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00:03:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F5CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04:19 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:13:27 <elmex> uhm 00:13:35 <elmex> are pre-signals still neccessary for stations? 00:13:49 <elmex> or does the new pathfinder get it right with the tracks? 00:20:10 <Patrick> I ... don't know 00:21:37 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:36 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has joined #openttd 00:31:36 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:28 *** Sacro^ [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has joined #openttd 00:34:12 *** Sacro^ is now known as Sacro 00:34:30 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has quit [] 00:34:33 <Belugas> pre-signals are maybe not necessary, but usefull. 00:34:47 <Belugas> both normal and pre-signals can do the job, none is "necessary" 00:35:00 <Belugas> and the pathfinder is not the miracle cure, 00:35:08 <Belugas> evenif pbs was still there 00:36:15 <elmex> hmm 00:36:16 <elmex> k 00:41:37 <Touqen> rawr! 00:41:42 <Touqen> >:3 00:52:07 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387C51D.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:15 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8270A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:59:35 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 01:00:15 <Patrick> "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way." 01:01:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B805CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:01:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:03:33 <rane> a train can have multiple engines? 01:04:25 <elmex> yes 01:04:46 <rane> interesting 01:05:05 <rane> obviously more horse power? 01:05:08 <elmex> yep 01:05:32 <rane> there's no advantage on flat? 01:06:00 <Patrick> speeds up faster 01:06:09 <Patrick> so it recovers faster from being slowed by a red signal 01:06:46 <Patrick> and with RA, some trains don't make thier rated top speed if they have too much weight and not enough engines 01:07:03 <rane> RA? 01:10:34 <glx> realistic acceleration 01:30:49 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54b75e5a.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:35:25 * Touqen realistically accelerates rane into a wall. 01:37:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54b75118.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:23 *** Osai^Kendo [~Osai@pD9EB4CC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:45:49 *** Osai^Kendo [~Osai@pD9EB4CC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^Kendo] 02:01:32 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54a3d2d6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:07:37 *** Tron [~tron@84.163.204.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:10:24 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0D0EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:14:09 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57a0e37f.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:25:50 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:30:30 <elmex> damn 02:30:39 <elmex> dageek #2 went offline :-(((( 02:34:43 *** Szandor [~user@host-84-9-15-46.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [] 02:35:20 <Belugas> grrrrrr 02:35:27 <Belugas> i HATE pointers 02:38:46 <Phazorx> ANSI C >> c++ 02:38:51 *** Tefad_ is now known as Tefad 02:45:40 <Belugas> ... pointers in delphi, pointers in c, pointers in c++... 02:45:42 <Belugas> POINTERS! 02:45:53 <Triffid_Hunter> pointers in perl ;) 02:47:17 <Belugas> in batch files!!! 02:54:20 <elmex> http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_bridgedunfoldedcloverjunction.png - could also be effective 02:58:31 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:09 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:01:57 <Phazorx> elmex: not balanced between exiting lanes 03:03:15 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180065157.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:07:46 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065156.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:17:19 *** rane_ [~rane@a91-152-163-231.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 03:17:20 *** rane [~rane@a91-152-163-231.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:30:41 *** eJoJ [~Aim@89.10.21.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:53:00 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180065157.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:55:47 <Touqen> I guess I should go to sleep. Graduation in the morning. 05:44:30 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 05:50:55 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:05:38 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-144-003.