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00:03:43 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-134-013.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:03:56 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D19C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:05:54 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D19C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:08:48 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B80959.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:09:53 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-161-134.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:53 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 00:14:40 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B8128A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:45 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8128A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:18:07 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B80959.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:18:42 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 00:27:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:31:08 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 00:31:08 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-41-24.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:46 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-108.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:33:34 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 00:43:09 *** BurningFeetMan [~chatzilla@CPE-60-227-109-199.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:43:30 <Smoovious> any recommendations of which type of repository to create on Win2000? FSFS or BDB? 00:43:58 <Smoovious> nevermind... it'll be on a share... FSFS 00:52:56 <Smoovious> hmm... do I even need a repository? 00:53:25 <tokai|noir> depends on what do u want to do i guess 00:57:08 <Smoovious> um.. obtain and tinker with the OTTD sources? :D 00:59:39 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-40-108.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:59:40 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-108.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:41 *** Digitalfox_ is now known as Digitalfox 01:00:05 <tokai|noir> Smoovious: no need to make an 'repository' then 01:01:43 <Smoovious> yeah, the more I read on that, the more it seemed like it 01:01:53 <tokai|noir> Smoovious: just do: 'svn checkout svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk trunk' and it will create a local copy of the openttd repository 01:01:55 <Smoovious> ok, so I got the repository browser up 01:02:02 <Smoovious> I'm using the GUI version 01:02:23 <tokai|noir> well.. just find something which is called like "checkout" :) 01:02:29 <tokai|noir> and then type in the url:) 01:02:59 <tokai|noir> using gui for svn sounds akward:) 01:03:40 <Smoovious> yeah, well... last time I used command line for C was in the mid 80's on a xenix system... so as long as the learning curve is so high for me right now, ... .. . 01:04:00 <Smoovious> doesn't matter where the destination is I take it? 01:07:35 <KeeperOfTheSoul> gah, found the bug 01:07:54 <KeeperOfTheSoul> has anyone got access to change the priority in the bug tracker? 01:08:03 <Smoovious> brb 01:09:02 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-108.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:09:38 <Sacro> lolman: mmmm g25 01:12:11 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:12:37 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 01:12:46 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:14:44 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [] 01:15:04 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 01:15:52 <KeeperOfTheSoul> how many stations does each block hold? 01:21:01 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-207-60.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:21:57 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:22:17 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:23:09 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-108.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 01:24:04 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:34:09 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 01:37:10 <Belugas> [02:19] <Tron> <Belugas> and may i remind that bridges branch did not add ANY doc AT all about m6? <--- I just want to point out that this is not my fault <---not entirely true. You did changed the usage of extra on r4427, when you created the branch. I agredd that it may not have been the best time to do it. And i do agree that you are not the one who changed extra to m6. So i would conclude this on saying you had a bit of responsability, but not the ma 01:37:19 <Belugas> [02:25] <Tron> <Belugas> both celestar and tron, by the way. <--- this is plain unfair. I had nothing to do with merging it. I wasn't even informed about it <---- Agreed, and for this, i retract myself on that point 01:37:38 <Belugas> tron : but once again, it does not matter now. I'm doing that work 01:37:46 <Belugas> for the benefit of us all :) 01:39:23 <KeeperOfTheSoul> Belugas: can you reprioratise bugs in the bug tracker? 01:39:50 <Belugas> reprioratise??? 01:40:04 <Belugas> ho... i think i know what yo mean... 01:40:14 <Belugas> don't know. i thnk i can 01:40:18 <Belugas> which? 01:40:24 <KeeperOfTheSoul> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/634 can you make this bug high priority for me 01:44:46 <Belugas> no. i can't. I can close it, assign it but that's all :( 01:45:14 <KeeperOfTheSoul> ah well, nvm 01:45:49 <Belugas> two options : say it is critical or close it and restart :) 01:46:16 <KeeperOfTheSoul> i can't change anything about it 01:47:06 <KeeperOfTheSoul> hmm, in multiplayer mode, do commands get sent to the server before they are processed locally? 01:47:56 <Belugas> good question 01:48:07 <Belugas> i cannot answer, i do not know enough that stuff 01:48:31 <Belugas> Rubidium might tell you, TrueBrain too 01:48:46 <Belugas> do you want me to close it and start another one? 01:50:46 <Belugas> that is a good analysis, by the way... 01:50:51 <KeeperOfTheSoul> nah, i'll let one of the others know when i seem them around 01:50:54 <KeeperOfTheSoul> thanks :) 01:51:05 <Belugas> i might try to dig on it a bit latter this week. 01:51:35 <Belugas> i've always got annoyed by that too 01:51:44 <Belugas> well... when i was still playing :S 01:53:15 <Belugas> night all 01:57:04 <Smoovious> now... the instructions on step 6 of http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/MicrosoftVisualCExpress says to copy the OTTD grf files to the data folder... does it mean ...\trunk\bin\data ? (and if so, this won't mess up sync'ing or anything with the svn server will it?) 01:58:48 <KeeperOfTheSoul> that's the correct folder 01:58:56 <Smoovious> okee, thanky 01:59:02 <KeeperOfTheSoul> and no, it won't mess up svn (unless you were to check them in) 01:59:25 <KeeperOfTheSoul> one thing to watch, if you're using express it won't set the working directory correctly 01:59:33 <Smoovious> well, since I don't have any commit privs anyways, I don't think that'll be a big worry 01:59:40 <Smoovious> yes, it is express 01:59:47 <Smoovious> (and I saw the note about it further down) 02:00:08 <KeeperOfTheSoul> after your first build you want to export the data directory to obj\Debug\ or obj\Release 02:00:12 <Smoovious> unless it is different 02:00:15 <Smoovious> k 02:00:37 <KeeperOfTheSoul> you then only need to do that if langs changes and you get an error when starting up that your language files are out of date 02:01:58 <Smoovious> k 02:04:50 <Smoovious> ok, here we go 02:23:20 <Smoovious> hmm... case sensitivity... forgot about that... 02:30:39 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B765D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:32:53 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:06 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B775A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:42:25 <Smoovious> :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D 03:00:39 <Smoovious> um... export data directory? 03:02:56 <KeeperOfTheSoul> hold down right mouse button and drag the directory into obj\Debug, when you release select "svn export all" 03:03:12 <KeeperOfTheSoul> that's assuming you're using tortoise svn 03:03:27 <Smoovious> using tortoise and VC2005express 03:03:46 <Smoovious> drag which directory? 