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00:00:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9273 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (6 files): [NoAI] -Documentation: finished documenting the last few files; they should now be readable for any non-programmer. 00:17:48 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 00:20:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r9274 /branches/newhouses/ (29 files in 5 dirs): [newhouses]-Sync with trunk r9132:r9273 00:21:57 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23:16 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-248-242.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]] 00:24:52 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC4C27.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:25 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: fancy a race? 00:33:09 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 00:34:38 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:36:01 <ammler> !openttd bark 00:36:03 <_42_> ammler: bark bark bark woef woef grrrrr 00:36:11 <ammler> gn all 00:49:21 <Smoovious> http://qdb.us/13734http://qdb.us/13734 00:49:24 <Smoovious> oops 00:49:25 <Smoovious> http://qdb.us/13734 00:51:00 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 01:00:56 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-34-131.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:30 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp83-237-101-200.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:08:26 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-34-131.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 01:23:39 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB5893.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:30:14 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB619C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:43:06 * Smoovious drops a pin. 01:49:24 * Twofish runs for it... 01:56:43 * Eddi|zuHause2 wakes up from loud noise 01:58:12 <Twofish> did I make the noise ? 01:58:38 <Twofish> ... running ... 02:22:25 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl8-40-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:27:46 <Nigel> hmmm, an interesting feature, would be to be able to assign trains (esp those without orders), to different depots 02:28:25 <Nigel> (i.e., you have 5 trains without set orders, you are opening a new line, you move the trains at an off peak time 02:30:47 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54b76e7b.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:55 <Smoovious> personally, I like running some vehicles without orders anyways, but it doesn't work so well right now... things like having a few random road vehicles to have some random traffic... or with some of the GRF's, have a useless work-train running around, as if to different repair spots or something 02:34:00 <Smoovious> I could see having random orders for airports too... like, set a plane with 4 airports in the schedule... and at the bottom where it says End of Orders, and Shared Orders... maybe be able to change it to Random Orders, and whenever a plane leaves one of the destinations, pick one of the others at random to go to next 02:35:07 <Nigel> yeah, that'd be neat for passenger networks 02:35:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> i kinda fail to see how that could be useful 02:36:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> just make 2 planes mit slightly altered order of orders 02:36:53 <Smoovious> so what? not all ideas have to pass a test that it is only useful to us if Eddi|zuHause2 says it is... we'd like it... it doesn't matter if you see it useful or not 02:37:12 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54b7549f.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:38:02 <Smoovious> jeez... getting tired of hearing people's desires being shot down all the time, just cuz someone else wouldn't use it... 02:38:15 * Smoovious goes back to working on subsidies. 02:50:26 <Nigel> Smoovious: I agree with you there 03:38:19 <Nigel> hmm, I take it the drive in bus stops are indeed known as broken (MiniIN) 03:38:44 <Smoovious> well... not so much broken, as... there are some issues... 03:39:05 <Smoovious> like with pathfinding, other traffic is detouring around them instead of just driving straight through... 03:39:40 <Nigel> thats correct (how I read) 03:39:55 <Smoovious> could stand to have non-stop orders on road vehicles for them... would also be handy for those times where a road vehicle will accidentally stop in the wrong depot, say for road construction, or a road got removed somewhere 03:40:01 <Nigel> I have 3 drive thrus in a row, and they only use the first 03:40:29 <Smoovious> yeah, the pathfinder only knows about the parking stations... 03:40:41 <Smoovious> when it comes to choosing which one to go to that is 03:41:12 <Smoovious> the drive-through ones shouldn't need too much of that anyways... they aren't meant for parking and waiting... 03:41:55 <Smoovious> still tho... it should choose from more than one 03:42:02 *** Sacro_ [Ben@87.102.80.216] has joined #openttd 03:42:15 <Smoovious> oh no! its Sacro_! 03:42:56 <Sacro_> lies 03:45:55 <ThePizzaKing> on no! It's *not* Sacro_ :o 03:46:03 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489FAF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:47:10 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:47:57 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:48:01 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 03:51:21 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489DB94.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:53:42 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 03:56:18 <Smoovious> see? it isn't 04:00:39 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.216] has joined #openttd 04:05:30 *** john_ [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 04:09:20 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:12:15 <Sacro> oh noes 04:12:19 <Sacro> john_: do you not sleep? 04:27:49 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:45:24 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:49:22 *** LOLERSKATES [qweeasd@cpe-075-183-162-181.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 04:49:23 <LOLERSKATES> DCC SEND 0123456789123456 04:49:26 *** LOLERSKATES [qweeasd@cpe-075-183-162-181.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 04:50:02 <Sacro> wtf? 04:50:58 <ThePizzaKing> that was random 04:52:41 <Smoovious> lame too 04:56:24 <Sacro> yes, had it worked then Twofish would have gone 05:04:05 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:07:14 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:21:18 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip167.cab14.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 05:25:34 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip63.cab59.mus.