprite ? It doesn't go properly transparent, and when I hover it, it doesn't seem 3D like the others, anyone noticed that too? 16:25:31 <DaleStan> Hm... Are you sure you have the latest version, Maedhros? The copy I just downloaded says 79 * 21 04 48 9F 01 12 50 "Viaduct, Brick" 00 16:26:48 <DaleStan> Though a feature byte of 06 would probably be more correct. 16:26:53 <Maedhros> DaleStan: sorry, i should have been more clear - those are local modifications in an attempt to get the name to work in openttd as well 16:28:20 <Maedhros> i was trying it this way as supporting global text replacement will be a lot harder than adding support for feature 06 16:30:05 <DaleStan> Well, proper 1/2/3 support for bridges has been on the todo forever, and a proper action 4 will probably come with it. But the more likely result would be the addition of a name (DCxx TextID) property. 16:30:48 <DaleStan> Bridge names only use six text IDs: 500E..5014; I'm not sure if that makes it any easier. (http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=TextIDs#5000_Tunnel_and_bridge_strings) 16:31:07 <DaleStan> *seven 16:31:31 <Maedhros> yeah, i could make it a special case, but i'd really prefer not to 16:31:38 <Maedhros> oh well, thanks for your help DaleStan :) 16:32:35 <DaleStan> I think there may already be some special cases (for, eg "Electrified Rail") 16:37:26 <Maedhros> well, there's currently no support for global text replacements at all, but there will need to be some translation between the positions in ttd(patch) and openttd 16:37:59 <ln-_> dfbkkkkkkkkafjböandfj aåäei4o rht2308rus3333§1233333få0cbnoäsidöbh adfiögaiböaökvbj äAUHUÄAWOFU GBVökhöbkja 16:39:12 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3DCA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:45 <Darkvater> ? when did I paste that? 16:41:22 <ln-_> unexpected trouble: i don't know how to build and run the game so that it would start. complains about no available language packs. 16:42:02 <Darkvater> build langs first 16:42:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Darkvater * r8784 /trunk/src/fios.cpp: -Regression (r7274 most likely): Unable to load TTDP (on *NIX) games because the static buffer used for name conversion is overwritten in the callback function. 16:42:43 <Darkvater> is CIA broken or my client 16:42:47 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 8784 16:42:49 <_42_> Commit by Darkvater :: r8784 /trunk/src/fios.cpp (2007-02-17 16:41:56 UTC) 16:42:51 <_42_> -Regression (r7274 most likely): Unable to load TTDP (on *NIX) games because the static buffer used for name conversion is overwritten in the callback function. 16:42:58 <Darkvater> cia 16:43:02 <ln-_> how do i build langs first? 16:43:08 <Darkvater> what are you using? 16:43:18 <ln-_> mac os x. 16:43:25 <Darkvater> 'make'? 16:43:35 <ln-_> nothing to be done for `all'. 16:43:41 * Maedhros doesn't notice any difference between _42_'s commit message and cia's... 16:43:51 <ln-_> make run -> No available language packs 16:43:58 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3EFF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:01 <Darkvater> ah he 16:44:14 <Darkvater> Maedhros: ln's paste of something strange screwed up my terminal 16:44:38 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 16:44:39 <Maedhros> aha 16:46:19 <Darkvater> bah why doesn't refactor work for C++ in MSVC? 16:46:30 <Darkvater> crappy MS only focusing on .NET and C# 16:46:40 <KUDr> yes 16:46:51 <KUDr> they have it 16:47:01 <Darkvater> for C? 16:47:06 <KUDr> but not for sale 16:47:09 <ln-_> would be too helpful if the error message said where it was trying to look for the langs. 16:47:09 <KUDr> yes 16:47:39 <Darkvater> KUDr: they do? if it's not for sale than for all general purposes it doesn't exist 16:47:46 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 16:48:23 <KUDr> Darkvater: they use it internally only as it was developed by some 3rd party for them 16:48:56 <KUDr> become MS emplyee and you can have it 16:48:58 <Darkvater> don't suppose I could get my hands on this ;p 16:49:41 <Darkvater> gaaah, I don't get intellisense autocomplete on std:: stuff 16:49:46 <Darkvater> KUDr: does it work for you? 16:49:55 <KUDr> yes 16:50:07 <KUDr> but i use VA X 16:50:15 <KUDr> i dunno if it worked before 16:50:41 <Darkvater> it works for a new project 16:51:02 <KUDr> then it is corrupted cache 16:51:06 * Darkvater tries visual assist x 16:51:15 <Darkvater> yeah, already deleting the files 16:51:15 <KUDr> exit, delete .ncb, start again 16:51:18 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 16:51:30 <lolman> oh noes 16:51:52 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [] 16:51:57 <lolman> Lies 16:52:03 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 16:52:08 <lolman> Haha 16:52:56 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:25 *** glx is now known as glx|away 16:53:37 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 16:53:44 *** lolman [~admin@81.100.228.56] has quit [] 16:54:13 *** lolman [~lolman@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 16:54:39 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:42 *** Rens2SupCom is now known as Rens2Sea 16:54:56 <Darkvater> yep, that helped 16:55:13 *** lolman [~lolman@81.100.228.56] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:04 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 16:56:13 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [] 16:56:59 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 16:57:46 *** john [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 16:58:09 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:25 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 17:01:04 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:03:57 <Darkvater> KUDr: downloaded VAX, let's see what it offers :) 17:04:11 <Tron> "Nothing sucks like a VAX" 17:05:23 <Darkvater> :O the colours 17:05:25 <Darkvater> pinnk 17:07:36 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Eat 17:08:53 <Roel> hmm, any mac developers here? Openttd should exit fullscreen mode before (or after) sleep.. Because it interferes with the 'unlock' password.. 