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00:06:03 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:08:27 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-83.41.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 00:09:06 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:12:44 <KritiK> !logurl 00:13:08 <Smoovious> ? 00:13:44 <Sacro> ? 00:13:57 <Smoovious> o.O 00:14:12 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 00:14:18 <Sacro> O.o 00:14:25 <Smoovious> <.< 00:14:45 <KritiK> sorry, wrong channel $) 00:14:47 <Sacro> >.> 00:14:57 <Smoovious> ..!., 00:15:27 <Sacro> ,.!.. 00:15:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r9074 /trunk/src/video/dedicated_v.cpp: -Codechange: win32 dedicated console now doesn't need an extra 'enter' to fully quit 00:18:40 <antichaos> well, I've successfully added my patch to the settings list and added the new properties to the savegame... 00:19:30 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-62-167-120-195.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 00:19:33 <antichaos> all that remains is to make the new properties do something 00:20:29 <antichaos> Unfortunately this turned out to be a bit easier than I was expecting, which means I'll actually have to follow through on it. 00:21:31 <Smoovious> uh huh 00:22:15 <antichaos> I was kinda hoping it would be too hard, and then I'd be forced to leave it and go do some real work 00:23:18 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-142-217-191.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 00:23:58 <Smoovious> sucks to be you then, huh 00:24:55 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-227-86.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:34:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:46:56 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-51-233.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:55:12 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D5F6.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:55:14 <Smoovious> what has to happen at this point for the patch to make it to the repository 00:55:52 <Sacro> Smoovious: black magic and bribary 00:56:01 <Sacro> or sneaking svn commtis when nobody is looking 01:01:58 <Smoovious> can't help with bribery... but I think I got enough dragon's blood and other stuff for the former 01:03:38 <Smoovious> and I don't have commit privs 01:21:20 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 01:21:20 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:22:29 <mikk36[EST]> damn, this time driver couldn't save me :( 01:22:32 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 01:22:40 <mikk36> win gave bsod 01:28:38 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-62-167-120-195.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:01:17 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 02:01:43 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01:47 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 02:04:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r9075 /trunk/src/ (industry.h industry_cmd.cpp table/build_industry.h): -Codechange: Cleanup of industry_cmd (Step-7). Small step that is. The new industry messages do not need a series of tests. Only one property to use. 02:15:34 <Smoovious> that figures... 02:15:48 * Smoovious fixes his patch. 02:17:19 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Have Fun ;D] 02:17:32 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 02:18:59 <Rubidium> Smoovious: I do not use MSVC, so I just guessed something you can set in Eclipse to be available in MSVC (not that I use Eclipse for OTTD coding either) 02:19:24 <Smoovious> Eclipse? 02:20:40 <Rubidium> http://www.eclipse.org/ 02:22:34 <Smoovious> looking at the page... but short-form... what's it for? 02:24:32 <Sacro> Smoovious: ecllipse? its an IDE 02:24:52 <Smoovious> for what? 02:25:03 <Sacro> Smoovious: anything, tis plugin based 02:25:30 <Smoovious> uh huh... 02:25:45 <Sacro> i use eclipse-cdt for C/C++ 02:25:47 <Smoovious> don't suppose there is less vagueness to it? 02:25:51 <Sacro> and phpclipse 02:25:55 <Sacro> and subclipse for svn 02:26:06 <Smoovious> but what does it actually DO 02:28:30 <Sacro> its a development environment 02:28:37 <Sacro> like Visual Studio 02:28:42 <Sacro> or Code::Blocks 02:28:47 <Sacro> or... emacs *shudders* 02:28:57 <Smoovious> oh... no thanks then... I'm good with what I have... 02:29:08 <glx> emacs is a tetris game :) 02:29:21 * Smoovious goes back to resolving the conflict between his patch and the commit belugas just did. 02:29:25 <Sacro> glx: emacs is almost an OS 02:29:55 * Sacro wonders if passing init=/bin/emacs would actually work 02:31:32 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75A95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:33:25 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 02:33:57 <Belugas_Gone> Smoovious, do you need help? it should be quite trivial to do 02:34:16 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:37:01 <Smoovious> nah, it isn't too bad a conflict... but one change you made looks like it directly affects one I made... I'm just updating it to reflect your change within mine 02:37:16 <Smoovious> no biggie 02:38:00 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B764AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:41:13 <Belugas_Gone> good 02:41:34 <Smoovious> wave 02:42:34 <Belugas_Gone> by the way, you could use trinary operations, as someone pointed out to me... 02:44:13 <Smoovious> trinary? 02:44:26 <glx> test?true:false 02:44:43 <Sacro|Laptop> :filenotfound :)# 02:44:49 <Smoovious> ahh... haven't got that far up the curveyet :D 02:44:58 <Belugas_Gone> yes, that someone :D 02:48:53 <Smoovious> so something like "_patches.news_new_industry ? NT_GENERAL : NT_ECONOMY" instead of the if...else? 02:49:05 <glx> exactly that 02:49:24 <Smoovious> ok, give it a shot... was hoping to do it that way initially, but couldn't find the syntax 02:49:43 <Smoovious> :D 03:01:46 *** AmpCoder [~AmpCoder@r41h97.res.gatech.edu] has joined #openttd 03:04:22 <Smoovious> hmm... still here Belugas? 03:08:49 <Smoovious> ok, well... in industry_cmd.cpp, a change Belugas made was to add 'ind_spc->new_industry_text', while the closing industry section uses 'indspec->closure_text'... the ind_spc one wasn't there before when I did my patch, and in trying to redo my patch to reflect the change, the mismatch of ind_spc and indspec looks wrong... any suggestions about which it should be? 03:14:58 *** mikk36|lap [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 03:15:09 <Belugas_Gone> i'm not entirely understanding your question... 