03:03:55 <KeeperOfTheSoul> yeah, use that export then, all it does is copies the directory and files but doesn't copy the .svn folders 03:04:23 <KeeperOfTheSoul> the difference between export and export all is export will only copy files that are under version control 03:04:41 *** Sacro|Laptop [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 03:04:49 <Smoovious> _which_ _directory_ 03:06:07 <Smoovious> and the only directory I'm finding close to "obj" is "...\trunk\objs" 03:07:19 <Smoovious> so should it be "...\trunk\bin\obj\Debug" or where... (and I think you mean the 'data' dir holding the grf's 03:09:32 <KeeperOfTheSoul> trunk\bin\obj\debug 03:10:03 <Smoovious> ok, have to create it then... trunk\bin\data to trunk\bin\obj\debug 03:10:25 <KeeperOfTheSoul> ah, and i ment the contents of \bin to \bin\obj\debug sorry 03:10:34 <Smoovious> okee 03:10:44 <Smoovious> data, not "data"... got it :P 03:10:57 <KeeperOfTheSoul> which should be, data, lang, save, scenario, and scripts 03:12:10 <Smoovious> so those directories within \bin I am moving, not the top-level \bin itself 03:12:22 <KeeperOfTheSoul> that's right 03:12:31 <Smoovious> resulting in \bin\obj\debug\scenario etc 03:12:37 <Smoovious> ok... that makes more sense 03:14:26 <Smoovious> I really should have kept up to speed on this... 03:14:30 <KeeperOfTheSoul> so you planing on doing some hacking at open ttd? 03:15:16 <Smoovious> perhaps... for the most part now tho... I'm just trying to get back up to speed in coding C... been wanting to for a long time, but the idea of doing it, with stuff I hate, just didn't appeal... 03:15:28 <Smoovious> but I LOVE TTD... so... that'll help :D 03:15:53 <KeeperOfTheSoul> ah, i'll warn you though, everytime i sit down to play open ttd now, i find somethink i want to change and never end up actually playing it :) 03:15:57 <Smoovious> just facing a 20-year learning curve to get up to date 03:16:08 <Smoovious> oh, I got a whole list set aside so far :P 03:16:13 *** Sacro|Mobile [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 03:16:17 *** Sacro_ [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 03:16:23 <Smoovious> not that big a list. :D but still, a list 03:16:36 * KeeperOfTheSoul has never really coded in C till now 03:17:21 <Smoovious> last project kept me busy, but all I was really doing was support... and since that project got sold, wanted the next one to be something I can get my hands dirty in 03:18:28 *** Sacro|Mobile [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19:01 <Smoovious> is there a mailing list? 03:19:50 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:20:05 <KeeperOfTheSoul> nope, they have forums though 03:20:25 <Smoovious> blech... can't stand webforums 03:20:30 <Smoovious> <- newsgroup person 03:20:40 *** Sacro|Laptop [Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:20:41 <KeeperOfTheSoul> yeah, i like newsgroups more 03:21:04 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 03:21:37 <glx> Smoovious: read to topic of this channel :) 03:22:09 <Smoovious> about the only time you catch me actually going to a webforum thread is when someone precedes the link with something like "can you believe this idiot?" 03:22:29 <KeeperOfTheSoul> glx: isn't that for svn info only? 03:22:44 <Smoovious> yeah, that's how I took that too 03:23:03 <glx> yes indeed (I though there was access to other lists) 03:23:21 <Smoovious> was thinking more of an ottd dev list 03:23:37 <Smoovious> no biggie 03:24:04 <glx> there's one but I can't find where 03:24:27 <KeeperOfTheSoul> the wiki mentions one on sourceforge, but makes a note that it isn't used 03:24:58 <Smoovious> ok... well, its not like I'll be contributing anything anytime soon yet, so no hurry I guess 03:26:22 <glx> anyway the mailing list is currently in emergency mode (all messages are blocked until the admin let them go) 03:26:33 <glx> too much spam without that 03:26:51 <glx> (the dev mailing list that is) 03:26:53 <Smoovious> yeah, most of the lists I'm on are similarly moderated 03:27:20 *** Sacro|Mobile [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 03:27:32 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 03:32:52 *** Sacro_ [Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:33:51 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:38:55 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 03:39:13 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined 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road vehicles... 05:33:43 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-237-236.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:44:59 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489FC17.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:51:59 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489E640.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:58:43 <Ailure> [06:27] <Smoovious> hmm... we're gonna need a 'non-stop' order for road vehicles... 06:58:46 <Ailure> huh 06:58:54 <Ailure> I can't impossible see this needed 06:59:30 <Ailure> unless the new road vehicle stations were implented 07:06:54 *** BurningFeetMan [~chatzilla@CPE-60-227-109-199.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]] 07:07:52 <Smoovious> they were 07:07:58 <Smoovious> in the nightlies 07:10:11 <Ailure> hmmhmhmhmm 07:10:18 <Ailure> I need to try out the latest nightly then 07:10:29 <Ailure> hadn't been using the nightlies since 0.5.0 RC1 was releaesd 07:10:33 * Smoovious grins. 07:11:49 <Ailure> also servers not using a a-Z charcthers 07:11:55 <Ailure> should always be... eh meh 07:12:00 <Ailure> then servers would just start with AAAA 07:16:53 <hylje> AAAAAAAAA! 07:17:25 <Smoovious> hmmm... road vehicles aren't being grouped together by type now (and sort by "engineID") 07:24:41 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D19C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:26:30 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D19C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:56:26 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:17:43 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]] 08:27:41 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C430.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:29:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:30:16 <Wolf01> suuuunday morning 08:37:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8794 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: 08:37:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 08:37:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Remove the possiblity to take over stations with OWNER_NONE by building a station next to it 08:37:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: It was possible to take over buoys by building a station next to them 08:37:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Also remove the now unnecessary special case which prevented taking over oilrigs 08:37:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: NOTE: 0.5 candidate 08:44:44 <Smoovious> you were able to take over a rig? interesting... 08:47:18 <Tron> no 08:47:24 <Wolf01> the helipad part only, if i remember well 08:50:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8795 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: 08:50:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 08:50:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Remove the explicit check for buoys when inserting goto station orders. 08:50:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: This is already covered by the preceding OWNER_NONE test. 08:51:02 <Smoovious> still interesting 08:51:09 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:51:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:55:50 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:00:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8796 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: 09:00:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 09:00:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Remove the unused function AllocateStation() which was left over from r8125 09:02:39 *** roboboy_ [~leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:02:50 *** roboboy_ [~leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:07:50 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 09:25:56 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:31:10 *** silent [~pwr@86.121.234.119] has joined #openttd 09:34:46 <nairan> hi 09:34:51 <nairan> just testes last rev 09:35:07 <nairan> and i noticed that i get no oil refining industry on the map 09:37:53 <Smoovious> do you have land within 16 tiles from the edge of the map? 09:38:37 <Smoovious> or 48 or whatever you have it configured to? 09:40:39 <Maedhros> peter1138: as our resident grf wizard, what do you think of this patch? 