17:09:25 *** c-`in-the-sky [geroge@88.118.72.7] has joined #openttd 17:10:08 <c-`in-the-sky> do someone want to play openttd over the internet? 17:10:31 <c-`in-the-sky> we are looking for people..;-) 17:10:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r8785 /trunk/src/airport_movement.h: -Fix: Entry point for commuter airport incorrect. 17:12:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r8786 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Cleanup: replaced a switch-case to get the right refit command for a certain vehicle type. We have a function to do that 17:12:49 <Maedhros> hmm, action b is pretty incomplete 17:14:29 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:48 <Naksu> Roel: i believe at least one dev here has a mac 17:15:03 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:15:13 <Darkvater> Roel: ask Bjarni 17:15:26 <Darkvater> if I am correct egladil also has a mac 17:15:53 <Roel> Bjarni, Openttd should exit fullscreen mode before (or after) sleep.. Because it interferes with the 'unlock' password.. 17:16:01 <Roel> (and otherwise i'll file a bug..:)) 17:16:10 <Naksu> Roel: you should file a bug :) 17:17:21 *** john [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:12 *** john [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 17:20:49 <Bjarni> ohh sleep 17:21:34 <Bjarni> I never allow my computer to go to sleep while playing... it should work though 17:22:11 <Bjarni> and now that you mention it, it's very likely that it could block the keyboard and screen from other apps/the OS, so stuff like typing your password would be tricky 17:22:19 <Bjarni> post a bug report 17:22:25 *** c-`in-the-sky [geroge@88.118.72.7] has left #openttd [Leaving] 17:23:07 <Bjarni> and disable sleep while playing until we have a solution. There aren't any easy fixes for this :( 17:24:03 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:09 <ln-_> Bjarni: except blackis's patch? 17:27:06 <ln-_> it allows you to apple-tab to other apps while in fullscreen, so it's more likely not to interfere with stuff. 17:28:20 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B84B48.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:34 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2AEC8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 17:28:40 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 17:28:47 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-24.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:29:04 <john> Oh Noes 17:29:10 *** john is now known as lolman 17:29:21 <Sacro> oh that was you 17:29:46 <lolman> Yeah, forgot to change names 17:30:07 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B833F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:30:25 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2AEC8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:30:36 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-232-180.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:30:41 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-232-180.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 17:30:52 <Digitalfox_> We have a new dev?? richk?? 17:31:09 <Sacro> Digitalfox_: RichK aint new 17:31:36 <Digitalfox_> Sacro: Really?? Never saw him... 17:31:46 <Digitalfox_> my mistake :) 17:32:01 <Wolf01|AWAY> there's somebody who want to help me optimizing the daylength patch? 17:32:04 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 17:32:44 <Sacro> Digitalfox_: he ran MiniIN 17:33:36 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-41-24.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 17:33:47 <Sacro> fine, sod you :p 17:33:54 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-24.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 17:34:01 * Sacro hides 17:35:10 * Digitalfox reads the irc log 17:35:30 <Digitalfox> Sacro: ... hum .. Ok thanks ;) 17:35:38 <Sacro> it was lolman 17:35:40 <Sacro> honest 17:35:54 <lolman> lol brb 17:35:55 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:57 <Digitalfox> Sacro: "19:33:47 < Sacro> fine, sod you :p" 17:36:12 <Sacro> damn... 17:36:22 <Digitalfox> I catch you lol 17:37:37 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:37:42 <Digitalfox> Anyway i now with your tip about RichK know who he is, but still i didn't know he had acess to trunk :) 17:38:11 <Digitalfox> Since in Wiki and other places there is no words about it :) 17:39:03 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 17:39:10 <Sacro> he has trunk access, he just doesnt use it 17:43:49 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7727.