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[~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 07:08:30 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:08:57 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83092.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:08:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 07:12:18 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-41-253.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 07:14:14 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 07:57:47 <BR> glx: RC2 I meant, it was late ;P 08:03:45 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:14:09 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20:08 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@host37-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:20:10 <Wolf01> hello 08:20:50 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:22:09 <Smoovious> hi 08:24:41 <Wolf01> i can see that there is another branch :) 08:31:15 * Tobin look at the server list 08:31:27 <Tobin> I've been away too long. 08:36:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9512 /branches/noai/Makefile.in: [NoAI] -Fix: remove .svn dirs in 'make bundle', via 'find' and 'xargs', I hope all systems support this... (alternatives are welcome ;)) 08:36:21 *** orudge` [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 08:39:11 <Wolf01> TrueBrain, tortoise allow the user to customize the svn folder, you can use _svn too 08:39:57 <Wolf01> this under windows 08:41:16 <Rubidium> Wolf01: then they make their system non svn-cli compatible, which messes with the possibility to acquire the revision number automatically, so I don't see a problem with that 08:41:35 <Rubidium> if you really want to use non-standard stuff, don't expect it to work correctly 08:42:04 <Wolf01> i never said i use this, but just that there is an option to do it 08:43:45 <Wolf01> and i think that prevent is better than fix :P 08:43:52 <Rubidium> you was more meant as 'if one really wants...' 08:44:03 <Wolf01> yeah 08:44:53 <Rubidium> Wolf01: does mingw's command line svn client know about the customizable svn directories? 08:45:23 <Wolf01> i don't know, i never tried 08:57:21 <TrueBrain> Wolf01: there is an 'option' for that yes, a seperate binary from tortoise which they talk hard about NOT USING UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DO! And they ONLY advise it for MSVC users. And is ONLY for Windows. Neither case is of any interest for the configure-system 08:58:18 <Jezral> Btw, you don't need xargs in a call to wipe .svn folders: find . -type d -name '.svn' -exec rm -rf {} \; 08:59:21 <TrueBrain> Jezral: for fun, try to run it. You will see the need for xargs :) 08:59:30 <Jezral> I use it all the time...it works. 08:59:49 <TrueBrain> it will throw you a bunch of those: find: bundle/ai/SQNoAI/.svn: No such file or directory 08:59:52 <Jezral> It'll complain about missing folders, but it'll still wipe them all. 09:00:05 <TrueBrain> yes, and what does that mean for it's error code? 09:00:10 <TrueBrain> and what does that mean for the process? 09:00:14 <TrueBrain> so therefor we use xargs :) 09:00:31 <TrueBrain> if you give a suggestion, at least give a good one ;) 09:02:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9513 /branches/noai/config.lib: [NoAI] -Fix: disable strict-aliasing to make GCC 4 stop bitching about it 09:03:01 <tkoskine> How about 'find . -depth ...'? It shouldn't complain about missing directories. 09:03:55 <TrueBrain> you know, you might be right 09:03:55 <Jezral> You want it to recurse indefinetly. 09:03:59 <Rubidium> tkoskine: ai/.svn and ai/regression.svn must be removed 09:04:11 <TrueBrain> tkoskine: -depth does something else then I assumed by its name :p 09:04:14 <Rubidium> tkoskine: ai/.svn and ai/regression/.svn must be removed 09:04:22 <TrueBrain> -depth Process each directory's contents before the directory itself. 09:05:05 <tkoskine> Hmm, and -depth doesn't seem to be portable (OpenBSD's find doesn't have it). A bad idea then. :) 09:05:08 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: in fact, ai/.svn isn't there :) But ai/myai/mydir/.svn does :p 09:05:12 <TrueBrain> tkoskine: -d :) 09:05:15 <TrueBrain> is POSIX compatible :p 09:05:37 <TrueBrain> -POSIX +OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD and MacOSX 09:05:38 <TrueBrain> :p 09:05:45 <TrueBrain> (so the 'man find' tells me) 09:06:06 <TrueBrain> find: warning: the -d option is deprecated; please use -depth instead, because the latter is a POSIX-compliant feature. 09:06:07 <TrueBrain> LOL! 09:06:33 <TrueBrain> works nice :) Tnx tkoskine 09:07:48 <tkoskine> Don't thank me yet :). On Debian 3.1: find: invalid predicate `-d' 09:07:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9514 /branches/noai/Makefile.in: [NoAI] -Fix r9512: 'find' can do it on its own (without 'xargs') if you add -d(epth) (tkoskine) 09:08:03 <TrueBrain> Too late :( 09:08:24 <TrueBrain> does -depth exist there? 