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:11:13 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-136-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:11:18 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 06:15:41 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:00:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host44-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:00:37 <Wolf01> hello 07:34:20 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:38:54 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:39:07 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 07:39:14 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 07:57:31 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-142-86-225.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 07:59:43 <peter1138> hi 08:00:10 <Maedhros> hey 08:20:08 <Maedhros> heh, if you stop trains in stations they now say "Stopping, 10 mph" 08:25:32 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 08:25:43 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 08:28:43 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-166-134.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 08:36:24 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:42:22 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:44:41 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 08:50:32 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-166-134.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:51:43 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:52:40 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-232-130.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 08:53:34 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-166-134.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 08:54:12 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:55:35 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:03:52 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:05:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C480.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:06:05 *** RobertGrammig [~Unke@stud241052.studentenheim.uni-tuebingen.de] has joined #openttd 09:06:52 <RobertGrammig> considering how little creativity and effort they require, aircraft give way too much money 09:07:03 <RobertGrammig> is there a patch that addresses this? 09:08:01 <TrueBrain> yeah: max_aircraft=0 09:08:58 <Zuu> RobertGrammig: Map size: 128x64 09:10:08 <Zuu> Actually that is quite a fun map-size to play on the net. (with industry competition allowed) 09:11:35 <Zuu> Cause you don't make too much money so exclusive rights are not a problem. And you have to play tactical as geting bad rating at one of three or four towns have a drastical impact. 09:13:26 <RobertGrammig> how do i enable industry competition allowed? is it a grf? 09:14:09 <XeryusTC> no 09:14:10 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:14:23 <XeryusTC> people just dont whine when you connect one of "their" industries to your network 09:15:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, it is a "politeness" rule, that may or may not be in the server's multiplayer rules 09:17:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Multiplayer_Rules 09:18:23 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 09:19:57 <RobertGrammig> ok sounds fun... never played multiplayer how long does an average session take? 09:20:11 <RobertGrammig> on such a small map with a moderate time span 09:20:19 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:20:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> until you get bored, or fall asleep :) 09:22:50 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 09:29:42 <setrodox> RobertGrammig, on my server usually a week ; 09:29:43 <setrodox> ;) 09:32:50 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:46:20 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-220-073.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:47:19 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 09:50:46 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 09:50:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 09:51:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9789 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix (r9770): vehicles didn't get unloaded when 'full load' was specified and the vehicle was already full when it entered. 09:53:17 <lolman> :o an orudge 09:54:40 <Patrick> come for revision 10,000 :) 09:57:24 <Rubidium> we've already past that ;) 09:57:29 <Rubidium> s/v/r/ 09:57:54 <lolman> Rubidium, think he means the 10,000th revision since the move to SVN :) 09:58:09 <Rubidium> @openttd log 1 09:58:19 <Rubidium> !openttd log 1 09:58:20 <_42_> Rubidium: r1 log: Import of revision 975 of old (crashed) SVN 09:58:30 <Rubidium> !calc 9789 + 975 09:58:30 <_42_> Rubidium: 10764; 09:58:35 <lolman> Okay...move to newer SVN :P 09:59:41 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C51D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:59:41 <Patrick> yeah, the real 10,000 passed a while ago 10:00:26 <peter1138> heh 10:05:43 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-144-003.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:31 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 10:14:04 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:42:14 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:47:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9790 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: 10:47:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: [NewGRF] Skip action 1 sprites in all stages except activation. 10:47:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: This also cleans up some special-case handling of the sprites. Actions 1 and 2 10:47:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: are now not considered unsafe, as an Action 3 (which is unsafe) is required for 10:47:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: them. 10:47:56 <peter1138> them! 10:50:40 <hylje> them. 10:51:13 <Ammler> will this ever come to trunk? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=19311 (45° rotated rectangle clearing / leveling) 10:52:21 <Maedhros> not with that giant macro in it, no 10:53:28 <Ammler> the idea isn't possible with this macro? 10:54:00 *** RobertGrammig [~Unke@stud241052.studentenheim.uni-tuebingen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:15 *** eJoJ [~Aim@89.10.21.47] has joined #openttd 10:54:21 <Maedhros> no, the idea might come to trunk, but without a lot of cleaning up, that patch won't ;) 10:55:59 <peter1138> that's the old patch 10:56:14 <peter1138> oh, the new one's at the bottom 10:56:23 <peter1138> hmm, still the macro :/ 10:57:31 <Ammler> seems the forum did lock the wrong thread... 10:58:15 <peter1138> the guy requested it or something 10:59:27 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065157.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:00:32 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-220-073.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 11:09:32 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has joined #openttd 11:31:44 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:46 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-155-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:36:25 *** Nigel_ is now known as Nigel 11:47:01 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:57:34 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:06:57 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:07:41 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:16:22 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has joined #openttd 12:17:44 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 12:19:00 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:21:29 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:21:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:24:00 *** Szandor [~user@host-84-9-15-46.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 12:24:41 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:42:10 <rane_> Sid Meier's Railroads! any good? 12:42:30 <Wolf01> aaaaargh! 12:43:01 <hylje> choo choo 12:43:58 <Wolf01> i've just seen a video of a rail tamper machine at work, nice 12:50:47 <elmex> rail tamper? 12:51:59 <Wolf01> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37SiIuaXBVc 12:54:18 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:28 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:55:12 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 12:55:23 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:23 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 12:56:53 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has joined #openttd 12:58:09 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:59:22 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C51D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:59:42 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C51D.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:50 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 13:06:45 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:06 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:10:04 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:13:38 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:21 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has joined #openttd 13:33:52 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-166-134.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:53 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-48-84.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 13:56:23 *** RobertGrammig [~Unke@vpn0510.extern.uni-tuebingen.de] has joined #openttd 13:58:19 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-232-130.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:43 <RobertGrammig> i like programming and got an average background in other languages... how easy or difficult is it to get into writing own patches for openttd if I never did any c++ programming before? 14:00:02 <peter1138> depends on the scope of the patch :p 14:00:25 <rane_> openttd is c, right? 14:00:53 <peter1138> no 14:01:01 <rane_> oh, read that somewhere 14:01:45 <elmex> it is mostly C code but i've also seen some parts using C++ features 14:03:31 *** setrodox [setrodox@85-126-38-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 14:04:41 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-224-123.