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:44 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2AEC8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:47:02 <Bjarni> <ln-_> Bjarni: except blackis's patch? <-- it's still dead slow and hardcoded for big endian 17:47:27 <Sacro> wooyay, kill the mac users 17:48:01 <Bjarni> but yes, we need something like that, but not this particular patch. We need something that will not be a slowdown :) 17:48:43 <Bjarni> <Digitalfox> Anyway i now with your tip about RichK know who he is, but still i didn't know he had acess to trunk :) <-- he have had that for a long time. He committed to the miniIN for ages 17:50:03 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [psedo mac user killed] 17:50:11 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 17:50:17 <Sacro> s/have/has/ 17:50:26 <Sacro> and s/psedo/pseudo/ 17:50:43 <Bjarni> you are a funny one 17:50:54 <Sacro> indeed i am 17:51:56 <lolman> Yay Beryl works 17:52:12 <lolman> No sign of the settings manager though...damn 17:52:26 <Sacro> did you load beryl-manager? 17:52:35 <lolman> Yeah 17:52:46 <Sacro> should be in the systray 17:52:47 <lolman> "unsupported locale setting" <wtf 17:52:49 <Sacro> hehe 17:53:05 <Sacro> you need to uncomment the en_GB.uft8 line in /etc/locales.conf 17:53:08 <Sacro> and run locale-gen 17:53:11 <Bjarni> UK is unsupported? 17:53:32 <Bjarni> or is it something you took from the net and it presumes that you are Russian? 17:53:37 <lolman> There is no locales.conf... 17:53:40 <Sacro> err 17:53:46 <Sacro> just tab in /etc/loc... 17:53:49 <Sacro> its there somewhere 17:53:51 <lolman> locale.gen ;-) 17:54:09 <Sacro> i was close 17:54:34 <Sacro> Bjarni: no, why would anyone assume russian would be their known language 17:55:17 <lolman> Wow snow doesn't kill it 17:55:26 <Sacro> kills my lappy 17:55:33 <Sacro> unless i have the benchmarker open :\ 17:55:36 <lolman> Makes it hover at 60fps, but not dead :P 17:55:50 <lolman> lol 17:57:20 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni: no, why would anyone assume russian would be their known language <-- it was a joke. Pirated software are easier to get in Russia than real software, so if you pirate anything, Russia is the way to go 17:57:22 <Bjarni> or something 17:57:40 <Sacro> Bjarni: and there was me thinking it was a reference to RC4 17:57:44 <lolman> Why would Arch be pirated? :P 17:58:07 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni: and there was me thinking it was a reference to RC4 <-- you mean that one ruled out the other one :P 17:58:18 <Sacro> heh 17:58:20 <Sacro> possibly 18:01:07 <lolman> Hmm, su or sudo... 18:01:18 <Sacro> i use sudo 18:01:40 <lolman> Well I'd just set up sudo, so I'll use it too :P 18:02:36 <Wolf01> no volunteers for daylength? sacro neither? 18:02:49 <Sacro> Wolf01: my patch was perfect to start with :( 18:02:51 <Sacro> :p 18:02:57 <Wolf01> your patch is one line 18:03:01 <Sacro> :O 18:03:04 <Sacro> im sure it was 2 18:03:13 <Sacro> one for the gui bit 18:03:19 <Sacro> and one for the actual code 18:03:36 <Wolf01> at that time was one line 18:04:20 <Wolf01> yeah, if it does all what mine does, you are a genius... but i don't believe you :D 18:04:30 *** Rens2Eat is now known as Rens2Sea 18:10:08 <Sacro> lol 18:10:53 <Wolf01> is NS the flag for patches settings to make it server side and not saved in savegames? 18:14:29 <Maedhros> yes, but it shouldn't be used because since it's not saved, it's not synced when you join a network game 18:15:34 <Wolf01> oh that's why i saved it in the savegame :O 18:16:00 <Wolf01> too much time since i coded it 18:17:53 <Wolf01> mmm yes it desyncs 18:22:17 <Tefad> well done 18:23:18 <Sacro> desyncs are easy to create 18:23:22 <Sacro> Bjarni makes loads 18:23:48 <Tefad> : x 18:24:18 <Tefad> does anyone ever use ICQ any more? 18:24:43 <Tefad> currently the only people i see on ICQ are also on AIM or gtalk 18:24:53 <Tefad> (er both for the latter) 18:31:02 <lolman> Hmm I'm lagging like hell 18:32:21 <Sacro> hehe, your crappy isp 18:32:52 <Wolf01> mine is a crappy isp 18:34:01 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni makes loads <-- not anymore 18:34:13 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34:16 <Sacro> Bjarni: i doubt it :p 18:34:29 <Bjarni> that's why I gave up on autoreplace and rewrote it. The old design caused desyncs by design 18:34:56 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 18:35:14 <Bjarni> Sacro: are you saying that I'm a bad coder? 18:35:45 *** john [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 18:35:48 *** john is now known as lolman 18:36:12 <Sacro> Bjarni: only on days that end with a y 18:37:53 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r8787 /trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp: 18:38:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Change r8771: allow fast aircraft in small airports 18:38:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: We should keep the list in sync with the build command as hacked clients can avoid a block in the GUI only 18:38:47 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [wrong answer] 18:38:54 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 18:38:56 <Sacro> D: 18:41:00 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7A11F.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 18:41:13 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 18:41:19 <lolman> ok this figures 18:41:29 <lolman> Sacro, ping 18:41:46 <Sacro> lolman: network unreachable 18:42:04 <lolman> That's what I'm getting occasionally 18:42:07 *** stillunknown_ [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:42:11 <Sacro> i guessed :p 18:42:59 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:03 <lolman> Any idea why pings would be hovering at about a second? 