03:15:11 <mikk36|lap> :) 03:15:25 <Belugas_Gone> new_industry_text is the new attribute i added, 03:15:38 <Smoovious> yeah 03:15:41 <Belugas_Gone> which is waht your patch sjhould use 03:16:07 <Belugas_Gone> now, ind_spc and indspec are variable names, so... 03:16:53 <Smoovious> and in the AddNewsItem() part, it now contains ind_spc->new_industry_text, where before it had a trinary... but, in the section for closing industries, the AddNewsItem() for that, uses indspec-> instead of ind_spc-> 03:17:06 <Smoovious> ok, so they _should_ differ then 03:17:08 <Belugas_Gone> ind_spc was added since i needed two accesses to the spec. 03:17:34 * Smoovious nods. 03:17:38 <Belugas_Gone> for the closure, it is another IndustrySpec variable name. 03:17:42 <Smoovious> ok, that was the only thing nagging at me 03:18:01 <Smoovious> I'll have a diff in a sec 03:18:31 <Belugas_Gone> like, i could have a foo int and a Foo int, as long as they are on two different functions... 03:19:04 * Smoovious nods. 03:19:09 <Smoovious> so long as it was intentional 03:21:14 <Smoovious> diff posted 03:22:40 *** AmpCoder [~AmpCoder@r41h97.res.gatech.edu] has left #openttd [] 03:41:01 <Belugas_Gone> Smoovious : ou have some tabs in your diff where spaces would be quite more adequate... 03:42:29 * Smoovious chuckles. 03:42:53 <Smoovious> I know I put some tabs in cuz someone said something about the spaces I used. :) so, which tabs specifically? 03:45:00 <glx> tabs for indent, spaces for comments aligning 03:45:20 <Smoovious> k 03:45:32 <Smoovious> I see them 03:45:51 <Belugas_Gone> + AddNewsItem( // includes : Between "(" and "//", twice 03:46:11 <Belugas_Gone> and 03:46:46 <Belugas_Gone> + bool news_new_industry; // Show : between "...try;" and "// Sho..." 03:46:53 <Smoovious> the bool 03:46:57 * Smoovious nods. 03:48:24 <Smoovious> diff posted 03:48:53 <Smoovious> so, general rule, only tab indents 03:53:52 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:54:05 <Belugas_Gone> yes 03:54:13 <Smoovious> good 'nuff 03:54:19 <Belugas_Gone> and space for comments, array aligment etc.. 03:54:34 * Smoovious nods. 03:54:40 <Smoovious> did that last diff check out? 04:03:11 *** jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:10:24 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:16:46 <Belugas_Gone> better looking, Smoovious 04:18:30 <Smoovious> okee good 04:26:12 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:28:14 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 05:06:20 <Belugas_Gone> aouch... 05:06:29 <Belugas_Gone> a cnahnge in window.h 05:06:34 <Belugas_Gone> fullre compile :( 05:07:19 <Smoovious> hmm? 05:14:58 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498D2A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:24:13 <Belugas_Gone> ho nothing, just a new widget type 05:32:48 <Belugas_Gone> tadam! 05:32:50 <Belugas_Gone> http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/news_gui.diff 05:33:10 <Belugas_Gone> what is boring, is that it does not change a think at all 05:33:17 <Belugas_Gone> visally, i mean 05:33:27 <Belugas_Gone> visually :S 05:33:42 <Belugas_Gone> where did i've learned to type???? 05:33:57 <Belugas_Gone> i know! i'm not suppored to type this late 05:34:02 <Belugas_Gone> so good night 05:40:55 <Smoovious> wave 05:43:19 *** roboboy_ [~leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:43:26 *** roboboy_ [~leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:09:18 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]] 06:24:39 *** roboboy_ [~leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:24:51 *** roboboy_ [~leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 06:39:14 *** Roel [~roel@e74036.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:42:20 *** Roel_ [~roel@e74036.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:07:42 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498DA8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:18:19 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:51:27 *** maddy [~maddy@86.75.135.146] has joined #openttd 07:52:20 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:16:30 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:23:55 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:27:13 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 08:33:42 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:34 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-62-167-120-195.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 09:06:18 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:07:24 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:11:08 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 09:14:42 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-62-167-120-195.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14:47 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:15:38 <roboboy> what ports need to be opened to run an openttd server? 09:16:59 <Rubidium> !openttd ports 09:17:04 <Rubidium> !openttd port 09:17:05 <_42_> Rubidium: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound) 09:19:45 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 09:23:45 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 09:28:36 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-152-172.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 09:30:22 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-152-172.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:04 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 09:37:43 <Alltaken> hi guys 09:37:48 <Alltaken> long time no IRC 09:39:02 <roboboy> hello 09:39:24 <roboboy> do town name grfs work in openttd? 09:41:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have never heard of those 09:42:26 <roboboy> i geuse i dont need em anyway 09:42:37 <roboboy> there are a few floating around 09:43:02 <roboboy> pikka made one for silly bu semi realistic Quensland names 09:46:00 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]] 09:46:32 <peter1138> how do you misspell "guess" as "geuse"? 09:47:21 <roboboy> bah 09:48:33 <roboboy> how many features are in branches at the moment? significant ones like newhouses. 09:48:50 <roboboy> not including 32bpp 09:49:11 <peter1138> 32bpp isn't significant? 09:49:53 <roboboy> it is but its going to take a while to be finished and it is more about graphics than gameplay 09:50:25 <blathijs> peter1138: If it wasn't significant, it wouldn't need to be excluded from the list of "significant branches", now would it? 09:50:49 <roboboy> newhouses is the same in a way but its in the current realm of grfs and it will be able to be used straight away 09:50:57 <peter1138> oh, ok :p 09:53:00 * roboboy hopes lord of the pigs will update subsidaries when the current major branches get merged 10:10:33 *** Nigel_ is now known as Nigel 10:11:46 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has joined #openttd 10:11:50 <Desolator> I found a bug =D 10:12:06 <MiHaMiX> Desolator: and it makes you happy? :P 10:12:14 <Desolator> yeah, it's funny 10:12:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9076 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#529]: the intercontinental airport used 'T-junction' runway sprites when there is no exit in the middle of the runway as in the city airport (skidd13). 