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00:03:26 <Digitalfox[Home]> gn 00:03:49 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl8-52-72.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Time for Sleeping] 00:13:53 <Ailure> http://194.47.44.201/openTTD/singeplayer/Ailuro%20Felis%20Transportatio,%2015th%20Aug%201920.png 00:14:30 <Ailure> Why do I always go with such stupid names 00:23:23 <Phazorx> one of last coopgames i played had Teddyweed farm and player with name Teddy :) 00:27:03 *** Morphy [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39:13 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:40:41 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40:41 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 00:48:30 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 00:52:42 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:56:39 *** Zuu 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[~r.erwan@161.222.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 10:21:59 *** re06011988 [~r.erwan@161.222.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has left #openttd [] 10:29:55 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-207-195.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 10:31:14 <peter1138> grrrr 10:31:28 <TheJosh> sorry 10:32:51 <peter1138> hmm? 10:33:18 <TheJosh> oh not grr at me. 10:33:32 <TheJosh> hey i fixed a bunch of those issues with my patch. putting into flyspray 10:37:25 *** Immow [~MIYU@c3eea5fb3.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:37:29 <Immow> hello 10:37:47 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B78974.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 10:38:15 <TheJosh> hey 10:38:27 <peter1138> hmm 10:39:27 <peter1138> _price.build_town = _price.build_industry * 5; 10:39:54 <peter1138> instead of adding a new price, can it just use build_industry * 5 instead? 10:40:03 *** Morphy [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has joined #openttd 10:40:30 <TheJosh> because the industry initial price is 1000000 and the town initial price is 5000000, so I figure if there is no price info in the savegame, i should try to guess a price 10:40:46 <TheJosh> then people cant change the industry price without affecting the town price 10:40:48 <peter1138> it should stay *5 relatively anyway 10:40:50 <peter1138> hmm 10:41:28 <TheJosh> imagine if 1/2 the prices were based on another, and the mess that would cause. 10:41:52 <TheJosh> imagine build a train station = cost of a rail * 1.342 10:42:40 <peter1138> well, build_industry is also used for the existing town actions 10:42:50 <TheJosh> is it? 10:42:55 <peter1138> advertising, statues, road reconstruction, etc 10:43:01 <peter1138> yeah 10:43:07 <TheJosh> oh 10:43:59 <TheJosh> well i have to savegame bump for the network to work anyway...although that would reduce the code needed for the patch 10:45:35 *** hellryder [~hellryder@dslb-084-058-137-244.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:47:04 <Immow> eek 10:47:18 <Immow> I made a "giant screenshot" its still thinking lol :) 10:47:37 <peter1138> :D 10:47:41 <peter1138> it means it 10:47:53 <Immow> I made a junction... very large one 10:48:11 <Immow> merging 4 rows of track like a T section 10:48:49 <TheJosh> dont you just love large screenshots? 10:48:54 <Immow> this is taking to long.. I kiled ttd :) 10:49:16 <TheJosh> i meant large intersections...my mind wanders at this time of nite 10:50:18 <Rubidium> Immow: you should have patience when making a screenshot of the whole map ;) 10:50:34 <TheJosh> i just did a 2048x2048 and pressed CTRL+G 10:50:52 <TheJosh> oh for a love of multitasking, letting it do that while I chat 10:51:39 *** hellryder [~hellryder@dslb-084-058-137-244.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #openttd [] 10:54:40 <Immow> hehe 10:54:48 <Immow> gimme a sec 10:54:55 <Immow> so I can hear what you experts think about it 10:56:55 <Immow> http://immow.nl/4_4_4_junction.png 10:57:38 <Immow> I am wondering if all those "intbetween" signals are needed 10:57:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA39.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:58:02 <Immow> i'm mark em 10:58:30 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:59:32 <Immow> http://immow.nl/signals.png 11:03:59 <TheJosh> that is an intersection and a half 11:04:14 <TheJosh> my system is done with its screenshot. 