18:44:25 <Sacro> crappy connection 18:44:48 <lolman> Box next to it is getting 16ms to the same server 18:44:55 <Roel> or an enourmous up/download that saturates the line 18:45:09 <Sacro> ooh yes 18:45:18 <Sacro> lolman: hmm, could be an upset router 18:45:23 *** RichK67_ [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 18:45:34 <lolman> Both boxes attached to same router... 18:45:36 <Sacro> :o 18:45:38 <Sacro> a RichK67_ 18:46:05 <lolman> Just pinged router, that's at a second too 18:46:15 <lolman> Something's not right 18:46:19 <RichK67_> hi 18:46:28 <RichK67_> brb 18:46:30 *** RichK67_ [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 18:46:30 <Roel> installed some firewalls or antivirus? 18:46:39 <lolman> Nope 18:46:45 *** RichK67_ [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 18:46:50 <lolman> It's a base GNOME install 18:46:54 <lolman> With Beryl 18:46:57 <lolman> lol 18:46:59 <RichK67_> damn client 18:47:01 <Roel> gnome isn't an os 18:47:08 <lolman> Roel, on Arch Linux 18:47:09 <Roel> did you reboot the router? 18:47:21 <Roel> (eg, disconnect the power for 30 seconds) 18:47:36 <RichK67_> peter1138 ping 18:47:37 <lolman> Shouldn't need to it the box next to this is getting really low pings to everything 18:47:39 <Maedhros> hmm, the string handling in the action b handler is seriously suspect 18:48:02 <Maedhros> it would be trivial to cause a segfault, simply by not 0-terminating strings 18:48:07 <Roel> lolman, that doesn't mean anything.. 18:48:28 <Roel> lolman, could be an overfloww somewere in the router 18:48:52 <lolman> Right, just pinged a box that it's got a crossover cable to...same result 18:49:01 <lolman> I think we can discount the router now ;-) 18:49:10 <Roel> okay..:) 18:49:43 *** KeeperOfTheSoul [~a@dyn-62-56-58-173.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [] 18:51:31 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7727.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:51:42 <Maedhros> hmm, it's not just action b, it's everywhere a string is loaded o_O 18:54:07 *** RichK67_ [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [Quit: RichK67_] 18:55:58 *** RichK67_ [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 18:56:48 *** RichK67_ [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 18:58:10 *** lolman_ [~lolman@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 18:58:24 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by lolman_))] 18:58:28 *** RichK67_ [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 18:58:29 *** lolman_ is now known as lolman 18:58:39 <lolman> There 18:58:46 <lolman> Problem solved :) 18:58:55 <Sacro> oh? 18:59:12 <RichK67_> finally... normality is restored. all your remaining problems are your own 18:59:24 <lolman> True RichK67_ 18:59:33 <lolman> Sacro, it was a problem in rc.conf 18:59:44 <Sacro> oh? 19:00:05 <lolman> The routes entry 19:00:12 <Sacro> ahh 19:00:13 <lolman> Was unneeded since I use dhcp 19:00:15 <Sacro> hmm 19:00:21 <Sacro> its normally commented out anway 19:00:30 <lolman> For some reason it wasn't 19:01:32 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 19:01:55 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:04:12 <lolman> Now this is more like it...it's not taking 10 seconds over each package download now 19:04:44 <Sacro> heh 19:04:50 <Sacro> i get about 600kB/s 19:04:53 <Sacro> its quite nippy 19:05:08 <lolman> I need to sort out mirrors...am getting 300 19:05:22 <lolman> I found when I installed belnet was bloody quick 19:05:39 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-227-113.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:06:29 <Sacro> yeah 19:06:33 <Sacro> im using the UK mirror 19:07:09 <Sacro> parrswood 19:07:16 <Sacro> just shove it into /etc/pacman.conf 19:07:25 <lolman> belnet gave me 1200 ;-) 19:08:17 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-227-113.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:13:32 <RichK67_> ping Darkvater 19:14:04 <Sacro> :p 19:14:12 *** glx|away is now known as glx 19:14:54 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176122202.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 19:15:09 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:36 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2AFK 19:17:33 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 19:20:28 *** lolman [~lolman@81.100.228.56] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:43 *** Sionide- [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 19:23:08 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.0.5] 19:23:08 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B775A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23:11 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B775A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:23:43 *** Sionide- is now known as Sionide 19:24:21 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 19:26:29 <Dominic> I'm on 0.5.0-RC4 and am seeing a blank entry (in pink) in the cargo payment rates window, beneath valuables. Is anybody else getting this? 19:28:08 <Dominic> (e.g. http://gf.computerkb.co.uk/~dominic/openttd_missing_cargo.png) 19:33:00 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: having fun? 19:34:14 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 19:34:28 <Roel> Dominic, same problem with r8620 19:34:32 <RichK67_> Dominic: its normal... in arctic there is one more cargo type 19:35:12 <lolman> Sacro|Laptop, indeed 19:35:16 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C430.