10:12:18 <MiHaMiX> Desolator: anyhow, please report the bug at http://bugs.openttd.org/ 10:12:21 <Desolator> moving tunnels instead of trucks 10:12:37 <MiHaMiX> Desolator: ?? 10:13:05 <Desolator> some trucks have tunnels sprites... 10:13:29 <Desolator> first i'll upgrade to latest nightly 10:13:55 <MiHaMiX> Desolator: would be appreciated :) 10:14:58 <peter1138> hmm 10:15:01 <Desolator> partially fixed 10:16:01 <Desolator> http://www.playmenow.org/moving_tunnels.png 10:16:11 <Desolator> just 2 secs to upload 10:16:15 <Desolator> done 10:16:51 <peter1138> savegame? 10:17:02 <peter1138> not that i can look right now 10:17:58 *** mikk36|lap [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:18:02 <Desolator> i'm filling a bug report 10:18:10 <MiHaMiX> fileing? :) 10:20:00 <Desolator> whatever 10:20:44 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 10:22:36 <Desolator> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/670 10:23:27 <MiHaMiX> thanks for your bug report 10:23:33 <Desolator> no problem 10:24:17 <peter1138> it's perfectly okay to fill a bug report 10:24:24 <peter1138> empty ones are the worst... 10:24:43 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: yeah 10:24:58 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: but usualy the verb is 'file' for bug report :) 10:25:10 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: at least, I know so 10:25:31 <Desolator> doesn't matter as lnog as the required info is provided 10:25:39 <Desolator> *long 10:26:12 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> it might not be the greatest of idea to provide a newgrf.zip publicly if you don't know if you have the permission to publish them 10:27:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> s/idea/ideas/ 10:28:00 <Desolator> well...:"> 10:28:27 <MiHaMiX> developer will delete the file after he downloaded 10:28:36 <Desolator> I really doubt that people will come there just to get the newgrfs I use 10:28:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's not the point 10:29:15 <MiHaMiX> Eddi|zuHause2: without the GRF files in question we are unable to test the savegame 10:29:20 <Desolator> It's still better to provide one, since you don't even know what version the user has 10:29:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, but it should not be public... 10:29:33 <MiHaMiX> Eddi|zuHause2: and developer has other thing to do then crawling the web for a given newgrf 10:30:08 <Desolator> I didn't shout all over the palce "Hey, guys, go to bug report X and get newgrfs Y, Z, T, I, L, etc.." 10:30:13 <Desolator> *place 10:32:40 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 10:32:49 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 10:33:56 <Rubidium> Desolator: what is tempenh for newgrf? 10:35:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EEF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:35:48 <Desolator> removed the tiles on pure grass 10:35:52 <Desolator> *removes 10:36:34 <Rubidium> also seems to replace vehicles with tunnels 10:36:42 <Desolator> hmm... 10:36:48 <Desolator> *tests* 10:37:52 <Desolator> hmmm, now I need to din out who actually coded it 10:37:55 <Desolator> *find 10:45:32 <peter1138> buggy grf or buggy loading of grf? 10:46:24 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.43.192] has quit [] 10:56:04 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931e.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 11:06:51 <Rubidium> imho buggy GRF, because it replaces sprites that are definitelly within the big blob of vehicle sprites in trg1r.grf and the vehicles that get replaced are (without the grf) exactly the ones that correspond to the replaces sprites 11:07:31 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 11:07:50 <peter1138> but it replaces with tunnel sprites? 11:09:28 <Rubidium> yes, they are replaced with tunnel sprites 11:09:40 <peter1138> oh, i see 11:09:48 <peter1138> it's trying to replace landscape, not vehicles :) 11:10:06 <Rubidium> but it's actually replacing vehicles too 11:10:18 <Rubidium> but then it should happen in TTDP too (I guess) 11:10:25 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:11:13 <roboboy> does anyone have the grf so I can test it for you inttdp if you need it checking? 11:11:27 <peter1138> it's in the newgrf.zip package in the bug report 11:11:33 <peter1138> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/670 11:13:03 *** green-devil [~c@0x5733f1a0.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:13:35 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:46 <Rubidium> roboboy: check the DW Coal truck, Foster MkII Superbus or Perry Mail Truck (they all show up with tunnel parts in the new road vehicles window) 11:19:29 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-142-217-191.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:20:40 <roboboy> yep it occurs in the latest patch nightly 11:22:05 <Rubidium> ok, then we'll blame it on the buggy GRF 11:23:06 <peter1138> thanks roboboy 11:23:18 <peter1138> can i close? ;p 11:23:37 <Rubidium> peter1138: if you've got enough rights you can :) 11:23:49 <peter1138> of course i do 11:25:52 *** jordi [~jordi@pusa.informat.uv.es] has joined #openttd 11:36:06 <roboboy> do you guys know of any free programs that remove the vocals from a song? 11:36:38 <Tefad> it doesn't often work easily 11:36:49 *** illu [~illu@traffic-pirates.org] has joined #openttd 11:36:56 <illu> hi 11:37:15 * Rubidium knows there is/was some xmms plugin, but the amount of vocal removed was not that big 11:37:16 <Tefad> it assumes the vocals are coming out of both channels in the same phase. 11:37:29 <Tefad> (and intensity) 11:46:01 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: bye, Im going off] 11:47:22 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931e.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:49:22 <antichaos> what is happening about the cargo-packets branch? is it going to be done as part of the gamebalance stuff? 11:55:47 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931e.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:01:16 * roboboy bed soon 12:02:56 <peter1138> nothing is happening with cargo packets, afaik 12:03:12 <antichaos> now, or ever? 12:03:15 <peter1138> now 12:04:14 <roboboy> gnight 12:06:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EEF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 12:06:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EEF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:12 <antichaos> ok, I'll have to do the what-industries-are-around-the-originating-station thing 12:13:53 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-83.41.