09:40:41 <Maedhros> http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/grf_load_string_strnlen.diff 09:44:04 <peter1138> indeed, you don't always want to copy it 09:44:18 <peter1138> but if you do, you might as well also ensure it is nul terminated 09:46:00 <peter1138> MiHaMeK: r8789, you are aware that reordering the parts changes names for existing games? 09:46:06 <Maedhros> umm, is that a yay, or a nay? ;) 09:46:28 <peter1138> (i think) 09:46:49 <peter1138> oh, it was reverted: ) 09:46:51 <Bjarni> <peter1138> MiHaMeK: r8789, you are aware that reordering the parts changes names for existing games? <-- that's the reason why he reverted 09:46:58 <peter1138> hmm, or something 09:47:26 <peter1138> and messed up the revert :D 09:47:38 <Bjarni> yeah 09:47:45 <Bjarni> I wonder how he manage to do that though 09:51:32 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Quit: off] 09:53:02 *** Wolfolo|AWAY 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http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/grf_load_string.diff 10:35:02 <Tron> i can't say anything about it unless peter tells me how certain added strings are referenced 10:35:56 <Maedhros> ok 10:37:04 <Smoovious> needs more blue 10:41:03 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: mikk36, Jezral, DJ_Mirage 10:45:29 *** Netsplit over, joins: Jezral 10:45:39 *** Netsplit over, joins: mikk36 10:45:39 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:46:55 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:46:57 <Wolf01> i have a gui for rail, roads, airports and docks which is always the same but for the DoCommand and station related variables (like size or orientation), where can i place the code? 10:50:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> rail_roads_airports_and_docks_gui.cpp? 10:52:01 <Wolf01> yes i already thought about this, but i don't want to add another source file, because is a pain when i have to revert the changes 10:53:40 <Maedhros> what does the gui do? station_gui.cpp might be a good place to put it 10:53:58 <Wolf01> is a list of nearest stations 10:54:26 <Wolf01> where you can click to join the station you are building with a previous station 10:54:57 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 10:55:07 <Maedhros> then station_gui.cpp seems sensible to me 10:58:24 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 11:03:40 <Bjarni> you mean like you will add an "append" toggle button and then you place the station, it will bring up a list of stations that are close enough to be joined with the new tile you just selected? 11:05:28 <Bjarni> such a window would fit nicely in station_gui.cpp 11:14:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8797 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix (8741): the 'drive through station built on town owned road' bit was not set. 11:15:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r8798 /trunk/docs/ (landscape.html landscape_grid.html): -Fix (8735): update documentation to reflect the used bits for drive through stations. 11:22:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C566.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:27:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8799 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: 11:27:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 11:27:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Reduce variable scope 11:27:35 <MiHaMeK> Bjarni: <Bjarni> I wonder how he manage to do that though <-- pretty easy 11:28:21 <MiHaMeK> Bjarni: i made up a little patch for my buddy, and forgot about that, and during the revert, I forgot to specify the filename, so it brought all the changes from trunk 11:30:37 <MiHaMeK> Bjarni: anyhow, it was not the reordering which made me considering the revert, but the newly added names, which would open possibility to duplicated townnames 11:32:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> it would be possible to create a map between old and new seeds, and handle the change with a savegame bump 11:33:21 <Tron> ugh 11:34:17 <MiHaMeK> Eddi|zuHause2: yeah, it the chimney has a slip on it, she would be my granny. 11:34:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> hey, i did not say it was a good idea ;) 11:34:54 <MiHaMeK> Eddi|zuHause2: ok :) 11:41:22 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 11:43:17 *** HMage` [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 11:43:17 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:45:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8800 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: 11:45:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 11:45:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Simplify MoveGoodsToSation() under the assumption that 0 is less or equal than 0 11:46:36 *** Peach [~Peach@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 11:47:04 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176112195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:48:25 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80959.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:49:34 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2BE37.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:02:07 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:54 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:07 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2BE37.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:07 *** silent [~pwr@86.121.234.119] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 13:07:18 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-227-241.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 13:17:35 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:17:38 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0DE2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:19:18 <KeeperOfTheSoul> is anyone around that can update the bug tracker for me? 13:22:54 *** KeeperOfTheSou1 [~pocketirc@dyn-62-56-58-173.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:31:47 <Maedhros> KeeperOfTheSou1: what would you like updated? 13:32:36 <KeeperOfTheSoul> I wanted this http://bugs.openttd.org/task/634 moved to a higher priority 13:34:26 <Maedhros> does "Medium" sound more reasonable? 13:34:29 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:35:02 <KeeperOfTheSoul> not sure, the bug can crash a server though (assuming the command is carried out on the server before the client that issues it) 13:35:38 <KeeperOfTheSoul> but someone probaly has to be going out of their way to do that 13:35:52 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0DE2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:36:06 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC58EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:36:11 <Maedhros> hmm, if it can crash a server, it would be high priority 13:36:40 <KeeperOfTheSoul> yeah, you just need more depots than stations so that the server tries to read for a block that points to null 13:36:54 <Maedhros> although you didn't mention that in the bug report ;) 13:37:16 <KeeperOfTheSoul> no, i didn't feel like putting that in the web, and there's no private comment function 13:39:25 <Tron> hm 13:39:45 <Tron> there's already an XXX 13:42:39 <KeeperOfTheSoul> i was wondering about those XXX's but couldn't see anything about them in the wiki 13:42:53 <Tron> hm, that was me 13:43:13 <Tron> XXX is just a generic "something is fishy" marker 13:43:18 <Tron> nothing OTTD specific 13:43:59 <Tron> you can see it in pretty much all projects 13:44:11 <KeeperOfTheSoul> ah right, i tend to use FIXME: instead for things to be looked at or resoved 13:44:34 <Tron> XXX, FIXME, TODO, NOTE 13:44:39 <Tron> there are many 13:44:51 <Tron> some IDEs even highlight them or show you a compiled list of all 13:47:53 *** xyz [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1167854170.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 14:04:39 *** Peach [~Peach@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [] 14:04:46 <peter1138> hmm 14:04:56 <peter1138> sergey produces a screenshot that actually looks ok 14:05:15 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-232-180.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:05:25 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-232-180.