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:35:21 <Roel> but is does have a line connected to it.. 19:35:24 <lolman> Currently looking for themes for GNOME 19:35:48 <Sacro|Laptop> ahh 19:35:52 <Sacro|Laptop> gnome-look.org 19:35:56 <Sacro|Laptop> or art.gnome.org 19:36:01 <Sacro|Laptop> or art.archlinux.org 19:36:04 <lolman> I'm on art.gnome.org now 19:36:31 <Sacro|Laptop> cool 19:36:45 <Sacro|Laptop> i use clearlooks dark nice as my theme 19:36:50 <Sacro|Laptop> with tango-noir icons 19:37:01 *** TarikFes [~viperhx@s5591c576.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:37:08 <TarikFes> Can some plz help 19:37:31 <TarikFes> is there anybody online 19:37:41 <Dominic> RichK67_: ah, ok. Reckon I should file a bug anyway, just for presentation's sake? 19:38:05 <TarikFes> Dominic can u plz help 19:38:06 <TarikFes> ?? 19:38:08 <RichK67_> yeah, puts it on the TODO list 19:38:18 <RichK67_> low priority 19:38:42 <Dominic> TarikFes: just ask the channel... 19:38:44 <TarikFes> I can not build aircraft in openttd ???? 19:38:51 <Dominic> RichK67_: ta 19:39:06 <TarikFes> i already have an airport 19:39:20 <TarikFes> enough money 19:39:49 <TarikFes> and a lot of plains but i can not build 19:40:16 <RichK67_> Dominic: in arctic, pink is food (but red - iron ore/copper ore - is another blank one), and in tropical all cargo graphs are used 19:40:17 <TarikFes> maybe somekind of setup step ??????? 19:40:37 <RichK67_> TarikFes: what is the date? 19:40:45 <TarikFes> 1963 19:41:15 <TarikFes> ? 19:41:17 <RichK67_> check your config - have you got number of aircraft set to 0? 19:41:27 <TarikFes> just a sec 19:41:27 <RichK67_> in vehicles panel 19:41:30 <Dominic> RichK67_: yep, I was just cycling through them and noticed the one in arctic missing. I'll add that in. 19:41:55 <TarikFes> it is 200 19:42:14 <RichK67_> very odd then 19:42:27 <TarikFes> yeah i know i can not figure it out 19:42:45 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C430.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:42:48 <TarikFes> i thought may be some1 had the same problem 19:43:07 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C430.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 19:47:02 *** tokai|morphos [~tokai@p54B833F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:51:46 <Wolf01> 'night 19:51:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 19:52:49 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-24.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 19:59:32 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-24.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 20:04:53 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 20:05:54 <lolman> oh noes 20:08:39 <Rubidium> TarikFes: what version are you using? Have you clicked on the hangar on the airport to get to the build window? 20:08:54 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0DE2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:05 <lolman> Rubidium, he's on RC4 20:12:24 <lolman> Oops 20:12:28 <lolman> Wrong guy :P 20:12:30 <lolman> Haha 20:12:39 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0DCDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:12:51 * lolman hangs head in shame 20:14:01 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:46 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 20:21:15 <Maedhros> is strnlen a standard library function, or a GNU extension? 20:22:41 <Dominic> GNU I think 20:23:18 <Maedhros> ok 20:27:08 <Sacro> Maedhros: standard library i reckon 20:27:15 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7727.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:32 <Sacro> just trying to think which header its in 20:36:57 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B82029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:40:09 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:40:09 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7A11F.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:40:32 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 20:41:13 <Sacro> oh noes 20:41:20 <lolman> Indeed 20:41:29 <Sacro> i fancy going on rFactor 20:41:32 <lolman> Just installed my webcam...but /dev/video0 didn't get created :-\ 20:41:42 <Tefad> nice job 20:41:44 <Sacro> hmm, have you probed the module? 20:41:51 <lolman> Yep 20:41:57 <Sacro> does dmesg say anything? 20:42:08 <lolman> Yeah, it recognises the cam 20:44:00 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B833F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:10 *** tokai|morphos [~tokai@p54B833F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:46:55 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B82029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:47:27 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B82029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:35 <lolman> Aha, it has created it 20:47:46 <lolman> I just don't have permission to open it =( 20:48:13 *** tokai [tokai@p54B82029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:49:00 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 20:49:33 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by XeryusTC2))] 20:49:34 *** XeryusTC2 is now known as XeryusTC 20:50:45 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:07 *** TarikFes [~viperhx@s5591c576.