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 14:05:22 <Patrick> openttd was entirely C until an indeterminate number of months ago 14:05:32 <Patrick> some (most?) new development is done in C++ 14:05:55 <glx> c++ is used where it's useful 14:06:38 <glx> but it's mainly C compiled as C++ 14:13:43 <eJoJ> pfft asm ftw :P 14:13:57 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:14:41 <peter1138> eJoJ: go ahead... ttdpatch source is fun :D 14:14:54 <eJoJ> hehe i stick to 4kintro 14:15:42 <eJoJ> 1536 byte now uncompressed, first time using direct3d 14:18:13 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:27 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:06 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C51D.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 14:32:15 *** RobertGrammig [~Unke@vpn0510.extern.uni-tuebingen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:06 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 14:46:55 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has joined #openttd 14:47:19 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has quit [] 14:52:35 *** michi_cc [e08e3e2c8c@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Quit: michi_cc] 14:56:58 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has joined #openttd 14:57:07 *** michi_cc [b6260b4512@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 14:57:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 15:16:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B805CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 15:25:45 <Patrick> yo, any french-speakers here? 15:25:56 <Patrick> I'm just wondering about the relative merits of salut vs. bonjour 15:26:12 <Patrick> they crudely mean the same thing but I'm wondering about nuances 15:26:23 <glx> salut is more familiar 15:28:42 <Patrick> cool 15:29:02 <Patrick> I'm writing a "hello, world" but it's such an overused phrase 15:29:05 <Patrick> salut, monde 15:32:50 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@87.102.3.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:21 <Cipri> Patrick: Kinda like Hello vs Goodday. 15:38:08 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 15:39:14 <Maedhros> peter1138: are you sure action D special variable 0B is right? shouldn't it be _patches.starting_year not _cur_year? 15:39:27 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:50:14 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:50:17 <glx> Maedhros: I think you're right 16:09:18 <Wolf01> great, i've just seen that town road layouts patch was added to the trunk 16:13:50 <Biff> town road layouts? 16:14:26 *** Maedhros_ [~jc@host86-142-85-91.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:18:57 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-142-86-225.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:10 <peter1138> Maedhros_: hmm? 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17:24:47 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 17:25:45 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:26:48 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:57 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:34:23 <Cipri> Phazorx: Nope :( I've requested this already too, but it was too insecure. 17:34:43 <Phazorx> insecure? 17:35:32 <Cipri> yeah, it'd be visible on ps, or in your shellhistory, etc... 17:39:15 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:45:46 <Phazorx> ps is a problem i guess 17:46:20 <Phazorx> but if one you do not trust has access to your box - you have problems larger than your game password 17:46:45 <Sacro> Phazorx: not so sure, quite a lot of people share servers 17:47:28 <Phazorx> is there a pass param in config ? 17:47:48 <glx> server password is in cfg yes 17:48:16 <Phazorx> i mean client settings 17:48:26 <Phazorx> i want to have full auto script for SB 17:48:44 <Phazorx> sed'ing config is not that hard if there is a place to put the pass there 17:48:58 <glx> company passwords are stored in ram onl 17:49:02 <glx> +y 17:49:59 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:18 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:32:53 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41:03 <peter1138> bing bong 18:41:12 <mggrant> ping pong 18:51:58 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-115-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:53:14 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:36 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:53:57 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:57:48 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-155-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:53 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:59:49 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-115-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:02:37 <Wolf01> lalalaaa 19:10:44 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:10:49 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 19:25:26 <ln-> http://europa.eu/abc/european_countries/languages/polish/index_en.htm?_pl 19:26:48 <peter1138> eek, forrin 19:35:16 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Aqualung, a great music player for gnu/linux: http://aqualung.sourceforge.net/ **SPAM WARNING**] 19:38:39 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:48:20 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:14 *** Apocalipsys [Apoca@190.156.93.103] has joined #openttd 19:56:10 <Ailure> oh god 19:56:19 <Ailure> I have lots of folders starting with ottd on my deskop 19:56:19 <peter1138> what? 19:56:23 <peter1138> hehe 19:56:25 <Ailure> I figure I need to clean up one of thoose days 19:56:31 <Ailure> stupid nightlies ;P 19:56:57 <peter1138> i appear to have 201 newgrfs... 19:57:00 <peter1138> heh 19:57:05 <peter1138> it's easier with svn 19:57:10 <peter1138> just update to whatever, using one dir 19:58:02 <Ailure> You still need to compile 19:58:48 <peter1138> not hard 19:58:54 <peter1138> just a make 19:59:07 <Ailure> I have compilers and stuff 19:59:09 <Ailure> I do it sometimes xD 20:01:57 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:01:57 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:53 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: iPandaMojo] 20:06:10 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:28 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 20:07:16 * HMage has just learned that he can't install MSVS6 after he had installed msvs2005, even after uninstall of latter 20:08:01 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 20:09:22 <hylje> visual studio breaks your windows 20:09:36 <SpComb> breaks? You mean enhances 20:09:51 <SpComb> hylje: guess what... a guy from ohio has made three commits to the spbot svn repo today 20:10:23 <HMage> msvs6 doesn't, but I've become sure 2002 and newer does. 20:10:36 <hylje> SpComb: unpossible 20:10:47 <SpComb> hylje: very possible. http://spbot2.marttila.de/timeline 20:10:54 <hylje> SpComb: i have an undercover python project too 20:10:59 <SpComb> undercover? 20:11:08 <hylje> its not so public 20:11:17 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:11:19 <SpComb> SpBotII is quite public 20:11:22 <hylje> yes 20:11:29 <hylje> and to get a svn tracker 20:11:33 <hylje> i used ruby ^_^ 20:11:36 *** SpBot [terom@zapotekII.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 20:11:53 <SpComb> ...continue conversations as normal 20:13:31 <SpComb> http://zapotekii.paivola.fi:8185/oftc-ottd <-- for whoever it was that commented how my logs site is uglier than that other one 20:13:43 <SpComb> I'm working on a script to transferr my irssi logs into the db as well 20:13:59 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.78] has joined #openttd 20:14:39 <UndernotBuilder> question: which feature is the most near to be completed? 20:14:44 <SpComb> and ironing out the bugs... when it's, uh, bug-free, I'll deploy it :P 20:15:21 <UndernotBuilder> I mean the branches/newindustries ones 20:15:32 <hylje> heheh 20:15:33 <UndernotBuilder> !openttd commit 10000 20:15:41 <UndernotBuilder> not yet released :( 20:15:50 <elmex> somehow the music doesnt work -/ 20:15:51 <elmex> ;-/ 20:16:05 <UndernotBuilder> !openttd commit 9638 20:16:07 <_42_> Commit by peter1138 :: r9638 /trunk/src/ (6 files) (2007-04-15 16:20:35 UTC) 20:16:09 <_42_> -Feature: Increase cargo types from 12 to 32 and enable newcargo flag in NewGRF loader. 20:16:20 <UndernotBuilder> I write it correctly :S 20:16:29 <elmex> is this the right place to put the music: http://www.ta-sa.org/files/txt/8760c5177c3c55aa58a3055aeeab3d7a.txt ? 20:17:15 <UndernotBuilder> !openttd commit 9900 20:17:20 <Sacro> !openttd commit 1 20:17:22 <_42_> Commit by truelight :: r1 /trunk/ (200 files in 10 dirs) (2004-08-09 17:04:08 UTC) 20:17:22 <UndernotBuilder> neither that 20:17:24 <_42_> Import of revision 975 of old (crashed) SVN 20:17:27 <Maedhros> eep 20:17:32 <UndernotBuilder> !openttd commit 9850 20:17:40 <Maedhros> elmex: please tell me you're not running openttd as root ;) 20:18:08 <elmex> lets not get into the dont-work-as-root discussion 20:18:19 <UndernotBuilder> how I say to the bot for giving me the latest revision commited? 20:18:21 <ln-> let's yes 20:19:02 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.78] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 20:19:43 <ln-> elmex: why are you being root? 20:20:33 <elmex> because i'm the only user of my system and want access to everything without su and sudo, and i know what i am doing 20:21:43 <Patrick> yeah, I was naieve enough to say that once 20:21:51 <Patrick> then I had my first reinstall 20:21:54 <SpComb> so instead you open up your entire kernel to any trivial buffer overflow that exists? 20:22:12 <Patrick> SpComb: in all fairness, that's not his main concern 20:22:17 <Rubidium> how usefull, people asking questions and leaving within a minute... 20:22:20 <SpComb> accidental destruction? 20:22:20 <Patrick> clearly he doesn't care about security anyway 20:22:32 <elmex> what is the worst thing that could happen to me: data loss of my homedir. can that happen as any user? answer: "yes" 20:23:06 <Patrick> it opens the door to a lot more frustrating annoyances 20:23:07 <elmex> for accidental deletion i have regular backups 20:23:13 <Patrick> like, oops i accidentally rm'd /usr 20:23:17 <SpComb> backups on what machine? 20:23:31 <Patrick> do you delete over your old backups? you could screw something up without realising it 20:23:32 <elmex> i've never deleted my drive accidentally in the last 10 years 20:23:41 <Patrick> you're stubborn. 20:23:44 <Patrick> it's amusing 20:23:44 <elmex> SpComb: a seperate machine 20:23:50 <valhallasw> only on purpose elmex? ;) 20:23:58 <Patrick> you know when you see people who absolutely swear blind that they're right and better 20:24:11 <Patrick> and you know with complete certainty that they're just wrong 20:24:12 <valhallasw> or only other peoples drives? *grin* 20:24:27 <Patrick> nothing we say can change his mind, so let's just hope it all fucks up sooner rather than later 20:24:41 <elmex> yes 20:24:45 <SpComb> well, we could mention things like nopasswd sudo that would be an improvement 20:24:55 <ln-> 23:22 < elmex> what is the worst thing that could happen to me: data loss of my homedir. <--- that's not the worst thing. 20:25:02 <elmex> ln-: what is? 20:25:09 <SpComb> is this machine connected to the internet? 20:25:23 <elmex> trough a router, yes 20:25:27 <SpComb> guessing it is as you have openttd on it 20:25:39 <ln-> elmex: you run a random program downloaded from the net, and it installs some kind of a hidden rootkit on your computer. 20:25:53 <Rubidium> elmex: corrupting the data in your homedir slowly, so you won't notice it till it is to late (i.e. the backup is already made and the previous backup got lost) 20:25:55 <SpComb> spam bot, amonst other things 20:26:10 <elmex> Rubidium: that can happen as any user, can't it? 20:26:28 <SpComb> rootkits? Not so much 20:26:32 <ln-> elmex: you don't know anything about it, but your computer can be used to relay spam, server porn or a intermediate point for attacks to other computers. 20:26:39 <Rubidium> well, www-data, mailserver, sql server etc. do not have write access in my homedir 20:26:54 <elmex> ln-: you dont have to be root to send spam 20:27:15 <ln-> elmex: i know. but hiding is a lot easier with root access. 20:27:24 <SpComb> not being root makes it possible to remove any such programs 20:27:41 <SpComb> if you run malicious code as root, you're screwed. Reformat 20:28:16 <elmex> you are as screwed if you run it as user and it kills your precious data files 20:28:24 <elmex> or sends .ssh to somewhere else 20:28:46 <ln-> that's what backups are for. 20:29:55 <glx> how another user can kill your data files? 20:30:01 <elmex> SpComb: if your securiy was compromised you can't be sure that the intruder didn't get root access 20:31:17 * SpComb doesn't want to continue this argument anymore 20:31:32 <elmex> it's really interesting how other people think what i should dow ith my computer 20:32:31 <ln-> elmex: that's because we already get enough spam. 20:32:35 <elmex> so, what about the music fiels. do they go directly into openttd-0.5.1/gm/ or openttd-0.5.1/data/gm/ ? 20:32:35 <ln-> we don't want more. 20:32:53 <glx> openttd-0.5.1/gm/ 20:32:54 <elmex> ln-: you can already send spam as other user. even as www-user 20:33:10 <glx> data is for grfs and intro 20:33:18 <glx> and sound 20:33:21 <ln-> /root/openttd-0.5.1/gm/, that is. 20:33:21 <elmex> k 20:33:39 <Rubidium> but as 'normal' user you cannot make the local server relay mail coming from the internet 20:34:01 <elmex> ? 20:34:46 <Rubidium> non-root users cannot edit the configuration of your mailserver and restart the mailserver 20:35:07 <elmex> i don't retrieve mail via smtp 20:35:12 <elmex> i only send via smtp 20:35:29 <ln-> normal users cannot create a hundred additional user accounts on your computer. 20:35:32 <Rubidium> but a root user can make you accept mail and relay 20:35:55 <Patrick> for a start, talking about how you're safe running as root on a public IRC channel will only make it more likely that someone will root you for fun and profit 20:36:11 <Patrick> if nothing because you sound like a smarmy git who deserves it 20:36:16 <Patrick> no offense. 20:38:01 <elmex> Rubidium: and so they can send mail from my mail-address, ok 20:38:34 <elmex> Rubidium: they could also just communicate directly with the relay my lcoal relay is talking to via socket 20:38:58 <elmex> would be easier than getting access to my local smtp server which only sends everything to a relay 20:39:10 *** Apocalipsys [Apoca@190.156.93.103] has left #openttd [] 20:39:26 <Rubidium> elmex: that relay server is hopefully password protected and such 20:40:10 <Patrick> this is all buggering around with semantics and what-ifs. Point is, if you run many many programs as root, that's not a better thing than running a handful 20:40:16 <Rubidium> furthermore when they turn off the logs on your computer, you can never prove that you didn't send it. The relay server you are using now has (most likely) logging turned on. 20:40:19 <Patrick> more lines of code in which might exist an exploit 20:40:50 <elmex> yes, i agree with that 20:41:29 <Patrick> zero-day firefox bug. It could happen. 