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:35:08 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip167.cab14.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 05:35:24 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip167.cab14.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 05:59:01 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:02:43 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 06:14:28 *** Netsplit osmotic.oftc.net <-> oxygen.oftc.net quits: Nigel, ammler, TheMask96, mikk36, @Bjarni, Prof_Frink, raimar2 06:14:37 *** Netsplit over, joins: mikk36, raimar2, ammler, Prof_Frink, @Bjarni, Nigel, TheMask96 06:23:25 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp253-229.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 06:23:27 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp253-229.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [] 06:24:28 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip167.cab14.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:25:32 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip167.cab14.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 06:40:25 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp253-229.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 06:40:26 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp253-229.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [] 06:48:05 *** john__ [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 06:51:49 *** john_ [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:10:39 *** john__ is now known as lolman 07:15:08 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 07:29:24 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:29:36 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:34:02 *** john_ [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:37:12 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp253-229.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 07:37:14 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp253-229.lns3.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [] 07:37:40 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:45:15 *** carwe [~carwe@p54B36A52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:53:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-235-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:54:24 <Wolf01> hello 07:57:47 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 07:59:25 <peter1138> hmm 07:59:27 <peter1138> lo 08:09:42 *** Netsplit osmotic.oftc.net <-> oxygen.oftc.net quits: john_, Nigel, TheMask96, ammler, @Bjarni, Prof_Frink, raimar2 08:11:14 *** Netsplit over, joins: john_, raimar2, ammler, Prof_Frink, @Bjarni, Nigel, TheMask96 08:11:16 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB5893.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^2] 08:12:19 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pd9eb5893.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:14:04 <Smoovious> o/ 08:15:10 *** john_ [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:24:55 <HMage> netsplit, sire 08:25:51 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:44:51 *** HMage` [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 08:44:53 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@i5387E23E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:47:19 <imaginner> yaaay 08:48:26 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:50:59 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:53:19 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 08:56:58 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@i5387E23E.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:04:30 *** carwe [~carwe@p54B36A52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 09:04:30 *** HMage` [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:06:41 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 09:22:50 *** HMage` [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 09:24:48 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 09:27:15 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:35:26 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:35:40 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p5090B0EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:42:45 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 09:49:57 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:54:33 <[gen2]niki> hi :D 09:54:35 <[gen2]niki> anyone here? 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11:59:38 *** imaginner [~imaginner@acmq107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:59:38 *** [1]imaginner is now known as imaginner 12:06:59 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:07:29 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 12:07:50 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387E2B7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:14:42 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E23E.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:16:52 <Taikaponi> Towns grow through tunnels nowadays yes? 12:16:56 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Words get written, words get twisted, old meanings change in the drift of time.] 12:17:52 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has joined #openttd 12:18:07 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 12:19:12 <Rubidium> Taikaponi: they always did 12:19:30 <Taikaponi> kk, i remember there was a bug with it 12:21:49 <Rubidium> yes, it could be seen as buggy behaviour 12:23:54 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-137-191-156.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:24:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DD2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:01 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 12:29:14 <Ailure> This is a questiong that probaly been asked before but 12:29:26 <Ailure> what's stopping from increasing the number of max companies possible? 12:30:33 <Rubidium> a badly implemented multiplayer gui? 12:30:43 <Ailure> lol 12:31:00 <Ailure> well asking becuse of multiplayer reasons 12:31:03 <Ailure> <_< 12:31:25 <Rubidium> I've got no real idea why it isn't done 12:31:33 <Ailure> me neither 12:31:56 <Rubidium> probably the networking stuff was developed with one player per company in mind 12:32:10 <Ailure> I would be intrested hearing a good reason :/ 12:32:16 <Ailure> well, 8 companies is the orginal limit too 12:32:18 <Ailure> since orginal TT 12:32:23 <Ailure> max player limit is 10 12:33:03 <Rubidium> hmm, am I mixing companies and players once again? 12:34:13 <Ailure> maybe 12:35:01 <Rubidium> or was it that somebody once said that incrementing the company limit to 16 isn't the solution, but that the limit should be virtually removed, i.e. about 250 companies should be possible 12:35:28 <Rubidium> anyway, there is an issue with company color above 16 companies IIRC 12:36:25 <Ailure> I counted to 17 colours 12:36:53 <Ailure> number of colours is understandable 12:37:12 <Ailure> maybe it should be like, virtually unlimited codewise, but limited to the number of colours until that's fixed 12:37:13 <Rubidium> ofcourse all the graphs will become hugely cluttered with that many companies 12:37:22 <Ailure> they already are :O 12:37:43 <Ailure> Or usually someone (usually me in multiplayer games xD) are way far ahead of everyone else 12:38:05 <Rubidium> I count 16 company colors 12:38:26 <Ailure> hmm 12:38:28 <Ailure> now I do too 12:38:32 <Ailure> oh 12:39:06 <Ailure> sadf 12:39:10 <Ailure> now I see why I counted wrong 12:39:27 <Ailure> I only counted the colours that weren't taken already 12:39:37 <Ailure> xD 12:39:47 <Ailure> But my own color isn't covered by the "taken" mark 12:40:38 <Ailure> this AI branch looks very intresting for me :) 12:40:46 <Ailure> Right now i'm just waiting for the Win32 support to work apparently 12:40:48 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 12:41:54 * Rubidium wonders whether you can write a more useful AI in it than our AIs :) 12:42:04 <Rubidium> at least at its current state :) 12:46:35 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:46:50 <Ailure> I see what I can do 12:46:52 <Ailure> But to be honest 12:46:57 <Ailure> I have no experience at all with AI's 12:46:58 <Ailure> xD 12:47:11 <Ailure> expect for messsing around with a ircbot, but it was a very primitive one 12:47:15 <Ailure> i'm intrested in the subject though 12:47:21 <Ailure> and know some methods used 12:47:28 <Rubidium> to be honest, you can only change the amount of loan and the name of the AI in the current state :) 12:48:34 <Ailure> ahahaha 12:48:44 <Ailure> I think I found a straneg bug 12:48:59 <Ailure> though it might been fixed 12:49:22 <Ailure> And tta's fine for me :P 12:49:31 <Ailure> I want to be involved from the start xD 12:49:32 <Ailure> kinda 12:50:02 <Ailure> I did take a quick look at the API 12:50:14 <Ailure> mostly basic stuff though 12:50:19 <Ailure> but it just started after all 12:50:51 <hylje> the hardest part of the ai is to make it connect things with low terraforming? 12:51:31 <Ailure> yeah 12:51:39 <Ailure> Peoåple don't want to see mudslides in their games <_< 12:52:04 <Ailure> hmm 12:53:36 <Ailure> well yeah 12:55:06 <Ailure> very limited indeed 12:55:15 <Ailure> but it's a start :) 13:19:01 <[gen2]niki> hi 13:19:07 <[gen2]niki> i wanted to ask how i could help openttd 13:19:08 <[gen2]niki> :O 13:19:41 <[gen2]niki> are there things where you need help on that dont require too immense technical skills 13:22:23 <Sacro> yeah course, what are you good at? 13:24:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> you could always just donate money ;) 13:25:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> pick two guys, and pay them full time ;) 13:30:39 <lolman> oh noes 13:31:04 * lolman killed his pacman DB...looking at a reinstall 13:31:23 <Sacro> lolman: how? 13:31:36 <lolman> Deleted wrong files 13:31:41 <Sacro> XD 13:31:53 <Sacro> you could just try pacman -S'ing everything back 13:32:11 <lolman> When I have no DB to look at the packages from? 13:32:21 <lolman> Kinda hard 13:32:28 <Sacro> true 13:32:35 <Sacro> download pacman and tar -xjf -C / 13:32:38 <Sacro> err 13:32:40 <Sacro> -xzf 13:32:58 <lolman> If ya can find me a link to a pacman tar 13:33:02 <lolman> lol 13:33:33 <Sacro> check /var/cache/pacman/pkgs 13:33:40 <lolman> Cleared 13:34:06 <Sacro> you really screwed up there 13:34:11 <lolman> Yup 13:34:38 <Sacro> ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/current/os/i686/pacman-2.9.8-4.pkg.tar.gz 13:34:48 <lolman> :) 13:35:10 <Sacro> though a reinstall _might_ be better 13:37:47 <lolman> No DB still :( 13:38:55 <Sacro> err 13:38:58 <hylje> rebuild it 13:39:07 <Sacro> hylje: you cant i dont thin 13:39:11 <Sacro> *think 13:39:21 <hylje> does that mean you can? 13:40:51 <lolman> I'll reinstall later 13:42:44 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:44:20 <lolman> brb 13:46:43 <Ailure> blackhole? 13:46:48 <Ailure> eh wait wrong channel xDD 13:47:53 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:49:22 <Born_Acorn> How dare you|! 13:49:29 * Born_Acorn is offended by black holes 13:49:32 * Born_Acorn cries 13:51:18 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-137-191-156.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:21 <Ailure> lol 13:57:31 <Ailure> eh there's a user with that name on another channel 13:58:30 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11:30 <valhallasw> black holes \o/ 14:14:45 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has left #openttd [] 14:18:17 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:19:36 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip167.cab14.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:20:46 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip167.cab14.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9276 /branches/noai/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Fix: make NoAI and SQNoAI run their code again, by simulating a GameLoop() 14:27:34 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:27:54 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 14:27:59 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 14:27:59 <Born_Acorn> !logs 14:31:43 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:34 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-34-98.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:51:38 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-226-4.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 14:56:08 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:01:55 *** Renacor [~kvirc@p54B9E209.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:02:04 <Renacor> hi 15:02:20 <Renacor> how can I enable pre-signals? 15:02:43 <Wolf01> ctrl when placing signals 15:03:07 <Renacor> ahh k thanks 15:03:14 <Wolf01> first you need to place the signal 15:03:40 <Wolf01> you'll get a semaphore instead if there isn't any signal on the tile 15:08:47 <Renacor> i see 15:08:51 <Renacor> thanks 15:11:09 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:13:28 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:13:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:13:44 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 15:17:28 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-137-191-156.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:20:03 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:45 *** rane [~rane@a91-152-163-231.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:25:49 <rane> Is it normal for Terra Genesis generated maps to have no forests in sub-arctic maps? 15:26:29 <Rubidium> if there aren't enough snowy areas it is normal 15:26:39 <Rubidium> because forests need to be above the snowlines 15:27:54 <rane> good point.. 15:30:08 *** Lenny [lenny@r52s08p01.home.nbox.cz] has joined #openttd 15:30:57 *** Lenny is now known as Guest172 15:31:30 *** Guest172 [lenny@r52s08p01.home.nbox.cz] has quit [] 15:32:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9277 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#685]: shared orders got messed up when the 'first' trains got removed in the depot. 15:33:21 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-1554.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: edgepro: Sanity is a full time job.] 15:48:55 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 15:52:38 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:53:39 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:18 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9278 /branches/noai/ (11 files in 3 dirs): 16:02:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: added AISettings which adds the function to control the Delay-value on DoCommands 16:02:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Add: added AIExecMode and AITestMode which allows to switch the DoCommand mode 16:02:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9279 /branches/noai/projects/ (openttd.vcproj openttd_vs80.vcproj): [NoAI] -Fix r9278: forgot to generate project-files 16:12:35 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 16:15:48 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:17:37 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4FCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:58 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:31:05 *** wood [~wood@kr-lun-177-146-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #openttd 16:33:16 <wood> I have a question regarding a "bug" in the company value calculations. When calculating the company value the value of shared in other companies is not included, is there a fix for this problem? 16:33:29 *** maad [~emade@83.15.80.18] has joined #openttd 16:34:31 <wood> *shares 16:34:37 <Rubidium> no, but a counter question: should the value of the shares be 25% of the company value including the shares in other companies? 16:35:23 <wood> yes, I think so beacus if not this can be exploted to increase your own company value 16:35:42 <wood> to generate mony that did not exist before 16:36:23 <Smoovious> that's the whole point of 'profit' tho 16:37:10 <wood> no but if you are three palyers tow of the can get togeter and generate a lot of monye (milions or billions) in verry short time 16:37:43 <Rubidium> Y has 75% shares in company X and X has 75% shares in company Y. Company X and Y are worth 1.000.000 without adding the value of the shares (current company value). How much are company X and Y worth after adding the value of the shares (company value according to wood)? 16:37:44 <Smoovious> yes... we call that behavior 'cheating'... 16:37:52 <Smoovious> I ban people cheating that way 16:38:31 <Rubidium> cvX = cvX + cvY * 0.75 16:38:39 <Rubidium> cvY = cvY + cvX * 0.75 16:39:25 <Rubidium> oh, that's wrong 16:39:32 *** maad_ [~emade@82.160.115.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:32 <SpComb> they are both worth infinitely much 16:39:48 <Rubidium> cvX = 1.000.000 + cvY * 0.75, cvY = 1.000.000 + cvX * 0.75 16:40:14 <Rubidium> SpComb: theoretically true, practically both companies will be worth quite a lot more than the current company value 16:40:16 <SpComb> in fact, you get infinite recursion because to calc the value of company X you need to know the value of company Y which requires you to know the value of company X... 16:40:56 <Smoovious> when someone buys shares in a real company, where does the money spent for the shares go? and in game, when shares are bought... where does that money go? 16:40:57 <wood> hemmm.... good point. 16:41:23 <Rubidium> i.e. the shares system is totally broken at the moment 16:42:09 <wood> :) I guess I'm not the first one to discover this. I only wonderd if there was a way around this problme. 16:42:16 <wood> expet bannin ofcurse 16:42:18 <Smoovious> I don't think shares should count in company value... a company's value, should only be about that individual company... whatever shares it is holding, are owned by them, but aren't necessarily part of the company... just part of its holdings... 16:42:40 <Rubidium> yes 16:42:50 <Rubidium> patch allow_shares = 0, i.e. disabling shares 16:43:06 <wood> ok 16:43:17 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3D456.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:05 <Rubidium> though a long-term solution would be to not allow circular share holding, i.e. X has shares of Y and Y has shares of X 16:45:08 <SpComb> I'm not an economist :P 16:46:23 <Smoovious> so companyX is worth valueX... companyX's assets/holdings in companyY are worth valueY*(shares%)... when figuring company value, only the first should be taken into account 16:46:46 *** Tron [~tron@p54a3f3de.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:46 <wood> and aa even more complicatd calculation if more companies was involved 16:48:16 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 16:49:50 <Smoovious> perhaps charge a trading fee too... you buy some shares, a couple % dissapears for the brokerage... you sell some, same thing... 16:50:31 <SpComb> or you could let companies patent certain track/station configurations and then license them to other players or sue for patent infringemnt 16:50:41 <Smoovious> maybe limit how much you can purchase per game day... 1 tick per day... it might not do much right now with 1 tick being 25%... but... if shares were changed to 1% increments... ... 16:57:48 *** Renacor [~kvirc@p54B9E209.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:12 <Ailure> hmm 16:59:18 <Ailure> I should make a list of common newbie mistakes 16:59:20 <Ailure> in openTTD << 16:59:37 <Ailure> (Since I introduced and tutored the game to alot of people recently) 16:59:43 <Smoovious> gonna need a whole seperate server running a wiki for that 17:00:33 <wood> sorry, but I still have one more question regarding the company valuy. In the exampel earlier we have tow equations and tow unknown. That you can solve. 17:01:19 <wood> The code might mot be that pretty but it's possible to calculate 17:02:07 <Ailure> hhehe maybe about the wiki :P 17:02:09 <Ailure> but well 17:02:25 <Ailure> the thought of the guy 17:02:28 <Ailure> who for some weeks ago 17:02:41 <Ailure> who knew he had to connect a coal mine with a power station 17:02:45 <Ailure> he did everything right 17:02:59 <Ailure> ...expect that he apparently confused depots and stations somehow 17:03:06 <Born_Acorn> That happens a lot. 17:03:07 <Smoovious> :D 17:03:41 <Born_Acorn> SOme guy on the forums was clicking the New Vehicles list to try and build planes 17:08:23 *** Renacor [~kvirc@p54b9f9b2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:08:46 <rane> text_generator = 1 | 1 is terra genesis, right? 17:11:16 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-218-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:15:55 <Ailure> well to be honest 17:16:03 <Ailure> One of my friends 17:16:07 <Ailure> hardly seen any trains in his life 17:16:12 <Ailure> expect for some oddball freight train <_< 17:16:15 <Ailure> and he lives in US too heh 17:16:19 <hylje> obviously 17:16:24 <hylje> elsewhere you just see trains 17:16:31 <Ailure> hehe 17:16:39 <hylje> and usually also use 'em 17:18:23 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pd9eb5893.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:28 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-34-98.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 17:25:12 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387E2B7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:28:22 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 17:31:18 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:23 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387E2B7.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:51 *** ammler is now known as mainserwer 17:34:29 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4FCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:34:35 *** mainserwer is now known as Ammler 17:38:46 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 17:39:29 *** HMage` [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:45:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: celestar * r9280 /branches/gamebalance/src/ (economy_new.h town_cmd.cpp): 17:45:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [gamebalance] -Feature: The amount of passengers and mail now depends on the 17:45:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: activity of a town. Also note that the general scheme of how passengers (and 17:45:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: mail) are generated has been changed: The amount now correlates linearly to the 17:45:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: population of a house. 17:45:37 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 17:46:33 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:47:35 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 17:48:21 <stillunknown> Did anything newmap related happen? 17:48:33 <stillunknown> (last few months) 17:49:54 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5893.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:52:32 *** Ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-34-98.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Have a nice time!] 17:52:38 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:50 <Renacor> ugh I can't get this loop around overflow control track to work 17:52:53 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-34-98.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 17:54:43 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:48 *** maad [~emade@83.15.80.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:54 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 17:55:10 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:57:02 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 17:57:39 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5893.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:57:58 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb5893.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:02:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9281 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Fix [FS#687]: compile failure when compiling with 'home directories' enabled (stepancheg). 18:02:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9282 /branches/noai/ (9 files in 3 dirs): 18:02:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: added AIAccounting, which tracks the cost of your buying/selling. 18:02:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: DoCommand no longer returns the cost, it returns a bool. 18:02:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Costs are available via this Accounting class. 18:03:32 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 18:04:10 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 18:04:53 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1dd2f.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:06:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9283 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: API for adding/removing road, road depots and road stations. 18:08:03 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 18:11:33 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:11:39 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 18:13:00 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:13:25 *** llugo [~lugo@pD9581C69.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:14:43 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:44 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:12 *** lugo [~lugo@pD9583540.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:39 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498DBD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:01 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl4-211-152.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 18:34:32 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-29.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:40 *** Digitalfox_ is now known as Digitalfox 18:34:52 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9284 /branches/noai/src/ai/ (ai.cpp api/ai_object.cpp api/ai_object.hpp): [NoAI] -Fix: reset internal static AIObject data per AI on AI startup 18:41:15 *** maad [~emade@83.15.80.18] has joined #openttd 18:44:59 *** maad_ [~emade@83.15.80.18] has joined #openttd 18:45:04 *** maad [~emade@83.15.80.18] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53:42 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 18:54:15 *** maad_ [~emade@83.15.80.18] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9285 /branches/noai/bin/ai/SQNoAI/main.nut: [NoAI] -Fix: make the SQNoAI less suicidal: s/Random/Rand/g 18:56:34 <Sacro> bah 18:56:37 <Sacro> i like suicidal 18:58:58 <peter1138> pom te pom 18:59:18 <stillunknown> Did the anything ever happen to the map? 18:59:59 <peter1138> of course not 19:00:03 <peter1138> they got distracted by something else 19:00:23 <Sacro> lets do something to the ma... OOH LOOK SOMETHING ELSE 19:00:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r9286 /trunk/src/lang/ (20 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 19:00:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-03-18 19:56:07 19:00:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: american - 10 fixed by WhiteRabbit (10) 19:00:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 7 fixed by fukumori (7) 19:00:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 12 fixed by thetitan (12) 19:00:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 3 fixed by arnaullv (3) 19:00:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 8 fixed by Hadez (8) 19:03:36 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 19:03:59 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has joined #openttd 19:04:12 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb5893.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9287 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_company.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: somehow there was a left over CmdFailed, making SetCompanyName return true, always (tnx XeryusTC) 19:09:15 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:11:08 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:11:52 *** boekabart_ [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has joined #openttd 19:11:53 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb5893.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:12:09 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p5090B0EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:13:34 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 19:16:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:21:13 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:39 *** Tino|Home is now known as TinoM 19:28:35 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:12 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9288 /branches/noai/src/ (ai/api/ai_cargo.cpp squirrel_helper.cpp): 19:35:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: AICargo crashed if cargo out-of-bound 19:35:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: return NULL for char* made SQ go crazy 19:38:12 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has joined #openttd 19:39:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9289 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_cargo.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix r9288: removed 2, now unneeded, checks (Rubidium) 19:39:58 *** maad_ [~emade@83.15.80.18] has joined #openttd 19:40:03 <antichaos> Am I right in thinking that NoAI doesn't compile on win32 atm? 19:40:30 <Rubidium> with some manual intervention it should compile if you have the pthreads compatability libraries 19:41:59 <antichaos> that's a no than ;) 19:42:08 <Rubidium> though there might be some other problems with MSVC 19:42:23 <Sionide> what's NoAI? 19:42:34 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:36 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by mdv))] 19:42:53 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:43:09 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:46:22 <rane> i wonder why a rubber plantation is saying 37% transported even though there's always a train loading 19:46:48 <valhallasw> station of competitor? 19:47:35 <rane> nah 19:51:27 *** guru3 [~guru3@90-227-129-150-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:04 <Smoovious> maybe the train isn't loading fast enough 19:52:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9290 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_industry.cpp ai_town.cpp): [NoAI] -Fix: AITown and AIIndustry segfaulted if you gave a negative value as param to most functions 19:53:37 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 19:55:42 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:56:04 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:56:53 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 19:57:55 *** maad_ [~emade@83.15.80.18] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:58:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9291 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/ (. main.nut): 19:58:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: added the first version of a regression AI, an AI that tests all API functions for consistancy. 19:58:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Also, comparing it to known values of a pre-made savegame can detect glitches and OpenTTD changes that will influence (in a bad way) existing AIs. 19:58:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: It is advisable that one pays good attention to the result of this AI. 20:01:23 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:36 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:03:44 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:01 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:04:14 *** Patrick [pitt2@saturn.retrosnub.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:24 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:06:36 *** maad [~emade@83.15.80.18] has joined #openttd 20:06:46 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-218-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]] 20:06:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r9292 /trunk/src/lang/norwegian_nynorsk.txt: [Translations] -Fix: Removed empty translation reached /trunk 20:07:22 *** KUDr_ [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 20:09:37 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:09:37 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:10:45 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:11:21 *** KUDr_ is now known as KUDr 20:13:12 *** Patrick [pitt2@saturn.retrosnub.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:15:03 <lolman> Sacro|Laptop, ping? 20:15:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9293 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/ (main.nut regression.sav regression.txt run.sh): [NoAI] -Add: added regression.sav, regression.txt and a small script to test if the regression passes. Make sure to disable any other AI when running this! 20:16:20 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: pong 20:16:46 <lolman> Played TDU? 20:16:54 <Sacro|Laptop> yeo 20:16:57 <Sacro|Laptop> *yep 20:17:07 <Sacro|Laptop> taught myself to heel an toe 20:17:12 <lolman> My FPS sucks :( 20:17:18 <Sacro|Laptop> aww 20:17:21 <Sacro|Laptop> mine is quite nice 20:18:25 <lolman> By that I mean 1-2FPS 20:18:51 <Sacro|Laptop> :( bad 20:18:55 <Sacro|Laptop> im just about to go out 20:19:02 <Sacro|Laptop> will you be on later? midnight ish? 20:19:06 <lolman> Dunno 20:19:53 <Sacro|Laptop> ill speak to you later if you are 20:20:32 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498F05A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:54 <lolman> Okies :) 20:23:17 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.10.97] has joined #openttd 20:23:28 <Sacro|Laptop> tis cold though :( 20:23:35 * Sacro|Laptop takes a deep breath of warm air 20:24:11 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.80.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:24:58 *** Desolator [~admin@86.126.10.97] has quit [] 20:33:01 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 20:35:12 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:40:08 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:46:40 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 20:49:40 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 20:53:41 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:54:13 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9294 /branches/noai/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Codechange: make changing the loan to 'any' amount a single command. 