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:53:40 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 20:53:46 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 20:53:47 <Desolator> !seen mart3p 20:53:49 <_42_> Desolator, I don't remember seeing mart3p. 20:53:54 <Desolator> hmm... 20:54:39 <lolman> w00t it works 21:00:43 <Desolator> what? 21:02:25 <lolman> webcam lol 21:02:39 <valhalla1w> lolman: nightvision \o/ 21:02:50 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 21:03:24 <lolman> valhallasw, it has leds on it :P 21:03:51 <valhallasw> IR's? :+ 21:04:42 <Sacro> yay, crimson tide is on 21:05:27 <lolman> Nah, standard LEDs 21:06:32 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-227-113.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:15 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:41 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [] 21:13:59 <XeryusTC> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=30512 <- that name is gold :D 21:14:41 <lolman> Hahaha 21:14:44 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-207-60.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 21:20:06 <Maedhros> any comments? http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/grf_load_string.diff 21:20:19 <Maedhros> it's my attempt at making loading grf strings a little less suicidal 21:21:03 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 21:21:59 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [] 21:31:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8788 /trunk/src/lang/slovenian.txt: [Translations] -Fix: Removed bogus 3sk case from slovenian, as it is handled in WebTranslator2 from now on 21:34:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:38:19 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]] 21:47:12 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 21:47:41 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [] 21:50:03 <Tron> Maedhros: is there a reason why name = ... is done before the loop and last in the loop instead of doing it just first in the loop? 21:50:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8789 /trunk/src/table/namegen.h: [Namegen] -Change: Sorted townnameparts for hungarian, and added a few more 21:50:59 <Tron> MiHaMeK: please undo this 21:51:11 <Tron> this breaks existing games 21:51:30 <Tron> mainly towns with identical names may appear because of this 21:51:33 <Maedhros> Tron: probably not. i'll have a look 21:51:36 <MiHaMeK> Tron: hmm.. 21:51:51 <MiHaMeK> Tron: is it really? 21:51:58 <MiHaMeK> Tron: anyhow, i missed a colon 21:51:59 <MiHaMeK> :-( 21:52:06 <Tron> the town names are not stored in the games 21:52:10 <Tron> only their seed is 21:52:19 <MiHaMeK> i fixed, but not yet commit (waiting until Maedhros can check it) 21:52:23 <MiHaMeK> Tron: yeah, I know 21:52:38 <MiHaMeK> Tron: but I can't see the problem. The towns will be renamed 21:52:47 <MiHaMeK> Tron: apart from this, what's the problem? 21:52:52 <Tron> when generating the town names with the map seeds are chosen so no duplicate names are on the map 21:53:07 <Tron> now you changed what the seeds mean 21:53:15 *** KeeperOfTheSoul [~a@dyn-62-56-58-173.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:53:35 <MiHaMeK> Tron: mainly the order of the names changed 21:53:36 <Tron> but the seeds are still the same in existing games 21:53:55 <Tron> mainly, but not exclusivly 21:54:01 <MiHaMeK> Tron: but ok, I can remove it if you want, since I don't want to break others game 21:54:27 <Tron> also multiple un-aligned array entries are hard to read 21:54:52 <MiHaMeK> yeah, that's true 21:55:11 <MiHaMeK> even myself dislike that.. but in this case I thought it's rarely read if ever 21:55:15 <MiHaMeK> but ok, reverting 21:55:59 <Tron> to make it short: unless the strings are saved the town name generations algorithms cannot be changed once they are added 21:56:07 <Tron> s/ions/ion/ 21:56:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8790 /trunk/src/ (table/build_industry.h table/namegen.h town_cmd.cpp): [Namegen] -Revert: r8789 (Tron kinda convinced me it is a bad thing, sorry for it) 21:56:30 <MiHaMeK> FUCK 21:56:31 <MiHaMeK> shit 21:56:33 <MiHaMeK> sorry 21:57:21 <MiHaMeK> I committed too much :/ 21:57:26 <Tron> use a clean checkout and do svn merge -r 8790:8788 . 21:58:03 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7727.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:00:26 <Tron> Maedhros: probably max_len should be a size_t or at least an uint. (yes, len is an int, but this is suboptimal, too) 22:01:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8791 /trunk/src/ (table/build_industry.h table/namegen.h town_cmd.cpp): -Revert: r8790 Committed too much in last commit 22:01:54 <MiHaMeK> i think, I should not touch anything serious this evening 22:02:00 <MiHaMeK> i'm kinda lame this evening :/ 22:02:09 <Tron> Maedhros: hmm... the current code does not make too much sense 22:02:16 <Tron> if (ofs < 128) { 22:02:22 <Tron> } else { 22:02:28 <Tron> if (ofs == 1) { 22:02:57 <Maedhros> heh, true 22:03:07 <Bjarni> <XeryusTC> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=30512 <- that name is gold :D <-- WTF... this guy just invents obscene version numbers and complain that he can't find them or something :s 22:03:30 <XeryusTC> dude, i was talking about the name 22:03:34 <XeryusTC> not the odd version number :P 22:03:52 <Bjarni> that as well 22:03:56 <Tron> Maedhros: would you figure out what The Right Thing(tm) is? The whole function looks a bit suspicious 22:05:15 *** Rens2AFK is now known as Rens2Sea 22:05:24 <Maedhros> Tron: how about this? http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/grf_load_string_strnlen.diff 22:08:20 <Tron> i don't see the need for calloced memory when the limit is fixed at 128 anyway 22:08:48 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B8128A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:08:54 <Maedhros> is that a global string limit? 