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00:02:40 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:02:53 *** Morphy [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:17 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 00:09:47 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 00:09:47 <Sacro> !logs 00:46:04 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl7-182-70.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Time for Sleeping] 01:08:31 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-182-70.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 01:17:10 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB419D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:26:40 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp83-237-102-77.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:40:52 *** eJoJ [~Aim@4.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 01:41:40 <Ailure> X dosen't toggle station sign transparency 01:41:42 <Ailure> bug or feature? 01:53:53 <Sacro> Ailure: always a feature 01:54:04 <Ailure> ;P 01:54:42 <Ailure> aha 02:12:02 <Ailure> hmm 02:12:19 <Ailure> seems to be a bug related to if you send a aircraft that hadn't finished unloading to a hangar 02:12:20 <Ailure> then refit it 02:13:05 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:30:41 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54b775d9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54b764f2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:38:23 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:21:07 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:07:52 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:09:22 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 04:11:03 <Ailure> hmm 04:11:08 <Ailure> I wish the way bridges works was reworkd 04:15:46 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pd9eb7dde.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:15:54 <DaleStan> TrueBrain: <wallyweb> why is the changes.log for tonight's r1494 empty? 04:42:58 <Ailure> I really hope that's referring to another project 04:46:57 <DaleStan> Ailure: Yep. TTDPatch. I really should have mentioned that detail to TrueBrain too. 04:50:14 *** jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:57:24 *** jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 05:25:04 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-37-199.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 05:25:15 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82C0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:27:45 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-37-199.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:27:54 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82AE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:27:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 05:38:43 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:39:28 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:42:03 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pd9eb7dde.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 05:43:06 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 05:48:29 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:48:29 *** Taikaponi [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:49:03 *** Taikaponi [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:59:56 <Smoky555> hi all :) 06:02:45 <Smoky555> who can tell me, can i use subsidiaries patch with last SVN? 06:04:50 <peter1138> you can try 06:04:56 <peter1138> but i doubt it will apply 06:06:52 <Smoky555> ok, but is it possible to make all depots, railways, etc. shaing for all players? 06:07:12 <Smoky555> without subsidiaries patch? 06:09:51 <peter1138> no 06:13:18 <Ailure> hmm 06:13:20 *** eJoJ is now known as eJoJ-zZz 06:13:29 <Ailure> That is the biggest part of the subsidary part I miss 06:13:49 <Ailure> I don't really need being able to have severeal companies, but it would be nice to like share networks between players 06:14:12 <Ailure> I would definatly try making networks without actually owning a single train :) 06:17:27 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:20:34 <Smoky555> Ailure: do you can make this patch? for sharing all for all? 06:21:27 <Ailure> Give me a bit to learn C++ and I would do it :P 06:21:39 <Smoky555> heh 06:21:42 <Ailure> but problem is that i'm busy and have another programming project going on (in oanother language) 06:22:30 <Smoky555> i see Æ) 06:22:31 <Ailure> And I only randomly peeked at the OTTD source 06:23:00 <Ailure> Problem with the subisidary patch I heard was that it was way too big 06:23:10 <Ailure> so it could lead to alot of problems if it was applied to trunk 06:23:43 <Ailure> and a solution would been dividing it into smaller patches for each part and let them sit for awhile each or something 06:24:13 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:24:17 *** Taikaponi [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:25:05 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:25:31 *** Taikaponi [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:44:35 *** Szandor [~user@host-84-9-129-1.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:20:34 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 07:39:12 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-34.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 07:41:44 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-34.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:42:11 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-34.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 07:43:52 *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 07:44:43 *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 07:45:18 <TrueBrain> DaleStan: 07:45:19 <TrueBrain> # svn update 07:45:19 <TrueBrain> [06:03:11] Update failed 07:46:18 <TrueBrain> the changes.log in the latest archive, is just fine 08:12:53 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57a0f8ed.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:15:35 *** hnsn [~hnsn@pc11-321-01.Student.hig.se] has joined #openttd 08:16:40 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0D0C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:30:53 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 08:49:19 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl7-182-70.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 08:53:46 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 08:56:22 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-182-70.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:18:30 *** eJoJ-zZz is now known as eJoJ 09:20:36 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 09:22:22 <eJoJ> Is it posible to force openttd spawning multiple threads while running in a nix based system? 09:23:29 <ln-> and what would it do with those other threads? 