09:08:50 <tkoskine> Yes, Debian's find has -depth, but -depth it doesn't work on *BSD.s 09:09:13 <TrueBrain> $(Q)find $(BUNDLE_DIR)/ai/ -depth -iname '*.svn' -exec rm -Rf {} \; || $(Q)find $(BUNDLE_DIR)/ai/ -d -iname '*.svn' -exec rm -Rf {} \; 09:09:18 <TrueBrain> should solve it for all systems, not? :) 09:10:16 * TrueBrain hugs Gentoo, at least it knows both -depth and -d 09:10:50 *** Progman [~foo@p57A1CE04.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:10:58 <tkoskine> Yes, find . -depth||find . -d should work on all systems. 09:11:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9515 /branches/noai/Makefile.in: [NoAI] -Fix r9514: some systems know find -d, others find -depth... don't you just love it? 09:11:19 <TrueBrain> a bit of magic, but oh well, as long as it works :) 09:12:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9516 /3rdparty/squirrel/sqstdlib/sqstdrex.cpp: [Squirrel] -Fix: silence warning about a variable being clobbered by longjmp (glx). 09:15:58 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9517 /3rdparty/squirrel/sqstdlib/sqstdrex.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: silence 64bit warnings (printing 64bit int with %d results in warning) 09:17:52 <TrueBrain> 3 commits to do one simple task (removing .svn dir)... how idiotic! 09:23:14 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B74D96.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:05 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:27:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9518 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix [Windows]: do not free an uninitialized pointer. 09:40:11 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:41:03 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 09:41:55 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:51:05 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has joined #openttd 10:19:24 *** maad_ [~emade@83.15.80.18] has joined #openttd 10:20:55 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:21:39 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 10:22:57 *** llugo [~lugo@pD958152F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:26:07 *** maad [~emade@82.160.115.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:47 *** green-devil [~c@0x5735f02c.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:33:11 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54ac6731.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:34:55 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E13F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:49:56 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 11:02:49 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has quit [] 11:07:03 *** maddy [~maddy@84.4.97.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10:14 <BR> anyone able to confirm or deny my possible bug, I have brought two of my competitors for each, I have managed to turn their air lines around but I don't seem to be getting the aircraft income, only the expenses relating to them... 11:16:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> you should probably provide a savegame and instructions how to reproduce 11:17:41 *** Vikthor [opera@pc304-38.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 11:18:37 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931e.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:05 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB46EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:33:18 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931e.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:05:30 <Ailure> uhm 12:07:08 <Thomas[NL]> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31203 12:07:24 <Thomas[NL]> not a fix for your bug... 12:09:21 <Ailure> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31192 12:09:25 <Ailure> This is kinda my fault 12:09:32 <Ailure> I kinda forced hard games on him :D 12:09:39 <Ailure> The tree-hugging nut he refers to 12:09:39 <Ailure> is me 12:09:47 <Ailure> as I don't like overly terraforming 12:11:18 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 12:18:05 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 12:29:14 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-174-119.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:50 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 12:37:46 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-84-227-150-117.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> Thomas[NL]: i'd rather suggest disabling the buttons 12:40:34 <Thomas[NL]> Eddi|zuHause3 its not my patch, just wanted to point you guys to it 12:41:10 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:41:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:44:04 *** Sionide- [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 12:44:07 <peter1138> Ailure: forced how? 12:44:11 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:41 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has joined #openttd 12:45:03 *** Sionide- is now known as Sionide 12:45:53 <Ailure> I hosted some private server games 12:45:54 <Ailure> xD 12:46:18 <Ailure> And I tend to act as a police sometimes 12:46:30 <Ailure> such as "do not flat that mountain!!!" 