22:09:05 <Tron> + } else if (str_length > 127) { 22:09:05 <Tron> + grfmsg(7, "FeatureNewName: Too long a name (%d)", str_length); 22:09:10 <Tron> i'm just refering to this 22:09:33 <Maedhros> oh right. well, strings are loaded in the action b handler too, which doesn't have a limit 22:12:55 *** tokai [tokai@p54B82029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:05 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B82029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:54 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB70E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 22:14:23 <Tron> something is very fishy 22:15:33 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B8128A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:15:44 *** RichK67_ [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [Quit: RichK67_] 22:17:36 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:17:58 <Bjarni> ThePizzaKing: hi 22:18:10 <Bjarni> I have a question for you 22:18:14 <ThePizzaKing> yes? 22:18:31 <Bjarni> I noticed a picture of an Australian road sign saying "Give way". What does it mean? 22:19:18 <ThePizzaKing> they're at road intesections (T intersections etc.) It means the people on the other road have right of way 22:19:39 <ThePizzaKing> It's like a stop sign, but you don't have to stop 22:19:50 <ThePizzaKing> (do you have stop signs?0 22:20:09 <glx> unless you there's someone on the crossed road :) 22:20:14 <hylje> oh you silly people 22:20:27 <hylje> textual road signs are funny 22:20:36 <ThePizzaKing> they're shaped too 22:20:49 <Bjarni> ahh 22:20:55 <ThePizzaKing> Give way is a triangle, stop is an octagon that's red 22:21:01 <Bjarni> we have a sign like that as well... it just look different :) 22:21:24 <hylje> SOTP 22:21:33 <Bjarni> LOL 22:21:35 <hylje> hammer time 22:21:40 <Bjarni> that's NOT how they look :P 22:21:45 <ThePizzaKing> hehehe 22:22:20 <hylje> im somewhat considering vandalizing a stop sign to read sotp 22:22:31 <Bjarni> http://pics.soohrt.org/fun/shcool-oops.jpg <-- what a cool school :D 22:22:38 <Smoovious> does anyone else think that it just looks wrong when one vehicle tries to overtake another through intersections and around turns? (is there some way to prevent overtaking, if they are on the city roads that have double-yellow or a solid line?) 22:22:57 <hylje> i SO expected that, Bjarni 22:22:58 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B8128A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:23:05 <Bjarni> heh 22:23:06 <hylje> no spanish inquisition for you 22:23:20 <Bjarni> Smoovious: it looks odd alright 22:23:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 22:23:24 <Bjarni> but 22:23:30 <Bjarni> what should we do about it? :) 22:23:48 <hylje> make road traffic not suck 22:24:17 <Smoovious> yeah, I can't word it any better than hylje 22:24:29 <Bjarni> http://pics.soohrt.org/fun/bigbase.jpg <-- don't do that 22:24:40 <lolman> Sacro, ping 22:24:43 * Smoovious grins. 22:25:03 <Bjarni> <hylje> make road traffic not suck <-- maybe you can explain that plan in some more details 22:25:10 <Sacro> lolman: long 22:25:12 <Sacro> err 22:25:13 <Smoovious> pass only on straight road 22:25:14 <Sacro> pong 22:25:19 <lolman> Sacro, thankyou :) 22:25:21 <Bjarni> because "not suck" is pretty hard to code :P 22:25:24 <Smoovious> straight, non-intersecting road, that is 22:26:18 <Bjarni> http://pics.soohrt.org/fun/american_geography.jpg <-- ROFL 22:26:38 <hylje> first, auto-road in the fashion of autorail 22:27:01 <hylje> second, togglable overtake and not overtake roads 22:27:05 <Maedhros> Tron: are you going to enlighten us? what else is fishy? ;) 22:27:26 <Sacro> lolman: eh? 22:27:32 <hylje> third, one way roads 22:27:35 <KeeperOfTheSoul> oh, is cargo transit time measured from when the vehicle leaves the station or from when it begins loading? 22:27:48 <lolman> Sacro, for freeing me from the bloatfest that is Ubuntu 22:28:01 <hylje> fourth, road intersection priorities 22:28:50 <hylje> that way you could have highways and proper intersections 22:29:12 <hylje> after that road pathfinding needs to be optimized 22:29:29 <Sacro> lolman: ahh, im glad your happier 22:29:32 <Bjarni> http://pics.soohrt.org/fun/serverrooms/wires2.jpg <-- I wonder if anybody would notice if I move one of them... I mean there are so many... 22:29:33 <hylje> because there is a lot more road vehicles than trains 22:29:59 <lolman> Sacro, and then some 22:30:24 <Sacro> lolman: well its quite an unheard of distro, but it has a very dedicated group of followers, all very friendly 22:30:49 <hylje> arch? 22:31:01 <Sacro> hylje: indeed 22:31:11 <Sacro> im slowly converting #openttd and #tycoon 22:31:24 <ThePizzaKing> go Sacro ! :D 22:31:34 <hylje> yay 22:31:40 <Sacro> ThePizzaKing: actually, i think you where the first 22:31:44 <Wolf01> hey, that pic... our server box XD 22:31:56 <lolman> Sacro, one question: when kernel updates are sent out, is the nvidia kernel module updated too? 22:32:11 <Sacro> lolman: usually yes 22:32:20 <ThePizzaKing> Sacro, I didn't use it much back then though, it's still on that computer but it's so old it never really got used 22:32:21 <lolman> Smashing :) 22:32:31 <Sacro> they will go into testing together, and should come out together 22:32:53 <Sacro> ThePizzaKing: just log in, run a pacman -Syu and it should update fine 22:33:08 <Sacro> though you may need to convert to mkinitcpio 22:33:20 <lolman> No updates for me, but then again I did install today 22:34:03 <ThePizzaKing> Sacro, Well, I used the same install CD as I did for that on this laptop about a week and a half ago, only thing I had to fix was the kernel image name in grub 22:34:23 <Bjarni> http://www.ocen.org/high-school-diploma-online.html <-- LOL, the image is called "high-shcool-diploma.jpg"... how good can they be when they can't even spell on their homepage xD 22:34:28 <ThePizzaKing> (after the update that is) 22:34:45 <Sacro> ThePizzaKing: yes. thats the only really major change needed 22:36:06 <lolman> Oooh, chinese here :D 22:37:26 <Sacro> nice 22:37:42 <lolman> BBS, scoffing lemon chicken 22:39:24 <Sacro> lol 22:48:51 <KeeperOfTheSoul> is holding shift supposed to speed the game up? 22:49:14 <glx> in debug yes 22:49:17 <Maedhros> if it was built in debug mode, yes. it's quite annoying though... 