09:23:45 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:23:46 <eJoJ> mosix =D 09:25:38 <Maedhros> no. apart from a very few things (saving, the progress bar on map generation), openttd doesn't use threads 09:25:52 <Maedhros> and it would require pretty much a total rewrite to make it use them 09:26:43 <eJoJ> :/ guess i have to wait a few years before i have hardware to play on 2048*2048 map 09:27:07 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:28:14 <hnsn> eJoJ: what do u have now? 09:28:33 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:29:08 <eJoJ> p4 3.2 1024 mb 09:29:16 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-34.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29:42 <eJoJ> it works OK, till around 2200 when my trainnetwork get's to huge 09:29:43 <hnsn> that should work, i think 09:29:50 <hnsn> aha 09:30:01 <hnsn> =D 09:30:17 <hnsn> do u turn off autosave? 09:30:20 <eJoJ> well it is playable but in turned based speed 09:30:35 *** Morphy [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has joined #openttd 09:31:02 <eJoJ> yes autosave is off, and it get's a little bit better turning of improved loading, but still not playable 09:31:06 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35:28 <neli> how big is huge ? 09:35:46 <neli> 2048*2048 is huge :) 09:36:02 * neli is also playing that size, but it's bigger than he thought :) 09:36:54 * boekabart_ made a NL scenario that size, but found out it takes a lot of time even to build that first 20 km dutch railway from amsterdam to haarlem 09:37:17 <boekabart_> all of holland at about 150 meter per tile... 09:37:50 <hnsn> =D 09:38:02 <peter1138> heh 09:38:11 <peter1138> and people want more... 09:38:14 <neli> btw, if I'm moving the map and the autosave kicks in, it jumps far in the moving direction 09:38:24 <neli> anyone seen this too ? 09:38:44 <boekabart_> probably drag distance is calculated by 'delta time' 09:39:07 <boekabart_> hm, shouldn't should be based on amount of mouse move.... 09:40:01 <eJoJ> neli huge as in my huge network means trying to connect all industries on the map to a single network 09:40:27 <boekabart_> now why would you do that 09:40:49 <peter1138> maximum profit 09:41:13 <neli> eJoJ: I'm also doing that, but have only connected a few percent yet 09:41:26 <neli> maybe I'm simply slow :) 09:41:58 <eJoJ> i've done it a few times, but started with some serious attempts once i found #openttdcoop 09:42:10 <neli> the towns are really big, much bigger than in original ttd 09:42:53 <neli> time seems to go quicker too, not 100% sure though 09:44:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82AE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:44:33 <eJoJ> Anyone tried playing i resourceneedy game on a paralell cluster? i could always redesign some of my old computers to form a paralell cluster for openttd 09:45:38 <boekabart_> peter1138 / eJoJ: i mean, 1 single network 09:46:07 <peter1138> because people like doing that 09:46:10 <boekabart_> isn't it often more efficient to keep them split? (although a lot less cool, admitted) 09:47:11 <eJoJ> I create a few mainlines and reuse them, and running multiple trains on that line, separete networks is easy, and i find more joy in the challenge of builing large optimizd networks running more then 1000 trains in it 09:47:50 <neli> busy network crossings are fun to watch 09:47:56 <neli> not when they're jammed though ;) 09:48:11 <hnsn> =D 10:06:41 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip79.cab86.tln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 10:08:20 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: maedhros * r9654 /trunk/src/ (gfx.cpp table/palettes.h): -Fix: Add string colours for the DOS palette and use them when playing with the DOS data files. 10:10:11 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip79.cab86.tln.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:11:17 <boekabart_> any dev: what does TileLoop do exactly? 10:11:47 <peter1138> it's part of the periodic tile loop 10:12:14 <peter1138> what it does depends on the tile 10:13:35 <boekabart_> are there essential things in there, or mainly gfx changes? 10:13:45 <peter1138> essential things 10:13:56 <boekabart_> not just things like fences, farm changes and so? 10:14:49 *** orudge [~orudge@138.251.254.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:14:51 <peter1138> no 10:15:08 <Maedhros> animations, newgrf callbacks, house demolitions... 10:15:19 <boekabart_> ok, so it MUST be run every N ticks for every tile, right? 10:15:20 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-59.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 10:15:36 <peter1138> flooding 10:16:08 <peter1138> for multiplayer syncage, yes 10:16:37 <boekabart_> right. it just sounds like it is a candidate for multithreading 10:16:49 <Rubidium> it ain't 10:16:59 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:17:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 10:17:03 <Rubidium> vehicle moving can be influenced by the TileLoop 10:17:06 <boekabart_> although... it would have to be synched every tick though 10:17:14 <boekabart_> yeah, i see 10:18:00 <Rubidium> thus when in client A the TileLoop runs faster than in client B and in client A a vehicle gets flooded and in client B not... desync 10:19:36 <Rubidium> in case the vehicle is on the border of the tile and in client B it moved off the tile and in client A not yet 10:20:39 <boekabart_> yeah, i see. 10:23:56 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:39:10 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-59.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40:43 <peter1138> possibly graphics could be split off but you'd not be able to redraw during game processing time, so it wouldn't gain you much 10:42:16 *** michi_cc [1cfeba77c2@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Quit: michi_cc] 10:45:41 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 10:45:57 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:52:05 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:55:33 *** michi_cc [196c4d78cc@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 10:55:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 11:05:29 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:05:37 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:58 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 11:21:41 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-37-199.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:23:25 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:53 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-37-199.