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? 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14:53:30 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:54:58 <Rubidium> should do so, at least it fixes the Czech one :) 14:56:00 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> narf... every time... i can't do "cd../.." like i used to under dos 15:01:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> - if (IsRailDepot(ti->tile)) { 15:01:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> + if ( IsRailDepot(ti->tile)) { 15:01:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> do i have to understand that change? 15:02:47 <Rubidium> no 15:07:00 *** carwe [~carwe@p54B37470.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:12:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9078 /trunk/src/elrail.cpp: -Codechange: coding style. 15:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, seems to apply to miniin with minor adjustments, now there is an additional pylon drawn before tunnel entrances 15:18:48 <hylje> Eddi|zuHause2: you can work around that by aliasing AFAIK 15:20:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> i had to delete the "PAL_NONE" from AddSortableSpriteToDraw, and it complained about mixed declarations and code, but it's not a big deal 15:20:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> seems to work fine 15:21:40 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: move the declaration to before the code and it will be ok foo C 15:21:44 <glx> *for 15:22:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, i made {} around it, so it's now at the start of a block ;) 15:22:14 <glx> works too :) 15:36:53 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:42:06 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 15:43:00 <Smoovious> is there a way I can look up the status of my patch? 15:43:43 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:10 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:24 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 15:44:43 <Smoovious> nevermind... TrueLight left a note on FS... basically thanks, but we'll do it ourselves... >sighs< 15:44:44 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:43 <Rubidium> Smoovious: putting that news item in another category doesn't solve the issue, because that other category will also be spammed with messages 15:48:15 <Rubidium> making a new category for this specific kind of news is the solution. 15:48:25 <Smoovious> spammed with what messages? 15:49:07 <Smoovious> and I didn't go creating news categories cuz last time I brought it up I got more negative than positive comments about it... so trying to keep from changing things too much, that seemed the simplest way 15:49:24 <Smoovious> hell, if I got the idea that I could reorganize the news system itself, I would have done that 15:50:22 <Smoovious> anyways... gonna revert and pick something else to work on... wouldja mind assigning FS#532 to me? 15:58:58 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:59:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:10:45 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:17:28 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:38 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:22:42 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 16:27:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83592.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:28:03 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:29:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B831AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:29:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:31:30 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 16:34:28 *** Purno__ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:38:02 *** OwenS [~OwenS@5ac0cdad.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:40:22 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3FAB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:25 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:45:57 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3E3B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:45:57 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51:14 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:55:33 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:58:36 *** Purno__ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:38 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:04 *** SwordFish [~asd@84-50-236-142-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 17:08:49 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.1.237] has joined #openttd 17:12:39 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:12:53 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 17:13:48 <mikk36> hey 17:13:50 <mikk36> Brianetta,here ? 17:14:58 *** carwe [~carwe@p54B37470.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:17:37 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:27 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-243-169.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:19:24 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:24:10 *** Purno__ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:28:56 *** Guest721 [~roland@ip82-139-93-183.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:39 <Guest721> hi all 17:29:59 <Guest721> i'm running openttd on ubuntu desktop 17:30:19 <Guest721> and I can't find the openttd.cfg file 17:30:36 <Guest721> or do they store it in another way, on ubuntu desktop? 17:30:51 <Guest721> it = game configuration 17:31:02 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.1.237] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:31:27 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:21 *** Guest721 is now known as nonamer 17:32:34 <Dominic> in another way to what? Probably in ~/.openttd/openttd.cfg 17:33:06 <Brianetta> mikk36: Here 17:33:34 <mikk36> atm in the coop server, there is some jap setup ? 17:33:53 <Brianetta> Don't know. Check the wiki. 17:33:56 <mikk36> hm,ok 17:34:03 <Brianetta> I haven't been on the sandbox since 0.5 came out. 17:34:05 <mikk36> although,i think i got my prob solver 17:34:08 <mikk36> solved* 17:34:12 <mikk36> found the previous grf setup 17:34:15 <mikk36> conf 17:34:31 <Brianetta> Have you joinrd #openttdcoop? 17:34:53 <Brianetta> That's the coop's channel 17:34:59 <nonamer> ah found it, thanks Dominic! 