22:49:22 <KeeperOfTheSoul> ah right 22:50:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8128A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:51:07 <KeeperOfTheSoul> interesting, i get random screen corruption when i hit the caps lock key 22:51:27 <Maedhros> yup, that's also intentional 22:51:46 <Bjarni> http://content.funnyhumor.com/pictures/nasaad.jpg <-- this is not likely to happen 22:51:58 <Bjarni> they save 400 kg of paint by not painting the fulltanks 22:52:09 <KeeperOfTheSoul> heh, is there a list of these debug keys anywhere? 22:52:13 <Bjarni> and since they aren't designed to last for ages... 22:52:31 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-121.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:34 <Smoovious> <hylje> that way you could have highways and proper intersections <--- highways shouldn't have intersections... they should have ramps 22:54:48 <Bjarni> <KeeperOfTheSoul> interesting, i get random screen corruption when i hit the caps lock key <-- that's actually a debug feature. It tells you which parts of the screen is being updated 22:54:57 <Bjarni> for debugging the video driver 22:55:59 <KeeperOfTheSoul> ah, you see i've got a wireless keyboard which pops up a notification at the same time, which threw me for a moment 23:01:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r8792 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r6623): Don't check whether a string length is 1 when you already know it isn't. 23:03:44 <Wolf01> 'night all 23:03:49 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 23:05:51 *** Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000fb085cc63.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 23:09:07 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 23:09:13 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 23:10:00 *** scrooge [~balli@dsl-149-96-155.hive.is] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:10:02 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:10:23 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:01 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 23:15:36 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:12 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387CD39.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:20:24 *** glx|away is now known as glx 23:24:01 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D2FC.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:13 <KeeperOfTheSoul> strange, i'm getting some ship depots built with a tile index of 0? 23:29:31 <KeeperOfTheSoul> that or something isn't working correctly when sending a ship to a depot in the orders 23:31:02 <Bjarni> err 23:31:31 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498CB53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:31:31 <Bjarni> when watching the build window without assigning a depot to it, it will use tile 0 as tile 23:31:45 <Bjarni> that way you can see what you can build before building a depot 23:32:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CD81.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:50 <KeeperOfTheSoul> the depot is built, i was trying to send the ship to there in a waypoint, the ship is built and running 23:34:21 <KeeperOfTheSoul> but it was telling me it can't reach the depot, which is directly between both docks 23:34:46 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D19C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:48 *** Borg- [~borg@cube.benet.uu3.net] has quit [Quit: nite] 23:34:49 <KeeperOfTheSoul> I can build other depots in the same area and they work, but occationally I will get another depot that doesn't work 23:35:26 <Bjarni> huh 23:35:56 <Bjarni> you mean that once in a while your ship depots just doesn't work? 23:35:59 <KeeperOfTheSoul> i can send you the save if you like 23:36:25 <Bjarni> I think you should post a bug report with a savegame 23:36:57 <Bjarni> that way other people can have the pleasure of looking at this as well 23:37:20 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:51 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 23:41:02 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7727.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53:13 <KeeperOfTheSoul> ah crap, i forgot to set the priority after my browser closed 23:53:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r8793 /trunk/src/table/namegen.h: -Fix: corrected spelling of real french townnames and 'removed' a duplicate 23:53:27 <KeeperOfTheSoul> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/634 23:55:02 <Bjarni> now that's odd 23:55:14 <Bjarni> anyway goodnight 23:55:21 * Bjarni is not going to look at it now 23:55:26 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving]