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00:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's kind of an in-joke :) 00:06:50 <Sacro> PBIMTTD? 00:08:00 <Belugas_Gone> Eddi|zuHause3 is right ;) 00:08:11 <Belugas_Gone> and Sacro is strange ^_^ 00:08:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, i am in :) 00:08:25 <Belugas_Gone> lol 00:10:21 <Belugas_Gone> btw, it's fun when the forums are quiet, i cna concentrate on stuff to do :D 00:11:50 <HMage> heheh 00:15:11 <elmex> i wonder whether this junction would be any good http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_bridgejunction6.png 00:16:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> the inner circle could be a little larger 00:16:22 <elmex> yes 00:16:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> and again joins before splits 00:16:40 <elmex> and then trains that want to go straight wouldn't block them 00:17:11 <elmex> ah, no 00:17:11 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> there are a few unnecessary connections 00:18:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> you have two ways to turn right 00:18:22 <elmex> thats right 00:18:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> and some lines cannot turn left 00:21:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> Patrick: btw. a bridge length of 4 tiles means a signal every 5 tiles, not 6 00:21:58 <elmex> maybe this works http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_bridgejunction7.png 00:22:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> this will be blocking horribly :p 00:23:11 <elmex> yes 00:25:03 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:25:07 <elmex> damn 00:27:36 <elmex> hm 00:27:43 <elmex> i don't understand the 'joins before splits' thing you mean 00:37:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> it basically means you have two unrelated paths that cross each other 00:38:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> which is an avoidable bottleneck 00:51:07 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-48.47.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? Yeaaa..] 00:52:37 <elmex> ok, next try: 00:52:40 <elmex> http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_bridgejunction8.png 00:52:45 <elmex> this one should be a bit better 00:53:41 *** xyz [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1096603617.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 00:55:58 <elmex> but thats already doable with tunnels 01:00:05 <elmex> ah, no, not in that space 01:05:04 <elmex> unfortunately it slows down the main lines for trains that go straight 01:05:30 <elmex> the cloverleaf doesn't do that for at least one line when no train wants to change lines 01:05:51 <elmex> but maybe my junction plays better when it gets crowded 01:22:12 <elmex> well, gn8 01:24:46 <elmex> well, with http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_bridgejunction8.png one could still priorize one line by not building those yellow bridges 01:25:13 <elmex> and instead use the blue bridges for the direct path 01:26:47 <elmex> whatevr, gn8 01:26:50 *** elmex [~elmex@85.180.65.108] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:31:17 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54b75118.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:42 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75941.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:00:52 *** Tron_ [~tron@84.163.204.65] has joined #openttd 02:06:47 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 02:07:10 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3E7E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:08:19 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57a0e37f.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:12:04 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57a0ee37.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:30:54 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:43:52 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:53:06 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip89.cab87.tln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 02:53:29 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip89.cab87.tln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 03:15:21 *** xyz [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1096603617.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [] 03:34:07 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 03:35:51 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:45:29 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 03:58:10 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 03:59:56 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:17:37 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB7B40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:18:11 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 04:25:19 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB7B40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 04:38:36 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pd9eb7b40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:41:50 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pd9eb7b40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:42:12 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 05:33:57 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 06:05:09 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-136-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:10:38 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-135-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:10:48 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 06:27:41 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28:02 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 06:29:15 *** Taikaponi [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:35:36 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:58:11 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065156.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 06:58:23 <elmex> re 06:58:38 <elmex> Eddi|zuHause2: did you see my last try at the bridge? 06:58:46 <elmex> err.. junction 07:04:53 <elmex> and could someone tell me why the layout in the wiki is completly broken? 07:05:30 <elmex> http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_brokenlayoutwiki.png 07:06:29 *** maddy [~maddy@88-137-128-154.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #openttd 07:08:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9775 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: Remove arbitrary limit on length of NewGRF strings. 07:10:49 <peter1138> it's not broken, it's... advanced 07:12:15 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-180-211.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 07:13:11 <elmex> lol?? 07:16:13 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D040.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:22:17 <elmex> somehow building bridges on diagonals doesn't look very realistic ;-/ 07:22:18 <elmex> http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_bridgejunction8.png 07:25:10 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:26:02 <elmex> i don't like that junction, it makes trains that go right fast and trains that go straight slow 07:37:32 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 07:39:18 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:40:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host230-208-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:41:04 <Wolf01> hello 07:41:22 <Patrick> well, tune your junctions for which way is the most importan 07:41:55 <Patrick> and it's a junction, so the main line will get periodically interrupted anyway 08:00:18 *** Ashley [~chatzilla@125-238-34-173.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #openttd 08:00:49 <peter1138> pompiedom 08:01:13 <Rubidium> lalala 08:01:58 <peter1138> i was looking back through pre-r1000 newgrf stuff 08:02:01 <peter1138> it's... funny 08:02:30 <peter1138> blatantly trying to get a couple of sets working rather than following the spec... 08:03:53 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:07:54 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 08:09:41 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:14:08 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:21:25 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:22:14 <Ashley> I give up, there seems to be something wrong with the grfs in the openttcoop grf pack. I've downloaded and installed them but I'm still getting four grf mismatches, any ideas on how to fix it? 08:22:59 <Ammller> Ashley: for what are you using this pack? 08:23:17 <peter1138> it worked for me 08:23:23 <Ashley> Trying to join the Sandbox server 08:23:24 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489F89E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:23:47 <peter1138> did you restart ottd after installing them? 08:24:03 <Ashley> Several times, the same four keep complaining 08:25:37 <Ammller> I can't believe, that its still possible to join with wrong grf's. 08:27:01 <Ammller> Ashley: when did you download the pack? 08:27:15 <Ashley> About half an hour ago 08:28:02 <Ammller> from here: http://openttdcoop.ammler.ch ? 08:28:24 <Ashley> Yes 08:28:46 <Ashley> Perhaps I downloaded the wrong one? 08:29:09 <Ammller> there is no wrong one, not that I know of 08:29:18 <Ammller> which one did you take 08:30:27 <Ashley> Hmm, we may be on to something here. The first one ending in .exe 08:30:39 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489F3A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:31:31 <Ammller> btw, join #openttdcoop 08:43:56 *** Ashley [~chatzilla@125-238-34-173.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 08:45:11 <elmex> hm 08:47:22 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 08:47:46 <elmex> peter1138: hm, are you a main developer? 08:48:23 <TrueBrain> elmex: you do know there is a very pretty website which defines who is what inside OpenTTD developers blabla 08:48:24 <TrueBrain> ? 08:48:33 <elmex> nope 08:48:45 <TrueBrain> try www.openttd.org 08:48:47 <TrueBrain> you might like it 08:49:05 <elmex> i know that website, but does that contain a mapping of irc-nicks to developers? 08:49:26 <TrueBrain> if you just would have looked around.... 08:50:09 <peter1138> why bother looking when you can ask :) 08:50:31 <elmex> TrueBrain: i'm sorry, i've never looked in the 'Contact' section 08:50:36 <TrueBrain> peter1138: in that case, I have many questions for you..... :p 08:50:39 <TrueBrain> elmex: :) 08:50:42 <peter1138> by some rare coincidence, i do happen to be the same peter1138 as listed in the credits... 08:50:54 <elmex> ah :-) 08:50:56 <peter1138> TrueBrain: the answer is yes, no, and maybe. 08:51:11 <TrueBrain> yes, you do own me money, no, you are not giving it back, and maybe you want to die for it 08:51:12 <TrueBrain> hmm 08:51:13 <TrueBrain> okay :p 08:51:17 <TrueBrain> own = owe 08:51:24 <peter1138> no, i own your money 08:51:31 <peter1138> mwahaha 08:51:34 <TrueBrain> :'( 08:51:38 <TrueBrain> See, there things go wrong 08:56:25 *** setrodox [setrodox@83-65-236-184.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 08:57:39 <elmex> uh, extending the gui isn't a trivial task 08:58:55 <elmex> i would love to implement a 'estimated income' thingie in the train detail 08:58:55 <elmex> s 09:01:53 <elmex> i guess i will do it when i have more concentration ;/ 09:02:30 <TrueBrain> I doubt you can make an estimated income value that is ever reached for real 09:02:50 <elmex> yes, but it is still useful imo 09:03:20 <TrueBrain> and then I mean that I doubt it will be even near the value estimated :) 09:04:21 <elmex> well, i think more of a 'estimated income at next stop' thingie 09:04:40 <TrueBrain> without breakdowns, you can estimate that, sort of 09:04:49 <elmex> yes 09:05:18 <elmex> its woudl just be an estimation of course after all :-) 09:06:13 <Rubidium> elmex: the estimated income thingy is useless, because you really cannot estimate at the moment you leave 09:06:28 <elmex> estimation is always possible 09:06:42 <elmex> even the constant 0 would be an estimation :-) 09:06:52 <TrueBrain> let's talk about an estimate that is no more wrong then 3% of the real value 09:06:58 <Rubidium> that is an useless estimation 09:07:10 <Rubidium> (about elmex' 0) 09:07:15 <elmex> yes 09:08:02 <elmex> but an estimation that becomes better as the vehicle gets nearer to the station would be possible 09:08:32 <elmex> or ok. lets not call it estimated income but 'cargo value' 09:09:26 <elmex> you could calc the current theoretical income with the distance you have from the station of the cargo and the current time 09:09:28 <Rubidium> elmex: the only thing you can do is give the cargo value at the travelled distance/time since departure. No more, no less, because all other estimates are going to be totally crap 09:09:38 <elmex> yes 09:09:41 <elmex> ok 09:10:59 <Rubidium> ofcourse for transfered cargo that's going to be pretty tricky 09:11:36 <elmex> why? 09:12:38 <Rubidium> because you need to calculate multiple travelled distance/times and apply some math to get the correct cargo value 09:13:19 <elmex> hmm 09:13:28 <elmex> damn, i've too few time ;-/ 09:15:51 <elmex> i just would love to have more help with finding out how much of the income of a train is decimated by the time 09:16:41 <TrueBrain> I can understand that you do, it is just a bit tricky in current model :) 09:17:42 <elmex> :) 09:19:08 <elmex> hm, the fixed pixel guil layout sometimes breaks with translation in german 09:19:16 <elmex> s/guil/gui/ 09:20:44 <elmex> lol, i've just found this on a server: http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_headquarter_train.png 09:22:26 *** eJoJ [~Aim@89.10.21.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:25:16 <elmex> hm it's really painful when you build a network all day and then you have to leave the server 09:25:26 <elmex> at least it's possible to do a savegame 09:31:32 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:44:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F5CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:45:08 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:45:48 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 09:47:42 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:05:27 *** waroffice [~waroffice@81.130.204.175] has joined #openttd 10:05:31 <waroffice> lo 10:05:53 <waroffice> im stuck with developing 10:06:15 *** waroffice [~waroffice@81.130.204.175] has quit [] 10:08:00 <Patrick> give us time 10:11:51 <elmex> :) 10:13:39 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 10:25:41 <elmex> this heightmap thingie is really scary: http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_heightmap.png :-) 10:26:21 <Rubidium> ;) 10:27:02 <Rubidium> I'd bulldoze your head, so you get rid of the water ;) 10:30:45 <Patrick> hahaha, that's hilarious 10:34:33 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-180-211.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:36:48 <elmex> hm 10:37:00 <elmex> i would love a heightmap of germany, so one could do a scenario for it ;/ 10:44:24 <Patrick> yes, freight trains full of passengers in germany 10:44:28 <Patrick> because that always ends well 10:45:42 <peter1138> who what? 10:46:28 <Patrick> design a custom industry to turn passengers into luggage and gold teeth 10:50:19 <elmex> ? 10:50:24 <elmex> lol 10:52:16 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB7B40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:56:38 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-180-211.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:06:53 <Osai^zZz> hi all 11:07:24 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 11:10:58 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:26:30 <elmex> i geuss this would be another possibility with a 4 way junction: http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_bridgejunction10.png 11:26:58 <elmex> onfortunately one line is slowed down by a long bridge where the other is slowed down by bridge+tunnel 11:27:29 *** RobertGrammig [~Unke@134.2.187.33] has joined #openttd 11:27:58 <Progman> this junction looks cool anyway ;) 11:28:41 <elmex> i havent tested it yet 11:28:47 <elmex> but it doesn't consume much space 11:28:58 <elmex> and isn't that hard to build i guess 11:29:22 <elmex> compare it to: http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_bridgejunction8.png 11:29:39 <elmex> that one is more symmetric, which means: each line has the same slowdown 11:30:04 <elmex> the junction8 als has no 90degree turns 11:30:35 <elmex> (the junction10 could be extended to prevent 90 degree turns of course) 11:32:58 *** antichaos [~IceChat7@host86-132-121-254.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:34:32 <neli> elmex: but it has no signalling 11:35:07 <elmex> i guess the signalling can be added in an actual application :) 11:35:38 <neli> but there are splits+bridges 11:35:46 <neli> that do not allow signal after split 11:36:31 <elmex> you mean at the end of the yellow ones? 11:37:10 <elmex> ah 11:41:38 <elmex> neli: http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_bridgejunction8_2.png - i guesss this one should do 11:42:38 <Patrick> wherever possible, you should land the longer bridges, put signals there, then do another bridge 11:42:45 <Patrick> the junction gets bigger but throughput goes up 11:42:55 <elmex> yes, thats right 11:43:09 <neli> elmex: ah I see the bridges were too long anyway 11:43:14 <elmex> neli: yea 11:43:39 <elmex> Patrick: in the end it all depends on the space you have 11:43:59 <neli> elmex: wait, you're missing a signal on the topright gray bridge 11:44:07 <elmex> neli: oh, damn, i knew it :) 11:44:07 <elmex> well 11:45:03 <neli> it has space for it though 11:45:39 <Patrick> http://patrickthomson.ath.cx/junction.png 11:45:45 <elmex> a cloverleaf would be smaller 11:45:46 <Patrick> that's what I came up with 11:45:52 <Patrick> the template, so it's got no signals 11:46:01 <elmex> yep 11:46:04 <Patrick> join up the middle with bridges whichever way you want 11:46:19 <elmex> it even fits into the same space 11:46:35 <Patrick> grow it bigger if you want 10-car trains to turn fast with realistic acceleration 11:46:50 <Patrick> remember, 7 angled bits for 8-car, 9 angled bits for 10-car 11:47:00 <Patrick> the distance tool gets it right 11:47:09 <elmex> distnace tool? 11:47:23 <Patrick> some option shows you the distance on every drag-drop rail laying 11:47:32 <elmex> ah 11:48:12 <Patrick> see also http://patrickthomson.ath.cx/tjunction.png 11:48:16 <Patrick> for a three-way 11:48:29 <Patrick> I also have designs where some of the branches are at angles 11:48:37 <elmex> ah, yes 11:49:02 <elmex> damn, why didn't i come up with http://patrickthomson.ath.cx/junction.png ;-/ 11:49:05 <elmex> it's way more simple 11:49:30 <peter1138> but... the middle! 11:49:42 <Patrick> like I said, hook it up how you want 11:49:44 <elmex> the middle needs bridges :) 11:49:46 <Patrick> that was one I just played with 11:49:53 <Patrick> bridge it whichever way has less traffic 11:49:59 <Patrick> although technically that doesn't matter 11:50:20 <Patrick> the best junction, ideally, is one where you can specify one route that's high-capacity and that one doesn't get its signal spacing interrupted 11:50:22 <peter1138> or use cheating tunnels, heh 11:50:29 <Patrick> and in this respect I've failed 11:50:46 <elmex> well, i've failed too :) 11:50:59 <neli> Patrick: how to go from bottom to right ? 11:51:26 <Patrick> which junction? 11:51:52 <Patrick> it should work 11:52:00 <Patrick> there are hardly any signals, sorry 11:52:12 <Patrick> I do left-hand drive but that won't make a difference 11:53:12 <peter1138> hmm, i still need to fix that up/down bug 11:53:18 <Patrick> --> le shop 11:56:49 <RobertGrammig> the calculation of passenger or good value is done based on the closest distance of one station complex to the other one, right? 11:57:15 <elmex> it's the manhattan distance between the stations, yes 11:57:27 <Patrick> but where is the station position taken from 11:57:35 <elmex> Patrick: well, http://patrickthomson.ath.cx/junction.png could be build with tunnels too 11:57:36 <Patrick> I always thought it was the position of the station's sign 11:57:43 <Patrick> elmex: ugly though 11:57:53 <Patrick> and take up too much space unlessyou use build on slope 11:57:59 <Patrick> and slop building is ugly so I turn it off 11:58:03 <antichaos> Patrick I think it is from the tile you clicked on when you placed the station 11:58:14 <Patrick> yes. 11:58:17 <elmex> Patrick: oh, ok, it's on per default, so i take it as granted :) 11:58:23 <Patrick> and then you can "ladder" the station around 11:58:49 <RobertGrammig> manhattan distance? 11:59:01 <Patrick> X + y 11:59:24 <Patrick> not pythagorean distance, (x**2 + y**2) ** 0.5 11:59:35 <Patrick> means that diagonal runs are root2 more profitable 11:59:46 <RobertGrammig> ok I see that is fai 11:59:48 <elmex> :) 11:59:48 <RobertGrammig> fair 11:59:58 <Patrick> it's not, it's exploitable :/ 11:59:59 <Patrick> anyway 12:00:45 <RobertGrammig> Its a bit stupid that you dont take the nearest station tiles though 12:01:23 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:01:28 <RobertGrammig> that way you can really easily shorten the actual track the train has to run 12:01:42 <antichaos> That would take alot of extra time to calculate 12:05:33 <RobertGrammig> but wouldnt it be possible to make the payoff propotional to the distance between the place where the train did unload the goods and the station tile that is used to calculate the distance? 12:06:03 <RobertGrammig> and you should be able to set the relevant tile as well, of course 12:07:29 <RobertGrammig> for example payoff will be decreased by 5% for each tile that the arrival tile of the train is away from the central tile of the station complex 12:07:37 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7B40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 12:09:00 <elmex> ?? 12:10:11 *** XeryusTC is now known as publicserver 12:12:45 *** publicserver is now known as XeryusTC 12:13:42 <RobertGrammig> I can found, for example, a station A and a station B with both being 50 X tiles and 10 Y tiles apart. Now I build additional station blocks to reduce the actual track distance the train has to cover is 48 X tiles and 0 Y tiles, but I still get the 50+10= 60 tile difference payout, right? 12:17:55 <elmex> hm, will the copy/paste patch ever get into openttd? 12:30:15 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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16:14:16 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Aqualung, a great music player for gnu/linux: http://aqualung.sourceforge.net/ **SPAM WARNING**] 16:15:51 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 16:16:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:27:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r9779 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 16:27:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Feature: Add the possiblity to choose different road patterns for towns to use. 16:27:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Possible patterns are : 16:27:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: No Road (not available in scenario editor) 16:27:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Original (for the nostalgics) 16:27:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Better Roads (same as original, but based on distance of 2 tiles instead of one) 16:27:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: 2x2 grids 16:29:00 <hylje> what about 2-tile-wide town roads? 16:29:29 <Eddi|zuHause> go code them? :) 16:29:40 <hylje> wut no 16:29:45 <hylje> maybe someday 16:30:03 <peter1138> woo :D 16:30:15 <hylje> 2-wide roads could make big towns seem really big 16:30:29 <peter1138> 2-wide roads are a job for the scenario editor, and SAC :D 16:30:44 <hylje> sac=? 16:30:50 <peter1138> SAC! 16:30:54 <hylje> omg sac 16:34:31 <hylje> hm 16:34:42 <hylje> does SDL get massive boost from architecture optimization? 16:34:57 <hylje> on my gentoo install ottd was snappy and all, on ubuntu it seems just sluggish 16:37:39 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 16:38:56 <Belugas> mmmh 16:39:00 <Belugas> following : 16:39:00 <Belugas> 3x3 grids 16:39:00 <Belugas> Patch by skiddl13 16:39:30 <hylje> :D 16:39:55 *** JanTenner [~chris@pd9e0a3d0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:41:14 <antichaos> Belugas I've got the shared delivery patch ready. 16:41:49 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 16:42:00 <Belugas> nice :) 16:42:06 <Belugas> send it, please 16:45:58 <antichaos> just putting some details in an email 16:50:01 <hylje> r we getting patches to trunk? 16:52:42 <Eddi|zuHause> no, patches never ever go to trunk 16:53:37 <hylje> thats why i'm most astonished 16:54:51 <Belugas> we've been paid 16:55:30 <Belugas> antichaos: got it, thanks 16:56:23 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 17:01:58 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:02:10 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:02:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 17:02:15 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:03:17 <Belugas> antichaos, function comment starts with /** and should end with <NEWLINE><SPACE>*/ 17:03:27 <Belugas> just starting reading... 17:04:09 <Belugas> on the second line of a if (), add another indent 17:04:28 <Belugas> very nice and descriptive comments :) 17:09:04 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host230-208-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:11:18 *** RobertGrammig [~Unke@134.2.187.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:11:38 <Belugas> antichaos: looks pretty nice 17:11:40 <antichaos> where's the bad if? 17:11:58 <Belugas> on ShareGoodsToIndustry 17:12:39 <Belugas> so, ind->accepts_cargo[1] = +1 tab 17:12:44 <Belugas> same for 2 17:13:02 <Belugas> and "total_tiles += (*iter)..." + -1 tab 17:13:06 *** Wolf01|AWAY [~wolf01@host230-208-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:12 <Belugas> and "total_tiles += (*iter)..." = -1 tab 17:13:14 <Belugas> sorry 17:13:25 <Belugas> same for iter++ 17:13:28 <antichaos> ah ok 17:13:45 <Belugas> code style, really... 17:13:58 <Belugas> i need to check it at home tonigh, for the rest 17:15:55 <Belugas> are you sure "te->params_2 = GetDParam(4);" is a bug, by the way? 17:16:00 <Belugas> waht's the implications? 17:16:07 <Belugas> if ever it gets called? 17:16:29 <antichaos> GetDparam(4) could be junk 17:16:38 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:17:38 <antichaos> since they aren't cleared after use. 17:18:08 <antichaos> obviously you could work around it by calling SetDParam(4) for your second argument 17:18:45 <Belugas> ok 17:19:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8211C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:19:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:19:22 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 17:21:26 <Belugas> about the DeliverGoodsToIndustry, since it is standard behaviour, i think it should still be available, 17:21:33 <Belugas> but this is open to discussion 17:22:36 <antichaos> I'll put in a setting to switch between them, then we can compare performance and behaviour. 17:23:49 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:25:15 <Belugas> indeed 17:25:32 <Belugas> but for now, let's just resume work@work 17:25:35 <Belugas> and thanks again 17:30:23 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:44 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:44:48 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:45:00 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489F89E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:45:33 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:45:38 <peter1138> hmm, yes 17:47:51 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:48:07 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:48:16 *** Ammller is now known as Ammler 17:49:43 *** RobertGrammig [~Unke@134.2.187.8] has joined #openttd 17:55:28 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8211C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:15 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:57:54 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8270A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:57:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:03:56 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host230-208-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Wolf01|AWAY))] 18:03:57 *** Wolf01|AWAY [~wolf01@host225-234-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:09:26 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-241-154.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:11:12 *** Thomas[NL]_ [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:11:12 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:36 *** Thomas[NL]_ [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:24:54 *** antichaos [~IceChat7@host86-132-121-254.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: REALITY.SYS Corrupted: Re-boot universe? 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Then when I start a dedicated server with it using the -g flag an "unnamed" company is created. Is this a feature or a bug? 21:11:29 <glx> -D -g or -g -D ? 21:11:36 <Zuu> -D -g 21:12:03 <Zuu> So it should be in reverse order? 21:12:47 <Zuu> Tried -g -D, same problem. 21:13:06 <TrueBrain> and '-g' without a map behind it? 21:13:11 <TrueBrain> (so just: ./openttd -D -g) 21:13:31 <Zuu> I have a map behind -g, but I'll try w/o. 21:13:52 <TrueBrain> why I ask: the bug can be in two places, this rules out one :) 21:14:34 <Zuu> -g -D or -D -g without a map gives no unnamed company. 21:15:10 <TrueBrain> so the problem is when loading the scenario :) Most likely it isn't dedicated-server aware :) 21:15:15 <TrueBrain> make a bug report :) 21:15:19 <Zuu> Shall I upload my openttd.cfg + scenario? 21:15:44 <Zuu> Okay, bugreport will be :) 21:18:07 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Your eyes grow heavy.. you grow very sleepy..... zzzz...] 21:18:47 <Zuu> hmm, happens on default openttd.cfg.. but no worry, there will be a bugreport soon :) 21:26:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9782 /branches/noai/ (6 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: add information functions to AIVehicle, like the valuators of AIVehicleList 21:29:33 <Zuu> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/765 21:29:44 <TrueBrain> Zuu: I already noticed ;) 21:29:49 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Hehe :) 21:29:52 <TrueBrain> [23:29] <_42_> Flyspray: [FS#765] New Bug Report (sev: Low, prio: Normal): 'Unnamed company when starting dedicated server...', by Leif Linse - http://bugs.openttd.org/task/765 21:29:53 <TrueBrain> :) 21:30:43 <Zuu> Is that from the top secret dev-channel? :p 21:31:05 <TrueBrain> haha, top secret it is not, but it is on a side-channel yes, as we don't want to spam that information in here (yet) 21:32:30 <Zuu> Well, the channel name is not sateted anywere I've been looking at least. But probably it is just to guess some names :) 21:33:27 <glx> Zuu: you can use your irc client to find it ;) 21:33:33 <TrueBrain> you won't 'guess' it, but there is also no need to be there :p Most people who have been there, run away VERY fast :) 21:33:56 <TrueBrain> all except XeryusTC, but oh well "onkruid vergaat niet" :p :p :p 21:33:58 * TrueBrain pets XeryusTC 21:34:08 <XeryusTC> huh? 21:34:13 <TrueBrain> hahahahaha :) 21:34:15 * XeryusTC slaps TrueBrain with -18°C 21:34:22 <TrueBrain> I went to the beach today :) 21:34:25 <TrueBrain> it was cold, but fun :) 21:34:49 <XeryusTC> i got "ingewerkt" in the freezer today :P 21:34:54 <XeryusTC> and i was sweating like a pig 21:34:56 <TrueBrain> lol :) 21:35:45 <XeryusTC> and that was with my jacket open 21:37:03 * Zuu was on a lecture about traffic modeling yesterday 21:37:15 <XeryusTC> i need to do some work on my AI once again 21:37:25 <XeryusTC> but then, i also need to do homework :P 21:37:56 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:59 <Zuu> I reread the list of API-classes and it have grown a bit since last. :) 21:38:10 <XeryusTC> yeah 21:38:10 <TrueBrain> slowly, it is :) 21:38:16 <XeryusTC> well, it's time to use the TileList :P 21:38:25 <XeryusTC> so i can reincarnate my old AI somewhat 21:38:35 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=noai/.git;a=blob;f=bin/ai/tb/main.nut;h=84b1fcab3a5dfa7d1fdaf23c386dda725f2bd1e8;hb=tb 21:38:37 <TrueBrain> my attempt so far :) 21:38:40 <XeryusTC> which was even more stupid than the default TT ai i must say 21:38:45 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Have you concidered to add some way to populate a TileList with tiles from a town? 21:39:01 <TrueBrain> Zuu: what exactly do you mean? 21:39:20 <XeryusTC> it isnt possible to populate a TL? 21:39:52 <Zuu> As it is now you can only get the town centre and guess the town radius to calculate a rectangle that you then add. 21:40:02 <Zuu> right? 21:40:13 *** antichaos [~IceChat7@host86-132-121-254.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: IceChat - Chillin with the Best of em] 21:40:17 <TrueBrain> town radius is always guessing 21:40:24 <XeryusTC> TrueBrain: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31789 21:40:25 <TrueBrain> you want to get all the tiles the town own or something? 21:40:48 <Zuu> With buildings or town road on. 21:40:57 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=noai/.git;a=blob;f=bin/ai/tb/main.nut;hb=tb <- ha, even better :) 21:41:10 <TrueBrain> Zuu: town radius isn't predefined, so that is almost impossible 21:41:15 <TrueBrain> scanning the whole map is too expensive 21:41:33 <Zuu> Well, I will probably not use it in close future, so don't implement it because I said it now. :) 21:42:02 <TrueBrain> Zuu: such functions should be called with great care, so I rather not add them at all :p 21:42:14 <Zuu> :) 21:42:31 <TrueBrain> I just made a 14x14 rectangle around city-core 21:42:35 <Zuu> Just though that it is something that many AIs would like to do :) 21:42:37 <TrueBrain> but I agree that it is a bit of gambling :) 21:43:07 <TrueBrain> my AI makes 2k profit per bus, local city routes only 21:43:08 <TrueBrain> not bad :) 21:43:22 <Zuu> :) 21:43:35 <XeryusTC> nice :) 21:43:42 <TrueBrain> try to beat it ;) 21:43:48 <XeryusTC> my AI sets its name from a predefined list :P 21:44:01 <XeryusTC> oh, and one of the persons on that list died :'( 21:44:09 <TrueBrain> auch 21:44:15 <XeryusTC> actually, the person the AI is called after :P 21:44:29 <XeryusTC> TrueBrain: it is just an anime, although it rocks all other animes :P 21:45:19 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 21:46:19 <Zuu> XeryusTC: Well, stop watching the anime and build her up again :p :) 21:46:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9783 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [NoAI] -Fix: make naming more consistent between Valuators: don't add Get before them. 21:47:14 <XeryusTC> Zuu: i'll probably get special lenses in her honor :P 21:47:25 <XeryusTC> blood red :9 21:48:10 <XeryusTC> i should first get colorless lenses though :P 21:48:58 <Zuu> hehe, got glases now? 21:49:11 <XeryusTC> yes 21:49:14 <XeryusTC> until monday :P 21:49:19 <Zuu> hehe 21:54:39 <Zuu> I'm a lucky one, I got nither glases nor lenses. :) 21:54:48 <TrueBrain> me neither :) 21:54:58 <Zuu> But I got two DSPs :) 21:57:26 <TrueBrain> My AI is dying :) 21:58:05 <Zuu> More features in a DSP than in siple lenses :) 21:58:05 <TrueBrain> I really do need station managing 21:58:32 <Zuu> TrueBrain: as in amout of buses? 21:58:46 <TrueBrain> Zuu: no, -3k profit per year in total 21:58:49 <TrueBrain> mostly because of full loan 21:59:44 <Zuu> You could copy my ugly bank acount manager or write your own :) 21:59:52 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B60E78.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:04 <Zuu> But that only helps as in not loaning to much in the begining. :) 22:01:41 <Zuu> It won't stop you from using up all your money or take a maximum loan. 22:02:13 <XeryusTC> Zuu: what's a DSP? 22:02:26 <Zuu> XeryusTC: Digital Sound Processor 22:02:32 <XeryusTC> oh 22:02:44 <XeryusTC> i've got 2 of those too :P 22:02:44 <Zuu> So, if you have not guessed yet, hearing aids :) 22:02:55 <XeryusTC> in my pc though :P 22:03:05 <XeryusTC> :o 22:06:19 <setrodox> Zuu, Signal, not Sound 22:06:31 <setrodox> atleast in the common definition of dsp 22:06:40 <Zuu> setrodox: Okay :) 22:06:49 <setrodox> sorry, didn't want to sound nit picky xD 22:06:59 <Zuu> setrodox: No problem.. 