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:40:00 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:48:55 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 12:10:06 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 12:11:43 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [] 12:11:58 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 12:15:03 <Ailure> hmm 12:15:06 <Ailure> drat 12:15:12 <Ailure> One thing that caught my attention 12:16:02 <Ailure> a newGRF could detect if you were using TTDpatch or openTTD and would set diffrent parameters depending on what you used. I'm trying figure out how he did that. 12:19:55 <Maedhros> use action 7 (or 9) and check variable 9D to check for open or patch 12:20:15 <Maedhros> then use action D to set the parameters 12:20:46 <Ailure> ah 12:20:48 <Ailure> that was hidden 12:20:51 <Ailure> but intresting 12:21:07 <Ailure> I mean 12:21:18 <Ailure> it wasn't totally obious from the index 12:21:28 <Ailure> not like I needed it, as just curious. :P 12:21:43 <Ailure> TTRS3 turns off or on airports depending on if it's OTTD or not 12:21:59 <Ailure> as the new airports in OTTD looks rather glitchy with the TTRS3 graphical replacement 12:23:35 *** maad_ [~emade@83.15.80.18] has joined #openttd 12:24:23 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 12:25:51 *** maad [~emade@82.160.115.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:56 *** maad [~emade@83.15.80.18] has joined #openttd 12:26:56 *** maad_ [~emade@83.15.80.18] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:29:51 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:46 *** maad_ [~emade@83.15.80.18] has joined #openttd 12:30:46 *** maad [~emade@83.15.80.18] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:30:56 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:00 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 12:35:58 *** maad_ [~emade@83.15.80.18] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:07 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:36:37 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 12:36:47 *** Taikaponi [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 12:37:13 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:41:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1cbab.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:49:28 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:49:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:03:39 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-178-118.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:05:23 <Belugas> hello 13:05:43 <HMage> ?? 13:05:44 <HMage> hi 13:06:06 <hnsn> y0 13:06:06 <Belugas> [08:19] <Maedhros> use action 7 (or 9) and check variable 9D to check for open or patch <---- interesting enough, that variable was created by patchman while i was making my first attempt of newhouses :D 13:06:10 <Belugas> way before i was a dev 13:06:47 <peter1138> waa. too hot 13:07:06 <Belugas> peter1138, stfu ;) 13:07:15 <Maedhros> ^^ what he said ;) 13:07:32 <Belugas> you are just a bunch of cruel people! 13:07:52 <hylje> :o 13:07:58 <Maedhros> nah, in this case i'm agreeing with you :) 13:08:12 * peter1138 just put the fans on full blast 13:09:09 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-109-082.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:19 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 13:09:31 *** eJoJ [~Aim@4.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:50 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57a0f8ed.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14:19 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:14:19 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> my computer has trouble with the heat 13:16:07 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57a0f8ed.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:07 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16:18 <Belugas> i could send you a breeze of fresh COLD air! 13:16:31 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:16:37 <Belugas> we have freezing rain AND rain at the same time 13:16:43 <Belugas> wonderfull weather :S 13:16:53 <glx> <Eddi|zuHause2> my computer has trouble with the heat <-- mine too, sometimes the cpu fan doesn't want to slow down 13:17:05 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:17:37 <Belugas> move to Quebec! no problem at all with cpu heat!!! 13:18:55 <ln-> isn't it Québec? 13:18:57 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 13:19:26 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB7DDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:20:28 *** eJoJ [~Aim@4.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:20:58 <Belugas> it would be, but i'm too lazy to use the é on my us keyboard! 13:21:08 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57a0f8ed.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:21:36 <Belugas> shold be "&eacte;" though 13:21:46 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57a0f8ed.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:04 <peter1138> hmm 13:24:08 <peter1138> altgr+e é 13:24:24 <ln-> EUR 13:24:45 <Belugas> é 13:24:54 <Belugas> alt+130 13:25:09 <Belugas> altgr?? 13:25:22 <Belugas> where is ANY key??? 13:25:28 <glx> right alt 13:25:47 <glx> == ctrl-alt 13:25:57 <peter1138> i wanted to get some proper cycling shoes but they had none in my size :( 13:26:03 <peter1138> nope 13:26:11 <peter1138> ctrl-alt-e doesn't work 13:26:23 <glx> it does here EUR 13:26:35 <hnsn> µ 13:26:50 <peter1138> i prefer it under X, anyway. it's more flexible 13:27:43 *** eJoJ [~Aim@4.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 13:28:08 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 13:29:52 <Belugas> peter1138, bare naked feet! 13:30:12 <peter1138> yes 13:30:26 <peter1138> and i shall fit SPD cleats into my soles 13:30:26 <Belugas> or swim ;) 13:30:35 <peter1138> i could swim along the canal 13:30:45 <peter1138> though it wouldn't get me very far 13:31:08 <Belugas> hehe 13:38:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> have you seen google maps, where, if you want to go from "new york" to "paris", it suggest to "swim through the atlantic"? 13:38:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> +s 13:38:18 <peter1138> who hasn't? 13:38:41 *** eJoJ [~Aim@4.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:45:14 <TheMask96> alt+0128 == EUR 13:45:57 <hnsn> EUR 13:45:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> é = ' + e 13:46:12 <hnsn> é 13:46:16 <hnsn> 'e 13:46:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you have dead keys enabled, that is ;) 13:47:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> ýáé???úíó?, it refuses to do q :( 13:54:47 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-37-199.adslplus.ch] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:54:53 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-37-199.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 13:58:46 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:11:44 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387E928.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:18:01 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 14:18:29 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D087.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:00 *** eJoJ [~Aim@4.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:03 <roboman> gnight 14:40:06 * roboman is away: Doing homework, upset, grumpy, angry and in truble. 14:40:13 <roboman> bah 14:40:19 <roboman> that needs changing 14:40:54 * roboman is back (gone 00:00:48) 14:40:59 * roboman is away: Away or Asleep 14:41:25 <TrueBrain> how about just disabling it? 14:41:31 <TrueBrain> and that isn't really a suggestion 14:44:00 <peter1138> hmm? 14:44:09 <peter1138> oh 14:44:37 <TrueBrain> it was more like a very strong advise which is not smart to ignore :p :p 14:45:55 <roboman> good its turned off 14:46:09 <TrueBrain> tnx :) 15:05:18 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 15:05:18 <Thomas[NL]> !logs 15:08:18 *** eJoJ [~Aim@4.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:10:30 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 15:10:47 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 15:14:57 *** hnsn [~hnsn@pc11-321-01.Student.hig.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 15:21:03 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:24:33 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-37-199.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24:56 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-37-199.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 15:26:18 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@121.44.233.113] has joined #openttd 15:26:22 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@121.44.233.113] has quit [] 15:32:56 *** graeme [~graeme@88-104-87-178.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:34:56 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 15:38:56 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:56:26 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:11:08 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl7-182-70.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 16:11:54 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 16:13:13 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl7-182-70.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 16:18:46 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:24 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 16:26:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host231-235-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:26:52 <Wolf01> hello 16:28:10 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:28:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:28:36 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:57 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3D858.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:25 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3D2A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:10 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-198-113.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:49:16 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-198-113.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 17:08:44 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Words get written, words get twisted, old meanings change in the drift of time.] 17:09:10 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:13:28 *** Digitalfox[Home]_ [~chatzilla@bl7-185-141.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 17:14:50 <TrueBrain> hi Wolf :) 17:15:28 <hylje> Wolves? Where? 17:17:19 <Thomas[NL]> Is it possible to have a train Full load at Station A, Transfer and unload At Station B AND take the cargo there to Station A? 17:18:52 <Progman> try "Transfer" instead of "Transfer (and leave empty)" 17:19:04 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl7-182-70.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:14 *** Digitalfox[Home]_ is now known as Digitalfox[Home] 17:20:19 <Thomas[NL]> ok I'll try that 17:21:52 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:22:05 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:24:03 <Thomas[NL]> no does not work :(, I guess cargo-destinations is needed for this kind of things 17:25:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> Thomas[NL]: the train cannot distinguish between the cargo you just unloaded and the cargo that already waited at the station 17:26:14 <Thomas[NL]> I noticed :), would be nice if it worked 17:26:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's like you unload a bucket of water into a barrel, and then want to pick up new water from that same barrel 17:26:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> you need two separate barrels for that to work 17:27:29 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 17:30:29 <Thomas[NL]> Will Passengers/Mail with Specific Destinations be implemented or is it too much a change of the game-play? 17:32:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is a planned feature 17:32:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> related to rebalancing and difficulty levels 17:32:26 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:32:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i assume it's gonna take a while 17:34:24 <Progman> as it cause a lot of desync in multiplayer atm 17:35:10 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 17:35:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> Progman: if you refer to the existing patch, that has probably nothing to do with an official implementation 17:36:34 <Thomas[NL]> Is it only pax or is cargo also planned? 17:37:27 <Progman> I mean it won't be imlemented if the desync aren't fixed 17:37:35 <Noldo> in code it's not a big difference anyway 17:38:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> Progman: there are no desync issues in non-existing code 17:38:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> ergo there is nothing to fix 17:38:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> it will be a completely new implementation 17:39:08 <Thomas[NL]> silly question:... why? 17:39:37 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:39:47 <Noldo> Thomas[NL]: why what? 17:39:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> because it's easier than to fix a completely misdesigned and broken implementation? 17:40:01 <Rubidium> why don't Opera, Firefox and Internet Explorer use the same HTML parsing and rendering system? 17:40:05 <Thomas[NL]> why recode the whole thing 17:40:18 <Progman> the patch atm is only a "testdrive" and if it looks cool/work properbly/balanced it will be implemented from scratch by an official developer with references/checks/questions to the author of the patch? 17:40:35 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40:36 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 17:40:36 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd assume the official implementation will have nothing to do with the patch author 17:41:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i'm not a dev, i don't have to decide that 17:42:48 <peter1138> hmm, what? 17:54:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9655 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Revert (r9094 partial): *Do* calculate refit masks for unavailable vehicle types... things like articulated engines can still build these parts... ... ... dot dot dot 17:56:25 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489CEBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:40 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-224-078.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:09:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9656 /branches/0.5/ (namegen.c rail_cmd.c settings_gui.c): 18:09:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r9602, r9641, r9647): 18:09:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Building rail on steep slopes ignored build_on_slopes patch setting (r9602) 18:09:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: namegen.cpp was not UTF-8, which caused artefacts in Finnish town names (r9641) 18:09:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Select "Custom" in the difficulty settings gui when changing a setting [FS#733] (r9647) 18:17:51 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:39 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:02 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:24:45 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.9.203] has joined #openttd 18:26:42 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp91-76-144-9.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:33:48 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 18:34:32 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:42:24 *** acerbus [~kreedovel@213-35-169-161-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 18:42:38 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:45:13 *** Maedhros [~jc@smtp.gentoo.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:46:45 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387E928.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:53:21 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387E928.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:47 <dihedral> i witnessed 2 dsync errors today... watching the console 19:02:50 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:05:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9657 /branches/0.5/lang/ (esperanto.txt italian.txt traditional_chinese.txt): 19:05:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r9585, r9613, r9615, r9633, r9640, r9649): 19:05:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Language updates (r9585, r9613, r9615, r9633, r9640, r9649) 19:08:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9658 /trunk/src/openttd.h: 19:08:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Codechange: CT_FOOD is not part of temperate climate, place it accordingly in arctic. 19:08:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: It could be put in tropic too, but it can be placed in both, so first to catch it... 19:08:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9659 /branches/0.5/lang/ (italian.txt traditional_chinese.txt): [0.5] -Fix r9656: missed 2 hunks in last commit 19:27:25 <Thomas[NL]> It costs me money to deliver grain & livestock :s 19:29:40 <Wolf01> "In our city the Internet exists more than 30 Years!!!" really? XD 19:31:07 <Sacro|Laptop> Wolf01: doubt ti 19:31:17 <Sacro|Laptop> Arpanet was only just founded 19:31:36 <Wolf01> internet as we know it today was born in 1991 19:32:01 <lolman> Sacro|Laptop, oh noes 19:32:06 <Sacro|Laptop> indeed 19:32:17 <Sacro|Laptop> the PPC port still has no GPL notice attached 19:33:32 <Thomas[NL]> anybody any idea why it costs me to deliver?, Using UK-renewal, TTRS3.02a and alot of eyecandy grf's 19:38:07 <Thomas[NL]> Can it be caused by using transfer? 19:38:20 <lolman> Sacro|Laptop, I got tempted away from Arch by working WiFi :o 19:39:39 <Belugas> Thomas[NL], you do not provide enough information to compute... 19:39:53 <Belugas> screenshot, distance, version... 19:39:55 <Belugas> INFOS!!!! 19:40:19 <Rubidium> savegame? 19:40:34 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:34 <Thomas[NL]> I'll post a save game 19:41:05 *** DJ_Samu [~Samu@85.139.78.47] has joined #openttd 19:41:28 <DJ_Samu> hi 19:41:53 <DJ_Samu> I wanted to report a bug, is this the place? 19:42:15 <Thomas[NL]> http://www.megaupload.com/nl/?d=6X8WWOSX 19:42:27 <Thomas[NL]> using latest nightly 19:42:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> DJ_Samu: bugs.openttd.org 19:42:43 <Thomas[NL]> r9655 19:43:19 <Thomas[NL]> my config: http://www.megaupload.com/nl/?d=4WU5W6HE 19:44:05 <DJ_Samu> ah, I wouldn't like to register to that site, it's not like I play openttd all the time 19:44:23 <Thomas[NL]> the grain/livestock trains going to Duntstoke common woods make a loss. 19:44:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> you do not need to register 19:45:19 <DJ_Samu> Can I tell what the bug is here? It crashes the server, and I know how to reproduce it. 19:46:21 <DJ_Samu> you buy 2 vehicles, but don't give them any orders 19:46:33 <DaleStan> DJ_Samu: <Eddi|zuHause2> DJ_Samu: bugs.openttd.org 19:46:52 <DJ_Samu> now with one of the vehicles, you share orders with the other vehicle that still doesn't have any orders 19:47:12 <DJ_Samu> now when you highlight ---End of Shared Orders --- and click Delete ORder, it crashes the server 19:47:15 <Rubidium> what version? 19:47:15 <glx> DJ_Samu: known 19:47:31 <glx> 0.5.1-RC2 I guess 19:47:36 <DJ_Samu> it's 0.5.1-rc2 19:48:14 <DJ_Samu> is it known? I didn't see it listed in the known bugs .txt, so just wanted to let you know 19:48:41 <glx> the .txt can't contain bugs discovered after the release :) 19:48:42 <Rubidium> maybe that's a problem with bugs that get known after they are released 19:49:38 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 19:51:25 <DJ_Samu> there's another similar bug to this, instead of deleting the "end of shared orders" order, and you sell the vehicle with shared orders but without orders, it also crashes 19:52:01 <DJ_Samu> oops, a typo 19:52:19 <DJ_Samu> if you seel the vehicle with shared orders with without orders, it crashes the game 19:52:38 <DJ_Samu> very nice work with OpenTTD, I really enjoy the multiplayer aspect! 19:52:54 <DJ_Samu> I just discovered openttd recently 19:53:47 <Rubidium> 0.5.1-rc2 isn't quite the bugfree version it should've been :( 19:54:24 <glx> it has less fatal bugs that 0.5.1-RC1 at least :) 19:54:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have never seen the bugfree program everything was supposed to be :) 19:55:27 <glx> very simple programs can be easily bugfree 19:55:30 <Rubidium> s/bugfree/bugless/ 19:55:49 <DJ_Samu> any of you is a developer? 