17:35:00 <mikk36> i know 17:35:06 <mikk36> but i'm hosting my own server 17:35:26 <nonamer> I'm a noob at these sort of executable dirs 17:35:34 <Brianetta> They're still more likely to be able to answer your questions about their setup 17:35:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:43 <nonamer> don't even know the right name for it 17:35:44 <mikk36> :) 17:35:58 <mikk36> will check there if in need 17:36:07 <mikk36> k, idle now 17:36:13 <mikk36> tdu time 17:44:15 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:22 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176122174.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:51:13 <Vikthor> Rubidium: Thank you for fixing FS#612 :) 17:51:56 *** nonamer [~roland@ip82-139-93-183.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:55:23 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:57:37 <dihedral> silly question, but i have to ask :-) 17:58:10 <dihedral> how bad would it actually be to have openttd run an executable at some point here or there? 17:58:31 <dihedral> rather than reading out a .src file 17:58:36 <dihedral> run a .sh file? 17:59:07 <Smoovious> ... 17:59:48 <dihedral> thinking linux here 18:00:40 <dihedral> eg the file scripts/on_server_connect.scr 18:00:59 <dihedral> whenever a client connects the contest are read and run as a console command 18:01:05 <Brianetta> dihedral: Search the forum for autopilot 18:01:14 <dihedral> i know autopilot 18:01:21 <dihedral> it's a wrapper 18:01:26 <Brianetta> So just get it to run a script when somebody connects 18:01:38 <Brianetta> or a binary 18:01:38 <dihedral> i am trying to avoid wrappers 18:01:49 <Brianetta> any reason? 18:02:16 <Brianetta> There's naff-all script engine in OpenTTD as it stands 18:02:19 <dihedral> i always prefere running something without a wrapper if it is doable 18:02:28 <Brianetta> Assume for a moment that it isn't doable 18:02:40 <Brianetta> You have a lot of C code to write and patch into OpenTTD 18:03:21 <dihedral> would it be so hard to check if the file scripts/on_server_connect.sh was there and run a system call? 18:03:27 <peter1138> might work as a socket type thing 18:03:50 <Brianetta> I doubt that platform specific code would be welcome 18:04:17 <dihedral> well - i was not thinking platform specific... was i? 18:04:24 <Brianetta> A shell script? 18:04:26 *** jordi [~jordi@pusa.informat.uv.es] has quit [Quit: reboot] 18:04:30 <dihedral> bat? 18:04:43 <Brianetta> That's also specific 18:05:03 <Brianetta> One can be called as a binary. The other must have its interpreter specified. 18:05:03 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-235-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:05:13 <Wolf01> hello 18:05:20 <dihedral> just a second 18:05:43 <dihedral> sh files can be called as executables - the same should be doable with batch files 18:05:48 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B78827.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 18:05:49 <Brianetta> not so 18:05:59 <dihedral> which one "not so" 18:06:05 <Brianetta> You have to start a cmd shell, and tell it to run the script 18:06:09 <Brianetta> the batch script 18:06:20 <Brianetta> Windows Explorer does it transparently 18:06:29 <Brianetta> but that's hardly surprising. 18:06:35 <dihedral> hehe 18:06:36 <dihedral> true 18:07:23 <Brianetta> I'd still go with the wrapper 18:07:30 <dihedral> well - it could still execute something else :-) 18:07:30 <Brianetta> Then you don't have to worry about process management 18:07:37 <Brianetta> or blocking the game until the process returns 18:07:45 <dihedral> fork 18:07:54 <Brianetta> fork, on Windows? 18:07:58 <Brianetta> Have you looked at it? 18:08:07 <dihedral> hehe 18:08:12 <dihedral> dont know much about win 18:08:16 <Brianetta> fork doubles up the running process 18:08:21 <dihedral> yeah 18:08:32 <dihedral> backgrounding? 18:08:42 <Brianetta> That's process management 18:08:45 <dihedral> again thinking more linux here 18:08:49 <dihedral> & 18:08:56 <dihedral> ie. /foo/bar& 18:09:04 <Brianetta> A wrapper can do it in a separate process 18:09:11 <Brianetta> Take my server 18:09:26 <dihedral> wrappers are nasty :-( (personal oppinion) 18:09:27 <Brianetta> the bit that processes the screenshot on ppcis.org/standard is external 18:09:53 <Brianetta> Database calls, IRC handling 18:10:01 <Brianetta> The game doesn't have to wait for this stuff 18:10:06 *** sai [~chatzilla@hyundai.csn.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #openttd 18:10:13 <dihedral> threads? 18:10:23 <Brianetta> and if it's on a multiple core machine, openttd (being intensive) is likely to have its own core. 18:10:24 <dihedral> i know that this would be some major work - just asking the q 18:10:38 <Brianetta> If you want threads, you'd have to reqrite the game some 18:10:42 <Brianetta> rewrite 18:10:48 <dihedral> yeah - know that 18:10:51 <Brianetta> It doesn't indulge in threads at all 18:10:59 <Brianetta> It blocks to autosave, etc 18:11:34 <dihedral> now - would it be worth a branch to make a threaded version? 18:11:35 <sai> hey guys, just playing openttd, and the computer keeps rearranging the terrain... is that normal? in a vast area... like 4 big places where it seems to be stuck in a loop 18:11:47 <Brianetta> sai: That's the AI. It's awful. 18:11:49 <dihedral> hehehehe 18:12:03 <sai> what happened? it wasnt in openttd 4.8 18:12:12 <Brianetta> dihedral: You could try. The dev team have always maintained that it's more work than they're prepared to commit to. 18:12:22 <Brianetta> 0.4.8? 18:12:27 <dihedral> that is a shame 18:12:31 <sai> or whatever, the version before 18:12:33 <Brianetta> Well, it's just getting steadily worse 18:12:52 <Brianetta> Good news is, somebody's working on a new AI 18:12:58 <sai> no but seriously, this game isnt playable anymore with that AI 18:12:59 <Brianetta> bad new is, it's not ready yet 18:13:02 <peter1138> it's a stupid bug which no-one's bothered to look into 18:13:15 <dihedral> just play multiplayer 18:13:17 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-142-217-191.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 18:13:21 <dihedral> they wont do that :-) 18:13:28 <Brianetta> dihedral: They will... 18:13:38 <sai> well, I am too bad for multiplayer 18:13:41 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:13:41 <peter1138> it's probably also the reason that it's slow on large maps 18:13:44 <Brianetta> sai: Of course you aren't 18:13:46 <dihedral> well - the nasty ones yeah 18:13:52 <peter1138> bah 18:13:59 <peter1138> where does one buy IEC power cables? 