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 14:05:48 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: DJ_Mirage 14:08:28 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x573559a8.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:09:09 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:09:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:12:28 <Bjarni> Please do not use external image hosting services such as Imageshack or even your own webspace. 14:12:32 <Bjarni> two lines down: 14:12:33 <Bjarni> Please help the OpenTTD Wiki by uploading any externally linked images 14:12:50 <Bjarni> inconsistency on the wiki 14:12:50 <peter1138> and? 14:12:57 <peter1138> reread 14:13:17 <lolman> It makes perfect sense, it's telling people to upload any relevent images to the Wiki, and not leave them on Imageshack et al 14:13:47 <Bjarni> oh 14:17:05 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 14:17:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 14:17:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8801 /branches/cpp_gui/ (74 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed) 14:17:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [cpp_gui] -Codechange: few changes towards OO GUI: 14:17:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Window related AllocateXxx() functions turned into Window methods 14:17:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -current Widget renamed to OldWidget 14:17:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Widget base class added (still not used) 14:17:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -CompositeWidget added (also not used) 14:17:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Widget rectangle/point handling moved to new file: misc/rect.hpp 14:18:07 <peter1138> grrr 14:18:19 <KUDr> too much? 14:18:48 <peter1138> hmm? 14:18:59 <peter1138> no, my dvd device changed from hdc to sr0 back to hdc 14:19:14 <Bjarni> too much for me to follow what you did, but ok... 14:19:22 <Bjarni> maybe if I spend some time reading it 14:19:41 <KUDr> Bjarni: it only looks that it is too much 14:19:58 <KUDr> Bjarni: i added your "Create()" method 14:20:10 <KUDr> was needed (at least for now 14:20:14 <Bjarni> ahh 14:20:37 <Bjarni> maybe even looking at the diff would help :p 14:20:49 <KUDr> it took me long to make it compilable again, therefore bit more changes 14:23:40 <Bjarni> -18 new .cpp files added in new dir for several widget types (most of them not used yet) <-- is it a good idea to have one file for each widget type? 14:23:48 <Bjarni> I know they are in a dir of their own, but still 14:23:52 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:37 <KUDr> Bjarni: if you wonder about compilation time, they can be compiled as one (if needed) 14:24:50 <KUDr> but they should have their own files 14:25:07 <KUDr> at least cpp files if not .h 14:28:14 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 14:29:11 <Tron> http://tron.homeunix.org/depot_order.diff 14:29:14 <Tron> comments? 14:31:03 <KeeperOfTheSoul> what about adding OT_GOTO_WAYPOINT as well, as for some vehicles this is a valid order 14:33:48 <Tron> it's just for ships 14:37:02 <Bjarni> and they never head for buoys? 14:37:09 <KeeperOfTheSoul> they are stations :) 14:38:32 <Bjarni> nice consistency :P 14:39:41 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:40:29 <KeeperOfTheSoul> but i was thinking if you add waypoint in now (just to GetOrderLocation), it won't break if someone tries to use the function for other vehicles or buoys get changed to waypoints 14:42:30 <Tron> ideally extra waypoint and depot numbering goes away 14:43:34 <Tron> also buy ahead programming is just a waste of time 14:44:04 <Tron> till the extra code is used the invariants have changed and meanwhile the unused code has to be maintained 14:46:32 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:05 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50:58 *** Netsplit over, joins: DJ_Mirage 14:51:35 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-237-236.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 14:54:19 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:54:43 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:00:39 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02:34 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2BE37.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:07:56 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:09:23 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 15:09:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 15:14:57 *** imaginner [~imaginner@acml16.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 15:22:55 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387CD39.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:39:06 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC58EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:51 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC58EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:42:22 *** HMage` [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43:23 <imaginner> is there any documentation on general OTTD design? for people diving into the code? 15:45:41 <ln-_> you'll suffer a major brain damage if you try to dive into the code. 15:46:36 <imaginner> :/ 15:46:45 <imaginner> what should I do then? 15:47:06 <Zaviori> Not suffer a major brain damage 15:47:26 <ln-_> just be happy that it's quite playable as it is. 15:47:47 <imaginner> uhm 15:47:54 <imaginner> I am looking for something like "Read This Before Trying To Read/Modify OTTD Source" 15:48:58 <ln-_> let's just say that the code isn't very pretty. 15:49:56 <imaginner> I see. Am I on my own figuring it out? 15:50:29 <ln-_> someone here might know answers to questions. 15:50:50 <Bjarni> <imaginner> I am looking for something like "Read This Before Trying To Read/Modify OTTD Source" <-- here is how it works: read the source and then you want to modify anything: read that particular code again so you understand it (remember the header files) and then you can try to modify it 15:50:50 <xyz> imaginner: you can find on the forum threds about coding style, and how to compile 15:51:12 <Bjarni> when you have made something, you can show a diff and get totally ignored or flamed for bad design :P 15:51:35 <imaginner> I see :) 15:52:15 <Bjarni> it could be an idea to show up with a half finished design and talk about it to ensure that it's not broken by design 15:52:23 <ln-_> or, you can show a diff, get totally ignored for 2 months, and then 10 seconds after someone committing the patch to svn you'll get a lot of feedback on bad design and ugliness. 15:52:34 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 15:52:54 <Bjarni> <ln-_> or, you can show a diff, get totally ignored for 2 months, and then 10 seconds after someone committing the patch to svn you'll get a lot of feedback on bad design and ugliness. <-- you watch my patches that closely??? 15:53:31 <ln-_> nope, it was about something else. 15:53:59 <Bjarni> I get flamed for committing and for not committing :s 15:54:34 <imaginner> hmm, Bjarni, you need some love :) 15:54:55 <Digitalfox> ln-_: Talking about Drive-through road stops maybe? 15:55:07 <ln-_> but of course, you are the source of all bugs in openttd, including those that existed before you knew about the project. 15:55:50 <ln-_> Digitalfox: negative. 15:56:00 *** DarkSSHClone [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 15:56:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> <ln-_> or, you can show a diff, get totally ignored for 2 months, and then 10 seconds after someone committing the patch to svn you'll get a lot of feedback on bad design and ugliness. <- that is the standard procedure here, i have encountered it with several different persons already :) 15:57:11 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:14 <Bjarni> <imaginner> hmm, Bjarni, you need some love :) <-- well, I'm not heading to IRC to get love.... it's full of ignorant, stupid, hostile and foul smelling people 15:58:23 <Bjarni> and then there is me 15:59:21 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-237-236.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:59:28 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@89.98.191.206] has joined #openttd 15:59:38 <imaginner> But not everyone is like that, you know 15:59:39 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-237-236.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 15:59:55 <imaginner> some people admire the Dev's work 16:01:01 <hylje> not bjarni's 16:01:02 <hylje> :b 16:01:25 <imaginner> why not? :P 16:01:26 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@f210234.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:26 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 16:02:04 <imaginner> has anyone ever tried to write some docs for the code? 16:02:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, the wiki is full of such futile attempts :p 16:02:47 <Tron> what's this "docs" stuff you're talking about? Is it edible? 16:03:20 <imaginner> heh 16:03:40 <glx> imaginner: you can try docs.openttd.org 16:04:51 <imaginner> Hmm... that just takes the source and comments in the source, right? 16:05:39 <Bjarni> <imaginner> has anyone ever tried to write some docs for the code? <-- try doxygen 16:06:03 <Bjarni> I don't know if it will help, but at least we tried to make something 16:06:17 <imaginner> how does it work? 16:06:47 <Bjarni> you run doxygen on the source and then it makes a html page about what functions we have 16:06:51 <Bjarni> at least in theory 16:06:54 <imaginner> I see 16:07:08 <Bjarni> I tried to install doxygen the other day... that didn't go well 16:07:19 <Bjarni> didn't try hard though 16:08:07 <imaginner> another question: how one can add source comments only to the trunk? do I write a regular diff 16:08:10 <Bjarni> [16:59:55] <imaginner> some people admire the Dev's work 16:08:10 <Bjarni> [17:01:00] <hylje> not bjarni's <-- yeah. Nobody like autoreplace, clone vehicles, the mac port.... 16:08:17 <Bjarni> let's revert all of it and everybody will be happy 16:08:34 <hylje> :-) 16:09:06 <imaginner> I could try to give a hand with docs when I have some spare time, but I don't promise anything 16:09:18 <Bjarni> wow, you are brave 16:09:24 <Bjarni> O_O 16:09:41 <imaginner> I just don't feel good enough in C++ to dev anything in OTTD 16:09:54 <imaginner> I am thinking too much Java :P 16:10:26 <imaginner> I am still just wondering aloud, though 16:10:53 <imaginner> I can write some docs, but what do you think is the most needed? 16:22:05 <Bjarni> code cleanup so it's easier to code (and mess it up again) 16:22:11 <Bjarni> :P 16:24:10 <imaginner> meaning, just basic refactoring? 16:24:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8802 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: 16:24:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 16:24:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: When inserting an order for a ship while checking the distance between the new order and the order it is inserted after adhere the order types to determine the correct type of destination (i.e. station or depot) 16:24:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Also do a better job in determining the preceding order 16:24:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: NOTE: 0.5 candidate 16:25:56 <Bjarni> <imaginner> meaning, just basic refactoring? <-- actually I was joking about cleaning up the code 16:26:10 <Bjarni> you really have to know the code to really clean it up 16:26:17 <imaginner> true 16:27:27 <Bjarni> one thing that you should NOT do: rewrite the game into using java 16:27:41 <Bjarni> I don't know where people get strange ideas like that from, but they aren't sane 16:29:42 <imaginner> hehe :) 16:30:32 <imaginner> If anyone wanted jav-ish OTTD, it would be way easier to write the game from scratch! 16:31:45 <imaginner> although, OTTD code seriously needs some luvvin :) 16:31:45 <Bjarni> not unlikely 16:32:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80959.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: It's like, wah.] 16:35:03 <Naksu> i think ottd needs to be 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<peter1138> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 19:00:37 <peter1138> $ 19:00:37 <peter1138> hmm 19:00:56 <glx> peter1138: cpp_gui branch 19:01:00 <peter1138> oh 19:04:59 *** boekabart_ [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has quit [Quit: Back to work, back to work, everybody, work work work work!] 19:06:57 *** imaginner [~imaginner@acml16.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 19:08:36 <Rubidium> Darkvater, about: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=555325#555325 Do you mean that r8497 needs to be backported? If that's the case, it's already done for 0.5.0-RC5 19:12:52 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2BE37.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:21:52 *** KritiK_ [Maxim@ppp83-237-103-14.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:21:58 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC58EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:23:35 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> arion.oftc.net quits: illu, coronel 19:23:55 *** mojs [mojs@hhcrew.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:17 *** Netsplit over, joins: coronel, illu 19:25:10 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> do we REALLY need 18 new cpp files? <-- for the record: I asked the same question 19:26:01 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp83-237-101-166.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:04 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 19:28:05 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@f210194.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:28:57 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C430.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:24 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #openttd [] 19:32:48 *** ganjamice [aD_ganja@port-83-236-62-62.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:33:01 <ganjamice> wow 19:33:17 <ganjamice> wusste gar nich das so ein altes spiel noch so viel anhänger hat 19:33:41 <Sacro> ? 19:33:49 <ganjamice> inzwischen sind die leute, die es mal gespielt habe, alle firmenmanager geworden :) 19:33:56 <Sacro> errr... english? 19:33:58 <ganjamice> wtf 19:34:06 <Sacro> my thoughts also 19:34:47 <ganjamice> i wonder that this old game has a lot of fans in the world 19:35:00 <ganjamice> for this old game its very nice 19:35:31 <ganjamice> i think those people who played this game in earlier days, are all companybosses now :D 19:38:36 <Bjarni> I'm not :/ 19:38:50 <Bjarni> however 19:39:12 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 19:39:13 * Sacro is a company boss :D 19:39:15 <Bjarni> I'm not without relationship to the railroad :) 19:39:29 <ganjamice> :-) 19:39:32 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC58EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:39 <Bjarni> Sacro's Fucking mental ill girls Inc.? 19:40:01 <Sacro> Bjarni: :p 19:40:10 <Sacro> Sacro Transport, im almost at Tycoon level 19:40:33 <Bjarni> you mean you deliver drugs on your bike? 19:41:24 <Sacro> no, im not dutch 19:41:40 <Bjarni> in that case Hull might not be that different 19:42:44 <Bjarni> hehehe. A possible slogan: "Use Sacro Transport and get your speed the speedy way" 19:43:25 <lolman> oh noes 19:43:46 <Bjarni> :( 19:43:53 <Bjarni> I was expecting lol 19:43:56 <Bjarni> specially from you 19:44:02 <Bjarni> :s 19:44:05 <lolman> lol 19:44:29 <Sacro> oh noes... 19:44:39 <Bjarni> lol 19:44:43 <lolman> indeed 19:45:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8803 /branches/cpp_gui/src/ (gfx.h misc/rect.hpp rail_cmd.cpp viewport.cpp window.h): 19:45:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [cpp_gui] -Codechange: point structures (Point, Point16) made compatible 19:45:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -PointT has now base PointRawT without constructor (plain struct compatible with unions) 19:45:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -struct Point declared in gfx.h replaced by PointT<int> 19:45:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -use of Point in WindowEvent::we union members replaced by PointRawT<int> 19:45:17 <Bjarni> Sacro: you ended up with a flat tire, so the speed wasn't that speedy anyway? 19:46:05 <Sacro> Bjarni: actually, my bike does have a flat tyre :( 19:46:27 <Bjarni> use the train then 19:47:15 <Bjarni> that reminds me of a guy, who turned up late and said stuff like "fucking train" and I asked "did it puncture a tyre?" 19:47:29 <Bjarni> then he said that it could have because everything else broke 19:47:49 <ganjamice> ive a question : i heart, that i can play ott on my handy. but which handy is the best for the game and can i syncronisate it with my computer? as example : i play in bus openTT on my handy and after that i put the savegame on my computer and play on it? 19:48:27 <Bjarni> all savegames are the same, nomatter what you use to save them 19:48:40 <Bjarni> we have one common format 19:48:42 <ganjamice> ic, but is there a conflict with the versions of the game? 19:49:09 <Bjarni> you need to use the same version of the sourcecode to ensure that they behave the same way 19:49:24 <ganjamice> hä? =) 19:49:30 <ganjamice> yes 19:49:48 <Bjarni> this could be a problem with that company, that delivers the port for Windows CE 19:49:54 <Bjarni> they modified the code 19:49:55 <ganjamice> when i play version 5 on my handy and on my computer it works. but when i play version 4 on my handy and version 5 on my computer ... ? 19:50:51 <Bjarni> you can always load a savegame from the past (earlier version), but you can't read one from the future, because then the game will not know what each byte in the savegame format mean 19:51:00 <Bjarni> it have no way of knowing what is added later 19:51:35 <Bjarni> what "handy" do you have? 19:52:27 <ganjamice> an older one, but i will buy a new one 19:52:35 <Bjarni> if it has a monitor, that's at least 640 pixels wide, then there will be no problem at all 19:52:45 <ganjamice> and 30 minutes ago i had an idea like this : playing oTT on my handy 19:52:46 * Sacro has 2 handys 19:52:52 <Sacro> one on the left, and one on the right 19:52:55 <ganjamice> talked this to ma friend 19:52:59 <ganjamice> searched on goggle 19:53:02 <ganjamice> and now im here :D 19:53:05 <Bjarni> there is a port for Nokia S770/S800 (or whatever the names are) 19:53:16 <Bjarni> they use a 800x480 touchscreen display 19:53:41 <Bjarni> making it somewhat easy to compile the game 19:54:06 <ganjamice> yes 19:54:28 <Bjarni> I don't know if I can recommend them in general, but I think they are the best when it comes to playing OpenTTD 19:54:45 <ganjamice> the other thing is ... playing online.. can i play this game online on my handy against other computer users? :)) 19:54:54 <Bjarni> officially you need at least 640x400, but that's actually rather small 19:54:59 <ganjamice> hmm 19:55:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r8804 /branches/cpp_gui/src/ (widget/widget_composite.cpp window.h): 19:55:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [cpp_gui] -Codechange: BaseWindow now inherits from CompositeWidget (with no benefits yet) 19:55:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -CompositeWidget is no longer abstract (added OnLeftClick() to it) 19:55:38 <Bjarni> <ganjamice> the other thing is ... playing online.. can i play this game online on my handy against other computer users? :)) <-- at one time a Nokia S770 connected to my server though Wifi and the internet, so yes 19:55:46 <ganjamice> cool 19:55:55 <Bjarni> currently it has a keyboard issue though, so passwords are still an issue 19:56:22 <Bjarni> not insolvable, but unsolved 19:56:58 <ganjamice> http://tech.de.msn.com/mobile/handy_article.aspx?cp-documentid=2867884 19:57:05 <ganjamice> its german, im sorry 19:58:33 <Bjarni> the screen is a bit small for OpenTTD 20:02:02 <ganjamice> yes it is 20:02:34 <Bjarni> looks rather nice though 20:03:35 <ganjamice> hmm 20:03:37 <Bjarni> but if one of the tasks is to play OpenTTD, then I will not recommend screens smaller than 640x400 and the bigger the better 20:03:54 <ganjamice> but is there an handy with 640* ? 20:03:57 <Bjarni> btw less than 640 pixels wide screens aren't supported yet 20:04:18 <Bjarni> <ganjamice> but is there an handy with 640* ? <-- how should I know? :) 20:04:29 <Bjarni> ask in a handy channel 20:06:27 *** lolman [~lolman@81.100.228.56] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07:22 <ganjamice> http://www.areamobile.de/tests/Sony_Ericsson_M600i/teil_I.php 20:07:23 <ganjamice> uhhh 20:07:24 <ganjamice> nice 20:09:18 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0D3E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:23 <ganjamice> the problem is, that handys are too small for this screen 20:13:15 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0DE2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:51 *** ganjamice [aD_ganja@port-83-236-62-62.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Peace and Protection 4.22] 20:25:10 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:29:26 *** john_ [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 20:29:37 *** john_ [~john@81.100.228.56] has quit [] 20:30:33 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 20:51:44 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6B7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59:19 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6B7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:02:12 <Darkvater> Rubidium: ah yes, didn't know that was in RC5 21:02:35 <Rubidium> http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/to_backport-RC5.txt <- that 21:02:42 <Rubidium> 's what I backported for rc5 21:03:43 <Darkvater> kk 21:04:02 <Darkvater> hmm I need Tron :) 21:04:55 <Sacro> the string for 90 degree turn disabling needs to mention for NPF and YAPF 21:04:58 <Sacro> rather than just NPF 21:06:22 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@f210194.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:07:04 <peter1138> that was a nice landing 21:07:10 <Darkvater> hiya peter1138 :) 21:07:25 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@f210194.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:07:25 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 21:07:35 <peter1138> hello mr vater 21:07:36 <Sacro> peter1138: the relient? 21:07:39 <peter1138> yeah 21:07:41 <Sacro> *reliant 21:07:54 <Sacro> took a nice chunk out of northumberland 21:11:09 <peter1138> gah 21:11:15 <peter1138> bloody non-earthed equipment 21:11:20 <Sacro> hehe 21:11:25 <Sacro> its not a dell laptop is it? 21:11:30 <peter1138> yes yes, it's fine having that square logo 21:11:36 <peter1138> and no earth 21:11:41 <peter1138> er, no earth pin 21:11:55 <peter1138> but when you have different pieces of equipment linking together it's a fucking pain 21:12:03 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 21:12:03 <peter1138> no, a telly and a dvd player 21:12:47 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 21:13:08 <Sacro> ahh 21:13:40 <peter1138> the laptop does it too, of course 21:13:51 <peter1138> that also gives a strange feeling touching the plastic case 21:14:06 <peter1138> cos it's got that slightly metallic finish... 21:15:09 <peter1138> maybe my leccy's just dodgy ;p 21:16:42 <Roel> or connect an wire the metal casing and an earthpin manualy? 21:16:52 <peter1138> hmm 21:16:54 <peter1138> could do 21:17:14 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC58EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:04 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC58EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:19:03 <peter1138> not really possible with the telly though 21:20:22 *** xyz [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1167854170.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 21:22:38 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: ping 21:22:48 <KUDr> pong 21:27:30 <Roel> mwah, you could hook it up to the coax connector 21:27:39 <Roel> but that's not a real good way to go..:) 21:29:21 <peter1138> maybe i just need one of those scart boxes 21:29:29 <peter1138> so i don't need to keep swapping stuff around 21:31:22 *** caladan [~caladan@161-be2-18.acn.waw.pl] has joined #openttd 21:34:15 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:42:39 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 21:43:10 <Desolator> Anyone home? 21:43:43 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [] 21:44:41 <xyz> me :P 21:44:45 <Sacro> me 21:46:51 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 21:47:50 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:35 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 22:07:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Darkvater * r8805 /trunk/src/ (helpers.hpp music/libtimidity.cpp music/libtimidity.h): -Codechange (r8757): DO set eol-style and keywords on new files... 22:10:21 <Sacro|Laptop> libtimidity? 22:16:54 <peter1138> it's fake! 22:17:00 <peter1138> $ apt-cache search libtimidity | wc -l 22:17:01 <peter1138> 0 22:17:15 <Sacro> yes, thought so 22:17:19 <Darkvater> haha 22:17:56 * Bjarni never used timidity 22:18:03 <Bjarni> never worked for me 22:18:04 <Sacro> hmm 22:18:12 <Sacro> danish bacon > hollandish bacon 22:18:41 <Bjarni> wtf does Holland have to do with bacon??? 22:18:57 <Bjarni> you are even more screwed up than I thought 22:19:15 <SpComb> here in Finland they sell (translated) "American Bacon", with the subtitle "Origional finnish bacon" 22:19:33 <Bjarni> fair enough 22:19:49 <Bjarni> reminds me of the breathmint they once sold here 22:20:09 <Bjarni> CLASSIC and subtitle said "now with new taste" 22:20:20 <Bjarni> new classic taste? :) 22:20:41 <SpComb> old modern! 22:20:42 <Darkvater> try the all now Coca Cola! Now with classic taste! 22:20:47 <Darkvater> s/now/new 22:20:49 <Darkvater> can't type 22:21:02 <Bjarni> original coca cola? 22:21:04 <Roel> Classic taste is the one with cocaine? :) 22:21:16 <Bjarni> with original ingredients? 22:21:22 <Bjarni> only in NL 22:24:05 <Sacro> Bjarni: my bacon says "Product of Holland" 22:25:05 <hylje> :o 22:25:16 <Sacro> if (mysql_query('DROP TABLE table_name')) echo "table existed"; 22:25:20 <Sacro> *sniggers* 22:30:45 *** xyz [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1167854170.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [] 22:31:22 <peter1138> i hereby announce my departure 22:31:34 <peter1138> to bed 22:31:42 <KUDr> gn 22:32:04 <Darkvater> nini 22:32:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: you went under the anonymous BOFHs? 22:32:44 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: nope 22:35:22 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:37:21 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176097156.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:37:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Darkvater * r8806 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_config.cpp newgrf_config.h): -Codechange (r7582): Remove a duplicate append of static GRF's when loading the game and hide the intrinsics of adding elements to the GRFConfig list by using an AppendToGRFConfigList function. 22:38:36 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2BE37.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 22:39:52 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176112195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:45:18 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC58EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:57 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:48:50 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:48:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host175-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:50:00 *** RichK67_ [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 22:50:39 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176097156.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:50:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Darkvater * r8807 /trunk/src/oldloader.cpp: 22:50:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Feature: Add support for loading (some of) the TTDP extra chunks mainly list of GRFIDs and TTDP version the game was saved with. 22:50:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: GRFID list is read and active GRFs are loaded with the game if present in the data/ directory. 22:50:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: TTDP versioning information only works for newer versions, old versions will only give rough information but it's not worth the effort to precisely figure out what bit means what where and when. 22:56:13 *** lolman [~john@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 23:01:04 <RichK67_> ping Darkvater 23:01:23 <Darkvater> pong 23:01:53 <Sacro> oh noes 23:01:55 <Sacro> hey RichK67_ :) 23:01:57 <lolman> Indeed 23:01:58 <RichK67_> ive got a new airports feature for you - 90 deg rotate left for the commuter, intercon, and helistations... 23:02:00 <lolman> Ello all 23:02:07 <RichK67_> http://ottd.rkhosting.co.uk/patches/Grunhill%20Transport,%2018th%20Feb%202004.png 23:02:18 <RichK67_> http://ottd.rkhosting.co.uk/patches/Grunhill%20Transport,%2018th%20Feb%202004%20%231.png 23:02:25 <RichK67_> airports fully working 23:03:01 <Darkvater> I thought you did not want to post here and get all kinds of nasty question about RTM ;) 23:03:45 <Digitalfox> Nice RichK67_ , really nice :) 23:03:51 <RichK67_> well, given some ppls hostility to talking non-public, i thought it was easier just to raise ppls expectations, and let them be dashed when it becomes another-feature-not-added ;) 23:04:10 <Darkvater> RichK67_: that's nice :). Celestar did tell me that was not a lot amount of work 23:04:40 <Sacro> RichK67_: what about the ... other ... airports : 23:04:43 <Sacro> :P 23:04:44 <RichK67_> yeah - whole diff is about 23k, and a lot of that is correcting some comments in the station_land.h 23:04:45 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:04:53 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@f210194.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:04:55 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@f210194.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:58 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 23:05:06 <Darkvater> RichK67_: it's probably evil to say it can only flip it and not rotate 90,180,270, right? ;) 23:05:36 <Darkvater> eh not flip, but only 90CCW 23:05:47 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:06:00 <RichK67_> i will happily make them rotate all angles, if you redo the graphics system to allow free placement of fences ... atm we need 16 fences per graphic (nearly) 23:06:11 <RichK67_> only rotate left 90, yes 23:06:42 <Bjarni> would it be tricky to make some engine to allow the airports to be rotated in all angles and then pick sprites accordingly? 23:07:05 <Darkvater> RichK67_: I think though the fences can be made dynamic. they're only drawn on the border 23:07:06 <Bjarni> like a function to get the sprite of a hangar with the exit in direction x and so on 23:07:16 <Darkvater> with some little magic of excluding runway and building tiles 23:07:21 <Darkvater> it'd probably just work 23:08:05 <RichK67_> however, the sprite group is stored as a single byte, so we only have 255 combos available 23:08:08 <Darkvater> Bjarni: read above; that's what he said 23:08:29 <Darkvater> RichK67_: station_land.h you mean? 23:08:32 <RichK67_> hangars are ok... all the sprites are done, and in already 23:08:44 <RichK67_> yeah, my fave bit of code - not... ;) 23:08:54 <Darkvater> that code really needs some serious newgrf magic 23:09:04 <RichK67_> yeah - way out of my league 23:09:13 <Darkvater> but this rotation is pretty cool 23:09:27 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:35 <RichK67_> but, given the limitation that it only does the asymmetric airports, do you like? 23:09:36 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: read above; that's what he said <-- I can read. The question was aimed at "would it be possible to make one airport and then use some sort of airport engine in the game to rotate it?" 23:09:48 <Bjarni> presuming the sprites are present 23:09:59 <Darkvater> Bjarni: he already said "i will happily make them rotate all angles, " 23:10:00 <RichK67_> would need a hefty sprite translation table 23:10:23 <RichK67_> also, causes problems with the moving sprites - like the radar 23:10:52 <RichK67_> the screen redraw would need to take control of what fences to draw when 23:10:52 <Darkvater> anyways, Bjarni you have an iconv enabled openttd, right? Can you browse directories from within the game? 23:10:59 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: he already said "i will happily make them rotate all angles, " <-- I read that as he will do it manually. I wondered about if it would be better to make some sort of engine to do it for him, so all airports can be rotated in all 4 possible ways as long as one is coded 23:11:19 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> anyways, Bjarni you have an iconv enabled openttd, right? Can you browse directories from within the game? <-- I think so. Why? 23:11:28 <Darkvater> do try it please 23:11:41 <Darkvater> especially with some funny characters in your path 23:11:54 <Darkvater> like u+umlaut or o+" 23:12:32 * Bjarni starts by switching from Japanese to English 23:12:36 <RichK67_> bjarni: yeah, i sort of meant something like that... but there are mega limitations with current station_land system... basically, until something replaces that, it isnt really possible - also doesnt work for buildings that have directions - eg. small airport terminus... if you rotate CCW, you see the back of the building, which we dont have as a sprite 23:13:28 <RichK67_> you may notice that the helistation rotated has different landing pads, as i didnt have the right ones already (and couldnt be bothered to draw them all for a demo) 23:13:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> !calc 4350*.72 23:13:42 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause2: 3132.00; 23:13:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> !calc 4350*.72/350 23:13:53 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause2: 8.9485714285; 23:14:29 <Darkvater> RichK67_: well basically you don't rotate your buildings, only the hangar 23:14:30 <Digitalfox> We have a calculator in the channel .. :| 23:14:35 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> do try it please <-- displays u?o?ß just fine and I can enter that dir and save/load games 23:14:47 <Darkvater> or override with newgrf the rotate sprite ;p 23:14:59 <Darkvater> hmm, thanks Bjarni 23:15:02 <Darkvater> weird, weird 23:15:09 <Darkvater> I will need tron for this then...again 23:15:10 <Sacro> Digitalfox: is it me, or is that pipe red :\ 23:15:24 <Darkvater> one more thing 23:15:24 <Sacro> ooh, tis cleartype 23:15:29 <Brianetta> openttd: bridge_map.h:75: GetBridgeAxis: Assertion `IsBridgeMiddle(t)' failed. 23:15:29 <Brianetta> Aborted 23:15:31 <RichK67_> lol - DV - the small airport terminus is a multi-tile thing, so it doesnt translate well ;) 23:15:32 <Brianetta> Scenario edito 23:15:46 <Brianetta> Delete bridge, flatten land, hit expand town 23:15:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> that was weird, that sentence of Bjarni's did not display äö correctly... 23:15:49 <Darkvater> Bjarni: can you create a directory that is differently encoded in UTF-8 and UTF-8-MAX? 23:15:51 <RichK67_> anyway... do you like/do you want it cleaned up for inclusion in airports 2? 23:15:53 <Brianetta> That's as much as I can remember 23:15:56 <Bjarni> btw I never had problems using paths with chars like that. Only they failed to be displayed correctly 23:15:58 <Bjarni> hmm 23:16:10 <Bjarni> ok, maybe saving could cause problems 23:16:14 <Bjarni> can't remember 23:16:18 <Bjarni> anyway it works now 23:16:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C566.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:06 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: can you create a directory that is differently encoded in UTF-8 and UTF-8-MAX? <-- it's UTF-8-MAC and I just did 23:17:21 <Darkvater> no I mean really different 23:17:37 <Bjarni> ü is encoded as šu in UTF-8-MAC 23:17:38 <Darkvater> eg directory 'foobar' is the same in ISO9881 or whatever we used before and UTF8 23:17:50 <Darkvater> ah ok 23:17:55 <Darkvater> then i really need tron 23:18:54 <Bjarni> if I read UTF-8-MAC as UTF-8, then all chars are valid, but letters like "ü" are read "šu"... that's the difference 23:19:09 <Bjarni> or was it "uš".... can't remember 23:19:17 <Bjarni> but that's the idea 23:19:32 <Bjarni> makes searching faster, hence the reason they picked it for the filesystem 23:20:04 <Darkvater> apple guys are sick 23:20:13 <Darkvater> going incompatible so searching is 1% faster 23:20:32 <Bjarni> I think there is more than 1% to gain here 23:20:40 <Bjarni> otherwise they wouldn't have done so much to get it 23:21:05 <Darkvater> it's not like you/system is constantly searching. Plus the FS probably caches stuff 23:21:23 <KeeperOfTheSoul> i thought "šu" was valid utf? 23:21:31 <Darkvater> apple likes being special so I could believe they did it just for the fun of it 23:21:44 <Bjarni> <KeeperOfTheSoul> i thought "šu" was valid utf? <-- it is 23:21:44 <Darkvater> butta 23:21:47 <Darkvater> << bed 23:22:36 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 23:22:40 <Darkvater> RichK67_: I like the idea of rotating airports, but station_land is probably getting raped there. You can add all the preliminaries though without a problem 23:22:47 <RichK67_> DV: if you want to try the patch: http://ottd.rkhosting.co.uk/patches/apRotate_v1.patch 23:23:11 <RichK67_> and the .grf is http://ottd.rkhosting.co.uk/patches/airports_extended.grf 23:25:03 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x573559a8.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 23:26:24 <Darkvater> he, I was really sleeping already 23:26:24 <Darkvater> but 23:26:41 <RichK67_> :) 23:26:49 <Darkvater> RichK67_: in your diff you have w,h calc'd based on st->airport_orientation 23:27:08 <Darkvater> much better: w = size_x, h = size_y, if (orientation) intswap(w,h) 23:27:08 <RichK67_> yup 23:27:41 <RichK67_> ah ok - sounds neater... the function is intswap? 23:27:56 <Darkvater> well something like that :) 23:28:01 <Darkvater> autocomplete will help 23:28:05 <Darkvater> or it's swap() 23:28:07 <Darkvater> donnu 23:28:08 <Darkvater> gn 23:28:15 <RichK67_> gn - enjoy 23:29:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> i was under the impression this kind of helper-function was templatized 23:29:12 <RichK67_> int w = afc->size_x; 23:29:12 <RichK67_> int h = afc->size_y; 23:29:12 <RichK67_> if (orientation_rotated) intswap(w, h); 23:29:16 <mojs> Why cant I select electric trains in the replace all train engines utility ? 23:29:36 *** qfh [~qfh@static-ip-62-75-161-163.inaddr.intergenia.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:29:40 <RichK67_> playing in arctic? 23:29:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> mojs: ever tried selecting "electric trains" from the dropdown? 23:30:14 <RichK67_> also, no electric trains in normal arctic set... only in the newgrfs 23:30:48 <mojs> hmmm 23:30:50 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 23:31:50 <mojs> Eddi|zuHause2: you my frind just saved my day ;) 23:32:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> the day just hardly began :p 23:32:11 <mojs> Eddi|zuHause2: That dropdown was not there in the previus version i played... 23:32:17 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D19C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> that dropdown was there since the first version i remember 23:32:45 <RichK67_> if you want to upgrade the wagons, remember to reset it to rail vehicles... for some reason it doesnt see the wagon stats correctly otherwise 23:32:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> that was probably a year ago 23:33:36 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 23:34:31 <Bjarni> <mojs> Eddi|zuHause2: That dropdown was not there in the previus version i played... 23:34:33 <Bjarni> oops 23:34:41 <Bjarni> well, that's not right 23:34:53 <Bjarni> I added it in the very first version of that window 23:35:06 <Bjarni> and it has been there ever since 23:35:08 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CDB0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:35:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> RichK67_: the wagon thing should be fixed in trunk 23:35:17 <Bjarni> wagon thing? 23:35:20 <RichK67_> ah - ok 23:35:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> "electric" wagons 23:35:44 <RichK67_> if you leave the setting on electric vehicles, then the wagons werent displaying correctly 23:36:00 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498C9B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:36:00 *** qfh [~qfh@static-ip-62-75-161-163.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #openttd 23:36:02 <RichK67_> sounds like its old news 23:36:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> i hope Bjarni actually commited that 23:36:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> i can't remember 23:37:28 <Bjarni> <RichK67_> if you leave the setting on electric vehicles, then the wagons werent displaying correctly <-- I fixed that in my rewrite of the window and I just checked... nobody broke it 23:37:30 <Sacro> with him, you can never be sure 23:37:36 <mojs> Bjarni: Might be so, i never noticed it, as the eletric rail wasent there then.. 23:38:24 <RichK67_> bjarni: great - ive only seen it in the v0.5 RC series, not played a trunk game in ages 23:38:59 *** G0D [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 23:40:02 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:42:02 <RichK67_> gn all 23:42:12 *** RichK67_ [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [Quit: RichK67_] 23:45:36 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:29 <Brianetta> New game on Standard 23:49:29 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 23:50:22 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6B7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:55:14 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 23:56:06 *** G0D [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:06 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]