12:51:37 <Ailure> http://mike.newsvine.com/_news/2007/03/26/633799-hacking-john-mccain 12:53:25 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has joined #openttd 12:54:58 <Thomas[NL]> does not load here ... 13:03:52 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:07:19 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:23:35 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-41-253.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39:10 *** green-devil [~c@0x5735f02c.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 13:42:20 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@host37-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53:35 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:54:23 *** mojs_ [mojs@hhcrew.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:27 *** mojs [mojs@hhcrew.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:28 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:29 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 14:00:28 *** Vikthor [opera@pc304-38.feld.cvut.cz] has left #openttd [] 14:02:20 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 14:13:10 *** maad_ [~emade@83.15.80.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:14:56 *** maad [~emade@83.15.80.18] has joined #openttd 14:18:18 *** Marcel [Marcel@ip230-4-209-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [] 14:20:18 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has quit [] 14:21:21 *** maad_ [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 14:22:08 *** maad [~emade@83.15.80.18] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25:09 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:25:24 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 14:26:51 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:28:15 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 14:30:28 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-46-17.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 14:31:58 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: glx * r9519 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix r7406 (revert r9318): free the malloced variable, not a pointer to that variable. Also free it if there's any error. 14:34:19 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-46-17.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 14:36:42 *** maad_ is now known as maad 14:41:21 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:41:30 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-46-17.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:55 <Belugas> i wonder... 14:44:24 <Belugas> does it make sens that randomly (during gameplay) oil rigs are allowed only after 1960, but yet, can be manually funded before 14:44:45 <Sacro|Laptop> no 14:44:51 <Belugas> should they follow the same pattern, no matter what is the creation method? 14:44:57 <Sacro|Laptop> i reckon they should 14:45:14 <Belugas> indeed 14:46:50 <Belugas> but then, it would mean OR disabling the widgets OR sharing the same pre-requisite 14:46:54 <Belugas> or something 14:47:32 <Belugas> same goes for oil refinery 14:47:38 <Digitalfox> Belugas just like airports where they are blocked until some year :) 14:47:54 <Belugas> and more, i believe... 14:48:06 <Belugas> yeah,true Digitalfox 14:49:17 <Digitalfox> But oil refiney is another thing, since oil wells needs them ;) 14:49:44 <Belugas> true 14:50:28 <Digitalfox> I believe oil rigs should be blocked until 1960 14:51:36 <Digitalfox> It doesn't make much sence starting a game in 1850 and build a oil rig ;) 14:53:16 <peter1138> yars 14:53:22 <peter1138> block manual building 14:53:43 <peter1138> or leave it because it's unnecessary complexity? 14:53:44 <peter1138> :p 14:54:21 <Belugas> not really complicated...\ 14:54:24 <Belugas> not NOW ;) 14:54:32 <Belugas> but... maybe confusing? 14:54:41 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-185-107.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Going to Work...] 15:19:14 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has joined #openttd 15:20:42 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:33:59 *** green-devil [~c@0x5735f02c.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:37:32 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-1786.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 16:03:43 *** CmdKewin [~cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has quit [] 16:09:38 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 16:13:37 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> arion.oftc.net quits: |2rB, TheMask96, kdr 16:14:14 *** Netsplit over, joins: TheMask96 16:14:35 *** Netsplit over, joins: kdr 16:14:52 *** Netsplit over, joins: |2rB 16:16:15 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 16:22:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host137-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:22:24 <Wolf01> hello 16:22:51 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 16:30:11 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3F970.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:39 *** Tron [~tron@p54a3ca34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:37 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Eat 16:45:04 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:45:23 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB46EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 16:58:00 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:44 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-212-50-170-1.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:00:46 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-212-50-170-1.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 17:06:15 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-234-094.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:42 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489F690.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:09:38 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:09:47 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:12:59 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489d3d0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:22:32 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 17:25:20 *** Rens2Eat [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:56 *** Immow [~MIYU@c3eea5fb3.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:26:02 <Immow> hello :) 17:27:03 <Immow> A great feature for TTD just came to mind: how about grouping trains/plains etcetra so you can "replace" or change orders more swiftly? 17:27:22 <Sionide> planes, of course.. 17:27:28 <Immow> err 17:27:32 <Immow> planes 17:27:36 <Sionide> ;) 17:27:39 <Immow> sorry my english is not so good 17:27:45 <Sionide> dunno, sounds like a good plan 17:27:47 <Wolf01> ehm, and shared orders what are for? 17:28:04 <Sionide> Wolf01, you still have to click on every single train 17:28:11 <Sionide> but then again, you'd have to do that to group them anyway 17:28:17 <Immow> no 17:28:19 <Wolf01> no, onli one 17:28:21 <Immow> if you make 1 train 17:28:23 <Wolf01> *y 17:28:29 <Immow> give that the right orders 17:28:32 <Immow> and give it a group 17:28:33 <Immow> then clone it 17:28:35 <Immow> done ;) 17:29:05 <Immow> or make the "train list menu" with selection option 17:29:10 <Immow> so you can edit stuff there 17:29:36 <Immow> sounds like a good idea no? 17:29:37 <Wolf01> if you share orders you can change them in one train for all 17:29:45 <Immow> share? 17:29:48 <Wolf01> share 17:29:57 <Immow> ofcourse not 17:29:58 <Wolf01> ctrl+click when cloning 17:30:19 <Immow> all trains in TTD are standalone no... not linked I think 17:30:49 <Wolf01> there are shared orders which do what you want :) 17:31:19 <Patrick> yes, ctrl-assign will share orders instead of copy them 17:31:24 <Immow> so I create 1 train give it the orders then clone it holding down control makes it a "shared orders train" ? 17:31:28 <Patrick> and ctrl-clone will share cclonred orders 17:31:29 <Patrick> yes 17:31:54 <Immow> then one of those trains, if I change the orders all will change? 17:32:09 <Patrick> yes 17:32:10 <Wolf01> yes 17:32:13 <Immow> cool 17:32:17 <Patrick> it's newish 17:32:17 <Immow> thats so nice to know :D 17:32:19 <Patrick> since about 0.4 17:32:30 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:32:33 <Immow> well, I haven't played game for ages 17:32:55 <Immow> but my friend yesterday asked me.. so then this idea poped up :) 17:34:22 <Immow> but this "sharing" is not posible for exsisting trains? 17:34:27 <Patrick> yes, it is 17:34:39 <Patrick> set waypoint on another existing train to copy orders 17:34:48 <Patrick> hold ctrl to make shared orders 17:34:52 <Immow> oke 17:35:25 <Immow> nice :) 17:35:33 <Immow> know more of those things that are handy? 17:36:35 <Immow> for instance lets say I want to build a train thats 52 long, is it posible to buy x amount of wagons? 17:39:48 * Immow gives Wolf01 some meat for atention 17:40:06 <Zuu> Immow: I don't think so, but another handy thing is in a train-list (or any other vehicle-sort) in the bottom of the window there is a list of actions you can do with the list including replacing engines/vehicles. 17:40:20 <Immow> I know 17:40:34 <Immow> but the power of the ctrl key sliped my atention :3 17:40:51 <Zuu> ctrl is much older, but guess not so obvious to new users :) 17:40:56 <Immow> yes 17:41:30 <Immow> 1 moer question 17:41:33 <Zuu> ctrl: makes the command more powerfull 17:41:39 <Zuu> shift: gives the cost of the command 17:41:46 <Immow> my friend is trying to change the time needed to join multi game 17:41:46 <Zuu> In general. 