18:14:01 <Brianetta> sai: Most multiplayer servers are very friendly to newbies 18:14:15 <Brianetta> peter1138: I have access to three drawers full of them 18:14:20 <dihedral> check out some Fair Play games 18:14:23 <sai> k, i ll give it a try. 18:14:28 <peter1138> yeah, usually there are loads of 'e 18:14:30 <peter1138> +m 18:14:33 <sai> but it sounds clear, that this AI is broken, yeah? 18:14:34 <peter1138> but i appear to have run out 18:14:40 <Brianetta> sai: Pretty much, yes. 18:14:50 <dihedral> peter1138: run out of what 18:14:57 <Brianetta> IEC power cables, sai 18:15:04 <Rubidium> sai: the AI might do a little better on small maps (256x256) and the old map generator 18:15:06 <sai> what do you mean? 18:15:13 <sai> brianetta 18:15:32 <sai> ah, that'll be it, the map generator 18:16:01 <dihedral> you know you can spectate games for a bit before you join... 18:16:18 <dihedral> some people also let you join their company and help you out a little here and there 18:16:44 <peter1138> ah ha, £1.55 each 18:17:12 <dihedral> Brianetta: the reason i really am not a friend of wrappers is because they add another layer of possible errors :-) 18:17:49 <Brianetta> dihedral: I find that they add redundancy. autopilot can produce error after error, without affecting the game. 18:18:23 <Brianetta> Oooh, it's paused raining 18:18:25 <dihedral> but i have to restart the game to solve the issue 18:18:25 <Rubidium> and when the game crashes, autopilot might be able to restart it (or can't it?) 18:18:28 <Brianetta> I'm going to go home 18:18:40 <Brianetta> Rubidium: Not at the moment 18:18:55 <Brianetta> but you can examine its return code and add another wrapper... 18:19:09 <dihedral> great!!! 18:19:16 <dihedral> another wrapper.... 18:19:36 <dihedral> why not add the functionality directly to the game? 18:19:44 <Brianetta> Copyright reasons. 18:19:52 <dihedral> your copyright? 18:19:55 <dihedral> :-) 18:20:02 <Brianetta> I chose to write a wrapper after failing to beconvinced that the GPL was legally applied to OpenTTD. 18:20:22 <Brianetta> Rather than debate the matter, I just wrote a separate work. 18:20:24 <dihedral> why is that so 18:20:37 <Brianetta> It started off as TTD, reverse engineered/decompiled. 18:20:51 <dihedral> it is over 10 years old 18:20:52 *** SwordFish [~asd@84-50-236-142-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has quit [] 18:20:53 *** Purno__ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:56 <Brianetta> The owner of TTD has never been determined with complete configdence. 18:21:14 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip24.cab12.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:21:17 <Brianetta> Since copyright lasts for life of author +75 years, 10 years is nothing. 18:21:29 <Brianetta> Somebody owns it. 18:21:46 <Brianetta> That somebody is probably fine with OpenTTD as long as it doesn't threaten profit. 18:21:57 <dihedral> so 18:22:02 <dihedral> why not ask? 18:22:05 <Brianetta> But, you see, the GPL allows you to (for example) box the game up and sell it in shops. 18:22:12 <Brianetta> People have asked. 18:22:16 <dihedral> and? 18:22:17 <Brianetta> The main suspect is Atari. 18:22:27 <dihedral> what do they say? 18:22:27 <Brianetta> They can't even be bothered to check until they have good reason. 18:22:52 <dihedral> a good reason would be to bluff wanting to buy the copyright :-) 18:23:05 <Brianetta> Somebody made them an outright offer. 18:23:09 <Brianetta> Can't remember who. 18:23:13 <dihedral> result 18:23:27 <dihedral> they were not interested? 18:23:30 <Brianetta> The above. They didn't know if it was theirs, and didn't deem it worth the effort of checking. 18:23:51 <Brianetta> They probably acquired the rights with Microprose's other assets 18:23:58 <Brianetta> but they might not 18:24:09 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24:30 <dihedral> anybody against me trying to find out? 18:24:49 <Brianetta> Of course not. 18:25:06 <dihedral> how long has openttd been out? 18:25:16 <Brianetta> Not sure 18:25:20 <dihedral> and which country did it start in? 18:25:32 <Brianetta> Somewhere in Europe. 18:25:37 <dihedral> have a few loyer friends who still owe me a favour :-) 18:25:59 <Brianetta> Ludde was the nick of the guy who released the decompiled code as GPL 18:26:04 <peter1138> is that different to a lawyer? 18:26:08 <Brianetta> That act itself was very likely illegal 18:26:30 <dihedral> nope just spelling it the way i would pronounce it in german :-D 18:26:49 <dihedral> the question would be when it was released 18:26:59 <Brianetta> Why? 18:27:22 <dihedral> once you start doing something for some time without somebody complaining can have a hudge effect 18:27:31 <Brianetta> It's moot - the game wasn't released with the permission of th eowner 18:27:37 <dihedral> my mother once had a patent on something 18:27:53 <Brianetta> Patent law is separate 18:27:53 <dihedral> a company started producing - illegally 18:27:57 <dihedral> i know 18:28:21 <dihedral> to continue the story 18:28:44 *** Purno__ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:28:45 <dihedral> the company produced for quite some years without my mother noticing (which is silly enough i know) 18:29:11 <Brianetta> Sounds like many years of royalty payments 18:29:13 <dihedral> after a legal battle the result was the company being allowed to continue and make proffit 18:29:43 <dihedral> due to them having proof of making that product for a certain amount of years 18:29:58 <Brianetta> That definitely didn't happen in the US or UK then 18:30:03 <dihedral> nope 18:30:13 <Brianetta> where they'd have to prove they were making it since before you filed for a patent 18:30:32 <dihedral> same case here 18:30:43 <Brianetta> If you ahd a paten for 29 years, and they started making it 28 years ago, you'd win 28 years of royalties, back-dated 18:30:59 <Brianetta> It'd just be worse for the infringer 18:31:00 <dihedral> kinda 18:31:07 <Brianetta> better for the patent holder 18:31:21 <Brianetta> Of course, a year later the patent would have expired. 18:31:39 <dihedral> you get patents and pattern protections 18:31:43 <dihedral> etc 18:32:01 <Brianetta> The defence mounted against your mother's patent would have been laughed at here 18:32:26 <Brianetta> Stating tht they'd been doing it for a long time would have resulted in "Well, you owe us more then!" 18:32:32 <dihedral> well - what can you do - i personally would have never taken it that far :-) 18:33:02 <Brianetta> Anyway, I'm definitely of fhome now, it's getting quite dark 18:33:04 <dihedral> where are you from Brianetta if i may ask? 18:33:06 <Brianetta> back in a bit 18:33:08 <Brianetta> UK 18:33:19 <dihedral> ture - remember asking once 18:33:22 <dihedral> before 18:33:26 <peter1138> he's going home 18:33:27 <dihedral> cu 18:33:30 <peter1138> what a brilliant idea 18:33:36 <dihedral> i am home 18:33:43 <dihedral> and it's weekend :-) 18:35:58 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:36:24 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:39:17 <mikk36> how can i team-chat ? 18:42:13 <Mucht> strg+enter ? 18:42:21 <Mucht> else, try shift+enter 18:42:32 *** Purno__ [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:55:09 <mikk36> strg ? 