11:04:23 <TheJosh> its 802 MB (png) 11:04:44 <Rubidium> good luck opening it ;) 11:05:01 <TheJosh> that 4 4 4 is incredible 11:06:01 <Immow> I got more :) 11:06:06 <Immow> this I designed yesterday 11:06:09 <Immow> took me 2 hours 11:06:18 <TheJosh> im only using 230mb of 1gig of ram, should have space for it. 11:06:33 <TheJosh> i love linux, you can do heaps of stuff and use hardly any ram. 11:07:11 <Immow> shame my school makes it imposible to use linux 11:07:22 <Immow> cos I need a few programs to work with 11:07:34 <Immow> and wine or something does not support it 11:07:37 <TheJosh> im loading it into the gimp right now (and timing the load time) 11:08:21 <Immow> but my question about the signals 11:08:24 <Immow> no one can help me? 11:08:34 <TheJosh> whats the signal question? 11:08:43 <Immow> [12:57] <Immow> I am wondering if all those "intbetween" signals are needed 11:08:48 <Immow> [12:58] <Immow> i'm mark em 11:08:53 <Immow> [12:59] <Immow> http://immow.nl/signals.png 11:09:20 <TheJosh> in my opinion, you cant have too many signals. 11:09:25 <Immow> I ment to say: i'l mark em 11:09:31 <Immow> yea 11:09:39 <TheJosh> if there are a few more then needed, who cares? 11:09:41 <Immow> I think now a train will wait halfway now there 11:09:55 <Immow> blocking the rest 11:09:57 <TheJosh> try both options. 11:10:01 <Immow> oke 11:10:07 <TheJosh> see what its like with them, then if you get clogs, remove em 11:10:11 <Immow> now gonna show you my version of 2 on 4 11:11:17 <TheJosh> have fun' 11:12:37 <Immow> http://immow.nl/2_4_4_junction.png 11:12:58 <Immow> my friend found this mod where you can save em as templates 11:13:11 <Immow> this is why i'm going all crazy designing stuff :) 11:19:02 <TheJosh> cool 11:19:12 <TheJosh> its almost loaded the image 11:20:04 <Immow> :) 11:22:31 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 11:22:56 <TheJosh> hey 11:23:40 <TheJosh> how are you 11:23:46 <TheJosh> ? 11:23:52 <TheJosh> i think ttd is cool 11:24:00 <TheJosh> what about you? 11:24:31 <TheJosh> ignore that, that was my sister 11:24:46 <TheJosh> image has loaded, only 18 mins 11:26:37 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-98-34.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 11:26:55 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-98-34.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:26:57 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-98-34.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 11:35:35 <Immow> :P 11:49:51 *** maddy [~maddy@88-137-128-154.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #openttd 12:11:27 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:11:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:12:49 *** Tron [~tron@p54a3fac9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:14:55 *** Tron [~tron@p54a3f5c1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:21:50 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-185-76.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:00 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-185-76.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:35:01 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:49:44 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 12:51:57 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 12:55:00 <elmex_> can i save online games? 12:55:10 <Belugas> try :) 12:55:17 <Belugas> you will see what happens ;) 12:55:34 <elmex_> hmm 12:56:59 <elmex_> oh cool 12:57:02 <elmex_> it works 12:59:27 <elmex_> but i wonder how to select the company ;/ 13:00:18 <glx> cheat menu or local server 13:00:24 <elmex_> ah, k 13:00:26 <elmex_> thanks 13:11:30 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [] 13:12:05 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 13:16:11 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-179-181.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 13:18:07 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:18:07 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 13:19:31 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:19:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 13:20:10 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-185-76.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:10 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b805bb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:21:45 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b82547.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:21:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:22:29 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931e.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22:57 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931e.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:31:29 *** yeti_ [~yeti@p5493da4f.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:31:47 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-179-181.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 13:55:59 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D4A6.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 14:27:56 *** maddy [~maddy@88-137-128-154.adslgp.cegetel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45:27 <elmex_> hm 14:45:40 <elmex_> why is air disallowed on many servers? 14:46:32 <Rubidium> because it's very very easy to make lots and lots of money with them 14:46:40 <Rubidium> it basically makes them a little harder 14:46:56 <peter1138> also because the server owners are evil 14:48:44 <elmex_> hm, so isn't air unbalanced then? 14:49:02 <hylje> yes 14:49:53 <Rubidium> no 14:49:58 <elmex_> no? 14:50:40 <Rubidium> when you remove all negations from your question: is air balanced -> makes me answer that with no 14:51:05 <Rubidium> double negations are so nice ;) 14:52:28 <elmex_> hehe 15:05:48 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl4-208-232.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 15:17:02 *** re06011988 [~r.erwan@161.222.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:11 *** re06011988 [~r.erwan@161.222.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has left #openttd [] 15:22:32 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B78974.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:25:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9759 /trunk/src/thread.cpp: -Add: added threading code for MorphOS (tokai) 15:25:35 *** Biff [~biff@30.80-203-176.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:25:35 <hylje> zomg thread!! 15:25:38 <Biff> hey 15:25:41 <hylje> for saving i take it? 15:26:22 <TrueBrain> everywhere where threads are used 15:26:23 <TrueBrain> :p 15:26:28 <TrueBrain> (TGP landscape generation) 15:26:42 <hylje> tgp is threaded? 15:27:07 <Rubidium> TGP uses threads; I would not call it threaded 15:27:13 <hylje> ah 15:27:26 <hylje> so no arbitrary amount of workers.. 15:27:27 <TrueBrain> in fact, the TGP isn't threaded, but the GUI is.. or kind of... uses threads indeed :p 15:27:55 <Rubidium> basically the threads are used to switch between two application 'stacks' 15:28:16 <TrueBrain> I like that description :) 15:40:11 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:42:13 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489F39A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:51:56 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:26 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 15:58:02 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B78974.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 16:19:59 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B78974.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:22 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B78974.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 16:21:09 <Sacro> hmm, what happened to openttd.64.png ? 16:22:56 <Rubidium> nothing AFAIK 16:23:33 *** th_gergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B78974.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 16:23:54 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B78974.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:25:58 <Sacro> ah, tis in media 16:26:22 <Sacro> i keep redoing the PKGBUILD for ArchLinux 16:28:36 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:30:05 <Rubidium> Sacro: it has been there for 2 years 16:30:34 <Sacro> Rubidium: has it? 16:31:13 <Sacro> http://cvs.archlinux.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/games/openttd/PKGBUILD?rev=HEAD&cvsroot=AUR&only_with_tag=CURRENT&content-type=text/plain is how it is currently built 16:31:36 <Sacro> i quite get amused by the 7 lines of sed... 16:33:02 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931e.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:33:14 <Rubidium> Sacro: it has been there since revision 1601 16:34:41 <Sacro> Rubidium: ahh, well i have just fixed it again, now the icon works, and its called OpenTTD, also the manpage gets installed 16:35:06 <Rubidium> Sacro: it needs to be redone for 0.6 anyway 16:35:30 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9760 /trunk/src/ (12 files): -Codechange: remove the need for saving some vehicle variables. 16:36:01 <Sacro> Rubidium: what does? 16:36:21 <Rubidium> that pkgbuild 16:36:40 <Sacro> oh? 16:36:55 <Sacro> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?do_Details=1&ID=9391&O=0&L=0&C=0&K=openttd&SB=n&SO=a&PP=25&do_MyPackages=0&do_Orphans=0&SeB=nd 16:37:03 <Sacro> at the bottom is the new one i've just done 16:37:38 <Rubidium> still needs to be redone 16:38:11 <Sacro> why? 16:38:34 <glx> paths changed 16:38:35 <Rubidium> r7759 16:38:46 <glx> (makefilerewrite merge) 16:38:59 <Sacro> grr :( 16:39:13 <Sacro> might write an openttd-svn pkgbuikld 16:39:17 <Sacro> *pkgbuild 16:40:48 <Sacro> how do i check whats changed then? 16:41:42 <Sacro> !losg 16:41:44 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 16:41:44 <Sacro> !logs 16:42:47 <Rubidium> svn diff svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.5.1 svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk ? 16:43:40 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 16:44:33 <Sacro> Rubidium: that will be a big diff 16:45:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9761 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Codechange: refactor cargo payment out of LoadUnloadVehicle. 16:48:11 <Wolf01> i want to see a big new feature :( 16:48:51 *** re06011988 [~r.erwan@vol21-2-82-226-46-162.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:01 *** re06011988 [~r.erwan@vol21-2-82-226-46-162.fbx.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 16:59:18 <peter1138> OpenTTD: Belugas * r9762 /trunk (11 files): -Feature: NewIndustries 16:59:19 *** green-devil [~c@0x57355893.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:59:31 <hylje> zomg 17:01:21 <Digitalfox[Home]> peter1138: you're evil... :( My pents almost get wet.. 17:01:42 <Belugas> heheh 17:02:50 <peter1138> hehe 17:03:36 <Belugas> ... laughter changed to whisper... 17:06:42 *** green-devil [~c@0x57355893.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 17:09:47 *** Mucht_ is now known as Mucht 17:15:34 *** maddy__ [~Marc-Andr@AMontpellier-256-1-45-244.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 17:16:37 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl4-208-232.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Time for Sleeping] 17:17:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9762 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 17:17:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Feature: Two new difficulty settings : Very low number of towns and very low number of industries 17:17:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: Based on FS#289, by pitt2 17:17:22 <Belugas> Feature! 17:17:25 <Belugas> as requested 17:17:29 <hylje> what 17:17:31 <Belugas> not a big one though... 17:17:31 <hylje> no 17:17:32 <hylje> :< 17:17:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> yay! :) 17:18:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> many people requested this already :) 17:20:27 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-179-181.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:25:20 <Belugas> they are now served :) 17:28:18 <Wolf01> i want rename buoys! 17:30:50 <peter1138> tough! 17:31:43 * Belugas has a problem with letter H, it seems 17:32:08 <peter1138> you do? 17:32:27 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D4A6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:34:24 <Belugas> you point them ;) 17:37:06 <peter1138> huh? 17:37:49 <peter1138> you confuzzle me 17:39:21 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:43:07 *** Ammller is now known as Ammler 17:47:03 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:00:32 *** Patrick [pitt2@saturn.retrosnub.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:01:05 <Patrick> I just popped in to say whoever was inspired by my early crude attempt and merged "very low" industry/town density: nice work :) 18:01:37 <Patrick> I wanted to see it happen but I couldn't pull it off, should make bigmaps more of a challenge without having to use the magic dozer to thin them down 18:02:07 <Patrick> apparently Belugas is the one I owe a pint :) 18:11:34 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:18:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9763 /trunk/src/ (oldloader.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Codechange/Fix (r9760): don't read the variables that are calculated automatically either. 18:27:13 <hylje> http://zip.4chan.org/an/src/1177707859755.jpg 18:27:39 <Wolf01> lol 18:29:50 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:05:46 <Belugas> Patrick, it was an easy one :) You've done almost everything... 19:05:55 <Patrick> it was a bit buggy i thought 19:05:57 <Patrick> anyway ,brb 19:30:28 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip79.cab14.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 19:40:27 *** Szandor_ [~user@host-84-9-129-17.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 19:44:13 <Patrick> doing gsoc on something else this summer so I'll probably hhack ottd as well 19:44:17 <Patrick> for a laugh 19:45:28 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 19:46:15 *** Szandor [~user@host-84-9-129-17.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:51:10 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:52:21 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-179-181.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:20 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip79.cab14.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:56:05 <ln-> mikk36: situation hot? 19:56:11 <mikk36> ? 19:57:06 <mikk36> what, ln- ? 19:57:24 <ln-> the anger from russia 19:58:07 <mikk36> well... 19:58:15 <mikk36> not really i think 19:58:26 <mikk36> there's not really a chance for a war 19:58:46 <mikk36> that would be a dumb move from russians 19:59:06 <mikk36> although, it would test NATO's reaction for the first time 19:59:40 <ln-> NATO wouldn't move a finger. 19:59:55 <mikk36> then the whole alliance would be pointless 20:00:18 <ln-> not entirely, i suppose you are paying them a lot of money. 20:00:31 <mikk36> well, we are full member 20:01:18 <Wolf01> 'night 20:01:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host65-234-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:01:54 <mikk36> other than nato/war topic, we also have an... asshole mayor 20:02:51 <mikk36> who is did nothing to prevent those riots in the city 20:02:55 <mikk36> who did* 20:03:14 <mikk36> but rather was supporting them 20:03:28 <mikk36> and was only blaiming our prime minister 20:03:38 <mikk36> in... everything... 20:05:20 *** th_gergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B78974.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:04 *** acerbus [~kreedovel@217-159-182-246-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 20:11:14 <mikk36> last days it has been rather calm in the contrary :) 20:11:36 <mikk36> and as the head of police stated, the crime has been lower than usually :P 20:12:12 <Immow> pff 20:12:22 <Immow> I think I finished my 4 4 4 4 junction 20:12:28 <Immow> 58 by 58 tiles 20:12:47 <Immow> http://immow.nl/4_4_4_4_junction.png 20:13:31 <mikk36> gj, take a beer to congratulate yourself :) 20:13:39 <Immow> ^_^ 20:13:43 <mikk36> i would take one for you too, but i can't 20:14:07 <mikk36> state prohibited sales of alcoholic beverages until 3rd may 20:14:17 <mikk36> because of russian riots 20:14:22 <Immow> ah 20:14:28 <mikk36> :P 20:14:28 <Immow> thats a shame 20:14:46 <mikk36> personally i hate those russians, who hate the state and still live here 20:15:06 <Immow> people that dont help building something are not realy nice yes 20:15:06 <mikk36> those who learn estonian and respect the state... those i respect back 20:15:09 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:15:48 <Immow> that what makes a country is a group of people with same goal of helping one another out 20:15:51 <hylje> Immow: i was expecting a 4x4 mainline junction 20:16:02 <Immow> well 20:16:09 <Immow> I found one on wiki page 20:16:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> that junction has joins before splits... 20:16:23 <Immow> but it has many corners and area's that are not good 20:16:50 <mikk36> uhm, Immow 20:17:03 <mikk36> ahh, nothing 20:17:13 <Immow> :0 20:17:23 <mikk36> mislooked 20:17:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> i once designed a (3+3)x(3+3) junction 20:18:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> it was pretty spaghetti 20:18:36 <Immow> got a picture of it? 20:18:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't know where... 20:20:08 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:08 *** Sacro_ [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:21:35 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B78974.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:22:24 *** Sacro_ [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:26 *** Sacro__ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:22:36 *** mojs [mojs@hhcrew.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:54 *** mojs [mojs@hhcrew.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:00 *** Sacro__ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 20:24:07 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:34:14 *** myrka [~myrka@noorus.aklubi.ee] has joined #openttd 20:37:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Koeln%20an%20der%20Donau%20Transport,%2030.%20Jul%202001.png 20:37:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's probably not very good 20:38:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> and it looks better zoomed in, but it doesn't fit into the screen... 20:39:00 <yeti_> but it's definitely huge :D 20:39:11 <myrka> could you take giant scrshot with more zoom 20:39:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, the map is too large 20:39:29 <myrka> ok 20:39:31 <myrka> but yes 20:39:36 <myrka> its huge (: 20:39:49 <yeti_> giant screenshot on 2048*2048 with full zoom will probably be over 250MB ;) 20:39:57 <yeti_> and will take half an hour to take 20:40:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> by my count, it is 64x66 tiles (from first split to last join) 20:40:29 <Rubidium> yeti_: actually more like 800 MB 20:41:18 <myrka> going to compile ottd again 20:41:33 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:57 * Rubidium doesn't want to know what happens in 32bpp OTTD with giant screenshot at 2048x2048 ;) 20:42:52 <yeti_> by the way, when i activate fast forward, i randomly get 'lockups' of about 10 secs, the game will run, but freeze my PC, i can't make any input in those 10 sec. (regardless which mapsize, but larger maps will make it worse) 20:43:10 <yeti_> i have a p4 2.4 ghz with 1G of ram, running kubuntu linux 20:43:24 <Rubidium> randomly like monthly? 20:43:32 <yeti_> no, it's not the autosave 20:43:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> the better idea would be to make a virtual screen that is larger than the actual screen, and make a screenshot from there 20:43:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i don't know how to do that... 20:44:03 <yeti_> Rubidium: i'm not sure whether it's monthly, but it's definitely not autosave because it's not active 20:44:36 <Rubidium> what version are you running? 20:45:09 <yeti_> had that problem with 0.5.1 as well as with nightly 9734 as well as with latest trunk 20:45:19 <Rubidium> AI? 20:45:58 <yeti_> no AI in that game, in other games AI intelligence set to low 20:46:03 <yeti_> new alpha AI not active 20:46:34 <Rubidium> the 'problem' is that I do not have that problem 20:46:48 <Rubidium> so I can only guess 20:47:18 <yeti_> which linux distro/kernel are you running? 20:47:21 <yeti_> (on what cpu?) 20:47:24 <Rubidium> you're absolutely sure there is no rogue background process 20:48:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> i never tried fast forward, but my (miniin) game with around 150 trains already hits 100% CPU on a similar powered pc 20:48:21 <yeti_> pretty sure, yeah... i'm gonna try to reproduce it while looking at top 20:48:57 <Rubidium> Debian lenny a.k.a. sid running 2.6.21 with a P-M 1.6 @ 600 MHz 20:51:11 <Rubidium> and I'm running the worst possible binaries you can think of... the ones without any inlining/optimizations done 20:52:05 <glx> aka full debug build :) 20:53:23 *** acerbus [~kreedovel@217-159-182-246-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [] 20:55:18 <yeti_> t's not fair! now that i want to reproduce it, it runs smoothly..... well, as long as it continues to do so, i won't complain :) 20:56:14 <yeti_> timidity takes really freaky amounts of cpu though given that it's only responsible for playing ttd music... 25% cpu! 20:56:26 <Rubidium> timidity sucks 20:57:39 <yeti_> is there anything else i can use instead? 20:59:04 <myrka> yakuake has some problems with x 20:59:15 <myrka> cant start ottd from there 21:05:27 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 21:06:01 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:47 <Immow> Eddi|zuHause3 it looks oke but some junctions are not build for speed 21:07:01 <Immow> in your design :) 21:07:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> how much speed? 21:07:18 <ln-> why hadn't i heard about the place called Llívia before? 21:08:00 <Immow> its just trains slow down there 21:08:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> i tried to avoid 2x45° turns 21:09:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> and with wagonspeedlimit, the ultra-high-speed stuff is a non-issue 21:10:33 <Immow> oh wait 21:10:38 <Immow> its optical illusion 21:11:14 <Immow> then all is oke :) 21:11:50 <Immow> but I never had 2 3 lane tracks before 21:12:19 <Immow> looks interesting 21:14:45 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:14:50 *** yeti_ [~yeti@p5493da4f.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: 'Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?'] 21:17:10 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 21:18:19 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D4A6.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:27:08 <Tefad> i pre-render the midi-music 21:27:17 <Tefad> then just have a media player do it in the background. 21:27:38 <Tefad> flac/vorbis uses much less CPU than midi rendering ; ) 21:29:44 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-0928.