19:56:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have seen 3-line programs containing 2 bugs :) 19:56:33 <DJ_Samu> I'm looking at the flyspray site, but it requires me to register... 19:56:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can post bugs without registering 19:57:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> at least you are supposed to 20:02:12 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:24 <DJ_Samu> The other day I registered at the forums, but I didn't receive any confirmation email 20:02:45 <DJ_Samu> How long does it take to send the confirmation email? 20:02:47 <Rubidium> DJ_Samu: those bugs are probably already fixed; if they still exist in 0.5.1-RC3 you should post a bugreport 20:03:03 <DJ_Samu> Thank you. Nice job! :) 20:08:16 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:08:44 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 20:08:44 <Thomas[NL]> !logs 20:09:52 *** antichaos [~IceChat7@host86-137-191-238.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:11:14 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9660 /branches/0.5/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [0.5] -Prepare 0.5 branch for release of 0.5.1-RC3. 20:14:36 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17:24 *** DJ_Samu [~Samu@85.139.78.47] has quit [] 20:19:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9661 /tags/0.5.1-RC3/ (6 files): -Release 0.5.1-RC3. 20:21:49 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:23:18 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9662 /trunk/src/ (31 files in 3 dirs): -Documentation: Doxygen corrections and @file omissions 20:23:37 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:37 <Rubidium> michi_cc: can you make the Win64 binaries? 20:37:49 <Wolf01> can you make ... nintendoDS binaries? :D 20:39:45 <Rubidium> yes... if you port it to nintendoDS and give me the proper tools, libraries and headers to cross-compile it 20:40:00 <Bjarni> ... 20:40:08 <Bjarni> please don't remind me of .... him 20:40:23 <Bjarni> the n00b wannabe 20:40:39 <Bjarni> or the guy training to become a n00b 20:41:19 <SpComb> but I wanna have OpenTTD on my XBox :( 20:41:43 <Rubidium> then port it 20:41:49 * antichaos wonders whether it wold work on his old zaurus 20:42:01 <Bjarni> that's more likely to happen than a Nintendo DS port (specially if alexfili should code it) 20:44:22 <Sacro|Laptop> :o BJARNI! 20:44:40 <Bjarni> wow 20:45:06 <Bjarni> Sacro managed to figure out how to use a labtop :o 20:45:11 <Bjarni> or something 20:45:32 *** Ammller [~Ammler@84.226.108.255] has joined #openttd 20:47:42 <Bjarni> Sacro|Laptop: any news? 20:47:55 <Bjarni> committed anymore girls? 20:48:03 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-37-199.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:49:05 *** graeme [~graeme@88-104-87-178.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:49:49 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: im going blind in my left eye 20:50:00 <Bjarni> why? 20:50:52 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:54 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 20:51:42 *** acerbus [~kreedovel@213-35-169-161-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [] 20:52:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> too much masturbating :p 20:52:50 <Bjarni> he hit himself in the eye a moment ago and figures that the damage is permanent :p 20:53:08 <Bjarni> hmm 20:53:28 <Bjarni> if it's true that his eye is broken, then comments like that wouldn't be nice 20:53:45 <Bjarni> but we know Sacro 20:53:51 <dihedral> perhaps it would be good to realize that a few minutes earlier 20:54:00 <dihedral> :-) 20:54:08 <Noldo> meni jo 20:54:20 <ln-> nii-i 20:54:31 <Bjarni> dihedral: I did... I wrote it anyway :p 20:54:37 <dihedral> hehe 20:54:49 <dihedral> way to go 20:55:03 <Sacro|Laptop> yes, my eye is broken 20:55:04 <Bjarni> Sacro would likely have done the same 20:55:08 <ln-> but what was that danish site for booking flights? 20:55:17 <dihedral> just in case no one read it: i witnessed 2 desyncs today 20:55:28 <ln-> maybe mo*o*... something 20:55:28 <Bjarni> I read that 20:55:35 <dihedral> ah - ok 20:55:41 <dihedral> just left uncommented 20:55:43 <Bjarni> Sacro|Laptop: that's bad... why? 20:56:04 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: i dont know, i've got an appointment to get it looked at on fridat 20:56:55 <dihedral> wow - his eye is broken 20:57:04 <dihedral> even missed the 'y' and hit a 't' 20:57:18 <dihedral> :-P 20:57:32 <Sacro|Laptop> im struggling to get both eyes to focus on the same point 20:57:48 <Bjarni> you know, stuff like that could be minor issues like needing glasses or so, so it's not the same as a lost eye 20:58:11 <dihedral> a lost eye could look nasty too 20:58:31 <Bjarni> <Sacro|Laptop> im struggling to get both eyes to focus on the same point <-- this could also indicate the need for glasses 20:58:32 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:58:33 <Frostregen> then close the left one 20:58:51 <Sacro|Laptop> Frostregen: yes, that works nicely 20:59:16 <dihedral> and you are sure it is not just an infection 20:59:20 <Frostregen> i know, i have the same problem just not this severe 20:59:31 <Bjarni> if the eyes are too different, then you can't make them focus on the same object and the brain will start to use one eye only. Then the lazy eye will go even worse over time because it's not used 20:59:56 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: it got worse last night whilst i slept 21:00:14 <Bjarni> <Frostregen> i know, i have the same problem just not this severe <-- then you should check if you need glasses as well 21:00:25 <dihedral> lol 21:00:58 <Bjarni> <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: it got worse last night whilst i slept <-- ok, bad eyes due to not being used tend to take way longer than that... 21:01:09 <Frostregen> this said some techer to me...15 years ago 21:01:10 <dihedral> if it is some infection you could have pus on the eye... but then it would be itchey too 21:01:15 <Frostregen> teacher* 21:01:19 <Bjarni> rapidly changing eyesight is a visit doctor thing 21:01:56 <dihedral> yeah - or time to go to bed 21:02:06 <Frostregen> lol 21:02:08 <Sacro|Laptop> dihedral: its not itchy at all, and i'd had a decent sleep 21:02:25 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: i went to accident and emergancy, they said i should have just gone to my gp 21:03:13 <Frostregen> i think if the other one gets bad too, i'll just let it laser 21:03:14 <Wolf01> i see with different bright, the right one see more dark than the left one 21:03:25 <Frostregen> cheaper than glasses in long term 21:03:35 <Bjarni> I'm not sure I agree with that decision. Rapidly changing eyesight is not a trivial matter 21:03:37 <dihedral> and more comfortable too 21:04:04 <Sacro|Laptop> Wolf01: my left eye is more blue, my right is more red 21:04:20 <Frostregen> maybe some optical-brain links are available then =) 21:04:21 <dihedral> you are turning into some kind of devil 21:04:32 <dihedral> uh... scary 21:04:48 <dihedral> no bain... no barin-link 21:04:52 <dihedral> *brain 21:05:16 <Wolf01> and i have a dead pixel on my right eye... oh wait, that's in the display 21:05:18 <Bjarni> <Sacro|Laptop> Wolf01: my left eye is more blue, my right is more red <-- it's common that eyes aren't 100% the same colour 21:05:34 <Bjarni> just like your ears aren't just a mirror image of each other 21:05:44 <Sacro|Laptop> yeah, thats true 21:05:49 <Sacro|Laptop> im slightly deaf in my left ear 21:05:56 <dihedral> what? 21:06:12 <Bjarni> what happened to your left head 21:06:14 <Bjarni> err 21:06:16 <Wolf01> i don't mean the eye color, i mean that i see things more dark with an eye, sometimes i can see an edge line :P 21:06:20 <Bjarni> *left side of your head 21:06:21 <Bjarni> :) 21:06:42 <Bjarni> you have a bad ear and a bad eye 21:06:44 <Sacro|Laptop> nothing, i was born like this 21:06:47 <Sacro|Laptop> i have bad legs too 21:06:52 <Wolf01> me too 21:06:53 *** Bjarni changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.1-RC3 | Website: *.openttd.org (Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Bug-reports: bugs) 21:07:10 <dihedral> if you feel like listing it all up, you'll be here tomorrow... 21:07:25 <Bjarni> no we won't 21:07:36 <Bjarni> nomatter what you say, I always have the quit button 21:07:43 <dihedral> :-P 21:07:51 <Sacro|Laptop> my feet arent straight 21:07:56 <Bjarni> I also have a button that makes other people quit, but I don't use that one on a daily basis 21:08:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9663 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Merge: Release changes from 0.5 branch back to trunk. 21:08:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:46 <Bjarni> Sacro|Laptop: did your mother smoke or drink during pregnancy? 21:08:50 <Bjarni> or both 21:08:53 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has left #openttd [Your eyes grow heavy.. you grow very sleepy..... zzzz...] 21:09:04 <dihedral> did she drop you while you were small? 21:09:12 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: not that i'm aware of 21:09:16 <Bjarni> that would make him getting born that way 21:09:21 <ln-> Bjarni: is flybillet.dk a reliable place to buy tickets? 21:09:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9664 /trunk/src/ (9 files): -Documentation: Doxygen corrections,errors and omissions 21:09:52 <Bjarni> you know, he will not be born with defects due to stuff happening after birth.... time is linear... at least for Sacro 21:10:36 <Bjarni> ln-: checking in the "known good list" 21:11:01 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: how do you know i dont see logarithmic time? 21:11:37 <ln-> Bjarni: they have some extremely inexpensive flights Helsinki-Barcelona for the summer. 21:11:44 <Belugas> good night 21:11:59 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 21:13:12 <Bjarni> ln-: it looks ok. At least they passed the test for being a nice online shop, that live up to the demands in the law and such 21:13:20 <Wolf01> night Belugas 21:13:24 <Bjarni> night Belugas 21:14:00 <Sacro|Laptop> night Belugas 21:14:18 *** Desolator [Desolator@86.126.53.25] has joined #openttd 21:14:30 <ln-> 875 DKK for a return trip is not very much, is it? 21:14:34 <Desolator> I have found a strange bug with ships 21:14:39 <ln-> which includes all taxes and such 21:14:52 <Wolf01> Sacro|Laptop, i see sine time... work-break-work-home 21:15:22 <Sacro|Laptop> Wolf01: haha 21:15:26 <Sacro|Laptop> right, brb, going out 21:15:37 <Wolf01> bye 21:16:27 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host231-235-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:16:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host231-235-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Wolfolo|AWAY))] 21:16:28 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.9.203] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:16:37 <Wolfolo|AWAY> not me stupid access point! 21:16:40 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 21:16:59 <glx> lol 21:17:02 <Desolator> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/736 21:17:23 <glx> Desolator: there's already a reply 21:17:32 <Bjarni> <ln-> 875 DKK for a return trip is not very much, is it? <--- I have no idea, but the company looks like it's a decent one (like you will get the full price once you order and so on) 21:17:39 <Bjarni> you know, I rarely travel from Helsinki to barcelona ;) 21:17:55 <Bjarni> hmm 21:18:02 <ln-> the airline is Iberia 21:18:09 <Desolator> I saw KUDr's reply 21:18:17 <Wolf01> DonKeyKong? 21:18:25 <Bjarni> specially considering that I have never been to either Finland or Spain, then prices on that route has little interest for me 21:18:28 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-224-078.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 21:18:49 <Bjarni> <ln-> the airline is Iberia <-- never heard about those 21:19:10 <Bjarni> so I can't flame them for bad security or service or anything 21:19:46 <ln-> "Iberia[,] is the largest airline of Spain, based in Madrid. It operates an extensive international network of services." 21:20:29 <Bjarni> then there is a fair chance that it will not crash ;) 21:21:03 <Bjarni> what I don't get is: why leave a beautiful country like Finland? 21:21:18 <ln-> to see spain. 21:21:52 <Desolator> KUDr, I replied 21:21:59 <Desolator> YAPF is the problem 21:22:00 <Bjarni> I have been to the south once (Malta)... big mistake 21:22:08 <Bjarni> too hot 21:23:00 <Bjarni> I had to stay indoor waiting for the outside temperature to drop so I could get outside 21:23:36 <ln-> i was in italy last summer, in july. it was quite warm. 21:23:40 <ln-> over 30 probably. 21:24:05 <Bjarni> then why do you want to go south again? 21:24:36 <ln-> because warmness is nice once in a while. 21:24:43 <ln-> when you remember to drink enough. 21:25:20 <Bjarni> well, my body disagrees 21:25:56 <Bjarni> in fact my body is well suited for the country I live in 21:26:36 <Bjarni> well, air humidity should be a bit lower to make it perfect, but you can't get everything 21:27:31 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:33 <Bjarni> anyway it's late and I'm sleepy 21:27:35 <Bjarni> goodnight 21:27:37 <ln-> gn 21:27:41 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:32:05 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 21:38:10 *** Desolator [Desolator@86.126.53.