20:57:18 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:16 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 21:00:15 <imaginner> I can see the NoAI branch is boiling with new commits :) keep up the work, guys! 21:00:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> i could not make sense of any of these commits :p 21:01:00 <Rubidium> black magic is always nice :) 21:04:54 <imaginner> hehe :) 21:06:25 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 21:06:53 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:12:41 <Renacor> whats the current version of openttd? 21:12:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9295 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/ (main.nut regression.cfg regression.txt run.sh): 21:12:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: the regression AI assumed the language was english, use a small custom configuration to force the use of english. 21:12:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: use svn:eol-style native for the expected regression output so the diff doesn't need to cope with different types of newlines. 21:15:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> Renacor: what's the topic? 21:16:09 <Renacor> sorry I just found out 21:18:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> i love these situations where the counter-question is much longer than just giving the answer :p 21:19:57 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has left #openttd [Your eyes grow heavy.. you grow very sleepy..... zzzz...] 21:20:22 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:20:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-235-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 21:22:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9296 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/ (regression.txt run.sh): 21:22:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: regression test now replaced 0x(nil) with 0x0000000 to make everything the same on all platforms 21:22:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: added -k to regression test run.sh script to keep tmp.regression 21:28:27 *** egladil [~egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:31:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9297 /branches/noai/ (bin/ai/regression/regression.txt src/squirrel_helper.cpp): 21:31:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: regression-test shows that 64bit systems gave other results for INVALID_TILE then 32bit system. Now they both act like the 32bit system. 21:31:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Update: updated regression-test to show 32bit output 21:33:42 *** egladil [~egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 21:36:19 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 21:37:27 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E2B7.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:38:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r9298 /trunk/src/table/engines.h: -Fix (r1): A34-1000, Z-Shuttle, and Kelling K1 should be listed as small aircraft. 21:43:48 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:44:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: richk * r9299 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: 21:44:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (FS#675,FS#660): Small micro-movements on airports (of <4 pixels) caused odd aircraft movements. On oilrigs, this caused a full crash as movement would take helicopter out of airport/station tile. 21:44:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Corrected by maneuvering aircraft directly over these tiny movements, rather than relying on movement by changing facing. 21:46:04 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 21:54:49 <antichaos> How do I force a window to refresh? I'm using InvalidateWindow() but I'm still getting significant delay 21:56:15 <Rubidium> then you're maybe not invalidating the correct window 21:57:22 <antichaos> Ah. ok. So I have to go figure out the windownumber thing 21:58:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9300 /trunk/src/subsidy_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use cargo's town effect property in the subsidy gui 21:59:42 <Rubidium> HMage: you can use Translation:Russian_Translation_Guidelines. When you are going to write it in Russian, I'd like that there are a few lines at the top saying that it is in Russian to make the chance of misinterpretations smaller. 22:00:22 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:41 <HMage> alright. 22:02:48 <Smoovious> hmm... 22:03:03 <Smoovious> peter1138... what'd'ja do on r9300? 22:04:15 <peter1138> what does it say? 22:05:39 <Smoovious> it says in a general way a laymen's explanation of changes you made 22:05:50 <Smoovious> forget it... I'll figure it out 22:06:01 <peter1138> it means it's not hardcoded to cargo type 22:06:13 <peter1138> it uses cargo properties instead 22:06:28 <Smoovious> k... means I'll probably have conflicts then. :P 22:07:01 <peter1138> basically what i already did for economy.cpp 22:07:55 <Smoovious> k... I'm working on a patch that redoes how subsidies are chosen and handled, a bit... so... maybe it'll give me another idea or two 22:08:09 <HMage> Rubidium: is that a category or a page name? Is it ok to use russian page name? Like "Translation:????????????" 22:08:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9301 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: Use cargo class to determine if a road vehicle can stop in bus or truck stops. 22:09:42 <Rubidium> HMage: I'd rather not have that, makes it hard for non-Russians to see what the page is about 22:09:51 <HMage> ok 22:10:09 <peter1138> do we need to know? 22:10:10 <HMage> how about Translation:Russian_???????????? 22:10:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:19 <peter1138> can't read it anyway :p 22:10:46 <Rubidium> well, I think it is usefull to have a list with translation guidelines 22:11:20 <Rubidium> for different languages 22:11:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9302 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Codechange: Use cargo class to test for passengers when deciding on the livery scheme to use. 22:13:38 <Rubidium> what about Translation:???????????? as a redirect to Translation:Russian? 22:14:29 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:31 <HMage> sounds good. 22:17:40 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:51 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl4-211-152.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 22:30:16 *** Digitalfox_Home [~chatzilla@bl4-211-152.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 22:32:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9303 /trunk/src/ (roadveh_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Codechange: Use cargo class when counting passengers in a road vehicle crash, and when loading aircraft. 