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: edgepro: Sanity is a full time job.] 21:34:09 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:36:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> midi music already played on 386 pcs with less than 33MHz, there is absolutely no reason why it uses 25% of a 2.4GHz pc 21:37:50 <ln-> back in those days sound cards played midi with hardware. 21:43:36 <Tefad> yeah, back in the day.. i had FM synth... 21:43:48 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip195-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 21:43:52 <MeusH> hey 21:44:11 <Tefad> Eddi|zuHause3: sound cards rarely have drivers that support fully accelerated midi. 21:44:16 <Tefad> (now anyway) 21:48:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> Tefad: that is not the issue, even emulation should not take that much processing power 21:48:41 <Immow> midi sux anyway's 21:48:43 <Immow> :3 21:49:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> midi has to be used correctly, then it does not suck 21:49:07 <Immow> true 21:49:20 <Immow> but then soundcard is very exspensive no? 21:49:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, the expensive thing is not the card, but the sample sounds 21:53:02 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl10-66-174.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 21:53:07 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:54:54 <Tefad> Eddi|zuHause3: so turn off all the timidity options. 21:56:35 <ln-> timidity is somehow strange... 21:56:48 <ln-> it doesn't do any buffering or something 21:58:12 <ln-> on my sempron 2500+, doing almost anything (such as switching to another window) causes timidity's sound to interrupt for a fraction of a second. 22:04:12 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 22:05:06 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B78974.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [] 22:05:29 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b82547.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:34 *** Patrick [pitt2@saturn.retrosnub.co.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:06:30 *** Patrick [pitt2@saturn.retrosnub.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:08:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80203.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:08:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:17:19 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Your eyes grow heavy.. you grow very sleepy..... zzzz...] 22:20:15 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-6-28.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:20:18 <TheJosh> Hello all 22:26:04 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:25 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 22:32:30 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:32:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA39.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:24 <TheJosh> peter1138: I made those changes you suggested to my patch (removed _prices.build_town) 22:38:31 <TheJosh> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=576682 22:39:02 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:24 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> oxygen.oftc.net quits: Ailure, stillunknown, TheMask96, dfox, hylje 22:40:37 *** Netsplit over, joins: stillunknown, Ailure, dfox, TheMask96, hylje 22:42:48 *** Triffid_Hunter [~Splat@funkmunch.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:20 <TheJosh> gee 22:51:34 <MeusH> bye 22:51:38 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip195-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 22:53:37 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:54:07 <TheJosh> hey 22:57:59 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-179-181.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 23:00:31 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:32 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:09:32 <TheJosh> meh im off, its too boring here (everyone must be asleep) 23:09:43 <Touqen> I'm awake 23:10:06 <ln-> who has been to barcelona? 23:10:15 * Touqen has never left the united states :/ 23:10:54 * ln- plans to visit the united states before it closes it borders from all foreigners. 23:11:02 <ln-> it -> its 23:11:34 <TheJosh> what time is it there Touqen? 23:11:42 *** setrodox [setrodox@85-124-46-22.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 23:11:47 <Touqen> It's 19:11 on the east coast. 23:12:20 <TheJosh> 7 at night? 23:12:25 <Touqen> Yes. 23:12:37 <TheJosh> its 8:45 here (central australian time) 23:12:54 <Sacro|Laptop> its 00:13 here 23:13:23 <ln-> that 30 minute difference is so bizarre. 