18:55:25 <mikk36> aah, Ctrl-Enter 18:55:29 <mikk36> did the job 18:57:44 <dihedral> thinking admin side: what do you guys think of being able to see if a company is or is not protected 18:57:57 <dihedral> and having the ability to reset a password of a single company if so required 19:09:56 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 19:14:40 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:17:33 *** e1ko [~L@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:22:48 *** maddy [~maddy@86.75.135.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23:48 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.77.3] has joined #openttd 19:24:30 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:39 <Aitor> hi! 19:25:34 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE71.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 19:25:51 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [] 19:26:08 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 19:26:15 <Aitor> hi again... :-) 19:26:26 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:27:14 <Aitor> anyone knows where the new icons in the train depot are stored... i see red questionmarks and was uable to locate the file in the wiki 19:27:17 <Aitor> ? 19:28:12 <dihedral> have often the report that pm's done seem to work 19:28:26 <dihedral> has anybody else experienced this? 19:33:38 *** jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:18 <Rubidium> Aitor: how did you install OTTD? 19:35:25 <Rubidium> dihedral: what are you talking about? That sentence does not make any sense to me. 19:37:01 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-206-168.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:37:14 <Aitor> Rubidium: it's the OSX version, just dragged the .app into the application folder (as always) 19:37:31 <Aitor> rubi: actually i dragged the full openttd folder in the dmg (disk file) +own 19:37:55 <Aitor> s/+own/downloaded/ :) 19:39:34 <Smoovious> I suppose the daylength patch would affect the TextMessageDailyLoop() function? 19:40:07 <Aitor> Rubidium: how can I know wich file in the data folder is missing? I presume the images are new to OpenTTD so no problem there, ain't it? 19:40:36 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.118.149] has joined #openttd 19:40:46 <Rubidium> it's probably not missing them, it has an old version of the files in the data folder 19:40:57 <Aitor> "old version of the data files"? 19:41:13 <Rubidium> from a previous 'installation' 19:41:15 <Aitor> aren't they only coming from TTDX? 19:41:29 <Aitor> there is no installation (as is) 19:41:43 <Rubidium> so files are, others aren't, but the should be in the application bundle (the .app) 19:42:03 <Rubidium> *some 19:42:13 <Aitor> that's what i thougt 19:42:20 <Sacro|Laptop> Smoovious: dunno *shrugs* 19:42:38 <Aitor> ok i'll reconstruct the "installation" and check again 19:42:44 <Aitor> Rubidium: thanks 19:44:07 <Rubidium> you're welcome 19:44:12 <hylje> no problem 19:45:41 <Aitor> ruby: where can I see the names for the six original files of TTDX. Are they: sample.cat, trg1r.grf, trgcr.grf, trghr.grf, trgir.grf and trgtr.grf? 19:46:02 <Aitor> i meant, rubidium.. :-) 19:46:15 <Sacro|Laptop> Aitor: tab is your friend 19:46:25 <Aitor> yep 19:46:26 <Aitor> :D 19:52:00 <Aitor> Rubidium: ok, its fixed.. thanks all... :-) 19:55:47 <dihedral> private messages have to reached their destination... 19:55:59 <dihedral> Rubidium: they never seem to have arrived... 19:56:02 <Aitor> bye! 19:56:04 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.118.149] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 19:56:06 <dihedral> client to client ones 19:58:42 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #openttd [] 20:04:38 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.77.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:20 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:18 *** Roel [~roel@e74036.upc-e.chello.nl] has left #openttd [Bye Bye addiction] 20:33:33 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:44:17 *** petererer [~peter@217.151.109.201] has joined #openttd 20:44:29 *** petererer is now known as peter1139 20:45:12 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:45:18 *** peter1139 is now known as peter1138 20:52:37 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-184-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:57:35 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EEF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:30 *** green-devil [~c@0x5733f1a0.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 21:14:53 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 21:15:49 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 21:20:31 *** HMage` [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 21:22:23 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:40:20 *** adman_500 [~adman500@88-110-199-222.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 21:40:57 <adman_500> helo 21:41:06 <adman_500> hello* 21:42:28 *** adman_500 [~adman500@88-110-199-222.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #openttd [] 21:43:32 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-151-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:43:35 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-151-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 21:43:58 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-151-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:44:34 <BobingAbout> 0.5.0 is out? when did that happen? 21:45:10 <BobingAbout> don't talk to me then 21:45:15 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-151-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 21:45:21 <valhallasw> LOL 21:46:30 <hylje> :o 21:46:51 <peter1138> Seems great advice to m 21:46:53 <peter1138> +e 21:47:57 <dihedral> is it normal that when in playing coop one player openes a window watching a train and it openes for me too? 21:48:44 <hylje> no 21:51:10 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B78827.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [] 21:51:26 <dihedral> strange 21:51:58 <dihedral> i'm playing with someone right now and train viewing windows popup open all the time - trains he has just built 21:54:51 <Smoovious> that actually sounds kinda cool... and maybe somehow can keep that behavior and expand it to other windows... would be excellent for teaching someone how to play to be able to see what windows they have up 21:55:18 *** HMage` [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Quit: HMage`] 21:56:57 <peter1138> there's probably a bug that checks for the player instead of the client 21:57:05 <Smoovious> ya 21:57:16 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 22:00:46 <dihedral> true 22:01:01 <dihedral> but should be possible to disable 22:01:17 * Smoovious nods. 22:06:34 *** Viktho1 [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 22:06:35 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:43 <Wolf01> night 22:11:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-235-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:12:41 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:16 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:32:48 * valhallasw gets suicidal because of the weird C++ behaviour he is seeing 22:34:05 <KUDr> c++ must get suicidal from what you are doing :) 22:36:10 <dihedral> perhaps c++ gets suicidal from seeing you :-D 22:37:36 <valhallasw> well 22:37:49 <valhallasw> I've got a template<class T> LinkedList class 22:38:08 <valhallasw> and I'm getting linker errors like 22:38:09 <valhallasw> ./List/List.o(.text+0x144):C:/user/valhallasw/workspace/chomp/Debug/../List/List.cpp:61: undefined reference to `LinkedList<int>::~LinkedList()' 22:38:33 <glx> missing destructor? 