22:07:03 <setrodox> :) 22:07:58 <Zuu> I read a course about signal and systems now, so if I open the english text book I might find the definition of "DSP" in it. 22:08:07 <Zuu> :) 22:08:40 <setrodox> oh :) 22:09:01 <TrueBrain> property maintaince sucks! 22:09:48 *** yeti_ [~yeti@p5493D8DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:10:22 <TrueBrain> bah, bankrupt 22:10:33 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Yea, Add a function to bring up the cheat window and get some extra cash ;) :p 22:10:38 <TrueBrain> repaying your loan all the time might not be the smartest :) 22:11:08 <XeryusTC> TrueBrain: cant you clone Igor's AI, or was that one too stupid for you? 22:11:23 <XeryusTC> and could you please get yourself ops, you're somewhat at the end of my tablist 22:11:59 <TrueBrain> XeryusTC: I dunno about igor's, I do know my own GPMI AI was pretty good. Just functions changed, ideas changed, so I am happily starting over :) 22:12:41 <XeryusTC> TrueBrain: wasnt the FastAI your AI? :P 22:12:54 <TrueBrain> also 22:12:59 <XeryusTC> seeing as it has the same level of intelligence as you :P 22:13:04 <TrueBrain> My AI beat Igor's in the end :) 22:13:45 <TrueBrain> +did 22:14:21 <XeryusTC> :o 22:14:31 <XeryusTC> lies 22:14:44 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387C51D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:14:53 <TrueBrain> hmm, my current AI sucks in design :p 22:14:55 <TrueBrain> haha :) 22:14:59 <XeryusTC> hmm 22:15:01 <TrueBrain> but it doesn't matter, I just need it to test functions 22:15:09 <XeryusTC> my AI owns all of your AIs :P 22:15:11 <TrueBrain> and to show that it can be done :) 22:15:18 <TrueBrain> show me :) 22:15:26 <XeryusTC> isnt the regression to test functions too? 22:15:40 <TrueBrain> it just tests that it replies what we expect them 22:15:48 <TrueBrain> in my own AI I test them if they do what I expect them to 22:15:51 <XeryusTC> yes, but it tests ;) 22:16:02 <TrueBrain> so I noticed the loan system is kind of crappy :) 22:16:07 <XeryusTC> :P 22:16:10 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 22:16:21 <TrueBrain> so I noticed sending vehicles to a depot sucks 22:16:21 <XeryusTC> you just need a good way to repay the loans :P 22:16:45 <XeryusTC> like, repaying half of your loan when you hit some kind of number or something 22:16:56 <TrueBrain> best way is: repay loan as much as possible 22:17:01 <TrueBrain> when you want to build something, first estimate the value 22:17:07 <TrueBrain> borrow it, build it 22:17:09 <TrueBrain> repay as much as possible 22:17:42 <TrueBrain> in fact is kind of cheating, as the AI has a much better estimate then a human being will ever have :) 22:17:57 <XeryusTC> well, the AI has always cheated in TT 22:18:05 <TrueBrain> no excuse :) 22:18:14 <XeryusTC> well, you cant break with traditions ;) 22:18:45 <TrueBrain> the truth is that it will always cheat at some level :) 22:18:52 <TrueBrain> just it won't cheat on the level it did in TT :s 22:18:55 <TrueBrain> free terraforming 22:18:55 <TrueBrain> bah 22:19:01 <XeryusTC> :P 22:20:06 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has joined #openttd 22:20:25 <XeryusTC> ah well, i wonder when i can get working on my AI again 22:20:49 <TrueBrain> how about... now? 22:20:50 <XeryusTC> fscking school 22:20:55 <XeryusTC> and other stuff 22:21:05 <XeryusTC> like TRoS and NFO 22:21:41 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D040.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:48 <XeryusTC> and work ofcourse 22:21:49 <TrueBrain> poor poor baby 22:21:53 <TrueBrain> want a cookie? 22:21:55 <XeryusTC> yes! 22:21:59 <XeryusTC> chocolate chip pls :P 22:22:06 <TrueBrain> well, in fact, I have some here 22:22:10 <TrueBrain> come and pick them up :) 22:22:19 <XeryusTC> hmm 22:22:25 <XeryusTC> no trains here anymore 22:22:34 <TrueBrain> I have no idea where you live, so that might be a bit tricky :p 22:22:41 <XeryusTC> so if you live within 15 mins cycling ill come over :P 22:23:10 <Rubidium> Sneek vs Leiden... you must be cycling *very* fast to do that in 15 minutes :) 22:23:16 <TrueBrain> Yup... 22:23:58 <glx> Zuu: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/fs765.diff 22:24:03 <TrueBrain> almost 2 hours with the car 22:24:07 <XeryusTC> well, give me a jet engine 22:24:23 <TrueBrain> which morron goes living in Friesland anyway... 22:24:29 <XeryusTC> my parents 22:24:36 <TrueBrain> poor choice :p 22:24:37 <XeryusTC> because my grandparents did 22:24:41 <TrueBrain> bad excuse 22:24:53 <XeryusTC> and the other people in my family wont even visit you if you dont live in the same street :/ 22:25:06 <XeryusTC> really, they have problems driving 5km for a birthday :/ 22:25:25 <TrueBrain> lol, I do that on my bike 22:25:33 <XeryusTC> yes 22:25:38 <XeryusTC> i do that for school every day 22:25:48 <TrueBrain> I did that for school every day :p 22:25:51 <TrueBrain> those days are long over 22:26:04 <TrueBrain> pff, the AI class-list is getting really big... 22:26:06 <Rubidium> yeah, 500m is max :) 22:26:44 <XeryusTC> Rubidium: you are like my family 22:27:01 <Rubidium> nah, 500m university<->home 22:27:10 <Zuu> Rubidium: Same here :) 22:27:17 <Zuu> glx: Will try.. :) 22:27:27 <TrueBrain> I have to bike like 10 minutes :p 22:27:28 <Rubidium> my university is like 3 hours by public transport from the rest of my family and I visit them fairly regular 22:27:38 <XeryusTC> :o 22:27:41 <Rubidium> *when I'm lucky 22:27:49 <XeryusTC> and it takes you 1.5 hour to get to uni? :P 22:27:51 <SpComb> depending on your definition of home, my school<->home is either 0km or somewhere around 1800km 22:28:03 <Touqen> Is your dorm really home? 22:28:12 <TrueBrain> Touqen: yes 22:28:17 <SpComb> it's my official address of residence 22:28:23 <Rubidium> SpComb: you sleep in the faculty? 