20:41:32 <elmex> hm, the music won't play 20:41:48 <Patrick> the hackers call for the minions to report in. 500,000 windows boxes, they get spam relay $whatever 20:41:56 <Patrick> 1,000 linux users, they get ignored 20:41:56 <ln-> devs, let me propose a patch: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/national_security.diff 20:42:04 <Patrick> 20 linux roots, they get rootkitted 20:42:38 <Patrick> hahah 20:42:38 <Rubidium> elmex: do you have a midi player, like timidity installed? 20:42:43 <elmex> hmm 20:42:55 <elmex> i guess not 20:42:59 <Patrick> yeah, I do the same thing in one of my programs, I have a config file which is actually just python that gets executed 20:42:59 <eJoJ> Automatic pause on start also pauses scenario editor 20:43:07 <Patrick> if the file is world writeable the program refuses to start 20:44:52 <elmex> Rubidium: ah, ok, that was it 20:44:55 <elmex> works now 20:44:58 <elmex> thanks 20:45:24 <Rubidium> don't cry when OpenTTD lags on your computer 20:45:25 <elmex> Patrick: ok ok, by time i will reinstall my setup and run every program as seperat user. irc, firefox, and so on 20:45:37 <Rubidium> because timidity uses way too much resources 20:45:47 <elmex> 12% CPU 20:45:49 <elmex> it's ok 20:45:50 <Patrick> or, you know, you could have a single non-root user you run your programs as. 20:45:56 <elmex> ah ~20% 20:45:56 <Patrick> call it, say, I dunno, "elmex" 20:46:14 <elmex> ;-) 20:46:23 <Patrick> no need to fiddle around 20:46:44 <Patrick> just adduser, copy /root to /home/elmex and recursively chown 20:46:51 <Patrick> et voila 20:47:00 <elmex> and nothing has changed :) 20:47:18 <elmex> except that i have to typ su or sudo to access my system 20:47:43 <ln-> no you don't 20:47:48 <glx> you then need to find 2 passwords :) 20:47:52 <elmex> if someone hacks me while i'm working as user 'elmex' i still can't be sure that there is no rootkit 20:48:05 <hylje> well 20:48:08 <elmex> and he can still install keyloggers 20:48:14 <hylje> the infiltrator needs to trick you once more 20:48:22 <hylje> or use an local exploit 20:48:28 <elmex> right 20:48:34 <Patrick> elmex: you have a windows mentality 20:48:40 <Patrick> it's not "your" system 20:48:46 <Patrick> only a few operations require root to happen 20:48:47 <elmex> not? :) 20:48:51 <Patrick> install or remove software 20:49:00 <elmex> i've bought it, installed it and i'm the only one using it :) 20:49:20 <Patrick> you have this idea stuck in your head that everything, like printing or scanning 20:49:23 <Patrick> or whatever 20:49:26 <Patrick> needs root 20:49:28 <Patrick> and that's BS 20:49:29 <glx> you can install software as non-root, but they are in your home and only for you 20:49:39 <elmex> Patrick: i don't have that 20:49:43 <Patrick> name some things you need root to do every day and I'll tell you how you're wrong. 20:51:23 <elmex> Patrick: i don't "need" root. but it eases some things. eg when developing programs i'm regularily installing it after each change. - it boils down to: i don't want to type sudo or su for anything i need some more access too. 20:52:16 <ln-> why would you need to install it after each change? 20:52:18 <glx> sudo make install is too much for you? 20:52:23 <elmex> only because i don't 'need' to be root doesn't mean i don't have to 20:52:25 <Rubidium> elmex: make it install in /usr/local 20:52:30 <elmex> glx: yes 20:52:34 <ln-> devs, ping? 20:53:13 <Maedhros> there are at least three of us here; you might as well just ask... 20:53:42 <Zuu> Rubidium: Why not simply /home/elmex/usr/ where he have write access? 20:53:44 <ln-> comments about this: 23:41 < ln-> devs, let me propose a patch: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/national_security.diff 20:54:15 <elmex> why not simply /usr/ when i have root access? 20:55:07 <Zuu> elmex: Why do you need to install in /usr/, can't you just install elsewhere where you have write access as local user? 20:55:15 <glx> can't your program run without installing elmex ? 20:55:45 <elmex> it can 20:56:00 <elmex> ok, i dont need to be root 20:56:03 <elmex> so what? 20:56:06 <Maedhros> ln-: it's not up to us to enforce non-root usage programmatically, imho 20:56:11 <Rubidium> ln-: wouldn't solve the issue 20:56:40 <elmex> enforcing non-root usage is the most broken 'feature' that is in programs 20:56:59 <elmex> if someone wants to start something as root you can assume he knows what he is doing 20:57:17 <Rubidium> you can't 20:57:20 <glx> many users don't know what they are doing 20:57:42 <elmex> glx: thats why most linux distributions give you a user account per default 20:57:52 <Rubidium> elmex: what you're saying is that when you login into your Windows system as Administrator you actually know what you're doing. 20:58:01 <elmex> Rubidium: no 20:58:10 <ln-> Maedhros: well, users that really know what they are doing could comment out the line, but the ones who just don't know better, would be prevented from doing something stupid. 20:58:21 <glx> you can't do anything as user in windows ;) 20:58:22 <elmex> Rubidium: i'm saying that when i'm logging into my linux box as root or do 'sudo' or 'su' - then i know waht i am doing 20:58:46 <Rubidium> elmex: you didn't say that 20:58:55 <elmex> Rubidium: i didn't mention windows 20:59:04 <elmex> Rubidium: and we were talking about root and linux 20:59:27 <Rubidium> so, what's conceptually different between linux & windows and root & administrator? 21:00:48 <eJoJ> elmex : thought about open a terminal as root? that way you don't have to su/sudo everything do you? 21:01:25 <elmex> i guess that windows is different from linux. but either way: logging in as admin/root IMO means that one knows what he is doing. at least programs should assume that, ortherwise the users that know what they are doing are obstructed and prevented from doing things 21:01:53 <ln-> elmex: i think you are a living and walking counter-example of your own claim. 21:01:57 <elmex> eJoJ: oh, i'm opening my temrinals as root, yes 21:02:19 <elmex> ln-: i don't think so 21:02:23 <eJoJ> then what is the problem with running the rest as normal user? 21:02:46 <elmex> none i guess 21:05:49 <elmex> i'm have been taking the risks of working as root consciously - but thanks for advising me in fundamental security issues 21:11:07 <eJoJ> What is the current max limit on resolution for ottd? 21:11:34 <Rubidium> 2048x1200 or something like that 21:12:21 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl5402B3F7.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [] 21:12:56 <eJoJ> posible to change localy it localy without much problem and still play on servers with different setting? 21:15:38 <Rubidium> iirc changing that could cause desyncs 21:17:02 <eJoJ> Guess I have to try to find out 21:43:39 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45:49 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:46:44 <peter1138> pompiedom 21:48:15 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 21:48:28 * Sacro shouts "LETS GO" and opens the hatch 21:50:20 <Rubidium> Red Sox? 21:51:07 <Sacro> PBIMOTTD? 21:51:52 <Rubidium> TooLongAcronymException ;) 21:52:17 <Sacro> OooohCamelCase 21:54:45 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:52 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:14:14 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-108-59-27.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:14:21 <TheJosh> Hey all 22:16:00 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-108-59-27.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 22:16:17 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:12 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:27:26 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:25 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:33:00 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has left #openttd [Your eyes grow heavy.. you grow very sleepy..... zzzz...] 22:48:47 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:39 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-186-208.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:05:30 <Ailure> heh 23:05:38 <Ailure> it would be nice if the scenario editor could be used over multiplayer 23:08:08 <rane_> "code it ;)" would be the typical answer here 23:10:43 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-48-84.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:01 <Belugas> [17:45] <peter1138> pompiedom <--- not you too :( 23:16:05 <Belugas> booh 23:16:27 <Belugas> [19:04] <Ailure> it would be nice if the scenario editor could be used over multiplayer 23:16:28 <Belugas> [ 23:16:42 <Belugas> let's construct a scenario online ?? 23:16:56 <Belugas> otherwise, i don't see benefit of it 23:19:30 <Ailure> yeah 23:19:37 <Ailure> Sometimes I wonder how nice it would be if like 23:19:48 <Ailure> four people could work on a scenario at the same time :p 23:19:58 <Ailure> Of course it kinda requires that they know each other quite well or xD 23:20:07 <Ailure> Or at least have trust 23:22:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r9791 /trunk/src/ (openttd.h variables.h): -Fix (r9779, FS#766): add TownLayoutByte to correctly save town layout value 23:36:06 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:36:06 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:41 *** setrodox_ [setrodox@85-126-38-6.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: <:o] 23:41:48 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-55.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:27 <Wolf01> 'night 23:43:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host44-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:46:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C480.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:53:52 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-55.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 23:56:14 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 23:59:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C480.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]