23:13:44 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:14:03 <TheJosh> I know, but meh 23:14:19 <ln-> i'm not blaming you for it. 23:14:25 <TheJosh> South Australia must think there Microsoft, being different just because they can 23:15:07 <Touqen> I'm sure that they have a legitimate reason for it. 23:15:34 <Touqen> I think it's because they don't want to split up territorties in the middle with regular 1 hour timezones 23:16:11 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:16:26 <TheJosh> probably. our states are fairly tight-knit, there are pleanty of people who would live in one state but work in another 23:17:19 <TheJosh> although there is a SA/VIC rivallry (although its only when it comes to Footy) 23:17:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:19:04 <TheJosh> we even have a town that is physically in VIC, but is so far from anything in VIC that they use SA time, SA road rules etc etc. (they are basically SA) 23:21:58 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-207-195.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:29:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> i think there is a village in austria, and it is in a valley, and the only road connection out of the village leads through the border to germany 23:30:41 <TheJosh> Thats cool 23:31:01 <ln-> 00:07 < ln-> why hadn't i heard about the place called Llívia before? 23:31:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> wtf is this place? 23:31:39 <ln-> Llívia is a Spanish village/town which is surrounded by France. 23:31:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> the double l thing sounds very celtic 23:31:54 <ln-> something like 2 km separates it from the rest of the Spain. 23:32:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, i heard of this place, just did not know the name 23:33:10 <TheJosh> crazy 23:33:27 <ln-> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Localitzaci%C3%B3_de_Ll%C3%ADvia.png 23:33:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> there was some bizarre story about it, but i forgot it 23:33:30 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 23:34:23 <ln-> the picture doesn't say what the big gray thing is, but it's certainly not the whole spain, in case someone wondered. 23:35:24 *** myrka [~myrka@noorus.aklubi.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:47 <mikk36> lol... 23:39:07 <mikk36> ln-, u were commenting a bit about our "happenings" here in estonia :P 23:39:08 <mikk36> http://gardistan.blogspot.com/ 23:39:21 <mikk36> nice text in there :P 23:40:39 <mikk36> The UN responded by blowing soap bubbles, as always. "Loooook! Preeeettyyyy buuubbles! Looove, peeace and conciliaaation!" 23:40:40 <mikk36> xD 23:40:50 <ln-> it is not completely from neutral point of view :) 23:42:24 <mikk36> it's not 23:42:30 <mikk36> but it's great text :) 23:42:43 <mikk36> though, i like his pov 23:42:55 <mikk36> and i have to agree with him 23:43:12 <mikk36> this is what i as an estonian feel 23:45:25 <TheJosh> ln-: Have you seen my latest patch? 23:46:26 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:47:17 <TheJosh> what about you mikk36 23:47:21 <mikk36> that gardistan is some finnish artist 23:47:26 <mikk36> what about me ? 23:47:28 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:49:01 <TheJosh> mikk36: have you seen my latest patch> 23:49:16 <mikk36> oh, i've not been into ottd lately 23:49:44 *** Immow [~MIYU@c3eea5fb3.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 23:50:32 <TheJosh> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31558 23:50:50 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:52:01 <mikk36> nice idea :) 23:52:22 <mikk36> where is the button for it ? 23:52:23 *** HMage` [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 23:52:24 <mikk36> to create it 23:52:30 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:52:42 <TheJosh> its in the menu for 'town directory' 23:52:48 <mikk36> ok :) 23:53:13 <TheJosh> i updated it this morning with more bugfixes 23:53:25 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180064070.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:41 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 23:56:39 <TheJosh> mikk36: do you know how to svn, patch, compile, etc? 23:57:06 <mikk36> i know the basics but i've not patched/compiled openttd myself successfully 23:57:14 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 23:57:16 <mikk36> though i have done some stuff with svn 23:57:21 <mikk36> with another problem 23:57:23 <mikk36> program* 23:57:30 <mikk36> to fetch scripts 23:58:44 <TheJosh> what OS are you running? 23:59:32 <TheJosh> windows or *nix? 23:59:32 <mikk36> winxp