17:41:46 <Wolf01> ctrl make presignal, clone orders, remove tracks with autorail without using R 17:41:57 <Immow> I take to long to join so I get kicked out (very large map) 17:42:04 <Immow> where can he change this? 17:42:09 <Wolf01> thanks for the meat 17:42:54 <Wolf01> set the max_join_time to an higer value, default is 500 17:42:55 <Immow> remove tracks with autorail 17:42:56 <Immow> wow! 17:43:09 <Zuu> Immow: you find the setting in openttd.cfg 17:43:19 <Immow> he can find it he say's :P 17:43:21 <Immow> can't 17:43:37 <Zuu> Another nice ctrl-thing is to pay back your whole loan or take max-loan. 17:43:56 <Sacro> Immow: says 17:44:15 <Immow> aha 17:44:26 <Immow> I can speak it ok 17:44:30 <Immow> but hard to write ;P 17:44:51 <Sacro> it's just a matter of knowing when to use an apostrophe 17:44:58 <Immow> btw, the console key? 17:45:05 <Immow> the ~ dont work for me 17:45:14 <Zuu> Immow: max_join_time should be under [network] 17:45:38 <Zuu> If it is not there try adding it. (don't know if that work though) 17:45:51 <Zuu> max_join_time = 1000 17:45:52 <Immow> oke 17:45:54 <Zuu> for example 17:46:07 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:52:21 <Immow> yay it worked thnx Zuu :D 17:55:25 *** Kittysune [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 17:55:30 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:48 *** green-devil [~c@0x5735f02c.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:15 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:00:18 *** imaginner [~imaginner@aclh164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 18:01:22 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 18:02:23 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl7-185-107.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 18:02:42 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 18:03:18 *** Kittysune [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:16 *** imaginner [~imaginner@aclh164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 18:05:27 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp91-76-146-0.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:07:02 *** azra`el [~1000@h69-130-238-33.69-130.unk.tds.net] has joined #openttd 18:08:33 *** azra`el [~1000@h69-130-238-33.69-130.unk.tds.net] has quit [] 18:10:35 *** Kittysune [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 18:10:45 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:25 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 18:18:37 *** Kittysune [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:58 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176113016.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:23:36 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 18:24:09 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:26:09 *** Kittysune [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 18:26:25 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:26 *** Niki_ [~Niki@p509098ec.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:30:33 <Niki_> can anyone help me with last nights nightly? 18:30:42 <Niki_> the dedicated server doesnt work (compile from source) 18:30:49 <Niki_> pretends to be online, but it isnt 18:31:01 <Niki_> the config file is being rewritten all the time (the ip addy) 18:31:08 <Niki_> and it doesnt fork into background 18:32:02 <Patrick> interesting 18:32:39 <Niki_> any ideas/sollution? i want to play with my faroese friend, as nothing is on tv (germany) 18:33:32 <peter1138> i must admit, it works perfectly for me 18:33:35 <Patrick> use the previous nightly? 18:33:39 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-127-75.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:34:05 <Niki_> um... would it work? 18:34:10 <Niki_> peter what might be the problem 18:34:13 *** Kittysune [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:15 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 18:34:26 <peter1138> make a backup of your config and check with a fresh one? 18:34:41 <peter1138> it that solves it, i want your config, heh 18:34:50 <antichaos> could anyone help me with a rather tricky saveload coding problem? 18:36:33 <Niki_> ILL KILL THE SYSADMIN 18:36:42 <Niki_> i want to play - he emerges world 18:38:42 <Niki_> well 18:38:45 <Niki_> i moved the config 18:38:50 <Niki_> and still doesnt work 18:39:00 <Niki_> openttd.cfg is the right config name, eh? maybe i fuzzed something up 18:39:23 <Niki_> and it still doesnt fork 18:40:08 <Niki_> well then 18:40:15 <Niki_> peter may i play on your nightly server? :D 18:40:45 *** Kittysune [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 18:40:54 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44:28 *** DirtYiCE [~dirty_ice@84.236.50.38] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:45:13 <antichaos> hmm, particularly helpful comment here : /* Do something of which I have no idea what it is :P 18:47:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:50:06 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 19:06:31 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:25 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:56 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-127-75.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 19:54:08 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:55:03 <Belugas> hohooo... 19:55:13 <Belugas> behaviour and behavior 19:55:31 <Belugas> that looks like colour and color to me 19:55:59 <Belugas> so.... judging from my experience, i would say that the proper spelling would be behaviour 19:56:12 <Digitalfox[Home]> How to use autoreplace, when vehicles like buses have different reffiting?? 19:57:17 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb46ec.