22:28:30 <SpComb> boarding school 22:28:31 <TrueBrain> SpComb: hehe, 1800, nice :) For me between 2km and 200km :p 22:28:46 <SpComb> my parents live in germany, and I go to school in Finland 22:29:18 <TrueBrain> long way from home :) 22:29:47 <SpComb> I fly over there three/four times a year 22:29:50 <SpComb> takes me about 12h each way 22:30:00 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:30:10 <Touqen> SpComb: Lots of layovers? 22:30:21 <Rubidium> ghehe of which at least 3 hours is waiting at the airport 22:31:00 <XeryusTC> SpComb: cant you drive that in less time 22:31:05 <SpComb> no, but with the train travel and whatnot to/from the airport that's how long it takes 22:31:19 <SpComb> XeryusTC: 18h to stockholm and then another 16h on the ferry, plus an hour or two in finland 22:31:31 <SpComb> or something along those lines 22:31:36 <Touqen> That's nuts. 22:31:41 <SpComb> takes the better part of two days to drive here 22:31:44 <XeryusTC> :| 22:31:55 <ln-> who spends 16h on a ferry? 22:32:07 <Touqen> What are you ferrying across? 22:32:08 <ln-> stockholm-turku is certainly less.. 22:32:11 <SpComb> well, a passanger ferry... cabins with beds 22:32:21 <SpComb> well, 12h or something, it's a slow ferry 22:33:00 <SpComb> 9h in germany, 2h in denmark, 7h in sweden 22:33:22 <Touqen> Southern finland doesn't have an airport? 22:33:35 <SpComb> sure... I normally fly Helsinki <-> Munich 22:33:39 <yeti_> SpComb: if i may ask: so your parents are finnish but live in germany? 22:33:51 <glx> Zuu: patch is against trunk but shouldn't be hard for you to adapt it ;) 22:33:59 <Zuu> glx: Manually applied your patch on 0.5.1 and it solves the problem. Both with ./openttd -D -g scenario/test.scn and ./openttd -g scenario/test.scn -D. 22:35:43 <SpComb> yeti_: yes 22:44:12 <dihedral> Rubidium: remember talking about the smooth economy stuff a few days back? 22:44:44 <dihedral> Rubidium: check this out: http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/smooth_economy_sz_v2-8_r9758_0-0.patch 22:46:01 <Touqen> The farms grow/shrink in response to being serviced? 22:46:38 <dihedral> not to my knowledge 22:46:59 <dihedral> ah - sorry, yes 22:47:09 <dihedral> more than now at least 22:48:45 <dihedral> it would solve the issue of having low productions never getting an increase (1-4) 22:51:23 <dihedral> explanation in some detail (though not up to date) http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/sz_ind_patch_comments_v2-0.txt 22:52:50 * glx kicks CIA-1 22:52:51 <CIA-1> ow 22:54:59 <dihedral> well - i shall hit the rack 22:55:03 *** dihedral is now known as rack 22:55:09 <rack> *hits himself* 22:55:15 *** rack is now known as dihedral 22:55:19 <dihedral> :-) 22:55:53 <dihedral> good night 22:55:58 <glx> you should have use /me ;) 22:56:07 * dihedral ? 22:56:11 <dihedral> ah 22:56:23 <dihedral> should i do that again - just for the comedy? 22:56:59 *** dihedral is now known as rack 22:57:06 * rack hits himself 22:57:13 *** rack is now known as dihedral 22:57:28 <TrueBrain> and now you get kicked :p 22:57:31 <TrueBrain> that would be ironic :) 22:57:46 <dihedral> lol 22:57:47 <dihedral> yes 22:58:59 <dihedral> anyhow - it is late and i shall go to bed :-) 22:59:10 <TrueBrain> night dihedral :) 22:59:13 <dihedral> night 22:59:17 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-241-154.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 23:00:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9786 /branches/noai/ (13 files in 4 dirs): 23:00:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: NeighbourRoad -> NeighbourRoadCount 23:00:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: move AITileListValuators self-defined checks to AITile so we can call it per tile (instead of only via AITileList) 23:00:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r9785 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix (r942, FS#765): only non dedicated servers can't have 0 players 23:00:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9784 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: remove unused variable. 23:00:41 <Rubidium> hmm... that doesn't look in-order 23:00:43 <Touqen> yawn 23:01:23 <TrueBrain> hehe 23:04:02 <Touqen> It appears the CIA bot has some temporality bugs... 23:04:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9787 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/regression.txt: [NoAI] -Fix r9786: and again, forgot to update regression.txt..... (tnx glx) 23:04:38 *** yeti_ [~yeti@p5493D8DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: 'Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?'] 23:04:39 <TrueBrain> I have CIA on ignore 23:04:51 <Touqen> Yea. It's a bit annoying 23:04:57 <Touqen> It must be torture for more active projects. 23:05:28 <glx> you should be in the channel in a pre release period ;) 23:07:54 <Touqen> heh 23:09:41 <Ailure> meh 23:09:45 <Ailure> you people are weak 23:10:01 <Ailure> bots that reports whenever soemone posts in a forum is lots worse than CIA is ;) 23:10:21 <TrueBrain> I hate those bots in public channels 23:10:36 <Sacro|Laptop> robobot does that in certain channels 23:10:38 <Ailure> I looove them 23:11:01 <Ailure> I notice when stuff hpapens 23:11:05 <Ailure> I have IRC on my other monitor 23:11:29 <TrueBrain> Ailure: it is nice for a side-channel, which people can join to follow those things 23:12:09 <Ailure> well truth is 23:12:15 <Ailure> none truly complains about that bot :p 23:12:27 <Ailure> and it's a rather medium sized community 23:14:07 * Touqen quietly passes up the opportunity for a your mom joke. 23:15:38 * Sacro|Laptop roffles 23:17:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r9788 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_tile.hpp: [NoAI] -Fix r9786: forgot to doxygen comment 1 param 23:19:29 <TrueBrain> k, night all 23:23:47 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, i enjoy the announcements of cia :) 23:26:51 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-46-178.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 23:27:09 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176121003.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 23:47:29 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-166-134.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:58:02 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]