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:43 *** PlayMeNow [Desolator@86.122.153.87] has joined #openttd 21:45:37 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 21:47:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: the trick is to stay home during summer, when it is warm, and go to the south (teneriffa, madeira etc.) in the winter, while it is cold here, but acceptably warm there 21:47:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> during the summer you should rather travel to norway or something 21:49:19 *** PlayMeNow [Desolator@86.122.153.87] has quit [Quit: g'night] 21:49:39 <ln-> i've been to norway already. 21:50:49 <ln-> and it isn't that warm over here on average. 21:52:44 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31537 ship bridges o_O 21:53:12 <ln-> i liked the climate of gran canaria in december/january, but i'd prefer a little less tourists. 21:54:26 <Ailure> heh 21:54:28 <Ailure> ship bridges 21:54:35 <Ailure> I don't know why it hadn't been done before 21:55:21 <Digitalfox[Home]> does it work with openttd? 21:55:38 <Wolf01> i think not 21:56:41 <Ailure> Well it's something relativly recent :p 21:57:33 <Ailure> a such bridge would solve some situations where it's imposible to canal becuse of competitors tracks being in the way 21:58:23 <Digitalfox[Home]> And it will be availbe at what menu? Build bridges?? Just like a normal one? 21:58:30 <Wolf01> i would like to see first decent locks, they are shown as slopes, but i think that ttdpatch behaviour is more realistic 21:58:48 <Wolf01> then the ability to rename buoys 21:59:10 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause2: on gran canaria i learned that spanish mail boxes have two holes, labeled "Deutschland" and "Other destinations", respectively. 22:00:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> haha ;) 22:01:38 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 22:01:42 * Wolf01 nods 22:01:50 <Wolf01> night people 22:01:57 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host231-235-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:13:55 * antichaos slams his head into the desk 22:14:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> poor desk 22:14:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> (the smarter one gives in) 22:14:51 <antichaos> this is the 4th time I've totally rewritten this feature, and it's still not right 22:16:18 <antichaos> I really should learn to work out what I want to do before I do something 22:35:02 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:36:26 <rane_> how do you determine correct ratio for cars per train? 22:36:45 <rane_> correct as in optimal 22:36:50 <rane_> any rules of thumb? 22:48:03 <ln-> 4 22:48:26 <rane_> 4? 22:49:09 <ln-> might be too few, but easy to remember. 22:51:10 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:52:49 *** Daimos [~Daimos@p57B2930D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:55:31 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-105-163-46.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:56:39 <TheJosh> Hey! Who would I talk to if i wanted to get my patch, 'the cities patch' code-reviewed, put into trunk, etc. 22:56:43 <TheJosh> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31528 22:58:38 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 22:59:13 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@87.102.9.203] has joined #openttd 23:03:08 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 23:12:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> "do svn status, remove all modified files and then do svn update" <- ever tried 'svn revert'? 23:14:22 <Rubidium> `svn st | xargs rm -rf && svn up` ;) 23:14:46 <TheJosh> ok you win 23:15:04 * Sacro|Laptop tries to find a better way still... 23:15:07 <TheJosh> I think the point is not linux skills, but rather the patch 23:15:11 <Rubidium> or `rm -rf * && svn up` 23:15:28 <TheJosh> you could make a bash script, and call it fix, so its hardly any charecters 23:15:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> the point is, i have no authority to talk about the patch... 23:15:53 <TheJosh> put it in your path, then you dont need ./fix 23:16:05 <Rubidium> TheJosh: just make an alias ;) 23:16:51 <TheJosh> Back to the point, who should I talk to to get this patch beyond just a patch, but into mainline source? 23:16:57 <TheJosh> trunk 23:16:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> but don't you think it would be better to create an option a la "few, medium, lots" instead of absolute numbers? 23:17:09 <Sacro|Laptop> i prefer absolute 23:17:13 <Sacro|Laptop> allows fine tuning 23:17:32 <antichaos> TheJosh post it to the patch tracker at bugs.openttd.org 23:17:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> 1 AM is not exactly the best time to get responses from devs :) 23:18:01 <Rubidium> I'd say that he should fix his coding style before he does that 23:18:17 <TheJosh> its not 1 am where I am 23:18:35 <TheJosh> Rubidium: what should I fix? 23:18:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> about 90% of the devs are european 23:18:42 <antichaos> well yes, fix the code style and document completely 23:18:43 <Rubidium> more 1 pm-ish? 23:18:47 <TheJosh> I am australian 23:19:22 <antichaos> comment style seems to be particularly important 23:19:28 <TheJosh> antichaos: could you give me more info please, this is my first patch... I have commented all my code 23:19:51 <antichaos> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Coding_style 23:23:07 <antichaos> time to go. nite all 23:23:17 <antichaos> good luck with your patch TheJosh 23:23:21 *** antichaos [~IceChat7@host86-137-191-238.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: OUCH!!!] 23:32:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1cbab.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:19 *** Daimos [~Daimos@p57B2930D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:34:10 <HMage> "Use free(p) instead of if (p != NULL) free(p). free(NULL) doesn't hurt anyone." -- can somebody explain? 23:35:29 <TheJosh> there is no point cheking that p is not null, because free(null) does nothing 23:35:57 <TheJosh> so dont type 'if (p != NULL) free (p)', just type 'free(p)' 23:38:42 <Sacro|Laptop> HMage: saves a bit of cpu time 23:39:45 <TheJosh> basically, and is easier to read 23:40:13 <TheJosh> you save about 7 cpu instructions 23:41:25 <HMage> doesn't free(NULL) lead to segmentation fault? 23:42:36 <TheJosh> if it did, would they sugggest it? 23:42:51 <TheJosh> and a seg fault is when you try to access memory outside of your apps stack. 23:43:02 <TheJosh> NULL is nowhere, so its not in anyones stack 23:45:11 <HMage> hmm.. I was under impression that trying to free(NULL) would lead to crash. 23:45:40 <DaleStan> free(NULL) (and delete NULL and delete[]NULL) are guaranteed to be no-ops 23:46:55 <DaleStan> This is so you can safely free/delete any value malloc/new returns.