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:57:47 <Digitalfox[Home]> I have some buses and i want to autoreplace with newer ones, and the bus i chose have different reffitable.. So how to choise in autoreplace reffitable? 20:01:56 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:04:55 <peter1138> road vehicle autoreplace is pretty shit for that 20:05:05 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-127-75.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:05:16 <peter1138> mainly cos i never bothered updating after i added refitting for them :p 20:06:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9520 /trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): 20:06:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Add the notion of Industry behaviour. It means what an industry 20:06:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: can do (plant fields, cut trees, do not change production), what can be done to 20:06:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: it (disasters like mine subsidence, jet/chopper attack), when it can be built 20:06:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: etc... 20:06:56 <antichaos> oooh 20:10:14 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.152.208.205] has joined #openttd 20:11:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9521 /trunk/projects/openttd_vs80.vcproj: -Fix(9520): Partly revert, accidentally commited an unnecessary change 20:11:56 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 20:12:14 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387E13F.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:12:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9522 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Fix (r9073): the entries in source.list are supposed to be sorted alphabetically. 20:23:02 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:24:40 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 20:25:18 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-127-75.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:06 *** Xkeeper [m@ip72-193-66-186.lv.lv.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ONO] 20:31:23 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 20:41:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:39 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9523 /trunk/src/ (14 files): -Cleanup: doxygen changes. Time to take care of "R" 20:42:25 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-127-75.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:53:30 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-234-094.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 20:56:21 *** Kittysune is now known as Ailure 20:56:29 <Ailure> stupid network 21:03:30 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:07 <Ailure> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/704 21:07:13 <Ailure> I hate looking impatient 21:07:20 <Ailure> but have anyone else been able to reproduce this bug? 21:11:34 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 21:12:26 <Rubidium> Ailure: yes, but RL takes so much time I haven't had time to find the actual cause. 21:13:27 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:15:11 <Ailure> Hehe, I didn't exactly demand it being fixed right away. ;) 21:15:36 <Ailure> And that's fair enough for me anyway. 21:15:51 <Ailure> If I was experienced with the internal workings of openTTD, I probably would been looking into it now. 21:19:10 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:19:28 <Wolf01> 'night 21:19:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host137-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 21:23:09 <_Ben_> Hi, wondering if somebody (who knows!) can help me understand this problem...It was partly explained a bit ago, but I've bumped into additional hurdles 21:23:17 <_Ben_> http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g226/ben_robbins_/problemtile.png 21:24:09 <_Ben_> For this ^^, Is there any reason that B cannot render after A, rather than the other (current) way round? 21:24:49 *** Niki_ [~Niki@p509098ec.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:25:10 <_Ben_> If A then renders first in the queue, would that then appear on the background layer (along with the normal ground sprites) or would it still sit above them, but just at the bottom of the stack? 21:35:08 *** smithj [smithj@dyn-62-56-127-24.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:35:21 <smithj> hello 21:35:36 <valhallasw> _Ben_: only if you put tiles besides eachother 21:35:41 <valhallasw> I think 21:35:45 <valhallasw> but I'm not a 3d coder 21:37:09 <_Ben_> valhallasw: I'm not talking about anything 3d. All 32bpp things are flatterned images 21:38:05 <valhallasw> what do you mean with rendering then? 21:39:07 *** smithj [smithj@dyn-62-56-127-24.