22:38:44 *** e1ko [~L@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: bye, Im going off] 22:38:52 <valhallasw> template<class T> 22:38:53 <valhallasw> LinkedList<T>::~LinkedList() { this->remove(); 22:38:53 <valhallasw> } 22:38:56 <valhallasw> not really 22:39:33 <KUDr> valhallasw: do you have implementation in the same header file where the class is defined 22:39:35 <KUDr> ? 22:39:43 <valhallasw> what do you mean? 22:40:18 <KUDr> if you have your implementation in the same header where the class is declared 22:40:20 <valhallasw> LinkedList.h has template <class T> class LinkedList {(...) ~LinkedList(); (...) }; 22:40:39 <KUDr> declaration 22:40:40 <valhallasw> the implementation is in de cpp file 22:40:44 <KUDr> tha is the problem 22:40:55 <KUDr> it is template 22:41:02 <KUDr> must be in the same file 22:41:15 <valhallasw> erm 22:42:13 <KUDr> actually g++ is more tollerant. You can have it in different files 22:42:38 <valhallasw> hmmm 22:42:41 <KUDr> but you can't have method body in one cpp and use it from another 22:43:07 <KUDr> template is like macro from that point of view 22:43:14 <valhallasw> so... LinkedList<T>::remove() should be in the same file as where I use it? 22:43:26 <valhallasw> like in another class where I want to do list.remove()? 22:43:59 <KUDr> simply template library should be all in header files 22:44:20 <KUDr> MSVC requires it to be in the same file as declaration 22:44:32 <valhallasw> so I should include "LinkedList.cpp"> 22:44:50 <KUDr> while in g++ you can have declaration in one header and definition (methods) in another one 22:45:16 <KUDr> heh yes, it can help (include LinkedList.cpp) 22:45:27 <KUDr> but still it is not fully correct 22:45:38 <KUDr> look into stl library how it is made 22:46:10 <KUDr> one file containing whole the class (including method bodies) 22:47:08 <sai> hey guys, the coal mine says, I only carry ~80%, even if there is always at least 1 train at the station taking everything the coal mine produces... 22:47:08 <valhallasw> okay 22:47:42 <sai> I mean, how to reach the 100% ? 22:47:43 <valhallasw> sai: using newer vehicles, faster trains etc helps with the rating 22:47:51 <valhallasw> but the rating system is just plain... weird 22:47:57 <KUDr> sai: yes, it is so. You will never haul 100% 22:48:03 <sai> aha 22:48:03 <valhallasw> KUDr: so.. right, everything in the .h 22:48:06 <valhallasw> *sigh* 22:48:06 <sai> thanks 22:51:48 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9079 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Codechange: add WWT_LAST widget when dynamically building cargo payment graph 22:56:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9080 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Codechange: dynamically build cargo filter buttons in the station list window. 22:57:57 <peter1138> hmm 22:58:08 <peter1138> maybe UINT32_MAX doesn't exist everywhere... 22:58:15 <peter1138> nevermind :p 23:01:48 *** peter1138 [~peter@217.151.109.201] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:02:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EEF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:20:15 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-26.85.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 23:23:59 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:24:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 23:26:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: KUDr * r9081 /trunk/src/ (station_gui.cpp stdafx.h): -Fix(r9080): UINT32_MAX is undefined on MSVC. Use std::numeric_limits<uint32>::max() instead. 23:29:32 *** OwenS [~OwenS@5ac0cdad.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:38 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-45-77.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 23:47:14 <DJ-ProsiT> can anyone tell me what Raiway waypoints are good for? 23:47:54 <glx> to help the pathfinder 23:48:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> for example you can have all slow trains take another route than the fast trains 23:49:04 <Smoovious> say you got one station, that is an irregular size/shape... you use the waypoints to make sure the trains take a certain route, so the 12-tile-length train doesn't end up trying to go to the 8-tile-length platform, but the 12-tile-length platform 23:50:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> actually, YAPF does something like that automatically 23:50:06 *** condee [rnywuj@189.12.182.79] has joined #openttd 23:50:36 <Smoovious> it was just an example, Eddi|zuHause2 23:50:43 <Bjarni> I tend to place them after a fork so I control what trains using which fork even though both forks leads to the same station. This way one is deliveries and the other one is pickup. This prevents the case where the station is full of trains waiting for steel, but it will not produce any steel because the station is blocked so no iron is arrives 23:50:59 <Bjarni> -is 23:51:01 <Smoovious> but ok, so the 8-tile-length passenger train doesn't try to unload at the 12-tile-length coal loading platform 23:51:07 * Bjarni wonders why he wrote is 23:51:53 <Bjarni> I didn't include it in the sentence when I decided how to say this and I didn't notice it before I pressed enter 23:51:58 <Smoovious> you were probably thinking delivered and changed your mind at the spacebar 23:52:19 <Bjarni> maybe it was a "!dropped" package and a computer somewhere decided to add it :P 23:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd place "ore" at that point 23:52:47 <Smoovious> just trying to show you its in control :D 23:53:08 <Bjarni> whatever 23:53:24 <Bjarni> I guess I should head for bed now before I start to mess up stuff 23:53:29 <Bjarni> like my next commit 23:53:30 <Smoovious> wave 23:56:53 <DJ-ProsiT> hmm so basically place it in long stretches to help the train ;P 23:57:10 <DJ-ProsiT> and also infront of diff size stations to help it go to the right one 23:58:41 <Smoovious> um, yeah... anywhere where you want trains to take a specific route...