22:32:16 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:38:44 <antichaos> I'm making a new window to pop up with extra information about industries 22:38:59 <antichaos> should I create a new window class for it? 22:39:25 <antichaos> or should I use an existing window class, like WC_INDUSTRY_VIEW? 22:42:03 <peter1138> i think you need a new class 22:44:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r9304 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/run.sh: [NoAI] -Fix r9296: use awk instead of sed to prevent eol problems 22:45:40 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:57:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Words get written, words get twisted, old meanings change in the drift of time.] 22:58:55 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 23:08:44 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1dd2f.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9305 /branches/noai/src/ (ai/ai.cpp ai/ai.h ai/ai_factory.hpp openttd.cpp): [NoAI] -Add: option to force-select an AI from the console. 23:16:59 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-145-137.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:18:12 <ln-> why is it that frenchmen write their names like Firstname LASTNAME? 23:18:39 <glx> because we do it like that :) 23:19:08 *** smithj [smithj@dyn-62-56-62-57.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:19:16 <smithj> hello 23:19:19 <ln-> even on paper? 23:19:30 <glx> and depending of context it could be LASTNAME Firstname 23:20:23 <glx> or Firstname Lastname 23:20:29 <glx> many options :) 23:20:59 <ln-> so it would be Jean-Luc PICARD if they had name signs? :) 23:22:15 <glx> name signs?? 23:23:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> all name signs i have seen in any army were LASTNAME only 23:23:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> i think 23:23:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> i might misremember that part, because of traumatic events :p 23:24:20 <smithj> I am trying to load a scenario, and each time it causes openTTD to crash, I have made an http file server if someone can PM me and help. Perhaps I can make a debug log 23:24:52 <ln-> we had LASTNAME XY (XY = initials such as "LA") 23:25:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> was that scenario created with the same version that you load it with? 23:25:28 <smithj> no, it was created in 0.4, i am using the latest SVN 23:25:40 <glx> should load fine 23:25:48 <smithj> that's what i thought 23:25:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> then post a bug report, containing the scenario 23:25:56 <glx> is there an error message? 23:26:00 <smithj> http://62.56.62.57 23:26:24 <smithj> there is some info in there, i am not sure how to make a debug log, is there some sort of command line switch...? 23:26:27 <glx> TTD saves it seems 23:27:20 <smithj> this will cause a problem i assume...? 23:27:25 <glx> or should I only check the jpg ? 23:27:38 <smithj> no, you are more than welcome to copy the scenarios too 23:28:00 <smithj> I was trying to download the through the tube .SAVs and .GRFs, but the site seems to be down 23:29:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> dbg: [sl] Unknown savegame type, trying to load it as the buggy format 23:29:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> Load game failed: inconsistent size. 23:31:03 <smithj> the file is damaged...? 23:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> you sure it's even a TTD savegame? 23:34:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> i could imagine it's original TT 23:34:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> those won't load 23:34:34 <Rubidium> or TTDPatch which might not load either 23:34:54 <smithj> ok 23:35:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, i understand that only recent TTDP savegames could have problems, but as the files are from 2001 23:35:48 <smithj> does anyone know where I could get a copy of the through the tube scenario to replace this one...? 23:35:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9306 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_factory.hpp: [NoAI] -Fix r9305: a leftover debug printf 23:36:03 <smithj> or could this be a bug in openTTD 23:36:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> (open)TTD was never designed to load TT savegames 23:36:38 <smithj> ok 23:37:03 <smithj> I stopped using TTD a while ago, it's not a big loss 23:38:12 <smithj> actualy, I havent seen any movement on the Through the tube project for some time, is this also dead..? 23:38:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, is there a linux program that can communicate with the win95 direct connection (over parallel cable) program? 23:38:29 <smithj> perhaps putty...? 23:38:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> i mean something that can forward samba shares... 23:40:10 <smithj> I'm not sure about that 23:40:51 <Biff> does win95 support networking over parallelport? 23:40:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have a TT installation on my laptop, but that does not have a network card... 23:41:50 <smithj> you could perhaps try the terminal program in win95, can't it send via serial/parallel...? 23:41:58 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:42:02 <Biff> sending data shouldnt be a problem 23:42:11 <Biff> you can set up a terminal on a parallel port 23:42:31 <Biff> although serial (rs232) is more common 23:42:37 <Biff> and i think faster? 23:43:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> serial is probably not faster than parallel ;) 23:43:17 <Biff> linux has something called plip 23:43:32 <Biff> which is ip over parport 23:43:39 <smithj> you could also set up terminal to recive the file and send via minicom 23:43:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> besides, the parallel cable is already in place (from old windows times), i just never used it 23:44:05 <Biff> what are you trying to do, just send data? 23:44:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> i probably have laplink installed on the laptop 23:44:10 <Smoovious> is the cable bidrectional to begin with? 23:44:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes 23:44:32 <Smoovious> k... not all of em are 23:48:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... i found some HOWTO for using ppp over a serial cable... maybe that also works with parallel 23:48:33 <smithj> only one way to find out ;) 23:49:00 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.229.62] has joined #openttd 23:49:04 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.229.62] has left #openttd [] 23:59:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9307 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/run.sh: [NoAI] -Fix: awk script was wrong for some awk versions, now it works for all versions we could test (Rubidium, TrueBrain, glx) 23:59:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> bad... the laptop doesn't boot :(