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [] 21:39:34 <_Ben_> Sorry, My termonology on the programming side is probably completly wrong. I just mean, when sprites get displayed on a monitor when playing TT, they get layered in some order 21:40:19 <valhallasw> yes 21:40:32 <_Ben_> so sprite B (wich is the wall) gets put behind the main tile (A), and therefore, A appears later than its neighbouring tiles wich causes a lot of problems 21:40:57 <_Ben_> (asuming the neighbouring tiles are just nothing more than grass or something 21:41:03 <_Ben_> ) 21:41:49 *** CIA-2 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:00 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 21:43:25 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 21:50:35 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:35 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 21:56:37 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-127-75.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 21:58:35 <Rubidium> _Ben_: it has all to do with the bounding boxes of the sprites and they are sorted; because the bounding box of B is below (in z) A it gets drawn first 21:59:26 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 22:00:04 <_Ben_> Rubidium: yep, you were the person taht explained that to me a week or so ago I think. I was wondering if there is a reason (in the example) for the order being as it is 22:00:37 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176113016.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:03:05 <Rubidium> take sprite #340, it has the same bounding box in the x-y plane as A, but because the z-part of the boundingbox is less than A it gets drawn below A. It is not drawing just what is B in your image. 22:03:14 *** weasel [weasel@weasel.noc.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:07 <Rubidium> how do you expect a box that is below another box to be drawn from top to bottom? 22:04:45 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 22:04:53 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/autostartdate.diff 22:05:19 <peter1138> ^^ needs 1) testing for optimal minimum 2) gui fixing 3) profit 22:05:39 <peter1138> nini 22:10:01 <_Ben_> Rubiduim, are ok. Theres something that I'm yet to understand here it would seem 22:10:06 <_Ben_> Rubidium* 22:11:11 <Rubidium> every non-ground tile has a bounding box that is used to determine the order in which the tiles are drawn 22:15:30 <_Ben_> Rubidium: ok erk!. I don't understand what you mean about a box being drawin from top to bottom. I thorught the problem Im having here was just the result of A and B being displayed seperately, and B being displayed first then A. or is that incorrect? do they merge together and both display later than other surrounding ground tiles? 22:16:52 <Rubidium> _Ben_: you wanted that B is drawn after A. With this system that can only be done if you invert the ordering, which is bad (vehicles drawn under the road) <- that's what I tried to make clear there 22:18:21 <Rubidium> but yes, B is drawn and then A is drawn 22:18:30 <Rubidium> (I think) 22:19:03 <_Ben_> sorry, I'm awair youve had to repeat what you said, but I'm not keeping up!. I think Im fundementally seeing this from the wrong angle 22:22:29 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:44 <_Ben_> Rubidium: I think I'm asking (!) how one would go about altering the z value of tiles that are used in position B and A, so to (in effect) swap them round) 22:24:49 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:25:04 <Rubidium> I think you might be able to do that via a newgrf 22:25:16 <Rubidium> but how exactly I wouldn't know 22:25:50 <_Ben_> hmm, ok, thats good. Thanks for the help 22:36:26 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498E628.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:52:43 <Belugas> Ailure, i just tried it, i cannot reproduce the bug 22:52:58 <Ailure> what OS? 22:53:05 <Belugas> i wonder if a special build cannot be made for you, with lots of debug infos 22:53:06 <Ailure> Someone with Linux tried it, but couldn't reproduce it 22:53:09 <Belugas> winxp 22:53:25 <Ailure> hmm odd 22:53:27 <Belugas> will try something 22:53:29 <Belugas> be back 22:53:31 <Ailure> it crashed for friends of mine as well 22:53:42 <Ailure> under similar conditions 22:54:33 <Rubidium> Belugas: you can reproduce it too, you just need to do the right (tm) thing ;) 23:01:16 *** Nigel [~nigel@202.154.148.165] has joined #openttd 23:50:43 <Belugas> i guess so, Rubidium :) 23:50:55 <Belugas> i just have not find the proper incantation ^^ 23:51:10 <Immow> ah man I had so much fun... TT rox 23:52:12 <Immow> if you watch how a zeplin lands when your stoned... I almost fell out of my chair laughing the rest was ok :3 23:54:10 *** glx|away is now known as glx 23:54:23 <Belugas> Ailure, got it. 23:54:38 *** Progman [~foo@p57A1CE04.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:54:39 <Belugas> it is when you addthe order "refit" to the vehicle 23:54:50 <Belugas> ok, on debug mode now 23:55:17 <Belugas> Immow, i'm glad you enjoy yourself so much 23:55:34 <Belugas> maybe you will have as much fun been straight, by the way ;) 23:57:52 <Immow> sure :) 23:57:54 <Immow> the game rox 23:58:01 <Immow> I just found that funny.. 23:58:26 <Immow> I never use em.. so this was new for me ;) 23:59:31 <glx> hehe try toyland :)